The Legend of Boggy Creek (Podcast/Discussion with special guests the Monster Movie Happy Hour)

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello, and welcome to Castle of Horror, the show dedicated
to horror movies in awesome thisess we are a feed
Spot top one hundred horror podcast. This week we have
a look at the nineteen seventy two film The Legend
of Boggy Creek. This is episode four hundred and sixty six.
Bear in mind if you haven't seen today's movie, we're
going to be talking about it from the perspective of

(00:28):
horror fans who have seen it. So warning spoilers ahead.
From Denver, Colorado, I'm your host, Jason Henderson, publisher at
Castle Bridge Media, joined by Halloween Man creator with a
trade paperback coming out in just a couple of weeks.
Drew Edwards say.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Hello, Drew, he always travels the creeks.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
I love that. I've been singing Hey, Travis Crabtree all day.
And leading immigration attorney Juligusmond say hello.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Hello, but I want to hear you actually sing the crab.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I love that. Joining us from the Monster movie Happy Hour,
we are so delighted to have back. Historical book illustrator
David Geister say hello, Hello, Hello, my friend. Historian Mary
Chalmlins say hello.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Hi, Hello, I'm happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
I am so happy to see you again. And historian
raconteur cocktail Wizards got cheesebros say hello, my friend. Good evening.
All right, everybody, this is such a cool choice. The
Legend of Boggy Creek is a nineteen seventy two American
docu drama horror film about the falc Monster, a bigfoot

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like cryptid reportedly seen in and around falk, Arkansas since
the nineteen forties. The film combined staged interviews with local
residents who claim to have encountered the creature and reenactments
of these encounters. Directed by producer Charles B. Pierce Sec,
who's secured and funding from a local trucking company, hired
high school students to help complete the film made the

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budget on apparently one hundred and sixty thousand dollars. It
was a huge, huge phenomenon when this came out in
seventy two, and as of twenty nineteen, there's a remastered version.
I'm not sure if that's the one that I saw,
but it was, you know, re released by the original
director's daughter, Pamela Pierce Barcelow. So let's get our opening

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thoughts and we'll try to keep them brief because there's
a lot of us, and I'll just skip myself. So
we'll go Drew, Mary, Scott and no no no, no,
no no, no no no, no one of our guests first.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Let's not be ghosh.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
But okay, I apologize. Well, Mary, you were going to
be next, So Barry, I know, I don't know if
you were planning on speaking first, but here laid on me.
I don't know if you've ever seen this movie before.
I don't know if you're a bull of Bigfoot raconteur.
So what are your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Well, I so I had never seen this movie before,
but I had heard the other UH and I think
I had seen a very long time ago other film
that Charles B. Pierce directed, which is the Town that
Dreaded Sundown. But I had never seen this movie. Really
didn't know what it was. I had no expectations. I
had really hadn't even heard heard much about it because
I am not nearly as much of a Bigfoot UH

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enthusiast as my dear fellow podcasters Dave and Scott, although
we have there has been rumors of sightings at Bigfoot
at Fort Snellling, So David Scott can talk about that sometime.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
I loved it.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
It was it was very what I was thinking about
the entire time is the is.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
This is final?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Tap?

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Wow? Why because he why? Because he's constantly being fightened away?
Like what's the what's the well?

Speaker 4 (03:50):
I think when I when I first when I first started,
because it's.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
Sort of a like a documentary drama sort of thing,
I was wondering, like I really thought that that's I
wanted think that it was going to be sort of
this sort of spoof documentary, and it turned into something
completely different. It was really really interesting to see how
scary and intense this gout. And also I love that
there's it explored part of the Bigfoot myth that exists

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in a place that I would never have never have
heard about, probably, but interesting to see that every every
region has its own sort of Bigfoot, which you know,
does make me wonder is it real?

Speaker 1 (04:31):
David? What would you add to that?

Speaker 6 (04:33):
So many thoughts, but I'm going to boil them down
to this. I'm a relative late comer to the legend
of Boggie Creek, certainly familiar with the poster and the
title and the concept of the movie, but did not
actually see it until the last drive in with Joe,
Bob Briggs and Dre I see the male girl. I
believe they had an episode, but probably just as importantly,

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they had a little bit where they brought a camel
with them on the road, so to speak, and they
headed into the waters near Folk trying to find the monster.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Were you serious?

Speaker 6 (05:06):
Unfortunately did not find a monster, but we got to
see Joe Bob trying to tell Darcy paddle a canoe,
and it was a lot of fun. No, here's the
rather ironic thing. I'm actually familiar with the director, producer,
writer's work, not from this movie but from a loon
Gem from nineteen seventy eight, a personal favorite of mine
and Scott Cheeseboro. And yes, that's the Norseman starring Lee

(05:30):
Majors TV's six Million Dollar Man as a Viking who
travels from America to rescue his father from Indians. And
it has that's right, Cornell Wild of Gargoyle's fame, although
he was certainly famous for many other things before that,
and Jack Elam as a mystic somebody who is people
could never see his face except in the movie. You

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can constantly see his face, so I'm familiar with but
Jack Pierce's very interesting look at sor we could do
a whole episode just in that on the Vikings traveling
during North America, and if you haven't seen it, please do,
but also don't blame me. So yeah, but I am
very curious to hear what everybody else has to say
about the Legend of Boggy Creek. I will say this,

(06:13):
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I really did.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
All right amongst the last, but not least of our
of our guests. Scott. By the way, I am so
happy that you guys are on again. Some of my
favorite episodes that we've ever done have been crossover episodes
with the monster movie Happy Hour. I started listening to
you guys during COVID and just instantly sort of fell
in love with with Well, no, it was before COVID
because we started hanging out together during COVID. It's the

(06:38):
weirdest thing. Wow, it's all so long ago, okay, anyway,
doesn't it? Yes, yes, back before before you know, Twitter
became a toxic whatever the hell it is now Hill together, Scott,
my friend, what are your opening thoughts Legend of Boggie Creek?

Speaker 7 (07:00):
Well, I'm a I'm the oldest here.

Speaker 8 (07:03):
I assume, yes I am, and I can remember, as
with lots of things of this era, I can remember
seeing three previews or trailers for this on television, and
I was very enamored with it. And my father, who
usually indulged me on things like this, his response was

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if it had been something I will say conversely, if
it had been something about UFOs or ancient aliens, he
would have been much more inclined to be positive. But
when I was like, oh, Dad, let's go see this,
he was like, no, it's just it's a waste of time.
So so, having I have seen it before although it

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was decades ago, and having rewatched it, it's it's I'm
somewhat amazed that, you know, like we talk about on
our show about filmmakers and how we applaud them even
if the finished product isn't necessary csarly polished and a
well oiled machine, I am somewhat impressed with the backstory

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on how this was made and put together, and and
the fact that most of these people in this movie
are either the actual people involved or locals that have
just been you know, hired to be actors. And it shows,
I would say. But on the other hand, it's the
movie compared to a lot of other movies that came

(08:29):
from major studios or studio productions. It's it's better than that,
better than some of those examples.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
Yeah, I will say, Scott, just to jump in really quick.
One of the things that I loved about this movie,
and I think a lot of it is because they
were hiring locals. It had even though it wasn't the
most polished thing, it had a ring of truth to
it that really makes you believe in the in the creature.
And I think it didn't you know, I know that
there were ethical dilemmas I think was the best way

(08:59):
to to describe it about how the locals were treated
by the film crew. But still it's really interesting and
it really does blur the line between fiction, film and documentary,
and it's it's in this sort of weird, nebulous space
that I that I can't quite get a beat on.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
But I really like it.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Wonderful. Thank you very much. Uh, Drew, you're I thought
that you were the biggest Bigfoot fan, but apparently Scott
and David are also huge Bigfoot fans. But Drew laid
on me, why this movie, Why is it actually go
where you want to go?

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Well, you know, I've always been into weird stuff, no
shock there, paranormal phenomena, cryptozoology, dinosaurs. Obviously, everybody knows who
listens to this podcast knows that I'm obsessed with dinosaurs.
But uh, you know this movie. You know, when I

(09:54):
was a kid, we would watch reruns of of In
Search Of with Leonard Memoy. I didn't know they were reruns,
but you know, so that that kind of hit a
big spark as far as this came, you know, this
kind of thing. But then eventually my brothers and I
we came across this movie at the local video store,

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as we often did, and unlike all the paranormal TV
shows that we were coming across on cable or late
night TV, this movie terrified me because it looks even
though this is Arkansas and I'm in Texas, this looks
so much like around where I grew up. So it

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really you know, Mary was talking about the authenticity, but
like this felt like it could be happening in my backyard.
So there was a good two or three years where
I thought this was like and I realize now as
an adult, you know, it's deficiencies in certain areas, But
there was a good two or three years when I
was a child where I thought this was the scariest

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movie on the planet. Like I just just the last
part of it where the family is kind of under
siege in their house and the monster is like trying
to get into the house with them. That was gripping
stuff to me as a kid. Now I really think
that this is, you know, as far as like a

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B movie or a drive in movie, or whatever you
want to call it. It's it's interesting that the influence
of this film has sort of outsized. If I say craftsmanship,
it sounds snide, and I don't mean it that way,
but this movie has had a lot, you know, you

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see a lot of what became the found footage genre
in this, you know, and it's it's still a movie
that gets talked about a lot. And in fact, I
watched a documentary from just a few years ago that
heavily that was about falc in the the More behind
the Boggy Creek Monster. But of course they had to

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talk about this movie pretty in depth just to even
touch on the topic. And then how this movie sort
of kickstarted what they were referring to as Bigfoot Mania
in the nineteen seventies. And you know, I saw this
movie in the eighties. Obviously that's not when it came

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right out, but still close enough that this, like I said,
this movie just felt very true. Like the people looked
like the sort of people that I grew up around.
The environment looked like the environment that I grew up around.
So this is this was just gripping stuff. And it's
weird that, you know, it scared me so much as
a kid, because now it's like a comfort food movie,

(12:48):
Like it's a movie I put on just to kind
of chill, like I you know, I watched it twice
in the last week, and you know, I feel like
both times like I was like, this is time well spent.
So I don't know, it's just it's just a it's
just a fun movie. I don't know, Like I I can't.
I don't know if you would react the same if

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you didn't grow up with it. But to me, this
is kind of a classic of of of its kind.
I mean, if we're to say cryptid cinema, if that
is a thing, I mean, this is this would definitely
be you know, it's one of the better Bigfoot movies.
I guess we could say it's it's it's not quite
the hammer Yety movie, but it's it's up there wonderful.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Thank you very much, Julia. Did you have anything to
add to that.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah, So I think of it kind of as a
docu drama or even a dramatization, because if you think
about like, there's all these sort of you know, like
dateline or whatever. I don't know about it, but there's
certain there's some dramatizations of true stories where you have
the people and all mysteries deet where they actually have
the people that are in the story re enact themselves

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and then they have other people play people that were
in the story they don't necessarily want to or are
not alive anymore.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
It's that because it's a true story. Sorry Scott at
about this. You know this monster that has been around
foul Arkansas since apparently as early as nineteen forty six,
when somebody reported a citing and then in the month

(14:22):
that I was born May of nineteen seventy one, Bobby
Ford reports to the Fouc Constable that he's attacked at
his house by a Harry creature that breathes heavily, had
red eyes, and moved very fast. So this and then
he talks about all the things. So this is just
basically that story, but with some poetic license. So they're like,

(14:44):
let's just take it a step further and whenever I
get have some fun with it. So it's like a
docudrama in that way. That's how I choose to see it,
because everything else about it is so documentary. Saw me
that's beautiful, Like just to look it just really it
really just what's the word for, when you just kind
of luxuriates. It luxuriates in the art arkinsaw, you know,
atmosphere and like the environment of the swamp and the

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all just the farm wherever they are. It's really beautiful
and it's well filmed and there's all these like wonderful wildlife,
so it's pretty neat. I mean, it's a really interesting thing.
I know it inspired the Blair Witch Project, but I
don't really I think that's not even fair because it's
more true than that, Like it's based on these reports
that the local people have have seen. I love that

(15:30):
the that the Crabtree family is so well represented. I'm
super baffled by the fact that like, Jeff, what is
it Jeff Crabtree plays Fred Crabtree or something like that,
and I'm like, why, I really want that story.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well, not only that, but there's a crab Tree who
wrote a book about how ill used the crab Trees
were by this.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Well, and they only got paid, like they had the
sue to get paid, and they only got paid like
a thousand dollars in the end, each of them.

Speaker 7 (15:55):
It was awful.

Speaker 8 (15:56):
But yes, blood between the crab Trees and the makers
of the film, Yes, yeah, I see.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
And McCoy's but with Bigfoot, it's a feud.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
You might say, it's the feud. Thank you very much, Jolia.
I I just want to say what I love about this.
And I feel this way about almost every one of
the mid century movies that we watch. And this is
nineteen seventy two, so it's it's really not quite the
mid century, but it captures a world that doesn't so
much exist anymore, or at least that I didn't see.

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And so when I watch this, this is you know,
Pierce is doing some amazing work showing fouc and these
swamps and these trees and these birds, and and he
really takes his time showing all this stuff, and it's
beautifully shut and it's extremely well rendered. The film is beautiful.
Like I don't I almost don't even care that there's
a Bigfoot story going on. I just love that they're

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taking their time on these canoes, just moving slowly, like
I feel every day. My worry about how I don't
get to live in an analog world, or rather I could,
but I choose not to. And that makes it even
more tragic, is that I love the digital world. We're
luxury and in right now, like we're making a podcast, okay,
so we're part of the digital world. And yet this

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analog world that these guys live in, you know, is
stuff of wood and water and birds and and no
sometimes you know, no way of contacting the outside world.
And I just feel like I need to watch a
movie like this to be teleported to that world. And
it's and also there's a Bigfoot story going on, But
I just I loved this, Like all the way through,

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I felt like it was just just an anthropological study
of nineteen seventy two. Like that old timer at the
end of the movie who's like rolling his own cigarettes
and hasn't seen it, has he's been down there by
the creek for twenty.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Years, Scott Cheeseboro.

Speaker 7 (17:51):
He is.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
He is the greatest. That guy is Like I was
like that guy. I could not do it personally myself,
but that guy was how to live because somehow he
decided I'm going to go live by the creek for
twenty years and it's fine. Like I I like, think
what the minutes are like, and think what the hours
are like, you know, day and to night, Like what

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is that like?

Speaker 2 (18:14):
You know? That's that?

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Is it that I'm so in the world of like
executive boards that I when you said that what the
minutes are like? I thought you met like recording of meetings? Yes, still,
why is the recording meetings?

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Jason? I take your point.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
I think that's something that I've been thinking a lot
about lately, especially this summer when I had a lot
of time on my hands, and so much of that
time was ended up filled with work in the digital world.
And and there's just such a way I think that
there's I don't know. I the benefits of the digital world,
I think are relatively unimpeachable, but the drawbacks are almost

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are almost tipping the scales.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
A little bit.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
Yeah, and also I think that there's a whole different
I don't think that the Fouc Monster story could have
existed in a digital world. I think that's why we've
all sort of it's this sort of sad like, you know, losing.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
The fairy tale of youth or childhood or whatever.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
The more you know, the more you learn, the more
you have access to, the less magical things there are.
You know, if everyone has a phone in their pocket
and they can capture anything, you know, it makes it
harder to believe in in things like the faluc Monster.
But it's yeah, I'm with you on the digital thing.
I think we should all spend a lot less time
on our phones and a lot more time.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
It's a problem, I mean because the Yeah, when I
was a kid, and let's just move straight into straight
into the my first question was really about the Bigfoot phenomenon.
We'll talk more about the movie itself, but this movie
is by everybody I saw online, this is one of
their favorite Bigfoot movies. And this there was When I

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was a kid, Bigfoot was a huge deal. We lived,
you know, when I was growing up, our house backed
up to a lake, and so you know, I could
just walk out and go out the gate and just
walk down amongst the tall weeds and trudge around in
the mud and annoying my mom by like disappearing into
these little woods around this lake. And I was convinced

(20:14):
that Bigfoot was out there because Bigfoot was just in
the air. Everybody was talking about Bigfoot in the seventh.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
So wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait, there was a
time where you were open to this sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Well, absolutely this, and that I someday might be Pele
who also was Everything was was talked about by what what?

Speaker 2 (20:31):
What? What did?

Speaker 1 (20:32):
What did?

Speaker 2 (20:33):
What broke your heart? Jason? Why don't you believe in
magic anymore?

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Actually I do? I actually told did.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Bigfoot show us where Bigfoot bad touched you? So?

Speaker 1 (20:49):
So okay, Actually I remember doing a research project on
Bigfoot when I was when I was a kid, So
it was a big it was a big deal. I
I've locked away a lot of that and and but
I could I could access it if I wanted to.
But uh, I don't even know how to ask this.
So I'm gonna stop talking and just ask the crowd,

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what's the deal with Bigfoot? Like why in the Carter
administration where we talking about bigfoot so much anybody can talk.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
Because Nixon hadn't been elected yet.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
This is the car Nixon is not along unt of
the picture, right.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, Well, I was gonna say, because.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
As much as I think Richard Nixon is maligned for
for very for both fair and unfair reasons.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Uh, I was trying to make a Nixon his Bigfoot joke.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
But I wonder how that goes if i'm if I may.
It's the idea of wild men or or you know,
ape like creatures. It's not new. It just became pop
culture because there was pop culture. There's always been lore

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like this all across the world. Every country, with the
exception of Antarctica, which has no people, has a myth
kind of like this. So whether you believe it or not,
there's there's something to it that either either there is
some kind of primate running around that we have not

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identified yet, or you know, there's something in the human
brain that has a need for this kind of mythology.
Take your pick. But I think the reason why it
suddenly became a big topic is because there was television,
There was radio, there was newspapers, and that didn't exist before.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Okay, all right, By the way, I just want to
point out I got my dates totally wrong. Nixon didn't
leave till seventy four. So Nixon, Mary's right, Nixon is
still around. I should have known that, and I'm I'm
so sorry Nixon was and he's so. It's not the
Carter administration. It was when I was wandering around by

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the lake.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
But yeah, at the very least, no one has ever
seen Nixon and Bigfoot in the same room together.

Speaker 6 (23:22):
That's true. I'd never thought of it that.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
I love the notion that Bigfoot would crawl out of
the swamp, get get civilized, put on a suit, and
become the world's most pepsi Yes.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Exactly, bigot president.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yes we've had worse.

Speaker 6 (23:40):
Yes, Yes, I'm totally on board with everything Drew just
said in terms of of all of it. But but
TV is how I first became familiar with Bigfoot or
the Abominable Snowman or anything. I mean, that's quite frankly,
TV's hobby. I became aware of just about anything in
the genre world. So uh so that that that that

(24:03):
that synchronosy, if you will, that that meeting of all
these elements in the early seventies on television is where
it starts with me. But I I am actually, like
my dear friends, got really more of a skeptic. But
I'm fascinated by the phenomena, the pop culture phenomenon. That's
the part that really attracts me because as juice as
it goes back to our earliest you know, our earliest stirrings.

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But something happened, largely because of television and pop culture
and the seventies, to just blow this thing totally off
the map. So that's why I am right now.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
One of the things I've that I've been reading a
lot about in my own sort of rabbit holes of
conspiracy theories, and that's actually being corroborated by modern archaeology,
is that there are but at you know, thousands of
years ago, at at one time, there were different varieties

(24:55):
of of like.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Of Homo as in Homo sapiens that we're all running
around together.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
So there were all of these different types of humans
that were all existing in you know, in the same spaces.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
One of them is called homon a lady.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
There's a bunch of other ones, And part of me
wonders how much of this, you know, this mythos is
passed down from generation to generation. About that's really describing
something that doesn't really exist anymore. Maybe it does, who knows,
but maybe it's it's sort of this over, this held
over thing that was describing Mary.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
What you're talking about is actually kicked around a lot
in paranormal circles and in cryptozoology circles, like you have
this sort of hardline flesh and blood Bigfoot people who
will say, well, maybe Bigfoot is good at avoiding people
because at one point they just decided, well, these humans

(25:53):
are really violent, we should avoid them because they tend
to kill everything around them. And then there's also the
more crazy I don't want to say crazy, but more
estrotic estrateric is the right word, ideas that that, you know,
maybe Bigfoot is a spiritual phenomenon and even could be

(26:14):
like a past, uh, you know, echo on the present
and maybe we're seeing our ancestors somehow.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
Interesting.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
Oh, I like that theory, I think I like I
like that theory a lot.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
Actually, that's really interesting.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
I told you the weird stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
There's a there's a thing I think from Arthur C. Clark,
and it's been probably like twenty years since I read it,
But I remember him musing about a point in time
when you have a river, and standing on one side
of the river is a Homo sapien, and standing on
the other side of the river is a is a
prior man, and they stare at one another and try
to make sense out of how they are related to

(26:53):
one another, and you know, and you know and know
that they can ever actually be acted now, and the
fear and the you know and and all of that
that would go through. This was something that I think
it might have been in two thousand and one that
he was musing about this. I just can't remember.

Speaker 7 (27:10):
It's been so long.

Speaker 8 (27:12):
Although I can't, I can't resist bringing up a tangent here,
which is a tangent, And the tangent is that, of course,
some maybe some of us may be where some people
may be aware here that there is a certain percentage
of the human race that has Neanderthal DNA, because modern

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man and Neanderthals cohabitated at least in some places, and
so some some small percentage of the human race.

Speaker 7 (27:44):
With them.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (27:45):
Anyway, there's my tangent.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
That's at all.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
One of the phrases we used to use all the
time in this avenue is the car. They said, maybe
this is the missing link. You know, you know that
this is an un charted man on the list.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
So you know when when we talk and you know,
of course, the word monster is batted around in this
movie so much that if you made a drinking game
you would you would be smashed. So but you know,
when we call Bigfoot a monster, you know something that's
always in the back of my mind that I'm thinking of,
like if it is an unclassified animal, which you know

(28:23):
that's debatable levels of plausibility, but you know, I'm I'm
I'm there. An alligator to someone that has never seen
someone they're seen one is a monster. So like, if
you're out in the woods and you're not expecting to
see something that's like a gorilla, that's going to seem
like a monster to you so well.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
And your brain's not going to know what to do
with that information.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
I think even people who see alligators, who know what
alligators are, you see one and you're like, what the
fuck is that thing?

Speaker 4 (28:52):
You know, what the hell is it? And it moves.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I actually feel that way about mooses or moose what's
the pal of moose? I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
It's mousin No, but I feel that way about sea creatures. Man,
when you see like the kinds of stuff that live
in the ocean, You're just like, that is not okay,
that's yes, and I'm in there with it.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Sometimes is this like like ten foot long white crab
that just scuttles around the shores of Japan, And I'm
like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 6 (29:27):
Yes, yeah, like around people.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Can you see them?

Speaker 1 (29:31):
I've seen well I've only seen them on YouTube, but
but no, they're not in the deep. They're like in
the not deep.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Like I would see that and be like, it's an alien.
It's finally happened.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 8 (29:43):
The ocean is an absolutely terrifying place. But you know,
as I as I tell people, I have no problems
swimming in the ocean. I have no problems swimming in
the ocean over my head because I also, in the
back of my mind always carried the residual. The likelihood
of an attack from shark is really narrow. And as

(30:03):
I say to most people, even if I am attacked,
let alone killed by a shark, at least I'll die
with the knowledge I will have made all of the
papers and news you.

Speaker 7 (30:13):
Know my name that over everywhere.

Speaker 6 (30:15):
That's true, and I think you know, full disclosure, Scott
is one of the few people I know who's been
in a cage and swam with swam with all great
white So that's cool you have in a cage, but.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
You have the career of like a super spy. Like
we're always finding out more weird.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
We just went, we just went to see Jaws for
the fiftieth anniversary in the theater, and I'm telling you
that that that cage does not necessarily well help you
that much.

Speaker 8 (30:44):
The funny thing is is, and again I'm getting off
on a tangent. The whole reason that I ended up
in that position was my best friend at the time
and I, when we were fifteen and sixteen, went to
go see Jaws, and and we had been talking prior
to seeing the movie about getting our certification is for
scuba diving, and that sinsed it. We saw that movie

(31:05):
and went, Okay, we have to do it now. So
that's that's how I ended up eventually, like three or
four years later.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Being very different. That was a very different impact than
what that movie had on me, which is don't ever
go in.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
This is this is something else about the about that
analog world that I was talking about, there was really
a limited amount of film and TV, Like there was
a lot like you could you could, you know, it
was still difficult to watch everything. But there's kind of
a monoculture. So everybody sees Jaws. You kind of get
the feeling that if you if if you saw the

(31:40):
top movies that were showing and you watched you know,
you watched the top television you kind of had and
you read the top books and you got your Readers Digest.
That's been on my mind, the Readers Digest condensed books.
You could kind of get your arms around all the
knowledge that would be that you would need in your world.
And yeah, but we don't have that now. Now there's

(32:03):
never a feel that you can get your arms around
it all you can.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's like all I mean, we live in a in
a boutique culture now, Like everybody can go down all
their various rabbit holes and only pay attention. And it's
the reason why I can listen to ten different podcasts
about cryptozoology, you know, in a week, right exactly.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
It's I just by the way, I want to say,
I watched this movie on TV in the early seventies.
I I at about the same time that I watched
count yorga vampire in the early seventies. So as a
poor seven year old, I have all these memories in
my mind of like various I've developed a great fear
of like screen porches, you know, because because these are

(32:45):
not bigfootproof, you know, right there's you know, I remember
having nightmares about Bigfoot coming up to the farmhouse when
I stayed at the farm, you know, and and and
you know count Yorgas He's sneaking around people's cars and
stuff like that. Somehow, this just really captured my nineteen
seventies kid imagination at the time. I just remember it

(33:07):
like like I can reach out and touch it.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Well, it's very watchable, you know. Like that's the thing,
I think, the sort of folk tale. We're telling you
a story, you know, we're taking you to this particular
town and everything.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
It tell us a little b about the town, drew
because we should for the listener, if they're still with us,
I tell us, like what is this town and what's
the deal? What are they trying to tell us?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
So this is fuk, Arkansas, which is in the region
of Arkansas they call tex Arcana, which is kind of
nestled in a area that kind of puts it close
to Louisiana, close to Texas, and it's in Arkansas. It
is a very very small rural town, probably why it

(33:59):
was relatable to me. And you know, the town apparently
was founded I learned this today watching that documentary. The
town was apparently founded by Seventh day Adventists, so there
was a religious background, but also because of its slight
geographic isolation, but also the fact that despite the fact

(34:23):
that it was isolated by the wilderness, you could have
easy access to bus Texas and Louisiana. It also became
kind of a haven for outlaws during the frontier times.
So the town actually has kind of an interesting history
that doesn't really come into play in the film, mind you,
but it does give you kind of when you look

(34:46):
at that and you look at the people that are
in the movie, it does kind of give you an
idea of why they are the way they are, and
like where they came from and all that. Because you know,
somebody that also grew up in an area that's kind
of isolated, you get this very there's this weird mix
of individualism and like, you know, you're really into your privacy,

(35:10):
but also everybody's up each other's asses, and you know,
I I feel like that the way this movie, at
least the way the movie portrays the town. I don't
know if that's actually how the town was or is,
but at least the movie, the way it portrays the
town is that it's that the residents have a symbiotic relationship,
but also they want to leave each other the fuck alone.

(35:32):
That was That was a tangent and of itself, I
was real.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
But that was great. It gives you a look at
the world of and feel free to if anybody has
any comments on the world, uh like, jump in, don't
don't wait for me to call on you.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
Well, I mean the thing that I as someone who
grew up in a small town in Appalachia, very very different.
It was central Pennsylvania there. You know, there are places
that were still quite remote. Even when I was growing up,
we had sell you know, we there cell phones existed.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
I did have a cell.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
Phone yet, but cell phones existed, but there were still
places that didn't have cell service. And even when I
was going to grad school, I had to drive across
you know, I was in the mountains of Virginia to
drive through West Virginia to go interview to graduate school,
and I had to drive areas that got zero cell
service for like two hours. And so there is this
element of of of sort of being being on your

(36:22):
own or or just order almost like feeling like there's
only the only the people in your community to help you.
And when one person hears about something, everybody hears about it,
and it's you know, I think there's a reason why
small towns are such, are so so so perfect for

(36:44):
any sort of horror movie or scary thing to happen,
but I think especially for for rumors or myths or
things like this.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
You know.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
The when I when I was first started watching this movie,
I was, you know, enamored with the setting and it
was beautiful and the people. It seemed very authentic. But
part of me was like, is this a documentary? I
was waiting for the other shoe to drop in its
sincerity almost, which is why immediately was thinking this is
final tap because I went into it was zero knowledge

(37:14):
of the movie and ended up feeling it was more
like this documentary called Cropsy that's more more contemporary, but
it's about Staten Island who has their own scary, scary thing,
not necessarily topicabra, more like like a like a demon,

(37:37):
and it's called cropsy and it's it makes me want
to watch more of these these sort of uh, I guess,
folk tale folk documentaries, these stories of local areas that
have their own thing, that have their own monster. And
I'm sure all of these people who you know, I'm
sure whatever these people saw, they really saw something.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
But what that is just is, you know, a mystery.

Speaker 8 (38:02):
Which I think is part of what I come away
from this movie wonder wondering is why the filmmakers what
at what point did they decide, Oh, well, we're not
going to do a straight documentary, We're going to do
a docu drama. And therefore my question is, why why
did you make that decision? What what about telling the.

Speaker 7 (38:25):
Story? Okay, I'd love to hear it.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
So they they were going to make a straight documentary,
and the people in the town didn't want their story
told in a sensational way, so at least initially, they
couldn't get them to talk to them. And also the
family that was attacked, the thing that actually sparked Pierce's

(38:52):
interests in doing it. They didn't talk to them at all,
you know, like like they they bailed out of Fouc
and you know, nobody in thee Yeah, they got the
hell out of Dodge and you know, like so no
one has really talked to them since then, and so
at least initially, they they couldn't get people to talk

(39:14):
to them. So the idea of doing a straight documentary
was jettisoned into doing you know, this sort of docudrama,
you know style. They did try to keep the stories
as close as they could. There are some embellishments to
make it more quote unquote cinematic, but eventually, and this
is why there's so many crab Trees in the movie.

(39:36):
They got this guy, Smoky crab Tree involved in Crabtree,
and he's the one that actually shot a lot of
the stuff of the swamp that's so striking. But he
was so well liked in the town and his family
was so well liked that he was actually able to

(39:58):
get people to kind of come back around and appear
in the movie, which you later regretted because of what
you were talking about earlier, that Pierce kind of stiffed
people on it. Even though this movie was a runaway success.
You know, there's promises of of you know, kind of
spec work where like, you know, you work now and
we'll pay you later, and you know then there was

(40:20):
no later, and uh, you know, so he kind of
regretted it later on. But Smoky Crabtree also very very
frevently believed in the monster, even though he never saw
it himself, and believed it right up until he died.
But that I learned again. I learned that all because

(40:42):
I watched that Boggy Creek documentary, which I will probably
end up being my my endorsement when we get around
to that.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
But I want to I just want to well, I'm
just gonna say I want to talk a little bit
about the world, because you asked about that. In really
in regard to what Mary said about how, you know,
not having cell service, which made me chuckle because all,
I don't I forget that Mary's younger, like considerably younger
than we are, so she says stuff like that, and
I'm just like, oh, right, you had cell service as

(41:15):
a young child. Probably we're like, all, you know, we
didn't have you know, when I went to college, I
literally was asked by the phone company if I would
like a party line.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Oh my god, party lines. I think we should have
party lines again.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
But but anyway I was gonna say about this world
is that you know, I don't even know that they
have actual phones in some cases, because they clearly are
walking over like they're taking picking the children up the
monsters outside their window, and they're picking the children up
to take them over to another house because they need

(41:51):
a big strong man to come.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
And I want to talk about that family. I dog
on love that whole story about that family. I feel
like that story should be a movie, just a Hollywood movie,
because you got this fan like, how cool is this setup?
You got two families who are real close. I can't
remember if they're related, but they're all like twenty something parents.

(42:14):
The two dudes have both gotten jobs with an oil
company nearby. They are renting a house that is down
a little road from their landlord. They're renting this house,
and there's the two young ladies and they've each got
one small child. And this world of theirs, it is
so low tech that I just I love it. I
presume they have a TV to watch, Okay, I bet

(42:36):
it doesn't get many channels. They probably have a radio
they are just hanging out that she's reading the Good
Housekeeping or whatever the hell is, she's reading a magazine
in the evening, and they're listening to music. Their world
is the way that we experience the world if we
go camping, like this is their world. And I was
just so charmed by that whole situation. And then there's

(42:57):
a monster outside, and so yeah, they're like, we got
to go to the landlord's house because we don't have
a damn phone, and and you know, let's pick up
the children literally in theks of our arms and and
go to run towards there. It was I was like,
I want to see like ninety minutes just about these
two moms and they're dudes who are out in the fields.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
It was great, Jason, you really hit something that struck
a chord with me. Uh, because there were times in
my childhood when we you know, we moved quite a
bit and I was the eldest self at that time,
three children I'm talking about, you know, early early seventies,
and and my my mom would often spend time, excuse me,

(43:41):
with one of her sisters. You know, we'd be there
for the evening or whatever. So be these two women
and a couple of us kids and a couple of
her kids, and my aunt and my mom would have
like the glass bottle of coke, yes, and it would
be like a radio honor. If there was a TV,
it was a rotten little TV with like I said,
with rotten reception and overall feral children and and the

(44:02):
houses inevitably, you know, growing up in a pretty socially
economically depressed environment. The places these people lived in look
a hell of a lot like the places I was
familiar with, even in Wisconsin at the time. So it
felt very familiar. And so it's very easy for me
to imagine myself as either one of those kids or

(44:22):
you know, or in a sense, you know, one of
the mothers, if you will. And so that for me
is the big attraction of the movie, is that glimpse
into that time. It's a perfect time machine for me.
You know.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Really you wrote, by the way, a short story of
David Geister in one of no but it's so beautiful
and it it describes houses very similar to this because
they're in a it's this world situation.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
Yeah, and that that's the environment I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, And you captured that so beautifully. I really love
that story, and I think it's very very well written.
It iscaving me right now, but I think.

Speaker 6 (45:01):
It's called the window. I think it's called the window
because I had been having a dream about something pulling
me through the window of the bathroom one of these
little houses.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, and that just all the feral children
running around these these battered old houses. Just I yeah,
I loved that world.

Speaker 6 (45:18):
And it just seems, like I said, very very familiar
and strangely comforting. I wouldn't want to go back to it,
but it's strangely yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Feel that anyway. I'm sorry. I was just waxing rhapsodic
about how cool this, how cool this family was, but I, oh,
and there's somebody else was pointing this out. There's this
wonderful moment when they call the sheriff. So the sheriff
comes and goes, oh, there are no monster out there.
There's probably some bobcats trying to get in and eat y'all,
and and like, oh, okay, I guess that's better.

Speaker 8 (45:49):
Well, okay, so what's even better. Let let me just
add one thing because I have to. I was I
found this so interesting about the other thing that they
get from the sheriff. This goes, oh, here, let me
give you my shotgun for the next you know, a
couple of nights, and yeah, I'll come back tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (46:07):
And get it.

Speaker 6 (46:08):
Now.

Speaker 8 (46:09):
Granted that's a rural Arkansas sheriff, I get it, but
I still was like.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Wow, yeah, yeah, absolutely, you know. I mean growing up,
so my grandparents always had guns around. So so like
there was always a gun next to the door, like
literally just next to the door for shooting it, you know,
varmins and and I. So it doesn't surprise me at all,
Like just wouldn't would not surprise me in the slightest.

(46:36):
So somebody's like, oh, y'all have a shotgun. If you don't,
here's a shotgun. I'll come back and get it tomorrow
or the next day. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
So so two things.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, I know where the hell did go with that?

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Two things? Well, I I something did happen to this family.
Whether or not you want to believe it's a monster
is up to you. But something did happen to this
family because like the young youngest kid was hospitalized for
injuries to his rib cage and shock. There are people

(47:07):
that believe that they were attacked by a panther and
they just misidentified it and okay, whatever, But something did
happen to this family, which I think makes this whole
sequence all the more creepy. The thing, you know, y'all
talking about the guns. The thing that I find fascinating

(47:29):
about the gun culture, and this when I was listening
again to the documentary, and you know, I'm sorry that
I keep going back to this, but the reactions of
the people in town when this movie came out, you know,
and the differences between gun culture now and gun culture
back in the seventies. The people in this town were

(47:53):
horrified that there were all these amateur monster hunters roaming
around open carrying with rifles. Not because that they were
afraid of hunters or they were afraid of guns, but
they were afraid of unprepared, unskilled city people with guns.

(48:15):
And I just was like, that, way, my, how things
have changed, because nowadays it would be like, brother, you know,
like you're walking around.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
I really like I appreciated watching the hunting when when
they put the hunt together and they got the dogs
and the guns. What I appreciate about these old boys
was every one of them carried that gun either facing
the floor or facing the scot Yes, and those.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Are the local people that you know, like when this
movie came out, like this town was overrun with people
thinking that they were gonna have a taxiderm monster head
on their their and and they were horrified that there
were people in their local diner with like a with
a gun slung on their no, you know, and I

(49:03):
I just find that I find that fascinating, you know.

Speaker 5 (49:06):
Like it was culture, like you know, growing up in
rural areas too, there was a degree of like respect
for the thing because people use to you know, chase
away varments or whatever.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
You couldn't just play around with it. People knew that
it was something that was you were.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
You weren't supposed to cosplay with it. It was something
that you were expected to be trained and know how
to use. Whereas now having a gun has somehow become
a prop.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
It's a costume kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah, and that's a problem.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
A couple of things I want to say. One is
that that scene with the guns that I love that
the dogs are afraid to go the guy. The dogs
are like, we'll go back in the car. Things. But
also I also want to talk about the beginning because
at the beginning, the kid, the mom sends the kid
over because again no phones. The mom sends the kid
across like acres and acres of fields to go tell

(50:00):
the men folk that there is a creature that they
need to come help her with. And they just laugh
at him and they're like, yeah, maybe tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
These three old timers next to an ice box in
a gas station in the chairs, and I really get
the impression watching this that this is their seat every.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Day, talking like but talking about what David was saying
about identifying. I so identified with the mom of like,
imagine if you don't I mean as a female, if
you think, let's let's let's say, for example, for for grins,
that the creature, because you're talking about how the real uh,
the guy was really injured, that people were really injured,

(50:39):
let's say that the creature is actually a person who
dresses as a monster to harm people. And this woman
is being and all these women with the little children
are being preyed upon, stalked by this let's say, guy
in a monster suit who wants to hurt them. And
it's like and these guys are just laughing like yeah, whatever,

(51:01):
and It's not like for some reason the women don't
have the guns, which I think a lot of women do.
Like your great grandmother, Jason's great grandmother would shoot snakes
at the age of like ninety five.

Speaker 8 (51:13):
That was That was the one scene in the movie
that I was. I was was a bit skeptical, not
to say everybody, when those three girls are scrambling around
for the gun and they spill the shells and they
act as though, you know, they've never dealt with before,
and I was like, I don't know about that.

Speaker 7 (51:31):
You know, when you take three maybe.

Speaker 8 (51:33):
One of the girls or two of the girls maybe,
but at least one of them.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Maybe they were nervous. But you're right that it wasn't
believable that they don't know how to use a gun.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yeah, that's the three teens. I love the vignettes and this. Yeah,
the three teenagers hanging out doing whatever the hell they're doing.
I can't remember, but they're just having a.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Good doing their hair. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Yeah, you know, you know, I almost don't need the
monster in this movie. I want to explore this world
of these people.

Speaker 8 (52:04):
Well, at the risk of at the risk of taking
us again on another tangent, and I don't want this
to be an old man memory show. But you know,
any film, any film that falls within my lifetime, but
especially the time between the time I was ten and
let's say twenty, so we're talking between nineteen seventy and

(52:29):
nineteen eighty. When I see films of those era, doesn't
matter what the genre is, but it will immediately I'll
have memories of things from my youth, and as you
as we've been discussing here, things that are no longer
like that at all, things that will never be able
to be brought back, things that were about the era

(52:51):
that sometimes I find myself going, oh, well, wouldn't it
be nice if it could be this way again, just
for a short time, Because yes, I have grown up now,
and I appreciate the Internet, and I appreciate all the
people I can stay connected with where you know, back
in nineteen seventy three, what can you do? Well, you

(53:11):
can call them long distance, or you can send them
a letter. And I'm old enough to remember that when
I was in Wisconsin going to college and I had
a girlfriend in Minnesota and had to call her in
Saint Paul. I can remember getting long distance phone bills
for three hundred dollars in nineteen eighty dollars.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Phone bills because his parents got really mad at him.

Speaker 8 (53:36):
About yeah, yeah, well, and which is just crazy. Now,
that's one thing that obviously I don't miss. But when
I think about things like long distance, it sounds so
anachronistic now, it's like, come on, But anyway, there is
that there is that phenomenon that I that you know,
and maybe it's a sign of age, but but that

(53:58):
I do think about frequently, like, oh, you used to
be able to go outside as a kid and play,
and you you would say bye to mom and not
come back until three or four o'clock that afternoon. You know,
I'm going over to so and so's house.

Speaker 7 (54:10):
Right over there on your bike. And that was it.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Well, and I got one better. You could and Julia
actually did this. You could say, oh, hey, while I'm
traveling through Europe, I'm going to disappear into a different
country for about a week. I'll give you a call
when i'm back, and you're just off the grid.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Like no, I've talked about that. How how I feel
so bad for my parents because my parents have told
me that while I was in Europe, they almost got
divorced because my mom was freaking out so badly because
I was, you know, backpacking, and so I would get
my little telecard, my little phone card, and I call
them and be like, hey, you know, I'm here in

(54:49):
this place whatever. I'm not sure where I'm going wherever.
Some people I met are going to go, so I'll
call you like when I get there. So my parents
are like, you know, you disappear. We're gonna have to
spend all of our savings to find you. And I
literally was like, that's not my problem. I'm now as

(55:09):
a parent of adult children who literally share their location
with me on their phones, I don't even know. I
don't even know what I would do, Like I would
just freak the fuck out if that.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Happened to me.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (55:23):
It was the same way as far as keeping you know, once,
especially once I got older with my parents, I'd be like, well,
you'll see me tonight to five or six or ten
o'clock or whatever it was.

Speaker 5 (55:33):
You know, I still don't like. I think it's more
of the age things. I'm the oldest of six and
me four brothers. My sister she's the baby, the only
other girl and she's thirteen years younger than me, but
she I don't think my mom texts us to be like, hey,
why do you guys do it? Like I remember being
in college and I would you know, text, I'm like, Hi,

(55:54):
I'm going I'm going hiking.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
I'm gonna be off griade.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
If you don't hear from me by like you know seven,
send help, you know, ah someone.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
But they were very plause about it.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
I'm sure they were worried to some degree, but I
think we all were so like individually adventurous that they were.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Like, well, if they die, they.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Die, Like it's possible.

Speaker 6 (56:14):
It's also quite as much, you know. He kind of
spread it.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Out exactly one out of six.

Speaker 6 (56:22):
Wee.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
I think that we worry more because we can worry
more now we have the tools now, yes, like we
didn't have tools, so it's like, you know what am
I going to do? You know? The kids camping, there's
nothing that we're not going to hear from the We'll worry.
We will start to worry tomorrow if you don't hear
from them by X time. They said to start worry.
We actually used to give one another instructions like that,

(56:49):
if you don't hear from me by tomorrow at eight,
start to worry, I guess because something's gone wrong.

Speaker 8 (56:55):
Or ultimately a lot of things with out of town
trips or whatever. You say, well, I'll be back home
at Monday by eight o'clock or so, you know, and
then it's like, yeah, okay, then you start.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Also this kid, I'm Sorryvid God, please, you know.

Speaker 6 (57:10):
I'm just gonna say, here's the dilemma that of course,
any number of modern horror or suspense movies. I know
we can argue over that term of course, but those thrillers,
this is the dilemma they have because you know, what
do you do with the cell phones? You know, because
it's hard to create the situation. All you can do
is say, well, either the phone is broken or there's
no service.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
In nineteen seventy two exactly, I was gonna.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Say that about your crime, which is that every time
anybody like get suspected of anything, there's all these phone records,
and if they've turned their phone off, like Brian Coberger did,
then you're like, well, that's super suspicious. Why was your
phone off?

Speaker 7 (57:47):
Because you should be able to track everybody does that.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
So the fact that you turned your phone off means
you did it because or at least it's evidence you
did it, because this is during the crime and nobody
does that.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Yeah, well, I'll.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Well, I mean, if you had a tracking phone on,
we'd be able to know that you were, in fact
going out into the woods putting on your big foot costume,
specifically the one with three toes not five toes. Yeah,
and which I want to talk about later.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
All right, why don't we talk about it right now?
But first I want to make the mention of this kid.
So opens up as Julia mentions. One of the first
sequences is the narrator goes, boy, I remember, like it
was yesterday. I was a scrunny little kid, you know,
with crazy hair and no shirt, running across the fields
because my mom told me to to go get help.

(58:36):
And then later he returns as an adult, and that
really really just struck my heart because think about that
kid with his crazy hair, running barefoot across these fields
and the fact that he's going to get out of
this place that has five hundred people in it, five
hundred people in this town. He's going to get out
of this place and somehow go to college and somehow
to go go to graduate school and somehow make movies

(59:00):
and come back and like like, that's the odds of
all of that happening of anybody in this town. You know,
just reaching escape velocity is sort of shocking, you.

Speaker 9 (59:11):
Know, although it does you know, yeah, you know, John Boy,
you know all that escape becomes a writer, you know, all.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
That stuff is interesting because a lot of these sightings
and things happened technically in the late sixties, Like the
incident that happens at the end, that happened in the seventies,
and that's actually what it brought Pierce in thinking, oh,

(59:41):
this would be a good idea for a movie. But
the the the sightings that you know, like a lot
of this technically would be considered a period piece, even
though they make no effort to make.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
It look correct.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Although small towns, you know, the way they are, like,
I'm sure basically everybody would have looked the same.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
So, as we said many times, the eighties is basically
just like the fifties. Really, yeah, in certain towns.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Well, I mean that's certainly true where I grew up,
and you know, it's it's but okay, so the three
toad footprints, Yes, the three toad footprints is constantly something
that people who are skeptical point out as something that
is sketchy about the falc Monster, which I actually agree with.

(01:00:29):
I do think the free three toad footprints are very
especially since it happened so close to around the time
that this movie was being filmed. So I think the
three toad footprints were probably a hoax what nobody talks
about because we all think of like Bigfoot being this
thing that was like, okay, back in the seventies and eighties,

(01:00:53):
there were Bigfoot sightings, but they don't really happen now
that's not actually true. There are people in Falk, Arkansas
still seeing this thing as late as twenty eleven, and
most of the time they find footprints, they are five
toed footprints, like classic. Yeah, So I think I think

(01:01:15):
I don't if I had the hazard, I guess this
is this is I'm not sure if the timeline sinks
up exactly like this. I think someone involved with this
movie probably fakes those three toed footprints and they're like, well,
it's a monster. It has three toes. With no thought
the hell primate fee actually, which you know, most people

(01:01:38):
aren't watching YouTube videos about zoology, like I am, but no,
you know, like there's no thought, like there are literally
no primates with three toes, Like the only things that
have three toes are are typically in the reptile family,
like birds and lizards. So you know, primates, unless they

(01:01:59):
are formed, have five toasts, and in fact that's the
support because primates are, for mammals, are relatively big, and
so we need the five toasts to support our weight
but also our stride because we're also primates are good
at endurance. So there's a lot of things about primate

(01:02:20):
feet that having three toes make no sense, and you
know it is. It is my one thing you know
about this movie that I was just like, oh, I
wish that wasn't in there, because I really do think
that it was probably someone involved with the production hoaxing.
But you know, I again, I don't know if the
timeline exactly syncs up, but I know that the three

(01:02:41):
toe footprints showed up closer to when they were filming
this interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Well, thank you very much, Notary you were gonna do, Scott,
go go ahead.

Speaker 8 (01:02:50):
Oh I was gonna say. The other thing I found
interesting about the film, or one of the points of
view was they seem to be promoting this idea that
this was one individual creature. You know, it wasn't like
a group of them. It was just one and there
wasn't any you know whatever it's sexy amos. There wasn't

(01:03:11):
a mate for it or anything. There's not a brillant
population of foulon, which I thought was really odd.

Speaker 7 (01:03:20):
But isn't how a.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
Lot of these a lot of these creatures are described
as being solitary.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Or you only ever really see them one at a time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
That is actually true, there are multiple.

Speaker 8 (01:03:34):
I was going to say, it's not that I expect
to see two of them. It's more that how is
this conclusion drawn that it's only one animal?

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
You know?

Speaker 7 (01:03:45):
Yeah, okay that I think.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Well, they wanted to make it seem lonely. They were like,
let's make folks about it, and you know, it's a sad,
sympathetic creature, and you know, maybe that's why it's her
harassing lonely housewife.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
He doesn't hurt anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Yeah, well, all right, I'm going to is there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
I'm gonna throw it open to the group. Because we
talked about the historical context, we talked about the analog world.
I get we should probably talk a little bit about
controversies about this. I think we mentioned some of them,
which is that people feel that that mister Pierce didn't
didn't pay people properly. There is a book, like I say,

(01:04:32):
by the By the Crab Trees that that calls that out,
which is still for sale you can get it for
nine ninety nine on Kindle, which I'm impressed by. So,
you know, Smoky Crab Trees takedown. So it becomes like Everest.
You know that that movie Into Sorry, that book Into
thin Air by Daniel Krakauer, which is about you know,
he's writing for Outside and all these people happened to

(01:04:54):
be covering it on this huge disaster of a climbing disaster,
and they are all our apology of books against Daniel
krackauers Into thin Air from other people on the mountain
who say it went differently than crackours that it went
so Boggy Creek is a big enough deal that there
are takedown books against it. So, Julia, did you type something, Oh, no,

(01:05:17):
we're talking about tech stuff. But okay, so I'm gonna
throw it open to the group.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
Yeah, oh I think that there's Sorry Jason, you asked
your question.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
No, I didn't have a question.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
I have no question you about controversy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Well, yeah, controversy.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
But I think so, I think that there's an element
of exploitation that I think really gets associated with outside
people coming into small towns and trying to know more
about them and their lives and there and they're what
they have going on, and I think, unfortunately it sounds
like mister Pierce and Friends absolutely fell.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
Into that category.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
And also I think that there's I think especially with
people from the country or people in small, smaller, rural,
more remote areas. It's massively unfair, but I think that
people look down upon them as they are lesser, not
smart enough, or not deserving of being compensated for their
time and effort. And I wonder how much that was

(01:06:12):
part of part of this whole situation as well. But yeah,
I think like rural exploitation and I think is something
that we should.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Be talking more.

Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
Maybe not more about it as a society, but I
think it's definitely something that we're not over.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
I think we see it with politics today. I think
we see it with a lot of different things. That
was a thing that I thought of when I was
watching this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
I also think Pierce probably went into this not thinking
because how could you predict that that this was going
to be the runaway success that it was, and likely
got greedy along the way. He was like, well, I
laid out the money and I did this, and he
started probably started rationalizing, you know that, because like, look,

(01:06:59):
I I know I've never made a movie, but I
know what it's like to put together a creative project
on a shoestring budget, and you make deals, you know,
you shake hands, you do things to get it done.
But what you have to do on the other end
of that is if the money is made and it
is there, you have to honor that deal, which he

(01:07:21):
did not do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
And you know, and that's shocking to me. Yeah, it's
shocking to me that you would say I will give
you five percent and then you just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
I Well, the other thing about this, the other thing
about this that I always think about is any time
you hear and I'm not trying to throw all skeptics
all under the bus, because there's absolutely skepticism is important
and it needs to be out there. But a lot

(01:07:51):
of the times when you hear these sort of stories discussed,
people in rural areas when they come forth with these stories.
You know, there's always the oh, you know, the person
came forth with their story to make some money, or
oh they did you know, they they have like they
have some sort of angle. And what usually ends up

(01:08:12):
happening is the person maybe at best, goes on to
unsolved mysteries. They may get a couple hundred dollars in
a sandwich from craft Services, and then they're the coup
that saw Bigfoot for the rest of their life. And
what happened with this town is a textbook example of that,
because Pierce put this town on the map and while

(01:08:34):
now they finally decades later, figured out how to exploit
this in a way that's constructive to the town, whether
than than you know, exploitive. You know, it took them
fifty years to do that, you know, Like, so you know,
he basically dropped, you know, took these people's story, which
they were hesitant to tell him and only did when

(01:08:57):
somebody that they trusted convinced them to. And then he
basically dropped a pop culture Adam baumb on this town,
you know, like and and you know, suddenly there's people
walking around with rifles everywhere. So you know, like, it's
just it's just I just think that's interesting and I
think it's worth thinking about.

Speaker 8 (01:09:16):
That's an that's an interesting phenomenon as far as cryptids. Uh,
the these communities that have had incidences in their history
who initially don't make don't look at it as a
way to increase income or foot traffic or whatever into
their communities for whatever reasons, and then decades later decide, oh,

(01:09:40):
this is a way to get people.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
To come here. We'll have lots of examples like that,
lots of them.

Speaker 7 (01:09:44):
Yeah, yeah, right, man, I can after that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
I think of.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Roswell, New Mexico, man, the whole town.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Yeah, New York.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
See.

Speaker 7 (01:09:57):
I think of Hopkinsville, Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Oh yeah, tell me about this. I don't know anything
about that.

Speaker 8 (01:10:02):
Upkinsville, Kentucky is where supposedly two one or two spacecraft
landed in like nineteen fifty five, and depending upon what
story you read, between two and nine aliens that were
about two and a half feet tall attacked this house
with two families and over the course of like eight hours.

Speaker 5 (01:10:22):
Interesting, that's very similar to some of the things that
happened in this movie.

Speaker 7 (01:10:27):
Yeah, well except this movie. This was this was one.

Speaker 8 (01:10:31):
Night, and you know, they and we could talk about
it later off of the show, but it's something that
you know, it happened in nineteen fifty five, and it
wasn't until I think until like two thousand that the
town decided, oh, you know, we could use this as
a basis of a festival or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Loveland, Ohio has the Loveland frog Man, which is like
a cryptid that I am both skeptical and also terrified of.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
Our friends, Anthony and Ryan I think are working.

Speaker 6 (01:11:06):
On a movie.

Speaker 7 (01:11:08):
Couple of them did one.

Speaker 6 (01:11:11):
Yeah, yeah, I think Ryan did the creature effect.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
The town apparently has a love hate leaning towards hate
relationship with the Frogman, and like on a lot of
these podcasts I listened to, they're like, this town needs
to get with it. They need to have Frogman chot skis,
they need to have a Frogman mark. You know, like this,
this is money in the bank. If you have a

(01:11:38):
local monster, you've got to capitalize on that. And I
do agree with that, Like I am ninety nine percent
more likely to stop in a town if they have
a myth or a legend that I can do a
deep do.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
We have we have Frozen Dead Guy Days here in Netherland, Colorado.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
There you go. I forget why they held on because
it was cold. Yeah really well, I mean they couldn't
enter him until the following thaw. And so you had
this frozen Dead Guy for a while. And I can't
remember the full story of the We can get back
to you with the story of Netherland, Colorado. But there
is now an annual carnival called Frozen Dead Guy Days

(01:12:21):
in celebration of their favorite local hangar. On for too
long as a popsicle in a box. But the let's see,
uh you know, Stanley Hotel for the longest time just
completely ignored the Stephen King connection. But now they are
a whole hog. They built a big topiary maze and

(01:12:44):
they and they've they've got lots of shining stuff from
the gift shop they.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Had to torn down. So they had when they made
the movie, not not the movie, not the original movie,
the TV mini series, the actual at the actual Stanley,
and then everybody was so freaked out by the maize
or by the Tobieries that they took them down. No,
the Tobierries aren't back. The Tobieries are still gone. But
they grew a maze.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Now, which is like the Kubrick movie anyway, And that's
because they've embraced it. People are coming, they want to
talk about Stephen King. So the hotel's like, yeah, you bet,
we've got ghost tours. We've got Stephen King stuff. Great.
Same thing with the Oakley Court, which now has stuff
that says, yes, we have that Dracula movies were made here.
You know, we didn't end up selling this place and

(01:13:31):
turning it into condominiums. It's still an actual hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
I mean, how else are you supposed to lure guys
dressed in black and girls with clipped Betty Page bangs
to your to your tourists. You know, it's attraction, you know,
like money in the bank, monster connection.

Speaker 7 (01:13:52):
Jeez.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
And by that I mean me and Jamie.

Speaker 5 (01:13:59):
There's something very I'm gonna use this word again, Jason,
because I think it's the perfect word. There's something very
analog about these sort of roadside attractions too, where the
idea of going on a road trip and then saying, oh,
this is the place where Captain Kirk is buried, or
where Buddy Holly crashed, and you know, the plane crashed

(01:14:19):
and you know, stopping at Sleepy Hollow or all these
different places are up in Connecticut end upstate New York.
There's the Old leather Man. Who is this guy who
would make a like eighty mile loop just and would
almost on a clockwork for like years and years and years,
And you can visit some of the places that he

(01:14:40):
slept in in these caves.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
Didn't speak a word English. This was for years. It's
a super cool story. And he was a real guy.

Speaker 5 (01:14:46):
They just don't know, you know, they you know, they
never could identify who exactly he was, where he came from.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
They just knew him as this sort of wandering.

Speaker 6 (01:14:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
But there's but I think that there's this real like
it's it's so cool to me. That's that's something that
I never really want to lose. And that's I think
some one of the beautiful things about our country in
particular is that we have wacky roadside shit everywhere and
it is so cool. And everybody has a creature or
a monster or a statue of of moth man with

(01:15:17):
a big fat butt, Like, yeah, there's all of these
things are are you know, they fuel the story, They
fuel the folklore in a.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Way, do you know By the way, what that made
me think of? You're talking about the leather man. I
was thinking about these boy, these would be great characters
in a story, the pack horse, librarian, ladies of the forties,
who we go you know, like again, it's the forties, right,
so it's not the nineteenth century, but it's the forties,
and they would go into rural areas with libraries on

(01:15:48):
there on in their packs.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
It is so cool, I know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Know, I mean, I want to I want to hear
like an old interview with one of these ladies. I
want to hear more about this stuff. But anyway, that's
so off the that has nothing to do with Boggy Creek.
I'm so sorry. Like, if I had any sense, i'd
edit it out, but I'm too lazy. So you can
look that up if you want.

Speaker 6 (01:16:12):
Is it worth at all mentioning the there were was,
of course, the the unofficial sequel starring TV's Don Wells.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
I have not seen this.

Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
There's also the one that Pierce himself made a few
years after that, in which he is the main character.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Oh, that I've seen on MS three K boys, I
don't remember being very good, but it's very entertaining.

Speaker 6 (01:16:37):
Because it's it's it is what it is, it's the
whole time.

Speaker 8 (01:16:44):
Those movies are both straight dramas correct, they are not correct.

Speaker 6 (01:16:50):
And he pointed out that appears himself pointed out that
he thinks that that he has his sequel of which
I think is called Boggy Creek two right legend. Yes, yeah,
he he would agree with a lot of people that
it's probably one of his worst and that he you know,
he wished he hadn't had to step in. Maybe he

(01:17:11):
intentionally did this to begin with, but that he you know,
features himself as the main character. But it's it's a
lot of fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
We got to watch that, and that is on m stek,
so you can even watch it.

Speaker 7 (01:17:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
It also Creature from Black Lake, which is got some
of the same yeah people involved with it, but it's
more of a straightforward no horror film.

Speaker 7 (01:17:38):
And that movie has Jackie Lamb in it does.

Speaker 6 (01:17:42):
And yeah, that's what Scott. We were trying to figure
out the name of the movie to the movie. Yes, well, okay,
because we have seen this and I've actually watched that
movie twice. I'm not sure why, but I have.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
All Right, we should probably move to our final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
But we have to solve the mystery. Is Bigfoot real?

Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
Why do we have to?

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Why do anything? I encourage? I encouraged. I think the
spirit of Bigfoot is real, my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
So I will say this, I think Bigfoot in real
life is real, but in this story and that we watched,
because there the Bigfoot has two different looks to him.
I think it's a guy in a suit in this story, however,
like in fouc. But I do think that there are
is Bigfoot somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
So you think somebody was disparaging the good name of yes,
exactly that I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
I'm gonna regret asking this. I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Are you suggesting I'm saying Arkansas Bigfoot is real? But
I do think there is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Do you think a prankster in the nineteen forties put
on a suit to scare the and then in.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
The seventies it's like a predator, like a bad person
who was like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Thinks it's a Scooby Doo pervert. Basically I'm following Julia,
that's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Yeah, I don't know if it's perverb because I don't
know if it was sexual assa just.

Speaker 5 (01:19:11):
At the very least someone that's mean spirited and trying
to scare the shit out of some poor people in
a house.

Speaker 8 (01:19:17):
On the other hand, which is part of this whole phenomenon.
It's like if you have one weird incident happened in
a town and it gets enough play, and maybe a
second one and and then it really doesn't matter except
to those involved whether it's real or not. You know,
what your imagination or what their imagination sees, and what

(01:19:39):
the reality of that is. Did they see any thing really?
Was it a panther, was it a bear, was it
a bigfoot?

Speaker 7 (01:19:46):
You know?

Speaker 8 (01:19:47):
But but it all becomes sensationalized because people now know
that there's been this set of incidences in this town,
and therefore there's these new incidences. But they could be
a bear or somebody in a sumed or or you know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Yeah, so you have very earliest to eat.

Speaker 6 (01:20:05):
It's not unlike the the the crypti in southeastern Wisconsin, Elkhorn,
the Beast of Bray Road, oh dog man right right,
And the number of people have claimed, you know, over
the years, to have seen this this beast. Some people
believe that, some people don't. So in fact, I probably

(01:20:26):
should have brought it up a bit earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
But I do think that, like there's like Yetti's in Nepal.
I mean, that's why I do believe that.

Speaker 5 (01:20:33):
I wonder because I was just looking up all of
the different places that have some version of an ape
man or large hairy men creatures whatever that stand on
two feet and walk around like humans. It's the consistency
across cultures is the thing that makes me. I think

(01:20:53):
I naturally draw. I'm naturally drawn towards the skeptic skepticism.
My big thing being like in the cell phone day
and age, why haven't why hasn't anyone captured any compelling
evidence knowing that there is, you know, a whole world.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
And now have AI. No matter what you capture, nobod's
gonna believe it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Well that's absolutely true.

Speaker 5 (01:21:15):
Oh God, we flew, we flew too close to the sun.
With technology, I think it's a rap on humanity. But uh,
but I think that there's that That's the one thing
that gives me, like real pause. It's the consistency of
the description of these creatures across cultures independently that have
these stories, And I'm like, maybe there's a natural explanation.

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Maybe it's a malnourished bear standing on two legs that
lost all its furs.

Speaker 4 (01:21:42):
I've seen one of those, and it's scary. It looks
like a monster. But I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:21:47):
I I think I'm I'm very content with not knowing,
but I think I have to be the you know,
I hope it's real.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
I hope it's real. I hope we find out that
it's all real.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Unknown.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
It's called the unknown phenomen because it's unknown. So like,
you know, here's here's the thing. I you know, I
said this before we start recording. Even if there's nothing
to it, even if it's all bullshit, the stories do
mean something, yes, and they are worth recording because folklore
is important. But honestly, out of all the stuff that's

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out there, when you really stack it up against like
stuff about different cryptids like lake monsters and you know,
dog men, things like that chupacabra, Bigfoot is not actually
that outlandish when you when you look at it from
a certain perspective, it's just a big unknown eight So uh,

(01:22:46):
I do tend to lean more towards it's real, Like
I I, you know, and last year, I think even
you know, before I went on my my because I
read a Bigfoot horror novel in November and I kind
of went down a Bigfoot rabbit hole for for the
last six months. And now I think I probably I

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was more skeptical before doing all the reading that I've done,
and now I'm leaning I'm not going to hundred percent
say it's real. The Bigfoot is real, Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:23:20):
I think I tend to believe in aliens, like real
aliens that have landed down and have done stuff on
planet Earth. I than I then Bigfoot, But I think
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
I think you can you can convince me Drew.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Alien aliens to me is so like plausible it barely
qualifies as paranormal phenomena to me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Yeah, First, sure what military people are going before Congress
and testifying that they're real?

Speaker 5 (01:23:48):
And maybe pilots who are I think notoriously even amongst
the military, the most trustworthy, fact based people to exist
on planet Earth, saying that this thing is real?

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
Then yeah, it's it's I.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
I That's kind of why I when when I, you know,
I tend to prefer like getting a little with this
stuff I seek out with like folklore and paranormal podcasts
these days, Like I I lean towards weirder ship like
the Loveland frog Man, because it's just so crazy. You know,

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it doesn't have the same sort of ven ear of
plausibility to it that some other things do, because like
sometimes you just want to hear a creepy story and
you know, like I, I don't really think that there
is a Loveland frog Man, but I am scared of him,

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if that makes any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Yeah, sure, yeah, actually that that that does because I
can buy into that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
I by the way, I hope Hell.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
I don't believe Hell exists, but if it does, I
don't want to go there, so to behave really well
want to.

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
Go there though, so I alone, I want it to
be real.

Speaker 8 (01:25:05):
That's like having uh a small fear in the back
of your head swimming in a swimming pool late at night,
thinking oh about sharks.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
I used to be afraid that a snake was going
to crawl up through the toilet when I was sitting
on it and bite me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
I wasn't afraid of that, but now I am.

Speaker 6 (01:25:26):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
And in my parents when they were potty training me,
they convinced me this is sadistic. Actually, I think this
kind of qualifies his abuse. They they told me about
the potty witch and if I wasn't doing it right,
that the potty witch was going to reach up from
the sewer and and bite me on the ass. And

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there is even Yeah, it kind of feels like Stephen king.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
That into anything?

Speaker 6 (01:25:59):
Yeah, rib.

Speaker 5 (01:26:02):
I have so much Drew, now that you have a child,
I think you need to turn the potty witch into
a positive thing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
It'll be a part of the toilet training. It'll be
like the potty witch is so excited to see you.

Speaker 7 (01:26:17):
It could be the princess.

Speaker 6 (01:26:20):
Oh, the party princess.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
I don't know that Luna is gonna be a princess.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Drew and Jamie's kid, there's not going to be a princess.

Speaker 6 (01:26:30):
Also, to be quite honest, I would not do a
Google search under the terms potty princess.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
That's probably whise David.

Speaker 7 (01:26:40):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 6 (01:26:43):
Hey, I need to point out that Northern Minnesota has
its own bigfoot sightings, specifically in the town of Reamer,
which has an annual Bigfoot Days. And I've been through
Reamer before and they have cutouts of bigfoot everywhere, and
it's a big deal for them, not.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Not for nothing. But there's the Harry Man Festival up
in round Rock, which is about thirty minutes from Kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Yeah, that was That's cool. There's some really cool bookstores
in around Rock by the way.

Speaker 6 (01:27:10):
Well, I guess to me it just there. There is
this sort of lasting, yeah, this legacy, this lure, if
you will. And I'm willing to bet that most of
the sightings date from the sixties or seventies or eighties,
which just happens to coincide with the prevalence of these
depictions on TV. But at the same time, I know

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somebody who absolutely insists she has had encounters in the
woods of West Wisconsin within about thirty miles of year,
And since she doesn't listen to the podcast, I can
also say that she might be out of her mind.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
My grandfather, my grandfather thought while working on an oil
rig in really East Texas.

Speaker 5 (01:27:52):
Yeah, interesting, I have no exciting Bigfoot sighting yet.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
Yeah, time, maybe there was stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
I think instead of final thoughts, I think everybody should
just say I think I said you did the siege,
see Jason.

Speaker 7 (01:28:11):
But.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
You I'm not convinced that this was a dream.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
But oh my god, that's what that's the problem with you,
is that you are like you'll say these things and
I'll have hope for a second, and then you'll be like, oh,
but it must have been a dream, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Like, he's Doctor thirteen from DC Comics. He's like, I
don't believe I don't believe in magic, even though I'm
friends with Doctor Fate.

Speaker 6 (01:28:33):
Exactly, You're saying you had a dream that or not.

Speaker 7 (01:28:39):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
I was okay, there's a little farmhouse on the farm.
There's two houses. There was a big house, but where's
this farm. Yep, so eighteen miles from from Oakmulgy grandmother's
my great grandmother's house. That's the big house, and there's
the new house and the little house. So at this
point I was sleeping in the big house on the couch,

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which is underneath a big window, and there was.

Speaker 6 (01:29:06):
The doors right there.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
And so I got up and middle of the night,
and uh, I'm a little kid, I'm like eight or
nine years old, and I look up at the door
and there was what I remember being bigfoot looking in
through the window at me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
So this is where the face because Jason has been
afraid of faces and windows his whole life. I did
not know where that came from, and it comes from
fascinating made real progress.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
I'm pretty sure that this was a dream, Jason, much
more like early Manson. Honestly, my god, I think this
was probably just I think i'd Bigfoot. First of all,
it was a probably a dream, if not a dream,

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it was a person.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Well I don't know, or like draumatized for their whole
life about a dream.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
So Jason saw Alan Moore and thought big that's the Yeah,
So I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:30:09):
Wow, that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Yeah, it's a long time ago. Yeah, things I.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Tried to worst you can saw like Jason Voorhees or
I know, right, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Oh that that is one more question that I have,
which is this movie has the business where the driving
down the road and Bigfoot runs across the road up
ahead at the curve. And I thought that that was
a moment from Friday thirteenth, but apparently maybe I just
remembered it from this is There a Mother?

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
There's a moment like that in number one thirteenth one
or two. Okay, you did not imagine, just like you
did not imagine seeing Bigfoot. You did see Bigfoot. You
also did not imagine that bit Friday the thirteenth trivia.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:30:52):
If we repeat it often enough, he's going to start
to believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Yes, I'm going to break you, Jason.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
Yes, all right. You had a proposition through other than
final I think.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Instead of final thoughts, everybody should tell us your favorite cryptid.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Oh okay, I like that idea. Uh okay, Well, the
order that we went in was, let's see, it was Mary.
Mary goes first, Mary, what's your favorite cryptid?

Speaker 4 (01:31:18):
My favorite cryptid always forever will be the moth Man.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
I love the moth Man.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
I like the weird intern the weird things that the
Internet has done with the Mothman. It's just so delectably bizarre.

Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
I just I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:36):
I love the I love the sort of kitschy tourist
culture around it all.

Speaker 4 (01:31:40):
So Mothman is my is my favorite very much.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
That's that's great. I love that, all right, David. Yeah,
favorite cryptid?

Speaker 6 (01:31:47):
Well, you know what, I sort of have to go
with the local cryptid, in the sense that local being
for me Wisconsin because I was born there. I gotta
I gotta go with the Beast of Bray Road, which
is either a dog man or dare I say a werewolf?

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Nice? Okay, thank you Scott. What about you?

Speaker 5 (01:32:06):
Well?

Speaker 8 (01:32:06):
My favorite is one who I'm almost positive isn't true,
because I've read enough about it now and I'm disappointed.
But and I hold out hope that somehow the information
is wrong, wrong, and that's the Locknest Monster. But I
should say there's a slight bone of contention in that
in the past six years or so, I've been reading

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up about this phenomenon of what's called rope and rope
n and what ropin are are modern contemporary reports of
flying prehistoric animals lap pterodactyls and toronto dons that people
have claimed to have seen since most of the modern
reports that I've read originate around World War Two or

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just prior up till there's been reports in Minnesota and
Texas and all over the tree at various times. I
should say some people think that what is referred to
in the Southwest as thunderbirds, which are from the eighteen
seventies and sixties, some people think that those were prehistoric
rep flying reptiles anyway, and.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
That's a wonderful concept. I love the idea that there
was a point in the history of this country, the
United States, when there still might have been big old
reptiles flying around. Cool. Uh all right, what orders did
we go?

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Drew?

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
Julia?

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
It's Julia, is it?

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
Julia? Julia? What is your favorite cryptid?

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
Either the or if the jacoalobe counts. I grew up
with a jackalope everywhere all over Texas, so I think
either one that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (01:33:47):
I think you should combine the two of them.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Julia Jack jaal Jack Labor Jack lab.

Speaker 6 (01:33:56):
Let me get my pencil.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
I want to draw that now. All right, Drew, what
about you? I mean, I think we know, but maybe
we don't know. This is tough actually, because I know
you're a NeSSI fan.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
I know you are well okay, So, first of all, Scott,
biological NeSSI can be a bit depressing these days. Got
in your mind, my friend, into the world of a
cult Nessy and that is a wonderful, wonderful rabbit hole
to go down, trust me. So uh, I do love

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a uh, you know, surviving dinosaur cryptid. That is probably
my favorite flavor of cryptid because it tickles both my
love of dinosaurs and my love of weird phenomena. So
I am going to go with a Texas cryptid out
of Big Bin called the Mountain Boomer, which is basically

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a miniature t rex that people see sometimes at night
and it allegedly makes a howling sound, not unlike a wolf,
but it's essentially described as a smaller t Rex.

Speaker 7 (01:35:07):
And wow, I'm gonna look this up.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
It's good stuff. But also I would be remissed if
I did not mention Austin's own carpie out of Ladybird Lake,
our our lovely giant, our lovely giant fish who actually
may or may not be real, because while it's not
quite as big as carpy is purported to be, during

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the pandemic, a guy did fish and eighty five pound
carp out of Ladybird Lake, So that's that's pretty big.
So Mountain Boomers got a big bend. And then in
second place, since I gotta give the hometown cryptid some love,

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carpy from right here in Austin, Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Wonderful, thank you very much. And how about you, Jason,
I have no favorite cryptids, so my fit because but
my my first answer was, what's your favorite crypto and
I was going to say the vanishing hitchhiker, and I'm like, no,
that's not a cryptid, that's a ghost. I don't this
is not one of the big Foot.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Could have to be big call him and you know
Bigfoot is real the program Henderson, we'll go with that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
I was just envisioning the things that would terrorize a
little kid in Oklahoma would probably be, if not Bigfoot,
you know, a a cicada. But if you think about it,
if you had a cicada the size of a dog,
like that would be a scary thing to be in
your house.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Went Bigfoot to cicada, that's hysterical, staring coyotes and oh
I love.

Speaker 6 (01:36:52):
The idea of a cicada the size of the dog
that is, I would run.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
It's got those eyes like right here, and the big
like Jesus Christ, and it's chittering would be so loud
that it would shake the windows.

Speaker 6 (01:37:05):
You know, Yeah, Okay, that's that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
I'm gonna start telling people that we used to have
back in the back in the seventies, before the changes
to the environment, we still had giants, cicadas, and clothes.
And I think people will believe me.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Them.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
We used to shoot them. That's that's why we had
twenty two's was going in the evening just to shoot
some cicadas and bring them back and slice them up.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
Then get it, David, Can you make us a fake
giants cicada?

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Sell?

Speaker 6 (01:37:36):
And yeah, I would, I would love you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
I think you should ship at the Jason, but not
tell him into the box. Yeah, surprise, motherfucker.

Speaker 6 (01:37:54):
Oh that's magnificent.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
Oh my god.

Speaker 6 (01:37:57):
Well be careful watch the mail for the next few months.
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
Uh? Now is there time to do endorsements where where
we just see what what you guys have been up
to and what you've been listening to watching. In theory,
this is in keeping with with Scott's exhortations keep it
in the genre. I failed that routinely, but do your
best to keep it to keep it to the genre.

Speaker 6 (01:38:24):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
So we go back to Mary, Mary, do you have
anything to recommend for us?

Speaker 5 (01:38:29):
I have, in a very very unusual departure from my
from my typical recommendations, I have a game.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
A video game, all right, and it's sort.

Speaker 5 (01:38:40):
Of ooky, spooky, it's it's it gives you that vibe
of sort of haunted house ish it's not actually a
haunted house thing, but it is a good mystery game.
I'm not done with it yet, but it's called blue
Prints B l U E p R I n C E.
And if you've ever played the game Manches of Madness,

(01:39:00):
it scratches the same itch where you have to It's
a strategy game and you have to figure out the
mystery behind this house that you've inherited. I don't want
to spoil too much, but it's extremely fun. If you
are not a video game person, but you like you
like puzzle and things like that, you might like this.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:39:25):
Doctor X recommended that I try it, and I did
on a whim, and I should have waited until the
winter time.

Speaker 6 (01:39:33):
Because it is on your.

Speaker 8 (01:39:34):
Grip on the hand of video gaming and it's.

Speaker 4 (01:39:39):
Just this one video game.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
I don't know, but yeah, it's I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
I think you can actually.

Speaker 5 (01:39:44):
Play it on a bunch of different I think you
can play it on a computer, you can play it
on PlayStation, you can play it on any of these platforms.

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
It's a relatively new game. Elijah Wood likes it. Apparently.

Speaker 5 (01:39:55):
It's a yeah, it's if you're if you're looking for
a good fun game, especially for the winter time.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
Highly recommend this one.

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
And it's very satisfying because you have to actually take
physical notes and the and all of the puzzles and
stuff are analogue the word of the night.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Wow, thank you, thank you very much. All right, David. Yeah, endorsements,
what do you got?

Speaker 6 (01:40:21):
Yes, gladly, gladly. My endorsement is the book Making Monsters
Inside Stories from the creators of Hollywood's most iconic creatures
hutten by knb's Howard.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Berger and the.

Speaker 6 (01:40:36):
King of Nerd journalists Marshall Julius. And we happen to
have these two guys on the podcast about a month ago,
and we had them on a few years ago when
they did their first book, and this move. This book,
in my opinion, is everybody is good, if not better.
It's like an oral history, if you will, monsters in
the movies. But they're not just talking to special makeup
effects artists this time. We're talking to directors and actors

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and composers and writers. And it's got hundreds of interesting
photos and uh, it's it's it's a beauty. It's it's
it's a monster movie or Monster Kids Dream coffee table book.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
That's how I would that sounds like it isn't new.

Speaker 6 (01:41:12):
Yeah, just came out yep, yeah, just came out. Making
Monsters by Howard Berger and uh Marshall Julius.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
And it's already drafting the email to get them on
his uh interview show.

Speaker 6 (01:41:26):
Yeah, yeah, you really need to because they would they
they would love to talk to you. I have no
doubt whatsoever, and they're delightful. In fact, we're gonna we're
gonna be having an episode with Marshall Julius here pretty
soon where we're going to talk about forbidden planet Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
I love forbidden planets.

Speaker 6 (01:41:47):
Anyhow.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
Yeah, that's my wonderful, wonderful tip. Thank you, Thank you
so much, Scott.

Speaker 8 (01:41:53):
You Well, lately I've been doing a lot more reading
than I have in some time. Uh, and I've been
reading a collection of works and I won't give you
this specific title, mostly because it's out of hand, but
also because his works are readily available. And I've been
reading collected works of Richard Matheson, who wrote, of course

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all kinds of screenplays and that were made into either
television shows or television movies or wrote for the movies
too as well, and and originally was a short story writer,
so that and he's I guess that probably the I
don't know, you could argue what's the most famous amongst
his works, but he wrote, you know, the the screenplay

(01:42:36):
and the short story that with William Shatner with their
the man on the wing of the plane and.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
Not at twenty thousand feet.

Speaker 7 (01:42:45):
It was called the Yes, exactly exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:42:48):
So that's what I that's my recommendation, and just grab
a book by Richard Matheson. They're usually entertained.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
I agree, he wrote, I am legend right.

Speaker 7 (01:42:58):
Yes, yes, he's spent.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
We can see the folks on our screen, and Mary
has been replaced by a giant cat.

Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
She's my favorite cryptid.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
I lied, all right, So who have we not drew?
What about you?

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Did you not do?

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
Julia well? In the list that I've seen here, you
come before Julia.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
But I'm telling you, Julia, Julia's before me.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
Julia, Julia, what are your endorsements?

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
I endorse the fiftieth anniversary Jaws. Go see it on
the big screen because it holds up. It's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
It's so good.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
It's so good, like every single bit of it. It's
so suspenseful and great.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
I could.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
I just I was like, knowing all the things I
know about that that movie watching.

Speaker 7 (01:43:50):
Should at this point have.

Speaker 8 (01:43:54):
Reveal my one pet peeve with that movie. And I
do love that movie. Okay, the movie likes to portray
scuba tanks is highly explosive, and you know, like they
get nervous.

Speaker 7 (01:44:11):
He's nervous.

Speaker 8 (01:44:13):
Hooper as nervous as they're loading them into the orca.
And I've I've been a witness to what happens if
you drop a scuba tank and the valve breaks. It
doesn't explode like a hand grenade. What basically happens is
you have a bottle rocket that goes as long as

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it can while the era is expended out of the
tank and it slams into all kinds of things, but
it doesn't blow up like a hand grenade. The same
is true, and I'm pretty sure that at some point
the MythBusters did this as well. If you shoot a
scuba tank with a rifle, it does not blow up
like a hand grenade. You simply punch a hole in

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the tank and that's what happens. And I'm not sure because.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
These were filled with explodium.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
Scott, I.

Speaker 8 (01:45:05):
Love I love the movies and I I as with
historical films, I simply went, this is entertainment.

Speaker 7 (01:45:13):
This is not a documentary. You don't base your reality
on what's real. It's what's real in the film. So anyway,
I love the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:45:25):
So yeah, we learned that that term from you.

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
So it's my favorite thing. Like I say it, every
single time we watch a movie and something blows up,
I'm like, oh, it's filled with explodium.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
We also we also we have not we can't get
over your your praising wikipedias. It means, yeah, it's just
so cool and yes, all right, Drew, Then what what
about uh?

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
First, First of all, I guess I have to say
because I've referenced it a bazillion times during the recording
of this episode. Go to two B look up the
Boggy Creek Monster. It is only an hour and fifteen minutes.
It's a documentary about the Boggy Creek Monster by the
excellent Small Town Monsters crew, who really exhale at making

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folklore and cryptozoology documentaries. There's a ton of them. I
highly recommend checking out all of their films, but this
is a good one to start out with, especially since
it is narrated and starring Lyle Blackburn, who has appeared
on Joe Bob and is the also the front person

(01:46:44):
of one of my favorite psychobilly bands, Ghouletown, So you know,
double the creepiness, double the fun. Aside from that, because
again Free on two be nothing to lose, but your time,
aside from my refrain, will remain the same for the
near future. Go to your local bookstore, grab a clerk,

(01:47:08):
shake them, and say I want to order the Halloween
Man twenty fifth anniversary omnibus right now. Because I can't
stress this enough. Bookstores and comic bookstores are risk averse.
It's not going to magically appear on your shelves. They
have to see that people are interested. This is where

(01:47:28):
you come in. Please, please, please let people know you
want this book. I want to do a volume two
really badly. I have twenty five years of stuff that
I'm sitting on that has never been distributed widely. Years
people have been saying that they want something like this.

(01:47:50):
I have done my part. Now it is your part.
Go out and let the stores know that you want it. Please,
thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:47:57):
I thank The source North of Paul might be in order, yes,
no demand, demand demand. Yeah, as far as the grabbing
the shirt, didn't Jason get into trouble for he did.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
He did, but minus for a good cause. He just
he just wanted to make people listen to see him
moron about horror movies. I'm trying to help people be literate.

Speaker 7 (01:48:25):
Okay, you're very.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
An interview with Withdrew and it is our most recent
episode of Castle Talk where we talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
By the way, Jason. My mother listened to it and
she says that you have a lovely speaking voice, and
you seem very articulate and very smart. And I said, yes,
Jason is one of the smartest people I know, and
he has a wonderful speaking voice. And but I will
I will pass that on. And she just she just
wanted to let that is.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
The nicest thing. I I just the way to warm
the cockles of my heart is to call me articulate.
It just means so much to me.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
She thought, she was very impressed with your vocabulary and
the words you. My mom is is an English major,
so no, non't tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
Let me tell you that. When I met Jason, first
of all, the reason I fell in love with it
was because his voice. And then in high school. We
all call them mistres thesaurus. So he's always had the
vocabulary and the voice.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
I feel like Jason not that to turn this into
the interview part too, because we certainly talked about fantastic
for a lot on that. But I feel like Jason
is the read Richards to my Ben Grim, and that's
why I've made it my job in life to bust
his chops. So you know, I'm keeping you honest, Jason,

(01:49:49):
that all of this makes me uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
So I'm just excited to be Sue Storm.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
Yeah you're a badass.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
Yeah you get to take down Galactus.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (01:50:01):
Also, Jason's pretty easy on the eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
Oh god, he is a handsome man.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Okay, like like the Peter Graves here going there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
Okay, now that you mentioned you do remind me of
a young Peter Graves. There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
I'll take. I'll take. That's very sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
Can we change.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Anything but me listen.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
To the interview that Jason was really good. It was
really good. I talk about fatherhood, We talk about fatherhood.
It's very heartwarming, and Jason is excellent interviewing people.

Speaker 6 (01:50:41):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
We can change the subject.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
Now, Okay, Uh endorsements. I've been so I've been so
heads down that that I've not watched anything that you
didn't watch. So I would also say, Joss, we'll just
We'll just I will endorse.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
That's a good endorsement.

Speaker 1 (01:50:56):
Jos is awesome.

Speaker 8 (01:50:58):
Can I ask a question about specifically about the film
since you saw it? And yes, is there anything that
is materially different about the experience or going to see
the movie with the fiftieth anniversary edition?

Speaker 7 (01:51:13):
Is there?

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
Two things come to mind. First of all, Steven Spielberg
introduces it at the beginning, which is how you do
when there's a big event film. Now, So he shows
up and he says, hey made this movie fifty years ago.
Thanks for coming. But he mentions that they've done it's
this new transfer. It's very very clean, and if you
so choose, you can go see this one that's put
into a three D transfer, which doesn't really do anything.

(01:51:36):
It really really doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
Wait, so we have a for real Jaws three D instead.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
Of the Yes, that's jaw D. But I'm telling you
that it's such a it's such you don't even notice it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
It's it's it just makes it a little.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
Bit more immersive, so that you're kind of like, you know, God,
the jumps here when he's like checking out the boat,
the sunken boat is terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
Yes, so good. And you know he always played in
previous documentaries where he went to watch it in a
movie and listen to the crowd as they freak out
when at the jump scares, and he's just like he
was just so in love with that experience. But for me,
I'd forgotten a lot of the plot. You know, I
had forgotten two things. I'd forgotten the whole early excursion

(01:52:25):
where Richard Dreyfus and the Chief go out on Richard
Dreyfus's yacht to go investigate a little bit, and that
was kind of cool because it's some character stuff and
you totally forget about all of that. And second, Quint
is actually not an asshole all the time. There are
lots of moments when Quint is real concern. He tells Hooper,

(01:52:47):
he goes, listen, if that rope starts to move, you
let go of it. Are you gonna hurt your hands?

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
Chief, I know you don't understand anything that I'm asking you,
So if you're confused, ask me and I'll tell you
we forget that Quint is actually a well rounded individual
and is actually often quite warm to. But yeah, the movie.

Speaker 6 (01:53:10):
He's my favorite character in the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
He's a wonderful character.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
I was I was almost Quin for last Halloween, and
Jamie was going to be sexy Jaws. But because because
we have a new born that it may still have
to happen one day.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
Well, I was just thinking, So Robert Shaw was actually
in his late forties when he was making draws, and
you you look at him and you're just you buy
into this whole grizzled old dude character. But actually he's
Robert Shaw under makeup. Like he's Robert Shaw. He's the
same guy who's the handsome Sheriff of Nottingham at about

(01:53:57):
exactly the same time in whatever that movie was, Robin
and Marion, just like less than ten years earlier, he
was Red Grant and from Russia with love. He's an
actor under makeup. He's not actually Quint. And this is
the first time I was ever because it's on a
giant screen. I was like, oh, wait a minute, that's
Robert Shaw with a beard and with a stupid, you know,

(01:54:18):
costume that he's wearing and you know, it just changed.
It changed my attitude to sort of realize that this
is a part that he's playing. So I will say,
maybe that doesn't make any sense, but anyway, go ahead,
I will.

Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
Say non genre. We also went to see the anniversary
of Hamilton in the theater, the ten year industry, and
that one they actually have a whole little like not
making up, but like you know, a tenth anniversary, like
reminiscing from all the different cast members before the movie.
So that was really neat too.

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
We enjoyed that a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
Yeah, yeah, we've been to a lot of movies. I mean,
the AMC thing. If you can spare the twenty five
bucks of person, you can go to up to four
movies a week. In other words, you can go to
as many movies as you you can stand to go to.
And it is it is a good deal. So we
just that's just our that's our default Friday night date
is just to wander down to the AMC and see
what's playing, you know, and and it's it's really cool.

(01:55:11):
So all right, it's been so fun.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
You guys.

Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
I'm so glad you joined us.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
Yeah, I'm so happy we did this. And I know
that Tony is missing you. He's on stage right now,
but I'm going to see him this weekend at the
Colorado Festival of Horror, and I know that he will
be jealous and sad that he didn't get to hang out.

Speaker 6 (01:55:32):
Give him our give him our love.

Speaker 4 (01:55:34):
You know, we'll just have to do it again soon.

Speaker 1 (01:55:37):
Yes, yeah, just do it for Frankenstein. Just start clamoring. Yeah,
when is Frankenstein?

Speaker 4 (01:55:44):
Oh my god, Yes, that's a great idea.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
God, yes, all right, well let's figure that out.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
And probably a much different caliber film than this one.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
Well it says October seventeenth is when it comes out.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
I think that's the limited theater release.

Speaker 3 (01:56:03):
Oh yeah, Netflix November seven, Netflix November seven.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
Okay, well whatever, so November could be cool. Let's let's
plan on it October.

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
I don't know if I'm going to have time to
go to the movies, like what we could.

Speaker 1 (01:56:21):
Talk this on the Yeah, remember sounds good. Also, uh
my other endorsement value who I will send you guys
links to watch all the bally who we were talking about.
So okay, have a wonderful, wonderful evening. I'm so thankful
that I get to share time with all of you.
You've made my life a better, better experience and and
I mean that my life is is more more enjoyable

(01:56:45):
because you were in it. And and I'm just thankful.
So everybody listening, be kind to one another. Come to
the Facebook page, tell us what your thought. Tell us
that we went on way too long talking about I
don't know Jason's time in Oklahoma. Like whatever you want,
and thank you very much. Have a lovely, lovely, lovely evening.

Speaker 7 (01:57:03):
Bye bye,

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