May 29, 2023 • 40 mins
Tiffany Whitton was born on January 30,1987 in Kennesaw, Georgia. As Tiffany got older, her life began to spiral out of control. She stole from her family and friends and became a habitual liar. Tiffany’s teenage years were a struggle. She became rebellious and quit high school during her sophomore year of high school.
Tiffany began heavily using drugs like OxyContin and worked at different waitress jobs. She also began shoplifting at Walmart regularly. In March of 2011, while living in Dalton, Georgia, Tiffany, was arrested and charged for a home invasion. Tiffany received a prison sentence in 2012. By this time, tension had grown so intense between Tiffany and her mother that Lisa had to practice tough love. She told Tiffany she was done with her daughter until she gave up drugs and her criminal activities. Lisa had hoped this would be the wakeup call Tiffany needed to overcome her troubles and become a responsible mother.
After Tiffany’s release, she would meet and begin dating a single father named Ashley “Red” Caudle. The couple began using crystal meth and other drugs. Friends of the couple described the relationship as toxic and troubled. The two fought regularly.
On September 12, 2013, the couple went to a friend’s home to do drugs. After leaving the friend’s home around midnight, the two arrived at a Marietta, Georgia Walmart at 1 a.m. After an hour, loss prevention employees became suspicious of Tiffany and watched her closely on security cameras.
The couple went to pay for some items at 2 a.m. Although Caudle paid for his items, Tiffany had attempted to steal $20 worth of merchandise.
Loss prevention employees approached and attempted to apprehend Tiffany. One of the employees grabbed Tiffany’s bag. She slid her arm out of the bag, kicked off her flip flops and ran away.
The loss prevention employees didn’t attempt to pursue her. Security cameras captured Tiffany running away from the store. She has never been seen again. The entire incident was capture on video and can be seen online. Tiffany has never been seen again.
If know anything about this case, please contact the Marietta Police Anonymous Tip Line at 770-794-6990. And if you would like to know more about this case, you can also visit the Find Tiffany Whitton Facebook page.
Please also visit my website for more information about my true crime and paranormal newspaper columns at www.themarcabe.com. You can also help support my podcast by purchasing a cup of $5 coffee every month. To help support the podcast, please visit https://www.buymeacoffee.com/catchmykiller. If you would like to contact me about this podcast, please visit my websites www.catchmykiller.com or www.themarcabe.com where you can submit a case.
Tiffany began heavily using drugs like OxyContin and worked at different waitress jobs. She also began shoplifting at Walmart regularly. In March of 2011, while living in Dalton, Georgia, Tiffany, was arrested and charged for a home invasion. Tiffany received a prison sentence in 2012. By this time, tension had grown so intense between Tiffany and her mother that Lisa had to practice tough love. She told Tiffany she was done with her daughter until she gave up drugs and her criminal activities. Lisa had hoped this would be the wakeup call Tiffany needed to overcome her troubles and become a responsible mother.
After Tiffany’s release, she would meet and begin dating a single father named Ashley “Red” Caudle. The couple began using crystal meth and other drugs. Friends of the couple described the relationship as toxic and troubled. The two fought regularly.
On September 12, 2013, the couple went to a friend’s home to do drugs. After leaving the friend’s home around midnight, the two arrived at a Marietta, Georgia Walmart at 1 a.m. After an hour, loss prevention employees became suspicious of Tiffany and watched her closely on security cameras.
The couple went to pay for some items at 2 a.m. Although Caudle paid for his items, Tiffany had attempted to steal $20 worth of merchandise.
Loss prevention employees approached and attempted to apprehend Tiffany. One of the employees grabbed Tiffany’s bag. She slid her arm out of the bag, kicked off her flip flops and ran away.
The loss prevention employees didn’t attempt to pursue her. Security cameras captured Tiffany running away from the store. She has never been seen again. The entire incident was capture on video and can be seen online. Tiffany has never been seen again.
If know anything about this case, please contact the Marietta Police Anonymous Tip Line at 770-794-6990. And if you would like to know more about this case, you can also visit the Find Tiffany Whitton Facebook page.
Please also visit my website for more information about my true crime and paranormal newspaper columns at www.themarcabe.com. You can also help support my podcast by purchasing a cup of $5 coffee every month. To help support the podcast, please visit https://www.buymeacoffee.com/catchmykiller. If you would like to contact me about this podcast, please visit my websites www.catchmykiller.com or www.themarcabe.com where you can submit a case.
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Hello, and welcome to the CatchMy Killer Podcast. Thank you for listening.
My name is Mark. For nearlyeight years, I've written a weekly
newspaper column about true crimes and missingpeople for the Claremont Sun newspaper in Ohio.
With the column and podcast, myobjective has always been to try to
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bring attention to the cases that haven'treceived much media attention, if any at
all. This week's story involves atroubled young Georgia woman named Tiffany Witten.
She had many interpersonal demons that shewas battling, and to make matters even
worse, Tiffany had become involved inalto relationship with a man with an extensive
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criminal record. His name is AshleyRead Coddle. During the early morning hours
of September thirteenth, twenty thirteen,the couple went shopping at a Walmart in
Marietta, Georgia. Tiffany had shopliftedsome merchandise and was apprehended by Walmart loss
prevention staff as she was leaving.Tiffany managed to get away and ran out
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of the front door and into theparking lot. She has never been seen
again. This is the conclusion ofa two part story. Please go back
and listen to the first half ifyou haven't already done so. Tiffany Witten
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was born on January thirtieth, nineteeneighty seven, and Kennesaw, Georgia.
Her mother, Lisa Daniels, haddescribed Tiffany as a happy baby, but
Lisa would become troubled by Tiffany's badbehavior. Lisa Daniels has said that at
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an early age, Tiffany began takingtoys and other items that did not belong
to her. She also began tolie often. As Tiffany got older,
her life would spiral out of control. She continued stealing from her family and
friends and became a habitual liar.Tiffany's teenage years were a struggle. She
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couldn't adapt to schoolwork and had nointerest in school. She became rebellious in
quit high school during her sophomore year. As a child, she had expressed
interest in becoming a veterinarian, butshe would abandon that dream. Tiffany became
pregnant and then gave that child upfor adoption. She would then give birth
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to a second child, but shewould keep the second child, who would
ultimately be raised by Tiffany's mother Lisa. Tiffany began heavily using drugs like oxycotton
and worked at different waitress jobs.She also began to shoplift at Walmart regularly.
She would eventually get caught shoplifting morethan once. In March of two
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and eleven, while living in Dalton, Georgia, Tiffany was arrested and charged
for home invasion. She received aprison sentence in two twelve. By this
time, tension had grown so intensebetween Tiffany and her mother that Lisa had
to practice tough love with her daughter. She told Tiffany that she was done
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communicating with her until she gave updrugs in her criminal activities. Lisa had
hoped this would be the wake upcall Tiffany needed to overcome her troubles and
become a more responsible mother. AfterTiffany's release, she went into drug rehab.
According to Lisa, she appeared tobe making some changes, but this
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will only last for about six weeks. Tiffany would then meet and begin dating
a single father named Ashley Caudle,also known as Red. The couple began
using crystal meth and other drugs.Friends of the couple described the relationship as
toxin and trouble. They fought regularly, and due to Tiffany's drug addictions,
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she couldn't hold a job. Shewould show up high and be unable to
work. She was eventually able tofind a job at a local ihop,
but then she would be fired fortheft. On September twelfth, twenty thirteen,
the couple went to a friend's houseto do drugs. After leaving the
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friends home around midnight, the twoarrived at a Marietta, Georgia Walmart at
one am. After an hour,lost prevention staff became suspicious of Tiffany and
washed her closely on security cameras.The couple went to pay for their items
at two am. Although Coddle paidfor his items, Tiffany had attempted to
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steal twenty dollars worth of merchandise.Lost prevention staff approached and attempted to apprehend
Tiffany. One of the staff membersgrabbed Tiffany's bag. She slid her arm
out of the bag, kicked offher flip flops, and ran away.
While mart's lost prevention staff did notattempt to pursue Tiffany after she ran away,
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security cameras have captured her running awayinto the parking lot, and she
has never been seen again. Theentire incident was captured on video and can
be seen online. For Tiffany's story, I spoke to her mother, Lisa
Daniels. This is the conclusion ofa two part story, and now on
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with the story of Tiffany Witten istold by her mother, Lisa Daniels.
When you and your mother spoke toTiffany's boyfriend, what did you ask him?
I'm sure you asked, where isshe? Tell me about the conversations
that you had with him. Well, my mom talked to him first,
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and she told him about the Walmartletters and he said, yeah, she
shoplifted some stuff in Walmart and gotcaught, but then she got away.
And he said, but they haveher purse and everything. And he said,
yeah, I sure would like tohave that person. I paid a
lot of me for that. Itwas a coach first. That was his
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I'm next moment, she said,really, that's what he's talking about.
The bird not worried about her,And it was just he was very nonchalant
out saying, yeah, I hadn'tseen her, i'n seen her suspense,
have no idea where she is andwhen I talked to him and what he
says he called hospitals looking for her, and that he asked people if they
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had seen her. And I can'tremember who all he said he called.
And I think that his parole officerdid say that he mentioned something to him
about his girlfriend being missing. Thatwas when he got picked up. I
think on a violation that he saidsomething about it. But law enforcement has
had people say, well, hetold me they were walking down Cobb Parkway
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and got in an argument and sheran off, and he didn't see her
again and told somebody else that shewent to rehab. He told somebody else
that she got arrested. He toldfriends that she had got arrested, so
her friends were going to bail herout, and that was when they found
out she wasn't in jail and CobCounty they chat Cobb County, patter springs
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Mary had as she wasn't in anyjail in Cold County anywhere. So he
told several different stories to a lotof people, and none of them were
true. And what he could havesaid to those people if he didn't have
anything to do with it, whydidn't he just say to those people what
happened that they were at Walmart,she got caught shopless thing, she got
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away, ran out, and hehadn't seen her since that's what he told
my mom and me, But that'snot what he was telling everybody else.
When other people started asking questions,he told multiple stories. He did not
seem concerned, and he did nottell us. He did not tell me
at all that and he didn't tellmy mom as far as I know,
unfortunately, as she passed away,But I don't recall her saying that he
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mentioned to her everything that he haddone to try to find her, from
what I understand from speaking them intoanything to try to find her, and
he certainly didn't call us. Now, did Tiffany or her boyfriend friend have
a cell phone? He had acell phone? Did law enforcement check out
her cell phone records? Because I'mwondering if there was any communication between her
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and her boyfriend after she disappeared thatnight. Well, that's a little bit
of a story in itself. Ifound out a few years ago that they
had a pointed the phone record forher phone and it ended up being the
wrong record, so they were neverable to actually get her phone records.
So she had a prepaid phone.I think it was a Metro PCs or
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something like that. We know fromthat night that he walked across a parkway
to the eye Hoops that was acrossthe street where she used to work.
He had friends over there, andhe went in and was asking some of
the people that she knew if theyhad seen her. From what one of
the girls said. He sat outon a bench in front of the eyehop
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and she asked him, why don'tyou Is try calling her? And he
said, because I have her phone, And he had two phones is and
hers with him. Now, whatabout his phone? Did law enforcement check
his phone? Since he's now incustody, I'm assuming at some point in
time they have looked at his phone. Yes, and I knew that there
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were text messages between him and thisother guy named Stephen that we're going back
and forth. But the weird thingis that they were in the same place,
So it didn't make sense that theywere texting back and forth when they
were in the same location. SoI don't think we've ever figured out why
that was. But that always seemsextremely sketchy as well. So my theory
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is that he did find her thatnight is my theory, and assuming that
your theory is correct, they musthave got into some type of an argument
and then possibly that's when something happenedto her. Well, I'm sure that
there was an argument because he wasin that store that night doing a drug
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deal, and he had a lotof cash on him, and he had
a lot of open at the truckthat he was driving, and here she
was shoplifting and he was very angryabout that immediately that he was very upset
about that. Okay, So here'swhat doesn't make a lot of sense to
me. He was angry about hershoplifting because if she got caught, that
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could have led to law enforcements searchinghis vehicle, and if he had some
type of drugs or something along thoselines inside of his vehicle, then that
would have gotten him rested or sentback to prison or whatever for violating probation
or whatever it was. And hehad going on, So then I would
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have to ask why would he riskthis by not paying for her items.
I mean, I'm thinking, ifI'm him and i don't want her to
get arrested for shoplifting, then I'mgoing to pay for her items to avoid
any type of suspicion. So Idid find that kind of strange. Yes,
it doesn't make any sense. AndI did see somewhere that law enforcement
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considers Tiffany's boyfriend as a person ofinterest in her disappearance, but the police
can't prove it. So with thatbeing said, where is the boyfriend today?
And he's in prison. He gotarrested almost one year to the day
after she went missing. It wasin September twenty fourteen, and he got
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arrested in Cherokee County, which ifyou're messing around with drugs, ellen drugs,
that is why you do not wantto get arrested. Because they ended
up sentencing him as a recitivist andhe got a twenty year sentence with mandatory
ten years to serve. So hisearliest possible release, I think is September.
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I don't remember the exact day,but a September twenty twenty four And
I'm going to assume that the policehave had several conversations with him about the
disappearance of Tiffany. So I'll tellyou this that he has been saying for
years that he would take a polygraph, He would take a polygraph. But
when the police were ready to go. When the detective on the case at
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the time, who was John Dawes, he was the head of the cold
case unit that time in Cog County. They had made the arrangements to go
to the prison where he was todo the polygraph. He had the polygrapher
all lined up and they kept Ashleyin from whatever work he was supposed to
perform that day. They kept himthere and when they told him that those
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guys were coming to do the polygraph, he refused, even though he had
been saying for three years before thatthat he would take a polygraph. That's
not unusual. I mean, youhear about it all the time. You
hear the guys at are suspected ofthese crimes screaming to the top of the
lungs that they'll take a wide detectortests to prove their innocence. But yet
when it comes down to it,they have no intention of actually doing it.
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They're just talking, yeah, untilit comes down to brush bacts.
Yeah right. I'm pretty sure thattwo of the most common statements that you'll
hear from any convict or anyone injail is they'll take a lie detector test
to prove that they're innocent, andthen of course they always claim that they
found God. You can always guaranteethat you'll hear those two statements or one
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of them from anyone that's in prison. Yeah, they really did find God.
When they get out of prison,you'll see that. And you do
see that sometimes, but the majorityof the time it's used as a kind
of a chip. I guess,Hey, I found God, so you
should let me out. I don'tknow, and I don't know what his
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case is. I look, Idon't say he does find God because maybe
if he does, I'll find mydaughter, so that would be amazing.
I hope that he does. Now, have you ever visited him since he's
been incarcerated. I mean, youdid know him, so maybe he would
have a change of heart by nowand talk to you about your daughter.
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No. Now, I've had someemail exchanges with him. I'm not currently
on his list. I think heblocked me, but I did have some
email exchanges with him. Now.Doesn't the prison email system go through something
called JPay I think that's what itis. Yes, Yeah, through Jay
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And the last one, the lastexchange that I had with him, well,
the next of the last one waswhere he said he would take the
polygraph, and then the last exchangeI had with him after kicking and stomp
him for three years, telling meyou would take a polygraph and now you
turn it down. So that tellsme everything I need to done. And
I hasn't done with him at toppoint, completely done, and I do
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feel like, look, somebody outthere knows besides him, He didn't do
this by himself. Somebody knows.But the problem is, it's just such
a complicated web of these addicts.Did you use hers? And it's the
craziest thing I've ever seen. Evena lot of very seasoned detectives are like,
yeah, I've just never tried tounravel anything like this before. It's
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crazy the people that are involved,and they're all drug addicts. So it's
somebody getting clean and possibly finding Jesusto come forward. I don't know.
I don't know why somebody hasn't comeforward by now, because people don't just
vanish from the face of the earthwithout a trace, dead or alive.
She's out there somewhere, and I'mguessing that whatever happened to her happened to
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her on the evening that she disappeared. Yes, Yes, I would say
so. After Tiffany's disappearance, shehas never contacted her family, friends,
or anyone else. Her mother,Lisa, said that Tiffany would have contacted
someone had she simply ran away.Unfortunately, Lisa believes that something sinister happened
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to her daughter, and she hasalso accepted the fact that she will probably
never see Tiffany alive again. We'lltake a short break and return with Lisa's
thoughts on what could have happened toTiffany after she ran away from Walmart's loss
prevention staff. Unfortunately, based oneverything that you've told me, it doesn't
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sound like Tiffany's alive anymore. Becauseeven if you take someone with addiction issues,
they still will contact someone. Ifthey don't contact their family, they
have friends, or they have someonethat they will reach out to for help.
Thinking about that night, your daughterknew she had violated her probation.
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I'm sure as she was running throughthe parking lot she realized this and she
probably thought, well, it lookslike I'm going back to jail again.
So surely she would have wanted todiscuss that with someone. Yep, they
contact somebody right right, and thinkabout how traumatic this was for her.
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I mean, she knows she shoplifted, she got caught, and she knows
that she's going back to jail.If that's not trauma, I don't know
what else would be. And I'msure she was definitely concerned about it.
Yes, yes, it's not evenjust that she's females, so I'm female.
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I know how that works. It'slike, when something this big happens
in your life, whether you needhelp or not, you want to tell
somebody about it. And the waythat she was, yeah, the way
that she was on Facebook and constantlycommunicating with people, there would have been
some signs that she got Facebook andfight. Dude, you are not going
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to believe what just happened to me? Right, And as you said,
she liked to tell what she wasdoing and share it on Facebook. But
yet nothing So after she gets caughtshoplifting and gets away, there's not a
peep out of her on Facebook,which would be unlikely because as you said,
she shares everything on Facebook, orshe did, right, Hey,
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can you hide me out? Doyou know what he plays? God?
No sign of that. And sogranted granted he did have her phone,
said there's that she didn't have aphone. She didn't have any shoes,
so she didn't go far on footbarefootedge. Okay, I can tell you
that right now. So there area limited number of things that could have
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happened. Could she have hit Sharadwith the wrong person, Yeah, that's
a possibility. I think it's Itwould be a huge coincidence that she was
with a drug dealer who was probablygoing to be extremely mad at her that
she was shot, left them whenhe had a pocket full of cash and
drugs in his car. But shehit Sharad with the one person on Cole
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Parkway at two o'clock in the morning, you know, who was a sex
trafficker. Could it have happened?Is it within the Roman posionality? Of
course it is. I don't wantto think that way. I don't want
to believe that's what happened, becausethat's worse than believing that she's gone.
Honestly, that's worse to me.Yeah, Well, here's the problem that
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I would have with a stranger abductiontheory. Has she got taken by a
stranger. I'm thinking that a boyfriendwould have been more involved in looking for
her, and he probably would havetaken that lie detector test. He probably
would have thought, well, I'lltake it because I know I had nothing
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to do with her disappearance. Buthim not taking it, and then he's
given different stories about what happened toher that night, it's all really suspect.
Yeah, exactly exactly. I've takenclasses on how to spot liars,
and one of the things that theinstructor taught us was that when people tell
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the truth, they'll stick to thatstory all the time, and then if
you ask them a week later,they'll tell you the same story. And
then say you asked five months downthe road, they'll tell you the same
story. Now, if they liedto you, then they have to keep
trying to remember what they told youthe previous time, and the way the
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memory works, that's not really possiblebecause as we age, we forget things.
I'm sure if you asked him today, he would have a different story
or he would add new details.And based on what I learned and spotting
liars in that training course I took, the boyfriend has all the sign of
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lying about what happened to your daughteron that night, right, Because yes,
the difference between a truth and alie, the truth never changes.
If this is what happened. Thenanybody who asked you, this is what
you're going to tell them. Butwhy is it that everybody who asked you
got a different story, including hisbaby mama. Baby mama said that he
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told her that she went to rehab, and so baby mama said, well,
why is all of her stuff stillhere? And he didn't have any
explanation for that. Well, shedidn't need it. She would rehab that
he still had all of her stuff. Now do you know if law enforcement
has gone back and interviewed the boyfriendand former girlfriends, friends, former co
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workers, booking, any of thosepeople and asked them if he's ever mentioned
anything about your daughter's disappearance? Haslaw enforcement spoken his friends and family about
that subject? They have? Theyhave, Yeah, a lot of people
have said things. There's one guy. I'm not going to mention names here,
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but I will tell you that therewas a female who was in jail
in Cobb County who got in touchwith Detective Mueller, who was on the
case at that time, and soDetective Muller went out to talk to her
and she told her that, hey, my boyfriend told me that he was
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there that he knows what happened toTiffany, and so she told detective Mueller
that her boyfriend said that he wasstaying at the same house where Tiffany and
Ashley were staying, and that theydid come in after the whole Walmart incident,
that they came back home together,and that at some point I'm not
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real clear because this whole thing atWalmart happened at two in the morning,
so I'm not really clear if whathe described to his girlfriend happened at some
time in the morning or it wasthe following evening. Who knows. They're
all messed up on drugs, soday and night probably doesn't really click.
So the girlfriend tells Detective Maler thather boyfriend heard of emotion in the room
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next door. He came out ofthe room that he was sleeping in,
and Ashley was in the hallway verydistressed. Instead, Oh my god,
Hilder, they had been a fightand he choked her, and so Ashley
tells this guy, you're gonna helpme get rid of her, otherwise I'm
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gonna say you did it, orI'm gonna say you helped me, or
whatever kind of threatened him that you'regoing to help me get rid of the
body, and he even told hisgirlfriend where they went to bury the body,
and so Detective Muller they go lookingfor him, this guy. When
they find out where he is,they go to this house. He runs
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out the back door. They chasethem down, and the first question or
the first words out of his mouthwhen they finally caught him, was you're
here about Tiftic. Okay, whywould he say that? So he tried
to claim later that the all thereason why he ran was because he thought
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they were there to serve a warrant. Well, he's been in the system
long enough to know detectives don't cometo serve warrants like for failure. True,
that's the Sheriff's department. He knowsthat. So he didn't think that
they were there to serve a warrant. That's bs. And they did talk
to him, even one of theassistant das talked to him, and they
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even took him when they decided togo to the site where this young man's
girlfriend claimed that they had taken Tiphany. They actually went to that site with
cadaver dogs with an excavator that excavatedsome fight from the property. They got
him out of jail took him outthere, and Detective Muller said, look,
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okay, without admitting anything, ifyou were going to bury a body
out here, where would you burya body? You know? Hypothetical and
I think he pointed out a coupleof possible locations, but he was just
real withdrawn, really didn't want tosay anything. And Detective Muller showed him
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a picture of something that Pattie haddrawn that said, by missy mommy,
it was just really sweet. Andwhen she showed him that picture, he
broke down in tears. This guyright here knows something. I've been saying
it for years that he knows something, and he has said they actually thought
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that they had him close to breaking, and then an attorney that was in
the room was like, hold up, do you want to talk to me
alone without them in the room,And that was it. He claimed up
after those he never said anything outAnd I've even tried talking to him.
I emailed with him when he wasin prison, and he claims that because
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I even accused him of killing herjust to try to get his goat up.
And I said, well, youknow what, maybe the reason why
you don't want to say anything isbecause maybe you're the one who told her.
Maybe you did it, and you'retrying to put it on him,
And he got real angry and hegoes, I'm a lot of things,
and I'm not a good person,but I'm not a killer. And I
believe him. I don't think thathe did have anything to do with it,
but I do say I do believethe story that he that the girlfriend
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told because later, you know,after all of this, she was still
in jail, and she was actuallyhoused in Paulding County, and that's another
whole story, even though it wasunder a Cow County arrest. And I
did a video visit with her whenshe was in Paulding County and I said,
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look, all I want to know. I know the story that you
told detective more about your boyfriend.And the only thing, the only question
I had for you to have foryou because I think that you believed him
and that's why you came forward.Do you still believe him? Do you
think that the story that he toldyou was the truth? And she said,
yes, ma'am, I do,and she was in tears when she
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said it. I do believe withall my heart that this guy knows And
when was the last time you triedtalking to this guy. It's been several
years ago, because it was beforewe moved here. We've been here for
two years. That may have beenup three years ago. Maybe you could
try talking to him again. Yeah, I don't know where he is right
now. He was to talk tothem because he was in prison. That
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I always check, and he's notin prison now. I just checked last
Friday, unless he got picked upover the weekend, which I know a
lot of times. I will checkon Mondays to see if he's in a
Cobb County. He shouldn't be toohard to find. Yeah, if he's
in jail, he's not hard tofind. I can find him as he's
in jail. Well, you couldalso try to hire a PI or they
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have those websites that have information ondifferent people. In the past, I've
subscribed to a few of them,and I think a lot of the times
they are accurate. They could tellyou where the person lives and provide former
addresses, So who knows. Maybesomething like that could be helpful too,
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if you do want to try toget a hold of the sky again.
None of them, yeah, buta lot of them. Yeah, Yeah,
trust me. These guys that you'renot going to put them down on
one of those websites. It's theonly way that I'm ever able to locate
them is I'll find in jail.I'll either find him in Cobb County,
usually Cobb County, sometimes it's Fallsing, sometimes Douglas, occasionally Culton County.
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I have access to all those websitesin Georgia DSc, so I know that
right now. One of the peoplethat I really want them to talk to
is Tiffany's cousin that she was reallyclose to, because I think that he
might have some information that would behelpful. And right now he's in prison.
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But the last time I told themhe's in prison, you need to
go and talk to him, theyput it off and put it off and
put it off until he was releasedand then nobody can find So I just
checked on Friday and he's back inprison, so I'll let the detectives know
that he's there. And I alsofound out that Ashley Caudle's brother is also
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imprison right now, and I feellike if anybody knows if he would have
confided in anyone, it would behis brother to knowledge. They've not talk
to his brother. His brother's nameis Task. I don't think they've ever
talked to him, and I thinkhe would be a good one to talk
to, you know, not sayingthat he had anything to do with it,
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but I just feel like a bachelorwas going to confide in anybody that
would be him. We will goahead and take a final break and return
with Lisa's closing thoughts at Tiffany andthe law enforcement agency that's handling her daughter's
disappearance and how she's using social mediato get Tiffany's story out to the public.
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Okay, and can you tell meabout the police department that is handling
Tiffany's case for anyone that's listening,and if it's possible that they have a
tip, who they need to contact. So last year, a city of
Marietta turned the case over to CobCounty because Cobb County is bigger, they
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have more resources, and so currentlyDetective Cook from Cobb County Major Crimes is
the one who's in charge of thecase. Cobb County Police Department. So
the Sheriff's Department, my brother actuallyworks for the Sheriff's department, and unfortunately
they're not the ones investigating the case, but it is Cobb County Detective Cook.
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So she just took over the caselast year late last year, and
there have been several Detective Muller probablymade the most headway. She's the one
who actually got the first statement fromAshley Caudle, and that was what she
had said to me was, look, I'm going to have him in here
for not arresting him. We justwant to talk to him because I want
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to get him locked into a story. And so she did that pretty early
on. And then when he gotarrested, they did a drug raide at
a house in Powder Springs and hewas a part of that. And when
he was in jail, they haveall of the jail calls of course,
and visits are all recorded, sothere's video of him. You might have
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read about this in the Squire storythat there's video of him with this girlfriend
that came to visit him, andhe holds up one of the flyers,
the missing flyers, and says,yes, they think I killed this bitch,
is how he says it. AndI know that you have a Facebook
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page for this case. Can youtell me where that can be found?
I do have a Facebook page.It's fine. Tiffany Winton, and we
have a good amount of followers onthere, and whenever a podcast comes out,
or any kind of a story orarticle, anything at all, I
do try to share that on theFacebook page because it does keep interest up.
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I mean, the interest kind ofwanes and it's hard for me to
some days. You know, therewas a while there where I was supposed
to say I think every single day, and now I don't post this often
because there's just not no new informationfor me to So I do try to
use that page to help other peoplewho loved one's min I'm sure you probably
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know this, but a lot ofpeople will just be amazed at how many
people go missings in this country everyday, especially young women, and who
are never found, who are neverfound. And the most difficult part is
to not knowing, not about notknowing what happened, but just not knowing
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is she still out there? Isshe being held against her will? Which
I'll tell you I highly doubt,because that girl would fight to the death
before somebody's going to hold her againsther will. How do you know that?
I strongly believe that about her.And so when people bring up several
people more than I can count havebrought up, Well, she might have
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gotten sex traffics, and I don'tlike to think about that. I really
don't. But I do believe she'sa wildcat. That girl would fight to
the death before you profit her,so she'd rather die. So I don't
believe that that's what happened to her. I truly do not. I just
won't let my mind go there.But I don't need to know what happened
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as much as I just need tobe able to put her to rest and
have I don't know that closure isthe right word. I don't know that
I'll ever have closure. Do youbelieve I'll see her again one day?
You know, not on this earth. And I firmly believe that God has
a plan and all of this,and I may never know while I'm alive
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on this earth what that plan is, but one day i'll know. One
day I'll know all and that's whatThat's what sustains me. Does that take
okay? And the last question thatI would have for you is for anyone
out there who's listening to the soundof your voice, if they know anything
about what happened to Tiffany, whatwould you say to that person? And
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her persons. I've said before topeople, especially if it's somebody who knows
her and was friendly with her,and have told people this before, that
she would have done it for you. She would have come forward. You
know, if it was somebody thatshe knew was missing and she knew what
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happened, she would come forward.I do know that about her. She
would not let something like that go. If she could give a family answers
to what happened to their loved one, that she would do that. And
all I need is for somebody tocome forward and say, look, I
know what happened, I know whereshe is. I'm not even looking for
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any kind of vengeance. I mean, at this point, even if she
were found, if she were foundtoday, chances of them being able to
prove who did it and how areswim tone. It would be very difficult
to prove, you know, unlessshe had i'd forbidable at all in her
skull. I think it would bevery difficult to prove what happened to her.
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And I don't have any desire topunish Ashley Caudle to say I know
you did this, and I'm goingto make sure you pay for it.
I just want to know where mydaughter is. I don't care about having,
you know, God to hold themresponsible. I don't have to do
that. I don't have to dothat. I just want to know where
my daughter is so that she canrest in peace. That's it. He
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is where she can be located,then please just come forward. I will
not you know, nobody's going totry to go after you or anything like
that. And I've even told lawenforcement this that make a deal with him,
you know, if he's willing totell where she is in exchange for
not getting jail, tom or whatever, make the deal. That's all I
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want. I just want to knowwhere she is. And that concludes Tiffany's
story. Tiffany has been missing fornearly a decade. What happened to her
after she was last seen fleeing froma Marietta, Georgia walmart. She has
never been seen again. Her motherdoesn't think that law enforcement has taken her
case seriously because of her addictions andpast issues with the law. Regardless of
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Tiffany's issues with drugs and the law, she still deserves a chance at life,
a chance to reconcile her differences withher family. Someone out there knows
what happened to her. Her boyfriend, Ashley Coddle, has said that he
never saw Tiffany again after she fledfrom Walmart loss prevention employees, but he
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has told different people different stories.According to Lisa Daniels, he is currently
incarcerated and denies harming Tiffany. Doyou know what happened to Tiffany Witten on
the night that she vanished into thedarkness? If you know anything about this
case, please contact the Mariette toGeorgia Police anonymous tipline at seven seven zero
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seven nine four six nine nine zero. And if you would like to know
more about this case, you canalso visit the Fine Tiffany Witten Facebook page.
I will be sure to provide thisinformation in the case story notes.
And if you are a parent,law enforcement official, friend, or relatives
you can justice for an unsolved Thomasside case. Please visit my website and
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complete the contact form. You canalso contact me through Facebook. Thank you
for listening.
Hello, and welcome to the CatchMy Killer Podcast. Thank you for listening.
My name is Mark. For nearlyeight years, I've written a weekly
newspaper column about true crimes and missingpeople for the Claremont Sun newspaper in Ohio.
With the column and podcast, myobjective has always been to try to
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bring attention to the cases that haven'treceived much media attention, if any at
all. This week's story involves atroubled young Georgia woman named Tiffany Witten.
She had many interpersonal demons that shewas battling, and to make matters even
worse, Tiffany had become involved inalto relationship with a man with an extensive
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criminal record. His name is AshleyRead Coddle. During the early morning hours
of September thirteenth, twenty thirteen,the couple went shopping at a Walmart in
Marietta, Georgia. Tiffany had shopliftedsome merchandise and was apprehended by Walmart loss
prevention staff as she was leaving.Tiffany managed to get away and ran out
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of the front door and into theparking lot. She has never been seen
again. This is the conclusion ofa two part story. Please go back
and listen to the first half ifyou haven't already done so. Tiffany Witten
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was born on January thirtieth, nineteeneighty seven, and Kennesaw, Georgia.
Her mother, Lisa Daniels, haddescribed Tiffany as a happy baby, but
Lisa would become troubled by Tiffany's badbehavior. Lisa Daniels has said that at
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an early age, Tiffany began takingtoys and other items that did not belong
to her. She also began tolie often. As Tiffany got older,
her life would spiral out of control. She continued stealing from her family and
friends and became a habitual liar.Tiffany's teenage years were a struggle. She
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couldn't adapt to schoolwork and had nointerest in school. She became rebellious in
quit high school during her sophomore year. As a child, she had expressed
interest in becoming a veterinarian, butshe would abandon that dream. Tiffany became
pregnant and then gave that child upfor adoption. She would then give birth
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to a second child, but shewould keep the second child, who would
ultimately be raised by Tiffany's mother Lisa. Tiffany began heavily using drugs like oxycotton
and worked at different waitress jobs.She also began to shoplift at Walmart regularly.
She would eventually get caught shoplifting morethan once. In March of two
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and eleven, while living in Dalton, Georgia, Tiffany was arrested and charged
for home invasion. She received aprison sentence in two twelve. By this
time, tension had grown so intensebetween Tiffany and her mother that Lisa had
to practice tough love with her daughter. She told Tiffany that she was done
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communicating with her until she gave updrugs in her criminal activities. Lisa had
hoped this would be the wake upcall Tiffany needed to overcome her troubles and
become a more responsible mother. AfterTiffany's release, she went into drug rehab.
According to Lisa, she appeared tobe making some changes, but this
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will only last for about six weeks. Tiffany would then meet and begin dating
a single father named Ashley Caudle,also known as Red. The couple began
using crystal meth and other drugs.Friends of the couple described the relationship as
toxin and trouble. They fought regularly, and due to Tiffany's drug addictions,
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she couldn't hold a job. Shewould show up high and be unable to
work. She was eventually able tofind a job at a local ihop,
but then she would be fired fortheft. On September twelfth, twenty thirteen,
the couple went to a friend's houseto do drugs. After leaving the
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friends home around midnight, the twoarrived at a Marietta, Georgia Walmart at
one am. After an hour,lost prevention staff became suspicious of Tiffany and
washed her closely on security cameras.The couple went to pay for their items
at two am. Although Coddle paidfor his items, Tiffany had attempted to
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steal twenty dollars worth of merchandise.Lost prevention staff approached and attempted to apprehend
Tiffany. One of the staff membersgrabbed Tiffany's bag. She slid her arm
out of the bag, kicked offher flip flops, and ran away.
While mart's lost prevention staff did notattempt to pursue Tiffany after she ran away,
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security cameras have captured her running awayinto the parking lot, and she
has never been seen again. Theentire incident was captured on video and can
be seen online. For Tiffany's story, I spoke to her mother, Lisa
Daniels. This is the conclusion ofa two part story, and now on
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with the story of Tiffany Witten istold by her mother, Lisa Daniels.
When you and your mother spoke toTiffany's boyfriend, what did you ask him?
I'm sure you asked, where isshe? Tell me about the conversations
that you had with him. Well, my mom talked to him first,
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and she told him about the Walmartletters and he said, yeah, she
shoplifted some stuff in Walmart and gotcaught, but then she got away.
And he said, but they haveher purse and everything. And he said,
yeah, I sure would like tohave that person. I paid a
lot of me for that. Itwas a coach first. That was his
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I'm next moment, she said,really, that's what he's talking about.
The bird not worried about her,And it was just he was very nonchalant
out saying, yeah, I hadn'tseen her, i'n seen her suspense,
have no idea where she is andwhen I talked to him and what he
says he called hospitals looking for her, and that he asked people if they
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had seen her. And I can'tremember who all he said he called.
And I think that his parole officerdid say that he mentioned something to him
about his girlfriend being missing. Thatwas when he got picked up. I
think on a violation that he saidsomething about it. But law enforcement has
had people say, well, hetold me they were walking down Cobb Parkway
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and got in an argument and sheran off, and he didn't see her
again and told somebody else that shewent to rehab. He told somebody else
that she got arrested. He toldfriends that she had got arrested, so
her friends were going to bail herout, and that was when they found
out she wasn't in jail and CobCounty they chat Cobb County, patter springs
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Mary had as she wasn't in anyjail in Cold County anywhere. So he
told several different stories to a lotof people, and none of them were
true. And what he could havesaid to those people if he didn't have
anything to do with it, whydidn't he just say to those people what
happened that they were at Walmart,she got caught shopless thing, she got
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away, ran out, and hehadn't seen her since that's what he told
my mom and me, But that'snot what he was telling everybody else.
When other people started asking questions,he told multiple stories. He did not
seem concerned, and he did nottell us. He did not tell me
at all that and he didn't tellmy mom as far as I know,
unfortunately, as she passed away,But I don't recall her saying that he
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mentioned to her everything that he haddone to try to find her, from
what I understand from speaking them intoanything to try to find her, and
he certainly didn't call us. Now, did Tiffany or her boyfriend friend have
a cell phone? He had acell phone? Did law enforcement check out
her cell phone records? Because I'mwondering if there was any communication between her
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and her boyfriend after she disappeared thatnight. Well, that's a little bit
of a story in itself. Ifound out a few years ago that they
had a pointed the phone record forher phone and it ended up being the
wrong record, so they were neverable to actually get her phone records.
So she had a prepaid phone.I think it was a Metro PCs or
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something like that. We know fromthat night that he walked across a parkway
to the eye Hoops that was acrossthe street where she used to work.
He had friends over there, andhe went in and was asking some of
the people that she knew if theyhad seen her. From what one of
the girls said. He sat outon a bench in front of the eyehop
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and she asked him, why don'tyou Is try calling her? And he
said, because I have her phone, And he had two phones is and
hers with him. Now, whatabout his phone? Did law enforcement check
his phone? Since he's now incustody, I'm assuming at some point in
time they have looked at his phone. Yes, and I knew that there
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were text messages between him and thisother guy named Stephen that we're going back
and forth. But the weird thingis that they were in the same place,
So it didn't make sense that theywere texting back and forth when they
were in the same location. SoI don't think we've ever figured out why
that was. But that always seemsextremely sketchy as well. So my theory
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is that he did find her thatnight is my theory, and assuming that
your theory is correct, they musthave got into some type of an argument
and then possibly that's when something happenedto her. Well, I'm sure that
there was an argument because he wasin that store that night doing a drug
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deal, and he had a lotof cash on him, and he had
a lot of open at the truckthat he was driving, and here she
was shoplifting and he was very angryabout that immediately that he was very upset
about that. Okay, So here'swhat doesn't make a lot of sense to
me. He was angry about hershoplifting because if she got caught, that
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could have led to law enforcements searchinghis vehicle, and if he had some
type of drugs or something along thoselines inside of his vehicle, then that
would have gotten him rested or sentback to prison or whatever for violating probation
or whatever it was. And hehad going on, So then I would
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have to ask why would he riskthis by not paying for her items.
I mean, I'm thinking, ifI'm him and i don't want her to
get arrested for shoplifting, then I'mgoing to pay for her items to avoid
any type of suspicion. So Idid find that kind of strange. Yes,
it doesn't make any sense. AndI did see somewhere that law enforcement
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considers Tiffany's boyfriend as a person ofinterest in her disappearance, but the police
can't prove it. So with thatbeing said, where is the boyfriend today?
And he's in prison. He gotarrested almost one year to the day
after she went missing. It wasin September twenty fourteen, and he got
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arrested in Cherokee County, which ifyou're messing around with drugs, ellen drugs,
that is why you do not wantto get arrested. Because they ended
up sentencing him as a recitivist andhe got a twenty year sentence with mandatory
ten years to serve. So hisearliest possible release, I think is September.
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I don't remember the exact day,but a September twenty twenty four And
I'm going to assume that the policehave had several conversations with him about the
disappearance of Tiffany. So I'll tellyou this that he has been saying for
years that he would take a polygraph, He would take a polygraph. But
when the police were ready to go. When the detective on the case at
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the time, who was John Dawes, he was the head of the cold
case unit that time in Cog County. They had made the arrangements to go
to the prison where he was todo the polygraph. He had the polygrapher
all lined up and they kept Ashleyin from whatever work he was supposed to
perform that day. They kept himthere and when they told him that those
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guys were coming to do the polygraph, he refused, even though he had
been saying for three years before thatthat he would take a polygraph. That's
not unusual. I mean, youhear about it all the time. You
hear the guys at are suspected ofthese crimes screaming to the top of the
lungs that they'll take a wide detectortests to prove their innocence. But yet
when it comes down to it,they have no intention of actually doing it.
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They're just talking, yeah, untilit comes down to brush bacts.
Yeah right. I'm pretty sure thattwo of the most common statements that you'll
hear from any convict or anyone injail is they'll take a lie detector test
to prove that they're innocent, andthen of course they always claim that they
found God. You can always guaranteethat you'll hear those two statements or one
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of them from anyone that's in prison. Yeah, they really did find God.
When they get out of prison,you'll see that. And you do
see that sometimes, but the majorityof the time it's used as a kind
of a chip. I guess,Hey, I found God, so you
should let me out. I don'tknow, and I don't know what his
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case is. I look, Idon't say he does find God because maybe
if he does, I'll find mydaughter, so that would be amazing.
I hope that he does. Now, have you ever visited him since he's
been incarcerated. I mean, youdid know him, so maybe he would
have a change of heart by nowand talk to you about your daughter.
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No. Now, I've had someemail exchanges with him. I'm not currently
on his list. I think heblocked me, but I did have some
email exchanges with him. Now.Doesn't the prison email system go through something
called JPay I think that's what itis. Yes, Yeah, through Jay
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And the last one, the lastexchange that I had with him, well,
the next of the last one waswhere he said he would take the
polygraph, and then the last exchangeI had with him after kicking and stomp
him for three years, telling meyou would take a polygraph and now you
turn it down. So that tellsme everything I need to done. And
I hasn't done with him at toppoint, completely done, and I do
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feel like, look, somebody outthere knows besides him, He didn't do
this by himself. Somebody knows.But the problem is, it's just such
a complicated web of these addicts.Did you use hers? And it's the
craziest thing I've ever seen. Evena lot of very seasoned detectives are like,
yeah, I've just never tried tounravel anything like this before. It's
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crazy the people that are involved,and they're all drug addicts. So it's
somebody getting clean and possibly finding Jesusto come forward. I don't know.
I don't know why somebody hasn't comeforward by now, because people don't just
vanish from the face of the earthwithout a trace, dead or alive.
She's out there somewhere, and I'mguessing that whatever happened to her happened to
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her on the evening that she disappeared. Yes, Yes, I would say
so. After Tiffany's disappearance, shehas never contacted her family, friends,
or anyone else. Her mother,Lisa, said that Tiffany would have contacted
someone had she simply ran away.Unfortunately, Lisa believes that something sinister happened
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to her daughter, and she hasalso accepted the fact that she will probably
never see Tiffany alive again. We'lltake a short break and return with Lisa's
thoughts on what could have happened toTiffany after she ran away from Walmart's loss
prevention staff. Unfortunately, based oneverything that you've told me, it doesn't
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sound like Tiffany's alive anymore. Becauseeven if you take someone with addiction issues,
they still will contact someone. Ifthey don't contact their family, they
have friends, or they have someonethat they will reach out to for help.
Thinking about that night, your daughterknew she had violated her probation.
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I'm sure as she was running throughthe parking lot she realized this and she
probably thought, well, it lookslike I'm going back to jail again.
So surely she would have wanted todiscuss that with someone. Yep, they
contact somebody right right, and thinkabout how traumatic this was for her.
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I mean, she knows she shoplifted, she got caught, and she knows
that she's going back to jail.If that's not trauma, I don't know
what else would be. And I'msure she was definitely concerned about it.
Yes, yes, it's not evenjust that she's females, so I'm female.
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I know how that works. It'slike, when something this big happens
in your life, whether you needhelp or not, you want to tell
somebody about it. And the waythat she was, yeah, the way
that she was on Facebook and constantlycommunicating with people, there would have been
some signs that she got Facebook andfight. Dude, you are not going
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to believe what just happened to me? Right, And as you said,
she liked to tell what she wasdoing and share it on Facebook. But
yet nothing So after she gets caughtshoplifting and gets away, there's not a
peep out of her on Facebook,which would be unlikely because as you said,
she shares everything on Facebook, orshe did, right, Hey,
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can you hide me out? Doyou know what he plays? God?
No sign of that. And sogranted granted he did have her phone,
said there's that she didn't have aphone. She didn't have any shoes,
so she didn't go far on footbarefootedge. Okay, I can tell you
that right now. So there area limited number of things that could have
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happened. Could she have hit Sharadwith the wrong person, Yeah, that's
a possibility. I think it's Itwould be a huge coincidence that she was
with a drug dealer who was probablygoing to be extremely mad at her that
she was shot, left them whenhe had a pocket full of cash and
drugs in his car. But shehit Sharad with the one person on Cole
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Parkway at two o'clock in the morning, you know, who was a sex
trafficker. Could it have happened?Is it within the Roman posionality? Of
course it is. I don't wantto think that way. I don't want
to believe that's what happened, becausethat's worse than believing that she's gone.
Honestly, that's worse to me.Yeah, Well, here's the problem that
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I would have with a stranger abductiontheory. Has she got taken by a
stranger. I'm thinking that a boyfriendwould have been more involved in looking for
her, and he probably would havetaken that lie detector test. He probably
would have thought, well, I'lltake it because I know I had nothing
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to do with her disappearance. Buthim not taking it, and then he's
given different stories about what happened toher that night, it's all really suspect.
Yeah, exactly exactly. I've takenclasses on how to spot liars,
and one of the things that theinstructor taught us was that when people tell
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the truth, they'll stick to thatstory all the time, and then if
you ask them a week later,they'll tell you the same story. And
then say you asked five months downthe road, they'll tell you the same
story. Now, if they liedto you, then they have to keep
trying to remember what they told youthe previous time, and the way the
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memory works, that's not really possiblebecause as we age, we forget things.
I'm sure if you asked him today, he would have a different story
or he would add new details.And based on what I learned and spotting
liars in that training course I took, the boyfriend has all the sign of
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lying about what happened to your daughteron that night, right, Because yes,
the difference between a truth and alie, the truth never changes.
If this is what happened. Thenanybody who asked you, this is what
you're going to tell them. Butwhy is it that everybody who asked you
got a different story, including hisbaby mama. Baby mama said that he
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told her that she went to rehab, and so baby mama said, well,
why is all of her stuff stillhere? And he didn't have any
explanation for that. Well, shedidn't need it. She would rehab that
he still had all of her stuff. Now do you know if law enforcement
has gone back and interviewed the boyfriendand former girlfriends, friends, former co
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workers, booking, any of thosepeople and asked them if he's ever mentioned
anything about your daughter's disappearance? Haslaw enforcement spoken his friends and family about
that subject? They have? Theyhave, Yeah, a lot of people
have said things. There's one guy. I'm not going to mention names here,
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but I will tell you that therewas a female who was in jail
in Cobb County who got in touchwith Detective Mueller, who was on the
case at that time, and soDetective Muller went out to talk to her
and she told her that, hey, my boyfriend told me that he was
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there that he knows what happened toTiffany, and so she told detective Mueller
that her boyfriend said that he wasstaying at the same house where Tiffany and
Ashley were staying, and that theydid come in after the whole Walmart incident,
that they came back home together,and that at some point I'm not
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real clear because this whole thing atWalmart happened at two in the morning,
so I'm not really clear if whathe described to his girlfriend happened at some
time in the morning or it wasthe following evening. Who knows. They're
all messed up on drugs, soday and night probably doesn't really click.
So the girlfriend tells Detective Maler thather boyfriend heard of emotion in the room
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next door. He came out ofthe room that he was sleeping in,
and Ashley was in the hallway verydistressed. Instead, Oh my god,
Hilder, they had been a fightand he choked her, and so Ashley
tells this guy, you're gonna helpme get rid of her, otherwise I'm
(24:56):
gonna say you did it, orI'm gonna say you helped me, or
whatever kind of threatened him that you'regoing to help me get rid of the
body, and he even told hisgirlfriend where they went to bury the body,
and so Detective Muller they go lookingfor him, this guy. When
they find out where he is,they go to this house. He runs
(25:18):
out the back door. They chasethem down, and the first question or
the first words out of his mouthwhen they finally caught him, was you're
here about Tiftic. Okay, whywould he say that? So he tried
to claim later that the all thereason why he ran was because he thought
(25:41):
they were there to serve a warrant. Well, he's been in the system
long enough to know detectives don't cometo serve warrants like for failure. True,
that's the Sheriff's department. He knowsthat. So he didn't think that
they were there to serve a warrant. That's bs. And they did talk
to him, even one of theassistant das talked to him, and they
(26:02):
even took him when they decided togo to the site where this young man's
girlfriend claimed that they had taken Tiphany. They actually went to that site with
cadaver dogs with an excavator that excavatedsome fight from the property. They got
him out of jail took him outthere, and Detective Muller said, look,
(26:26):
okay, without admitting anything, ifyou were going to bury a body
out here, where would you burya body? You know? Hypothetical and
I think he pointed out a coupleof possible locations, but he was just
real withdrawn, really didn't want tosay anything. And Detective Muller showed him
(26:47):
a picture of something that Pattie haddrawn that said, by missy mommy,
it was just really sweet. Andwhen she showed him that picture, he
broke down in tears. This guyright here knows something. I've been saying
it for years that he knows something, and he has said they actually thought
(27:10):
that they had him close to breaking, and then an attorney that was in
the room was like, hold up, do you want to talk to me
alone without them in the room,And that was it. He claimed up
after those he never said anything outAnd I've even tried talking to him.
I emailed with him when he wasin prison, and he claims that because
(27:33):
I even accused him of killing herjust to try to get his goat up.
And I said, well, youknow what, maybe the reason why
you don't want to say anything isbecause maybe you're the one who told her.
Maybe you did it, and you'retrying to put it on him,
And he got real angry and hegoes, I'm a lot of things,
and I'm not a good person,but I'm not a killer. And I
believe him. I don't think thathe did have anything to do with it,
but I do say I do believethe story that he that the girlfriend
(27:57):
told because later, you know,after all of this, she was still
in jail, and she was actuallyhoused in Paulding County, and that's another
whole story, even though it wasunder a Cow County arrest. And I
did a video visit with her whenshe was in Paulding County and I said,
(28:18):
look, all I want to know. I know the story that you
told detective more about your boyfriend.And the only thing, the only question
I had for you to have foryou because I think that you believed him
and that's why you came forward.Do you still believe him? Do you
think that the story that he toldyou was the truth? And she said,
yes, ma'am, I do,and she was in tears when she
(28:40):
said it. I do believe withall my heart that this guy knows And
when was the last time you triedtalking to this guy. It's been several
years ago, because it was beforewe moved here. We've been here for
two years. That may have beenup three years ago. Maybe you could
try talking to him again. Yeah, I don't know where he is right
now. He was to talk tothem because he was in prison. That
(29:02):
I always check, and he's notin prison now. I just checked last
Friday, unless he got picked upover the weekend, which I know a
lot of times. I will checkon Mondays to see if he's in a
Cobb County. He shouldn't be toohard to find. Yeah, if he's
in jail, he's not hard tofind. I can find him as he's
in jail. Well, you couldalso try to hire a PI or they
(29:25):
have those websites that have information ondifferent people. In the past, I've
subscribed to a few of them,and I think a lot of the times
they are accurate. They could tellyou where the person lives and provide former
addresses, So who knows. Maybesomething like that could be helpful too,
(29:45):
if you do want to try toget a hold of the sky again.
None of them, yeah, buta lot of them. Yeah, Yeah,
trust me. These guys that you'renot going to put them down on
one of those websites. It's theonly way that I'm ever able to locate
them is I'll find in jail.I'll either find him in Cobb County,
usually Cobb County, sometimes it's Fallsing, sometimes Douglas, occasionally Culton County.
(30:10):
I have access to all those websitesin Georgia DSc, so I know that
right now. One of the peoplethat I really want them to talk to
is Tiffany's cousin that she was reallyclose to, because I think that he
might have some information that would behelpful. And right now he's in prison.
(30:30):
But the last time I told themhe's in prison, you need to
go and talk to him, theyput it off and put it off and
put it off until he was releasedand then nobody can find So I just
checked on Friday and he's back inprison, so I'll let the detectives know
that he's there. And I alsofound out that Ashley Caudle's brother is also
(30:51):
imprison right now, and I feellike if anybody knows if he would have
confided in anyone, it would behis brother to knowledge. They've not talk
to his brother. His brother's nameis Task. I don't think they've ever
talked to him, and I thinkhe would be a good one to talk
to, you know, not sayingthat he had anything to do with it,
(31:12):
but I just feel like a bachelorwas going to confide in anybody that
would be him. We will goahead and take a final break and return
with Lisa's closing thoughts at Tiffany andthe law enforcement agency that's handling her daughter's
disappearance and how she's using social mediato get Tiffany's story out to the public.
(31:45):
Okay, and can you tell meabout the police department that is handling
Tiffany's case for anyone that's listening,and if it's possible that they have a
tip, who they need to contact. So last year, a city of
Marietta turned the case over to CobCounty because Cobb County is bigger, they
(32:07):
have more resources, and so currentlyDetective Cook from Cobb County Major Crimes is
the one who's in charge of thecase. Cobb County Police Department. So
the Sheriff's Department, my brother actuallyworks for the Sheriff's department, and unfortunately
they're not the ones investigating the case, but it is Cobb County Detective Cook.
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So she just took over the caselast year late last year, and
there have been several Detective Muller probablymade the most headway. She's the one
who actually got the first statement fromAshley Caudle, and that was what she
had said to me was, look, I'm going to have him in here
for not arresting him. We justwant to talk to him because I want
(32:49):
to get him locked into a story. And so she did that pretty early
on. And then when he gotarrested, they did a drug raide at
a house in Powder Springs and hewas a part of that. And when
he was in jail, they haveall of the jail calls of course,
and visits are all recorded, sothere's video of him. You might have
(33:10):
read about this in the Squire storythat there's video of him with this girlfriend
that came to visit him, andhe holds up one of the flyers,
the missing flyers, and says,yes, they think I killed this bitch,
is how he says it. AndI know that you have a Facebook
(33:30):
page for this case. Can youtell me where that can be found?
I do have a Facebook page.It's fine. Tiffany Winton, and we
have a good amount of followers onthere, and whenever a podcast comes out,
or any kind of a story orarticle, anything at all, I
do try to share that on theFacebook page because it does keep interest up.
(33:52):
I mean, the interest kind ofwanes and it's hard for me to
some days. You know, therewas a while there where I was supposed
to say I think every single day, and now I don't post this often
because there's just not no new informationfor me to So I do try to
use that page to help other peoplewho loved one's min I'm sure you probably
(34:14):
know this, but a lot ofpeople will just be amazed at how many
people go missings in this country everyday, especially young women, and who
are never found, who are neverfound. And the most difficult part is
to not knowing, not about notknowing what happened, but just not knowing
(34:34):
is she still out there? Isshe being held against her will? Which
I'll tell you I highly doubt,because that girl would fight to the death
before somebody's going to hold her againsther will. How do you know that?
I strongly believe that about her.And so when people bring up several
people more than I can count havebrought up, Well, she might have
(34:55):
gotten sex traffics, and I don'tlike to think about that. I really
don't. But I do believe she'sa wildcat. That girl would fight to
the death before you profit her,so she'd rather die. So I don't
believe that that's what happened to her. I truly do not. I just
won't let my mind go there.But I don't need to know what happened
(35:16):
as much as I just need tobe able to put her to rest and
have I don't know that closure isthe right word. I don't know that
I'll ever have closure. Do youbelieve I'll see her again one day?
You know, not on this earth. And I firmly believe that God has
a plan and all of this,and I may never know while I'm alive
(35:38):
on this earth what that plan is, but one day i'll know. One
day I'll know all and that's whatThat's what sustains me. Does that take
okay? And the last question thatI would have for you is for anyone
out there who's listening to the soundof your voice, if they know anything
about what happened to Tiffany, whatwould you say to that person? And
(36:00):
her persons. I've said before topeople, especially if it's somebody who knows
her and was friendly with her,and have told people this before, that
she would have done it for you. She would have come forward. You
know, if it was somebody thatshe knew was missing and she knew what
(36:21):
happened, she would come forward.I do know that about her. She
would not let something like that go. If she could give a family answers
to what happened to their loved one, that she would do that. And
all I need is for somebody tocome forward and say, look, I
know what happened, I know whereshe is. I'm not even looking for
(36:43):
any kind of vengeance. I mean, at this point, even if she
were found, if she were foundtoday, chances of them being able to
prove who did it and how areswim tone. It would be very difficult
to prove, you know, unlessshe had i'd forbidable at all in her
skull. I think it would bevery difficult to prove what happened to her.
(37:05):
And I don't have any desire topunish Ashley Caudle to say I know
you did this, and I'm goingto make sure you pay for it.
I just want to know where mydaughter is. I don't care about having,
you know, God to hold themresponsible. I don't have to do
that. I don't have to dothat. I just want to know where
my daughter is so that she canrest in peace. That's it. He
(37:29):
is where she can be located,then please just come forward. I will
not you know, nobody's going totry to go after you or anything like
that. And I've even told lawenforcement this that make a deal with him,
you know, if he's willing totell where she is in exchange for
not getting jail, tom or whatever, make the deal. That's all I
(37:51):
want. I just want to knowwhere she is. And that concludes Tiffany's
story. Tiffany has been missing fornearly a decade. What happened to her
after she was last seen fleeing froma Marietta, Georgia walmart. She has
never been seen again. Her motherdoesn't think that law enforcement has taken her
case seriously because of her addictions andpast issues with the law. Regardless of
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Tiffany's issues with drugs and the law, she still deserves a chance at life,
a chance to reconcile her differences withher family. Someone out there knows
what happened to her. Her boyfriend, Ashley Coddle, has said that he
never saw Tiffany again after she fledfrom Walmart loss prevention employees, but he
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has told different people different stories.According to Lisa Daniels, he is currently
incarcerated and denies harming Tiffany. Doyou know what happened to Tiffany Witten on
the night that she vanished into thedarkness? If you know anything about this
case, please contact the Mariette toGeorgia Police anonymous tipline at seven seven zero
(39:04):
seven nine four six nine nine zero. And if you would like to know
more about this case, you canalso visit the Fine Tiffany Witten Facebook page.
I will be sure to provide thisinformation in the case story notes.
And if you are a parent,law enforcement official, friend, or relatives
you can justice for an unsolved Thomasside case. Please visit my website and
(39:28):
complete the contact form. You canalso contact me through Facebook. Thank you
for listening.
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