May 31, 2024 • 48 mins
TOS plots in TNG
Trek has experimented with either re-visiting older episodes with new crews, as in DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations" or SNW's "A Quality of Mercy", or recycling plots with TNG's "The Naked Now." The trio look at how exact stories from The Original Series would play out with The Next Generation crew. How would "Galileo Seven" work in Next Gen? Which Enterprise-D crew member would be forced back home in "Amok Time"? How would the classic episode "The City on the Edge of Forever" work in the 24th century?
Join us as TOS stories play out in TNG - which combination of crew members can replace the triad of Kirk, Spock, McCoy?
Trek has experimented with either re-visiting older episodes with new crews, as in DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations" or SNW's "A Quality of Mercy", or recycling plots with TNG's "The Naked Now." The trio look at how exact stories from The Original Series would play out with The Next Generation crew. How would "Galileo Seven" work in Next Gen? Which Enterprise-D crew member would be forced back home in "Amok Time"? How would the classic episode "The City on the Edge of Forever" work in the 24th century?
Join us as TOS stories play out in TNG - which combination of crew members can replace the triad of Kirk, Spock, McCoy?
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Welcome to the nerd Party. I'mDarren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphus, I'm
Daniel Prue and this is City Alphathree. Hello, and welcome to City
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Alfa three, a star trek podcasthere on the Nerd Party Network. I
am Darren Moser and I'm joined asalways by my fellow Trekky Standy's, Strandy's
Stundy's. Yeah, well we'll gowith all of the Dundee's, Philip and
Daniel. Philip, how has yourweek been? I hear you've been working
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your way through season one of TNGas we all should be. Yeah,
slowly, slowly. I think Ijust watched slowly among us, but I
think it's like an episode, youknow, if you count encounters one and
two. But I'm probably like onfive, you know, so I'm not
too deep in, you know,what's the way release? You know,
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take a couple of years, youknow. Yeah, I'm sure I'll go
a little faster. But because I'vealso been watching old doctor who like him
in the second series ever, likenineteen sixty five, which has been interesting.
Why and why remind me who thedoctor is in that one? Because
that the first doctor, Bill Hartdell, William Hartnell black and White, Black
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and White. Yeah, it's sortof an irony. As you all may
or may not know, there arelost Doctor Who episodes because of the BBC
taped over episodes. But it's funnybecause it's mostly the second Doctor, not
the first Doctor for some bizarre reason. So yeah, but so it's interesting
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that most of these early episodes yousee them in full. It's really not
gonna be untill later that you'll starthaving to like get recreations. Yeah.
I heard that some like they onlyhad the audio for they were turning into
like radio drama, which is kindof cool, Like, I mean,
if your maybe you could do animation. So yeah, it's always a fascinating
part of the the Who universe islike how they're able to preserve this stuff
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and the Empire. I mean,you know the legacy of the Empire is
that they will find them in variousplaces because it right, you know,
shipped across the world, find iteverywhere. Yeah, yeah, African nations
or India or you know, youknow, so it could always be some
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something out there. You know,you never know what were you saying,
Daniel, I was just thinking,you know, that really cheap like three
D animation that they do for likerecreations on the news, Like it's really
really cheap, like just above courtroomdrama sketch. You know, it's just
I'm just thinking, like funny animation. They just move like in a straight
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line, no legs or arms.It's like, doctor, you must save
me. I've lost the use ofmy limbs. Come over here, turn.
Oh you got a turn. Ohit's amazing. I mean every about
every year, every year to oneto two years, they will release an
animated story and the quality oddly goesdown, which is I think it's because
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of the money. Yeah, butyeah, yeah, people really watching this,
we'll still do it. Funny though, if like there was a lost
US episode, you know, yeah, we would definitely know about it though,
I mean right, well yeah thatwould have been redone as a season
one TNG episode because that's what theydid. So yeah, yeah, yeah
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kind of. I mean in away, it's not lost at all,
you know, I just know thereis no lost episode. Well that's the
thing with loss, you can neverknow if they're lost by default. So
I mean the cage to a certainextent, not that say lost. But
it took a while for us tosee the full thing. That's true.
That's true. Well, I willsay I posted in our I probably should
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retweet on Twitter or someplace. Iposted in our slack chat for the Nerd
Party network under our Star Trek heading. A cool little video I saw just
last night when I should have beensleeping and instead was doom scrolling. It's
by Seth Duncan, and he's justtaught. I think he does other videos
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about other Star Trek shows, butin this one, he's kind of having
a conversation with himself about DS nineand Voyager and what made them different and
what they made them special. AndI really like, you know, it
was like a six to seven minutevideo. It was a good chunk of
time, which is rare in thatformat. But I really liked it,
and that's why I shared it becauseit was very positive. It was very
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like this is you know, thecool parts about why this was really interesting
and well done back then. SoI was like, oh, yeah,
Trek positivity. It's nice when weget it. Let's just sink our teeth
into it. But what about you, Daniel, are you plotting any new
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Trek video games? Are you holdingshift? Ha? No? No,
no games, No such games atall. I. In fact, I
stole out a little bit on myinjury watch because I'm I'm trying to get
ready for uh A, Deadpool.Okay, I just watched Deadpool one because
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my wife's never seen it and shewanted to get her request because she wanted
to get ready for it so thatshe were gonna watch. We watched one
just now and then we'll watch two, I guess in a couple of days.
Yeah. We watched Logan last night. I hadn't seen it ever,
so that was my first time,and now I'll watch Pool. It is
not a movie podcast, What didyou think of it? Because I think
it's one of those movies like MadMax. Uh, it's like people are
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like a group of and then likeI watched it was like depressing to me,
Like it wasn't like it wasn't likedepressing movie. I need to go
take a shower. But I waslike, oh, this is the best
movie. I was saying. Imean it's good. I mean it was
fine. Like you said, itwas just a sort of a grim watch.
You know, it doesn't put youin a good mood, that's for
sure. But I had to watchit. This this first time i've seen
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it, so it was good.And then we went back and watched part
of the first X Men movie,which is very interesting to do now.
It's kind of like a capsule ofyou know, two thousand or whatever it
came out. It's a really interestingand everybody's so young. It's a funny,
but that's neat. Yeah, it'sinteresting. I'm watching a I think
it's an three movie for house Lightscalled twenty twenty five Days twenty fifth hour.
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Sorry, it's a guy who's likethe last day before he has to
go turn himself in to go tojail for seven years. But it does
have Anna Paquin like right in theprime between X one and X two,
So I'm like, oh, there'srogue right there. So that was you
know, obviously she's done other things, but that's before she went to New
Orleans to deal with the vampires exactly. You're such a baby. She was
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so young in that first one.It was like, I'm like, oh,
my goodness, she must have beenlike she was certainly younger when she
started. So yeah, but yeah, well all that to say. I
also, I don't remember if Imentioned it last week. I did finish
making it, so Patrick Stewart's autobiography, and yeah, the Star Trek parts
I did. It took you know, a couple of hours, the chats
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titled for Darren. But no,it was good. And I mean,
obviously the vast majority of the storyis not about Star Trek. He does
jump to it a couple of timesas you're getting there, but it,
you know, it's all. Iwas satisfied with it because it was a
lot of things I already knew,you know, just retold by Patrick,
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but there were other things that Ididn't know. I'll have to think through
it again on what some of thosewere. Ask if you could give us
your number one Star Trek tidbit thatyou got out of the number one most
interesting thing that you learn, youknow, I mean we all know like
that Patrick was very uptight in seasonone about like the seriousness of the acting.
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And it makes a lot more sensein the context of having just listened
to him talk about his entire lifeand you know, time at the Royal
Shakespeare Company and and all of that. But yeah, I think it was
also interesting him talking about the StarTrek movies. You know, he talks
about Nemesis and Insurrection all of that, and you know, like we mostly
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know that. I think one thingwe might have covered this in our talking
about Nemesis, but I think LeVarwanted to do Nemesis direct, to direct
it, and I don't remember whyhe didn't get the get the shot.
But but yeah, you know,I will say, I mean, on
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a kind of a down note.It is also interesting because he's telling his
whole story. So you hear aboutlike how he kind of cheated on his
wife and that ended his marriage,like his first marriage, and like he's
been married three times. So itwas kind of a meet your heroes moment
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where you're like, you know thisis or you didn't really fully know.
I mean, I knew as faras you know. Wikipedia shows his list
of marriages, you know, inthe little corner box, so it's like
you know there's a story there,but you didn't know the story. So
but I do say I do appreciatehow he everything with his love life.
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He goes about in a very appropriateway. It's hard to describe, but
like I never feel like, ohman, I shouldn't be listening to this,
Like you're spilling all these like secretsof another person that's not there.
Like he's always tawdry yeah, he'salways sure whatever British word you threw up,
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but no, I will say,well it was sad and you obviously.
And he has stated in the inthe book that his only real regrets
in life are the failures of hismarriages, like those are things he wishes
that he had had done differently.But but all that to say, it's
it's you got crazy stories about himdriving Paul McCartney's car with Paul McCartney in
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the back, like just you know, going for a cruise, like it's
just yeah, a lot of alot of fun stories. I highly recommend
to any Star Trek fan to enjoydriving Walter Cohen. You know. Oh
well, you know that's just aharrowing experience that we will never repeat.
In the rain, Oh my gosh, Like I said, yeah, I
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could see the headlines, you know, local podcaster kills one of the thermating
namely episodes. You know, ohman, this no no, no,
no, no, no, no, oh yes. But speaking of toos,
so this was one where I hadthis idea a while ago. I
put the note in our list ofepisodes and then spent all of yesterday trying
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to figure out what what was Italking about in that little note, I
hadn't put quite enough context, butI did figure it out. So what
I want us to do today isI'm going to give us specific TS episodes
because we just talked about, youknow how a lot of the last few
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episodes and or I guess extra scriptsfrom TOOS were used in the beginning of
TNG, you know Naked Now slashTime being one of the most egregious rewrites.
But what I wanted us to dois I'll give us an episode and
a bit of a summary. Weare going to morph that into if it
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was made in T and G andrecast some of those characters. Now,
it's not going to be as straightforwardas Kirk is always Picard and you know,
you know McFadden is always well,I don't know why I would say
her actual name and not her uh, you know, Kirk would be Picard
and Crusher would be bones and thingslike that. So I try to pick
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data, Yeah, I try topick characters where it's more like, who
do we want to have go throughthat experience? It doesn't have to be
the one for one, uh,you know, post wise, So in
no particular order, we're jumping aroundbetween seasons two and three. Uh I
didn't pick any from season three orone and two, one and two.
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I should say We're gonna start withArmac Time season two, episode one,
a Great Trek episode where Spock isbeing aggressive, Kirk disobeys at order and
takes him to the Vulcan planet andhe has to fight to the death for
his love to Powell. We're goingto be recasting Spock, Kirk and to
Powell. So who is seized by? Now? I will say I did
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think a lot of what was itdata lore when where data gets seized by
you know, the the programming andthen goes off and they have no choice.
But I'm like, we're gonna ignorethat, and it could be anybody.
But who do we want to havebe seized by some sort of mania
and we have to take them backto their planet? Could be Riker,
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could be anybody. I mean,but there's only one choice. But Dave,
what do you think? It can'tbe one of the human characters.
So I mean that's what I'm thisis what I cleaned today. Back to
Alaska for k I mean, wemistakenly go to Canada. That's gg season
eight. I mean, like tome, like and maybe I should fight
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the obvious, because the obvious tome is war and we go to Coronos
or we go well, he doesn'thave to be chronic a cling on planet.
But is that too easily? MaybeI should try to you know,
you should be trying to fight it. I always love I'm loving it.
I think we should go. Itshould be wharf, and we should go
to the ruined moon of Praxis becausewe get a nice cool tie memorial park.
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Yeah, yeah, memorial, thememorial park plantation of Praxis. You
know what, how what would thatbe? Like? I don't think has
a budget to show a half halfmoon, half exploded moon man painting stick
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in the background, or or footagefrom Star Trek six most likely which do
we even see it in? Ithink we do? We do at least,
yeah, sorry, we don't.We don't go on the planet,
but we see like the you know, the dashed line of like this is
where the surface of the planet shouldbe. It's not quite making a sphere
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anymore. Okay, Well, Ilike the idea of wharf, but did
you have any other thoughts, Likeit shouldn't be a sex thing, Daniel
Daniels, I get to talk Ihave the only thing I was going to
say. My mind immediately went toTroy. But I don't think. No,
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I don't know if it's better becauseI get concerned, especially if wait,
I don't know if you mentioned this, darn, but are we doing
specifically season one of T ANDG oris this whatever we want? This is
whenever? It's just making it aTNG episode. Uh synth music. Well,
because if it was season one,I would can zoom it on her
eyes and the like the light kindof like compress this to her and she
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gets that look and she's like,oh, it's happening, you know.
I don't know. I'm not sayingwe have to tie this to the like
crazy sex drive of the Beta's edswhere they have to you know, where
they when they enter what Beta's edmenopause, they go crazy. Yeah,
I was. I was just thinkingif it was season one, maybe it
wouldn't have been handled. Although we'rewriting it, so I guess we would
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go we would uh no choice becaused G season one. So what you're
saying, Daniel, Yeah, soI would say that she's at least a
candidate. I would be fine withwarf though. That's a good idea too,
So I think like Warf would belike peeing on the walls or something
like that. Again, no,I mean, I know you didn't say
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season one, but like if becauseI feel like you know, Regards,
we're hurting for a wharf cleanting onepisodes if we could, you know,
crowgard In, I gotta know howye are just to give her a little
bit more of life or something todo until like she has to because like
if I was just watching you watchingseason one again, is it was what
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where no one has gone before?Because we saw she had everyone had flashbacks
if you remember, and she hada flashback carrying the cat and like the
gig the rape gangs explicitly is whatthey're called. It's not good but anyway,
but it would have been interesting tosee a little slice of her life,
which I you know, how youtie it into like some illness and
the only cure is back at ourplanet or something. I mean, I
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I it's not a bad idea.I kind of gravitate towards not wanting to
make Yars suffer even more. Butyeah, you know, yeah, okay,
yes, it's I think you're right. Both Warf and Troy are good
choices. They're also both aliens.That makes sense in the in the Armark
time, like they're also going tohave to fight to the death. So
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do we want Wharf like you know, I mean, he has no trouble
killing any other click up. Itdoes fit a little more. I like
it, where as Troy just becauseI mean, because we can see so
much so little, Like it doesn'thave to bait it. It can be
besed. But we've seen so littleof Beta s that I mean, we
have technically seen it. But likeI was maating of it scenario where Troy
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has to fight Riker or advice Rikerhas to fight, right, I mean,
that's that's true that Wharf doesn't reallyhave a connection with a wharf.
Wharf doesn't have the spot Kirk connection. So what I was thinking, I
don't know why my mind went here, but I was thinking the card would
have to fight for Warf as partof his day. And but you know,
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I don't know. I think Ithink we're the needles a little bit
more. Troy is an interesting storythan war and Warf is. I mean,
he's going to show up in oneof these guys. We just know.
It's like prime, Prime character inZody Time. Inside, Oh,
in Zody Time. I love it. If you're going to say that Riker
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and Troy have to fight, arethey gonna have to do it naked?
Or is this the thing takes placein the nude? It's Olympian, I'll
say it. And and the entirearena is pitch black, so all you
is just here the fights. Youdon't see the fight, okay, and
then Topow would just be some betazoidman you know, yeah whatever, Tarrent.
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So this is twenty twenty four,but we have to have someone who
bikers like, you know, sizingup and feels threatened by all right,
all right, so so we haveAmzoti time. Troy has to go and
fight Riker to the pseudo death.We do some you know, medical trickery
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to avoid it. I mean itplays out roughly like how the episode does.
But all right, now we haveI picked like favorites guys, because
I was gonna pick some random youknow, mid season one that we have
to even rewatch to know. Yeah, trouble with Triples. It's a fun
episode. We did kind of redoit in DS nine, But what I'm
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thinking of is, well, itjust trew straight. It So there's a
couple of characters we have who startsthe fight. So in Trouble with Troubles
you have Scotty who does that.You have Chekhov, who's also kind of
you know. In the middle ofthat, you have Darvin, So we
get to cast a guest character,and we also have coloth So is it
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Klingon's is it another uh type ofvillain? I mean everything that it could
be tom a Lock showing up glaringat you know. I love I love
be a good Tomlock episode, mydear captain, tom My, dear God.
I mean I kind of I kindof dig it, like I want
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to see Toma Lock strutting around onthe station, not just like we only
see him ever on the viewer,like he's rarely ever, you know,
in personance. We don't know,we don't know. This will answer that
question. The problem is and here, and I know this is definitely out
of the scope of what we're talkingabout, but Darren, if you're going
to make the triple cannon and theycan and they can sense vulcans, then
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Commander Oh would have never made itto President whatever. Here about what happens
in Picard right now, Daniel,it's not, but I see what you're
saying. Maybe it's all the nonhumans. The Triples are very very racist
and and they hate anything but humans. What is it? You should know
this on top of your head.What's the the things they eat? The
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triples? Oh, glomers? Ithink something like that. I think it
should be glomers instead of triples.Now you think of something that starts with
G. We could tell you.I don't even know what they look there.
They're orange and they have like fourlegs down below them, so they
basically go over trible and like don'tspiderish yeah two m's so because I'm not
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picturing the it's you know, it'ssome space station and it's a neutral and
so that's why you have the rhymelike it's the neutral zone. It's literally
in the neutral zone. We justbooked the number up one, you know.
But it looks all modern and andthis is bizarre, but I'm gonna
go with this. As far aswho would start the fight, I'm thinking
and syn Row okay nice? Ohoh yeah, oh yeah it's she so
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yeah, no, I could definitelysee that because I can only see the
reverse where they're like they're talking aboutthe Enterprise and like, you know,
it's like I'm just making you canchange it, but like this is like
rogue data and Jordie and Jordi's Jordy'snot gonna fight. He's like, well,
I don't know, and and they'relike, I was just gonna talk
about the ship whatever, and thenand then then he changed to Picard and
h was like, what did yousay about captain? Yeah, think was
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culture religion, you know, andshe just gets really pissed. Oh oh
you said O'Brien Daniel. Yeah,just because he actually started to fight in
the other Triples episode, so ah, yes, that's true. Wait time,
Oh right, but no, Ilike, I like Roe starting to
fight. And it seems like Colothhas become tom Oloch, which is hilarious
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because I'm just yeah, it's justa whole bunch of rhymes sitting around the
bar like just like which they wouldnever do. But it's so t o
s that it's like they have topicturing and I know itssary stereotypical. I
am picturing a Ferengi for the forthe darting Rule. Yeah, not Darvin,
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because Darvin is the assistant who's who'sin mascar. Oh, so we're
thinking like the Sierraho Jones. Yes, I was thinking for Frangi's the Serraho
Jones. I know it's very stereotype. Whoever is selling the the glommers,
I thought of either, Yeah,Frengie could work or in T and G
they often use what are they yideonsthat they have the very rink Yeah,
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they have really wrinkly faces. AndWharf always hated gossip traders. Yeah,
basically the gossip traders. But wecould do a for Aggie that would be
man, there's so many aliens,we've got romulins. We got for Angie,
so it's a it's a human who'ssecretly a romulin. I like that.
I kind of yeah, just shortin the years a little bit a
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little easier to reverse. So right, we know it's possible. Yeah,
and if we could put this postface of the enemy, then you know,
she could be like, I don'ttrust them and they're insulting you,
captain. But all right, Ilike how like Tomlock just is the locked
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in like foil to tip card,but he's one of the few reoccurring villains
really in TG, we don't havethat many reoccurring ones. But he only
like I said, like Daniel kindof said, like if you total up
his screen time, it'll be whatseven minutes? Oh yeah, it's not
it's not a lot. But andhe's only over on screen, that's right.
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Yeah, all right, So keepingit in season one for a little
more, we have Dagger of theMind. This is where the Enterprise goes
to the weird like psychic, youknow, psychic psychic, the facility planet
with the doves and the daggers andall that stuff. Yeah, Kirk is
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sent to the institute and who breaksthem out? So that's that's how I
want to recast. So who whogets sent down? Are we throwing data
in? Is he getting reprogrammed?Is Jordie, you know, after his
time with the romulin weird conditioning?Is he getting conditioning again? This could
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be another easy one for Troy sinceshe is you know, technically yeah,
true, true, or yeah.You could also put Troy as who breaks
them out because she has the abilityto like see through the subterfuge. This
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is anything from these things? Isthis the Garth of Iyzar episode? Ah?
I I'd have to as the villain, you know, and the oh
I don't remember this episode very muchat all, vague memories of Yeah,
it's rehacilitation for the clemeniic sane.That basically the it's first time spot do
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mind meld? Yeah, all right, we'll give that to Wharf. Oh
it seems like a worse thing todo first time. He takes out his
mich left because I'm thinking of theone now, because I can't remember other
two Psychiatric Institute episode because one wordsGarth of Eyes are you know Captain Garth
Fleet Captain Garth and the Orion.You know that's true they do. Yeah,
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but maybe watch these episodes, guys. I'm just reading the description.
All right, well we can keepit simple. There's there's more fun ones
coming up, but so we'll justyeah, we'll make it. Troy,
Troy gets poor Troy gets sent tothe institution, and I mean, I
think there's a there's an overcoming elementthere and Wharf could break break her out
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and it maybe leads to a romance, because apparently does I think everybody would
love that? Would they? Daniels? That's our survey, which do you
like or not like more Warf Troyor Chicote? Seventh? The answer save
it for another episode. Film that'sgreat, great podcasting material. Seventh season
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romances should just rule with thumb.Never introduce as romance in the last season.
Just don't do it. Well,hey, or Ezri Bashir is another
one. Yeah, all right,so this one. Now in season one,
we have episode sixteen, the Galileoseven. This is the one where
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there's a group of seven led bySpock, McCoy, Scotty Yeoman, Mirrors,
Latimer, Gentano, and Boma.So all those crew meers the top
of the head. How'd you dothat? Yeah, so you know the
power of the internet. But they'rebasically stuck on a planet and they can't
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get back with the fuel, thespace fuel they have, so they might
have to leave some people behind.So everybody really hates Spock because he's the
one who's got to make that choice. Now, this is different than the
one where Sulu is stuck on theplanet and freezing to death and we have
to get him up, which I'vewhat I thought for a second that this
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was. But yeah, so wehave a whole lot of main characters and
side characters we can add to thisone. I'm I'm thinking one of these
guys is got to be Barkley.It just fits that he is. I
like it really stressing out over overwhat's going on Barkley. Now, obviously
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we don't have to send Data Crusherand the Forge as the main three.
We could, you know, justgo straight across the board as far as
roles. But we can also putanybody we want down there, probably not
Cambcard because that would be weird.But I mean, I like you said
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this without saying this, I likethis being the highlight of the side characters
episode. So like anyone who's who'spretty established. So you could have Barkley,
Yere Sogawa, Chief Ryan. Imean, like those would be your
sort of know, the not mains, but like it should be like a
celebration of all these sidekis could bethere too. Yeah, yeah, totally,
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this could be Like even over Row. I was thinking of what's her
name, the one who gets uhuh no Gomez, the one who gets
the coffee. Uh yeah yeah,like Gomez, He's never talked. She
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just mourns it the whole time.She never talks, right, I mean
to me, so this is againobvious, but let's not be the But
the obviously is because I think theissue there is in Galius was with Spock's
command. Oh you know he's toovulcan and you know he doesn't this decision,
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right, Yeah, he doesn't wantto bury the person. Well I
have a funeral. It's not youknow, so, I mean this would
be the Candata command. It's it'svery much the Sutherland and the that chain
of command or no, it's yeah, birthright, isn't it birthright? It's
a two part Yeah. I thinkit's got to be data. It's got
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to be that conundrum. See whatI did there of a Like he's very
logical. He's like literally flow chartingout like who we should leave, and
they're like, how could you dothat? He's like, how would you
make the decision? Like someone's gotto make the decision. Although that does
mean, you know, because he'snot he's like what the third officer?
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I feel like second off? Well, first Riker? So that means that
Riker and Picard cannot be on thisship because they would outrank him. So
okay, so we got you couldhave some bit of that Row with Troy
during disaster. I think Row wouldbe the antagonist of like you can't.
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I mean, I don't think Rosein the maybe she would be, but
you know, she would be likePhraser. You know, I would rather
put Roe than O'Brien. I feellike O'Brien has so much character development in
TNG that like he's not this levelof background, like he goes on to
mainline, you know, a wholenother show. Like we're just trying to
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fill seats here, Darren. Okay, So okay, So we got Data,
We got Barkley, Ogawa, Roweand Gomez as our lower lower deckers.
So we have two other main charactersthat we have to also place on
the ship that are going to takeData's orders. We could just you know,
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just side thinking for another uh lowerright, So it's going to be
someone that we have to guess morethan one person. All right, sorry,
go Bez you just okay, okay, but uh well then we're going
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to give him a random name likeexactly could be could be Sorry, she's
generation to be in her movie.Yeah. That's the only continuity issue of
Generations is how the new guy MayaJamison. You could kill her off,
you know, probably not all theguest stars and yeah, we never know
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she could. Her character can die. She was in that one episode Outrageous
Oconna. Yeah, all right,Gates. Gates is gonna die, not
mccrannon. But okay, so wegot two other main crews, so I
say we send Jordie down. Ithink a Jordi data dynamic of him having
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to make this decision because Jordie isthe only one he would really like listen
to, like that he wouldn't listento other people. But yeah, well
the reason I'm I'm fighting in myhead is like, I now, I
want this to be like a secondseason because I don't want Jordy to be
a lieutenant commander, because then itcould be like season more data. Yeah,
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it's the said the Galley of seven. It's the what's that ship called
the God? Yep, no,it's the God. Yeah, I think
yes, so season one Jordy sohe's a lieutenant then, right and the
data outranks him. Yeah oh yeah, g yeah still in uh yeah,
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so that and I think, youknow, because they can obviously have those
discussions, but it will be interestingbecause data is also like, this is
a decision I have to make,Like you can't make this decision for me,
like it is my The burden ofcommand, The burden of command,
burden of Command, Episode No.It's God had seven. Uh. Okay,
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so Scotty is the only other onethat we haven't replaced. But well,
no, I know, but Iagain, I'm I'm just listing.
Okay, I put I put here, I put Jordi in the McCoy sat
just because McCoy was vocal but chiefand here he died. We never see
him again. Kill off all thefirst season chief engineer. Yeah, I
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mean it's a bold move, Philip, bold move, Argyle and McDougall at
the same time they're getting ready tothe god Aard nine to ten? How
many people can we fit inside thisship? This is why Jeordie takes over
in season two, because all thechief engineers died in this one mission.
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Okay, we'll send We'll send ourguy all down, I guess. Oh
right. Yeah, So this oneI thought would be really interesting, especially
because often there aren't a lot ofcharacters to recast in this type of scenario,
because there's just it's Kirk, Spockand McCoy for ninety nine percent of
the story plots, and that canonly be redone. But so far we've
had a lot of interesting characters.I do have a few more. We
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don't have too many because, likeI said, I picked tried to pick
episodes where it's like very known andvery easy. I'm looking through space Seed
who plays con No. Yeah,but the next one I thought of was
City on the Edge of Forever fromseason one episode twenty eight. So we
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have Kirk, Spock and McCoy.So someone's got to go crazy, someone's
got to and then two other peoplehave to go back in time. I
mean there are we could just dostraight up time zero Daniel if you really
know this too, No, that'smuch further back though. Yes, what
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do you guys think it's gonna beRiker Ricord falls in Loose People? Right,
Well, we haven't. We haven'tgiven Riker a new uh re recast
him yet. So well again I'mtrying to uh. I mean, I'm
not disagreeing by on, So like, can we help people who don't have
a lot of episodes? So I'mlike, anybody, this could be a
Beverley episode. Maybe you know,we don't use her a lot, So
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like I said, crazy or goingback in time? Well and Troy,
right, they could be the onesthat go back and okay, okay,
I'm all on board. Yeah,so we have Crusher and we have Troy.
Oh, I really like that.That actually makes it really interesting and
they're stuck in like the and that'strue. We also have to take where
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when are they going? I mean, it could be the same, but
it could be some other time wherewomen have no rights and they got to
fight or something, because I'm thinking, you know, instead of this,
because you know, if you rememberthe episode, it starts off on the
ship but in order to come I'ma Star Trek fan, phil about dare
you say? I don't remember thecity on the edge of Forever? But
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this could be on a planet whereit's just a small away team. So
it's just like Troy, Beverly andpick man of your choice. You know,
maybe it's Riker. Maybe it's Geordiewho gets injured and then that's where
Beverly treats him and then he goescrazy and jumps through the portal. I
kind of like the idea of Rikerbeing crazy because again, we don't see
them the majority of the episode becauseit's a time dilation just a little,
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but it adds a little bit ofintrigue because of Troy being there. So
yeah, and I just want tosee Jonathan Franks pop up into frame like
A I'm not crazy, I'm crazy. I mean, we know we could
do it. We know Riker coulddo crazy. So I think we're I
think we're good. Okay, Soso Crusher and Troy go back in time,
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A win that. I mean,I was kind of thinking what if
they went it's kind of similar ishdecade, but they went to the suffragette
era, and so it's kind oflike they would love to move suffragette you
know, things forward, but ithas to happen at that time, and
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because it'll mess up the future orsomething. It doesn't have to be that.
It could be any other time.But I was just thinking, or
it could be some pseudo future timelike two thousand, you know four drugs.
Yeah, with the sanctuary districts andall of that. I mean,
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it could be the same, right, It could just be the same,
could be the Nazi, It couldbe well because the reason end of the
war, yeah, to kind ofmake it, you know where it's not
like how were we going to putthem in dresses and they don't have any
rights. But that's why I wasthinking, you could do war because you
know, they could be working ata plant or something. Because women did
of course all the work there.Okay, so Troy is a rosy riveter
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and and Crusher is working in likea well again because if all the men
are off to war, you knowno, but she's like, you know
again, they're doing a lot ofthe work at home because the men are
all away. So that I likethat, Okay, Uh yeah, I
like crazy Riker. That's the endof the episode. People would assume he
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came back from the war, youknow he was that he's like shell shocked.
They don't that's they don't realize oryeah, because they didn't call it
PTSD back then. I know.I was like, I'm like, what
did they call it back then?I mean shocked. I think it's pretty
close. That was more Vietnam,but basically the same thing. Well or
World War One. I think thatphrase was used a lot after World War
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One. But uh, all right, so I got one more. Uh
this one's a simple, simple recastseason three. I was trying to think
of a season three one, guys, because not a lot of Fox brains.
What I picked exactly what I picked. Uh. So we have Spock
whose brain are we saving today?I mean, this is this has to
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be data. I mean it justhas to be right. It can't be
anybody else. It shouldn't have beenSpock when it was foxed. So like
there's a shot where like someone opensup the back panel of Data's head.
It's just a void, like there'sjust it's like they literally took or it's
like instead of Spock's brain, it'sData's head. Yeah, yeah, it's
times errors guy, Yeah, butwe did you make it better? Hold
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on, where's Mark Plain? Where'sMark Plain? Saying that for a majority
of this episode it's going to bejust a neck on Brin Spiner the whole
episode. Time, we can likecut to him whoever is you know his
head is missing, that is whatI'm saying. We can cut to that
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scene where it's sprint Spider's head ona table and he could be talking to
his captors. Do that trick.I don't even know they cut they caught
a hole in it. Take aroundTroy No, No, I like that.
I mean, and you could evenif he wanted to tease a little
(42:28):
bit of Lore, it could belike both their heads and they're having convers
and it's a it's it's a they'retrying to figure out who is who click
them on just by questions alone,like the whole two door you know two
guard phenomenon, like one only lies, one only tells the truth and and
and you're like, oh, whichone is? It obviously has to be
way less obvious than it ever is. And Lord Data episodes because I mean,
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granted he does like impersonate him once, but you know, we can
all kind of tell, you know, it's Lord. A third slot that's
empty that they never talk. He'sgot a birth mark behind his left ear
that has an L. You knowwhat could that mean? I don't know
what about this? What if werewrite the Most Toys and that guy lives
(43:09):
at the end of the episode,and then he's the one that comes back
to take Data's head because he's madthat okay, okay, can he live
at the end of the episode?No, the ship get up, doesn't
it doesn't the ship get blowed up. He's about to shoot him, and
then they beamed Data up and he'slike, oh, I guess the phaser
must have Oh yeah, I wasthinking of a different episode. What episode
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am I thinking of? When theship gets built up and they think Data
is Dad? That's what I wascross at the beginning of the episode.
Well that is the beginning of that. Okay, okay, that's yeah.
So yeah, so he's still alive. Yeah, you're okay. So we're
combining it with Most Toys as farit's a sequel. Yeah, it comes
back. This comes back even moretoys most Toys. But we need to
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have a shot where like he hasa tricorder and he's pushing the button and
and Data's body in the background iswalking like Frankenstein, like left right,
left right, you know, pushingthe the the individual. But they're just
shooting someone from the neck down right. All the camera shots are like this.
(44:13):
Yeah, they're like, we're notgonna we don't have enough effect budget
to do all those shots. Soit's it's very obvious. We're like,
well, you just did the cameralike that, so you didn't have to
remove his head and post like yeah, there's a lot of those shots.
But yeah, or it could beoh ooh ooh, I like it where
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okay, I feel like, okay, someone look up the name of the
character because I don't know why Ican't remember him, but fa fabio fajo.
What if he he still wants Data, So unfortunately he captures Lore unknowing
that it's like the worst thing hecould possibly do. It's like how incredibly
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dangerous Lore is. And that's howLore gets back in service is Fajo puts
them back together, and then wehave the the most data's heads. Whatever
we're calling this episode, it's terrible, terrible episode. Well, we've had
(45:21):
a fist full of data. Thisis a neck full of data. A
neck full of Data's jeez. Afun fact that I didn't know about about
Memory Alpha. Apparently they have apage for every individual episode, because which
I have no idea. I didnot know that because I got time.
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But you know, and I justwant the cover art for this Darren to
be Data with the green screened headlessform. Well, I was thinking of
a shot of the godd Ard withthe word Galleo seven written out in the
bottom. But we'll see crossed.A couple got a couple of Fago,
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Yeah Fajo. Okay, not Fabio. That's a different, different guy.
But no, I like that kindof most toys follow up bringing Lure back.
That sounds like a much better episodethan the actual episode Spock's Brain.
I mean, we we already didthat. We already looked back at Spock's
brain and we didn't. We giveit like one tiny tweak and it was
(46:27):
like ten times better. I can'tremember what that tweak was, remember it
was all right? Well yeah,well that was my my list of a
handful of episodes from TOS giving itthe one fistful exactly, giving it the
TG treatment. Yeah, it wasreally fun. I mean I was worried
(46:50):
a little bit that it would justfall into you know, Spock Kirk McCoy
becomes riker data, you know,and hard, but it didn't. Really.
We didn't really bring any Picard.He's not in any of these,
so he gets in a screen timehe does, he'll get the movies.
Yeah, all right, well,Philip, if someone wanted to talk to
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you about where you keep the mostof your toys, where would they talk
to you. There's certain touts onthe floor right now because I was cleaning
and my TG bridge set, whichhas a bit of a monster how big
that thing is pretty big? Yeah, and you know British flats are not
(47:36):
torsly big. So right now it'sjust on the floor with the action figures.
I mean, it's all neat somethinglike I'm just gonna leave it there.
If you're playing with your toys.That's okay, Philip. You don't
have to say I was cleaning andthey were on the ground. We all
know with that and everything up.As my wife walked in, she's like,
this is what you do in here? Huh. They can find me
on Instagram, on c apt sfUFP and Daniel, if you wanted to
(48:01):
share where someone could find you totalk about your brain, I don't know
something like that. They could pickmy brain, sure, pick your brain
all on Memory Alpha Yep, yep, you can find me out one.
I'm Dan. That's the number one, not the word. And if someone
(48:22):
wanted to talk to me about howmany rolls of fishing line I used to
suspend my god Ard seven over myhead, they can talk to me at
doctor sci Fi dot com d Rs c I F I Well, I'm
Darren Moser, I'm Philip Gelphus.I'm being over well, we are stranded
here playing with toys on City Alphathree
Welcome to the nerd Party. I'mDarren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphus, I'm
Daniel Prue and this is City Alphathree. Hello, and welcome to City
(00:24):
Alfa three, a star trek podcasthere on the Nerd Party Network. I
am Darren Moser and I'm joined asalways by my fellow Trekky Standy's, Strandy's
Stundy's. Yeah, well we'll gowith all of the Dundee's, Philip and
Daniel. Philip, how has yourweek been? I hear you've been working
(00:45):
your way through season one of TNGas we all should be. Yeah,
slowly, slowly. I think Ijust watched slowly among us, but I
think it's like an episode, youknow, if you count encounters one and
two. But I'm probably like onfive, you know, so I'm not
too deep in, you know,what's the way release? You know,
(01:07):
take a couple of years, youknow. Yeah, I'm sure I'll go
a little faster. But because I'vealso been watching old doctor who like him
in the second series ever, likenineteen sixty five, which has been interesting.
Why and why remind me who thedoctor is in that one? Because
that the first doctor, Bill Hartdell, William Hartnell black and White, Black
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and White. Yeah, it's sortof an irony. As you all may
or may not know, there arelost Doctor Who episodes because of the BBC
taped over episodes. But it's funnybecause it's mostly the second Doctor, not
the first Doctor for some bizarre reason. So yeah, but so it's interesting
(01:51):
that most of these early episodes yousee them in full. It's really not
gonna be untill later that you'll starthaving to like get recreations. Yeah.
I heard that some like they onlyhad the audio for they were turning into
like radio drama, which is kindof cool, Like, I mean,
if your maybe you could do animation. So yeah, it's always a fascinating
part of the the Who universe islike how they're able to preserve this stuff
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and the Empire. I mean,you know the legacy of the Empire is
that they will find them in variousplaces because it right, you know,
shipped across the world, find iteverywhere. Yeah, yeah, African nations
or India or you know, youknow, so it could always be some
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something out there. You know,you never know what were you saying,
Daniel, I was just thinking,you know, that really cheap like three
D animation that they do for likerecreations on the news, Like it's really
really cheap, like just above courtroomdrama sketch. You know, it's just
I'm just thinking, like funny animation. They just move like in a straight
(03:01):
line, no legs or arms.It's like, doctor, you must save
me. I've lost the use ofmy limbs. Come over here, turn.
Oh you got a turn. Ohit's amazing. I mean every about
every year, every year to oneto two years, they will release an
animated story and the quality oddly goesdown, which is I think it's because
(03:25):
of the money. Yeah, butyeah, yeah, people really watching this,
we'll still do it. Funny though, if like there was a lost
US episode, you know, yeah, we would definitely know about it though,
I mean right, well yeah thatwould have been redone as a season
one TNG episode because that's what theydid. So yeah, yeah, yeah
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kind of. I mean in away, it's not lost at all,
you know, I just know thereis no lost episode. Well that's the
thing with loss, you can neverknow if they're lost by default. So
I mean the cage to a certainextent, not that say lost. But
it took a while for us tosee the full thing. That's true.
That's true. Well, I willsay I posted in our I probably should
(04:08):
retweet on Twitter or someplace. Iposted in our slack chat for the Nerd
Party network under our Star Trek heading. A cool little video I saw just
last night when I should have beensleeping and instead was doom scrolling. It's
by Seth Duncan, and he's justtaught. I think he does other videos
(04:29):
about other Star Trek shows, butin this one, he's kind of having
a conversation with himself about DS nineand Voyager and what made them different and
what they made them special. AndI really like, you know, it
was like a six to seven minutevideo. It was a good chunk of
time, which is rare in thatformat. But I really liked it,
and that's why I shared it becauseit was very positive. It was very
(04:49):
like this is you know, thecool parts about why this was really interesting
and well done back then. SoI was like, oh, yeah,
Trek positivity. It's nice when weget it. Let's just sink our teeth
into it. But what about you, Daniel, are you plotting any new
(05:10):
Trek video games? Are you holdingshift? Ha? No? No,
no games, No such games atall. I. In fact, I
stole out a little bit on myinjury watch because I'm I'm trying to get
ready for uh A, Deadpool.Okay, I just watched Deadpool one because
(05:30):
my wife's never seen it and shewanted to get her request because she wanted
to get ready for it so thatshe were gonna watch. We watched one
just now and then we'll watch two, I guess in a couple of days.
Yeah. We watched Logan last night. I hadn't seen it ever,
so that was my first time,and now I'll watch Pool. It is
not a movie podcast, What didyou think of it? Because I think
it's one of those movies like MadMax. Uh, it's like people are
(05:55):
like a group of and then likeI watched it was like depressing to me,
Like it wasn't like it wasn't likedepressing movie. I need to go
take a shower. But I waslike, oh, this is the best
movie. I was saying. Imean it's good. I mean it was
fine. Like you said, itwas just a sort of a grim watch.
You know, it doesn't put youin a good mood, that's for
sure. But I had to watchit. This this first time i've seen
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it, so it was good.And then we went back and watched part
of the first X Men movie,which is very interesting to do now.
It's kind of like a capsule ofyou know, two thousand or whatever it
came out. It's a really interestingand everybody's so young. It's a funny,
but that's neat. Yeah, it'sinteresting. I'm watching a I think
it's an three movie for house Lightscalled twenty twenty five Days twenty fifth hour.
(06:43):
Sorry, it's a guy who's likethe last day before he has to
go turn himself in to go tojail for seven years. But it does
have Anna Paquin like right in theprime between X one and X two,
So I'm like, oh, there'srogue right there. So that was you
know, obviously she's done other things, but that's before she went to New
Orleans to deal with the vampires exactly. You're such a baby. She was
(07:08):
so young in that first one.It was like, I'm like, oh,
my goodness, she must have beenlike she was certainly younger when she
started. So yeah, but yeah, well all that to say. I
also, I don't remember if Imentioned it last week. I did finish
making it, so Patrick Stewart's autobiography, and yeah, the Star Trek parts
I did. It took you know, a couple of hours, the chats
(07:30):
titled for Darren. But no,it was good. And I mean,
obviously the vast majority of the storyis not about Star Trek. He does
jump to it a couple of timesas you're getting there, but it,
you know, it's all. Iwas satisfied with it because it was a
lot of things I already knew,you know, just retold by Patrick,
(07:53):
but there were other things that Ididn't know. I'll have to think through
it again on what some of thosewere. Ask if you could give us
your number one Star Trek tidbit thatyou got out of the number one most
interesting thing that you learn, youknow, I mean we all know like
that Patrick was very uptight in seasonone about like the seriousness of the acting.
(08:13):
And it makes a lot more sensein the context of having just listened
to him talk about his entire lifeand you know, time at the Royal
Shakespeare Company and and all of that. But yeah, I think it was
also interesting him talking about the StarTrek movies. You know, he talks
about Nemesis and Insurrection all of that, and you know, like we mostly
(08:37):
know that. I think one thingwe might have covered this in our talking
about Nemesis, but I think LeVarwanted to do Nemesis direct, to direct
it, and I don't remember whyhe didn't get the get the shot.
But but yeah, you know,I will say, I mean, on
(09:01):
a kind of a down note.It is also interesting because he's telling his
whole story. So you hear aboutlike how he kind of cheated on his
wife and that ended his marriage,like his first marriage, and like he's
been married three times. So itwas kind of a meet your heroes moment
(09:22):
where you're like, you know thisis or you didn't really fully know.
I mean, I knew as faras you know. Wikipedia shows his list
of marriages, you know, inthe little corner box, so it's like
you know there's a story there,but you didn't know the story. So
but I do say I do appreciatehow he everything with his love life.
(09:43):
He goes about in a very appropriateway. It's hard to describe, but
like I never feel like, ohman, I shouldn't be listening to this,
Like you're spilling all these like secretsof another person that's not there.
Like he's always tawdry yeah, he'salways sure whatever British word you threw up,
(10:05):
but no, I will say,well it was sad and you obviously.
And he has stated in the inthe book that his only real regrets
in life are the failures of hismarriages, like those are things he wishes
that he had had done differently.But but all that to say, it's
it's you got crazy stories about himdriving Paul McCartney's car with Paul McCartney in
(10:31):
the back, like just you know, going for a cruise, like it's
just yeah, a lot of alot of fun stories. I highly recommend
to any Star Trek fan to enjoydriving Walter Cohen. You know. Oh
well, you know that's just aharrowing experience that we will never repeat.
In the rain, Oh my gosh, Like I said, yeah, I
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could see the headlines, you know, local podcaster kills one of the thermating
namely episodes. You know, ohman, this no no, no,
no, no, no, no, oh yes. But speaking of toos,
so this was one where I hadthis idea a while ago. I
put the note in our list ofepisodes and then spent all of yesterday trying
(11:18):
to figure out what what was Italking about in that little note, I
hadn't put quite enough context, butI did figure it out. So what
I want us to do today isI'm going to give us specific TS episodes
because we just talked about, youknow how a lot of the last few
(11:39):
episodes and or I guess extra scriptsfrom TOOS were used in the beginning of
TNG, you know Naked Now slashTime being one of the most egregious rewrites.
But what I wanted us to dois I'll give us an episode and
a bit of a summary. Weare going to morph that into if it
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was made in T and G andrecast some of those characters. Now,
it's not going to be as straightforwardas Kirk is always Picard and you know,
you know McFadden is always well,I don't know why I would say
her actual name and not her uh, you know, Kirk would be Picard
and Crusher would be bones and thingslike that. So I try to pick
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data, Yeah, I try topick characters where it's more like, who
do we want to have go throughthat experience? It doesn't have to be
the one for one, uh,you know, post wise, So in
no particular order, we're jumping aroundbetween seasons two and three. Uh I
didn't pick any from season three orone and two, one and two.
(12:45):
I should say We're gonna start withArmac Time season two, episode one,
a Great Trek episode where Spock isbeing aggressive, Kirk disobeys at order and
takes him to the Vulcan planet andhe has to fight to the death for
his love to Powell. We're goingto be recasting Spock, Kirk and to
Powell. So who is seized by? Now? I will say I did
(13:11):
think a lot of what was itdata lore when where data gets seized by
you know, the the programming andthen goes off and they have no choice.
But I'm like, we're gonna ignorethat, and it could be anybody.
But who do we want to havebe seized by some sort of mania
and we have to take them backto their planet? Could be Riker,
(13:35):
could be anybody. I mean,but there's only one choice. But Dave,
what do you think? It can'tbe one of the human characters.
So I mean that's what I'm thisis what I cleaned today. Back to
Alaska for k I mean, wemistakenly go to Canada. That's gg season
eight. I mean, like tome, like and maybe I should fight
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the obvious, because the obvious tome is war and we go to Coronos
or we go well, he doesn'thave to be chronic a cling on planet.
But is that too easily? MaybeI should try to you know,
you should be trying to fight it. I always love I'm loving it.
I think we should go. Itshould be wharf, and we should go
to the ruined moon of Praxis becausewe get a nice cool tie memorial park.
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Yeah, yeah, memorial, thememorial park plantation of Praxis. You
know what, how what would thatbe? Like? I don't think has
a budget to show a half halfmoon, half exploded moon man painting stick
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in the background, or or footagefrom Star Trek six most likely which do
we even see it in? Ithink we do? We do at least,
yeah, sorry, we don't.We don't go on the planet,
but we see like the you know, the dashed line of like this is
where the surface of the planet shouldbe. It's not quite making a sphere
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anymore. Okay, Well, Ilike the idea of wharf, but did
you have any other thoughts, Likeit shouldn't be a sex thing, Daniel
Daniels, I get to talk Ihave the only thing I was going to
say. My mind immediately went toTroy. But I don't think. No,
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I don't know if it's better becauseI get concerned, especially if wait,
I don't know if you mentioned this, darn, but are we doing
specifically season one of T ANDG oris this whatever we want? This is
whenever? It's just making it aTNG episode. Uh synth music. Well,
because if it was season one,I would can zoom it on her
eyes and the like the light kindof like compress this to her and she
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gets that look and she's like,oh, it's happening, you know.
I don't know. I'm not sayingwe have to tie this to the like
crazy sex drive of the Beta's edswhere they have to you know, where
they when they enter what Beta's edmenopause, they go crazy. Yeah,
I was. I was just thinkingif it was season one, maybe it
wouldn't have been handled. Although we'rewriting it, so I guess we would
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go we would uh no choice becaused G season one. So what you're
saying, Daniel, Yeah, soI would say that she's at least a
candidate. I would be fine withwarf though. That's a good idea too,
So I think like Warf would belike peeing on the walls or something
like that. Again, no,I mean, I know you didn't say
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season one, but like if becauseI feel like you know, Regards,
we're hurting for a wharf cleanting onepisodes if we could, you know,
crowgard In, I gotta know howye are just to give her a little
bit more of life or something todo until like she has to because like
if I was just watching you watchingseason one again, is it was what
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where no one has gone before?Because we saw she had everyone had flashbacks
if you remember, and she hada flashback carrying the cat and like the
gig the rape gangs explicitly is whatthey're called. It's not good but anyway,
but it would have been interesting tosee a little slice of her life,
which I you know, how youtie it into like some illness and
the only cure is back at ourplanet or something. I mean, I
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I it's not a bad idea.I kind of gravitate towards not wanting to
make Yars suffer even more. Butyeah, you know, yeah, okay,
yes, it's I think you're right. Both Warf and Troy are good
choices. They're also both aliens.That makes sense in the in the Armark
time, like they're also going tohave to fight to the death. So
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do we want Wharf like you know, I mean, he has no trouble
killing any other click up. Itdoes fit a little more. I like
it, where as Troy just becauseI mean, because we can see so
much so little, Like it doesn'thave to bait it. It can be
besed. But we've seen so littleof Beta s that I mean, we
have technically seen it. But likeI was maating of it scenario where Troy
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has to fight Riker or advice Rikerhas to fight, right, I mean,
that's that's true that Wharf doesn't reallyhave a connection with a wharf.
Wharf doesn't have the spot Kirk connection. So what I was thinking, I
don't know why my mind went here, but I was thinking the card would
have to fight for Warf as partof his day. And but you know,
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I don't know. I think Ithink we're the needles a little bit
more. Troy is an interesting storythan war and Warf is. I mean,
he's going to show up in oneof these guys. We just know.
It's like prime, Prime character inZody Time. Inside, Oh,
in Zody Time. I love it. If you're going to say that Riker
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and Troy have to fight, arethey gonna have to do it naked?
Or is this the thing takes placein the nude? It's Olympian, I'll
say it. And and the entirearena is pitch black, so all you
is just here the fights. Youdon't see the fight, okay, and
then Topow would just be some betazoidman you know, yeah whatever, Tarrent.
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So this is twenty twenty four,but we have to have someone who
bikers like, you know, sizingup and feels threatened by all right,
all right, so so we haveAmzoti time. Troy has to go and
fight Riker to the pseudo death.We do some you know, medical trickery
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to avoid it. I mean itplays out roughly like how the episode does.
But all right, now we haveI picked like favorites guys, because
I was gonna pick some random youknow, mid season one that we have
to even rewatch to know. Yeah, trouble with Triples. It's a fun
episode. We did kind of redoit in DS nine, But what I'm
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thinking of is, well, itjust trew straight. It So there's a
couple of characters we have who startsthe fight. So in Trouble with Troubles
you have Scotty who does that.You have Chekhov, who's also kind of
you know. In the middle ofthat, you have Darvin, So we
get to cast a guest character,and we also have coloth So is it
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Klingon's is it another uh type ofvillain? I mean everything that it could
be tom a Lock showing up glaringat you know. I love I love
be a good Tomlock episode, mydear captain, tom My, dear God.
I mean I kind of I kindof dig it, like I want
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to see Toma Lock strutting around onthe station, not just like we only
see him ever on the viewer,like he's rarely ever, you know,
in personance. We don't know,we don't know. This will answer that
question. The problem is and here, and I know this is definitely out
of the scope of what we're talkingabout, but Darren, if you're going
to make the triple cannon and theycan and they can sense vulcans, then
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Commander Oh would have never made itto President whatever. Here about what happens
in Picard right now, Daniel,it's not, but I see what you're
saying. Maybe it's all the nonhumans. The Triples are very very racist
and and they hate anything but humans. What is it? You should know
this on top of your head.What's the the things they eat? The
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triples? Oh, glomers? Ithink something like that. I think it
should be glomers instead of triples.Now you think of something that starts with
G. We could tell you.I don't even know what they look there.
They're orange and they have like fourlegs down below them, so they
basically go over trible and like don'tspiderish yeah two m's so because I'm not
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picturing the it's you know, it'ssome space station and it's a neutral and
so that's why you have the rhymelike it's the neutral zone. It's literally
in the neutral zone. We justbooked the number up one, you know.
But it looks all modern and andthis is bizarre, but I'm gonna
go with this. As far aswho would start the fight, I'm thinking
and syn Row okay nice? Ohoh yeah, oh yeah it's she so
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yeah, no, I could definitelysee that because I can only see the
reverse where they're like they're talking aboutthe Enterprise and like, you know,
it's like I'm just making you canchange it, but like this is like
rogue data and Jordie and Jordi's Jordy'snot gonna fight. He's like, well,
I don't know, and and they'relike, I was just gonna talk
about the ship whatever, and thenand then then he changed to Picard and
h was like, what did yousay about captain? Yeah, think was
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culture religion, you know, andshe just gets really pissed. Oh oh
you said O'Brien Daniel. Yeah,just because he actually started to fight in
the other Triples episode, so ah, yes, that's true. Wait time,
Oh right, but no, Ilike, I like Roe starting to
fight. And it seems like Colothhas become tom Oloch, which is hilarious
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because I'm just yeah, it's justa whole bunch of rhymes sitting around the
bar like just like which they wouldnever do. But it's so t o
s that it's like they have topicturing and I know itssary stereotypical. I
am picturing a Ferengi for the forthe darting Rule. Yeah, not Darvin,
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because Darvin is the assistant who's who'sin mascar. Oh, so we're
thinking like the Sierraho Jones. Yes, I was thinking for Frangi's the Serraho
Jones. I know it's very stereotype. Whoever is selling the the glommers,
I thought of either, Yeah,Frengie could work or in T and G
they often use what are they yideonsthat they have the very rink Yeah,
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they have really wrinkly faces. AndWharf always hated gossip traders. Yeah,
basically the gossip traders. But wecould do a for Aggie that would be
man, there's so many aliens,we've got romulins. We got for Angie,
so it's a it's a human who'ssecretly a romulin. I like that.
I kind of yeah, just shortin the years a little bit a
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little easier to reverse. So right, we know it's possible. Yeah,
and if we could put this postface of the enemy, then you know,
she could be like, I don'ttrust them and they're insulting you,
captain. But all right, Ilike how like Tomlock just is the locked
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in like foil to tip card,but he's one of the few reoccurring villains
really in TG, we don't havethat many reoccurring ones. But he only
like I said, like Daniel kindof said, like if you total up
his screen time, it'll be whatseven minutes? Oh yeah, it's not
it's not a lot. But andhe's only over on screen, that's right.
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Yeah, all right, So keepingit in season one for a little
more, we have Dagger of theMind. This is where the Enterprise goes
to the weird like psychic, youknow, psychic psychic, the facility planet
with the doves and the daggers andall that stuff. Yeah, Kirk is
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sent to the institute and who breaksthem out? So that's that's how I
want to recast. So who whogets sent down? Are we throwing data
in? Is he getting reprogrammed?Is Jordie, you know, after his
time with the romulin weird conditioning?Is he getting conditioning again? This could
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be another easy one for Troy sinceshe is you know, technically yeah,
true, true, or yeah.You could also put Troy as who breaks
them out because she has the abilityto like see through the subterfuge. This
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is anything from these things? Isthis the Garth of Iyzar episode? Ah?
I I'd have to as the villain, you know, and the oh
I don't remember this episode very muchat all, vague memories of Yeah,
it's rehacilitation for the clemeniic sane.That basically the it's first time spot do
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mind meld? Yeah, all right, we'll give that to Wharf. Oh
it seems like a worse thing todo first time. He takes out his
mich left because I'm thinking of theone now, because I can't remember other
two Psychiatric Institute episode because one wordsGarth of Eyes are you know Captain Garth
Fleet Captain Garth and the Orion.You know that's true they do. Yeah,
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but maybe watch these episodes, guys. I'm just reading the description.
All right, well we can keepit simple. There's there's more fun ones
coming up, but so we'll justyeah, we'll make it. Troy,
Troy gets poor Troy gets sent tothe institution, and I mean, I
think there's a there's an overcoming elementthere and Wharf could break break her out
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and it maybe leads to a romance, because apparently does I think everybody would
love that? Would they? Daniels? That's our survey, which do you
like or not like more Warf Troyor Chicote? Seventh? The answer save
it for another episode. Film that'sgreat, great podcasting material. Seventh season
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romances should just rule with thumb.Never introduce as romance in the last season.
Just don't do it. Well,hey, or Ezri Bashir is another
one. Yeah, all right,so this one. Now in season one,
we have episode sixteen, the Galileoseven. This is the one where
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there's a group of seven led bySpock, McCoy, Scotty Yeoman, Mirrors,
Latimer, Gentano, and Boma.So all those crew meers the top
of the head. How'd you dothat? Yeah, so you know the
power of the internet. But they'rebasically stuck on a planet and they can't
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get back with the fuel, thespace fuel they have, so they might
have to leave some people behind.So everybody really hates Spock because he's the
one who's got to make that choice. Now, this is different than the
one where Sulu is stuck on theplanet and freezing to death and we have
to get him up, which I'vewhat I thought for a second that this
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was. But yeah, so wehave a whole lot of main characters and
side characters we can add to thisone. I'm I'm thinking one of these
guys is got to be Barkley.It just fits that he is. I
like it really stressing out over overwhat's going on Barkley. Now, obviously
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we don't have to send Data Crusherand the Forge as the main three.
We could, you know, justgo straight across the board as far as
roles. But we can also putanybody we want down there, probably not
Cambcard because that would be weird.But I mean, I like you said
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this without saying this, I likethis being the highlight of the side characters
episode. So like anyone who's who'spretty established. So you could have Barkley,
Yere Sogawa, Chief Ryan. Imean, like those would be your
sort of know, the not mains, but like it should be like a
celebration of all these sidekis could bethere too. Yeah, yeah, totally,
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this could be Like even over Row. I was thinking of what's her
name, the one who gets uhuh no Gomez, the one who gets
the coffee. Uh yeah yeah,like Gomez, He's never talked. She
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just mourns it the whole time.She never talks, right, I mean
to me, so this is againobvious, but let's not be the But
the obviously is because I think theissue there is in Galius was with Spock's
command. Oh you know he's toovulcan and you know he doesn't this decision,
(30:47):
right, Yeah, he doesn't wantto bury the person. Well I
have a funeral. It's not youknow, so, I mean this would
be the Candata command. It's it'svery much the Sutherland and the that chain
of command or no, it's yeah, birthright, isn't it birthright? It's
a two part Yeah. I thinkit's got to be data. It's got
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to be that conundrum. See whatI did there of a Like he's very
logical. He's like literally flow chartingout like who we should leave, and
they're like, how could you dothat? He's like, how would you
make the decision? Like someone's gotto make the decision. Although that does
mean, you know, because he'snot he's like what the third officer?
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I feel like second off? Well, first Riker? So that means that
Riker and Picard cannot be on thisship because they would outrank him. So
okay, so we got you couldhave some bit of that Row with Troy
during disaster. I think Row wouldbe the antagonist of like you can't.
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I mean, I don't think Rosein the maybe she would be, but
you know, she would be likePhraser. You know, I would rather
put Roe than O'Brien. I feellike O'Brien has so much character development in
TNG that like he's not this levelof background, like he goes on to
mainline, you know, a wholenother show. Like we're just trying to
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fill seats here, Darren. Okay, So okay, So we got Data,
We got Barkley, Ogawa, Roweand Gomez as our lower lower deckers.
So we have two other main charactersthat we have to also place on
the ship that are going to takeData's orders. We could just you know,
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just side thinking for another uh lowerright, So it's going to be
someone that we have to guess morethan one person. All right, sorry,
go Bez you just okay, okay, but uh well then we're going
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to give him a random name likeexactly could be could be Sorry, she's
generation to be in her movie.Yeah. That's the only continuity issue of
Generations is how the new guy MayaJamison. You could kill her off,
you know, probably not all theguest stars and yeah, we never know
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she could. Her character can die. She was in that one episode Outrageous
Oconna. Yeah, all right,Gates. Gates is gonna die, not
mccrannon. But okay, so wegot two other main crews, so I
say we send Jordie down. Ithink a Jordi data dynamic of him having
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to make this decision because Jordie isthe only one he would really like listen
to, like that he wouldn't listento other people. But yeah, well
the reason I'm I'm fighting in myhead is like, I now, I
want this to be like a secondseason because I don't want Jordy to be
a lieutenant commander, because then itcould be like season more data. Yeah,
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it's the said the Galley of seven. It's the what's that ship called
the God? Yep, no,it's the God. Yeah, I think
yes, so season one Jordy sohe's a lieutenant then, right and the
data outranks him. Yeah oh yeah, g yeah still in uh yeah,
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so that and I think, youknow, because they can obviously have those
discussions, but it will be interestingbecause data is also like, this is
a decision I have to make,Like you can't make this decision for me,
like it is my The burden ofcommand, The burden of command,
burden of Command, Episode No.It's God had seven. Uh. Okay,
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so Scotty is the only other onethat we haven't replaced. But well,
no, I know, but Iagain, I'm I'm just listing.
Okay, I put I put here, I put Jordi in the McCoy sat
just because McCoy was vocal but chiefand here he died. We never see
him again. Kill off all thefirst season chief engineer. Yeah, I
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mean it's a bold move, Philip, bold move, Argyle and McDougall at
the same time they're getting ready tothe god Aard nine to ten? How
many people can we fit inside thisship? This is why Jeordie takes over
in season two, because all thechief engineers died in this one mission.
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Okay, we'll send We'll send ourguy all down, I guess. Oh
right. Yeah, So this oneI thought would be really interesting, especially
because often there aren't a lot ofcharacters to recast in this type of scenario,
because there's just it's Kirk, Spockand McCoy for ninety nine percent of
the story plots, and that canonly be redone. But so far we've
had a lot of interesting characters.I do have a few more. We
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don't have too many because, likeI said, I picked tried to pick
episodes where it's like very known andvery easy. I'm looking through space Seed
who plays con No. Yeah,but the next one I thought of was
City on the Edge of Forever fromseason one episode twenty eight. So we
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have Kirk, Spock and McCoy.So someone's got to go crazy, someone's
got to and then two other peoplehave to go back in time. I
mean there are we could just dostraight up time zero Daniel if you really
know this too, No, that'smuch further back though. Yes, what
(37:04):
do you guys think it's gonna beRiker Ricord falls in Loose People? Right,
Well, we haven't. We haven'tgiven Riker a new uh re recast
him yet. So well again I'mtrying to uh. I mean, I'm
not disagreeing by on, So like, can we help people who don't have
a lot of episodes? So I'mlike, anybody, this could be a
Beverley episode. Maybe you know,we don't use her a lot, So
(37:27):
like I said, crazy or goingback in time? Well and Troy,
right, they could be the onesthat go back and okay, okay,
I'm all on board. Yeah,so we have Crusher and we have Troy.
Oh, I really like that.That actually makes it really interesting and
they're stuck in like the and that'strue. We also have to take where
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when are they going? I mean, it could be the same, but
it could be some other time wherewomen have no rights and they got to
fight or something, because I'm thinking, you know, instead of this,
because you know, if you rememberthe episode, it starts off on the
ship but in order to come I'ma Star Trek fan, phil about dare
you say? I don't remember thecity on the edge of Forever? But
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this could be on a planet whereit's just a small away team. So
it's just like Troy, Beverly andpick man of your choice. You know,
maybe it's Riker. Maybe it's Geordiewho gets injured and then that's where
Beverly treats him and then he goescrazy and jumps through the portal. I
kind of like the idea of Rikerbeing crazy because again, we don't see
them the majority of the episode becauseit's a time dilation just a little,
(38:37):
but it adds a little bit ofintrigue because of Troy being there. So
yeah, and I just want tosee Jonathan Franks pop up into frame like
A I'm not crazy, I'm crazy. I mean, we know we could
do it. We know Riker coulddo crazy. So I think we're I
think we're good. Okay, Soso Crusher and Troy go back in time,
(39:00):
A win that. I mean,I was kind of thinking what if
they went it's kind of similar ishdecade, but they went to the suffragette
era, and so it's kind oflike they would love to move suffragette you
know, things forward, but ithas to happen at that time, and
(39:22):
because it'll mess up the future orsomething. It doesn't have to be that.
It could be any other time.But I was just thinking, or
it could be some pseudo future timelike two thousand, you know four drugs.
Yeah, with the sanctuary districts andall of that. I mean,
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it could be the same, right, It could just be the same,
could be the Nazi, It couldbe well because the reason end of the
war, yeah, to kind ofmake it, you know where it's not
like how were we going to putthem in dresses and they don't have any
rights. But that's why I wasthinking, you could do war because you
know, they could be working ata plant or something. Because women did
of course all the work there.Okay, so Troy is a rosy riveter
(40:05):
and and Crusher is working in likea well again because if all the men
are off to war, you knowno, but she's like, you know
again, they're doing a lot ofthe work at home because the men are
all away. So that I likethat, Okay, Uh yeah, I
like crazy Riker. That's the endof the episode. People would assume he
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came back from the war, youknow he was that he's like shell shocked.
They don't that's they don't realize oryeah, because they didn't call it
PTSD back then. I know.I was like, I'm like, what
did they call it back then?I mean shocked. I think it's pretty
close. That was more Vietnam,but basically the same thing. Well or
World War One. I think thatphrase was used a lot after World War
(40:58):
One. But uh, all right, so I got one more. Uh
this one's a simple, simple recastseason three. I was trying to think
of a season three one, guys, because not a lot of Fox brains.
What I picked exactly what I picked. Uh. So we have Spock
whose brain are we saving today?I mean, this is this has to
(41:20):
be data. I mean it justhas to be right. It can't be
anybody else. It shouldn't have beenSpock when it was foxed. So like
there's a shot where like someone opensup the back panel of Data's head.
It's just a void, like there'sjust it's like they literally took or it's
like instead of Spock's brain, it'sData's head. Yeah, yeah, it's
times errors guy, Yeah, butwe did you make it better? Hold
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on, where's Mark Plain? Where'sMark Plain? Saying that for a majority
of this episode it's going to bejust a neck on Brin Spiner the whole
episode. Time, we can likecut to him whoever is you know his
head is missing, that is whatI'm saying. We can cut to that
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scene where it's sprint Spider's head ona table and he could be talking to
his captors. Do that trick.I don't even know they cut they caught
a hole in it. Take aroundTroy No, No, I like that.
I mean, and you could evenif he wanted to tease a little
(42:28):
bit of Lore, it could belike both their heads and they're having convers
and it's a it's it's a they'retrying to figure out who is who click
them on just by questions alone,like the whole two door you know two
guard phenomenon, like one only lies, one only tells the truth and and
and you're like, oh, whichone is? It obviously has to be
way less obvious than it ever is. And Lord Data episodes because I mean,
(42:49):
granted he does like impersonate him once, but you know, we can
all kind of tell, you know, it's Lord. A third slot that's
empty that they never talk. He'sgot a birth mark behind his left ear
that has an L. You knowwhat could that mean? I don't know
what about this? What if werewrite the Most Toys and that guy lives
(43:09):
at the end of the episode,and then he's the one that comes back
to take Data's head because he's madthat okay, okay, can he live
at the end of the episode?No, the ship get up, doesn't
it doesn't the ship get blowed up. He's about to shoot him, and
then they beamed Data up and he'slike, oh, I guess the phaser
must have Oh yeah, I wasthinking of a different episode. What episode
(43:30):
am I thinking of? When theship gets built up and they think Data
is Dad? That's what I wascross at the beginning of the episode.
Well that is the beginning of that. Okay, okay, that's yeah.
So yeah, so he's still alive. Yeah, you're okay. So we're
combining it with Most Toys as farit's a sequel. Yeah, it comes
back. This comes back even moretoys most Toys. But we need to
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have a shot where like he hasa tricorder and he's pushing the button and
and Data's body in the background iswalking like Frankenstein, like left right,
left right, you know, pushingthe the the individual. But they're just
shooting someone from the neck down right. All the camera shots are like this.
(44:13):
Yeah, they're like, we're notgonna we don't have enough effect budget
to do all those shots. Soit's it's very obvious. We're like,
well, you just did the cameralike that, so you didn't have to
remove his head and post like yeah, there's a lot of those shots.
But yeah, or it could beoh ooh ooh, I like it where
(44:36):
okay, I feel like, okay, someone look up the name of the
character because I don't know why Ican't remember him, but fa fabio fajo.
What if he he still wants Data, So unfortunately he captures Lore unknowing
that it's like the worst thing hecould possibly do. It's like how incredibly
(45:00):
dangerous Lore is. And that's howLore gets back in service is Fajo puts
them back together, and then wehave the the most data's heads. Whatever
we're calling this episode, it's terrible, terrible episode. Well, we've had
(45:21):
a fist full of data. Thisis a neck full of data. A
neck full of Data's jeez. Afun fact that I didn't know about about
Memory Alpha. Apparently they have apage for every individual episode, because which
I have no idea. I didnot know that because I got time.
(45:43):
But you know, and I justwant the cover art for this Darren to
be Data with the green screened headlessform. Well, I was thinking of
a shot of the godd Ard withthe word Galleo seven written out in the
bottom. But we'll see crossed.A couple got a couple of Fago,
(46:04):
Yeah Fajo. Okay, not Fabio. That's a different, different guy.
But no, I like that kindof most toys follow up bringing Lure back.
That sounds like a much better episodethan the actual episode Spock's Brain.
I mean, we we already didthat. We already looked back at Spock's
brain and we didn't. We giveit like one tiny tweak and it was
(46:27):
like ten times better. I can'tremember what that tweak was, remember it
was all right? Well yeah,well that was my my list of a
handful of episodes from TOS giving itthe one fistful exactly, giving it the
TG treatment. Yeah, it wasreally fun. I mean I was worried
(46:50):
a little bit that it would justfall into you know, Spock Kirk McCoy
becomes riker data, you know,and hard, but it didn't. Really.
We didn't really bring any Picard.He's not in any of these,
so he gets in a screen timehe does, he'll get the movies.
Yeah, all right, well,Philip, if someone wanted to talk to
(47:16):
you about where you keep the mostof your toys, where would they talk
to you. There's certain touts onthe floor right now because I was cleaning
and my TG bridge set, whichhas a bit of a monster how big
that thing is pretty big? Yeah, and you know British flats are not
(47:36):
torsly big. So right now it'sjust on the floor with the action figures.
I mean, it's all neat somethinglike I'm just gonna leave it there.
If you're playing with your toys.That's okay, Philip. You don't
have to say I was cleaning andthey were on the ground. We all
know with that and everything up.As my wife walked in, she's like,
this is what you do in here? Huh. They can find me
on Instagram, on c apt sfUFP and Daniel, if you wanted to
(48:01):
share where someone could find you totalk about your brain, I don't know
something like that. They could pickmy brain, sure, pick your brain
all on Memory Alpha Yep, yep, you can find me out one.
I'm Dan. That's the number one, not the word. And if someone
(48:22):
wanted to talk to me about howmany rolls of fishing line I used to
suspend my god Ard seven over myhead, they can talk to me at
doctor sci Fi dot com d Rs c I F I Well, I'm
Darren Moser, I'm Philip Gelphus.I'm being over well, we are stranded
here playing with toys on City Alphathree
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