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Welcome to the late 1990s. "Star Trek: The Next Generation" has been off the air, entering the universe of feature films. "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" is ending, having found its voice and identity. "Star Trek: Voyager" has taken its first steps, and now carries the weight of continuing the franchise.
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In the original timeline of TV, Berman and company, under the auspcies of UPN, begin development of a 22nd Century prequel series that will become "Enterprise." But what if ... the next series had continued the story of the 24th Century?
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Welcome to the late 1990s. "Star Trek: The Next Generation" has been off the air, entering the universe of feature films. "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" is ending, having found its voice and identity. "Star Trek: Voyager" has taken its first steps, and now carries the weight of continuing the franchise.
What's next?
In the original timeline of TV, Berman and company, under the auspcies of UPN, begin development of a 22nd Century prequel series that will become "Enterprise." But what if ... the next series had continued the story of the 24th Century?
The trio imagine what series will now air contemporareously with "Voyager" in the late 90s. Enter "Star Trek: Starfleet Command," which takes a "higher decks" (if you will) approach to the operations of Starfleet and the Federation. See how planetside environments and Earth Spacedock provide unique settings to continue Trek adventures, spanning the post-Dominion War era. How will the Fleet be rebuilt? What scientific discoveries and explorartion have been ignored during combat? Can the admirals actually agree about the future? And where does the real decision-making take place??? (HInt: Welcome to future golf!).
Join this exciting new installment in the Trek franchise that never happened, with "Star Trek: Starfleet Command."
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Welcome to the Nerd Party. I'mDarren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphis. I'm
Daniel Prue, and this is CityAlpha three. Hello everyone, and welcome
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to Setti Alpha three, a StarTrek podcast here on the Nerd Party.
I'm your host, Daniel Prue,and with me, as always are my
two buddies, Darren and Philip.Now, Philip, you are are I
would say I'm not even knee deep, not even waist deep, but it
seems shoulder elbow or maybe neck deepin your tea and g Season one rewatch,
because it seems like every day inour chat you're going through giving us
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a little bit of thoughts here andthere. So it's just reminding us how
far we have not progressed on ourown season one chat. That is why.
Yeah, well see it's funny yousay that because they're on I've had
the exact opposite thoughts. I'm like, okay, and I'm like, so
what episode am I on? Likenine out of what twenty six or something.
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I'm like, this is gonna beforever. Oh see. That's why
we're standing still so that you canrun. No, I mean no saying
that, I mean, I meanI'll say this, and this is a
personal opinion. I mean, there'snot been an episode yet, even the
you know, early ones like theCode of Honor. I haven't gotten Angel
one yet, so maybe I'll changemy team and get there. But it's
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not been like an episode like,uh, well, I'm just gonna watch
this because it's in the order.I was like, I've gotten something new
every time. And maybe obviously it'sbecause I don't dyeing the wool TNG extremists,
but but it's just like, oh, there's always something new. There's
always so I don't remember that,you know. I think a big key
to a good rewatch is having enoughtime of past that it's not that you've
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forgotten the episode, but there's alot of remembering going on. I'm like,
oh, yeah, oh this iscool. Jeordie's still read. Oh
look how many times they put themin the center seat, or just little
things like that that are fun torediscover. And I'm sure I've watched it
in its current quality before. I'mwatching on Netflix Netflix UK. But it
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doesn't really pop like it because youthink of like, oh, season one
in my mind is like the SDand it's like just the doesn't look like
it's you know, it's HD whateverit is. It's like even the season
win uniforms, which you usually thinkare so old looking, like you know
what I mean, I like theother ones better, but I'm like,
they're growing on me. There's notthat bad, you know, Yeah,
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why they put the little pin stripinglike it's you know, no callers,
Like, they're not bad uniforms.The fact that when they evolved with like
the with the with the callers andthe sweatshirt a little bit of change.
The fact that it was just atweak. It wasn't like we're going to
reinvent the uniform. This isn't workingLike it wasn't that And it's one of
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us talking because it really just Butit did make me think because of the
battle, which we can talk aboutanother time, but for the flashback for
the battle, this is you know, card flashback into his Stargazer time.
Those folks are wearing that uniform.Now, you know, five years later,
would they make a different decision.But it made me think, like,
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as as TNG watchers, if you'rewatching this for the first time and
think, oh, these are newuniforms, what if they're really old uniforms
and that's why they changed them,Like what if Starfli's been wearing that spanex
for like ten years or fifteen years, because it's like the only thing we
have at a certain standpoint is likethe Jack Crusher holiday from you know,
without getting into the timeline, butI think that's about you know, ten
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fifteen years ago. We could saymaybe, but anyway, Yeah, and
you mentioned that when you were talkingabout the Battle of how Beverly isn't phased
by it? Although I don't,it's never a stablished like Jack Crusher doesn't
die in the Battle of Maxia,like, so I always got the impression
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that he died a couple of yearsat least before and sometime between his death
and the Battle of Maxia, whichis the last battle of the Stargazer and
where when it is lost. That'swhen they change from the no under No
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No Fuzzy Caller, uh, theWrath of con Monster Monster Maroons to the
you know TNNG season one's costumes.Well, we know we have to do
some math, but I mean wecan know Wesley, right, so it
has to be fifteen years prior toepisode one. Well, right, so
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the question back between fifteen years ago, he's wearing the season one uniform.
Right. Oh, I see,so the recording was taken. Yeah,
that's true because it's the recording butJack recording and the drag Crush recording.
He's wearing the maroons, right.But like you're saying, Philip, the
flashback of bringing Jack's body home,the card is not in a Monster maroom,
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which means Jack wouldn't be in aMonster room at that time because you
know, but the record, butthe recording could have taken place when he
was It sounds like he took it, made it when he was born,
just in case. Like you know, he's in Starfleet. Starf is dangerous,
you know, and too we knowthat econonically O'Brien makes the letters every
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time he goes on in away mission. I remember that from a lieutenant read
I believe, right. Oh really, Oh does he for a sister or
something? Is that right? Ican't remember, I think or something.
Well, Darren, I know youwere probably still on the very beginning of
where no man has gone before,isn't he? That's right around a little
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bit. But it's it not thatI'm not actively rewatching, because I'm not
actively watching TG, but I justhave I have other things on my plate
to to fill it. I raisemy children. I still have a good
amount of time to sit down andwatch the latest season of For All Mankind
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I show I love, but I'veI just want to get in that mode
of like, it's more like I'mworried that once I started like that's the
next ten hours of my life,because that's what I did. I think
in the previous season where I'm like, oh, I'll just I'll watch a
few and it never it never workslike that. I'm always like up till
three finishing it, and that's that'snot good. And then, Daniel,
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how are you dealing with, youknow, another twenty first century star trek
show to end its run? How'sthat so you did? That's a good
segue there. Sorry, I wasdistracted because I looked up Jack Crusher picture
Google Google picture, and it justmakes me mad because I don't I'm so
mad she named that character Jack Crusher, and so it makes me so upset.
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It bothers me so much. Anyways. Anyways, yes, Philip,
with let's you know what, let'skeep the nineties Trek times rolling. Although
technically what we're about to do thisexercise would would have been bringing new nineties
Trek into the millennium. But we'lltalk about that. I was thinking after
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Deep Space nine ended, let's pauseit. Let's come up with another show
that would take place at that time, be produced at that time at the
same that would take place in thesame it would overlap with Voyager, just
like the Space nine twenty three seventies. It's not so much going into the
new millennium, but it's still rightsorry that in our time, in present
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time. But it would be aquote unquote modern Trek production at the time
that would take place, and itwould take place right after Dodaces nine season
seven, so it would be theseason five a Voyager, and it would
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go for seven seasons. Let's justsay whatever, So what would we want
that to look like? And howwould we want this show to go?
And if let's just start there,because I have some other ideas that we
could shoot off of if we kindof stumble. But let me just see
if you guys like any big picturethings. Would you want it to be
a d Base nine sequel show orwould you want to do another quadrant?
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But you know, again, thisis a gurtin Voyager, a fifth quadrant.
We've got to consider that it's aconcurrent Voyager, And so what would
you guys would want to have seen? Would you want to have seen another
sort of subversion of expectation like withdo Days nine, or maybe a back
to basics like something a voyager justjust just throw some ideas out there.
If you don't have any, that'sfine, we can have a couple.
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But I thought maybe we'd start thereon sept thing. And as you were
talking, this idea came in myhead, which is probably not original,
but often Star Trek will do nota backdoor pilot, but a setting of
the table. So for instance,Next Generation we had and son Row we
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had, oh god, what's theCardassian said? Anyway, the really good
one with the Phoenix, I can'tremember the name top of my head,
but that was sort of setting thetable. So then when DS nine started,
it wasn't like, who are theMarquis, who are Karadassians? Who
were Bajorans? You know, Voyderdidn't really need that per se, I
mean, other than the Maquis storysemi continued in DS nine, so that
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was a little more established. Butyou know, Voyager list, we really
didn't need to know much Star Trek, you know nothing new as far as
you know the fact that by thetime you got to DS nine, you
knew you'd met Kardassians, you'd metPajorans. It wasn't like two brand new
races. We didn't know a lotabout them, but they weren't brand new.
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And so what immediately thought popped inmy head as you were talking,
because again the sneinso or Voyagers on. If only there was some sort of
voyager episode that already could be abackdoor pilot. And that's it's happens to
be right here on my table herewithout breaking anything that Prometheus. I thought
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you were gonna say equinox. I'mlike, uh, I don't because and
I'm not saying you have to dothis, but there's an arbitrary rule in
putting out which you can erase of, like there can only be one or
zero reoccurring characters, you know,But I mean, because you know,
yeah, we could do sequels,which we've done before, but I think
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you gotta have to like Rain BobPa Carter could do two roles, I
mean, or or Andy Dick ifhe could rein it in for you know,
a couple of years. He couldbe the EMAH. But anyway,
but as far as we've established theship, now the crew is dead or
whatever, so we can do awhole new crew, but we've at least
established the ship and so well.And I like the fact that you could
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make it with a small tweak tothat episode that a copy was left of
the MH so and and I meanthat doesn't stop anything that happens in Voyager.
Voyager continues on. There's no moremicrowormhole or whatever, you know whatever.
I have the copy of the doctorfrom the future episode if you remember
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that, the episode, Oh yeah, that's right. So yeah, so
this could be this is the alphaquadrant copy of our EMH friend. And
then they become the continuing character.And like you said, like I'm sure
we'll have Andy Dick for a littlewhile. I don't know if he's going
to be running the entire length.But the word cancel culture had been invented
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in the nineties. They're just throwingthat word out there, and we'll leave
it at that, all right,Okay, Okay, I like it.
I'm gonna I'm gonna sco over toDarren. Now, Darren, do you
have any any any concepts or ideasthat you want to go over, because
I do have one that I wantto bring up and doesn't rhyme with the
Academy, So we could do theAcademy show. We could because because because
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because people seem to want it forwhatever reason. But I assume all of
us would want to leave that conceptbehind. But do you have any It
seems like Philip wants to do traditionalstarship Starship Philip's to go back and star
trek. Well, it's it's interestingbecause I was trying to think, you
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know, of what to do,and I mean, it's it's hard,
guys, because, like you know, starting from scratch. But I the
constraint or direction I kind of gavemyself was Okay. I started to think
about the sets because remember TNG setsransitionedinto Voyager, So like the warp core
was basically rebuilt in the exact samespot, the curve of the hallway.
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Like, yeah, obviously a lotof things change, but the bones,
the skeleton of the ship of theset is pretty much the same. So
I started to thinking, okay,well, DS nine is going off the
air. What if we semi tailoredour story around maybe like a star base
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or something else that like like,obviously we're drastically modifying the promenade, but
the fact is we have the basicpromenade structure, we have the op structure,
we have a lot that's already beenbuilt, so it's cheaper and easier
to I'm not talking re skin likeyou know, slow a bit of paint,
like we have to tear down thatCardassian fascist is sore. But yeah,
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but i mean obviously eagle eye viewerswill be like, oh, this
is obviously the promenade, Like wecan tell you changed, you know,
a bit, but but it maybestart thinking of like maybe we did this,
Yeah you turn them, make themsquare instead of like eyelids now.
But all that to say, Ithought it would be really cool if we
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did something. I mean, Iknow, we just had a station show
at that point, but you coulddo like Space Doc one, uh where
you're literally like, I don't,I know. The whole point is exploring,
and I'm sure we would explore atsome point, but I'm kind of
interested like Star Trek Earth or likeStar Trek Space talk like like set again
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not you could dabble into the academyand stuff like that, but that's not
the focus, Like, the mainfocus is we are at like heart campus,
you know, we're at the heart. We're at the heart of the
Federation. Like we never spend aton of time, but whenever we do
spend time on Earth, it's reallyinteresting. We have things like Paradise Lost
and Home Front. We have thingslike Star Trek five, Like every time
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we go to Earth, it's reallycool, but we never have a And
I get the point of that is, you know going is that what I
said? You said five was tryingto figure out how rock Monster put a
eye in front of that, right, and he was climbing the rock that
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was on Earth. You're right,You're right, true, That's totally what
I was meant for five minutes.In the last five minutes. The greatest
part, guys, Now here's thething, Darren, you and I have
stumbled, I think into the samething. This is what I'm thinking.
I was actually thinking of a title. Uh maybe maybe then we can tweak
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it Starfleet Command and it takes placeon Earth. That's way better than Star
Trek Space Dock. That's what IYeah, I don't think that's gonna fly,
but like it. It's dumb,but it's better. I like how
Darren is like, guys, youknow we're gonna re tweak. It's not
like to eat Space nine. It'sStar Doc one, you see. It's
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a different number, even more stationthose three Earth Space Doc starts. The
Command is way better, way bettertitle. Okay, So I'm thinking,
okay, so, and and justto sort of blended together with Voyager.
Of course, because it's still goingon, we would yet character and so
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all those scenes that we have LieutenantBarkley's regular don't you try? Well,
I guess, but I'm thinking mostlyand I don't want the whole show to
focus on this, but I dothink it should be a part of it
is the post war stuff. Idon't want it to I know we just
had the times, but I wantto know how the treaty. I really
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like in this we can get intopolitics. We can get into like like
discussions about, oh, we discoveredthis new anomaly from the USS over here,
what should we do? And thenwe're in the room, the meeting
room, where these these people arehaving these conversations like how do we handle
this and what do we do?I would like the idea of a new
doctrine to be developed over the showlike to prevent something like what happened in
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the Space nine from happening again.Like maybe if there's a wormhole, like
like maybe if there's a wormhole,we don't go through it just with all
the really like without asking permission firstor or whatever, you know, you
know, like a like a likelike like world first, what about we
have problems at home? Well whatabout this? What about There's two competing
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doctrines. One is, hey,we need to be ready to fight our
neighbors again if war happened, sowe need to arm we need to have
like listening posts and space stations thatwe need to gear up because what if
the Cardassians make another alliance with likesome other like basically they're worried about another
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block forming. And then the competingdoctrine is like, hey, we just
survived a war. We need peace, we need alliances. We need like
like hey, let's maybe bring theKlingons fully into the federation maybe, Like
so both are good, both havemerit, but they're very different, you
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know, ways of going about theproblem of a secure continuation of the federation
because the Federation just got rocked likeby the Dominion war as a war like
it's never seen before. But Ireally like that post war you know,
flavor of Daniel. And then Ialso like the fact that it's technically,
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you know, nineteen ninety nine,two thousand ish, so we can bring
mine well could possibly be around.That's not not exactly what I was meaning,
but I mean I'm joking. Imean that's a good you know,
that's our headspace I was working.Remember the ninety nine or two thousand that
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you have. You can have TGguest stars, is what I mean.
Like, if you want Jonathan Franks, because man, he loves showing up
on other shows, you know,he can, he can show up,
Patrick Stewart can anybody who wants tocan for a moment, because they're at
this point, we're post insurrection,pre Nemesis, so the ENTERPRISEE is zipping
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around. We're all wearing the youknow, the first Contact uniforms, and
so yeah, I like that we'renot changing the uniform for a new series
because they love to do that.Seven years, the whole seven years,
just the first Contact. I'd say, well, I'd say I like it,
so I'm just saying changing. I'dsay the standard Starfleet crew is in
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the the the d s nine,you know, uniform, but I'd say
the because it's starts the command I'dsay the Admiralty has a more more flourished
like everyone comes in the other's close. Admiral with a cloak. I'm just
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writing that down. Admiral with acloak, and he's not the villain.
He's more just the like you again, it's gonna be one of those like
the cigarette smoking man from X Files. It's it's always in the corner of
the Admiral with a cloak. It'sgotta happen. Well, I'm not saying
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to steal the series idea, butwhen you said Admiral Paris, which instantly
came into my mind. And Iknow Darren's more the expert this, but
I was thinking at least the framingof how the main cast would look like
was Stargate because with Admiral Parents,I didn't forget the character's names there,
but like General what's his face,you know, General General Ham. Yeah,
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yeah, he's like the loose Imean, he's not the main character,
but he's sort of as far asin the universe, kind of the
in control. But then you haveall the other characters, like Admiral Paris
is not necessarily you know, gonnabe in every episode. But that's sort
of the framing of the organization,right. He is our window, he
is our character. We know hea lot of stuff is going to happen
around him. He's not the highestin an admiralty, but he's he's our
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anchor. It's not like, here'sa group of ten new admirals and we
don't know any of them, Like, no, we need to know a
couple of them. We're going tosee the fleet captains commonable you've heard these
ranks have never seen. So it'slike instead of lower decks where we're we're
going below the main crew upper decks. These are like, you know,
upper deckers, that's what they callthem. Geez. I would love the
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show to establish and like build theserules, like come out with like like
I don't know, like you saida dozen or so, like a council.
Don't call it a council, butyou know what I mean, like
a like likes like already a federationcouncil, Daniel, this a level a
level life basically exactly right, Soyou have like ten people at the boat
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arguing in here. This is thewar room, you know, and then
we deal with like the staff belowthat or whatever. Yeah, and you
those are the they're not lieutenants,they're like commanders, but that's still like
a lieutenant level when you're all admirals, like your commanders are still serving the
coffee. Yeah, they're still like, oh, I get that report for
you, sir, you know,and then get that command one day,
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I'm carrying a stack of pads.Why I don't know. I gotta look
busy. All these could all beone pad. We all know it.
I know it. You know it. Sorry you said no, It's okay.
I think it's great. And likewe can actually build the rules for
like we can see the the separationof like how Earth is handled, like
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on a civilian perspective, and thenlike all that sort of stuff. We
can world build all that sort ofstuff where it's like we can see the
different levels of government how how howeverything is being handled. And I think
it'd be a lot of fun,you know what I mean. And and
we talked a little bit about thepost war stuff, and I like your
idea, Darren, like to givethis like the chief of security or whatever,
you know, Admiral security. Dude, give him, like give him
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like the cautious sort of I wantto you know, have bigger teeth,
but ultimately still wants the best.He doesn't have to be like a villain,
like he's just at odds. Well, because you have you know,
you have admirals like Admiral Ross,who is under arrest at this point,
but like you know, there's stillpeople who think like him. Who who
Admiral Ross from d S nine.Yeah, why is he under arrest because
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he started a coup and tried totake over? Thinking another admiral, Admiral
Ross is and DS nine that wasCisco's guy. I think you're thinking of
of Earth, the Earth's admiral.Right, yeah, that's a different guy.
Why am i no, No,you're you're right, No, you're
right, I'm thinking of Paradise Loss. But why am I thinking the wrong?
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You know? Ros So that's right, Ross is a good, good
guy. Okay, I don't knowwhy. Well, yeah, all admirals
by definition, Well, we gotto change that. That's gonna be the
point of the show is to changethat bad mantra. But I love the
fact that you could have, youknow, the chef could be around like
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we see her. You know,she's a known Shelby. Yeah, she
could. I mean, she's notgonna be an admiral, but she could
be like a character you know onThe Rise. She's the Rise and Layton.
Okay. So I don't know whyI thought Ross because he's it's because
of Cisco and he's if there's nineout ten times he's with an admiral,
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it's Ross. So you could have. Oh I was gonna say, Uh,
I don't know why. I can'tremember the character's first name, but
Ben Cisco's dad, he can.We're on Yeah, mister, I know,
I know he's got a better namethan that. Uh, I'm not
saying name. It's Ben, It'sJake, and it's Joseph. You're right,
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okay, but anybody on earth likeeven like you said you this like
allows us to see even ge there'snine characters, but could could could come
through or whatever. Man, I'mtrying to think we want to well because
I honestly would say, give givethis to Iris, even Bear and Ronaldy
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Moore. So we're having the samelarge nebulous cast format of d S nine,
where you have your principles, butyou have a lot more like you
know, we we know Ben youknow, we know Joseph Cisco and we
know the people in his restaurant.Like those are tangential characters at best.
But like we actually get some fleshingout, like we know what's going on
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in Louisiana, in North America,you know whatever we called that, you
know, because we find out wecan find out what, yeah, what
things are divided into, which uha bunch of star Fleet from a casting
standpoint, And I know we didn'tdo this because looking at Enterprise because basically
we're nothing bad about the Enterprise wherewe're kind of getting rid of Enterprise for
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the moment, but we're Enterprise.Yeah, yeah, that we a more
international cast. I mean, thiswould be the opportunity for it. I
mean it's always going to be anAmerican main character. I get it because
of stuff, but anyway, butI mean, this is the thing for
stuff command. Like it's really anopportunity. I mean, not that we
haven't you know, we have afair number of UK people in d S
nine and elsewhere, but like thisis to really open it up, like
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France, let's have an actual Frenchperson, which we almost had a for
Voyager captain or at least Canadian butanyway, but yes, it's like really
kind of dig into like South Americanand you know, try to get it
to like really give it that feelof international earth. Okay, I want
to throw this out here because Idon't think he's anywhere else in track.
(27:15):
And I know it's a little wecan double cast a little west Wing,
but I want to cast no,no, I want, I want.
I want Jimmy Jimmy Smith's as thepresident of the Federation. Okay, and
it could be as a human yeah, but well you know, but I
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don't know, because that's the otherthing. I mean. I'm not saying
we have to cast this whole thingor or figure out our main character,
because because most likely our main characterwould be a new actor, you know,
because it's you could bring over othercharacters, like you like Admiral Paris,
but it's not like Star Trek,not like a brand new guy that
just got out of acting school.Yes, yes, I considering Scott Bacul.
(28:06):
It was how the casting went forthe next series, you know,
well it would be it would bea chance too for I would say most
of the cast to be at leastthe ones that we saw like older people,
you know what I mean like right, not older older, but there
are seasons you know, in thetwenties. Yeah, yeah, they'll be
going for formal models. But Iwas, you know, semi joking about
(28:26):
West wing ties in. But obviouslypolitical is a major aspect of this show.
You're going to have aids, You'regoing to have like you know,
like we're going to learn about theFederation News Service. We're going to learn
you know, Jake writes for him. Yeah, we we we've been established.
And it's interesting because this kind ofa show, it it has the
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potential to flesh out a lot ofthings that we've heard of but we've never
seen. I think that's what makesit really interesting, and to me,
the interesting post war scenario because they'llhave the kind of a core pitch to
this, you know, which Idon't have that's sort of what's your turble
left pitched? How to get there? It has to turning on my rocket.
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You gotta go fast. But it'slike post war because we were so
concerned obviously about winning the war,so much stuff has sort of been piling
up on the table in the inbox. And but it could be like exploration
stuff like anomalies we don't have beenlooking at or there's new technology we didn't
know about, or you know,the non war stuff, and now you
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sort of have like here you go, you know, a you sort of
have two things a the exploratory scienceinbox, but then you also have the
rebuilding the fleet basic inbox, andso you have like that's where your sort
of conflict can be between you know, we can have characters kind of representing
both sides, or departments representing bothsides having become to Admiral Paris, who's
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going to get the most attention andresources blah blah blah blah. Yeah,
and I like that thought of youknow, obviously this is a post scarcity
society, but there's still resources.We still have only so many ships and
we have only and we've lost alot of those resources. So yeah,
I would I would like to seelike, okay, we need to Yeah,
(30:19):
it's like okay, hey we're rebuildingships or we we have our first
new set of Ross class ships,you know, which is actually class you
know, named after Admiral Ross thatI misplaced on Earth. But you know,
okay, so where where are theygoing to go? And now,
like you said, you I mean, I'm sure our writers can make this
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interesting and not be like budget meetingtalking about where the ships go. Like
it on paper it sounds really boring, but when I'm sure it sounds but
yeah, I like the thought.And now obviously the writers are going to
have to make a really good bibleof like what is the you know,
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the scarcity and how does the federationwork because these are a lot of areas
we're diving into that used to behandwave, Like, oh yeah, we're
just not going to show how theydeal with that. It's like no,
but we're actually going to have toshow it now. I feel like the
pitch Now I think this is agene Rodberry pitch where this is the pitch,
but you lie about it. Sothe pitch is this because again this
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is nineteen ninety book. This isstar Trek beats west Wing. Now it's
not going to be west Wing,but that's the concept of like the people
go around their head around that StarfleetCommand. You know, we're walking the
hallways of Starfleet Command. Now they'relots of there's like what kind of sets
do you need? Well, weneed a lot of hallways, and we
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need a lot of offices and bars, bars where the business happens shut maybe
a shuttle bay or two, youknow, as like you're getting ready for
the presidentidential motorcade of shuttles. Idon't know how that works. Twenty fourth
century of golf. What's like,where's the place where the business really happened?
And it's not that racquetball weird crapthat we play like, none of
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that. We're gonna we can didsomething new, but you know, you
know what it is. You getyou go into like some fancy little it's
bigger than a shovel craft, butit's a small ship, and you go
astroid shooting. Asteroid shooting. Soyou go and you just shoot asteroids with
your with your face. So youfly to the asteroid belt. If you
just peck away at a couple manualtargetings and stuff, do you look a
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kind of like to make this alittle bit actually has a skill based you
know, that's that's actually not likea drone thing of like where you put
on like whatever, I'm making thisa good change, put on a helmet
and then you suddenly have like theperspective of the drone. And so you're
now in the asteroid belt doing asteroidshooting. So it's not just like big
and bulky. Yeah, yeah,I like the manual targetingness of uh.
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And and then it's a it's asource of prestige where it's like because we
all know in Star Trek that's whatyou're really trading. Your commodity is your
skill and your you know, yourreputation and your prestige. So yeah,
so admirals I like that where youhave like maybe a Paris or another admiral
and they're bringing like a commander oran intern around and they're like, oh,
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I'm going to go off for myyou know five twenty or sorry military
time fourteen thirty, uh, youknow asteroid game. And and again that's
not like backroom deals, but likethat's where other admirals chat and they and
there's were you knowworking they yeah,they play. You know if we're outside
Earth's gravity, well doesn't count.You know, we're able to And yeah,
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it's all about like manually shooting asteroidsbecause that actually takes skill, Like
anyone can hit a button and phaserscan lock on, but maybe you have
to fire torpedoes, which is evenmore like you know phases is like shoot,
it's like oh, constant stream ofenergy just gonna aim it over that
way. Oh yeah, I hitit. But because if equivalent that's hilarious.
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I mean, yeah, build yourset. What's your new awesome set
that we've never seen before. That'swhat we're gonna do. Well, I
mean to to speak on that fora second. I was always thinking that
promenade becoming you know, like that'smaybe that's not that's because Starford Academy is
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in Paris or Academy, sorry,not the Academy. The Command is in
Paris, but I still like Federationcount Federation's in Paris because in San Francisco,
you're right all in Well, Imean, let me, let's rephrase
what we have been shown so far. We can admit anything, right,
but you know there can be auxiliaries. Does Starford Academy and Starford Command share
(34:50):
a campus pretty much? Maybe they'readjacent, but they're they're both in San
Francisco. I think I always gotthe feeling that the the the skyscraper buildings
were star Fleet and the like lawncampusy stuff was like the Academy, but
they're probably like right next to eachother. That's like just not how we
do it in the real world though, right, like like you would go
(35:14):
train at a base somewhere, butlike the Pentagon would be like, right,
we have Annapolis, but you don'thave the Pentagon in I mean in
the center of the Pentagon we puta campus of small kids, totally safe.
There's a lot of bases in upyou know, northern Virginia. So
all I was gonna say is Ialways thought of, you know, turning
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and it could be something on Earth, but I always thought of turning the
promenade into something on a star base. Like I always liked the mushroom star
based design. You know, there'sthat city cluster at the very top we
never really focus in on that kindof has a cloud city kind of vibe.
I think we could we could dothat. And what's called city?
Do you mean like New York Town? No, that snowball in the middle
(36:01):
of space. Yeah, it's totallyfragile. But I would like to have
like visits to a star base andyou know you're in it's some in your
inside and you're inside those little likewings that kind of stick out where all
the ship's dock and you could seeothers like all that we have starbas shots
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are just really cool looking. Well, and then so what I was thinking
was, if you want to getlike a classic Star Trek episode, right,
because we have twenty episodes a seasonto play around with, have so
many episodes of ninetiesties, you know, you know how every couple of episodes,
not not that frequently, but atleast twice a season or so,
there is and there is an admiralthat comes onto to like the Enterprise.
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You could just do that. Youcan just have one of the admirals have
a reason to go to this planet. Here comes the ship that takes them.
And true, whatever the ships showup, they go to space dock.
That's where they would go. AndI like that because then you kind
of have three main locationations. Youhave Federation Headquarters, you have Starfleet Headquarters
(37:06):
slash Academy, and and you havespace Dock, which is like, you
know, I like it, andand the space dock I all because I
always I remember seeing an article,like a Trek article someone wrote because obviously
we have the the space dock.Uh like shipyards where you have like the
(37:27):
big you know, superstructures and theirbuilding ships. And I remember seeing someone
wrote about how cool would it beif like that was or a lot of
that at least for like the maybesmaller than a Galaxy class was done inside
the space dock, so you sawall of the arms and building and they're
there, so they're like cranking outnew ships. So you're always seeing that
happen in the background because you know, it's post war and we have to
(37:52):
revitalize the fleet. That's utopia.Maybe maybe there could be that's well,
that's where they designed them. Butyeah, I get what you're saying there.
Look, we can't go to Mars. It's so far. It takes
like five minutes, you guys enoughtime. It would be cool to get
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to that. We've never been to. I say that, well, not
counting Enterprise the Moon. Yeah,like Armstrong could beam to the moon.
There's a reason to go to themoon. Armstrong City, come on.
Maybe. Oh okay, I loveour asteroid golf, but what if it's
literally just golf on the moon.So when they need to decompress, they
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just beam to the moon and likethe Hunter, they're in the counter at
Yeah, they're in environmental suits andthey're just like boom and it's like hey,
two kilometers like beat that because youknow, I don't know, just
watch them you know, the technologyis a little bit better. This a
little overlay in the screen so theycan see it, like and it's like
got the little readout showing how farit's going. That's our opening scene.
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Yeah, all the generation with liketo see this object spinning spin closer.
It's like, what'spawling on eight?Okay? Yeah, golf on the Moon?
I love it. Yeah, theywould have little platforms that that floated
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and you have to get your golfball onto the platform because the gravity is
so low. Or now that I'mthinking, I mean, you could either
put him in a suit, oryou could have a special like kind of
like top golf where you hit itthrough a force field, so you're inside
a pressurized area and it's just ait's a giant dome. You could just
be in a giant dome that's pressurized. Well, actually that'd be a big
(39:42):
dome. For how far are yougoing to hit a ball in what sixteen?
Well, it goes out, theball goes through the you know,
force goes through the force field.No, no, no, but hang
on, here's my question. Whenhe when when when Riker's talking about Lake
Armstrong and all that stuff, orto assume that the Moon's been entirely wherever
it's called. It's not sphered.It's still like a bunch of bases on
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the moon. But there's several billionpeople living on the Moon. Yeah,
the most interesting, Daniel. I'venever thought about it because my first thought
would be just Dome City, thatit hasn't been terraformed. But you're saying
it has, which I'm not disagreeingwith. I'm not saying the Genesis device.
I don't think you can. Imean, I know it starts talking,
(40:28):
know it's fiction, but like youcan't. You can't terraform the Moon
like it doesn't have Okay, buthere's the thing. You were have seas.
They have seas, they're called seas. They're just not have water in
them. But no, no,no, Sea of Tranquility does not have
water. Right, I did notmention that he said Lake Armstrong lakes have
(40:52):
water in them. Sea seas onthe Moon don't. But lakes all have
water in them. Sure, it'snot the battle of Fight, so sure
is meant on the Moon fishing atgolf. It's just all where the adamirals
just hang out. No no,no, no no no no hang on,
stop stop because when he says this, but we have to break down
(41:15):
the scene right now, when hesays, you can see Lake Armstrong on
a night like this, and they'relooking at the moon, right, they
are looking at them so they cantelescope right right, so they can technically
see Lake Armstrong even if it doesn'thave any water or whatever. Right,
So what Riker's saying is it's differentin the future. You can see there,
you can see the structures or whatever, like I can see my house
(41:38):
from here. That's basically what he'ssaying. It doesn't matter, it's no
fun to You can go to themoon and do whatever you want to do.
That's fine. Well, yeah,I mean think of it this way,
like when you look down at thenight side of Earth, you can
see a bunch of lights. Soat a minimum, when you look at
(41:59):
the moon and you would see like, oh, there's obviously structures going on,
you know. Anyway, Okay,golf and I'm on the room.
I love it. Yeah. Ilike how we spent like thirty minutes on
golf and it's like, oh no, what we we've talked about, Like
we've talked about the main you know, structure and you know where it is
(42:22):
now Obviously the cool thing is wecan have we don't have to have a
defiant quote unquote like a ship thatwe're always on, because it could be
the ship of the Rule that flaggedby honest to god flash, it's just
made of flags we get at theEnterprise come by, like right, why
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not? Well, first episode obviouslyit has to right, Yeah, that'd
super cool. Well, and it'sposts first contact and insurrections. We have
the CG one at this point,so we can do we can do.
Boy, it was sure good tosee Captain McCard or true gosh, this
(43:06):
is like Deadpool when he looks throughthe door at the X Men and they
just close it and it's just like, we're not going to give that to
you. Oh it's terrible. ButI was thinking too, like just like
Day in the Life episodes, likelike where one of the admirals goes over
and does the speech for the graduategraduating class at the academy or whatever,
or like there's a trip where everybodygoes to Sydney, Australia and we learn
(43:29):
about the future of that stuff,like you know what I mean, Like
just just different things where you couldjust sort of architecture looks like the paras,
like the opera house. Every buildinglooks like that. And I can
see if you want to do thesort of trope, but that's a true
for a reason. If you wantto do the new character introducing world,
(43:49):
you could have maybe some uh,battle worn captain who's made commodore whatever we
wanted for what your new admiral is, and so he or she will be
good, Commodores will be bad.That'll be the new mantra. And so
they're entering this world for the firsttime where you know, they they saw
(44:12):
it all. They're on the frontlines of the Dominion war and they saw
you know, all the things.By they're setting down at a desk.
Yeah, but it's like, Idon't want to lean too heavily into this
trope with the trope of like,oh I saw it on the front lines
and not you desk jockeys, andwe know how blah blah. I mean,
I want to go too much ofthat. But there's at least a
little bit of that you can doof like, having seen all that and
now you're going back to the upperechelons where the decisions are made from the
(44:36):
comfort of now Earth was attack.Let's not go to exaggeration here, but
you know that sort of mentality ofthat person that could be our inc you
have you know, you have PTSD, you have you know. It's again,
a post war is a really ripefor not conflict, for say,
but but discussion. And I'd say, yeah, that that newly that lens
(44:58):
person, the person we're seeing thingsthrough in that regard. Yeah, in
that like I was talking about,there's a faction trying to put their belt
on. In the beginning, Ifeel so stupid, but there's a faction
that's like, you know, weneed more alliances, and there's a faction
that like we need more ships,and like they're obviously on the ladder,
like they're like, oh, weneed to be you know, armed to
(45:20):
the teeth. We need the newMars defense perimeter, you know for like
episodes twenty two, that's gonna beepisode six at least Mars. Yeah,
And someone's like, so so whatso what if they come in while Mars
is on the other side of thesoldiers, just just to just to guess,
(45:42):
like how how is that helping?And then like like once a season,
I think, will it be onlyfor three seasons? But or maybe
twice. Then you have a teamthat's dedicated to the Voyager reclamation project and
second on that Yeah, and youknow Markley gild be there, but he's
(46:04):
you know, other people would bethere as well, and you know we
could sort of succeed sort of stufflike that as well. I would love
it, like it would just belike never commented on someplace in one of
the sets, you know, maybeStarfleet Command. You have a map and
it moves with how much closer Voyagerhas gotten every episode. Well, and
(46:28):
there could be even more tie insin the fact that in later seasons of
Voyage or they have more contact withStarfleet Academy, they're literally talking to the
other show now instead of just youknow a set. So yeah, that
and then you could oh man,that actually makes the ending of Voyager really
exciting because they're both coming to apoint like we know the mid season finale
(46:54):
or whatever of you know Star TrekStarfleet Command is going to overlap with The
Boy or whatever it does. Youknow, it overlaps the Voyager arriving home.
But that makes me think, likelike Philip, when you were talking
about like, you know, thelittle map that has Voyager on it.
Yeah, like the episode before it'slike super far away, and then the
(47:16):
episode after end game, it's justlike what this little check mark next to
it, there's a it has amap, but there's like a percentage.
It's like, you know, almosthome, it's like eighty five percent,
and then also it's like ninety ninepercent, Like what what what happened?
Coming? They're on their way throughhere right now? Yeah, because I
(47:37):
can see to really frame that aseason finale, because presumably that's how it's
going to be, right, Yeah, duels have Yeah, you'd have Sotthiy
Camando first where whatever story blah blahblah blah blah blah. But then at
the end, you know, we'veresolved, we're fixed, and you know
with this big adventure we had,and then suddenly, dude, do what
is it their sector? It's theBoorg you know, both the fleet.
(48:00):
Oh yeah, that's true credits.Yeah. Yeah. I also like,
for fun, you could have somecommander that's like, Okay, so I
know it's a couple of decades off, but I've been planning what we do
when Voyager gets home and they're likeso they're They're like, so, Bob,
we're gonna need that report done now, because what so you have You
(48:24):
don't have decades, you have thirtyminutes because they're they're flying through the Golden
gate Bridge right now, doors areopen. Yeah. Well, and then
after that you could definitely have thatship that ship lands on the planet,
just clear off the south lawn,just put it right there. Wait,
(48:45):
what are we getting seven to jointhe cast in like season four? Because
but Je could become a or atleast you know, like a regular guest,
and we could see, yeah,we could see her promotion and then
we can see her like settle intoher role whatever maybe, and then we
could see the developed proto Star.You could see new technology coming from Voyager.
(49:06):
You could see it being like,you know, decommissioned basically like a
lot of that, and that couldbe that could give spice to season four
of this new show that kind ofoverlapped with like season three or four of
this show would be around then ifanyone, and now you could add even
more sets because you have more placesto put things, and then there would
(49:30):
be like what if we did aprequel series? But no, Yeah,
I really I like this start ofthe Command idea though, as we were
like throwing things out like we reallylatched onto this one Yeah, wait one
less thing? Is there a villained? Is it just the X you know,
(49:55):
existential crisis of other have to beif there doesn't have to be like
a serious long sort of villain.Who are the Russians? That's why I
need to know what species are theRussian analysts post war to use like a
World War two analogy. Our alliesno longer have a reason to be our
(50:15):
allies, I mean THELS, Yeah, they're going to go back to be
They're going to go back. Kardassiansare rebuilding Kardassia. That's going to also
be an aspect like they are moreof like I mean, because Kardassians now
go from a I'm trying to likethere were power and now they're not.
Now I mean they go from astrategic threat to like a terrorist cell threat,
(50:37):
you know, which is still athreat, but it's just a different
scale right now. Yeah, there'slots of things that are obviously issues,
but we don't have to have likea it's not going to be like a
you know, we found this magicbox and there I mean, if you
really want to introduce in that,yeah, well and you can handle the
Breen because right, they're actually andthey're actually in our side of the galaxy,
(51:00):
and they only joined the war,you know, at the very end
and they attacked Earth. Yeah,people are probably still pissed off. Yeah,
well, and again you can havedelegations coming to uh to Earth.
You could have like yeah, Imean that's the cool thing is I don't
feel like this has to be ashow where like you go to the planet
(51:22):
to the other species, like everyone'scoming to you. But that was also
DS nine and that worked. Youknow, you just have to write it.
Well, do you think that theyhave a similar setup like in Battle
star not them, but like I'mthinking the changelings, Like, do you
think they have to check in withstar Fleet every couple of years to make
sure they're not they're not rearming offorces and stuff. Right, So they
(51:45):
go to the changing and Basket isalso here. Suddenly they're missing or they
don't show up, or they murdereverybody of the I think maybe, I
mean they would send the boarder tobe there. About You could even keep
a like Cisco's office or some tinycorner of the d S nine set,
(52:07):
so whenever you visit DS nine it'sjust c g I and then his office,
you know, Colonel Kira. Yeah, currently Cure. All right,
well that sounds like a lot offun. And let's get in our time
machine and see if we can pitchthis to the people. The good fine
folks. Uh, they were runningstar Trek at the time. But so
(52:30):
anything else, I'm closing you guys, want to just touch on anything Lastings
Lakes or otherwise, moon golf.It's all this say, moon golf,
ka game we can make money fromlater. If people want to find you
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not the word. All right,hold on, that's it for I think
(53:15):
it's impossible in the moon it wouldbe really difficult. But uh, anyways,
that's it for this week. Wewill catch you all next time.
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to Setti Alpha three, a StarTrek podcast here on the Nerd Party.
I'm your host, Daniel Prue,and with me, as always are my
two buddies, Darren and Philip.Now, Philip, you are are I
would say I'm not even knee deep, not even waist deep, but it
seems shoulder elbow or maybe neck deepin your tea and g Season one rewatch,
because it seems like every day inour chat you're going through giving us
(00:47):
a little bit of thoughts here andthere. So it's just reminding us how
far we have not progressed on ourown season one chat. That is why.
Yeah, well see it's funny yousay that because they're on I've had
the exact opposite thoughts. I'm like, okay, and I'm like, so
what episode am I on? Likenine out of what twenty six or something.
(01:08):
I'm like, this is gonna beforever. Oh see. That's why
we're standing still so that you canrun. No, I mean no saying
that, I mean, I meanI'll say this, and this is a
personal opinion. I mean, there'snot been an episode yet, even the
you know, early ones like theCode of Honor. I haven't gotten Angel
one yet, so maybe I'll changemy team and get there. But it's
(01:30):
not been like an episode like,uh, well, I'm just gonna watch
this because it's in the order.I was like, I've gotten something new
every time. And maybe obviously it'sbecause I don't dyeing the wool TNG extremists,
but but it's just like, oh, there's always something new. There's
always so I don't remember that,you know. I think a big key
to a good rewatch is having enoughtime of past that it's not that you've
(01:52):
forgotten the episode, but there's alot of remembering going on. I'm like,
oh, yeah, oh this iscool. Jeordie's still read. Oh
look how many times they put themin the center seat, or just little
things like that that are fun torediscover. And I'm sure I've watched it
in its current quality before. I'mwatching on Netflix Netflix UK. But it
(02:15):
doesn't really pop like it because youthink of like, oh, season one
in my mind is like the SDand it's like just the doesn't look like
it's you know, it's HD whateverit is. It's like even the season
win uniforms, which you usually thinkare so old looking, like you know
what I mean, I like theother ones better, but I'm like,
they're growing on me. There's notthat bad, you know, Yeah,
(02:37):
why they put the little pin stripinglike it's you know, no callers,
Like, they're not bad uniforms.The fact that when they evolved with like
the with the with the callers andthe sweatshirt a little bit of change.
The fact that it was just atweak. It wasn't like we're going to
reinvent the uniform. This isn't workingLike it wasn't that And it's one of
(02:59):
us talking because it really just Butit did make me think because of the
battle, which we can talk aboutanother time, but for the flashback for
the battle, this is you know, card flashback into his Stargazer time.
Those folks are wearing that uniform.Now, you know, five years later,
would they make a different decision.But it made me think, like,
(03:20):
as as TNG watchers, if you'rewatching this for the first time and
think, oh, these are newuniforms, what if they're really old uniforms
and that's why they changed them,Like what if Starfli's been wearing that spanex
for like ten years or fifteen years, because it's like the only thing we
have at a certain standpoint is likethe Jack Crusher holiday from you know,
without getting into the timeline, butI think that's about you know, ten
(03:44):
fifteen years ago. We could saymaybe, but anyway, Yeah, and
you mentioned that when you were talkingabout the Battle of how Beverly isn't phased
by it? Although I don't,it's never a stablished like Jack Crusher doesn't
die in the Battle of Maxia,like, so I always got the impression
(04:06):
that he died a couple of yearsat least before and sometime between his death
and the Battle of Maxia, whichis the last battle of the Stargazer and
where when it is lost. That'swhen they change from the no under No
(04:27):
No Fuzzy Caller, uh, theWrath of con Monster Monster Maroons to the
you know TNNG season one's costumes.Well, we know we have to do
some math, but I mean wecan know Wesley, right, so it
has to be fifteen years prior toepisode one. Well, right, so
(04:51):
the question back between fifteen years ago, he's wearing the season one uniform.
Right. Oh, I see,so the recording was taken. Yeah,
that's true because it's the recording butJack recording and the drag Crush recording.
He's wearing the maroons, right.But like you're saying, Philip, the
flashback of bringing Jack's body home,the card is not in a Monster maroom,
(05:15):
which means Jack wouldn't be in aMonster room at that time because you
know, but the record, butthe recording could have taken place when he
was It sounds like he took it, made it when he was born,
just in case. Like you know, he's in Starfleet. Starf is dangerous,
you know, and too we knowthat econonically O'Brien makes the letters every
(05:36):
time he goes on in away mission. I remember that from a lieutenant read
I believe, right. Oh really, Oh does he for a sister or
something? Is that right? Ican't remember, I think or something.
Well, Darren, I know youwere probably still on the very beginning of
where no man has gone before,isn't he? That's right around a little
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bit. But it's it not thatI'm not actively rewatching, because I'm not
actively watching TG, but I justhave I have other things on my plate
to to fill it. I raisemy children. I still have a good
amount of time to sit down andwatch the latest season of For All Mankind
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I show I love, but I'veI just want to get in that mode
of like, it's more like I'mworried that once I started like that's the
next ten hours of my life,because that's what I did. I think
in the previous season where I'm like, oh, I'll just I'll watch a
few and it never it never workslike that. I'm always like up till
three finishing it, and that's that'snot good. And then, Daniel,
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how are you dealing with, youknow, another twenty first century star trek
show to end its run? How'sthat so you did? That's a good
segue there. Sorry, I wasdistracted because I looked up Jack Crusher picture
Google Google picture, and it justmakes me mad because I don't I'm so
mad she named that character Jack Crusher, and so it makes me so upset.
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It bothers me so much. Anyways. Anyways, yes, Philip,
with let's you know what, let'skeep the nineties Trek times rolling. Although
technically what we're about to do thisexercise would would have been bringing new nineties
Trek into the millennium. But we'lltalk about that. I was thinking after
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Deep Space nine ended, let's pauseit. Let's come up with another show
that would take place at that time, be produced at that time at the
same that would take place in thesame it would overlap with Voyager, just
like the Space nine twenty three seventies. It's not so much going into the
new millennium, but it's still rightsorry that in our time, in present
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time. But it would be aquote unquote modern Trek production at the time
that would take place, and itwould take place right after Dodaces nine season
seven, so it would be theseason five a Voyager, and it would
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go for seven seasons. Let's justsay whatever, So what would we want
that to look like? And howwould we want this show to go?
And if let's just start there,because I have some other ideas that we
could shoot off of if we kindof stumble. But let me just see
if you guys like any big picturethings. Would you want it to be
a d Base nine sequel show orwould you want to do another quadrant?
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But you know, again, thisis a gurtin Voyager, a fifth quadrant.
We've got to consider that it's aconcurrent Voyager, And so what would
you guys would want to have seen? Would you want to have seen another
sort of subversion of expectation like withdo Days nine, or maybe a back
to basics like something a voyager justjust just throw some ideas out there.
If you don't have any, that'sfine, we can have a couple.
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But I thought maybe we'd start thereon sept thing. And as you were
talking, this idea came in myhead, which is probably not original,
but often Star Trek will do nota backdoor pilot, but a setting of
the table. So for instance,Next Generation we had and son Row we
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had, oh god, what's theCardassian said? Anyway, the really good
one with the Phoenix, I can'tremember the name top of my head,
but that was sort of setting thetable. So then when DS nine started,
it wasn't like, who are theMarquis, who are Karadassians? Who
were Bajorans? You know, Voyderdidn't really need that per se, I
mean, other than the Maquis storysemi continued in DS nine, so that
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was a little more established. Butyou know, Voyager list, we really
didn't need to know much Star Trek, you know nothing new as far as
you know the fact that by thetime you got to DS nine, you
knew you'd met Kardassians, you'd metPajorans. It wasn't like two brand new
races. We didn't know a lotabout them, but they weren't brand new.
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And so what immediately thought popped inmy head as you were talking,
because again the sneinso or Voyagers on. If only there was some sort of
voyager episode that already could be abackdoor pilot. And that's it's happens to
be right here on my table herewithout breaking anything that Prometheus. I thought
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you were gonna say equinox. I'mlike, uh, I don't because and
I'm not saying you have to dothis, but there's an arbitrary rule in
putting out which you can erase of, like there can only be one or
zero reoccurring characters, you know,But I mean, because you know,
yeah, we could do sequels,which we've done before, but I think
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you gotta have to like Rain BobPa Carter could do two roles, I
mean, or or Andy Dick ifhe could rein it in for you know,
a couple of years. He couldbe the EMAH. But anyway,
but as far as we've established theship, now the crew is dead or
whatever, so we can do awhole new crew, but we've at least
established the ship and so well.And I like the fact that you could
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make it with a small tweak tothat episode that a copy was left of
the MH so and and I meanthat doesn't stop anything that happens in Voyager.
Voyager continues on. There's no moremicrowormhole or whatever, you know whatever.
I have the copy of the doctorfrom the future episode if you remember
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that, the episode, Oh yeah, that's right. So yeah, so
this could be this is the alphaquadrant copy of our EMH friend. And
then they become the continuing character.And like you said, like I'm sure
we'll have Andy Dick for a littlewhile. I don't know if he's going
to be running the entire length.But the word cancel culture had been invented
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in the nineties. They're just throwingthat word out there, and we'll leave
it at that, all right,Okay, Okay, I like it.
I'm gonna I'm gonna sco over toDarren. Now, Darren, do you
have any any any concepts or ideasthat you want to go over, because
I do have one that I wantto bring up and doesn't rhyme with the
Academy, So we could do theAcademy show. We could because because because
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because people seem to want it forwhatever reason. But I assume all of
us would want to leave that conceptbehind. But do you have any It
seems like Philip wants to do traditionalstarship Starship Philip's to go back and star
trek. Well, it's it's interestingbecause I was trying to think, you
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know, of what to do,and I mean, it's it's hard,
guys, because, like you know, starting from scratch. But I the
constraint or direction I kind of gavemyself was Okay. I started to think
about the sets because remember TNG setsransitionedinto Voyager, So like the warp core
was basically rebuilt in the exact samespot, the curve of the hallway.
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Like, yeah, obviously a lotof things change, but the bones,
the skeleton of the ship of theset is pretty much the same. So
I started to thinking, okay,well, DS nine is going off the
air. What if we semi tailoredour story around maybe like a star base
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or something else that like like,obviously we're drastically modifying the promenade, but
the fact is we have the basicpromenade structure, we have the op structure,
we have a lot that's already beenbuilt, so it's cheaper and easier
to I'm not talking re skin likeyou know, slow a bit of paint,
like we have to tear down thatCardassian fascist is sore. But yeah,
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but i mean obviously eagle eye viewerswill be like, oh, this
is obviously the promenade, Like wecan tell you changed, you know,
a bit, but but it maybestart thinking of like maybe we did this,
Yeah you turn them, make themsquare instead of like eyelids now.
But all that to say, Ithought it would be really cool if we
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did something. I mean, Iknow, we just had a station show
at that point, but you coulddo like Space Doc one, uh where
you're literally like, I don't,I know. The whole point is exploring,
and I'm sure we would explore atsome point, but I'm kind of
interested like Star Trek Earth or likeStar Trek Space talk like like set again
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not you could dabble into the academyand stuff like that, but that's not
the focus, Like, the mainfocus is we are at like heart campus,
you know, we're at the heart. We're at the heart of the
Federation. Like we never spend aton of time, but whenever we do
spend time on Earth, it's reallyinteresting. We have things like Paradise Lost
and Home Front. We have thingslike Star Trek five, Like every time
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we go to Earth, it's reallycool, but we never have a And
I get the point of that is, you know going is that what I
said? You said five was tryingto figure out how rock Monster put a
eye in front of that, right, and he was climbing the rock that
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was on Earth. You're right,You're right, true, That's totally what
I was meant for five minutes.In the last five minutes. The greatest
part, guys, Now here's thething, Darren, you and I have
stumbled, I think into the samething. This is what I'm thinking.
I was actually thinking of a title. Uh maybe maybe then we can tweak
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it Starfleet Command and it takes placeon Earth. That's way better than Star
Trek Space Dock. That's what IYeah, I don't think that's gonna fly,
but like it. It's dumb,but it's better. I like how
Darren is like, guys, youknow we're gonna re tweak. It's not
like to eat Space nine. It'sStar Doc one, you see. It's
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a different number, even more stationthose three Earth Space Doc starts. The
Command is way better, way bettertitle. Okay, So I'm thinking,
okay, so, and and justto sort of blended together with Voyager.
Of course, because it's still goingon, we would yet character and so
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all those scenes that we have LieutenantBarkley's regular don't you try? Well,
I guess, but I'm thinking mostlyand I don't want the whole show to
focus on this, but I dothink it should be a part of it
is the post war stuff. Idon't want it to I know we just
had the times, but I wantto know how the treaty. I really
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like in this we can get intopolitics. We can get into like like
discussions about, oh, we discoveredthis new anomaly from the USS over here,
what should we do? And thenwe're in the room, the meeting
room, where these these people arehaving these conversations like how do we handle
this and what do we do?I would like the idea of a new
doctrine to be developed over the showlike to prevent something like what happened in
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the Space nine from happening again.Like maybe if there's a wormhole, like
like maybe if there's a wormhole,we don't go through it just with all
the really like without asking permission firstor or whatever, you know, you
know, like a like a likelike like world first, what about we
have problems at home? Well whatabout this? What about There's two competing
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doctrines. One is, hey,we need to be ready to fight our
neighbors again if war happened, sowe need to arm we need to have
like listening posts and space stations thatwe need to gear up because what if
the Cardassians make another alliance with likesome other like basically they're worried about another
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block forming. And then the competingdoctrine is like, hey, we just
survived a war. We need peace, we need alliances. We need like
like hey, let's maybe bring theKlingons fully into the federation maybe, Like
so both are good, both havemerit, but they're very different, you
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know, ways of going about theproblem of a secure continuation of the federation
because the Federation just got rocked likeby the Dominion war as a war like
it's never seen before. But Ireally like that post war you know,
flavor of Daniel. And then Ialso like the fact that it's technically,
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you know, nineteen ninety nine,two thousand ish, so we can bring
mine well could possibly be around.That's not not exactly what I was meaning,
but I mean I'm joking. Imean that's a good you know,
that's our headspace I was working.Remember the ninety nine or two thousand that
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you have. You can have TGguest stars, is what I mean.
Like, if you want Jonathan Franks, because man, he loves showing up
on other shows, you know,he can, he can show up,
Patrick Stewart can anybody who wants tocan for a moment, because they're at
this point, we're post insurrection,pre Nemesis, so the ENTERPRISEE is zipping
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around. We're all wearing the youknow, the first Contact uniforms, and
so yeah, I like that we'renot changing the uniform for a new series
because they love to do that.Seven years, the whole seven years,
just the first Contact. I'd say, well, I'd say I like it,
so I'm just saying changing. I'dsay the standard Starfleet crew is in
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the the the d s nine,you know, uniform, but I'd say
the because it's starts the command I'dsay the Admiralty has a more more flourished
like everyone comes in the other's close. Admiral with a cloak. I'm just
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writing that down. Admiral with acloak, and he's not the villain.
He's more just the like you again, it's gonna be one of those like
the cigarette smoking man from X Files. It's it's always in the corner of
the Admiral with a cloak. It'sgotta happen. Well, I'm not saying
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to steal the series idea, butwhen you said Admiral Paris, which instantly
came into my mind. And Iknow Darren's more the expert this, but
I was thinking at least the framingof how the main cast would look like
was Stargate because with Admiral Parents,I didn't forget the character's names there,
but like General what's his face,you know, General General Ham. Yeah,
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yeah, he's like the loose Imean, he's not the main character,
but he's sort of as far asin the universe, kind of the
in control. But then you haveall the other characters, like Admiral Paris
is not necessarily you know, gonnabe in every episode. But that's sort
of the framing of the organization,right. He is our window, he
is our character. We know hea lot of stuff is going to happen
around him. He's not the highestin an admiralty, but he's he's our
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anchor. It's not like, here'sa group of ten new admirals and we
don't know any of them, Like, no, we need to know a
couple of them. We're going tosee the fleet captains commonable you've heard these
ranks have never seen. So it'slike instead of lower decks where we're we're
going below the main crew upper decks. These are like, you know,
upper deckers, that's what they callthem. Geez. I would love the
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show to establish and like build theserules, like come out with like like
I don't know, like you saida dozen or so, like a council.
Don't call it a council, butyou know what I mean, like
a like likes like already a federationcouncil, Daniel, this a level a
level life basically exactly right, Soyou have like ten people at the boat
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arguing in here. This is thewar room, you know, and then
we deal with like the staff belowthat or whatever. Yeah, and you
those are the they're not lieutenants,they're like commanders, but that's still like
a lieutenant level when you're all admirals, like your commanders are still serving the
coffee. Yeah, they're still like, oh, I get that report for
you, sir, you know,and then get that command one day,
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I'm carrying a stack of pads.Why I don't know. I gotta look
busy. All these could all beone pad. We all know it.
I know it. You know it. Sorry you said no, It's okay.
I think it's great. And likewe can actually build the rules for
like we can see the the separationof like how Earth is handled, like
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on a civilian perspective, and thenlike all that sort of stuff. We
can world build all that sort ofstuff where it's like we can see the
different levels of government how how howeverything is being handled. And I think
it'd be a lot of fun,you know what I mean. And and
we talked a little bit about thepost war stuff, and I like your
idea, Darren, like to givethis like the chief of security or whatever,
you know, Admiral security. Dude, give him, like give him
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like the cautious sort of I wantto you know, have bigger teeth,
but ultimately still wants the best.He doesn't have to be like a villain,
like he's just at odds. Well, because you have you know,
you have admirals like Admiral Ross,who is under arrest at this point,
but like you know, there's stillpeople who think like him. Who who
Admiral Ross from d S nine.Yeah, why is he under arrest because
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he started a coup and tried totake over? Thinking another admiral, Admiral
Ross is and DS nine that wasCisco's guy. I think you're thinking of
of Earth, the Earth's admiral.Right, yeah, that's a different guy.
Why am i no, No,you're you're right, No, you're
right, I'm thinking of Paradise Loss. But why am I thinking the wrong?
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You know? Ros So that's right, Ross is a good, good
guy. Okay, I don't knowwhy. Well, yeah, all admirals
by definition, Well, we gotto change that. That's gonna be the
point of the show is to changethat bad mantra. But I love the
fact that you could have, youknow, the chef could be around like
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we see her. You know,she's a known Shelby. Yeah, she
could. I mean, she's notgonna be an admiral, but she could
be like a character you know onThe Rise. She's the Rise and Layton.
Okay. So I don't know whyI thought Ross because he's it's because
of Cisco and he's if there's nineout ten times he's with an admiral,
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it's Ross. So you could have. Oh I was gonna say, Uh,
I don't know why. I can'tremember the character's first name, but
Ben Cisco's dad, he can.We're on Yeah, mister, I know,
I know he's got a better namethan that. Uh, I'm not
saying name. It's Ben, It'sJake, and it's Joseph. You're right,
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okay, but anybody on earth likeeven like you said you this like
allows us to see even ge there'snine characters, but could could could come
through or whatever. Man, I'mtrying to think we want to well because
I honestly would say, give givethis to Iris, even Bear and Ronaldy
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Moore. So we're having the samelarge nebulous cast format of d S nine,
where you have your principles, butyou have a lot more like you
know, we we know Ben youknow, we know Joseph Cisco and we
know the people in his restaurant.Like those are tangential characters at best.
But like we actually get some fleshingout, like we know what's going on
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in Louisiana, in North America,you know whatever we called that, you
know, because we find out wecan find out what, yeah, what
things are divided into, which uha bunch of star Fleet from a casting
standpoint, And I know we didn'tdo this because looking at Enterprise because basically
we're nothing bad about the Enterprise wherewe're kind of getting rid of Enterprise for
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the moment, but we're Enterprise.Yeah, yeah, that we a more
international cast. I mean, thiswould be the opportunity for it. I
mean it's always going to be anAmerican main character. I get it because
of stuff, but anyway, butI mean, this is the thing for
stuff command. Like it's really anopportunity. I mean, not that we
haven't you know, we have afair number of UK people in d S
nine and elsewhere, but like thisis to really open it up, like
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France, let's have an actual Frenchperson, which we almost had a for
Voyager captain or at least Canadian butanyway, but yes, it's like really
kind of dig into like South Americanand you know, try to get it
to like really give it that feelof international earth. Okay, I want
to throw this out here because Idon't think he's anywhere else in track.
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And I know it's a little wecan double cast a little west Wing,
but I want to cast no,no, I want, I want.
I want Jimmy Jimmy Smith's as thepresident of the Federation. Okay, and
it could be as a human yeah, but well you know, but I
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don't know, because that's the otherthing. I mean. I'm not saying
we have to cast this whole thingor or figure out our main character,
because because most likely our main characterwould be a new actor, you know,
because it's you could bring over othercharacters, like you like Admiral Paris,
but it's not like Star Trek,not like a brand new guy that
just got out of acting school.Yes, yes, I considering Scott Bacul.
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It was how the casting went forthe next series, you know,
well it would be it would bea chance too for I would say most
of the cast to be at leastthe ones that we saw like older people,
you know what I mean like right, not older older, but there
are seasons you know, in thetwenties. Yeah, yeah, they'll be
going for formal models. But Iwas, you know, semi joking about
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West wing ties in. But obviouslypolitical is a major aspect of this show.
You're going to have aids, You'regoing to have like you know,
like we're going to learn about theFederation News Service. We're going to learn
you know, Jake writes for him. Yeah, we we we've been established.
And it's interesting because this kind ofa show, it it has the
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potential to flesh out a lot ofthings that we've heard of but we've never
seen. I think that's what makesit really interesting, and to me,
the interesting post war scenario because they'llhave the kind of a core pitch to
this, you know, which Idon't have that's sort of what's your turble
left pitched? How to get there? It has to turning on my rocket.
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You gotta go fast. But it'slike post war because we were so
concerned obviously about winning the war,so much stuff has sort of been piling
up on the table in the inbox. And but it could be like exploration
stuff like anomalies we don't have beenlooking at or there's new technology we didn't
know about, or you know,the non war stuff, and now you
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sort of have like here you go, you know, a you sort of
have two things a the exploratory scienceinbox, but then you also have the
rebuilding the fleet basic inbox, andso you have like that's where your sort
of conflict can be between you know, we can have characters kind of representing
both sides, or departments representing bothsides having become to Admiral Paris, who's
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going to get the most attention andresources blah blah blah blah. Yeah,
and I like that thought of youknow, obviously this is a post scarcity
society, but there's still resources.We still have only so many ships and
we have only and we've lost alot of those resources. So yeah,
I would I would like to seelike, okay, we need to Yeah,
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it's like okay, hey we're rebuildingships or we we have our first
new set of Ross class ships,you know, which is actually class you
know, named after Admiral Ross thatI misplaced on Earth. But you know,
okay, so where where are theygoing to go? And now,
like you said, you I mean, I'm sure our writers can make this
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interesting and not be like budget meetingtalking about where the ships go. Like
it on paper it sounds really boring, but when I'm sure it sounds but
yeah, I like the thought.And now obviously the writers are going to
have to make a really good bibleof like what is the you know,
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the scarcity and how does the federationwork because these are a lot of areas
we're diving into that used to behandwave, Like, oh yeah, we're
just not going to show how theydeal with that. It's like no,
but we're actually going to have toshow it now. I feel like the
pitch Now I think this is agene Rodberry pitch where this is the pitch,
but you lie about it. Sothe pitch is this because again this
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is nineteen ninety book. This isstar Trek beats west Wing. Now it's
not going to be west Wing,but that's the concept of like the people
go around their head around that StarfleetCommand. You know, we're walking the
hallways of Starfleet Command. Now they'relots of there's like what kind of sets
do you need? Well, weneed a lot of hallways, and we
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need a lot of offices and bars, bars where the business happens shut maybe
a shuttle bay or two, youknow, as like you're getting ready for
the presidentidential motorcade of shuttles. Idon't know how that works. Twenty fourth
century of golf. What's like,where's the place where the business really happened?
And it's not that racquetball weird crapthat we play like, none of
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that. We're gonna we can didsomething new, but you know, you
know what it is. You getyou go into like some fancy little it's
bigger than a shovel craft, butit's a small ship, and you go
astroid shooting. Asteroid shooting. Soyou go and you just shoot asteroids with
your with your face. So youfly to the asteroid belt. If you
just peck away at a couple manualtargetings and stuff, do you look a
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kind of like to make this alittle bit actually has a skill based you
know, that's that's actually not likea drone thing of like where you put
on like whatever, I'm making thisa good change, put on a helmet
and then you suddenly have like theperspective of the drone. And so you're
now in the asteroid belt doing asteroidshooting. So it's not just like big
and bulky. Yeah, yeah,I like the manual targetingness of uh.
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And and then it's a it's asource of prestige where it's like because we
all know in Star Trek that's whatyou're really trading. Your commodity is your
skill and your you know, yourreputation and your prestige. So yeah,
so admirals I like that where youhave like maybe a Paris or another admiral
and they're bringing like a commander oran intern around and they're like, oh,
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I'm going to go off for myyou know five twenty or sorry military
time fourteen thirty, uh, youknow asteroid game. And and again that's
not like backroom deals, but likethat's where other admirals chat and they and
there's were you knowworking they yeah,they play. You know if we're outside
Earth's gravity, well doesn't count.You know, we're able to And yeah,
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it's all about like manually shooting asteroidsbecause that actually takes skill, Like
anyone can hit a button and phaserscan lock on, but maybe you have
to fire torpedoes, which is evenmore like you know phases is like shoot,
it's like oh, constant stream ofenergy just gonna aim it over that
way. Oh yeah, I hitit. But because if equivalent that's hilarious.
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I mean, yeah, build yourset. What's your new awesome set
that we've never seen before. That'swhat we're gonna do. Well, I
mean to to speak on that fora second. I was always thinking that
promenade becoming you know, like that'smaybe that's not that's because Starford Academy is
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in Paris or Academy, sorry,not the Academy. The Command is in
Paris, but I still like Federationcount Federation's in Paris because in San Francisco,
you're right all in Well, Imean, let me, let's rephrase
what we have been shown so far. We can admit anything, right,
but you know there can be auxiliaries. Does Starford Academy and Starford Command share
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a campus pretty much? Maybe they'readjacent, but they're they're both in San
Francisco. I think I always gotthe feeling that the the the skyscraper buildings
were star Fleet and the like lawncampusy stuff was like the Academy, but
they're probably like right next to eachother. That's like just not how we
do it in the real world though, right, like like you would go
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train at a base somewhere, butlike the Pentagon would be like, right,
we have Annapolis, but you don'thave the Pentagon in I mean in
the center of the Pentagon we puta campus of small kids, totally safe.
There's a lot of bases in upyou know, northern Virginia. So
all I was gonna say is Ialways thought of, you know, turning
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and it could be something on Earth, but I always thought of turning the
promenade into something on a star base. Like I always liked the mushroom star
based design. You know, there'sthat city cluster at the very top we
never really focus in on that kindof has a cloud city kind of vibe.
I think we could we could dothat. And what's called city?
Do you mean like New York Town? No, that snowball in the middle
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of space. Yeah, it's totallyfragile. But I would like to have
like visits to a star base andyou know you're in it's some in your
inside and you're inside those little likewings that kind of stick out where all
the ship's dock and you could seeothers like all that we have starbas shots
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are just really cool looking. Well, and then so what I was thinking
was, if you want to getlike a classic Star Trek episode, right,
because we have twenty episodes a seasonto play around with, have so
many episodes of ninetiesties, you know, you know how every couple of episodes,
not not that frequently, but atleast twice a season or so,
there is and there is an admiralthat comes onto to like the Enterprise.
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You could just do that. Youcan just have one of the admirals have
a reason to go to this planet. Here comes the ship that takes them.
And true, whatever the ships showup, they go to space dock.
That's where they would go. AndI like that because then you kind
of have three main locationations. Youhave Federation Headquarters, you have Starfleet Headquarters
(37:06):
slash Academy, and and you havespace Dock, which is like, you
know, I like it, andand the space dock I all because I
always I remember seeing an article,like a Trek article someone wrote because obviously
we have the the space dock.Uh like shipyards where you have like the
(37:27):
big you know, superstructures and theirbuilding ships. And I remember seeing someone
wrote about how cool would it beif like that was or a lot of
that at least for like the maybesmaller than a Galaxy class was done inside
the space dock, so you sawall of the arms and building and they're
there, so they're like cranking outnew ships. So you're always seeing that
happen in the background because you know, it's post war and we have to
(37:52):
revitalize the fleet. That's utopia.Maybe maybe there could be that's well,
that's where they designed them. Butyeah, I get what you're saying there.
Look, we can't go to Mars. It's so far. It takes
like five minutes, you guys enoughtime. It would be cool to get
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to that. We've never been to. I say that, well, not
counting Enterprise the Moon. Yeah,like Armstrong could beam to the moon.
There's a reason to go to themoon. Armstrong City, come on.
Maybe. Oh okay, I loveour asteroid golf, but what if it's
literally just golf on the moon.So when they need to decompress, they
(38:35):
just beam to the moon and likethe Hunter, they're in the counter at
Yeah, they're in environmental suits andthey're just like boom and it's like hey,
two kilometers like beat that because youknow, I don't know, just
watch them you know, the technologyis a little bit better. This a
little overlay in the screen so theycan see it, like and it's like
got the little readout showing how farit's going. That's our opening scene.
(38:59):
Yeah, all the generation with liketo see this object spinning spin closer.
It's like, what'spawling on eight?Okay? Yeah, golf on the Moon?
I love it. Yeah, theywould have little platforms that that floated
(39:20):
and you have to get your golfball onto the platform because the gravity is
so low. Or now that I'mthinking, I mean, you could either
put him in a suit, oryou could have a special like kind of
like top golf where you hit itthrough a force field, so you're inside
a pressurized area and it's just ait's a giant dome. You could just
be in a giant dome that's pressurized. Well, actually that'd be a big
(39:42):
dome. For how far are yougoing to hit a ball in what sixteen?
Well, it goes out, theball goes through the you know,
force goes through the force field.No, no, no, but hang
on, here's my question. Whenhe when when when Riker's talking about Lake
Armstrong and all that stuff, orto assume that the Moon's been entirely wherever
it's called. It's not sphered.It's still like a bunch of bases on
(40:07):
the moon. But there's several billionpeople living on the Moon. Yeah,
the most interesting, Daniel. I'venever thought about it because my first thought
would be just Dome City, thatit hasn't been terraformed. But you're saying
it has, which I'm not disagreeingwith. I'm not saying the Genesis device.
I don't think you can. Imean, I know it starts talking,
(40:28):
know it's fiction, but like youcan't. You can't terraform the Moon
like it doesn't have Okay, buthere's the thing. You were have seas.
They have seas, they're called seas. They're just not have water in
them. But no, no,no, Sea of Tranquility does not have
water. Right, I did notmention that he said Lake Armstrong lakes have
(40:52):
water in them. Sea seas onthe Moon don't. But lakes all have
water in them. Sure, it'snot the battle of Fight, so sure
is meant on the Moon fishing atgolf. It's just all where the adamirals
just hang out. No no,no, no no no no hang on,
stop stop because when he says this, but we have to break down
(41:15):
the scene right now, when hesays, you can see Lake Armstrong on
a night like this, and they'relooking at the moon, right, they
are looking at them so they cantelescope right right, so they can technically
see Lake Armstrong even if it doesn'thave any water or whatever. Right,
So what Riker's saying is it's differentin the future. You can see there,
you can see the structures or whatever, like I can see my house
(41:38):
from here. That's basically what he'ssaying. It doesn't matter, it's no
fun to You can go to themoon and do whatever you want to do.
That's fine. Well, yeah,I mean think of it this way,
like when you look down at thenight side of Earth, you can
see a bunch of lights. Soat a minimum, when you look at
(41:59):
the moon and you would see like, oh, there's obviously structures going on,
you know. Anyway, Okay,golf and I'm on the room.
I love it. Yeah. Ilike how we spent like thirty minutes on
golf and it's like, oh no, what we we've talked about, Like
we've talked about the main you know, structure and you know where it is
(42:22):
now Obviously the cool thing is wecan have we don't have to have a
defiant quote unquote like a ship thatwe're always on, because it could be
the ship of the Rule that flaggedby honest to god flash, it's just
made of flags we get at theEnterprise come by, like right, why
(42:44):
not? Well, first episode obviouslyit has to right, Yeah, that'd
super cool. Well, and it'sposts first contact and insurrections. We have
the CG one at this point,so we can do we can do.
Boy, it was sure good tosee Captain McCard or true gosh, this
(43:06):
is like Deadpool when he looks throughthe door at the X Men and they
just close it and it's just like, we're not going to give that to
you. Oh it's terrible. ButI was thinking too, like just like
Day in the Life episodes, likelike where one of the admirals goes over
and does the speech for the graduategraduating class at the academy or whatever,
or like there's a trip where everybodygoes to Sydney, Australia and we learn
(43:29):
about the future of that stuff,like you know what I mean, Like
just just different things where you couldjust sort of architecture looks like the paras,
like the opera house. Every buildinglooks like that. And I can
see if you want to do thesort of trope, but that's a true
for a reason. If you wantto do the new character introducing world,
(43:49):
you could have maybe some uh,battle worn captain who's made commodore whatever we
wanted for what your new admiral is, and so he or she will be
good, Commodores will be bad.That'll be the new mantra. And so
they're entering this world for the firsttime where you know, they they saw
(44:12):
it all. They're on the frontlines of the Dominion war and they saw
you know, all the things.By they're setting down at a desk.
Yeah, but it's like, Idon't want to lean too heavily into this
trope with the trope of like,oh I saw it on the front lines
and not you desk jockeys, andwe know how blah blah. I mean,
I want to go too much ofthat. But there's at least a
little bit of that you can doof like, having seen all that and
now you're going back to the upperechelons where the decisions are made from the
(44:36):
comfort of now Earth was attack.Let's not go to exaggeration here, but
you know that sort of mentality ofthat person that could be our inc you
have you know, you have PTSD, you have you know. It's again,
a post war is a really ripefor not conflict, for say,
but but discussion. And I'd say, yeah, that that newly that lens
(44:58):
person, the person we're seeing thingsthrough in that regard. Yeah, in
that like I was talking about,there's a faction trying to put their belt
on. In the beginning, Ifeel so stupid, but there's a faction
that's like, you know, weneed more alliances, and there's a faction
that like we need more ships,and like they're obviously on the ladder,
like they're like, oh, weneed to be you know, armed to
(45:20):
the teeth. We need the newMars defense perimeter, you know for like
episodes twenty two, that's gonna beepisode six at least Mars. Yeah,
And someone's like, so so whatso what if they come in while Mars
is on the other side of thesoldiers, just just to just to guess,
(45:42):
like how how is that helping?And then like like once a season,
I think, will it be onlyfor three seasons? But or maybe
twice. Then you have a teamthat's dedicated to the Voyager reclamation project and
second on that Yeah, and youknow Markley gild be there, but he's
(46:04):
you know, other people would bethere as well, and you know we
could sort of succeed sort of stufflike that as well. I would love
it, like it would just belike never commented on someplace in one of
the sets, you know, maybeStarfleet Command. You have a map and
it moves with how much closer Voyagerhas gotten every episode. Well, and
(46:28):
there could be even more tie insin the fact that in later seasons of
Voyage or they have more contact withStarfleet Academy, they're literally talking to the
other show now instead of just youknow a set. So yeah, that
and then you could oh man,that actually makes the ending of Voyager really
exciting because they're both coming to apoint like we know the mid season finale
(46:54):
or whatever of you know Star TrekStarfleet Command is going to overlap with The
Boy or whatever it does. Youknow, it overlaps the Voyager arriving home.
But that makes me think, likelike Philip, when you were talking
about like, you know, thelittle map that has Voyager on it.
Yeah, like the episode before it'slike super far away, and then the
(47:16):
episode after end game, it's justlike what this little check mark next to
it, there's a it has amap, but there's like a percentage.
It's like, you know, almosthome, it's like eighty five percent,
and then also it's like ninety ninepercent, Like what what what happened?
Coming? They're on their way throughhere right now? Yeah, because I
(47:37):
can see to really frame that aseason finale, because presumably that's how it's
going to be, right, Yeah, duels have Yeah, you'd have Sotthiy
Camando first where whatever story blah blahblah blah blah blah. But then at
the end, you know, we'veresolved, we're fixed, and you know
with this big adventure we had,and then suddenly, dude, do what
is it their sector? It's theBoorg you know, both the fleet.
(48:00):
Oh yeah, that's true credits.Yeah. Yeah. I also like,
for fun, you could have somecommander that's like, Okay, so I
know it's a couple of decades off, but I've been planning what we do
when Voyager gets home and they're likeso they're They're like, so, Bob,
we're gonna need that report done now, because what so you have You
(48:24):
don't have decades, you have thirtyminutes because they're they're flying through the Golden
gate Bridge right now, doors areopen. Yeah. Well, and then
after that you could definitely have thatship that ship lands on the planet,
just clear off the south lawn,just put it right there. Wait,
(48:45):
what are we getting seven to jointhe cast in like season four? Because
but Je could become a or atleast you know, like a regular guest,
and we could see, yeah,we could see her promotion and then
we can see her like settle intoher role whatever maybe, and then we
could see the developed proto Star.You could see new technology coming from Voyager.
(49:06):
You could see it being like,you know, decommissioned basically like a
lot of that, and that couldbe that could give spice to season four
of this new show that kind ofoverlapped with like season three or four of
this show would be around then ifanyone, and now you could add even
more sets because you have more placesto put things, and then there would
(49:30):
be like what if we did aprequel series? But no, Yeah,
I really I like this start ofthe Command idea though, as we were
like throwing things out like we reallylatched onto this one Yeah, wait one
less thing? Is there a villained? Is it just the X you know,
(49:55):
existential crisis of other have to beif there doesn't have to be like
a serious long sort of villain.Who are the Russians? That's why I
need to know what species are theRussian analysts post war to use like a
World War two analogy. Our alliesno longer have a reason to be our
(50:15):
allies, I mean THELS, Yeah, they're going to go back to be
They're going to go back. Kardassiansare rebuilding Kardassia. That's going to also
be an aspect like they are moreof like I mean, because Kardassians now
go from a I'm trying to likethere were power and now they're not.
Now I mean they go from astrategic threat to like a terrorist cell threat,
(50:37):
you know, which is still athreat, but it's just a different
scale right now. Yeah, there'slots of things that are obviously issues,
but we don't have to have likea it's not going to be like a
you know, we found this magicbox and there I mean, if you
really want to introduce in that,yeah, well and you can handle the
Breen because right, they're actually andthey're actually in our side of the galaxy,
(51:00):
and they only joined the war,you know, at the very end
and they attacked Earth. Yeah,people are probably still pissed off. Yeah,
well, and again you can havedelegations coming to uh to Earth.
You could have like yeah, Imean that's the cool thing is I don't
feel like this has to be ashow where like you go to the planet
(51:22):
to the other species, like everyone'scoming to you. But that was also
DS nine and that worked. Youknow, you just have to write it.
Well, do you think that theyhave a similar setup like in Battle
star not them, but like I'mthinking the changelings, Like, do you
think they have to check in withstar Fleet every couple of years to make
sure they're not they're not rearming offorces and stuff. Right, So they
(51:45):
go to the changing and Basket isalso here. Suddenly they're missing or they
don't show up, or they murdereverybody of the I think maybe, I
mean they would send the boarder tobe there. About You could even keep
a like Cisco's office or some tinycorner of the d S nine set,
(52:07):
so whenever you visit DS nine it'sjust c g I and then his office,
you know, Colonel Kira. Yeah, currently Cure. All right,
well that sounds like a lot offun. And let's get in our time
machine and see if we can pitchthis to the people. The good fine
folks. Uh, they were runningstar Trek at the time. But so
(52:30):
anything else, I'm closing you guys, want to just touch on anything Lastings
Lakes or otherwise, moon golf.It's all this say, moon golf,
ka game we can make money fromlater. If people want to find you
and talk to them about talk toyou about your starfleet politics, how do
they find you? They can findme on Instagram at c A P T
(52:51):
S F U f P and Darren, what about you? I can find
me at doctor sci Fi dot comd R S C I f I.
And if they just want to knowyour handicapped Daniel, where can they find
you? They find me one ofDan that's the number one, uh,
not the word. All right,hold on, that's it for I think
(53:15):
it's impossible in the moon it wouldbe really difficult. But uh, anyways,
that's it for this week. Wewill catch you all next time.
I'm dangel Proof, I'm Philip Gilphis, and I'm Darren Moser, Stranded here
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