June 28, 2024 • 50 mins
Animated TNG series
A lifetime ago (in another Star Trek podcast), the trio, along with some help, created the idea of a zany late 1990s animated version of The Next Generation. Since then, real Star Trek animation has evolved, with the arrival of both "Lower Decks" and "Prodigy." As the crew of "Prodigy" begin their second season, the trio revisits "Star TreXtreme", adding to what modern animated Star Trek can look like. This includes revisiting some of original pitches from their prior podcast episode - seeing how they either predicted the future or just made some ridiculous ideas.
Grab your skateboard, put on some sunglasses, and revisit the 1990s era of cartoon with Star TreXtreme!
A lifetime ago (in another Star Trek podcast), the trio, along with some help, created the idea of a zany late 1990s animated version of The Next Generation. Since then, real Star Trek animation has evolved, with the arrival of both "Lower Decks" and "Prodigy." As the crew of "Prodigy" begin their second season, the trio revisits "Star TreXtreme", adding to what modern animated Star Trek can look like. This includes revisiting some of original pitches from their prior podcast episode - seeing how they either predicted the future or just made some ridiculous ideas.
Grab your skateboard, put on some sunglasses, and revisit the 1990s era of cartoon with Star TreXtreme!
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Welcome to the nerd Party. I'mDarren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphus, I'm
Daniel Prue and this is City Alphathree. Hello, and welcome to City
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Alpha three, a Star Trek podcasthere on the nerd Party network. I
am Darren and I'm joined as alwaysby my fellow strandees Philip and Daniel.
Probably in the middle of an episodeone tng rewatch, Philip, I know
you've been chatting in our group chatof oh I remember this one or I
remember this one. Yeah, Iam, I'm I guess I'm near the
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end. But it is one ofthose things, and not in a bad
way. We were like this justgoes on forever. And because it's like
I'm on episode twenty two, howmany are left? Like eight in thirteen
because in my mind Yard dies halfwaythrough, But that's not true at all.
Like I'm it's the next episode,like I just finished Arsenal of Freedom,
which I think is episode twenty two. Don't quote me, but it's
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around that, and the next oneis not, you know, Oily whatever.
I think next one is Symbiosis,which may have technically been her last
episode, because I know there's thatthat one episode that's technically her last because
you can see her waving her wayfrom her cargo bed. One may see
her. Yes, yeah, skinso but yeah, no, I'm enjoying
it. Like there's one or twoepisodes that I'm like, yeah, they're
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not bad, they're just boring.But they are to me very few,
very few, I'd say, likelike five, and I'm on episode twenty
two that are just like, oh, this is boring. So yeah,
and uh. On a slightly separatenote, but kind of in the same
vein, I finished or read thePatrick Stewart autobiography. Oh, very nice.
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There's a lot of sort of along, long book it. Yeah,
yeah, it does. To me, it went fast after the I
was in the second half, andto me it went faster than the first
half. But yeah, I thinkthe Daniel you'll appreciate this, because I
don't know if you'll get around toreading it. You had mentioned the staring,
but you hadn't named names, andI think Daniel would enjoy this.
He actually we mentioned, you know, whatever, he had an affair.
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He actually had a few. Butanyway, Daniel who he had an affair
with during his first marriage, Ohyeah it was dash, Yeah, really
really I didn't know that that's true. I didn't mention that, but yeah,
it's I was like, oh oh, it kind of kind of makes
those episodes a little different to watch. I mean, it was over by
the second time she came in,but that first time that was how it
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started. Oh my god, Ididn't even know that. That's funny.
Yeah, So it's it's very interestinghow he you know, and you can
take it or leave it. I'mjust telling you what he says. But
he says as he talks about hislife that when you're in theater or whatever
and you're in roles where you're sayingI love you to some a character,
that that can turn real like yousay it enough. So I mean that
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was sort of but yeah, butyeah, I know it's a very interesting
life. You know. I certainlyrecommend it for all trek Is, you
know, because he'd like, andyou said this there. He does talk
Star Trek at least mentioned Star Treka lot. I mean, just where
is bread is buttered? He likehe sprinkles it in as he gets there,
but which I think is smart whenhe because there was like moments where
he's like later in Star Trek,this would happen I meet this person again,
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and blah blah blah blah blah,Like that's the time to tell that
mini story, not twenty chapters laterwhen he's actually in the nineties. So
I think it's paced very well forbecause I think what it is if you
actually talk the Star Trek talk chronologicallywhen he gets to it, it's majority
fairly quick. Yeah, it's majorityseason one, sprinkles in the rest of
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the series like he oh, highlightepisodes of this is when we really got
going, or this is when Imet that Dada da da, and then
generations a little first contact is hisfavorite because it is why wouldn't it be,
And then like Insurrection Nemesis he justbrushes off as like, yeah they
were duds. Yeah, they werereally like one line like and then we
did two more movies and then justkind of yeah, no, that's that's
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true, and he talks he doesn'tdwell on it, but he does go
into Picard of course that's true.Yeah, it's it does feel by that
point of the book that he's kindof like wrapping it up, like I
was almost winning like a part two, almost like this gonna be like a
two part memoir, because I mean, the man good, he's had a
long career. Yeah, but Imean or maybe a Star Trek memoir that's
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literally just focused on Star Trek stories. And there were a few that I
had not heard, but most,you know, we've all kind of heard
the stories. We've all been thescarecrow. So he could if if that
wasn't enough content, he could bemy time is in Star Trek and on
X Men, and there you go. Double gets a good chunk. I
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mean, not as speak as StarTrek, but he goes through X Men
the whole a pretty good amount.Yeah. I think the thing that I
learned that like I knew this muchbut didn't know that much, was that
like ge never liked him, andI don't think not personally per se,
but as being cast, didn't wanthim for that role and took a long
time to come around. A longtime. I mean like I'm like I
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always got like, oh, thebald thing and and the hair and he's
older and not necessarily what he wasLike. I kind of got that when
the initial casting, but I thoughtlike, oh, maybe he got cast
and everything was jelly from there,but it was like no, not really,
Gane was just sort of like thisarms folded for like three series.
You know, yeah, no,but we do. We do recommend it.
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It's was it make it, makingit make it? So yeah,
yeah, what about you, Daniel, how's your trick week? Month?
Year? Been still stuck in DMGseason one. I haven't watched anything else
yet. That's okay, I'm rollingand going. It's busy. It's the
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time of the year. H Sonot really much reported. Honestly, we
haven't even decided on a show towatch after fallout, so if there's any
recommendations, let me know. Oh, well, that's all about modern television,
but we're not talking about modern televisionthis week. Have you watched new
season of Boys? I don't knowif you both watched that. I haven't
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seen that at all. I doactually want to watch that. I've seen
a few. I don't watch thatwith my wife, so I don't know
if that's a joint watch in yourhousehold. Well, I mean, I
guess it's it's twenty years ago.But last night we watched the first extended
edition of Lord of the Rings theFellowship of the Ring. Oh yeah,
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for the first time, and wewere going to see it in theaters.
But this is my fault. Iguess I didn't look at the ticket close
enough, but I apparently got ticketsfor what's called for x D, which
is basically like an enhanced theater experiencewhere you are in a motion chair.
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There is like wind and lightning effect. Sounds good on paper, guys,
sounds good on paper. Absolute livinghell, Like really, Oh, it's
just because it's like you're on edge. I mean, we've all been on
those kind of rides, like ina movie theater or sorry, in a
theme park, and that's like,you know, three or four minutes.
This would have been a four hourmovie. And I'm sorry, but no.
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And so we were just catching thetrailers and there's like trailers for Twisters
and a few others, and it'sjust like yeah, you're like shaken around.
And I looked at my wife andI'm like, well, baby,
it's just a trailer. Maybe it'snot for the whole movie. And then
when we was going in the openingand it was like starting the big Battle
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of the Elves and we're just likenope, nope, we're done. Just
walk like we just we can't.It's gonna be no fun. So we
just went home. We already hadour popcorn and sodas and candy, and
we just took it home and poppedin the Blu ray of the Extended Editions,
which we own, and just watchit there. And it was way
more enjoyable that way. I thinkit would have been fun on the big
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screen, but I mistook what wewere getting. And yeah, I never
planned to watch a movie like that. It, like I said, sounds
good on paper, very different inperson, especially without getting too much to
it. That thing that long andyou have to paint, don't check me
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around? No, no, no, Well there's a little button like on
your armrest that says disabled water effects, so each person can choose. And
I'm like, okay, okay,Yeah, it was again good on paper,
but yeah, no, we werelike no, no, no,
no, no, nope, thankgod. Her like it. She did.
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She stayed up and it's like fourhours, it's like a long time,
but no, she she really enjoyedit. And it's been a long
while. It's probably been at leastlike ten twelve years since I watched it,
just you know, hadn't popped itin. So it was kind of
fun to relive it. And althoughbecause I, you know, I supports
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for a Lord of the Rings moviethat's been und for everyone book. But
I wasn't remembering that that Gandalf dies, you know, like quote unquote dies,
and so that was a big impactfor her, you know, and
she's like, he's my wife.And I look at each other like we
gotta we can't spoil because she's goingto watch the next one tomorrow or today.
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But we're like, man, likethis is a major impact, you
know, and we're like hiding theDVD for the next one from her because
he's right on the cover for sayingI'm back, oh that anyway. But
no, it was really really fun, just yeah, just really good movies,
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just in that perfect era of filmmakingwhere there was enough special effects to
pull it off, but still somuch is real. Because I'm just looking
at like Hobbiton and all these places, and I'm like, this all would
have been cgi nowadays. It wouldjust they would have done a ton of
in the volume, like so muchstuff would have just they would not have
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built and committed to these little momentsets and I'm like, oh, that
would have been sad. So butyou know, the Rings of Power did
not destroy the original trilogy. Ifound I found it, you guys.
It was still here in in myBlu ray case. It's it's I can
watch it whenever I want. MattSmith still working, that's all there.
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You go, all right? Well, like I said, uh, we're
back around and this was funny.I occasionally it's so funny. I don't
know about you guys, but beinga podcaster, I do listen to other
podcasts, but not a ton LikeThere's a few I listened to, mostly
like tech or Star Wars ish ones, but I will rarely re listen to
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our episodes except for a few.I have a few that are saved in
my phone TGRPG. You know thatone is just anytime we're just dying laughing
is a good one to remember.But this one, I man, I
went the way back machine. Thisis episode one twenty eight of Earl Gray,
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So the show before this show.This is February of twenty sixteen,
just a couple of years ago.My goodness, we were like yesterday.
Yeah, we were never that young. But this one was really fun.
We brought on Aaron Harvey, afriend of the show podcast. Now we're
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on the podcast a I know we'refrom it, but we were talking about,
you know, making a TG animatedshow kind of set in the nineties,
and you know, it's our breadand butter, like making a concept
around something and just building on itand building on it. But it was
really fun re listening to this,not just because we laughed so much,
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but because of how many things wekind of implied or suggested that have come
true in the intervening like eight years, this was still like a year or
two. It was a year beforeDiscovery came out, so I don't think
I don't know if it even beenannounced yet. And it was four years
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before Lower Decks came out, sowe were in the dry spell between you
know, nineties Trek. You hadJJ Trek, but there was nothing,
and so we were just shooting themoon. And I'm not saying we predicted
it, guys. I'm not sayingthat people listened to Manifest. They did.
Maybe we have hit it out there, but I think only because Aaron
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was on yes, oh yes,but when we were and and I've taken
some of those select clips to playfor you guys and our listeners. But
I think the real fun part wasjust how we became the intro. But
we could have in the opening thedestruction of the D. You see it
like all animated and awesome, andthen the E comes in like it's new
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and everyone's getting all excited. Now, now you've created a cool, odd,
weird nineties intro theme of like theEnterprise was destroyed, but a new
Enterprise was bit plenty of letters.It's all drags, g g GA.
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Yes, that's it. That's theintro right there. And I mean and
lower decks like it's I would sayless crazy than the lower decks centro.
Y, Yeah, that's true.It's actually about equally crazy, because man,
that intro is. But yeah,what do you guys think about Like,
I mean, obviously we're talking alot lower decks a lot, because
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that's a major aspect of this.But are you guys happy with what we
got from lower decks being you know, post TNG very referential, you know,
but less is still kind of itsown era as opposed to like when
the Enterprise D was around and allof that, you know, in our
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imagination of the nineties. What doyou think, Philip, I mean,
in some ways it checks the blockand in other ways it doesn't. And
that's not to say, oh,we don't like it. We love lower
decks, but I mean it,we're like, because what we can complain
about it, if you want touse that word, is the we want
a series that moves the timeline forward, and so lower dex is I mean
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it's post Nemesis and we're like,ah, that's what we love. We
wanted to keep the story story going. Now. Of course, on the
other side, it was like whenit first started, not that you know,
it was more like, ah,but it's jokey, joke reference reference
and you're like, Okay, wellthat's what this show is. That's fine.
But I think now that they've settleda little bit more, as we've
said before, you know, nowit is kind of that universe where it
is continuing that story. I mean, they're not exactly and I wonder the
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philosophy in that writer's room and Mikeis whether you know, they're not necessarily
creating new canon if you know whatI mean. They're like to avoid and
to create. You know, theydon't establish anything that can later be you
know. But all that said,so yeah, no, I think if
you told me the next animated seriesis just going to be spoofy, spoof
spoof and you're like, oh,well okay, because it's like, what
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are you doing animated that you couldn'thave done elsewhere? Now, I guess
they would say, you can makeit more comic and you know, do
things comically, which they do,whereas our pitch was like, you can
bring in people who are maybe older, or effects or you know, things
that we can't do practically because ofbudget, and that's what the animated series.
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But you know, no exactly.Well, I mean we had one
prediction that was straight up dolphin crewcetacean ops. Of course he's replaced by
a cetaceans. We have our dolphinsecurity officer. There you go, and
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it becomes the instant breakout character ofthe next gen animated series. And no
one cares about Michael Dorn anymore soDaniel. So, I mean, we
got a lot of cetace in inlower decks. They always have I guess
subtitles as they're they're squeaking. Butit didn't leave live up to your expectations
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of what you were expecting with tation. Ops. Well, you know,
I'm a little different in tone whatwe saw on Lord Decks. But it
makes sense to make an animated youknow, what I was just, man,
I don't even know why my mompopped back here, But wasn't What
was the show in the nineties thathad a dolphin in it? What was
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it? There was a show,a sequest sequest? Yes, yeah,
yeah, Star Trek could have borrowedan actual dolphin, Darwin and yeah,
speak to you anyways, that's I'llnever hearing there. But anyways, Yeah,
you can show up on the Enterprise, so can Darwin. Yeah,
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I mean it makes sense if you'reactually gonna do this thing, because it
would be very difficult to do inlive action. So I think they handled
it just as well as they couldhave, and then through in some silly
jokes as well. That is justas a reminder, Camolu and Matt Oh
the dolphins. It's it's like it'slike men in Black, like and Bob,
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you know, it's just the weirdname. Well, even though it
wasn't was it was it? Yeah, it wasn't Lower Decks, but it
was in Picard. We also madean important character return prediction, and I'm
asking myself as well, and I'malso trying to think, how does Roe
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come back? Daniel animated awesome?Yeah, for one scene and one scene
only and then uh, yeah,she did bro come back awesome. Nope,
No, well she was awesome whenshe first showed up, and then
they killed her because they wanted toraise the stack. I can't even remember
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why they killed her because I justremember being angry. She was like,
Okay, it's dumb, but okay, anytime a main character gets in a
shuttle, we have to follow it. Not a good move, guys,
We've tried that. It doesn't doesn'tquite work. Yeah, but wow.
Well, and then I think it'sinteresting with you know, as we were
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kind of spooling around this, youknow, like we said nineties nineties era,
because while I like the thought ofyou know, we're talking about,
like you mentioned Philip Field, there'sa lot of X Men crossover, there's
a lot of you know, definitelynineties stuff, which is also kind of
interesting now that we've just had XMen ninety seven and that nostalgia has been
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rip roaring. But it's still,you know, one of those things where
it's fun to imagine it set inlike the nineties. But I still like
how Lower Decks is just also verycurrent and very modern. Yeah, it
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was because we kept making it.X Men references, and it's interesting because
I've been watching the original cartoon toget ready for the new one. But
you, Darren, you probably right, Yeah, yeah, Dan, You're
probably more familiar with the production stuffof Saban and like the House X Men,
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but like that look, which isnot necessarily unique per se. But
I mean I'm trying to think ofother non anime cartoons like Sailor Mood and
Kids that it doesn't count, butI'm trying to think of other cartoons that
that look mutants to an extent,I mean, I know that's earlier,
but to an extent it has thatsort of anyway. But it's also a
very serious, serious show. Imean that's when I'm watching the X Men
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cartoon. I mean I remember watchingit as a kid, but it's like
this is for kids. I meanreally when you're watching, because it's not
funny in any like, it's aserious adventure show. I mean they're just
like, you know, shooting eachother and calling each other and attacking.
And I mean it's not like Iwould bet you pull up the cartoon lineup
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that X Men was on right andlook at their shows. It's gonna be
the most serious show I think byfar, I was always X men.
I mean Spider Man had a similartone too, So that's true. I
did like Spider Man because he's afunny character. But it's a similar tone
for sure. Well, I meanthere's like the one liner still of like
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a rogue or a gambit. Uhhe digs up, you know, like
boy boy. Well, I meanspeaking of a more serious tone. You
know, we we did have adiscovery on when this could be set if
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it's post uh you know, postt G. But during d S nine,
wait, I was thinking, doesthat mean that the animated series takes
place in line with the Dominion War? And so we so it's like,
wait, are the on the skateboard? I don't know? And the ultra
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Now now I'm imagining like the foulor like the border or more like Team
Rocket or something. Oh boy,here we go. You're gonna get me
wrong. I'm thinking two things here. First one is that the gym hitar
skateboards have horns all around the outside. Oh of course. And then obviously
and then and then yeah cat anda catch yousel white? Yeah White would
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be turned into the after the episodemessage it's an ecto cooler. Yes,
that would be the anti drug rugget. We're so brilliant, We're so white.
Is ecto cooler? I mean,come on, come on, guys
like that wouldn't sell now if youput that that was for sale and totally
cell totally just curiosity which one ofthe three of us beam down to the
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planet and got stung by a plant. Because this episode feels a lot like
Shade's Gray. I mean, I'mnot trying to im and it's way easier
to uh, don't you remember thismemory? Dan? No, no,
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that's the unpleasant one. Do thedial the other way, but yeah,
no, it's I think it's alsothis is also a fun episode for us
to record, I think because sometimesI think we, you know, we
don't go back to things we've alreadytalked about, and we've covered a lot
of stuff over the past what almostdecade of podcasting together. So this one
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was definitely a fan favorite and oneof my favorites. I can always find
the best clips when I just lookat when we were all laughing uncontrollably,
because those jokes still hit. They'restill just as funny, you know,
and thinking about a TG animated series, now you know now that you know
in the post I don't know thecard world because our our pitch I think
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was between generations and First Contact.Yeah, it was like introducing the new
the New Enterprise, which I well, I guess this would be First Contact
Nemesis. I mean, I knowinsurrections in there too, But like because
that whole of like where was theEnterprise during the Dominion War? I mean
that's kind of a gap right inthe franchise. I mean like it's sort
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of like, you know, there'sbecause there wasn't a TV series and so
we're not going to talk about them, But I mean that's sort of a
self referential gap of like now youcan set a series in that time because
like what was the Enterprise he doingkind of the Dominion War? Yeah,
they seemed to miss all the stuffthe way that we structured I mean,
our faith animated series, like thetone would not fit that at all.
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You know, obviously that's part ofthe joke. But it was just like,
can you imagine d Space not doinglike all of its serious storylines,
and then over here Pickhard and Richare all wacky and having there running at
the same time, you get likethe episode of like nog PTSD in the
hollow suite with Vic and the nextone is like, oh no, the
Dolphin security officers put a rocket onhis skateboard and hijinkson Sue exactly, no,
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exactly, I mean we we even, you know, I think where
was it? Yeah, we hadanother another prediction that you could cross over
into the original animated series. Iknow, yes, how are we going
to do that? How is itgoing to be the TAS TG TAS crossover?
And I mean we left when theymentioned it that they're like Lower Decks
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is crossing over with Stranger Worlds andwe're like, how is it? And
even though I really liked how theydid it with the kind of the bookend
of of the animated world and itwasn't like, you know, Mary Poppin's
style of two d Boimler pops outof the anomaly and it's like, this
is so weird. I feel likeat that point, it feels like I'm
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watching Mount Paramount Mountain uh commercial wherethey're like all the characters are together where
they shouldn't be because half of themare animated. Uh, but Captain Picard
kicks card. I mean, Imean it's funny, but that is the
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weirdest, Like probo campaign for Preparamountever. Uh but yeah, no,
but but again they I like howthe very end they have the animated uh
strange world crew in the lower deckstyle, and also we have the short
trek. We have the very shorttreks or whatever they call them for the
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animated and that one was even funnierand we kind of were like, oh,
you could do even more cross andthey did that with like Neelix and
Quark and like the Holo Deck withinthe Holo Deck within the Holi Deck,
and we were like, wow,this is we called it, guys,
we called it. Yeah, andit would be I mean we've said as
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much back then, but the sameis try now you know, uh knockoln
Wood. No main TG actor hasdeparted yet, but I mean, I
don't mean to say it this way, but kind of taken and so and
again like don't do it just todo it. But like in Fantasy World,
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I think we still I mean,this is almost sort of like borderline
AI. It's not, but sofar as contracts and union stuff, but
like taking the clips from tas ofthe voice, you can make an episode
with the TG right cass, youknow, And we talked about that a
little bit. I mean, youknow, so it took all the raw
audio from seven years of I meanyou could pay the estates and the pace
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of course, yeah, but don'tjust steal them. But yeah, yeah,
we're probably not that far off fromthat becoming a thing where somebody's voice
becomes forever. And to some extentthat's kind of sad because you know,
I think of like Avatar Last Airbender, where like Uncle Iro the actor who
did him past and they had aseries of episodes where he didn't talk and
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they built it into the story andthen when he talked again, it was
a new voice actor and that continuedthe role. But you know, but
yeah, but AI would would kindof change that mantra. Interesting way to
go about doing that, Like like, I guess it makes sense if they
don't have it, but I justjust to just not acknowledge it or whatever.
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This is weird. It's just weird. Well, and I mean not
to go down this rabbit hole,but I was recently watching in a US,
you know, Sunday Morning if you'refamiliar with that magazine show, But
they did a piece on Randy Traviswho had a stroke, and they were
long story short, doing AI newsong with him now, I mean he
can't obviously do anything, but it'ssort of with his permission and his family's
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permission of using his old stuff,using a current singer to I guess do
levels and then adding to then careerbasically an AI version. But I mean,
if the guy's getting permission, youjust can't post stroke. But anyway,
so that's like with permission and everything, you know, dots i's and
cross t's presumably, but like what'sthe next step, and so it's like
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m M anyway, Well, thenext step is we predicted John Delancy came
back, because that's what everybody needs. I think Q should be in every
episode, but we don't realize it. He's just he's a he's more to
another character in the back, Likewe just see him at the back,
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like waving and no one sees him. This is the end of the credits.
It's like they show where this iswhat I'm trying to remember his clues
about. So this is pre bluesclues, like where's c gout? Car
is over there? So I don'tsee him? Is he over here?
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No, he's freaking over there.We just de aged the show. Spin
off Que's clues. That's awesome fun. Ah, yes, q Q's clues.
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I mean he did come back,not quite in the funniest way,
but I listen to what was havingfun with the idea of when he came
back. Pretty it's serious and talkingI'm dying, I'm dying. Our ours
was a little more we skewed downto like what preschool era of, like
find him in the background. That'sfun. Kids will like that. Now.
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I mean he has cameos on lowerdecks a few times. That's true,
very little, but a little bit. Yeah yeah, what were you
saying, Daniel, just that theywent in the very opposite dooy Yeah,
yeah they did, they did.But that's okay. Now, I think
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I think for all of its rockinessin the beginning, like we've mentioned lower
decks, it it's something new,it is something different. It's it's being
such a referential show but also reallybeing animated. I don't think you could
pull off a self referential, referentialshow as much that is not animated,
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because it's so much easier to belike, oh, yeah, well the
actors still live. Just bring themin and do the voice and boom boom
boom, and you can animate youknow, we were choking in episode about
like, uh, you know,oh, how could they do the holodeck
or the danger Room as we calledit, because everything was very X men
like. But yeah, I meanthe fact that, I mean, we
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know how you feel about holidays,Daniel, but you know they could animate
it and do almost anything, andthey did that. Like I love the
episode where they're testing and and theyand Boiler goes back to save the boorg
babies, like over and over andover, and like that's that's really fun.
Like yeah, if you think aboutit, in the Wesley episodes where
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he's testing, he's sitting at thatlike giant computer console, it's like really
boring. It's like, no,no, this should be on the Holiday
deck custom, you know, customall the way. Uh yeah, yeah,
I was just thinking of that becausethat episode of Lower Decks of course
has an ultimate Tas reference because ithas that oh even more sillient. Yeah,
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the green ones that splits into threeI can't remember their name, but
yeahl we are anyway. Yeah,yeah, and it's interesting to think about.
Now, you know, this isif people want to do it,
blah blah blah blah. But obviouslywe're die hard ten Geers. But I
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mean, if you're going to arguethat Prodigy is a voyager continuation, which
it's just genuine jocote. There areother people available. But if you're gonna
argue that, I mean d Snine. You know, again, I'm
not a Star Wars person, butlike I know, modern Star Wars animated,
uh, including CG. I don'tknow if when you say animated,
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but I mean Dea Stein would bepretty cool. I mean, you know,
I know some people are no longeraround, but I mean you just
don't include those characters, or youdo something or you recast, which is
always controversial, but you know thatwould certainly be the main thing would be
can you get every Brooks back?Because that's answer is no, can you
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get back a little? I thinkis the is the is the question?
Because I mean, or he comesback from the profits and sounds different guys.
It's true you can just have serRock be Cisco. Oh yeah,
that's the thing too. And Ilove Esday's nine, but These Pays nine
is complete, like it's done.It did kind of wrap up really and
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it's like, yeah, it's fineto just like visit some of those characters
again. But like that that thatgroup is a unit, that that storyline,
like all of that sort of stuffis just sort of sort of done.
And I would be happier if theyjust left it alone, you know
what I mean, like not tryto force. We have little visits like
in lower Decks, but it's notlike we're trying to redo it. Yeah.
Yeah, that's totally fun. Youknow, just wanted the story of
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Bajor to be complete, and youfeel like it has, and so Daniel's
happy. I think I just,you know, realistically, I don't think
we're ever gonna get every back again. But I also kind of feel like
maybe we shouldn't. I just Ijust it's fine. I think you're right.
I think just just just let itbe. Bring back Derek Andrew Robinson.
I'm sure we'd love to come back, you know, make make a
(34:58):
whole movie about him or something.That's fine, but having to go to
Cardassian do Cardassian things, just probablythe Basher and Garrett comedy Buddy Hour that
would be exactly free. Alexander comeback. I think he would well,
like I wonder, and it's hardto imagine this because we're sort of stuck
in the time, but thinking aboutthe twenty first century shows now, of
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course many are still running. Iwouldn't argue anything for Precard but Discovery,
I mean, give it ten years. So one pitched to Discovery Animated series.
I mean I can see it,sure, not having anybody watch recently,
but I'm sure. But I'm surethere's plenty of mine. I mean,
you know they did this, this, and this, well they did,
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Philip, it's called the season thatyou didn't watch, but I don't
without seeing it, at least readingit. I don't know if anyone would
argue that that story was landed.I mean obviously because I didn't know,
and it was rushed because I didn'thave a choice, which you know,
nothing against them. So did anybodydie? Maybe we shouldn't answer that question.
(36:04):
I don't know anything any any spoilersor anything like that. So okay,
I have no idea what like statethe universe is and that they left
it. So well, we'll discoverthe Academy tune in. Yeah, that's
true, that's true. Uh,well, we did make another prediction which
didn't end up in Lower Decks,but it was more in Discovery about combadges.
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No. I actually, you know, when they could for they could
have to they don't have to havelife belts. This is now, you
know, the twenty fourth century.It's the communicator, it's all, it's
all built into the combadge. Justdon't lose it, yeah, because you
know, it's like what it's likea hollow projector, it's a transporter.
It's the rank badge. It's everything, guys, everything. If you if
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you forget your combat, you arescrewed. Showing up to your duty would
change, you know some of theTG episodes that they're like he's in the
turbo lift and they get there andthere's just the com badge on the floor,
and then they're like, well,it can't go anywhere or access anything
or do anything because it's literally likeyou left your phone, Like you left
everything in the transporter? People naked, did I? Oh did I?
(37:10):
Yeah? Keys, wallet, combatge, I'm good pockets. So it's like
there's only one thing it could be. So, oh that's funny. You're
walking out the door, do youremember your combadge right here? Sorry?
Thanks? Thanks? Do you thinkthe combadges are smart enough to tell you
that you're leaving them behind? You'rethinking in twenty fourth century terms, you
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don't walk out doors, you stillbe enough to wherever you want to be.
So if you are like I needto get the bridge. Oh oh,
I don't even have my combadge on. Let me put that on.
Yeah, I know it's tough.I don't it's just like I shouldn't say
I don't know because I have notwatched those two seasons of Discovery, But
I bet there's no ever any explanationfor like how it knows where you want
(38:00):
to go and like where, likehow does that tell? How does the
transporter work? Like you just thinkreal hard, Like I wish it was
so true. I don't remember themsaying like bridge before they tap, like
it's just it's also a tricorder likeit's it is it does like it's like
it does a lot it I mean, I think the biggest issue with the
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self beaming I kind of get itfor plot, but really the turble lift
was there for plot more because wehave a lot of conversations in the turbolift,
like that's nobody talks anymore. Lookup from your combadge, engaged with
the world around you. Because becauseI think literally we saw their turblelifts go
through crazy null space in the middleof I wouldn't want to write on it
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either. So because I think theone of the more memorable episodes of this
past season of Discovery. Again thisis not personal, but is the not
twisted but anyway where they're going throughthe different times of the Discovery. But
like the reason that Michael and thenew guy whose name is Scapesy for a
(39:07):
second from Battlestar Galactica is because they'reliterally beaming from the bridge to the ready
room instead of walking, and likethat's how they get like not caught in
the temporal bug or whatever it is. And so but it's like one of
those like yes, they have tolike literally beam to a room that's next
door instead of just walking. It'slike, come on, guys, this
is now what's turning into Wally andwhere nobody actually uses their legs, Like
(39:32):
everyone stays in their quarters. Everythingis connected through multiple screens and com badges
and they just hit a button andthey don't have to go to the bridge.
They just uh, there's just ascreen on every chair and they're teleconferencing
into the bridge and yeah, noit yeah, it's a little too far.
Well, I think, you know, as we're round and third one
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of the cool things now is againback in twenty eighteen when we were recording
this, Uh, you know,we've gotten so many toys. We've gotten,
uh one of those Nerf guns theyhave, like the Phaser rifle and
a little hand phaser. I neverwould have thought we would have gotten that,
even though they're a little borgified.We've gotten a lot of the Eagle
(40:17):
Moss ships. I got my Bixilcerritos here. I think you were showing
Badgie a moment ago, Philip asHe's, uh, We're oh, there
go ring ships and all of that. But I still feel, you know
that if they had just done anEagle Moss type of ad in the nineties
(40:40):
style, they just they would havesold better. Loved the little commercial bits
starting pull finefloring bull Born seven.While exploring the planet, You're the neutral
Z and the Enterprise n Wrap comesunder this swat the kind of final from
a rough starting clapp tires back,which which are deplcted by the Rumulan shields,
(41:01):
so only the Enterprise appears part waitpoton torpedoes, I'm come. The
Romulan Warbird activates it's cloaking device,and who's gone under Ringful's Power Enterprise when
who was out of Wall but beforeengaging Mo'll drive start direct but next generation
New Action accessories from Playmates that iswild Shu on an adventure and it doesn't
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let y like thirty seconds. Ialso love how it feels more intense because
there are no pronouns like meaning it'sit's not saying like the Enterprise leaves or
they attack the ship, you know, it's like no, it's like the
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Enterprise attacks the Romlin Warbird using aClass two disruptor and then goes to Impulse
and then goes to this like everythingis spelled out because that's what they're selling.
They're selling the fact that it makesthe sound and attacks that ship.
But it's just people don't talk likethat. People don't, you know,
use the full name of things everysingle part of a sentence. And it's
(42:05):
hilarious. I mean, I lovethat, like it is just reading stage
directions because it's like when I alsofeel read it does well, but when
I listen to it, it's likeone part of me is like, oh,
they're going to say something wrong,but they're not. Everything they say
is correct. But it's just likewe go to Impulse press button. Then
we go to warp drive press button. Like I was like, the four
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buttons. They have to make surethey press photons phasers, right button and
make right sound. They were fillingout the form, and you know,
they were filling out the description ofexactly what happens in the commercial. But
somebody decided to read that out thatwas part of the commercial. I thought
that was a script. I justrealized that they just hold it, make
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the noise. It speaks for itself. I'm not going to read the whole
thing. Okay, well you're justgonna read it every everything. You know.
I probably was this kid, youknow, who was like, I'm
gonna you is my type two phasernot the pattern enhancers to get warf out
of here. It's like, no, you'd think no kid would talk to
that. No, we were thosekids. We did talk like that when
we played with our playmates action figures. Uh yeah, no, I think,
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man, the promulant Warbard has violatedthe neutral zone. The Enterprise files
contact Starflee Command to file a violation. You're like, can't press that button,
Hailey frequencies open Captain. Yeah,it's like or or there. Accidentally,
(43:36):
there's a certain batch of enterprises thataccidentally make the cloak sounded like relive
the Pegass encounter with the enerprise.You know. It's like they said,
like, okay, well we can'treprogram ten thousand ships. What do we
do? Uh? Put a stickeron the box that says Vegas Special Edition
Edition, charge five extra dollars spam. It comes with a a concerned Riker
(44:02):
figure, like a little little insertwindow they just added. And he's just
like, oh, I don't know. If I want to tell Captain my
secret, you can. And theyjust remodeled the Picard figure as Admiral Pressman.
You just got to put the admiraluniform over it. But it's the
same. People are like, wait, that's just percard and amirals use the
worm. Well, no, he'snot admiral. It's gotta be pressman.
(44:23):
Oh man. Uh yeah, no, I think it's just it's just and
now I'm just picturing like I'm reportingyou to the Admiralty. I should have
done this a long time ago.I'm wrestling with like wrestling with your conscience.
Commander Riker wrestles with his conscience.Deanna Troy helps him. Sometimes you
(44:43):
go to the hot no, no, Enterprise and X one Soul separately.
Yeah, you have to watch.Uh no, I'm just picturing, like,
you know, do you want tobe, you know, for Eagle
Moss, Like do you want tobe like an admiral of Starfleet and wish
you had a little miniature version ofall yours ships lined up on your desk?
Well now you can. It's introducing. That's that's fun. I mean,
(45:05):
I mean money, but like youdon't these days. You just do
a YouTube video. You don't haveto actually make a commercial commercial, right
right, But I'm surprised they don't. I'm boxing videos, yeah, Like
I know nothing about Eagle Moss orMaster Replicas or fun Home or whatever the
heck. The new one's going tobe this fall, but like it is
sort of like serious collectors. I'mlike, dude, you can have fun,
(45:28):
Like you don't have to. Imean, we're spending two hundred dollars,
you know, you might as welljust have fun with it, you
know. So I'm surprised they don'tdo like those commercials of Like that's probably
because if you touch these models toomuch, let's fall apart. But at
least you really feel at least,you know, a kid you know,
gets a hold of his Currito's shipand then kind of wants to recreate the
(45:51):
intro, so all the wacky things. It's just like in the fridge in
the garden, you know, andit's just it's basically like a live action
ish version of the intro where allthe crazy stuff's happening, and then it
like flies around the corner. There'slike the USS flag and g I Joe.
It just turns around. It's likenope, nope, I'm not gonna
(46:13):
deal with that six foot monstrosity.That'd be hilarious. So you're saying that
that model didn't come with the withthe squid thing. I didn't see someone
I think who three D printed awarp chewing squid thing and that they would
fit onto their their model. Butunfortunately it's not an accessory, although we
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knew we do know. If itwas, it would be in translucent plastic,
one color, the same color ofall the other accessories that the Cerritos
came in. That's how you doit. They're all purple. We don't
know why, but we know why. Well, yeah, it's like,
well it's purple because the delithum crystalis purple. So all of Jordi's devices
(47:00):
are purple and the data orange.Like as a kid, I know it's
going off like everything could have beengray and it would have been made been
one hundred percent better like tricorder gray, phaser gray. I mean they're all
gray. I mean even if stuffit isn't pad gray, but it's like,
no, it's all green shade onehundred percent gray gray. That expensive
(47:22):
and colors aren't. I don't knowwhat the problem is here, It's just
I think it also makes it easierto tell like where your stuff is because
you could see it in your bagof you know, I know, not
to eat accessories that's my You canpaint them if you really really want it.
You can just paint the things oldthan that kind of nerd. All
(47:43):
right, Well, yeah, itwas a lot of fun, just kind
of remembering some say shades of Gray, I don't our old Earl gray episode
and those fun times we didn't evenknow how to podcast. Who knew,
you know, just maybe press recordand hope for the best. But yeah,
(48:06):
but it has been fun, justkind of as we were talking about
wishes in this era that where wedidn't have as much to listen to or
to watch, and now we're livingin that that star Trek high life,
and who knows, maybe we're headinginto another dry spell with a little bit
less on the screen. Yeah,as we're wrapping up two shows, three
(48:29):
shows, but Cards gone, Discovery'sgone, and Lower Decks has one more
season and probably always question Mark,probably these question Mark Strange New Worlds is
still going strong as far as Ireally don't worry about per Se. I
don't, Yeah, I don't.And then Academy is starting, so we're
going from what like five to two. Yeah, so with section thirty one
(48:52):
floating, we're going to have anew corporate daddy soon one way or the
other. Yeah, that's my Imean, that's a whole other topic,
but that is my word, justbecause I don't understand how things work,
because like say, everything we've talkedabout is true, you know above Academy
in development section thirty one any daynow, but like if something goes pear
(49:13):
shaped in like a month, whathappens? Yeah, you know what I'm
saying. I mean, and everythingI've ever I don't know how independent these
like, you know, CBS Studiosis like, well, Wolves keep doing
what we're doing, and hope someonepicks us up or is it like money
stick it turned off? Well,yeah, everything I've ever read about or
seen about a merger usually they're like, oh, you were doing that before
(49:34):
we came. Yeah, no,we're not doing that anymore. This is
what we want to do. Andit's like, so then why do anything?
But who knows? Precarious world ofHollywood. All right, Well,
Daniel, if someone wanted to talkto you about your special Lower Decks audiobook
series, where would they they findyou? They could find me all over
(49:54):
the internet at one of Dan that'sthe number one, not the word.
And Philip, if someone wanted totalk to you about your Eagle Moss ikea
display options that crossover event, wherewould they find you? They can find
me at the Eagle Moss Repair shopat Instagram c A P T S F
(50:16):
U f P. Well, youknow, we have another use for that
tiny, tiny hex key to fixyour cells and your shelf. And if
someone wanted to talk to me aboutnew Shades of Gray episode ideas, they
can find me at doctorSci fi dotcom d R S c I F I.
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Well, I'm Darren Mozart, I'mPhilip Kilphiss, I'm danie Opoth stranded
here on Citi Alpha three
Welcome to the nerd Party. I'mDarren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphus, I'm
Daniel Prue and this is City Alphathree. Hello, and welcome to City
(00:24):
Alpha three, a Star Trek podcasthere on the nerd Party network. I
am Darren and I'm joined as alwaysby my fellow strandees Philip and Daniel.
Probably in the middle of an episodeone tng rewatch, Philip, I know
you've been chatting in our group chatof oh I remember this one or I
remember this one. Yeah, Iam, I'm I guess I'm near the
(00:48):
end. But it is one ofthose things, and not in a bad
way. We were like this justgoes on forever. And because it's like
I'm on episode twenty two, howmany are left? Like eight in thirteen
because in my mind Yard dies halfwaythrough, But that's not true at all.
Like I'm it's the next episode,like I just finished Arsenal of Freedom,
which I think is episode twenty two. Don't quote me, but it's
(01:11):
around that, and the next oneis not, you know, Oily whatever.
I think next one is Symbiosis,which may have technically been her last
episode, because I know there's thatthat one episode that's technically her last because
you can see her waving her wayfrom her cargo bed. One may see
her. Yes, yeah, skinso but yeah, no, I'm enjoying
it. Like there's one or twoepisodes that I'm like, yeah, they're
(01:34):
not bad, they're just boring.But they are to me very few,
very few, I'd say, likelike five, and I'm on episode twenty
two that are just like, oh, this is boring. So yeah,
and uh. On a slightly separatenote, but kind of in the same
vein, I finished or read thePatrick Stewart autobiography. Oh, very nice.
(01:57):
There's a lot of sort of along, long book it. Yeah,
yeah, it does. To me, it went fast after the I
was in the second half, andto me it went faster than the first
half. But yeah, I thinkthe Daniel you'll appreciate this, because I
don't know if you'll get around toreading it. You had mentioned the staring,
but you hadn't named names, andI think Daniel would enjoy this.
He actually we mentioned, you know, whatever, he had an affair.
(02:20):
He actually had a few. Butanyway, Daniel who he had an affair
with during his first marriage, Ohyeah it was dash, Yeah, really
really I didn't know that that's true. I didn't mention that, but yeah,
it's I was like, oh oh, it kind of kind of makes
those episodes a little different to watch. I mean, it was over by
the second time she came in,but that first time that was how it
(02:44):
started. Oh my god, Ididn't even know that. That's funny.
Yeah, So it's it's very interestinghow he you know, and you can
take it or leave it. I'mjust telling you what he says. But
he says as he talks about hislife that when you're in theater or whatever
and you're in roles where you're sayingI love you to some a character,
that that can turn real like yousay it enough. So I mean that
(03:04):
was sort of but yeah, butyeah, I know it's a very interesting
life. You know. I certainlyrecommend it for all trek Is, you
know, because he'd like, andyou said this there. He does talk
Star Trek at least mentioned Star Treka lot. I mean, just where
is bread is buttered? He likehe sprinkles it in as he gets there,
but which I think is smart whenhe because there was like moments where
he's like later in Star Trek,this would happen I meet this person again,
(03:28):
and blah blah blah blah blah,Like that's the time to tell that
mini story, not twenty chapters laterwhen he's actually in the nineties. So
I think it's paced very well forbecause I think what it is if you
actually talk the Star Trek talk chronologicallywhen he gets to it, it's majority
fairly quick. Yeah, it's majorityseason one, sprinkles in the rest of
(03:49):
the series like he oh, highlightepisodes of this is when we really got
going, or this is when Imet that Dada da da, and then
generations a little first contact is hisfavorite because it is why wouldn't it be,
And then like Insurrection Nemesis he justbrushes off as like, yeah they
were duds. Yeah, they werereally like one line like and then we
did two more movies and then justkind of yeah, no, that's that's
(04:14):
true, and he talks he doesn'tdwell on it, but he does go
into Picard of course that's true.Yeah, it's it does feel by that
point of the book that he's kindof like wrapping it up, like I
was almost winning like a part two, almost like this gonna be like a
two part memoir, because I mean, the man good, he's had a
long career. Yeah, but Imean or maybe a Star Trek memoir that's
(04:36):
literally just focused on Star Trek stories. And there were a few that I
had not heard, but most,you know, we've all kind of heard
the stories. We've all been thescarecrow. So he could if if that
wasn't enough content, he could bemy time is in Star Trek and on
X Men, and there you go. Double gets a good chunk. I
(04:58):
mean, not as speak as StarTrek, but he goes through X Men
the whole a pretty good amount.Yeah. I think the thing that I
learned that like I knew this muchbut didn't know that much, was that
like ge never liked him, andI don't think not personally per se,
but as being cast, didn't wanthim for that role and took a long
time to come around. A longtime. I mean like I'm like I
(05:19):
always got like, oh, thebald thing and and the hair and he's
older and not necessarily what he wasLike. I kind of got that when
the initial casting, but I thoughtlike, oh, maybe he got cast
and everything was jelly from there,but it was like no, not really,
Gane was just sort of like thisarms folded for like three series.
You know, yeah, no,but we do. We do recommend it.
(05:40):
It's was it make it, makingit make it? So yeah,
yeah, what about you, Daniel, how's your trick week? Month?
Year? Been still stuck in DMGseason one. I haven't watched anything else
yet. That's okay, I'm rollingand going. It's busy. It's the
(06:00):
time of the year. H Sonot really much reported. Honestly, we
haven't even decided on a show towatch after fallout, so if there's any
recommendations, let me know. Oh, well, that's all about modern television,
but we're not talking about modern televisionthis week. Have you watched new
season of Boys? I don't knowif you both watched that. I haven't
(06:23):
seen that at all. I doactually want to watch that. I've seen
a few. I don't watch thatwith my wife, so I don't know
if that's a joint watch in yourhousehold. Well, I mean, I
guess it's it's twenty years ago.But last night we watched the first extended
edition of Lord of the Rings theFellowship of the Ring. Oh yeah,
(06:46):
for the first time, and wewere going to see it in theaters.
But this is my fault. Iguess I didn't look at the ticket close
enough, but I apparently got ticketsfor what's called for x D, which
is basically like an enhanced theater experiencewhere you are in a motion chair.
(07:10):
There is like wind and lightning effect. Sounds good on paper, guys,
sounds good on paper. Absolute livinghell, Like really, Oh, it's
just because it's like you're on edge. I mean, we've all been on
those kind of rides, like ina movie theater or sorry, in a
theme park, and that's like,you know, three or four minutes.
This would have been a four hourmovie. And I'm sorry, but no.
(07:34):
And so we were just catching thetrailers and there's like trailers for Twisters
and a few others, and it'sjust like yeah, you're like shaken around.
And I looked at my wife andI'm like, well, baby,
it's just a trailer. Maybe it'snot for the whole movie. And then
when we was going in the openingand it was like starting the big Battle
(07:55):
of the Elves and we're just likenope, nope, we're done. Just
walk like we just we can't.It's gonna be no fun. So we
just went home. We already hadour popcorn and sodas and candy, and
we just took it home and poppedin the Blu ray of the Extended Editions,
which we own, and just watchit there. And it was way
more enjoyable that way. I thinkit would have been fun on the big
(08:16):
screen, but I mistook what wewere getting. And yeah, I never
planned to watch a movie like that. It, like I said, sounds
good on paper, very different inperson, especially without getting too much to
it. That thing that long andyou have to paint, don't check me
(08:37):
around? No, no, no, Well there's a little button like on
your armrest that says disabled water effects, so each person can choose. And
I'm like, okay, okay,Yeah, it was again good on paper,
but yeah, no, we werelike no, no, no,
no, no, nope, thankgod. Her like it. She did.
(08:58):
She stayed up and it's like fourhours, it's like a long time,
but no, she she really enjoyedit. And it's been a long
while. It's probably been at leastlike ten twelve years since I watched it,
just you know, hadn't popped itin. So it was kind of
fun to relive it. And althoughbecause I, you know, I supports
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for a Lord of the Rings moviethat's been und for everyone book. But
I wasn't remembering that that Gandalf dies, you know, like quote unquote dies,
and so that was a big impactfor her, you know, and
she's like, he's my wife.And I look at each other like we
gotta we can't spoil because she's goingto watch the next one tomorrow or today.
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But we're like, man, likethis is a major impact, you
know, and we're like hiding theDVD for the next one from her because
he's right on the cover for sayingI'm back, oh that anyway. But
no, it was really really fun, just yeah, just really good movies,
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just in that perfect era of filmmakingwhere there was enough special effects to
pull it off, but still somuch is real. Because I'm just looking
at like Hobbiton and all these places, and I'm like, this all would
have been cgi nowadays. It wouldjust they would have done a ton of
in the volume, like so muchstuff would have just they would not have
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built and committed to these little momentsets and I'm like, oh, that
would have been sad. So butyou know, the Rings of Power did
not destroy the original trilogy. Ifound I found it, you guys.
It was still here in in myBlu ray case. It's it's I can
watch it whenever I want. MattSmith still working, that's all there.
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You go, all right? Well, like I said, uh, we're
back around and this was funny.I occasionally it's so funny. I don't
know about you guys, but beinga podcaster, I do listen to other
podcasts, but not a ton LikeThere's a few I listened to, mostly
like tech or Star Wars ish ones, but I will rarely re listen to
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our episodes except for a few.I have a few that are saved in
my phone TGRPG. You know thatone is just anytime we're just dying laughing
is a good one to remember.But this one, I man, I
went the way back machine. Thisis episode one twenty eight of Earl Gray,
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So the show before this show.This is February of twenty sixteen,
just a couple of years ago.My goodness, we were like yesterday.
Yeah, we were never that young. But this one was really fun.
We brought on Aaron Harvey, afriend of the show podcast. Now we're
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on the podcast a I know we'refrom it, but we were talking about,
you know, making a TG animatedshow kind of set in the nineties,
and you know, it's our breadand butter, like making a concept
around something and just building on itand building on it. But it was
really fun re listening to this,not just because we laughed so much,
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but because of how many things wekind of implied or suggested that have come
true in the intervening like eight years, this was still like a year or
two. It was a year beforeDiscovery came out, so I don't think
I don't know if it even beenannounced yet. And it was four years
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before Lower Decks came out, sowe were in the dry spell between you
know, nineties Trek. You hadJJ Trek, but there was nothing,
and so we were just shooting themoon. And I'm not saying we predicted
it, guys. I'm not sayingthat people listened to Manifest. They did.
Maybe we have hit it out there, but I think only because Aaron
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was on yes, oh yes,but when we were and and I've taken
some of those select clips to playfor you guys and our listeners. But
I think the real fun part wasjust how we became the intro. But
we could have in the opening thedestruction of the D. You see it
like all animated and awesome, andthen the E comes in like it's new
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and everyone's getting all excited. Now, now you've created a cool, odd,
weird nineties intro theme of like theEnterprise was destroyed, but a new
Enterprise was bit plenty of letters.It's all drags, g g GA.
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Yes, that's it. That's theintro right there. And I mean and
lower decks like it's I would sayless crazy than the lower decks centro.
Y, Yeah, that's true.It's actually about equally crazy, because man,
that intro is. But yeah,what do you guys think about Like,
I mean, obviously we're talking alot lower decks a lot, because
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that's a major aspect of this.But are you guys happy with what we
got from lower decks being you know, post TNG very referential, you know,
but less is still kind of itsown era as opposed to like when
the Enterprise D was around and allof that, you know, in our
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imagination of the nineties. What doyou think, Philip, I mean,
in some ways it checks the blockand in other ways it doesn't. And
that's not to say, oh,we don't like it. We love lower
decks, but I mean it,we're like, because what we can complain
about it, if you want touse that word, is the we want
a series that moves the timeline forward, and so lower dex is I mean
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it's post Nemesis and we're like,ah, that's what we love. We
wanted to keep the story story going. Now. Of course, on the
other side, it was like whenit first started, not that you know,
it was more like, ah,but it's jokey, joke reference reference
and you're like, Okay, wellthat's what this show is. That's fine.
But I think now that they've settleda little bit more, as we've
said before, you know, nowit is kind of that universe where it
is continuing that story. I mean, they're not exactly and I wonder the
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philosophy in that writer's room and Mikeis whether you know, they're not necessarily
creating new canon if you know whatI mean. They're like to avoid and
to create. You know, theydon't establish anything that can later be you
know. But all that said,so yeah, no, I think if
you told me the next animated seriesis just going to be spoofy, spoof
spoof and you're like, oh,well okay, because it's like, what
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are you doing animated that you couldn'thave done elsewhere? Now, I guess
they would say, you can makeit more comic and you know, do
things comically, which they do,whereas our pitch was like, you can
bring in people who are maybe older, or effects or you know, things
that we can't do practically because ofbudget, and that's what the animated series.
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But you know, no exactly.Well, I mean we had one
prediction that was straight up dolphin crewcetacean ops. Of course he's replaced by
a cetaceans. We have our dolphinsecurity officer. There you go, and
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it becomes the instant breakout character ofthe next gen animated series. And no
one cares about Michael Dorn anymore soDaniel. So, I mean, we
got a lot of cetace in inlower decks. They always have I guess
subtitles as they're they're squeaking. Butit didn't leave live up to your expectations
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of what you were expecting with tation. Ops. Well, you know,
I'm a little different in tone whatwe saw on Lord Decks. But it
makes sense to make an animated youknow, what I was just, man,
I don't even know why my mompopped back here, But wasn't What
was the show in the nineties thathad a dolphin in it? What was
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it? There was a show,a sequest sequest? Yes, yeah,
yeah, Star Trek could have borrowedan actual dolphin, Darwin and yeah,
speak to you anyways, that's I'llnever hearing there. But anyways, Yeah,
you can show up on the Enterprise, so can Darwin. Yeah,
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I mean it makes sense if you'reactually gonna do this thing, because it
would be very difficult to do inlive action. So I think they handled
it just as well as they couldhave, and then through in some silly
jokes as well. That is justas a reminder, Camolu and Matt Oh
the dolphins. It's it's like it'slike men in Black, like and Bob,
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you know, it's just the weirdname. Well, even though it
wasn't was it was it? Yeah, it wasn't Lower Decks, but it
was in Picard. We also madean important character return prediction, and I'm
asking myself as well, and I'malso trying to think, how does Roe
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come back? Daniel animated awesome?Yeah, for one scene and one scene
only and then uh, yeah,she did bro come back awesome. Nope,
No, well she was awesome whenshe first showed up, and then
they killed her because they wanted toraise the stack. I can't even remember
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why they killed her because I justremember being angry. She was like,
Okay, it's dumb, but okay, anytime a main character gets in a
shuttle, we have to follow it. Not a good move, guys,
We've tried that. It doesn't doesn'tquite work. Yeah, but wow.
Well, and then I think it'sinteresting with you know, as we were
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kind of spooling around this, youknow, like we said nineties nineties era,
because while I like the thought ofyou know, we're talking about,
like you mentioned Philip Field, there'sa lot of X Men crossover, there's
a lot of you know, definitelynineties stuff, which is also kind of
interesting now that we've just had XMen ninety seven and that nostalgia has been
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rip roaring. But it's still,you know, one of those things where
it's fun to imagine it set inlike the nineties. But I still like
how Lower Decks is just also verycurrent and very modern. Yeah, it
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was because we kept making it.X Men references, and it's interesting because
I've been watching the original cartoon toget ready for the new one. But
you, Darren, you probably right, Yeah, yeah, Dan, You're
probably more familiar with the production stuffof Saban and like the House X Men,
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but like that look, which isnot necessarily unique per se. But
I mean I'm trying to think ofother non anime cartoons like Sailor Mood and
Kids that it doesn't count, butI'm trying to think of other cartoons that
that look mutants to an extent,I mean, I know that's earlier,
but to an extent it has thatsort of anyway. But it's also a
very serious, serious show. Imean that's when I'm watching the X Men
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cartoon. I mean I remember watchingit as a kid, but it's like
this is for kids. I meanreally when you're watching, because it's not
funny in any like, it's aserious adventure show. I mean they're just
like, you know, shooting eachother and calling each other and attacking.
And I mean it's not like Iwould bet you pull up the cartoon lineup
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that X Men was on right andlook at their shows. It's gonna be
the most serious show I think byfar, I was always X men.
I mean Spider Man had a similartone too, So that's true. I
did like Spider Man because he's afunny character. But it's a similar tone
for sure. Well, I meanthere's like the one liner still of like
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a rogue or a gambit. Uhhe digs up, you know, like
boy boy. Well, I meanspeaking of a more serious tone. You
know, we we did have adiscovery on when this could be set if
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it's post uh you know, postt G. But during d S nine,
wait, I was thinking, doesthat mean that the animated series takes
place in line with the Dominion War? And so we so it's like,
wait, are the on the skateboard? I don't know? And the ultra
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Now now I'm imagining like the foulor like the border or more like Team
Rocket or something. Oh boy,here we go. You're gonna get me
wrong. I'm thinking two things here. First one is that the gym hitar
skateboards have horns all around the outside. Oh of course. And then obviously
and then and then yeah cat anda catch yousel white? Yeah White would
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be turned into the after the episodemessage it's an ecto cooler. Yes,
that would be the anti drug rugget. We're so brilliant, We're so white.
Is ecto cooler? I mean,come on, come on, guys
like that wouldn't sell now if youput that that was for sale and totally
cell totally just curiosity which one ofthe three of us beam down to the
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planet and got stung by a plant. Because this episode feels a lot like
Shade's Gray. I mean, I'mnot trying to im and it's way easier
to uh, don't you remember thismemory? Dan? No, no,
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that's the unpleasant one. Do thedial the other way, but yeah,
no, it's I think it's alsothis is also a fun episode for us
to record, I think because sometimesI think we, you know, we
don't go back to things we've alreadytalked about, and we've covered a lot
of stuff over the past what almostdecade of podcasting together. So this one
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was definitely a fan favorite and oneof my favorites. I can always find
the best clips when I just lookat when we were all laughing uncontrollably,
because those jokes still hit. They'restill just as funny, you know,
and thinking about a TG animated series, now you know now that you know
in the post I don't know thecard world because our our pitch I think
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was between generations and First Contact.Yeah, it was like introducing the new
the New Enterprise, which I well, I guess this would be First Contact
Nemesis. I mean, I knowinsurrections in there too, But like because
that whole of like where was theEnterprise during the Dominion War? I mean
that's kind of a gap right inthe franchise. I mean like it's sort
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of like, you know, there'sbecause there wasn't a TV series and so
we're not going to talk about them, But I mean that's sort of a
self referential gap of like now youcan set a series in that time because
like what was the Enterprise he doingkind of the Dominion War? Yeah,
they seemed to miss all the stuffthe way that we structured I mean,
our faith animated series, like thetone would not fit that at all.
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You know, obviously that's part ofthe joke. But it was just like,
can you imagine d Space not doinglike all of its serious storylines,
and then over here Pickhard and Richare all wacky and having there running at
the same time, you get likethe episode of like nog PTSD in the
hollow suite with Vic and the nextone is like, oh no, the
Dolphin security officers put a rocket onhis skateboard and hijinkson Sue exactly, no,
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exactly, I mean we we even, you know, I think where
was it? Yeah, we hadanother another prediction that you could cross over
into the original animated series. Iknow, yes, how are we going
to do that? How is itgoing to be the TAS TG TAS crossover?
And I mean we left when theymentioned it that they're like Lower Decks
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is crossing over with Stranger Worlds andwe're like, how is it? And
even though I really liked how theydid it with the kind of the bookend
of of the animated world and itwasn't like, you know, Mary Poppin's
style of two d Boimler pops outof the anomaly and it's like, this
is so weird. I feel likeat that point, it feels like I'm
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watching Mount Paramount Mountain uh commercial wherethey're like all the characters are together where
they shouldn't be because half of themare animated. Uh, but Captain Picard
kicks card. I mean, Imean it's funny, but that is the
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weirdest, Like probo campaign for Preparamountever. Uh but yeah, no,
but but again they I like howthe very end they have the animated uh
strange world crew in the lower deckstyle, and also we have the short
trek. We have the very shorttreks or whatever they call them for the
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animated and that one was even funnierand we kind of were like, oh,
you could do even more cross andthey did that with like Neelix and
Quark and like the Holo Deck withinthe Holo Deck within the Holi Deck,
and we were like, wow,this is we called it, guys,
we called it. Yeah, andit would be I mean we've said as
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much back then, but the sameis try now you know, uh knockoln
Wood. No main TG actor hasdeparted yet, but I mean, I
don't mean to say it this way, but kind of taken and so and
again like don't do it just todo it. But like in Fantasy World,
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I think we still I mean,this is almost sort of like borderline
AI. It's not, but sofar as contracts and union stuff, but
like taking the clips from tas ofthe voice, you can make an episode
with the TG right cass, youknow, And we talked about that a
little bit. I mean, youknow, so it took all the raw
audio from seven years of I meanyou could pay the estates and the pace
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of course, yeah, but don'tjust steal them. But yeah, yeah,
we're probably not that far off fromthat becoming a thing where somebody's voice
becomes forever. And to some extentthat's kind of sad because you know,
I think of like Avatar Last Airbender, where like Uncle Iro the actor who
did him past and they had aseries of episodes where he didn't talk and
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they built it into the story andthen when he talked again, it was
a new voice actor and that continuedthe role. But you know, but
yeah, but AI would would kindof change that mantra. Interesting way to
go about doing that, Like like, I guess it makes sense if they
don't have it, but I justjust to just not acknowledge it or whatever.
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This is weird. It's just weird. Well, and I mean not
to go down this rabbit hole,but I was recently watching in a US,
you know, Sunday Morning if you'refamiliar with that magazine show, But
they did a piece on Randy Traviswho had a stroke, and they were
long story short, doing AI newsong with him now, I mean he
can't obviously do anything, but it'ssort of with his permission and his family's
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permission of using his old stuff,using a current singer to I guess do
levels and then adding to then careerbasically an AI version. But I mean,
if the guy's getting permission, youjust can't post stroke. But anyway,
so that's like with permission and everything, you know, dots i's and
cross t's presumably, but like what'sthe next step, and so it's like
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m M anyway, Well, thenext step is we predicted John Delancy came
back, because that's what everybody needs. I think Q should be in every
episode, but we don't realize it. He's just he's a he's more to
another character in the back, Likewe just see him at the back,
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like waving and no one sees him. This is the end of the credits.
It's like they show where this iswhat I'm trying to remember his clues
about. So this is pre bluesclues, like where's c gout? Car
is over there? So I don'tsee him? Is he over here?
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No, he's freaking over there.We just de aged the show. Spin
off Que's clues. That's awesome fun. Ah, yes, q Q's clues.
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I mean he did come back,not quite in the funniest way,
but I listen to what was havingfun with the idea of when he came
back. Pretty it's serious and talkingI'm dying, I'm dying. Our ours
was a little more we skewed downto like what preschool era of, like
find him in the background. That'sfun. Kids will like that. Now.
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I mean he has cameos on lowerdecks a few times. That's true,
very little, but a little bit. Yeah yeah, what were you
saying, Daniel, just that theywent in the very opposite dooy Yeah,
yeah they did, they did.But that's okay. Now, I think
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I think for all of its rockinessin the beginning, like we've mentioned lower
decks, it it's something new,it is something different. It's it's being
such a referential show but also reallybeing animated. I don't think you could
pull off a self referential, referentialshow as much that is not animated,
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because it's so much easier to belike, oh, yeah, well the
actors still live. Just bring themin and do the voice and boom boom
boom, and you can animate youknow, we were choking in episode about
like, uh, you know,oh, how could they do the holodeck
or the danger Room as we calledit, because everything was very X men
like. But yeah, I meanthe fact that, I mean, we
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know how you feel about holidays,Daniel, but you know they could animate
it and do almost anything, andthey did that. Like I love the
episode where they're testing and and theyand Boiler goes back to save the boorg
babies, like over and over andover, and like that's that's really fun.
Like yeah, if you think aboutit, in the Wesley episodes where
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he's testing, he's sitting at thatlike giant computer console, it's like really
boring. It's like, no,no, this should be on the Holiday
deck custom, you know, customall the way. Uh yeah, yeah,
I was just thinking of that becausethat episode of Lower Decks of course
has an ultimate Tas reference because ithas that oh even more sillient. Yeah,
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the green ones that splits into threeI can't remember their name, but
yeahl we are anyway. Yeah,yeah, and it's interesting to think about.
Now, you know, this isif people want to do it,
blah blah blah blah. But obviouslywe're die hard ten Geers. But I
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mean, if you're going to arguethat Prodigy is a voyager continuation, which
it's just genuine jocote. There areother people available. But if you're gonna
argue that, I mean d Snine. You know, again, I'm
not a Star Wars person, butlike I know, modern Star Wars animated,
uh, including CG. I don'tknow if when you say animated,
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but I mean Dea Stein would bepretty cool. I mean, you know,
I know some people are no longeraround, but I mean you just
don't include those characters, or youdo something or you recast, which is
always controversial, but you know thatwould certainly be the main thing would be
can you get every Brooks back?Because that's answer is no, can you
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get back a little? I thinkis the is the is the question?
Because I mean, or he comesback from the profits and sounds different guys.
It's true you can just have serRock be Cisco. Oh yeah,
that's the thing too. And Ilove Esday's nine, but These Pays nine
is complete, like it's done.It did kind of wrap up really and
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it's like, yeah, it's fineto just like visit some of those characters
again. But like that that thatgroup is a unit, that that storyline,
like all of that sort of stuffis just sort of sort of done.
And I would be happier if theyjust left it alone, you know
what I mean, like not tryto force. We have little visits like
in lower Decks, but it's notlike we're trying to redo it. Yeah.
Yeah, that's totally fun. Youknow, just wanted the story of
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Bajor to be complete, and youfeel like it has, and so Daniel's
happy. I think I just,you know, realistically, I don't think
we're ever gonna get every back again. But I also kind of feel like
maybe we shouldn't. I just Ijust it's fine. I think you're right.
I think just just just let itbe. Bring back Derek Andrew Robinson.
I'm sure we'd love to come back, you know, make make a
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whole movie about him or something.That's fine, but having to go to
Cardassian do Cardassian things, just probablythe Basher and Garrett comedy Buddy Hour that
would be exactly free. Alexander comeback. I think he would well,
like I wonder, and it's hardto imagine this because we're sort of stuck
in the time, but thinking aboutthe twenty first century shows now, of
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course many are still running. Iwouldn't argue anything for Precard but Discovery,
I mean, give it ten years. So one pitched to Discovery Animated series.
I mean I can see it,sure, not having anybody watch recently,
but I'm sure. But I'm surethere's plenty of mine. I mean,
you know they did this, this, and this, well they did,
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Philip, it's called the season thatyou didn't watch, but I don't
without seeing it, at least readingit. I don't know if anyone would
argue that that story was landed.I mean obviously because I didn't know,
and it was rushed because I didn'thave a choice, which you know,
nothing against them. So did anybodydie? Maybe we shouldn't answer that question.
(36:04):
I don't know anything any any spoilersor anything like that. So okay,
I have no idea what like statethe universe is and that they left
it. So well, we'll discoverthe Academy tune in. Yeah, that's
true, that's true. Uh,well, we did make another prediction which
didn't end up in Lower Decks,but it was more in Discovery about combadges.
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No. I actually, you know, when they could for they could
have to they don't have to havelife belts. This is now, you
know, the twenty fourth century.It's the communicator, it's all, it's
all built into the combadge. Justdon't lose it, yeah, because you
know, it's like what it's likea hollow projector, it's a transporter.
It's the rank badge. It's everything, guys, everything. If you if
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you forget your combat, you arescrewed. Showing up to your duty would
change, you know some of theTG episodes that they're like he's in the
turbo lift and they get there andthere's just the com badge on the floor,
and then they're like, well,it can't go anywhere or access anything
or do anything because it's literally likeyou left your phone, Like you left
everything in the transporter? People naked, did I? Oh did I?
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Yeah? Keys, wallet, combatge, I'm good pockets. So it's like
there's only one thing it could be. So, oh that's funny. You're
walking out the door, do youremember your combadge right here? Sorry?
Thanks? Thanks? Do you thinkthe combadges are smart enough to tell you
that you're leaving them behind? You'rethinking in twenty fourth century terms, you
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don't walk out doors, you stillbe enough to wherever you want to be.
So if you are like I needto get the bridge. Oh oh,
I don't even have my combadge on. Let me put that on.
Yeah, I know it's tough.I don't it's just like I shouldn't say
I don't know because I have notwatched those two seasons of Discovery, But
I bet there's no ever any explanationfor like how it knows where you want
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to go and like where, likehow does that tell? How does the
transporter work? Like you just thinkreal hard, Like I wish it was
so true. I don't remember themsaying like bridge before they tap, like
it's just it's also a tricorder likeit's it is it does like it's like
it does a lot it I mean, I think the biggest issue with the
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self beaming I kind of get itfor plot, but really the turble lift
was there for plot more because wehave a lot of conversations in the turbolift,
like that's nobody talks anymore. Lookup from your combadge, engaged with
the world around you. Because becauseI think literally we saw their turblelifts go
through crazy null space in the middleof I wouldn't want to write on it
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either. So because I think theone of the more memorable episodes of this
past season of Discovery. Again thisis not personal, but is the not
twisted but anyway where they're going throughthe different times of the Discovery. But
like the reason that Michael and thenew guy whose name is Scapesy for a
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second from Battlestar Galactica is because they'reliterally beaming from the bridge to the ready
room instead of walking, and likethat's how they get like not caught in
the temporal bug or whatever it is. And so but it's like one of
those like yes, they have tolike literally beam to a room that's next
door instead of just walking. It'slike, come on, guys, this
is now what's turning into Wally andwhere nobody actually uses their legs, Like
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everyone stays in their quarters. Everythingis connected through multiple screens and com badges
and they just hit a button andthey don't have to go to the bridge.
They just uh, there's just ascreen on every chair and they're teleconferencing
into the bridge and yeah, noit yeah, it's a little too far.
Well, I think, you know, as we're round and third one
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of the cool things now is againback in twenty eighteen when we were recording
this, Uh, you know,we've gotten so many toys. We've gotten,
uh one of those Nerf guns theyhave, like the Phaser rifle and
a little hand phaser. I neverwould have thought we would have gotten that,
even though they're a little borgified.We've gotten a lot of the Eagle
(40:17):
Moss ships. I got my Bixilcerritos here. I think you were showing
Badgie a moment ago, Philip asHe's, uh, We're oh, there
go ring ships and all of that. But I still feel, you know
that if they had just done anEagle Moss type of ad in the nineties
(40:40):
style, they just they would havesold better. Loved the little commercial bits
starting pull finefloring bull Born seven.While exploring the planet, You're the neutral
Z and the Enterprise n Wrap comesunder this swat the kind of final from
a rough starting clapp tires back,which which are deplcted by the Rumulan shields,
(41:01):
so only the Enterprise appears part waitpoton torpedoes, I'm come. The
Romulan Warbird activates it's cloaking device,and who's gone under Ringful's Power Enterprise when
who was out of Wall but beforeengaging Mo'll drive start direct but next generation
New Action accessories from Playmates that iswild Shu on an adventure and it doesn't
(41:22):
let y like thirty seconds. Ialso love how it feels more intense because
there are no pronouns like meaning it'sit's not saying like the Enterprise leaves or
they attack the ship, you know, it's like no, it's like the
(41:43):
Enterprise attacks the Romlin Warbird using aClass two disruptor and then goes to Impulse
and then goes to this like everythingis spelled out because that's what they're selling.
They're selling the fact that it makesthe sound and attacks that ship.
But it's just people don't talk likethat. People don't, you know,
use the full name of things everysingle part of a sentence. And it's
(42:05):
hilarious. I mean, I lovethat, like it is just reading stage
directions because it's like when I alsofeel read it does well, but when
I listen to it, it's likeone part of me is like, oh,
they're going to say something wrong,but they're not. Everything they say
is correct. But it's just likewe go to Impulse press button. Then
we go to warp drive press button. Like I was like, the four
(42:28):
buttons. They have to make surethey press photons phasers, right button and
make right sound. They were fillingout the form, and you know,
they were filling out the description ofexactly what happens in the commercial. But
somebody decided to read that out thatwas part of the commercial. I thought
that was a script. I justrealized that they just hold it, make
(42:50):
the noise. It speaks for itself. I'm not going to read the whole
thing. Okay, well you're justgonna read it every everything. You know.
I probably was this kid, youknow, who was like, I'm
gonna you is my type two phasernot the pattern enhancers to get warf out
of here. It's like, no, you'd think no kid would talk to
that. No, we were thosekids. We did talk like that when
we played with our playmates action figures. Uh yeah, no, I think,
(43:15):
man, the promulant Warbard has violatedthe neutral zone. The Enterprise files
contact Starflee Command to file a violation. You're like, can't press that button,
Hailey frequencies open Captain. Yeah,it's like or or there. Accidentally,
(43:36):
there's a certain batch of enterprises thataccidentally make the cloak sounded like relive
the Pegass encounter with the enerprise.You know. It's like they said,
like, okay, well we can'treprogram ten thousand ships. What do we
do? Uh? Put a stickeron the box that says Vegas Special Edition
Edition, charge five extra dollars spam. It comes with a a concerned Riker
(44:02):
figure, like a little little insertwindow they just added. And he's just
like, oh, I don't know. If I want to tell Captain my
secret, you can. And theyjust remodeled the Picard figure as Admiral Pressman.
You just got to put the admiraluniform over it. But it's the
same. People are like, wait, that's just percard and amirals use the
worm. Well, no, he'snot admiral. It's gotta be pressman.
(44:23):
Oh man. Uh yeah, no, I think it's just it's just and
now I'm just picturing like I'm reportingyou to the Admiralty. I should have
done this a long time ago.I'm wrestling with like wrestling with your conscience.
Commander Riker wrestles with his conscience.Deanna Troy helps him. Sometimes you
(44:43):
go to the hot no, no, Enterprise and X one Soul separately.
Yeah, you have to watch.Uh no, I'm just picturing, like,
you know, do you want tobe, you know, for Eagle
Moss, Like do you want tobe like an admiral of Starfleet and wish
you had a little miniature version ofall yours ships lined up on your desk?
Well now you can. It's introducing. That's that's fun. I mean,
(45:05):
I mean money, but like youdon't these days. You just do
a YouTube video. You don't haveto actually make a commercial commercial, right
right, But I'm surprised they don't. I'm boxing videos, yeah, Like
I know nothing about Eagle Moss orMaster Replicas or fun Home or whatever the
heck. The new one's going tobe this fall, but like it is
sort of like serious collectors. I'mlike, dude, you can have fun,
(45:28):
Like you don't have to. Imean, we're spending two hundred dollars,
you know, you might as welljust have fun with it, you
know. So I'm surprised they don'tdo like those commercials of Like that's probably
because if you touch these models toomuch, let's fall apart. But at
least you really feel at least,you know, a kid you know,
gets a hold of his Currito's shipand then kind of wants to recreate the
(45:51):
intro, so all the wacky things. It's just like in the fridge in
the garden, you know, andit's just it's basically like a live action
ish version of the intro where allthe crazy stuff's happening, and then it
like flies around the corner. There'slike the USS flag and g I Joe.
It just turns around. It's likenope, nope, I'm not gonna
(46:13):
deal with that six foot monstrosity.That'd be hilarious. So you're saying that
that model didn't come with the withthe squid thing. I didn't see someone
I think who three D printed awarp chewing squid thing and that they would
fit onto their their model. Butunfortunately it's not an accessory, although we
(46:37):
knew we do know. If itwas, it would be in translucent plastic,
one color, the same color ofall the other accessories that the Cerritos
came in. That's how you doit. They're all purple. We don't
know why, but we know why. Well, yeah, it's like,
well it's purple because the delithum crystalis purple. So all of Jordi's devices
(47:00):
are purple and the data orange.Like as a kid, I know it's
going off like everything could have beengray and it would have been made been
one hundred percent better like tricorder gray, phaser gray. I mean they're all
gray. I mean even if stuffit isn't pad gray, but it's like,
no, it's all green shade onehundred percent gray gray. That expensive
(47:22):
and colors aren't. I don't knowwhat the problem is here, It's just
I think it also makes it easierto tell like where your stuff is because
you could see it in your bagof you know, I know, not
to eat accessories that's my You canpaint them if you really really want it.
You can just paint the things oldthan that kind of nerd. All
(47:43):
right, Well, yeah, itwas a lot of fun, just kind
of remembering some say shades of Gray, I don't our old Earl gray episode
and those fun times we didn't evenknow how to podcast. Who knew,
you know, just maybe press recordand hope for the best. But yeah,
(48:06):
but it has been fun, justkind of as we were talking about
wishes in this era that where wedidn't have as much to listen to or
to watch, and now we're livingin that that star Trek high life,
and who knows, maybe we're headinginto another dry spell with a little bit
less on the screen. Yeah,as we're wrapping up two shows, three
(48:29):
shows, but Cards gone, Discovery'sgone, and Lower Decks has one more
season and probably always question Mark,probably these question Mark Strange New Worlds is
still going strong as far as Ireally don't worry about per Se. I
don't, Yeah, I don't.And then Academy is starting, so we're
going from what like five to two. Yeah, so with section thirty one
(48:52):
floating, we're going to have anew corporate daddy soon one way or the
other. Yeah, that's my Imean, that's a whole other topic,
but that is my word, justbecause I don't understand how things work,
because like say, everything we've talkedabout is true, you know above Academy
in development section thirty one any daynow, but like if something goes pear
(49:13):
shaped in like a month, whathappens? Yeah, you know what I'm
saying. I mean, and everythingI've ever I don't know how independent these
like, you know, CBS Studiosis like, well, Wolves keep doing
what we're doing, and hope someonepicks us up or is it like money
stick it turned off? Well,yeah, everything I've ever read about or
seen about a merger usually they're like, oh, you were doing that before
(49:34):
we came. Yeah, no,we're not doing that anymore. This is
what we want to do. Andit's like, so then why do anything?
But who knows? Precarious world ofHollywood. All right, Well,
Daniel, if someone wanted to talkto you about your special Lower Decks audiobook
series, where would they they findyou? They could find me all over
(49:54):
the internet at one of Dan that'sthe number one, not the word.
And Philip, if someone wanted totalk to you about your Eagle Moss ikea
display options that crossover event, wherewould they find you? They can find
me at the Eagle Moss Repair shopat Instagram c A P T S F
(50:16):
U f P. Well, youknow, we have another use for that
tiny, tiny hex key to fixyour cells and your shelf. And if
someone wanted to talk to me aboutnew Shades of Gray episode ideas, they
can find me at doctorSci fi dotcom d R S c I F I.
(50:37):
Well, I'm Darren Mozart, I'mPhilip Kilphiss, I'm danie Opoth stranded
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