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Welcome to the NED Party. I'mDarren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphus, I'm
Daniel Prue and this is City Alphathree. Hello everyone, and welcome to
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STADIOLFA three, a Star Trek podcasthere on the Nerd Party Network. I'm
your host Daniel, and joining meas always are my two good buddies,
Darren and Phillip. Guys, howease everything going? This week? Let's
see Star Trek. Nothing new cameout except for what we're going to talk
about this week. But is thereanything old going on? I know,
Philip, you've been doing some oldstuff. Yes, I finished my season
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one Star Trek The Next Generation rewatch. Yeah. I mean I'll say it's
like the show has legs, mightgo somewhere, I mean, Spock,
but what are you gonna do?But no, I really enjoy it.
And I mean I will always saythis for folks. I think you know
it has a bad rap. ButI think you know what twenty four episodes,
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twenty two I can't remember, butlike, yeah, of course there's
going to be a ratio of goodto bad. But that's the same with
every season, I don't. Imean, I think if you look at
that ratio Season one is not goingto be the worst ratio of all the
seasons, I would argue so.But yeah, so it was good,
and I think just one or twothings because it's you know, season one's
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It's own podcast episode. I feelbad for y'all because, like, it's
not Denise's fault, and when youwatch all of season one, you're like,
yeah, they gave her nothing,nothing like the He Has One episode.
Cast was kind of too big tostart on, which you know,
but like there's no Yar episode,there's no yard moments. I mean,
Jordie's taking command, Wharf's going onaway team, you know, but like
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zero, they gave her zero,and so I do feel bad for her.
So don't worry, she'll come backas several characters later on. And
oh we worry, we worry,Daniel. Yeah, for me, we've
been going through Roland Emericks directed workson House Lights, and so we just
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did Stargate, which is one ofmy favorite films. But bringing it back
to Trek, I learned that myco host Tristian Riddell actually has not watched
any of SG one. When hewas young, his family tried to watch
the pilot, and yeah, I'mnot surprised that they kind of got turned
off from the series because it islike a heavy PG thirteen, Like it's
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I don't know why they put somestuff in it that really didn't need to
be there. But anyway, hehas shown his interest in dabbling into the
series, and so I concocted afifth D sixty ish episode kind of best
of main plot points for like thefirst eight episode for the first eight seasons,
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kind of said hey, you kindof need to watch this one.
This one, you know, it'slike pretty much watch all the season finales
and season premieres, like that'll coverthe majority of the cool new stuff.
And anyway, bringing it back toTrek though, is as I was going
through it, because Tristan is abig star Trek fan, I was like,
oh, and highlighting, well,this one has you know, like
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I think we started with arm andSherman in like a season one episode five,
and then we had you know youhave and all that. To say,
it was fun pointing out all thedifferent Trek actors. You have Marina
Syrtis, you have John Delancy.You know, there was a lot of
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Trek that ended up on Stargate becauseStargate is also a very Trek is show.
It's early two thousands. It's ithas a lot of you know,
I would say like, this iskind of like this episode of Star Trek,
but with different people, you know, And anyway, it was it
was a lot of fun. Therewas like the clip episode and I'm like,
this is a clip show like Shadesof Gray, but you might actually
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want to watch it because you havewatched a lot of this season because you've
been picking and choosing, so it'sgonna kind of fill in some gaps if
you if you do so. Inever thought that a clip show could be
a benefit, but if you're justskimming, it actually is a good way
of kind of catching up to towhere we've been. So that was that
was fun to prepare that list.So you say the the pilot is like
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the Older and like, what wasthat. I can't remember what the movie
was rated. The movie I remembersaying in theaters at the time, Yeah,
I've problem and no it wasn't rif anything. It was PG.
Thirteen. I remember being a littlescared, as like a little kid.
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But I don't know. They justI think because remember Stargate was on cable,
so they're okay. PG. Thirteenfor the movie. Yeah, they
just it's not much, but theyhave a couple scenes in the pilot Children
of the Gods where it's like notfamily appropriate, and so that that was
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enough to turn it off back inback in the day, which I totally
get. But I'm looking forward toit. I hopefully he enjoys my list.
But it's fun, you know,just like with that one five or
any other sci Fi that's kind ofthis monolithic series, you know, getting
to experience it through fresh eyes ofsomeone of our generation is rare that someone
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you know that like sci Fi hasmissed a complete entire chapter and series.
So it should be it should befun. So when are you going to
do the primer for the other threelive action shows? Camera? How many?
How many targets there's been? Therewere three, there was Atlantis and
then Universe. Well, I meanUniverse is only two seasons and Atlantis was
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like five or six. I thinkmaybe a little more. I haven't even
watched all of Atlantis. I didn'treally get into it as much, but
I think first step would be primerfor the last two seasons or three seasons
really of eight, nine, andten. Those are the Cameron Mitchell.
You know where it goes, veryor Ben Bowarden, I guess I should
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say where it The main cast islike fifty percent Farscape people, so but
yeah, it's it's still I loveStargate. I think it's a great show.
If you like TNG, you'll prettymuch like Stargate. It's very very
similar in ways. But he probablyenjoyed My My favorite part of the list
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was this is about out maybe sevenor eight episodes where I don't even put
because I put like little tidbits onhim, like, oh hey, this
has so and so, and likeI also put the episode description, but
I put like my kind of twosecond notes. But there's eight or so
episodes where I didn't put any notes. I just put banger of an episode.
Don't miss this if you watch anythingelse but this. They watched this,
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So those ones are highly recommended.Well, there's start, there's a
starget for you. You know what. I did get a little bit of
Trek injected into my eye vans becauseI've mentioned them before. But Red Letter
Media big big guys on YouTube,really funny stuff. But it's definitely adult
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humor, so only go there ifyou're of age. But anyways, they
one of the guys that runs thatis very very big into Star Trek and
because they're very successful, he's allowedhim to sort of buy a bunch of
props from Star Trek and they liketo restore them and then keep them in
displays and stuff like Well, hepurchased the mold for the Salt Monster,
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the Salt Vampire Monster from ts Uhand they sort of made their own Salt
Monster mask and it was kind ofcool just to see it and stuff like
that because I guess it had hadtransferred to a private collector, you know,
after the original series had aired,and that he had held onto it
for a long time, you know, until he died and it was in
state sale, so they got theywere able to get a hold of it,
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and that was fun. It wasit was fun to see to see
that. But that's the only StarTrek that's been in my veins other than
this week's topic that my friends iscalled a segue, and we're gonna be
talking about Star Trek Prodigy season twoepisodes one through three called Into the Breach
Part one and two and Who Savesthe Saviors? See what they did there,
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that's a that's a who watches theWatchers thing there. Anyways, so
let's talk about it. Uh So, I just watched this yesterday. I
think we all just sort of kindof watch it real recently, so we'll
just do it. We're looking generalover you real quick about what did you
think of these three episodes the beginningof season two? And I we'll start
with you, Philip. What areyour impressions so far? Well, I
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mean good and done. Now whenI feel bad that I didn't watch it
like July first when it dropped,but I was like, you know,
I have a life, but Ialso want to support Star Trek, so
I'm like everyone just played on Netflixover and over because I want to start
Trek Prodigy and start Trek to Survive. But anyway, so I finally got
around to the first episode, andthen when you talked about it, I
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was like, well, I mean, I think the first one's are two
partners, so let me at leastwatch that and then one more to get
the flavor. But long story short, not in a bad way, but
I was a little thrown off onwhere the characters were and how they got
split up initially, but then Iwas like stressed the f out in those
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last two episodes, like in agood way, I suppose, but like
there was so much twist of likewhat what you have? You know,
without getting too everything we'll get into, but I'm like, it is not
looking good for anyone by the endof episode three, and I'm like,
what the hell? This is akids show? But anyway, so that's
why I am. I'm enjoying it, but I'm like, heart palpitation's edge
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of seat so far. Yeah.Oh, I should also mention, just
since you've brought it up, spoilersdefinitely in the first three episodes here.
From here on we're gonna be talkingabout everything. So I'm sure a lot
of those listeners have watched the wholeseasons, as many people already have,
but we are only gonna be talkingabout the first three episodes. So yeah,
I know, I could definitely seewhat you're saying there, Philip.
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What about you, direkt you feelthe same way heart palpitations and all or
what? Yeah, doctor, Ican recommend there there is there's a holographic
doctor. No. I liked thedoctor showing up. I felt, you
know, Rob Pricardo and the writersnailed him his personality again where he's like
he's kind of a bit of ajerk. For like, the first ten
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seconds you meet him, you're like, oh, okay, okay, this
is okay, and then you're like, no, okay. He is kind
of filling at hologram Jane way voidbecause real Jane was there, but surpriably,
she's actually an admiral and actually hasduties and actually has things to do.
We we'll talk about we will,But I think, yeah, no,
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I like, you know, yeah, it's there's a lot going on
for our heroes, but that's justgood storytelling where things go well and then
things go bad, and then thingsgo well again and then things go bad.
Like that is how it goes.Although it is interesting because it it
is following that, you know,Saturday morning cartoon, weekday cartoon kind of
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vibe of like, oh, tunein next week to find out what happens.
But I'm like, but we don'thave to. It's all dropped at
the same time, So it's it'sit's kind of odd that it's constructed that
way when it doesn't need to beviewed that way. But I think they're
also taking a good advantage of thefact that I mean, yes, quote
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unquote, season one was twenty episodesinto massively spread apart chunks, but this
one is a full twenty right offthe bat, and so I think they
are pacing it well because at firstI was like, wait, wait,
wait, is this a ten episodeseason because there's a lot that we've just
unpacked and it's been three episodes,which is like a third of the season.
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I'm like, oh no, no, we got twenty. We're good.
We got plenty of time because we'rebringing on you know, was it
Delta Squad members that I'm like,we don't have for members? Oh yeah,
yeah, Novason. I'm like,we don't have time for new members.
We got five characters we got todo more with. But and then
Roc Tuck didn't even end up allthe shift. What's going on? Yeah,
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and we're yeah, have to googlewho's the voice of the Vulcanism?
Like do I need to know whothis is? Because is this like the
character? Now? Also, Imean not to that's like that's a drag
on Chikoti, a little bit ofI'm like, dude, okay, like
you gotta be smarter than that.These are obviously Starfleet prison Like it's so
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obvious that they are, like theyhave a trike order in the end,
and I'm like, dude, Ithink he was just playing dumb at that
point. I think he kind ofwas. Yeah, and and bird man,
Okay. I did like all ofJenkin POD's bird puns. They were
hilarious, like there's so many andproblems. Okay, so we're just gonna
jump right in since you brought upthe bird pun thing, and I was
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thinking, you know, in away, it's probably racist, right,
like like I can't just make birdjokes. Thought like, I'm not actually
a bird, I'm a totally differentspecies that happens to look like an earth.
Yeah. Did they get a guyname? I think they did.
They did interesting to see I We'regonna see bird guy in the future.
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But I'm gonna I'm gonna back itup. Okay, let's talk about We'll
just starting We'll talk about someone.I will say I was very annoyed in
the episode, like a lot forfirst of all, one thing I keep
encountering now is like the kid charactersshow up on the screen and I'm like
I want to push them out ofthe way and be like, what's actually
what's going? Like? Show goingon? I want to walk around the
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Voyager, Like I don't why Imight not seeing the bridge because the kids
can't see the bridge, but Iwant to see the bridge. Uh.
And like so it felt like Icomplained a little bit about in lower Decks
when uh, like there was aformula like it was it was always it
was always Mariner mad at her momand they always had issues. It was
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always this thing and then she gotand then she would learn a lesson and
whatever. Okay with with Prodigy seasonone felt like, oh, they're shoving
these relationships into some sort of acrew even if they don't fit, because
that's sort of like that's the theme, like the theme of Family's fine,
but like they like really want Dollto be captain and they really want rock
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Talk to be engineering. That's butlike the captain thing makes no sense.
Like he won't even read a book, and it's like, yeah, why
he needs to move past the Ihate school, but I want to be
the captain. I should just bethe captain. Like that's a maturity thing
and I get it. Like hehas some good lines where he's like,
remember we used to be on thebridge, like it was our own ship
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and we could do it at oneand I'm like, that's true, but
you also like got in major troublelike every week, Like do you not
remember that part of it that happenedas well? They stole it. It
wasn't their ship. That's not theirship. That's not how this works.
And Okay, so this is whatI was thinking that when that scene comes
up and he says I don't wantto read, I want to be on
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the bridge, and I'm like,Okay, he better not be right when
this scenario comes to an end.He better not be right about this,
because what are you trying to teachkids here? Like, oh, you
can just sort of just skip allyour responsibilities of learning and just go straight
to the top. No, no, no, well he shouldn't be You
mean, you can be like somesecond year slack off cadet that's suddenly given
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captain of the Enterprise. That'd becrazy. He was a genius. He
was a genius slackoff cadet, Sothat's why he cheated. So he definitely
deserved that seat. So I don'tknow what you're talking about anyways. I
was just slightly annoyed at the whole, like, uh, why does heat
I want a janeway to like givehim a lecture like, yeah, I
think it'll get there. I thinkit will if like I can't see them
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sticking him as now you get theEnterprise A or the the you know,
the Voyager A. I'm like,no, no, no, there's gonna
be a moment where he christoager as. Now, there'll be a moment where
he's over his head and he's likeand then he'll be I think I would
like to see him maybe partner mentorwith one of the other you know,
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top officers, like because I meanthey obviously he has a connection with Janeway,
but he can't always be working withJane Way. And so yeah,
I have a moment where it's like, well, yeah, I went through
you know the officers, like Iwent through twenty years of schooling to be
a commander on this giant ship.Like yeah, like that's what it takes.
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But I mean it's now I knowI was just this very kid,
that little kid that's even teenager.For sure, I get that, but
also like, you know, hegives them room to grow, and I
think you'll get there. Okay,So like for example, let's let's let's
just talk about the main characters,the characters that you know the kid characters,
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because like both both Jenkin Pog androck Talk are have moved forward a
little bit. Yeah, they're they'remotivating, slating, Yeah, they're they
like they're both trying and succeeding andthriving, especially rock Talk. Like,
I love the fact that she doesn'twant to go, she doesn't want to
be involved in this shigans rule breakingworse will get its Yeah, she's the
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harmony of the group. We allsee it, and they all you know,
they all have their own niche.I like that. I thought I
thought that was cool. I lookthat little carry over cured triples. Yeah,
yeah, whatever, that's so silly, okay, but they kind of
did it in a hand wave wayas she's running out the door, and
it's just like whatever, we getit. She's smart. Well, I
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think it was to me as asa star Trek Diehard nerd jarring. Not
in a bad way, but butit was a little jarring in that first
episode that you're talking about Daniel,because all the other characters are like Starfleet
is cool, and Dall is likethis is for nerds, and I'm like,
yeah, that's the show, buddy. But it's as if and I
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know this is you know, youtwo may may find this starring, but
it's like he's a Star Wars characterin Star Trek. I was kind of
thinking that when you just said that, Yeah, yeah, well and then
you have like Drink and Pog who'salso maturing. You know, he's it
is funny how like it is kindof weird when he's like he'll say the
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thing he's not supposed to say,but then kind of rephrase it, but
you still already said the thing you'renot supposed to say. But it kind
of works. He has kid tryingto a new town energy, Like okay,
okay, all the other kids atthe other school thought I was a
nerd, so this is reinvent Ican reinvent who I thought. I wasn't
a nerd. Now I'm gonna inventmyself as a nerd. But like we
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all know, he'll slip up andgo back to it and you know,
yeah, no, and yeah it'sand zero. I like, how is
little storyline and appearing with the doctoris really cool? Like that's very smart.
She's supposed to be old though,am I wrong about that? Do
I remember her being like hundreds ofyears old or something at something? Maybe
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I mean, she's they are definitelynot like a teenage or anything. I'm
sorry, right, but they're alsonaive because they haven't been in the world,
so they have that naivete of childhood. They were on that planet and
then got whisted up. And thenMurph is just Murph, Like Murph's the
constant of the Northern Star, likejust wanting to do what they want to
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do energy though, like oh,it is kind of character that, you
know, kill probably everyone given halfa chance. So yeah, and they
have the classic like oh no,the melty thing is going to drip and
then the people. But we'll see, they'll know we're here. Like that's
just it's so done. It's newto the kids. Everything is new to
the kids. Yeah, that's justpart of I will ask this guys.
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I was a little slightly confused,but maybe I was paying attention to the
last you know, thirty seconds ofseason one. They're not in the Academy.
They're in like the pre academy.Yeah it was. We wasn't like
they're like stewards of the State,which is kind of weird, like uniforms.
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Yeah, like like, yeah,it is weird. They have no
pimps it's not clear because she's like, well, what if you go on
this mission, then you'll definitely getinto start, you know, into the
Starfleet Academy. And it's like,well, what were they what have they
been doing? Then they Yeah,I don't remember the end of season one,
so I don't remember where they leftoff, or I think there has
been a time jump anyway, soit doesn't really even matter. I don't
think it's long, right because becauseshe's still on the way to the planets.
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Yeah, right, but with that, but her planet is really far
away when you don't take the protostarwhich we destroyed. Also confused me,
not I mean not saying, Ijust I needed to really get introduced to
it because I thought in the firstepisode, like you just see here for
like over subspace or whatever. Andthen in episode two she's in a starfleet
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runabout or something whatever with the Starfleetpilot. I'm like, wait, wait,
w is that? I thought shewas just by herself, and so
that threw me off for a second. So we don't need to know that
character's name, because yeah, butI feel like you need to rewatch at
least the last bit of season onebecause I don't I didn't remember the evil
girl, whatever her name was.Why do we know who this is?
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Like? Do we is she wasshe established beforehand because I don't know who
she is even here was the onewho was pretending to be an ensign and
then I was wearing the disguise unJanuaine ship. Actually yeah, okay,
that's right, that's right, I'msaying your name. I need to rewatch
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the last bit of season one.I I've forgotten much. But she also
time traveler with her storyline, whatis the Gwyn Gwyn story? With her
storyline? I remember almost nothing,like her father is now just a tinkerer,
and I remember the magic. Herfather's dead in the one that traveled
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back in her crime. But primetime, well, no, times all mucked
up. We can't say the currenttime, and that's true. Now we
don't know what's going on. Andat least the times are synced like the
whole analy I'm like, I'm like, that's nice, because otherwise that could
be really hard. But I dolove that we get more Diviner because I
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love uh John Noble's voice. He'sso good, and I'm just like,
oh yeah, more and more andmore. It was a fringe warehouse.
Nice, Yeah, fringe, He'sbeen in a lot of things. Yeah,
I did think it was like andI mean, I'm not complaining for
the rings. It was a nicecheat of like, how can we keep
the Season one cast or people whoclearly like died or something. I'm like,
time travel whatever versions, Okay,done, And we don't even know
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what the third versions are, becausepresumably everybody's going to have a third weird
alternate universe version, which is whatwe're going to see here in the upcoming
episodes. Presumably. I'm assuming Icould be wrong, but it'd be surprising
if they didn't go like, oh, now Dracote is captain of the Empire
or something, you know, whateverthey do. A quick question before we
get too nitty gritty. This isa broad question. Were you surprised that
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the titles were the same because there'sa little longer produce Star. I mean,
so it's like it's still the sameproduce Star open did check it because
it felt like it was faster,Like I felt like the Season one one
was more drawn out and more likeslowly building and this guitar, Yeah,
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it felt like, yeah, itfelt quicker, but I mean, again,
that's the intro, so Star Trekdoesn't. I mean, I know
Discoveries change Sayers and Lower Decks welllower Decks makes a tiny charge, but
all of them disco. Yeah.I don't know if you notice, but
we do have a card quota.Now we're going to get a Picard name
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drop every episode. So and itis like it's both cool and weird to
be in this timeline, which wherelower Mula. Yeah, it's a few
years I think after Lower Decks,but still it's it's weird to be in
this timeline. Yeah, so they'rethey're they're aware of what's going on with
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Rhynald List, but they're not.The episode fourteen is called Cracked Mirror,
So I think that's mirror. Ithink they could do it good. I'm
gonna go until they can't, though, because here's the thing. You always
have to have somebody like slap someonein a very uh let's just say suggestive
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aggressive way, right or cut themand like it's a kids show, you
can't do that sort of there's Imean, they blew up the pilot and
season in episode two you didn't seeit though you heard it. And then
and Gwyn is doing Marty McFly fadingin the photo in episode three, So
I mean she was like, Imean, I knew she wasn't gonna like,
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but like she was falling. I'mlike, okay. It is interesting
though, because with the time travel, like we are kind of seeing a
predestination where because that other girl cameback, it's basically going to cause the
civil war that she and she's nottrying to prevent them. She's trying to
make sure her side wins the civilwar. So I'm assuming is the xenophobic
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side. Is it clear to youwhy she was fading but not any of
the other characters were fading because shewas only because we didn't see the other
characters after that moment. I don'twell which other character because she's as a
result of that timeline, because asthe Evil Girl pointed out, she's there,
like there's her younger version. Gwendolinonly exists because I went back in
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time and loaned himself. But sotheoretically, like you're you're right, Daniel,
like rock Talk should disappear because rockTalk was never rescued from the mining,
none in it exist, but aspeople right, But as Philip says,
though, it's still I think timeis still rippling, like we haven't
seen exactly what it's doing, butI think it's a mix of yeah,
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like you're both right, but butPhilip is saying, you know, gwyn
Land literally didn't exist because of thetime changes, whereas the others existed,
they just weren't saved. But Janewaymade it clear right like when they did
their little it turns out only onecharacter has not read temper Mechanics, one
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one, which is great. That'sa great little running running bit. It
felt like the part with Smart Hulkwhere he's like, the past is the
past and your future is your future, and like what Okay, sure,
uh, you know, but that'sthe end. So but what's before we
really dive into that. Let's let'sgo back to the beginning. I want
to talk about the Voyager of itall and and dive into that because we
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do get to see some pretty majorsort of cannon things happening here. Right.
We get to see they mentioned thatthe Voyagers is a museum piece at
this point, a museum right,which we saw on lower decks. We
get a full on nerdy sort oflike checklist sheet of the features of the
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Voyager. A we know, welearn its class, it's capabilities, it's
it's complemented. Which is that namespecific because the class it's got to be
some sort of like producer. Yeah, yeah, presumably. I don't know.
Yeah, I'm not sure. Wehaven't seen anything else like that.
But it looks just like the Interpidclass, as weich is. We'll just
see. This is again we've talkedabout this. This is not a specific
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complaint about this show, but it'sa complaint about Star Trek in general.
When they when they do add numbersand letters and stuff at the end,
like when The Enterprise does it,it changes class and so therefore changes shape
and looks different. Well, here, they just wanted to make another voyager,
so they just made something that lookeda lot like the Interrepid class and
called it something else. That's nota huge deal. Not a big deal.
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I know, this is not aI mean just a Star Trek p
Yeah, it's it's obviously not anit's obviously not Intrepid. It's it's huge,
right. It's just named after HeadyLamar, which is half funny to
me because I just know her asan actress. But I think that's what
the zeitgeist knows her as I meanas an old time it is like thirties
forties, but she actually is alsoan inventor, which I think is less
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none about her and I think that'swhat. So did she invent like time
travel? No? She I knew, Yeah, I had it, Like
she's like like she's a legitimate Wellno, she's like an A list actress.
I'd be like, but interesting,what did she? But the science
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is not necessarily as much talked about. Yeah, yeah, gotcha, just
as quick aside on this specific shipnote, I was just reading in an
interview that somebody had with the showrunner, and they mentioned that the plan originally
was to have Janeway captain the Enterpriseat this point, which I guess Kate
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herself said she would rather have beenVoyager. So that's when they made the
next Voyager, which is kind ofan interesting thing. I wonder why she
Well maybe she has like a littlebit of ownership over that, but I
just thought that was interesting to havebecause we don't know who would be captaining
the Enterprise at that point, sowhy not dream Yeah? Yeah, and
I one part of me thought theship is too big because like when they
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were listing all the things, I'mlike that's too much. That's too much,
like what was it like thirty fiveHolida? Actually, I know I
was, like, I mean,considering the first Voyager was like bigger than
the Runabout, you know, Imean, it was bigger than that.
But you know what I'm talking about, so so highly Lamar did stuff in
frequency hopping spectrum, uh spectrum works. So yeah. So it's like radio
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frequencies and other frequencies. So itkind of fits with like a time Tabli
type of ship. And sure,yeah, no, I like, okay,
I thought it was one of thoselike you know, liv Ross classes
named after you know, do sir, you know, more of a not
a real person but a real personthat's making a TV show kind of thing.
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And it is. I don't Idon't argue with it, but it
does sound interesting to hear, like, oh, I'm Adamiral Janeway of you
know, the US's Voyager. Inyour mind, you like voyder a,
Like, I mean, there's noreason you just shouldn't call it the Voyager,
but it is like just like inyour bag, you're like, boy,
but cards like I am the Captainof the Enterprise d you know,
he doesn't like to add it tothe end. Well, he doesn't always
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say it like you know, itdepends on the situation. I think,
well, yes, came through atemporal alamaly. Of course you're gonna spell
it out like in the movies.I feel like he says the enterprise D
Maybe I'm making that up, butthey do. I think they say it
more like because they're talking about becausethe new ship. They're talking about the
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difference. Yeah, and I alsowanted to talk about because they mentioned they
name drop Jellico. I've seen itbefore. Yeah, animal Jelica because we've
seen him. I saw him inseason one because he was for some reason
upset about the rule breaking. He'salways upseessed ship. Well, I was
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just I was just confused how theygot a cloak on the thing, which
is it was really per se explainit other than saying that they shouldn't have
it, but they also do haveit, and so well, you know,
so is Jane Wie going rogue oris she just using her position?
Like it wasn't clear to me iflike this was sanctioned or if she was
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like I might do this just incase sort of a thing. Yeah,
I mean it was kind of skirtingthe line where she's like, this is
the mission, but I'm like,I'm losing support quickly, so I have
to do it really fast. Andbut yeah, it I did like how
I did like that way of thestory where she brings the kids into her
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confidence and then they are the onesthat actually do it, and yeah,
it's like not the right time,which creates more drama and all of that,
but I like that where it's Imean, this has happened with Catherine
before, where other members of hercrew have done things that that way,
she is not directly doing them andit's kind of shielding her a little bit,
and that kind of makes sense.So yeah, I think she's going
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to some reason. When they goto that ship in hidden shuttle Bay three,
there's five seats exactly suited for youknow, who knows why. It's
kind of a little on the nose. Also, by the way, Voyager
A has like twenty three holidays andlike fifty million labs, but only two
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shuttle bays. I mean, comeon, guys, I mean the Enterprise
D only had three shuttle bays.Well one took up half the ship.
Yeah, but also you can't hidea shuttle bay like you can't do they
did well, it was a Itwas a cargo bay that held shuttles is
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basically what it was. Like itopened on the side. Okay, so
carlo bays are just another name forshuttles. Are just really big, are
just really small shuttle bays, Imean the kind of Yeah, cargo bays
are just bigger shuttles. To makea cargo bas shuttle bay a shuttle literally,
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all you gotta do, what ifthere's cargo inside the shuttle? Like,
this is a cargo bay. No, this is an arboretum. I
put plants in here instant. It'slike how air Force one is only air
Force one that the president is onit or any airplane are in it?
So who do we think is inthe bubble? The bubble voice? I
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thought it was too but but thenagain it's yeah, we're getting all timey
wimy right now, which is weirdbecause obviously hasn't been sent. They did
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it kind of sound like cha Coat, but they just said Jane Way.
So I'm thinking, yeah, itcould be Janeway. It could be her.
I mean, I thought it wasdefinitely. I mean, my mind,
I don't I don't know. I'veonly seen three episodes in my mind
it was someone we know or friendly, right, somehow it's not an unknown
person. We just don't know whoit is yet or how they did it
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basically right, But yet yeah Idid. I did also, like in
that moment where they're like, wedon't know what that is, like is
it a ship? Is it aprobe? Is it? Like they're like
clean up the transmission, like thatis the trans Like it was like it's
very rare in modern trek where thingshappen and we don't understand it, like
usually we get it really quickly.It's some kind of but yeah, go
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ahead, Daniels, because going backto the plot just for a second,
I mean, he's one of thothings where I go handwave because if you
think about anything too much, itdoesn't make sense. But it just seemed
like Janeuay had all the equipment todo this checkote rescue, but starting that
was still thinking about it, andthey're halfway to the anomaly, like,
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well, we'll let you know whatwe decided when you get them, Like
you like, come on, guys, you think about this stuff before you
get there. But I guess maybeit was because the clock was ticking.
That's the only excuse I could havethe clock was ticking about, you know,
sinking up the time. So we'rejust going to do it on the
fly and we'll make the decision whenwe get there, because there's no other
way to do this. But there'sno clock for the for the Voyager crew,
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right, there's no They just couldn'tdo anything before this point, but
they could do anything afterwards, andwe're fine, Right, that's the idea,
But I think they also want checkotbe they're just waiting there forever.
Well again, I'm also a littleconfused because it did seem like a predestination
paradox where they were meant to bethere and help them escape, but then
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because that gun was there, sothen it's like no, but they weren't
meant to be there because that wasa change. So we all knew it
wasn't gonna go well, Like they'relike, yeah, it's about to happen.
I'm like, yeah, okay,we've watched it off Star Trek to
know that's not gonna happen. ButI do think that is why I enjoy
Prodigy, because it is not straightforwardbecause I you know, watching episode three,
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I guess is what this was Episodethree and then like once they get
there and they're like once you seethey're gonna be in prison with Chad,
like predestination apparently or causality. They'rethere to help them and we all know
it. And so that happens,you're like yeah, yeah, yeah,
And then that happens, You're like, oh, wait, what we've messed
At the time. I did likethe name drops where they're like this happened
before, like the Bell riots andthe and the uh the cock Cochrane flight.
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I'm like, yes, those aretwo great examples. Well yeah,
because that's ultimately that's what's gonna happen, right, Like they're they're sort of
playing with those tropes now, likewe you know, we're thinking when they
get trapped with they were like,oh, predestination, that's what this is.
It's still going to be that.It's just going to there's going to
be a longer set up, right, they have to find another way to
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go back, even to go backagain stop themselves. They're gone the future
two, not back to the futureone exactly. Exactly Back to the future
is bullshit because I can I canstill figure like, oh, you know,
they somehow I was watching episode three, which again and he did not
turn out how I thought, soit was it was a surprise, but
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like you still get on the ProtoStar and everyone leaves, and then they
somehow have an adventure in between,and then after that they then send the
Protoces Star to I forget the nameof the planet even though they said it
five times and it still forgotten totalk or something going, but yeah,
that's not And then I don't knowif you want to talk to the gwinn
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stuff yet, but that one waslike, I mean the bat guy won.
That was okay, oh the girl, the girl it's temporarily well yeah,
but I mean I did and Ihad to laugh. And again it's
a trope like anytime, because I'mtrying to think, like what's the Earth
equivalent, and I'm sure there is, but any it's like the Balkans,
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it's the indor it's anytime. It'salways like, oh, well then there's
the ancient right of bla blah,but you have now every time, but
every reason that law is still onthe books. I don't know why,
but sure so and and and refreshmy memory because again this is like the
fuzziest part for me. But thethe Civil War that she's trying to prevent
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is decades away, right, well, it takes place, I mean it
is fifty two years in the future, but that's just the aftermath, so
we don't know when the war startsat least yet. But for some reason,
I was like, oh, she'sgot time, like even if she
fails right this second, Yeah,yeah, arguably. Yeah. I also
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I also love the fact and Ijust I mean, this made me laugh
out loud. No, I don'tknow how else you do this. But
she beams down to the planet andshe starts talking to three random people on
the street. She's like, ah, and Gwynn, I will save you
from your whatever, the woes ofthe Civil War of coming. And I'm
like, people are gonna think you'recrazy. Nobody knows who you are.
This is why we do dutfline missionsfor like a year before. We don't
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just beam down. I mean,like and the think that, and like
I one thing is you have toremember I have to remember like when she
is a teenager too, even thoughshe's probably the most mature of the group.
But the fact like, oh yeah, no, I read whatever Picard's
first contact back and forth fifteen times, so like, does it say,
beam into the middle of a mall, like I would wait till like the
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White House or you know where theirequivalent. You know, that's where you
beamed to broadcast on all screens,you know what I mean? Like somebody,
I think one of the best,uh first contacts we've seen is the
one they had in Change the Worldswhere like he eventually like the Enterprise down.
It's like, here's my big stickand you lose. But I really
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like that that. I need towatch that again. That was That was
a fun one because I also feltlike, and again, she's a kid,
I get that, but like sheshe gave her speech to the government
people whatever, the weird people whocover their eyes. I feel like I'm
playing Final Fantasy something I know.And she's like and then like she gets
thrown a loop when a bad girlshows up, and then she's like,
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I got nothing, I got nothing. I have the speech and that.
Yeah, but okay, so hermagic metal stick can only touch her the
Dad's magic what was you know?It was showing that it's the same like
when it goes into a nutral state, the heirloom it makes a shape,
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and her Dad's made the exact sameshape. So it's kind of showing that
this is the same thing, buteverybody has one. Yes, no,
right, But if let's say badgirls heirloom made its resting state, it
would be a different shape than hers, because it's a different there's only one.
But you're just saying everyone has adifferent shape. No, you can,
but it's it's think of it aslike I don't like all these rules.
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Yeah no, I mean, andyou can make as many as you
want, like, okay, that'scrazy, but Daniel, there's only one
wand that is meant for you.And so think of it as like a
chooses the person. Yeah, Likethe heirloom has a signature, and it
basically it showed that, oh youare my father because you gave me this,
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and this is the exact same youknow, surely there is counterfeit metal
thing. Oh jeez, make itis so difficult that they're made of the
same course. Now if the samecourse hit each other, what happened,
I just like, I guess it'sjust like it's fine, I get it,
and I understand there was a shortcutfor her father to accept her,
so we don't actually have to likedo psychic paper, you know, right,
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whatever, exactly whatever it is,that's fine. When don't they use
it for combat and stuff? I'mjust like, I don't know what's going
on, man, like what youjust as you want? Yeah, I
did think that was cool, well, because I think they they didn't have
they lost theirs. But then whenthey went to the camp, the cave
or whatever you want to call itof magic hairlooms where all the wands are
created. But that, but justthought it was weird. It's like that,
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why did you leave yours up topwhen you literally have an unlimited supply
down here? Why? I hadto figure it out? Okay, Yeah,
wasn't her broken too, Like didn'ther break last season? Or am
I misremembering something? Yeah, Idon't think it all right? If it
did, it was healed. Itwas fa wizard, did it? So?
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Yeah, well her dad's a wizard. Her dad's a clock wizard or
something. I'm not I'm not surewhat it is. But I did think
that was a cool fight scene againkids show. But I didn't think that
was a cool fight scene of again. You can imagine anything, though.
I was waiting for them to dosomething more creative than just you know,
sticks, because I mean, that'sall they it's like, ah, you
can create anything with ailimen like stickstick stick, pip, pip pip,
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pipe, pike And I was like, okay, I have fifty pikes I've
made. I was like, okay, you can do different shape people.
I mean shield, so shield orpike, those your choices. But yeah,
so she's a green lantern. Yeah, basically basically that's fine. That's
fine. Uh, let's see whatelse we could talk about Chacota's first officer,
do you guys want to Let's talkabout Koto though, because that bird
(44:28):
brain. But we do get tosee Chacote for the first time since uh
endgame, and he's you know,he's a little grayer, but he's a
captain and we did see him obviouslya little bit. It's some flashbacks in
season one, but still yeah,but he actually interacts with our characters.
He's still the same old chummy Chacote. I know you guys happen to see
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you happy to see some more ofhim, like as an actual character of
the season or what. Yeah,I mean, it'll be interesting because it's
you know, I think it's safeto say not the perhaps most dynamic character
in Voyager, and so you know, this is a redemption opportunity. So
we'll see if they do it.Obviously, there's only so much, you
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know, we've seen so far,so we'll see. Yeah, I mean,
I hope they do more with him. Is he just captain of the
Protostar? Because if that's the case, he just has the one dude,
right, it's just him and birdguy. I'm trying to I'm trying to
remember what. I feel like hehad a bigger crew. I mean,
like the Protostar is not big,but it's more than people, you know,
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a dozen people, yea, theyall get killed kitchen I don't remember.
Yeah, okay, well what else? What else? There's a couple
of other things. I'm sure wecan touch on. Well, we have
new character. Her name I hadto look at Magel because Majel, but
that's the Vulcan so oh okay,that's her name. Okay, I like
her. Maje l there, youknow, some cute way of saying it,
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but it's Majel. Yeah, thoughI don't know, I mean,
I get why, but like,does Nova Squadron always have to be you
know, the rich the rich school? You know what I'm saying. It
just be cool, you know,I was going to say, just because
that they are obviously you know thatour characters have to have a foil,
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but also the fact that like thefirst officer, Jamie's first officer, David,
when he calls them civilians, Bridgeyou, technically they are well in
high school. Well I did lookat somewhere on Wikipedia showed that they were
warrant officers, So like a noncommissioned I guess O'Brien type of thing.
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Is that that Now it's a pettyofficer, it's different, Yeah, I
mean, without getting in it's yeah, it's a type of officer that's not
a commissioned officer. Who's in chargethese kids? Or if they're in the
same room, is that these kids? Or Wesley who's in charge? Now
what rank is sainbow shirt West whohe was an acting that's commissioned officer?
All right, all right, okay, sorry, kids, you are the
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bottom of the barrel. I don'tthink there's anything less than that. The
guy at the bottom of Voyager,he's the only people they can tell it
to do. But yeah, Iam a What do you guys think is
the mystery of Janeway, Because atleast from the kids perspective, because the
kid's perspectives is, oh, wewere asked to common voyager a and then
assigned to be lower decks. Butit was like, well then why ask
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us? Did you really need us? Or because I mean, and then
Janeway is blowing them off. NowI get like we can say like oh,
because look, she's a real captainor admiral with duties. But I
mean, like I think we're allwaiting for the penny to drop of,
Like Janeway does have a mission forthe kids, because I thought it was
gonna be like, oh, sheknew they would figure it out, or
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but it's like why did it iskind of strange. Yeah, it's kind
of like why did you bring themhere? Blowing them off like a Legit?
Really don't think is she. Ithink Doll got impatient and it was
like, yeah, she can't holdyour hand the whole time, dude,
like she's doing things. I thinkyou're right. I don't feel like once
she sat them down and spelled outthe mission, I'm like, Okay,
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she's not hiding anything, like theydiscovered it that's why. Well, yeah,
well it's a classified mission. Theyhave no right to know. They're
not entitled to that information. Shesaid, I need these kids because obviously
they have like like geographical knowledge.I would guess like they have like knowledge
of the situation and and like ofthe politics and all that sort of stuff.
That's what I'm thinking. She justhad them on as extras well,
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but it doesn't make it does makesense though, because they they know the
protostar, they know the planet involved. They like they are wrapped up in
all of this, you know,so why not have them on board rather
than a comms call away? Butspecial She didn't never sat them down and
said this is why you're on board. But yeah, that's true. It
was a little backwards where it's likelike the doctor all the work like here
(49:00):
is, but the doctor didn't tellhim anything. Well no, but I
mean she they're not entitled to thatinformation. They're entitled to know why Jane
Way wants them on the ship.It's a basic reason. Here's the thing
she could have. Here's here's whatI think. I think, because she
she's clearly not sure if she's goingto intervene at all, like she she
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was like she's made it clearly evenwhen they called her on the bridge and
she's like, I don't know,you know, We're not gonna watch anything
at this thing. We're not doingthat right now. Like, I don't
think she's committed even herself to herin her head, she's not committed to
actually doing anything at this point.I think that's why they're there if she
does decide to do it, ifshe decides to pull the trigger and say
yeah, I'll sort of try tosay, Chacote, they're there to provide
(49:43):
any sort of intel or whatever orwhatever. I don't think the kids.
I think they're just there because incase Jane Wee needs them. They're like,
you know, break glass and needof an emergency, and I don't
think they have the right to know. And the fact that they snumbled onto
the ship and then out the airlock into the this is I mean,
this is Doubleedore behavior. Harry doesn'tknow what's going on and what happened in
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my book for that, Daniel,come on, now, that's very different.
I just like how they found theship because the doctor like misspoke about
three and I'm like it feels likesomething the doctor shouldn't accidentally do. But
okay, but the doctor of allthe characters, right, she says,
like data making a slip of thetongue. It's like he would just tell
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his brain, like, don't evertalk about this classified things. Well,
I was gonna say, like theone. It's not annoying per se,
it's just like and I get itmoves the plot, but I'm like,
guys, shut up with your hallwaytalk. You guys talk about the most
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inappropriate things. When just comes along, what secret mission, You're like,
I like you, I'm like youkind of deserved that. You kind of
deserve that because you won't stop yapping. Or they're in the ceiling, you
know, the shuttle bay talking loudly, and and Zero's like, hey,
guys, shut up. To besure though, to be caught. Corridors
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are massive, so they I feellike sound would carry a really long way.
We also got the doctor explaining howturbolifts work, and we got to
see some sideways momentum from a turbolift, which we have not. Yeah.
I did like the uh very muchsmaller than I thought. There's turbo lifts.
That's a really big ship to behuge and like a big old empty
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void. Anyways, Okay, soyou know we've been yapping for quite a
while. Let's do let's just doclosing thoughts. I know we'll probably all
I imagine probably maybe my next week, but I'm not sure. But in
the near future, we'll probably allfinish the season and we'll talk about it
in your future. That's right,that's right. But what do you think
fifty two years into the future?Yeah, times, like seven days in
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the future, we'll talk about it. What do you guys think? Are
you looking forward to the rest ofthe season and hope to see some more
Prodigy or what? Yeah, I'mexcited. I like the fact that I
roughly know where it's going, butI don't know how it's going to get
there. I mean, we stillhave what sixteen episodes left, Like,
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there's a lot that can cover.There's a lot of forward and back.
I'm kind of glad there's no midseason break, so the story is just
going to keep going. It's notlike it's going to wrap up sort of
but then not, you know,mid after ten episodes. But yeah,
I've read a couple of things onsome of the other characters are going to
show up, which I won't sayfor spoilers, but yeah, I'm really
(52:45):
excited. I like Prodigy, LikeI said, I kind of need to
go rewatch like the last five episodesof season one to kind of remember where
everything was. But honestly, youkind of don't need to. If you,
oh, if you've never seen,you know, season one, you
could kind of jump in here.You would. Yeah, you wouldn't know
(53:07):
all the backstory, but you wouldn'treally miss who these characters are. I
don't think having just watched these threeepisodes, which that's a testament to their
storytelling. Yeah, I mean it'sYeah, I feel like I'm get in
trouble with myself if I say thistoo. I think it is remains my
favorite twenty first century series. Imean no word to Strange New World.
(53:32):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Ithink dynamically at the whole. I mean,
because Strange the World's only had twoseasons, I mean this has only
had season one, so both arestill a youngish shows. But yeah,
I mean I think having looked rewatchedProdigy season one like a couple months ago,
I mean it's other than and Ithink it's every series does this other
(53:55):
than Like the the end the endgame at the end of every series has
to be the Galaxy of the Fleet. The CGI is always the same.
So I hope that doesn't happen thisseason, but it's like everything before that.
It has always been very good indynamic and you can never predict I
think where things are going to go. You know, I don't know if
(54:15):
that there's gonna be sort of abeat even though all twenty episodes are out,
and if there's gonna be like ahalf season beat and then and then
a second season kind of beat.But yeah, I'm looking they have to
how else were they to win forMurph to evolve? Exactly? So this
is not his final form, iswhat you're saying, Daniel, Yes,
exactly. Wikipedia it does kind ofhave a part one and part two of
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ten and ten, so I thinkthere will be kind of a bit of
a bit of a mid season pause, but we don't have to wait.
Yeah, I also the only Imean, I don't know what are you
gonna do? Like when I wasgoogling majeel or the Vulcan character and I
saw something in the quickly did it. But I think everything's now out there,
(55:02):
and I think everything's been updated toreflect all the season two, which
I kind of hate. So likeyou gotta watch right, oh yeah,
if you want to. Kind ofI kind of came across that with again
in on Wikipedia, where like Isaid, I know a couple of characters
are going to show up because they'relisted under characters in the show, and
I know I haven't seen them yet, so we're they're coming soon. Like
(55:24):
even my Ransom coming back. MyYouTube algorithm already had like here's Jane Way's
personal from episode twenty. I'm like, ah, no, I don't need
I don't need that. The Voyagerbill will sound so, but yeah,
I am interested to Yeah, becausenow that they've had these all these tiny
(55:45):
why I means now you really don'tknow what's going to happen. Yeah,
And to talk to you just tobriefly, but you mentioned about the scope
of it. Philip was like,it's like, you know, the end
of these seasons sometimes can be like, oh my goodness, the entire galaxy
is at stake. Well with rightnow, how the stakes are set up,
whether it's just this tie line orjust this one event, I hope
it doesn't go too or even justas one planet with the civil war stuff,
(56:07):
that's that's still a big step backfrom those humongous space battle where we
have to save the U whole universefrom the Red thing or whatever, you
know, that sort of stuff.So I hope I hope they kind of
keep it a little bit more contained. This is the first season wasn't really
that big of a deal either,except for the fact that somehow the protostar
could destroy the entire federation or whateverit was. But you know, we
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mostly avoided that because it was justthe kids going around. Well, it
was more the virus I think thatwould destroy. Yeah, it wasn't like
that one ship was going to startyou know, it's not the scimitar,
but the kids should does keep thesafeties on because in that final two part
or like, that fleet should havebeen dead within thirty minutes, like oh
(56:49):
yeah, they were just going tofire each other for like five hours and
nothing happened. And okay, ohwe also got to see citation ops again.
Yeah, that's true with whales,like big whales, not just dolphins,
but full on hops. That's whyVoyager as to be so big.
That's what it is. Okay,that's the reason I'm fine with it.
Is it ten percent citation crew?Is that what you think it is?
(57:12):
That's right? Man, imagine tisinternal crew volume, Like that's a huge
section. Cool, cool, cool, all right. Well, we like
we're listening to port wie Well andsid Flipper is swimming and counterclockwise around deck
five, six, seven, andeight, which is all water because they're
supposed to be the navigationally, Yeah, I think they know better, right,
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Yeah, but I'm sure that isdefinitely not the last ye're can hear
from us about Prodigy, and hopefullynot the last Prodigy that we'll be able
to talk about fingers crossed right withHopefully it finds all the success that needs
on Netflix, but we'll definitely betalking about that in the future. So,
Philip, if people want to geta hold of you and find out
who your favorite citation is, howthey find you. They can read the
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book on Temporal Mechanics one O oneand find me on C A P T
S F U F P and Darren. If people wanted to find out what
your signature will metal beam that comesout of your armies, how would they
find you? It's called an heirloom. They've only said it a couple of
times, but ah, yes,they can find my heirloom signature at doctor
sci Fi dot com d R SC I f I, and they can
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find me at what I'm doing that'sthe number one, not the word that,
as in Prodigy is the number onebest computer animated Star Trek Show.
And you heard it here first.That's it for this week. I'll catch
you next week. I'm Daniel Pruf, I'm Philip Gilphus, and I'm Darren
Moser, Stranded here on SETI Alphathree