346 - Ten Episode Voyager Season Four

Whittling Down Season Four (VOY) to 10 episodes

The trio continues their series of chopping down the longer 1990s seasons of Star Trek into the 2020s average ten-episode limit. This time "the victim" is season four of "Star Trek: Voyager," also known as "when Seven of Nine joined the show."

The season begins with battling Species 8472 with the Borg in "Scorpion, Part II" and ends with "Hope and Fear," when the surprising (and suspicious) new starship Dauntless appears to take them home. These episodes also feature the Paris/Torres romance, the introduction of the Hirogen, and begins Seven's journey into humanity. Will your favorite episode make the cut? Will two-parters be split up? And how many episodes does "The Killing Game" count as???

Join us as we whittle down season four of Voyager!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the nerd Party. I'm Darren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphuth,
I'm Daniel Prue and this is City Alpha three. Hello,

(00:23):
and welcome to City Alpha three, a Star Trek podcast
here on the nerd Party network.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I am Darren.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Moser and am joined as always by my two fellows Trandees,
Philip and Daniel. Gentlemen, I know our planet has gone
through a.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Temporal vortex for the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
But now it has emerged on the other side. Nothing
is different. I promise we're all who were meant to be.
But no, how are you guys doing. I was really
close geographically to Daniel a couple of weeks back, but
we still didn't run AVU. That's all right, though. It

(01:01):
was good to chat for a moment.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Did you get But but you didn't get to see
the Enterprise?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Right? I did? I did. I'd seen the Enterprise before in.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
A trip to d C once before before it well,
this wasn't the Enterprise, this Discovery.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
No did you see the Enterprise Enterprises?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Sorry, I thought you were talking about the Shuttle.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
No, no, no, yes I did.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
I went to DC and it was Yes, I got
to see the Tos Enterprise. And I got there right
before the top of the hour, which is I guess
when they lighted up for five minutes to conserve the
impact on the model. So yes, yes, so we'll know
where the burn is happening. The model goes just disappears.

(01:49):
But no, that was really cool. I mean it's it's big.
It's bigger than you think. You know, eleven foot model
is nothing to sneeze at. But it was just and
I remember having seen a lot of the restoration videos
and the work that they went into, you know, making
it look as good as it does.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
So yeah, it was it was very nice to see.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
I also there were there was like two other sci
fi in the two museums. There was an X Wing
from the sequel trilogy hanging, which was kind of cool,
and then there was also the model from the Mothership
from Close Encounters of the Third Kind in one of

(02:30):
the other museums. So yeah, I like how they kind
of often will have other little bits. I mean it's
like half of a percent, you know, very small part
of the museum, but it's like, hey, space and science
fiction inspires things, so let's tech a couple cool things
into our Air and Space Museum as long as people

(02:50):
don't think X wings are real.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
So the curators have figured out the people that goes
to visit air and Space museums and the people that
watched spaceships on TV. Ven diagram is very small.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
It's a circle, nerds. Yes, yes, well fine, I looked.
I looked at the Records Building, Philip and I didn't
go in and see the Constitution, but I'm sure we
did see the Liberty which was cool. And we picked
the right day because the next day was when the

(03:23):
Trump Harris debate was happening, so we wouldn't have gotten
anywhere near that building.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
But that was cool to see.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, very a lot of fun historical aspects of our
country on that trip. So that's what I was doing,
jetting around the East coast. But Philip, you said you
were doing another another rewatch.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yes, I finished my As I've said, I've been alternating
between Trek and Who. So I finished the very long
to me series for three or four of Doctor Who,
and so finally got back on the Star Trek train
and it started season two. So about five episodes in

(04:05):
season two of TG. Yes, TG, Sorry there's only one
Star Trek in this but yeah, and so it's been
nice getting back on the old NCC seventeen oh one.
D it's a slower season that I remember, very low
sticks is you know, oh you think, oh season one
and season two so much better and like season one

(04:27):
so far, so better is But anyway, but you know,
there's a lot of changes, good changes that they made
as the program of alls. But yeah, happy to be
there are I also read the autobiography of Jean McK
picard in the past month, a book that's been on
the on the old shelf, which is interesting. Obviously, you know,

(04:48):
written before Star Trek Pericard, so some of it may
not be canon unreleased secret biography, yeah, because it goes
into the future, you know, post Nemesis, which is now
no longer true. But it was interesting and even though
obviously most of it, you know, because that's what they're
stringing his story from, but you know, the sort of

(05:10):
the pre enterprise, because it gives the story of what
went on, you know, post Stargazer, pre enterprise was what
was he up to? A lot of desk work?

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I mean, yeah, he was basically working stick at my station.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Admiral Hansen, uh, you know, from the best of both worlds.
Apparently we played a lot of in his career, Like
apparently it was his first posting was on Captain Hanson's
all right almost but anyway, Captain Hanson really did a
lot for young chol Luke, and so he was in
working for Admiral Hansen dealing with readiness of the fleet
and starships and all that. So it's like during that

(05:44):
time sort of forced gumping his way across the fleet
as he meets Yare meets Geordie. I'm trying to remember,
but anyway, Data, yeah, Troy.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, basically meets That's basically how the band got together
for next Gen because that's that's true because it makes
it appear that he chose a lot of those people
for his command and and then they're just like, hey,
here's a Galaxy class starship and the flagship. Go like,
does he do anything that kind of warrants that position or.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well, like the thing the way his career is projected
is like he was the hot shot young guy who
got made captain the Stargazers because of being a hot shot,
you know, doing all these cool kind of kirk key
and stuff when he was younger, and so he was
captain the Stargazer for a long time obviously, and but
like he still made his name, but losing the Stargazer,

(06:45):
not that anyone thought it was his faults. I mean,
as we know, I mean, this is you know, still
was a black mark on his record. And because the
Jag who we later meet in that card against him,
like he lowered his stock and so he kind of
had to wait for it because he's like, oh, where's
my next command and animal Hens is like hmm, let's wait,

(07:06):
and so that he basically sort of had to like
not start from zero, but basically he kind of like
started a little bit down. That's how I started to
pass him by.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Let me ask this question because the last time we
talked about the whole Wesley and Crusher senior Jack situation
with the body and all that, is that addressed at
all in the in the in the in these.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Details, I'm trying to remember how how Jack died. It's
in the book, yeah, because it because it is interesting
like Jack started as his like helmsman like lieutenant Crusher
and then eventually worked his way up to the first officer.
But yeah, I mean I can't remember the details of
the time but it was something a mission obviously where
he got killed. But yeah, I mean basically like they

(07:52):
that mission is recounted, and then it's like the next
scene on Earthed with Beverley, you know, with the body,
and then we.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Interesting because you know, obviously they were still kind of
coming up with the story. But it makes it feels
like it's an angle that was never really explored. That
that emotion of Picard seeing Wesley sit in the you know,

(08:24):
the navigator you know, seat on his ship and having
very strong parallels to his father, you know, in the
same position under Picard, like we never ever talked about that.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
But because I mean the book now, I'm trying to
remember when this is said because I don't want to
mischaracterize it. But at some point I can't remember if
it's like DNG or like at Post, you know, post
making up things after Nemesis where it's like, oh, when
I see Wesley, I see Jack but of course makes
it very awkward. But it talks about in the romance

(08:58):
with Beverley, like yeah, there's my friend and her ex
husband there, you know. Yeah, But anyway, so but then
and also I finished Prodigy, so there lots of star
Trek things done.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Oh, I watched a couple more episodes. I'm not caught up.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yet, but finish.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
I need to finish. But what about what about you, Daniel?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Eating any good books?

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Slightly?

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Uh? No, no books. You know, I've been a little busy.
It's been a little bit since I've had any Star
Trek conjecting into my veins. Like I said, I did
watch a couple of since Prodigy, I think last week,
but other than that, it's been, uh been kind of
sci fi free actually for me for for a little bit.
So I'm ready to start talking about some Star Trek.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, I haven't.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I haven't started it yet, but because I was going
to be traveling so much, I did pick up Agents
of Influence, which is a new Dayton Ward t o
S book, but I have not cracked it yet.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
So do all these books, see like to do all
the TS books?

Speaker 3 (09:59):
And I'm sure all of that of saying all is reductive,
But do a lot of these books that they just
take place like after the like right after the show.
Still during the five year mission, they just had an
infinite amount of adventures that they.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Just went on.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Basically, I'm trying to remember some of the other ones
I've read, but it's just it's not like Sulu's on
the excelsor or anything like that. Like it's all it's
all the TOS Enterprise. It's it's not even the A
or anything like that. So yeah, but yeah, but you know,
it's just like which is interesting because yeah, that is
kind of a different vibe than like a lot of

(10:33):
the TNNG books where it's all about what's happening after
and how things are progressing and changing. And you know,
it's although maybe there've been one or two that have
been like this was between this episode and this episode,
and it's all little story you know, of the good
old one seven zero one d you know, Plaski's there
and everyone's like what, No, I'm just kidding, no, but yes,

(10:57):
but we are back chatting about and so I was
trying to think about I was trying to pick a
season because often or two other times on our podcast here,
I've had us look at a complete season of TNG

(11:20):
or DS nine or basically Star Trek and whittle it
down to ten, thinking of, you know, oh, these modern stories,
everything is done in ten episodes. It's all you get.
No other ways to pad, no filler, which I think
is a crazy thing to say, because that term doesn't
mean what you think it means. So we've done TNG

(11:45):
season four, We've done DS nine season four, which was
really an interesting discussion. So I said, well, season four
seems to be where the sweet spot is, and we're
going to do Voyager season four, which is all So
we're seven of nine shows up, so that's going to
be a very interesting discussion. So again, we are going

(12:06):
to take the twenty six I know you can't count
them all on your fingers episodes of Star Trek Voyager
season four from back in nineteen ninety seven, and whittle
it down to ten. So, oh gosh, if I remember

(12:28):
the unwritten rules for this game that I just made up,
we aren't counting the first and the last episode because
that kind of if it's a two parter, you are allowed.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Now, this is the problem if we keep doing this forever.
What we have said is we are allowed to boot
it to the previous season. However, if we ever get
to that previous season, we are than screwing ourselves.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
But that is the thing.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
If we were saying, oh, this is how the other
season ended, that was our argument.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
So we could make it a bigger end of season.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
The other thing you could do the end to the
next season.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
So okay, because we start with Scorpion Part two, which
is kind of important as it establishes you know, seven
of nine on uh and we could they.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Did a two party in the last season.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
That's nice, that's true. Well, I think this also should
help because the last episode isn't really a two parter,
so I think we'll be safe on that. So for now,
I guess we can.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
We can keep it in.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, we could keep it one and pulled the reverse. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, my god, this this had a lot of
ten point two eight million viewers Scorpion Part two. Everybody
wanted to see what was happening to the USS voyager
on UPN Channel eight.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
But dun dun, dun dum.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
All right, so we'll bypass Scorpion unless we need we
do the quick gift first first time, So the first round,
if both of you say yes, we keep it, or
if all of us keep it. If there's any no,
we don't unless we have to circle back around. I
believe all right the gift Kess's mental abilities developed to

(14:22):
the point where.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
They endanger Voyager while the doctor in.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Jane way slowly helps it of die and cope with
being severed from the Borg.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
So this is.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
If you get rid of this. Yeah, And is this
where she also pushes them forward? Yes, or that's where
she comes back, which and she's all no.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
No, no, yeah, that's the next one. But yeah, she
this is the gift. The gift is pushing them forward.
And of course it's very pivotal because as you all remember,
we all kept maps during voyage or yes, we did
how much to advance the voyager, But then.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
It didn't actually really matter in the end, right because.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
We were still in Borg space. We didn't get out
of Borg space.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
That was probably it.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
They probably cleared Borg space. That was probably it.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Oh but it's not like we didn't deal with the
board every other episode for the next rest of the series.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
That's because we brought a board on board.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
That's what I'm saying, Like, it's that's what I mean. Like,
so each I think they said ten years, right, didn't
they say that she knocked off ten years or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
But ultimately she hurdles the ship through space, ending up
safely beyond Borg space and ten years closer her home.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, but what I'm saying is I don't think it
actually matters because we deal with Borg every other episode
for the rest of BERN.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
I was gonna say, like, clearing Borg space doesn't mean
what you think it means, because they still show up
quite a bit, and they but they could choose how
much Borg they wanted. Now, the influence shows a lot,
but right, just say, I'm just saying, I'm saying yes
for now, for now, Yes, I think I think structurally
we kind of have to keep it because it explains

(16:04):
where did Kess go and also, as we said, justifies
a little bit less bored around this. So all right,
so we'll hold on to that day of honor. Belana
tries to observe the klingon Day of Honor and the
warp Core is lost.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
See, I will admit, guys, a lot of these I
had to look up a lot more like I maybe
I haven't done a rewatch in a while, but they're
less percolating in the memory than that.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Remember when you said the warp corep I remember, she
just has like the worst day. Everything keeps going wrong
on a very bad day. Yeah, basically, but I can't
because I would not imagine she actually wants to do
the Day of Honor. I mean, I assume she was
trying to avoid it.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Well, she doesn't like seven, so that's always fun. And yeah,
they have to eject the warp unless I remember something
else about this.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Episode just because we get it an actual warp cores injection.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Okay, so you're like shacks, right, that's your exactly, well,
we see it. An excellent engineering forces her to eject
the warp core. This is the start though of the
tom Baalana romance, as far as it coming out, because
this is where they're they're both like in their spacesuits,

(17:29):
you know, to for each other.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
That's how.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, and then like an alien shows up fires on
the shuttle, closing a whole breach. They have barely enough
time to get their space suits on a beam themselves out.
So there's that's like the last four.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Well and then no, no, that's like the core of
it is them waiting and then Void dress to go
find them limited amount of O two, you know, but
there can be held up by you know, they basically
the aliens like steal the warp core and like they're
wanting to barter and.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
I'm like, hey, recall this. Yeah, no, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
But as getting dizzy, you know, they say they're goodbyes,
and Balana and stays she cannot die without telling Tom
the truth and that she loves him, and then beams
the episode.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yes, because that was the one that ends with the
board tease.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Right, Oh, you're right there, yes, so this was.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
That was like the end of last season, I think,
and this was.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Right, Yeah, you're right. Sorry, this is the beginning of
the romance. This is where she says I love you. Yeah,
this is the explicit Yes, it was. The next episode
is going to be the awkward. I mean if you
don't mean we were both gonna well they have.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
That, don't they have that? Like in the in the
Turtle left? Don't they have that very conversation.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I'm pretty sure the next episode it wasn't. Yeah, because
because yea, the episode does end with them being beamed
and that's the credit troll. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
So okay, so what our what's our vote on Day
of Honor?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yes, all right, work corn, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Well, good thing.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
We can use the other warp cord that's in Voyager.
It's in all those technical diagrams.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
No, we don't have that.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yes, well, uh, Nemesis. I barely even remember this one.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
This is all right, this is the yeah I.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Episode twice Yeah, because they do this episode and then
it's like you have this in six or seven where
it's a memorial of to my head, is that name
of the episode where like it it's like brainwashing and training,
like he's it's not true.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Oh, because it's it's not shale, but it's something like
that where they have gosh sperbage. I mean, look, I
get the point of the episode because it's the ugly
aliens end up being the good guys and the normal
humans are I don't know, the bad guys per say,
but they're not, you know.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I mean it really comes down to the last line
of he wishes that it was easy to stop hating
as it was to start. It's like, okay, we see
what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I could take it.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
This is a pass so few episodes, but it's it's
it's terrible, but it's just not good, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, No, it is forgettable, which is even worse than
being terribised.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
So no port so it gets better in Prodigy, So
I don't feel as bad if we chat episodes.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
You know, next we get a Doctor episode, we get Revulsion,
and this is where the Doctor comes across another.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Uh not not oh, another hologram. But the hologram has
very little ethics.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, he like basically kills his crew like it's kind
of the whole like you know this, Yeah, the ship
would do so much better without them.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Oh, just kill them. And he's like, this guy's a psychopath.
I need to get out of here.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
It's it's a because I'm that actress. Sci fi horror
is what it's been described as, and probably.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Not that actress been and stuff like you would have
seen him. In fact, he's been a startrik before. I
think either after or before.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Oh I know he was in that Enterprise episode where
they go back in time because he played like the
buying all the bodies to the Zendi.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
But anyway, I'm gonna say yes, but you can talk
me out of it. Because they had this episode with
the Doctor a few times they do. It's just not.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I have no memory of this.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, it's just so forgettable, got it.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, I think, like, you know, the Doctor is identifying
more with the photonic being.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
And right, and they're like, but he's crazy and.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Then asserting his rights as a photonic being, which he does.
But you know, they do this episode a few times,
so yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
They do, they do it better. This is their first try,
their first dress. I know. If you said yeah, I
say no, Okay.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Next, I think it's a pretty much given the raven
massive backstory for seven of nine. We find out how
she gets you know, assimilated. We find how terrible her
parents are for the danger, but the conflict it creates
of when did the Federation know about the Borg?

Speaker 2 (22:45):
True?

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Because unless their parents are Q Who before you know,
after Q Who, which means a.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Little bit about a series called Enterprise there because or
a little movie called First Contact.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
We're trying to do the math of how old is
seven and then how many years ago was Q Who
from this episode? And then does that time much well?

Speaker 1 (23:07):
But remember she doesn't have to have been born after
Q Who. She just the mission just has to be
after Q Who.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I know, but I think she
was like what five in this episode in the flashback? Right?

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, but again that doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
So Q Who took place like four years prior to
this or six years prior to this is I mean
more than.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
That because this is Voyd your season four yeah, and
this is versus season two two of TNG, so it's
kind of like seven eight nine years. Yeah, that makes
that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
That as long as the math or the math.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Is mapping, I mean, I don't know whatever, we don't
have to do it now, but that's fine.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
As directed by LeVar Burton, guys, I mean, come on,
gotta go for it. So we're keeping the raven uh
scientific method. This is the I like that one? Uh
you know?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Do you like this is? I mean, if you're gonna
keep bad, bad ones.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
You know?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:13):
This is because it's also theoretically helps the Tom Balana
relationship because they're like, well, wait, were we just the
victim of horroriculation?

Speaker 2 (24:23):
That's true? Why why why do you?

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Why do we want to keep this one? I can't
remember what happens to it?

Speaker 1 (24:28):
The one with the aliens invisible aliens are doing scientific
experiments and everyone, so.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
They're giving Jane Way a headache and letting her sleep.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Freaks out and flies the voyager into a sun.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Like between two stars, and they're like, you have to
turn us around.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
She's like, nope, this is this is this is the
f around and find out part of your scientific experiment.
And then they're like, what are our It's Tubaki's like
one in ten or something like that. Yeah, it's not
a bad episode. I think it gives a lot of character.
And that's an interesting premise that we haven't seen.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
There's always a round two if you if you know, yeah,
all right, I think we'll.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Hold on to it for our round two.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Year of Hell one and two.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
I mean, oh wow, I'm past now, I'm kidding it.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Shush, you're breaking up, Philip, I'm losing your Transit has
no effect. It never happened.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
So you know why we I mean, you're not wrong,
but yeah, well the way we'll get the astrometrics lab.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
So Brandon set this out.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Here of where if we can and we will get
to this at the end, we can move the placement
of these episodes because this is right, it'd be interesting
episode eight and then you think this is for real,
like just keep Year of Hell part one and stick
it as the finale. Something to think about, something to

(25:55):
think about. Okay, Okay, that's that has possibilities. That's very interesting.
I'm gonna tentatively move that there, all right, So then
we have random thoughts. Don't worry, I'll explain it.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
The bat damage.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Your voyager hides in a nebula as a skeleton crew
attempts repairs. Meanwhile, the Krenim commander proposes a compromise to Chickotte.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
So well, the Crenim.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
That's the time, people, right, all right, I'm sorry I
read I read part two of your Yeah, sorry, sorry sorry.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Taurus is resident for visiting a world of telepath where
violent thoughts is a crime. Yeah, it turns out it
wasn't her, It was like the other guy that did it.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Because it's as episode. Yeah, he's having to hunt. He's like, hey,
don't the bottomize her. Let me do my detective thing.
And he finds like the junk the feelings junkies, and
he's like, oh, violent thoughts.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
I'll give it to you.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, the black market of of bad thoughts again. You know,
it's like that, it's a Balon episode.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
You know, I mean it's two block episode, really true? True? Yeah, yeah,
because she's kind of locked up for most of it,
you know. But I mean, I mean I would say no,
But if you're gonna say it's fine, I.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Would agree with no.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
I think I think we're we're good without it. Yeah,
all right. Concerning flights, aliens steal several key components of Voyager,
which are retrieved with the assistance of a holographic Leonardo
da Vinci. Oh yes, uh so, I guess this is
where davincually shows up.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, this is yes, because he gets the mobile emitter
from the doctor.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I think, oh, that's.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Right, that they steal the mobile emitter and his program
was running, sous it's the January da Vinci.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
He's walking around and he's like a Dalina. This amazing
place that I have. You know what is going on.
I love what he called a kind of leading the
whole time.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
And they pass, you know, they fly off the cliff
or oh yeah, because they have like better they have
a little bit of them and other better technology that
he didn't have access to back then.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
I mean, I'm sure you said, but go ahead, yeah,
shush you.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
This British filter is on good.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
I mean, if you want to give.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
A januine episode, yeah, it's not bad. So when showing
his Slider's love here true, true.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
I can't remember, Like, I like the idea and concept,
but I can't remember if I thought it was fun
or if I thought it was.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Knowing you, Daniel, I would think you would find the
Leonardo character annoying.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, maybe definitely possible. So I have no opinion. I
will go with wherever you guys want to larne on it.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
I mean, uh, all right, let's put it in then
and then we'll maybe second round it, because sure that's.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Our that's our way. Oh mortal coil. Flix dies comes
back and it's like life. I am freaking out. I mean,
because that's pretty serious episode that. This is not like
Nelix is annoying and happy like this, Nelix is suicide.
This is like on the level of the videons where

(29:17):
like they steal his lungs and he has to stay
and he like.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Kind of wants to die.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Like Flix, Felix has some rough goes and you get
what's her name, Naomi? That is it? Yeah, Naomi Wellman.
Yeah yeah, And I mean she's little, it's not the
regular actors yet, yeah little.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
So Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
I think it works.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I mean, is part of the part of the Nelix
monster and the replicator and only allow Neelix to tuck
her in.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Did she say replicator with a w.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
There's a monster and a replicator. You must check under
my bed, but it does, I mean, it does also
kind of established that connection, you know, because he it's
very much him realizing like, even with his crisis of faith,
he has a place and it's not like it's all

(30:12):
for not because that's what he's wrestling with.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
I don't know, what do you? What do you think? Daniel?
I'm on the fence, you know.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Again, this is one of those episodes where I don't
have a ton of memory of it, so I can't can't.
It does sound heavy, and I do vaguely remember him
getting really upset.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
But there's like the tree in the afterlife and his
sister he sees, Yeah, yeah, I remember does say that,
which is the problem.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
So yeah, he has a version of it. What do
you What do you think?

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Philip?

Speaker 2 (30:39):
What do you vote? I will say yes or now,
And if it's a round, I'm gonna do you remember
it the most? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:49):
And this is still I mean, Felix will still be
around for a while, but he's still kind of evolving
the series, right. I meant like, it's not like it's
season one Nelix, but season four Nelix.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
So mister vulcan.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Waking moments, the crew becomes trapped in a shared nightmare
generated by alien technology. Only Chacote, through his native American
spiritual capabilities, can save them. Oh it's Achie.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
This is the one where they see the moon in
the reflection.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Oh okay, I beg to recall it and then later
it's an inception. Basically, this is an inception. Yeah, because
you don't know, I see the moon.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Is this the right one or not? I still don't
remember remember it?

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, I think probably safely skip it. Well, especially with
what we know now regarding the depiction of American stuff
that was a voyager, we can.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
We can cut it. Yeah, I think I think we're
good cutting it, cutting it Yeah. Ooh, message in a
bottle the Doctor's program is sent an advanced starfleet vessel
is Yeah, I mean, Eddie Dick.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
It's just it's so funny, even if even episode quality aside, Right,
what would just makes contact with Startley. I mean that's
kind of like the heart of the whole series.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
He kind of right when he comes back and he's like,
I have messages. By the way, you guys all need
do uniforms.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
You know, you will not believe what they're wearing.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, yeah, b b beep beep.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Need I say more that he comes back reprogrammed with
the right uniform, like who are you?

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Or you are doctor?

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Oh fashion moves forward even in voyagers absence that actually
that would have been the best line for him to say.
Uh yeah, I think I think we're all agreeing that
it's a it's a great episode and should not be cut.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Even Daniel remembers this one.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
That's a fun, fun episode. So yeah, definitely, and important
things happen. It's good, it's good stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
We get the multi vector assault mode, which is kind
of cool. You're not ejecting warp course, but it's splitting
a ship into three pieces. Daniels, I mean, how many
warp cours does that ship have?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, you're right, you're right. You've got a little teeny
warped to sell on the sorcer that sticks up. Is
it enough? I guess so?

Speaker 1 (33:20):
But all right, now, okay, now this these aren't uh,
these aren't two parters, no, but we have Hunters and Prey,
which I believe are kind of kind of joined the Herogion.
So letters from Home and Startfleet Command get get held

(33:40):
up at a Herogon relay station, and Janeway sais course
to retrieve it and then pray is Voyager rescues a
herogent survivor who tells them of a new kind of
prey on the loose.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
So, uh, do we want to just keep keep keep keeping.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Now and we can look get the prey one because
you're going to keep the first one at least.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Wait, yeah, what is it?

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Why?

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Why I understand keeping the first one? Why the second one?
What relevance does the second one happen?

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Let's let's start with the first the new prey?

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, okay, let's get Okay, so we're keeping hunters unless
we and because it's herogen, we get come on their
relay stations. Okay, so prey, what is the hunting?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
The alien?

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Is it species eight four seven two? The hunter corners
species eight four seven two and grapples with So that's
why we have.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Back to back species introductions and yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Well no, no, no, because coorpion was eight four seven two.
It also was yes, because this is the introduction of them.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
No O, you're right.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
I think then we wouldn't need it unless there's specific the.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Conflict is I think Voyager and seven are protecting eight
four seven two and the herogon are like, we want
to kill it, right, So.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, have the herogon found a way to go into
fluid space? Maybe basically it's doing the board.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I don't remember it.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
I mean, yeah, I do love you can probably pass
on it. Yeah, I do love Hunters because, I mean,
unfortunate is one of the things where you introduce big
and then they don't keep with it, literally because the
herogon and that are all supposed to be like seven
feet tall.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, and then like after that they're all like normal size.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, you're kind of right.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Although Ciffy recommends Prey for their seven of nine binge
watching guide, jeez, so I mean, I'm yeah, you can
persuade me. I don't know, I'm agnostic. I think we're
starting to filter. Yes, so let's seah, let's skip pray
for now retrospect after experiencing unsettling hallucinations. Seven of nine

(35:51):
is hypnotized by the doctor who as analysis reveals a
trader might have extracted sorry not trade, or a trader
like a shipping trader, may have extracted bore technology from
seven without your consent? Is this the oh? Is this
the kind of like violations in a way?

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, this is this is how I remember the episode.
And I may be wrong. This is basically a and
I'll say it's sexual assault episode. But if I recall
Seven is wrong, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I think it's he They catch him and they're like,
we don't have a sufficient evidence to determine your guilt.
But he thinks it's a trap and so he gets
attacked and then his ship overloads and it kills him.
So she gets no closure.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
But yeah, I think at the end they're like yeah,
because they're like, we don't really know your programming was.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Harassed by these accusations.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
And I'm like, don't know if that's the most trouble.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
I mean, I'm not saying, but I'm also not not
saying no.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
I agree. I remember the I remember the message being
muddled at the end of it because I'm like, like,
now I don't know who I'm supposed to.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
It's kind of like the Voyager conspiracy, where like we
can't she's an unreliable narrator in this story and we
can't quite like we're not sure, but it's like there wasn't.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
It's kind of a yeah, and because like Seven makes
these accusations and everyone obviously her crew, you know, her crew,
her new crew come to her defense, and then but
then the story cards kind of gets holes into it,
and then you're like, so it's like one of those
maybe just just shouldn't do this if we don't know
how to do this, So I would.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Say no, Yeah, I think it comes down to false memories.
And I think it's also being rated as one of
the worst of season four. So let's ah, let's get
that the.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Killing game, the Erogin implant devices on the crew, making them.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Believe that they're one and two part. Yes, it is
a two part. It's listed here as old nineteen. I
think it was just one a special. This is a special, but.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
It was like a two hour special movie.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
So we get to keep it for one guys memory,
But has it in two parts?

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Is one how it was originally aired versus how it
was re aired?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
You know what I'm saying, because like.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
I was just gonna say, you know, I mean, it's
it's we are We're very well aware of like what
the episode is like, you know, you think about it
and it's like very distinctive, you know, the Nazi alien
Holiday episode. But I'm I will challenge I'll just say this,
sure is there other than it just being like a

(38:40):
good fun episode, is it? What else did we get
out of it? Are we getting anything.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Out of this?

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Singing pregnant in real life?

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Right? Right?

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Happened in this Yeah, so she her hologram, right, But
it's because she actually was a pregnant and it wasn't
doctor Bisher's.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Fault because I remember anything of consequence happening really, Like,
you know, it's just I think we got to.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Take back the ship and just take back the ship.
Episodes are usually good.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Well. I also like the fact that I really like
the second part as well, where because what's the second
part episode? The later half?

Speaker 1 (39:23):
But I like how seven is, like we find that
she's been tasked to kind of keep the like they've
turned half the ship into a holiday and it's starting
to go bad and they're trying.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Like I just like that.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Concept of them turning Voyager into a holographic ship for
this purpose.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
So and I just like the whole the rest of
the season story.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Of course, the ship has to be repaired and we
see that no throughout.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Now it's all back to square one? Is that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Okay, I mean I say keeping it just I can't
see a reason not to we can put it on.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
The chopping block, but I'll say for now, I.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Would definitely see a reason if there were, if it
counted as two parts.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Darren, I have to ask at Darren because if we
are doing it, you guys production, because I mean, are
you going to say if we keep it and it's
ten episodes, it's not really eleven? I mean I will
say that. That's exactly what I say.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
All right, So next we have vis A vis An
alien shuttle with a prototype propulsion system suddenly appears and
requires assistance. Paris is restless and volunteers to help the pilot,
Ah Seth Steph repair the shuttle.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
This isn't Alice. This isn't that one. I thought. Is
this the one where it's the where you kind of have, well,
you almost have to keep it for prodigy purposes? Is
this the fake ship where it turns out to be
the one that's actually going to take him back to
the board because revenge did the Dauntless, I don't think so, Okay.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Yeah, none of this, noiliar No, I don't know anything.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
They're restored to their proper bodies, and the alien, now
trapped back in the woman's body, is taken into custody
and set this track down.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
It's a weird body swap episode. It's a body switch
killing episode. I'm good. I barely remember it. Yeap oh okay,
Episode twenty one the Omega directive. It's kind of cool,
like the whole you know. I mean, I remember first
watching it where they're like, oh, Captain's eyes only you

(41:35):
guys can't hear, and we're like, what, like, we're the audience,
of course we get here. Nope, you don't get any information.
I mean, it does something introduce something to the canon
of the larger universe. That's something that even outweighs the
prime directive. But I'm not saying that necessarily argues for
keeping it necessarily. I mean, because it is not necessarily

(41:57):
like anything dynamic about it it other than you know, well,
other than seven like engaging kind of religious. Yeah, yeah,
which is kind of cool. I would say yes, but
I probably won't be married to it in round two.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
I don't know, what do you what do you think, Dad?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
You remember this one?

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yeah? I definitely remember it, and I'm maybe in my
mind that I'm making it sillier than it was. But
I just remember getting annoyed like with this concept of
this molecule that will destroy everything.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
It's like in a world of the Burn, this is nothing,
that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Well, that's what I'm overpowered molecule, Daniel. It's like a fay.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
You can trace that sort of thinking back to episodes
like this where it's like this is definitely long ky
science here, this is not. So that's why I don't.
I just don't like it on like like a ground level.
But I will say that it is kind of canonically
important because it does come back later on.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
So yeah, that's I kind of wish like the Burn,
Like I mean, I hate still hate the Burn. But
like if they had, if they had connected it to Omega,
I think at least I would have found that plausible.
Like you already have a destroying subspace kind of thing.
Now it's what they did. They didn't destroy substace. They
just blew up day withium.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
A very sad boy.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, Like it would have been more interesting if it,
likes had instead of killing everyone in the universe, which
I'm not very pro about, like it had just like.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
You destroy's subspace subspace. Yeah, so like the travel impossible,
but everyone's which is the same same result, just worse.
It's like we didn't blow up the engine, we blew
up the roads, and now we can't go anywhere. And
and so that also would mean that uh, Discovery could
still do its things and still still get around. Yeah,

(43:54):
and then maybe they find a way to heal subspace
right anyway, uh molecule alpha directive alpha magic molecule.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I mean it feels like we're kind of on the fence.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Uh. I mean you can say yes, and then we'll
say yes and then round two unforgettable. An alien female
from a cloak ship asks name and requests asylum on
voyage from repeople. Why why does she.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Requests Because she is an alien who does not exist
in short term memory, so after you leave meeting her,
you don't remember her anymore. Yeah, she and Jacote fell
in love, but when she left, and so when she's
in trouble, but then I think something reverse happens. It's

(44:48):
also whereas Andrew Robinson in it, which is kind of cool,
really a lot.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Ofmber her being an actor, a famous actress who whose name.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I'm blanking on. Virgin mad He was the director Madson. Yeah,
but yeah, I say skip, yeah, just like her leaving
I kind of forget it. So it's such a coach
romance episode. So I mean, I don't think and I

(45:17):
hate to hurt the character, but that's.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
What it is.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
It was also directed by Andrew Robison. That's what I
just said. Well, I was saying he was in it. Nah,
I don't think it was.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Sorry, I'm misreading it. It was directed by him. I
was misreading that.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
As he was in it. So okay, all right, Living
witness uh oh Gurian Museum curator seven hundred years in
the future hopes a Voyager relic containing a copy of
the doctor those warship Voyager. It's a pretty decent episode
without knowing who the doctor isn't start yourk academy. We
may need this one. Yeah, I mean, I that's true,

(46:02):
but it's anyways, Yeah, all right, I say, I say
keep it. It's a it's a good one. It's like
a bottle show without a bottle show, like every because
everything is different.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Like it's a very interesting concept. It's this close. It's
a good Mayor episode without being a Mayror episode. You're
absolutely right. It also is something that you could only do,
Like I love it when we do episodes where like
this would only work because we have the doctor, because
we have a hologram that could you know. It's like
in uh, The Orville, there's the episode where Isaac goes

(46:38):
on the planet for seven hundred years because he's an android.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Like he can do that not die, Like, so.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
All right, Uh, next we have demon Tom Harris and
Tom Harris and Harry Kim take a shuttle down to
an extremely inhospitable planet to obtain fuel. So later this
will come to play Operation Annihilate with Operation and Annihilates.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
I can't remember the name of it. That's a TS episode,
but I can't remember the name of.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
This because I thought it was Yeah, I can't remember
the name. So basically, if we don't keep it, just
know we have to kill that one.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
I'm not saying, you know, I don't remember. I don't
off the top of my head. I don't remember this
episode being whatever. Yeah, I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
The second one is amazing, but and that's partially because
it we don't see it coming. It's like it's very
tentatively set up, or it's it's teased, and then later
we realized, like, oh, this is from that planet.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Now, theoretically you could just have that as a standalone
there's a lot of adventures we don't see, you know,
right right, that is true.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Or you could literally just have like the opening part
of the episode be whatever happened in this episode, just
cut down and be like, oh, this is what we did.
We went on our adventure. Then after the credits start
and you're just in the alternate ship and you don't
know that of course, but it would be the same
sort of thing. Yeah, so I would say skip it.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yeah, if the metallic liquid clones, I think we're good. Yeah,
all right, Next we have one seven of nine is
left alone on Voyager when a nebula deadly radiation forces
the crew into stasis, and then the doctor's hologram program
has issues.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
So this is where the enterprise episode where Flox is
alone the exact same thing. Yeah, it kind of is,
which that one's better, but make some curtains for that porthole.
Yeah uh, I mean, you know, I forget does she

(48:45):
does she imagine someone?

Speaker 1 (48:47):
And then everyone is still in because he has never
done dark and her Oh yeah yeah, Trajis himself was
a hallucination before his emitter dies out. Yeah, her ellucinations
get worse and worse worse, she feels she feels very alone. Yeah,

(49:09):
well that's also hallucination, I guess. But it's literally the
same episode.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
It's literally the same.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
I will say no, but if you're like seven to them,
have an episode this season it is kind of progressing
her in feeling like I don't need to I don't
want to be alone. I don't want to be one.
Could she get, you know, freshly apart from the board,
She's like, I don't want to be around anybody. I
want to be by myself. I haven't been by myself ever.

(49:35):
And now she's like, okay, too much of a thing.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
So, uh, I do not care for it.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
I say, yeah, we can skip. We can skip twenty
six Hope and Fear. Paris and Nelix returned from a
mission with a passenger named Arturists who knows more than
four thousand languages. He manages to decode a men sage board.
Already just reading this Dauntless, uh A decode the star

(50:07):
fleet that lead the way home. This is the finale
of the season. It's probably the oh yeah bridge of
the Dauntless.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
This is the dunalist one. So this is the original
ending ending and you can see why it's so it's
a promise of going home episode very star Treki.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
I think, I mean it's a good episode, and I
like the whole I mean you feel kind of feel
a little bad for the guy, but he's you know,
try to kill our people.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
So yeah, I mean, yes, I think there's interesting ways
of where to move it in the season.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
But right, all right, so let's count up what we
got one Okay, so we have thirteen, including Year of

(51:11):
Hell part one, so oh, I say, yeah, yeah, we
want to argue, are you in youre including and you're
including Scorpion part two? Or no? No, I was not, okay,
even though you should.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Well we're booting it.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
We're gonna do it, okay, So fourteen and then we
booted to episode season three thirteen back to.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
I mean we almost you.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Are including the killing game as one, which is very controversial,
but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, yes, okay, so we have some we have some
work to do, not too much work. We had some
ones that we were ready to kill.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, what was the I'm trying to think what the
lowest of the tourtem poll was. Yeah, they're not bad,

(52:11):
Mortal Coil was that one kind of no that was
not terrible.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Oh that's the Neelix one. I mean, I don't know. Okay,
let me let me start this.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I'll read through the ones we've picked, the Gift, Day
of Honor, the Raven Scientific Method, Year of Hell Part
one concerning Flight, Mortal Coil, Message in a Bottle, Hunters,

(52:44):
the Killing Game one and two, the Omega Directive, Living Witness,
the Hope and Fear, and yeah, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
So those are all decent, uh, I will I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Well, maybe we start with how we ended, because that's
going to dictate, Like I mean, we had mentioned do
we want to view of hell versus hope and fear
with the promise of getting back?

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Wait, if we compromise. Year of Hell Part one is
how we end it? But then where do we put
hope of fear? Like we move it like in the middle,
just get right, or we could cut it. I mean
it does go nowhere. I've already forgotten what hope and
fear is.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
That's why I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
That's the dumbest one.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Okay, Oh no, no, no, yeah, that would be like
the penultimate one.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yeah that was the original finale.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, yeah, i'd say penultimate one so like that and
you're like, oh, okay, and then next one is like
dun dumb, big budget.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Right, Okay, I'm fine with that. You're fine with that, Danielle. Yeah,
marks for me, because.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Then we lose Year of Hell Part two to the
next season. Right.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Well, I was already not listing you, so we haven't
saved anything off of our list.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
We concerning plate, we can cut it.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
A mega directive is my if he I'm willing. I'm
willing to give up Mortal Coal, even though I think
that's it's good, but I'm willing to give that up
if need be. I'm fine getting rid of a mega directive.
They didn't use it in Discovery like we said they
should have, So okay, mega Directive's gone. And then uh
scientific no, not scientific method concerning.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Flight Okay again I forgot that's the Da Vinci one.
If you all want to save it, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
I mean my choice, I'm fine chopping it.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah, okay, So I would say scientific method or mortar coil,
both I think are very good, but I'm willing to
lose one of them.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Oh what do you think, daniel I was going to
say scientific method just because nothing comes out of it
that I can remember specifically. That's important. That's fine. I don't.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
I mean, there's a little bit of Blana Tom where
they at the end they're like, was this? But we
still get more of that later.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
There's a little bit of Blona and Tom like in
every episode of.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Yeah You're kind of weak.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Mortal Coil is the stronger sci fi of the two.
I think deals with the deeper issue. Okay, sorry, scientific
method been cut. Okay, what are we down to? One?

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine ten. That's
double check two.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
I know I was trying to get to there. Okay,
that's ten. But now the main question that is including
killing gay killing game? So do we count Darius one?

Speaker 2 (55:55):
You have to talk to the network that you're funding
eleven episodes and counting it as ten.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
The uh, the actors aren't gonna be happy.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
True, true, I mean we could. We're just uh, we're
saving the budget from we trimmed we trimmed down. You know, well,
message about we have to build a whole ship, so
everything's expensive.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Trying to think of the body episode for the art Yeah,
well I'm trying to think what why why did they
make the killing game? Like that big kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
What's the other big board?

Speaker 1 (56:41):
It must be like a mid season something or it
was mid season. Oh sweet, I forgot about sweeps. Yeah
was his March of ninety eight. Yeah, because they did
it again.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Because there's a Boord Movie episode. It's not Scorpion and
it's not You to Matrix, but there's a No. Or one.
It's a Boord Movie episode. And I can't remember off
the top of my head that was one that was
unimtric zero. I think was it.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Okay, I'll take your word for it. I just can't remember.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
I think it was.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
We can cut that one.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
No, that's not in this season. But yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Giving people a sneak peak of season six or whatever.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
That is Dark Dark Front Tier.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
That was a movie basically, that's right. And did schoogle it?
That's right? That's right. All right, So we're keeping killing
game even though it's killing our budget. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
You got to bring in those World War two efficionados
target demographic and then then Enterprise is like, you know,
we already have these uniforms.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Guys, Remember when Nazis were fun for your TV show
and every time.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Star Trek puts an alien in a Nazi uniform.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Somebody gets Daniel to Jerry a little bit. I don't know,
all right, So I think so once again our list
of ten, we start with the Gift, having we start
with the Gorpian Part two, a extra long finale of
season three.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
So we start with the Gift.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Hey, special guests Kess because she's not gonna be here
the rest of the season, getting out of her buddy.
Then we have Day of Honor. We get a nice
ejected warp Core and learn a little bit about ourselves
than in the Raven.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
We learn even more about our brand new Borg crewmate
and how terrible her parents are. Can I move the
Raven up one? Because I feel like the Gift is
a gift, it's needed, but it's not a strong I
think we need a second strong opening, and I think
the Raven kind of brings more of a Hey, here's
this thing Borg we've introduced.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
All all right, I'm fine with that. I mean, it
moves it from episode six, episode three, so not not
super big shift, but all right. So we had Raven
Day of Honor. Then we don't have a year of
hell because we're saving.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
That mortal coil Neelix dies, then Message and a bottle
but a fun doctor episode.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Then we get Hunters establishing the Herogian new alien, followed
by well we already had eights for seven to two.
Oh yeah, I see, which is a erosion. Yeah, And
then we followed that up immediately by the Killing Game
lots of herosion. So we're so dripping with herosion. They're
everywhere all in on Herogian.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Yeah, are you sure you want to do that? We
don't have enough seven put actors all in on erosion now.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
I'm also, what's the next episode? So we may want
to move that up Living Witness, that's the living witness
between Hunters and Killing Game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
You gotta dilute the potency of herosions of this Orogion.
We don't want to be like, you know straight all right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
We'll be like Voyager made it back? Did they question mark?
This has I mean you want to talk about a
bottle episode? This literally has no effect on the entire
and we get back Herogion have taken over the Voyager
while the Doctor was daydreaming about the year seven hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
All right, Killing Game, and then we.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Wrap up the season. So yeah, we jumped from what
was a episode eighteen two, Episode twenty six Hope and Fear. Oh,
we're gonna make it home, guys, just kidding. It was
a board trap, well not a board trap, but a
trap that led to the board. And then we end
on a high note with Year of Hell Part one.

(01:00:50):
Things are going really bad, guys, like, you're gonna have
to renew us for at least another year to find
out what happens. We promise we won't reset right after this,
we promise, we promised, Just kidding. Our our our star
trek fingers were crossed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
To see. It would be interesting if they did it,
because with killing game, you have the ship kind of
in tatters, and then you have I forget the name
of that's of it every time Hope and Fear.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Where Oh yeah, there's this other ship we could go
to and we don't even have to repair the ship.
Oh great, great choice.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Started a whole ship for us just to hop on
and not ask questions because then it's like a little
more attractive. And then in the You're of Hell, it's like, ah, crap,
there goes the ship. Things are bad, all right, Well
that's yeah, it'd be interesting to now I kind of
want to watch Year of Hell again and feel like,

(01:01:50):
how does it feel in the exact middle? I forget
how the I forget what the cliffhanger is like, I
forget when it cliffhangs, when it cuts. That's a good question.
I don't remember either. That's all right, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Well that is our ten for ten ish a Star
Trek Voyager season four. We'll probably revisit this again at
another time with another season, not a newer season, guys,
because those are already whittled down to ten. We don't
even have to do this exercise. But there's still enterprise
and even TOS if we wanted to touch on it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Yeah, that season four was yes, yeah, good, good point,
good point. All right. Well, if someone wanted to find you,
Philip and ask you about your season four of TOS,
question mark, where would they find you? They can find
me in an animated universe on Instagram at capts FUFP.

(01:02:57):
That is the right answer.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
And Daniel, if someone want to define you and add
in add up all of the Lower Decks episodes into
a full twenty two episode season, where would they find you?

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
They can find me on the internet at one Up Down.
That's the number one, as in, I can't believe that
you're using Killing Game is only one episode, but that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
That's fine, that's all right. And if someone wanted to
find me to talk about science fiction and how Killing
Game is totally one episode as God intended, but not
Alix as God, they can find me at doctor sci
Fi dot com d R sci Fi. I'm Darren Moser,

(01:03:42):
I'm Philip Kilphis.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
I'm Dangel Prue.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Stranded here quibbling over semantics on City Alpha three