348 - Prodigy Season Two Recap

Star Trek: Prodigy Season Two Overview

The kids are back! "Prodigy" has been on a wild road - there was a substantial break between the first and second halves of the first season, then it was unexpectedly cancelled and then dropped from Paramount+, and then there was a quest to find someone to host a second season (which had already mostly been completed). But Netflix finally took on this young audience-targeted Trek animated series in 2024 and premiered the second season (after an errant French slip-up). What do we think?

The trio look at how the kids are doing, from new storylines, returning Voyager-era characters, new enemies, and how a bigger number of episodes (compared to other 21st Century shows) allows for different storytelling. From the Voyager-A to the temporal headaches of a returning USS Prodigy, from two-parters to a shocking way to end the season (series??) ... and then there's Wesley Crusher! There's a lot to cover and more to hope about the future of this series. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Nerd Party.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Darren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphus, I'm Daniel Prue and.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
This is City Alpha three.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, and welcome to City Alpha three, a Star Trek
podcast here on the Nerd Party. I'm Philip, joined by
Darren and Daniel. Gentlemen, it's been a a newsy uh
in the October here with the New York Comic Convention
tends to be the I guess Star Trek News time

(00:43):
of the year. Yeah, I feel like there's one other time,
but this is I guess.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Mostly it San Diego.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
He usually always gets some sort announcements, but they didn't
have much this year.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
But yeah, but New.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
York, there's a there's a grab bag, so I mean,
we don't necessarily have to do go one by one,
but I guess, Darren, any one or two's that jumped out?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Good or bad for you?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
I mean, I yeah, it's most of us kind of
rolled over my head. But I did watch the tiny
clip from Lower Decks where you know, surprise alternate mirror
universe but not that mere universe. You know, it's like, hey,
Lower Decks has done this, but it's a I think
this one's going to be a little bit more of

(01:27):
an interesting thread as it's talking about what captain Becky Mariner,
who's like a Captain Freeman, Becky Freeman. That's right, that's right.
So I think it's gonna open up some discussion.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Between her and her mom, and that's what Lower Decks
is all about.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Specifically, specifically the communication issues. But we've seen all that before,
didn't we. I watched the clip and I'm like, we
already saw this. I feel like or maybe we have.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
A shorter clip. Yeah yeah, but I.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Mean like there was no new information given or any
like jokes or anything I have. I don't even know
what we get out of this, but okay, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah I did heart good jokes on you. It wasn't
a rumor.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
It was more like a wishful thinking, and it was funny.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
It was what was it?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
So people were saying, like, okay, so what if it
was quote unquote canceled for the final season like Star
Trek five Final Frontier, But then they somehow surprised us
with the Undiscovered season that comes.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Back one more and I'm like, I would love it.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
I don't think it's happening because you know, they need
actual people to make the show.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
They can't just surprise everybody. But you know, we can dream,
we can dream.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I do love how they've embraced the Star Trek five
marketing because obviously the posters like the movie, but.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
The share was ya share like was it was? It
like ye, theaters will have.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Seat belts or having seat belts installed now, and it's
like home home living rooms are having seat belts and
stuffed but yeah, it's one for like they I love, Man,
I want to talk about like new marketing, lower decks
I think has won the for all the New Trek
that's going on right now. Like I can't think of

(03:16):
the last The only piece of Discovery marketing I could
think of is like the first like those posters where
it was like ninety nine percent of them, like with
the chevron, you know, the Star Trek chevron in the back,
Like that's all I can think of, But not much
beyond that.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, Daniel, any news that hit you on where or
the other we.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Just we.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
You know, we talked a little bit in the past
couple of weeks about what's coming up in the future
and stuff, and they already have now renewed for whatever
it's worth. But they've renewed the Academy Show for season two,
so you know whatever. I guess we are getting more
live actually star treks, so at least the star trek
cogs are turning and continuing to turn.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I mean they've done that with other shows, Like I say,
they like television does that? It's not uncommon before I
kind of wonder, well, yeah, we're before it air is
and I'm like, is it I'm like, which way is
it going?

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Is it? Man? This show is really good? We got
to keep it going? Or is it?

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Like, Man, we've spent so much money, Like, we can't
get any sort of return if we don't do at
least two seasons. And it's not that much to do
two seasons versus well, twenty episodes.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Guys, I remember back.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
When twenty two twenty six episodes was a season.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
That's basically what they're doing. That's what they're doing anyway.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I wonder if it's a I mean, this is slightly cynical,
but it's also just reality. I wonder if it's i'll
get this word wrong, cost familiarization. I'm stumbling through that
of just saying like, you spend all the money up
front but then it's for two seasons. So then you say, well,
you know, we've built all these sets, but it's for
as you say, if we're saying it's gonna been since
for a season twenty episodes, and then it's like, well,

(05:02):
we've aamiliarated our costs because we're not right, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
I'm pretty sure they're going to be reusing as much
as they can from the Discovery sets, so it's not
like they're starting from square one.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
And it seems to me and again, look, we've no
one's seen anything, so we have zero thing to judge, praise, critique.
But it like from all the steps and announcements like this,
they're planning the flag in the Academy show, Like this
is like the new Discovery that the you know, Discoveries
was the first show and they planned everything around it
and then you know, different things happened. But this is

(05:36):
going to be like the show because I mean, you see,
I mean I don't want to like use this tag,
but it's.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Almost like a flagship.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, what's gonna be the prestige show? Because like you're
looking at this casting and I'm like, they are investing
in this thing, like it is not you know, because
they already have had like Paul Giamatti and I forget
who the new person they are now touching on it.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
What's her name? Yep?

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
I mean like they're throwing some names down for this
that they are spending money on this one.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
So does does that make Stranger Worlds the DS nine
Redheaded step Child that?

Speaker 1 (06:11):
You know?

Speaker 3 (06:12):
It kind of feels like it the better show. I
mean haven't seen Academy yet, but you know what I mean,
like the one that everyone kind of once you love it,
you love it?

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, that is strange to me.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
I don't I don't know the numbers that the executives
are saying, and there may obviously know more than we uspons,
but it's like, I don't know if Strange Rubles was
really like, oh, it's the show the fans created. I mean,
may or may not of it as far as like,
oh did they know they were gonna do this? But
like I felt like even in the first season more
so like there was like a lot of good buzz,

(06:48):
at least on the fans side about it. And I'm
not that I'm saying like people didn't like the second season,
but just wasn't as buzzy, but it would mean like
it's the buzziest show of I think of the franchise.
I mean even we can say like oh we love
lower decks or producty, but like, I think Stranger Worlds
has the most buzziest of all the shows, and to me,
isn't the flagship. So it's like, okay, well, well they

(07:10):
take it. They'll take it for granted.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
I like what you said though, Philip about you know,
how how much did fans birth the show into being?

Speaker 1 (07:21):
And I think.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
My guess is what, Yeah, I'm sure there was a
little bit of nudging like oh hey, we oh man,
people are really liking this pipe character, Oh this is
this backdoor quote unquote pilot or whatever. But I think
it also was at that point we were what season.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Two or three of Discovery at that time too, they
came out season two.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah, so the the Trek machine is running at full speed.
Meaning to spin off a show, that's when you do
it because you have you know, you're at max you know,
production departments, and it's like, okay, we'll take take you
guys over there and spit off and go build us

(08:05):
another ship, but repurpose this set and do this, you know,
So all I'm saying, I guess my point is that
the economics worked, So I'm sure that was a factor.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
May not be the only factor, but it's a factor.
You're saying.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
It would be crazy than to do a spin off
of a character from like four years later after the
last time they appeared, and that premiere in January twenty
fourth as Section thirty one the TV.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Movie, Like, that'd be weird, right, that doesn't.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Count movies different, it's just it's different.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, them doubling down on Sex thirty one. I saw
the branding now it's like very yellow. I don't know,
it's I still don't particularly isn't care Section.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Thirty one is supposed to be black, Like, isn't that
the whole thing that?

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well, like Blert and well it was black on yellow
Blaack Madges.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Okay, saying something like contrast Sloan World. I'm just saying,
it's like back like Batman, you know, right, like he's.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Here, it'll be working black and very dark gray. But
this is going to be more Batman and Robin of
the Black Man.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Okay, all right, I guess so I will say I
was just gonna say that at the very least, I'm
looking forward to not hearing about it anymore once it's
out pretty soon. So you don't love it, Daniel, Maybe
I don't think so, but maybe it is. You know,
we'll see.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, we never judge a trek before it's time, so.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
I guess it starreadys kind of being dubbed the suicide
squad of Star Trek.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
We'll see.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
I mean the marketing, which I mean marketing is not product,
but it does like, oh, this is the crazy.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Zany violiny you someone, We'll see, We'll see. Yeah, that
was more or less all the news.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
There was sort of a part from in why uh
the con news, but kind of in parallel and just
in passing mention, this is not the official name, but
this is what I'm calling it. The Deep Cut line
of action figures has been announced and it's.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Uh, I don't even know if I can name off
the top of my head.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
I think it's like six of them or more than
that maybe, but it's it's different. It's not main characters,
which is fine because yeah, you don't know if you
do have a card data at seven and Kirk and
Spot every time.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
That's fine. I wanted another card Data seven Kirk Spot.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
But like some of them, I'm like, oh, oh they
like wayun right and like oh people go crazy over that.
But then they have Valorus, you know val Chris from
Star Trek three?

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Remember her? What? You don't remember her? What? Like? Who's
asking for that one? Wait? Who is Falchrius Star Trek? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
She is the I think just cling on or not,
but the woman that's on the ship that gets and then.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Gets love and then you get shot.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, that's a whole trying to remember
off the top of my head because there's two vics.
You know what everyone was asking for.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
An interesting one. I'm not saying that's a that's a
middle over the road like criticisms.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
That's that is they're trying to get people to get
into the old forms and stretch out them fingers and
let's see if we can get this thing settled once
and for all.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
There's Jellico, which I get because Jellico has kind of
become the stand in admiral I mean for Prodigy, for
we see his name thrown around a lot, So that
was the.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Name that because I'm sitting here thinking, I mean other
than I'm not counting collectors, even though I'm sure that's
the bulk of who their buyers are going to be.
But like regular people quote unquote fans, well, I mean
even those those fans are are an elite group of nerds.
But anyway, I'm like, who's it going? Like you know
what was missing on my shelf, Captain Jellico, Like, I

(12:03):
just don't know that. I'm not.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
You guys. Yeah, well you have Rachel Garrett from the Enterprise.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Seat would be I would get that one. I get
that one. That makes that makes sense? Wayun Yeah, wasn't
there a guy from Star Trek two, Cod.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Preston, the non canonical Scotti's nephew that died.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Oh oh yes, yes, yes that's right. Which you know,
I don't know what they were doing with that one. Well,
it's it's again, it's not a terrible choice. I know
that's a weird one, Savo. Yeah, which both of them,
either of them, I don't know. Yeah, it's true. Or
even Valarius Valerius would be a deep cut.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
That would be I mean, over vel Chris, I would
do Valerius. If we're just trying to like, I mean,
like Kim Coatrell, Star Trek six. She's, you know, a
secondary character of the movie other than someone who's in
a Star Trek movie for a two minutes.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
I mean, I mean claw from like Star Trek five.
It would have been something you know, we joked earlier.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
You know about this and you know the the wheel
of choice that you know the executives liked.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
X Okay, no take back seats. We gotta but it it.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
It feels like there's direction behind it, but I can't
find the path.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
So we'll just.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
Somebody's somebody is watching Star Trek episodes at random, and
whatever they watch, that's what is getting released.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Agents not on the phone be like, hey, my client
was in a Star Trek two.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Can you do a figure for them? You know? But again,
I don't want to be complaining. Is like we have
complained that nothing is coming out of Start. I mean
we also complained.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
I mean, we complain a lot, but but we we
also would complain if all of them were like Bridge
crew members.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
That we all have already, Like that was another one.
They're gonna have Captain Sulu one. Okay, I'm gonna tempted.
It's gonna be my favorite. Actually not a bad light up.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
You know I'm not gonna get all of them, but
like it's you know, I could see, uh, if you
had your Excel size enterprise see and put a Rachel Garrett.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Next to it. That's a nice little combo on the shelf.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
See, this is the idea because this will segue into
this one thing and then we can actually talk about
their topic. But like they also announce another company whose
name I don't remember or now new Ships, not Eagle
Moss but like like that and it's mostly a card
discovery line. But like they I mean, if they should

(14:47):
do all these ship subscriptions, I'm like, do action figure subscriptions.
That'd be perfect because then we can get to these
hairy mud figure like I don't know, Okay, that the
deep cut, I'll go for it.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Why not, Like how much would you pay for a
star Trek like a monthly you get one a month
or maybe like one tiny little one in the size one.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
The press police I think was was vague, but like
it seems thirty dollars range. And I'm like, because they're
not Playmate, they're taller, I think.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, they're they're like six nice quality.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, I mean, I subscriptions are will probably much for
my current you know, income of zero as a student.
But I mean, you know, you know, if it's and
again this one because even Eagle Moss's subscription technically, and
then even this new company is too I'm like, I'll
do one onesie ties, but like.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I'm not doing it. Yeah, I'm kind of wanting to
get the the Enterprise G and the It's it's the
name of Daniel. Daniel. They're offering both, and that's to me,
that's that's smart money.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
No later Enterprise G. And I'm like, you are a genius,
my friend, because they will pay for both of them.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Even it's you know, it's got it's got the eat
transfer on the top one you eat it up with
your thumb and the numbers change. But the no, they
have the sacand class the what A can't the Stargazer
and that's the one I want. I would love an
excel of that. That was my favorite new ship from
the four Glorious nes Cells.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
But I can't.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
I can't get over Dann the Soapbox. Yes, but the
only thing I couldn't get over is I don't know
who was taking the pictures. But the one for the
Enterprise G, they had and I've seen this done with
lots of Eagle Moss type ships with the base where
they have the clips that are supposed to the clip

(16:44):
why is supposed to like hug the ship and clip
onto the saucer and they clip it onto the cells
like the selp. So it's like floating and I get it.
You might think it goes together that way, but it doesn't.
So it looks it looks odd, but hey, it's not
the worst thing. It's only all the promotional material for

(17:04):
your brand new.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Line of ships. That's all I'm gonna say.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Which and again with that line, this is not a criticism.
This is it's gonna be sort of like a a
you know, half a compliment. I'm glad that they're not
doing the usual and they are doing the new. It's
not for me, but I mean, I think that's good.
That's the way to go, because like I think one
of the ones listed is Prodigy, and I'm like, oh,
totally one hund would go for that one. But it
was nice to sort of see them going in that

(17:28):
it's the new direction. There's not gonna be the NCC
sevent to one or the d or that it's gonna
be all twenty first century Star Trek ships.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
So you know, I hope it goes.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
I mean, you say new company, but like the bases
all match. It feels like they just called up the
same company and in China are like, hey, can you
just keep keep doing what you're doing, but now put
this logo.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
On the box. Just slapping a logo? All right?

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Well, my my forest and totally natural segue of Prodigy
is we are talking Prodigy season two, much delayed conversation
to prepare. But speaking of delays, that's Prodigy, Oliver from It.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Came out of July.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
It's only been a few mid seasons. The first season
to Cancelation one.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Come out.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
October twenty twenty one. Ok, wow, three years ago. And
then there was a break before the mid.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Season fourteen month break until episode two and then.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah and Yeah Part two from February twenty two through
finish to October twenty twenty two. Yeah, and then we
had a break from December twenty two to July twenty
four for season.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Kids watching season one are now in stage out a
new generation, new generation kid. It's a bigature. They definitely
don't remember the nuances and plot and story details from.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
How many times? How much?

Speaker 2 (19:02):
How long was there between Harry Potter books? Are we
are you about the Are we getting in the Oh?

Speaker 4 (19:06):
I don't know. I didn't read them as they were
coming out. Fortunately I was able to read them back
to back to back to back, so that was nice
for me.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
But yeah, so we I don't have all the stats
in front of me, per se, I think what twenty episodes?
I think's off the top of my head.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
You know, we.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Prodigy is the only modern Star Trek show so many
to the episode order of the episode number, They're like, no,
we can't do ten, that'd be crazy.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, both seasons have had twenty episodes. I meach they
are twenty Yeah, twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
I will say, probably didn't need them all. Definitely think
maybe you could have cut a few of them. Definitely
could have custed the Star Wars episodes where everybody was
in X wings. Oh yeah, you definitely could. I don't
think you could have done fifteen and been fine.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
And maybe there's a lot to unpack in that back
half of season two. I feel like as the second
half of season two was.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Much more.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Part one, part two, Part one, part two, part three,
like you you would have to watch those as pairs.
There's no way you're gonna be like, oh, you know what,
I want to watch just the first part of last
fight of the Protoside. It's like, no, you're gonna watch
all of it.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Well, let's just do general thoughts and then we'll go
by our little list here.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
So, Daniel, what.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
You either of itself compared to season one?

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Whatever? Whatever you want? What did you think of season two?

Speaker 4 (20:36):
I like, legitimately cannot remember season one that much of it.
I just remember them finding I remember all the parts
that are in the montage at the end because they
were in this season and I have just big memories
of it. It was okay. There's a couple of really
cool stuff, like and a couple of times that I
laughed loud. I thought it was great. There's a couple

(20:57):
of annoying, frustrating parts. I'm really disappointed to see that
we got a infinite fleet coming out of a dimensional
rift ending season ender, like really disappointed that it was
essentially just copy pasting fleet coming through dimensional wormhole to
end all the universe and the stakes. Didn't like the

(21:17):
steaks again, this was all of space and time that
was as it was was at threat and only these
kids can save us, and I hate everything about that.
But you know, i'd say I probably enjoyed it more
than I didn't. But we'll get into it. Wesleys, the
Westley stuff really weird, just not what I expected a

(21:38):
traveler to be doing. I don't really know what his
purpose was other than I don't know. There was just
a lot of it that was just weird to me.
It's just I don't they went directions that I didn't
think they would go into. But we'll talk about it.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, He's just an adventure in time and space, Dar
what about you?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (21:54):
No, Overall I liked season two as well, I mean
different vibe. Yeah, I'm trying to think back to the
part one I did, like, you know, the temporal mechanics
one on one. Like I would say the best thing
about Prodigy is it didn't shy away from kind of

(22:14):
a little bit of lower decksiness where it could like, hey,
this episode like they're going to try new things, or
this episode is going to be told in this kind
of format, or like you know, it's still a story,
but but they're going to have a lot of fun
with it.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
And you know, I.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
It did feel like a season two, though there's lots
of payoff in in the characters in their growth. I
do feel though if there was a reoccurring trope of prodigy,
it's uh, you know, especially when we're on the on
the Voyager A. You know, they'll be like, yeah, but

(22:53):
Starfleet's calling us back because you know, we're we shouldn't
do this, But then some new riggle happens and we
have to go. We're the only ship that's close enough
like it basically we're with you.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, it's it's just one of those.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
But there was just like, hey, we have to remind
people that there is Starfleet out there and there is
a chain of command, but you know, in situating circumstances,
blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
You know, it just it just happened a lot, which
isn't bad.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
It's just they I'm glad that they kind of hat
tipped to it, because that's all we really got. But uh,
you know, it's like they're like, we can't go rogue again.
It's like you can't we I'm sure we can't if
we want to. But I also did like, uh, oh,
what's her name? Adding the Vulcan to the mix that mage.

(23:48):
Oh yeah, of course I could majee, yeah, where did
that name come from? But no, overall, I think, uh
I even liked you know, the Chacote episodes, Like I
really like Tokta as a character. Well sorry, I mean
that more in winning Standing on the Island. So yes,

(24:08):
yeah I did say that, but uh, you know, we
grow his character and it's yeah, I really liked what
they did. I think they were very creative. You know,
the kids got to do a lot of cool stuff.
I should have seen it coming at the very end,
like of course they're gonna end up back on a

(24:29):
brand new protest, Like that's.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
The point of the show. You can't have a show
without the kids on the Protostar under j Waye's command.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
That is like that is the formula called Star Trek Prodigy,
which threw me off for season two.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I'm like, but the ship's destry, right, And then it's
like you're gonna see I'm like, okay, that's how they're
bringing it back, right.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
But and then yeah, I mean not to talk about
the end first, but like and they're like, hey guys, yes,
where we are in Federation history? Oh, I just you know,
the attack and the SP's uprising.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
It's like, oh my gosh, you know how we're ending
this fun children's series nine eleven.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
That's what it was. Guys. I'm like, okay, well here
we go season. Wait what do you mean? No, No,
the door, the door is open. They could they could
continue if they really wanted to. Hope they do, but I.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Don't think so. I don't think it's happening. I think
that they wrapped it up that way specifically. Uh, because
like the last if you only watched those last ten minutes,
then yeah, it looks like it's a like sort of yes,
but they don't have.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
That ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
It's literally shooting themselves in the foot because they are
closing the door.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, you're right. They had the montage like it was
a finale.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
It was wrapping up.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
It was very wrapping up.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I just speaking of tropes, and this is not necessarily
Prodigy's fault.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Though I don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I don't think none of us watched the end of Discovery,
but I think you're aware of how it ended. I
think with Admiral Michael that's her name, and I don't
know if you saw like she was at the house
with you know, Booker and their child, I mean grown child,
but anyway, and then I'm thinking of the beginning of
Strange New Worlds, like literally episode one, I'm like, how

(26:19):
many times will start trek do the I've retired.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Or I've resigned or I've whatever. And the shuttle lands
in the front yard was retired for like all of
five minutes.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
All of five minutes, we heard a dog mark and
she planted like two plants.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
And then she was like, son of a I need
to go off grid.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Where where did the where did the Rikers Ricker Troy's
settle down?

Speaker 1 (26:43):
They need to go there.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
She was still wearing your uniform. I think, right, wasn't she.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Was in She was in Civilian.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
I was gonna say, because Plank at least had a
chance to grow a beer, right, so he had a
couple of weeks at least. I don't think Janew.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Had that long kind of like grown or hair or something.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, you talk about Big Brother Starfleet. They're like, Yo,
you didn't answer your hail, so we just sent a
shuttle to land on your lawn. It's like, you can't
get away.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
We know where you are.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Sorry, Yeah, And I just have a random list that
we don't have to have to go any kind of
order here. But I mean, I just wanted to to
follow up on Michelle I did not see. I mean,
we all know by now from Lower Decks and everything else.
You know, you always need to add a vulcan to
make your series better. So that's just that's just established
now and female that's true. It's kind of RIGHTEO.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Zero's love interest as the purpose of that. I'm like, okay, well,
there you go.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
It's so it's really subtle, like it's not.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Like it is very sud it's very low key.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
At the end when they are like two fingers, I'm like,
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait wait.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
No, because they definitely be longing. We look at each
other a whole bunch and like you're you're in the beginning.
I was sort of confused why she kept tagging along,
and then of course they gave her like Wesley gave
her the pep talk, and then then it makes sense.
But like I was like, okay, now I see it,
like she there there's a thing going on there, which
is fine, that's cool, Okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I mean, I mean I've sort of there's no reason,
but I sort of like assumed that, you know, medusins
are probably asexual, you.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Know, when you can't touch in your we don't even
know how which was that.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Was her whole story Zero's I say he that was
the Zero's whole storyline about touching, which I thought was
sort of a you know, not everyone has a stuck
I'm looking at my figures there. Not everyone had a
storyline per safe for season two. Zero probably had the
biggest as far as like.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, there was whole episodes about Zero. Yeah, like the
planet of Zeros and you know, making bodies and all
of that. I did. I did like their use of like,
oh I can age like super long and be fine.
I thought she was gonna turn into the cloud at
the beginning, and that's how. But then obviously then I remember,

(29:11):
oh wait, non corporeal, that you can't touch anything, so
of course that doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
But yeah, I hated it that I got spoiled because
you know, I was watching at my own pace and
I'm start tring dot calm or.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Something was like, oh here, look, what did you think
of Zero's new body. I'm like, okay, well I didn't
see that episode.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yet well it makes you feel the better. The new
body very close to the old body, unless you talk
about the human form. Then yeah, the human form, well
that only lasted two episodes anyway, so it doesn't really.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Life along in that.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Right, Yeah, no one, I think because yeah, like you said,
wrapping up, I felt like Murph actually like evolved. Murph
finally grew on me. It took a while because I
loved version one Murph and I was.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Like what is this is? This is a downgrade, like
what what are we? What are we doing? But no,
I think, uh yeah, it usually did stuff. You know.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
I did love the because it's one of those things
like it's it's just part of it and so you
don't think about it like the whole. They really got
intent of like how can we understand Murph? You know,
and then you had that's basically was the whole and
you get the whales, which, by the way, Daniel, because
I know you were gonna complain about this, I'm gonna
say one of my favorite parts about the Mayor episode.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
That's a scar over its eye and it's like like
they are here alert it's like what.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Get into it? But definitely one of my favorite highlights
of the season was actually Cetations and dare I say
they do it better than than Lord Dex does.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
It was really I mean every time I saw a
voyager a master system display and they have that giant
room and I'm like, what is Oh, that's right, it's
where the whale is.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
I'm like, why is there such a giant room in
the middle of this ship? It's like okay, okay, and.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Like, I mean, I'm not sure a hundred still understand it,
but I don't have to. I did like it was
sort of like check Off's whale because which is not
a Star Trek Coort reference, because it's like I could
just accept that, Okay, it's a whale. We don't you know,
it's cool. And then like the last episode of like
ah they do navigation, remember that was great?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Well it was named Gillian, which is really sweet.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
So yeah, and I almost want like they didn't actually
have the whale say this, but I could picture it
saying like activate you know, whale tactile influence, like I'm
assuming it was as it was swimming, it was steering
the ship, which was really cool, like visually, like I
too want to fly through el Car's tunnels.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
It sounds sounds amazing.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
I love it. It's my favorite. It has a highlight
on the whole season for me. I thought that was
the coolest thing that they.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Did start dot com to do a article of coolest
ways to fly the ship and you have like the
joystick from Star Trek insurrect.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
And then the way like a couple others too. But
like so sorry, I cut I cut you off, Dediel No,
I just like that.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
That was cool.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Well, I guess we'll just do storylines quick a lot, Gwynn.
I mean a storyline, but not per se, like a
internal storyliners and more. I'm lost in time a storyline
and an external like I need to keep phased in
this world. Look, time travel is always going to mess

(32:40):
with stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
But I think I was gigging.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
That's not a word on some of the implications of
the season, because I guess my problem was they've interacted
with present what's your planet.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Called Slalom, that's not what it's called or something.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Whatever with her home planet. How does her dad, who
is good in the present now going to be the
evil one in the future, because you have to have that,
as you know, I feel like They're like, oh, we
have to make the ship the same way it was,
so then nothing will be affected, got it. But we've
totally contaminated the present planet that will not be the

(33:20):
one in the future. To send everyone back in time.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
I'm like, okay, yeah that is true. Like like, where
does the Diviner come from? Ye? Like he does he
exist right now? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:31):
It's they feel like you said, they set the protostar back,
but they really should have wiped out everything that's happening
right now, like they there was no reset of the present.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
Well we didn't. Also, we don't see what happens to
the planet. I don't think they don't think they show
it after the reset, So I'm not actually sure what
does happen. And maybe the case that he's the evil
guy comes back and it's just the way it is.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
No, I think he's the good guy. He's like one
of the new leaders.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
But yeah, because he starts the uprising and then you
know the final Fantasy seven character government, you know, they're like, yeah,
we support you too.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Yeah, the voyager through the tunnel, which they go for
the we don't see him after that. I don't think
do we do we see anybody on the planet. After that,
she doesn't go back to the planet. They don't. They
just leave, They just go to back to Earth. I
don't think we see after that.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah, we don't. We don't see after that. You're right,
but I a suit. But he even has like talks
with the people of like these are our new friends.
Like I got the impression that in present.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Time they are now the meeting. I know, I know. Sorry, sorry,
everything with the Voyager is present time. Yeah, but yeah,
I know, I know what you mean.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
And this is a kids show, by the way, just just.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
But we taught the kids to real mechanics one on one,
so yeah, that's true. We we spelled we or they
were going to need it, and though did we know
how much we were gonna need it?

Speaker 2 (35:09):
So yeah, I mean not that it was, but I
mean as far as Gwinn is just more like I
gotta care about this, I mean, she cared about her
people of course, but and her dad well, and.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Gwinn's character was interesting in that they it's like they
kept having to find reasons for her not to just
leave and go help her people and be away from
the group, like they they that was the hardest thing
is they probably wrote themselves into this corner where they're like, well,
let's just have Wisley say you can't split.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Upause otherwise have to be together. They're already gonna split up,
and that's what would happen naturally.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
But yeah, I mean, maybe it's because I finished this,
you know, a month ago, and y'all just watch it.
But I don't think this anyone necessarily had, Like I
don't think dall other than like, to me, he didn't
have a think everyone has to have one, per se.
But he didn't have a storyline until like you got
a kernel of one where he had the future vision right,
and that bothered him, and then he worked his way
through it and then.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
You know, I did.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
I actually really like because where he starts right, it's
like his crazy ambition is like right, he thinks he
should be the one in charge. I really like that
he settles and he does it through Chacota, where he
learns from Chacota, which is cool. It's a really cool
sort of character growth that makes sense throughout the story.
And then he comes to a point where he's like,

(36:29):
you know what, I don't need that like, and that's
maybe that's not even what I'm good at or.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
What I'm the better number one than I am the
captain at least right now.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
And it's like, yeah, it's the ultimate Chacota lesson, right exactly,
That's exactly what he looks.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Just never sit down.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
They may offer it to you. Never never look I
became a captain, I lost my whole crew. I got
it is all bad. But when I was first officer,
I just.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Rode Janeway's coattails all the way to the Alpha quadrant.
That's the lesson of Chacota. No, but you know you're
going down, you know, I just I just I just
thought it was.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
A good I like that because he's humbled in away
and like because obviously that's that was the flaw with
his character, and like I didn't I don't really feel
like that's Uh, Gwyn had a flaw like that because
she's just like her Her mistakes are so much higher
because they're like about her whole planet and stuff. So
she was she's just a natural leader anyway, so it
made sense for her to sort of pick up that.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
We developed her character much earlier, like she got over
her issues and yeah, yeah, last girls, well the same
with like, uh, you know jenk and pog he we
had already dealt with him, you know, and he had
a little bit of a progression with the with what's

(37:49):
it the other command officers like that did didn't They
saw him as a child, didn't respect him and like that.
That's where his growth came in that relationship with like
the other teller, right and Landorian.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
So yeah, it was again that's.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Why I said at the beginning, it's a very season
two season, meaning you know, there's there's things to wrap up,
but it's we're not we're not quite lower dexing it
where we're keeping.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
The mayor the mayriner. Yeah, problem open for like three seasons.
You're like, no, just close it, just keep moving. But
I do, I do. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
I think this is probably the best place to bring
it up though, just because because we're talking about like
individual characters in them as a unit, like the whole
idea of them as a group of six and now
seven creatures. Individuals like you have to be together to
be the best, like you, like like forever, like Wesley's like,
oh no, you're going on future adventures, so like you

(38:51):
you make sure you guys always stick together, like like
Star Trek always says this problem where like even Picard
in his retiring years has to go find the seven
people he worked with thirty years previously. Those specific seven
people were the best seven people he ever worked you
know what I mean? Like this is zero man on
like your cruise like that personally to.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Keep defense to that.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
But you're right, you're right, well, not to keep you back,
not to keep going back to it. But it's like
the joke about Harry Potter, like how many friends did
you stay friends with all through high school? Like it's
an element you know, middle school in high school, like
Harry would have been hanging around with different people by
year three, you know, Oh yeah, Ron's a guy used

(39:32):
to hang around you know, but this was someone wants
to mess with everybody, and they just time Turner and
and go back to like the first time on the
train and make sure that Ron and Hermione don't sit
with him.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
And then Baltimore comes to power everything goes bad. You
know that's the moment they mess with Well, Darren, you
brought him up, So let's get into the chacote of
it all. So well, I'll just ask this blanket question.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Does The Prodigy Season two redeem Chacote for you as
a character, it does.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
For me, and and to to speak, it a little
larger than just Cha Kote. You know. I I liked
where they went a lot with this show, Like I.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Because you know, if you had told me, Okay, here's
the show, it's gonna have a lot of Chacote, it's
going to have a lot of this and that, like.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I would have been like really really, But I think
they pulled it off.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
I think stranded Chacote or even in the past time
Chacote where we see him on that mission, you know,
with his his officers, and it was a little bit
of yeah, and then he stayed on on island therapy
and learned about But no, I I mean you say,

(40:53):
did it redeem the character? Like there was they didn't
have to do much to make his character better, like
it was all uphill.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
So yeah, but I I liked it. Give him some
focus and some story love, that's all he needed.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
To give him some.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Trauma, give him some trauma and everybody some tragedy. Yeah,
that's what we mean. That's what we mean.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I have to say, because we well I say we
even you can include yourself or not always make fun
of it. It's not just Star Trek, it's all these
legacy series of like here's your favorite character who's now
old and depressed and lost everything. I think it works
well with Chakota, you know, I you know, feel sad
for that, but I mean, you know, it's it was
enjoyable because it's yeah, yeah, because he's not that old.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
I thought what they were gonna do was fix the timeline.
So he didn't do that because I was like, wow,
ten years of like survivorship guilt, like is a huge deal.
Like you can't like you can't just be happy like
go like you Chacote anymore because everybody else was dead
and he was by himself for ten years. You know,

(41:59):
he's Thomas raker uh on that planet. So you know,
I'm just saying it would have changed him.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
There's a shot of him carving into a piece of
deterium like a waterfall to remember the good times with
the Phaser the other.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
I definitely see him being a survivor, right, Like, I
definitely see him on that planet doing those things like
that totally fits for his character to say. If it
fixes I don't know, he's slightly more interesting. I think
it's pairing him up with these kids is good. I
think he's good with with children and like he's like
a good mentor for them. So I think it's probably
good for his character as well. I don't know saying

(42:40):
it fixes him is I don't know as the key way,
that's right, he didn't he didn't mention it, the Maki stuff.
He's like, I used to do things like this, but
not anymore.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Well, and again we're seeing the growth, but he's already
Captain Chakote like he had already grown when we first
met him, because it was very mysterious in the first
and and the earlier part of the season where like
all we knew was Chacote was on this ship at
some point, like we didn't know anything, Like it was
very vague and it took a long time for them

(43:13):
to reveal, you know, what his story was. And I
think I like how they handled the last flight of
the Protostar. I mean, it's the beginning of the second
half of the season, and it's because they it's a
hard line narratively to handle. Is the the sadness of

(43:38):
Chacote where he's like, you know, you have to you
have to believe that he's given up. But but there
has to be that kernel of hope that the kids
have to coax out. Like that's a hard line to straddle.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
You can't be like, here's this suicidal old guy.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah you know.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Yeah, they had the montage and we're like, okay, so
it's been a while, and then like ten years, like
oh oh dang, that's a long he's like they get
there on day ten, you know, year ten, and you
see him like, you know, what do you do with
that rope chicote?

Speaker 1 (44:13):
No? No, but do he and Rock have a moment
of like, so how long were you in your right?
It was longer than they think.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Well, and I mean fortunately he had hologram Jane Way,
but it's surprising you didn't have like a carved rock
best friend that he carried around, you know that, you
know Donald.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Wilson or he found a monkey on this point too, right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Argue one last thing didn't did the visuals of that.
I always felt like it wasn't an island. It was
like a mountaintop and the sea quote unquote was just
like the clouds that you couldn't go into, and the
and the fish were like uh like like that's that's
how I visualized because it found it. It felt very

(45:02):
alien to me, and maybe that is kind of how
it ended up being.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
The mailstream was more like a sky storm than a
water storm. But it was just a really cool visual
I will.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Say it did make it tough to root for him
when he was going to leave the only six people
that ever came to visit him in ten years, he
was just going to leave them outside and he was
going to go in that big old ship by himself.
Like I was like, like, I get being grumpy, but
you're also lonely after all that time too.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
So well, these these soft gent generation alpha's, you know,
they got to learn to how we were raised.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
And the show doesn't go into this for obvious reasons,
but I do want to mention because they do talk
about it a little bit. But what was the nature
of the relationship of Chacote and hologram.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Jay I was about the say, there is a very
long time and by the way, they do not help
themselves with how he talks to her.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
There is a tone.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
There is a tone, and I'm like, because you're because
we would make fun of it. Oh, of course, the
hologram he chose was Jane Way. But then there's someone
I'm like, okay, all right, what are we doing here?
What are we doing here? Because it was not neutral
the way he talked to her, uh and speaking. And

(46:19):
I don't know, Daniel obviously a better judge of this
as a parent of children, because you know, look, I
watched Star Trek when I was nine or ten, and
I though I would think this is almost aimed to
even younger children to as certaining, But like, as an.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Adult, the skull of a dreak stays with me.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
And I'm just like, this is a kid show, right, okay,
all right, all right, all right, yeah I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
I mean, look at you know, like, uh, what's his
name killing the board like you know in the Picard
or whatever, you know, our you know, Seven's borg Son.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
You know, it's not like that bad. But it's just like, okay,
this is a kid's show, right, yeah. I mean, honestly,
he looked.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Like a Pokemon in that in that shot to me,
like he looks he looked like a cubone or something,
you know, just but uh, yeah, no it it that
wasn't bad, Like there was nothing inherently.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Violent.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
I think most of the violence really comes from just
the character conflicts or portrayal or things like that. I mean, heck,
we go to the Mirror universe and it's pretty tame.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Like overall.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
They're like, I'm gonna they talk a lot about torturing,
but you know, there's no none of it.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
It's all talk. Nothing ever happens.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
I was a little surprised they never went into why
Jane Way has seven of nine's ocular implant.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, he's just I'm pretty sure that's what it was.
But he probably killed her probably, Yeah, but yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
That was a bit dark with the but but it
they put it at such a inspiring moment on on Jacob.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Found the skull the dead body. Yes, I'm like, yeah,
the Mikes kind of message, but all right.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Yeah, Jacob was like the wood was put his foot
in his mouth the most where it's like he's like, oh,
where's bird guy. It's like, dude, like read the room
and don't don't because they didn't talk about how long
ago he went off to do his plan, but it's.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Been a while.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Well he's all skeleton, so it's at least I'm.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Also kind of like, what creatures on this island consumed
the flesh but left the bone.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
I don't know, sir undisturbed. Yeah, yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
And then also just to jump around here, so let's
get into the crusher in the room. So Daniel, give
us your thoughts on mister Traveler himself.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Why is he wearing this?

Speaker 3 (49:07):
I did?

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Did?

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Is he wearing the same shirt in Picard, the one
that he's left in the sweater? Yeah, the yellow layered sweater.
It just bothered me. I'm like, why is he Yeah,
that's what I thought too. But anyways, I just I
thought it was weird because all we know from the
Traveler episode and I kind of forget what we learned

(49:29):
in the second travel episode. But what I remember from
the first Traveler episode is that this guy just goes
around doing interesting things with really smart people, like just
he's he doesn't like it's not like he tries to
save the universe or the multiverse or any like, none
of that comes into play. He just he comes in.
He's like, I have these abilities. I'm really good at
thinking real hard and I could make things happen. And

(49:52):
that's about it. That's all we learn. That's all we know.
And then Wesley goes off with them. Why. I just
don't get wear this whole, like you verse Hoppings, Does
he have powers some sort of magical powers that he
can do?

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Now?

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Is this a technology?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
An energy being? Mean?

Speaker 3 (50:07):
I mean you joked Philip about him being very doctor
doctor who, but it kind of tracks, you know.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
He Yeah, it's it's a whole new kind of thing
for Star Trek. So it is.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
It does feel a little out of place that we've
not seen a being like this, except for like a Q.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
But this is not a qu. This is very, very
different than shackles.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Surely would not work on him, is my point. He
definitely don't want it.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
To be shackled, did he. He said he wanted to
create the wormhole tech until I could use it.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
So I don't know what or what that's true.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
This relies on me going into my memory palace of
a card season two, which I don't want to. But
you know we have the Traveler on one side, which
you know the Traveler, and then we know Wesley joined them.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Okay, I got that. I think like you said, Dan,
I think I know what that.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
There's a rule now, okay, the Traveler species there is
not allowed to recruit humans anymore out of after Wesley,
they're just like, nope, nope, nope, nope.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Well, yeah, Wesley didn recruit a human then, so that
kind of breas And then on the other hand, you
have I forget what they're called. I'll call them guardians.
I forget that's actual name. That's the oh shoot, Gary seven, Yeah,
the guardians. And we saw the Romulin lady or not
Romulin lady whatever, and you have those. But then I

(51:30):
guess we're told they're the same. Or is it that
the guardians work for the traveler or because they've definitely
combined them now, yes, yes, because I.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Think Picard did that. I think Picard officially was like.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
But Tadler's in charge of the Guardians, and the Guardians
report to them. Travelers are not guardians because like Gary
seven is not a traveler, you know, what is he?

Speaker 4 (51:51):
I think I think it's suggested that he is, because
didn't in this episode, didn't they go to his office?

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah it wasn't, that's the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
Yeah, So I think it suggested that he is a traveler,
and it's just not named that in the episode obviously
because it was not ever thought of. But either way,
even those people or beings or organization or whatever you
want to call it, definitely don't have this sort of
level of ability or as far as I know, it's

(52:25):
just I just didn't understand what Wesley could do and
how he was able to do it, yeah, and how
he knew Leaf and why he he said. I guess
his motivation is that his mom is in this universe,
but ultimately he spends all of his time hopping universes
and fixing time problems dot dot. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
I just like I was an upset. I liked Wesley.
I felt your time lord.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
But yeah, but it definitely became the trump card of
like that We're going to use that to allow us
to do all this crazy stuff because without Wesley, half
of this show doesn't happen, So which is fine.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
I mean, they is literally the main character in the season.
He is, He gets top Billy.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
He talks to Jane Way, and he talks to Chacote
and the doctor. I just I just you and they
wanted their cake and to eat it too. Because he
could do all these things, but also at certain times
he couldn't do things like he was also scared of
those time thingies in the temple, and it's like, well,
listen if you can hop universes and stuff. I just

(53:38):
feel like, this is not a threat to you. This
is not a real thing that you need to worry about.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
And then of course at the end when six children too.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Yeah, and then at the end when the lady, the
evil Lady captures him. I guess maybe it's part of
his plan. You can say that, but he's still getting
physically hurt from it, and like he was definitely not
in control of that situation.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
And also he was.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
Also surprised by the next event that happened. So I
feel like maybe his abilities are not absolute. He can't
see all the things.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
And I don't know.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
And because it's so ill defined, I don't know if
I'm supposed to be worried or not. I just I
just didn't.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Wesley himself was fine. I will say that the you know,
Will Wheaten was Will whetoning it up, and it was fine, like,
and there were lots of callbacks to Star Trek Next
Generation and stuff like that too.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
So I was su I mean, it's one of the
things like if they didn't show it, we would now
be talking about like, well, why don't they But it's
still then when they show it, and like, I'm still
surprised that they show Beverly because like, well you would think, but.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Like I don't expect them to, but then they do.
You're like, oh, okay, they don't.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
Just show Beverly.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Yeah, I showed they talked about Jack, and of course
if they didn't, we would complain or big.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
But then they first phone call with Beverly, like nothing happens.
He's like, I can't tell you much. It's like, okay,
ed call Boop. You know. But like you said, if they.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Hadn't, would have been like Profly is around at this time,
let's let's look her up.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
But ill, Yeah, I was both surprised and say I
appreciated it that they at least tried to reconcile those things,
because like it makes sense. It makes sense that if
if somebody was in contact with Beverly that she'd be like,
oh my god, you talked to you know, you talked
to to Wesley and like, hey, let's try to have
a conversation. I'm glad they did that. That's that's that's

(55:26):
storytelling that you know, informed by the characters. And I
thought that was that was a good touch.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
So didn't he know that Jack existed? Though if he knows,
you would.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
Think he would definitely know something like that. Yeah, you
would think, but that's okay.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
And then when he'd be like, hey, I think this
kid has a borg thing at home now, then okay,
well we've been going on a bit, but there's still
some stuff to do.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
But we can just do some Uh. It's just random.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
So any final thoughts or other thoughts, Daniel, any other
thoughts or final thoughts. Don't want to rush you.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
I'll just say that the ending was a little disappointing.
I just I don't I really don't like giving kids
whole ship to go off and do their own ship adventures.
I understand this conceit of the show.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Literally, the entire plott getting this ship.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
When you're starting Star Trek online, they're like, congratulations, lieutenant,
you now have command.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Of a ship. And I'm like, okay, well that seems
a little.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
I don't like it. I don't think I think they're
too young. But whatever, it's fine. It's that's the con
of the show.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
A good thing.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
The synth uprising happened. Sure, nothing I love kids caused
that to get themselves back on the I'm just get
what is.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Star Trek's obsession with children? And this nine to eleven
event we had the if you remember the short track
right and friend you know, kids learn to make friends
on nine to eleven, and now we have like, all right,
congratulations and send the Federation sucks now, good luck.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
I love how Jelico has a literal line where he
says Starfleet is no longer aut exploration. We're gonna have
to put that on the back burner. And I'm like, wow,
this is some universe. You just wrote yourself into a corner.
This is lots of fun. And I'm like, oh, so,
because it's so weird to see that, like just just
because Picard and Prodigy have such a different tone that

(57:18):
to like see it seep into Prodigy, it's like, wow,
this sort of sours it in a way, you know
what I mean, Like it's like, I don't want to
do this in Prodigy. I get it that we have
to because that's how the story is, you know, is
being told. But so that was just disappointment. But that's fine.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Yeah, and maybe there's some redemption because well, and I
don't mean to say, you know, whatever, they have your
own opinions, but Picard presents, at least this time, a
bleak picture of what Star Trek would be during this time.
You know, if you set a series there, but you know,
Prodigy would be able to find some join in it.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
I'm sure. Yeah, what about you, Darren? Any other thoughts?

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Finally, yeah, no, just overall, you know, a great, a
great show. Like I remember at the very beginning, you know,
when we were learning about the characters and all of that,
and being like, you know, like I wanted them to
get back to the Federation, and I'm glad it only
took one season and then they were back, and then
you know, we get the Point A and we get

(58:20):
Jane Way, and.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Yeah, there's a.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Little bit of you know, it's written on the wall
of the writer's room, like they have to stay together
and they have to end up in a ship, and
so things happened to facilitate.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
That a lot. But overall, it's not the worst thing
in the world.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
We've seen weirder things I think of, you know, the yeah,
it was wartime, but the Valiant, you know, with the
fleet of cadets on a not not just a prototype
but a Defiant class ship. So yeah, overall I think
it works. These kids out right, but yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
It all worked. Yeah it does.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
It take a little bit of in universe disbelief, sure,
but overall it was a really really fun show and
and rapped up this is all we get.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
I'm satisfied with its conclusion.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah, I mean it's sad, but yes, you're you're right.
Another time travel Shenan again because I was thinking about it,
and there's a line I don't ask me which episode
it's when they have the Prodigy back, you know whatever.
I forget how but there's a line I forget who
says it someone on the Voyager crew of like, oh,
well we disabled the you know, Federation killing machine.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
And then one part of me thought, how's that? Doesn't
that affect the future?

Speaker 2 (59:53):
And then maybe what they meant because I'm thinking, I
literally thought about this just today because that was my
first thought. I thought it was today. Oh maybe they like,
so it doesn't do it now? Like now now we
don't want this now now to do this? But then
does that mean before they send it back they turned
it back on, because I mean, like that thing killed
a lot of people, and I like, I know Timeline shmimeline.
But I'm like, here's the bomb we need to turn

(01:00:16):
back on so we can send it back.

Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
I was like, oh, okay, they said they said, we
just upgraded our ana virus software and then it was fixed.
Yeah that's weird, but yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
I for some reason, I I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Taking in season one faster where season two did take
me longer, and that may just be a personal thing,
but because I mean, they're still engaging. But I just
felt like I don't like the break. But I felt
like season one the first half was like did it
leading up to this? And You're like oh, and then
the second half was like a dad And then I
felt like even though there were halves in season two,

(01:00:54):
I didn't necessarily get like the big like this is all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Leading to this, Like why didn't you go toy so?
But I mean it's not to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Say there wasn't a good story, good overarching storyline. And
like I say, Daniel, I know you're complaining these extra episodes,
but again that is the beauty of trick because I
complain the other way when they don't. So like do
we need like the time on Zebra's planet? Not really probably,
but I liked it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Do we need like, here's the Holograms fight our character's episode.
We don't need that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
But it was interesting and good, so U you know,
so no, yeah, it just is an encouraging I mean, look,
I don't get any money from this, but if you
want season three, the only way other than streaming is
to buy the season two, you know, on on hard media.
So that's the only way the financial overlords will keep

(01:01:42):
on going.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
So all right, well that's it for Prodigy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Maybe forever we'll see, but until then, I'm Philip Gilphiss,
I'm Daniel Prook, and I'm Darren moser Strand did it
here on Cetio for three

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
H