November 1, 2024 • 57 mins
Mirror Universe - Star Wars: Andor Overview
The trio enter the Mirror Universe to become a dedicated Star Wars group - looking back at the first season of "Andor."
With season two of Andor expected in 2025, three years after the first, the trio looks back at this revivial of Star Wars on TV. Disney+ brought Star Wars to streaming with "The Mandalorian". It was then followed up with "The Book of Boba Fett" and "Obi-Wan Kenobi". Some fans felt that there was still something missing - and then came "Andor" in 2022, a perhaps unexpected prequel series to the film "Rogue One."
This 12-episode series centered on Cassian Andor and his reluctant entry into the Rebellion. The trio look at the stories, characters, and structure of this series that earned critical acclaim. Does "Andor" live up to all the hype? How is it different from both the series that came before and after? What were the most memorable parts? Join us in this ... Star Wars? ... discussion.
The trio enter the Mirror Universe to become a dedicated Star Wars group - looking back at the first season of "Andor."
With season two of Andor expected in 2025, three years after the first, the trio looks back at this revivial of Star Wars on TV. Disney+ brought Star Wars to streaming with "The Mandalorian". It was then followed up with "The Book of Boba Fett" and "Obi-Wan Kenobi". Some fans felt that there was still something missing - and then came "Andor" in 2022, a perhaps unexpected prequel series to the film "Rogue One."
This 12-episode series centered on Cassian Andor and his reluctant entry into the Rebellion. The trio look at the stories, characters, and structure of this series that earned critical acclaim. Does "Andor" live up to all the hype? How is it different from both the series that came before and after? What were the most memorable parts? Join us in this ... Star Wars? ... discussion.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the net Party.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Darren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphus, I'm Daniel Prue.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
And this is City Alpha three.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Hello, and welcome to Citi offa six a Star Wars
podcast here on the Nerd Party network. I am Darren Moser,
joined as always by my fellow Star Wars fanboys. No,
you're not hearing it wrong. We're changing things up a
little bit here on Citi Alpha three. You know, I
(00:48):
went through three hundred episode guys, but I gotta talk
me some Star Wars. So we're going to have a
little bit of the other side of the Star franchise.
Joined again, Other side of the Star Frank, Yes, yes,
you know it has the word star in it. It's
totally relatable. But again, joined by Philip and Daniel. Philip,
(01:11):
when did you first see a Star Wars picture? Was it?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It's given ten dollars and no.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It could have been.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It could have been.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Dollars for a movie ticket. Wow, that was a lot premium,
premium experience.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm trying to scratch my brain. I think this. I
think I'm an old person now. I think it's probably
similar to that other franchise because I think my dad
vCard some Star Wars movies.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Obvious, okay, when they would like broadcast them on television.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I never I've never saw any of the original franchise
trilogy in the theaters.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Even on the re release.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
No, no, I think my first Star Wars movie in
the theater was Force a Weekends.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, I don't even think I saw any of the
sequels in the theater. I've seen them, of course, yeah,
so yeah, I think that's how I saw it was
you know, taped off TV in the early eighties or
possibly late seventies. And so, yeah, I got the TV
version of the movie.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I was gonna say, it makes me wonder. I don't
know what the difference if there is a difference in
the TV version.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
But obviously seventy five versions.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Of uh oh yeah that's true. Yeah, finding that is
going to be tricky.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
What about so I saw?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, go ahead, Oh yeah, no, no, it's good. So
I know many people kind of first saw it on
either TV or like the you know, the gold or
silver box sets. One was wide screen, one was full screen.
Don't watch the full screen. I don't want to talk
about it. But but what about you, Daniel, were you
(02:56):
also watching it? On a teen inch television at home.
Was that your first experience or was it on the
big screen.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I had those tapes. I remember the gold and silver ones.
We had both of them.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
I don't know why we had both of them.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I just say I don't because you bought the full
screen and then you realized it was half the movie,
so you went back and bought the white.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
I as a kid, I think I remember watching like
preferring that just because I didn't like the black bars.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I was, Oh, that's true. Yeah, so I was.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I watched them all the time. I remember watching them
over and over again.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
And then then I saw the special editions in the theaters,
and then I saw.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
All the movies in the theaters. I guess the all
the movies all up until episode nine, and that was
the that's when I stopped watching.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So many many people have so in the uh, I
guess obviously, I know the lore goes deep. But as
far as sort of a we'll call casual Star Wars fan,
as far as casualness, my only I've seen everything except
I have not seen Solo. I did, apparently many people didn't,
but I've not seen the last two films. So all
(04:07):
the last film I saw was Force Away. Well not
and Rogue We're going to come out with the orders,
but anyway, for the Force awakenis was first, and then
so pretty much you stopped after Rogue one, which isn't
a terrible spot to stop. So, you know, I don't
know anything about other than you know, I've heard about it,
but I've not physically seen Last Jedi or Rise.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Of the Skylark, all right, Yeah, Well for me, yeah,
I definitely first caught it on the VHS box set
and and then I remember, I still remember the commercial.
I was still one of the best commercials when they
did the re release right before the special edit. Actually no,
(04:49):
this is the special edition that came out in theaters,
and I just remember that ad where it was like
a tiny television in the middle, like a television within
your your screen is all small, and it's like for
an entire generation, this is the only way you've seen
Star Wars. And then you know, the X Wing blasts
(05:11):
out and it goes full scripts, you know, full screen,
and the music kicks up, and I was like, oh,
I've hooked. And then it was like it was like
a three month event where like one month they showed
the first movie and then they showed Empire and they
showed like because I remember it went into like February
or something like that. But uh yeah, ah, that was great.
(05:34):
Great marketing, got me, got me hooked. But even then,
you know, I enjoyed it, but I was still a
true and true Star Trek fan for ages, like I
like Star Wars, but I definitely liked it more later
in life.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I think the marketing that I most remember is because
this was when I usually obviously when you're most things
people remember is when you're like high school, college, because
it was my first year of college is when episode
one came out, and so I just remember that first
trailer and like, for some reason, I think, I don't
even know if I watched it on TV, but I
remember this would be like the I don't think it
was win app maybe it was Real Player, but it
(06:13):
was just like that was the first time seeing the trailer,
but it was like high quality. But yeah, I remember
that like the crunch Crunch You're in the jungle or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
The I'm trying to remember if that was in the
era of like the Apple trailers, because I remember going
to like Apple dot com, slash trailers like all the time,
so maybe might have been. I mean that was the
era where people would go to the movies to see
the trailer, like to watch some whatever and then like
(06:43):
walk out. They're like okay, I saw it, which just
seems crazy nowadays because that would have cost you like
forty bucks just to do nowadays. But yeah, all right,
well again, our fair listeners, we do appreciate you bearing
with as we chat a little bit of Star Wars
this week. I'm sure some Trek will slip in there,
(07:05):
as it tends to do. Yeah, Like I said, I
always enjoyed Star Trek a little more. Just part of
it was like it's a movie franchise versus a television franchise,
like hundreds and hundreds of hours spent with these characters
versus like two you know, so I think that was
(07:27):
you know, as everyone always compared it with like, oh,
it's got the word start it's name, so we have
to they're fighting now apparently because you know, over who
is the better Star franchise. But but nowadays things have
changed where the advent of technology and Disney purchasing Star
Wars in twenty twelve, we now have a lot of
(07:52):
you know Star Wars in television or you know Disney Plus,
but still it's episodic. It's you know, more hours of things,
and especially nowadays, I sound like an old man back
when Star Trek was twenty six episodes. Nowadays we're lucky
when we get ten. But today, through this great wind
(08:15):
up that I'm pitching, we're we're going to be talking
about and or the twenty twenty two to twelve episode,
two hundred and seventy million budget show, which shortly, I
believe early next year we should be getting season two.
But this is the prequel to Rogue one, which is
the prequel to a New Hope. So Daniel's right in
(08:38):
his wheelhouse with prequels as long as the actors don't
play their own you know generations. I guess we're I
guess we're okay. But yeah, this I first saw back
in twenty twenty two, and you know, obviously been a
big fan of the character, and it was a little
(09:01):
sad that k twis so didn't pop up in this
particular season, but I know we'll be getting him next year.
But Philip, the first time you saw this was also
on airing. I believe it's it's been a little while
for refresh.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah. Now I don't think it was an because I might.
You'll have to help my mind about chronology of Star
Wars TV series. What was the immediate TV series before
this one?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
It would have been Mandalorian was definitely first season one. Yeah,
now you're asking specifically.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Because while you're looking this up, So and Or, I
remember I didn't watch it right away when it popped up.
You know, I'm not a die hard, but I kept
hearing the buzz about and Ord, like, oh, this is
this is the greatest series Star Wars series, because I'm
trying to know what came before and so, you know
(10:00):
for some folks, because like I love Mando, my wife
does too. But I think at this point in the
limited however many there had been so far of Star
Wars shows. You know, Manda is now cringe, I guess,
and like, you know whatever, but like this, this and
Or was what it was all about. It was epic.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It was what you know, the everybody wanted. Everybody, Yeah
did this?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I mean That's what I was hearing, and I'm like, okay,
I'm happy to see what all the to do is about.
And so watched it, and you know, won't go to everything.
That's the whole purpose of this episode is. But I like,
my head was not blown. But I mean I enjoyed it,
but I think that it was just such built up
and I finally killed and I was like, Okay, I
(10:43):
mean but you know, you might disagree and think that
his best thing since sliced bread, but like that was
going into it when I was watching it.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah. So and Or actually was quite deep in the television.
So we we'd already had Mandalorian, which was twenty nineteen,
and we'd had a cute couple of seasons of that.
Book of Boba Fett was twenty twenty one. Obi Wan
even was mid year of twenty twenty two, and then
and Or was not till like September. So it was
(11:13):
like the fourth or fifth show to come out.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Because I felt like, at least from the outside, like
it was a reaction to like because I think Amando
two had come out too, so but like, yeah, some people,
not me. Some people are like, oh, you know, wet
fart after season one, and then they were like oh
Boba fet Blue and then no, no, no, no, like, oh, well,
this is a failure. Star Wars A t is a failure,
(11:38):
but no, this show, this is the show that makes
it all worth it. So that was to me the vibe.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah no, and it did have a lot of hype
around it.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
It h.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
One of the things with and Or that helped me
when I first watched it is someone I think before
I even watched it, they outlined it as it's a
series of mini arcs, and if you think of it
that way, it helped me like process it more because
you have kind of like you have the heist arc
(12:15):
which goes you know, or you have kind of like
Cassian's past, you know, for like an episode or two,
and then you have like the heist arc for like
three episodes. Then you have the prison arc for a
few episodes, and then you have yeah, prison break, and
then you have the you know, the ricks Road you know,
back on you know, fight the Empire, Yeah, the revolution arcs.
(12:39):
So that helped me kind of parse it out. But
even on this rewatch because I haven't I don't think
i've rewatched it until recently, and of course because I do,
you know, as I started watching them, like then in
one day, I watched like half the season because it's
just like boom boom boom, you know, and some and
some episodes are thirty minut since summer like fifty and
(13:01):
some like. There's definitely varying run times. But I was like, oh, man,
I had forgotten in the beginning. It is a slow burn,
like it takes a while to get going. So all
that prelude, now, Daniel, you may speak. So this this
was your first time watching and Or. I gave you
(13:22):
some homework and said this is a really great show.
You should watch it, and there's not an antenna insight.
You humored, you humored me. Yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Was good, I'll say that. So I saw.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Rogue one and I'm gonna have to ask questions about
it because I wanted to watch that too before, okay,
and I just because I can't remember. It's been so long,
Like you said, K twos O and I'm like, oh
he was was he and Or's robot?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Okay, okay, So when when those when those were about
to do show up, I'm like, oh, is he gonna
be buddies with them?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
And he's like, oh no, that's not that must not
be kids.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Okay, right.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I think the reason we saw the KX Unit and
the Beach scene was kind of a hey, don't forget
these exist moment, you know, because we know we're not
sure when we will see him in season two. I'm
hoping towards the front end, but you know, it could
be the episode before the end, who knows, But yeah,
(14:22):
he will. His meeting and reprogramming of K two will
happen in season two. There's actually some theories by fans
that part of B two's memory might be incorporated into
him the Little Red Square Astroid because some of B
two's mannerisms are kind of similar to K two s os.
(14:46):
So again all theory. Nothing has been been shown yet,
but yeah, he is not in this season yet.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Yes, yes, I remember, you know, from from the movie
from Rogue one. I didn't care for and Or the
character that is really boring.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Okay, and there are a lot of really interesting characters
in and ors Or in Rogue one, So I understand
you know, his he's kind of he's kind of the
second lead. Like it's not like because it's jin story, right,
but he's like the first male lead, which is an
interesting role. But yeah, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Yeah, and I'll be honest, I still didn't don't like
him like the show.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
And honestly he would he him as a character. I
don't know if maybe it's just like the actor.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I don't know what it is, Like I just find
him annoying, Like I just I just like boring on,
Like I don't want to watch this guy.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
He's a little whiney, he's a little like the world's
out to get me, and everyone else is like he
needs to grow up, and he spends a lot of
this season growing up.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I honestly, when you just mentioned the arc thing, so
that was something that sort of rubbed me about it,
like when like obviously that, like you said, it was
very discreet, like the ending of that of the whole.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Uh I start yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Yeah, and then like okay, cool that obviously something different
is gonna happen now. And then he just like meanders
around and and then like goes through this planet and
just gets arrested for nothing, and I'm like, this is
so bizarre. This is like the strangest thing I like
all the other characters. And I'm sure we'll get into it,
but I just wanted to bring that up because I
was like I and obviously the lesson is you did
(16:29):
this you you have to like take responsibility for the
fact that you kind of made things worse and this
is but it was just like I watched it, I'm like,
why is he getting? Like what is what is why?
This is just like it was so bizarre to me.
It's such a weird way to sort.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Of Tea because he's on a because he's on a
journey and yeah, and that journey because he even says
it to to Marta, he's like, oh, I will you know,
it's basically showing if Marta had gone with him and
they're like, oh, let's just go live in another planet
where the empire is it. It's like, no, the Empire's everywhere,
Like there's nowhere to escape. And so that's half of
(17:04):
the lesson he's learning is that they're everywhere. And then
the other half is, yeah, you ratcheted them up to
eleven and they're like you looked at them the wrong
way and you get ten years of prison.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
So yeah, and I think, to me, again, it's been
a hot second, but even Rogue one, which has also
been two hot seconds since I seem but as I
recall from Rogue one with Cassian to me and you know,
let's zooming out Star Wars, which I've engaged with a lot,
(17:36):
but still not necessarily my franchise. But the Cassian character
brought nothing to me in Rogue one. I mean, I
guess he was sort of like Han Solo on steroids,
because they were like, he's not just a rogue. He's
a rogue that kills and doesn't care because it's well
or it's for the cause, and you know, he has
no limits. I'm like, okay, I don't know why. I
was just like this character. And then then in and
(17:58):
Or it's like a prequel, I'm like, okay, so this
character I really don't like, you're gonna build the series
around all right, let's let's see. But then I think,
and again you'll have to refresh my memory. But to me,
he has no I want, Like, I don't know what
this guy wants other than to avoid like I mean,
obviously that's classic story telling the culture all to arms,
but like it goes on the whole time, Like the
(18:18):
whole series is him not wanting to do anything and
being drawn into everything other than not getting arrested. That's
apparently his I mean, his mother.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Everybody wants to not be arrested, But no, he is.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
The weakest part just like I think, honestly Rogue one,
he's the weakest part of this show too, Like I
just like I don't as a character. I just don't
understand why we're following him. But everything that's in his
orbit is cool, Like I'm like, this is.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Soon to me And you're not wrong, Cassian, Like I
I will definitely say like Cassian is not my favorite character,
like at all, but you're right the orbit around him,
like the world building and the the I mean, I
did find my I think the I remember the first
time watching this, I found myself every time they cut
(19:07):
to man Mathma's plot line, I sat up a little
as like, oh, okay, and now because that's a very
interesting story and the very that's where like the writing
is really shining. Where the you know, the the tension,
the subterfuge, the political like all of that great stuff.
(19:30):
And then yeah, because overall kind of Cassian, like the
heist is cool, Like that's kind of the first high
point for Cassian's arc, but really not till like the
Nakida five does his story really get going. But like
you said, Daniel, it's the characters in his orbit that
are much more interesting. Uh you know you have the
(19:52):
insert name here and no, yeah, i'd say like Luthian
his you know, he's very interesting. You know Cyril even
Cyril's an interesting, very interesting character. But also uh, you know,
the escaping prisoners from Naquina five. So yeah, it's I
(20:16):
think we all agree like the character's orbiting and or
are the most interesting part of this show, which isn't bad.
It's it's not like the show failed because of that.
It's just your lead isn't the most interesting man in
the room. So of course we're going to look at elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I have to do a random So, Daniel, I don't
know if you remember the actress in the in this
verata say to you and maybe saying that wrong. She
played cynic Kaz. She's basically the Indian looking young woman.
I don't know she apologize. I'm this character Isaac next
doctor Who companion.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Oh okay, okay, right, Uh you mentioned the guy right,
the old guy.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
I can't remember his name.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Stars Stars which like scarguard Man, we've seen him in
like a ton of stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Now Origin Retainer in Disney.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
No he is not, so this is he was this
was the first time he was in Star Wars.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Okay, this is the first time.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Okay, Okay, So I didn't I didn't know if I
was supposed to know his character or like.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
The only characters that we see that have been in
Star Wars before are Mon Mathma, Sawgerera, and Or and Menchi,
the one of his prison buddies. He's actually in the
group that goes to attack the planet in Rogue one,
(21:46):
like they had the same actor come back and so
this is like where they meet, like the prison buddies basically,
So those are the only four actors or characters that
are not new.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Did did did?
Speaker 5 (22:02):
I was just thinking we're talking about and the character,
and I'm like everybody around like, you don't want to
be around this.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Guy because he's bad news. He's very bad news.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Yeah, like everything dies, everything explodes, everything, Like it's just
not good to be around him.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
And then I was like, does because.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Andy serkis does He doesn't escape right docause he says
it can't swim.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
And that's the last we don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, I think there have been in the years since
something saying that we believe we will see him in
season two, but it is it is intentionally left vague,
like we don't see him die, but we also don't
see him live, so it is unknown at this time
because yeah, everyone was like, oh, like you deserve to escape,
(22:48):
Like it's hard. Yeah, it's if you think of it
from his perspective, right, and he's he's on his way out.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
You know, however many days he.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Had left, right, you didn't have much.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
And or shows up. They start killing all these hundreds
of people at a time. Then there's a giant prison
break and he's they're murdered way and then he gets
stuck ruined on the stupid prison that he can't escape
from because he can't swim, And I'm like, oh my god,
this is terrible, Right.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
That's why you shouldn't form a union.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
No, that's not the message of the story. Well, and
it's interesting because obviously he had been there a while,
and I have to assume that he had forgotten that
they were on an island, because you know, obviously would
have seen that when he came in, but you also
don't see the outside for you know, years at a time,
(23:34):
So I see.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
It really bumped me, like, why there's no possible you
like Star Wars would never have them, Like I didn't
understand why there was prison labor where there are robots
that do everything already, and in fact, the robots take
the things that they build from the prison and obviously,
well they said.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
There in space. But yes, no, no, no, you're right.
I mean I have to assume it's a valid question.
I have to assume it's literally something for prisoners to do,
because you know, they're arresting massive amounts of people, so
it's and and the the Empire is known for slave labor,
(24:15):
like they use wookies, they use like they build their
megaprojects with slave labors. So you're not wrong, Like, but
I'm sure there's a oh it's cheaper to to have
humans do it than droids or like droids are more valuable.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Should they say that or something?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And I mean androids cost money.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Yeah, sure, right, make another droid and they can have
two droids.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
So but yeah, the Nikina five arc is probably many
people hail it as like the highlight of the show.
It's very interesting. It's kind of a little terrifying because
it's very like obviously we don't have actual electrical prisons
like that, but it's very real in its totalitarianism, in
(25:03):
its control, in its despair. And I think that's why
you connect with a lot of the characters, especially Keena
loy uh Andy Andy Serkus's character.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
He's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I mean, for the thinking about Cassian just because I'm
watching it lately because I had never seen Better Call Saul,
and so I finally watched that and finished it. So
now I'm watching Break Bad because you gotta keep going
when you watch the prequel and so. But but I
mean Cassian theoretically, and especially where Cassian ends up from
(25:40):
WORKU one. I mean, there should be a parallel storytelling
between this anti hero and Breaking Bad, between Ultra White.
But like because you know, then you would argue, you know,
Walter is there's a hesitancy and it's sort of events
pull him, not necessarily than him. But then I mean
he does take control as a character after a while,
Like obviously he has a clear what he wants you
(26:01):
you know, money for cancer, but like then he becomes
I really like being a drug guy. But like with
Cassie and like because how many episodes, Okay, there wasn't
not all it wasn't was it ten twelve twelve?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
This was twelve in a season. It's quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So I felt like and maybe because I haven't seen
it recently, maybe the you know, the last two episodes,
you know, with his mother figure uh dying, he finally
finds something to do, but like he never takes that
like and now I want.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
To Yeah, I mean you could look at it as
a downside, but the he literally finishes the arc of
joining the Rebellion in twelve episodes, like it takes a while.
This whole season is about him, and now he's with
you know, working with Luthian. So yeah, it it is
(26:54):
not like you're going to see him in the Rebellion.
It's like we're going to see how he gets there,
and it's gonna take a while. So you're going to
get a lot more of that obviously in season two,
which has a very different structure.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Because I feel like that the potential, like with any series,
I'm trying to think of others, which I mean, maybe
better called Salt Better. Cuscle is actually good example, but
I won't go into it. But like where and ors like, oh,
it's about this one character, but it's not. It's actually
an ensemble piece about all these which it is about
all these different characters. But I think it is an
(27:27):
interesting storytelling opportunity because again, there's not that much in
the movies. You know, there's only so many you can
do in a bunch of movies. But like, the Rebel
Alliance is this cacophony of diverse people that are all
there for different reasons. You know, some are true believers.
So I'm just like killing people, you know, everyone and so,
but I like the story of like how everyone gets
(27:49):
to joining this thing, and so you have to, but
everyone else like, oh they're rich in funding it, or
they're over here and you know, pretending to be this
and that or so who's one hundred percent rebel from
the beginning? True believer?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
No, And that's that's very true because yeah, in the
in the original Star Wars and even Rogue one, it's
it's very much presented as like the Rebel Alliance, like
they're all pulling together. It's like they're kind of they're
not like they they all have their own views and
it is not nearly as structured as the government as
the Empire is. So yeah, but so having you know,
(28:28):
Luthen's story with with von Mothma, you know, very interesting,
very very political. Uh, there's also Dija Miro so the ISB,
so you're kind of inside the empire, but also so
it's like you're rooting for her to get that promotion,
but you're also like, but you're really bad, so I
kind of don't want you to get that promotion. So
it's a really interesting focus. What, Daniel, what do you
(28:51):
think of of Dedra and just the the inside the
empire news of that arc.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
I really like the like all of the sort of
world building that comes with that council or whatever.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I don't I don't know what they were, but.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
The ISB, the Imperial Security Bureau.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Was Were they all is s B?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I thought she was specifically know, all the white shirts
are is SB. Her her whole headquarters, her whole department.
She was like a lieutenant in the is B. Actually
I have to check. So the lead guy, the guy
at the yeah, that is he's he's all sorry, he's
also a known character recast obviously, but I I'll have
(29:36):
to look it up, but he he's a known is
B lead guy. I think he was like one of
the guys at the table in the desk star in
a New Hope, Okay, which anyway. But yeah, but she's
she's deep in the empire weeds.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Yeah, yeah, I liked all that stuff, like all those characters.
It was cool to see the sort of bureaucracy on
the imperial side and like like and like, so the
cut throatedness Dieter was a little for me. She was
like a little over the top with like how ambitious
and evil she was. Like she was just like, you know,
just just the way she was obviously she was very aggressive.
(30:14):
And then there was a really weird because I really
in the beginning, I really liked the serial serial characters.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Right, Cereal's an odd guy.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Like the beginning, I liked him, and then I don't
really know, Like I didn't even know there was a
season two so until you mentioned it. So I'm glad
to know that there is, because by the end of
this whole thing, I'm like, why did we even meet
this character? Like why did we spend time with his mom?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Why?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Why? Well, there's nothing happens to this character that's interesting.
I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Honestly, Cereal, I just thought of this, but Cerel is
like you got to see the blue Cereal with it,
It's true. Then I was gonna say Cyril is like
Gollum in Lord of the Rings where he shows up
really early, but he doesn't have a part to play
in the big moment of the narrative until like the
(31:02):
very end. That's my guess on him, Like could he
I don't know if he's gonna flip and be on
the rebel side or or make a choice at the end,
but they're kind of setting them up for that, like
where he's he's believing in the proper order and the
and the company, but it's it's running him through the ringer,
like he's not getting rewarded for those views.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I almost wonder. And again I'm not pushing for more
prequels because, as I say, the interesting story about the
Rebel alliance origins, but there is a missing gap I
mean for me, And again I don't know how people
want to get to the franchise. But like about you know,
the end of episode three, to me, the creation of
(31:49):
the empire makes sense quote unquote will not make any
modern parallels, but like of where you know, oh this
strong man will who has probably artificially created this threat,
but anyway, but like oh that and that makes sense
about like we will sacrifice these things.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You know, for safety quote unquote yeah yeah, and that's.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
One hundred percent I get it. But like to then
I say flash forward, but I mean but this episode
three and and or I mean, I don't know how
many years.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
So yeah, so episode three to a New Hope is
about twenty years because that's the lifespan of Luke and Leah.
So and so this takes place five years before a
New Hope. So we're we're like fifteen years, fifteen years
(32:41):
into the Empire.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Because to me, then the question of like, okay, so
this whole thing about and or creating the rebel but
like this cacoffin well, I don't know eighty s word
but anyway, I'm this what's sort I'm looking for the
officer corps of the Empire, Like how did like evil
get created in fifteen years? Like because you can see
people having like sort of stumbling into you know, I'm
just with the system and now the systems like this,
(33:02):
so okay, I'm starting to see things you know, a
little gray, the black and white what you're saying, Like,
but the evil class that we're now at fifteen years
later of like the uh, I mean whatever, I know
there's the obvious Nazi German examples, so obviously that would
happened very quickly too. But like it just that piece
of like why do they suddenly want to be evil
or you.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Know, well, and I think what they kind of established
in in like the prequels is because everyone says like, oh,
it became the empire. It's like, but remember the republic.
It was the republic. Like the republic was corrupt, it
did have you know, and it basically it got to
the tipping point and then Palpatine pushed it over where
(33:42):
the republic the empire is the republic. It's just now
under his Yeah, it's UNDERDS. So the corruption was always there,
it just now it's like heightened and and celebrated.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
So it was the civil service of the republic, Like
how many people do we get to killed today? Right right?
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Mentioned Palpatine a couple of times, and I was thinking,
are we going to see him?
Speaker 4 (34:05):
And obviously we didn't.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
And I'm wondering because my mouth look like and they
actually show the the same Senate chambers from right from.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Nobody there nobody cares anymore.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
And I was like, is pelpat Like what is he
doing on the day like like, does does he spend
his time in like arguing for more?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
No, he just does exactly what he wants and then.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
On his desk, like what is he he's in the
public appearances and not like not really he's very well
because remember he's all scarred and deformed from his attack.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
But yeah, he's very much cloak and dagger.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
But he's around, like does he does he still use
the same office like like if you needed one on one.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Time Sperial Palace? But yeah, so like this.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Mom Mouth would talk to Pelpatine from time to time.
Is anybody else like, hey, you're you're really evil the Wizard.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
It's kind of like that. But no, well and then yeah,
the interesting So yeah, so this takes place. So talk
about like the timeline a bit, because I'm glad you
brought that up, Philip. So this show takes place five
years before Rogue one and a New Hope, and it
(35:17):
takes roughly a year ish of time. You know in story,
maybe a little less, maybe a little more was really
going to be interesting? Is season two is And they've
said this is how they're going to do it. So
there's four years left between the beginning of season two
and Rogue one, and so what they're going to do
(35:40):
is it's going to be twelve episodes again, but every
three episodes are going to be a year, so it's
going to fast track through that entire span. So the
first three will be one year, and then two and
then three and then four, so leading us right into
Rogue one, which leads us right into a new hope.
So it's going to be very interesting to see how
(36:01):
they and that might help the structure as well, because
your arcs, you you will have very defined three step arcs.
But I think initially when and Or was pitched, it
was going to be like a three to five year show,
and then it got cut down. So it's like we're
(36:21):
we gotta, we gotta get to Rogue one, so we're
going to fast forward, wrap it up, wrap it up.
But yeah, no, I didn't. I didn't know. You didn't
realize there was going to be a season two, Daniel,
So I'm glad. And that does make a lot of sense,
especially with Cyril. It's like it's a lot of setup
for he doesn't get a lot of payoff in this season.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Well, and then of course what happens to when and
Or try it teams up with Luthen at the end
or whatever, and like like like makes sense. Now, I
just didn't know that they were going to do more,
which just makes sense because there's a lot there's a
lot of hanging threads that didn't get resolved.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
It's a lot of setup.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Season one is well, I think the the I mean
to me, I I hadn't officially heard. I mean, I
know people are always interested that I hadn't, but I
mean it's been a few years. I mean it's not
like a lot, but it's been more than one.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, it's been two years. You know.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
It kind of kills momentum when like season two, I
don't know, ce Prodigy takes more than one year to
come out and people are all like, I've moved on
and forgotten about it already. I mean, I'm not saying
it's not going to be good, but I mean that
kind of hurts the Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Just kind of television nowadays, at least for streaming. I mean,
looks stranger things like you know, many things that are
strip spread out. So overall, it'll only have been two
and a half years between, which isn't You're you're living
in the UK, Philip, you know about you know, Sherlock
and you know taking its sweet time to uh to
(37:46):
come out. But but no, you're you're right, I think
as soon as possible, because yeah, we should be getting
it probably first quarter next year is when, and two
should be dropping.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
We don't have an actual day one. But I mean,
like I'm we're watching Agatha all along. I mean that's
technically a sequel not only to wand Division but to Doctor.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Streight, right, which is ages ago years. Yeah, so it's
the slow slow burn. Yes, productions takes along these days.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Are they gonna make mon mathmakill? Her husband man?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Her husband is a piece of work. I hate child, Yeah, her, well,
her child's just being manipulated. But yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Yeah, he's like because we don't obviously we only.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
See her his hair. I hate everything about it.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
We only you know, we only see like with like
two scenes of her in Return of the Jedi, we
don't know much about her, but.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Well we see her a lot in episode three, we
see her more in that.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
So, now, if I'm remembering this correctly, and ask if
I'm remembering this correctly, if I can tell you wrong,
but I think that was an interesting point of view
because her social class you know her well, her husband,
but her husband and her friends quote unquote, like you
could see that like the again no no real world applications,
(39:11):
but like the top one percent are like, hey, we're
still the top everything. Then fine, we don't care who's
in charge. Honestly, you know, we're still doing well and
it's not affecting us. But I mean that's an interesting
point of view because like you you know, as a
someone who's watching Star Wars into the original trilogy and
maybe even more than that, but like you just think
own the Empire, it's everything is dark and dead and evil,
(39:35):
and there's like people are living it up and having
parties because hey, don't affect us.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Right right, And that makes it, I think, more real,
And that's good storytelling. Is it's not just I mean,
the first Star Wars is very much like these are
the good guys, these are the bad guys. Like it's
very cut and dry and and so and ors, you know,
adding some nuance into that, but that makes engaging stories.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Murders that guy just because he was just because he
was I had a plan to make off of the
money or whatever.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
It was like, oh right, not right, But I mean,
what else is he gonna do? Like or that guy
will shoot him?
Speaker 4 (40:16):
I guess I don't know did he I don't think
he said he was gonna do that. But that's fine.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
This is like a choose your an adventure, like pulls
gun in you. It says either split it or kill me.
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Take him?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Money turned to page seventy six, shoot, which Laster turned
to page hundred one.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Kind kind of kind of but yeah, and then you know,
as we're as we're around the third here, there's some
great speeches in here. You have the the manifesto in
the earlier episodes that are that is really good. Luthen
has a really good speech that everyone clamors about. Basically
(40:54):
his you know, a man planting trees shade of which
I know I will never see, you know, as he
as he knows, He's like, I'm building something, but I
will not be able to live it in it where
it won't get here until after I'm I am gone.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
So now go ahead.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
I was just gonna say, you know what he was
doing that like when I'm like what and actually kind
of the whole thesis of the whole show, right, because
I was like, and I don't like andor so that's
my bias. But I'm like, they could have called, Yes,
they could have called this show Star Wars Rebels. And
I'm like, wait, they can't do that.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Well, they but I know what you mean, I know
what you mean.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
They should have called it rebellion or rebellion born or whatever.
You know what I mean, Like they should have because.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Essentially what this birth of the rebellion.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Yeah, that's the thesis of the show.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
But anyways, when he was giving that speech, and I'm like,
you know, he is working very hard and spending all
this money and doing all this stuff, and so is
everybody else that's that's involved in this, in this birthing
of this rebellion, I'm like, really, they're they're doing a
lot of work, and all they needed to do was
just find a plucky little guy, uh you know, on
a backwards farm planet and he'll just do everything. He
(42:04):
just he'll save the whole galaxy by himself. We don't
even need all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
He needed an X wing and a base to launch.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
It from a plan that was revealed.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah, that's true, but I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
But a complete that would distract everything.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
But yeah, no, and those bases on Hoff don't build themselves.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Daniel H. So, yeah, and then again you have you know,
Sagerera show up. You have a lot of interpersonal personal characteristics.
And I'm glad they kind of drop the him looking
for his sister thing pretty quick because that kind of
goes nowhere, you know. But he obviously, you know, is
(42:50):
interested in BIS and I again, a lot of things
that other people praised and and how did this look
to you, Daniel? Is they praised like this was the
first show not to be shot in the volume. Maybe
there was a scene or two, but the vast majority
(43:12):
of it, sorry, the volume is that thirty foot room
that that really made the Mandalorian possible. So it's all
a high definition No, no, it's LED. It's a high
definition LED screen that shows and they use it for
like room extension continuations. Anyway, it basically made so like
(43:33):
for example.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Disney makes their movies.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah, so like in there's like a scene in The
Mandalorian where he's like walking through like a cave valley
like that is all the backdrop. But it's so high
res and that's where the technology is new enough it's
so high reds that you can shoot it into the
camera and you're not adding it later. So that's called
(43:57):
the volume. So some people have, like any tech, there
are good uses of the volume and there are poor
uses of the volume. So there are ways to do
it well and there are ways to do it poorly.
And Mandalorian season one, I think everyone agreed did it
very very well. So but there's been some pushback, like
I think like Quantumnia used it and other things have
(44:20):
used it like poorly. So all that to say, people
really liked that and or was very practical. I mean
they built you know, Rick's Road, like you feel like
that's a place that you are, so you know, how
did you like just the locations, all the places we
went and the you know how that added to the
(44:43):
fabric of the galaxy.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
I thought it was I thought it was well done.
I didn't I didn't know about that at all. I
did feel like like when they were actually on the planet,
like I felt like they were, you know, because they
did a lot of exterior shots and stuff, and I'm like, oh,
this is this is cool. This feels like, you know,
actually being somewhere instead of just green screen even.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Though if it was wrong, but.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
I definitely got that sense that like it felt built,
like it actually like like not just digitally built, but
like physically built.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
So I thought that was cool.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, even cost was needed, Yeah, I feel.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Like no, no, no, well yeah, I mean even Coroissant
was a lot of you know, was shot, like that
walkway they're walking over, or that courtyard and then they
would just paint out, you know, the background to be
you know, the Coroissant skyline. But yeah, it very was
very grounded in feeling. Again, I think the highlight is
(45:37):
is the fair ex set. You know, it just felt
like a very real plant, well a city on a planet.
I mean we only go to one city, but yeah,
very real feeling, which is why you know it at
twenty two hundred and seventy million, that's like a movie budget.
But one of the things like, I I'm glad we
(46:00):
got this as opposed to and or the movie because
you know, it's a mini series basically, and so we're
getting tens of hours of time with these characters, and
you can have the slow burn and you can you know,
reveal new characters, and I mean, like I said, everyone
loves the Narkina five arc, which doesn't show up until
(46:22):
over halfway through this show. It's not what it's about,
it's not the key point. But when you get there,
you're like, oh, this is this is great. But that
wouldn't have made sense as like an episode one or
a chapter one. You know.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Yeah, I didn't feel the production felt like it didn't
feel cheap. Yeah, I felt like it like it felt
like they were spending spending money on it. So and
of course, like there's fifty two characters in the show,
so there are a.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Lot of characters. You're not wrong there, because.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
You know, I can I can definitely see what a
lot of people would like something with Mando when it's
like usually just two people talking, you know, in a
desert or something, and it's like, I can and we
see where that would feel sort of empty and lifeless sometimes.
But like here, it was like there's always lots of
people doing stuff and it's like in an actual place.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
It definitely felt like there's some stuff behind it.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah, I think, And again I'm only going off the
movies I've seen in TV series are saying, but some
of the movies or Star Wars I think has a
tendency to have a lot of great characters and want
to juggle multiple storylines and then by doing that and
(47:33):
they're all have potential, but then ends up shortcutting because
like when you said, like as I picture and or
the movie, there'd be so many wipes about like you
know and now we're here, it's doing this and then
shoot back to now yeah Corsican and then shoom now
back to you know, would be like every ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Now you're right, And that's that raises one other question
I want to ask you both is there's a lot
of nonlinear storytelling going on in this season, especially with
Cassian's past in the very beginning where we're kind of
slowly revealing you know, he was on this you know
planet and it was mind and there was a disaster
(48:10):
and it like wiped out all the adults and so
but it's told in a very nonlinear way where like
we're cutting back and forth to it. Did that was
it too much? Like? There? It was for me it
was almost too much where like we're like we're seeing
Cassie and leave the room and then all of a sudden,
like you almost don't realize you're back in time. And
(48:32):
with young Cassa. Uh but maybe what how did that
come across to you? Daniel? Was that was it too
much inner cutting? Did you want? It's like too much momento?
But we need the we need the first episode to
just be about Cassie and getting found and then we
do a time jump.
Speaker 5 (48:50):
Well I don't know if that's part of the backstory
that he tells in in the movie, but I didn't
know what the point was. And then I guess we
get to the point at the end. But it's like
I also was like, wait a minute, what does this
woman do where she goes to another planet and just
finds I don't know what they're doing there, Like.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Why is she kind of like a privateer I'm guessing,
like you know, stealing, Like, oh, we heard about this
crash and so we're going to take what we can
before the Republic shows up.
Speaker 5 (49:18):
Okay, I mean, it's just it was just weird because
like then she saves him, even though like the rest
of the kids are right upside or whatever.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Well they had left, they had run away, but yeah,
well but okay, but like.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
They're still not far and they have spaceships, so like
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Like he's not a humanitarian. She's just a privateer private so.
Speaker 5 (49:38):
She just thought she could get something out of a happy
hand or I guess I just I didn't And then
I guess the point was like she saves him or whatever.
But I didn't know that it was necessarily worth all
that jumping around, like because there's a lot of scenes
of the young kids like very cautiously approaching this spaceship
and these dead bodies, like, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Like, especially since we don't ever do anything with the sister,
it's like, now, maybe that'll come into play in season two.
I don't know, Uh, yes, a sister. It may come
from you know the one line he has in Rogue
one where he's like, I've been in this fight since
I was six years old. Like he says that it's
(50:20):
one of the known lines. So maybe they felt like, oh,
check the box. We have to show him kind of
railing against the Empire at a very young age. But
he's not six in this for sure, So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Now I was having to refresh myself. His father was
killed by a Droid soldier? Is that right?
Speaker 1 (50:40):
His father was killed by the republic soldiers. It's kind
of wrong place, wrong time, and then he was I
kept leaning.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
A little bit on the my family was killed by
droids because it wasn't the same thing for Mando's.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
No, just man, no droids killed anybody in in and Or.
But yeah, in in Mando, that's the backstory you're thinking
of where his parents were killed during the Clone Wars
by battle droids, and so that's why he hates droids.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, and just everyone hates droids or something.
Speaker 5 (51:17):
That's why they're not allowed in the in the moss
is of Cantina.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
They can't go anywhere. Man.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
And by the way, we hate that Barton who says that,
But what if a droid killed his father?
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (51:29):
I think I think that's fine now.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
I think that's actually the backstory they've given him is that,
you know, his family was killed by droids, which is
why he doesn't like them. But uh well, and then
towards the very end you have the ricks Road and
the big you know again, it feels like this is
a place with culture and tradition, you know, marching with
the stone and the band which is weird kind of
(51:53):
you know, Star Wars band playing, but apparently in Martha's
hologram message of inspiration. Uh, they dub it a little
bit because she does not say fight the Empire. She
says f the empire actually, and they were like, eh,
it's a little too much, so they changed the line
(52:16):
in post.
Speaker 5 (52:17):
But you know, I was a little confused, and I
think probably a lot of people like that last scene
with her hologram and stuff. But I thought that because
she basically gives a call to arm speech and then yeah,
sort of the whole thing like insights the riot. It's like,
but it's like, I thought, we already did this on
(52:38):
this planet with all the banging on the thing, and
then all they've killed all the company people. I'm like,
this planet has already started their own rebelt, like they've
then they've already done this like four episodes earlier.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
But that was against the Corpos. But yeah, it no,
you're not wrong. It's just kind of like, well, they all.
Speaker 4 (52:58):
What it really composed there, and that's that's terribly fine.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
That's what they call them. I think really the core
of the whole show is a line that Luthan says
when when man Mathma confronts him after the the heist
on Aldannie, you know, where he says, they've been like
(53:21):
we they like, we need the outrage. He's like, we've
we've been suffocated slowly by the Empire that it's almost comfortable,
and you need like, yeah, people are going to die,
people are going to suffer because of this, but you
you can't have rebellion if everyone's just and like Philip said,
like the one percent, they're like, yeah, everything's fine. I'm
(53:44):
fine in my little corner of the galaxy. So I
think to answer your question, Daniel, that's where it kind
of comes back on Feryx, where yeah, they oh, yeah,
we've never liked Corpos, you know, we kicked him out,
but this is the Empire, this is the big this
is bigger, and so they need the rallying cry to
(54:09):
stand up and fight with their bricks. So all right,
well this is Yeah. It was fun rewatching and Or
and and getting to discuss it. I was really fun
to see your inside s Daniel, just on someone having
not watched it before. Yeah, I think we all kind
(54:29):
of agreed that and Or is a very much things
are happening to character. Uh So maybe in season two
he'll he'll drive the plot a little more. But still
some great writing, some great Star Wars it's still a
very talked about show. I mean, you said, Philip, like
there's many years between seasons, but this is one of
(54:53):
those shows that people keep talking about or they say, oh,
which which show should I start with? Or which show
should I you know, catch, make sure I catch. So
it's it's a very highly regarded show. A little bit
of a slower burn at least at the beginning, for sure,
but it's not necessarily bad to take it all in
(55:16):
a step at a time. So I'm glad, I'm glad
we got to discuss. I'm glad you overall enjoyed it. Daniel, Yeah,
not bad. And I'm glad you also know there's a
season two now which they needed a and or will
return in season two title tag. At the very end,
you're like, oh, okay, okay, that makes sense, because yeah,
(55:37):
if this is all one, I'm done, it would be like, well,
what nothing happened? Like everything was set up all right? Well, Philip,
if someone wanted to find you to talk about your
box set of Star Wars sitting on the shelf, I
see it right there. They can where will they find you?
Speaker 2 (55:57):
They can find this wonderful selection of jewelry right here?
In the back. I'll just take you over here. They
can find me on Instagram at C A P T
S f UFP.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
You're only smiling when you face the camera, Phillip. I
feel like you're you're upset when you look away. And uh, Daniel,
if someone wanted to talk to you about your new
position as hover car driver for the rich and famous,
where where will they find you? Uh?
Speaker 5 (56:24):
They can find me at one of Dan And I
would also like to know who is Palpatines driver?
Speaker 4 (56:31):
Where? What is his schedule?
Speaker 6 (56:32):
Like?
Speaker 4 (56:33):
Where who's his secretariat?
Speaker 5 (56:34):
And I want to know all the things about Palpatine's
doing from the day to day. Who's the man has
to use the bathroom at some point?
Speaker 4 (56:42):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
I saw I saw that. I saw a black cloak
go into the lavoratory. Probably was him.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
Well, I mean like Palpatine's like Vader, like you need
small doses. We don't want to know all that about
Vader or Palpatina. It takes away from the mystique.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
He calls INSes.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
Yeah, no, no, just sitting in the throne. Okay, now
you're in robot chicken territory. Okay, time, that is all
your answers are in Robot Chicken, Daniel, just go rewatch those,
all right, And if someone wanted to find me, they
could go to doctorSci fi dot Com d R s
c I f I. Well, once again, I am Darren Moser.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
I'm Philip Gilphis.
Speaker 4 (57:28):
I'm Daniel per
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Stranded here talking about Star Trek next week here on
City Alpha three
Welcome to the net Party.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Darren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphus, I'm Daniel Prue.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
And this is City Alpha three.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Hello, and welcome to Citi offa six a Star Wars
podcast here on the Nerd Party network. I am Darren Moser,
joined as always by my fellow Star Wars fanboys. No,
you're not hearing it wrong. We're changing things up a
little bit here on Citi Alpha three. You know, I
(00:48):
went through three hundred episode guys, but I gotta talk
me some Star Wars. So we're going to have a
little bit of the other side of the Star franchise.
Joined again, Other side of the Star Frank, Yes, yes,
you know it has the word star in it. It's
totally relatable. But again, joined by Philip and Daniel. Philip,
(01:11):
when did you first see a Star Wars picture? Was it?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It's given ten dollars and no.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It could have been.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It could have been.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Dollars for a movie ticket. Wow, that was a lot premium,
premium experience.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm trying to scratch my brain. I think this. I
think I'm an old person now. I think it's probably
similar to that other franchise because I think my dad
vCard some Star Wars movies.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Obvious, okay, when they would like broadcast them on television.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I never I've never saw any of the original franchise
trilogy in the theaters.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Even on the re release.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
No, no, I think my first Star Wars movie in
the theater was Force a Weekends.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, I don't even think I saw any of the
sequels in the theater. I've seen them, of course, yeah,
so yeah, I think that's how I saw it was
you know, taped off TV in the early eighties or
possibly late seventies. And so, yeah, I got the TV
version of the movie.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I was gonna say, it makes me wonder. I don't
know what the difference if there is a difference in
the TV version.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
But obviously seventy five versions.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Of uh oh yeah that's true. Yeah, finding that is
going to be tricky.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
What about so I saw?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, go ahead, Oh yeah, no, no, it's good. So
I know many people kind of first saw it on
either TV or like the you know, the gold or
silver box sets. One was wide screen, one was full screen.
Don't watch the full screen. I don't want to talk
about it. But but what about you, Daniel, were you
(02:56):
also watching it? On a teen inch television at home.
Was that your first experience or was it on the
big screen.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I had those tapes. I remember the gold and silver ones.
We had both of them.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
I don't know why we had both of them.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I just say I don't because you bought the full
screen and then you realized it was half the movie,
so you went back and bought the white.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
I as a kid, I think I remember watching like
preferring that just because I didn't like the black bars.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I was, Oh, that's true. Yeah, so I was.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I watched them all the time. I remember watching them
over and over again.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
And then then I saw the special editions in the theaters,
and then I saw.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
All the movies in the theaters. I guess the all
the movies all up until episode nine, and that was
the that's when I stopped watching.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So many many people have so in the uh, I
guess obviously, I know the lore goes deep. But as
far as sort of a we'll call casual Star Wars fan,
as far as casualness, my only I've seen everything except
I have not seen Solo. I did, apparently many people didn't,
but I've not seen the last two films. So all
(04:07):
the last film I saw was Force Away. Well not
and Rogue We're going to come out with the orders,
but anyway, for the Force awakenis was first, and then
so pretty much you stopped after Rogue one, which isn't
a terrible spot to stop. So, you know, I don't
know anything about other than you know, I've heard about it,
but I've not physically seen Last Jedi or Rise.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Of the Skylark, all right, Yeah, Well for me, yeah,
I definitely first caught it on the VHS box set
and and then I remember, I still remember the commercial.
I was still one of the best commercials when they
did the re release right before the special edit. Actually no,
(04:49):
this is the special edition that came out in theaters,
and I just remember that ad where it was like
a tiny television in the middle, like a television within
your your screen is all small, and it's like for
an entire generation, this is the only way you've seen
Star Wars. And then you know, the X Wing blasts
(05:11):
out and it goes full scripts, you know, full screen,
and the music kicks up, and I was like, oh,
I've hooked. And then it was like it was like
a three month event where like one month they showed
the first movie and then they showed Empire and they
showed like because I remember it went into like February
or something like that. But uh yeah, ah, that was great.
(05:34):
Great marketing, got me, got me hooked. But even then,
you know, I enjoyed it, but I was still a
true and true Star Trek fan for ages, like I
like Star Wars, but I definitely liked it more later
in life.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I think the marketing that I most remember is because
this was when I usually obviously when you're most things
people remember is when you're like high school, college, because
it was my first year of college is when episode
one came out, and so I just remember that first
trailer and like, for some reason, I think, I don't
even know if I watched it on TV, but I
remember this would be like the I don't think it
was win app maybe it was Real Player, but it
(06:13):
was just like that was the first time seeing the trailer,
but it was like high quality. But yeah, I remember
that like the crunch Crunch You're in the jungle or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
The I'm trying to remember if that was in the
era of like the Apple trailers, because I remember going
to like Apple dot com, slash trailers like all the time,
so maybe might have been. I mean that was the
era where people would go to the movies to see
the trailer, like to watch some whatever and then like
(06:43):
walk out. They're like okay, I saw it, which just
seems crazy nowadays because that would have cost you like
forty bucks just to do nowadays. But yeah, all right,
well again, our fair listeners, we do appreciate you bearing
with as we chat a little bit of Star Wars
this week. I'm sure some Trek will slip in there,
(07:05):
as it tends to do. Yeah, Like I said, I
always enjoyed Star Trek a little more. Just part of
it was like it's a movie franchise versus a television franchise,
like hundreds and hundreds of hours spent with these characters
versus like two you know, so I think that was
(07:27):
you know, as everyone always compared it with like, oh,
it's got the word start it's name, so we have
to they're fighting now apparently because you know, over who
is the better Star franchise. But but nowadays things have
changed where the advent of technology and Disney purchasing Star
Wars in twenty twelve, we now have a lot of
(07:52):
you know Star Wars in television or you know Disney Plus,
but still it's episodic. It's you know, more hours of things,
and especially nowadays, I sound like an old man back
when Star Trek was twenty six episodes. Nowadays we're lucky
when we get ten. But today, through this great wind
(08:15):
up that I'm pitching, we're we're going to be talking
about and or the twenty twenty two to twelve episode,
two hundred and seventy million budget show, which shortly, I
believe early next year we should be getting season two.
But this is the prequel to Rogue one, which is
the prequel to a New Hope. So Daniel's right in
(08:38):
his wheelhouse with prequels as long as the actors don't
play their own you know generations. I guess we're I
guess we're okay. But yeah, this I first saw back
in twenty twenty two, and you know, obviously been a
big fan of the character, and it was a little
(09:01):
sad that k twis so didn't pop up in this
particular season, but I know we'll be getting him next year.
But Philip, the first time you saw this was also
on airing. I believe it's it's been a little while
for refresh.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah. Now I don't think it was an because I might.
You'll have to help my mind about chronology of Star
Wars TV series. What was the immediate TV series before
this one?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
It would have been Mandalorian was definitely first season one. Yeah,
now you're asking specifically.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Because while you're looking this up, So and Or, I
remember I didn't watch it right away when it popped up.
You know, I'm not a die hard, but I kept
hearing the buzz about and Ord, like, oh, this is
this is the greatest series Star Wars series, because I'm
trying to know what came before and so, you know
(10:00):
for some folks, because like I love Mando, my wife
does too. But I think at this point in the
limited however many there had been so far of Star
Wars shows. You know, Manda is now cringe, I guess,
and like, you know whatever, but like this, this and
Or was what it was all about. It was epic.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It was what you know, the everybody wanted. Everybody, Yeah
did this?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I mean That's what I was hearing, and I'm like, okay,
I'm happy to see what all the to do is about.
And so watched it, and you know, won't go to everything.
That's the whole purpose of this episode is. But I like,
my head was not blown. But I mean I enjoyed it,
but I think that it was just such built up
and I finally killed and I was like, Okay, I
(10:43):
mean but you know, you might disagree and think that
his best thing since sliced bread, but like that was
going into it when I was watching it.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah. So and Or actually was quite deep in the television.
So we we'd already had Mandalorian, which was twenty nineteen,
and we'd had a cute couple of seasons of that.
Book of Boba Fett was twenty twenty one. Obi Wan
even was mid year of twenty twenty two, and then
and Or was not till like September. So it was
(11:13):
like the fourth or fifth show to come out.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Because I felt like, at least from the outside, like
it was a reaction to like because I think Amando
two had come out too, so but like, yeah, some people,
not me. Some people are like, oh, you know, wet
fart after season one, and then they were like oh
Boba fet Blue and then no, no, no, no, like, oh, well,
this is a failure. Star Wars A t is a failure,
(11:38):
but no, this show, this is the show that makes
it all worth it. So that was to me the vibe.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah no, and it did have a lot of hype
around it.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
It h.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
One of the things with and Or that helped me
when I first watched it is someone I think before
I even watched it, they outlined it as it's a
series of mini arcs, and if you think of it
that way, it helped me like process it more because
you have kind of like you have the heist arc
(12:15):
which goes you know, or you have kind of like
Cassian's past, you know, for like an episode or two,
and then you have like the heist arc for like
three episodes. Then you have the prison arc for a
few episodes, and then you have yeah, prison break, and
then you have the you know, the ricks Road you know,
back on you know, fight the Empire, Yeah, the revolution arcs.
(12:39):
So that helped me kind of parse it out. But
even on this rewatch because I haven't I don't think
i've rewatched it until recently, and of course because I do,
you know, as I started watching them, like then in
one day, I watched like half the season because it's
just like boom boom boom, you know, and some and
some episodes are thirty minut since summer like fifty and
(13:01):
some like. There's definitely varying run times. But I was like, oh, man,
I had forgotten in the beginning. It is a slow burn,
like it takes a while to get going. So all
that prelude, now, Daniel, you may speak. So this this
was your first time watching and Or. I gave you
(13:22):
some homework and said this is a really great show.
You should watch it, and there's not an antenna insight.
You humored, you humored me. Yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Was good, I'll say that. So I saw.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Rogue one and I'm gonna have to ask questions about
it because I wanted to watch that too before, okay,
and I just because I can't remember. It's been so long,
Like you said, K twos O and I'm like, oh
he was was he and Or's robot?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Okay, okay, So when when those when those were about
to do show up, I'm like, oh, is he gonna
be buddies with them?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
And he's like, oh no, that's not that must not
be kids.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Okay, right.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I think the reason we saw the KX Unit and
the Beach scene was kind of a hey, don't forget
these exist moment, you know, because we know we're not
sure when we will see him in season two. I'm
hoping towards the front end, but you know, it could
be the episode before the end, who knows, But yeah,
(14:22):
he will. His meeting and reprogramming of K two will
happen in season two. There's actually some theories by fans
that part of B two's memory might be incorporated into
him the Little Red Square Astroid because some of B
two's mannerisms are kind of similar to K two s os.
(14:46):
So again all theory. Nothing has been been shown yet,
but yeah, he is not in this season yet.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
Yes, yes, I remember, you know, from from the movie
from Rogue one. I didn't care for and Or the
character that is really boring.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Okay, and there are a lot of really interesting characters
in and ors Or in Rogue one, So I understand
you know, his he's kind of he's kind of the
second lead. Like it's not like because it's jin story, right,
but he's like the first male lead, which is an
interesting role. But yeah, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Yeah, and I'll be honest, I still didn't don't like
him like the show.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
And honestly he would he him as a character. I
don't know if maybe it's just like the actor.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I don't know what it is, Like I just find
him annoying, Like I just I just like boring on,
Like I don't want to watch this guy.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
He's a little whiney, he's a little like the world's
out to get me, and everyone else is like he
needs to grow up, and he spends a lot of
this season growing up.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I honestly, when you just mentioned the arc thing, so
that was something that sort of rubbed me about it,
like when like obviously that, like you said, it was
very discreet, like the ending of that of the whole.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Uh I start yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Yeah, and then like okay, cool that obviously something different
is gonna happen now. And then he just like meanders
around and and then like goes through this planet and
just gets arrested for nothing, and I'm like, this is
so bizarre. This is like the strangest thing I like
all the other characters. And I'm sure we'll get into it,
but I just wanted to bring that up because I
was like I and obviously the lesson is you did
(16:29):
this you you have to like take responsibility for the
fact that you kind of made things worse and this
is but it was just like I watched it, I'm like,
why is he getting? Like what is what is why?
This is just like it was so bizarre to me.
It's such a weird way to sort.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Of Tea because he's on a because he's on a
journey and yeah, and that journey because he even says
it to to Marta, he's like, oh, I will you know,
it's basically showing if Marta had gone with him and
they're like, oh, let's just go live in another planet
where the empire is it. It's like, no, the Empire's everywhere,
Like there's nowhere to escape. And so that's half of
(17:04):
the lesson he's learning is that they're everywhere. And then
the other half is, yeah, you ratcheted them up to
eleven and they're like you looked at them the wrong
way and you get ten years of prison.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
So yeah, and I think, to me, again, it's been
a hot second, but even Rogue one, which has also
been two hot seconds since I seem but as I
recall from Rogue one with Cassian to me and you know,
let's zooming out Star Wars, which I've engaged with a lot,
(17:36):
but still not necessarily my franchise. But the Cassian character
brought nothing to me in Rogue one. I mean, I
guess he was sort of like Han Solo on steroids,
because they were like, he's not just a rogue. He's
a rogue that kills and doesn't care because it's well
or it's for the cause, and you know, he has
no limits. I'm like, okay, I don't know why. I
was just like this character. And then then in and
(17:58):
Or it's like a prequel, I'm like, okay, so this
character I really don't like, you're gonna build the series
around all right, let's let's see. But then I think,
and again you'll have to refresh my memory. But to me,
he has no I want, Like, I don't know what
this guy wants other than to avoid like I mean,
obviously that's classic story telling the culture all to arms,
but like it goes on the whole time, Like the
(18:18):
whole series is him not wanting to do anything and
being drawn into everything other than not getting arrested. That's
apparently his I mean, his mother.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Everybody wants to not be arrested, But no, he is.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
The weakest part just like I think, honestly Rogue one,
he's the weakest part of this show too, Like I
just like I don't as a character. I just don't
understand why we're following him. But everything that's in his
orbit is cool, Like I'm like, this is.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Soon to me And you're not wrong, Cassian, Like I
I will definitely say like Cassian is not my favorite character,
like at all, but you're right the orbit around him,
like the world building and the the I mean, I
did find my I think the I remember the first
time watching this, I found myself every time they cut
(19:07):
to man Mathma's plot line, I sat up a little
as like, oh, okay, and now because that's a very
interesting story and the very that's where like the writing
is really shining. Where the you know, the the tension,
the subterfuge, the political like all of that great stuff.
(19:30):
And then yeah, because overall kind of Cassian, like the
heist is cool, Like that's kind of the first high
point for Cassian's arc, but really not till like the
Nakida five does his story really get going. But like
you said, Daniel, it's the characters in his orbit that
are much more interesting. Uh you know you have the
(19:52):
insert name here and no, yeah, i'd say like Luthian
his you know, he's very interesting. You know Cyril even
Cyril's an interesting, very interesting character. But also uh, you know,
the escaping prisoners from Naquina five. So yeah, it's I
(20:16):
think we all agree like the character's orbiting and or
are the most interesting part of this show, which isn't bad.
It's it's not like the show failed because of that.
It's just your lead isn't the most interesting man in
the room. So of course we're going to look at elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I have to do a random So, Daniel, I don't
know if you remember the actress in the in this
verata say to you and maybe saying that wrong. She
played cynic Kaz. She's basically the Indian looking young woman.
I don't know she apologize. I'm this character Isaac next
doctor Who companion.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Oh okay, okay, right, Uh you mentioned the guy right,
the old guy.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
I can't remember his name.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Stars Stars which like scarguard Man, we've seen him in
like a ton of stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Now Origin Retainer in Disney.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
No he is not, so this is he was this
was the first time he was in Star Wars.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Okay, this is the first time.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Okay, Okay, So I didn't I didn't know if I
was supposed to know his character or like.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
The only characters that we see that have been in
Star Wars before are Mon Mathma, Sawgerera, and Or and Menchi,
the one of his prison buddies. He's actually in the
group that goes to attack the planet in Rogue one,
(21:46):
like they had the same actor come back and so
this is like where they meet, like the prison buddies basically,
So those are the only four actors or characters that
are not new.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Did did did?
Speaker 5 (22:02):
I was just thinking we're talking about and the character,
and I'm like everybody around like, you don't want to
be around this.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Guy because he's bad news. He's very bad news.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Yeah, like everything dies, everything explodes, everything, Like it's just
not good to be around him.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
And then I was like, does because.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Andy serkis does He doesn't escape right docause he says
it can't swim.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
And that's the last we don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, I think there have been in the years since
something saying that we believe we will see him in
season two, but it is it is intentionally left vague,
like we don't see him die, but we also don't
see him live, so it is unknown at this time
because yeah, everyone was like, oh, like you deserve to escape,
(22:48):
Like it's hard. Yeah, it's if you think of it
from his perspective, right, and he's he's on his way out.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
You know, however many days he.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Had left, right, you didn't have much.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
And or shows up. They start killing all these hundreds
of people at a time. Then there's a giant prison
break and he's they're murdered way and then he gets
stuck ruined on the stupid prison that he can't escape
from because he can't swim, And I'm like, oh my god,
this is terrible, Right.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
That's why you shouldn't form a union.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
No, that's not the message of the story. Well, and
it's interesting because obviously he had been there a while,
and I have to assume that he had forgotten that
they were on an island, because you know, obviously would
have seen that when he came in, but you also
don't see the outside for you know, years at a time,
(23:34):
So I see.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
It really bumped me, like, why there's no possible you
like Star Wars would never have them, Like I didn't
understand why there was prison labor where there are robots
that do everything already, and in fact, the robots take
the things that they build from the prison and obviously,
well they said.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
There in space. But yes, no, no, no, you're right.
I mean I have to assume it's a valid question.
I have to assume it's literally something for prisoners to do,
because you know, they're arresting massive amounts of people, so
it's and and the the Empire is known for slave labor,
(24:15):
like they use wookies, they use like they build their
megaprojects with slave labors. So you're not wrong, Like, but
I'm sure there's a oh it's cheaper to to have
humans do it than droids or like droids are more valuable.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Should they say that or something?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And I mean androids cost money.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Yeah, sure, right, make another droid and they can have
two droids.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
So but yeah, the Nikina five arc is probably many
people hail it as like the highlight of the show.
It's very interesting. It's kind of a little terrifying because
it's very like obviously we don't have actual electrical prisons
like that, but it's very real in its totalitarianism, in
(25:03):
its control, in its despair. And I think that's why
you connect with a lot of the characters, especially Keena
loy uh Andy Andy Serkus's character.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
He's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I mean, for the thinking about Cassian just because I'm
watching it lately because I had never seen Better Call Saul,
and so I finally watched that and finished it. So
now I'm watching Break Bad because you gotta keep going
when you watch the prequel and so. But but I
mean Cassian theoretically, and especially where Cassian ends up from
(25:40):
WORKU one. I mean, there should be a parallel storytelling
between this anti hero and Breaking Bad, between Ultra White.
But like because you know, then you would argue, you know,
Walter is there's a hesitancy and it's sort of events
pull him, not necessarily than him. But then I mean
he does take control as a character after a while,
Like obviously he has a clear what he wants you
(26:01):
you know, money for cancer, but like then he becomes
I really like being a drug guy. But like with
Cassie and like because how many episodes, Okay, there wasn't
not all it wasn't was it ten twelve twelve?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
This was twelve in a season. It's quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So I felt like and maybe because I haven't seen
it recently, maybe the you know, the last two episodes,
you know, with his mother figure uh dying, he finally
finds something to do, but like he never takes that
like and now I want.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
To Yeah, I mean you could look at it as
a downside, but the he literally finishes the arc of
joining the Rebellion in twelve episodes, like it takes a while.
This whole season is about him, and now he's with
you know, working with Luthian. So yeah, it it is
(26:54):
not like you're going to see him in the Rebellion.
It's like we're going to see how he gets there,
and it's gonna take a while. So you're going to
get a lot more of that obviously in season two,
which has a very different structure.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Because I feel like that the potential, like with any series,
I'm trying to think of others, which I mean, maybe
better called Salt Better. Cuscle is actually good example, but
I won't go into it. But like where and ors like, oh,
it's about this one character, but it's not. It's actually
an ensemble piece about all these which it is about
all these different characters. But I think it is an
(27:27):
interesting storytelling opportunity because again, there's not that much in
the movies. You know, there's only so many you can
do in a bunch of movies. But like, the Rebel
Alliance is this cacophony of diverse people that are all
there for different reasons. You know, some are true believers.
So I'm just like killing people, you know, everyone and so,
but I like the story of like how everyone gets
(27:49):
to joining this thing, and so you have to, but
everyone else like, oh they're rich in funding it, or
they're over here and you know, pretending to be this
and that or so who's one hundred percent rebel from
the beginning? True believer?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
No, And that's that's very true because yeah, in the
in the original Star Wars and even Rogue one, it's
it's very much presented as like the Rebel Alliance, like
they're all pulling together. It's like they're kind of they're
not like they they all have their own views and
it is not nearly as structured as the government as
the Empire is. So yeah, but so having you know,
(28:28):
Luthen's story with with von Mothma, you know, very interesting,
very very political. Uh, there's also Dija Miro so the ISB,
so you're kind of inside the empire, but also so
it's like you're rooting for her to get that promotion,
but you're also like, but you're really bad, so I
kind of don't want you to get that promotion. So
it's a really interesting focus. What, Daniel, what do you
(28:51):
think of of Dedra and just the the inside the
empire news of that arc.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
I really like the like all of the sort of
world building that comes with that council or whatever.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I don't I don't know what they were, but.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
The ISB, the Imperial Security Bureau.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Was Were they all is s B?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I thought she was specifically know, all the white shirts
are is SB. Her her whole headquarters, her whole department.
She was like a lieutenant in the is B. Actually
I have to check. So the lead guy, the guy
at the yeah, that is he's he's all sorry, he's
also a known character recast obviously, but I I'll have
(29:36):
to look it up, but he he's a known is
B lead guy. I think he was like one of
the guys at the table in the desk star in
a New Hope, Okay, which anyway. But yeah, but she's
she's deep in the empire weeds.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Yeah, yeah, I liked all that stuff, like all those characters.
It was cool to see the sort of bureaucracy on
the imperial side and like like and like, so the
cut throatedness Dieter was a little for me. She was
like a little over the top with like how ambitious
and evil she was. Like she was just like, you know,
just just the way she was obviously she was very aggressive.
(30:14):
And then there was a really weird because I really
in the beginning, I really liked the serial serial characters.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Right, Cereal's an odd guy.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Like the beginning, I liked him, and then I don't
really know, Like I didn't even know there was a
season two so until you mentioned it. So I'm glad
to know that there is, because by the end of
this whole thing, I'm like, why did we even meet
this character? Like why did we spend time with his mom?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Why?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Why? Well, there's nothing happens to this character that's interesting.
I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Honestly, Cereal, I just thought of this, but Cerel is
like you got to see the blue Cereal with it,
It's true. Then I was gonna say Cyril is like
Gollum in Lord of the Rings where he shows up
really early, but he doesn't have a part to play
in the big moment of the narrative until like the
(31:02):
very end. That's my guess on him, Like could he
I don't know if he's gonna flip and be on
the rebel side or or make a choice at the end,
but they're kind of setting them up for that, like
where he's he's believing in the proper order and the
and the company, but it's it's running him through the ringer,
like he's not getting rewarded for those views.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I almost wonder. And again I'm not pushing for more
prequels because, as I say, the interesting story about the
Rebel alliance origins, but there is a missing gap I
mean for me, And again I don't know how people
want to get to the franchise. But like about you know,
the end of episode three, to me, the creation of
(31:49):
the empire makes sense quote unquote will not make any
modern parallels, but like of where you know, oh this
strong man will who has probably artificially created this threat,
but anyway, but like oh that and that makes sense
about like we will sacrifice these things.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You know, for safety quote unquote yeah yeah, and that's.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
One hundred percent I get it. But like to then
I say flash forward, but I mean but this episode
three and and or I mean, I don't know how
many years.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
So yeah, so episode three to a New Hope is
about twenty years because that's the lifespan of Luke and Leah.
So and so this takes place five years before a
New Hope. So we're we're like fifteen years, fifteen years
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into the Empire.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Because to me, then the question of like, okay, so
this whole thing about and or creating the rebel but
like this cacoffin well, I don't know eighty s word
but anyway, I'm this what's sort I'm looking for the
officer corps of the Empire, Like how did like evil
get created in fifteen years? Like because you can see
people having like sort of stumbling into you know, I'm
just with the system and now the systems like this,
(33:02):
so okay, I'm starting to see things you know, a
little gray, the black and white what you're saying, Like,
but the evil class that we're now at fifteen years
later of like the uh, I mean whatever, I know
there's the obvious Nazi German examples, so obviously that would
happened very quickly too. But like it just that piece
of like why do they suddenly want to be evil
or you.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Know, well, and I think what they kind of established
in in like the prequels is because everyone says like, oh,
it became the empire. It's like, but remember the republic.
It was the republic. Like the republic was corrupt, it
did have you know, and it basically it got to
the tipping point and then Palpatine pushed it over where
(33:42):
the republic the empire is the republic. It's just now
under his Yeah, it's UNDERDS. So the corruption was always there,
it just now it's like heightened and and celebrated.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
So it was the civil service of the republic, Like
how many people do we get to killed today? Right right?
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Mentioned Palpatine a couple of times, and I was thinking,
are we going to see him?
Speaker 4 (34:05):
And obviously we didn't.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
And I'm wondering because my mouth look like and they
actually show the the same Senate chambers from right from.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Nobody there nobody cares anymore.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
And I was like, is pelpat Like what is he
doing on the day like like, does does he spend
his time in like arguing for more?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
No, he just does exactly what he wants and then.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
On his desk, like what is he he's in the
public appearances and not like not really he's very well
because remember he's all scarred and deformed from his attack.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
But yeah, he's very much cloak and dagger.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
But he's around, like does he does he still use
the same office like like if you needed one on one.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Time Sperial Palace? But yeah, so like this.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Mom Mouth would talk to Pelpatine from time to time.
Is anybody else like, hey, you're you're really evil the Wizard.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
It's kind of like that. But no, well and then yeah,
the interesting So yeah, so this takes place. So talk
about like the timeline a bit, because I'm glad you
brought that up, Philip. So this show takes place five
years before Rogue one and a New Hope, and it
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takes roughly a year ish of time. You know in story,
maybe a little less, maybe a little more was really
going to be interesting? Is season two is And they've
said this is how they're going to do it. So
there's four years left between the beginning of season two
and Rogue one, and so what they're going to do
(35:40):
is it's going to be twelve episodes again, but every
three episodes are going to be a year, so it's
going to fast track through that entire span. So the
first three will be one year, and then two and
then three and then four, so leading us right into
Rogue one, which leads us right into a new hope.
So it's going to be very interesting to see how
(36:01):
they and that might help the structure as well, because
your arcs, you you will have very defined three step arcs.
But I think initially when and Or was pitched, it
was going to be like a three to five year show,
and then it got cut down. So it's like we're
(36:21):
we gotta, we gotta get to Rogue one, so we're
going to fast forward, wrap it up, wrap it up.
But yeah, no, I didn't. I didn't know. You didn't
realize there was going to be a season two, Daniel,
So I'm glad. And that does make a lot of sense,
especially with Cyril. It's like it's a lot of setup
for he doesn't get a lot of payoff in this season.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Well, and then of course what happens to when and
Or try it teams up with Luthen at the end
or whatever, and like like like makes sense. Now, I
just didn't know that they were going to do more,
which just makes sense because there's a lot there's a
lot of hanging threads that didn't get resolved.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
It's a lot of setup.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Season one is well, I think the the I mean
to me, I I hadn't officially heard. I mean, I
know people are always interested that I hadn't, but I
mean it's been a few years. I mean it's not
like a lot, but it's been more than one.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, it's been two years. You know.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
It kind of kills momentum when like season two, I
don't know, ce Prodigy takes more than one year to
come out and people are all like, I've moved on
and forgotten about it already. I mean, I'm not saying
it's not going to be good, but I mean that
kind of hurts the Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Just kind of television nowadays, at least for streaming. I mean,
looks stranger things like you know, many things that are
strip spread out. So overall, it'll only have been two
and a half years between, which isn't You're you're living
in the UK, Philip, you know about you know, Sherlock
and you know taking its sweet time to uh to
(37:46):
come out. But but no, you're you're right, I think
as soon as possible, because yeah, we should be getting
it probably first quarter next year is when, and two
should be dropping.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
We don't have an actual day one. But I mean,
like I'm we're watching Agatha all along. I mean that's
technically a sequel not only to wand Division but to Doctor.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Streight, right, which is ages ago years. Yeah, so it's
the slow slow burn. Yes, productions takes along these days.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
Are they gonna make mon mathmakill? Her husband man?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Her husband is a piece of work. I hate child, Yeah, her, well,
her child's just being manipulated. But yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Yeah, he's like because we don't obviously we only.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
See her his hair. I hate everything about it.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
We only you know, we only see like with like
two scenes of her in Return of the Jedi, we
don't know much about her, but.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Well we see her a lot in episode three, we
see her more in that.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
So, now, if I'm remembering this correctly, and ask if
I'm remembering this correctly, if I can tell you wrong,
but I think that was an interesting point of view
because her social class you know her well, her husband,
but her husband and her friends quote unquote, like you
could see that like the again no no real world applications,
(39:11):
but like the top one percent are like, hey, we're
still the top everything. Then fine, we don't care who's
in charge. Honestly, you know, we're still doing well and
it's not affecting us. But I mean that's an interesting
point of view because like you you know, as a
someone who's watching Star Wars into the original trilogy and
maybe even more than that, but like you just think
own the Empire, it's everything is dark and dead and evil,
(39:35):
and there's like people are living it up and having
parties because hey, don't affect us.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Right right, And that makes it, I think, more real,
And that's good storytelling. Is it's not just I mean,
the first Star Wars is very much like these are
the good guys, these are the bad guys. Like it's
very cut and dry and and so and ors, you know,
adding some nuance into that, but that makes engaging stories.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Murders that guy just because he was just because he
was I had a plan to make off of the
money or whatever.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
It was like, oh right, not right, But I mean,
what else is he gonna do? Like or that guy
will shoot him?
Speaker 4 (40:16):
I guess I don't know did he I don't think
he said he was gonna do that. But that's fine.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
This is like a choose your an adventure, like pulls
gun in you. It says either split it or kill me.
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Take him?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Money turned to page seventy six, shoot, which Laster turned
to page hundred one.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Kind kind of kind of but yeah, and then you know,
as we're as we're around the third here, there's some
great speeches in here. You have the the manifesto in
the earlier episodes that are that is really good. Luthen
has a really good speech that everyone clamors about. Basically
(40:54):
his you know, a man planting trees shade of which
I know I will never see, you know, as he
as he knows, He's like, I'm building something, but I
will not be able to live it in it where
it won't get here until after I'm I am gone.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
So now go ahead.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
I was just gonna say, you know what he was
doing that like when I'm like what and actually kind
of the whole thesis of the whole show, right, because
I was like, and I don't like andor so that's
my bias. But I'm like, they could have called, Yes,
they could have called this show Star Wars Rebels. And
I'm like, wait, they can't do that.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Well, they but I know what you mean, I know
what you mean.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
They should have called it rebellion or rebellion born or whatever.
You know what I mean, Like they should have because.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Essentially what this birth of the rebellion.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Yeah, that's the thesis of the show.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
But anyways, when he was giving that speech, and I'm like,
you know, he is working very hard and spending all
this money and doing all this stuff, and so is
everybody else that's that's involved in this, in this birthing
of this rebellion, I'm like, really, they're they're doing a
lot of work, and all they needed to do was
just find a plucky little guy, uh you know, on
a backwards farm planet and he'll just do everything. He
(42:04):
just he'll save the whole galaxy by himself. We don't
even need all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
He needed an X wing and a base to launch.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
It from a plan that was revealed.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah, that's true, but I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
But a complete that would distract everything.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
But yeah, no, and those bases on Hoff don't build themselves.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Daniel H. So, yeah, and then again you have you know,
Sagerera show up. You have a lot of interpersonal personal characteristics.
And I'm glad they kind of drop the him looking
for his sister thing pretty quick because that kind of
goes nowhere, you know. But he obviously, you know, is
(42:50):
interested in BIS and I again, a lot of things
that other people praised and and how did this look
to you, Daniel? Is they praised like this was the
first show not to be shot in the volume. Maybe
there was a scene or two, but the vast majority
(43:12):
of it, sorry, the volume is that thirty foot room
that that really made the Mandalorian possible. So it's all
a high definition No, no, it's LED. It's a high
definition LED screen that shows and they use it for
like room extension continuations. Anyway, it basically made so like
(43:33):
for example.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Disney makes their movies.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah, so like in there's like a scene in The
Mandalorian where he's like walking through like a cave valley
like that is all the backdrop. But it's so high
res and that's where the technology is new enough it's
so high reds that you can shoot it into the
camera and you're not adding it later. So that's called
(43:57):
the volume. So some people have, like any tech, there
are good uses of the volume and there are poor
uses of the volume. So there are ways to do
it well and there are ways to do it poorly.
And Mandalorian season one, I think everyone agreed did it
very very well. So but there's been some pushback, like
I think like Quantumnia used it and other things have
(44:20):
used it like poorly. So all that to say, people
really liked that and or was very practical. I mean
they built you know, Rick's Road, like you feel like
that's a place that you are, so you know, how
did you like just the locations, all the places we
went and the you know how that added to the
(44:43):
fabric of the galaxy.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
I thought it was I thought it was well done.
I didn't I didn't know about that at all. I
did feel like like when they were actually on the planet,
like I felt like they were, you know, because they
did a lot of exterior shots and stuff, and I'm like, oh,
this is this is cool. This feels like, you know,
actually being somewhere instead of just green screen even.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Though if it was wrong, but.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
I definitely got that sense that like it felt built,
like it actually like like not just digitally built, but
like physically built.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
So I thought that was cool.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah, even cost was needed, Yeah, I feel.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Like no, no, no, well yeah, I mean even Coroissant
was a lot of you know, was shot, like that
walkway they're walking over, or that courtyard and then they
would just paint out, you know, the background to be
you know, the Coroissant skyline. But yeah, it very was
very grounded in feeling. Again, I think the highlight is
(45:37):
is the fair ex set. You know, it just felt
like a very real plant, well a city on a planet.
I mean we only go to one city, but yeah,
very real feeling, which is why you know it at
twenty two hundred and seventy million, that's like a movie budget.
But one of the things like, I I'm glad we
(46:00):
got this as opposed to and or the movie because
you know, it's a mini series basically, and so we're
getting tens of hours of time with these characters, and
you can have the slow burn and you can you know,
reveal new characters, and I mean, like I said, everyone
loves the Narkina five arc, which doesn't show up until
(46:22):
over halfway through this show. It's not what it's about,
it's not the key point. But when you get there,
you're like, oh, this is this is great. But that
wouldn't have made sense as like an episode one or
a chapter one. You know.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Yeah, I didn't feel the production felt like it didn't
feel cheap. Yeah, I felt like it like it felt
like they were spending spending money on it. So and
of course, like there's fifty two characters in the show,
so there are a.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Lot of characters. You're not wrong there, because.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
You know, I can I can definitely see what a
lot of people would like something with Mando when it's
like usually just two people talking, you know, in a
desert or something, and it's like, I can and we
see where that would feel sort of empty and lifeless sometimes.
But like here, it was like there's always lots of
people doing stuff and it's like in an actual place.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
It definitely felt like there's some stuff behind it.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah, I think, And again I'm only going off the
movies I've seen in TV series are saying, but some
of the movies or Star Wars I think has a
tendency to have a lot of great characters and want
to juggle multiple storylines and then by doing that and
(47:33):
they're all have potential, but then ends up shortcutting because
like when you said, like as I picture and or
the movie, there'd be so many wipes about like you
know and now we're here, it's doing this and then
shoot back to now yeah Corsican and then shoom now
back to you know, would be like every ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Now you're right, And that's that raises one other question
I want to ask you both is there's a lot
of nonlinear storytelling going on in this season, especially with
Cassian's past in the very beginning where we're kind of
slowly revealing you know, he was on this you know
planet and it was mind and there was a disaster
(48:10):
and it like wiped out all the adults and so
but it's told in a very nonlinear way where like
we're cutting back and forth to it. Did that was
it too much? Like? There? It was for me it
was almost too much where like we're like we're seeing
Cassie and leave the room and then all of a sudden,
like you almost don't realize you're back in time. And
(48:32):
with young Cassa. Uh but maybe what how did that
come across to you? Daniel? Was that was it too
much inner cutting? Did you want? It's like too much momento?
But we need the we need the first episode to
just be about Cassie and getting found and then we
do a time jump.
Speaker 5 (48:50):
Well I don't know if that's part of the backstory
that he tells in in the movie, but I didn't
know what the point was. And then I guess we
get to the point at the end. But it's like
I also was like, wait a minute, what does this
woman do where she goes to another planet and just
finds I don't know what they're doing there, Like.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Why is she kind of like a privateer I'm guessing,
like you know, stealing, Like, oh, we heard about this
crash and so we're going to take what we can
before the Republic shows up.
Speaker 5 (49:18):
Okay, I mean, it's just it was just weird because
like then she saves him, even though like the rest
of the kids are right upside or whatever.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Well they had left, they had run away, but yeah,
well but okay, but like.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
They're still not far and they have spaceships, so like
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Like he's not a humanitarian. She's just a privateer private so.
Speaker 5 (49:38):
She just thought she could get something out of a happy
hand or I guess I just I didn't And then
I guess the point was like she saves him or whatever.
But I didn't know that it was necessarily worth all
that jumping around, like because there's a lot of scenes
of the young kids like very cautiously approaching this spaceship
and these dead bodies, like, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Like, especially since we don't ever do anything with the sister,
it's like, now, maybe that'll come into play in season two.
I don't know, Uh, yes, a sister. It may come
from you know the one line he has in Rogue
one where he's like, I've been in this fight since
I was six years old. Like he says that it's
(50:20):
one of the known lines. So maybe they felt like, oh,
check the box. We have to show him kind of
railing against the Empire at a very young age. But
he's not six in this for sure, So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Now I was having to refresh myself. His father was
killed by a Droid soldier? Is that right?
Speaker 1 (50:40):
His father was killed by the republic soldiers. It's kind
of wrong place, wrong time, and then he was I
kept leaning.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
A little bit on the my family was killed by
droids because it wasn't the same thing for Mando's.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
No, just man, no droids killed anybody in in and Or.
But yeah, in in Mando, that's the backstory you're thinking
of where his parents were killed during the Clone Wars
by battle droids, and so that's why he hates droids.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, and just everyone hates droids or something.
Speaker 5 (51:17):
That's why they're not allowed in the in the moss
is of Cantina.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
They can't go anywhere. Man.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
And by the way, we hate that Barton who says that,
But what if a droid killed his father?
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (51:29):
I think I think that's fine now.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
I think that's actually the backstory they've given him is that,
you know, his family was killed by droids, which is
why he doesn't like them. But uh well, and then
towards the very end you have the ricks Road and
the big you know again, it feels like this is
a place with culture and tradition, you know, marching with
the stone and the band which is weird kind of
(51:53):
you know, Star Wars band playing, but apparently in Martha's
hologram message of inspiration. Uh, they dub it a little
bit because she does not say fight the Empire. She
says f the empire actually, and they were like, eh,
it's a little too much, so they changed the line
(52:16):
in post.
Speaker 5 (52:17):
But you know, I was a little confused, and I
think probably a lot of people like that last scene
with her hologram and stuff. But I thought that because
she basically gives a call to arm speech and then yeah,
sort of the whole thing like insights the riot. It's like,
but it's like, I thought, we already did this on
(52:38):
this planet with all the banging on the thing, and
then all they've killed all the company people. I'm like,
this planet has already started their own rebelt, like they've
then they've already done this like four episodes earlier.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
But that was against the Corpos. But yeah, it no,
you're not wrong. It's just kind of like, well, they all.
Speaker 4 (52:58):
What it really composed there, and that's that's terribly fine.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
That's what they call them. I think really the core
of the whole show is a line that Luthan says
when when man Mathma confronts him after the the heist
on Aldannie, you know, where he says, they've been like
(53:21):
we they like, we need the outrage. He's like, we've
we've been suffocated slowly by the Empire that it's almost comfortable,
and you need like, yeah, people are going to die,
people are going to suffer because of this, but you
you can't have rebellion if everyone's just and like Philip said,
like the one percent, they're like, yeah, everything's fine. I'm
(53:44):
fine in my little corner of the galaxy. So I
think to answer your question, Daniel, that's where it kind
of comes back on Feryx, where yeah, they oh, yeah,
we've never liked Corpos, you know, we kicked him out,
but this is the Empire, this is the big this
is bigger, and so they need the rallying cry to
(54:09):
stand up and fight with their bricks. So all right,
well this is Yeah. It was fun rewatching and Or
and and getting to discuss it. I was really fun
to see your inside s Daniel, just on someone having
not watched it before. Yeah, I think we all kind
(54:29):
of agreed that and Or is a very much things
are happening to character. Uh So maybe in season two
he'll he'll drive the plot a little more. But still
some great writing, some great Star Wars it's still a
very talked about show. I mean, you said, Philip, like
there's many years between seasons, but this is one of
(54:53):
those shows that people keep talking about or they say, oh,
which which show should I start with? Or which show
should I you know, catch, make sure I catch. So
it's it's a very highly regarded show. A little bit
of a slower burn at least at the beginning, for sure,
but it's not necessarily bad to take it all in
(55:16):
a step at a time. So I'm glad, I'm glad
we got to discuss. I'm glad you overall enjoyed it. Daniel, Yeah,
not bad. And I'm glad you also know there's a
season two now which they needed a and or will
return in season two title tag. At the very end,
you're like, oh, okay, okay, that makes sense, because yeah,
(55:37):
if this is all one, I'm done, it would be like, well,
what nothing happened? Like everything was set up all right? Well, Philip,
if someone wanted to find you to talk about your
box set of Star Wars sitting on the shelf, I
see it right there. They can where will they find you?
Speaker 2 (55:57):
They can find this wonderful selection of jewelry right here?
In the back. I'll just take you over here. They
can find me on Instagram at C A P T
S f UFP.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
You're only smiling when you face the camera, Phillip. I
feel like you're you're upset when you look away. And uh, Daniel,
if someone wanted to talk to you about your new
position as hover car driver for the rich and famous,
where where will they find you? Uh?
Speaker 5 (56:24):
They can find me at one of Dan And I
would also like to know who is Palpatines driver?
Speaker 4 (56:31):
Where? What is his schedule?
Speaker 6 (56:32):
Like?
Speaker 4 (56:33):
Where who's his secretariat?
Speaker 5 (56:34):
And I want to know all the things about Palpatine's
doing from the day to day. Who's the man has
to use the bathroom at some point?
Speaker 4 (56:42):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
I saw I saw that. I saw a black cloak
go into the lavoratory. Probably was him.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
Well, I mean like Palpatine's like Vader, like you need
small doses. We don't want to know all that about
Vader or Palpatina. It takes away from the mystique.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
He calls INSes.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
Yeah, no, no, just sitting in the throne. Okay, now
you're in robot chicken territory. Okay, time, that is all
your answers are in Robot Chicken, Daniel, just go rewatch those,
all right, And if someone wanted to find me, they
could go to doctorSci fi dot Com d R s
c I f I. Well, once again, I am Darren Moser.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
I'm Philip Gilphis.
Speaker 4 (57:28):
I'm Daniel per
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Stranded here talking about Star Trek next week here on
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