November 15, 2024 • 56 mins
Lower Decks Season 5 Catchup
The final season of "Star Trek: Lower Decks" began this month - a bittersweet moment for the animated series.
The trio look at the first four episodes - looking at what made them laugh and what portents may have been dropped about how this show will end. They focus on each character, their remaining storylines, and whether the remaining episodes will be more in the spirit of "The Next Generation" or "Deep Space Nine."
It's so hard to say goodbye - but join them as they enjoy "Lower Decks" final episodes.
The final season of "Star Trek: Lower Decks" began this month - a bittersweet moment for the animated series.
The trio look at the first four episodes - looking at what made them laugh and what portents may have been dropped about how this show will end. They focus on each character, their remaining storylines, and whether the remaining episodes will be more in the spirit of "The Next Generation" or "Deep Space Nine."
It's so hard to say goodbye - but join them as they enjoy "Lower Decks" final episodes.
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Welcome to the net Party.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I'm Darren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphis, I'm Daniel Prue.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
And this is City Alpha three.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Hello everyone, and welcome to Steti Alpha three Star Trek
podcast Here on the nerd Party. I'm your host Daniel
and with me as my buddies Darren and philipeak eyes.
You guys are looking at a little more animated than usual.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
The jokes keep coming.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
H yeah, pretty normal. Nothing to sci fi other than
I as I may have discussed before, flipping between doctor
Who and Star Trek Next Generation. So recently started my
next series of Doctor Who, and of course you would
traditionally think that the Doctor regenerates at the end, but no,
(01:35):
he regenerates at the second second serial for this season.
So I said goodbye to the first Doctor in the
second serial, so now I'm saying hello to the second Doctors.
I'm currently watching The Power of the Doaleks, which is
the second Doctor's first cereal. So it's been of course
the I mean it's bad and good. This is the
sort of the missing episodes era, so most of them
(01:57):
are gone, but in the past decade they've done animated versions.
So I'm watching the animated version of this. I mean,
all the sound exists this, you know, but now they
have animation to make it a little more lively. So
so it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Like official, like is that like or is that just
animations somebody else?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Just no, no, no, no, I mean, it's yeah, it's official, okay.
In yeah, I think the the only weird part about
Doctor Who animation for these missing eras era is that
the animation it's not always the same person that does
all the different ones, so the quality there's a range.
(02:35):
But yeah, but no, this one's good and you can
either watch like well, I have the blue rays. You
can probably find them on Eyeplayer streaming, but I usually
watch them black and white. This since my second time,
I'm watching them in color because they have both versions.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
So yeah, nice, that's cool, that's cool. How about you, Darrek,
you're getting up to anything star Wars or otherwise?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Who would talk about Star Wars on a Star Trek podcast.
But now we've some good news. We have a air
date for season two of and Or, which I know
you guys are all excited about now, and that's going
to be April twenty second next year, so about four
(03:18):
or five months away. And yeah, very I think that's
going to coincide around.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
On first contact day.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I don't think so, which I also have on my.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Chest just a did they drop it like a drift?
Is it just a date?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
They just dropped the date. They just had a little
plaque saying, hey, coming this day. I think that also
is going to coincide. I don't remember exactly when Celebration
Japan is going to be, but I think it's around there,
which makes sense that they drop it at the same
time so they can capitalize on the hype so April. Sorry, yeah,
(03:55):
so fingers crossed, hoping they have a La mirror, which
they often do, and uh that K two gets to
go and it's all I want for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
They also announced a new trilogy.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, I mean, look, da, I don't know what happens
in your guys Iss franchises, but we've had so many
trilogies announced, like I just it just watches over me.
I'm like, great, could be cool and that I'm just
gonna wait till we get an actual launch day.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
What has been announced more the next set of Star
Trek trilogies or Star Trek four, which one is more?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, that's true. It's pretty similar.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Oh, pretty pretty similar.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
But don't worry. I think Quentin Turtein was working on
it again.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
So yeah, who look forward to his Star Wars. Well,
we'll see, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
All right. Well, we did get some new Star Trek
this week. We got we got four whole episodes of
Lord Dex and it was so much lower decks that
I was not expecting that I didn't get to watch
all of it, so I did only see three and
a quarter episodes.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
But we can talk about three episodes. We don't have
to end a quarter. It is a good and a quarter.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, you tell me to shut off.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
They went into a bar. But actually that's that is
a great place to start. Is how do we want
to do it? Do we want to just talk about
the episode by episode because it's not really they're not
really serialized, right, They're just they're kind of uh oh,
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I mean, if you look at Boemler's face, they're serialized.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
That is true. Well, I think you know. The first
thing we have to say is if you are not
listening to Second Contact, a great podcast here on the
Nerd Party Network, hosted by our good friends Tristan and
shar As. They do commentary on each lower Decks epist. Guys,
it's the last season of Second Contact. That's really where
(05:53):
it gets me because we only have ten more episodes
with them, So listen to that. It's a lot of fun.
I'll even just listen to it in the car, not
watching I've already watched the episode, but just hearing them
react like I can remember, you know, it does. It's
a half hour listen, it's a it's great. But yeah,
that's a great addition enhancing your your viewing experience of
(06:16):
Lower Decks.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I think, and I say this, then I have to
think about it, of course. But Lower Decks is the
most rewatchable series. Like it's very you can put on
any episode and you can just put it on because
I mean you can even do a slight background y
because I mean I think there's even shows that I like,
like Prodigy. I mean I would want to watch that
if it's on, but like Lower Decks, you can check
your phone, you know, do whatever. But like I think
(06:40):
Lower Decks is the most Star Trek show you could
just put on all the time.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, that's true. And I guess also the whole tendy
thing would make it. Uh it's sort of serialized, right
because she when she leaves and comes back because I
had forgotten, like I kind of had forgotten the state
of the universe when I watched the first episode, I'm.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Like, oh, that's right, previously on.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
They needed a previously on a little more unwinding.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, But but I really still love that Telenn is
just a big character and she's awesome. I everything she
does is she's like my favorite. I just think she's funny.
I love that she was a fan of that guy.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
The Tube Slayer or whatever his name was. Yeah he's
Is he a logic extremist? I don't know. Well, but
before we get to the episode. My favorite part of
a new season and not favorite part the first. Favorite
part of a new season of Lower Deck is always
what is going to end up in that one shot
(07:43):
of everything going on because they always add something to
a season.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Oh, I was yelling.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I was yelling.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
When I finally I was a little late to watch
the first episode because it's probably like a week or
two later. I was like Jesus because it's such layered,
like okay, this one, and then like suddenly everything comes
on screen and I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
The I've heard people chatter, nothing confirmed, but that like
they kind of took what they had for like the
next three years and just all shoved it in, which
is kind of what it feels like. Because we got
three additions. We had the swooping right, well, I think this.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I thought the swooping bird was remember, but its swooping Okay,
he swoops in.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Maybe, yeah, swooping bird. You had the hand grabbing the ship,
you had the Tholians coming across in the web, and
then Viju shows up in the background and it's like,
oh my gosh, it's it is too much. But I
honestly feel it's them literally taking Okay, what were all
ideas for the next four years. Okay, let's shove it
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all in that frame right now, and it's glorious.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I didn't I skipped skipped.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
You skipped the intro. You never skipped the intro of
Lower Deck, Daniel. There's a time because.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
They even change It's very subtle, but they even change
the alien that's globbed into the ship because I swear
it's different this time, because you can see like it's
inner like intestines glowing or something. This time, I.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Think, yeah, Because slowly, you know, they've upgraded the critos.
It looks a little like if you watch the intro
season one to season two, you know they make changes.
It looks less cartoony, more properly proportioned. They finally fixed
that red green issue that was driving me up the wall.
But yes, yes, all that in the intro that Daniel
(09:36):
didn't watch.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
But that's okay, I will say in terms of it
being the final season, there doesn't and maybe something comes
up in you guys also tell me at the end
of the fourth episode. But there's nothing that has come
up that seems to be like a like like, these
are all very standalone episodes, Like there's no sort of yeah,
it seems like it's not building towards anything. It's just
(09:58):
sort of just stuff happening.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
The only thing now, it's very subtle. It is very subtle,
but it's not enough that it did my antenna went up,
because it's this episode that does it. But it hooks
up to the first episode because in this the latest
episode and the I forget that's what it's called the
klingon one farwell to farms, thank you. It's they are
(10:23):
scanning the star fleeters the lower decks. Guys and girls
want to scan a anomaly a hole. It's very subtle,
but if you remember, then that's the first episode is
a whole. So I'm thinking, I think there might be
a link.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Well, there might be.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
That in the third episode where the little Manu voyager
ship comes from one of those.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Oh you're right, it did slip in from another universe.
So there's a lot. So that is kind of a thread,
I mean, and I agree with what you're saying, Philip,
because we are seeing here's my prediction late now predictions
four episodes in Boimler is is still very much like
(11:07):
reading the Red Pad. He's he's wanting to be like
I don't even remember the rank of the other Boiler,
but I think it was still a low rank. He
just was awesome and did cool things. But I think
it's going to come back full circle where they either
go back to that universe or something and he has
to choose, like, Okay, I'm gonna be me, you know.
I mean that's always the lesson, like be yourself. But
(11:29):
I think you're right, Philip. I didn't pick up on
the whole scanning thing because it is so subtle and
really quick, because it's they almost use it like a
little plot device to get her on the cleanup planet. Yeah,
but I don't think it's a begufft. I think it's literally,
like you said, something that has to do with the
whole season. But it's nice. I like it. I like
that tiny arc. You know, it's that and it's Boimler's
(11:52):
beard growing that's the only connection, which is fine because honestly,
I will admit, like the secret ship is destroying other
ships are kind of I don't know it didn't really
work for me as well, Like it was so tacked
on or not tacked on. It was just so just
the way it was done. It didn't I didn't really
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care for it as much. But so this works. I
liked my episodes like their episodic.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, that's definitely what it is. Each seemed to be
a little discreet adventure.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, and you did have the slight Tendy's story, but
then you also had Rutherford reacting to her absence.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
And that was a little bit of a and and
Tendy's story was really just wrapping up the end of
season four, you know, And they did it within two
episodes by two by at the end of episode two,
she's back on the ship, which I think is good.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
So what did you think about her adventures in pirting
with the Solar Sailor?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Is so fun?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Didn't make me laugh?
Speaker 4 (12:59):
It kind of works, I I mean, come on, Darren.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Orions were finally made, canay?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Okay? Yes, that was fun. I like the Orions, the
blue or the Blue Orions or whatever they want to
call them. But part of me, no, I know, but
I was. The Orion arcs were always kind of tricky
for me because I didn't really get the whole Like
(13:29):
I kind of was getting tired of a Starfleet officer
trying to be an Orion but still have Starfleet principles.
Like that really wasn't working. But then it got funny
when they're like, we don't want to be pirates, I
want to be a baker like that, that made it funny.
I'm like, okay, like they're actually and then they just
took all the money from the planet that's getting rid
(13:49):
of currency. Dan kim Rich again, Daniel, that was your episode.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
That was your episode that was yours, no money, no problems.
Are you to get that T shirt?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I loved that. I love those T shirts. I love it.
I actually really like those two stupid guys that kidnapped
people because capitalism was just.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Failing.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
No, and Freeman is just like, oh yeah, we were
just gonna put it in the recombinator anyways, you could just.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Right right, we do that with all the post capitalists.
I would have laughed if they had had a little
throwaway line of like, well we save some of it
so like our starfree members, can you know, buy things
that deep Chase nine because we're like, where does the
money come from? That they used in this post scarcity when.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
The when the when he takes the car, he was like,
we'll just replicate another one.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Okay. Yeah. It does god to make you think like
oh it really it really doesn't matter, okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Also you wouldn't really need one anyways, Like you could
do it just because you want them on, but theoretically
you could just on transport of it.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I still think our minds can't wrap around what it
would really be, like like we were right, we write
about it, we talk about it, but like it's so
fundamentally different than the way our society is structured. I
think it would just it would be like they kind
of did a little bit of it in that was
(15:17):
the Neutral Zone TNG where the people from the past
are defrozen and they're like where's my money and like
but they're barely scratching the surface.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yecause mean, I was just gonna say it because it
always comes down to like why do the people at
ten forward work as waiters? Like I don't. I mean
I guess you could like.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Does there people persons fillip and then want to I
don't know. It's a good point.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I mean, yeah, well why does why does Gynan do
that right because she listens.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, it's a good point. Well think
about it, like, okay to go down that rabbit hole.
You know, you're okay, you're wearing your your green checkered
shirt at ten Ford, But really, you get to explore
the galaxy. You don't have the responsibilities of an officer.
You're on the cushiest flagship ever, and you know you
(16:08):
get to meet and work with like the best of
the best of starfleet. Like those are all great reasons
and all you gotta do is like serve them drinks
that you push a button?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Do you have the same holiday privileges? Like, because it
can't be totally equality, right, Like I feel like Captain
Picard once he used the holid deck. You know your
holidacks on big is not k priority.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah yeah, well it's a closet. You know they're using
the motion simulator to make it feel bigger, but really,
if you reach your arms out all the way, you'd
hit the wall.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Oh, holodicks c is what you want.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, that's the thing I was thinking. I was thinking
the enterprise is big enough and like hasutilities, it's not.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
It doesn't matter thinking about it, like looking at the
technical manuals of in the blueprints, I'm like, why do
you need a holideck that big? Are you sticking like
a third of your crew in a simulation a time?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Because you don't, Darren, Darren, when everyone's about to die,
I have to.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Be a.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Oh, well, lower decks, a better show.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I also love they were using their currency as confetti
to write.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
It was burning it in the sky. Yeah. Uh that
one was good. The uh yeah, And Philip, you pointed
out for the fourth episode, you know, the the farming one. Yeah,
the Farewell to Farms. You're like, there's a moment here
for for you, Darren. I'm like, okay, okay, and I'm
(17:37):
watching it, and then the moment dropped it. I'm like,
I'm ninety nine percent sure that's the moment, Philip. No,
and and uh it was where to because they're on
the Klingon planet and uh to but you know, clean
on bikers like crashed into each other and and ones
like experienced bees. And I'm like, yes, no, you experienced bees.
(17:57):
You experience I'm like, oh, oh that's glorious. So yeah, No,
I think I think you're right, Daniel. I feel like
this episode was obviously, Hey, we're wrapping up the show
and we want to still touch base with everyone's favorite
Klingon ensign, Captain, Like, I don't think we're gonna he
(18:20):
was the most established, well actually him and Tallinn or
the other two, like, because everyone loved that episode where
it was like, oh, look at other ensigns from other fleets,
and so I think they're like, we have to go
back one more time to this character. And I'm glad
they did because I mean, we're.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Not going to revisit the boorg Glory Dicks.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
That was like a Seth MacFarlane's sketch one shot. Really,
it was like, you know, it was nothing.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
We did finally get closure on the relationship between OK,
what's her name Mariner and her girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Oh no, I mean there already was closure, guys. I
totally thought there was, but it's not.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
That's where like I yelled at the TV and then
it immediately answered because Amber, that's not a name anyway, Jennifer,
but Jennifer, thank you, Jennifer.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
It's a total like human Yeah, no, it's not an
editoria name. Well it's spelled with like four ends, you know,
apostrophies and an.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Apology because like when Jennifer showed up and shows like,
oh hey girlfriend, I literally yelled the TV didn't you
break up? And then it's like, oh that's the premise, Okay,
you're on board.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
That was interesting just because I feel like we sort
of because I remember at the time being confused like oh,
we just like it's not a thing. And then just
for them to bring it.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Back and I guess Daniel she stopped talking to her.
It was the clearest day I know.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
When she's like, well, what did you do? The relationship
is like, well I walked by her without talking and
I'm like, oh god, this is not gonna go well, I.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Will say the drama like so the Mariners, like the
episode with the capitalism planet and Mariners and Boemer's like
relationship and like how she's trying to get him to
be fun but also still be responsible.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I really like that, Like, yeah, he's a good balance.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah. And then and then those two Ansons ended up dead,
which was really funny because well not.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Pretending to be dead.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah from the beatle uh and the gardening robot guards
which are terrible guards.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
But it's no. It was again I feel like season
five is slipped slipping into a good method of you know,
because people. I think one of the criticisms that people
have given lower decks in earlier seasons is, oh my gosh,
it's just full of not clickbait, that's wrong.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Word references.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Yeah, just references, like like it's too much, like it's
just it's not even a full structure of a story.
It's just so from yeah, fan service of fans. And
I'm like, no, this this season. And I think there
was some there was some merit to that in previous
seasons a little bit, but in this season it Yeah,
you have the moments like of course the ship that's
(21:19):
tiny and pulled through time is a voyager, intrepid class like,
but it it works, and I think it it was
really fun, you know. Talking about the first episode, Dos Soritos,
I liked. I think my favorite part of it, which
you know they mentioned on Second Contact, was that all
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of the colors in the alternate universe are like slightly
warmer like, so that the fact that when you had
the two of them next to each other, you could
see immediately like who was who? That was just a
fun episode and it's also an interesting concept which I
had not seen in a mirror quote unquote you know,
first it was like, yeah, let's make it like a
(22:04):
tiny bit different where it's close enough where it's like, oh,
it's literally if you just made a choice versus this choice.
Like that's where kind of like in Pegasus, where one
of the galaxies was identical except for Campbacard didn't come
back from the board.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Apparently that was the Yeah, they.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Say parallels, What did I say?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
You said Pegasus?
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Pegasus begin with a P and had Riker in this scene,
So that's what I was. But yes, with parallels. So
but I liked those retos. That was that was fun.
I mean we all saw it coming a mile away
of her doubleganger impersonating her.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
So I'll be And they actually faked you out a
couple times in that episode where like the dramatic music
would start playing, think something evil was gonna happen, and
it wasn't. It wasn't anything. But and then I thought
Captain Freeman was dead, but clearly she was just not
a They keep bringing up Starbas foty or eighty or whatever.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah, it's literally a next episode is Starbase eighty question mark,
So because I need to go back and watch that episode.
What episode was the one where we visited Starbay CD?
Because we did?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
We did?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
No, we haven't. Yeah, okay, they just mentioned it.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I thought we did. It was like someone got stationed
there and it was like absolutely terrible.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I think Mariner to Memory Alpha, Yeah, I think was
she gonna get I can't remember, but yeah, they've just
always mentioned it because I can't remember. I Marrimner was
transfer there at some point that I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, while you look that up there. And I just
want to say that I agree with your point though,
because I am I was one of those people that
did think that there was too like like that one
Voyager episode specifically where I literally had to pause every
other line to like explain something to my wife who
was watching this. It's like, it's not like that now,
it's like it definitely feels like it's more about the characters, uh,
(23:51):
and the jokes sort of come naturally from that. And
I will say too that, but it always takes me
out of it when they when they do like a
specific like a hyper specific reference and then they've mentioned
an episode title because when Boimler was talking to that
that admiral and he's like they have me milking space
wheels and uh specifically as if.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
It's the which kind? Yeah, and he.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Says that episode title and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Oh, oh, oh, yes, not taking your child or.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah even inside, Like I get the joke obviously, but
like why.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
You would never say galaxy child, Like that's an episode
in our universe?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Any luck? Funning Starbars thirty.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
I mean there's an article on it. I'm just trying
to tell if I think Mariner got transferred there once
but it was like just for a moment, or she
didn't make it there, I need to go. But it's
definitely been like the running joke, like they've mentioned it
several times throughout the show.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, to me, the episodes are almost bittersweet because it's
like with every new one then that's close or to
the end, and it's just like, oh it sucks. But yeah,
I mean they're all they're all good, and this latest
one farewell to Farms. I mean to talk about a
change in tone because to me, we talked about lower
(25:17):
decks can sometimes be at that frenetic pace. But I
feel like this was almost like a you know, boutique
episode because like that opening, I assume they were sort
of playing on Picard opening there, but I mean, like
I forget, I don't know how long that episode was,
but like it's not in a bad way, but it
seemed like a minute was just the opening. I mean,
(25:37):
I get there they replaced their titles, but I mean
they were just taking their time of like you are
now entering this is just We're not even gonna be
on the Cerritos for this. This is just the klingon
you know world. And so I just thought that was like,
you know, and of course we say it all the
time with the serial serialized series. You know, it can't
(25:58):
take your time to do an episode like this this one.
It's like we're going to be on the whatever adventure
side quest.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah. So I think the episode to put the pin
in starbas eighty, I think she got transferred there in
trusted sources. It was like the pulled ultimate episode of
season three, right before the Texas class attack. So anyway,
I have to go back and rewatch that.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I can't remember the experience or anything like that, but
it's definitely being brought up in every episode.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah. Well, and I'm trying, you know, you're talking Philip
about uh, you know it all wrapping up and all
of that. I'm trying to remember because obviously there's a
couple of key dates. There's there's when the season five
was green lit there, and I don't have any of
these dates. I'm just saying, you know, when season five
was green lit, when we knew it was canceled, and
(26:48):
so all I'm all I'm saying is I'm curious in
that formula of time, you know, because animation takes a
long time. Like they're like they obviously you would plan
out a season. They're not. It's it's not like T
ANDG guys who were like, Okay, let's start writing an
episode for five weeks from now and you know, crank
(27:08):
it out. So I'm just curious, like how much time
did they or knowledge did they have of oh, you're
gonna want to write this as a finale instead of
you know, oh, the last two episodes are going to
be wrapping everything up. I'm not sure what we're going
to get.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I was reading, Uh it was I mean old. I
think it was from like the beginning of the year,
as we're now at the end of the year issue
of Star Trek Explorer like this week, and it was
an interview with with Mike McMahon. I mean, and then
you know, I'm sure everything for the press is always
you know, and not always one hundred percent, but at
least what he was saying is that he had always
(27:46):
thought four seasons and so he was like, oh, the
five seasons is great to me, you know, da da
da da. So it wasn't like a well, I mean,
the least is what he's saying. You know, it wasn't
like what I wanted seven seasons and they cut my
feet out from under me.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
But he was also sent to know.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
But he was also saying, or he also said in
addition to and something that I think we would think
if we were like, you know, maybe we'll do this,
you know, pitch the last episode of Lower Decks. I mean,
I think it's going to be in all good things.
It's not going to be uh things to leap behind
or anything like. It's going to be they keep on
going and right not what.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
You left behind where it's this chapter of the station
is done and everyone's leaving. It's more like the critos
are still out there. They're still on there, we're decking
it up. They're still lower decking. They almost get promoted,
but then they don't what else could you do?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Because everything else would feel sort of like disingenuous, like
if you all of us, if I guess you could
time jump it and then give that somebody a command.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
But I don't feel like them getting promoted and us
knowing what their future is gives any sort of closure,
because I want to see where they are now as
lower deckers.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
No, I agree with what Philips saying. I think it
makes the most sense for sure, I just because I
don't even know what else they would do, really, Like,
I guess, yeah, you can split up the family, but
why why are you mother doing that? You might as
well just say, oh, you know, and let's go into
that nebula or whatever.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Well, I mean, the last episode is called the New
Next Generation, so maybe more and somethings come in and
they're like, you know, they're kind of in that lieutenant
range where they're helping you know them, they've already kind
of started to do that, And maybe there's a whole
new crew, like a whole new four squad, or we
(29:28):
actually kind of seen like there's that cat guy and
a couple others, like of the newer ensigns. So maybe
things always just keep going and they're gonna have crazy stories.
And we see them in the hallway guys, remember the
hallway dorms, Like I've got with the I barely even
remember that.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I had a good view. Yeah, no, that's a good point.
Maybe they will like Freeman will get promoted to admiral
and everybody gets bumped up a little bit. But some
new crew comes in.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And I'm I could see the joke. I mean, they
can go two ways. One that could go how Darren
said basically introduced like at the last episode, like this
would be the new lower deck ensigns, or like they
make lieutenant in like the last episode, and it's like
this big swell of a thing, and then it's like
the last ten minutes is them figuring out lieutenant is
(30:19):
still like you know, you're around captain's commanders. You're still
the one getting the coffee.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
So I get to I get to sit at the
big table, the conference group. No, you don't.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
This is for lieutenant commanders, always a step below.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Maybe the admiral was onto something, huh.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Or or the admiral comes in so we're adding a
rank to star fleet. It's kind of in the middle
so yeah, yeah, and it just it's like and oh
oh black pip, black pip or no, no, it would
be too solid. One black because a commander is because
(30:57):
you're you're right right, because too solid it is, Lieutenant.
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Speaker 4 (31:55):
Oh, autos commander and then three they just jumped to command.
Yeah so ah, well there's space, there's space. Guys that'd
be hilarious.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Speaking up, we did get some pip play and episode one,
first episode when Captain god It can never remember her
name Mariner.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Becky Yeah, yeah, Becky Freeman. Captain Becky Freeman.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
By the way, we finally got an answer to her name.
The name thing. They mentioned that it was her middle
name and she's taking it to avoids being associated with
her mother.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
So Beckett Mariner Freeman is her full name.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
So Mariner is an interesting middle name because that's like
a that's is interesting, Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Like I mean I could see that as a middle
name because like if the family's explores and it's like
a very callback to as true, you know, it's like Beckett,
that's an interesting girl's name, or well you know that's
like it's bad. I mean, I could you know, it
works if you say it enough. But yeah, but I
also what was it? It was the the other episode
(33:08):
with the girlfriend or the ex girlfriend. They mentioned this
because we've talked about it, but like this was like
spotlighted about her parents because like they didn't Jennifer say, oh,
your parents make it work, yeah, because yeah, they're not
assigned to get.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Right, they're not and they're not divorced. They're just not
on the same ship. So yeah, I mean, like I think,
like it was never clear. Yeah, especially since his last
name wasn't Freeman. I didn't Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Remember I don't even know. Yeah, I don't even know
what's his name.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah, Admiral Carol Freeman. And it's gonna say status married
Cairtle's status married to Oh no, his last name is Freeman.
I take that background, okay, I.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Mean I can see it. You can see you and
have separate names and the and the daughter takes the
wife's name whatever. So twenty fourth century, I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
To be fair that that could be her name and
he took her name.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
I always think of Laforge's parents, I mean because I
mean she was a captain and he was like a commander.
I think a science I think commanders.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, So did we get anything else that we wanted
to see or anything else that we hated? I don't
think I hated anything. Good.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah, No, it's it's just great.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Yeah, I get I look kind of one last thing
back to the whole when did they know about the cancelation?
I'm almost wondering, like, if we didn't know that it
was canceled. Would we view these episodes in a different way?
Would they feel more rapp me up at EA? Because
it doesn't feel like that, it really does it. It
(34:59):
feels like just another great season. And rapidy upity is
totally a word that I didn't just make.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Is that how you described the Stein's last season.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
They're like, okay, guys, we got twenty other episodes, rabitypy
rabity of pity.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I don't think an episode, what what are you trying
to do here?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Three character?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
We gotta talk about episode title?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I don't think because it's because it doesn't really feel
like they are like it does. We don't know when
when it was that that's the case, and I don't know.
Maybe it will, like in two episodes or three episodes,
it might start feeling that way, but it definitely doesn't.
Now it just feels like they're just you know, part
of the course.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
They're just because like this last episode, we I viewed
it totally as like, oh, last season, you're going to
touch base with the Klingon and since captain because we
like that character. But if I didn't know that it
was the last season, it would just be like, oh,
we we'd be back and visited him. That's cool, Like,
I think it's more the latter and we even.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Got a callback to that's the first season. Episoder was
a second season with the Klingon Ambassador that now was
in this episode sitting on the Council because that was
the one where Boemler and Mariner took him and he
like crashed the shuttle pod and that was the one
where you know, they went to the Andrian Bars part
(36:30):
of the city and all that. So they're definitely doing
a lot of callbacks.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
She was trying to get a hold of him the
right character. That was the last part that I left
out at What was what was she trying to tell
him or why was she trying to get in touch
with him?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Oh, because she was wanting to scan for the space
hole and and then just hijinks ensue, you.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Know, and just saying was up, I'm in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I'm just hanging out on when I Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Well, to sidestep this topic to one other thing in
Trek news, we lost a great Trek actor this last week.
Tony Todd passed away, who we've seen as Klingon Herogen
and Jake Cisco in an amazing episodes. So I chose
(37:24):
and rewatched Sins of the Father the season three TNG
episode where he first shows up as Kern and man
is such a good it's so good, like Tony Todd
plays a really really good cling on like it's and
I mean, we're picking up off of ah, I.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Will eat your cooch, burn.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Your burn dead, burn meat. But he's yeah. And I
love the fact that they kind of immediately in the
beginning of the episode, you know, respond to, oh, this
is a continuation of the change program that Riker did,
Like look at that serialized storytelling in T and G
right there. But yeah, it's just he does it so well.
(38:08):
And even the the last shot where Wharf has done
his discommendation and he's like you two must brother, and
and you know, Kerrent does it like really intensely with
his arms because you could tell he's like, I'm giving
you so much honor, brother, as I dishonor you.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
But don't sarcastically dishonor me.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Yeah, dishonor me with honor.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
But yeah, current dirty and nine though I don't know
who who.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, I mean a whole like let's wipe his memory.
We don't want him to know that he's yeah, no, well,
okay back to the good episode, but the you get
the great line where Duross is all up at Picard's
face and he's like, oh, star Fleet, you know you
don't want to you know, fight, you know, or do anything.
(38:59):
You know, I could kill you right now and paraphrasing
in Clayton. But and then Bicard drops the coldest one
liner of like you may test that at air convenience,
And I'm like, oh, you know, it's like to be
where it was like, oh you all the background and
now I just wish we had seen a background Klingon
(39:21):
kind of like cover their face, like oh snap, like
he totally he totally dissed you, du us.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
If you did a fool rewatch.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I think there's only four or five episodes. There's not
a ton.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
It wouldn't be a ton, and they're they're all pretty good,
except for the one where they sort.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Of well because he's in is he in both two
parters When Wharf goes back to Klingon Defense Force, I
want to say birth right, but that's so Kern.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
He is in since the Father redemption Redemption, That's what
I'm thinking he's in the two parter and then Dia Stein,
son of Mog he's adult Jake Cisco and the Visitor,
and he's the Alpha Herosion in Prey. So he's only
in one, two, three, four, five, six episodes. I mean
one of those is the Visitor, so I mean he
(40:17):
could just be that one then Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
It's almost as many as Row at this point.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
So yeah, and I forget that he was in Voyagers,
so he had he was, he was all all around
for nineties.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
He was Yeah, They're like, who should we get to
play this amazing big Garrison. He didn't get a name
or we're gonna call him Alpha Herosion. Oh okay. Uh.
Tony Todd, I did notice that with Kern, at least
in this first episode, like it's I don't know if
he's just choosing to do his voice a little differently,
(40:51):
because every time I see Tony Todd outside of Star Trek,
his voice is so low, and in Kern, he it's
he he's keeping it higher and a little bit higher
of a register. Maybe because he's as he's kind of
dissing everybody, he's like enunciating super clearly, and he's like yes, commander,
(41:11):
I will do that. I will kill you. You know, it's like,
oh man, but Kerrn, I love.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
K In the Visitor, he definitely like he's got that
lower register.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
It is. Yeah, it's like he's playing old Jake and
and going from that. Although now I kind of want
to I want to do a comparison of like, you know,
people have taken that old Wesley crusher and shown it
next to like what will whaton actually looks like? Older?
Now it's like, you know, old Jake cisco versus what
Cedar Glofton actually looks like. Now It's like obviously, you
(41:44):
know they don't do anything alike, but that's just the
nature of television.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Speaking of voice voice, soon.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
We're going to see one of those articles where uh
Sirock Lofton is as old as as Tony Todd was
when he's filmed.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
This, right, whatever, Well that's gonna be a while because
I think in the Visitor he was pretty old.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Well I don't I don't know how old he was
when like he just passed. Do we know how he was?
How old?
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Sixties?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I want to say, really, I would have thought he
was older than that.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
I mean, that's why it was kind of as far
as the times it's saying it jumps forward to the
mid twenty fifth century, so twenty four forty two ish.
It's hard to tell that he jumps around a lot. Oh,
that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
I'm not talking about the character I'm talking about he
was sixty nine.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Sixty nine, okay, okay, Oh, Jake Cisco was sixty nine
when he died.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
No, no, no, the actual actor.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Tony Todd. Oh I see, Sorry, I didn't know who
we were talking about. Who with the Whatton.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Sixty nine Now he would have been mid forties when.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, but they aged him up a little, right, what
they can do that? Well, No, I've seen the makeup.
But speaking of voices, I don't know if you'll notice it,
especially this season. But like to me with Ti Llinn,
I mean, did she's using the actress has to be
using a machine, right, Like It's so like almost AI
(43:22):
theory with Ti Lynn in lower decks.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Oh, you mean how steady her voices?
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (43:29):
Uh, not necessarily. I mean it's literally the same type
of acting as people who record like voice prompts and stuff.
She's just putting her voice into that completely emotionless tone.
But I do wish.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
It's not to say like I don't like the performance
or anything. I do wish there was a little more
emotion and like especially like when she was like super
excited about meeting Krog or whatever his name is, and like, yah,
I get it. Like I also, on the other hand,
I also understand because it's like, Okay, we want to
see an actual full vulcan just be a vulcan and
that's cool. But I really like the character, so I
(44:06):
just I'm thinking in my brain maybe if she was
a little more act like emotionally active, then it would
not seem so stilted in robotic but it must.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Be just purposeful human if you could only hear yourself. Yeah,
because I mean that was a choice to be like, oh,
we need another character, because I mean they don't. I mean,
you know, in a not a good or bad way.
So but it was like okay, you know, and I'm
(44:36):
sure after so many even though it's not that many episodes,
but like you know, you're going to the fourth season
or third season, like okay, guys, we got to like
mix it up a little bit around here. So I'm
sure that was a thought about it and it works.
You I mean, I'm glad she's.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
There, and I'm also beginning to think we've talked about
this before. I'll see if you guys have changed your
stance at all. But I'm beginning to think they aren't
going to give us Rutherford and Tende romance.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Oh it's a good question, you know they could. There's
an episode called fully Dilated coming up, guys, so uh no, yeah,
I think that's going to be a lot of wharf jokes,
uh from ten forward. I don't know when, Philip.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Well, I love the because it's kind of I mean,
a not a running gag per se. But I like
how I think it was the third episode there's only
been four. Shit, probably the third one when to in
fix the shuttle that they've been working to finish the
whole time, like because which apparently they could have done
at anytime. And then you know, then she comes back
(45:41):
and it's like it's.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
Like it's our project ship. Yeah, and then she just
completely destroys it, and it's like, I don't think I
don't think. Yeah, I think you're right in I don't
think they're going to evolve it to a romantic relationship
because they already kind of like dealt with that with
the franky episode, and it kind of showed like not
(46:05):
that they're opposed to that, but they're not ready for that.
And I think, you know, we also saw a lot
in this season, like we have been seeing bits about it,
where in the alternate universe Ruttherford like went off the
reservation because he missed her so much and that was
too much, too much in the other way versus our
(46:25):
Ruttherford was kind of too much in the first way
of like overworking and trying to keep himself, you know, busy.
So I think, I don't know, I mean, they always could,
but I don't see the need to, like because what
would you do, like advance it to like they're holding
hands now, It literally could be that. Like in a
(46:46):
last shot, they're walking along the hallway and we see
them hold hands and everyone's like, oh my gosh, it's
like credits. You're like, no, no.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
But it's true because I mean, I think it's just
the way it's written, like because like he sort of
falls apart without her and then she comes back and
he's super happy and like back to being his normal self,
and it's as soon as she walks through the door
and they hug. I'm like, oh, they they could have
just kissed, like they didn't have to make a big
thing or anything like. But it's clear, like they're writing
(47:15):
it like they are together. They are better like when
they're together. Yeah, they're both happier.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
They they definitely could be something more. I just don't
know if they need to take it there.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Daniel, You're you're the expert. Tell me how Ron Hermione
does this.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
I mean, yeah, sorry, I.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Was gonna say, tell me how Ron and Hermione do it.
You're the expert.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
How they do what you mean, how they go from
friend zone to I mean, because they don't, because they're
not exp I mean other than the future forward, they're
never like.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
You know, they ride the line.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
That's a I mean, that's kind of a different situation
obviously for they're kids.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
But well, yeah, I mean we don't look, we don't
know how old anyone is in the show. Okay, we've
we've we have did that, right. They could be twenty
for all we know. We don't know they're just hanging
around with forty year old Mariner or something.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
You know, Salm could be much older, Talm could be
probably is much older.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah, I just I don't know. I think I just
kind of wanted to happen, just so it happens, and
then we're just not through it. But just like it
just was a part of the show, because it seems
like it's been a part of the show, like it's
with this will they won't say this whole time, and
it's like, Okay, I guess maybe they don't answer it.
Maybe they just want that to be part of that.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Let me switch to your other one, Daniel, So how
did the office do it? Because they they got through
it and then they still did the relationship and you
know what two one kid, two kids, I can't remember two.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Kids, two kids by the end of that one, Yeah,
you can definitely do it. I think, well they won't.
They work just fine and has worked fine.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
But it just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
I guess I'm getting over over it. I don't know.
I don't just wish I which just there was an answer.
I guess maybe maybe that other episode was the answer.
Maybe that episode where they like fell in love or
whatever on that casino bring the Exino Planet, whatever that was,
and they decided, yeah, like you said, Darren, like they're
not going to do it. Maybe that was the answer,
and that just it's going to be a won't thing.
(49:27):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think they they'll do whatever.
But I think that episode kind of showed the you know,
going all you know, full all the way and on
all of that, and it's like, yeah, they're not ready
for that, but they could easily still do something like
a handholding or a kiss, and and that would be
(49:52):
enough to be like, oh, okay, they are going to
Like that tells me that the relationship is going to
move forward, and that's all I need to know.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Even if they don't, I mean, they're gonna do a
Picard Beverly where it just is slow burned forever, not
no tend nothing ever happens, you know, right, And.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Then the next time we see them, they're divorced.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
Yeah, and they have a kid, that second kid that
they didn't know about.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
You know, Rutherford has disappeared for twenty years.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
You know, we're talking about that.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
But h but now the child has inherited his uh
uh you know robots cyborg part.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
His cyberpart does make any sense? Philip does oh oh,
like Macard's season three did go ahead and defend it. No,
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
I'm also on a sequel show called Freeman in twenty
years or whatever.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Look, that would you know what? That would be the
perfect way to kind of end Lower Decks is to
kind of like go after all the other shows. I
just think he would have like flash forward to like Freeman,
you know whatever.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
Whatever. That actually would be really funny if if the
last episode that they make references to all of the
endings of the previous series, So like they have the
poker table and the and the above shot they have
looking through deep Fase nign window while we're on Defase nine.
(51:16):
I don't know, we just needed to this window and
did they like leave.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
And then this idea wasn't have this party at this
nineteen fifties same bar?
Speaker 4 (51:24):
Yeah, yeah, nineteen seams bar. And then they have like
what is it like the the one from TOS which
is nothing, there's no wrap up, but they still make
a reference to it. Oh, that would be hilarious.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
They could do They could do a Star Trek six
ending where maybe they will where they do all the signatures.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
No, cool, guys, we know, we know what if they
had their choices did that in one.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
Of the reference episodes. I think they did already, but
we know the.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Series ending that they would steal. I mean, not that
they're gonna choose, but if they did, it would be
a total enterprise. They will be total enterprise ending. You
will see Boimler and Beckett on a holiday of another.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
Of another show. Jesus. Yes, I was trying to think.
I'm like, how did that end? And someone maybe dies
the entire episode. Oh that's terrible, it's terrible. Don't do that, Philip. No,
like the last episode that is so so jeties.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
You know, you know, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Just know it's ambiguous, I will say too, just because
we didn't bring it up or talk about it or
mentioned it at all. I love I still love Ransom.
He is just the right amount of character because he's
so everything he does so over the top, and him
just encouraging Boimler to do crazy things. It's just it
was just it was fun. I love. And also, is
(52:47):
that bird doctor still around? I feel like he wasn't.
I haven't seen him at all this season.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Oh you've because you haven't seen the latest episode. Then yeah,
he's like, that's the that's the b plot that.
Speaker 4 (52:58):
Yeah, Paul, which is so I mean, isn't a bad plot,
but it literally felt like Tendy and Rutherford were just
standing there like they don't really have anything to do
well at the very end, but still like overall, it's
it's all about doctor Biglibo.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
And the weird part is they explain it all. They
explain why he's that way, and I feel like you
didn't have to explain it, but you did, and it's fine, Yeah,
why does he have good related funds? Well this is why?
Speaker 2 (53:26):
So all right, well that is the beginning. That is
the first four episodes of Lower Deck final season. I'm
sure we probably won't be doing episode by episode reviews,
but sure we'll.
Speaker 5 (53:40):
Talk about it.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
We'll bring it up, and then we'll definitely talk about it.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
Once it's all rappity up, any guys.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Let's see, the new next generation is scheduled to release
on the nineteenth of December, so just a little over
a month from now, we'll have to say goodbye to
Lower Decks.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
Said, just a time for Christmas, so buy those Blu
rays make them want to renew it.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
I wonder how hard that would be, like, because that's
got to be rough, right, like learning that your show's
canceled and then if they actually magically got picked up again,
like how how is how easy would it be.
Speaker 4 (54:18):
To like, I know, it's hard, Like when you spin
down a show, it's like it's kind of hard to
you know, because people move on to other things, and
it's like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
I see Jack Quayton stuff all the time. Now he's
like he's just everywhere and he's in the voice of
the New Superman and the New Superman cartoon. And it's
weird because he's born.
Speaker 3 (54:40):
Well it's it's it was to me. It's interesting because
because of this past or this currency. He's gonna say past,
he's current season. But I guess they had a premiere
or whatever la or wherever they have premieres. But it
was a picture of the whole cast. But like that
is rare. I have never never seen the whole cast
together at one time. It was always three of them
or two. Even Gabber, who plays t Lynn, was there.
(55:02):
So it's all five of them pictured together because it's
always I forget his real name, but Rutherford is almost
rarely everything.
Speaker 4 (55:09):
Yeah, I know, he's always the one not there.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
I wonder if they record together. I don't know how
it's done in like professional voice.
Speaker 4 (55:17):
Actors usually, well, it depends. The short version is, if
you don't have your own studio at home, there are
places that you basically rent and you just go in
and you record it. But again, they could lay this
all down in a in a month, in a in
a week. You know, it's not like it's going to
take a long time.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yeah, yeah, no. I was just curious because like, like,
how much do you get to know if if it
is like remote and like or even one person isn't there,
how well do they get to know each other on
a on a project like this? Just thinking about it?
Speaker 3 (55:50):
Curious, I know, because like again I was reading that
old magazine article. But like I mean, like any actor,
but like other actors are in the show, but like
have they even seen the show? I mean there's no
reason I mean that they need to you record your lines,
you're done. I mean, so have they even seen the show?
And not that they have to their actors and do
(56:11):
whatever they want, but like for instance, when Jack of
course went to do it live action, then you had
to watch the show to see the physicality of Voimbler. Now,
I mean he's he's probably watching anyway, But I think
he obviously probably watched again or for the first time.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Well, I'll do it articles. You know, all the quotes
and stuff that I ever hear from the cast seem
like they really enjoy doing it, like so whatever, you
know kind of sucks.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
Well I was reading again, you know, read your own articles.
But anyways, Gabrielle, I can't my last name, who chooses
to lend but she actually auditioned for Mariner, she said,
for beccat the first time.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
So well, we're gonna that's the beginning of our goodbye
tour for lower decks, So get your tissue boxes ready.
We'll talk about something else next week though, but we
won't tell you because we don't know yet either. But
that's it for this week, Darren. If people wanted to
get a hold of you find out which the animated
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shows of Star Trek Flavor are your favorite, how would
they find you?
Speaker 4 (57:10):
I'd go to DOCTORSCIFI dot Com, d R S, c
I f I.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
And Philip. If people wanted to ask what your pet
targs name was, how would they get a hold of you?
Speaker 3 (57:21):
They can find me at the Big Target, I think
can find me on Instagram at C A P T
S f uf P, and.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
I'm online at one updown. That's the number one, not
the word. All right, everyone until next week.
Speaker 3 (57:33):
I'm Daniel Prue, I'm Philip Gilphis, and I'm Darren Moser.
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I'm Darren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphis, I'm Daniel Prue.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
And this is City Alpha three.
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Hello everyone, and welcome to Steti Alpha three Star Trek
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and with me as my buddies Darren and philipeak eyes.
You guys are looking at a little more animated than usual.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
The jokes keep coming.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
H yeah, pretty normal. Nothing to sci fi other than
I as I may have discussed before, flipping between doctor
Who and Star Trek Next Generation. So recently started my
next series of Doctor Who, and of course you would
traditionally think that the Doctor regenerates at the end, but no,
(01:35):
he regenerates at the second second serial for this season.
So I said goodbye to the first Doctor in the
second serial, so now I'm saying hello to the second Doctors.
I'm currently watching The Power of the Doaleks, which is
the second Doctor's first cereal. So it's been of course
the I mean it's bad and good. This is the
sort of the missing episodes era, so most of them
(01:57):
are gone, but in the past decade they've done animated versions.
So I'm watching the animated version of this. I mean,
all the sound exists this, you know, but now they
have animation to make it a little more lively. So
so it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Like official, like is that like or is that just
animations somebody else?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Just no, no, no, no, I mean, it's yeah, it's official, okay.
In yeah, I think the the only weird part about
Doctor Who animation for these missing eras era is that
the animation it's not always the same person that does
all the different ones, so the quality there's a range.
(02:35):
But yeah, but no, this one's good and you can
either watch like well, I have the blue rays. You
can probably find them on Eyeplayer streaming, but I usually
watch them black and white. This since my second time,
I'm watching them in color because they have both versions.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
So yeah, nice, that's cool, that's cool. How about you, Darrek,
you're getting up to anything star Wars or otherwise?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Who would talk about Star Wars on a Star Trek podcast.
But now we've some good news. We have a air
date for season two of and Or, which I know
you guys are all excited about now, and that's going
to be April twenty second next year, so about four
(03:18):
or five months away. And yeah, very I think that's
going to coincide around.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
On first contact day.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I don't think so, which I also have on my.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Chest just a did they drop it like a drift?
Is it just a date?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
They just dropped the date. They just had a little
plaque saying, hey, coming this day. I think that also
is going to coincide. I don't remember exactly when Celebration
Japan is going to be, but I think it's around there,
which makes sense that they drop it at the same
time so they can capitalize on the hype so April. Sorry, yeah,
(03:55):
so fingers crossed, hoping they have a La mirror, which
they often do, and uh that K two gets to
go and it's all I want for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
They also announced a new trilogy.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Well, I mean, look, da, I don't know what happens
in your guys Iss franchises, but we've had so many
trilogies announced, like I just it just watches over me.
I'm like, great, could be cool and that I'm just
gonna wait till we get an actual launch day.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
What has been announced more the next set of Star
Trek trilogies or Star Trek four, which one is more?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, that's true. It's pretty similar.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Oh, pretty pretty similar.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
But don't worry. I think Quentin Turtein was working on
it again.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
So yeah, who look forward to his Star Wars. Well,
we'll see, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
All right. Well, we did get some new Star Trek
this week. We got we got four whole episodes of
Lord Dex and it was so much lower decks that
I was not expecting that I didn't get to watch
all of it, so I did only see three and
a quarter episodes.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
But we can talk about three episodes. We don't have
to end a quarter. It is a good and a quarter.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, you tell me to shut off.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
They went into a bar. But actually that's that is
a great place to start. Is how do we want
to do it? Do we want to just talk about
the episode by episode because it's not really they're not
really serialized, right, They're just they're kind of uh oh,
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I mean, if you look at Boemler's face, they're serialized.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
That is true. Well, I think you know. The first
thing we have to say is if you are not
listening to Second Contact, a great podcast here on the
Nerd Party Network, hosted by our good friends Tristan and
shar As. They do commentary on each lower Decks epist. Guys,
it's the last season of Second Contact. That's really where
(05:53):
it gets me because we only have ten more episodes
with them, So listen to that. It's a lot of fun.
I'll even just listen to it in the car, not
watching I've already watched the episode, but just hearing them
react like I can remember, you know, it does. It's
a half hour listen, it's a it's great. But yeah,
that's a great addition enhancing your your viewing experience of
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Lower Decks.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I think, and I say this, then I have to
think about it, of course. But Lower Decks is the
most rewatchable series. Like it's very you can put on
any episode and you can just put it on because
I mean you can even do a slight background y
because I mean I think there's even shows that I like,
like Prodigy. I mean I would want to watch that
if it's on, but like Lower Decks, you can check
your phone, you know, do whatever. But like I think
(06:40):
Lower Decks is the most Star Trek show you could
just put on all the time.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, that's true. And I guess also the whole tendy
thing would make it. Uh it's sort of serialized, right
because she when she leaves and comes back because I
had forgotten, like I kind of had forgotten the state
of the universe when I watched the first episode, I'm.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Like, oh, that's right, previously on.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
They needed a previously on a little more unwinding.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, But but I really still love that Telenn is
just a big character and she's awesome. I everything she
does is she's like my favorite. I just think she's funny.
I love that she was a fan of that guy.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
The Tube Slayer or whatever his name was. Yeah he's
Is he a logic extremist? I don't know. Well, but
before we get to the episode. My favorite part of
a new season and not favorite part the first. Favorite
part of a new season of Lower Deck is always
what is going to end up in that one shot
(07:43):
of everything going on because they always add something to
a season.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Oh, I was yelling.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I was yelling.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
When I finally I was a little late to watch
the first episode because it's probably like a week or
two later. I was like Jesus because it's such layered,
like okay, this one, and then like suddenly everything comes
on screen and I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
The I've heard people chatter, nothing confirmed, but that like
they kind of took what they had for like the
next three years and just all shoved it in, which
is kind of what it feels like. Because we got
three additions. We had the swooping right, well, I think this.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I thought the swooping bird was remember, but its swooping Okay,
he swoops in.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Maybe, yeah, swooping bird. You had the hand grabbing the ship,
you had the Tholians coming across in the web, and
then Viju shows up in the background and it's like,
oh my gosh, it's it is too much. But I
honestly feel it's them literally taking Okay, what were all
ideas for the next four years. Okay, let's shove it
(08:47):
all in that frame right now, and it's glorious.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I didn't I skipped skipped.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
You skipped the intro. You never skipped the intro of
Lower Deck, Daniel. There's a time because.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
They even change It's very subtle, but they even change
the alien that's globbed into the ship because I swear
it's different this time, because you can see like it's
inner like intestines glowing or something. This time, I.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Think, yeah, Because slowly, you know, they've upgraded the critos.
It looks a little like if you watch the intro
season one to season two, you know they make changes.
It looks less cartoony, more properly proportioned. They finally fixed
that red green issue that was driving me up the wall.
But yes, yes, all that in the intro that Daniel
(09:36):
didn't watch.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
But that's okay, I will say in terms of it
being the final season, there doesn't and maybe something comes
up in you guys also tell me at the end
of the fourth episode. But there's nothing that has come
up that seems to be like a like like, these
are all very standalone episodes, Like there's no sort of yeah,
it seems like it's not building towards anything. It's just
(09:58):
sort of just stuff happening.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
The only thing now, it's very subtle. It is very subtle,
but it's not enough that it did my antenna went up,
because it's this episode that does it. But it hooks
up to the first episode because in this the latest
episode and the I forget that's what it's called the
klingon one farwell to farms, thank you. It's they are
(10:23):
scanning the star fleeters the lower decks. Guys and girls
want to scan a anomaly a hole. It's very subtle,
but if you remember, then that's the first episode is
a whole. So I'm thinking, I think there might be
a link.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Well, there might be.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
That in the third episode where the little Manu voyager
ship comes from one of those.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Oh you're right, it did slip in from another universe.
So there's a lot. So that is kind of a thread,
I mean, and I agree with what you're saying, Philip,
because we are seeing here's my prediction late now predictions
four episodes in Boimler is is still very much like
(11:07):
reading the Red Pad. He's he's wanting to be like
I don't even remember the rank of the other Boiler,
but I think it was still a low rank. He
just was awesome and did cool things. But I think
it's going to come back full circle where they either
go back to that universe or something and he has
to choose, like, Okay, I'm gonna be me, you know.
I mean that's always the lesson, like be yourself. But
(11:29):
I think you're right, Philip. I didn't pick up on
the whole scanning thing because it is so subtle and
really quick, because it's they almost use it like a
little plot device to get her on the cleanup planet. Yeah,
but I don't think it's a begufft. I think it's literally,
like you said, something that has to do with the
whole season. But it's nice. I like it. I like
that tiny arc. You know, it's that and it's Boimler's
(11:52):
beard growing that's the only connection, which is fine because honestly,
I will admit, like the secret ship is destroying other
ships are kind of I don't know it didn't really
work for me as well, Like it was so tacked
on or not tacked on. It was just so just
the way it was done. It didn't I didn't really
(12:14):
care for it as much. But so this works. I
liked my episodes like their episodic.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, that's definitely what it is. Each seemed to be
a little discreet adventure.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, and you did have the slight Tendy's story, but
then you also had Rutherford reacting to her absence.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
And that was a little bit of a and and
Tendy's story was really just wrapping up the end of
season four, you know, And they did it within two
episodes by two by at the end of episode two,
she's back on the ship, which I think is good.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
So what did you think about her adventures in pirting
with the Solar Sailor?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Is so fun?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Didn't make me laugh?
Speaker 4 (12:59):
It kind of works, I I mean, come on, Darren.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Orions were finally made, canay?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Okay? Yes, that was fun. I like the Orions, the
blue or the Blue Orions or whatever they want to
call them. But part of me, no, I know, but
I was. The Orion arcs were always kind of tricky
for me because I didn't really get the whole Like
(13:29):
I kind of was getting tired of a Starfleet officer
trying to be an Orion but still have Starfleet principles.
Like that really wasn't working. But then it got funny
when they're like, we don't want to be pirates, I
want to be a baker like that, that made it funny.
I'm like, okay, like they're actually and then they just
took all the money from the planet that's getting rid
(13:49):
of currency. Dan kim Rich again, Daniel, that was your episode.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
That was your episode that was yours, no money, no problems.
Are you to get that T shirt?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I loved that. I love those T shirts. I love it.
I actually really like those two stupid guys that kidnapped
people because capitalism was just.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Failing.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
No, and Freeman is just like, oh yeah, we were
just gonna put it in the recombinator anyways, you could just.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Right right, we do that with all the post capitalists.
I would have laughed if they had had a little
throwaway line of like, well we save some of it
so like our starfree members, can you know, buy things
that deep Chase nine because we're like, where does the
money come from? That they used in this post scarcity when.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
The when the when he takes the car, he was like,
we'll just replicate another one.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Okay. Yeah. It does god to make you think like
oh it really it really doesn't matter, okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Also you wouldn't really need one anyways, Like you could
do it just because you want them on, but theoretically
you could just on transport of it.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I still think our minds can't wrap around what it
would really be, like like we were right, we write
about it, we talk about it, but like it's so
fundamentally different than the way our society is structured. I
think it would just it would be like they kind
of did a little bit of it in that was
(15:17):
the Neutral Zone TNG where the people from the past
are defrozen and they're like where's my money and like
but they're barely scratching the surface.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yecause mean, I was just gonna say it because it
always comes down to like why do the people at
ten forward work as waiters? Like I don't. I mean
I guess you could like.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Does there people persons fillip and then want to I
don't know. It's a good point.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I mean, yeah, well why does why does Gynan do
that right because she listens.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, it's a good point. Well think
about it, like, okay to go down that rabbit hole.
You know, you're okay, you're wearing your your green checkered
shirt at ten Ford, But really, you get to explore
the galaxy. You don't have the responsibilities of an officer.
You're on the cushiest flagship ever, and you know you
(16:08):
get to meet and work with like the best of
the best of starfleet. Like those are all great reasons
and all you gotta do is like serve them drinks
that you push a button?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Do you have the same holiday privileges? Like, because it
can't be totally equality, right, Like I feel like Captain
Picard once he used the holid deck. You know your
holidacks on big is not k priority.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah yeah, well it's a closet. You know they're using
the motion simulator to make it feel bigger, but really,
if you reach your arms out all the way, you'd
hit the wall.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Oh, holodicks c is what you want.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, that's the thing I was thinking. I was thinking
the enterprise is big enough and like hasutilities, it's not.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
It doesn't matter thinking about it, like looking at the
technical manuals of in the blueprints, I'm like, why do
you need a holideck that big? Are you sticking like
a third of your crew in a simulation a time?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Because you don't, Darren, Darren, when everyone's about to die,
I have to.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Be a.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Oh, well, lower decks, a better show.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I also love they were using their currency as confetti
to write.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
It was burning it in the sky. Yeah. Uh that
one was good. The uh yeah, And Philip, you pointed
out for the fourth episode, you know, the the farming one. Yeah,
the Farewell to Farms. You're like, there's a moment here
for for you, Darren. I'm like, okay, okay, and I'm
(17:37):
watching it, and then the moment dropped it. I'm like,
I'm ninety nine percent sure that's the moment, Philip. No,
and and uh it was where to because they're on
the Klingon planet and uh to but you know, clean
on bikers like crashed into each other and and ones
like experienced bees. And I'm like, yes, no, you experienced bees.
(17:57):
You experience I'm like, oh, oh that's glorious. So yeah, No,
I think I think you're right, Daniel. I feel like
this episode was obviously, Hey, we're wrapping up the show
and we want to still touch base with everyone's favorite
Klingon ensign, Captain, Like, I don't think we're gonna he
(18:20):
was the most established, well actually him and Tallinn or
the other two, like, because everyone loved that episode where
it was like, oh, look at other ensigns from other fleets,
and so I think they're like, we have to go
back one more time to this character. And I'm glad
they did because I mean, we're.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Not going to revisit the boorg Glory Dicks.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
That was like a Seth MacFarlane's sketch one shot. Really,
it was like, you know, it was nothing.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
We did finally get closure on the relationship between OK,
what's her name Mariner and her girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Oh no, I mean there already was closure, guys. I
totally thought there was, but it's not.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
That's where like I yelled at the TV and then
it immediately answered because Amber, that's not a name anyway, Jennifer,
but Jennifer, thank you, Jennifer.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
It's a total like human Yeah, no, it's not an
editoria name. Well it's spelled with like four ends, you know,
apostrophies and an.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Apology because like when Jennifer showed up and shows like,
oh hey girlfriend, I literally yelled the TV didn't you
break up? And then it's like, oh that's the premise, Okay,
you're on board.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
That was interesting just because I feel like we sort
of because I remember at the time being confused like oh,
we just like it's not a thing. And then just
for them to bring it.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Back and I guess Daniel she stopped talking to her.
It was the clearest day I know.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
When she's like, well, what did you do? The relationship
is like, well I walked by her without talking and
I'm like, oh god, this is not gonna go well, I.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Will say the drama like so the Mariners, like the
episode with the capitalism planet and Mariners and Boemer's like
relationship and like how she's trying to get him to
be fun but also still be responsible.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I really like that, Like, yeah, he's a good balance.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah. And then and then those two Ansons ended up dead,
which was really funny because well not.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Pretending to be dead.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah from the beatle uh and the gardening robot guards
which are terrible guards.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
But it's no. It was again I feel like season
five is slipped slipping into a good method of you know,
because people. I think one of the criticisms that people
have given lower decks in earlier seasons is, oh my gosh,
it's just full of not clickbait, that's wrong.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Word references.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Yeah, just references, like like it's too much, like it's
just it's not even a full structure of a story.
It's just so from yeah, fan service of fans. And
I'm like, no, this this season. And I think there
was some there was some merit to that in previous
seasons a little bit, but in this season it Yeah,
you have the moments like of course the ship that's
(21:19):
tiny and pulled through time is a voyager, intrepid class like,
but it it works, and I think it it was
really fun, you know. Talking about the first episode, Dos Soritos,
I liked. I think my favorite part of it, which
you know they mentioned on Second Contact, was that all
(21:40):
of the colors in the alternate universe are like slightly
warmer like, so that the fact that when you had
the two of them next to each other, you could
see immediately like who was who? That was just a
fun episode and it's also an interesting concept which I
had not seen in a mirror quote unquote you know,
first it was like, yeah, let's make it like a
(22:04):
tiny bit different where it's close enough where it's like, oh,
it's literally if you just made a choice versus this choice.
Like that's where kind of like in Pegasus, where one
of the galaxies was identical except for Campbacard didn't come
back from the board.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Apparently that was the Yeah, they.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Say parallels, What did I say?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
You said Pegasus?
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Pegasus begin with a P and had Riker in this scene,
So that's what I was. But yes, with parallels. So
but I liked those retos. That was that was fun.
I mean we all saw it coming a mile away
of her doubleganger impersonating her.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
So I'll be And they actually faked you out a
couple times in that episode where like the dramatic music
would start playing, think something evil was gonna happen, and
it wasn't. It wasn't anything. But and then I thought
Captain Freeman was dead, but clearly she was just not
a They keep bringing up Starbas foty or eighty or whatever.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah, it's literally a next episode is Starbase eighty question mark,
So because I need to go back and watch that episode.
What episode was the one where we visited Starbay CD?
Because we did?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
We did?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
No, we haven't. Yeah, okay, they just mentioned it.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
I thought we did. It was like someone got stationed
there and it was like absolutely terrible.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I think Mariner to Memory Alpha, Yeah, I think was
she gonna get I can't remember, but yeah, they've just
always mentioned it because I can't remember. I Marrimner was
transfer there at some point that I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, while you look that up there. And I just
want to say that I agree with your point though,
because I am I was one of those people that
did think that there was too like like that one
Voyager episode specifically where I literally had to pause every
other line to like explain something to my wife who
was watching this. It's like, it's not like that now,
it's like it definitely feels like it's more about the characters, uh,
(23:51):
and the jokes sort of come naturally from that. And
I will say too that, but it always takes me
out of it when they when they do like a
specific like a hyper specific reference and then they've mentioned
an episode title because when Boimler was talking to that
that admiral and he's like they have me milking space
wheels and uh specifically as if.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
It's the which kind? Yeah, and he.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Says that episode title and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Oh, oh, oh, yes, not taking your child or.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah even inside, Like I get the joke obviously, but
like why.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
You would never say galaxy child, Like that's an episode
in our universe?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Any luck? Funning Starbars thirty.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
I mean there's an article on it. I'm just trying
to tell if I think Mariner got transferred there once
but it was like just for a moment, or she
didn't make it there, I need to go. But it's
definitely been like the running joke, like they've mentioned it
several times throughout the show.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, to me, the episodes are almost bittersweet because it's
like with every new one then that's close or to
the end, and it's just like, oh it sucks. But yeah,
I mean they're all they're all good, and this latest
one farewell to Farms. I mean to talk about a
change in tone because to me, we talked about lower
(25:17):
decks can sometimes be at that frenetic pace. But I
feel like this was almost like a you know, boutique
episode because like that opening, I assume they were sort
of playing on Picard opening there, but I mean, like
I forget, I don't know how long that episode was,
but like it's not in a bad way, but it
seemed like a minute was just the opening. I mean,
(25:37):
I get there they replaced their titles, but I mean
they were just taking their time of like you are
now entering this is just We're not even gonna be
on the Cerritos for this. This is just the klingon
you know world. And so I just thought that was like,
you know, and of course we say it all the
time with the serial serialized series. You know, it can't
(25:58):
take your time to do an episode like this this one.
It's like we're going to be on the whatever adventure
side quest.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah. So I think the episode to put the pin
in starbas eighty, I think she got transferred there in
trusted sources. It was like the pulled ultimate episode of
season three, right before the Texas class attack. So anyway,
I have to go back and rewatch that.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I can't remember the experience or anything like that, but
it's definitely being brought up in every episode.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah. Well, and I'm trying, you know, you're talking Philip
about uh, you know it all wrapping up and all
of that. I'm trying to remember because obviously there's a
couple of key dates. There's there's when the season five
was green lit there, and I don't have any of
these dates. I'm just saying, you know, when season five
was green lit, when we knew it was canceled, and
(26:48):
so all I'm all I'm saying is I'm curious in
that formula of time, you know, because animation takes a
long time. Like they're like they obviously you would plan
out a season. They're not. It's it's not like T
ANDG guys who were like, Okay, let's start writing an
episode for five weeks from now and you know, crank
(27:08):
it out. So I'm just curious, like how much time
did they or knowledge did they have of oh, you're
gonna want to write this as a finale instead of
you know, oh, the last two episodes are going to
be wrapping everything up. I'm not sure what we're going
to get.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I was reading, Uh it was I mean old. I
think it was from like the beginning of the year,
as we're now at the end of the year issue
of Star Trek Explorer like this week, and it was
an interview with with Mike McMahon. I mean, and then
you know, I'm sure everything for the press is always
you know, and not always one hundred percent, but at
least what he was saying is that he had always
(27:46):
thought four seasons and so he was like, oh, the
five seasons is great to me, you know, da da
da da. So it wasn't like a well, I mean,
the least is what he's saying. You know, it wasn't
like what I wanted seven seasons and they cut my
feet out from under me.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
But he was also sent to know.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
But he was also saying, or he also said in
addition to and something that I think we would think
if we were like, you know, maybe we'll do this,
you know, pitch the last episode of Lower Decks. I mean,
I think it's going to be in all good things.
It's not going to be uh things to leap behind
or anything like. It's going to be they keep on
going and right not what.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
You left behind where it's this chapter of the station
is done and everyone's leaving. It's more like the critos
are still out there. They're still on there, we're decking
it up. They're still lower decking. They almost get promoted,
but then they don't what else could you do?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Because everything else would feel sort of like disingenuous, like
if you all of us, if I guess you could
time jump it and then give that somebody a command.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
But I don't feel like them getting promoted and us
knowing what their future is gives any sort of closure,
because I want to see where they are now as
lower deckers.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
No, I agree with what Philips saying. I think it
makes the most sense for sure, I just because I
don't even know what else they would do, really, Like,
I guess, yeah, you can split up the family, but
why why are you mother doing that? You might as
well just say, oh, you know, and let's go into
that nebula or whatever.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Well, I mean, the last episode is called the New
Next Generation, so maybe more and somethings come in and
they're like, you know, they're kind of in that lieutenant
range where they're helping you know them, they've already kind
of started to do that, And maybe there's a whole
new crew, like a whole new four squad, or we
(29:28):
actually kind of seen like there's that cat guy and
a couple others, like of the newer ensigns. So maybe
things always just keep going and they're gonna have crazy stories.
And we see them in the hallway guys, remember the
hallway dorms, Like I've got with the I barely even
remember that.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I had a good view. Yeah, no, that's a good point.
Maybe they will like Freeman will get promoted to admiral
and everybody gets bumped up a little bit. But some
new crew comes in.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And I'm I could see the joke. I mean, they
can go two ways. One that could go how Darren
said basically introduced like at the last episode, like this
would be the new lower deck ensigns, or like they
make lieutenant in like the last episode, and it's like
this big swell of a thing, and then it's like
the last ten minutes is them figuring out lieutenant is
(30:19):
still like you know, you're around captain's commanders. You're still
the one getting the coffee.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
So I get to I get to sit at the
big table, the conference group. No, you don't.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
This is for lieutenant commanders, always a step below.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Maybe the admiral was onto something, huh.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Or or the admiral comes in so we're adding a
rank to star fleet. It's kind of in the middle
so yeah, yeah, and it just it's like and oh
oh black pip, black pip or no, no, it would
be too solid. One black because a commander is because
(30:57):
you're you're right right, because too solid it is, Lieutenant.
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Speaker 4 (31:55):
Oh, autos commander and then three they just jumped to command.
Yeah so ah, well there's space, there's space. Guys that'd
be hilarious.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Speaking up, we did get some pip play and episode one,
first episode when Captain god It can never remember her
name Mariner.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Becky Yeah, yeah, Becky Freeman. Captain Becky Freeman.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
By the way, we finally got an answer to her name.
The name thing. They mentioned that it was her middle
name and she's taking it to avoids being associated with
her mother.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
So Beckett Mariner Freeman is her full name.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
So Mariner is an interesting middle name because that's like
a that's is interesting, Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Like I mean I could see that as a middle
name because like if the family's explores and it's like
a very callback to as true, you know, it's like Beckett,
that's an interesting girl's name, or well you know that's
like it's bad. I mean, I could you know, it
works if you say it enough. But yeah, but I
also what was it? It was the the other episode
(33:08):
with the girlfriend or the ex girlfriend. They mentioned this
because we've talked about it, but like this was like
spotlighted about her parents because like they didn't Jennifer say, oh,
your parents make it work, yeah, because yeah, they're not
assigned to get.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Right, they're not and they're not divorced. They're just not
on the same ship. So yeah, I mean, like I think,
like it was never clear. Yeah, especially since his last
name wasn't Freeman. I didn't Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Remember I don't even know. Yeah, I don't even know
what's his name.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah, Admiral Carol Freeman. And it's gonna say status married
Cairtle's status married to Oh no, his last name is Freeman.
I take that background, okay, I.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Mean I can see it. You can see you and
have separate names and the and the daughter takes the
wife's name whatever. So twenty fourth century, I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
To be fair that that could be her name and
he took her name.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
I always think of Laforge's parents, I mean because I
mean she was a captain and he was like a commander.
I think a science I think commanders.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, So did we get anything else that we wanted
to see or anything else that we hated? I don't
think I hated anything. Good.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah, No, it's it's just great.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Yeah, I get I look kind of one last thing
back to the whole when did they know about the cancelation?
I'm almost wondering, like, if we didn't know that it
was canceled. Would we view these episodes in a different way?
Would they feel more rapp me up at EA? Because
it doesn't feel like that, it really does it. It
(34:59):
feels like just another great season. And rapidy upity is
totally a word that I didn't just make.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Is that how you described the Stein's last season.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
They're like, okay, guys, we got twenty other episodes, rabitypy
rabity of pity.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I don't think an episode, what what are you trying
to do here?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Three character?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
We gotta talk about episode title?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I don't think because it's because it doesn't really feel
like they are like it does. We don't know when
when it was that that's the case, and I don't know.
Maybe it will, like in two episodes or three episodes,
it might start feeling that way, but it definitely doesn't.
Now it just feels like they're just you know, part
of the course.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
They're just because like this last episode, we I viewed
it totally as like, oh, last season, you're going to
touch base with the Klingon and since captain because we
like that character. But if I didn't know that it
was the last season, it would just be like, oh,
we we'd be back and visited him. That's cool, Like,
I think it's more the latter and we even.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Got a callback to that's the first season. Episoder was
a second season with the Klingon Ambassador that now was
in this episode sitting on the Council because that was
the one where Boemler and Mariner took him and he
like crashed the shuttle pod and that was the one
where you know, they went to the Andrian Bars part
(36:30):
of the city and all that. So they're definitely doing
a lot of callbacks.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
She was trying to get a hold of him the
right character. That was the last part that I left
out at What was what was she trying to tell
him or why was she trying to get in touch
with him?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Oh, because she was wanting to scan for the space
hole and and then just hijinks ensue, you.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Know, and just saying was up, I'm in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I'm just hanging out on when I Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Well, to sidestep this topic to one other thing in
Trek news, we lost a great Trek actor this last week.
Tony Todd passed away, who we've seen as Klingon Herogen
and Jake Cisco in an amazing episodes. So I chose
(37:24):
and rewatched Sins of the Father the season three TNG
episode where he first shows up as Kern and man
is such a good it's so good, like Tony Todd
plays a really really good cling on like it's and
I mean, we're picking up off of ah, I.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Will eat your cooch, burn.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Your burn dead, burn meat. But he's yeah. And I
love the fact that they kind of immediately in the
beginning of the episode, you know, respond to, oh, this
is a continuation of the change program that Riker did,
Like look at that serialized storytelling in T and G
right there. But yeah, it's just he does it so well.
(38:08):
And even the the last shot where Wharf has done
his discommendation and he's like you two must brother, and
and you know, Kerrent does it like really intensely with
his arms because you could tell he's like, I'm giving
you so much honor, brother, as I dishonor you.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
But don't sarcastically dishonor me.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Yeah, dishonor me with honor.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
But yeah, current dirty and nine though I don't know
who who.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, I mean a whole like let's wipe his memory.
We don't want him to know that he's yeah, no, well,
okay back to the good episode, but the you get
the great line where Duross is all up at Picard's
face and he's like, oh, star Fleet, you know you
don't want to you know, fight, you know, or do anything.
(38:59):
You know, I could kill you right now and paraphrasing
in Clayton. But and then Bicard drops the coldest one
liner of like you may test that at air convenience,
And I'm like, oh, you know, it's like to be
where it was like, oh you all the background and
now I just wish we had seen a background Klingon
(39:21):
kind of like cover their face, like oh snap, like
he totally he totally dissed you, du us.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
If you did a fool rewatch.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
I think there's only four or five episodes. There's not
a ton.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
It wouldn't be a ton, and they're they're all pretty good,
except for the one where they sort.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Of well because he's in is he in both two
parters When Wharf goes back to Klingon Defense Force, I
want to say birth right, but that's so Kern.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
He is in since the Father redemption Redemption, That's what
I'm thinking he's in the two parter and then Dia Stein,
son of Mog he's adult Jake Cisco and the Visitor,
and he's the Alpha Herosion in Prey. So he's only
in one, two, three, four, five, six episodes. I mean
one of those is the Visitor, so I mean he
(40:17):
could just be that one then Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
It's almost as many as Row at this point.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
So yeah, and I forget that he was in Voyagers,
so he had he was, he was all all around
for nineties.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
He was Yeah, They're like, who should we get to
play this amazing big Garrison. He didn't get a name
or we're gonna call him Alpha Herosion. Oh okay. Uh.
Tony Todd, I did notice that with Kern, at least
in this first episode, like it's I don't know if
he's just choosing to do his voice a little differently,
(40:51):
because every time I see Tony Todd outside of Star Trek,
his voice is so low, and in Kern, he it's
he he's keeping it higher and a little bit higher
of a register. Maybe because he's as he's kind of
dissing everybody, he's like enunciating super clearly, and he's like yes, commander,
(41:11):
I will do that. I will kill you. You know, it's like,
oh man, but Kerrn, I love.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
K In the Visitor, he definitely like he's got that
lower register.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
It is. Yeah, it's like he's playing old Jake and
and going from that. Although now I kind of want
to I want to do a comparison of like, you know,
people have taken that old Wesley crusher and shown it
next to like what will whaton actually looks like? Older?
Now it's like, you know, old Jake cisco versus what
Cedar Glofton actually looks like. Now It's like obviously, you
(41:44):
know they don't do anything alike, but that's just the
nature of television.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Speaking of voice voice, soon.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
We're going to see one of those articles where uh
Sirock Lofton is as old as as Tony Todd was
when he's filmed.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
This, right, whatever, Well that's gonna be a while because
I think in the Visitor he was pretty old.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Well I don't I don't know how old he was
when like he just passed. Do we know how he was?
How old?
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Sixties?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I want to say, really, I would have thought he
was older than that.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
I mean, that's why it was kind of as far
as the times it's saying it jumps forward to the
mid twenty fifth century, so twenty four forty two ish.
It's hard to tell that he jumps around a lot. Oh,
that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
I'm not talking about the character I'm talking about he
was sixty nine.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Sixty nine, okay, okay, Oh, Jake Cisco was sixty nine
when he died.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
No, no, no, the actual actor.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Tony Todd. Oh I see, Sorry, I didn't know who
we were talking about. Who with the Whatton.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Sixty nine Now he would have been mid forties when.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, but they aged him up a little, right, what
they can do that? Well, No, I've seen the makeup.
But speaking of voices, I don't know if you'll notice it,
especially this season. But like to me with Ti Llinn,
I mean, did she's using the actress has to be
using a machine, right, Like It's so like almost AI
(43:22):
theory with Ti Lynn in lower decks.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Oh, you mean how steady her voices?
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (43:29):
Uh, not necessarily. I mean it's literally the same type
of acting as people who record like voice prompts and stuff.
She's just putting her voice into that completely emotionless tone.
But I do wish.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
It's not to say like I don't like the performance
or anything. I do wish there was a little more
emotion and like especially like when she was like super
excited about meeting Krog or whatever his name is, and like, yah,
I get it. Like I also, on the other hand,
I also understand because it's like, Okay, we want to
see an actual full vulcan just be a vulcan and
that's cool. But I really like the character, so I
(44:06):
just I'm thinking in my brain maybe if she was
a little more act like emotionally active, then it would
not seem so stilted in robotic but it must.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Be just purposeful human if you could only hear yourself. Yeah,
because I mean that was a choice to be like, oh,
we need another character, because I mean they don't. I mean,
you know, in a not a good or bad way.
So but it was like okay, you know, and I'm
(44:36):
sure after so many even though it's not that many episodes,
but like you know, you're going to the fourth season
or third season, like okay, guys, we got to like
mix it up a little bit around here. So I'm
sure that was a thought about it and it works.
You I mean, I'm glad she's.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
There, and I'm also beginning to think we've talked about
this before. I'll see if you guys have changed your
stance at all. But I'm beginning to think they aren't
going to give us Rutherford and Tende romance.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Oh it's a good question, you know they could. There's
an episode called fully Dilated coming up, guys, so uh no, yeah,
I think that's going to be a lot of wharf jokes,
uh from ten forward. I don't know when, Philip.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Well, I love the because it's kind of I mean,
a not a running gag per se. But I like
how I think it was the third episode there's only
been four. Shit, probably the third one when to in
fix the shuttle that they've been working to finish the
whole time, like because which apparently they could have done
at anytime. And then you know, then she comes back
(45:41):
and it's like it's.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
Like it's our project ship. Yeah, and then she just
completely destroys it, and it's like, I don't think I
don't think. Yeah, I think you're right in I don't
think they're going to evolve it to a romantic relationship
because they already kind of like dealt with that with
the franky episode, and it kind of showed like not
(46:05):
that they're opposed to that, but they're not ready for that.
And I think, you know, we also saw a lot
in this season, like we have been seeing bits about it,
where in the alternate universe Ruttherford like went off the
reservation because he missed her so much and that was
too much, too much in the other way versus our
(46:25):
Ruttherford was kind of too much in the first way
of like overworking and trying to keep himself, you know, busy.
So I think, I don't know, I mean, they always could,
but I don't see the need to, like because what
would you do, like advance it to like they're holding
hands now, It literally could be that. Like in a
(46:46):
last shot, they're walking along the hallway and we see
them hold hands and everyone's like, oh my gosh, it's
like credits. You're like, no, no.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
But it's true because I mean, I think it's just
the way it's written, like because like he sort of
falls apart without her and then she comes back and
he's super happy and like back to being his normal self,
and it's as soon as she walks through the door
and they hug. I'm like, oh, they they could have
just kissed, like they didn't have to make a big
thing or anything like. But it's clear, like they're writing
(47:15):
it like they are together. They are better like when
they're together. Yeah, they're both happier.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
They they definitely could be something more. I just don't
know if they need to take it there.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Daniel, You're you're the expert. Tell me how Ron Hermione
does this.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
I mean, yeah, sorry, I.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Was gonna say, tell me how Ron and Hermione do it.
You're the expert.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
How they do what you mean, how they go from
friend zone to I mean, because they don't, because they're
not exp I mean other than the future forward, they're
never like.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
You know, they ride the line.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
That's a I mean, that's kind of a different situation
obviously for they're kids.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
But well, yeah, I mean we don't look, we don't
know how old anyone is in the show. Okay, we've
we've we have did that, right. They could be twenty
for all we know. We don't know they're just hanging
around with forty year old Mariner or something.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
You know, Salm could be much older, Talm could be
probably is much older.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah, I just I don't know. I think I just
kind of wanted to happen, just so it happens, and
then we're just not through it. But just like it
just was a part of the show, because it seems
like it's been a part of the show, like it's
with this will they won't say this whole time, and
it's like, Okay, I guess maybe they don't answer it.
Maybe they just want that to be part of that.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Let me switch to your other one, Daniel, So how
did the office do it? Because they they got through
it and then they still did the relationship and you
know what two one kid, two kids, I can't remember two.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Kids, two kids by the end of that one, Yeah,
you can definitely do it. I think, well they won't.
They work just fine and has worked fine.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
But it just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
I guess I'm getting over over it. I don't know.
I don't just wish I which just there was an answer.
I guess maybe maybe that other episode was the answer.
Maybe that episode where they like fell in love or
whatever on that casino bring the Exino Planet, whatever that was,
and they decided, yeah, like you said, Darren, like they're
not going to do it. Maybe that was the answer,
and that just it's going to be a won't thing.
(49:27):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think they they'll do whatever.
But I think that episode kind of showed the you know,
going all you know, full all the way and on
all of that, and it's like, yeah, they're not ready
for that, but they could easily still do something like
a handholding or a kiss, and and that would be
(49:52):
enough to be like, oh, okay, they are going to
Like that tells me that the relationship is going to
move forward, and that's all I need to know.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Even if they don't, I mean, they're gonna do a
Picard Beverly where it just is slow burned forever, not
no tend nothing ever happens, you know, right, And.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Then the next time we see them, they're divorced.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
Yeah, and they have a kid, that second kid that
they didn't know about.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
You know, Rutherford has disappeared for twenty years.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
You know, we're talking about that.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
But h but now the child has inherited his uh
uh you know robots cyborg part.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
His cyberpart does make any sense? Philip does oh oh,
like Macard's season three did go ahead and defend it. No,
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
I'm also on a sequel show called Freeman in twenty
years or whatever.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Look, that would you know what? That would be the
perfect way to kind of end Lower Decks is to
kind of like go after all the other shows. I
just think he would have like flash forward to like Freeman,
you know whatever.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
Whatever. That actually would be really funny if if the
last episode that they make references to all of the
endings of the previous series, So like they have the
poker table and the and the above shot they have
looking through deep Fase nign window while we're on Defase nine.
(51:16):
I don't know, we just needed to this window and
did they like leave.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
And then this idea wasn't have this party at this
nineteen fifties same bar?
Speaker 4 (51:24):
Yeah, yeah, nineteen seams bar. And then they have like
what is it like the the one from TOS which
is nothing, there's no wrap up, but they still make
a reference to it. Oh, that would be hilarious.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
They could do They could do a Star Trek six
ending where maybe they will where they do all the signatures.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
No, cool, guys, we know, we know what if they
had their choices did that in one.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
Of the reference episodes. I think they did already, but
we know the.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Series ending that they would steal. I mean, not that
they're gonna choose, but if they did, it would be
a total enterprise. They will be total enterprise ending. You
will see Boimler and Beckett on a holiday of another.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
Of another show. Jesus. Yes, I was trying to think.
I'm like, how did that end? And someone maybe dies
the entire episode. Oh that's terrible, it's terrible. Don't do that, Philip. No,
like the last episode that is so so jeties.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
You know, you know, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Just know it's ambiguous, I will say too, just because
we didn't bring it up or talk about it or
mentioned it at all. I love I still love Ransom.
He is just the right amount of character because he's
so everything he does so over the top, and him
just encouraging Boimler to do crazy things. It's just it
was just it was fun. I love. And also, is
(52:47):
that bird doctor still around? I feel like he wasn't.
I haven't seen him at all this season.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Oh you've because you haven't seen the latest episode. Then yeah,
he's like, that's the that's the b plot that.
Speaker 4 (52:58):
Yeah, Paul, which is so I mean, isn't a bad plot,
but it literally felt like Tendy and Rutherford were just
standing there like they don't really have anything to do
well at the very end, but still like overall, it's
it's all about doctor Biglibo.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
And the weird part is they explain it all. They
explain why he's that way, and I feel like you
didn't have to explain it, but you did, and it's fine, Yeah,
why does he have good related funds? Well this is why?
Speaker 2 (53:26):
So all right, well that is the beginning. That is
the first four episodes of Lower Deck final season. I'm
sure we probably won't be doing episode by episode reviews,
but sure we'll.
Speaker 5 (53:40):
Talk about it.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
We'll bring it up, and then we'll definitely talk about it.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
Once it's all rappity up, any guys.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Let's see, the new next generation is scheduled to release
on the nineteenth of December, so just a little over
a month from now, we'll have to say goodbye to
Lower Decks.
Speaker 4 (53:59):
Said, just a time for Christmas, so buy those Blu
rays make them want to renew it.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
I wonder how hard that would be, like, because that's
got to be rough, right, like learning that your show's
canceled and then if they actually magically got picked up again,
like how how is how easy would it be.
Speaker 4 (54:18):
To like, I know, it's hard, Like when you spin
down a show, it's like it's kind of hard to
you know, because people move on to other things, and
it's like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
I see Jack Quayton stuff all the time. Now he's
like he's just everywhere and he's in the voice of
the New Superman and the New Superman cartoon. And it's
weird because he's born.
Speaker 3 (54:40):
Well it's it's it was to me. It's interesting because
because of this past or this currency. He's gonna say past,
he's current season. But I guess they had a premiere
or whatever la or wherever they have premieres. But it
was a picture of the whole cast. But like that
is rare. I have never never seen the whole cast
together at one time. It was always three of them
or two. Even Gabber, who plays t Lynn, was there.
(55:02):
So it's all five of them pictured together because it's
always I forget his real name, but Rutherford is almost
rarely everything.
Speaker 4 (55:09):
Yeah, I know, he's always the one not there.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
I wonder if they record together. I don't know how
it's done in like professional voice.
Speaker 4 (55:17):
Actors usually, well, it depends. The short version is, if
you don't have your own studio at home, there are
places that you basically rent and you just go in
and you record it. But again, they could lay this
all down in a in a month, in a in
a week. You know, it's not like it's going to
take a long time.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yeah, yeah, no. I was just curious because like, like,
how much do you get to know if if it
is like remote and like or even one person isn't there,
how well do they get to know each other on
a on a project like this? Just thinking about it?
Speaker 3 (55:50):
Curious, I know, because like again I was reading that
old magazine article. But like I mean, like any actor,
but like other actors are in the show, but like
have they even seen the show? I mean there's no
reason I mean that they need to you record your lines,
you're done. I mean, so have they even seen the show?
And not that they have to their actors and do
(56:11):
whatever they want, but like for instance, when Jack of
course went to do it live action, then you had
to watch the show to see the physicality of Voimbler. Now,
I mean he's he's probably watching anyway, But I think
he obviously probably watched again or for the first time.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Well, I'll do it articles. You know, all the quotes
and stuff that I ever hear from the cast seem
like they really enjoy doing it, like so whatever, you
know kind of sucks.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
Well I was reading again, you know, read your own articles.
But anyways, Gabrielle, I can't my last name, who chooses
to lend but she actually auditioned for Mariner, she said,
for beccat the first time.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
So well, we're gonna that's the beginning of our goodbye
tour for lower decks, So get your tissue boxes ready.
We'll talk about something else next week though, but we
won't tell you because we don't know yet either. But
that's it for this week, Darren. If people wanted to
get a hold of you find out which the animated
(57:06):
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they find you?
Speaker 4 (57:10):
I'd go to DOCTORSCIFI dot Com, d R S, c
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Speaker 2 (57:15):
And Philip. If people wanted to ask what your pet
targs name was, how would they get a hold of you?
Speaker 3 (57:21):
They can find me at the Big Target, I think
can find me on Instagram at C A P T
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Speaker 2 (57:28):
I'm online at one updown. That's the number one, not
the word. All right, everyone until next week.
Speaker 3 (57:33):
I'm Daniel Prue, I'm Philip Gilphis, and I'm Darren Moser.
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