December 6, 2024 • 46 mins
New-New Trek Favorite Characters
With Trek fans "of a certain age", it can be tempting for your list of favorite characters to be cemented from the 1990s and earlier. In order to shake things up, the trio look at post-JJ films era of television series and pick their favorite characters from "Discovery," "Lower Decks," "Prodigy," "Strange, New Worlds" and "Picard". Which characters stand out the most from each series? What about "secondary" characters who we enjoy? Do any of this "new crop" of adventurers take the place of our old top 10 favorite characters? Who did we wish we could see more of?
Log into Paramount+ and let us know your top 5 characters from the 21st Century-produced shows.
With Trek fans "of a certain age", it can be tempting for your list of favorite characters to be cemented from the 1990s and earlier. In order to shake things up, the trio look at post-JJ films era of television series and pick their favorite characters from "Discovery," "Lower Decks," "Prodigy," "Strange, New Worlds" and "Picard". Which characters stand out the most from each series? What about "secondary" characters who we enjoy? Do any of this "new crop" of adventurers take the place of our old top 10 favorite characters? Who did we wish we could see more of?
Log into Paramount+ and let us know your top 5 characters from the 21st Century-produced shows.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the net Party.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Darren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphis, I'm Daniel Prue, and.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is City Alpha three.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hello everyone, and welcome to SETI Alpha three Star Trek
podcast here on the New Party Network. I am your
host Daniel Prue, and joining me as always are my
two good buddies, Darren and Philip. Hey, guys, how is
your how's your week? Did you guys do anything Star
Trek related at all?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, the one of the chapters of the Star Trek
Club SF I'm in not mine, but another one called
the uss Omnus had a virtual con this weekend, so
it was, you know, nothing to elaborate, butod it was
kind of cool. They used a gaming I don't want
to call it platform interactive thing that I'm not never
(01:02):
used before called roadblocks. Okay, yep, yep, ye see you
would be familiar with.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It's a small billion dollar industry, but yeah, sure, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
They basically build this like outdoor festival con environment, so
it was like half carnival and then half con with
like uh but like outside so that was kind of cool.
And then we would did the audio via discord and
it's all all new to me and so. But that
was very cool because we had I got to I
spoke for a session, but they had different people, so
(01:32):
that was pretty cool. And then just a slight tangent
this past week. I don't know what it is that that,
you know, it's like one of those times and fandom,
we're suddenly like everyone's talking about the motion picture and
you're like, I don't know why, but like it seemed
like this past week everyone, I say everyone but my
social media and everything has been talking about the Ring Enterprise.
(01:54):
I don't know if you all have seen it. It's
just like weird. I keep seeing it, like, oh, here's
this picture and here's this design and then here I'm like,
is this like the Ring Enterprise anniversary or something. I mean,
I I could touch my my eagle mass right here
of because I really do like it. But anyway, just
a bizarre thing. I mean, I like it and I
just thought it.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Was cool, But like, what happened once is interesting, but
happening three times that's peculiar.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
What about you? Darn did you watch that weird AI
thing from last night?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I know, gotch I still haven't had two seconds to
watch it. Time I hear I've literally watched like bits
of it with the sound off, which apparently is totally
fine because apparently there's no Dockings in it. So but
I did realize though, that I know one of the actors.
So the my friend Gordon is the one who played
the I don't know the species name, but it's that
(02:46):
gray with the big neck collar and he's in the
gold uniform. So he did the makeup. He was in
the makeup for that, which totally makes sense because he
does stuff like that all the time. So yeah, but
I will I will get back to you on that.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
You should ask him if he like, I'll.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Be seeing him today, so I'll ask him about that. Yeah,
just stand there and look cool.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I mean, that's everything, Like this.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Is a podcast exclusive, just an interview.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You know, he would he would talk my ear off
on it. He loves sharing about his stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So well, we did get some new lord X, but
we were just talking before before we got on the mic,
and Darren and I are not caught up. So Darien's
caught up. I'm not caught up.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's just only you, Dane.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Only that's we're ahead of you on So so all we.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Did is predict that the last episode would be completely
live action, and then it blew our minds again, total prediction,
not going to happen, but it would be hilarious.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
The case does we called it?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yes, that's right, put a time stamp on it because
well it uh So I thought I was trying to
think of something to talk about, and Philip to me
to think about the characters, and I was, you know,
we've talked a lot, of of course, about all the
different characters in Star Trek. Well not all that would
be impossible, but many, many characters. And I was thinking,
(04:12):
you know, we sort of just generally probably under know
and have an understanding of like, oh this is my favorite,
like we all love Captain Picard, right, for example. But
I was trying to think if all of these newbies,
these new kids on the block would shake up our
rankings at all, like maybe you know, we'd like Captain
(04:32):
Pike more than Captain Pricard or whatever. So I just
thought we'd go through and talk about our favorite character
or two if it's necessary, from each of the shows,
and we'll start with Discovery. Uh And since I'm sort
of just launching the statue now though, yes, well, I
(04:53):
think for Discovery. It's going to be pretty pretty cut
and dry, but I'll go ahead and say it, and
you can start thinking of what else you who else?
You might maybe honorary mention or whatever. But I think
Through is going to be kind of hands down the
favorite character, at least for me anyways, because he feels
like the most traditional Star Trek character. You know, he
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fills that data role, that Spock role, you know, very
Star Trek type, sciencey alien dude who doesn't really understand well,
you know, he understands, but you know, he's just kind
of alien. And of course, you know, played by the
excellent Doug Jones, he was just a standout. He was
always a standout, and I don't know what happens to
(05:37):
him at the end. I forgot to check on that,
but I wanted to. But so you guys can either
riff off of what I'm talking about, or if you
want to bring up a character someone else, or if
I agree with me completely, which was probably what you
should do.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So I'll say I'll say Larka again, we only got
him talking about season war, but like, it's still just
such an interesting portrayal and it almost it can almost
gotta makee sense that he was evil in the end,
because he definitely was channeling that kind of like Ronnie Cox,
like I'm not your dad's captain vibe of like you know,
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the admirals or the other captains would come on actually no, sorry,
not admirals, but like with other captains would come on
TNG and just it was so jarring because it was
someone else in the center seat and You're like, four ships,
what's going on? This is crazy? You know? So yeah,
I'd say I need, I need to watch season one again,
(06:32):
even though you asked me to, but just for I
want to see Lorca again. I want to see even
though he's not Prime Lorca, he disguised it well enough
to emulate a starfleet captain in that era.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
To you, he's Prime Lorca. Uh yeah, I I to
echo through. I think about it. It's hard and it's
not a discoverything per se, because I I remember when
I was first watching Voyager and maybe even now I'm
thinking about it. But like it's like I liked all
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of them. It was to me, it was truly an ensemble,
and so it wasn't like I had a favorite character
because they were I liked them all and so Discovery,
it's like to me, no one like I mean, obviously
Michael's something character, but like for me, no one just
jumps out. But I mean, I agree with Saru.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
But you can't pick a favorite character from Voyager.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I mean there's more some I like more than others.
Not that I hate anyone, but it's like, but like Discovery,
my answer is this, so like Cu, yes, but like
what I'm doing with when I'm in large doses, I think, yeah,
there's enough doses. That's what I agree with Flurkre But
of course only season one. I'm also gonna like go
even lower on the tier of like screen time. But
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someone I still like was Hugh Doctor Hugh Coolber. And
so I just thought Wilson Cruz brought a lot to that,
I mean, theoretically nothing character. It was sort of like
you know, assistant CMO, you know, spouse to the main
character Stammets. But I thought he brought so much to
that character that you made him care about it. And
(08:12):
then when he got you know, ghacked midway through season one,
You're like, what.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
The what what they brought him back?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And then they brought him back, which you know, not
until season two but thankfully. I mean that was one
of the things like, yeah, that's stupid, but I'm glad
you did because I thought he got killed in a
stupid way.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Well, how do they bring him back? I literally can't
mushroom magic. I can't. I thought, yeah, it's a good choice.
I mean, if we're going to talk about favorite characters,
especially like even like them, I mean I like Stammets,
even though he's like kind of an unlikable person, like
he's kind of miserable.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I think, like, to me, it was funny watching season
one again because I remember, oh, hating Stammets and and
then I'm like, but he gets laid back later and
I was like, I couldn't remember why, and I mean,
you're gonna remember why, but then you're not gonna remember
why why Now, once he got hooked up to the
(09:12):
spot drive, he got relaxed. But the way it's played
is because the dude is high on mushrooms. That's how
he got laid back, Like he's this miserable get Finally
he gets convinced to be, you know, substitute for the
Tartar grade, and then like the next episode he's like, hey, dude,
I'm like and then he just stays that way from
(09:33):
now on, so you know, he is endorsing I guess mushrooms,
you know, making someone better. I guess that's the message
kids do drugs.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
There's a whole network. It's you have to see it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, a whole galaxy. Man, it's awesome. Lorca is a
good choice too. Of course, just still wish we could
see Prime Marker because he'd be pretty cool to it.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I know, No I haven't. I know, none of us
you see. I haven't seen it. I know, and if
you have seen it, I know a lot of people
liked the new first officer in the last season so
played by the guy from Battlestar Galactica, the one of
the bad guys. Yeah, I can't remember which model. He's
the philosophy model. You remember that guy. I don't know
(10:20):
the character's name, but anyway, yeah, well yeah, he was
like the first one or not the first one that
I got discovered, but like he was the one that
Adamic killed and like, uh you know I'm talking about Sorry,
just helpful, just googled him. But anyway, but he played
an alien. I forget what he was in Discovery for
them to be first officer and people liked him. But
(10:42):
but other than that, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Okay, interesting, All right, well there we go. Is there
anybody else that we want to just mention as a
as a yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Against characters like I'm just not a big Michael or Tilly.
I know people are, and that's fine, just not necessarily
hits mine.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Yeah. I like Tilly fine Michael that I could probably
le behind, but it is what it is. Okay, let's
move on.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I mean, do you say Pike do you count him?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well, we'll talk about him now, because I was thinking
of besides Pike. I'm trying to think so I would
pick Pike for Strange New Worlds just because you know,
obviously Anthon does a great job. I mean he's he's
just really really like he carries that role really well.
But I don't know who, like what would you guys? Peck?
Who is your who? When you watch Strange New Worlds?
(11:29):
Are you mad that they killed that blind engineer? I
can't remember his name.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Hammler something that was it?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, Hamla, I'm del you know, there's a character and
not that I didn't like her, but like I felt like, okay, whatever,
and it's just something I don't know if it's the actress,
and I don't mean it that way that it's the actress,
but like I don't know if it's her performance, is
what I mean. But just I went because I don't
know if I like the character, but I still like
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seeing the character because of she does with it. And
that's Nurse Chapel, who I mean, per se is kind
of slightly annoying in some times in some ways, but
it's just something that that I can't remember the acts
name top of my head, but anyway, uh, just something
she does that like just makes that a watchable character.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, you it's sort of at least I have to
like sort of divorce my idea of Nurse Chapel from
her just because, like you said, it's like it's weird
and it's like very different. Like it's very very very different.
Like it's not even trying to go like with Ethan
and Spock, like he's definitely trying to He's doing his
best Nimoy, you know what I mean, This is not
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the case here. It's just like sort of a different character.
But she's interesting for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
What about you, Darren, Ah, gosh, Yeah, it's yeah, I
would agree with with Chapel I think, you know there,
she's kind of like I feel like she.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Has more story plots, you know what I mean, Like
she's actually in more that's happening. So uh but even
just Spock. I know it's Spock, but like, man, you're
getting a lot of good stuff with that Spock. Okay,
I f I I'll do a Strange of worlds. Rewatch,
you've convinced me.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I mean you got yeah, by by law, you have
to do it anyway. When then you see those starts, right,
that's true, that's true. So hot, young Spock. We're putting
it down as.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Hey, I don't know, we know. Do we have a date?
I don't think we do, not as.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Precise d I'm sure it's going to be after. I'm
sure it's going to be soon. That's how I should
phrase it. In other words, we'll have section thirty one
in jan I assume Strange New World is up next,
because obviously we're running out of shows at this point.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
The Lower Dex is over February something yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Probably if not March. Yeah, because I mean I'm not
going to through every character, but like I mean, the doctor, uh, Panka,
I'm saying that wrong. That sounds right, you know, he's
brought something new to that. I mean, I don't like
that how he became like a murderer basically, if I
can forget that episode, I think he's because I think,
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you know, he had that first season with his daughter
and you're like, well, that's his only story maybe, but
then he don't he gets beyond that, literally because they
get rid of her. So but I think he brings
something interesting. But yeah, all the other characters are good,
but just again, don't jump. I mean, I don't know
con you know. And then number one but she.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean she had that episode. I was thinking,
like she feels kind of like a maybe not wasted potential,
but like I just there's just not a lot with her.
I don't I don't know which on that one episode
number one what I was thinking about, I don't know.
There's just I wish there was more there.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
It's to me, it's it's interesting because you were talking about,
you know, how much are the actors hand or writers
or you know, whoever you want to play or hamstrung
by what came before, and you were saying, you know,
chapels different, and I agree, But I think number one
is leaning into number one, even though we only got
little of her in the cage. But she's basically a vulcan.
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I mean, that's how the character.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
She's very vulcan.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
And so we're seeing because even though where you're seeing
Spock be this more emotional thing in Strange New Worlds,
but you know, arguably you can see where that goes
or why that is. But like she's supposed to be
competent number one pretty straight by the book.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I think the harder thing too with her character is
the fact that it kind of suffers from it's a
called just like ensemble miss like like she kind of
gets the short end because there's so many characters and
his story can only be about so many people at
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a time.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, and when we only get ten episodes.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Like right, oh yeah, if this was a twenty episode,
twenty six even he would I think we would know
her much more.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Man, if we got twenty six episodes a season of
Strange New World how many musical episodes would we have.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
We'd have one.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
So no mention in Discovery or Stranging Worlds of the
later editions, right like in in Discovery we got tag
Nataro brought her up and then of course in strange
worlds now we have I can't remember what he's the
actor's name, but chief engineer, Yeah, the Chief engineer, lady.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Other comedic actor other yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Late later edition actors you know who are funny. That's
definitely a trumpe. But do you know they're fine. But
I was just thinking I couldn't even remember the character's name, so.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Well, I think for the and this is nothing against
the people just can't remember their names. That's not that's
our whole they're not not theirs. But with the new
Chief Engineer is a very famous actress, of course, but
like the way she's introduced, it's almost like, well, she's temporary,
Like like I'm almost like the show's like, don't get
attached to her. You know, we had because we thought
we were gonna get attached to Himler and then they
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gacked him, and then we got this new one, and like, well,
we know Scotty's eventually got to come up, right, And
so it's like and so you know, you almost feel like, Okay,
she's a cameo that'll come in every now and then,
but yeah, maybe she's the guy nan of the show.
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, Well, because like Discovery had the rotating captain's seat,
you know, up until four season four or whatever, so
maybe that was like the idea. But then obviously they
already brought Scotty in, so I guess we'll see what happens.
But we'll see. Okay, unless you guys have anybody else
that you want to bring up, we can move on
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to what do I do for Let's do prodigy a prodigy,
And because there's lots of characters and stuf Art prodigy,
I don't know if we want to make a rule
that legacy characters don't count, just because there.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Is no rules in Star Trek, so you can't say anyway,
but you can't say holographic Janeway's yes, yeah, you can
just be creative.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Go ahead, and now you can say you can use
whatever character you want, but it'd be interesting. What do
you guys think? Who's your favorite prodigy?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Darren h Honestly, I really liked Zero. I think the
whole Meducin aspect. I mean, gosh, you in the last
second season they really did a lot with her character. Uh,
and so I think that, yeah, that was just I
remember the beginning thinking it was gonna kind of be
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a throwaway thing. Of like, oh no, they can't get
out of their suit. But it was so much more
than that type of a character. So I really I
really enjoyed, enjoyed all that.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, yeah, Zero's cool.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
They were they were really cool and I still want
to make make that puppet someday.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
So would it be the original season?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I would probably.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I would probably go with one of the white suits,
so where she's kind of like Starfleety. Maybe not the
final one, I don't know. Probably not the season one though,
where it's all junkie, but who knows it. I haven't
gotten that far in my thoughts.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, what about I feel like Gwen.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Because with the caveat, it answers Gwen because I think
she is the true leader of that group, which I
theoretically season three would have shown.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Because she's not still.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Well no no, and I'm optimistic, but reality is thinking it.
My only caveat is the second season she got so
bogged down in her story that she didn't get a
chance to shine. You know, when you're like got the
strap on, you about to be a racial reality for
you know, you know the twenty episodes, there's something so
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much you can do now, I mean, you know, and
so she was sort of focused on her home planet,
whereas it'd be cool just in these adventures if she
got a little more of a bigger perspective. Not that
she didn't, but you know, you know what apprentice she
got sidelined a little bit from the rest of the crew.
But yeah, Gwenn definitely, just because I mean, she's the
she's the natural. I'm still a kid. They're all kids,
but sort of the natural one who will be the captain?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, I like one a lot because she's like super competent,
and I if there was going to be more prodigy,
I would have been I'd be happy that we now
are now leaving her that big story element behind, right,
Like you can move forward with her. She could just
be the leader. All of her like family and past
(20:46):
and all that stuff is now done. We're done with it.
We can move forward. And but obviously, who knows if
if we'll see any more of that.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Because it's funny in many ways, she's the action hero,
like she fights the best and the most. I mean,
because you would think stereotypically maybe it's the male boy character,
but he can only shoot it, I mean only but
he only shoots phasers. Like that's his that's his attack,
you know, rural phaser role for him. And then rock Talk,
(21:14):
who obviously is the stereotypical big one, but that obviously
that's just that's all, you know not and then of course,
I mean the murderer is of course Murph, but you
don't know what version you're going to get. And I
do prefer my characters to talk, so that's only why
Murphy isn't my favorite. But yes, so Gwinn, I mean
like she's got it all leader action hero, you know everything.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, she's she definitely does. I I would pick a
rock Talk is actually my favorite character just because I
love you know that that she breaks down Like like
you said, she obviously has a look, and she is
a stereotypical life like, tough, scary character but obviously played
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by a little girl and is really into science, and
I love what she was trying to whip everybody into
shape in the beginning of season two and she's like,
you know, this is not what we're supposed to be doing,
you know, I want to just want to be working
on the ship and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Oh worse, we'll be expelled exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, So I like, yeah, she definitely had her bidy vibes. Yeah, no,
I like I like Drock Talk too.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
She was honestly Prodigy yep. Prodigy is up there in
terms of like overall cast. I think I like everybody.
I don't think there's anybody that I actively dislike when
I'm watching Prodigy. There's just like elements that I don't like.
But I think all the main cast are really good.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, yeah, and everyone gets well, I won't say that,
but at times everyone gets there turned maybe more in
season one season two, so even like, oh Jacob POGs,
you know, he's annoying the comic relief, but like you
get his story and it's pretty cool or interesting anyway.
And then he gets a little a slight arc in
season two of just you know, trying to fit in
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and then going back to what he was. But it's
cool because he is. I mean, they all are, but
he helps that outsider's perspective because he doesn't know what
the Federation is. Even when he's in there in season two,
he's still like, oh, well, I guess you're supposed to
act this way, and he's pretending and then he still
does what he does, and you.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Know, so he knows his own race, so like, it's
more interesting when he gets on the voyager A and
he sees the other Tellerite and that is a whole
nother dynamic.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, yeah, mot't see. Is there any other honorable mentions
that we want to talk about with a bad.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Guy Chacote and the hollow geographic doctor and not the
bad guy he's.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Just you don't see that.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Oh yeahs number one? Whatever happened to that guy?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
He's kind of the bad guy for the Ford hot second,
he did not like the kids bird guy.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, nobody said Janeway though, So that's Admiral Chanha. All right,
let's move on to then, uh lower decks and Philip
will start with you. But what do you what would
you say your favorite character from Lower DEXes. It's gonna
be interesting. One.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
It's between I mean, I'm gonna I'll pick one, but
I'll talk it out. It's between Tendy and Routh. Thefords
a fit choose between the two of them, because I'm like,
who would I want more at Tendy? I think has
to be Tendy. I think rough Rutherford, God bless him.
He's a little one note but I like him. But
I think tendy because she has a range because she
(24:48):
is death pirate, but she also is you know, loves
science geek, and so you get that full range of
that her perspective of being the what is she the
Princess of night Shade or I forget that, which.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
She is mistress of the Winter constellation. There you go.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
She's that awesome just I know and everyone instantly you know.
But she's also you know, lieutenant junior grade ritical science.
Yeah you know, and so yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, Tenny's great. Rutherford would would be my number two.
He has one note, but he's funny. Darren, what about you?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Uh yeah, it's harder. It's harder for me. I I
would say it's it's always almost tender as well, because
she's just such an interesting character. But Boibler's really grown
on me, Like Boiler was very uk about for a second,
like he is very you know, Oh look Boibler's screaming
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again in this episode. But uh no, I I like Boiler.
I'm curious to see how they wrap up the the
Red Pad arc and uh well we'll go from there.
But no, I like Boyblaier.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I think I'm gonna pick I just love Ransom, so much.
Every time he does something, it just cracks me up.
I think he's the funniest character. Uh, And they do
give him a little bit of depth every now and then,
like uh when they one episode where the you think
that there was going to be a relationship between her
and him and yeah, and they obviously went in a
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different direction. Now I love him. I think he's so funny.
Every time he's doing something, it's ridiculous and over the top,
and I just it just guess we're going.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I feel like there was there was a I mean,
I don't know, it just me as an audience member,
there was an instinct perhaps to make that a undermining
the captain character. And there's times where they like kind
of touched that. But he's actually the most like ninety
nine percent loyal first, like he is happy, Like I
don't think he wants to be captain, Like they've touched
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it sometimes where he like when he was like the
godlike just.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Won't sit down.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
But he's happy where he like he is Commander Ransom
and he's happy about it, Like he's not out to
get the captain or underminer. He's happy to support the
captain and he gets to do his thing and he's
happy about it. You know, do his exercises and do
crew evaluations and he's happy.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I was gonna say he won't sit down because he's
doing push ups. He just kept more and more push ups.
There's a lot of good characters to like as well.
I'm trying to think of.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I mean, the Chief Engineer is a renaissance prince.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I always forget about him, but he's funny too. What
a crazy like concept for a character. I mean, he's
very star Trek. He's like very campy Star Trek. That
whole episode when he went to his planet, it was
just so silly and I love that, Like it comes
back all the time, like like just like like one
off quick jokes, like.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
He's like, oh yeah, oh I totally forgot about that,
but yeah that's I mean, the thing.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
In the was that first episode of the season. He's
the he the Mayory or the the other universe him
is is he's like the king or the prince, like
he's wearing his his full thing.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
It's always so funny when it just comes back for
like a second or something and it's like, oh, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Right, he's that's.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Lower taxes Also always has these crazy one off characters.
You know, I think I'm like Badgie and stuff like
that that are interesting as well, But I don't think
that'll talk anyone Anyone's list or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I'm like, it's not a complaint. I'm surprised they kept
those security officers, like, I mean, Shrecks came back, which
was fine, and then they kept the other guy and
I'm like, wait, well, how does that job work? Is
it a job share?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Like you know, well, that other guy is literally only
one notes, so that's probably why do you uh, that's
a different voice actor, right, that's that's not like somebody's
not doing double duty and just does those lines or
just did those lines once and they're just canned. Oh
the Tamerian, Yeah yeah, he does talk sometimes.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Like it's not like it's Net does, but he doesn't have.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
A character we don't know anything about.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
He's there for, like, ah, what would be funny if
the Tamari had said this bit? Ah funny?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Do you want to see? Surely there's got to be
a whiteboard or someone's keeping an Excel spreadsheet of everything
he's ever said, because there, I mean, the one TG
episode gave you like this much of a vocabulary, not much,
and so they've had to build the whole thing for
this character. I mean, even I know it's only for
funny lines, but still you gotta be semi consistent.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, and I was trying to think of anybody else
that might have slipped through in New Trek. Uh, but
I don't. I think we covered pretty much everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Back in my mind is like, well, I mean, you didn't
even talk Pocard.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Oh my goodness, that's right. I knew, I knew I was. Okay,
let's talk pout Caard probably an interesting one too.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
You can't have any legacy people, right.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Well, you know, I guess you could pick who you want,
but even legacy people are in an interesting position. But
what's more interesting is that show has three separate casts
well almost kind of pretty much. Such lots of characters
to go around, for sure. So uh, I actually don't
know who I would.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I'll start just to and of course we're gonna go
into the part where we don't remember anyone's names. But
season one Deanroid, who was not Data's daughter, but was
Data's daughter. I thought she was interesting. I mean, you
can say what you want about the storyline. But I
thought the actress, I want to say eyes so but
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that's I don't think that's how you say her name.
But anyway, that actress in that character were was interesting.
I mean, you know, obviously she was on her heel
ninety percent of the time, so you couldn't really get
that much other than questioning her existence, which sometimes is interesting.
But sometimes it's like, well, its hard to know the
character because they're like reduced to this state. But you know,
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even though maybe not the best choice in men, but
I thought it was an interesting character and I was
disappointed that. And maybe it's because the actress wanted to
do other things, because you know, she's on Broadway now,
she's doing a lot of stuff, and she's actually in
a new series for Max right now, a medical series.
But anyway, maybe she wanted to do something else. But
like when they just instantly dumped her in season two,
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I'm like, what.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
But she Okay, she had one line, she had that
one one scene or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Now, I think I think the ultimate dumping was the
Romulan lady who's like so interesting and then all of
a sudden she's like, nope.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
The most important for the season, and then it's like.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Well, I was thinking of what you were talking about. God,
I can't remember her her name either, but I know
robot lady. I was thinking, like, I really liked Allison
Pill's character in the beginning, and just mostly because I
like Allison Pill. And then she turns out to be
a murderer, and then I was like, oh, I don't
like her so much anymore.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
So such standards, Daniels.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I know. Sorry, But then of course it came to me,
it's gonna be Shaw. Captain Shaw is the best thing that.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Oh yeah, I've changed my vote to Shaw.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I love Captain Jow. I wish we got more Captain Shaw.
I wish they didn't kill him off, but I think
he's probably the most interesting thing that came out of Picard.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
So well, I mean, I will throw out seven. I liked, oh,
season two is so weird, but season I like her
Sason one. I mean not that I didn't like her
in season two, but it's just that whole season it's
just weird. And in season three it's hard for me
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because I like kind of where she was going. But
then again, it's, you know, the story they have for
her makes it hard for her to do anything because
it's like she's first officer, but the captain hates her,
so it's like, well, and then she's kind of in
this arrested development if you will, that you know, there's
only so far because she doesn't want to overthrow her captain.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
And so she does.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
She she's just getting bullied the whole season. It's like, well,
that doesn't make for interesting character development. It's like, oh no,
then she's a captain of the Enterprise. I'm like, I mean, okay,
you can't just wave the magic wand at the end.
But fine and large I liked even though it does
fault kind of into what we don't like about like, oh,
here's the sequel where everyone's miserable, but she wasn't crazy miserable.
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She was just independent operator, which is a little Star warsy.
But still it was interesting.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah, I like seven. I agree with you, like sometimes
they she was just there like they wanted They wanted
her to be the captain at the end, so it
makes sense that they made her the first officer, and
it was just like, okay, so she's just kind of there.
I guess. The more interesting thing for me was like
always like what didn't like what they didn't see between
Voyager and Picard, because we still don't really understand what
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the first Rangers were or why she decided to join them, or.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Every time you say Ferris Rangers, I hear Rescue Rangers
and do the whole theme song Faris Rangers.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
But Darren, I know you agreed with my vote book. Well,
who are you going to say before then?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Oh? Well, yeah, I know. I was like, I want
to change your shot, change your show. Now. I think
for me it was up. I was gonna say Raffi.
Raffi was just a really interesting character, like I really
wanted Gosh, they made me really really want to watch, like,
heyday Raffi and Picard show, Like I really wanted to
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see that. I wanted to see what the crazy stuff
they got up to, you know, But it wasn't It
wasn't to be.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I mean another he kind of hate to be like good.
But then they threw it away. Rios, Oh yeah, that
was a character. Well the real answer is the Rios holograms.
But we're gonna say Rios. But again, to me, they
threw him away because and not just because they got
written out at the end of season two. But I'm saying,
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you know, he's introduced as cap to know the Stargates,
remember right, Captain the Stargazer was yeah, I was just
a a, I don't know whatever it was. But anyway,
because that.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Was the whole his whole drama was losing his captain.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
No, no, you're season two first episode, Oh yes, yes,
so where it was like okay, you know, yeah, like
I said, you had this rough and tumble introduction in
season one, but again I'm like, okay, I'm not saying
he was like what he was developing. It was interesting,
and he was this very different character because he was
like kind of bad, I mean, like hand quote bad,
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but then he was this very philosophical like nihilist and
it was so weird, but it was kind of cool
and interesting because he also made these holograms that were
really funny, and so like, how do you put that
all together? You know, he's done this whole Han solo thing.
But in the season two, oh, he's a captain now.
But then you don't get to see that because then
the season just gets does what it does, and then
they write them out and so it's like, well, I
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would have liked to see them do a fleet stuff
he was.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Pretty unceremonious, like how.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
He left thing he got like murdered in a bar.
I think was the end of the story.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
But anyway, but I did like Ris a lot, and
then I do like, I agree that it was some
waste potential. I completely had forgotten about him. Uh, I
don't see nobody who's going to pick elmore.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I liked him, but no, I did like him. But
I mean again, one note and then written out pretty fast.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Ye, that seems to be the pattern. I'm trying to
think if there's anybody else in Pericard that really stands
out to me. We didn't mention Gerardi had a.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Lot of potential, and they just didn't really go anywhere
with it. I mean they went somewhere with it. I
shouldn't say that, But.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Which bridge spinery is your favorite in pocard in two
or three?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
We also can't say Row because they did her dirty
too or Hugh anyways.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
No, no, now, Daniel Q he was actually be a
good answer. I liked what they did with Hughe he
was cool. It's great to see him return. But again
written out or ghaged pretty early on, Like I mean
you're sensing a pattern here.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yes, yep, you were in you were in danger, if
you were interesting, yeah yeah, or if you were asked
to be back on Picard.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
So can I get a two season commitment?
Speaker 3 (38:11):
I know, we we just wanted to die horrific death
on screen, so people remember in your face.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I mean, he's basically got Cullbird. He got Cullbird, and
that's just you know, Yeah, where's his magic mushroom return?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
I am something better though none of us mentioned, none
of us bring it up, like we just briefly touched
on Pike and nobody talked about Picard. It generally tends
not to be the main character or the lead character
as it were, that we that we gravitate towards.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
That's true, that is true. We weren't all like, oh man,
this portrayal of Picard.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Wow, well, I think we all probably agree that we
would have gone in a different direction.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
True.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Well, I guess here's a question for season three for
the TNG main cast, who is your favorite? Just in
season three, I'm not saying in TENGM saying and season
three only of a card of the TG main cast,
he was your favorite?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Oh Riker? Yeah, I meant he got the most. I
mean he got a ton of screen time, but I
would almost secondary. I'd say Jordie Wharf. They kind of
did cool stuff, but it kind of went nowhere, and
they were too concerned about, like I don't know, keeping
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Warf mysterious, and I'm like, I want Worf to be
everything Worf says is about this one time in DS nine,
Like that's what I wanted. I wanted finally to have
Warf be able to share about his time. You know, guys,
when I went through a wormhole similar to this into
the Gamma quadrant, like, ah, man, we had so much,
(39:51):
so much potential.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
He did say the word jen Za, so at least.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Forgot that that is true, But none of the other
people said, we, uh, it's that wedding invitation.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, oh did you change your mailing address and subspace
and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I'm trying to think of. I would probably agree with Riker,
mostly because he's sort of the closest to the same,
Like he was other than like the whole kid thing,
the child storyline, like he was mostly exactly what we
kind of expected. I think Riker to do.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, seasoned, horrible thing to say to an old captain,
because I'd like to say Troy that they just didn't
I mean again give her much. I mean they get
Beverly a lot, so it's like not like necessarily you know,
but they didn't give troya that much. I mean like
if we did season one, I was like, I like
Troy and season one card, but they just didn't give
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her much to do other than yeah, marriage untroubled for
some unspecified reason, and then yeah, he goes away.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
That's great though, because I don't think we ever had
like a sort of a wrap up roundup. How did
we feel about those characters from where they ended up?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Because I think that's my favorite character, was The Enterprise
D when it showed up glorious. I mean we joke,
but there's probably people where that's their favorite. The whole
thing which I did, I did. I will say this.
I liked the fact that they established it with Star
(41:31):
Base one and they had it come out of a
whole news section that it could actually fit into, and
that that's all I needed. Mayde be very happy.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Well, I don't remember the Enterprise D being that maneuverable, but.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
With Date at the Helm, I mean he was always
at the Helm, but.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yes, he was always at the helm. He was just
next to it.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
You need to watch the scene where they're flying through
the qube when they're with the what's it called what
I Need a Hero playing in the background.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
It's it's glorious classical music. Yes, yes, I mean, like
I remember in Relics when they had to like, oh no,
here comes it's closing the doors and you're and then
it goes that way here they were just like backflip
through the door the way data was.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
It's a lot easier to move digital.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
That's true, and it's called the filming miniature.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Philip is also you know, we we make fun of
the Discovery turbolifts being you know breweries, Like how big
was that Borg cube where the Enterprise d has like
room to maneuver all over the place.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Pore cubes are always that big with holes.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I'm not saying it's they're not big, but that space.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Inside it wasn't the size of the cube. It was
more of the it's just been in Jupiter and we
didn't know that or when did you get there? I
don't know. I mean it's behind me. Think about it. Yeah,
there's there's a vengeance shaped parking spot and then there's
a big square parking spot and we're like, hmm, what
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is what is this?
Speaker 3 (43:11):
And that's when they decided to reinvest in the Mars
defense perimeter. What's going on? All right? Well, that was interesting,
I guess The last question I would ask now is,
now that we've sort of sested out and talked about it,
would you add any of these characters, these favorites to
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upset any of your lists. I know we didn't like
actually go through an itemized list of this is my
top three favorite characters, top ten or whatever. But do
you think that any of these characters are interesting enough
to sort of supplant or be added to what you
would consider as your favorite Star Trek characters just out
of churiosity and just casually just.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
I think because the hard part is I think with
a lot of the news shows, again not a complaint,
is that they don't necessarily fit into slots like what's
Rhea's I mean, he's not a first officer, he's not
really a captain, Like what is he? What do you know?
He's a guy. But anyway, but like I think SU's
gonna make a top five XL list?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I would say if we're
if we're talking like like RAFFI, like brand new character,
not necessarily like we got extra of this character we liked,
I'd say, yeah, there's definitely places. And that's the cool
thing about a franchise that's continuing is you know there's
(44:35):
people who Raffi's the first XO that they've ever seen,
and they're really into that, and I'm like, that's great,
It's only going to get better.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah, I definitely think that there's you know,
a couple of characters that are are really interesting, really cool.
So I was just curious just because we kind of
hadn't happen.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Well, he's only talking about the cool characters. Okay, I
got to go back to my list and yeah, that
cool characters with the K K O O L.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Who's the coolest Star Trek character?
Speaker 2 (45:08):
That character is totally in my face.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I'm trying to think Captain Kirk, he might be the
coolest Star Trek character.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
We're gonna need a whole another week to get ready for.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
I think Ryker would be up there. Ker would definitely be.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I mean, Boemler thinks he's pretty cool, so.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I don't know, I guess it would be cool. I'm
thinking swab and those are maybe two different things, because
I'm like Trip is kind of cool too.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Well, Miles O'Brien had a statue about him.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
It's true. Well he's the greatest character of all time.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
So yeah, all right, Darren. If people wanted to get
a hold of you and say, hey, why didn't you
talk about my favorite character?
Speaker 1 (45:46):
You can start their own podcast and all this is
do it there. But they can find me at doctor
sci fi dot com. That's d R S c I
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Speaker 2 (45:58):
They can find me on Insta at c A P
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Speaker 3 (46:03):
Everyone want to find me. They can find me online
anywhere at one Updwen. That is the number one, not
the word. And that's it for this week. We'll catch
you guys next week. I'm getting approved.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
I'm Philip Gilphis and I am Darren Moser
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Stretted here on SETI Alpha three
Welcome to the net Party.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Darren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphis, I'm Daniel Prue, and.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is City Alpha three.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hello everyone, and welcome to SETI Alpha three Star Trek
podcast here on the New Party Network. I am your
host Daniel Prue, and joining me as always are my
two good buddies, Darren and Philip. Hey, guys, how is
your how's your week? Did you guys do anything Star
Trek related at all?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, the one of the chapters of the Star Trek
Club SF I'm in not mine, but another one called
the uss Omnus had a virtual con this weekend, so
it was, you know, nothing to elaborate, butod it was
kind of cool. They used a gaming I don't want
to call it platform interactive thing that I'm not never
(01:02):
used before called roadblocks. Okay, yep, yep, ye see you
would be familiar with.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It's a small billion dollar industry, but yeah, sure, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
They basically build this like outdoor festival con environment, so
it was like half carnival and then half con with
like uh but like outside so that was kind of cool.
And then we would did the audio via discord and
it's all all new to me and so. But that
was very cool because we had I got to I
spoke for a session, but they had different people, so
(01:32):
that was pretty cool. And then just a slight tangent
this past week. I don't know what it is that that,
you know, it's like one of those times and fandom,
we're suddenly like everyone's talking about the motion picture and
you're like, I don't know why, but like it seemed
like this past week everyone, I say everyone but my
social media and everything has been talking about the Ring Enterprise.
(01:54):
I don't know if you all have seen it. It's
just like weird. I keep seeing it, like, oh, here's
this picture and here's this design and then here I'm like,
is this like the Ring Enterprise anniversary or something. I mean,
I I could touch my my eagle mass right here
of because I really do like it. But anyway, just
a bizarre thing. I mean, I like it and I
just thought it.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Was cool, But like, what happened once is interesting, but
happening three times that's peculiar.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
What about you? Darn did you watch that weird AI
thing from last night?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I know, gotch I still haven't had two seconds to
watch it. Time I hear I've literally watched like bits
of it with the sound off, which apparently is totally
fine because apparently there's no Dockings in it. So but
I did realize though, that I know one of the actors.
So the my friend Gordon is the one who played
the I don't know the species name, but it's that
(02:46):
gray with the big neck collar and he's in the
gold uniform. So he did the makeup. He was in
the makeup for that, which totally makes sense because he
does stuff like that all the time. So yeah, but
I will I will get back to you on that.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
You should ask him if he like, I'll.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Be seeing him today, so I'll ask him about that. Yeah,
just stand there and look cool.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I mean, that's everything, Like this.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Is a podcast exclusive, just an interview.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You know, he would he would talk my ear off
on it. He loves sharing about his stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So well, we did get some new lord X, but
we were just talking before before we got on the mic,
and Darren and I are not caught up. So Darien's
caught up. I'm not caught up.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's just only you, Dane.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Only that's we're ahead of you on So so all we.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Did is predict that the last episode would be completely
live action, and then it blew our minds again, total prediction,
not going to happen, but it would be hilarious.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
The case does we called it?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yes, that's right, put a time stamp on it because
well it uh So I thought I was trying to
think of something to talk about, and Philip to me
to think about the characters, and I was, you know,
we've talked a lot, of of course, about all the
different characters in Star Trek. Well not all that would
be impossible, but many, many characters. And I was thinking,
(04:12):
you know, we sort of just generally probably under know
and have an understanding of like, oh this is my favorite,
like we all love Captain Picard, right, for example. But
I was trying to think if all of these newbies,
these new kids on the block would shake up our
rankings at all, like maybe you know, we'd like Captain
(04:32):
Pike more than Captain Pricard or whatever. So I just
thought we'd go through and talk about our favorite character
or two if it's necessary, from each of the shows,
and we'll start with Discovery. Uh And since I'm sort
of just launching the statue now though, yes, well, I
(04:53):
think for Discovery. It's going to be pretty pretty cut
and dry, but I'll go ahead and say it, and
you can start thinking of what else you who else?
You might maybe honorary mention or whatever. But I think
Through is going to be kind of hands down the
favorite character, at least for me anyways, because he feels
like the most traditional Star Trek character. You know, he
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fills that data role, that Spock role, you know, very
Star Trek type, sciencey alien dude who doesn't really understand well,
you know, he understands, but you know, he's just kind
of alien. And of course, you know, played by the
excellent Doug Jones, he was just a standout. He was
always a standout, and I don't know what happens to
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him at the end. I forgot to check on that,
but I wanted to. But so you guys can either
riff off of what I'm talking about, or if you
want to bring up a character someone else, or if
I agree with me completely, which was probably what you
should do.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So I'll say I'll say Larka again, we only got
him talking about season war, but like, it's still just
such an interesting portrayal and it almost it can almost
gotta makee sense that he was evil in the end,
because he definitely was channeling that kind of like Ronnie Cox,
like I'm not your dad's captain vibe of like you know,
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the admirals or the other captains would come on actually no, sorry,
not admirals, but like with other captains would come on
TNG and just it was so jarring because it was
someone else in the center seat and You're like, four ships,
what's going on? This is crazy? You know? So yeah,
I'd say I need, I need to watch season one again,
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even though you asked me to, but just for I
want to see Lorca again. I want to see even
though he's not Prime Lorca, he disguised it well enough
to emulate a starfleet captain in that era.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
To you, he's Prime Lorca. Uh yeah, I I to
echo through. I think about it. It's hard and it's
not a discoverything per se, because I I remember when
I was first watching Voyager and maybe even now I'm
thinking about it. But like it's like I liked all
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of them. It was to me, it was truly an ensemble,
and so it wasn't like I had a favorite character
because they were I liked them all and so Discovery,
it's like to me, no one like I mean, obviously
Michael's something character, but like for me, no one just
jumps out. But I mean, I agree with Saru.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
But you can't pick a favorite character from Voyager.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I mean there's more some I like more than others.
Not that I hate anyone, but it's like, but like Discovery,
my answer is this, so like Cu, yes, but like
what I'm doing with when I'm in large doses, I think, yeah,
there's enough doses. That's what I agree with Flurkre But
of course only season one. I'm also gonna like go
even lower on the tier of like screen time. But
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someone I still like was Hugh Doctor Hugh Coolber. And
so I just thought Wilson Cruz brought a lot to that,
I mean, theoretically nothing character. It was sort of like
you know, assistant CMO, you know, spouse to the main
character Stammets. But I thought he brought so much to
that character that you made him care about it. And
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then when he got you know, ghacked midway through season one,
You're like, what.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
The what what they brought him back?
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And then they brought him back, which you know, not
until season two but thankfully. I mean that was one
of the things like, yeah, that's stupid, but I'm glad
you did because I thought he got killed in a
stupid way.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Well, how do they bring him back? I literally can't
mushroom magic. I can't. I thought, yeah, it's a good choice.
I mean, if we're going to talk about favorite characters,
especially like even like them, I mean I like Stammets,
even though he's like kind of an unlikable person, like
he's kind of miserable.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I think, like, to me, it was funny watching season
one again because I remember, oh, hating Stammets and and
then I'm like, but he gets laid back later and
I was like, I couldn't remember why, and I mean,
you're gonna remember why, but then you're not gonna remember
why why Now, once he got hooked up to the
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spot drive, he got relaxed. But the way it's played
is because the dude is high on mushrooms. That's how
he got laid back, Like he's this miserable get Finally
he gets convinced to be, you know, substitute for the
Tartar grade, and then like the next episode he's like, hey, dude,
I'm like and then he just stays that way from
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now on, so you know, he is endorsing I guess mushrooms,
you know, making someone better. I guess that's the message
kids do drugs.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
There's a whole network. It's you have to see it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, a whole galaxy. Man, it's awesome. Lorca is a
good choice too. Of course, just still wish we could
see Prime Marker because he'd be pretty cool to it.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I know, No I haven't. I know, none of us
you see. I haven't seen it. I know, and if
you have seen it, I know a lot of people
liked the new first officer in the last season so
played by the guy from Battlestar Galactica, the one of
the bad guys. Yeah, I can't remember which model. He's
the philosophy model. You remember that guy. I don't know
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the character's name, but anyway, yeah, well yeah, he was
like the first one or not the first one that
I got discovered, but like he was the one that
Adamic killed and like, uh you know I'm talking about Sorry,
just helpful, just googled him. But anyway, but he played
an alien. I forget what he was in Discovery for
them to be first officer and people liked him. But
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but other than that, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Okay, interesting, All right, well there we go. Is there
anybody else that we want to just mention as a
as a yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Against characters like I'm just not a big Michael or Tilly.
I know people are, and that's fine, just not necessarily
hits mine.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Yeah. I like Tilly fine Michael that I could probably
le behind, but it is what it is. Okay, let's
move on.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I mean, do you say Pike do you count him?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well, we'll talk about him now, because I was thinking
of besides Pike. I'm trying to think so I would
pick Pike for Strange New Worlds just because you know,
obviously Anthon does a great job. I mean he's he's
just really really like he carries that role really well.
But I don't know who, like what would you guys? Peck?
Who is your who? When you watch Strange New Worlds?
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Are you mad that they killed that blind engineer? I
can't remember his name.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Hammler something that was it?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, Hamla, I'm del you know, there's a character and
not that I didn't like her, but like I felt like, okay, whatever,
and it's just something I don't know if it's the actress,
and I don't mean it that way that it's the actress,
but like I don't know if it's her performance, is
what I mean. But just I went because I don't
know if I like the character, but I still like
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seeing the character because of she does with it. And
that's Nurse Chapel, who I mean, per se is kind
of slightly annoying in some times in some ways, but
it's just something that that I can't remember the acts
name top of my head, but anyway, uh, just something
she does that like just makes that a watchable character.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, you it's sort of at least I have to
like sort of divorce my idea of Nurse Chapel from
her just because, like you said, it's like it's weird
and it's like very different. Like it's very very very different.
Like it's not even trying to go like with Ethan
and Spock, like he's definitely trying to He's doing his
best Nimoy, you know what I mean, This is not
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the case here. It's just like sort of a different character.
But she's interesting for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
What about you, Darren, Ah, gosh, Yeah, it's yeah, I
would agree with with Chapel I think, you know there,
she's kind of like I feel like she.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Has more story plots, you know what I mean, Like
she's actually in more that's happening. So uh but even
just Spock. I know it's Spock, but like, man, you're
getting a lot of good stuff with that Spock. Okay,
I f I I'll do a Strange of worlds. Rewatch,
you've convinced me.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I mean you got yeah, by by law, you have
to do it anyway. When then you see those starts, right,
that's true, that's true. So hot, young Spock. We're putting
it down as.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Hey, I don't know, we know. Do we have a date?
I don't think we do, not as.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Precise d I'm sure it's going to be after. I'm
sure it's going to be soon. That's how I should
phrase it. In other words, we'll have section thirty one
in jan I assume Strange New World is up next,
because obviously we're running out of shows at this point.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
The Lower Dex is over February something yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Probably if not March. Yeah, because I mean I'm not
going to through every character, but like I mean, the doctor, uh, Panka,
I'm saying that wrong. That sounds right, you know, he's
brought something new to that. I mean, I don't like
that how he became like a murderer basically, if I
can forget that episode, I think he's because I think,
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you know, he had that first season with his daughter
and you're like, well, that's his only story maybe, but
then he don't he gets beyond that, literally because they
get rid of her. So but I think he brings
something interesting. But yeah, all the other characters are good,
but just again, don't jump. I mean, I don't know
con you know. And then number one but she.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean she had that episode. I was thinking,
like she feels kind of like a maybe not wasted potential,
but like I just there's just not a lot with her.
I don't I don't know which on that one episode
number one what I was thinking about, I don't know.
There's just I wish there was more there.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
It's to me, it's it's interesting because you were talking about,
you know, how much are the actors hand or writers
or you know, whoever you want to play or hamstrung
by what came before, and you were saying, you know,
chapels different, and I agree, But I think number one
is leaning into number one, even though we only got
little of her in the cage. But she's basically a vulcan.
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I mean, that's how the character.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
She's very vulcan.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
And so we're seeing because even though where you're seeing
Spock be this more emotional thing in Strange New Worlds,
but you know, arguably you can see where that goes
or why that is. But like she's supposed to be
competent number one pretty straight by the book.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I think the harder thing too with her character is
the fact that it kind of suffers from it's a
called just like ensemble miss like like she kind of
gets the short end because there's so many characters and
his story can only be about so many people at
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a time.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, and when we only get ten episodes.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Like right, oh yeah, if this was a twenty episode,
twenty six even he would I think we would know
her much more.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Man, if we got twenty six episodes a season of
Strange New World how many musical episodes would we have.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
We'd have one.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
So no mention in Discovery or Stranging Worlds of the
later editions, right like in in Discovery we got tag
Nataro brought her up and then of course in strange
worlds now we have I can't remember what he's the
actor's name, but chief engineer, Yeah, the Chief engineer, lady.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Other comedic actor other yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Late later edition actors you know who are funny. That's
definitely a trumpe. But do you know they're fine. But
I was just thinking I couldn't even remember the character's name, so.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Well, I think for the and this is nothing against
the people just can't remember their names. That's not that's
our whole they're not not theirs. But with the new
Chief Engineer is a very famous actress, of course, but
like the way she's introduced, it's almost like, well, she's temporary,
Like like I'm almost like the show's like, don't get
attached to her. You know, we had because we thought
we were gonna get attached to Himler and then they
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gacked him, and then we got this new one, and like, well,
we know Scotty's eventually got to come up, right, And
so it's like and so you know, you almost feel like, Okay,
she's a cameo that'll come in every now and then,
but yeah, maybe she's the guy nan of the show.
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, Well, because like Discovery had the rotating captain's seat,
you know, up until four season four or whatever, so
maybe that was like the idea. But then obviously they
already brought Scotty in, so I guess we'll see what happens.
But we'll see. Okay, unless you guys have anybody else
that you want to bring up, we can move on
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to what do I do for Let's do prodigy a prodigy,
And because there's lots of characters and stuf Art prodigy,
I don't know if we want to make a rule
that legacy characters don't count, just because there.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Is no rules in Star Trek, so you can't say anyway,
but you can't say holographic Janeway's yes, yeah, you can
just be creative.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Go ahead, and now you can say you can use
whatever character you want, but it'd be interesting. What do
you guys think? Who's your favorite prodigy?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Darren h Honestly, I really liked Zero. I think the
whole Meducin aspect. I mean, gosh, you in the last
second season they really did a lot with her character. Uh,
and so I think that, yeah, that was just I
remember the beginning thinking it was gonna kind of be
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a throwaway thing. Of like, oh no, they can't get
out of their suit. But it was so much more
than that type of a character. So I really I
really enjoyed, enjoyed all that.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, yeah, Zero's cool.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
They were they were really cool and I still want
to make make that puppet someday.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
So would it be the original season?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I would probably.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I would probably go with one of the white suits,
so where she's kind of like Starfleety. Maybe not the
final one, I don't know. Probably not the season one though,
where it's all junkie, but who knows it. I haven't
gotten that far in my thoughts.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, what about I feel like Gwen.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Because with the caveat, it answers Gwen because I think
she is the true leader of that group, which I
theoretically season three would have shown.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Because she's not still.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Well no no, and I'm optimistic, but reality is thinking it.
My only caveat is the second season she got so
bogged down in her story that she didn't get a
chance to shine. You know, when you're like got the
strap on, you about to be a racial reality for
you know, you know the twenty episodes, there's something so
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much you can do now, I mean, you know, and
so she was sort of focused on her home planet,
whereas it'd be cool just in these adventures if she
got a little more of a bigger perspective. Not that
she didn't, but you know, you know what apprentice she
got sidelined a little bit from the rest of the crew.
But yeah, Gwenn definitely, just because I mean, she's the
she's the natural. I'm still a kid. They're all kids,
but sort of the natural one who will be the captain?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, I like one a lot because she's like super competent,
and I if there was going to be more prodigy,
I would have been I'd be happy that we now
are now leaving her that big story element behind, right,
Like you can move forward with her. She could just
be the leader. All of her like family and past
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and all that stuff is now done. We're done with it.
We can move forward. And but obviously, who knows if
if we'll see any more of that.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Because it's funny in many ways, she's the action hero,
like she fights the best and the most. I mean,
because you would think stereotypically maybe it's the male boy character,
but he can only shoot it, I mean only but
he only shoots phasers. Like that's his that's his attack,
you know, rural phaser role for him. And then rock Talk,
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who obviously is the stereotypical big one, but that obviously
that's just that's all, you know not and then of course,
I mean the murderer is of course Murph, but you
don't know what version you're going to get. And I
do prefer my characters to talk, so that's only why
Murphy isn't my favorite. But yes, so Gwinn, I mean
like she's got it all leader action hero, you know everything.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, she's she definitely does. I I would pick a
rock Talk is actually my favorite character just because I
love you know that that she breaks down Like like
you said, she obviously has a look, and she is
a stereotypical life like, tough, scary character but obviously played
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by a little girl and is really into science, and
I love what she was trying to whip everybody into
shape in the beginning of season two and she's like,
you know, this is not what we're supposed to be doing,
you know, I want to just want to be working
on the ship and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Oh worse, we'll be expelled exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, So I like, yeah, she definitely had her bidy vibes. Yeah, no,
I like I like Drock Talk too.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
She was honestly Prodigy yep. Prodigy is up there in
terms of like overall cast. I think I like everybody.
I don't think there's anybody that I actively dislike when
I'm watching Prodigy. There's just like elements that I don't like.
But I think all the main cast are really good.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, yeah, and everyone gets well, I won't say that,
but at times everyone gets there turned maybe more in
season one season two, so even like, oh Jacob POGs,
you know, he's annoying the comic relief, but like you
get his story and it's pretty cool or interesting anyway.
And then he gets a little a slight arc in
season two of just you know, trying to fit in
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and then going back to what he was. But it's
cool because he is. I mean, they all are, but
he helps that outsider's perspective because he doesn't know what
the Federation is. Even when he's in there in season two,
he's still like, oh, well, I guess you're supposed to
act this way, and he's pretending and then he still
does what he does, and you.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Know, so he knows his own race, so like, it's
more interesting when he gets on the voyager A and
he sees the other Tellerite and that is a whole
nother dynamic.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, yeah, mot't see. Is there any other honorable mentions
that we want to talk about with a bad.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Guy Chacote and the hollow geographic doctor and not the
bad guy he's.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Just you don't see that.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Oh yeahs number one? Whatever happened to that guy?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
He's kind of the bad guy for the Ford hot second,
he did not like the kids bird guy.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, nobody said Janeway though, So that's Admiral Chanha. All right,
let's move on to then, uh lower decks and Philip
will start with you. But what do you what would
you say your favorite character from Lower DEXes. It's gonna
be interesting. One.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
It's between I mean, I'm gonna I'll pick one, but
I'll talk it out. It's between Tendy and Routh. Thefords
a fit choose between the two of them, because I'm like,
who would I want more at Tendy? I think has
to be Tendy. I think rough Rutherford, God bless him.
He's a little one note but I like him. But
I think tendy because she has a range because she
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is death pirate, but she also is you know, loves
science geek, and so you get that full range of
that her perspective of being the what is she the
Princess of night Shade or I forget that, which.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
She is mistress of the Winter constellation. There you go.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
She's that awesome just I know and everyone instantly you know.
But she's also you know, lieutenant junior grade ritical science.
Yeah you know, and so yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, Tenny's great. Rutherford would would be my number two.
He has one note, but he's funny. Darren, what about you?
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Uh yeah, it's harder. It's harder for me. I I
would say it's it's always almost tender as well, because
she's just such an interesting character. But Boibler's really grown
on me, Like Boiler was very uk about for a second,
like he is very you know, Oh look Boibler's screaming
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again in this episode. But uh no, I I like Boiler.
I'm curious to see how they wrap up the the
Red Pad arc and uh well we'll go from there.
But no, I like Boyblaier.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I think I'm gonna pick I just love Ransom, so much.
Every time he does something, it just cracks me up.
I think he's the funniest character. Uh, And they do
give him a little bit of depth every now and then,
like uh when they one episode where the you think
that there was going to be a relationship between her
and him and yeah, and they obviously went in a
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different direction. Now I love him. I think he's so funny.
Every time he's doing something, it's ridiculous and over the top,
and I just it just guess we're going.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I feel like there was there was a I mean,
I don't know, it just me as an audience member,
there was an instinct perhaps to make that a undermining
the captain character. And there's times where they like kind
of touched that. But he's actually the most like ninety
nine percent loyal first, like he is happy, Like I
don't think he wants to be captain, Like they've touched
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it sometimes where he like when he was like the
godlike just.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Won't sit down.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
But he's happy where he like he is Commander Ransom
and he's happy about it, Like he's not out to
get the captain or underminer. He's happy to support the
captain and he gets to do his thing and he's
happy about it. You know, do his exercises and do
crew evaluations and he's happy.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I was gonna say he won't sit down because he's
doing push ups. He just kept more and more push ups.
There's a lot of good characters to like as well.
I'm trying to think of.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I mean, the Chief Engineer is a renaissance prince.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I always forget about him, but he's funny too. What
a crazy like concept for a character. I mean, he's
very star Trek. He's like very campy Star Trek. That
whole episode when he went to his planet, it was
just so silly and I love that, Like it comes
back all the time, like like just like like one
off quick jokes, like.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
He's like, oh yeah, oh I totally forgot about that,
but yeah that's I mean, the thing.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
In the was that first episode of the season. He's
the he the Mayory or the the other universe him
is is he's like the king or the prince, like
he's wearing his his full thing.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
It's always so funny when it just comes back for
like a second or something and it's like, oh, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Right, he's that's.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Lower taxes Also always has these crazy one off characters.
You know, I think I'm like Badgie and stuff like
that that are interesting as well, But I don't think
that'll talk anyone Anyone's list or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I'm like, it's not a complaint. I'm surprised they kept
those security officers, like, I mean, Shrecks came back, which
was fine, and then they kept the other guy and
I'm like, wait, well, how does that job work? Is
it a job share?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Like you know, well, that other guy is literally only
one notes, so that's probably why do you uh, that's
a different voice actor, right, that's that's not like somebody's
not doing double duty and just does those lines or
just did those lines once and they're just canned. Oh
the Tamerian, Yeah yeah, he does talk sometimes.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Like it's not like it's Net does, but he doesn't have.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
A character we don't know anything about.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
He's there for, like, ah, what would be funny if
the Tamari had said this bit? Ah funny?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Do you want to see? Surely there's got to be
a whiteboard or someone's keeping an Excel spreadsheet of everything
he's ever said, because there, I mean, the one TG
episode gave you like this much of a vocabulary, not much,
and so they've had to build the whole thing for
this character. I mean, even I know it's only for
funny lines, but still you gotta be semi consistent.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, and I was trying to think of anybody else
that might have slipped through in New Trek. Uh, but
I don't. I think we covered pretty much everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Back in my mind is like, well, I mean, you didn't
even talk Pocard.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Oh my goodness, that's right. I knew, I knew I was. Okay,
let's talk pout Caard probably an interesting one too.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
You can't have any legacy people, right.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Well, you know, I guess you could pick who you want,
but even legacy people are in an interesting position. But
what's more interesting is that show has three separate casts
well almost kind of pretty much. Such lots of characters
to go around, for sure. So uh, I actually don't
know who I would.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I'll start just to and of course we're gonna go
into the part where we don't remember anyone's names. But
season one Deanroid, who was not Data's daughter, but was
Data's daughter. I thought she was interesting. I mean, you
can say what you want about the storyline. But I
thought the actress, I want to say eyes so but
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that's I don't think that's how you say her name.
But anyway, that actress in that character were was interesting.
I mean, you know, obviously she was on her heel
ninety percent of the time, so you couldn't really get
that much other than questioning her existence, which sometimes is interesting.
But sometimes it's like, well, its hard to know the
character because they're like reduced to this state. But you know,
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even though maybe not the best choice in men, but
I thought it was an interesting character and I was
disappointed that. And maybe it's because the actress wanted to
do other things, because you know, she's on Broadway now,
she's doing a lot of stuff, and she's actually in
a new series for Max right now, a medical series.
But anyway, maybe she wanted to do something else. But
like when they just instantly dumped her in season two,
(31:48):
I'm like, what.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
But she Okay, she had one line, she had that
one one scene or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Now, I think I think the ultimate dumping was the
Romulan lady who's like so interesting and then all of
a sudden she's like, nope.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
The most important for the season, and then it's like.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Well, I was thinking of what you were talking about. God,
I can't remember her her name either, but I know
robot lady. I was thinking, like, I really liked Allison
Pill's character in the beginning, and just mostly because I
like Allison Pill. And then she turns out to be
a murderer, and then I was like, oh, I don't
like her so much anymore.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
So such standards, Daniels.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I know. Sorry, But then of course it came to me,
it's gonna be Shaw. Captain Shaw is the best thing that.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Oh yeah, I've changed my vote to Shaw.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I love Captain Jow. I wish we got more Captain Shaw.
I wish they didn't kill him off, but I think
he's probably the most interesting thing that came out of Picard.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
So well, I mean, I will throw out seven. I liked, oh,
season two is so weird, but season I like her
Sason one. I mean not that I didn't like her
in season two, but it's just that whole season it's
just weird. And in season three it's hard for me
(33:12):
because I like kind of where she was going. But
then again, it's, you know, the story they have for
her makes it hard for her to do anything because
it's like she's first officer, but the captain hates her,
so it's like, well, and then she's kind of in
this arrested development if you will, that you know, there's
only so far because she doesn't want to overthrow her captain.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
And so she does.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
She she's just getting bullied the whole season. It's like, well,
that doesn't make for interesting character development. It's like, oh no,
then she's a captain of the Enterprise. I'm like, I mean, okay,
you can't just wave the magic wand at the end.
But fine and large I liked even though it does
fault kind of into what we don't like about like, oh,
here's the sequel where everyone's miserable, but she wasn't crazy miserable.
(33:58):
She was just independent operator, which is a little Star warsy.
But still it was interesting.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah, I like seven. I agree with you, like sometimes
they she was just there like they wanted They wanted
her to be the captain at the end, so it
makes sense that they made her the first officer, and
it was just like, okay, so she's just kind of there.
I guess. The more interesting thing for me was like
always like what didn't like what they didn't see between
Voyager and Picard, because we still don't really understand what
(34:26):
the first Rangers were or why she decided to join them, or.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Every time you say Ferris Rangers, I hear Rescue Rangers
and do the whole theme song Faris Rangers.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
But Darren, I know you agreed with my vote book. Well,
who are you going to say before then?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Oh? Well, yeah, I know. I was like, I want
to change your shot, change your show. Now. I think
for me it was up. I was gonna say Raffi.
Raffi was just a really interesting character, like I really
wanted Gosh, they made me really really want to watch, like,
heyday Raffi and Picard show, Like I really wanted to
(35:07):
see that. I wanted to see what the crazy stuff
they got up to, you know, But it wasn't It
wasn't to be.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I mean another he kind of hate to be like good.
But then they threw it away. Rios, Oh yeah, that
was a character. Well the real answer is the Rios holograms.
But we're gonna say Rios. But again, to me, they
threw him away because and not just because they got
written out at the end of season two. But I'm saying,
(35:38):
you know, he's introduced as cap to know the Stargates,
remember right, Captain the Stargazer was yeah, I was just
a a, I don't know whatever it was. But anyway,
because that.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Was the whole his whole drama was losing his captain.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
No, no, you're season two first episode, Oh yes, yes,
so where it was like okay, you know, yeah, like
I said, you had this rough and tumble introduction in
season one, but again I'm like, okay, I'm not saying
he was like what he was developing. It was interesting,
and he was this very different character because he was
like kind of bad, I mean, like hand quote bad,
(36:18):
but then he was this very philosophical like nihilist and
it was so weird, but it was kind of cool
and interesting because he also made these holograms that were
really funny, and so like, how do you put that
all together? You know, he's done this whole Han solo thing.
But in the season two, oh, he's a captain now.
But then you don't get to see that because then
the season just gets does what it does, and then
they write them out and so it's like, well, I
(36:40):
would have liked to see them do a fleet stuff
he was.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Pretty unceremonious, like how.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
He left thing he got like murdered in a bar.
I think was the end of the story.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
But anyway, but I did like Ris a lot, and
then I do like, I agree that it was some
waste potential. I completely had forgotten about him. Uh, I
don't see nobody who's going to pick elmore.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I liked him, but no, I did like him. But
I mean again, one note and then written out pretty fast.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Ye, that seems to be the pattern. I'm trying to
think if there's anybody else in Pericard that really stands
out to me. We didn't mention Gerardi had a.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Lot of potential, and they just didn't really go anywhere
with it. I mean they went somewhere with it. I
shouldn't say that, But.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Which bridge spinery is your favorite in pocard in two
or three?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
We also can't say Row because they did her dirty
too or Hugh anyways.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
No, no, now, Daniel Q he was actually be a
good answer. I liked what they did with Hughe he
was cool. It's great to see him return. But again
written out or ghaged pretty early on, Like I mean
you're sensing a pattern here.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yes, yep, you were in you were in danger, if
you were interesting, yeah yeah, or if you were asked
to be back on Picard.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
So can I get a two season commitment?
Speaker 3 (38:11):
I know, we we just wanted to die horrific death
on screen, so people remember in your face.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I mean, he's basically got Cullbird. He got Cullbird, and
that's just you know, Yeah, where's his magic mushroom return?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
I am something better though none of us mentioned, none
of us bring it up, like we just briefly touched
on Pike and nobody talked about Picard. It generally tends
not to be the main character or the lead character
as it were, that we that we gravitate towards.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
That's true, that is true. We weren't all like, oh man,
this portrayal of Picard.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Wow, well, I think we all probably agree that we
would have gone in a different direction.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
True.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Well, I guess here's a question for season three for
the TNG main cast, who is your favorite? Just in
season three, I'm not saying in TENGM saying and season
three only of a card of the TG main cast,
he was your favorite?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Oh Riker? Yeah, I meant he got the most. I
mean he got a ton of screen time, but I
would almost secondary. I'd say Jordie Wharf. They kind of
did cool stuff, but it kind of went nowhere, and
they were too concerned about, like I don't know, keeping
(39:29):
Warf mysterious, and I'm like, I want Worf to be
everything Worf says is about this one time in DS nine,
Like that's what I wanted. I wanted finally to have
Warf be able to share about his time. You know, guys,
when I went through a wormhole similar to this into
the Gamma quadrant, like, ah, man, we had so much,
(39:51):
so much potential.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
He did say the word jen Za, so at least.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Forgot that that is true, But none of the other
people said, we, uh, it's that wedding invitation.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, oh did you change your mailing address and subspace
and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I'm trying to think of. I would probably agree with Riker,
mostly because he's sort of the closest to the same,
Like he was other than like the whole kid thing,
the child storyline, like he was mostly exactly what we
kind of expected. I think Riker to do.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, seasoned, horrible thing to say to an old captain,
because I'd like to say Troy that they just didn't
I mean again give her much. I mean they get
Beverly a lot, so it's like not like necessarily you know,
but they didn't give troya that much. I mean like
if we did season one, I was like, I like
Troy and season one card, but they just didn't give
(40:48):
her much to do other than yeah, marriage untroubled for
some unspecified reason, and then yeah, he goes away.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
That's great though, because I don't think we ever had
like a sort of a wrap up roundup. How did
we feel about those characters from where they ended up?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Because I think that's my favorite character, was The Enterprise
D when it showed up glorious. I mean we joke,
but there's probably people where that's their favorite. The whole
thing which I did, I did. I will say this.
I liked the fact that they established it with Star
(41:31):
Base one and they had it come out of a
whole news section that it could actually fit into, and
that that's all I needed. Mayde be very happy.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Well, I don't remember the Enterprise D being that maneuverable, but.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
With Date at the Helm, I mean he was always
at the Helm, but.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yes, he was always at the helm. He was just
next to it.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
You need to watch the scene where they're flying through
the qube when they're with the what's it called what
I Need a Hero playing in the background.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
It's it's glorious classical music. Yes, yes, I mean, like
I remember in Relics when they had to like, oh no,
here comes it's closing the doors and you're and then
it goes that way here they were just like backflip
through the door the way data was.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
It's a lot easier to move digital.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
That's true, and it's called the filming miniature.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Philip is also you know, we we make fun of
the Discovery turbolifts being you know breweries, Like how big
was that Borg cube where the Enterprise d has like
room to maneuver all over the place.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Pore cubes are always that big with holes.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I'm not saying it's they're not big, but that space.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Inside it wasn't the size of the cube. It was
more of the it's just been in Jupiter and we
didn't know that or when did you get there? I
don't know. I mean it's behind me. Think about it. Yeah,
there's there's a vengeance shaped parking spot and then there's
a big square parking spot and we're like, hmm, what
(43:09):
is what is this?
Speaker 3 (43:11):
And that's when they decided to reinvest in the Mars
defense perimeter. What's going on? All right? Well, that was interesting,
I guess The last question I would ask now is,
now that we've sort of sested out and talked about it,
would you add any of these characters, these favorites to
(43:32):
upset any of your lists. I know we didn't like
actually go through an itemized list of this is my
top three favorite characters, top ten or whatever. But do
you think that any of these characters are interesting enough
to sort of supplant or be added to what you
would consider as your favorite Star Trek characters just out
of churiosity and just casually just.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
I think because the hard part is I think with
a lot of the news shows, again not a complaint,
is that they don't necessarily fit into slots like what's
Rhea's I mean, he's not a first officer, he's not
really a captain, Like what is he? What do you know?
He's a guy. But anyway, but like I think SU's
gonna make a top five XL list?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I would say if we're
if we're talking like like RAFFI, like brand new character,
not necessarily like we got extra of this character we liked,
I'd say, yeah, there's definitely places. And that's the cool
thing about a franchise that's continuing is you know there's
(44:35):
people who Raffi's the first XO that they've ever seen,
and they're really into that, and I'm like, that's great,
It's only going to get better.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah, I definitely think that there's you know,
a couple of characters that are are really interesting, really cool.
So I was just curious just because we kind of
hadn't happen.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Well, he's only talking about the cool characters. Okay, I
got to go back to my list and yeah, that
cool characters with the K K O O L.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Who's the coolest Star Trek character?
Speaker 2 (45:08):
That character is totally in my face.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I'm trying to think Captain Kirk, he might be the
coolest Star Trek character.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
We're gonna need a whole another week to get ready for.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
I think Ryker would be up there. Ker would definitely be.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I mean, Boemler thinks he's pretty cool, so.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I don't know, I guess it would be cool. I'm
thinking swab and those are maybe two different things, because
I'm like Trip is kind of cool too.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Well, Miles O'Brien had a statue about him.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
It's true. Well he's the greatest character of all time.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
So yeah, all right, Darren. If people wanted to get
a hold of you and say, hey, why didn't you
talk about my favorite character?
Speaker 1 (45:46):
You can start their own podcast and all this is
do it there. But they can find me at doctor
sci fi dot com. That's d R S c I
f I and Philip, what about you.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
They can find me on Insta at c A P
T S f U f P.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Everyone want to find me. They can find me online
anywhere at one Updwen. That is the number one, not
the word. And that's it for this week. We'll catch
you guys next week. I'm getting approved.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
I'm Philip Gilphis and I am Darren Moser
Speaker 3 (46:15):
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