January 10, 2025 • 56 mins
Lower Decks' Last Season
Another Star Trek series has come to an end. It's odd to think how many Star Trek shows, post-Discovery, fought for our attention. But the third "new" Kutzman-era series has now officialy ended with the finale of "Star Trek: Lower Decks."
The trio portal through the last few episode of the season, sharing what made them laugh, the many reference to Trek trivia, and how that last episode hit them. How did this animated show affect the franchise we all love?
Speaking of finales - the trio also announces that this will be the penultimate episode of Ceti Alpha 3. The next episode will serve as the last for this trio, both under this banner and as podcast hosts who have been talking Trek for over a decade.
Another Star Trek series has come to an end. It's odd to think how many Star Trek shows, post-Discovery, fought for our attention. But the third "new" Kutzman-era series has now officialy ended with the finale of "Star Trek: Lower Decks."
The trio portal through the last few episode of the season, sharing what made them laugh, the many reference to Trek trivia, and how that last episode hit them. How did this animated show affect the franchise we all love?
Speaking of finales - the trio also announces that this will be the penultimate episode of Ceti Alpha 3. The next episode will serve as the last for this trio, both under this banner and as podcast hosts who have been talking Trek for over a decade.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the nerd Party.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Darren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphus, I'm Daniel Prue, and.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is City Alpha three.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello everyone, and welcome to City Alpha three Star Trek
podcast here on the nerd Party Network. I am your host,
Daniel Prue, and joining me as always are my two
fellow strandies, Darren and Philip. Hey, guys, it has been
I don't know, like a month or something. It seems
I feel like, uh, you know, we've we've had the holidays.
So how is your first of all, welcome, Happy New
(00:47):
Year to everyone, But how is your how Philip, how
did your trek's miss and treks.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
New I'm trying to make trust miss the thing, Daniel,
it's welcome to Trickulary. Oh gosh, it's even worse.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, I got a belated uh Treksmiths gift and it
was the because I've seen it. I don't think I
ever actually you know, had it in my hands, but
it was the well and I've forgotten. But it's like
the you know, c Spot run of Star Trek, but
with the Kirk and Spock. So it's a Kirk and
Spock adventure, you know, Sea Spock accidentally give vulcan nerve pinch,
(01:25):
no spot no, you know kind of stuff. So that's
kind of a cool little late rival. Got my little
Star Trek snuggie that my wife gave me what I'm
wearing right now. And I think I got another Star
Trek book. I can't remember what it was, but it's
over there on the shelf. Oh I know it's it's
a special book on two, three and four movies, so
(01:46):
that sort of saga.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
It's called Chaos on the Bridge. You can buy it on.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But yeah, and I'm looking forward to I think I'm
two doctor who's away from starting Star Trek season or
TG season three, so looking forward to getting back in
my TG rewatch.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
So surely one of those was not the Christmas special?
Surely you watched that?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes, yes, I wasn't counting that, but yes.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
What about you, Darren? Did you get anything to Santa
come visit you? Or yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I got a little pretty bad this year. I got
a little bit of sci Fi. I got the season
three and season four Lower Decks Blu rays. So my
collection is up to date. I'm not gonna say complete
because I still need season five, which at this rate,
man I was just noting that, like Wicked is already
(02:40):
coming out on Blu Ray, Like there's so much stuff
that's coming out really fast. So I'm expecting it very soon,
hopefully for season five of Lower Decks. But my parents
also did give me a Mammoth Blu Ray of all
of Babylon five, and so I was like, oh, well,
(03:02):
that's another rewatch to put on the list with all
my free time.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
How many seasons?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Five? It's in the title Babylon five. Wait a minute,
five seasons?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Are we missing?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Two?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Deep Space? Nine seasons done? Because no, no.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
He wrote it to be five award winning one hundred
and ten remastered episode plus the Gather. Yeah, no, no,
I'm pretty sure he wrote it to be five seasons,
Like the story was going to end, yeah, where it's
suddenly was going to be four, and then you jam
packed the ending into four and then was told, just kidding,
(03:42):
get an extra one, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
He told, So I had to like grades.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, the story was like really compressed and then really stretched,
and you know, it all worked out. But yeah, it's
been been a hot moment since I've watched Babylon five
or a couple of years. So it'll be a fun watch.
I bought myself a Blu Ray portable player because I'm like, well,
(04:08):
the only Blu Ray player we have in the house
is on the plate PS five. So I rarely watched
Blue Ray out there in the living room. So out there, yeah,
I know, on the TV, but no, no, it's just
in my tiny corner. That's what I'm gonna watch. What
did Treks and Claus bringing?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
So so I got a brand new Star Trek game
for Christmas on Christmas. In fact, it was released on
Christmas Day. And by brand new, I mean it's two
years old. It's been in Apple Arcade for the past
two years called Star Trek Legends, uh, and it was
just released on I think every other platform on Christmas Day,
(04:50):
so all the other consoles and I think Steam as well.
And I've been playing that pretty much NonStop since it
is very similar in tone and like story to the
old mobile game Star Trek Timelines.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I was gonna say, I remember Timelines.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. It's very also
similar to one of the episodes of Lower Decks we'll
talk about here in a minute, where you just get
a mishmash of crew random crew from random other shows
and Time has no meeting on this, there's no so
you know, there's not really a story. It's all text
(05:30):
based and stuff. But you collect different characters, so you
get you know, you get young Kirk and then you
get you.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Get remember playing like a beta version of.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
This or something. It's possible, definitely, It's been on Arcade
I said, like I said for a while. But you
basically just you know, you you earn these credits and
then you roll your dice and you see which character
you get.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Some of them are like Pokemon, but with Star Trek
O not exactly. Yeah, yeah, not the fighting.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
L yeah, yeah, kind of kind of. You collect them.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
You collect data at shove a minisphere. Yeah, I choose
Wharf and yeah, so it is a very very basic game,
but well what Warf actually is part of the main story.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
It's Wharf, Michael Burnham, h and McCoy those.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Does it have any voice voice.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Performance between each there's like six you know, yeah, there's
no voice acting between photos and the game as well,
between the chapters there's like two sentences and it's just
like a generic narrator. But besides that, there's no like
voice acting. Yeah, and the art style is kind of cartoonish,
(06:43):
so like you know, sixties Kirk because he's got a
bunch of swagger and stuff like that, Like Riker barely
looks like Riker. But it's it's interesting. It's fine. It's
very very basic, but it's fine. And for or I
think I paid nine bucks for it or whatever, it's fine.
(07:04):
So Star Trek Legends, same thing as Start Trek timelines,
because if you don't have to pay money, it's fine.
Check it out if you want to. And like I said,
it's been an Apple Arcade forever, so if you have
an iPhone, you probably have played it or may may
have tucked it out, but if not, it's available everywhere else.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Now I have to try that out because I bought
some Apple hardware for Christmas and they're prompting me to
get my three free months of Apple Plus and three
free months of Arcade and all that. So I need
to need to try that and then set a reminder
to cancel before three months.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I have the radio times. It's like the big TV
gut here always has a Christmas issue that comes with
thirty days Apple plush craming and my severance, which I've
never seen before. And then Silo season two, So.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, I need to Gosh, I still need to watch
season four of for All Mankind. I say, I'm a fan,
but it's still have not found the proper moment to
sit down and watch that one.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well, like they say, sir, if it's worth it, you'll
make the time.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Don't take the quote I use often and throw it
back at me.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yes, all right, well we let's let's get into it
because we have a lot to talk about today. We
have to we have to cover the last we'll say,
last half maybe last last quarter of Lower Decks, which
has now completed. So I do think the last episode
that we specifically talked about was the Klangon episode, specifically.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I believe, so yeah, like or or we Yeah, you
hadn't seen it, but Philip and I talked about it,
and you didn't particularly care.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
So now I don't know, I don't know. I'm not
super interested in going episode by episode, but we can
just sort of cover everything.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
So that would have been a farewell to Farms episode four.
So we still had a lot of episodes left.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, so I'll just go through the real quick the
last five episodes just in name and a quick synopsis,
just so we know.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
What the last on the one before that, So go ahead.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So Starbaks eighty, which turns out to be important at
the end of God's I remember eighty.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Oh we're we're just listing, and I thought, I'm just
listening to can we can get into whatever we want?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Which, so just put a little note in your brain.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Starbus eighty question mark exclamation point, got it?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Of God's and Angels?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Which is is that the data one?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
No, that's the one with the crew member that has
the godlike Greek powers or like the last episode, this
is the Orbs and Cubes episode.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Fully Dilated Versus, which is the data episode.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Where they go on to a voyager time planet plan.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, upper decks, which.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It's pretty much all about the upper deckor yeah, that was.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Like I don't really remember other than it was like
snippets from the command crew, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Thought that was cool. Cool Fisher Quest, which is I'm
sure we'll talk a bunch about that's the one where
they just plucked a bunch of people from different parts
of you.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
That was the William Boemler episode.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yes, yes, yes, that's the DePaul episode. So I'm sure
we'll get into it, and then of course the final episode,
which is the new next generation.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Best title ever.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
So yeah, we'll do a kind of piece of MI
or not. Peace will actually just whatever you guys want
to talk about. If there's an episode that sticks out
that you really want to get into, or a character arc,
or or if you want to jump right to the
end and then fill on later, what do you what
do you guys?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I'm fine going through the list and just giving little
notes on each one because some I have more to
say than others.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
But and I'll be curious. We don't have to get
into it, but Daniel for the a mental bookmark. My
question to you, which happens in many in some series
of Star trek is, does the penultimate episode oh overshadow
or belong as the finale versus the last episode, because
like you famously like an enterprise or something like that,
(11:00):
where we're like, because I'm not saying the finale sucked
by any means, but I'm just saying I wonder a
lot of people's eyes, like the penultimate episode was like, oh,
that was cool, and the last one was like yeah,
and then it ended, you know, But anyway.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
We'll see I have very very strong feelings about the
ending of the of the series, but we'll get into
it when we get there. So, uh so Starbas eighty,
this is these.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah right, Daniel, Yeah, this one, I don't know. For me,
I guess I could sum it up with there's been
so much build up about Star Bas eighty, we've even
visited it before that, Like I felt, I don't know,
(11:42):
it wasn't quite what I was expecting in this episode,
and it kind of felt like an EH episode, Like
I really liked Farewell to Farms, like failed to Farms
right before. This was really good, lots of great character
for our Klingon and sign slash captain. Uh So, yeah,
Star Bas eighty, I was I don't know, it felt
very disjoint it to me.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I can't remember her name, but the woman who voices
the station captain or commander. She's a comedian and she
hosts stuff, but she's not she's not my favorite. I'm
trying to remember what she would have hosted, Like she's
like a little Netflix series. I mean, she's a comedian,
she does other stuff. But anyway, but not that she's bad,
but she's just has never been my favorite. And so
(12:24):
that's sort of colored every time she talked. I'm like, okay, sir.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I guess one thing I bumped on that they never explained,
which they didn't have to Starbucks eighties crazy, But why
were they wearing enterprise uniforms?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I'm assuming it has to mean that they are.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
In twenty third century.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, they're just they're so out of date with their technology.
They're also out of date with uniforms, which doesn't make
any sense because yeah, they found a big they found
like a crate of them, you know, and they're like, ah,
these will do you know?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, they were selling the TOS uniforms, right, if I
remember the wardrobe or what was it that this movie.
I haven't watched the episode, but it was like a
costume shot that sold some uniforms.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
It also was a great way to show the difference
between Starbas eighty personnel and Surreno's personnel walking around.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
But I did, I mean a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Of the question scance or something from TG Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, I do think a lot of the questions
are answered, like because it is weird. That episode does
feel weird in the fact that like we're like, okay,
there are just some quirky characters on this station and
and like what what what does this mean? Like what
like and then it turns out is important at the end,
like we learned that, like why we wanted to go
there and learn about it and find out. And I'm like, okay,
(13:41):
I can kind of see it, but like you fill
up a lot of it is like kind of head
scratch you like, like like I get it, Like I
understand that it's supposed to be this like backwater place,
you know, but it's still a space station, you know
what I mean, Like it's like it still has capabilities
of doing things.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And it was just kind of saying, now, Daniel, as
a game, I mean, we all are, but you you
more so how much was your brain twitching that Freeman
was just giving side quests and side quest.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
You must go down to the exiliary power criminal.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
And get me a hydrosper and only then will I
It's like, which, I this is gonna sound stupid, Like
I think it was obvious that was the guy to
me from the beginning, so I was.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Like, you know, but but then on the flip side,
an obvious joke that still made me laugh the hardest
was the like they go I forget which characters they're
going to the arcade. Oh yeah, I guess it was
the same characters going to the arcade. And they're like,
you know, the Naus, what was it?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
The Nasikns or whoever it was, And they're like, oh.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Where are you going? Unless you're going to the.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Arcade, Yeah we are, Oh try it over there.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, now the jokes all landed. It just it was
a weird. It was a very It didn't feel like
the flow of the series. It felt like one of
its own standalone because.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Like I mean, with lower decks, I feel like we've
always said and I'm rephrasing, not that we've always said this,
but that as far as like the references and references
and of the early days and even now, but like
it still feels like a real Star Trek World. I mean,
like it's funny but it's real. But this episode's like
this doesn't really make sense and feel real.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
It kind of it doesn't. It definitely does not feel
real in a real place that would that would exist,
that you would go to it.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
It makes me think more bad was it like the
first season maybe second where there was that that mysterious
uh Station that had the alien with the three arms
like Eric's Like that felt way more, a way better
payoff of like this materious arm place that Yeah, the
farm that we finally go to. That that didn't come
(15:56):
across the same way with starbars Ad.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
But it also turns out that Starbury's eighty is just
a joke to have Deep Space nine again essentially, like
that's what that's true. And I'm like, okay, but that's
not really like the joke doesn't really pay off. It
doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
You could have done that with like half an episode
and you explain some starbas eighty stuff. I don't think
it needed its full episode to get that across.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Not saying it's bad, like like like we're saying, it's
just it's just kind of a weird one. It's just
a little strange. So onward onward two of Gods and Angels.
This is the one with the lightning bolt girl.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Right is it? Of Gods and Angles?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Angles?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Right? Right? Sorry, Oh you're right, you're right right, you're right.
I see what you did there, you use my well.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I was trying to remember how am I going to
remember this episode? Then you told me how to remember them?
Like what, that's probably the title.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Then Yeah, No, I like the I like the cubes
and orbs. They were very funny, you know, like all
their insults to each other, like you have no edges,
you know, and and I think we all, yeah, I
think we all saw that, the fact that their kids
are going to love each other like a mile away,
like oh, Juliet, oh yeah, we see this. But it
(17:10):
all it all worked out. It was a fun It
was a fun one return to form.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, I think I'd have to watch it again because it,
I mean, whatever Star Trek only has, you know, you know,
there's only five stories that exist in the world. But like,
it reminded me of the Lower Decks episode with I
can't remember his name, Fletcher was it like the one
super guy but he ended up being like a terrible
person who had like pretended to lose I forget what
(17:36):
it was now lose like a battery or something, And
every lie was a bigger lie. It was a bigger lie.
And then the same thing with this new crewman god
you know whatever. Yeah, it was still weird.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Seeing a star Fleet officer lie. And then the b
plot with Boimler trying to emulate his pad self and
become friends with doctor Tiana. Again we get payoff for
that I forgot, but like it's a very different story
than the ag Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Will say uh with that whole thing with them, with
that character. I did like the payoff that it wasn't
like nefarious in anyway. It was literally just like she
you know, she had to learn to sort of accept
herself kind of a thing. Yeah, And I also liked
that she just didn't care, like she didn't want to
focus on the fact that she had these godpowers. She
(18:29):
just wanted to engineer or whatever it was that she
was into, right, And I like that about And I'm
glad she comes back in the in the final episode.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
That's because it's been a hot second seeing the episode.
But she was something else, Like she wasn't wearing gold color, right,
she was command color.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I think I think she was command color.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And it was to the end she finally gets back
to because I just watched the last episode when she
was an engineering So.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yes, I like that, and I like that character, and
I'm like, wow, introducing new characters this light seems a choice.
But of course, again we learned later on, I.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Know only there was so nefarious plan about it. But
I'm trying to remember that episode two was it? This also,
wasn't the anomaly there in that episode two? Am I
making it up in my head?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Probably? It was like in the background a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, I mean it was in the background a lot.
But I feel like they didn't overdo it. It wasn't
like in every episode. You know, it was in most episodes.
But oh right, I'm pulling up Yeah, I just pulled
up some screen caps and she was in red in
this episode, so she shifted to her true love of engineering.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
All right, Well, next episode is fully Dilated, where this
is what this says the crew going a pre warp
Society undercover girls trip, which that's fair, That's that's cute.
It's where to Linn. Yeah, and Mariner and tend Tendy
(19:57):
go on a planet that has that They know they're
going to be stuck on there for a year. I
think it's a whole year. They stand up staying there
and they find it because.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
The boys are eating at the transporter room, ye.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Which is or I thought it was like a month,
like it was meant to be like two months or something,
and then it ends up being like several years because
I thought.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
It was just a year, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, I think it was anyway.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, it could be either way. Purple Data shows up
and he imparts some wisdom to the dueling science buddies.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Purple Data's head, let's be that's right, that's right, that's true.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I did like how this kind of dealt with that
issue and then we were kind of like moved past it.
Like back in season one, this issue would have been
an issue for like the whole season of like oh no,
we're we're trying to be friends, but we also like
the same thing and we're competing. It's like, no, no,
we're just we're good. It's been like a two episode
(20:57):
conflict and now it's done. So yeah, and when they
keep cutting back to like the real time of the bullets,
like trying to get clean it up and like that's
why there's no food in the transporter room and it's
just that was a very funny episode.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I loved Mariners plotline in this whole thing where.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
She had to become buddies with somebody a friend.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I thought that was really funny and she kept just
screwing up. But uh, I don't love the like I
don't know. I kind of I don't really love the
let's both be the same position resolution to this story.
I kind of, man, I don't hate it. It's just
(21:42):
like it happens here and then it happens at the end,
and it's like, you know, uh, you know, two people
doing the same position, like why not give tend to
something else to do or you know, whatever it is.
It doesn't you don't have to be the main science person.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And there's so many sciences, like even the fact that
later on when they're both at and they in the
very very very end where they say like, oh, there's
some gelatinous you know, telekinetic goo, and then how pvcosticism? Yeah,
and then but the other ones like oh what did
it say? It's like yeah, they approach it very differently,
so they could be in like different subspecialties, you know.
(22:20):
But but this is great. Yeah, Brent Speiner was great
in this.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
As a concept, I've never thought about it, but I
mean it's not wrong because I don't know, not that
we have that many science officers and start trek. Surprisingly
you would think, because like even dax Is, you know,
piloting the Defiant and commanding it at some point, you know,
science stuff. But I always think like, oh, science office
(22:50):
is gonna be like either a generalist or be like
something in certain sciences. I would never think like you
could go from sick bay to chief science officer. But
I mean, you know, why not. I guess I think
Tendy you know, shows there are multiple career paths to
chief Science.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
And that's the thing too, is that like it's it's
that's that's I think exactly what I was thinking is, yeah,
we even though medical usually had a little more teal,
but the fact that often like medical and science both
wore blue and then you had like security slash, you know,
tactical slash, you know, engineering wore gold. So it's like
(23:28):
you wouldn't be like, oh, there's only one blue person
on the back of the ship. It's like, no, they
could be multiple in different subspecialties.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But nope, that's not the It's actually been a joke
when a Tindy got the position she went from teal
to blue. Yeah, and she would have to like it
was never mentioned, but you would just notice it or
not notice it. That would be funny. Actually, Like I
think of this episode just because it was so different,
(23:57):
like they're off the starship and it's just a different concept.
I mean data, you know, that's fine, but I think
that the three characters sort of having different things, you know,
to Len's opening up her what was that it was
a cosmetic shop?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But was it ultimately Oh yeah that's what it started
as that but yeah, it basically made like tons of money.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
But but I mean that's I mean because there were
three character. I mean, you had the boys with the
stupid stuff, but all three characters had separate storylines. I mean, like,
to me, that's sort of this perfect story writing thing
of where everyone gets apart almost equal and then you know, so, yeah,
I think I enjoyed this episode out of most of them.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Oh, I think it was a hair tonic. It was
like a hair beauty supply.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And then and then the annoying guy. I think is
that sort of rule of comedy where like he's annoying,
but the longer he's there becomes funny again.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, I liked that the whole you know, town cynic
who's suspicious of everything. And it also kind of makes
sense because like I think some of the things they
say in the beginning kind of tipped him off, because yeah,
if you go into another country and you're like, oh, yeah,
we couldn't find X, and we know that, and I
know that X is on every street corner in the set,
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like it's going to sound suspicious.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
So and he asked them where they're from and come
from the North.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, it's Star Trek the North. But it's all uh yes.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
The only thing I'd never understood. I didn't get the
title in this, like what what is fully because I
always thought, remember when we just saw the list of titles,
that this was going to be a callback to like
Wharf Delivering, you know, to kicko O'Brien or something like that,
something maternity based. So like I I never think it's
(25:48):
just me. Yeah, okay, that makes a little more sense,
I think I first, Yeah, it's just the term is
so connected with like children. Yeah, yeah, I'm like, what
is this?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, I think it's just a pun on the on
the planet.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
All the titles are puns. But yes, no, I think
you're right, Okay, I see it now, like Upper Decks.
That's a funny joke.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, I'm gonna need help on this one, because Upper
Decks I do I like, I remember specifically like we
follow the the Bridge crew mostly, and then.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
So some of the subplots are Ransom is trying to
quote unquote inspire some of the ensigns with the cloaking
like little ball ships, and Shraks is going through like
a meditation duel with his trauma Cardassian self, and Tiana
(26:45):
is like not being very empathetic about pain, and so
they're seeing like let's reset the pain thresholds of like
A one through ten and it all comes together. But yeah,
those are the main and then I think, I don't
remember if Freeman has a main plot her, but it's
(27:06):
mainly focusing on on some of these other ones. But oh,
and then Billups is the cascading equipment failure where he's
like reworking every single panel. So this was, I mean,
especially it being the last season, I enjoyed like a
good chunk of time with the Command crew.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Freeman is her plot line is whoever her assistant is
following her around and she has to keep going to
the recital.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Oh that's right, Yeah it's not Billups. It's the other guy.
I can't remember his name, but that's right. And then
it all it all works out where when they need
them at the end, it's like, oh, I got a
tuba and I'm turning into this and it actually is helpful.
And yeah, it was very tng because you know, we're
(27:55):
always going to say museums and yeah, it's like Data's
Day very much.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I remember liking the episode quite a bit, just the
details sort of slipped out of my brain.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah. No, well, and I knew once we had a recap.
I mean both of you were like, oh, yeah, I
remember that part of the plot. And then you know
there were the non complimentary aliens that tried to take
them over, and if you complimented them, they like streaked
in agony. They're like, yeah, I think you're doing a
great job. Like no, lot birds, don't say it.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
And I do love the ransom wrap up.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
When he yeah, he actually did inspire them all along.
It's like, I think this is like the most lower
decks of lower decks kind of episode where there's no
way I mean, we say Data's Day, but like this
is like Data's Day to the MS degree you gotta
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do there episodes. But yeah, so like I love this
works in an animated lower deck format. I don't think
you could do anything remotely close to this level of
story in one episode, in one twenty two minute episode,
in any of the other shows, it'd be too much.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
And I mean not when you said that. What I
also thought was it's also lower decks because we get
to see all the other lower decks. It's not just
our main right.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
That's true. It's the the Beta squad and the you know,
all the other delta shift Delta Shift, and.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
It's like it's kind of a bottle episode, which is
weird because like doesn't they don't go anywhere. Yeah, so
it's like, goodness, it's interesting, all right.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Oh, and that's right. And then Freeman's husband arrives for
the anniversary at the very end. Oh that was sweet,
and we're and now now we all know that they're
definitely buried and they're definitely still love. There's no ambiguity
in that. But that's also a seed that we'll see
payoff in the in the very finale. So that's right,
good job.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Well, heading into the finale, we jump into you Request,
which is.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Oh man, this episode.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, this was when I was not ready for this one.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
So we basically spend the entire time, right, I think
the whole time. I don't think we spend any time except.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Except at the very very end. Yeah, the entire episode, the.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Entire episode is in an alternate universe where this rag
tag group of people we know from other shows.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
On a defiant class chip.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Of course, of course started to fine class Ship. So
did you guys think.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I mean, I couldn't, you know, for the as much
as fan service as lower Decks can certainly be. But
i mean I'm like, goodness, really like really and you know, mean,
let's go through it. So we had the Sheer, We
had Garrick, I mean all voice by Harry kim Has
(30:53):
and then was on Decks, which was a rando, But
as far as the actual character was interesting, that was true.
But to Paul, I'm like, geez crazy, Like when later
it's revealed they have Lily, I'm like, Lily, I accept
Alfree Woodard is easier to get than Julie, Right.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, I was just looking at her IMD or her
Wikipedia page and it's like, you know, active this year
to twenty seventeen Comma and twenty twenty four, like she's
been she's been done, hasn't been acting doing anything since then.
So that was that was like they've probably been working
on that for a while to get her back.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Well, I've seen a couple of interviews where you know,
they talked about it and you know, she had she
was like, she was like, I mean, I'll do it
if you know this and this and this, and they
were more than happy to And then to have her
back is cool, Like that's a cool get. I don't know, it's.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And for fans because I think she's from a universe
where she's lived with Trip for decades and like they
had a life as opposed to the end of Enterprise
where that was not the case.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Spoilers, even though she's wearing the same clothes that she.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Was, well, Vulcan's age slowly.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Well you're out there clothing now. But it's fine, it
doesn't matter, not a big deal. Having Curzon and herbie
buddy buddy is not like a thing I ever thought
that would sort of like check off, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I mean, I like seeing curs On because I always
wondered about Curzon, like he seemed like a very interesting
and it was always a tangentile because like we saw
him at the very beginning of DS nine and then
we see little moments obviously between jed Zia and Benjamin
that I'm like, oh, what's more to this story? Like
(32:44):
I want more? And then there's like, here's a ton
of like this guy in this episode.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
And then I thought, are they going to put Dax
inside of to Paul? And I was going to get upset.
I think by that I would not have liked that
very much, but they I think it was smart the
way they handled it, because then ier like this is
toom like this is too much weirdness.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, in my fan fiction, to Paul is also a
trill and holds the tax symbion.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
It's like, I mean, this feels like fan fiction. That's
the thing, like when you go too much too far
with it.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I don't know because and maybe because it's and I
would I would say it's not too far. It's just concentrated.
It's the fact that, like the Harry Kim joke on
its own could be an episode, but you have that
and the Garrick and the you know, the to Paul
(33:35):
like so it's it's it's just the fact that it's
all in one episode and you're trying to move the
This one is the most move along the background uh
season plot. So that's also tied in with the riffs
and all of that. So yeah, because we had that
whole other ship as well, the ring ship. You know,
(33:58):
all of that was in this.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
The fact because when I saw it, I'm like, oh,
oh my gods, well whatever it is, but anyway, it's
the Enterprise ringship. And then with Captain Lily and her
Mary crew the thing that blew my mind because I
was like, well, that's cool they landed that thing and
I could see how it landed. I'm like, oh, my
mind was that folds?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Oh my god, you had evil one evil Harry Kim,
the one who made lieutenant. So it's like, I guess
Harry Kim should not ever make lieutenant. Yeah this, Yeah, again,
I enjoyed this episode, but there was a lot like
I probably need to rewatch it again to reabsorb, but
(34:45):
it was I.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Think it's an interesting I mean, you know, and people
do this, especially Doctor Who, but people do this where oh,
we're gonna fight the bad guy and then the bad
guy turns out not to be the bad guy, right,
and then it's like they.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Just didn't know. It's like, oh, okay, nort no foul,
let's fix it.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
And I don't think I've thought about it since I've
watched it, so I don't know if Gerrick and Bashir
are from the same universe or whether they just met,
you know, from different verses.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I think they're from different universes because the entire plot
is I'm deciding which universe they will settle on, because
I mean, it's not Besher, it's the Beer hologram, it's
the it's the one that you know, Andy Dick presumably
stole but from you know, I guess, but she never
got in Trouble Universe. I don't know why. I totally
(35:39):
forgot about the Like I thought he was just happened
to be a hologram and I'm like that, but I
forgot there was an episode where we made a Beser hologram.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
That hologram or a hologram from a different universes.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
But but we know where it was created. But yeah,
I always assumed. I assumed every single care character in
this episode was not from the Prime universe except for Boemler.
That's what I assumed.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Well, well, that'll be tricky. We'll find out in the
next episode what it means. What does what mean? And
where's who from? And how do we know? But yes,
of course, we know all the details that are given
about these separate characters. Were led to believe that these
are definitely different versions of the characters, and we know
although to be fair, one of those Harry Kims could
have been prime Harry Kim would impossible to know, but
(36:33):
I like how they were.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Their first question was like, did you make it back?
And they're like yes or no or maybe or you know, yeah,
I liked all the Harry just again, you could tell,
you know, Garrett and all of the actors were having
fun with this episode and recording these lines and you know,
doing all of that. So yeah, Fiss Request was a
(36:56):
dense episode. Garret.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Any Starfleet uniform, so even know right how that universe would.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
They're on desperate times, they are, you know, they let
nog in. They're like, okay, I guess anybody could any
blue shirt.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
So well, maybe he just looks good and blue and
he just you know, he tailored it.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
He just says, like, you know what, I've come mad,
but it's going to be blue because it reflects my
skin better.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
I think it'd be yellow intelligence or operation.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
That's two on the nose. He's not a spy. What
are you talking about? Philip.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
It's just a plain, simple doctor.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
That blue is the color of tailors. That's what everyone is.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
That whole universe could be blue. We don't know we've seen, Pope.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Did they have blue blue geric? You know, I'm I'm
trying to think now. I know we had the episode
in the beginning of this season where they had this
slightly different color, like it was slightly darker, but I
don't think we've ever seen I think it would have
been funny if we'd seen an alternate universe where the
colors are just different departments, so like blue is command
(38:01):
and red is engineering. Oh it's a little on the nose,
but anyway, something like that would be funny, or like
they're all very different.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
They made that joke in Lower Dex right when they
were they were like, oh, it's a point zero zero
three four variants or whatever it was, and everything was
just slightly off. I remember what episode, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
I remember that. I was just talking about more variants,
but yeah, something like that. It's a It's an easy
joke to make, ye.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
So yeah, that is the penultimate episode. So we'll move
right into the last episode, which is of course called
a New New Net. The New Next Generation, and this
is where we get the ends of the multiverse. Well
I guess not really, but we get the resolution to
the multiverse saga and the Riffs.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Aren't destroying the multiverse anymore. But yeah, yes, that's correct.
And the end of the show one, well, yeah, that's right,
that's right.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Uh so what do you guys think? What'd you guys?
How do you feel about the ending?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Darren?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I just rewatched it. No, I mean it's good, and
I mean I'm gonna get into it, but I mean
it's good. It's I'm not here to you know, like
if we it'd be interesting to rate it here. I mean,
like it's not a stinker like Enterprise or the a Voyager,
So I mean it's it's not in that tier.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I wasn't like sitting here going crazy like let's see
a d S nine or or Next Gen. So I
think it sits in the middle there. It's you know,
it's it's it's just another episode that wraps stuff up.
But you know it's no one dies or anything, you know, right, I.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Mean I like the fact that you know, they purposely
wrote it to wrap up some storylines but also continue.
It's very much like you know, all good things where
it's not like the end of all good things in
next Gen the Enterprise docs and all the crew get
off and they're done. It's like, no, like we're things
(40:06):
are changing, you know, Carol is is now on starveas
eighty with her husband and you know, so it's kind
of more of a DS nine ending ish where they're
some things are still the same, but some things are progressing.
We'll later get into how fast we're ending up on
the bridge, but uh, you know, but overall, I felt,
(40:29):
you know this, I liked all the payoff in this
episode because a lot of it really was payoff from
this season. It wasn't trying to pay off like the
season the I mean, yeah, part of it was trying
to pay off the series, but I'm glad this wasn't.
It was a mix. It was a mix of like, oh,
we're going to bring in the Lightning Girl and oh
(40:50):
we're going to bring in you know, the uh, the
starvece Ad and the alternative Boimler and all these aspects
to the plot. So it all made sense. But then
we're going to have our little coda and we're going
to progress these characters, you know, especially with with Carol
and in Ransom as captain now. But I felt like,
(41:10):
I'm glad we had that earlier episode upper Deckers or
sorry upper Decks, Like I think that really was needed
for Ransom to kind of re cement him as he
is a competent officer, like he gets the butt of
the joke often, but I would be okay with him
(41:32):
being in the center chair because that's where he ends up.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
So yeah, Dane, are you writing the spinoff? Are you
have you been hired to do the spin off of Star.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Of Worm Old Space Fissures? Totally totally different.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I love I do. I love the ending ending, I
love the Ransom stuff. I think it's great. I think
all the payoff was fun and interesting. I really just
like what they did with with the time the Multiverse rift,
just like leaving it open. I thought they were just
going to close it and call it good and that
was gonna be fine. I would have been fine with
(42:10):
that ending, but leaving it open feels like they're like
dropping a cannon bomb inside of Star Trek and then
just leaving. I don't I really don't understand it, because
like this is a thing that now exists, and I
know I'm probably true way too seriously, but this now
exists inside of Star Trek and we can't get rid
of it.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
It's like, here's the thing, like Picard could go visit
that that right, Why is.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
The burn a thing? Even a thing? If you can
just hop into another universe where the burn isn't a thing?
Speaker 1 (42:39):
It's always about the burn?
Speaker 3 (42:44):
This is this is a this is a canon breaking
uh singularity. And not only that, but it's not even interesting, right,
Like I think like even Mike McMahon made jokes about this.
He's like, I'm so sick of the effing multiverse, like
when Boimler said it, and like he clearly didn't love it,
uh and wanted I thought he would want to close
(43:05):
it up.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
But it just means they could have also tamped it
down a little bit where like, you know, it doesn't
seem that things can go through this fissure, but we
don't have the ability to close it. So we will
post Star bas eighty as a visual in case things
do come through something like that where it's a little
more ambiguous. They made it sound like, boy, things are
(43:29):
going to be popping out every week and we got
to deal with that. You know, it doesn't just.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Turn into Buffy then isn't coming out of the hell now?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
It just what it was? Is that, Like I said,
so Deep Space nine sets all this exact scenario up
in episode one and then they deal with it for
seven seasons. Lower Decks brought this about in the last
ten minutes of the last episode and then they're washing
their hands of it, and I'm like, this feels it's
just infuriating and you can't just do that, Like why,
(43:57):
like why isn't this they did.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
They or Darren is a stargate? Have they basically created Stargate?
Speaker 1 (44:03):
I mean, I really liked what Daniel said though about
as I did. For some reason, it didn't even cross
my mind that I kept this aspect of it for
some reason in my head in the Lower Decks universe,
which I know is also the Trek universe, but I
didn't even really conn that's a whole nother man. That
(44:30):
lit a flame under the people who love complaining Genus zero.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Point five seconds.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Oh my gosh, I mean I remember the head. I mean,
I know we're spinning off to that topic, but it
was so funny because all the haters were like Lower
Decks confirmed that that Discovery is in an alternate timeline
and it's like what what man?
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Oh, well, and that's it and obviously that is a joke.
But also if we are to take the fact that
Lower Decks is just is in prime universe, right, which
is fine. I'm fine with that, Like that seems to
be the way it's been.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Everything they interact with in our time is not different,
So I don't see why not.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Right, right, So I'm just we're just under that assumption,
which is fine. Then of course then they're going to
impact the universe by leaving this big hole in space.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, it is not fine. I didn't really connect that
in my head, but you're right, it is, like it's
it's very weird. And if it's never closed, heck, Discovery
in the future could go visit it, like anybody could.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Guys. I hate to tell you about start fleeting Academy,
but it features a really big oh.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
And like how we get stars from all times to
visit us at our academy exactly, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I'm not saying if it would be cool as a story,
but like wouldn't be cool if that is a setting
up Starfleet Academy and we don't even know it.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
You could, but you can do the same thing with
the Holidack and make make way more sense, Like you
don't need to. It's fine. It just it just upset
me because I'm like why, because, like you said, Darren,
it's not like they're just leaving an ambiguous Oh the
rift is open, what does that mean? Who knows? They're like, oh,
we're going to go explore the multiverse now. And even
earlier in the season, Boyemoor called the mirror Universe. He's like, oh,
(46:26):
they're just lazy ripoffs. They're like one degree off and
then it's just lazy. It's just cheesy, easy writing. And
I'm like, yes, I agree, thousand percent. That's what.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
That's why we all know if Daniel was in charge
of lower decks, this would not happen.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
I'm just saying this. I was very upset about it. It
was the one thing I was like, man, this is
great ending, and then I'm like, what did they just do?
And then they're just gonna shut down, Like I know,
you know they didn't know before the season or whatever,
but they knew before they made this last episode that
they weren't coming back so just close the rift.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
That's a good question. Was this going to be the
main plot of season six? I don't know. I can't
see them wanting to rein like they already did a
lot of multiverse investigation in this season.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
I mean, I mean, I think it's half a joke,
but I think there's a half serious McMahon. Can I
do a spinoff? I mean, strange New World is a
Discovery spin off? Could he? Could? He say, hey, so.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Leaving the door open the rift open as it were
too like another show. But again, I I don't know
if that Again, maybe there's a way they could tell
it that it would work, But I feel like I
don't know if a complete show about multipla about basically
this episode or not this episode the previous episode expanded
(47:49):
into a show. I don't know if that could work.
But but what do I know.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Now, Daniel. I think they were looking at your list
of things that would annoy you and we need to
de evolve.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
We need to evolve, reference de evolved. Yeah, they did it.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Yep, they talked about it. That was funny.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Just I'll tell you one thing that I mean, I
didn't hate anything about this episode, but one thing that
was distracting because you know, you're trying to wrap things
up and you got all your the main characters, I mean,
and not necessarily that everyone necessarily had a thing per se.
But I didn't get Ruththerford's storyline at all, Like it
was like left field, Like I hate the soritos now
(48:31):
and I'm like, where is this coming from? I mean
like like this is the end to some season long disenchantment.
I'm like what, because I mean not that so that
and I couldn't really follow him on his arc in
this episode of like and now I've fallen in love
with it again.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
I'm like what, Yeah, I agree, I was, And then
he's like, oh and I don't need my implant anymore.
It was a choice. I'm like what what? Oh?
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Okay, yeah, what's the message trying to say they're Star
Trek that we don't need our technology? Like what is
your lesson here? I don't understand what.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
They're anti oculous?
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Maybe yeah, And I think you're right. I think whatever
was happening with Rutherford, it didn't this And I would
definitely say this is not a Rutherford season. It is
you know, it is Boimler. It is a little bit
of merrimer, little you know, tendy until in. But yeah,
(49:27):
not really breath of it at all. It's it. So
it's like, oh, we got to have him have something
some character Bilment throw this in and it was We're
like what what?
Speaker 3 (49:39):
So that's it. That is the end of Lower Decks.
That's it. I mean, as far as we know these characters,
they're all wrapped up.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
They're plus one episode of Strange New Worlds plus one
episode of Stranger Worlds.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Oh that's you know, they could shoot back up in
Strange Worlds.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
I mean I highly do, but you know, can can?
Can someone please work the amazing deal that when the
Lower Decks season five Blu Ray drops, it gets it
has a bonus menu where we it includes those old
Scientists episode from Strange Your Worlds. Like, I'll still get
(50:20):
Strange Your World on Blu Ray, but to have it
all together would be great.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
So I'm waiting for the uh, you know you're waiting
for a series five, Dane, I'm just waiting for the
full series coming out.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Oh eventually.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yeah, So well, goodbye to Lower Decks for now. Hopefully
maybe someday in the future, there wild there will be
some sort of revisiting maybe a game or comments.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
So we're down, correct me, We're down to one series
right now, right, I mean, I'm not counting Section Throw
and not to be made, but I'm just not a series.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
It's sure, well, we're down to strage your worlds and
then we have one on deck with the Academy.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
But this is I mean, guys, we have not had
one active series in a long time since.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
The beginning of Discovery.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah, they wrapped up a lot, but I think, honestly,
I mean in the bigger picture, I loved Lower Decks.
I know many people did. I think it proved that
you could tell this kind of story in Star Trek
in animated form, and actually it was the better format.
(51:30):
There's no way they could have told the majority of
these stories from these last five seasons in live action.
It would have cost too much, the actors would have
been the wrong ages, all sorts of things.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
So what are you talking about? We all knew Mariner
was like in her upper thirties the whole time, right.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
But yes, actually I've speaking of Mariner. I was on
a Wikipedia dive. As I was going through the actors,
I did not know. Maybe we already knew this. I
feel like I had forgotten then if the fact that
Tawny Newsome is is from Vackaville, like she was, she
(52:10):
was born there, and so I kind of want to
look in my like high school yearbook because she's like
born the same year as me. I'm like, did we
go to the same high school now? Or do you
go to the other high school? Because that would have
been hilarious. But I feel like if she did go
to my high school, I would have remembered because I
was about it seems like a presence. Yeah, yes, putting
(52:35):
her Wikipedia. Guys, you know she was in Space Force
the series. I did not know she was. I haven't
seen Space Force. I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
I watched literally just watched it for her.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Honestly, Well, we'll get more of her, right, she'll be
she's doing theoretically hypothetical news.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
Show untitled Show five or whatever, the untitled Star Trek Office.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
At the very least, we might probably get her writing.
I know, actually wrote some of the early episodes for
the new show coming out.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
First Academy, Oh for Academy. Yeah. Well, and we can't
call the new show legacy because it's already been used
for a video game, thanks developers.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
But no, Yeah, I think Lower Decks was a great thing.
I can't rememb remember where it fell into the order.
It was Discovery, then it was Lower.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
Oh like when it came out, I think we got
the cart.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
I don't remember, but anyway, it was I think it
was a sort of breath of fresh air, you know,
because because I can't remember if it came before after Picard,
but it was sort of like you know, serious shows,
which is fine, nothing wrong with the serious shows, but
it's sort of like with some air out, like are
we just gonna be like, you know, premiere drama now
(53:53):
in Star Trek because a little bit of you know comedys.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
So so Lower Decks was October of twenty twenty, and
Picard season one was January of twenty twenty, so it
was right after it was the third yeah, the third show.
So yeah, Discovery, Picard and then Lower Decks.
Speaker 3 (54:14):
So really consistent. Honestly, we got five seasons in time
five years.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Right, Yeah, I mean it was very and ten full
episodes every single time, no mid season breaks. I'm looking
at you, uh, Project Discovery. But no, it's a good
it's a good show. It will be missed.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
And speaking of I don't I don't know how transition
to this.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Finally, speaking of penultimate episodes.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yes, so it's a it's a time to end this
animated journey as well with us three. So I don't know, Darren,
you ran the numbers, what are the numbers?
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah, so this isn't necessarily counting you know, our Bird
of Prey episodes, Yeah, our episodes where we were crossing
over into other shows, but counting Earl Gray and SETI
Alpha three with our last episode being next week, will
(55:26):
have done five hundred and ten episodes since we began
in twenty thirteen, all those years ago, and you guys
look the same, no change. So actually I think you
had hair, Daniel I did.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
I didn't know who he's going to go to with it, But.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yes, it's been an amazing over a decade and hundreds
of episodes. We just wanted to beat, you know, more
episodes th TNG, It's all we wanted and we beat
that in spades. But yeah, it's been a great time.
I'm podcasting and we'll have a lot more to say
as we wrap everything up with No Multiverse. Daniel I
(56:07):
promised next week with our final episode.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
I had like a five minutes about Parallel.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
So fine, we have the time to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
All right.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
But we thank you are our listeners, and we will
see you. We'll see you all next week on City
Alpha three.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
I'm full of Gilphis.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
I'm Daniel Proof, and I'm Darren Moser. Stranded here on
City Off of three,
Welcome to the nerd Party.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Darren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphus, I'm Daniel Prue, and.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is City Alpha three.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hello everyone, and welcome to City Alpha three Star Trek
podcast here on the nerd Party Network. I am your host,
Daniel Prue, and joining me as always are my two
fellow strandies, Darren and Philip. Hey, guys, it has been
I don't know, like a month or something. It seems
I feel like, uh, you know, we've we've had the holidays.
So how is your first of all, welcome, Happy New
(00:47):
Year to everyone, But how is your how Philip, how
did your trek's miss and treks.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
New I'm trying to make trust miss the thing, Daniel,
it's welcome to Trickulary. Oh gosh, it's even worse.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, I got a belated uh Treksmiths gift and it
was the because I've seen it. I don't think I
ever actually you know, had it in my hands, but
it was the well and I've forgotten. But it's like
the you know, c Spot run of Star Trek, but
with the Kirk and Spock. So it's a Kirk and
Spock adventure, you know, Sea Spock accidentally give vulcan nerve pinch,
(01:25):
no spot no, you know kind of stuff. So that's
kind of a cool little late rival. Got my little
Star Trek snuggie that my wife gave me what I'm
wearing right now. And I think I got another Star
Trek book. I can't remember what it was, but it's
over there on the shelf. Oh I know it's it's
a special book on two, three and four movies, so
(01:46):
that sort of saga.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
It's called Chaos on the Bridge. You can buy it on.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But yeah, and I'm looking forward to I think I'm
two doctor who's away from starting Star Trek season or
TG season three, so looking forward to getting back in
my TG rewatch.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
So surely one of those was not the Christmas special?
Surely you watched that?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes, yes, I wasn't counting that, but yes.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
What about you, Darren? Did you get anything to Santa
come visit you? Or yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I got a little pretty bad this year. I got
a little bit of sci Fi. I got the season
three and season four Lower Decks Blu rays. So my
collection is up to date. I'm not gonna say complete
because I still need season five, which at this rate,
man I was just noting that, like Wicked is already
(02:40):
coming out on Blu Ray, Like there's so much stuff
that's coming out really fast. So I'm expecting it very soon,
hopefully for season five of Lower Decks. But my parents
also did give me a Mammoth Blu Ray of all
of Babylon five, and so I was like, oh, well,
(03:02):
that's another rewatch to put on the list with all
my free time.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
How many seasons?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Five? It's in the title Babylon five. Wait a minute,
five seasons?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Are we missing?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Two?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Deep Space? Nine seasons done? Because no, no.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
He wrote it to be five award winning one hundred
and ten remastered episode plus the Gather. Yeah, no, no,
I'm pretty sure he wrote it to be five seasons,
Like the story was going to end, yeah, where it's
suddenly was going to be four, and then you jam
packed the ending into four and then was told, just kidding,
(03:42):
get an extra one, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
He told, So I had to like grades.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, the story was like really compressed and then really stretched,
and you know, it all worked out. But yeah, it's
been been a hot moment since I've watched Babylon five
or a couple of years. So it'll be a fun watch.
I bought myself a Blu Ray portable player because I'm like, well,
(04:08):
the only Blu Ray player we have in the house
is on the plate PS five. So I rarely watched
Blue Ray out there in the living room. So out there, yeah,
I know, on the TV, but no, no, it's just
in my tiny corner. That's what I'm gonna watch. What
did Treks and Claus bringing?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
So so I got a brand new Star Trek game
for Christmas on Christmas. In fact, it was released on
Christmas Day. And by brand new, I mean it's two
years old. It's been in Apple Arcade for the past
two years called Star Trek Legends, uh, and it was
just released on I think every other platform on Christmas Day,
(04:50):
so all the other consoles and I think Steam as well.
And I've been playing that pretty much NonStop since it
is very similar in tone and like story to the
old mobile game Star Trek Timelines.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I was gonna say, I remember Timelines.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. It's very also
similar to one of the episodes of Lower Decks we'll
talk about here in a minute, where you just get
a mishmash of crew random crew from random other shows
and Time has no meeting on this, there's no so
you know, there's not really a story. It's all text
(05:30):
based and stuff. But you collect different characters, so you
get you know, you get young Kirk and then you
get you.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Get remember playing like a beta version of.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
This or something. It's possible, definitely, It's been on Arcade
I said, like I said for a while. But you
basically just you know, you you earn these credits and
then you roll your dice and you see which character
you get.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Some of them are like Pokemon, but with Star Trek
O not exactly. Yeah, yeah, not the fighting.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
L yeah, yeah, kind of kind of. You collect them.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
You collect data at shove a minisphere. Yeah, I choose
Wharf and yeah, so it is a very very basic game,
but well what Warf actually is part of the main story.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
It's Wharf, Michael Burnham, h and McCoy those.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Does it have any voice voice.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Performance between each there's like six you know, yeah, there's
no voice acting between photos and the game as well,
between the chapters there's like two sentences and it's just
like a generic narrator. But besides that, there's no like
voice acting. Yeah, and the art style is kind of cartoonish,
(06:43):
so like you know, sixties Kirk because he's got a
bunch of swagger and stuff like that, Like Riker barely
looks like Riker. But it's it's interesting. It's fine. It's
very very basic, but it's fine. And for or I
think I paid nine bucks for it or whatever, it's fine.
(07:04):
So Star Trek Legends, same thing as Start Trek timelines,
because if you don't have to pay money, it's fine.
Check it out if you want to. And like I said,
it's been an Apple Arcade forever, so if you have
an iPhone, you probably have played it or may may
have tucked it out, but if not, it's available everywhere else.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Now I have to try that out because I bought
some Apple hardware for Christmas and they're prompting me to
get my three free months of Apple Plus and three
free months of Arcade and all that. So I need
to need to try that and then set a reminder
to cancel before three months.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I have the radio times. It's like the big TV
gut here always has a Christmas issue that comes with
thirty days Apple plush craming and my severance, which I've
never seen before. And then Silo season two, So.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, I need to Gosh, I still need to watch
season four of for All Mankind. I say, I'm a fan,
but it's still have not found the proper moment to
sit down and watch that one.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well, like they say, sir, if it's worth it, you'll
make the time.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Don't take the quote I use often and throw it
back at me.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yes, all right, well we let's let's get into it
because we have a lot to talk about today. We
have to we have to cover the last we'll say,
last half maybe last last quarter of Lower Decks, which
has now completed. So I do think the last episode
that we specifically talked about was the Klangon episode, specifically.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I believe, so yeah, like or or we Yeah, you
hadn't seen it, but Philip and I talked about it,
and you didn't particularly care.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
So now I don't know, I don't know. I'm not
super interested in going episode by episode, but we can
just sort of cover everything.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
So that would have been a farewell to Farms episode four.
So we still had a lot of episodes left.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, so I'll just go through the real quick the
last five episodes just in name and a quick synopsis,
just so we know.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
What the last on the one before that, So go ahead.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So Starbaks eighty, which turns out to be important at
the end of God's I remember eighty.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Oh we're we're just listing, and I thought, I'm just
listening to can we can get into whatever we want?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Which, so just put a little note in your brain.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Starbus eighty question mark exclamation point, got it?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Of God's and Angels?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Which is is that the data one?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
No, that's the one with the crew member that has
the godlike Greek powers or like the last episode, this
is the Orbs and Cubes episode.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Fully Dilated Versus, which is the data episode.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Where they go on to a voyager time planet plan.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, upper decks, which.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It's pretty much all about the upper deckor yeah, that was.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Like I don't really remember other than it was like
snippets from the command crew, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Thought that was cool. Cool Fisher Quest, which is I'm
sure we'll talk a bunch about that's the one where
they just plucked a bunch of people from different parts
of you.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
That was the William Boemler episode.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yes, yes, yes, that's the DePaul episode. So I'm sure
we'll get into it, and then of course the final episode,
which is the new next generation.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Best title ever.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
So yeah, we'll do a kind of piece of MI
or not. Peace will actually just whatever you guys want
to talk about. If there's an episode that sticks out
that you really want to get into, or a character arc,
or or if you want to jump right to the
end and then fill on later, what do you what
do you guys?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I'm fine going through the list and just giving little
notes on each one because some I have more to
say than others.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
But and I'll be curious. We don't have to get
into it, but Daniel for the a mental bookmark. My
question to you, which happens in many in some series
of Star trek is, does the penultimate episode oh overshadow
or belong as the finale versus the last episode, because
like you famously like an enterprise or something like that,
(11:00):
where we're like, because I'm not saying the finale sucked
by any means, but I'm just saying I wonder a
lot of people's eyes, like the penultimate episode was like, oh,
that was cool, and the last one was like yeah,
and then it ended, you know, But anyway.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
We'll see I have very very strong feelings about the
ending of the of the series, but we'll get into
it when we get there. So, uh so Starbas eighty,
this is these.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah right, Daniel, Yeah, this one, I don't know. For me,
I guess I could sum it up with there's been
so much build up about Star Bas eighty, we've even
visited it before that, Like I felt, I don't know,
(11:42):
it wasn't quite what I was expecting in this episode,
and it kind of felt like an EH episode, Like
I really liked Farewell to Farms, like failed to Farms
right before. This was really good, lots of great character
for our Klingon and sign slash captain. Uh So, yeah,
Star Bas eighty, I was I don't know, it felt
very disjoint it to me.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I can't remember her name, but the woman who voices
the station captain or commander. She's a comedian and she
hosts stuff, but she's not she's not my favorite. I'm
trying to remember what she would have hosted, Like she's
like a little Netflix series. I mean, she's a comedian,
she does other stuff. But anyway, but not that she's bad,
but she's just has never been my favorite. And so
(12:24):
that's sort of colored every time she talked. I'm like, okay, sir.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I guess one thing I bumped on that they never explained,
which they didn't have to Starbucks eighties crazy, But why
were they wearing enterprise uniforms?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I'm assuming it has to mean that they are.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
In twenty third century.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, they're just they're so out of date with their technology.
They're also out of date with uniforms, which doesn't make
any sense because yeah, they found a big they found
like a crate of them, you know, and they're like, ah,
these will do you know?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, they were selling the TOS uniforms, right, if I
remember the wardrobe or what was it that this movie.
I haven't watched the episode, but it was like a
costume shot that sold some uniforms.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
It also was a great way to show the difference
between Starbas eighty personnel and Surreno's personnel walking around.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
But I did, I mean a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Of the question scance or something from TG Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, I do think a lot of the questions
are answered, like because it is weird. That episode does
feel weird in the fact that like we're like, okay,
there are just some quirky characters on this station and
and like what what what does this mean? Like what
like and then it turns out is important at the end,
like we learned that, like why we wanted to go
there and learn about it and find out. And I'm like, okay,
(13:41):
I can kind of see it, but like you fill
up a lot of it is like kind of head
scratch you like, like like I get it, Like I
understand that it's supposed to be this like backwater place,
you know, but it's still a space station, you know
what I mean, Like it's like it still has capabilities
of doing things.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And it was just kind of saying, now, Daniel, as
a game, I mean, we all are, but you you
more so how much was your brain twitching that Freeman
was just giving side quests and side quest.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
You must go down to the exiliary power criminal.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
And get me a hydrosper and only then will I
It's like, which, I this is gonna sound stupid, Like
I think it was obvious that was the guy to
me from the beginning, so I was.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Like, you know, but but then on the flip side,
an obvious joke that still made me laugh the hardest
was the like they go I forget which characters they're
going to the arcade. Oh yeah, I guess it was
the same characters going to the arcade. And they're like,
you know, the Naus, what was it?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
The Nasikns or whoever it was, And they're like, oh.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Where are you going? Unless you're going to the.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Arcade, Yeah we are, Oh try it over there.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, now the jokes all landed. It just it was
a weird. It was a very It didn't feel like
the flow of the series. It felt like one of
its own standalone because.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Like I mean, with lower decks, I feel like we've
always said and I'm rephrasing, not that we've always said this,
but that as far as like the references and references
and of the early days and even now, but like
it still feels like a real Star Trek World. I mean,
like it's funny but it's real. But this episode's like
this doesn't really make sense and feel real.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
It kind of it doesn't. It definitely does not feel
real in a real place that would that would exist,
that you would go to it.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
It makes me think more bad was it like the
first season maybe second where there was that that mysterious
uh Station that had the alien with the three arms
like Eric's Like that felt way more, a way better
payoff of like this materious arm place that Yeah, the
farm that we finally go to. That that didn't come
(15:56):
across the same way with starbars Ad.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
But it also turns out that Starbury's eighty is just
a joke to have Deep Space nine again essentially, like
that's what that's true. And I'm like, okay, but that's
not really like the joke doesn't really pay off. It
doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
You could have done that with like half an episode
and you explain some starbas eighty stuff. I don't think
it needed its full episode to get that across.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Not saying it's bad, like like like we're saying, it's
just it's just kind of a weird one. It's just
a little strange. So onward onward two of Gods and Angels.
This is the one with the lightning bolt girl.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Right is it? Of Gods and Angles?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Angles?
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Right? Right? Sorry, Oh you're right, you're right right, you're right.
I see what you did there, you use my well.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I was trying to remember how am I going to
remember this episode? Then you told me how to remember them?
Like what, that's probably the title.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Then Yeah, No, I like the I like the cubes
and orbs. They were very funny, you know, like all
their insults to each other, like you have no edges,
you know, and and I think we all, yeah, I
think we all saw that, the fact that their kids
are going to love each other like a mile away,
like oh, Juliet, oh yeah, we see this. But it
(17:10):
all it all worked out. It was a fun It
was a fun one return to form.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, I think I'd have to watch it again because it,
I mean, whatever Star Trek only has, you know, you know,
there's only five stories that exist in the world. But like,
it reminded me of the Lower Decks episode with I
can't remember his name, Fletcher was it like the one
super guy but he ended up being like a terrible
person who had like pretended to lose I forget what
(17:36):
it was now lose like a battery or something, And
every lie was a bigger lie. It was a bigger lie.
And then the same thing with this new crewman god
you know whatever. Yeah, it was still weird.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Seeing a star Fleet officer lie. And then the b
plot with Boimler trying to emulate his pad self and
become friends with doctor Tiana. Again we get payoff for
that I forgot, but like it's a very different story
than the ag Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Will say uh with that whole thing with them, with
that character. I did like the payoff that it wasn't
like nefarious in anyway. It was literally just like she
you know, she had to learn to sort of accept
herself kind of a thing. Yeah, And I also liked
that she just didn't care, like she didn't want to
focus on the fact that she had these godpowers. She
(18:29):
just wanted to engineer or whatever it was that she
was into, right, And I like that about And I'm
glad she comes back in the in the final episode.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
That's because it's been a hot second seeing the episode.
But she was something else, Like she wasn't wearing gold color, right,
she was command color.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I think I think she was command color.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And it was to the end she finally gets back
to because I just watched the last episode when she
was an engineering So.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yes, I like that, and I like that character, and
I'm like, wow, introducing new characters this light seems a choice.
But of course, again we learned later on, I.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Know only there was so nefarious plan about it. But
I'm trying to remember that episode two was it? This also,
wasn't the anomaly there in that episode two? Am I
making it up in my head?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Probably? It was like in the background a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, I mean it was in the background a lot.
But I feel like they didn't overdo it. It wasn't
like in every episode. You know, it was in most episodes.
But oh right, I'm pulling up Yeah, I just pulled
up some screen caps and she was in red in
this episode, so she shifted to her true love of engineering.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
All right, Well, next episode is fully Dilated, where this
is what this says the crew going a pre warp
Society undercover girls trip, which that's fair, That's that's cute.
It's where to Linn. Yeah, and Mariner and tend Tendy
(19:57):
go on a planet that has that They know they're
going to be stuck on there for a year. I
think it's a whole year. They stand up staying there
and they find it because.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
The boys are eating at the transporter room, ye.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Which is or I thought it was like a month,
like it was meant to be like two months or something,
and then it ends up being like several years because
I thought.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
It was just a year, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, I think it was anyway.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, it could be either way. Purple Data shows up
and he imparts some wisdom to the dueling science buddies.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Purple Data's head, let's be that's right, that's right, that's true.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I did like how this kind of dealt with that
issue and then we were kind of like moved past it.
Like back in season one, this issue would have been
an issue for like the whole season of like oh no,
we're we're trying to be friends, but we also like
the same thing and we're competing. It's like, no, no,
we're just we're good. It's been like a two episode
(20:57):
conflict and now it's done. So yeah, and when they
keep cutting back to like the real time of the bullets,
like trying to get clean it up and like that's
why there's no food in the transporter room and it's
just that was a very funny episode.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I loved Mariners plotline in this whole thing where.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
She had to become buddies with somebody a friend.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I thought that was really funny and she kept just
screwing up. But uh, I don't love the like I
don't know. I kind of I don't really love the
let's both be the same position resolution to this story.
I kind of, man, I don't hate it. It's just
(21:42):
like it happens here and then it happens at the end,
and it's like, you know, uh, you know, two people
doing the same position, like why not give tend to
something else to do or you know, whatever it is.
It doesn't you don't have to be the main science person.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And there's so many sciences, like even the fact that
later on when they're both at and they in the
very very very end where they say like, oh, there's
some gelatinous you know, telekinetic goo, and then how pvcosticism? Yeah,
and then but the other ones like oh what did
it say? It's like yeah, they approach it very differently,
so they could be in like different subspecialties, you know.
(22:20):
But but this is great. Yeah, Brent Speiner was great
in this.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
As a concept, I've never thought about it, but I
mean it's not wrong because I don't know, not that
we have that many science officers and start trek. Surprisingly
you would think, because like even dax Is, you know,
piloting the Defiant and commanding it at some point, you know,
science stuff. But I always think like, oh, science office
(22:50):
is gonna be like either a generalist or be like
something in certain sciences. I would never think like you
could go from sick bay to chief science officer. But
I mean, you know, why not. I guess I think
Tendy you know, shows there are multiple career paths to
chief Science.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
And that's the thing too, is that like it's it's
that's that's I think exactly what I was thinking is, yeah,
we even though medical usually had a little more teal,
but the fact that often like medical and science both
wore blue and then you had like security slash, you know,
tactical slash, you know, engineering wore gold. So it's like
(23:28):
you wouldn't be like, oh, there's only one blue person
on the back of the ship. It's like, no, they
could be multiple in different subspecialties.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But nope, that's not the It's actually been a joke
when a Tindy got the position she went from teal
to blue. Yeah, and she would have to like it
was never mentioned, but you would just notice it or
not notice it. That would be funny. Actually, Like I
think of this episode just because it was so different,
(23:57):
like they're off the starship and it's just a different concept.
I mean data, you know, that's fine, but I think
that the three characters sort of having different things, you know,
to Len's opening up her what was that it was
a cosmetic shop?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But was it ultimately Oh yeah that's what it started
as that but yeah, it basically made like tons of money.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
But but I mean that's I mean because there were
three character. I mean, you had the boys with the
stupid stuff, but all three characters had separate storylines. I mean, like,
to me, that's sort of this perfect story writing thing
of where everyone gets apart almost equal and then you know, so, yeah,
I think I enjoyed this episode out of most of them.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Oh, I think it was a hair tonic. It was
like a hair beauty supply.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And then and then the annoying guy. I think is
that sort of rule of comedy where like he's annoying,
but the longer he's there becomes funny again.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, I liked that the whole you know, town cynic
who's suspicious of everything. And it also kind of makes
sense because like I think some of the things they
say in the beginning kind of tipped him off, because yeah,
if you go into another country and you're like, oh, yeah,
we couldn't find X, and we know that, and I
know that X is on every street corner in the set,
(25:11):
like it's going to sound suspicious.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
So and he asked them where they're from and come
from the North.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, it's Star Trek the North. But it's all uh yes.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
The only thing I'd never understood. I didn't get the
title in this, like what what is fully because I
always thought, remember when we just saw the list of titles,
that this was going to be a callback to like
Wharf Delivering, you know, to kicko O'Brien or something like that,
something maternity based. So like I I never think it's
(25:48):
just me. Yeah, okay, that makes a little more sense,
I think I first, Yeah, it's just the term is
so connected with like children. Yeah, yeah, I'm like, what
is this?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, I think it's just a pun on the on
the planet.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
All the titles are puns. But yes, no, I think
you're right, Okay, I see it now, like Upper Decks.
That's a funny joke.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, I'm gonna need help on this one, because Upper
Decks I do I like, I remember specifically like we
follow the the Bridge crew mostly, and then.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
So some of the subplots are Ransom is trying to
quote unquote inspire some of the ensigns with the cloaking
like little ball ships, and Shraks is going through like
a meditation duel with his trauma Cardassian self, and Tiana
(26:45):
is like not being very empathetic about pain, and so
they're seeing like let's reset the pain thresholds of like
A one through ten and it all comes together. But yeah,
those are the main and then I think, I don't
remember if Freeman has a main plot her, but it's
(27:06):
mainly focusing on on some of these other ones. But oh,
and then Billups is the cascading equipment failure where he's
like reworking every single panel. So this was, I mean,
especially it being the last season, I enjoyed like a
good chunk of time with the Command crew.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Freeman is her plot line is whoever her assistant is
following her around and she has to keep going to
the recital.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Oh that's right, Yeah it's not Billups. It's the other guy.
I can't remember his name, but that's right. And then
it all it all works out where when they need
them at the end, it's like, oh, I got a
tuba and I'm turning into this and it actually is helpful.
And yeah, it was very tng because you know, we're
(27:55):
always going to say museums and yeah, it's like Data's
Day very much.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I remember liking the episode quite a bit, just the
details sort of slipped out of my brain.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah. No, well, and I knew once we had a recap.
I mean both of you were like, oh, yeah, I
remember that part of the plot. And then you know
there were the non complimentary aliens that tried to take
them over, and if you complimented them, they like streaked
in agony. They're like, yeah, I think you're doing a
great job. Like no, lot birds, don't say it.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
And I do love the ransom wrap up.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
When he yeah, he actually did inspire them all along.
It's like, I think this is like the most lower
decks of lower decks kind of episode where there's no
way I mean, we say Data's Day, but like this
is like Data's Day to the MS degree you gotta
(28:52):
do there episodes. But yeah, so like I love this
works in an animated lower deck format. I don't think
you could do anything remotely close to this level of
story in one episode, in one twenty two minute episode,
in any of the other shows, it'd be too much.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
And I mean not when you said that. What I
also thought was it's also lower decks because we get
to see all the other lower decks. It's not just
our main right.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
That's true. It's the the Beta squad and the you know,
all the other delta shift Delta Shift, and.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
It's like it's kind of a bottle episode, which is
weird because like doesn't they don't go anywhere. Yeah, so
it's like, goodness, it's interesting, all right.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Oh, and that's right. And then Freeman's husband arrives for
the anniversary at the very end. Oh that was sweet,
and we're and now now we all know that they're
definitely buried and they're definitely still love. There's no ambiguity
in that. But that's also a seed that we'll see
payoff in the in the very finale. So that's right,
good job.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Well, heading into the finale, we jump into you Request,
which is.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Oh man, this episode.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, this was when I was not ready for this one.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
So we basically spend the entire time, right, I think
the whole time. I don't think we spend any time except.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Except at the very very end. Yeah, the entire episode, the.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Entire episode is in an alternate universe where this rag
tag group of people we know from other shows.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
On a defiant class chip.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Of course, of course started to fine class Ship. So
did you guys think.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I mean, I couldn't, you know, for the as much
as fan service as lower Decks can certainly be. But
i mean I'm like, goodness, really like really and you know, mean,
let's go through it. So we had the Sheer, We
had Garrick, I mean all voice by Harry kim Has
(30:53):
and then was on Decks, which was a rando, But
as far as the actual character was interesting, that was true.
But to Paul, I'm like, geez crazy, Like when later
it's revealed they have Lily, I'm like, Lily, I accept
Alfree Woodard is easier to get than Julie, Right.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, I was just looking at her IMD or her
Wikipedia page and it's like, you know, active this year
to twenty seventeen Comma and twenty twenty four, like she's
been she's been done, hasn't been acting doing anything since then.
So that was that was like they've probably been working
on that for a while to get her back.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Well, I've seen a couple of interviews where you know,
they talked about it and you know, she had she
was like, she was like, I mean, I'll do it
if you know this and this and this, and they
were more than happy to And then to have her
back is cool, Like that's a cool get. I don't know, it's.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
And for fans because I think she's from a universe
where she's lived with Trip for decades and like they
had a life as opposed to the end of Enterprise
where that was not the case.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Spoilers, even though she's wearing the same clothes that she.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Was, well, Vulcan's age slowly.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Well you're out there clothing now. But it's fine, it
doesn't matter, not a big deal. Having Curzon and herbie
buddy buddy is not like a thing I ever thought
that would sort of like check off, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I mean, I like seeing curs On because I always
wondered about Curzon, like he seemed like a very interesting
and it was always a tangentile because like we saw
him at the very beginning of DS nine and then
we see little moments obviously between jed Zia and Benjamin
that I'm like, oh, what's more to this story? Like
(32:44):
I want more? And then there's like, here's a ton
of like this guy in this episode.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
And then I thought, are they going to put Dax
inside of to Paul? And I was going to get upset.
I think by that I would not have liked that
very much, but they I think it was smart the
way they handled it, because then ier like this is
toom like this is too much weirdness.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, in my fan fiction, to Paul is also a
trill and holds the tax symbion.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
It's like, I mean, this feels like fan fiction. That's
the thing, like when you go too much too far
with it.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I don't know because and maybe because it's and I
would I would say it's not too far. It's just concentrated.
It's the fact that, like the Harry Kim joke on
its own could be an episode, but you have that
and the Garrick and the you know, the to Paul
(33:35):
like so it's it's it's just the fact that it's
all in one episode and you're trying to move the
This one is the most move along the background uh
season plot. So that's also tied in with the riffs
and all of that. So yeah, because we had that
whole other ship as well, the ring ship. You know,
(33:58):
all of that was in this.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
The fact because when I saw it, I'm like, oh,
oh my gods, well whatever it is, but anyway, it's
the Enterprise ringship. And then with Captain Lily and her
Mary crew the thing that blew my mind because I
was like, well, that's cool they landed that thing and
I could see how it landed. I'm like, oh, my
mind was that folds?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Oh my god, you had evil one evil Harry Kim,
the one who made lieutenant. So it's like, I guess
Harry Kim should not ever make lieutenant. Yeah this, Yeah, again,
I enjoyed this episode, but there was a lot like
I probably need to rewatch it again to reabsorb, but
(34:45):
it was I.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Think it's an interesting I mean, you know, and people
do this, especially Doctor Who, but people do this where oh,
we're gonna fight the bad guy and then the bad
guy turns out not to be the bad guy, right,
and then it's like they.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Just didn't know. It's like, oh, okay, nort no foul,
let's fix it.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
And I don't think I've thought about it since I've
watched it, so I don't know if Gerrick and Bashir
are from the same universe or whether they just met,
you know, from different verses.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I think they're from different universes because the entire plot
is I'm deciding which universe they will settle on, because
I mean, it's not Besher, it's the Beer hologram, it's
the it's the one that you know, Andy Dick presumably
stole but from you know, I guess, but she never
got in Trouble Universe. I don't know why. I totally
(35:39):
forgot about the Like I thought he was just happened
to be a hologram and I'm like that, but I
forgot there was an episode where we made a Beser hologram.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
That hologram or a hologram from a different universes.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
But but we know where it was created. But yeah,
I always assumed. I assumed every single care character in
this episode was not from the Prime universe except for Boemler.
That's what I assumed.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Well, well, that'll be tricky. We'll find out in the
next episode what it means. What does what mean? And
where's who from? And how do we know? But yes,
of course, we know all the details that are given
about these separate characters. Were led to believe that these
are definitely different versions of the characters, and we know
although to be fair, one of those Harry Kims could
have been prime Harry Kim would impossible to know, but
(36:33):
I like how they were.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Their first question was like, did you make it back?
And they're like yes or no or maybe or you know, yeah,
I liked all the Harry just again, you could tell,
you know, Garrett and all of the actors were having
fun with this episode and recording these lines and you know,
doing all of that. So yeah, Fiss Request was a
(36:56):
dense episode. Garret.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Any Starfleet uniform, so even know right how that universe would.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
They're on desperate times, they are, you know, they let
nog in. They're like, okay, I guess anybody could any
blue shirt.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
So well, maybe he just looks good and blue and
he just you know, he tailored it.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
He just says, like, you know what, I've come mad,
but it's going to be blue because it reflects my
skin better.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
I think it'd be yellow intelligence or operation.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
That's two on the nose. He's not a spy. What
are you talking about? Philip.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
It's just a plain, simple doctor.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
That blue is the color of tailors. That's what everyone is.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
That whole universe could be blue. We don't know we've seen, Pope.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Did they have blue blue geric? You know, I'm I'm
trying to think now. I know we had the episode
in the beginning of this season where they had this
slightly different color, like it was slightly darker, but I
don't think we've ever seen I think it would have
been funny if we'd seen an alternate universe where the
colors are just different departments, so like blue is command
(38:01):
and red is engineering. Oh it's a little on the nose,
but anyway, something like that would be funny, or like
they're all very different.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
They made that joke in Lower Dex right when they
were they were like, oh, it's a point zero zero
three four variants or whatever it was, and everything was
just slightly off. I remember what episode, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
I remember that. I was just talking about more variants,
but yeah, something like that. It's a It's an easy
joke to make, ye.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
So yeah, that is the penultimate episode. So we'll move
right into the last episode, which is of course called
a New New Net. The New Next Generation, and this
is where we get the ends of the multiverse. Well
I guess not really, but we get the resolution to
the multiverse saga and the Riffs.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Aren't destroying the multiverse anymore. But yeah, yes, that's correct.
And the end of the show one, well, yeah, that's right,
that's right.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Uh so what do you guys think? What'd you guys?
How do you feel about the ending?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Darren?
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I just rewatched it. No, I mean it's good, and
I mean I'm gonna get into it, but I mean
it's good. It's I'm not here to you know, like
if we it'd be interesting to rate it here. I mean,
like it's not a stinker like Enterprise or the a Voyager,
So I mean it's it's not in that tier.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I wasn't like sitting here going crazy like let's see
a d S nine or or Next Gen. So I
think it sits in the middle there. It's you know,
it's it's it's just another episode that wraps stuff up.
But you know it's no one dies or anything, you know, right, I.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Mean I like the fact that you know, they purposely
wrote it to wrap up some storylines but also continue.
It's very much like you know, all good things where
it's not like the end of all good things in
next Gen the Enterprise docs and all the crew get
off and they're done. It's like, no, like we're things
(40:06):
are changing, you know, Carol is is now on starveas
eighty with her husband and you know, so it's kind
of more of a DS nine ending ish where they're
some things are still the same, but some things are progressing.
We'll later get into how fast we're ending up on
the bridge, but uh, you know, but overall, I felt,
(40:29):
you know this, I liked all the payoff in this
episode because a lot of it really was payoff from
this season. It wasn't trying to pay off like the
season the I mean, yeah, part of it was trying
to pay off the series, but I'm glad this wasn't.
It was a mix. It was a mix of like, oh,
we're going to bring in the Lightning Girl and oh
(40:50):
we're going to bring in you know, the uh, the
starvece Ad and the alternative Boimler and all these aspects
to the plot. So it all made sense. But then
we're going to have our little coda and we're going
to progress these characters, you know, especially with with Carol
and in Ransom as captain now. But I felt like,
(41:10):
I'm glad we had that earlier episode upper Deckers or
sorry upper Decks, Like I think that really was needed
for Ransom to kind of re cement him as he
is a competent officer, like he gets the butt of
the joke often, but I would be okay with him
(41:32):
being in the center chair because that's where he ends up.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
So yeah, Dane, are you writing the spinoff? Are you
have you been hired to do the spin off of Star.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Of Worm Old Space Fissures? Totally totally different.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I love I do. I love the ending ending, I
love the Ransom stuff. I think it's great. I think
all the payoff was fun and interesting. I really just
like what they did with with the time the Multiverse rift,
just like leaving it open. I thought they were just
going to close it and call it good and that
was gonna be fine. I would have been fine with
(42:10):
that ending, but leaving it open feels like they're like
dropping a cannon bomb inside of Star Trek and then
just leaving. I don't I really don't understand it, because
like this is a thing that now exists, and I
know I'm probably true way too seriously, but this now
exists inside of Star Trek and we can't get rid
of it.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
It's like, here's the thing, like Picard could go visit
that that right, Why is.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
The burn a thing? Even a thing? If you can
just hop into another universe where the burn isn't a thing?
Speaker 1 (42:39):
It's always about the burn?
Speaker 3 (42:44):
This is this is a this is a canon breaking
uh singularity. And not only that, but it's not even interesting, right,
Like I think like even Mike McMahon made jokes about this.
He's like, I'm so sick of the effing multiverse, like
when Boimler said it, and like he clearly didn't love it,
uh and wanted I thought he would want to close
(43:05):
it up.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
But it just means they could have also tamped it
down a little bit where like, you know, it doesn't
seem that things can go through this fissure, but we
don't have the ability to close it. So we will
post Star bas eighty as a visual in case things
do come through something like that where it's a little
more ambiguous. They made it sound like, boy, things are
(43:29):
going to be popping out every week and we got
to deal with that. You know, it doesn't just.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Turn into Buffy then isn't coming out of the hell now?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
It just what it was? Is that, Like I said,
so Deep Space nine sets all this exact scenario up
in episode one and then they deal with it for
seven seasons. Lower Decks brought this about in the last
ten minutes of the last episode and then they're washing
their hands of it, and I'm like, this feels it's
just infuriating and you can't just do that, Like why,
(43:57):
like why isn't this they did.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
They or Darren is a stargate? Have they basically created Stargate?
Speaker 1 (44:03):
I mean, I really liked what Daniel said though about
as I did. For some reason, it didn't even cross
my mind that I kept this aspect of it for
some reason in my head in the Lower Decks universe,
which I know is also the Trek universe, but I
didn't even really conn that's a whole nother man. That
(44:30):
lit a flame under the people who love complaining Genus zero.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Point five seconds.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Oh my gosh, I mean I remember the head. I mean,
I know we're spinning off to that topic, but it
was so funny because all the haters were like Lower
Decks confirmed that that Discovery is in an alternate timeline
and it's like what what man?
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Oh, well, and that's it and obviously that is a joke.
But also if we are to take the fact that
Lower Decks is just is in prime universe, right, which
is fine. I'm fine with that, Like that seems to
be the way it's been.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Everything they interact with in our time is not different,
So I don't see why not.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Right, right, So I'm just we're just under that assumption,
which is fine. Then of course then they're going to
impact the universe by leaving this big hole in space.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, it is not fine. I didn't really connect that
in my head, but you're right, it is, like it's
it's very weird. And if it's never closed, heck, Discovery
in the future could go visit it, like anybody could.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Guys. I hate to tell you about start fleeting Academy,
but it features a really big oh.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
And like how we get stars from all times to
visit us at our academy exactly, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I'm not saying if it would be cool as a story,
but like wouldn't be cool if that is a setting
up Starfleet Academy and we don't even know it.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
You could, but you can do the same thing with
the Holidack and make make way more sense, Like you
don't need to. It's fine. It just it just upset
me because I'm like why, because, like you said, Darren,
it's not like they're just leaving an ambiguous Oh the
rift is open, what does that mean? Who knows? They're like, oh,
we're going to go explore the multiverse now. And even
earlier in the season, Boyemoor called the mirror Universe. He's like, oh,
(46:26):
they're just lazy ripoffs. They're like one degree off and
then it's just lazy. It's just cheesy, easy writing. And
I'm like, yes, I agree, thousand percent. That's what.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
That's why we all know if Daniel was in charge
of lower decks, this would not happen.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
I'm just saying this. I was very upset about it. It
was the one thing I was like, man, this is
great ending, and then I'm like, what did they just do?
And then they're just gonna shut down, Like I know,
you know they didn't know before the season or whatever,
but they knew before they made this last episode that
they weren't coming back so just close the rift.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
That's a good question. Was this going to be the
main plot of season six? I don't know. I can't
see them wanting to rein like they already did a
lot of multiverse investigation in this season.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
I mean, I mean, I think it's half a joke,
but I think there's a half serious McMahon. Can I
do a spinoff? I mean, strange New World is a
Discovery spin off? Could he? Could? He say, hey, so.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Leaving the door open the rift open as it were
too like another show. But again, I I don't know
if that Again, maybe there's a way they could tell
it that it would work, But I feel like I
don't know if a complete show about multipla about basically
this episode or not this episode the previous episode expanded
(47:49):
into a show. I don't know if that could work.
But but what do I know.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Now, Daniel. I think they were looking at your list
of things that would annoy you and we need to
de evolve.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
We need to evolve, reference de evolved. Yeah, they did it.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Yep, they talked about it. That was funny.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Just I'll tell you one thing that I mean, I
didn't hate anything about this episode, but one thing that
was distracting because you know, you're trying to wrap things
up and you got all your the main characters, I mean,
and not necessarily that everyone necessarily had a thing per se.
But I didn't get Ruththerford's storyline at all, Like it
was like left field, Like I hate the soritos now
(48:31):
and I'm like, where is this coming from? I mean
like like this is the end to some season long disenchantment.
I'm like what, because I mean not that so that
and I couldn't really follow him on his arc in
this episode of like and now I've fallen in love
with it again.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
I'm like what, Yeah, I agree, I was, And then
he's like, oh and I don't need my implant anymore.
It was a choice. I'm like what what? Oh?
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Okay, yeah, what's the message trying to say they're Star
Trek that we don't need our technology? Like what is
your lesson here? I don't understand what.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
They're anti oculous?
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Maybe yeah, And I think you're right. I think whatever
was happening with Rutherford, it didn't this And I would
definitely say this is not a Rutherford season. It is
you know, it is Boimler. It is a little bit
of merrimer, little you know, tendy until in. But yeah,
(49:27):
not really breath of it at all. It's it. So
it's like, oh, we got to have him have something
some character Bilment throw this in and it was We're
like what what?
Speaker 3 (49:39):
So that's it. That is the end of Lower Decks.
That's it. I mean, as far as we know these characters,
they're all wrapped up.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
They're plus one episode of Strange New Worlds plus one
episode of Stranger Worlds.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Oh that's you know, they could shoot back up in
Strange Worlds.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
I mean I highly do, but you know, can can?
Can someone please work the amazing deal that when the
Lower Decks season five Blu Ray drops, it gets it
has a bonus menu where we it includes those old
Scientists episode from Strange Your Worlds. Like, I'll still get
(50:20):
Strange Your World on Blu Ray, but to have it
all together would be great.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
So I'm waiting for the uh, you know you're waiting
for a series five, Dane, I'm just waiting for the
full series coming out.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Oh eventually.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yeah, So well, goodbye to Lower Decks for now. Hopefully
maybe someday in the future, there wild there will be
some sort of revisiting maybe a game or comments.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
So we're down, correct me, We're down to one series
right now, right, I mean, I'm not counting Section Throw
and not to be made, but I'm just not a series.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
It's sure, well, we're down to strage your worlds and
then we have one on deck with the Academy.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
But this is I mean, guys, we have not had
one active series in a long time since.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
The beginning of Discovery.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah, they wrapped up a lot, but I think, honestly,
I mean in the bigger picture, I loved Lower Decks.
I know many people did. I think it proved that
you could tell this kind of story in Star Trek
in animated form, and actually it was the better format.
(51:30):
There's no way they could have told the majority of
these stories from these last five seasons in live action.
It would have cost too much, the actors would have
been the wrong ages, all sorts of things.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
So what are you talking about? We all knew Mariner
was like in her upper thirties the whole time, right.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
But yes, actually I've speaking of Mariner. I was on
a Wikipedia dive. As I was going through the actors,
I did not know. Maybe we already knew this. I
feel like I had forgotten then if the fact that
Tawny Newsome is is from Vackaville, like she was, she
(52:10):
was born there, and so I kind of want to
look in my like high school yearbook because she's like
born the same year as me. I'm like, did we
go to the same high school now? Or do you
go to the other high school? Because that would have
been hilarious. But I feel like if she did go
to my high school, I would have remembered because I
was about it seems like a presence. Yeah, yes, putting
(52:35):
her Wikipedia. Guys, you know she was in Space Force
the series. I did not know she was. I haven't
seen Space Force. I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
I watched literally just watched it for her.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Honestly, Well, we'll get more of her, right, she'll be
she's doing theoretically hypothetical news.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
Show untitled Show five or whatever, the untitled Star Trek Office.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
At the very least, we might probably get her writing.
I know, actually wrote some of the early episodes for
the new show coming out.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
First Academy, Oh for Academy. Yeah. Well, and we can't
call the new show legacy because it's already been used
for a video game, thanks developers.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
But no, Yeah, I think Lower Decks was a great thing.
I can't rememb remember where it fell into the order.
It was Discovery, then it was Lower.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
Oh like when it came out, I think we got
the cart.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
I don't remember, but anyway, it was I think it
was a sort of breath of fresh air, you know,
because because I can't remember if it came before after Picard,
but it was sort of like you know, serious shows,
which is fine, nothing wrong with the serious shows, but
it's sort of like with some air out, like are
we just gonna be like, you know, premiere drama now
(53:53):
in Star Trek because a little bit of you know comedys.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
So so Lower Decks was October of twenty twenty, and
Picard season one was January of twenty twenty, so it
was right after it was the third yeah, the third show.
So yeah, Discovery, Picard and then Lower Decks.
Speaker 3 (54:14):
So really consistent. Honestly, we got five seasons in time
five years.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Right, Yeah, I mean it was very and ten full
episodes every single time, no mid season breaks. I'm looking
at you, uh, Project Discovery. But no, it's a good
it's a good show. It will be missed.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
And speaking of I don't I don't know how transition
to this.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Finally, speaking of penultimate episodes.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yes, so it's a it's a time to end this
animated journey as well with us three. So I don't know, Darren,
you ran the numbers, what are the numbers?
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah, so this isn't necessarily counting you know, our Bird
of Prey episodes, Yeah, our episodes where we were crossing
over into other shows, but counting Earl Gray and SETI
Alpha three with our last episode being next week, will
(55:26):
have done five hundred and ten episodes since we began
in twenty thirteen, all those years ago, and you guys
look the same, no change. So actually I think you
had hair, Daniel I did.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
I didn't know who he's going to go to with it, But.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yes, it's been an amazing over a decade and hundreds
of episodes. We just wanted to beat, you know, more
episodes th TNG, It's all we wanted and we beat
that in spades. But yeah, it's been a great time.
I'm podcasting and we'll have a lot more to say
as we wrap everything up with No Multiverse. Daniel I
(56:07):
promised next week with our final episode.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
I had like a five minutes about Parallel.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
So fine, we have the time to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
All right.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
But we thank you are our listeners, and we will
see you. We'll see you all next week on City
Alpha three.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
I'm full of Gilphis.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
I'm Daniel Proof, and I'm Darren Moser. Stranded here on
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