356 - Second Star to the Right

So Long and Thanks for All the Fish

It's been a long road, starting from 2016, with the first episode of Ceti Alpha 3. The trio now find a way to escape from being stranded on their planet and their endless discussion of all things Star Trek.

Join the discussion as they look back at previous discussions, from what if Thomas Riker was in season seven of 'The Next Generation'? to writing their own new series starring Starfleet admirals playing space golf. Darren, Daniel, and Phillip also look to the Star Trek future, their podcast journey through the Kurtzman Era of series, and how fun it is to always talk Trek.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the nerd Party.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Darren Moser, I'm Philip Gilphis, I'm Daniel Prue, and.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is City Alpha three. Hello, and welcome to City Off,
a three of Star Trek podcast here on the nerd
Party network. I am Darren Moser and I am joined by
my fellows strandies, Philip and Daniel. Guys, have we gotten

(00:34):
that life pod fixed yet? It's been It's been a
couple of cycles.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I think it's kind of like Lower Decks. It was
more of a group project. We actually could have finished
it the first day, but.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
The joy we found along the way is the real treasure,
not the escape, but actually what we learned about ourselves
and each other.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Or maybe it's more like a Delta player thing where
we get it all put together, we're like, nah, that's
not right. Let's just start again, cur from scratch, just
take it all.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm just saying, the joystick is a cool thing to have.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
What do they call it? Manual assault boat or something.
I forget what he said when he activated it, and
then the pillar came up and we're like, what what
is happening? Riker? What you have no beard? You're grabbing
joysticks what's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Trying to impress, impress, trills, helmswomen.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, it's like you just basically got serious again with
Troy like five seconds ago.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
But well, all data space looking like a butt. You know,
all of these things.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Look, we're not gonna talk about them. We're not gonna
talk about insurrection. It's okay, that's enough. That's enough insurrection
for one day. I thought it was going to be
like The Defiant, where we got it done and then
it gets destroyed. We have to rename the second show
the same as the first show.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, I mean, this podcast is very overpowered.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Three hosts. Who needs three hosts? We could get away
with two, even one at times if we need to.
But yes, but this ladies and gentlemen are wonderful listeners.
On the Nerd Party is our final episode of City
Off of three. It's been quite a journey that we're

(02:21):
going to take you on an episode by episode discussion
of all of our past. No, no, just kidding, you're.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Not three hundred and fifty.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
You know we're not. We're not. We talk really fast
five on each Oh I was gonna say one, but
she's maybe thirty seconds. No, No, like all good things
did there we're going to skim let me sum up,
there's no, there's not enough time, but yeah, it was funny.

(02:52):
I know some of us have re listened to some
of our maybe not all of our podcasts, but a
few of the episodes kind of leading up to this week.
And I don't know if many of you listeners know.
Podcasters don't usually re listen to their own episodes even
when they air, because we've already just heard it. We've
just said it. We don't need to hear ourselves unless

(03:13):
it's really good or really funny. But there are definitely
some that I like to return to. Maybe it's because
I'm feeling nostalgic, or maybe it's been a rough week
and I want to laugh because I know that it's
going to make me laugh because it was just so
dang funny. Hopefully not for negative reasons.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
But and you want to know if the pods are
just for the human personnel, Yes, I want to know,
or just for dolphins.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Oh yeah we can. It's so like I said, we're
gonna be talking about City Off at three, but also
a bit about Earl Gray, which was our first show
from way back in September of twenty thirteen, guys, I
mean Disco was hot and no, no, it was. It
was a long time, but we started.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
In color then. I don't even remember, well, it.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Was during the dark times between like the Enterprise was
done for like almost ten years at that point, and
we were still a couple of years away from Discovery.
I don't think Discovery had even been announced by then,
So we were.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
In beyond territory.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Were we even there yet?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Because I feel like, oh, into Darkness? Were we?

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Into Darkness was twelve great, So this is like right around.
So I was going to ask this question just because
you sparked my interest there and I don't want to
throw us too far off.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
No, no, go for it.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Do you remember like your your state of fandom or
like like your mindset? Do you remember? Do you guys
remember what motivated you to like be to start podcasting
about Star Trek, because like it.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Was Beyond was July of twenty sixteen, so beyond it
happened before we started City off of three and then
so we started say d F three with like no
new shows had it? Hey you have been announce But
so your question, Daniel, was what was my state of
Star Trek. Yeah, well, you know, if you listen to

(05:13):
a little Anxiety relationship, we talk about that, Daniel, we
talk about But no, I think I was. I think
it's what drew me to Earl Gray and the concept
of Earl Gray was. I think we all agreed that
Next Year was our favorite show, and so talking about
that and just the same. I won't speak for you,

(05:35):
but for me, it was finding friends, even if it
was kind of a blind date, a you know, pre
signed marriage from Chris type of situation. But yeah, it
was like, hey, here's the thing I really enjoy enjoy,
but I don't have close geographically trek friends to talk about.

(05:58):
So yeah, so that was what was interesting. Was barely
far away, so you know, this thing called the Internet
made it all possible. But yeah, I remember, you know,
I can't even remember if I was hoping for new shows.
I think we were just kind of writing the the movies,

(06:20):
like we had had the Kelvin verse, like the three
and it was kind of obvious that that was kind
of going to be it for a while or no,
actually sorry, and by the beginning of then, I don't
think we had had beyond yet, so we were really from.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Going at least four movies.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, oh yeah, four movies. Why would it not be
four movies? But yeah, I remember, and then just I
think that was the big thing though, is streaming was
was really becoming good thing. So it's easier to like
watch all of Nection or start an episode really easily.
You didn't have to, you know, dust off your VHS

(06:57):
tapes or even your.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
When Star Trek was a Netflix.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Oh yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Trusty Netflix never had to worry about anything coming.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I mean, why where else would Paramount put it or CBS.
There's there's nothing else out there. Oh, Van, you're right,
there was pre streaming, the streaming I remember, before the
streaming wars began.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I served in the streaming Wolves.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
But yeah, but it was fun, you know, man. All
of those D and D actors were about thirteen years
younger and go into more cons and more of them
were alive, So it was it was an interesting time.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
What about you, Daniel, what was your sort of into
darkness beyond study play?

Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's just so funny to like, I mean, because you know,
obviously doing a little bit of reflecting on this. Twenty
thirteen is a very different time than now is. You
know what I mean, like obviously not just like like
podcast why is Star Trek wise? But personally, of course,
you know, in a very different place. I was still
back home at the time. You had hair, yeah, yeah,

(08:07):
a few pounds lighter, you know, a few wrinkles less,
you know, you know, all that sort of stuff. It's
just it's just really and like I remember, like I
was so I mean I was nine. Really that kickstarted
for me. But like even going into an artists and stuff.
But I was just like listening to all the Star
Trek podcasts I could, and I was like, man, I
really want to like participate in it, and actually, you know,

(08:29):
help produce something and actually, you know, be in something.
And the valleys and peaks that we've seen since then
and in terms of like Star Trek content is is interesting.
And it definitely feels like now we're heading into a
more uh you know, more of a valley for sure.
But it's just just to think back on thirteen years

(08:51):
of time is pretty wild.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, because I think for me, oddly, you know, ironically,
perhaps it was into darkness that got me re engaged
back into Trek fandom.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
If it did that, it's worth it. It's all worth worth.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
It that spock yelling con was always.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I mean I always had my personal fandom, don't get
me wrong, But as far as seeking out others, I
think that's when I sort of I don't know if
i'd listened to Trek podcasts before, if I'm gonna be honest,
but if I hadn't, I did it more so, and
I think that's really got me involved.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
And what's your user you start to listen to?

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, but yeah, and because I think especially when we
made the move from Earl Gray just TNG to SETI
Alpha to all of Star Trek. Of course we always
referenced all of Star Trek, but you know, not having
to come up with a GG.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
They were the shows that must not be named. If
it's not we don't speak of it.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
We were like what Wharf was only in one show?

Speaker 1 (09:58):
We all know that he wore gold Day and that's
what he well maybe no red, no, never mind, but
I think.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
A pre Kurtzman era Star Trek, I mean, there was
still plenty to talk about, you know. It's it's it
wasn't like we were like killing ourselves for topics, because
I mean, you know, it's been more than that. But
with just fifty years of Star Trek. It's more than that.
But when we started, you know that you could there
was enough to I mean I don't think i'd even

(10:30):
watched all of the animated series at that time, and
you know there was always you know, you.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Could do that in afternoon, Philip, I mean that's not Yeah, no, I.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Would have an excuse to not watch the all of it,
for sure.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Definitely, I don't have I didn't have that much cereal
at the time. But I think with even the SETI
alpha doing this all of Star Trek and then once
you start adding shows. But I think to answer your question,
it would have been odd if you had told me
in like twenty fourteen, fifteen, by the way, there's gonna
be I can't even remember six. There's gonna be five

(11:04):
Star Trek shows in the next five.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Years, right right, Oh yeah, none of us could have seen.
I mean we all hoped that there be. We even
have episodes where we like pitched our ideas for you know,
new shows before like yet like you said, before the
Kurtzman era. Yeah, but it now we're looking back on
it and it's kind of the we're at the other

(11:27):
end of.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
The spectrum along road.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, there's still active shows going on, but it's not.
It's kind of feels like it's peaked. There's one yeah,
well there's one. There's one active show, and there's one
in development, and there's a movie. So it's like it's
not dead, but it's you know, well, no, no, I'm not
saying that, but I'm just saying it's winding down from

(11:51):
zero to this peak to right. Well, it's just the
same thing in the nineties, like there was no Star
Trek for decades after or the the movies, but no
television and then boom, like nineties Trek was like, oh
my gosh, there's so much Trek. They're overlapping. There's two
shows on at the same time. What do we do.

(12:11):
We can't cross over.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
We never mentioned anything between the two of them.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, I know, gosh, what a they had it. They
had it all right there they could have I mean,
maybe not Voyager, that's a little harder to do. But
that was their own fault.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
In the In the pilot, I say, Commander Riker showed up.
I don't know what you're not.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
I mean, it wasn't a bad It's funny thinking of
it now, like where should Voyager launch from. Uh, maybe
the giant station model that we spent so much on,
maybe we put it there.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
I don't know what if we just flip over the
space dock, it could be.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
That, Oh gosh, yeah, the Earth Space Talks upside down.
No one will notice it's the same model, just.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
It's out those fifty five.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, totally different. Well yeah, well, and I was looking
through some of our Citi alphas. Uh, what were some
of them? Oh? Man, I loved h it. Just again
I was like, how did we come up with topics
at the beginning, because again we were all kind of
shooting things around and it was all very different, very

(13:19):
different time because again we had just come from our
very TNG focused show. So you're talking about like starfleet uniforms.
You know, we're talking about two vix. We could talk
about two vix guys. You could do a whole episode
or three on tuoe X if we wanted to. But
I always liked when we kind of came up with,

(13:41):
you know, just different concepts or or you know, kind
of shooting from the hip writer's room. And I think
our first my first favorite one was uh it was
a forty one and forty two where we did the
after credit scenes for all the movies and cause and
I think didn't. Wasn't it like General Chang was like

(14:03):
a thread, like it was leading up to him showing
up in Star Trek six, like he was the Klingon
pulling all the strings. Even from the motion picture. He
was the Thanos of nineteen eighty something. In Claw you did, well, yeah,
it's like it's shadow all you see the three rivets
in the shadow, you know? Yeah, that was that was funny.

(14:26):
And just again, I don't know why Star Trek shows
or movies don't have after credit scenes. Why not everyone
loves after credit scenes?

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I mean, am I the only one who as the
movie ends and the credits come on, is pulling out
my phone googling.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
There do I need to stay? Yes or no?

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Does Into Darkness have an after credit scene?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
None of them did?

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Maybe mid remember I thought it had a mid credit maybe.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, like something about the pods and it was like
a thing and.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Then you see it, like you see someone else wake
up in the pod or something like that.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Shaking his head.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Only there was an internet to look for. But yeah,
and then it is there. It could be another pod
person or we see him back in the pod and
it's like he didn't die, he was put back or
certainly not.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
I thought I remember something about the pods maybe up
at the very end.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, now we have to do the oh never mind. Well,
as far as topics, not that they're random, but one
that that I think maybe sometimes we get surprised by
We're like, Okay, we'll do this topic and is it
a five minute discussion? Isn't it an hour?

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Right? Right?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
And one that turns out to be two episodes long
was our what if Thomas Reiker was in season seven?

Speaker 1 (15:43):
I love all that one? Yes, Yes, that was episode
two hundred and fifty one and fifty two where we thought,
oh we could we could talk about this in a show. Nope,
we need two parts, like we had to call it. Yeah.
Well that was right after after Daniel did an episode
on Thomas's second chance, like we talked about second chances.

(16:06):
And I think that got us all because that would
happen often too, where we would have a topic and
a little subtopic would kind of emerge and we'd be like, oh,
save it, save it for its own episode because it's
so good, and yeah, two episodes talking about Tom I
need to listen to that one again because we went deep,
like we changed a lot of things in season seven,

(16:26):
Like there's a lot of things off the.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Top of my head, and I haven't watched it in
a second. I'll get to it eventually. Season seven not,
you know, the greatest season of all time, you know,
but so I can't think of like, oh, there's going
to be all these changing episodes of like you know,
Data finds his mom, but apparently we got two episodes
out of it.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
You know.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Honestly, some of my favorite times are those like creative
like speculation episodes or making our own season episodes or
making our own like I really enjoyed the creativity that
came with those types of stuff like alternate universe episodes
or what would have happened of this person came back.
I always really thought those were fun to do.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Well.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Short tricks, Yeah, well there was one I was looking
at uh at Earl Gray and it was called ensigns
E S I G N S TNG Fan Series film,
And I'm like, is that like basically lower decks in
like twenty sixteen? But well, the one Daniel that you

(17:27):
came up with and used a bunch was I or
did you come up with her? Did I come up? No? No,
you Philip did? Actually no, Daniel gosh, I gotta it
was one of one of us? Did it was one
of three?

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Three? Or three or three?

Speaker 1 (17:42):
No? No, you you started it, Daniel. It was in
episode eighty three, Uh is it that Bad? And you
took us through and you picked an episode from every
series at the time at the time of recording. So
we had Spock's brain move along Home from UH nine,

(18:06):
from DS nine, Threshold from Voyager. These are the voyages
from Yeah, from uh do you think we revisited later? Uh?
And then I think we we realized, oh we skipped TG.
So we went to sub Rosa UH and and man,
our poor listeners because we are on a we were

(18:26):
roughly on a three uh week cycle where each one
of us would come up with the topics. So those
were every three weeks. So our listeners who wanted more
had to wait through you know, Emergency Holograms and Gamma
Quadrant series, you know, boring stuff they wanted to talk about.
Is It that Bad?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Is Code of Honor?

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Oh? We I think we got to that. So we
had we had Star Trek five, so we did the movie, uh,
and then start Trek into Darkness. We did the you know,
the Kelvin verse. We hit all the the big franchise blocks,
but I think we went back around. We did the
motion picture. Philip had that episode one three Decker's Vacated Quarters,

(19:10):
and then I did I did another round. I'm trying
to remember why. I think I just wanted to. I
just like the format, so I was like, let's do
this again. It's been another one hundred episodes. Uh. So
in episode two oh six we did TS the Savage
Curtain TNG, the Last Outpost DS nine, the storyteller.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Turns out Last out Post. That's a world builder man man.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Although that was twenty twenty one, so would that have
been that would have been before the game at least
all right, So we had story Tailor, Voyager, Spirit Folk,
and Enterprise Unexpected and I think, oh yeah, And then
we did do Code of Honor in episode three eleven.

(20:00):
So we've done about a dozen of of is it
that bad? And that was always a fun type of
type of topic, like just you know, really giving it
a and some yeah, we're really really bad, and some
like I remember the first one with Spock's brain and
we all kind of like changed our minds on it.

(20:23):
We're like, this is actually not terrible, it just it
needs I think we added a tiny bit to the
plot and it was ten times better. I don't remember
what we added, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
And it wasn't that dramatic. It was just like one
little thing.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
It was some very very tiny and.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Mind It was also interesting to see as new New
Trek and I don't know if you would call that
Christian treatment. Yeah, weird it New Trek is the movies,
so I mean we call whatever we want, but christmin Trek.

(21:04):
We did episode by episode reviews, so it was kind
of funny to give me like Disco episode one and
Picard season one, and uh, we.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Did all of Discovery right every No.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
We did well, it's interesting how I could I looked
at it and memorize it. But like, I think we
did the first two seasons of Disco.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
We did the first two, then we did Picard season one?

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Did we and we stopped after that? Right?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Did we don't think? Well, let's see we did. No,
I'm looking right now, so we had we had Lower
Deck season one.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
As far as episode by episode, there were times that
we would be like generically, how's the season going.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
We did Discovery season three all of season three, and
then we did Lower Decks two and then Picard season three,
so we skipped Picard season two and and anything after Discovery.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Did we just time travel and do it?

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yes? We uh we did so we we did a
good We did what we wanted because it's our show.
We could do whatever we want. We didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
We didn't do strange New World's episode by an episode.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah, even though we all like it.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
I think that might have been one where we did
like a first five you know, we talked about you know,
things like that. Yeah, like Lower Deck, I should market here, Yeah,
Lower Decks like season five one through four we did,
and then we did like the second We liked the
first and the second half.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
How far apart are Prodigy episodes? Like a year?

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Sheez? It was a long time, Philip, A.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Long time, But we saved it, right, did we save it?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
I don't, No, I don't.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
I wouldn't hold your breath, Philip.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Okay, Well, one.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Of the other ones I listened to just a little
bit of it last night is our two hundredth episode.
Because I'm like, what did we do for two hundred.
It was so long ago, guys, it was like over
one hundred episodes ago. And that was our Star Trek
Holiday special where we each pitched a different holiday and
and mine was a kling On Christmas with ks and

(23:12):
it was uh and you were just Philip, you were
besides yourself, going wait, wait, wait, so Star Trek four,
the most popular Star Trek movie, is out, but the
executives were like, no, no, no, we need more of
Star Trek three. Bring that Klingon captain back. And I'm like, yes,
that's exactly what the executives would do. And they were

(23:34):
just you know, using the whatever sets they had available,
decorating the cargo bay. All the Klingon spoken Klingon with
no subtitles or this. They had subtitles, but they were
in Klingon. It was gloriously terrible. But we you know,
we we learned. You know, Kirk had an open shirt

(23:55):
that said happy Honukah, and but it was day. It
was cool. And then you guys came up with I
think like it was like a telethon and another Christmas special.
So that was a that was a fun one. I
always liked. Again, like you said, our crazy ideas that
would never actually happen, god forbid, like a good short trick.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
And this is only top of head. Is when we were,
I guess, pitching a new series and it was it's
just not the name of it, but the Star Trek Admirals,
and we came up with the it wasn't golf, space golf,
but it was close to that where most of the
action was going to happen with the admirals at the

(24:39):
space golf course.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Was on the Moon or something?

Speaker 2 (24:43):
I feel like I think it was on the Moon.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
I think it was. Yeah, No, I remember, I have
to find which episode that was, because yeah, I remember
we did. Because again we we've talked a lot about badmirals.
You we've talked about you know, all sorts of just

(25:05):
different aspects that pop out in not just TG, but
in Star Trek in general. Yeah. I also listed the
Thomas Riker season seven two part I'm like, man, we
had lots of say about that, and then I always enjoyed.
I mean, I more like I subjugated you guys to

(25:26):
my Let's take an entire season four, always season four
for some reason, season and whittle it down to ten episode.
Let's give it the lower decks treatment of we don't
have time for character developed, We don't have time for
these flack episodes of you know, exploring in Discovery. We
need to hone it to all the gems, and somehow

(25:48):
we magically picked the ten best episodes. So that was
for DS nine, TNG and Voyager all season four, taking
like twenty six episodes down to ten, which sometimes was
harder than we thought and sometimes was blatantly easy because
it was very obvious which ones were the cream of
the crop.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
I'd be it'd be interesting. I mean, we're not gonna
do this, but it'd be interesting to do like a
bar bar graph or pigraph of series that we talked about,
Like how much did we talk about, oh series. That's
a good question, because What's something I was writing down
was this is not necessarily about us per se, but

(26:29):
you know, sort of Star Trek fandom thinking about it
during the time we've been podcasting. One of the things
I wrote down was Enterprise still the forgotten series, because
I think you know, in the two thousand, well, in
the twenty tens even then, you know, it was almost
like Enterprises almost like the motion picture, like it'd be

(26:50):
rediscovered every five to ten years, you know, I mean
you see which you know, I'm not trying to slag
off it, but like you'd see like people suddenly like
posting like, oh, Enterprise just found out about this, and
then I think even now in twenty twenties, it's still
like you would go like tng DS nine, maybe Disco,
maybe lower decks, like people would probably not talk about
Enterprise till like the eight series. And like I said,

(27:13):
I'm not trying to dog on it anything, but like
I think it still remains the forgotten series and a
lot of respects.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, it's definitely one where people there's a lot of
people who didn't give it a shake when it first
came out, and yeah, those some of those people are
rediscovering it and going, oh, this is actually not that bad.
Although I did just see an article that listed like
all Trek series in order of greatness. I'm like, oh,

(27:41):
it's gonna be terrible, and they had Enterprise very low
and they're like this, you know, show never figure out
where it was going. And I'm like, Okay, I don't
know what the point of this article is, so I
stopped reading. But hey, we got Joline in uh yeah,
there's a whole new crime Who's gonna be like, Hey,
who's this vulcan I need? Is there? There's a whole

(28:04):
show about her that's amazing. Oh there's no caras on Okay,
well maybe it's not that.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
And they had the uniforms in Lower Decks.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Oh lots even in Strangey Worlds. Likely there's the episode,
well it's the Lower Decks crossover where they talk about
the the piece of the Enterprise, the NXO one and
all the Strange of World's crew like geeking out over
the nx one because for them, that's like all the
original Enterprise, you know. So yeah, it I think they've

(28:39):
been trying to give Enterprise it's fair shake in callbacks
and stuff since then, and I'm glad for that because
it was a good show that I enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I mean, there is still and you know, we we've
written or pitch shows for it. But I think there's
still two lost eras of the trick timeline. Well, I
mean I suppose now you would include like between you know,
Discovery jumps, so you have like a thousand years but
not counting that, but you still have sort of the

(29:13):
early to mid twenty fourth century, which I don't know.
Maybe we'll get that section thirty one, and then you
have sort of that era that we talked about with
sort of the post enterprise pre and I know we
keep making prequels, so we'll say pre Discovery.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
But feels very full.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
But you still won't have like a Columbia series or
you know, when was the first you know, Da da day?
You could still do something between that one hundred years
or eighty years or something back still cooking around. Yeah,
and we did pitch Archer as a series.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Yeah, let's get a President Archer show.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, I think he was Councilman Archer in our series.
Wasn't hepening for president?

Speaker 3 (29:56):
It was something like that.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, it was kind of a West Wings style. Maybe
it's like you're seeing his campaign that would have been
Oh if only we could re listen to that, Yeah,
we could. What do you think, Daniel? What was some
of your you know? And it can be a specific
episode or just in gener and it can also be

(30:18):
you know, Gray, there's still a few I want to
call out.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Well, I'm going to actually bring up and I don't
know if this was I don't remember episode. Well, I'm
sure we talked about it though, but I just wanted
to bring up the anniversary where we actually got to
all hang out together in real life in Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yes fifty yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
I'm one thousand percent sure. We did a show.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
We did, so that was the very end of Earl Gray.
We did Captain Proton's Revenge and we recorded a live
Captain Proton Elementary Dear Data rewrite as we were all.
I remember we put the microphone on a pillow in
the middle of a table. We all sat around it
and hoped it recorded because we have it was.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Sort of the enterprise d conference level length tables.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah, or I think it was, was it or I
remember it being round It was. It felt more like
we were at the poker table, but it was glass,
so we're all like not touching it to cause vibrations,
and it was a very interesting dynamic. I think I
had mentioned to you guys when I first met you
or any of us podcasters in real life, there's kind

(31:28):
of a weird I call it like podcast voice, where
you know there's a disjoining where you're like, oh my gosh,
that sound is coming out of that person that's right
in front, Like it's really surreal for like a couple
hours and then it fades. But it's just it's it's
like someone walked up and they open their mouth and

(31:48):
it's like a speaker, and it's you have this disconnect
between what you're hearing and what you're seeing because you're like,
oh my gosh, we're in real life.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Well, I think part of that is too, is like,
obviously you're just used to hearing this person over speakers,
which there is kind of.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
A weird distortion there, that's true.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
But also people generally don't talk. They talk a little
bit different in real life than they would like on
this sort of format. So it's I think there's a
couple of elements of that.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I don't know what you're talking about, Daniel, I always
talk like this when in real life. Just put a
little bit of smoothness in the good old voice and
everyone will talk to me after this.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yep. Previously on City.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, but yeah, that was that was a lot of fun.
It was. It took took us all going to Vegas,
you know, and we think we had some in and
out who drove the strip. Got some great pictures with
the borg alcoves. Uh. The important part, Okay, some of
us were wearing clean challenge, yes, Starry try to interact.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
The VCR board.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Game that was who was I think trist did tristed
win that I can't remember who won, but that was
and the party that they kept shutting down because we
were we were too.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Loud, and later was Star Trek seen it?

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, Star Trek seen it. We had our our uh
super Bridge mates or Lie panel panel show and one
of us I won't say who walked around at us
a Star Wars costume for an afternoon and people love
pictures of.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
That, and little did you know you would be encountering
our two D two eyes.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Oh gosh, that was so funny.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
That was the funniest thing because people kept saying Rtdt's
over there. We're kind of like, ah, very fun.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, sure, Oh you're not lying, You're
not lying.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
He's really there.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah. Oh gosh. I think because the one I was
trying to think back to, oh gosh, that would have
been twenty sixteen, and I've tried to think if because
now I've been to a lot more conventions and things
like that, is there anything I wish I had done
in that convention, like autographs I would have gotten man
were probably a lot cheaper back in twenty sixteen, because

(34:03):
the only one I got was Robert O'Reilly signing my
interactive VCR board game and Klingon Challenge Box, which is
still amazing. But I don't remember if because we went
to a couple of the panels. I remember I did.
At least we went to Whoope Goldberg.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Well, I mean I think we all went. I can't
remember if it was. Yeah, well the who Whoopoe Goldberg
and that was her first panel.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
And I love how they had the cargo bay door
insert in the back that opened up and people would
come out and yeah, no, it was it was a good.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Time and it was going to the I don't know
what to call it. So no insult meant but the
B class room, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Not the main hall. Not the main hall.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, where they But you would have all the celebrities,
which I mean, look, all Star Trek celebrities are eight
to me. But I mean you'd be like, oh, there's
who was played right Commander Shelby, or there's who played
Admiral A Nice there's you know, and then that's true.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
And back then, if you were in that list, like
you had no line. You could just walk up and
strike up a conversation and it didn't necessarily ask you
to buy something. Like it was a different time like nowadays,
Like you couldn't even get into that hall unless you
showed a ticket showing you had bought, you know, but
a photo or an autograph or something.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
It was pretty all the news stuff too. So yeah,
Star Trek was kind of like probably at like a
low point in terms of popularity. So yeah, it was
not there was not like all that sort of restriction
restrictions there we had. It was a great time. I
mean that was twenty sixteen, and then I think it
was later this summer was when Discovery got announced for
the first time. I think.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I think so, yeah, because I saw we had an
episode where we talked about the Discovery trailer, so that
would have been a now and to.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Listen to that. Yeah, guys, guys, I'm so excited about I.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Will say I always hated the ship.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
It was not like I'm trying to remember if they
announced it at Star Trek Las Vegas, we.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Would have remembered that, Yeah, like we would have been there,
and we weren't.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
And it was the was it the year after that
they announced that Patrick Stewart showed up for PICA.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
I think that was the year after that, because he
wasn't there then either, so.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
But yeah, and of course, Daniel, not to leave you out.
Then there was a subsequent time when I was in
LA for a Doctor Who convention and uh, Darren visited
and Doctor Trek Larry Nemachek happened to be presenting. Oh
that's right con So what ended up happening is, of
course Darren and Larry ended up in my hotel room

(36:44):
course with my wife Jessica. But we were basically doing
an almost you know, not recording, but basically did like
a two hour long Star Trek podcast, you know, at
one am, and.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
We were just about it.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, Darren, Larry and me and I remember this goes
out because it's.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
A lot episode. So you know, I think I had
for you, Daniel. Was I lenting not getting to go
to the Star Trek Discovery like kickoff event because I
was like too far back in line because I remember
waiting in line for that and then not getting in
because it got closed off before I got in, and

(37:21):
I was a lot of people were upset that day
but yeah, no, no, Well, and then I almost visited
Daniel just this last year when I was relatively close
to you in the DC Metroplex. But you know, we
have the internet.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Visited Daniel.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
But that's right, that's right. You make it so hard, Philip.
Now we got to go to go to the UK.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
I met with you, Yeah, Daniel at his home.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
You're not wrong, Philip, You're not wrong.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
I can't help that you're divorced and I have to
do the separate visit. Equal time, stay together.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Just equal time is all I asked for. You know.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Another thing that sticks out to me, though, is when
we got to interview.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Marina Yes and her burrito cooking ways. Yes, Uh, I remember.
I remember it was like we heard the little like
I texted you and I'm like, is that is that
her Michael wave going on in the record. I mean, hey, whatever,
we are not a tier podcasters, so if she she's

(38:32):
even on the show, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
I believe I actually did I have to. I hope
I wasn't bad about it, but I did, uh not
to confront her, but I did, uh folster my opinion
on her about Riker and Troy not working in real life,
so I gotta get her.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
She's like, yeah, I've heard it all. Yeah, you're great. Great,
I can't hear you over yeah, but oh yeah, I'm
trying to think. Did we have anyone else besides her?
I remember we had. I feel like I feel like

(39:10):
we had one or two other stars. They were not like,
you know, top tier.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
But the only other people that come to mind are
some other randoms that.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Is not trying of those randoms, you know.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, but you brought in your friend Darren and we
talked creating a Star Trek escape room.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Oh yeah, my friend Zach Levoy who had worked at
escape rooms, and that one was really fun where we're like,
oh man, we should take this on the road to
Star Trek Las Vegas and share it. It was. It
was very meta because it was like you were in
the holidayck and so you could actually access the panel
and like move isolinear chips and access like command override

(39:51):
or something like that. Oh that'd be that'd be a
lot of fun. Yeah, that's true. We would bring in
occasional guests in general, but it was very rare. It
was we already got three people. Yeah, but we don't
need a force once.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
You're straight out of the planet. It's like, Killy, you
didn't have like the Harlem Globe trotters.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
And you know, I was gonna say earlier on we
did definitely did lots and lots and lots of you know,
sort of crossover stuff with other shows.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Oh, that's true.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
So plenty of friends that we made along the way,
like you obviously just mentioned Tristan and Vegas and stuff
like that, and how many people we saw there, and
just over the years, lots and lots of people, lots
of other podcasters, lots of people that we got to
chat with and have conversations with and become friends with,
all talking Star treks.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
That's true. We had a guest column in our spadsheet
for Earl Gray and yeah, oh yeah. Our first guest
was Houston Huddlesons aged well.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Man, Oh well, that was darren'sdding.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
I'm kidding well, And it was about the new Starship,
which was like the bridge restoration. Oh yeah, guys, that's
the whole thing. It so fell apart. It's just you guys.
Did you guys hear what happened to like the the
museum that it tried to change into It basically set up.
It tried to set up for a moment and then
they had their opening, but it was all outside because

(41:20):
they couldn't get permission to be inside their building, and
then it all fell apart, like the people who own
the building side to sell it. It was just the
more I stayed away from that, the more happier I was.
I'm like, let's just I don't want to touch that scheme.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Of TA and we don't have to say the word
But it's not the worst Star Trek fundraising project that.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
It's true, that's true. But yeah, but you know, like
the crossovers when we were on Earl Gray, I like
the fact that we we tried to cross over a
lot with our other sister shows about Trek, so we
had the Standard Orbit crew on.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
So you're saying GG was not the only thing we've
been talking about.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Well, you know it was. It was Oh man, I
forget those those ad reads we had to do at
the some other Yeah. Yeah, we had Standard Orbit talked
to talk about generations. We had to the Journey crew
uh to talk about Q.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Well, those are the interesting ones where we would do
like generations and we would go on the T A
S Show talk right, US side and then bring on
the TS folks to talk the TG side. And then
we did the same thing with Wharf where we did
Wharf with the d S nine people on TG and.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Then yes Warf on the ORB. Yeah, we did. We
talked with Larry about uh TG casting and he told
us some good stories. We had Andy on quite a
few times, uh pre.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Pre woman at Warp and Woman war I think it
was when she was still just just when she was
just first time trek on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, that's right, days of Twitter. We had shar on
a couple of times. And then of course we had
the two of the Journey crew on for Bridgemates a
couple of times for as they schooled us in our
own in our own house. Yeah, I had the crew.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
All culminated in my brain like that. All of that
crossover stuff was like when we did was it the
hundredth episode or whatever it was where.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
It was all ships are big shuttles, the E, E, G, T, N,
G RPG, Oh man many I just put under guests.
I put many hosts.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
All the credit gods to Philip right ran that thing
and that was that was.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
A beast of and kept part of its secret. You
pulled it all together.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Oh that was a lot of fun. That's a highlight
for me for sure. That was so much fun.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Oh yeah, no, that wouldn't. That was cool just with
all of the although I love that one, but there's
one episod so that gets me even more that when
we were doing the RPG, which one was it? Uh?

(44:11):
But that one I think had the best crossovers. But
for me, yeah, gotta fine Cadasis. I can't remember which
show was on, but the one where we were doing
RPG again and it was The Cardassian Sunrise and it's

(44:37):
it's during the Dominion War and Daniel, your character goes
into a bar, sits down and yeah, and basically orders
the most insensitive drink for that moment in trek history ever.
And You're like, I order a Kadassis at Sunrise and
I just I look at you too.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
He's walking into the Wrench cafe, like, can you guys
play some wagner?

Speaker 1 (45:02):
You guys? Can I have a good German beer right
now here? In Free France? That's what I really would
hit the spot. And I'm like, what are you doing?
And I think I said, like I'd have a bud
like Classic or something like that. Oh man, and I
just remember I remember it because we once we realized

(45:25):
what had happened, we like couldn't talk for like five minutes.
We were laughing so hard. Yeah, so that I will
never forget that. Faux pas Daniel or not not that,
not you your character?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
That's right, my guy?

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Oh yes, oh yeah, he was in Andorian Oh geez.
But yeah, no, there was well, oh man, there was
besides Bridgemates and things like that episode of Earl Gray
Star Trek Stream. Oh my gosh, we had Aaron Harvey on.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Probably every six months, I try to find that logo
of the cover art.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
It's so good, it's so good. I remember Aaron telling
me years later that was it Mike McMahon who did
a Lower Decks.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
It was I thought it was err or was it
Mike McMann?

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I might have been here or someone
else in connected with Lower Decks said later after the
show had started, they saw his artwork and they wished
they had done that boot style because they liked it
so much. With the Now granted, I have nothing wrong
with the boots, you know on Lower Decks, but uh yeah,

(46:43):
I just that was just we were rolling in the
nineties vibe on that one.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Cooler you know if he you know, while in the
last episode, while they're going through the.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Oh the probability Field star Trek stream pops up for
a seconds.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Is on a skateboard?

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah or uh no, it's one of the cetation options
on a skateboard, because that's true, Captain Flipper had to
be on one.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
It was so perfect because, you know, obviously having Aaron
on because with his expertise about cartoons and all that sort.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Of stuff, the were no other cartoons at the time.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
And it was just so it just turned into such
a perfect little silly episode, like just and then to
have him do that stuff because he would do that often,
like he would a lot of times back then. He
would he would make art of some of the stuff
we were talking, right, and it was always gold. It
was always good stuff. But that, I mean, that was peak.
That was like you.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
My both of my cloth bags featuring this look. I'm
not a big sport guy. But the Bridge Bank yes no, no, no,
no no, the Starboard Sharks.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Yeah yeah, and the side Panthers Sports yes yeah, port
Side Panthers Starboards. Oh yeah, what what episode was that?
Because that's the.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Bridgemates, that's that's the Internal Enterprise. Uh sports rival Rivalry.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yes, remember the episode that would have it was early
it's I think the episode is called like Starboard Sharks
Rules or something like that.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
And then then there was the like and I did
I didn't even know that the dude person was where
we stumbled upon years later the YouTube video of the
person who created the main engineering main shuttle bay of
the Enterprise d and had a one of those logos floor.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
It was the they had made it virtually and and
like as you're going around in the the show bay
and it's like right there on the floor, and we're like,
what is happening? What is going on?

Speaker 3 (48:51):
One of the most crazy moments because it's like like
that's such a deep cut for someone to not only
like listen right, but also love it enough put it
inside the ship.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Well, yeah, I'll give the episode. And then there's something
else I want to mention. So that was episode of
Rear Gray ninety three port Side Rules, Starboard Drools, And
we weren't even talking about it. We were talking about
single use sets. That was where I was like listing
all the and I think what was happening is it
was the nacelle, like the little room inside of it,
and we were like, you know, they're they're competing between

(49:24):
the port and starboard the cells. Oh man. But there
was also I don't remember her name, but there was
a lady who who cause played as a Star Trek
stream costume at Star Trek Las Vegas. And that's another
thing of like, so you listened to the show, saw
the artwork, and we're like, I want to take the
time to make that into a costume. And I remember

(49:46):
us being floored. But yeah, oh, I'd forgotten about port
side rules starboard rools. That's another gem.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Well, I think a city off of three creation was
the docking ports competition on d Space.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Nine that I'm trying to remember.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
That one the folks that lived on the different ends
of the docking courts, who I guess.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Oh yes, but the upper pylon like a B and
C And they'd be like, you know, oh yeah then
but to like compete, they'd have to go all the
way down, all the way over, and all the way
back up. Yes, upper pylon shenanigans. You don't want to
be a part of the upper Oh yes, it was

(50:34):
episode two seventy three lower pylons. It was the d
S nine Lower Decks episode, so we were We're like,
who would be the lower decks of DS nine. We're like,
the pylons are the lowest thing on on the station.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
And it actually means from a certain point of view,
aren't they the upper pylon?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
That's true, Well, tak Nor, they're the west pylon or
not sorry, not to empoch Nor. They're the west pylon
in the east, Philon at the north, in the south,
they're like, eh, what is the galactic plane? No one knows. Oh,
they'd be so funny. Yeah, And we talked a lot
about Prodigy. You know, we talked about a fifth movie.

(51:22):
Oh man, that would have been fun.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
I mean we got it's called Piccard's Season three.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Oh, that's true. That was before Picard's Season three was
a thing. Actually, it was right before we started talking.
I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
This is a sort of Star Trek future something I
wrote down, and you know, it's not for us to answer,
because it'll be people younger than us. But I wonder
as someone you know who's watching Doctor Who, the classic
Doctor Who and the Black and Whites and the Lost episodes,
but y'all are more graphically oriented than I am as
far as video and Blue Rain and all that. But
do you think, like say, DS nine and Voyager being

(51:58):
an SD will hurt future legacy when they start producing
new things, it'll be like TNG and Enterprise and maybe
Enterprise gets Discover because that's on, you know, the new formats.
But will that be harder these episodes because it looks.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
So washed out? And yeah, key and you know, I
have a pinge you have a thought on that, Daniel.
I want to give you a chance to go first.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
I was just thinking. I saw a clip somebody posted
the other day, or not even the other day. It
was probably a few weeks back now, some AI ups
yelling that they had done on called a Voyager, and
I was like, wow, that's pretty impressive. So I don't
think we're I don't think that. You know, the TNG
Blue Rays were a big deal. Then they put a
lot of money and stuff into it. I think in

(52:40):
a few years it's going to be easy enough for
them to just sort of press the HD button and
it just sort of HD addis, So we'll be fine
at that point. I don't think it's I don't think
we're gonna lose out on a voyager.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
So is it gonna be like your you're you know
the better Daniel, like your Xbox three sixty still plays
your Xbox a MS.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeahs compatible.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Yeah, I agree. I think eventually in the next five
or so years will get to a point with AI
where it can upscale and you're gonna have a huge
renaissance of like all this old stuff, or maybe even
if it's able to, like, you know, take an episode
of Little House on the Prairie or something and like
upscale it, you know, to to modern standards. Or heck,

(53:23):
I've seen it was on like TikTok or other vertical
videos where people would take small scenes and they would
use AI to make it vertical. So they would take
so the middle of the image is the actual shot,
but they would add top and bottom like generatively to

(53:44):
make the framing change. So yeah, all that to say,
I don't Yeah, it has been a limit to it.
But I think the fact that also physical media is
kind of going away, like we're companies are not selling
Blu ray players anymore, you know, so I think everything
is going to be streaming, and so that I think

(54:08):
in a way low. Well, I don't know. I was
going to say lowers the cost to transmit it, but
you also then don't get the sales to drive the
cost of the restoration, So I don't know. I agree
with Daniel though. I think eventually we will see we
have parentnology, we will have the technology to make Voyager

(54:31):
and DS nine. I think DS nine it would happen
to first. I think it has the biggest calling, it
has the most desire because we've seen it. I don't
know how they did it, I forget. I mean, I
own a Blu ray set of Babylon five, which was
not shot on film, or maybe it was. I can't

(54:52):
recall if it might have been shot on film, but
all of the special effects were definitely done on computer.
So and that's also the problem Babylon five has is
shot on film, so you could restore all the interiors.
But every single you know, shot not every single, but
many shots, especially in later seasons, are all CG. So

(55:13):
that's the the curse of CG comes back at you.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
What do you think they'll put us in HG.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Audio HD. No, just just don't touch the mic. That's
all you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah, no, yeah, you can. You can buy the c
A three complete series. We'll be out next week on
hard media. So, oh, she's twenty.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
More than that three hundred and fifty six episodes.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Philip bets, Oh, I know it's data. It's not actually yeah, oh.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
It's an MP three CD credit. I got it.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
You still all tell I have heard what were they
called zapp drives?

Speaker 1 (55:53):
That's not what oh zip drives?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Zip drive?

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Zip drives, yes, but zip drives were one hundred megabytes,
which was huge, and then you had what was it?
I remember one thing that was like a gigabyte? Was
it a gigabyte? I can't remember. Hundred megabytes was huge.
That was like many floppies. Was just a big floppy?
Is how it looked?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Well, Daniel, I mean, this is an essay question, but
here's your thirty second answer. We've done on both shows,
but especially this when we've done a lot of Star
Trek games. Oh yes, Earl Gray, we did learn there's
a function for the shift key.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Still not over that, Philip, Still not over that, Jesus.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
But what's what's your future of Star Trek gaming? Because
because I mean my thirty seconds will just be I
don't think we need a lot. I mean, like it
would be cool to have a huge game whatever that
means when I'm saying that, you know, open world whatever.
But like you know, Resurgence was not a big game

(56:57):
and it's almost like a small one shot play, but
it was still cool. So I don't but I don't
know what you from what we've.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Se rpg ish, which I think worked for it.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Yeah, I mean, I do think that it is. It
definitely feels like we're getting to like regular releases at
this point, which is nice. Like it doesn't have, like
you say, it doesn't have to be like a big
ginormous triple a open world game or anything like that.
Resurgence is kind of perfect, like in terms of scope
because you just tell that story and then and then

(57:29):
make a nice little presentation and game out of it
and you're good to go. I I will say. And
I don't know if you guys have seen these leaks
or not so spoilers if anybody cares, but there have
been rumors swirling around about a Star Trek Lego collaboration.
In fact, we've seen some plans about the Enterprise d

(57:51):
I guess, and which to me sparks in my brain.
Let's go Lego Star Trek the video game in which
you could do lots of stuff. Man, I've been waiting
for that for years.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
That's like the lower decks vibe, but for everything else.
Oh man, that's a great idea.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
It'd be amazing you could do it.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
I mean obviously picturing like you know, for card or
data running around in that little Lego Bobby action and
you know that's you're on the board cube and its
data takes off his head and swaps it with Lore
and you know he's trying to Oh man, that's gold.

(58:35):
I would love to see that. Yeah, I did see
that Lego news or rumor I guess at this point
still but fairly solid rumor, And I don't I don't
know how I feel about it. Like, obviously it's a
cool thing have it in Lego, but in a way
we've I mean we've had Lego or Bricker or whatever
it's called, Like we've had Star Trek Lego for a while,

(58:58):
So I don't really I'm trying to think of what
Lego would do to improve on that.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
It's a Lego, Darren, I know, I know, I got
tons of Lego.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
I have so much Lego and make fun of me.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
But uh, I mean, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Guess I'm just I'm concerned that So they're going to
have the Enterprise D and then I'm gonna look at
it and I'm going to look at what was made
by other companies and be like, what's really the difference,
Like you have a sauce like it's made in the
exact same way. Well, yes, I will know that difference,
but but but who's no, I'm trying not to judge

(59:35):
it before it comes out. And uh, and we'll see.
But maybe even separate saucer separation that could be kind
of cool separated Yeah. Yeah, I just saying genera, Okay,
the secondary hole is going to have a war breach boom,
and the primary hole is gonna shop. My big brother's

(59:56):
always coming in here doing generations to Enterprise.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
And then I have to be like LaForge and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
And if it's I don't care too much about the
actual set, but if it, if it leads to a
logo starter game, I will I have a very good
day that day.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
It's a good day to play. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Because one other sort of future of Star Trek thing
I wrote down was future Trek Merch and then I
wrote just ships question mark, which I don't want to
complain about the ships.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I mean that is, look how many ships we've gotten.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Yeah, I have several behind me here, which is not
I would always be like, oh, that's not my thing.
But then they made good ones and I was like, well,
I'm not not going to do it, you know, and
like that Protostar comes out, I'm gonna, you know, grab that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
I still want that Sagan class, like that's the only
one I want from the newest line.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
But like I just and I'm not pretending like one
hundred percent of everything because and also I'm not counting
like collect or stuff, like oh, here's our three hundred
dollars you know, goal of that bus that we made,
Like I buy that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
So I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
We have the new line of figures, which I haven't
heard any updates, but anyway, that's theoretically coming out about
the figures you never thought you cared about. I don't
think that line will be coming out. And then like
little stuff, which this is kind of old at this point,
but it's sort of like, okay, this came out, and
then but like the whole they had the NERF phaser
and then the Nerve Phaser rifle, which I think the

(01:01:28):
calls finally came down, probably because you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
They just have Unfortunately, they borgified the rifle and everyone's like,
how can I use this with my cadsplay?

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah, but yeah, I guess that's my uh just thought
of what the future of Star Trek Emergery, which we've
talked about several times, but it's just really because with Lego,
it just makes me think, Oh, Star Trek, Lego, I'm
glad you came around to what Star Wars did twenty
years ago. So good, congrats, congrats you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Twenty five years ago, Philip, that's been But yes, well,
you know, they just want to make money, but you
know it's a yeah, I don't. It's so interesting because you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Know, Star Wars so cash poor.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Well no, I'm just thinking I'm taking for Lego like Lego,
like it's all. It's fairly documented that the Star Wars
line in ninety nine like saved Lego like they were
in trouble. But it's so it's so different. I mean,
we talk about the difference between Star Trek and Star
Wars a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Yeah, but there's a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
But I think the real difference as far as Lego
goes is star Trek is very capital ship like big ships,
like how do you how you represent them? Whereas Star
Wars is lots of fighter ships like little ships and
and so I just yeah, huddles, yes, big big shuttles.

(01:02:52):
But oh man, a Lego runabout. Oh that would be
that would be nice. That'd be like just the right size,
that'd be like, that'd be like this size. Well, the
way you could.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Do that with Lego Runabout is because of the each
because I'm not a diehard run about person, but I
know that they're all modular in as much as sledg
like this and the antequrity looks like you just change
the top part.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Yeah, they'd probably make it in the set where you
could change the roll bar. You know. It's like this
is the real grand and this one's not. Yeah, defiant.
It's also hard because a lot of starship ships are
very curvy and not very blocky, and Legos are I
don't know, I tell you guys. They're blocky except the

(01:03:37):
one piece board ship, which.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
One it's just like the square and as like the
two things on top, it's just the board cube.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Yep, done EASi it really really far away. Fifty dollars please,
fifty please.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
I also not done that as like a gift or
you know, or you know, a little picture on the
Internet of just like mock up of the like the
one Lego block board cube two hundred dollars or something.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Well, or you could do some mix and matching. Imagine, yeah,
imagine like if you spend a little more on it,
like an Enterprise A or a movie enterprise. I guess
that you could detach the secondary and swap around then
the cells and make it a Miranda class like with

(01:04:28):
just a or we thought.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
You were going to sell them the Enterprise A, and
then you could take one piece off and then it's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
The movie refit Enterprise that guys just one extra tis yeah. Yeah.
There it's a gift with purchases the A tile to
change it from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
You either they sell the refit and like the A
tile is like is fifty bucks? Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
And then there's like little teeny uh shuttle pods to
like you can attach with one stud you know, onto
the side like here we're coming, here's the Enterprise crew crying,
you know, may take an out it. Lego could do
a really good space doc either the round one, you know,

(01:05:17):
the mushroom one, or the wrapped around light show.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
I'm also thinking like you could do I'm trying to
think like you'd have the original enterprise and then you'd
have like the conversion kit to make it the enterprise refit,
and I think it's like like the instructions would be
like eight eight eight pages or you know, twenty pages,
and then by the time you finish, you realize you
just take every part off and put a new part on.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
And it's just been they they're different, and that well
because Lego does that a lot with rebuilds and like
alternative models. Because you'd have to change out the sauce
or the deflector dish everything. You'd have to make. The
biggest change of be the pylons would now be a

(01:06:10):
different angle, and the whole and the whole warp mis
cells a very different But besides that, the rest wouldn't
really have to change.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
You take the kirk head off that one, and then
you put it on the new uniform and you got.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
A little decker figure that gets rebuilt into the upgrades.
That would be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
McCoy figure included unwillingly on on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Protest yeah, no, I'm glad we chatted a little bit
about the lego because that was kind of the most
recent news that we hadn't chatted about.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
So I mean for I mean twenty twenty five and beyond.
As we've mentioned, we have Section thirty one will come
and then we will have Strange.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
New Worlds season three.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Yeah, I'm trying thin if they've announced the date, I
don't think they have.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Maybe they have just start. Remember I'm pretty sure season three, right,
I've changed your work?

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, it's only been don't get
excited to you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
There's only so much true.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
I mean, it's been renewed till season five, right, I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Think they have renewed at least season four. They bought
it and they're selling it, selling it, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Mean, who knows who knows? Right, because we if you'd
asked us, you know, three years before most of these
things begain we never guess it. But like attempts are
being made at Star Trek Movies, you know what I
mean by a tempt team, And I don't know, but
you know, there's dates on movie release schedules. There's writers
mentioned that, there's not anything directors, but anyway, So there's

(01:07:58):
rumors of mills, so I mean, I don't know, I
guess better rumors than nothing because at least you know
it's a live property versus not being a live property.
And then of course we have this Academy show which
is building and building and building and building. I mean,
gb crazy. It's like that Titanic that been investing so
much into it hopefully better result, but anyway, So but
I mean that's twenty six if that, I mean just

(01:08:21):
the way it's going. So yeah, so not necessarily and
I'm not saying there has to be, but not necessarily
very active Star Trek stuff, which fine, Look I remember
the days one series is on the air and we
were all happy about it, so that's not a complaint.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Take it and you'll love it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
I mean ten episodes, so then it's gonna be quiet
after that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Yeah, looking through all this series and it's like, oh,
I remember the heyday of like one hundred and seventy
something episodes for a season or a series or what
if they call it in the UK Phillip. But yeah, no,
I mean I'm glad that Trek is still going and
trucking all on. But we'll see I don't know. I'm

(01:09:03):
kind of wondering since Discovery ended, you know, how long
is Academy going to go, you know, or is that
going to be kind of the finale for another span
of time. But I think Trek will always circle back around.
Paramount won't let it die, that's for sure, which is
which is good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Yes, in the you know, Paramount version two point h
or three point five or whatever they're going to be on,
we'll start, you know, theoretically whenever the sale is official.
I mean it's it's official, but it's not official official.
And because once it's official, official, official, then new leadership
will then't do whatever they want to do, like what
do we.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
What property do you have? We have Star Treks are
oh yes, cancel everything that's going on right now and
start a new show in my image. You know, it's
kind of what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I mean, it's sky Dan. So it's not like you know,
there's people that hate Star Trek or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
So yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
We will see.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Because they were they were involved in the in the movies, right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, whether because again I don't read
read the Wall Street Journal or anything, but like what
little I've seen there's I've seen headlines and re read
quick stories of it that they're investing still in Paramount Plus,
so I mean, I mean that was an open question
whether that was going to exist in three months. So

(01:10:27):
things might change, but it still seems to be like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
We've just been sold and your Paramount Plus subscription is
now twice as expensive, And yeah, wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Because they're they're bundling at least and like my UK
version and I don't know what y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Have, how it is for us, not a UK version,
that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Yeah, Well as far as like I don't know what
they bundled it with Paramount Plus, like you know, ESP,
Like I don't know, I don't know. I'm just talking
off the top of my head. That's the true time
or stars or yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
That's true. I might see some consolidation like Max and
Paramount combined or some Paramax parents like MTV and it's
still just called Max and everyone's like, why, why that
doesn't mean that anything.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Max because MTV's with Paramount. I don't know how, But
I don't know who MTV's parent company is because I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
One maybe one thing I like about one show. It's
a trash show.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
And turn Her Entertainment. That's bring a metic But.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
We my wife and I like to watch The Challenge,
which is an MTV reality show, but that's on Paramount Plus.
So you know, I can watch lower Decks and then
some trash TV show.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
As well. Make sure you get a good bundle, Fillip.
That's all that matters.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Yeah, it's an open question. I mean it's not like
because I'm like, oh I hate whatever. It's not like that,
but it's like, that's an extra six quit. I can
save a month. But like I mean, after section thirty
one comes out, I'm still I promise myself i'd finished
Discovery And.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
That's on you, Philip. You could totally do that if
you want to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
And when on top of the problem. On top of
that for me is that we just finished season where
I just finished season one, so I have to watch two, three, four.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Yeah you again, totally on you, Philip if you want.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
But to my long way of saying, I don't know
if I'll keep Paramount Plus, but of course I wouldn't
strange in a world. By the time I figured all
Strangeles are probably coming out, So.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
That's true. They have been pretty good about dripping Trek
out just enough to keep those rolling subscriptions.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
But yeah, well once that's done though, there are empty so.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
It's there for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Shorter, shorter, shorter, micro Trek.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Yeah, come in next week for the next thirty seconds
of this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Star Trek vines.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Oh jeez, vertical star Trek Vine. Okay now, no, no, all right,
Well this has been a fun trip down the memory
holidayck maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Fun three hundred and fifty six episodes, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
I think I did the math, so adding in Earl Gray,
I think we've podcasted around five hundred and ten episodes.
Oh my gosh, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
A lot, including any crossovers.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
So listeners, we're challenging you start your re listens now. No,
I'm just kidding. That's that we would we not do that.
There's a secret message if you listened to every third
episode in the very beginnings. But no, but it's been
it's been a lot of fun and a lot of
fun reminiscing. Yeah, yeah, I know we never got our

(01:13:47):
city off of three decoder rings, but that's all right. Yeah.
The coder ring is one A, two B three destruct
and if you say it the podcast ends. But yeah,
but it's been. I mean, it's been. It's been a

(01:14:07):
lot of fun. It's been fun chatting about things we enjoy,
sometimes getting feedback, sometimes finding your work integrated in video
games or cosplay. She never know what's going to happen,
but hopefully it's been fun for our listeners too, which
I know we don't have the most feedback of any

(01:14:30):
show in general, but I know there are people out
there listening and enjoying our conversations. And what crazy the
punishment is Darren gonna inflict on Philip and Daniel for
as crazy think about this? Or what game is Philip
going to try to make Darren and Daniel play, or

(01:14:51):
you know, just never know what's going to happen. But overall,
it was a lot of fun talking track and just
reminiscing on the show. That means a lot to us.
But anything that you guys would like to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Say, yeah, okay, sure, I mean, you know, it's been. Again,
it's so difficult to separate what we've done from like
just the last twelve years of existence, because they've been
so you know, in my life, so inextricably linked, and
we've had such a good time. It's been such a solid,

(01:15:27):
sort of consistent outlet and like healthy chatting outlet for fandom,
you know what I mean, Like just an awesome way
to sort of go through and enjoy this thing that
I love so much. And it's been a blast. I
mean it's every single not every not every single episode
was tng E g RPG extra avaganza. But we always

(01:15:52):
had a good time, and you know, I had such
a great experience just doing this with you guys. So yeah,
thanks to all the listeners for listening. But honestly, even
if we had zero, we were still going to come
on here and yep, yep the afternoon away either way.
So just yeah, thanks for the opportunity and it's been great.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
So I forgot to tell you we haven't actually published
any of these episodes for the last thirteen years, so
there it's called a binge drop where everybody gets to listen.
But no, that's a good point, Daniel, Like there was
always something fun every week. I was like the fact
that even though we all had different opinions like we never,

(01:16:39):
we're never angry, we never, it was never worth like
yelling at each other or it wasn't that kind of
a show where it's like we had to tear each
other down for our opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
It's like, know that Insurrections better than Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
We almost made it, Philip almost Man.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
To the Justice is a great episode Justice, get into it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
I'd forgotten about Justice and that characters playing their descendants
is the best part of Star Trek.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Yeah, and we can name every Q episode. It's not
a big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Oh man by title, not by description by title?

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
What about you, Phela, And we've watched every episode of
every series.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Oh yeah, totally complete us.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
That's yes, go ahead, ask me any question about Yeah, yeah, yes,
it's that meets Sundays usually, but the days have varied
across time to talk Trek every week or usually every
week and uh so, yeah, that's what always makes it fun.

(01:17:46):
And you know about ah, the Star Trek that we
love so much but don't take it super seriously or
or serious in our own ways that we can still
find a humor. You know, it's like Joe about your
own religion. But yeah, it's it's been fun and memorable
and covered so much that you know the fact that

(01:18:08):
we could usually come up with a topic every week
between the three of us shows, there's there was so
much ground to cover in so many places to go
in the in the franchise, there were there are.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
A few weeks or I recall looking around the room.
It's yes, we'll talk about lamp lamp today. Lamps and
Star Trek lights lighting? How does it work? The lights
also turn red for red alert?

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Who knows this topic of how Dilithian's mind and how
you get into the delithium mining business and anyway, how
they can it exist when both replicators exist our.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Trek lamps led when LEDs didn't exist in nineteen eighty seven, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
A question would you just say lamp on or is
there a switch that's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Voice commands go down? Is the entire enterprise dark? As
no one can turn on any lamps?

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Do they have emergency candles?

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
How what do you do when when the power does go?

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Oh wait?

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Do they have wax?

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Do they thinking of like starship mine? Like that's kind
of emergency lighting? You know when they turn off for
the Bari and Sweet because not pitch black, because otherwise
who couldn't see out in a card? But it's very
very dark.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Well, they're they're dark in that episode. So there's a
space station right outside with lights on.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Yeah, but we're in the corridor, Daniel, there's no there's
no window in this corridor.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
It's be like generations. There's a sun right there, right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
There, right there, even on the bridge screen, it's shining
right into my eyes. Uh, polarize the blue view screen.
Remember they did that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
The first season like twenty years ago, but somehow forgot
they could do that. But yeah, that's and then that
there's just an example. You can go anywhere with Star
Trek in more ways than one. And so yeah, we've
finished talking about it among ourselves, but obviously they'll be
more Star Trek to come and more things to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
They're they're well indeed, well, like we've all said, it's
been a pleasure both chatting amongst ourselves and also thank
you again listeners for giving us something to talk about.
Occasionally we got the gentle prod of like, hey, you
guys haven't put out an episode in a couple couple
of weeks. Are you guys still around? And we're like, oh, yes, yes, yes,

(01:20:31):
we're just Christmas vacation. But no, it's June, Darren, June
south of the Southern Hemisphere, Christmasification but no Christmas. And yeah,
I mean we joke about the times it was harder
to come up with episodes, but like you said, sometimes

(01:20:54):
the most innocuous of topics that we thought was gonna
take five minutes became an hour and spun us off
into a memorable episode that we laugh and laugh about.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
All Right, I think we're getting the hail from the
rescue vessel.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Oh the rescue vessel. Would you send it by like
radio waves like several years ago? Yeah, but yes, so
we are no longer stranded here on City Alfha three.
It's turned out there was a colony on City Alpha four.
We could have hailed at any time on our three

(01:21:35):
hour tour. But again, it has been a real pleasure
and a lot of fun talking trick with you guys
every week. So once again, I'm Darren Moser.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
I'm Philip Gilphiss, I'm Daniel Prue.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
No longer stranded here on City Alpha three. We're free