Ep. 463: Corey Lay Returns!

Scott Yager is joined by Corey Lay to talk Challenge All Stars and everything we have and haven't seen!

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
What is up, everybody?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
This is Scott Jeger here with another edition of Challenge Mania.
On this episode, we're gonna be talking about episode six
of the Challenge All Stars Season five, but a whole
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Speaker 1 (01:11):
All right, you didn't come for me? You came for D.
D's not here, but I have C here if you
came for C.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I am joined by someone who's been making waves, not
just on the show but on social media, going back
and forth with the.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Og mister Adam Larson. Give it up for mister Corey
Lay everybody, How are you moving?

Speaker 3 (01:28):
I'm good. Oh my gosh, that sounds so infamous by
that intro. It has been a little bit spicy lately
on the internet.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
How would you say do you think? Do you uh?
What would you say? Your approval rating is? Percentage wise?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I don't know. People hate me?

Speaker 1 (01:46):
You think so have no idea you get that?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Maybe I don't know. It's actually interesting. I think about
it a lot because I've done three seasons now, right,
and I feel like people just don't under stands me.
And it's fine though. I'm being myself, and I think
me being myself for some reason some people don't like that.
But there are also people who love me and enjoying me.

(02:09):
But I don't really know. I think if you look
at maybe old school fans, maybe they don't vibe with
me as much. I think maybe it's some of the
newer fans who like me. But you know, at the
end of the day, I'm Corey, have been myself since
I was born, And do.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
You think it has to do with do you think
it has to do with your original show being one
that I'll admit, like most people myself included, maybe didn't watch.
What did Adam call it recently on social media? Do
you remember what he called it?

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Something suck ass or suck Yes, there's something we.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Twelve dates suck my ass, I believe.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, yeah, say what you will about the Eye.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's a catchy title, catchy name, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Maybe it goes back to that.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's interesting because there are people online and fans who
will say they want a fresh meat season because that
is people that they don't know and they just want
new meet in there. But I'm from a show no
one's ever heard of, so I'm essentially somebody who might
have been a fresh meat and I haven't really been
welcomed by some of the fans, So I don't really

(03:12):
know what people want, honestly, But I don't really get
too hung up on it because I'm really just there
to be me. You know. Sometimes I'm dramatic, sometimes I'm not.
Sometimes I'm drussed oryies. Sometimes I'm not. But at the
end of the day, everything I'm doing is just me,
and I think the more seasons I do, I think
people may start to understand me, because I still do

(03:33):
read things like, oh my god, Corey is so he's
so rehearsed, and he's so yet and yeah, and I'm like,
I'm really not. Maybe it's just the way my voice
sounds and the way that I talk. I talk kind
of monotone sometimes and I talk slowly, but I've always
been that way, so you.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Know, yeah, what do you think is that? What's the
number one? Yet?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
So I would say, I mean not to say this
to your face and be awkward about but I will
say that the common complaint I hear about you, or
that I get about you is that you're, as the
kids say, a bit of a try hard. Now I'm
not saying I agree with that. I'm saying that's what
they say. They think that you're, you know, you're kind
of you're a lot, and that it's clear that now

(04:12):
what I see when I here sort of to put
their complaint through the Scott Jeger filter of it all,
I very much appreciate that because you're very accessible. You're
very open to doing podcasts like ours ours literally and
then you're leaving this telecast to go and be on
another podcast. You're very available. You want to be a
part of the show, the conversation. You want to make

(04:33):
sure you're able to fill in the gaps for the fans.
You're not scared to get your hands dirty. You know,
obviously on season thirty nine in the famous moment with
you revealing yourself to dig Tie and Melissa, and then
recently you and Adam going out at it on the
show and on social media. I think that's great. Like
to compare you to like a Dario. You know, someone

(04:53):
had a question that I'll get to you later. They're asking, like,
you know, why is Dario seemingly not admitting he's on
the show.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
We haven't heard from him on social media.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
He's certainly not out there doing Instagram lives and frank
every week.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
So that's the other side of the corn.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
You get a guy like Steve or a guy like
Dario who show up, they film the show and then
like see you later.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, And you know you're out there.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
You're putting your thoughts out there, you're airing your very laundry,
and I think it's it's actually endearing to have somebody
who clearly cares about their role on the show and
off the show.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
You know, I don't know if Yeah, I mean, I
don't know if I'm a tryhard. I've just literally always
been this way. You can ask anyone that's known me
since I was a kid. I've always been a little
bit outspoken, probably too much. I've always been a little
bit too dramatic. Teachers hated me in class because I
was always talking and doing things. And like, maybe I
am a try hard, But like I think about who

(05:44):
else is on this show, Right, We've had forty one
see forty seasons of the show. There's been spin offs,
and like a whole lot of try hard, right, who's
not a tryhard? Judia Banas, I love him, try Hard West,
try hard fuck it. Like, so it's like I said,
I don't know what it is. Maybe it's because I
wasn't in the real world and people, you know, obviously

(06:04):
that's where this show started and the legacy that created
the challenge history is because of that, and maybe they
never got to see me in that environment. And admittedly
most people didn't watch my show so like they don't
know what I was like there. They only see me
on the challenge, and they think that the person they're
seeing is not the person that I am. I think
you know, you watch Big Brother, you know, you watch

(06:25):
live feeds. You know exactly you know Kyland is Kyland
because of how he because you got to see him
in real time. You saw everybody in the real world
living in a house unfiltered. You know who they are,
So their decisions, I guess makes sense. But since people
don't know me in my background, everything I do doesn't
make sense. And it's like, yes, I am a little
bit too dramatic sometimes, but like that's just me. You

(06:48):
can find me at a bar anywhere off camera, and
if somebody bumps into my friend the wrong way or
bumps into me the wrong way, I go into defensive mode,
like what the fuck are you doing? Be respectful? You
know that that's just me. And yeah, I think people.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
I think people.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
When it all comes down to this is they don't
care about someone being a try hard. You just need
to be their try hard, right, and you can become
their try hard from you know, a good way to like,
you know, if you were on whether it's the real
world twelve years ago, or even a Survivor or a
Big Brother or just a show that people have seen
where they get a glimpse at your gameplayer, more of

(07:24):
your character, and we never really got that with you.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
You have the.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Cup of coffee on Spieslies and Allies, which you know,
that's a season where I don't think any of the
rookies really came out of that one looking too hot,
but especially you guys who exitted early, I think almost
were forgotten about. You come back on season thirty nine,
where everyone kind of shits on the whole thing. To
begin with, no one really other than the Rees came
out of that season having elevated their stock, you know.

(07:49):
And then from there you get the you know, the
daunting task of being one of the first really really
new era challengers to cross over the All Stars line
of the sand and look hashtag we want OG's. There's
people who think it's blasphemous that even Devin Walker or
Cam is on there, let alone or Amberbee or whoever.

(08:10):
So I've been kind of set up, honestly to not
have a lot of fans in this world, and I
think the fact that you have any is somewhat impressive.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
So yeah, I mean, you know, it came up in
some interview I did recently. It's like they're like, was
it like being on All Stars? And it's and I honestly,
I don't think I'm an All Star. I think I'm
somebody who was on All Stars. I don't know if
I'm an All Star. And the thing and the reason
why I accepted it is well, number one, I didn't
know it was All Stars. When they first called me.
They said it was a Challenge spin off, and I

(08:39):
thought it was, you know, I don't know, some other
show that they might be doing. And then I found
that it was All Stars, you know, later into the process,
and I as somebody who was actually a fan of
this show and somebody who can spot things like, oh,
Veronica plays a certain way or Katie plays a certain way,
like you know, I was like, I want to see
what I can do against some of these old school
people I watched ten fifteen twenty years ago when I

(09:03):
was growing up, and like that opportunity was presented to
me and I said yes. And I know, like you said,
some people don't necessarily like that. I'm not production. I'm
just a guy, and I can't do the flagship show
that often. You know, I do have a very serious job.
I have a lot of responsibilities and it's hard for

(09:23):
me to take three months off. But you call me
for four or five six weeks, that's a lot easier
to take off. And I don't know. Like I said,
I've done three seasons now, and to be honest, I
really don't know if I want to do more because
I don't this. I'm not appreciated. I don't want to
be somewhere that I'm not wanted to be honest, and
despite me having fun, I have so much fun doing

(09:46):
the challenge. I have so much fun because I did
watch this show. But like, but don't you think.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
You need to But everything we just talked about right where,
you do kind of have to earn your stripes in
this world.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Let's be honest, right route your end route to doing that?

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Right you do, you become sort of you know, along
the way, you become someone who's more and more a
part of this world where love you or hate you,
people begin to accept you. And then you know that's
saying from the dark night you either die a hero

(10:20):
or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
I think in the Challenge.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
World, in reality TV world, right, you can die a
cast member that people are reluctant to root for or
care about, or you can stick around for long enough
where you will be the Challenge veteran that people want
to see beat the random guy that they come up
with as like an MMA fighter from the u UK
they never heard from, and they're.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Like, no way, I'm rooting for Corey Lay.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
At least he's on his fifth season, so you kind
of I mean, if you have struggled with the you
know the response and it does make you feel a
little bit underappreciated, I would say it's almost the opposite
where stick it out where at least because here a
lot of these people are fickle and a lot of
these people are just waiting for the opportunity to cheer

(11:05):
for you because they feel like they organically now are
rooting for you instead of person number two. And that
maybe doesn't happen when you're, you know, competing against people
they've been watching for longer than you, or you're on
a show, or you don't feel like you know, they
feel like you belong. But I'm telling you along the
way whether it's season forty two, forty three, what have you,

(11:26):
you know, you will start to be appreciated. I saw
Paul Calfiori where it's like, you know, he's the new
kid on the block, it's who is this guy? He's
a try hard, he's starting fights with everybody. Then he
gets a couple of seasons off, he comes back for
this latest run, and I think people are now appreciating
his I don't know if you want to call it authenticity,
but certainly his sort of you know, essence and energy

(11:46):
more so than maybe some of the newer cast members
who have risen in between. So I would caution you
now to just, you know, hang up the phone because
you don't feel like the fans appreciate you. That's kind
of what they're testing you with. It's kind of like
they want to see, hey, will you stay get out
when we don't immediately just throw flowers at you, and.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
The answer, the answer might be no, maybe I don't
see it out. The thing is, I have an amazing life,
right like I have. I was thirty years old before
I did my first show, So like I have, I
have a grounding in reality of like who I am
outside of this world, sure, and when I'm in a
space where I don't feel like I'm welcome, I don't know,

(12:24):
like it's just like I'm thirty four, you know how long?
How long am I actually supposed to stick around before?
Because I honestly, I do this for me, right, I
have so much fun filming the show, and then I
come back online and I'm called every slur in the book,
some things I've never heard of before. So like, I'm
not saying I will never come back, but like coming
off the heels of All Stars and things like and

(12:48):
then even thirty nine, which is why I didn't do forty,
Like one, it was hard to get time off of work,
but they left to film forty the same week thirty
nine ended, and thirty nine was not a great experience
for me. So like, I don't know, it's really tough,
Like I want to continue to do this because I
love the show. I love the people involved in the show.
I enjoyed the cast, I enjoy being myself. I think

(13:10):
that there is not like there still is not like
a really another like gay man of color that's on
the show, you know, aside from me. I do think
that some of the reception for me is like I'm
a little bit more sassy than your average man because
I am gay, and I don't people understand that. Like,

(13:30):
at least you guys got to understand Frank because he
was on you know, the Real World and things back
in his day and the show was different, and like
he's sassy too, but like for some reason, his sassiness
is appreciated, but my sassiness is like, oh, Corey is
a fucking bitch. Corey's whatever. It wasn't always.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
It wasn't always.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Like if you hear the way people talk about Frank
on bal the seasons and the way he's still having
to answer questions for how he treated Sam, I don't
remember him being the most popular cast member of this
Real World.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Season left for like a decade.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, and again, absence makes the Hart grow fonder.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
But also we love an Og and Frank is now
that magic combination of someone who started on the Real World,
you know, has the Challenge championship, you know, looks good
with his shirt off, knows how to stir the pot,
you know, and feels like somebody who we got to miss.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
For a few years. You know.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, there's an alternate.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Unip for me, there's an alternate universe where he's you know, yeah,
and and look and I and I do, but I
would just caution you, unlike unlike Frank, who I think,
you know, it's baked in and he was you know,
he was brought in as a mercenary on Vendetta's and
he's kind of always.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
An awesome moment.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, and he's got that, he's got that championship or
to him, where those people there's there's always going to
kind of be a currency to bring those people back,
whether it's for an All Stars theme or whatever. Whereas
I would caution you, just like not to say that,
say you know, newer cast members are a diamond doesn't
and clearly you're not because just the fact that they
put you on All Stars, whereas like a Manuel won
Season thirty nine and he can't get a fucking phone call.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
So like it's it's clearly that they like you and
they see something in you, but you are seeing too.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, I think I have a lot to bring to
this world. Like I am, I am uniquely me, and
I think me being uniquely me, like I said, you
either either get me and you like me or you don't.
And I just don't know how much I have in
me to try to convince people otherwise.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Can I try to sell you on? And by the way,
if you want to watch this, you want to watch
this interview and go to challenge maniacx dot com watch
full video of all of our interviews in episode breakdowns.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
And if you were watching this, you would see that.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Corey Lay has a beautiful, infectious smile. So this might
be a hard sell for him or for people who
are looking at this smile in front of me here,
But have you thought about tripling down on the heel
stuff and sort of not kind of unintentionally causing for
people to not be rooting for you?

Speaker 1 (15:49):
But hey, if you know that that's the case.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Or you know that in the house maybe the newbies
might not be welcome and whatnot, like kind of in
a way that Frank has sort of doubled down on it,
and I know it's kind of easier for him to
do it because he kind of does have I guess
the carpe blanche that comes with being an OG favorite,
But like, have you thought about maybe doing that going
full Amanda?

Speaker 3 (16:07):
If you will, I mean, I will say I don't
show up to play a character. I show up to
be me and I'm not going to show up to
play a character. Like there are things I will do
sometimes if I feel like it's advantage, it's an advantage
for me. I will do villainous things. I will spill
the beans. I will tell Devin that Dario is coming
after him. Like, I will do stuff. But like I

(16:28):
don't know, Like I'm not a character. I'm Corey Lay.
That's it. Like sometimes I will be X, sometimes I
will be Y, sometimes I'll be Z. Maybe that's why
people don't really understand me. It's because I am so
I'm more nuanced than I think somebody who's done reality
TV for fifteen years who is a character, and then
when they're off screen there's someone else that's not me.

(16:49):
I am the same person everywhere, and I don't want
to change to be accepted on a TV show. I
want to be Corey Lay and whether you like it
or not, like that. And that's why it's that's why
I'm like, I don't know where I fit in in
this world. I love it so much. I love the community,
the people who like me, I really love. I think
there is something important about me being there and doing

(17:12):
the things that I do, but I don't know. It
really is hard, Scott, It's very fucking hard.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
You know, I want either there are like you know,
like I think I've said it before on online.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
I think some of the reasons the show has become
what it has become in terms of like how stale
it can be sometimes and how people are don't don't
lash out. There is this air when you're filming people
being so nervous about getting harassed on the internet. Like
people will not say how they feel. They will do

(17:46):
things off of camera. They'll make they'll make moves off camera,
they'll do things off camera because they don't want that backlash,
and like I will, to my credit, I'll do whatever
the fuck I want regardless of backlash. And then I
get mad that those backlash. But like I'm there to
play a game and I know it's not real. I
know it's not that serious, and so I'm doing what
I'm doing, and like I honestly I would tell the

(18:09):
fans listening to this, it's like, if there's someone on
the show doing something you don't like, you don't have
to DM them and call them bad names, because you're
going to contribute to the show becoming less of what
it used to be because people then take that internally
and they don't want to react. Look at this All
Stars cast. How many people are actively engaging with the

(18:29):
fans online on this cast?

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Well, we mentioned Dario. Some people are just complete ghosts
when it comes to that thing. Some of them, some
of them, I will admit, are maybe currently at a
bar mitzvah where they take your phone and you're not
allowed to interact.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
But you're right, that does happen.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
And it also people on season forty, like or how
many people have been driven off? Driven off of Twitter?
From the call Twitter.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
It's funny, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
So Twitter is the one where because I'm always like
tagging cast members when we're promoting a flyer and stuff,
and Twitter's the one where I have to remember, like,
oh wait, half of these people aren't on here anymore.
Cars are not here, Tori's not on here, whomever's not
on it.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
They got driven off. Even Cassidy from the USA season.
She had a great season, a great breakout season in
my opinion, I thought she was a great character, a
great addition to the show, and they drove her off
of Twitter. And I don't know if she engaged with
the Challenge fans at all anymore. It's like it just
sucks because you lose good people by people just by

(19:25):
the reactions on the Internet, And like, I get it.
We are doing something for entertainment, but we're real people.
We're not Angelina Jolie who doesn't check her Twitter. We're
not actually that famous. We're not We are just human beings.
You have access to us in a way you don't
have access to other people, which is why it impacts
us more. We're not a real housewife, We're not millionaires.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
That's what people love about the Challenge and reality shows
is what you just described, which is that because you're
on TV, you're on that magical twenty four inch to
fifty five inch box. If they watch, you're a quote
unquote famous, so that they feel like they can say
whatever they want to you. But because as you mentioned,
you guys are regular folk. You do check your own twitters.

(20:07):
You're not so busy that like a DM or a
comment's going to go completely unread, although you wish some
of them would, so like it's that kind of dichotomy
of they get to throw some shit at you and
some of it hits you, you know, and that one
way relationship And have you ever seen this where it
happens with like Nourice where someone will say something to
her and then she clapbacks at them and like says
something about them or their profile picture, and then they go,

(20:28):
how dare Like how would you?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
You know? Like that's you know, so unfair for you
to call this person.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
And it's like you guys think that you're just allowed
to say whatever you want and then not get somebody
to say it back. But that's I think what people
fall in love with, and that's a certain type of
Internet fan. And what I know is hard to gauge
for you is, in a way you kind of only
know how those people feel about you, because you don't

(20:55):
know how the three hundred and eighty thousand people who
just watch the show and go to bed feel about you.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
And that's true.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Let me ask you about this season.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
So you made it for six episodes, what do you
feel like was it properly conveyed about your game or
your character? I know this show's been a little under
edited because it's about forty four minute episodes or only
an hour, and obviously throwing the commercials, so is there
anything we missed, like whether it was a social game,
political game, you know, jokes, anything like that. Anybody you
connected with we never got to see fill us in.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Honestly, is there a single moment you saw me having
fun with anyone.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
In the montages and the parties?

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Maybe? Yeah? So, Like I mean, I think you guys
are the viewers are missing actually what the socio dynamics were,
not just with me specifically, but like I hung out
like Frank and I got very close, Sam and I
got very close. I was number ones with Amber, like me,
Michelle or me, Melissa and Big T were always hanging
out together. I in Turbo got very close And like,

(21:52):
you don't know that at all by kind of what
was shown, and it it really to me downplays the
show and you can't see those things. And it's like,
you know, Veronica and Katie from day one, we're trying
to get the house to vote in me and Big
T literally every single fucking house vote, which is why
when people start burning votes on me which are not

(22:14):
burn votes, I have an illicit reaction to that on camera,
but you don't have that context to understand why is
Corey so mad at Adam why is Corey annoyed at
Veronica and Katie. There's so many things that didn't make
it in here. Shane was involved in this too. It
was Shane, Veronica, and Katie. Literally every house vote, I
would have my friends because people didn't understand how many

(22:36):
friends I had in this house, Like they would tell
me what they were trying to do and trying to
flip the house vote, and we never let it happen.
So it's like there's a lot more nuance. I think
that's been missing. But ultimately, like there's a lot of
fun that was had in this house. Like we had
a lot more freedom compared to the normal Flagship show.
We had alcohol kind of at our disposal in the house,

(22:57):
We could party, do more things, we went out. We
just like it was very chill, and I don't think
maybe it's because the episodes are shorter, they couldn't fit
all that in, But like you just you don't get
a sense for that, Like if I were to ask
you right now, who's friends in the house, who do
you really know aside from people who've been on who
knew each other for decades. And then we've got a
good segment with Ashley Kay and Amber like that was amazing.

(23:20):
They've been friends since day one and this is episode six,
so like, I just like, it's all over the place.
That's the story they have to tell. I understand, and
it's it's hard.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Friends obviously are great and that's character building and stuff.
What surprises me even more than that is that I
hear rumblings, whether directly or through the grapevine after one
of these shows, of like people who had issues or
like people who are dreading, uh oh, what's going to
happen if and when they show this? And then how
much of that? I then I go, was it supposed

(23:49):
to be that they don't? And so here we are
with the season of Rivals where they're showing all these
clips to show why all you guys are rivals, and
I go, I heard that some rivalries were formed on
this season, and you guys just didn't even show us
any of those. Like I don't want to say who,
but I remember you telling me that you didn't end
on the best of terms with so many from this

(24:10):
cast that I'm waiting for that to come out so
I can ask you about it, and it never does.
So I'm like, I guess we never to talk about
that same thing with a couple of teammates who I
heard were at odds the entire time that if you
just watch the show in the edit, you would think, oh,
they're just getting along swimmingly. So you know, it's interesting.
I know, obviously they're only dealing with an hour window here.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
I know that.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Obviously in twenty twenty one they don't lean into the
conflict as much as they used to.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
But it's just surprising how much of that gets left out.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
And I know that some of it might be that, hey,
we'd rather spend no time on this than just a
minute and a half.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
I think that might be a tough decision to have
to make. But are you surprised with that?

Speaker 2 (24:46):
And while I have you here and knowing that you
are known to get messy from time to time on
a podcast, are you willing to, maybe, you know, take
out the director's cut here for us and let us
know about some stuff that you, as someone who was there,
are surprised wasn't shown, even if you just want to
be brought and vague about like people who aren't getting
along or are getting along that we didn't get really

(25:08):
a glimpse of.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, I mean I mean, if you listen to like
people's interviews in the season, like you hear that there's
for some reason Frank and Shane don't like each other.
Why you know, we haven't seen that, but it's been
something that's been undercurrent the entire season, and you know
the reason why really kind of stems back to me,
like I'm not gonna I'm not going to reveal everything there.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
But like, well, what if I ask how about if
I if I ask you? Well, it seemed less gratuitous
than you kind of because I like, like, let me
just say and maybe this is me like wanting too
much from this, but when I saw the casting list,
I'm like, oh, this is awesome. We have gay men
from three different eras of the show, two of which
we haven't seen in a really long time in Shane

(25:51):
and Frank, who I believe had never played together.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
They're on the same show for the first time. And
then throwing.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Corey lay who you're what you you know you're likely
like you said, whenever you go out there to do
a challenge, what do you have in the back of
your mind the representation things like that, But also me
as a viewer, salaciously, I kind of want to see
how all you guys get a look?

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Are you guys allies? Are you guys on each other's corner?

Speaker 2 (26:12):
And as a viewer, I felt like I know nothing
about the three of your dynamic.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
And maybe that's me expecting.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Too much or me being a simp over here, but like, yeah,
can you fill me in on how Corey Lay, Shane Landram,
and Frank Sweeney got along in this house?

Speaker 3 (26:28):
So going into the season, we actually we talked previously,
all three of us, and we said, you know, we
don't we don't want to do the typical gay caddy thing,
and let let's try to be friends, so I'll try
to work together. So that was our context going get
into the house. And then as we move into the house,
Shane and I get pretty close, really fast.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
How close?

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Then it's close close enough, okay, and then we He
ends up saying some really foul things about me to Melissa,
and I find out about it, and I in Corey
Corey Lay fashion, I freak out and I have have

(27:09):
I kind of have a breakdown, and I'm like mentally
exhausted and mostly exhausted. Thankfully, people like Amber Davon and
Frank were there to console me and to make me
feel welcome and seen, and like Daveon in episode six
says she's working with me and big t that started
because of her like trying repair.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Was this really early? Was this like a round episode one?

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Like what episode one or two like.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
It was would have would have been? It would have been,
but what would have been?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, it would have been, but it wasn't. So it
was like it was a very quick thing. I mean
it started in the hotel before it moved into the season.
Like you know, you get like a day or two
to do whatever, and we all party and to stuff.
So like so like that was a big thing for
me that was missing, and like it set a lot
of the the tone of how the relationships would go.

(27:58):
It's why like Frank and I got so close very fast,
which you guys don't really see. It's why me and
Frank are not close at all and actually kind of
at odds for a lot of the season, like I
haven't talked to Shane, or yeah, I haven't talked to
Shane since filming, the exception of I saw that he
was in the hospital for some vaping thing. Kelly Ane
posted this a week ago or two weeks ago, and

(28:19):
so I messaged him and said, hey, I hope you're
doing okay, Like I don't want somebody's health, like you know, whatever,
whatever happens on a TV show happens on a TV show.
But I was like, that's the only time we talked,
and yeah, there's just a lot of conflict you guys
didn't see, like even and talk about the All Star thing.
There was a moment like me and Ashley Mitchell were
like on the couch and we were joking around like
why am I here, Like I'm not an All Star,

(28:41):
like like what's going on. We had a whole moment
and like I wish people could understand, like I'm actually
not that serious of a person. You just haven't got
to see that on this show. Like I joke, I'm
I make jokes about myself all the time, and it's
just like I I people don't get at me, and
like it is what it is. But yeah, there's this

(29:04):
stuff y'all didn't see, and I'm not going to expose
at all because like I there's some really touchy things
there that I don't want to get into.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Let me ask.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
So something you said jumped out of me is like
a potential if I'm going, Okay, why didn't we see
this stuff? And it's that a lot of it, as
you said, started in the hotel, and I know that
they don't love stuff that starts or develops in the hotel.
Although they're getting more open to just throwing in a
line of so in the hotel or so at the
airport like they do now kind of a lot more
of that. But the fact that they wouldn't have footage

(29:35):
for some of this stuff, I think may get.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
In the way. But let me ask you, when you're
there and you're doing your interview days, for those first few.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Days, are they, for instance, asking you about some of
these things to the point where when you go home
you figure out, oh, yeah, that's gonna be a segment
episode one.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Because I know people who.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Were worried, worried or at least what's the word, predicting
that some of this stuff was going to be very
integral and not the first or second episode, and they
were very elated to see that it wasn't, and that
you know, some of the characters who're named so far
very involved. So I having heard through the grapevine and
this stuff happened when it was completely omitted. Knowing a

(30:12):
little bit about what was said or I guess was
the undercurrent of some of this stuff, I kind of
get why they would leave it out, But but you know, again,
if that's sort of a lot of your big moments
as a character and shines the light on your dynamic
with everyone involved, having it removed completely does have to
make you sort of a one dimensional, like background character.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
For that star.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, that was invisible until season until episode five because really,
and they decided not to show anything about Katie and
Brunaga trying to flip house boats against against me and
Big T when Big T and I were politicking consistently
every day to make sure that we were not the
ones going in. I will say this, like the stuff
was Shane, that was, it was filmed, it was there,

(30:51):
They have it, they just chose not to do it.
I think Shane hasn't been on the show for a
long time, and the last thing you want for returning
character is a reason for audiences to not like them again.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
So yeah, it's interesting that it's like, Yeah, it's such
a weird day and age we're living in where and.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
I wish we could get back to this. This isn't
just specific to the challenge.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
This happens with Survivor too, where Survivor used to have
seasons where it would be called Survivor heroes versus villains, right,
And on the villains side was people who both Survivor viewers, producers,
and even the people themselves viewed as villains lay up
the villain role and were villains for varying degrees, lying, backstabbing,
saying mean things, honestly on some level being bad people.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
And that was part of the appeal. And then somewhere
along the way, I.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Think viewers to go back to what you said about
people on Twitter needing to worry that they're kind of
making the shows worse.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
We went through this couple of year period where.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
I think people were like, Oh, if someone's so bad,
you shouldn't even have on the show, right, right?

Speaker 3 (32:01):
And then if this was built on having, like all
of this was built on having I don't want to
say bad people, but conflicting ideology, personalities and like different
political beliefs and not even political, but different like belief systems. Right,
Like you had you know, somebody who never met a
gay person living in a house with a gay person
on the real world, and you would have to see

(32:23):
those conflicts and how they would like grow and ultimately
either get along or not get along, and like those
things would happen, And like we've gone to a place
now where you cannot or they won't show people in
a way that they think might ruin their brand as
like as the larger collective of like a TV show network,
but like we're individual people, and like we think about

(32:44):
thirty seven, right, there was the Lauren moment, there was
the Ashley moment. Y'all didn't see any of that, and like,
I think between you're right, they don't show these things anymore.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Well, so let me ask you to bring back to
this moment. And again I know you don't want to because.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
They didn't show it. You don't want to put anything
on either. But the two examples you use from thirty
seven that I'll kind of put in perspective what you're
talking about is Lauren was a person who was on
the show.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
I forget her.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
She was partnered with but early on, maybe in the
first couple episodes, she said something producers didn't like. Cass
didn't like. I think ultimately, you guys, maybe had a
vote or something and she was booted off the show.
And again ten years prior on the show, that would
have been a scene on the show, and it would
have been a teachable moment for anybody who hurt to
hear what she said, realize it's wrong, and maybe be

(33:31):
better people because of it. And then later in the season, famously,
Ashley Mitchell has a similar take. She's en route to
maybe getting her third championship on that show. She was
having a good season. She gets into something with Josh,
says the wrong thing, and again instead of showing us
the moment, all we get is TJ coming and saying
Ashley violated the conduct policy.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
She's gone.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, we haven't seen her since up until All Stars.
Unlike when Naya came back for All Stars three or
Jordan who quote unquote back for that where they kind
of address past things with them, Unlike Anissa and Troschelle
who got to kind of hash out some of their
stuff for All Stars one, we didn't get Ashley kind
of talking about that at all.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
And those two things have kind of been put by
the wayside.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
And to go back to the like playing in Peoria
of it all, you know, ninety percent of Challenge viewers
are none the wiser and don't care.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
But to the Internet, to the Internet people.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
They're left to their own devices literally to kind of
read the rumors and make matters better or worse in
their own head based on whether they like the person
or not.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
So let me ask you this. Yeah, the commonality of.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Both of those issues without getting too specific, were they
obviously dealt with I believe they dealt with, you know,
race and sexuality in a way, right, both of them.
I don't want to say which or whatever I get
too specific. And ultimately they felt like rules or violations
in that twenty two page code of conduct policy they
give you were broken and they had to remove the

(34:56):
people from the show.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Okay, So I.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Would ask you, like, is the reason, like some of
the stuff you got into with you, did it tread
on any of those subjects that although maybe no rules
were broken, they might have thought, eh, maybe similarly to
those we kind of just wipe this clean and don't
air any of this, even if we're not gonna send
any people home because of it, Like, was it did
it scared around stuff like that?

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Or what what are we talking?

Speaker 3 (35:18):
I mean, I think unintentionally perhaps like like, I don't
think Shane in his interactions with me, had any malicious
intent to cross any specific lines. But I think he
did on accident, potentially, you know, or not potentially. I
think it was on accident. And I think it was

(35:40):
more like a like a like a like a societal
level type of crossing of the lines, not an individual level.
And like, I really think it wasn't his intention, and
we did talk about it, and like, I think he
understood where he went wrong, and I think it would
have been a teachable type moment for him, the audience

(36:00):
everybody who might be in situations like that, about how
you make someone feel when you say certain things to them,
and like how it may hit them at a deeper
level based on you know, the world that we live in.
So you know, I I but I get it though,
like they they want to be able to cast Shane again,
not to say I think Shane did something that he'd

(36:21):
make him uncastable. I think I think what he things.
Things can happen, There can be disagreements, there can be
ruffle feathers, people can be offended without somebody getting banned
from a TV show. I don't think he did. I
don't think he didn't like fucking say something that he
should be banned for, but it was something a little
bit sensitive, and I think the broader people who create

(36:42):
this show don't want to cross those lines, and they
don't want to show someone like Shane, who's a big
character on the show, crossing those lines.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
But see, it's funny you say that, because I would
argue that the way they've chosen to handle all this
with kids gloves and treat us like we're just not
ready for the big talks. It's actually what you just said,
Shane is a big character. Yeah, that's what I thought too,
But on this season, Shane has not been a big character.
Davon has not been a big character. Corey Lay was

(37:10):
not able to be a big character, and granted a
lot of it's cup for time, but a lot of it, like,
for instance, on a show called Rivals, where they're trying
to remind us why come some of these people Rivals?
Correct me if I'm wrong, But the thing you're describing
drove kind of a wedge between him and Devon that
persisted throughout the season. Right, you literally could have had
an episode one a legit storyline that told us as viewers,

(37:30):
why one of these teams is, you know, walking on
hot coals all season with each other and they chose to.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Start as a wedge with Frank and Shane too, because
like Frank was very strongly on my side in that,
and like it would have like just yeah, it would
have won between the rivals. That would have told a
better story. I think in between us as castmates would
have shown a better story. You'd have understood why the
lines were so deeply in the sand between certain teams,
and why Davon was so conflicted because she wanted to

(37:58):
have my back and Big Tea's back. Then she's tied
to Shane. Like it's it is what it is, you know,
that's the show.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Though, Like to me, if you go to me, what
could be great about doing All Stars with Ashley Mitchell
and Shane Landerm and Corey Lay and Frank Sweeney and
Davon Rodgers and having them be partner with people that
they kind of could get along with, but also heyny
new faces are getting to know each other.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
But also, hey, I've been on TV in a while.
What could be great about it?

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Exactly what it sounds like you're describing it aroundabout way,
and now we're kind of even worried about how much
we want to say here on a podcast, and I'm
in a rough spot because I go, Okay, I kind
of want to do my digging for you guys. You know,
especially our paid subscribers over at challengemaniax dot com are
loyal listeners.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
I know that they feed off of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Because this is the crack that they got us addicted
to over let's say thirty two seasons, right, and then
around like season thirty three thirty four, they start kind
of changing it a little bit, to the point where
by season thirty seven, no, that kind of stuff is gone.
We're not even putting it in the episode, but it
doesn't get removed.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
From the ether because you guys, you.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Guys do kind of look like it's not even intentional,
but you come home from these shows, these are the
moments that meant the most of you guys, and look
as much as you sign NDAs and things like that,
you might be out to dinner and you might be
sharing some of your experience where even in big generalities,
you share that, hey, I'm kind of worried about something
in episode one might be a tough week for me whatever,
and then cut to me like wanting to be there

(39:19):
for someone during week one, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Like, what was the thing is it?

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Was it the the thing in the kitchen And they're like,
oh no, they didn't show any of it.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
And it's like and and and and you guys are
through the lens of the old school challenge right to
be worried about some of these interviews, these moments that
you get interviewed about in the moment and then you
come home and they chose to kind of, you know,
take the easier route, which does I think get in
the way of people look maybe not having an unconditionally
positive opinion of you after, but really having more of

(39:48):
an opinion based on actual content and not like I
don't like that guy, he tries harder, he's a lot
on Twitter, or like you know, why.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Is he doing Instagram Live so much? Or whatever?

Speaker 3 (39:58):
You know, you know what's funny, So when all this happened,
they did something I've never seen them really do on
the challenge, which likes on twelve days to Christmas, they
did you know, on the fly interviews ots where they
just kind of put you somewhere in the room, put
a camera and I'd be talked about what just happened
after the Shane stuff happened. That's the first time they've
ever done that with me, And I was like, Oh,
how's that gonna come across? Because I think they wanted

(40:20):
to capture like the moment and the emotions and everything
that was happening before, because you know, we filmed our
interviews two three, four days after whatever event happened, and
I think that was so like raw in my reaction
that they wanted to like get that right, Ben. And
I was dreading it airing because like I didn't know, one,

(40:42):
I don't want Shane to look bad, you.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Know, I do.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
I think he's he's a good guy. I think he Yeah,
I think he's fine. I don't I don't want to
see somebody get canceled or whatever for something that they did.
So I was worried, like, how is he gonna look?
How am I gonna look? And in some ways whatever,
I'm glad it wasn't airing, But like you guys don't
get to know it whatever, I don't know what I'm saying.

(41:06):
I just know I get it that we were we
weren't living in a sanitized world, because I mean, yeah,
it just takes away from the enjoyment and from us.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Let's talk about some of the stuff that we did see.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
So you and Adam getting into it, and obviously it's
leading into social media, so you know what, you know,
walk me through this moment. They obviously you know, they
put you guys out there. They mentioned you guys at
the at the Liberation. You don't like that, you take
umbrage of that. We get I thought, like the closest
we've really gotten to a fireworks moment on the show,
other than maybe Ashley and Anissa getting into it, which

(41:47):
I think it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
I talked about it in the moment with the Ashley
and Anissa thing.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
It's like you're now seeing where the line is of
like what they're willing to cover. And it's like, you know,
Anissa saying redneck ice cube. They're like, all right, that
will go with that word. We we'll examine the whether
that one's appropriate. But like with you and Adam, talk
about where that hostility or that bitterness came from. You
guys are obviously big personalities your own way. You've got
to see from Afar, this team is fighting from the bottom,

(42:11):
and even though they come in first or second, every
time they get thrown in no matter what. So talk
about what was it that made that moment and what
has persisted on the social media between you two.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Yeah, So, I mean, there wasn't undercurrent the entire time
of that side of the house. You're gonna call them
the ogs or whatever. Every single house vote, they were
trying to get people to throw me in, Big Big
t In. So that was something that was sitting on
my shoulder the entire time. They just weren't able to
convince my friends to vote for me. And then prior

(42:42):
to that specific deliberation, you know, Adam comes up to
me in Big Ta in our room and he's just like,
you know, it needs to not be me today because
we've gone in so many times and if it's us,
then we're coming for you, and so you need to
figure this out. And I'm just like, excuse me, Like,
this is not one how you talk to me. And

(43:02):
if you've ever like you know, me and Big T
we're not gonna take well to a single threat that
you give us. And so walking into that deliberation and
him voting for me one it's not a burn vote,
and it's not an accident. It is kind of a
warning shot that Corey, if you don't do what I
want you to do, I'm going to vote for you.

(43:24):
And my guard was up. I reacted, and even in
previous episodes, I reacted to Veronica and Katie because I
knew Vveronica and Katie were not burn voting on me
and Big T. They wanted to vote for us. And
I knew that for a fucking fact because on Night one,
before the very first House vote, I have Amber coming
up to me and she's very concerned that the House

(43:45):
is going to vote you in. Corey. They all they're
all voting for you. Veronica and Katie and Shane are
getting the House to vote for you. And that happened
every single fucking House vote. So I am a like,
I get it. And the way it's shown on TV,
you don't know why I'm freaking out. It looks stupid,
Like why am I yelling at Adam? Adam's been gone
in four times in a row, I'm stupid. Why am

(44:07):
I so upset? Because you guys didn't see the whole story.
And then on the Twitter thing, it's like, Okay, I
wake up on a Friday morning, two days after an
episode airs at seven am to Adam fucking commenting on
me based on an edit, and I'm like, Adam, you
know what the fuck you did? You know why I'm
mad just because the fans don't know it. You don't

(44:28):
need to sit here and dig try to dig a
knife into me. And so I reacted in Corey lay fashion,
and I just let him know, like, don't get brave,
this is an edit. You're not a good person. You're
a fucking asshole I have. There are a lot of castmates,
both from All Stars four and All Stars five who
privately messaged me after and said, oh, Adam also sent

(44:50):
me that type of DM saying like oh, it's just
for show yadad YadA, and like they don't like him either.
He's not a good person. You're gonna see more of
it as the season as All Stars five goes on.
But like it is what it is. Just don't get
bold with me. Like I'm not the one to ever
sit aside and let somebody get bold. And that's really
all that it is. Like Adam's the one person I

(45:11):
think I've ever met in the entire Challenge world that
I just do not like as a person. I think
he's a fraud. I think he's a phony. He knows
how to play it for the camera to act like
he's a good guy. Like you talk about people like
oh the ogs are more real, and like the new
school kids are like are fake. I'm like, no, Adam
is the fakest person I've ever done a show with.

(45:31):
And I've done three seasons of this with all types
of people, So it is what it is, Like I
he can say whatever the fuck he wants, like, Okay,
he sent home six women, great, congratulations, Like you're not
that great.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
That's that's not his fault though, but but but yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
It's not his fault. But like, but don't don't get
bold because like you are. It is what it is, like,
we're playing a fucking game. You're not in my alliance.
I'm gonna vote for you. Don't give me an ultimatum
and then get mad when I respond to it and
then try to a knife into me on the internet,
Like I'm just not going to sit aside and watch
that happen.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Well, I will admit it was an interesting few to
watch from Afar because you're both in a similar boat
where like you know, the Internet, as you mentioned, can
have a have tepid feelings for both of you simultaneously,
to say the least. And so I'm wondering, I'm like,
sitting back, I'm like, where are they going to land
on this?

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Where are they going to decide?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
So far, it seems like, you know, because Adams, I
think another guy who I think, even on his last
two seasons of All Stars, I think a lot of
people if I had to speak for the Internet kind
of feel the way you feel.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I don't think he has a ton of fans either.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
I kind of am realizing this as I book him
for live shows and reading the reaction.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
But he'll be in Nashville with us on April fifth.
By the way, get your tickets.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
But I know you got to run, so look, you know,
I want to get you out of here on this
question because and I'll look you up. I'm going to
talk about the episode after Corey leaves as well. But
do we like and the we here the collective we
is me and you? But I'll ask you, do you
like the concept of having eliminated teams return in the
house to talk to people? Or no, it's super nostalgic,
which I love, But it allowed Corey to blow up

(46:58):
veronica spot, which I don't love. That's for Mary, You're
the one who blew up the spot. But can you
see Mary's complain here? Should you be able to affect
the game that you may have just done so just
because of this quirk of having you go back to
the house, shouldn't you be done the minute that your
tickets punched?

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Well? I could have also done that in the arena, right,
Like if I knew I wasn't going to go home?

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Oh, and would you that's a good question. Would you
have done that?

Speaker 3 (47:22):
I would have because I was just really fed up
with how things were going, and like, I don't like
Amber was being manipulated left and right by Veronica. You know,
Amber is a very nice person. She's a little bit
too trusting of people at times, and you know, and
people like Veronica are masters at social dynamics, and so yeah,

(47:44):
I mean I don't think it's unfair. I mean, I
think that's why we're allowed to go back to the house.
I think it's a dynamic that they wanted. And I
walking away. I want my good friend Amber to win,
and so I will do whatever I can in my
dying breath to make sure that she has a fighting
chance to get to the end and not let someone

(48:04):
continue to backstab them. So like, I understand it may
seem unfair, but I would have just yelled it after
the elimination before I went home, like Amber, watch out
for Veronica, She's coming for you, and then you never
see me again. So like, I don't think it matters
where it happened. It was going to happen regardless.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I will let you go.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Final question at this point in the game, obviously go
back in the Battalorian. You're you're walking back to the car,
You're walking back to the hotel. You're thinking to yourself,
you know who's left in the game. In the back
of your mind, who is Corey lay hoping wins this
season at the moment that you're leaving, not now with
the separation from it or even the added friendships you've
made along the way.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Back then, who are you rooting for? Who are you hoping?
You get a call two weeks saying we took it down.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Yeah, one hundred percent. It was Amber and BEESSI. You know,
Amber's close friend Winter Baby Shower Bessie's somebody who's if
you remember back on thirty seven, I was a newbie
and he went out on a limb and made a
deal with me, and you know he put in Quean
and Huey beat me. But like you know, Bessie has
been on my side on and off the show since
the beginning, and seeing that pair, yeah, I wanted them

(49:10):
to win it all one hundred percent awesome.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Well I'll let you go. I know you got to
go film the Zach Nichols podcast. Say hello to those
fuzz for me, and we'll say goodbye to Corey lay here.
He's gonna log off.

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