Ep. 477: Ask D Anything Q&A

Derrick Kosinski & Scott Yager answer your questions and go over some of the major topics going around the internet like Tyri's response to the Dunbar epiosde, Jordan's claims about The Traitors and his back and forth with Trishelle, whether Challenge Mania would exist if Derrick had won Dirty XXX and MORE!

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:14):
All right, you didn't come.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
For me, you came for d This episode is a
whole lot of d It's an ask d anything and
ask me anything. We took the challenge maniac dot com
and did a big old Q and A where we
answered a lot of your questions, talked about a lot
of the topics swirling around the internet. Now, I will
say we did record this about a week or two ago.
It's been exclusive over a challengemaniacs dot com. So this

(01:37):
was recorded before season forty one was formally announced, before
rumors that All Stars six is coming back. So a
lot of new stuff in the ether that we don't cover.
It's not that we didn't want to talk about it.
You're just listening to a Q and A that is
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What's up, everybody? This is another edition of Challenge Mania.

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might want to know, Well, we had a great time
with westin Bergman this past weekend in Saint Louis.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
We'll talk a little bit about that.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
He's joining us again for his second show of the
year Sunday, October fifth, and he is bringing his former partner,
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from her, and of course we will keep rolling out
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Speaker 2 (05:33):
All right, you didn't come for me, you came for D. Today.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
It's a bit of an ask D anything, and ask
me anything, and ask us anything, because we're going to
talk about all the news, all the rumors, all the gossip,
and answer some of your questions from Challenge Maniacs dot com.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Give it up for mister Derek Jims. Do you tell men?

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, nothing much. This is we're going audio old school
audio versions there. I brought my I brought my Steelers
jersey from their championship years because I'm excited. I'm jealous
that I didn't go to that I wasn't able to
do Challenge Many Live Saint Louis with you guys. And
I saw yet the game, and I saw the first
pitch is getting thrown out, and I saw Mark Long

(06:10):
almost taking the mascot's head off, and I saw Durrell
bounce it in, and then I saw Wes wes bergman
chirp in and say he's still got the best first
pitch out there, which I'm gonna just completely destroy when
we go to Pittsburgh and do the Pirates game. So
I was wearing my Steelers jersey here, although you guys
can't see it. Scott's back inside the closet and uh,

(06:34):
that's that. That's how we're rolling this time around.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, so my family's going on a little bit of
a vacation, so we want to get some episodes in
the can for you guys. However, all my kids are
done with school. I don't remember school getting done this early,
but all my kids are done with school. So you
have a full house, jam packed the kids running around,
so unable to get the Pristine video set up as usual,
So just banging out some audio. But I can attest
because I can see it. If Derek is wearing a nice, clean,

(06:57):
fresh Super Bowl edition Steelers jersey.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
It's not clean or it's not clean or fresh, it
is it is James Jrrison. Yes, Yes, it was the
I was wearing this when they won the championship and
he caught the interception to go into halftime. So he's
he's he's a defensive player, catches the interception. He's like
a lineman catches the interception. He's not a lineman. I
think he's a linebacker. He's a linebacker. Catch the interception

(07:24):
runs it like almost a ninety yards or something like that.
Maybe it was like sixty. I might be exaggerating, but yeah,
this is this is from from that year back then.
It's got some nice like you know, like some beat up.
You know it's beat up. It's old, but.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well it's better than the last one.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
The last time he rolled up to Pittsburgh wearing a
Steelers jersey, it was in Antonio Brown jersey. Who Your
mileage may vary on whether you find him to be
hilarious or a psychopath or maybe both. He's become probably
I will say love him or hate him. Probably the
most interesting post NFL or sports career Twitter follow for

(07:58):
all the wrong reasons, but like, yeah, right, I can't
think of anyone who just literally you will read the
most fucked up joke of the week on Twitter and
you'll go to see who wrote it, and you think
it's gonna be some troll from like someone's basement in Idaho,
No offense, Idaho, and it's no. It's ctespn's finest mister
Antonio Brown saying, like the most fucked up thing you've

(08:19):
ever heard about, like a presidential candidate or some like
you know, random woman on the streets in Nashville or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Yeah, he's definitely on Kanye West level of saying fucked
up shit. And as a joke, I wore that Antonio
Brown jersey that's never been worn that where I bought
it when he like he was good and he wasn't
that crazy? No, And I wore this. I took off
the tag and I wore the jersey to challenge Manu

(08:45):
Live Pittsburgh the first year and you know, wearn't it
as a joke, thinking no, maybe I get a laugh
out of this. And I took a poll out of
applause when I when I got up on stage and
I said, you know, should I keep this on? And
they were like, no, they're not they they don't love him,

(09:07):
So I took it off. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I will say though this, I will say if I
my memory serves me, I think like towards the end
of his career in Pittsburgh he started to go off
the rails, but the full like going real, you know,
taking off his shirt and jersey that was on the jets,
I think right or on the bucks.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Maybe it was at the Jets, right, it was with.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
It was it was with Tom Brady as his quarterback.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, so he was on the Bucks, but it was
at the meadow Lands here and and then obviously all
this stuff post career on social media.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
He was, I will say, for as big of a
lunatic as he's become.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
I remember for like well, I mean I had to
be at least six to eight years he was just
like he was the number one receiver in Fantasy for sure.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Like he was he was the best, the best.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Or among the top three to five best receivers in
the league for a good six to eight years for sure.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
So it's not just that. But okay, so you talk
about the first pitch.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
By the way, if you're coming to this podcast expecting again,
we don't have a guest here for you, but we
have had a slew of OG guests. Derek McCrae, Vinnie Fody,
We just had dunbar Merril, and we're trying to unearthed
and dust off a few more before season one comes kicking,
but we were unable to make it happen. In this
tight little window here we have for me, returning from
Saint Louis and then me going down to Florida for

(10:18):
a week, so we just wanted to put something in
the camp for you guys. We also have the full
audio from the Saint Louis show that's already up for
patrons at the fifteen dollars level or above.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
It will probably make its way to feed at some
point also.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
And then today, depending on when you're listening to this,
is our Boston pre sale, is gonna be a big
day of Boston tickets flying off the racks, starting again
with savage patrons, that diesel, all that stuff. So depending
on when you're hearing this, you might want to get
cracking on that. We got a great line up for
Boston on September twenty seventh. You're talking about the first pitch,
So here's something you might not know. I never thought

(10:51):
of this, but they were telling us this on a
recurring basis on Sunday, so I don't know if this
hit your desk d but in the past week or so,
the Cardinals also had the busting with the boys. Guys
throw out the first pitch and one of them completely
flanked it like fifty cent style, awful pitch, and then
the other one will comped in threw a strike down

(11:13):
the middle.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Okay, now, because his co host whose name escapes.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Me, another former football player, they have a great podcast
because he screwed it up so bad. That clip went
viral and has like millions of us so well going
into the pitches that they threw. And then after the fact,
all the Cardinals staff were telling us like, hey, like, look,

(11:37):
I know you're gonna be embarrassed, but if you have
a really bad pitch, like that's the one that people
are gonna see. Like, if you just have like a
pretty good pitch, no one's passing that around, like, look,
how good this fifty four year old athlete has been
on reality TV for thirty years.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Did no if you throw.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
It, if you were almost knocked the bird's head off,
that's the one that's going around.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
No, I'm not gonna say he.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Played it that way, but more people are talking about
Mark almost knocking the birds head off than they would
be if he threw, you know, a strike down the middle.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, got him waiting right, No.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
I look, I get it. I just it's it's just like, listen,
here's the thing. Look, how disappointed Durrell was that he
bounced it in there? And I don't know if you
watch Joshus.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Well the bounce the bounce, the bounce is the worst
of both worlds because the bounce is no, the bounce
is not impressive, nor is it pathetic enough to go viral.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
So the bounce is that And I'll give you I'll
tell you what.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Right before they did it, they actually had an employee.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I thought this was awesome by the way I was
telling him. I thought this was so cool.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
So a woman who worked with either in the office
or maybe the case. I honestly, I don't even want
to know say what she did because I don't even
want to like get it wrong. But she she she
worked for the Cardinals for forty years, right, and she
just retired I think last season, and they brought her
back to throw out a ceremonial first pitch. Now, this
is a woman. She looks like she's maybe in her seventies.
She was wearing a dress, she had her whole family there,

(12:52):
and she threw it and bounced it in. But for
someone her age and stature, like even getting it strike
down the middle with one little bounce, everyone plauded like
she just won the World Series.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
That cut to Durell doing a similar Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Here's the thing, at least at least Durrell. Like you
could see like you could see the pitch kind of
bounce in, like when Josh goes and posts his his uh,
you know, his his video and his compilation, uh first pitch,
first pitch at the ball field, in pitch at the
Pittsburgh Pate Sam and all the pictures with all his
buddies and Frasier and Betsie. You Actually he actually cuts

(13:30):
it before it gets to the dirt, before it gets
to the catcher because he bounces it in because he
is a former pitcher at the high school level and
he still can't get the job done. It's it's so
it's like it's like it's like to everybody, Like Mark's
was cool because he almost takes the mascot's head off
and he does it by accident and he throws some

(13:53):
steam behind it. Like I can purposefully go in there
at the at the Pirate Stadium and fucking chuck it,
you know, up, you know, into the net, Like I
could do that. I could probably if there's a mascot
standing in, I could like try to hit him, Like
I could try to hit him on purpose. I just

(14:13):
don't know how well that's gonna go over with the
Pittsburgh Pirates.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
They don't you like they do.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
I mean, look like if I if I purposefully bean
the mascot, which I think would be pretty funny, and
you got the wheels turned and like I could do it,
like I would go in and like I would touch
his head and make sure it's like it could take
the uh you know, it could take the impact. I'm
not gonna throw it ninety miles an hour, but no, look,
I've been hitting the face the fastball. Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
You know, I'll tell you what I can.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
I be honest, though, This is the flaw in your logic, right,
So if you were able to aim, ready fire and
actually hit the mascot in that head, which it's a
big head, but it's still like about the size of
a strike zone, then you could also probably just throw
like a deadsetter strike, which, as we see, only like
one out of every four people who throw first pitch does.
When you get up there and the jitters come in

(15:03):
and it's hard to hit a target like that. So
instead of being like, oh, I'm aiming for the dude's
head or whatever it is, head like, you know, it
should probably just be like, hey, I'm either.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Going for over the plate or I'm going for out there.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
And if it goes all the way to the right
and it gets near because here's what these mascots do
that's funny and that it works, is that if it
goes anywhere near the mascot, that mascot's going to jump
out of the way like it almost hit him.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
To turn it into a joke. Anyway, you know, what
if what if.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
I tell what if I tell him, hey, listen, can
I bean you? And he's like, yeah, do it, and
I'll sell it and make it look like like you
killed me.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
No, so I'll tell right out.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
They would like if someone over there is listening to this,
they're probably like, reconsidering letting you throw the first pitch.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
There's no purposely.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Hitting anyone, and I guarantee you Mark did not purposely
almost hit him. But no, this is not good for
our general people want to bring us into doucing, similar
to you guys jumping on the bell in Philly, which,
of course, to the naked eye looked like an awesome
photo op. How cool is that they're on top of
this ceremonial bell. But I can say in the moment,
they were like didn't want us to do a single

(16:09):
other thing that night, because they were like, these guys.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Are wild cards. We can let them near the court.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
What are these guys gonna do? One of them my
pants embeid. You know, So these these these these teams
and stuff. They don't like like plans going in for
stuff going haywire.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
If it happens by accident, that's one thing.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
But yeah, okay, all right, So speaking of stuff going haywire,
I show up to the airport Friday, was flying out
a little later than usual because it was my son's
last day at kindergarten. So instead of being on one
of the earlier flights, I was on a four to
fifteen flight. I get to the airport, I'm there for
a couple hours. They say, oh, now the flight's leaving
at five. I go down to the gate. I'm sitting
at the gate. There's no there's no gate agent, there's

(16:47):
no plane. I'm like, this is weird. They'n on like
four point thirty five. All of a sudden, they just
update the board. They're like, now the flight's leaving at seven.
I'm like, so I go back up to the lounge.
I go to talk to the people. They're like, oh,
there's a two hour way to talk to somebody, but
call this number. I call the number. I'm like, can
you tell them what flight we're waiting on to come in?
That's gonna be our flight. They're like, yeah, so and
so out of Raleigh whatever. I like, Okay, what when
did that flight leave? What time is that flight coming in?

(17:07):
They're like, oh, it hasn't left yet. I'm like, so,
what time is that supposed to arrive. They're like, well,
if it leaves, it'll arrive at seven forty eight. I'm like,
but you're telling us this flight's gonna leave at seven.
I was like, anyway, long story short. The next time
I called, they're like, oh, your flight was canceled, so
at around six forty five. I'm like, all right, can
you get me on the first flight out of the morning.
They're like, oh, sorry, that flight's already full because they
had already canceled another Saint Louis flight And now it's

(17:28):
so so what can you get me on?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Oh we can get you on Kansas City. Oh, we
can get you on this whatever.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Okay, Well, it wasn't gonna get me there in time,
so then I basically leave. I actually the first place
I went was to the budget a rental car counter.
I'm sitting at the on this huge line because my
plan was first plan was to rent a car and
drive fifteen hours through the night to Saint Louis.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
While I'm there, some other people who are looking into
flights and things like that, they go.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Oh, there's actually a Southwest out of Baltimore. So I'm like, Baltimore.
How do I get to Baltimore. Baltimore's four hours away, this, that,
and the other thing. Then I'm like, okay, maybe this
does LaGuardia flight to Baltimore, no sold out.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
The one flight to Baltimore via Southwest was this flight
on what was out of Icelip, which is Long Island,
which I've never flown out of, which is a small
Long Island airport, And it actually worked in my favorite
because since it was so small there were so few flights,
there was so few like kind of stuff working against
me as far as stuff getting canceled anyway. So as

(18:23):
you know, because I'm keeping you plugged in as well,
I had to get up at two thirty am on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Take at three o'clock.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Uber two hours into Long Island and get on this
six am flight. As the first person of the gate.
There's a plane there. I'm like, okay, good now. I
don't fly Southwest almost ever. Right to me, it almost
seems like a less predictable thing because you don't get
an assign see.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
You know, for whatever reason.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
It's kind of looked at as one of the sort
of step Child Airlines. Long story short, this flight left
at six at five point thirty.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
They start at five thirty.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
The pilot kind of leisurely walks through, gets bored whatever.
They start lining everybody up zone, this, your zone, that whatever.
When you go on the plane, you just pick your
seat like you're walking on a bus.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Right again, I've never done this right.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
I had to condense the merch bag that's normally this
big check bag into a small bag, and you know,
I put it in a thing it fits.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Okay, cool, I've got my seat. We get.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
We land into Baltimore at seven twenty. The flight out
of Baltimore boarded at seven thirty five. So I take
my little bag of merch, I run to the next gate.
I get there with six minutes to spare. Same deal
that flight like clockwork boards right at the time they
said it would. Everyone's on the flight within thirty minutes,
boom we take off. There was no like, oh, you're
in my seat, No, you're for whatever reason, when nobody

(19:35):
has the seat, everybody's quicker.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
I land in Saint Louis at nine to forty eight am,
get to the hotel at ten thirty literally, then leave
from the hotel at ten forty five with the guys
to get to the comedy club. Get to the comedy
club at eleven, set up, do the show at one.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
So barely made it, but did make it Helium Comedy Club.
It was a great show. Everyone was there, everybody else
made it on time. Frank in and out.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
He literally flew in Saturday morning, did the show, came
to dinner with us, flew out. Saturday night. We had Amber,
we had Durrell, we had Mark, we had West john A.
John A found out, Uh, this is a funny story
involved in the baseball team. So john A flew we
you know, booked her flight from from Nashville to Saint Louis,
and she took the flight on Friday. But then I

(20:21):
guess she found out, Oh, Nashville is only five hours away.
I guess her husband, Kevin is a Dodgers fan, and
they were playing the Dodgers. Oh she's like, She's like, oh, like,
are there enough tickets where if my family comes, they
can come. So so they end up driving, Kevin and
her two children drive Saturday night and then come to
the game on Sunday now here.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Now, it was adorable when you know her daughter.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Saying the taking out the ball game with us, her
kids were having a great time. We're all meeting in
the lobby to go to two people. I have to
call out for this. So we're all meeting in the
lobby to go to this game. Now, the Saint Louis Cardinals,
let me, we do a lot of these things with
different teams, this and that we are we are so
grateful for everything that they provide us, whether it's.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
The experience or whether it's swag or whatever.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Right, the Saint Louis Cardinals went above and beyond in
that they made a personalized jersey for all six of us.
On top of that game, they gave us like a
ton of extra hats. They gave us little kids jerseys
so like for john A's kids, I took a couple home, like, okay,
all this stuff so there's enough swag where there's nobody
should be in anything that doesn't have a red bird

(21:22):
on it.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Right, two people I got to call out.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
One is now I get this because he doesn't really
understand whatever.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
And he's a Dodgers fan.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Kevin, Johnny's husband, comes down to the lobby wearing a
Dodger's jersey and a Dodger's hat and like Dodgers And
I said, Kevin, I'm really sorry, man, you gotta go
up and change. I'm sorry, I go, look, I go.
You can if you want, bring that stuff in a
bag once we're in it, once we're in the suite, whatever,
feel free to wear it.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
But when we're walking through.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
The private metal detector entrance two hours before the game
saying hi to the employees and stuff like that, and
we're out on the field before, like.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
You can't be wearing that shit. So he was nice
about it. He changed. Okay.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Then Mike Colb so we had you know, helping us out.
We had Mike, we had Bill, we had Randa, we
had Hugh Tech. They all came to the game of
this two, all of them were wearing either regular clothes
or or some of the extra Cardinals swag we had.
Mike Colb comes down thinking he's slick in you Challenge
Mania Live Cubs shirt. Okay, so it's it's the Cubs logo,

(22:19):
but it says Challenge Mania Alive. Now, okay for the
sixty people in the stadium who know what Challenge MANI Alive.
Is sure, but it's still the Cubs logo. The Cubs
and the Cardinals are rivals, right and they're not even
playing the Cubs. So I say to him, I say, dude,
you got to take that off. He goes, is this
the only shirt I have? I go, I don't give
a fuck. Here's my room key, go up to my room.
So then he comes back down again. I guess, maybe

(22:42):
trying to be cute or maybe whatever. He's like, this
is the only one you had to fit me in
a blue and white Mark long shirt.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Blue and white, of course, are the Dodgors colors. But
I'll take it. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Fine, at least you're not wearing the other team rival shirt.
So yeah, So so both Kevin, who I think.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Was Kevin even said afterwards he goes. I get why
he said, Now that we're walking yeah, yeah, walking.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Through the bowels of the stadium and this that whatever,
and you're wearing Dodger stuff would look weird. But Mike
Cole thinking he's slick because he's a Cubs fan too,
so I know he was wanted to be able to
send a picture to his You want to be able
to send a picture to his cub fan friends and
be like when I wear yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Yeah, yeah, Well it's it's a it's a slippery slope.
It's tricky because even I saw you guys, because I'm
a Cubs fan. I'm from Chicago, die hard, die hard
Cubs and Socks fan, even though the Socks are one
of the worst teams in baseball. But and it's rare
to be both in Chicago, but I would when you
guys were singing the uh, you know, seventh inning stretch,
like I kind of like sang it with you or

(23:40):
just like watch you guys, and it said and you
guys said root root root for the And I'm just
naturally accustomed to say the Cubbies if they don't win,
it's a ship, Like I said, Cubbies, while you guys
sang it. While I watched you guys sing it, I was,
you know, being the the diehard that I am thought

(24:03):
that if I was ever, if I was going to
make this initially when I was supposed to make it,
I was thinking, I'm going to wear a cup shirt
underneath Mike Cardinals jersey as I throw out the first pitch.
Like that's the fucked up shit that I think about.
But uh, you know, that's that's why.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
This is why to me, I've look, I have friends
who they see me gallivanting around going to this game
and this game, and I'm always wearing all the team stuff,
and they're always like, you know, you're such a poser,
like whatever, how do you not whatever? And I go,
I go, look like, do I have teams that I
like and support?

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Okay, first of all, the the the awkward thing is
here in New York. Not only do none of these
teams hook me up with free tickets and free jerseys
and shit like that. Uh to even go to one
of these games with my son, you're talking about having
to take a loan out right.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
So there's that.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, these other teams in these other cities treat us
like royalty. They give us the swag, and all they
ask is that, for the most part, you either wear
their swag or you don't wear the competing teams swag
or their darkest rival swag, which I'm totally fine with. Now,
the one exception, I don't know if you guys saw this,
but now when we go out to Buffalo, we're not

(25:12):
actually guests of the Bills, right. What we do is
we partner up with Game Day Hospitality, this great company
there that does these tailgates. We're with them and they're
the ones who get us the postfield game field passes.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
So the one exception I don't know if you saw
these pictures was last September when they played the Jaguars.
I actually wore my Jaguars foco, you know, overalls and
whatnot and all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
But let me just say this. A.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
It's not like I was dressed in Jets or Patriots stuff, right,
And then B, I don't know if you know this.
Maybe this has happened with the Cubs over a few
years of down years.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
When you're a Jaguars fan or you're rocking Jaguars.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Stuff, people don't look at you as like, oh man,
how dare they kind of feel bad for you, right,
like they.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Almost feel like it's almost like seeing.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Somebody walking with a limp or something like, like they
don't and they're not threatened, right, not to mention they
blew us out fifty to three or whatever, but there
wasn't that sort of competitive thing. The other thing and
the other reason I felt okay doing it was last
the year before that when we went and they played
the Cowboys, and the Cowboys are a story franchise and
whether you know the Bills and the Cowboys played in
a Super Bowl or three or whatever, but like either way,

(26:16):
they weren't even that mean to the Cowboys fans. And
this tailgate company is great. They attract a lot of
away team fans because you know, they have a great
social media presence. They're very well advertised, and what they
do is they actually advertise heavily to the away team

(26:37):
because they know you're coming from out of town. You
probably don't have a truck, you probably don't have the
ability to tailgate yourself. Hey, why don't you come pay
for this great, all inclusive, all you can drink, best
food in Buffalo, wing eating contest, live band, all the shit.
So there's actually a lot of away team fans at
their tailgates, and the Buffalo fans are very welcoming to them.
If you notice, when you see highlights of these crazy

(26:59):
Buffalo tailgates, you're not seeing people fighting.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
You don't see them throwing people through tables. They throw
themselves through tables and.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Like, whereas like Philly, like I would not wear the
other team shit, regardless of who it was to Philly,
you know, especially the Eagles. So anyway, okay, long way
of saying, we are doing this again in just a
couple of weeks here Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Derek will be throwing
out the pitch and we're gonna be joined, of course
by Trashelle, who's in the news. We're gonna talk about
her in a second. Maybe that'll be our natural segue.

(27:28):
We've got Sarah Rice, the Challenge Mania Hall of Famer.
We've got Susie Meister, the Challenge Mania Hall of Famer,
Godfather Mark Long. We're doing that on Friday, June and
twenty seventh. If you want to get tickets to that
game to see the Mets take on the Pirates, I
believe we do have a special link you could buy
some discounted tickets are providing if you guys all want
to sit in the section together. And then of course

(27:48):
the following day celebrations banquet, bar and grill. Great venue,
we've done it before. Still tickets available at all ticket levels.
We'd love to see you guys there. This is our
last time in Pittsford for problem quite some time, so
we would love to see you guys there all afternoon.
I think we're gonna have some karaoke going, We're gonna
maybe do some beer pong, a lot of fun stuff
in addition to I think we'll have a photo booth

(28:10):
set up for some of the VIP tickets. A lot
of good stuff on the twenty eight of Pittsburgh at
celebrations tickets is always a Challengemania dot live so shouts
everybody who came out to Saint Louis. Great vibes, great people,
great staff at Helium. I was able to record the show.
I had to do it on my cell phone, but
I've already posted it to Patreon and people are saying
it sounds great. You can hear everybody perfectly, so that

(28:31):
will be making its way to the podcast feed at
some point.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
But yeah, shouts to Saint Louis, great city, great town.
They actually had. We didn't even realize this.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
We didn't go, but they On Sunday night after the
baseball game, there was the XFL, the XFL slash UFL,
the kind of other competing football league that the Rock
partially owns. They were having their Eastern Conference championship in
the dome that was near the hotel. A couple of
people nicely came and gave us some tickets or passes
or something, but you know, we didn't end up making it, but.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Shouts to everybody.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
We met some some long time challenge maniacs. For the
first time. Sir Darren was there. Sir Darren, very active
here on Patreon, got to meet him, saw some old favorites,
your Joel's and your Ryan's and your Kristen's. Shouts to
Kristen Ryan's wife who she was like, do you know
my name? And I was like, I know your Ryan's wife.
I feel like it'd be inappropriate for me to know
your name, but now I know it's Kristen. And we

(29:24):
had a great time Jordan, York. We had a great
time with everybody. Can't name everybody, obviously, but had a
good time. It was a great crowd and in a
great panel, and Wes had a lot to say about
ud I don't know if you know that we had
a long conversation about, uh did you see recently him
getting into it with Alan Geary about one of our
old episodes about the Dandy Jamis and stuff with the
steroids and things.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Talked about that a little bit.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Yeah, I mean, uh so what is he happy?

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Was he mad?

Speaker 4 (29:52):
What?

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Well?

Speaker 1 (29:53):
He went down that we you know, he kind of
you know, re educated some people and then educated people
about this long sort of quest he's had to just
disprove the rumors that he was on steroids at some time.
And he actually feels like responsible for that if, like,
you know, people thought, oh, he's on steroids and that's
why he's crushing it, that that's why people whether it's
Danny Jamison or whoever followed suit.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
And he just wants people to know that, no, he's
all natural.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
And he maybe maybe thought that you were under the
impression that the only way he could have beaten you
in that duel of the century was to do it
not the old fashioned way but the unnatural way.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
And ah so yeah, well, yeah, and and and that. No,
I mean he was probably he was in way better
shape than I was anyway. But like, if you want
anybody wants to revisit those I think back to back
to back podcasts, so you can. You can go ahead
and listen that to it to that yourself. I'm not
gonna dive back in there or anything.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
And it really is that is.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
You guys now have played again on the Challenge several
times since, or at least once on All Stars three.
He's been on the podcast, you know, a dozen times.
He's been to our live shows. You guys have clearly
hashed it out. But it's hard to believe that I
was saying this on stage the other day back in
twenty eighteen. Podcast is in its infancy. Were probably only
a few months in. He slides into my DMS. He's

(31:17):
telling me, oh, he's listening to the podcast. He mentioned
one hundred question Howard.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
I'm like, I'm telling you, I'm like, oh, I think
this guy that really does.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Listen to the show. He knows some of the patron's
names and stuff. And you I remember at the time
your spider sense went off. You're like, now he's got
some sort.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Of long game. You're just not seeing it now. Trust me,
don't trust this guy. Blah blah blah. And so we
had him on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
I remember on the flip side, he was very worried
that we were gonna like edit the podcast in a
way that made him look bad or cut out. He's like,
I want to make sure that I have final cooked
and if I say anything and I put Dirk in
his place, that you're not going to remove it. And
I'm like, I'm like, well, we don't remove anything unless
it's like spoilers or this or that. I can promise
you that you guys both were at such odds with

(31:57):
each other. It's hard to believe it now because everybody
feels somewhat copasetic. But go back, look it up from
twenty eighteen iconic two part episode where you guys are
hashing out, you know, fifteen years of history or whatever
it was at the time, live on the air that
as we now know, it's worked out and you guys
have matured very much since. But go and listen to those.

(32:19):
I've actually had a lot of people recently, you know,
obviously the Adam King podcast has come up, a lot
of people re listening to that. But I've had a
lot of people reach out and they just randomly ask,
They go, hey, have you guys ever had Beth on?
And it's like, yes, we have. Just go and search
challenge Mania Beth and they will come up if you
If you go to challenge Mania podcast dot com, that'll
take you to our speaker page. If you go to

(32:39):
Apple Podcasts, if you go to Spotify, wherever you guys
get your podcasts. Every podcast we've ever done exists there
in perpetuity for you to enjoy. So if you're ever
wondering have they ever had landed On? Just search challenge
Mania Landon. It will come up. Yes, we have had
them on your autins, your you know, people, a lot
of people who you would think, oh, maybe they never
talked to them, we have talked to now. Granted, there

(32:59):
are still some white whales out there we've never spoken to.
We're talking to some of them now and hopefully they'll
be coming on. But but you'd be surprised. And that's
the thing is that some of these folks who we
only maybe had on once, but it was a good one,
you know, you got to go and find it. Julie
Stoefer is another one, go and find that Joe Rhodes.
That's another one. So I like to think that a
lot of these interviews we've done, especially with those kinds

(33:20):
of folks, they're very evergreen interviews, right, Like, they're not
you know, the new podcasting norm is, let's have somebody
on to talk about the episode that just aired on Wednesday,
you know. And while that's great and all, and while
it's somewhat necessary, being that some of the times you've
had these people on, you know, a dozen times, and
that is sort of one way to cover podcasts and
shows and things. We sort of do our episode breakdowns

(33:43):
as one thing, and then we also do our guest interviews,
at least the majority of them, in a way where
hopefully you can go back and listen to something even
seven years later and it feels like it was recorded
three days prior.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
So all right, yeah, well, it's hard to do when
you've interviewed people three, four, five and six times, you know,
So those those one offs, like like Beth and like
all her you know, trying to figure out why I
don't like her, why you know, the beef between her
and Veronica and this and this person and that person

(34:15):
and her trying to figure out why people don't like her,
and me trying to figure out the best way to
to tell her why I didn't like it was. It's
all just kind of like difficult but awesome at the
same time. Same thing with the with the Wes interview.
Even you know, the Adam King interview was just absolutely
wild because of what we know about p Did he now?
But my question to you is about Frank. You just

(34:36):
had him in Saint Louis and and I guess, Wes,
what's what's what was his uh kind of you know demeanor?
Feel like did he enjoy the vibe? I know you
said he was in and out? Uh, you know, I
know that he seems like he's never gonna come back
to the Challenge. Just seemed kind of like, you know,
you know, one of those like if you didn't meet
Frank and Saint Louis this year or this time, you

(34:58):
may never meet him again. From kind of like you know,
the sounds of how he's going to approach the rest
of the Challenge universe.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Well, let me say this, So Frank announced this on stage,
so everybody there heard this, and then obviously anyone who
listens to the podcast still here this so I'm not
breaking any news entirely. Is that so him and his
husband are in the process of put getting embrios together
to have a baby. And that is a very long
process for a gay couple. You know, It's sad but

(35:28):
true that it involves a lot more moving parts and
a lot more steps, and you have to set up
a lot of things and whatnot even to you know,
have a surrogate and implant them and this and that whatever,
and it's like a multi year process.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
It's one that's very taxing, both financially emotionally. This and
that he.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Himself physically cannot do a lot of things that you know,
maybe spending a weekend with challenge Mania, you might get nudged.
You know, you're not allowed to You can't drink coffee,
he can't drink booze. You know, all this stuff that
you got to make sure that you're all physically right
to even be able to stash these embryos that end
up getting implanted and things like that. Again, stuff that

(36:03):
I assume obviously the average person and people have to
worry about.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
But obviously when you know that.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
In a lot of places, and you know they live
in Texas and things like that, where it's like any
excuse that I'm sure people can have to move you
further down the line, or to say no or to
not allow you to do what you want to do.
So we're rooting for them, and obviously I think that's
part of the reason. In addition to very busy work schedules,
Frank's got a great career. His husband ironically has a
great career, and he was they were like ships passing.
He was coming into Saint Louis to do some work

(36:30):
as well the following day, so these guys, and I
will say this, so he had a great time. I
think everybody he met, I think he was, you know,
was very pleased with a lot of the reaction. As
we know, a lot of the people who are mean
online either don't come to these or when they do,
they completely put on a nice face, or they come
home saying, oh, I don't know why I hated this person.
They're great in person. So I know he had a
great time for the seven or so hours that he

(36:51):
was with us. But I will say as far as
the challenge goes, I do think that Frank, and this
is probably the only way Frank wants to do it,
which I get, and we talked a lot about this
on stage, about how he was definitely one of, if
not these stars of All Stars. He did it in
a way where he clearly, you know, both in the

(37:12):
moment and after the fact, you know, was at odds
with a few people on the show, relationships that didn't
necessarily go well on the show, and then after the
fact having to deal with either those people directly or
those people's fans or just fans of the show who,
as we know, like to get down and dirty online,
like to get mean and spiteful and things like that.
And I do think that Frank may have I don't

(37:34):
know if he underestimated it or now he's just kind
of coming to terms with the fact that it is
hard to tread the line of Hey, I want to
be a working professional who works in you know, the
medical field and as a consultant and does physical therapy
and all this stuff and has a real job and
all this stuff, but I also want to be the
biggest villain on a reality show with a fan base

(37:56):
of hundreds of thousands of people who will say and
do nasty stuff both to you and directly at you.
Online and who knows where the line is of how
far they're going to go.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
So I do think he might have.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Flown a little too close to the sun with this
season as far as, like, you know, transitioning back to
real life. I think he may have underestimated, both cast
member and fan wise how much it would sort of
get toxic and how quickly that would happen. And you know, again,
when you have a very important real world life to
go back to, both professionally and now personally with everything

(38:35):
they're working towards with having the baby, you know, it
can be scary to be like, Okay, do I want
to be doing this? While also there are, for lack
of a better way of putting it, a lot of
people that are out to get me, you know, And
that can be on the cast member level, where you know,
you have a rough time with the cast member who's
out to get you, and then by nature their fans
are out to get you.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
And then also this like.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Fans who whether they are truly out to get you
or not, the comments and the and this and that
really make it feel like they are. So I think
I do believe Frank for a while now, at least
probably till they get through this process. I do think
he had a very fulfilling experience on All Stars five.
There's not really a great what if other than the
partner thing. Someone I think asked him, actually would he

(39:16):
want to do it if it was individual because I think,
you know, you could read through the he leaves there.
Does he kind of blame Sam for not being able
to get the job done at the end, And no,
I just think for now he's good, He's done. He's
probably going to dissans himself from it.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
For a while. This was probably the last hurrah.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
If I had to guess, he probably said yes to
this not knowing how much sort of further he would
feel for minute the time, And kudos to him to
not like, you know, wind a cancel or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
But if you.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Remember, Derek, I don't know if you remember or if
you were as plugged in at this time, but for
the first you know, at least seven episodes, maybe even
through the whole season, Frank was doing his own Instagram
lives on Wednesdays that essentially functioned as a podcast where
he would have he'd bring in either Ashley or Nicole
or Big T or whomever and they would do like

(40:02):
a kind of a four way live breakdown of the
episode every Wednesday, so he was full on in like,
not even just with the episodes that were airing, he
was doing his own deep dives after and then somewhere
along the way it got toxic enough where he shut
down his Twitter, stopped doing the Instagram lives. He went
and did the Zach Nichols podcast, but other than that
has not really been out there and accessible at all

(40:23):
up until last Saturday.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
So kudos to him for coming.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I think he had a great time, But I do
think that this experience was a bit of maybe a
wake up call for him that it might not be
possible to exist in this world with the role that
he wants to exist in, which is sort of like lead, heel, villain,
whatever you want to call it, and also be able
to just you know shut you know, shut your eyes,
wake up the next day and now you're living a
regular life like that.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
That line is hard to tread these days.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Yeah, No, I mean we see it all the time,
and like you said, it's very underestimated. Unless you've like
felt the fire, you don't know what it feels like
for people to come after you. And shit on you
and you know, talk about your family and and and
come after you and in that kind of way. And then,
like you said, you go to sleep, and I thinking
about that fucked up thing that that one person said

(41:11):
that you probably shouldn't really care about because they're, you know,
just some angry, spiteful person in the middle of nowhere
that has like a you know, is angry at the world.
And you're taking that, you know, into bed at night
and you're thinking about it, and you're losing sleep over it,
and it's affecting you in your daily life. Now, imagine
getting like thirty of those comments or hundreds of those comments,

(41:33):
like and then you have to live like that, Like
people really don't know what it's like to, you know,
come off these shows after being there for X amount
of time and going through this like anxiety ridden game,
and then having to relive it and and relive your
mistakes and maybe relive some of the things that you
really don't like about yourself. But you're putting on an

(41:55):
act or trying to be lead heel or something like that,
and you're like, Wow, I think I maybe bit off
more than I could chew with this one. And you know,
maybe took it too far. I don't know if I
can do this again or however many times I can.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Well, it's also it's probably the I mean, look, here's
the thing, like we saw.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
People shut down. That's why people shut down their twitters
and and take social media breaks and stuff like that,
because it becomes overwhelming. People are nasty out there.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Well, so okay, I'm gonna draw parallel here to something
I assume most people listening to this watched last week
live before our eyes on social media. No matter what
side of the aisle you sit on, I think everybody
probably watched as Donald Trump and Elon Musk's relationship crumbled
and then immediately went to Twitter to get nasty, toxic,
and dirty.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
The only reason I.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Mentioned it is because didn't it remind you of a
challenge like Twitter war? The idea that we're sitting here
and we watched the like, whether it's the you know,
I'll just throw a couple of names out here, but
they've all been involved in them, whether it's the Jemmy's
or the Amanda's, or the Marie or the Cory's, or
the Jordan's or even the whomever, the Derek's or the
Who's ever and like where it goes to deaf Con
five so quickly right where it goes from hey you

(43:04):
said this, you said that, and then that first person
goes for the juggular where they drop their version of
the hey guess what so and so's in the Epstein files, boom,
drop the mic whatever, And it's like, how.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
By the way, you're a child molester.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
How quickly it goes from right, How quickly it goes
from hey, I don't like that bill that you push through.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
To that right?

Speaker 1 (43:25):
And it reminded me of that because it reminded me
that in two ways, which is which is one the
challengers and the reality fans and and everybody always do
that right where they go from they go from oh
you didn't look good on camera, or that elimination was
bad to all of a sudden like oh, that's why
you're getting a divorce or whatever, and they go to
that line. And then once they go there, the next
person now has to go, oh, well, you must be

(43:46):
on drugs or this or that or whatever, and then
and then we're all just sitting here, and because there's
no other way to do it, you're kind of sitting
there with one eye open, you're cringing. But a lot
of people sit there with the bowl of popcorn to
say fee yeah or Phoebe Moore, we love.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
This yeah, And there's no emotional attachment.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, And there's.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
No going back after that, Like that's the thing, and
sometimes there is and like, look, there's a long list
of relationships that have gone up and down and this
and that where you're like, wow, how could you guys
possibly be friends after this person said this or this person.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Said that and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
But sadly, with reality TV, a lot of people feel
like it's their right to just sit back and whether
they're looking through the lens or the screen of the
television when the show's on, or the screen of their
phone or their computer watching on social media, that people's
disputes and their hate and their insults are sort of
all for their.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Entertainment and that because of that, you know, it is. Look,
it's like whether.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
You're you know, having some of the most important positions
in the world and you own billion dollar companies and
you're responsible for taking people to Mars or you're the
president of the United States, like people are just gonna
sit back and watch you implode with a back of
popcorn in their hand, and they're gonna do that, whether
you go back to you know, running your own podcasts
or being a personal trainer, or you're a you know,

(44:58):
very you know, a student professional, whether it's physical therapists
who's trying to have a baby and this and that,
and so when everyone's sort of rooting against you and
rooting for your life to crumble and maybe sliding into
that person's DMMS to say, hey, you know what Frank
said to you on that podcast about you on the podcast, Like.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
People are trying to fuel the fire as much as
they can, you know.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
And then and they can't wait for a response too.
And once you give him a response, they that that,
you know, that's just.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I saw Nurice did so Nourice, who we love.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Nurice shouts and nourise so she uh, she responded to
one of my tweets. But but also I saw her
just going just going in on someone.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
She responded pretty nicely to mine. I was just clarifying.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
I don't know if you I don't know if you
saw this, but uh, I guess Erasio was posting that
he feels like, you know, how outspoken he was last
year about your guys elimination and this and that and
the other thing. And look, he did, I think he
did cross a few lines when it comes to that
last year. You know, they don't love people going out
there and accusing things of being rigged or this or
that and the other thing. And if you go back

(46:00):
and read that Entertainment Weekly interview, he did sort of
imply that, if not flat out say it. And look,
we've talked about before. It won Podcast of the Year
him coming on the podcast. You guys watching the footage,
it all got cleared up, but you don't know how
much they care about those initial statements that he made
and then Nurice made and things like that. He I

(46:20):
think posted publicly that he hasn't been called for the
challenge since. And all I said was that, I mean,
you guys were on season forty. There's only been one
season since. It is not uncommon that people are given one,
if not two, if not three seasons off. And all
I was saying is, without giving away too much, there
are not a lot of people in Erassio's bucket. And

(46:44):
when I say that, I mean people from Erasio's season
or season or two later, or people from season thirty nine.
If you want to say like that, that are gonna
be on season forty one. So all I said was
he shouldn't take it personally, and he probably shouldn't double
down and make it worse even say that part I
just said. I just said, look, not a lot of
people from Arasio's generation around season forty one. He should

(47:05):
take it personally. And then Nurse kind of I don't
want to say clap back, but responded saying, like you know,
he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
He wasn't. He's not taking it personally. He was just
stating the facts. Okay. But I did see her out
there going after.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Some other woman, and I know if you saw this
back and forth where you know they're posted, people said
each other, she's talking about this person's ugly in this
and take your no, take your maga ass back to wherever,
and blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
And and so again.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
And that's her right to do so, because then I've
said this before I go. Do not say something in
the reise if you're not ready for her to clap
back at you going out of miles out, because she will.
But I do think that you know, we foll look, okay,
let's transition into this Trachelle Jordan, Johnny Josh thing, because
this is one that I think bordered on I don't
think it ever got fully toxic, but this had everything

(47:51):
that people look for in one of these like social
media drama things, because it was some of it was
in video form, right, some of it was in nice
block sort of response for him, clapback for him. I
actually heard rumors that Trachelle had her own video clapback
that she was advised not to throw out there because
it would have just been a it would have been
an end all. She would have she would have crashed him.

(48:13):
But either way, here's to summarize. So, Jordan, mister outspoken
as he often is, came out recently and was talking
about how the Challenge has been in the Gods if
you will have been kind of standing in his way,
and that he's had teams of other shows flat out
say that they've reached out to the Challenge Gods and
been told, no, you can't use Jordan.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Effectively, we owned Jordan.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Johnny had sort of a joking clapback, you know, joking
you know about you know, not being able to do
the Mormon Wives show, and then and then uh, and
then as we know, not to say this disproves what
Jordan is saying, but Josh, who also appeared on season
forty just you know, had a cup of coffee on
Destination X. Unfortunately he didn't make it to Destination B

(48:56):
or C or D. I think he lost in the
first episode.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
But he was on it.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
And there are other cast members out there filming other
shows we can't talk about right now, and it's been
very widely discussed that Ashley Mitchell, who not only was
on All Stars five but I can say in general,
is just very much probably in the thick of an
exclusivity deal with the challenge is being allowed to do
how civilians in a way where how Civilians does something
a lot of shows don't do. They announced their cast

(49:22):
two weeks ago. They haven't even filmed yet, so that
is right before the taking. If they wanted to step
in and say, hey, actually no, you can't do that,
they could do that, right They haven't even started filming yet,
and clearly she's getting a green light to do that.
So whether this is specific to him or on a
case by case basis, I don't know if that makes
it better or worse. Jordan feels like he has had

(49:43):
some opportunities walk out the door because of the way
the challenge God's treat him.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Trichelle steps in. She had just a kind of paraphrase.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
She said, Hey, look, honey, I've been doing this the
early two thousands when I was the first person to
transition from MTV onto other shows like you know, the
Surreal Life and World Series of Poker and all these
other shows. And they did not like it at the time,
but that is not how the world works, and they
they eventually you know, you can do it if you
do it the right way.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
She also, of course, famously did get to do Traders.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
I'm pretty sure she wasn't on an exclusivity at the time,
but she brought in. She was brought in, she did Traders,
and I will say, as sort of the ultimate mic
drop of it is that here she she won Traders.
She did as well as you could do on Traders
alongside CT and they represented the challenge well.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Johnny Bananas also on that season. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
He then gets back at Trichelle saying, you know, you're
kind of irrelevant. Now nobody knows who you are. You
starts counting her followers. How did you win Traders? You
only have X amount of followers. You know, He's been
in a ton of Tyler Perry movies and done TV
and this and that, which again, you know again is
definitely true. He's a very accomplished person, does a lot
of things outside of the Challenge world. He just for
fun decided to become a race car driver. And so

(51:00):
where do you sit on this? Because I've talked about
it at linked on various Challenge Accepted podcasts and whatnot,
a lot of other cast members have stepped in and
given their kind of two cents.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Where do you stand on this?

Speaker 1 (51:09):
I know obviously you're someone you don't like to rock
the boat, but when you watch all this transpire, what
went through your head?

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Well, well, you know, Trichelle and Jordan are kind of like,
you know, the goats of their era in some ways,
except Trochelle's been doing it for much longer. Jordan is
kind of like the goat now. And what Chrischelle has
basically proved is that you can do whatever you want, Jordan.
You can you can piss off production and go on

(51:41):
and do whatever you want. And I understand he's saying
they're not letting me do whatever I want. Well, wait
that you're out or whatever it is, whatever your contractual
obligation is, wait it out. Do what she did, get
on all these other shows, Do it how you want,
and say goodbye to the challenge and don't come back.
It's it's okay. Trochelle did it. And then when Trichelle
was asked back to come do All Stars, she did

(52:04):
do All Stars. And then once she got asked back
to do future challenges, she said no. Why did she
say no? Because she wanted to get paid more money
and whatever they're offering is what they offer, you know,
the tear system. She felt she she was worth more,
so she said no.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
So if Jordan wants to say no, you know, continue
to you know, be the you know, the the beacon
that that says, you know, production is wrong.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
They're doing this wrong, they're doing that wrong, just like
any other workplace. Then I guess you go find another
job and keep racing cars and keep making movies and
you know, keep doing what you're doing. I think that
Trischelle is basically the one that showed people that that
can be done, from Real World to Surreal Life to

(52:57):
all the other shows she's done in the past twenty
five years to just recently twenty five years later, she's
doing Traders, the show that you want to be on,
and she's winning it. So it's like she actually has
the trump card. She it won the show that you
want to get on that you can't get on in

(53:20):
this moment right now. Yes, Jordan is the Challenge go
He's been and he's so outspoken against the Challenge and
some of the things that they're not doing you know,
properly or inconsistently or whatever. But to be honest, like
the show's been the Challenge has been on for forty seasons,
right like, they're going to continue to evolve, make things better,

(53:44):
make you know, you know, probably find ways to you
know again, make you know, make things more comfortable. I
go on these situations like and I you know, maybe
I don't agree with a lot of you know, some things, right,
but I'm not gonna go out there and you know, basically,
bite the hand that feeds me and has fed me

(54:05):
for twenty years, that has its.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Actually actually for you, for you, And what's interesting is
you are in either even a different boat where you know,
the phrase that was actually was used on stage this week,
bite the hand that feeds you. That that I will say,
the bite the hand that feeds you in that Okay,
you do the challenge. When you do the challenge, they
feed you literally figuratively and also with money.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
But also with you.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
They are also allowing you to feed yourself in a
way where, if they wanted to, they could make this
operation we have harder than it is for us already. Right,
it's already hard to it's already hard to book guests
to do this already.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
That's just based on scheduling, availability, interests, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
It would be a lot harder.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
If they sent out one fucking email and may and
and and said, Hey, just so you know, we don't
want you do in the challenge media podcasts.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
If you do, we're gonna be upset with you. They
don't do that. Why do they not do that?

Speaker 1 (54:56):
A They probably value what we do here. B they
probably like you. And see, they don't think that we're
out here complaining about them in the show the whole time.
So the fact that he's out there almost exclusively when
talking about the challenge, he's doing it negatively, and he's
doing it in a way that's a lot of behind
the curtain stuff like, he's probably not high on their
list of people they want to make exceptions for, right

(55:18):
Ashley Mitchell, If I have to guess, it's probably a
mixture of because Ashley is the one example where I
would go she's sort of more like Jordan than you
in that when she's out there talking like she was
just talking after All Stars, she was complaining about Anissa
and Torri getting the episodes early and things like that.
She's kind of a squeaky wheel in her own right.
She's not someone who treads the line, plays the line

(55:39):
like you do. But what I will say with her
is I do think that there's a bit of a
gender inequality thing when it comes to the optics of
who gets to do these other shows. And right now
it looks like Johnny gets to do whatever he wants,
Wes gets to do whatever he wants, Mark ct and
then occasionally you get at Trischelle. But Trischelle was not
on an exclusivity when she did Traders. There's not a

(56:00):
lot of women out there representing the challenge on a
lot of these shows. So I do think part of
the reason that Ashley got the green light for that
is on one hand, they're probably like, do we want
Ashley out there complaining like Jordan is no? And also
do we want it out there? Do we want the
optics of However, it is that Johnny and Wes and ct.
And I know that a lot of it has to

(56:20):
do with the savvy nature of their contracts to begin
with and the people who represent them. Do we want
it to look to the naked eye like we only
let guys go and do this stuff? And the answer is,
I can tell you I can speak for them. No,
they don't want that because that is a shitty look.
And so I think they're getting more open to some
of these opportunities.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
I do know.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
I don't know if she's doing season four as well,
but I know the woman who show ran season three
of How Civilians? Was it season two or three? No,
this is season three, so season two House Civilians. The
showrunner is someone who has done every season of the
Challenge for the last twelve years, and then she went
over to do House Civilians. I'm sure there's probably a
little bit of synergy there as well.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
And then when it comes to.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Traders, it's one of those things where like, here's the
other thing Trichelle did flat out say, and this is
where I do think your mileage can vary how much
you agree with everything she said. She said she doesn't
believe that they were even interested in him, that he's
not the kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
The Traders would want, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
I disagree there because I do think that Traders wants
big names, right, they want people who have succeeded in
the world of a show. Yes, do they want great
characters and people who would be good on Traders, Sure,
But do I think that they would be more apt
or more eager to take a Jordan, who has probably
the best challenge resume of all time, and especially once

(57:37):
you've already used Johnny ct West, et cetera. I think
they would be more interested in a Jordan than let's say,
a Devin, or let's say like someone's sort of a
savvier social player who might even be better suited for Traders,
because I do think they want like the best of
the best, right, like they brought in Jeremy Collins from Survivor.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
You know, I think that. So I do disagree there.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
I do wholeheartedly leave that he's someone who would have
been on their short list and whatnot. But I also
do agree with Jordan in the sense that I do
think that, like, it's possible that if somehow along the way,
when he was on their list, someone reminded them, hey,
you know, he's still on an exclusivity or whatever, do

(58:19):
they then move him further down the list because they
don't want to have to deal with the smoke if
it's going to be there. That's also possible too. He's
not the first person know to claim that this is
the reason they're not on Traders. I don't think it's
as simple as that. I think there's about fifty people
that they think about and when they, you know, weed
it down to twenty people. I think some of it
is are they willing to do it for the money

(58:40):
we're offering, are they completely free of any contractual obligations,
or have they gotten the official sign off from their
other employer.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I think this stuff matters a little bit.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
I just don't think it's the end all be all,
And I also think that Jordan it would behove him
to probably look into his next whether it's with the
Challenge or whoever.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
He should probably look at it the.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Way that Johnny and Wes and CT and some of
these other people have looked at it because clearly they
have different terms than he does, and he is certainly
on the level of those guys. It's just he seems
to be the one guy who's on that, like you know,
Mount Rushmore of Challenge success and notoriety, who still like
sort of acts like Paulie on social media when it

(59:21):
comes to the like complaining about why I.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Didn't get this or why I didn't get that.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
And it's like what those other guys have in common
in addition to winning the show a lot, being very popular,
having good standing with the Challenge gods is you rarely
see them complaining.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Like you don't see Johnny Bananas complaining.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
You don't see the old fashioned way at least you
see him taking subtle digs. You see him kind of
doing whatever he wants out there, sometimes spoiling the show
by accident, cet. You rarely see him out there complaining. Wes.
Wes chose the line more than anybody. He's out there
covering the shows he's not even on, you know. And
so these guys know how to play the game that

(59:57):
the non challenge game, the sort of every other day
the year game a little bit better than he does.
And I think it's kind of a mixture of both.
But I don't agree with Rachelle that traders wouldn't be
interested in Jordan, because I do think when you're going
down the line of success on the on the show,
he is next on that list for the mails if
I had.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Yeah, yeah, but but you wonder, like also like if
if these are these other shows, watching these you know,
these him getting like really upset about I don't know
whatever he said the other day not eating for thirteen
hours or something like that. You know what, what's the
you know, what's what? You know, what's the full story

(01:00:33):
on that? Like is he gonna do that? You know
with these shows? Is he going to do that to
them if like they he doesn't like something that they
did or however they you know, run their their their
operation and and yeah, I guess the rebuttal would be,
while I'm not talking shit about all these other shows,
just this one, the one that's paid me the most money,

(01:00:54):
the one that's you know, essentially yes, put me through
the most, but also you know paid maybe paid me
the most, right in a sense. So it's I also.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Think that these shows don't. I mean, like dark you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Wonder, I don't know, I don't know how, you don't
know how deep they're they're looking to it. Love Island
just had to, you know, just kicked someone off of
you know, for racist rants from from years ago that
they just found out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
So yeah, well you know, you know, well here's how
they just found out, right, So they do their deep
dives and their and their social media scrubs and their
background checks or whatever, and they do all that and
then they green light someone they put them on the show.
But until they're on the show, you don't have the
seven hundred thousand Twitter spies out there looking to unearth
every single thing that may have already been deleted but

(01:01:39):
that they screenshot all the way back. So what happens
is you notice all the time that when someone, you know,
after the fact, they get announced for something and then
everything comes out, is because nobody wants Nobody cares about
potentially ruining your next job. They care about taking something
away from you that you already have. So when someone
is announced as being on something, that's when people really

(01:02:02):
start doing these deep dives. Did you see this grid
that came out some survivor super dorks came up with.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
It's like a spreadsheet.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
And it is color coded in blue to red or whatever,
and it's every single person who's you know, they just
recently announced who's going to be on Survivor fifty and
it's every single person based on how liberal too conservative
they are, or how democrat to maga they are, whatever,
based on everything that they've ever said or done, or

(01:02:32):
every account they follow or whatever. It is the cringiest
thing I've ever read. It includes things like, oh, this
person's favorite movie is The Bird Cage, so they must
be a democrat. Like it's really weird. Things like oh,
they follow this, they follow barstools, so they have a

(01:02:55):
little bit red like whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
It's like. So, yeah, it's crazy cringe stuff that they
just put out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
But that's how much people care once you have the opportunity, right,
so people try to tear you down.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Apparently, the you know, the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Woman on Love Island, it was you know, some some
racist tweets use the N word or something like that,
and but again she was out there filming already. Once
they removed her, we'll see how they treated it on
the show. I forget if it's a live to tape
show or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
But I figure it was a lot. I thought it was.
I think this is live, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Is it? They film it live like Big Brothers?

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
But yeah, but no, I know she's out, But I'm saying, like,
I wonder if do they have enough time to just
remove her completely or are they just going to have
you know, the host step in and say, hey, we
figured out that she you know, said whatever. But that's
what happens when people come after you once they really
feel like there's something to take from you. You know,
when people are out the game, people don't really care
as much as they do when they see that you're

(01:03:44):
in the game, or you might be taking a spot
from somebody they like and whatnot. But here's what I'll say, Derek,
you've been in the running to do other shows that
the opportunity presented itself. You made yourself available, right, I
remember we were you know, remember, oh shit, maybe I'm
not even gonna be able to go of the saying hey,
let's start looking.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
At flights whatever. Yeah, And then and then eventually they go, sorry,
you know, we're gonna go with someone else there and say, okay,
correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
You never actually find out they these shows would never
say to you any any actual reason for why they're
not using you. And to me, that includes the the
the contract thing, like they very rarely say, oh, we're
going with this person instead, or it's whatever. They just go, oh,
wasn't a great fair. They're very broad and vague because
they never know if they're gonna have to call you

(01:04:27):
the next week or for the next season.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Yeah, I mean, even even with with the challenge, it's
like it's it's one of the hardest things to go through.
That's why you know, when when you you know, talk
about like Harasio, you know, not getting a call one
for one season, or you're not being contacted since for
one season, it's like a lot of us, you know,

(01:04:50):
don't you know, don't come. I didn't, I wasn't there
for ten seasons. I made a mark on the show
and then didn't come back for ten seasons and then
essentially did three All Stars and then come back for
ten seasons later for another show. So it's like and
and also when when they call for your availability and
then you know it's it's you're two weeks away, three

(01:05:11):
weeks away, and you hit them up and you're like, hey,
Am I done? Am I out? Can I stop, you know,
worrying about going on the show, and then they finally
tell you, yeah, you're you're you're off the cast list officially,
you know, it's it's a form of relief. But at
the same time, they don't tell you, you know, why

(01:05:31):
you know. They're not like, oh, and you always want
to know why you know, because like, don't you think
that in.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
This instance though, it's kind of a little bit of like, Okay,
I don't doubt that he's heard through the grapevine that
the challenge when asked or presented or and look, I
don't even think these shows are formally like this is
the thing Trichelle said that I agree with. It's like,
I don't think Traders is reaching out to Survivor about
getting people from Survivor. I don't think they're reaching out

(01:05:57):
to people to the challenge. Gods, they're not hitting up
Julie Peasy and saying, hey, can we borrow Jordan for
a few weeks?

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Yeah, I think I think what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
I think I think I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Yeah, I think they're reaching out to a cast member
directly or their manager or representation and then that person
is doing the due diligence of could I get in
trouble for doing this? Am I still owed money from
this other show that might not come to me because
the other great what if is this? I personally never
think that, whether it's MTV paramount, you know, Marie, I

(01:06:27):
don't think they're ever going to actually sue a person
for doing another show.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
No, I really don't.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
Yeah, but look like in Jordan's in Jordan's case, like
they could adopt him his pain, you know, like all that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Well if he still has pay coming.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
That's my point, is I saying that they could adopted
this pay for even things that he was saying, you know,
during the season that he won. You know. So it's
like when you want it, when you talk about like
like appreciating what they've given you, and and then uh,
you know, waiting your your your contract out, which is
I think just a year. That then that's what you do.

(01:07:02):
Like I think the Survivor contracts are a year. I
think the Big Brother contracts a year. I think the
Challenge contracts are a year. So and it's like it's
like then just you know, just wait it out. You know,
you don't have to go online and just fucking I
just let everyone know how mad you are about it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
I think it's this also think this is what I
think about Jordan, to kind of put a bow on it.
It's like, is that maybe one of several reasons why
they decided to go in a different direction, you know,
But unless he was literally had his bag packs packed
for Scotland and thought he was on the cast and
then and he was told verbatim, hey, we looked into it,
you're not contractually available. We have to go with someone else.

(01:07:39):
Unless it's that, I think it's kind of also hoping
that that's the only thing standing in your way. It
could also be that, yes, that's a component to it,
but they also found somebody who was better suited, you know,
It's not like ther Look, Wes was the only Challenge
cast member on season three.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Yes, they had three on season two.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
But I truly believe that Trishalle was looked at more
as like an MTV Real World icon, And so it's
very possible that it's not really what is standing in
the way of him doing Traders or these other shows,
but that he's wishful thinking hoping that it's that, because
that's the thing he can't control, you know, and look,
you can't really control the other things as well. But
sometimes it's just your personality or your likability, or how

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much of a squeaky wheel you sound like it. Maybe
they sit there thinking, do we want this guy coming
home from Scotland complain in that, you know, we put
him up in a courtyard Marriott and pretend that they
live in the castle.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
You know, do we really want that guy having the
keys to our secrets? You know?

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Secret spiller McGee over here, speaking of drama, did you
see Tyree's response to our Dunbar podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Yeah? I was surprised because did you watch the video?
Did I watch the video? I used the video? Wait
a minute, he made a video.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Oh you didn't see it. I don't think it's still up.
But Tyree so so first he went on eight. By
the way, I'm coining this term, he went on a
Tyrade on on Twitter live, tweeting him listening to the episode.
I will say, I'm very flattered by the fact that
it was like two hours after we posted it, so
must have Again, if I had to guess, if I
had to guess, there's someone listening to this right now

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who probably like slid into his DMS and was like, hey,
you need to listen to this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Immediately, He was.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Very caught off guard by not just the way Dunbar
was throwing him under the bus, which I will say,
let me just say this now, formally, Dunbar is talking
about a challenge. He threw the fact that he worked
in so many digs at Tyree, talking about how Tyree's
not a great athlete. Tyree an athlete, don't go in
the same sentence, I didn't want to be Tyree's partner.
I do think it's a little fucked up that, like,

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you're talking more about Tyree sucking when really the story
is that you guys would have run through them in
that elimination and maybe even had a good run on
the season, and maybe you deprived Tyree of what would
have been his best run on the challenge ever, and
in the process of doing that, you're not like apologizing
for it, You're continuing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Your shit on Tyree. So I completely agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
He was also a little bit hurt by the fact
that you and I kind of sat there and kind
of giggled along with him, and neither of us, you know,
stood up for Tyree.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
It's it's also hard to like remember like what had happened.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Well, I didn't remember it at all, but so true.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
But truthfully, when he put up the video of the elimination,
I was like, Oh, this is what I'm gonna use. Uh,
let me get that clip, let me get that elimination
and let me get him talking about throwing the elimination,
because you know, I do think that it's I think
it's fucked up. I think it's fucked up that he
threw the elimination. And you know, like again, just like

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I said, like, it smears Tyree's uh, you know, watch record.
It smears it, you know, because you know this guy
wanted to not play the game.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Tyree's Look, it's it's tough.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
It's tough out there for this guy because look, he
like I'll say it, I've said to him on the
on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
He knows it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
He doesn't have the most illustrious challenge performance career. He's
not someone who Look, this is what I think I
I took umbrage with after the fact, and I should
have said something in the moment, same thing Tyree probably
did the whole like, oh, Tyree, an athlete, don't go
in the same sentence, Tyree was an athlete, then he
is an athlete. Now he's very much it works in
the fitness field. Now he obviously the challenges that he

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took part in not very well suited for his skill set.
And then you throw in the wildcard like this having
a partner throwing it, having to be partners with.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Jazzm and things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
And my point is that so he is someone who
is I will say, it gets a very bad look
from not just cast members, but Challenge fans as well.
You see people like Alanageary out there writing like you know,
op ed saying the ten worst Challengers of all time,
he's number one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
And Tyree is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Someone who's very active on social media. He reads this stuff.
I think he's a great guy. He's been on the podcast,
he's been to live shows. So I'm saying I think
one of us should have at least said something like,
all right, well.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Let me say here, let me say let me say here.
It had dunbar, not one cutthrow, which might be the
one of the most surprising Challenge champions ever. If Alan
Geary has a list, he might be at the top
of most surprising Challenge champions. Uh, you know, he doesn't
really have the best track record either. He doesn't have
the best win loss record. He's not one of the

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best you know, uh, you know athletes himself.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
You know, So you know, I think I think I
think it was.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
Very surprising to hear how much he you know, kind
of blamed or you know, said that he you know,
he was trying to lose and and Tyree wasn't you know, helping.
I mean, if anything, Tyree was helping the situation because
they you know, they continue to fight, and he did.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
So it's like, so the other video he did and
I guess you didn't see this, So he did a
video it's just him talking to the camera where he
basically says he basically calls Dunbar out and is like,
I'm you know, next time I see you, we're going
to settle this in the streets. Like he's basically like, yeah, yeah,
he doesn't call him by name, but you know, you
know who's talking about. And he's like, you know, so

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you know, look, maybe maybe one day we get to
see a Tyree versus Dunbar pol wrestle. You know, who
knows it would be a fun one to see because
I think you know that would that would settle a
lot of debates over who costs who their next child's
championship that day. But I will say this, I personally
feel bad for not at least saying something along the
lines of like shotsa Tyree, Tyree's a good dude, or
like you know, who knows what would have happened had

(01:13:15):
you not thrown that. I did say something I think
kind of got stepped on. I said something along lines
of that particular elimination was perfectly suited for both you
and Tyree. You see how closely, how close they came
to winning it, even with him letting them go by.
So anyway, I understand why Tyree's is pissed as he
is at Dunbar. He was a little pissed at us

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as well. We've since smoothed it over. I talked to
him a little bit about it, so shouts to Tyree.
All right, let's get to some questions. We have a
ton of questions that we gathered over at Challengemaniacs dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
I do a lot of Q and a's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
You do not do as many these days, so we
have a lot of questions directed at you. A variety
of subjects are kind of all over the place, so
we will bounce around.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
But what's your heart out today? D how long do
you have?

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
Well, we just got pushed out, so I got some time.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Okay, perfect, all right, so here we go, Louise, I
love this question. This is a great question given the
cash prize of Dirty thirty, which, as we know you
coming in second versus first, was a swing of four
hundred and fifty thousand for Jordan all the way down
to thirty five thousand for you, just for everyone to have.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
That on paper.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
If you had one Dirty thirty? Do you still think
you would have started Challenge Mania? What a question by Luis.
Love that question.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Yeah, have you come home? You come home knowing?

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Okay, now I got a little nest egg here, four
h fifty k coming to me. Do you still are
you still motivated to start a podcast or are you
more motivated that you're like I'm back in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
I just want babe.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
No, No, I think I always had like a passion
to like break down sports. I love to analyze my
son's football games, my son's basketball games, like like I
record every single play, Like I'm that dad that records

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every single play, and I go, look, here's how you
could have made this play better. This is what you
did well on this play. This is where you messed
up on this play. This is how you can get
better on this play. So just growing up playing football, baseball, basketball,
you know, in high school captain of all three teams,
got an Athlete of the Year honor award my senior year,

(01:15:36):
and going on to walk onto a college baseball and
basketball team in college as a smaller guy that got
time and played at very high levels. Like I love
this shit like I love sports. And that's why I
appreciate being able to still step on the field at

(01:15:58):
forty years old and get to do some of the
coolest things that I could only dream about doing. Like
I could, I can't. I wouldn't be able to do
the type of things on the challenge that I in
real life, like you, like, there's no amusement park that
you can go to and and and and do the
things that we do. And I'm getting paid to do

(01:16:19):
it right, and I'm getting the opportunity to get paid more,
and I'm getting the opportunity to do it here and
break it down, whether it be the arguments or or
or the or the the game in itself, or the
you know or or that the certain competition that day
or you know how that player competed in that actual

(01:16:41):
elimination against that person? How would have went if another
another person was in there? Like I get to do
that for a living now, right, So I'm I don't
think anything would have changed, though, So.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
What about this? Let me throw this in there too.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
And let me and let me and let me and
let me start off by saying, I would I was
doing the podcast this years before, right me?

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
And you you were doing that, You were doing this
so well, yeah, so for nothing, for nothing. That's the
only reason that you had my number in your phone
was that both of us failed at podcasting ten years
prior before nobody even.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
Knew when you were interviewing even cooler people.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Yeah it did.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
We were the UFC fighters at a sport that I
loved and that I wish I would have gotten into
long ago.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
So that I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
I agree that the passion for covering, the passion of
podcasting was there, and you probably would.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Have thought to do it. But what about this? So
you come home, you come in second place.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Obviously, they bring you in for the cup of coffee
on Vendettas, but they don't bring you into full on
repeat your your runner up place. I wonder to go
full revisionist history though, if you win Dirty thirty, are
you on Vendettas full on like you were there as
an alternate?

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
You end up doing that, you know? So like for me,
what about that?

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Like would you have doven into the podcast right away
if they put you right back on the road.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
So I don't know if you remember this, but they
had me as an alternate for Invasion and that's when
I hit you up. And that's when I was like that.
So it was probably a year prior where I was like, man,
I feel like maybe we should get this. I should
get this going again somehow, right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
So what's crazy is I don't remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
I remember it being after you like because I remember
because I've said this before, that was around the time
where my Challenge fandom was waning a little bit. Yeah,
I was letting them build up on the DVR.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
I was sometimes letting the entire seasons go by, and
if they got rooined for me, like I remember Rivals three,
Rivals three, I kind of let go by and I
didn't know what happened, but since when Johnny took the
money from Sarah, Bill Simmons had him on his podcast
and they had this whole thing and I ended up
listening to it and I go, well, I'll go watch
that episode, but there's no way I'm going back and
watching that full.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Season now that I know what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
And so again, invasion you guys start to come back
Dirty thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
I had Dirty thirty saved on.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
My D and I remember, like, I had no idea
that you came in second place.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
When you're asking me, hey, do you want to do
this podcast? And this and that and the other.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
I forgot that you. So you must have texted me
a few months earlier. And then we kind of let
it sit there, and then of course you go and
film Dirty thirty. So that's why you probably had to
be quiet for a little bit and whatnot. And then
we resumed things November twenty seventeen. That's when right around
the reunions and the finale of Dirty thirty was airing.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
You know, well, I start like I started getting like
the itch because I felt like I had like, first
of all, the podcast challenge podcasts didn't exist, right, But don't.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
You think, let me ask you this, don't you think
you would have been a little bit more hesitant because
let's say you had a whole nother season in the
can yet, Because like, right now, we kind of invented
the idea of podcasting about a show that you were
actually on right now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Tory and Anis said, they do it all the time,
Johnny does it all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Fine, but back then, I don't know how you would
have felt about if you had gone and filmed Vendettas
also then doing a podcast about whoa Vendettas, what's going
to have whatever?

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Like, we kind of had to figure out what do
we do?

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
And we had so much time to figure it out
because they didn't use you again until All Stars won.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
Well yeah, here, so here's here's here's the issue, and
and and like I was saying, so let me just
let me just keep this going real quick. So I
remember watching the show and being like, God, these guys
are so fucking whack. I've got so many cool clips
and so much cool shit that I've done in one season.

(01:20:28):
Then the sixth season, some of these fucking dorks have combined, right,
Like that was my thought process. I was like, I
need to get back in here somehow because uh, you
know it, like they need me and I need them. Right.
So what had happened was once I, once I started
putting the clips out there, them started starting to realize, Oh,

(01:20:50):
this kind of character exists and he's now divorced. Right. Uh.
Once they once they sort of dropped me from invasion,
I was like, Fuck, you know they're not going to
use me. Let's start talking about it again, because I
know this game. I know this game. I used to
not just play this game, I used to break it

(01:21:11):
down all the time with these people. So then what
happened was I got on Dirty thirty and the character
that they used they didn't use me. So my qualm
was they didn't tell my story. The problem was is
the story was never being told, the full stories, all
of the stories weren't being told. And the reason why

(01:21:33):
I know that is because so much more goes on,
as you can see here eight years later, so many
more stories, so much more intel is left on the
cutting room floor because you only have so much time
on the actual episode with the actual people. So when
I was on Dirty thirty, I was maybe on like
what three full episodes. It felt like there's eighteen episodes.

(01:21:57):
I make it to the end.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Wait, a lot more meat left on the dirt, Kazinsky
bone that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
Season free, That's what I'm saying. So and I remember,
and I remember talking about the podcast on Dirty thirty,
and I remember talking to Tony and Hunter as they
floated away and they lost to me in that final
elimination that people still don't consider an elimination because they
called it a purge, but it was the final elimination

(01:22:24):
before the final and it was me, Tony and Hunter.
And as I floated away and they sat up there,
they go, hey, we still want to be the first
ones on your podcast. And I don't even think me
and you were like solidified anything at that point because
I was on the show, So the podcasting was was happening,

(01:22:47):
whether I won or not, because first of all, I
enjoy this. Second of all, not that many people have
had a challenge life like I've had, so they're not
going to be able to see it through the same
lens as me. And at that time, I had, you know,
at that time, I had, I had done much more

(01:23:11):
in the challenge world than many others. So now that
there's more of me out there. There's the Johnny's, there's
the Wes's cts, like I mean, just I guess they
were always there. But you know, the people that have
done sixteen, seventeen, eighteen seasons. You know, I'm on whatever, thirteen, fourteen,
whatever it is. But at the time I was at
ten something like that, and that was a lot. You know.

(01:23:35):
Now there's many more people that have done ten. But
but the same thing was happening. That thing was happening.
Can I need a job finding a daily job?

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
Right? Well, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
It's like, it's interesting, it's like a you were sort
of the perfect person because if you look at like
other sports other than like Daniel Cormier, who I remember
he would do commentary while he was still you know,
top of his game, fighting the UFC and stuff. For
the most part, you rarely see you know, it's not
like you know, and now it's a little different.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
You see like Lebron James having his own podcasts and
things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
It's a little different with the podcast, but when it
comes to like TV analysts and things like that, it's
rare that you see people at the top of their
games still playing. But also have all that history still
breaking the stuff down. It's usually one or the other, right,
it's usually you know, the Richard Jefferson's of the World
and things like that, or you get the legends, but
after they're done, you're Charles Barkley's your shacks, et cetera.

(01:24:24):
You were sort of perfectly suited for having the best
of both worlds. You were a legend who would just
established yourself as hey, I'm still in the game. I
came in second place. We had no idea that you
were going to come in second place, have the best
elimination on the next season, and then not used again
until All Stars and then against season forty.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
But it sort of worked out in that regard. I
would say.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
That if you look at the cast members who sort
of elevated or maintained their Q rating over that period
of time, you know, if there's not many people who
did it more so than you did. And so you know,
obviously see the podcast ended up filling in that gap
while the casting calls weren't coming.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
But yeah, well, and the beauty of it, like, it
wasn't just me. I didn't want to just tell my story.
I knew that there was other people's stories, other people
that wanted to tell their story and that, and and
they thought it was cool. And so at that point,
like when the two guys you that you were basically,

(01:25:18):
you know, not on the same side with, but but
still respected each other and appreciated each other, or telling
you we want to be the first two on your podcast.
When this is done and it doesn't even exist, like
you know, it was happening regardless if I won that
four fifty or.

Speaker 6 (01:25:32):
Nine, that's great, Yeah, I went.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
I'll say the timing could not have been more perfect,
because that was the year that you know, I think
maybe a year a little bit early, maybe we're a
little early, whatever, but that was when I think the
average person knew what a podcast was, knew how to
get it on their phone with a couple of clicks.
Don't get me wrong, We still had hundreds, if not thousands,
of people tell us, hey, you're the first podcast we're

(01:26:03):
listening to, You're the first podcast I've ever heard, et cetera.
But when it came time for them to know how
to get it or do it, it was fairly easy
for them to do it. Now flash forward, there's a
million different podcasts, whether it's for the challenge or survivor otherwise.
And then again you're Johnny's and your West's things. You know,
I mentioned Lebron James. The idea that a podcast is
what you have when you can't have a radio show
or a TV show is done now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
It's people prefer to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Have a podcast because of all the flexibility that comes
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
But it's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
We had that five year head start on everybody else.
I'll say that, so shouts to you OG's who have
stuck with us since then. Tara's got a question about OG's.
She says, we Want OG's Movement helped get All Stars
off the ground. How can the fandom mobilize now to
keep it alive?

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Do you think? So? Here's the thing. I think that
was such a rare instance.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Twenty twenty, the pandemic social media had become theater. Everyone's
sitting at home, people are doing pitch and development meetings
via zoom. I really think that was such a weird
time where a we were able to mobilize the maniacs
and use that we Want OG's movement to kind of
sell these people show back to them. But I don't
think that that's how it works today, Like I actually

(01:27:12):
don't think there's really anything the fans per se can do,
especially in social media.

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
What do you think I do? I absolutely absolutely one
of the one of the one of our biggest weaknesses
are like massive amounts of retweets on on Twitter or
or or or passes on Instagram, Like that is the
that is like one of our our biggest weaknesses is
like we put something up on x or threads or

(01:27:41):
Instagram and it's not being shared, you know, And if if, if,
if the maniacs could do could help us by sharing
it more like we would be we would be hitting
on a whole nother cylinder. But you're talking.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
About us Challenge Mania or are you talking about All Stars?

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
I'm talking about how do you You're asking how do
we mobilize the maniacs? Right? That's how can the fandom
do to help to mobilize to make it? We want
OG's and everything else even bigger, or at least Challenge
Mania even bigger. Is like we are I don't want
to say with the epicenter, but like at some point
we did serve as the episode.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
But if terror literally means what can they do to
make All Stars six a reality I actually don't think.
I actually don't think it's social media based at all.
I think because I think our question was how can
the fandom mobilize to keep it alive? I think it
here is All Stars. I think it's watched the show.
I think that people and this is the sad reality

(01:28:39):
of it. I think that people people like technology changes,
the way people absorb content changes. I think now I
can't keep track of whether people are pissed it's on
MTV or piss it's on Paramount. Every time they switch it,
another group of people are mad when the child when
the challenge is on MTV, like Season forty or All
Stars five, every comment on Facebook says.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Oh man, this, I don't have cable. How do I
watch it? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
Then when All Stars was on Paramount, it was the opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
Oh man, I have to pay fifteen bucks for this?
Why is it on MTV?

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Everyone needs to make up their fucking mind and everyone
needs to go. This is a team I root for,
This is a show I root for. Whatever the delivery
system is, I'm going to be a part of it.
So on paper, it looks like I'm a diehard fan
of the show and they can check that box that
said that diehard fan absorbed this content the way that
we calculated, because I think the problem is everybody's absorbing

(01:29:29):
and taking in content the way that they want to,
whether that's via clips on social media, whether that's via TikTok,
whether that's via spoilers, and all you do is you
pay attention on departure day and then you don't even
care about the show.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Whether it's you wait.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
A year and then you buy it on Amazon, whether
it's Paramount Plus. You just waited for season forty to
hit Paramount Plus now and you're watching it. I get
that that's great for you, Tara or whoever, but everyone
needs to band together and watch these shows the way
we watched them ten years ago, because that's still how
they measure success. So when they look at Season four,
they go, oh, man, towards the end there it was

(01:30:02):
only doing four hundred thousand viewers. Now if one hundred
thousand of you were buying it on iTunes, no offense.
That doesn't contribute to when someone's making a decision about
Season forty two, forty three, or All Stars five, six, seven,
or eight. That doesn't contribute to how they make their
decision because ultimately, the person who's making the decision only
cares about that one way of watching it, whether it's
Paramount Plus or whether it is MTV.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
So I think when it's mobilized the maniacs. Like I
said in twenty twenty, the way to mobilize was on
social media, and fine, but social media now is getting
in the way. Like it is so easy to watch
wrestling via social media clips now that I don't want.
I don't turn on Netflix and watch RAW because.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
I know all the cool moments of RAW are going
to be on my Twitter and I can just watch
it that way.

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
Yes, they don't measure our truth.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Yeah, our truth.

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
I watched wat Truth last night. Yeah, but like for
ends social media, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
The same thing I made.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
This is why I complain about the podcast that do
the clip game too well, Right, I go, you're creating
a world in which someone thinks by being a fan
of your podcast, all they're doing is watching those three
or four clips that you're doing a great job with
the video. You're bringing guests in in person, and people
are watching those clips and then they move on with
their day. They're probably not then watching or downloading a

(01:31:14):
two hour podcast of yours because you're making it so
easy for them to feel like they got the four
cliff notes moments in clip form right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Same thing with these TV shows. TV shows, there's a million.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
Different ways to watch them, whether it's streaming or purchase
or Amazon or this, and everybody's cutting the cords and
get I get that. For your budget, it makes sense
not to pay two hundred and fifty dollars a month
for cable, I get it. But sadly, if we're all
doing this in fifty different ways, on paper, it looks
like only four hundred thousand people who are watching the challenge,
and if there's three hundred thousand extra people watching it

(01:31:46):
in a different way, that sucks, you know that. And
not to say that it's your responsibility to do that,
but if you're asking how to mobilize, that's the only
way to mobilize where it will translate into, oh, we
should greenlight this show because unlike twenty twenty, they're not
trying to sell the show, right, they're not trying to
launch Paramount Plus. So now it's less fan engagement online.

(01:32:07):
How many likes are there on this Sarah Rice video,
and it's how many people watch the finale of All
Stars five, Like that's what they care about. How many
people sign up for Paramount Plus the minute something on
Paramount Plus that's related to the challenge is announced.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
That's what they care about.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
And the whole company is in flux and probably being sold,
which makes everything I said probably no invoid, So that complicates.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
It too, So no one void whatever he just said.
But also share our stuff, right, like the reason why
that's for them for us.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
We have a million different things we could tell you
to do for us.

Speaker 4 (01:32:36):
Yeah, well, but I'm just saying like in general, like
once All Stars, like once the older familiar faces you know,
started popping up, like that's that's where they were like,
oh this is Oh they like this. They're liking this.
They're liking Dunbar back, even though he's talking about throwing
a challenge. You know, even if Vinnie whatever, Vinnie we

(01:32:59):
heard the Vinnie store, Vinnie's back. Maybe we don't want
to use Vinnie, but this I'm seeing this guy pop
up everywhere, you know, So it's like, you know, or
whoever the ogs are, Derek McCrae, like their wheels are
spinning on how can we make another All Stars show exist,
but make it look different, but make it look you

(01:33:20):
know what I mean, like make it look all stars
worthy with different people. People we like the ogs like
even you know this, you know this dunbar like who
would have thought would have been hitting like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
This if you're listening, by the way, shouts to Ryan
and a.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Few people who came up to me in Saint Louis
who let me know and is obviously I'm going to
be getting it from dms left and right too as well,
that you guys have appreciated these OG interviews, and I
think it was, you know, obviously a great use of
this downtime between season forty one, where look, when season
forty one's back, we get it. That's what a lot
of people think about. That's where it does feel a
little weird to slide into Derek McCray. But I appreciate

(01:33:56):
that you guys love those. As Derek says, though, don't
just slide into my DM. Don't just tell me live
in Saint Louis. Post to your followers right in an
organic way, not just reposting and sharing, because I do
think here's another thing about how the world has changed. Okay,
so social media has changed in a myriad of ways.
All Right, social media works really hard to push down

(01:34:21):
and not make it easy for things that look like
product placement, and that can be a link, that can
be buy our tickets, that can be a flyer, that
can be listening to this, that can be this. They
push all that down because they want people like us
to pay to build it up. Right, So, god are
the days where we launch challenge Mania on Twitter and
Facebook whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
And Twitter it was like, oh, use this hashtag. People
are going to see it, and that's how Twitter work
back then. That's not how it works anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
If we have a link in our posts, like they
will be like, trust me, like you can see. Sometimes
I'll do a post and it's been like a little
get zero likes, and I'd be like, I'd be like,
how is this possible? Because Twitter's hiding it for people,
They're not hiding it from you guys. Right, So, what
you guys can do if you love an episode, if
you love a podcast, if you love challenge Mania, if
you love an episode or the challenge, post about it,
tweet about it, you know, do an organic post, you

(01:35:09):
find a picture that you use whatever, blab blah, Hey
did you guys know, Dunbar was on Challenge Mania.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
I listened to it and it was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Because a post coming from Tara or Chad or Chrissy
or whoever, they're not going to bury the same way
they're going to bury us promoting what we do.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
So you guys, can help promote what we do. Do
it in an organic way.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Do it in a way where you're not lying to
your followers or your friends because you actually want them
to know that it's there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
But I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
I get that your own feeds and your own accounts
are precious and things like that, and you don't necessarily
think to do that because you think, oh, they're doing
that for themselves. We are, trust me, we do post
incessantly plug plug plug plug plug. But because of that,
our accounts look like that and the social media you know,
sphere is not doing us any favors. So anything you
want to do in that regard, well we'll look. It'll

(01:35:51):
trickle down to the challenge realizing that the love is
there the network's sure, but for us as well, if
you just want to help the little engine that could,
you know, stand up to the you know, all the
other people that are crowding the market and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Like, look the.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
Questions that you guys are asking, you're asking live on Patreon,
where you guys are literally financially supporting us. If that's
all you want to do, that is perfectly fine. But
if you want to go the extra mile, or if
you're listening to this and you're one of the many
people who say, hey, I don't even have a dollar,
let alone fifteen dollars or fifty dollars a month to
give you guys via.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Patreon, that's fine. We appreciate you guys so much.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
If there's something that you guys want to do for
us or to help again, tell a friend about Challenge Mania,
post about Challenge Mania, do it on one of these
Facebook pages, the Challenge Fans and the Challenge Unbothered and
the Challenge Unfiltered and all these great Facebook pages. Because again,
when it's coming from us, it looks a certain way,
and it is a certain way when it's coming from
you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
You know, a Reddit post, a Reddit thread, you know,
I'll say this.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
It's like when we started the podcast, there was a
Reddit thread about every single episode we did.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Right, not so much.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
Anymore, you know, and you know that could be for
a myriad of reasons, and that's fine, but you know
down there that's those are the people who aren't necessarily
the fans, and that what comes with that sometimes on
Reddit is a bit of negativity things like that, or
people just kind of like to sling it around more
than they like to build people up and whatnot, which
is fine, but it is getting the information out there
to a group of people that don't normally see it.

(01:37:09):
These are probably not the people following us and following
the Facebook page and following challengemaniacs dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
So yes, Derek is totally right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
There's a ton you can still do for challenge Mania
that in turn will help it will help All Stars
as well.

Speaker 4 (01:37:21):
Yeah, I'm telling I'm telling you it's it's when they
see these faces pop up, it gets there, It gets
the wheels turning. It has to. It has to, because
like All Stars isn't dead and gone. It's just like
sometimes it takes time for them to come. Like can
you imagine trying to come up with a new game

(01:37:41):
every every year, let alone twice a year or three
times a year, like a brand new game, like a
brand new board game, new rules, new people and try
to make it more exciting than the last one. Yeah,
we can't let all stars be dead and gone. But
if you repost like especially these ghosts that we've been
reaching out to and getting, and let me be honest
with you, getting the ghosts the challenge. Ghosts that haven't

(01:38:03):
been around in years and years are so fucking hard
to get. And in some of these people I've been
working on for years and years and years. Some of
the ogs that we've gotten in the past, I worked
on for years and years and years, and then we
got that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
So Dunbar Dunbar almost didn't want to do it because
when we told him it was just going to be
three of us doing the podcast, he said, I will
only do it if it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Force, all right, Dad Bruber.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
Chad says, does it surprise you that Jenny West just
won another season and is not on the upcoming season? Well,
we can't conform or confirm or deny that, Chad, but
let's say she's not. Chad says, I'm biased because I'm
a big fan, but after being an alternate for Double
Agents and then again not being on another season unless
she declined, sounds like a shitty get for me.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Are you surprised they didn't bring her back? Surprised?

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
No, I mean we just saw them do this to her, right,
Like she won the first time and they didn't bring
her back again until season forty. Clearly, with her, she
is someone who if you let her on a show,
she probably don't win it, you know, unless she gets
haul brawled out by Tori. So I will say I
don't think she is the most Did we ever have her.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
On post forty? No, that's one we probably dust off, right.

Speaker 4 (01:39:15):
I reached out, I reached out. I just got nothing.
I just got nothing back. I'm sure, I'm sure she's
nice enough to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
She's super nice nice, she's super well liked. She's not
the most interesting reality TV personality. In fact, I feel
as if she was probably cast for her initial show
because she has a tremendous physique.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
She's a physical specimen.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
I believe the first show she was almost called Survival
of the Fittest, and for whatever reason, the Challenge decided
to bring her into this world. And I think she's
a bit of a ringer. Like I do, think she's
almost too physically fit for the show. I think they
kind of realized that as well. I do think they
wanted to bring her in for season forty because she's
one of the few ERA four champions and look what

(01:39:57):
happened she brought She almost ran away with the show herself.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
She had to share it with Rachel.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
But I think, like in a vacuum, who's a more
worthy winner of season forty just from an optic standpoint,
you know, the twenty year veteran Rachel Robinson who started
on road Rules, right, not probably the Survival of the
Fittest person that we haven't brought back since she won
Total Madness. So I do think in a way, the
karma quote unquote was more of sort of a you know,

(01:40:24):
I told you we shouldn't have brought her in, So
I am not surprised if they don't bring her in
for any seasons going forward. Whether that's fair or not,
I would say that I agree with you chat, it's
probably unfair if they don't do that if she does
want to play, because you know, she's one of the
most successful people that ever do the show. If you're

(01:40:45):
breaking it down by season by season basis.

Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
Yeah, if you're breaking it down by numbers, I mean
I think she's at like what two for three or
something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
But this is where I say the Challenge the fifth
Sport thing is a joke, like like when you say, oh,
the Challenges the fifth Sport, when Bill Simmons said that
that was funny because it's clearly not a sport. It's
a reality show. But yes, there's a competition element to
it that we all love. But no, do I want
it to be like a sport? Do I want the
thirty people on a show to be the thirty best athletes,
regardless of whether they're fun on commentary? No, you know

(01:41:15):
what I mean. Give me Tyree, Give me Tyree over
Jenni West any day. Come on, that's my tirade for
the day.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
Well, the longer you keep the ogs around, trust in me,
you will have the wipeout style performances that you've all
loved and craved even when we were young and dumb.
The older and more out of shape we are, the dumber.
We look.

Speaker 1 (01:41:42):
Real quick, real quick plug challenge. Many dial live and
get tickets to all of our shows. Next up is Pittsburgh.
That we've got Atlanta, but end of July July twenty seventh,
Road Rules thirty This is another thing that look, would
it have been great or smart or whatever for paramount
you're able to do something for the thirtieth anniversary of
road Rules. They still be doing it, who knows, but
for now we don't think they are. So we decided

(01:42:03):
to step in. So we've got as many road rulers
as we could muster up and afford to bring in.
And then on top of that, some people showed me
some group chaps this weekend that there's a ton of
road rulers that are nice enough and kind enough to
be bringing themselves in to come to this and be surprises.
We thought we were gonna have kid who were in
the house. We just found out today she sadly cannot
make it anymore. So for those of you guys excited
to see her, sadly doesn't look like she'll be there

(01:42:24):
on the Sunday the twenty seventh. But Shane, Veronica, Tina Rachel,
of course, Durrell Susie. But then, yeah, a lot of
really fun names that are coming in, not just from California,
you know, like you're Sarah Grayson's, but you know, we
got Keithlea coming in from the West Coast, and then
some other. Somebody showed me over the weekend a private
chat they have basically with their entire road Rules cast

(01:42:46):
and a few people coming in from their cast. I
won't say who you can reach through the tea leaves
based on who was on road Rules and in Saint Louis.
But so it's gonna be a really special day Brea improv.
There are tons of seats left, Guys, there are still
me and greet tickets left. You can, We'll get a
picture of you, Veronica, Rachel and Tina, the mean girls.
I'm telling you right now, there's probably not going to
be another day you're ever going to get that picture.

(01:43:07):
We're going to have more road Rules in the house
than ever. You want to know how we can bring
back All Stars potentially or maybe bring back road Rules.
The reason we put this thing in Los Angeles is
not because Los Angeles maniacs come out and droves and
we make a lot of money. In fact, it's the opposite.
The reason we're doing it there is because.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
It's where road Rules was born.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
It was where road Rules died with road rolls, viewers revenge,
and also because a lot of the people who made
the show live there were doing it down the block
from where they continue to make these shows, Beuta Murray
Productions and Paaramount and a lot of the people who
make the shows continuously today and made the shows then
are going to be in the house. So if you
guys come, if you guys let them know when we
ask you, Hey, do you guys want to see Road

(01:43:44):
Rules again? Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
Do you guys want to see All Stars? Hey? Do
you want to see Kendall on All Stars again? Hey?
Do you want to see whomever on All Stars?

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
When we do that and you you know, you know,
yell and scream whatever, and the person sitting next to
you is the person who makes those decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
Who knows maybe that will happen.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
So to answer your question, and again Tara who asked,
that is a day literally where if you come out,
who knows, maybe some decisions or some thoughts pop into
people's minds that day. Bray improv Sunday, July twenty seventh,
So grab a tickets to that because I can tell
you that it is the only time we're ever doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Thirtieth Anniversary of road Rules. Road Rules debut in.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
July of nineteen ninety five, So July twenty twenty five
on July twenty seventh.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
We'll be celebrating it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
The only time people saying, hey you should bring this
road rules sting on the road, We're not doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
It's the only day.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
Get your tickets, all right, Last couple questions here. Paul says,
what is the fakest challenge rivalry at the moment?

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
Derek? And what is the realist challenge rivalry at the moment?

Speaker 4 (01:44:40):
Oh my gosh, this is a question that I probably
would have needed to get.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
Okay, the realist challenge rivalry? Well, I just was kind
of trying to get, you know, get some talking points
together here, and it was reading through the tea pages
and I realized that, uh, that Corey and Amanda rival
thing is is a is a real thing. Uh, he's

(01:45:09):
not he's not scared too to say that he's uh
isn't a big fan. And I also learned that you know,
him and Nelson want to do a challenge at some
point together. So I would be interested to to see
where those talks are going as far as like, well
we see Nelson back, it's not a rivalry, but uh,

(01:45:33):
that Amanda Corey thing definitely seems kind of real. But
anything with Amanda and uh one of her nemesis definitely
seems very real. What about Tina and Jeordan Jordan Jordan
in production seems like a very real rivalry. Uh, Sarah
Rice feels like she's she's ready to return, so maybe

(01:45:54):
that rivalry is maybe coming to an end at some point.
I thought that uh, Shane and Frank were a new
brewing rivalry.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
Uh, that's definitely, that's legit.

Speaker 4 (01:46:09):
Okay, that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
That's all. That's all I'll say there.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
That one's legit.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
Uh, I will.

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
Say not even pop the balloon is seems to be.
It seemed to have been a little rivalry there. I
think it's gone now. Uh, Pauline Klara, what's going on
with that one?

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
I don't think they're a rivalry. I think they're good.
I think they're they're good.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
They're just not together.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
You know, that's not that's none of our business. Okay,
who knows? Uh? Yeah, all right, those are some good answers.

Speaker 4 (01:46:44):
Vans and THEO seemed to not be a rivalry.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
Uh all right, real quick, Paul wants you to know, Derek,
did you know that you every where?

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
Is it? Okay? One of the earlier Challenge Mania pods.
You stated that you have lasted longer than any Derek,
regardless of any spelling on any show. Are you aware
that that came to an end on season forty Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:07):
Yeah, And I essentially handed it to him, So.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
You did, You're responsible for it? You're right? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:14):
I essentially said, no, I'm not going to come after you,
and I'm going to come after Corey so TVD and
that that's any thing, all.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
Right, Meredith, We'll get Here's the last question for Meredith. Derek.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
Is there anyone from your career you wish you got
to know better? And have you since tried to reach
out to them?

Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
You know, I I you know, I've been pretty outspoken
about THEO Vaughn and you know we've covered this up
and down as far as how things ended for me
and him in the Challenge universe. But afterwards, you know,
he when he started doing the Last Comic Standing, I
think it was pretty uh, you know, we were well

(01:48:01):
on the same force as far as trying to get him,
uh to win that thing, and then eventually, you know,
it's he's one of the people that, like we would
we would absolutely love to have on the podcast obviously,
you know he's you know, one of the biggest you know,
comedians personalities. He's he's almost reaching stuper stardom. Dare I

(01:48:28):
say it here, Scott, Uh, And he's he's one of
the people that you know, I I I feel shitty
about letting our our friendship h kind of fade away.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
But isse of that? Is it because of his success
and and things like that, or is it did you
feel like you guys could have and would have or
did gel more than now the lack of relationship you
have would well.

Speaker 4 (01:48:52):
I mean we were really training together before Fresh Meat
uh at u c l a you know, I mean
throwing the football around uh and around the track, doing
stares uh, stuff like that. You know. So at some point, uh,
we did have a friendship. Uh, and at some point
it faded away. And UH, luckily in in uh in

(01:49:16):
Nashville when we were in that speakeasy underground, met the
owner there.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:49:22):
He sent the picture of me to to to THEO
and gave me his number and uh he responded with
big D and I just wished him well. And Uh,
at the very least I got a I got some
closure from that chapter that night. So, but he's one
of the ones I wish I would have I would

(01:49:42):
have kept in touch with I was me and KORL,
you know, would have kept in touch longer. But of
course these things just just kind of fade away, you know.
So it's like, uh, you know a lot of people
that Dave gent tootally. I remember Dave Gentoli who became
a huge actor. Me and Jamie were.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
But anybody let me take the fame out of it.
Because I'm not saying it's wrong to do this idea.
I also wish I stayed better friends with people.

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
I'm not. I'm not even I'm not. I'm not really
talking about the fame. It's just it's just when you
go back.

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
But I will say I think, but I think that
might have been why So, for instance, you named a
bunch of people who have had a lot of success
outside of the challenge, and I think part of that
either led to or is related to them kind of
putting the challenge in that past life into their rear view.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:50:29):
So I don't think it's this I'm not, although on
one side of the coin, yes, it's probably like, oh,
I wish I was better friends with this person.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
Crushing it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
But also part of the reason they're crushing it is
they kind of, you know, stop doing the challenge twenty
years ago and never really looked back. So my question
to you is, is there someone who's still kind of
part of the challenge world a little bit that hasn't
really gone off on Coral Island that you wish you
had maintained more of a relationship with.

Speaker 4 (01:50:52):
You know, when we do these challenges in your lives,
I think it's a it's a way to kind of
get closer to those people that I don't get to
see all the time, you know. So for example, like
this weekend, you know, with with with Wes, like I
I I I feel like I, you know, I missed
out on an opportunity at the game, missed out an
opportunity to hang out with him an Amber, and I

(01:51:14):
haven't seen Durrell in a long time. And you know,
luckily Mark, I'll see Mark at least, you know, once
a month pretty much, so I get my my time
with him. But I I appreciate those those downtimes, you know,
like I appreciate the times where you know, we're having
a coffee, you know, down in the hotel lobby or
having a beer in the hotel lobby or whatever where

(01:51:37):
it's it's it's like it's like one on one. Uh
and and and I feel like when we're we're doing
these challenge lives, it's it's an opportunity to do that.
But I also feel when it's it's just a rushed
one day thing, I feel like it loses, you know,
the opportunity to get to know those people more like
an amber for example, Like I'm never really sat down

(01:51:58):
and had a conversation with are you know outside of
of of of the podcast, you know, so you know,
I think a lot of the people that you know
that that we do challenge made in Lives with, I
feel like, you know, it's it's it's spread too thin,
and I feel like I wish there was more time.
Uh but I guess even a little bit of time

(01:52:19):
is better than like no time at all.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
So uh yeah, someone someone actually asked this, Let me
see if I could find it there was a similar question.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Because I'll just reframe it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
But so let's say there's no take challenge mainly a
live out of it, right, because I do think you
get and we get and even.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
Cast members that we use a lot and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
Are kind of spoiled in that we have created this
reason that so many of you guys do get to
see each other for periods of whether it's you know,
one day like Frank, or three days like Durrell, and
like Durrell and Amber. Right, so durrellnd Amber their partners
on double Agents. You know, Durrell ends up going home,
Amber ends up winning the thing with CT. I believe

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their paths crossed on Global Championship. I think Durrell did
that right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
Other than that, though, these two probably don't get together
very often, right, And then here they are getting to
see each other for three days. They also got to
see each other a year and a half ago or
two years ago in Sacramento when we did that event.
They were both at that they can go to a
King's game together, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Okay, so my point is that I think we have
also breathed this weird sort of I would say my
question to you is this, if it wasn't for challenge
many lives at all?

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
How many how often.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
Would some of you guys see each other who don't
let's say, all live in la or wherever, Like I
personally think you would go, like, would there have been
a natural reason for you to see some of the
people that you've seen at Challenge many live other than
doing a Challenge in the last eight years, right, you
live in Morgantown, West Virginia. Some of these people live

(01:53:59):
in weird ass places without challengemaning alive. I would argue
some of you guys, if not all of you guys
wouldn't see each other outside of filming the show at all.

Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
Yeah, I think it would be foolish for a group
of us to not bring back something where we would
be able to see each other more.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
That's sure, But that but that's all.

Speaker 4 (01:54:24):
But yeah, but if there were no appearances even back then,
even even even you know before Challengeming alive, when uh,
you know, appearances and you know, going to like uh,
you know, you know, you know whoever it, whoever it
was at the time bringing cast members in to do
this and to do that, like there was an excuse

(01:54:47):
to see each other randomly. But yeah, I mean if
there was nothing like like a Challengeman alive or appearances
or college speaking or you know whatever his bar appearance,
whatever how you want to cut at festivals, whatever, then yeah, obviously,
then you would be like what the Vacation Alliance does, right,

(01:55:08):
Like you just like find a time to be like,
all right, let's all meet here this one time. So yeah,
Challengeman Live definitely gives all of us an excuse to
kind of see each other.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
All right, Well, you guys, come see us.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
Challenge Mania dot Live Boston's probably on sale by the
time we're listening to this. You can get tickets at
Challenge Many dot Live, but it always starts with a
pre sale Challenge Maniac dot Com. Next Monday the sixteenth,
we have our pre sale for Detroit. That's October fifth,
but we're hitting Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Chicago again. That's still got
tickets on sale, Phoenix. It's gonna be a great time
at all these shows, so please and don't forget about
Road Rose thirty Los Angeles Slash Bray Callifornia Sunday, July

(01:55:44):
twenty seventh. Unlike any of that we've ever done, tickets
for all these are Challenge Mani Dot Live and d
I will give you the last word as we get
out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:55:50):
So I have a question. So what did Wes say
about his possible return to the Challenge.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
He said, I'll put it at about fifteen percent that
I do a challenge again.

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
So I think, I mean, look, this guy, he'll he'll
do another one for sure, one hundred percent. I mean
I think, look, he has managed to go longer without
doing one. Then I think maybe he even knew based
on the fact that he's gotten to do all these
other shows in the process. Look, season forty probably like
not an easy one to sit out because of the like,
you know, magnitude of the season, but I think sort

(01:56:20):
of an easy one to sit out in that Look,
there was a lot of you guys there, like, he's
not going to get to be the star of the
show the same way he would have been on another season.
I think what's going to happen is the Challenge will
come calling when the Challenge needs Wes, and Wes will
say yes when Wes needs the Challenge. And I think
that'll probably happen sometime between seasons forty two and forty six.

Speaker 4 (01:56:38):
If I had to guess, yeah, yeah, no, that's all.
I got. Nice, nice little chat here, Scott. I hope
the maniacs and enjoyed it, and I hope that you
continue to help us retweet reshare rethread, re Instagram, re Facebook,
some of this mannas that we have and hopefully next week,

(01:57:00):
hopefully I have another ghost, Scott, because I messaged a
lot of ghosts and uh, yeah, it's like that zebra.
It's like that. They're like those zebra, that zebra that
got away in Tennessee and they they had to get
a helicopter out and just like grab it. But we
got one response from a ghost. We're not gonna say

(01:57:20):
who it is because we don't want to spoil it.
Challenge being you alive. It's a hard it's gonna be
a hard one to hard zebra to capture it, get it,
get them up and get him there or here. But
just know that we're working hard for you, guys, and
we appreciate you guys for uh enjoying our content, enjoying

(01:57:41):
this random podcast about this random sport uh that's uh
existing under ether called the Challenge Universe, challengeing your podcast.
All right, brother vacation. I don't think I'm gonna get
a ghost by tomorrow, Scott.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
All right, well we'll talk about it off the air.
They've got this, uh, they've got this audio.

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
From from uh samwis coming at him and We just
did it two hours of NonStop challenge talk, so hopefully
you guys loved it and we'll see you soon.

Speaker 2 (01:58:14):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:58:14):
It is quite the chat. There a lot of cool
subjects that we covered. Like I said, I don't want
to say old news, but you know, this was recorded
two weeks ago, so for instance, since then, the Traders
cast has.

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
Been announced and everything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
So uh, you know, two weeks ago, but still a
lot of this stuff, evergreen, is still very topical.

Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
Hope you guys enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:33):
If you did head a challenge Maniacs dot com, support
the podcast will make it worth you while.

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
Have a great week. We'll see you guys is Saturday
in Pittsburgh. Take it away, TJ.

Speaker 7 (01:58:41):
All Right, guys, this sends your time here on Challenge Mania.
Take care of yourselves and hopefully we'll see in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
Guess what, Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
The train, the Chew Cheo train, the CT Tambarello train
is rolling through Pittsburgh Saturday, June twenty eighth. Yes, I
know it's relatives short notice, but that just goes to
show you never know when a guest is going to
be added to a Challenge Madia Live lineup. And you
never know when a headliner like CT might pop his
head onto our stage. Guess what, guys, there are still

(01:59:32):
tickets available. For those of you guys who already showed
faith and did buy tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:59:35):
You are good to go.

Speaker 1 (01:59:36):
For those of you guys who've been dragging your feet,
sitting on your hands, or might want to hop on
American Airlines or Delta and come join us at Pittsburgh
on the twenty eighth, well, guess what, there are a
few tickets available. Go to Challenge Menia dot Live today.
Get your tickets because every single ticket comes with a
meet and greet, so you'll get to meet CT alongside
his Trader's Champ fellow traders Champ, I should say, Trischelle Cannetella.
We've also got the Brain Candy Girls in the house,

(01:59:57):
Hall of famers Susie Meister and Sarah, plus the Godfather,
Mark Long plus Derek Kazinski I.

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
Will be there as well.

Speaker 1 (02:00:03):
We're doing a panel, then we are doing pictures and autographs.
It's going to be a great afternoon at Celebrations Bank
with Bar and Grill. Go to Challenge Mania dot Live today.
Also Detroit, thanks for having an awesome pre sale this week,
but the pre sale is done, password is gone. That
means tickets are available to everyone over at Challenge Mania
dot Live for Detroit on October fifth, featuring.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
Wes and nine. We've also got tickets on sale for.

Speaker 1 (02:00:25):
Boston Beantown almost sold out Carl, Maria, Devin, Michelle and Ryan.
If that lineup sounds familiar, it's also because it's our
lineup for August thirty first in Chicago. Tickets available for
that as well. Go to Challenge Mania dot Live because
we are rolling through Pittsburgh, then Atlanta, then Los Angeles
for the road Rules Reunion, then Chicago then Phoenix, Tory,
Dial and Jody and Phoenix Hello. Go to Challenge Media
dot Live today. So much going on, but the headliner guys.

(02:00:48):
Get to Challenge Media dot Live because we just added
opening or ct Tamborello joining us in Pittsburg next Saturday.

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