Ep. 480: Shauvon Torres

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up, Challenge Maniacs.

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You may have heard that we are kicking off season
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Olivia's boo Theo, who as you know, is from Across
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speaking of Across the Pond, Rogan will be in the house.
We also know a few of the rookies are going

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Speaker 1 (01:43):
What's up, everybody.

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This is sky Yeger here with another edition of Challenge Mania.
This episode brought to you by season forty one of
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Speaker 1 (02:09):
One with a bang. You didn't come for me?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
You came for d I've got Derek on the line,
but boy, do we have a great guest here today.
We wanted to have her on for the whole seven
or eight years we've been doing this podcast. We finally
found her and we finally made some time to talk
to miss Shavaughn.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
How are you Helloh, hi, guys, I'm so glad to
be here with you. Let's shut it up. Excited to
share and talk and yeah, catch up with you guys.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's crazy, like to be honest, like,
I don't know how long it's been that we've been
in contact, but in like just like in the past
like year, I feel like we've been trying to reel
you in and you've you've been busy, like you you're
you're literally like, I just don't have an hour because
I have this, this, this and this going on. I

(02:57):
haven't even talked about the children's book that I don't
know if it recently came out or not, and I
don't think so, which might mean that Tory actually isn't
the first uh children's book author.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
I think it may have been Chavon. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
There's a few people in the real world road rules, uh,
challenge industry that do have a children's book out, we
can we can get into that. But she is also
what some might remember as the first one who thought
that her she may have busted her implant during one
of the challenges. I don't maybe the first, but not

(03:33):
the last.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
And we'll get into that.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
But uh, but yeah, like we were talking off air,
and you know, I think me and you haven't seen
each other since Cutthroat. We both had to kind of
go and do our research and like really, you know,
you know, go into our memory banks to see, like
when the fuck was the last time we saw Chavon
and how much did she actually do on the challenge.

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Coming from real world Sydney to everyone that's listening, we
gonna go back to two thousand and seven. We're gonna
go back to the dual two days. We're gonna go
back to the Ruins days. We're gonna go back to
the Cutthroat days. Chevan, welcome back to the challenge kind
of welcome to Challenge Mania.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
Welcome a Challenge Mania.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Thank you, thanks so much.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
My first question would be, look, as Derek said, it's
been quite a while, but I think when you add
the totality of those three Challenge seasons and that Real
World season, which was a I mean talk about a
Real World season that brought a lot.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Of faces to the Challenge World. Sidney, I think one of.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
The more fondly looked back on seasons of the show.
And of course, when you're on the Real World, you're
one of the seven stars of a show. We get
to spend three months watching you on TV. Then dual
two Ruins, Cutthroat. I would say, d you tell me
if you agree? Those three seasons land in what I
think is sort of the most beloved era of the Challenge.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
I think fans of this podcast look back on that
era very fondly.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
So even though really for you it was probably only
a couple of years in this wacky and wild world,
it made a huge impact and a huge dent on
this community, and they've been looking forward to hearing us
talk to you so well, that mean.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Like, to me, the best years ever. Like whenever end
like asked me, oh, like, how did you like it?

Speaker 5 (05:11):
How was it?

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Do you I'm like, no, those are the best years
of like my twenties, Like they were amazing. Real word, Well,
it's like I enjoyed the experience. I was in a
tough kind of pivot in my life where you know,
I was engaged and we bought this beautiful house and
built this house, and I had this whole life direction.
But you know, when I used to be a fan

(05:32):
in Real Ord not a flaw. People know that I
loved Real Word, you know, and people talk about it,
but I'm like, no, I loved Real World. I was
all about it. I watched it all the time. I
saw them like saying like submititate, you know how they
would show that back then, and I was like, you know,
going to Stack State University, I was a journalism major.
I knew I wanted to be on TV. I thought
I was going to be like a news anchor or
something totally like win, a different direction. But I was like,

(05:55):
you know, I'm gonna sumititate. So I had a tape.
I set it up like in our big stadium classroom,
and like was showing me like doing work and my
professor and then showing me on campus. And then I
used to be like I used to work in like
like you like a liquor girl, like a smearnoff girl
and things like that, you know, and so I showed
parts of that and then I showed me out with
my friends, and you know, I was bisexual, and so

(06:17):
I think when they saw the tape and they were
like and they labeled me like the blonde bombshell or something,
and so I was like, I'll take that, you know.
And so it was just they like basically called me
and said all right, you know, we get one hundred
thousand submission tapes whatever it is. And I remember them
being like, we're having this casting, which I think a
lot of people go to in person, and they're like,
we want you to go to that. We'll give you

(06:38):
the VIP and I was like sure, and so I
went to it at like a bar, which they usually do,
and there was a huge lde around the building and
I remember just walking up to the front going in
and it was like, I want to say, eight people
in the groups like circles, and as you guys know,
I talk a lot. I just dominated it. And then
they were like, I think out of the whole group,
ITO just chose me. And then they said, okay, we're

(06:59):
gonna call you for more. And then I think I
had a fly to La maybe once or twice to
interview in person and then yeah, and then that was that,
and I had to make a decision to officially leave
my fiance and go do this and that was like
the hardest decision and pivot because it was already going
in that direction. But you know, it's scary, right when

(07:21):
you feel like you have this whole white picket fence
and you're going this way to like leave that and
go on TV. And I didn't know where it was.
You know, they don't tell you, and so I didn't know.
I wanted to stay until the night before that. It
was Sydney, I can't remember, but but yeah, going and
doing that changed my whole life forever. And honestly, I'm super,

(07:41):
super super grateful to be and P and MTV because yeah,
I would not literally be who I am or where
I am today. Even though I had some hiccups on
the show, it was all worth It would never change
it in a heartbeat, because maybe who I am, you know,
isn't it isn't it?

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Isn't it weird when like the person that you love
or or the people that say they love you, uh,
see you getting ready to go on this like this
like adventure of a lifetime. But they're like, no, don't
do it. They're like they're like, no, no, it's way
it's way better here in Arkansas, you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Whatever.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Just to clarify when you and I didn't shoot on
archetis just whatever state there's there, there, there's you know.
I mean, it's like anywhere anywhere, just anywhere. So I
didn't mean to discriminate.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Did you mean leave him like leave him to go
or leave him like leave him, leave.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Him like give back the ring and the how ye?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Every okay?

Speaker 3 (08:48):
So, and I don't know a lot of people really
knew that because I was trying to hide that, like
I didn't want everybody to know, you know. And so
it obviously came out while I was on the real
world filming, right because he found out about it. And
that's another part which I don't know if a lot
of people know. But when he somehow is emailing and
first started that contact when I was filming the show.
You know, you're not allowed to say what it is

(09:10):
right by producers, so they were telling you have to
tell him it's to documentary. So he thought I was
gone filming and documentary, which he didn't know where it was.
And you know, I wish him all the love and
all like all the happiness. We were just not meant
to be together. But you know when you're trying to
gore something as you think it's right, but I'm like,
what is the word? Like, I'm a butterfly. I have

(09:30):
to fly. I have to go be me and who
I am. And he very much tried to keep me
in this bubble and say no, oh, that's another thing
which I'm not trying to talk bad on him, but
this is another crazy, crazy ironic thing is I was
not allowed to watch MTV. So when I was with
him and we were in our house, he literally was like,

(09:51):
you're not allowed to watch the show. It's like it's
not good for you whatever whatever.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
As an adult. This adult did not allow you, as
an adult to watch it.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
I swear, I swear to God. And I don't like
saying that because I don't want to make him live
in a bad light, but that it's true. It's my truth.
And I would while he was gone, I would go
in like wats of Real Road or watch whatever. And
so when I was submitting the tape and doing stuff,
it was behind his back, which is really sad. And
I shouldn't even how to do that. You know it
it breaks my heart, you know when I think back

(10:19):
on it now, But it was like it just none
of it was right and I was trying. But yeah,
So did you.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Tell them that when you when you were in the
casting process, did you kind of use them as like
a cathartic sounding board and did you let them know
that they.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Were like, Oh, she's amazing, She's sucking the relationship and
she's you know, a blonde bombshold girl and all out
there and bisexual and whatever the heck they were thinking.
They were like, you know, she's there twenty she's perfect.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
You know, we had people.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
A lot of people have said that when they were
growing up as children or teenagers, especially people who came
from sheltered places and upbringings, that they were not allowed
to watch MTV as like an adolescent. You're the first
person to say, like, in adulthood, someone you know, in
a relationship with you was not allowing you to watch
MTV and that you were, you know, waiting for him
to leave to go get the paper so you could

(11:09):
watch an episode of the Real World, and that you
were applying behind his back. If I'm a casting producer.
That is like crack to me to hear that sounds
like the greatest thing ever, that we could liberate you
from this and that you, like you said, are this
butterfly and we could, you know, let you out of

(11:30):
this cocoon and put you onto MTV.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
I think it is great. It was.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
I was liberated and all the way to Sydney. I mean,
what better was that. It's not like I went to
another state, one or two states away, right, I went
to Sydney, which that felt like could I get any
further away? So it was. It was amazing. It was great.
And you know, I don't know if anybody remembers, but
I'm sure a lot of you're like, well you left early.
He did start contacting and talking, and he did the ultimatum,

(11:56):
if you come home right now, we can get this
ever happened and make it work. But if you stay there.
I go, well, I want to finish, like I'm in
what I'm doing. I want to stay here. We can
see each other and try to see if we can
work it out after and he was like, no, you
either come home now and it's all good and forgotten
or that's it. And you know when I was talking
to Kelly Anne and being like what do I do?

(12:17):
And they're like, screw him.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Stay.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
But you know when you're in that situation, and we
were getting towards the end, We're about to go on
our vacation, and I'm looking like, okay, well I kind
of got everything I could out of the show already.
I could have stayed, but it was like, I don't know.
At that point, You're like, well, maybe I'll just go
and see. And that's my biggest regret. Like if anybody
asked what's your biggest regret, it was leaving. I shouldn't
have stayed and finished it. And it was crazy too

(12:41):
because our vacation was to the Great Barrier Wreath and
that's always been on my bucket list. So it was
also like, oh, they're leaving, Like so the day they
were leaving on the flight to go to Great Barrier
Relief is the reef is the day that I was
getting my flight to go back. So I don't know anyways,
and then I ended up going back and we together
like less than a month. I said this isn't right

(13:02):
and I left, So you know, that was the.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Craziest we do.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
We ask people they're casting story every time we do
this podcast, and like a lot of them are fairly
similar to one another. And oddly enough, you just even
being somebody who watched the Real World and wanted to
be on it, h and described yourself as just being
someone who wanted to be famous or on.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
TV things like that. That's actually the rarity now most people.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
It's like, oh, I was just working in the bar
that everyone else wanted to be on Real World. I
had never even seen it, or or I went with
my cousin he wanted to be on it.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I was just hanging out.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
The fact that you obviously wanted to be on it,
we're a fan of the show. That sticks out like
a sort thumb. And then also this with the ex
and this whole thing is just amazing and not amazing obviously.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
For you don't go on. I don't know. We've never
heard this before.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
I don't know what I mean. If people really say
they didn't know the show or just we just happened
to be there, who knows if that's the full truth
of people's story. I don't know. I'm always been honest.
I've always been a hunt of sent Real and that's
my truth.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, I just think that they didn't.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
They didn't they didn't show I think they usually didn't
love looking for people who were that sort of self
aware about wanting to be on TV, having seen the show,
almost almost having too much of a scouting report on
how the show was made, this and that. So I
think what they loved about these other people and why
they kind of plucked people who weren't ready for it

(14:24):
or whatever, is that if they got all those boxes checked,
but by somebody who they feel like they found, not
that they found them, you know. I think that's why
they kept going in that direction. And so, yeah, some
of them are probably maybe downplaying how much they liked MTV.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
But Derek, of course like that.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Why they may have with me knowing I wanted to
be because it wasn't just only real, but it was
like I want to be on TV, whether I'm like
an actress or a newsink, it was anything. And I
think I don't know, but just talking with you, thinking
in my head at the same time, like I wonder
if it was because I gave that sense of like
I care how I look. I will do my full makeup,

(15:00):
I will do my full hair, I will come cute,
like like you still want pretty characters right that you're casting.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Some people don't care.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
They roll up in their pjs, their hair is in
a crazy messy but they don't wear any makeup. They
got sleep in their eyes, like you know what I mean?
Like really, some people are just like they don't care
how they look. They could have been the factor of like, well,
we also know she's got a lot going on. She's
gonna bring a lot of fun to the show. They
saw the fun side of me too, and they're like,
but she's also going to care how she presents herself,
you know.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
So it listen, I was very messy.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
I waited in line for four hours, sweat my ass off,
playing hacky Sack.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
The entire way.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
Just didn't know that smoking pot every now and then
up until I finally got into the room with those
eight to ten people. Right yeah, yeah, But like but
you know what's funny is like is is is it's
weird because you're like in one way, You're like, oh,
I don't want to shoot on this guy, Like when
was the last time you, like do you still talk
to this guy?

Speaker 5 (15:56):
You're like, I'm not trying to say anything bad about
this no.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
No, no, no, no, we haven't talked since yeah, since since
that all happened.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
So what did he ever?

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Probably all twenty years ago.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
It's literally fifteen years whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
No, it's too true.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
I would never want to talk bad about anyone. So
and I think he's Barrin has kids and he's all
you know.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
But but but and here's the thing, Like a lot
of us cast members that like tell these stories like
back then, like the original cast members, like when we
tell these stories, like we always have some kind of
like dark you know, fucking family member, some ship, someone
close to us that like you know, we we spill
our guts to these producers to about and you know,

(16:41):
and for you, it was maybe.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
This guy right who you're like, yeah, he's.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Kind of like on my ass, like he won't let
me watch the show I've always wanted.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
To be on TV. You're coming and dialed up.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
It's like a secret, right, Like you're like secretly working
around him and and in some ways like he's he's
kind of the reason or a big reason how you
as to how you got on the show, right, like
like like same like say like similarly to like a
lot of US cast members who have like these issues
with our with our you know, a family member or

(17:13):
two or whatever, like in some in some weird way,
that that dark that that like you know, strange side
of that family is the reason why we're so kind
of like who we are, you know, it's true.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Well, yeah, because I don't ever want to be controlled,
and I don't think anyone ever should be. But I
think it was controlling, That's what it was. And I
was like whoa, And so it made me go the
complete opposite direction, which maybe I never would have right,
but that, yeah, it like makes us who we are
because I'm going to let anyone man or a woman,

(17:54):
you know, control me or tell me what I can
or can't do.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
You know, did this stuff air on the show? I
haven't seen it recently.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
When I came in, I to everybody in viewers, I
just looked like a single, fun girl, like I think
me and Isaac like shared a kiss on the camera
and then I kind of dated this Australian guy there.
I was just doing my thing like so no one knew,
but inside I was still going through like wow, like
I know what I just left and what's happening and
what he's probably going through back home, like you know,

(18:24):
in my mind. But I just kept it all inside
and just tried to have like the party life, you know,
and have fun. And then he started calling. Yeah, like
I think he emailed first, and they allowed me to
give him the phone number, but they said that I
had a say documentary and that's when we were talking,
and that's when the ultimatum started, and that's when I
had to make the decision. But again, this was, you know,
we're well into the season, over halfway through the season,

(18:47):
and that's when that started happening. And then I had
to make the decision.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
When you left, was it explained to the viewers why
you were leaving and that it was.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Because yeah, they knew, Yeah, because I had so many
conversations with the girls in the house about do I stay,
do I go? I was like seriously super torn, like
crying about like I don't know what to do, you know,
and yeah, and I just had to make the decision.
And I felt like I need because I felt like
I'd always say what if and I didn't want to
say what if? And I felt like, cause you just

(19:16):
I don't know, you just don't know. We obviously, you know,
I did love him right as a person, you know,
like you care about someone. So yeah. But then when
I went back it was the same thing. It was.
It was like I just knew right away it wasn't
meant to be. And then that was devastating because then
I had to leave twice, you know, so it was
really really tough, but to go on the positive stuff.

(19:37):
Once I had to like move out, I'm like, okay,
I'm going to move back to my mom's. This is crazy.
I just had my own house built and now I'm
back at my mom was like, what am I doing now?
And then that's when you start and say within a
few months, you start getting calls from people right trying
to manage you or say, oh, you know, do you
want to do club appearances? I'm like, oh, what's this?
Like I didn't know like the whole era after Real World,

(20:00):
I was so like Real World was my thing that
like I didn't really focus on the challenge stuff or
focus on all the like events and things you get.
So once I started getting all these calls, I was like,
oh my gosh, I get to travel to New York
and go party at a club. And I was getting
so many club bookings. So then I just went off
from there and kind of let that part be and

(20:20):
just started having a blast and traveling and doing all
the appearances and and then I started getting calls for
the challenge, right I was kind of like, oh, okay,
this is great, you know, and then it just skyball
from there and I just continued on with my life,
you know, and it just went on this upward, amazing
rollercoaster ride, as you guys know, with doing all the

(20:40):
MTV stuff.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
So sorry, I don't mean to stay on the guy.
But in the Real World season, but so you so
because there was a replacement on this season, right, was
it actually actually replaced you?

Speaker 5 (20:55):
Yes, that's correct, but you left the show.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Say so, this is like a six month This is
a six month thing, right that this remember how many.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Months we were? We were right up a little over
the middle mark. So actually, you know what, I take
that back, because I think Ashley was only there for
two weeks. I want to say, yeah, we were. Well
it's harder. I don't, you know, nobody quote me on
it if they can exactly remember, but we were we
were maybe we were three fours into it.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Maybe I feel like I feel like I feel like,
typically the normal real worlds are six months, but I
feel like this Overseas one was like shorter. I feel like,
not six months, maybe it was four months.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Call me crazy, though, but I always I always felt
like real world seasons were sort of like because obviously
you could take as long as you want to film them,
but then afterwards you can edit the episodes and kind
of front load them. Yeah wise, And I always feel like,
maybe I'm wrong, but I always feel like when someone
like yourself leaves, like again three quarters of the way through,
they end up sort of cheating it out where like again,

(21:58):
as you said, by the end of that season, the
replacement kind of feels like an afterthought and that nobody
even kind of remembers that you left at early. I
look back on the seasons where there's like a late
season replacement, and I always feel like they probably do, like,
you know, make sure that they get their their money's
worth out of that first cast member that they got
the intro, they moved in with everyone, and there's probably like,

(22:18):
you know, a couple more episodes you know, kind of
put onto that front end, and then the end kind
of just feels like Okay, the.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Trip and then a couple more and then goodbye.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
And that's why still replacement people feel like afterthoughts, you know.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
And that is what it felt like to me, because
I remember watching it to see like did they bring
someone on these I didn't even know if they were
going to bring anybody on, and I don't think the
other cast members thought they would either, because I mean,
we were at that point where it was further in.
We were you know how they always used to take
you on a really fun vacation because like, you know,
like the season's always really good and everyone does crazy
and does fun, and then it starts kind of dropping off, right,

(22:49):
And that's why I think, I don't know why. I
think they did those vacation trips to perk it back
up again, right, So we were getting towards the end,
but I just don't remember how much time was left.
But that's what my was like, Okay, they're going to
this like amazing destination. I want to go so bad,
but I've already lived so much of this show, got
so all the fun parts, it felt like we already
did and now we are working for that travel company.

(23:11):
So it was kind of like in my mind, like, Okay,
if I did go, I did get a lot out
of it already, and what if I am meant to
be with my So that's why it was kind of right.
I already was at the end in my mind almost.
But I can say it like that because if it
wasn't the end, maybe I wouldn't have left, Like I don't.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
Know, you know, so so yeah, no, completely, it makes sense.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Like you've already like you felt like you've fulfilled, You've
you've done as much as you possibly could. You've been
here for like months, and now you're like, you know what,
it's been three months, it's been two months, however long
it's been. I'm gonna give this guy, this this situation
another chance.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
So you go back. So you go home, you stay
with this guy and then come back to the show.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Well, I actually had to actually fly back to Australia
for they did like, you know, the shooting how they
do on We did it on the Sydney Harbor. It's
kind of like our walking shoot. I don't know why. Yeah, well,
so in the very beginning they did our individual shoots
where we were like walking and they had me walking
down like different areas. But I think because we didn't
meet each other. That's why I'm trying to remember. It's

(24:21):
because remember how like you go in the house and
you meet each other for the first time. So and
usually I guess when they do like you know, like
the group shots. Yes, yes, film that at the end.
Maybe they had me fly all the way back to
Australia because I had to do those group shots and
all that together. So I got to see everybody after.
But I remember I was already back with him, trying
to make it work, and I remember him being like,

(24:41):
you're not going back there, and I'm like, I'm obligated,
it's my contract, like and I wanted to go back,
you know, but he's like, you're not going. So I
just remember it being like this is not it, Like
this is just not it, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
So then last guy, last guy question, So did you guys?
So you guys, I assume timeline wise, maybe I'm wrong.
Did you break up for the second time before Real
World Sydney ends up airing?

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Absolutely, yeah, because we for maybe a month or something.
It was very short. When I went back, it was
very short. Could have been three weeks, could have been
a month. And then I know I how to fly back,
So I don't remember the exact but it was it
was very short. I already knew it wasn't right, and once.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
You had to go back and do the other thing,
you were basically done when you had to go back
and shoot again or no, no, it was.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, we were over a relationship over so you.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Didn't have to really because because what I want to know,
this is the sick person.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
We were trying to work on it when I had
to fly back, and I don't know, if I.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Didn't have to watch it, you didn't have to watch
it with him.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Like way, I told him to not watch it because
I think the thing with Isaac, which was just it
was just like nothing, it was silly. And the confessional
I think that with Isaac was maybe first or second.
It was like right away in the beginning of the episode.
So I was like, don't even watch it, like, don't

(26:03):
do it to yourself. So yeah, no, we were completely
broken up with that air.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
So yeah, so what happened was Scott, I don't know
if you remember this, Ashley does like she like I
just see like snippets right, like I don't know what
how my mind remembers ship but I do think that
when Ashley comes in for that like really small stay
like maybe like she gets like four total episodes, maybe
two episodes out of it or whatever, just like she

(26:28):
she comes in like cooked it. Remember remember how Cook
came into the to the Real World that she came
in on, Like, wasn't it like Ashley comes in, pisses
people off, hooks up.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
With Dunbar, Isn't it? Isn't it kind of how it works?
Am I am? I wrong?

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Un?

Speaker 3 (26:42):
I forgot.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
It's like there's two weeks to.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Go, I'm coming in a hook up like same thing
with like Cook during that real World a Real World
uh Vegas season.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
I think Cook comes in with like two weeks to
two weeks to go and she just causes.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
This so okay, so okay, I'm now I'm reacquainting myself
with this.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Actually with an eye she did compete on the island.
I'm now seeing that she made it through episode four,
so okay, okay, Yeah, you know it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
It's it is rare that the replacement people then get
brought in to do a challenge, especially when like yourself
and so many others from that cast went on to
do a challenge. I guess that would be did every
single person from Real World Sydney end up doing a challenge?
Because I mean it might be probably one of the
most Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
I think that's the only person.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Trishaw one, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
No, no a Trician ever did one.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, Marisa and Tricia.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
But yeah, I'm curious what happened.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
I thought she was gonna. I thought I thought she
was like in the like entertainment industry, like behind.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
The scenes she was. I went and hung out with
her several times in like La Area because she was
dating someone and so I've actually stayed at her boyfriend's
house with her, and so we still had a friendship.
But yeah, I don't know. I don't know if she
was just kind of like not wanting to do MTV stuff,
just kind of doing she she was was kind of
in that realm, but I don't really know. And then

(28:07):
I just kind of kept doing my own thing, you know,
and so yeah, we just kind of lost touch after that.
But I did see her and did talk to her,
and you know, was friends of their and stuff after
this show, but.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Didn't didn't Parisa get married and then everyone went to
her wedding or something like that, or am I just not?
Am I just maybe you weren't Maybe you weren't one
of the people.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, no, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
So let's talk I saw picked lets somewhere years ago. Yeah,
hard to remember.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Let's talk challenges.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
So you end up getting the calls, like you said,
to do these this next slate of challenges.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Of course you're getting, like you.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Said, appearance offers and bar appearances and whatnot. At the
same time, you're not necessarily known for having the most illustrious,
uh physically imposing career in the challenge world. You have
some early exits, some medical dqus, some losses, things like that.
But you're such a well known character and like you said,
you're you're a social butterfly.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
You brought such a great energy to the show.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Talk about like how you think you fit in to
this world where now there's a lot of like, you know,
not like you didn't really have some of this on
your season, but it's very agro, it's very competition based.
You've got the Dereks and the lands running around. You
got everybody wanting to win things like that. You know,
let me talk, let.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
Me remind her.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Let me remind everyone who was on Chavan's first challenge,
the duel too. We had Jen Grahalva, Ryan Keho, Derek McCrae, Ruthieu,
Damn I forget her name, Davis, Paula Landon, Mark Long,
Big Easy, Anissa, DM Dunbar, Evan Starkman, Isaac Katie Doyle

(29:50):
at the time, Rachel Robinson, Brandon, Tory Fiorenza, who or
not brand Tory Fiorenza anymore?

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Tory, Oh my gosh, we still talk. She's amazing. I
love her and Davis. Me and Davis are still super close.
He's coming in seeing me this weekend. We see really Yeah,
he comes and sees me probably, I don't know, three
times a year.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
So yeah, we just saw him.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
We were in Nashville in April and Davis came and
hung out with us. He was djaying a wedding when
we had our event, but he came and joined us
for dinner the day before and came to radio station
with us.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
And he's a swell fellow he is.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
I love Davis, Yeah, I love him. Oh stuffed cast,
you know. And that was my first challenge, and I
have to say with that one, it was hard. They
came on as a rookie and a lot of you
guys already had of the veterans had these solid friendships,
like it was super tough to come in as a rookie.
And then of course, like in the very beginning, we

(30:49):
had a party one night, and then there's that whole
thing they showed of me and Ceete, and then that
got everybody and I'm like, no, it was nothing. And
that got everybody like who's this girl coming in as
a rookie like, and I'm like, oh my god. So
it just like that was not good for me. So yeah,
when I was left standing, I remember at the end
and then I had a pick who I wanted to

(31:09):
go against. It was tough for me because even though
I'm a super girly girl, I am tough. And at
that point I was like, you know what, I'm looking
at everybody in line. I'm thinking, I know all the
girls are looking at like, no one's looking at me,
but Anissa's like giving me the eye, and I'm thinking,
you know what. In my head, I was like, Anissa
is a badass competitor. She is a tough cookie. But

(31:30):
I was like it was like nothing in the negative
against her, even though it looked kind of dirty when
we went against each other, in my head it was
more like, okay, everybody at this point is kind of
looking down on me because the seat thing. They're also
already clicked in friendships. So in my mind I thought,
if I pull someone that's easier that, I think I
can bet they're just gonna keep going after me. So
I felt in my mind like, you know what, I

(31:51):
have a fifty to fifty chance pull Anissa. She's the
toughest bitch, right, She's so good, and if she beats me,
you know what, I lost this one. That's amazing. But
if I beat her, that will stamp right now, being like, okay,
Shavan is no one we want to mess with. Maybe
we don't want to pick on her and call her out.
So it was something in that moment I felt like

(32:12):
I was going to keep getting called on to go in.
So I was like, you know what, I know how
this goes. I'm just gonna go ahead and go for it.
And you know, it was tough. It was hard, even
and they only showed a little clip of our thing.
It was longer of me and her battling when we
were in there, and there was two times I think
it was really close, but she won and it was great,
but it was dirty in the moment because she was

(32:33):
like kicking on my neck and you know, it was
like tough, and so I was pulling on her shirt
and I remember it was like it wasn't friendly and
we ended not good. But then it's all good, Like
I have no animosity, it's just because our adrenaline was going.
But really that's the only reason why I did that,
because I have a lot of people and even just
like fans message like why would you do that? You know,
and I'm like, I always feel like I need to

(32:54):
tell people, like it's just because I would have kept
being the one in every time.

Speaker 6 (32:59):
You know so so so you're there, So you're the
reason why Adam and CT are not in this photo.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
I'm not looking at this I'm looking at this one
photo that pops up.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
I know that's a hor.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
I'm not in this picture. You're not in this picture either,
which is just random.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
I don't know why which picture is it.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
It's just like, here, look the.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Halloween photo of everybody. No, oh, no, that one.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
Not to say that everyone's going to be in.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
A Yeah, I was there because I was in the group.
I was in like different group shots.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
Yeah, yeah, why I was there, I.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Just wasn't in that shot. But yeah, no, because that happened.
I don't know how many nights or whatever it was after,
but that was that was horrible. That was a horrific night.
I was there. I don't remember, yeah, because I was. Yeah,
I think I can't remember now it's been so long.
But it's art because of the whole weird stuff. But

(34:02):
you know, we don't want to touch on that. That
was just nothing, no big deal. It wasn't a big deal.
And I'm talking about with the me and cet. It
was nothing, you know. So but yeah, I gotta I
gotta question.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
You know, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
I got a question about the that that elimination.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
I'm sure everyone wants to hear more about the CT thing,
but I'm not gonna push. I'm not a pusher. That's
what she's saying about it, and that's what she's saying about.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
So, uh, the elimination with a Nissa, it was that
the one where the rings are hung and.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
Like on the back, like, well, that's the same one.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
That's like uh land in versus Brad that's the same
one that that that Landing and Brad go against and
that go against each other, that like legendary moment where
like land And finally loses to somebody. I think it's
during this season. Actually, I think it was a repeat.
I think the elimination was a repeat. Do you remember that?
Is this the same elimination that we're talking abou about.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
I don't know, because that would have happened after, so
I don't remember. You know. You know, sometimes you watch
the show and then if you're like okay, you go home,
you don't finish watching it, so I don't really remember.
But it was a good elimination, you know, And I
think it was wasn't that, Yeah, it was that one.
This just reminded me too, because we did Rugby the

(35:30):
day or two before. That was our first challenge. I
did really good at rugby. A lot of people don't
know this either, is I used to be a wrestler
in high school, so I'm really actually good at wrestling.
Well I mean I was then and anyway, so rugby
I loved. I was like, yes, it's not heights, not
in the air, this is great. So I actually did really,
really good at that. Challenge, but I sprained my ankle.
So when I did go into elimination, which was dumb

(35:53):
with me because I didn't think my ankle bother me
that much. I also had to do it with a
spray and ankle too, But it was a good It
was a good elimination. I felt like I tried as
hard as I could. My ankle really hurt. I went
up to somebody like when against someone that's really really good,
and he says, amazing, So it just is what it is,
you know, I just had to take that chance.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
So she so basically you you girls had to pull
like a pull like a ring off of off of
someone's back and then and then hang it up on
a hanging on a hanging like chain or something. Right, Yeah, okay, okay,
yeah that's sorry. I thought, Yeah that was that was
an a a dope elimination.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
Definitely.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, well, I mean, I mean, I mean you think
back at it, and again, these are things that you
learn after do the challenge. It's like people say, no,
don't try to go after someone that's crazy strong, like
go off for someone you know you can win, so
you can keep staying. And that's something you learn later.
You know, but at that point, I just felt like
I'm gonna have to go into the elimination every single time,
and it just wasn't worth it. And because I just

(36:50):
I just felt like I could make a name for myself,
you know, if I could have beat her, like if
I could have you know, that could have been awesome.
So but yeah, so, and I I was you know,
when I was at home, you know, before I would
go on this on adultal duel to or even the
Ruins the next one, you know, I was always traveling
and doing the appearances and partying with my friends, like

(37:11):
I live in San Diego, like a super like beach
party town, Pacific Beach if anybody knows of that. And
and I was just having fun. I wasn't training. I
was doing like light girl workouts at the gym, you know.
And then that was it. So I wasn't someone that
was coming in as ooh, I'm going to compete and
really try to you know, beat everybody and win the money.
I'm like, I'm coming for a great time, like let's drink,

(37:32):
let's party, Like I'm here for like who's all hooking up?
Like I was here for the fun stuff. And that's
really what it was, and I didn't take it serious
in that other way, and I thought I could just
come have fun party with everybody. And it was a
great time when we did party. But then, you know,
when it came to the Challenge time, it was like,
oh shit, you know, I'm not physically prepared for this stuff,
you know.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
But I think that's what a lot of the the
Challenge All Stars fandom actually misses from the TV personalities
that we're getting nowadays is is that I feel like
that they want that, like those personalities back on their
TV screens and not so much like the super athletes.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
So well, it's fine, like if people want to watch
the fun, lighthearted stuff. I get so many messages like libous,
you don't have like a ton of followers. And actually,
the reason why I even started my MTV Instagram pages
because Mark, when you guys write come out of COVID,
when he started doing the All Stars, he asked me
for every single one if i'd want to go. I
think there was like three back to back, and I

(38:39):
was like, I'll think about it, and then I mean
I still And that's one thing too, is like after
I got done with Cutthroat, they kept calling for years,
like for years, still being like Okay, here's the next
one coming up, you know, and so I'd always get
the availability calls and I'd always say, you know, maybe
I'm thinking about it. I never would say no, and
then I truly would think about it, depending on like
what I was doing in my life, and I didn't

(39:00):
want to go back, but I was like, you know, no,
I'm a skip on this one, and then I would
think about it, and then I remember Dan at one
point was like, Okay, Shaman, we've been asking you for
like six years, like there's gonna be point where they're
going to stop. And I was like, oh oh, but
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
You know.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
He's like, we can't keep asking and you keep saying no,
and I'm like, I just don't know. And then I
kept waiting, and then life was happening. And then yeah,
when Mark was like, hey, we're going to start doing
the All Stars blah blah blah, I was like, all right,
you know, I don't have my life out there to
the public. So I was like, I'll make a page
that is public, start kind of sharing some photos of
like me and like what I'm doing, and just to

(39:34):
kind of have myself out there, and so that's why
I started that kind of like sharing and then I
even got the which I was really shocked, and I
was like, I just love B ANDP. I'm always like,
I love you guys, thank you for always thinking of me.
But even for the challenge forty and so I was like, oh, wait,
you mean not All Stars like the normal one, and
they're like yeah, and I was like, oh my gosh,
they must be bringing everybody back. This is dope. And

(39:57):
so I really thought about that. I don't know what
ara I would have been, but I was like, that
would be so true. And I did think about too too,
ra too Yeah, so that would have been fun. But
then I was like, I don't know, I just have
so much going on, like in my real life that
it's hard to like pause and walk away from you know.
So that's kind of like, but I do always think

(40:17):
about it. I haven't told Mark, like, I don't know.
A week ago he messaged me and I was like,
I'm thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
So what about Okay? John? This is John Headless.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
He's very up on all of the rumors for all
past seasons All Stars especially. He says on the departure
day for All Stars too. It was initially leaked that
you were part of the cast Chevan. Were you very
close to being on the season or was this a
complete error by as he put it, the spoiler team.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
I'm not saying.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
I don't know wha.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
I'm not gonna say, because you know, there's things you
have to with BEMPE keep private. So wait, whether it's
or not, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Wait, let me help, wait, let me help, let me help.
So what the spoilers we can't give out now are?

Speaker 5 (41:02):
What's going on now?

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Now?

Speaker 4 (41:04):
The spoilers from twenty and twenty one.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
I think it's fair game.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah, if you were close to going, it's fair to tell.

Speaker 5 (41:12):
So here's so here's the question. So here's the question.
So here's the question.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
At any point, like during the All Stars one, two,
or three, I did all I did all three of them.
So I remember like this was the first time I
had been called back for my first season of.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
The Challenge since uh shit, what was it before that?

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Thirty thirty was in two thousand and seventeen, twenty seventeen,
So they called me for All Stars in twenty twenty one,
and then they and then I did three in a row,
and I hadn't done that since when I first started,
when I was like nineteen twenty years old. So I so,
I guess the question is is like, how close were
you to actually, you know, be doing All Stars back

(41:54):
then in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Was it close?

Speaker 3 (41:59):
I don't know to find how close close. I didn't
sign any contracts.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
I didn't seem like the ball was in your court.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yes. I mean I don't know,
but I think it was, yes, in my court. If
I said yes, I would have been on there, I'm sure.
But you know, the first one, when they first, the
very first All Stars, I remember it was like super
out of COVID still and I was and it was
like super short notice. I was like, wow, you guys
are fuielding this really fast, and I really really was

(42:28):
contemplating it. And then with that one, the reason why
I didn't is my grandmother, which now passed away, and
I was so close to her. She got COVID in
the it's kind of like a memory care because she
had dementia, like the home, and that was super scary
because that's when you don't know, like what COVID's going
to do and especially to you know, so that in

(42:48):
that middle of me making that final decision, which was
very close, then that happened, and I was so scared,
and so I was like, I just couldn't the other
two I really really thought about. The one part it
was hard for me at that time, which I think
made my decision was that I had to stay in
a hotel for seven days before filming because of COVID,

(43:10):
and I had an eight year old, you know then
she was what was she four five? And I'm like,
I can't leave my four or five year old for
an additional seven days just to be sitting in a
hotel then the time that we film. So that was
my hardest point for me. And then the next one,
the third one, I think they were getting easier on it,

(43:30):
where if you were vaccinated, you didn't have to stay
in the hotel, but if you weren't vaccinated, you did.
So it was the same situation, and so that's for me.
I honestly would have did it. I was there. I
during COVID. I started training really hard and cut back
on the drinking, and I probably looked the best that
I had looked in a long time, and I felt

(43:52):
extremely strong, and I live in Hawaii, and so in
Hawaii you were still allowed to go run only if
you were exercising go on the beaches. So I was
exercising on the beach, running in the sand every single
day because there's nothing else to do, right. Everything was
on lockdown, Everything was shut down. So I really really
considered it. I talked to Kelly Anne, are you doing it?
Because me and Kelly had have kept in touch all

(44:13):
these years, and so I'm like, if you go, I'll go.
I need to feel comfortable. But then yeah, I really
would have did, especially one of those three. I was
probably like nine nine percent there, But it was just
the hard part. Leading my daughter. She was just so young,
and I was like, who's going to watch her? Like,

(44:37):
how am I going to do that?

Speaker 2 (44:38):
You know, well, hopefully, Look, I know it's been obviously,
they've had season four, they've had season five. We're all
the way up to hopefully season six. Rumors are casting
calls are going out around for that. This obviously is
going to make its way onto a lot of people's
desks and phones and things like that, and you wouldn't
be the first cast member that you know, maybe got
a call after appearing on our podcast, and who knows,

(44:59):
maybe you already got one. But so let me ask you,
how do you feel about it today? In what is
this July twenty twenty five, eleven after I had to
look at the calendar or remind myself what month it is,
how do you feel about it today? Because obviously that was,
like you said, in the middle of COVID where everyone
was sorted. It's a completely different landscape. You mentioned you
live in Hawaii.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
Things like go ahead, and you don't have to us
exactly what's going on, if there's anything going on behind
the scenes. But if if there was an opportunity uh
in the future to do All Stars, how close would
you be to doing it?

Speaker 5 (45:33):
Obviously your daughter how much?

Speaker 3 (45:35):
I can't say or anything, but there is an opportunity, So.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
That's all you have to say. That's all I have
to say. Okay, well let's tell you that. Let's focus
on the past. Then we won't get us into any trouble.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Chad wants to know, and this can include All Stars too,
But is there a season you turned down? Because you
mentioned they did come calling after you stopped appearing, they
kept calling. Was there a season you turned down or
all ultimately weren't cast for that you wish you could
have played on.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
So I don't know how much you.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Paid attention to these seasons after the fact, you know
about them, where they went and things.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
But well, I mean it was and I'll be honest,
I'm not I'm saying this completely humbly. I've never I've
never said yes to a show and then say no.
Never and I don't so I've never been turned down.
I've never ever had them put me in lineup with
me saying yes and then not cast me for something.
Anything that I ever said yes, they did, and I'm

(46:28):
super grateful for that. I've always told them, thank you
guys so much, like I feel very blessed that they
do think about me and call me AND's like that.
But I would say yeah every time. I just kept
getting the availability call, which was just it felt like
for every season after but I just have to say no.
Just things that were going on, and I don't know,

(46:48):
I just I was getting into a certain different point
in my life that I was feeling, like, you know,
career wise, was going good, and I was like, do
I stop this and go on the show. And for me,
it's not like it's it's like, oh, I'm going to
go and I'm actually gonna win this challenge. You know,
it was harder for me. It was kind of like
do you uproot your life? And the challenge was starting
to turn as it was evolving, Like, Okay, when I

(47:10):
used to watch it before I was on it, those
were my favorite, like, let's scooter butt on ice, Let's
like do all these fun rub your body with oil,
like all that fun stuff. That's what I love about
the show, you know, And that's why I used to
tell Mark, like bring all that back? Where was all
the fun stuff?

Speaker 5 (47:27):
You know.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
And so as the show was evolving and it was
turning more like everyone was getting to be like athletes,
like truly athletes and athletic, I was like, this show
was not really for my type anymore. The type that's
the fun that wants to go on and like enjoy
ourselves and do these fun challenges. It was turning into
more like super athletic challenges, and you know, and it's

(47:49):
great to watch. I think it's the best show in
the world, you know, but it was getting to where
my character I didn't know was fit for it. And
that's why I was making that decision to step back,
and then that's how it started. After I kept saying like, no, no,
not not at this time, check back next time, you know,
and then hints fast forward.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
So did you like, for instance, like you know, we
talked about how those seasons you.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Were on or look back very fondly, and I think
we're yes.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
It was kind of like the uh, the crux of
the fun ice melting days and then also maybe getting
a little bit more competitive and and that kind of
middle ground. There is why I think it's so beloved
is it had kind of the best of both worlds.
Some people think it might fee a little bit too serious. Now,
maybe it wasn't competitive enough back then, the in the
early two thousands, but when you were on it is
when everybody kind of really thinks it was that magic.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
You know, whatever it was, it was the magic.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
It was enough of the fun and the mix and
the mixed characters and enough of the really athletic, you know,
strong girls and guys, and it was a good mix.
So it made it fun because not everybody was so
good and so athletic and so fit. And then you know,
some people are boring. Now, no offense did you feel
like they're great and they're in shape and they're going

(48:59):
to watch, but they're boring, you know, they don't have
much to bring to the table. They're just like you're like,
oh my gosh. You know, I'm not going to say
any names.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
But no, you don't have to say names.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
Well you can if you long it.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Yeah, feel free, feel free, feel free.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
But but there's it's funny because nowadays it's it's crazy
because you know, obviously, on one hand, as we mentioned,
it's not like your resume is filled with first place
finishes and accolades. But when we told people you were
coming on the podcast, they were infinitely more excited than
no offense, they would be if we said we were
having on like one of the last few champions of
the show.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
So, I think the connection that people made with you
again during that period and people from that period are
just a little stronger based on the type of stuff
that they highlighted on the show, the type of stuff
you guys were going through with each other on or
off camera, things like that. And now I do think
because of how social media is such a big part
of you know, honestly, the job description for being a

(49:53):
reality star.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
These days, I think that the.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Show is almost like, you know, it's almost like not
even playing as large of a role so media is
when it comes to people's connection with you guys. I
do feel like the era you guys were on you
often see that when people kind of stepped away from
the challenge as you did, and you could tell me
if I'm wrong in saying this, you kind of, you know,
made it a clean break right where you didn't necessarily
follow along from afar, you didn't still have the social

(50:17):
media or at least a public one and things like that,
and you felt like, oh, I have to kind of
put this in the rear view to kind of take
my life and job and stuff in a different, you know, trajectory. Now,
it feels like, because of the way social media is
so important for obviously starting businesses and things like that,
you want to almost take with you all the people
who you know from a show and things like that.
And again it's kind of unofficially part of the job description.

(50:38):
You don't see that as much. It's sort of like
you kind of enter into the contract almost having the
following and to begin with, because actually that's how they
cast people these days.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
They don't mind people up at bars.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
They do it based on the Instagram following, So I'd
love to know do you think that that played a
role in the way that you separated yourself from it, Like,
for instance, if you were if you had landed on
the show in the last couple of years, when social
media was so such a you know, synergistic part of
the thing, do you think that it would be different
than how you kind of, you know, decided to step
away so cleanly when you did.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
I mean I was even surprised when they even did
like the availability call for Challenge forty, because I have
such a small following, you know, because the page and
I was even kind of like really like surprise. But
I think I think the fans still want the fun characters,
and they're like, you know, and it's not even to
call ourselves characters because we're just who we are. But
I think when they were thinking, probably, all right, we

(51:33):
need all like the cares that people love, and we
want to bring it back to each one. But I
was just really I was really like like super honored.
I was like, oh my gosh, really, and I don't
know what would have happened or not. But but yeah,
I don't know. I think social media, you know, I
get that the more followers people have, that they want
to cast those people because in it's way just to

(51:53):
keep sharing and keep it growing. So I get why
they're doing it, but I think there's still a lot
to be said about people that, you know, I don't know,
just it's whatever the fans want. If the fans miss
a character or personality, that's who it should be. It
shouldn't be about followers or whatever, because everybody can have followers,
and nowadays a lot of those followers, you know, they're

(52:14):
doing you know, sponsorships and they're they're you know, influencers
now and there's a million other people following. It's like,
it's really what the fans want, What the fans want,
that's what matters, and that's who they should just do
polls or I don't know if they do. But you know,
who do you want to see? Like this is who
it should be on there, you know, because that's who
they want to see on their screen.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
So yeah, I definitely think that they want to see
the uh uh I popped my I think I popped
my Implantavon on their screens.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
I feel like that is that not the Is that.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Not the moment that you're well, you were there, right?

Speaker 5 (52:47):
I was there, Yes, I was there, But.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
I feel like I wasn't like laughing as hysterically as
some other people were, because I was like, wait, like
I just like envisioned what that could possibly mean, Like
if you like, if if a woman falls on like
on her.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
And it slides out or something like, I don't I
don't understand how that would work. I'm like, how does
she know? Like I had so many like thoughts.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
I was like, did it like did it just like
did it like pop.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
Inside of her body?

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Did it just like did it like blast through a
you know, a former scar?

Speaker 5 (53:23):
And just like is it walking out? Like what does
she mean by that? How does she know that she
popped it in? Did she actually pop it? But eventually
you do leave the show?

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Right?

Speaker 6 (53:34):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (53:35):
They told you know if you medically can't continue, what's
that called?

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we like.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Medically can't That's what happened. Okay, So just to back up,
so again, we all know I'm not in the best shape, right,
we know that that's obvious. So I think it was
remember a few days before. What the challenge was, how
we had to like get linked to a rope and
remember how like they hung us from like this rope
all the way down and then climb up. So because
they all knew, Okay, I'm not super strong in my arms,

(54:04):
I probably can't start at the bottom and climb all
the way up. So we thought which now thinking about it,
I don't know if that was the best idea. Who
knows what the best idea was, but was to put
me under dunbar. So what was hard for me is
members that were holding on and everyone. I had every
you know, two hundred pounds man that was on the
whole chain, plus all the girls climbing on top of
me because I'm at the top right, so like my arms,

(54:27):
my shoulders, my whole body was bruised because it's not
like I was at the bottom and only have one
person climb on top of me. I had the whole
chain besides dunbar, and so my arms trying to push
people up boast them and them stepping right like I was. Again,
if you're a man and you have muscles, you can
do that, but I didn't have a lot of muscles,
so I was literally trying to push all these people up,

(54:49):
and then by time it got to me like to
unlatch and try try to even climb, I couldn't. And
like they edited really short, but there was a while
where I was a try and the dunbar just let
me go. Well when he let me go, he didn't.
He's such a jerk. He didn't say, hey, I'm just
going to drop you, okay, like we can't do it
or you can't do it, because I couldn't after pushing
everybody up after they're climbing on me, I used all

(55:11):
my like top body muscle, like I was already shot,
so I couldn't even pull myself at that point. So
but if he would have just said, hey, I'm going
to drop you normal and I don't know if a
lot of people like solid or not, but if he
would have dropped normal party and then find he didn't,
I mean, I don't even know if they showed, we'd
have to go back and watch and like frame it.
But the way that I fell when he let me
go was smacking. So I was already so sore in

(55:37):
like my upper body and not so much by chest,
but the way that I like smacked the water because
that was really hot, like it was a far or fall,
and I felt really awkward and weird. Anyway, So when
we came to that one, when we had my upper

(55:59):
body was already still sore, like I'm already not in
that greatest shape, so now I have to grab a
rope and swing. My upper body was already you know
when you're like work out really hard and your muscles
are like torn and sore. It was like that for me,
So I was like, I can't do this, like I
already know I can't grab on this rope hold my
body weight, which would already be hard for me. Now
I'm super sore and bruis all over. Remember you climbing

(56:21):
on me to get up up that rope. So it
was already hard. So when I ran and jumped, I
didn't even have my arms resole, so I didn't even
have any strength the hold on and that's like how
I fell. So that was like the fault. And when
I fell, it was like this burning sensation, like overwhelming
burning and hot is all I can describe. It was

(56:42):
so painful, like I remembering underwater coming up like almost screaming,
like oh my gosh. It was so painful. So when
I was coming out swimming to that guy on the edge,
which is like the safety guy, I was like, I
think I busted my implant, like this actually really happened,
like it was so painful. And then that's when I
got They were like, dun it again, am I tell him?
I'm like, I like, I know I can't hold the

(57:04):
rope because I know how I was feeling. It was
so sore, and so to appease everyone, you know, I
just ran off. But I didn't even hold on to
and I just ran to let go really quick because
I could, and I was like in so much pain.
But yeah, that was so scary. So even when I
was like thinking, oh my gosh, I'm in Thailand, like
did I did? This just happened to my chest, Like
what's gonna happen? So all that's scary. I'm in so

(57:25):
much pain. And I go in the back of the
ambulance and this isn't something else I've never shared either,
I don't think. I don't know if I've ever really
shared this before. But I was in the ambulance and
you know, they had they sent one camera guy with me,
and of course he's like can't talk to me. And
then the two people that are in there, like you know,
who are the emergency people? They don't speak any English
and they were like pulling this shot out like trying
to give me a shot. And I'm like, no, like

(57:47):
what are you trying to give me a shot of? Like,
and they couldn't speak English. So I'm looking at the
camera guy like what is it? Like I'm so scared,
and he was like like I can't talk to you,
and he's just filming me, like like, can't talk to you,
and I'm like going and so I was just crying,
like this is so scary, and that's that like horrible
shot they showed me crying. But I was in so
much pain. And then you know, of course went to
the hospital and all of that, and that was just

(58:10):
really bad. But when I did go back to the
house and they said you're not medically cleared, I had
to go home and go see a plastic surgeon and
make sure you know, everything it wasn't rot shirt and
everything was okay, Oh my god. And that side note too,
that flight home was the most painful flight. Do you
know when you're injured and you have to fly back,
like how many hours is that eighteen? I don't even

(58:31):
know what it was. That was the most painful flight ever.
But when I went back, I don't think they showed it.
They could have, we wouldn't have to watch the episode.
But I actually showed the girls and this other thing.
I had no clothes, right, I only had the hospital
gown because the clothes I wore, remember was like whenever
we got wetted. So I had the hostitle gown. So
I go, I'm not going back into the house with
be a hospital gown. I need clothes. They're like, well, whatever,

(58:54):
it was too far from the house, and they're like, well,
we can't go get you closed from the house. It's
too far. And I'm like, what am I supposed to
win back in that house to stay by everybody? And
I'm like, I'm not going in a hustle again. So
they went to this like tie random store and just
like grabbed a dress and that's that orange dress I'm
wearing with no raw. I don't think I had underwear
on because there's like I had no dry clothes. Anyways,

(59:16):
but I go in the house and I do go
in the bathroom and show several of the girls I
don't remember which girls it was because they were like,
are you really and I'm like, no, one black and blue.
So we went in the bathroom and I actually showed
them because I was like purple and black and blue
all over my chest and my abdomen. And then yeah,
I went home. And you know, another crazy part to
that is, I don't remember I think it was in

(59:39):
like maybe it's BMPMTV, but or Viacom, but you have
that clip of that fall. I guess I got a
million views on YouTube, so I got like this plaque
or something from like I don't know it was YouTube
or MTV, but I remember like something saying like a
million views. And because of that inside addition, wanted to
interview and I just feel like it's the most funniest things.

(01:00:02):
I'm like, Okay, for one, being an Inside Edition is hilarious,
but two, because of my implant, and I remember at
least set at this full big interview in this hotel.
They actually came to me in San Diego and their
interviewing and it's all serious because it's Inside Edition, and
it's like the whole and I'm like, this is the
most hilarious thing in the world. So that was something

(01:00:23):
out of all that. I don't know, but I guess
a million people wanted to watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
You know it is, I think to this day, I
think it is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
It is one of the most iconic moments in the
history of the show. For those of you guys who
don't remember and want to look up the episode name,
it is called the Booby Trap. For anyone wondering why
the challenge still has not won an Emmy to this day,
that episode was aptly named the Booby Trap.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
So I got to know at the clip.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
What makes the clip the clip to me is that
you say out loud and there's a subtitle, I believe
I think I popped my implant. Now I got to
ask in the moment because had you not said that,
had there been sort of uncertainty about what happened and
we needed to just find out after.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
I don't think it gets a million views, you know,
get on Inside Edition.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
We're probably not even talking about it here today because,
to be honest with you, I forget if she said
this publicly, So I won't say a cast member in
recent seasons popped her implant on a season it wasn't
obvious on the show she came home or realized shortly
after she had to get it fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
But it wasn't like a big moment.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
And to me, the difference is that moment of you
in the water saying it out loud. They have the subtitle.
That's why it's a million view clip on YouTube. In
the moment, what made you say that? Was it just
first thing that popped in your head? No, pun intended?

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
No, did you think I have no?

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Because I mean I would never think to say that
and think about in the moment. That would be really embarrassing, right,
So it's not like you would want to say that.
It's because I was like, oh my gosh, I think
this really happened, because it was burning and hurting so bad. Right,
So it's like it wasn't for like nowadays do the
craziest things on social media for attention, right, what clipping

(01:02:03):
whatever the heck they do. That could be what someone does,
But back then, it wasn't about that. There wasn't that.
It wasn't about that, Like that was not the first
thing from my head. It was just like, oh my gosh,
I think this happened, like and I was really just scared,
you know, and maybe it was such a big deal
because not so many people had implants, like I don't know.
Nowadays every woman has them for me, I don't know,
I don't know why Why would a million people need

(01:02:26):
to watch that clip?

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Like, well, I think it's it's a symbol.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
So it's a symbol again to go back to what
that era of the challenge represented, right, it is someone
like yourself who is obviously wants to be well put
together on TV, this, that and the other thing, but
doing something that is so extreme that if you land
the wrong way, who knows what's going to happen. And
that moment where you say that is the perfect explanation
of what the challenge is. It's people, not again, I

(01:02:51):
agree with you, a lot of people have implants, but
it's people who have implants but doing crazy stuff where
they might pop them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
And that literally is like the challenge in a quote, right,
I think I popped my implant, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Like, you know, you're not probably not doing that modeling
or you know, acting or doing this that you other thing,
whereas the challenge though that might happen, and has in
fact happened, if not even once, maybe several times since
so I think it is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
I think if there was like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
An unofficial or even official rankings of the most iconic
moments on the challenge. Obviously you know, eliminations this and
that and Johnny Steel in the money, but that to
me is one that people mention all the time. Like
that's why it's such a delight to have you here today,
because like you, you're probably at the grocery store in
Hawaii and the person is just like, are you the
you know the the you know so?

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
But hey, I got a.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Play so so so, all right, here's the here's the
million the million dollar YouTube question.

Speaker 5 (01:03:45):
Did you actually pop your input?

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
So?

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
So so, all right, here's the here's the million the
million dollar YouTube question.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
Did you actually pop your inplant?

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
I did not. Yeah, they're still here, they're still they're
still happy and great and all is good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
So what was the official injury diagnosis?

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Then?

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
Was it just a it was like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Really torn muscle, I guessed, and nerve damage. Yeah, yeah,
it's been so long and I was like black and blue.
It was really bad. It was really sore. I remember
I went to a plastic surgeon and he basically like
almost taped my boobs like like this like in a
space and then put like this almost like a girdle thing.

(01:04:49):
It was weird, and I just had to like go
like this and just like I couldn't move my chest
so and I think that was for maybe three weeks
or something, so so I did have to be I
guess they wanted to keep the it's like so way
too much, but I guess they wanted to keep the
implants in the correct spot and then let the muscle

(01:05:10):
and nerves heal around it, maybe so like a mummy.
So I was like a little like a mummy for
three weeks, just all bandaged up. But that but that
was it and then it just ended up healing. And
I mean, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Know, not much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Are you okay with the Are you okay with the
fact that, look, the oversimplification of it is, uh that you,
you know, Shaban popped her implant? Like technically you didn't,
But are you okay that the oversimplification of that moment
is still because you said it, because that's the quote
forever it will be that you did pop your implant?

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Is that okay with you?

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Yeah, I mean it is what it is, you know.
I'm such like a free spirit open. But like, I
think that's one thing why you know they like casting
me because I just I am who I am. I
don't pretend or sugarcoat anything, and it doesn't bother me. Yeah.
I think it's funny, it's hilarious, laughing missed.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Yeah, things become folklore. They get misquoted over time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Everybody thinks that Darth Vader says, Luke, I am your father.
He actually doesn't. He just says, no, I am your father.
So you know there's things over time it will be
that you. But even though now on Challenge Mania were
setting the record straight, you did not in fact pop
it that day.

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
No, yeah, all right, lets that blows my mind. I'm
not I heard it here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
You know you know the truth?

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
Now, Yes, all right, let's talk about the last time
we saw you on the Challenge It also did not
end uh extremely well.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
I believe it ended on a on on quitting. Thank
you quit?

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
I do you want to talk about that? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
Go ahead, perfect? Oh yeah, because all I have is
all And I can't remember.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
I was on the show too. It was it was
cutthroat is in the Czech Republic.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
I was there. I vaguely remember it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
I don't know if this was the slapping elimination, the.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Coral or Vinnie. I don't know. There was two.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
Oh gosh, do you remember that? Okay, wherever you want
to go with this, No, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Just like, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
The first thing I want to say about this is,
you know, the first challenge I did, I was a rookie,
didn't even know what I was getting into, right, That's that.
The second one, which was dual too, you know, I
was in that whole. I was like, Okay, I know
people more like now, I have friendships built. I'm not
a rookie, you know, and I was excited to come,
you know, compete and like all that good stuff, you know. So,

(01:07:38):
but I was still not working out in training and
still partying right. Well, then when the third challenge came along,
when I left after that one, I healed and then
I started actually training. And if you go back like
not that I look like I'm super fit, but if
you go back and look at me in that last challenge,
you'll see I am like slimmed up, I am more tone.
I was working out. I actually came on that challenge

(01:08:02):
ready to compete. Out of any of the other ones.
I took it more serious. I took it like, Okay,
I can't just come and like I'm still going to
be me. I'm still going to drink and have fun
and like and I did you know, but I was
in better shape and I actually tried and wanted to
So that was the one thing when I came into it,
I was like, Okay, I'm not still not super athletic,

(01:08:23):
but I am more in tune to be able to
try to these challenges. So that first challenge we did
where we had to run into the bunker, I just
want to say, like, I mean, our team won that challenge, right,
but out of that I ran just as fast as
on bunker as everybody else on my team did. When
I was in there as pair of the JD, that
was painful. I mean, I still think I have like
chest problems from that damn shit we were breathing in.

(01:08:46):
But like in there, it's not coming out of our nose,
mouth ears. It's the ugliest thing we could go through, right,
It's painful, it's not pretty. JD couldn't remember his numbers.
I had to go on his side and mind side
and remember both of our numbers. So I had double
work run back out. I was the only one on
my whole team to remember the code and get it
the first time. Everybody else had to run back twice

(01:09:07):
and they only had to remember one set of numbers.
So I was super proud of myself in that challenge.
I'm like, finally win a challenge. I remember the numbers,
double the numbers, and remember I didn't have to run
back twice, like I felt. Really, I felt like I
finally did something in my team that like they'd be
proud of. Like it just felt good for me in
that moment, like all right, I tried to come in

(01:09:29):
a better challenger and I felt like it started off
really great and I was really excited about that. But
then you know, it just went downhill where you know,
I didn't rewatch. I don't remember exactly, but I remember
with Sarah was just trying to say stuff about like
convincing me not to be on the team, and I
think we had that one thing where I was scared
of the heights because I think I remember I should

(01:09:50):
have rewatched it, but where we had to run and
jump on these platforms, and I remember like, okay, am
I gonna be able to do this? Am I gonna
be able to do this. And then I remember I
think Laurel, which she's really tall and athletic, flipped or
couldn't do it or something and snacked the water. And
then I remember seeing Katie and she hurt herself, and
then my fear went from like, Okay, I can maybe

(01:10:13):
do this. I'm a better shape dude way up here,
and I'm like, oh this like freaking out and I'm
that I just remember being like but and everybody has
to remember what happened to me this season before. I
almost busted my implant and hurt myself, and I remember
seeing like Katie and Katie got like a black eye,
remember like like it was a really bad.

Speaker 5 (01:10:34):
Oh yeah, she busted her old face black that's what.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
And Blue team, Oh yeah, the black guy. She got
two black guys from doing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Laurel's like one of the best girl competitors, and she's
really long, so like you had to like almost have
hops or have long legs so you can like jump right.
And so I remember like, okay, if Laurel can't do it,
and then I, you know, I saw what having Katie,
I'm like, I probably can't do with it, and so
and then having the fear of already hitting the water

(01:11:03):
last season. I was like, it just it's like all
my fear came back. I'm like, I'm not going to
I can't do this. And I was like, send me
the relation. I don't care. I remember Abram was super
sweet about it, like he was like I remember, he
was like, it's okay if you're worried. But Sarah was
just being a complete jerk. She was just pissed. I
remember that, but and I don't remember how whatever it

(01:11:23):
aired because it's been too long as i've seen it.
But I just remember how Sarah was making me feel.
And she was almost like almost like manipulating a little
bit because she was just kind of like, you know what, well,
you know, if you don't want to be here or
go home Ork, but you're not all the way in it,
maybe it's better to go home so we have a
better chance of winning. And you know, I think some
people would have been like, screw you, I'm gonna stay,

(01:11:46):
you know, But I don't know. I don't remember now totally,
but it was something like that, And there was just
other little things going on. Me and Vinnie had a TF.
It was just weird stuff. I just remember being like,
I don't know, I'm missed, going to go home. Went
just over it, and you know, and it's hard when
like I felt like I did train and I wanted
to be there and I felt in better shape, and

(01:12:07):
then we won the first challenge and I felt like
it was good, and then just to feel like Sarah
didn't want me there, my team didn't want me there.
It just it didn't feel good, and it just made
me feel like why am I here? Why am I
doing that? I'm just going to go like it was
just like that. So it wasn't like I wanted to
give up. It was just here I am again, I'm
on a team, and if they don't want me here
with them, like why am I here? It's just not

(01:12:29):
a good feeling. And I'm just a little sensitive that
way where some people would say screw you, you know,
but I just I didn't. I took it to heart.
All good with Sarah now, no hard feelings at all.
Sarah's great, so no heart feelings. It was just in
that moment it was like, yeah, I don't know, I
just I think I just felt hurt and I felt
sad and I was just like I'm just gonna leave.
And you know, I don't remember exactly how it all happened,

(01:12:50):
but that that was what was going through my mind
that I remember. So, yeah, why I didn't do another challenge?
I think I was like, why am I going to
keep going back and do it putting myself through this?
Why I think I kept when they were calling saying no,
you know, so.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
Yeah that sucks.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
I mean, I know, yeah, it's it's the it's the
look look I I mean we kind of say this
all the time. I mean, it's the the challenges is
a mental, emotional, physical, you know, mind fuck for however
long you're there, and and and and it's and it's
like killer be killed, and it's like a big chess

(01:13:27):
game where you're playing with you know, real people and
and and real emotions. It's you can't take away the moves,
you know, like you have to like tell someone, hey,
I'm voting you in or uh, maybe you don't belong here. Whatever,
it's it's it's all encompassed. So like, you know, but
I'm glad you appreciate Buni Murray and and what they've

(01:13:47):
given you. Can you talk about like this appreciation and
like the the children's.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
Book that that that you have out because I thought, like.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
You and and your daughter at Barnes and Noble with
your book there, did I am?

Speaker 5 (01:13:58):
I envision?

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Am?

Speaker 5 (01:13:59):
I is an illusion that I see that?

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Yes, yes, yes, so yeah no I Every time they
do call, I tell you know, be and P I
am so grateful. I will tell everyone I love doing
real world. I love doing all the challenges. Despite how
my endings may have been the best time of my life,

(01:14:27):
the best time of my life, all of it. So
I wouldn't take it back for a heartbeat, even though like, yeah,
I wish I could have had maybe better endings, but
still the best time in my life. Yeah, I would
never take it back. And then meeting so many great
people and just so much fun, all the traveling we
got to do, all the events with other like challengers
and stuff and the MTV Awards and all of it,
love it all. Would never take it back. So yeah,

(01:14:49):
when I took a break for a while, I you know,
was kind of doing my career and doing stuff. And
then I started, you know, figuring out like, well where
do I want to live San Diego? But it's like
this party life, right, and I just felt like I
want something different, and I traveled to Hawaii and I
fell in love and then I was like, you know what,
I'm gonna move here. And so I've lived in Hawaii

(01:15:12):
for gosh a little over ten years now. I moved
back for a little little bit when I had my daughter,
just so I could be close to my mom, and
then came right back. But I basically was like, you know,
i'd stay right when coming out of COVID and I
was here in Hawaii, I was like, you know, what
can I do that can positively impact you know, women?

(01:15:35):
And I just really started like kind of just being
about like how could I do that? But coming out
of COVID, everybody needs relationships. And then I started creating
like this kind of like a smaller group, which now
it is insane, you know why I always say I'm
too busy. As now I've created the Hugest Hawaii social
club for women. It has thousands of members. I'm the owner,

(01:15:56):
I'm the founder. I basically do a ton of operations
and events and nonprofit things and it's just grown to
be this huge, amazing thing and I'm supporting women and
bringing women together and it's just been something that's like
went from small and just like catapulted. So on a

(01:16:17):
day to day I am, Yeah, I'm just extremely business.
I have so many partnerships and so many things that
I'm doing, and yeah, so that's kind of what's going on.
The reason why the children's book is because I used
to be a writer. When I was a journalism major
at sax State, I wrote for the newspaper and so
I started writing for magazine. So I've always liked to
do that, and I've always wanted to write like a
children's book, but I was never a child's book author.

(01:16:40):
And when the fires happened in Lahaina's you know the
because I pop around from a walk who to Maui
and to Big Island, and so at the time of
the fires in Lahina, I was on Maui, which I
was probably like, I don't know, I mean, I could
see the smoke, the flames, everything. I wasn't there in Lahina,
but I was very close to it. Super traumatic, horrific

(01:17:04):
for everybody on the island, and out of like the
experience of it, you like can't even fathom it. And
that's when my heart went out to everybody in the
la area too. That went through that one because it's
just it's it's devastating. It It literally destroyed our whole
community on that side. But so from that, coming out

(01:17:25):
of that, I was really feeling this pool from Jesus
to do something. I don't know, it was weird. I
was just feeling this pool like he was telling me, like,
write a book for children, because my daughter rightes she
wasn't understanding, Like she knew we had to stay inside
and the smoke and all the stuff, but like she
was like, what what is the fire? Like didn't understand it.
And so it was like this whole feeling of like

(01:17:47):
I need to write this children's book to kind of
uplift Lahina and for kids and be like a kind
of like a keepsake. So there's an artist Herera Maui,
and she did all the illustrations, and then I wrote
the story and it's basically it's not talking about the fire,
but in every illustration is all these important places in

(01:18:07):
Lahina that are no longer there because the fire destroyed them.
So it's like keeping Lahina alive and the beauty of it.
And my story is like this uplifting, beautiful story of
friendship and connection so it's really sweet. But what we
did with that is we gave back to Lahina Art Skiel,
which is a nonprofit that supports all the children on

(01:18:28):
the Lahina side by all these like music and art
classes and I'm all free for the parents. Like they're
beautiful nonprofits. So the book was to give back. And
I also want to say, like the support from my
Challenge family was amazing. Like Jenna, like she shared the book.
Corey showed the book. He was like with his daughter

(01:18:50):
showing because I was like, hen, this book, can I
send it to you? They're like yeah. So I just
felt like Tory g did it too. So I just
felt like the love from you know, just the Challengers.
I just feel like it's just amazing, like we're all family,
even though I'd been off TV for how long, you know,
just the love of being like they want to share
it too, and it's a great story and so and

(01:19:10):
I appreciate you guys bringing it up. And really there's
no money in it. It's not a money thing for me.
It was just to donate and give back. And yeah,
so that's kind of why I did that. I don't
know if I would write another book. I loved doing it,
but it was more just to do something to give
back to the families that were directly affected by the wildfires.
I also did an event for two hundred and fifty

(01:19:32):
children and their families that lost their homes in the wildfire,
like literally ones that lost everything everything their cars or homes,
probably their animals, everything, and had a huge event for
them where it was just a time around Christmas to
come and we had like free bikes and all these
things and like all this food and Chick fil A
like donating all this food, and then Jack Johnson showed

(01:19:54):
up and saying a private concert for everybody because it
lives on a wahoo to this schoolver So it was
just like so I'm just really busy. What I do
on a day to day is like community stuff and
giving back and just growing this huge woman like yeah,
like social club and I'm just like giving back to
the community. All I want to do. I just want

(01:20:15):
to leave this world knowing that I did good things
for other people and I uplifted them, that I helped them,
and then I gave back. And that's what I want
to be remembered for, not for my implants, but for
all the good stuff, you know, And yeah, if I
can ever work it in where you know, because I'm

(01:20:35):
the owner and I have a lot of things I
juggle on a day to day. But if I can,
you know, bring some other people on that can help,
where I can maybe come do another challenge or all Stars,
then it will be something I will definitely think about
because I would love to, you know, so.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Well, where for now, where can people find if they
they still want to pick up the book, or they
want to just see whatever you're doing, or they want
to get more information on the social club or anything,
or if there's any way people can contribute. I don't know,
if you guys are continuously raising money things like that,
where should we send folks?

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
Yes, always raising money for sure. Well, for the book,
it's you can get on Amazon the paperback, or you
can go on Barnes and Noble for the hardback. It's
super affordable because we just want to make it so
we can just donate the money and give back. So
I think it's thirteen ninety nine for the paperback. It's
so affordable, and the hardback's twenty four nine to nine.
And then there's some local stores but online for people
that are watching that are not in the Hawaii Islands.

(01:21:28):
The best is Amazon and Barnes and Noble, and then yeah,
if people when I like follow my journey. I'm trying
to get up on posting more on the MTV page.
It's just you know, when you're running so many pages
and doing things, it's hard to like keep up. But
I do want to share what I'm doing going on,
but that's just at MTV chefon.

Speaker 5 (01:21:46):
And the book is called Magical Hawaiian Rainbow.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Yes, Adventure through Lahaina yep oh yeow yeah. And I've
had so many people write a message of like California
and other states are like, you know, we love visiting
now in Leahina and you know we got the book
and I'm just like like telling me all these good things.
And so it's not just for people that like live here,
it's for everyone. But it's just it's a beautiful book
for kids of all ages. That illustrations are super colorful,

(01:22:12):
and it's just giving back to a great nonprofit that's
really helping a lot of kids.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
So come, yeah, completely off topic, we got to run.
That was an awesome, awesome story, awesome ending, such a
nice way to give back.

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
To what is now gone forever. I'm probably gonna have
to pick up the book.

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
Uh you were in that limo after the MTV Awards
with Rob Dirdeck.

Speaker 5 (01:22:38):
Correct, Yes, I was okay, all.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Right with me.

Speaker 5 (01:22:44):
I had a vision. You guys came back and picked
me up because I was.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
Yes, yes, I was in there.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
Good times, good times, awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
That is the part of why I living in sho
you know, even though I didn't have like the best
with all this stuff on the show, it's all that
fun stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
After you know, Yeah, I had a vision.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
I had a memory and a vision and uh, very cool,
very cool, very cool moment.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Thank you. Is that all you're gonna say about it?
You're not gonna give us.

Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
Listen, I listen, we got to run. Listen. The Rob
dirt X story needs to come to fruition at some point.
Maybe it's maybe it's another time.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
It's not going to be today, but uh, fucking amazing, amazing,
amazing night that night.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Yeah, amazing having you here today. Thank you, Shavan. We
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Thanks guys.

Speaker 5 (01:23:38):
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