Ep. 483: Dee Valladares

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
What's up, Everybody? This is Scott Jeger here with another
edition of Challenge Mania. This episode brought to you by
Challenge Mania Live Phoenix, coming to you from Stand Up
Live on Sunday, September the seventh.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Boy, do we have a great lineup for that one.
Tory Dial, Jodi.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Weatherton, Theo, Olivia, Anissa Mark, Derek Chavez, one of the
rookies on this season.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Ben will be there.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
It's a jam packed house at Stand Up Live. Get
your tickets at Challengemania Dot Live today. But you didn't
come for me, you came for Deed. We have a
double dose of d because not only do we have
Derek Kazinski, but we have a new threat in the house.
She's a survivor winner. Give it up for de Via
Darns everybody.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
What's up?

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Intro Well, and that's not all she won.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
She also Borderline gets the name of this episode by
by proxy some somehow, I believe it's called Episode two
is called uh oh, do you remember what it's called.

Speaker 6 (01:08):
It's called we used to remember, Yeah, you know, remember messy, messy.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I take it out of my head.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, this is something, Yeah, this is you. You you
have sort of become known for this, uh through many series.
Now I feel like this is kind of your calling.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
I gotta stop.

Speaker 6 (01:28):
They gotta stop casting me when I'm single. That's what
they gotta stop doing.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
So she she pulls it, and this isn't our first
talking point, but just we're on top of it. Yeah,
she pulls in the seven time champ right and makes
another dude cry on this episode.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
And listen, we'll we'll get to that. We'll get to that.
I have a lot of notes.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Yeah, and we will get to that.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
But on top of that, like like her character basically
like punches through the fifth wall. I didn't even know
there's a fifth wall in in the in the reality
TV universe, but you're pretty much like like not single handedly.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Well, Will kind of single handly.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
Punches through the wall in reverse and takes us into
a hotel that we're never even allowed to talk about
on any post show podcasts or anything.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
It's on the episode.

Speaker 6 (02:23):
I'll give you the tea, I'll give you the t
from pre hotel and all of that.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
Yeah, Okay, let's let let's go back way way back.
Let's let's do it like doctor Strange does. How does
doctor Strange do?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
It.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
What's the fucking thing? He uses, Scott, I don't know
the fifth wall.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
So all right, here's where time.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Let's time travel.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Way way back when, way back when the UH they
used to bring people onto shows called Real World and
Road Rules, and those used to be very atypical casting
stories and whatnot because they were kind of through the
MTV e thro of it all, and then they would
just get put off into the challenge pasture. Well, when
those shows went by bye, they started taking people from
your show, Survivor, Big Brother, Amazing Race, Are you the one?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
You name it? So now we get these broader casting stories.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
We get to find out how you wound up I
believe it from Miami, right, wound up from Miami going
all the way to Fiji and taking home your debut
season of Survivor, season forty five. So walk us through that.
Were you a Survivor super fan? Were you a recruit?
As the kids say, how'd you wind up in Fiji?

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah? So in Fiji.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
That's an interesting story because it started in twenty twenty.
I was more of a newer fan, and I thought
I was a super fan back in twenty twenty. My
best friend was just like, do you should watch the show?
I think you'd like it, and I binged it and
I said, wait, I think I could actually win this show,
and I started watching it again. I thought I was
a super fan up until I got to the island
and everyone knew every single season, every single boot list,

(03:51):
and I ended up thinking, well, I need to get
on the show and I have the summer opened, but
how can I get above the noise? So I posted
my audition video on Instagram and I tagged the casting
director and I had all my friends tagging the casting
director and he was in Hawaii with some of his
guy friends. So I posted it on a specific time

(04:11):
because Hawaiian and Miami or six hour difference, so I
posted it on a time when I knew that he
would be scrolling in bed looking at it.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
So fast forward. The very next.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
Day, I get a call from a casting person and
she goes, gee, you got to take the video down.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
You're driving my boss crazy. And I'm like, all right,
but did it work? And she goes, it did, We're
going to move forward with the casting process. So that's
how I wound up in Fiji and ended up winning
the show thankfully.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
Yeah, sorry, I was gonna say, and I posted it
December twenty fourth. I mean they were almost done with casting.
I don't know how I ended up. I got really lucky, honestly,
I really did. And I just knew, Dude, if I
get them on the phone, then then I got a shot, right,
I got a shot a bean. But I just I
need to get them one on one, like that's how

(04:58):
they know that I'll be on the show.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, so Derek is a Survivor novice. He's given a
season a try or to. He normally watches maybe a
few episodes, taps out.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
But my wife and now, to be fair, to be fair,
and we're in a buff right now in honor of Survivor,
here you go.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
He knows he knows the wardrobe at.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Least yet.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
He's been to.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
But my wife and I we watch every single episode.
We do a Survivor spinoff podcast called Survivor Mania. I
even listened to your follow up podcast with Jeff Probes
that you got to them after that. So I'm very
up on your Survivor season. Many people d Derek, I
should say, called d the best modern Survivor winner. She

(05:46):
was so dominant in her performance her whole alliance had
a dominant season, but then at the end she was
able to thrive and uh flourish and rise above.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
All of them.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
But I have to draw parallel to your so far,
your your run on the Challenge because whither it was
legitimate romance or implied romance, that was a through line
there as well. You had a guy named Austin who
you guys were sort of whether or not you guys
knew it, America was kind of shipping you as you
guys are sure, you know, getting closer on the island,
and then I believe people who kind of follow from Afar,

(06:18):
we kind of found out that that relationship didn't necessarily
progress After the season of Survivor.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
You have a very.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Famous quote in this trailer so Far and season of
the Challenge where you talk about using men, letting them
kiss you, but never giving away your power. Is this
an edict that you began in Fiji back then with Austin?

Speaker 3 (06:39):
No, not really. Look with Austin and I it was real.

Speaker 6 (06:43):
I think there's always going to be two sides, right,
There's always going to be the side of the people
that are going to say she played him, and the
other side and at the end of the day, nobody
knows your feelings when you're out there and you're spending
five weeks with someone and there's nothing else other than
you two and someone that you trust and you feel
safe space with. But then you get to the real
world and you just think, oh, well, we might be
better off as friends, right, But that I don't think

(07:05):
that kind of wasn't really my intention coming into the challenge. However,
I did think to myself, well, I'm single, I'm in
my twenties, this is my rookie season, I'm going to
have fun.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
And it's MTV.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
So I kind of went in thinking, well, this is
a different demographic. I think I could be a little
bit more myself on challenge. So that's kind of like
my mindset behind that.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Well, because that sort of look, you were great, you
were great on the challenges, you want a few immunities,
and you played a great social game. There's other elements
to reality television's success as well. But when you sprink,
when you sprinkle the relationship stuff on top. That's why
I think not just me, but a lot of people
who watched you on that season of Survivor, we thought, oh,
she's got challenge written all over her. Everybody was was

(07:51):
that something that you talk about? I mean, obviously you
mentioned you've been Survivor during the pandemic. Were you a
fan of the challenge at all? Had you seen it?
When did you start thinking about it?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
You're such a great interviewer.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
By the way, I'll be honest with you, I was
not a Challenge fan. I had never actually even watched
the challenge. So what happened was I got called in
December and we were flying out February tenth. So I
got called and I thought to myself, oh shit, I
only have two months to train.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
I mean, I've never even watched the Challenge. I told
the casting person.

Speaker 6 (08:21):
I'm like, I've never watched the show, So I guess
I'll start visiting right now.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Right.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
So I just picked random seasons to binge. But on
top of that, there's two added layers. When I got
the call in January, I got the call for fifty.
So I got called for Survivor fifty pretty late into
the process. So my perspective was, oh my god, one
I can't get hurt on the challenge.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
So that was my main priority.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
And so then when Challenge called me The first thing
I did was I called Survivor up and.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
I was like, hey, challenge wants me on.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
I kind of want to do it, but I don't
want to pry about fifty You guys, give me the okay,
the green light or the red light, and I'll do
whatever you say, because at the end of the day,
Survivor is my baby.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
It's like that, that's where I'm from.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
I'm a Survivor girl through and through and so basically,
and I want to show respect to them. And they
jump started my career right and I love Jeff with
my entire heart. But then on top of that, they
agreed for me to go on. So I binged maybe
two or three seasons, so nothing crazy, but to the
point where when I was binging, I was mostly just.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Kind of, to be completely honest, paying attention to.

Speaker 6 (09:24):
The outfits and the challenges because I'm like, fuck, now
I need to buy three months worth of clothing, and
now I also have to watch the challenges because I
need to know what to train for and I only
have two month. So I didn't really pay attention to
the social game because I knew I kind of maybe
have that on lock. And when I got on the show.
I'm just a vibe person and an energy person. If

(09:46):
I vibe with you, I do, and if I don't,
I don't. And at the end of the day, once
I'm out of the show, that's a different world, right,
But another additional layer. One week before leaving for challenge,
my mom had to be rushed to the hospital and
they fe I found a tumor in her colon. This
was just six days part of the challenge, so I
honestly didn't even know if I was going to go

(10:07):
on the challenge. So February tenth, the day that we
were supposed to fly out, I had all my stuff hacked,
but I was still.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Unsure about my mom and I almost didn't go until
the surgeon called.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
The day that we left on to the show, saying, hey,
the cancer didn't spread.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
You're good.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
So I didn't even keep on binging the show because
I wasn't even that wasn't my mentality. My mentality was
just like, I got to make sure my mom is
good and I might not even go on the show.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
So that it was just all crazy happening, so many
things happening on once.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Wow, Well, Derek just was on the Landmark season forty
of the Challenge, which was a big deal for people
like him to get called back for that. There was
only I mean, they did blow it out a little bit.
It was forty spots. But again, like you said, trying
to play the game, I don't want to go and
do another show that's going to get in the way
of me being to be on the biggest season ever.
And here you are, though, getting, like you said, the

(11:04):
green light, for getting to walk through that forbidden door
that other cast members have claimed, you know, either was
what stopped them. A lot of people theorize like Carolyn
not on Survivor fifty because she did Traders. A lot
of people like Jesse mad that they didn't go and
do a Traders because they didn't get the call for
fifty anyway, So do you feel like I just right
and I know d I want to get you in here,

(11:25):
but since on the top of my mind, like, do
you feel extra blessed and or just maybe extra appreciated
that they were willing to let you and I do
know it's all under the same umbrella company, but still
that they were willing to let you appear on a
show that was gonna air. I mean they know forty
one zering right now. It's not like your big return
to TV is going to be on Survivor. Fifty people

(11:45):
would have watched you on this, presumably right before. Yet
they did say, Okay, do you think that has to
do with you're in Jeff's relationship, you doing the podcast,
or again, as I said, you being maybe the best
winner of the New Era.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
What do you think you attribute that to.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
That's a great question.

Speaker 6 (12:01):
I think for me, I don't speak to Carolyn or Jesse,
and I know that a lot of people got cut.
I mean I found out after I came back, because
obviously I was gone, so I didn't know what was
even happening in the world.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
But I think it was for my in my situation.

Speaker 6 (12:17):
As soon as I got the call for the challenge,
the first thing I did was, Hey, I'm not going
to give you a yes or no.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
I'm going to talk to Survivor first.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
So I kind of even though my contract had already ended,
I kind of I didn't go on the show and
then come back and my cast photos out and they
didn't know anything, right, I kind of put that respect
on there and I let them know, like, hey, you guys,
are my priority. You let me know, right and and
I know you know Survivor and Challenge they're two very

(12:46):
different demographics. Survivor's more family friendly, Challenge is not so much.
So it was a matter of also letting them know, Hey,
if you want to use me as a face for Survivor,
that's cool. Like I would never go on Challenge and
then start MESSI Twitter drama on the Challenge, like, first
of all, it's not me, and also I will not
make you guys look bad.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
So I think it was more so of a respect thing.

Speaker 6 (13:10):
But again, I do think it does help that I
did the pod with Jeff.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
It's not like I asked Jeff. I asked obviously the producers.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
But I think it's just a matter of just laying
it all out there and saying, you guys are my priority.
If you tell me no, I'm not going to do it.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Because the podcast.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
I mean, if you go and look at who hosted
that podcast, everyone but Rachel who hosted that podcast is
on Survivor fifty. And I don't think it's necessarily it's
more of a reverse engineered thing where I think the
same thing that drew them to select you for that
spot is the same thing that drew them to select
you for one of twenty four spots off fifty. I
don't think it's necessarily oh, repay them for doing the podcast,

(13:48):
but I think it's who stands out to you among
those cast members to do the show, Charlie Devins yourself.
That's why you got the call as well. So it
is interesting that the podcast podcast does seem like a precursor.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
So fun, it was so fun.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
I'm curious, does cause like I feel like you're the
first person that went from the Challenge to Survivor, or
from the Challenge back to Survivor, and there've been probably
like what like ten twelve China fifteen former Survivors. I

(14:23):
don't know, maybe that maybe that's high, maybe like eight
Challenge Yeah, and obviously and obviously like there's never been
like an original Challenge cast member that's gone over to
Big Brother or Survivor. Do you think that like we are,
like would give Survivor like a bad rap like us

(14:45):
coming over from the Challenge, The Survivor fan base would
be like, what the fuck is this bad kid doing
here on our island.

Speaker 6 (14:56):
Well, here's the thing, Because I think there's never been
any challengers on Survivor, and I kind of always said,
I feel like survivors can do the Challenge, but Challenge
people cannot do Survivor, and that's because Challenge people are
so damn spoiled that when I was there, I kept,
you know, seeing the interactions between some of the best
and producers and production and I'm like, oh my god,

(15:19):
they would not last the day on Survivor just because
of the survival elements of not showering, not eating, which
is like the worst thing ever. But to answer your question,
I don't think that it give a bad rep necessarily
because Challenge people are casted for their personalities, Like everyone
has a huge personality. They're funny, they talk crap, and
they laugh things off, right. I think it's more so

(15:40):
of I think with more recent years, Jeff has been
wanting to make Survivor of family friendly show. So if
you bring people from the Challenge that are more reality
TV and all they're going to do is want to
start causing drama and fights, I don't think that that's
what they want on their show necessarily, which happens, don't
get me wrong, but.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
I don't ness necessarily think like like some of us
go out there and want the drama to happen.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
I think that our personality.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
Just happens naturally allow it to happen, you know, And
and I I.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Do.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
I do think that Like when I watch Big Brother
and Survivor, it does feel like a like a like
a like a like a like you're playing like a game,
like a game board, like a game with family inside,
like the home, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Whereas like, uh, what's a board game?

Speaker 5 (16:35):
That sort of feels like it feels like it feels
like you're watching and playing a board game with with
these people on the show, Whereas like the Challenge feels
like you're going outside and like playing football Sastrey and
it's like it's like outside and like, yes, the Big
Brother and Strivers like inside, even though Survivors like obviously

(16:56):
on the outside. Maybe I'm thinking more of like Big
Brothers the Private last season I watched it, and I
will be watching Survivor fifty because.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Do you want to come on?

Speaker 6 (17:07):
It's gonna be such a great season. And yeah, I
think Survivor's more psychologically. It's you're just fucked up day
in and day out, because there's so many more mind
games and there's so many more lies, and I think
challenges a little bit more. When it comes to gameplay,
it's more straight up right, just give your word, stay loyal.

(17:27):
If you do give your word and just give it,
you're all on the challenges, you know, go head to
head on whatever you need to do.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
But yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
It's int so do You're right that. I really do
think that d and this has something to do. And
I think just the timing of it all because not
a lot there has not been a returning player to
Survivor from season forty one all the way to season fifty,
so that does that is the real reason for a
lot of this. But you are correct that no one
who has gone from Survivor under the challenge has gone

(17:56):
back to Survivor after Obviously, we've had people like Michelle
who have played Survival a couple of times and have
done the challenge, but I've never but I've never gone
back after the fact. We had a lot of people
from Survivor who did the challenge USA, whether it's Mikayla
or Shan or Danny McCrae and and d sorry Desi,
and ironically none of them end up getting the call

(18:17):
for fifty, and you wonder if it's that, Oh, they've
already done that other all star show.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
So it's interesting that.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
You again, you are the one person who was selected
to be able to bounce back and forth and look,
kudos to you. Let me ask you this. So you
played a first season of Survivor, and Derek. The reason
they don't have you guys on Survivor is I think
they love grabbing eighteen regular people who don't have a
reality TV doiner regular.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
That's true, they're newbies and it's cool.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
It's cool, which but I do hope that this fifty,
after fifty they do do more returning seasons. So maybe
if the you know, the people that have been on
the challenge haven't been necessarily called back, I don't think
it means that they never will, right.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
And that's the thing is that what's cool about Survivor
is at first it was all regular people. But then
around season ten or whatever it is, maybe five, they
start doing all star seasons every now and then then
around the twenties they got so addicted to bringing people
back it felt like every other season was an all
star season or had four people coming back, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Then in the New Era.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
They threw it away, they didn't bring back anybody, And
here you are, coming from Survivor, you obviously have the
winner label onto the Challenge landscape where literally every season,
dating back to season.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
One, there's been some sort of through line.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Derek's been on the show fifteen times, CT and Johnny
and Anissa been on the show twenty times, and now
you're walking into their world where you're familiar to some
of the viewers, but sixteen of these cast members are like,
you know, they're diehard fans of them, and you're on
the side with a bunch of relatively random cast members
from all over the world. What was that like for
you to go from the ultimate of highs to now

(19:49):
you are a new threat but a lot of people
call you a rookie.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, I look, I'll be honest.

Speaker 6 (19:54):
Going in, I didn't go in with the mindset of
like I'm a Survivor winner income all that.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
No.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
I actually went in thinking, uh, crap, this is actually
very intimidating. Like I'm going up the mountain episode zero
cars in front of me, she's jacked and I'm like,
oh my god, she's scary, and like these women are
beautiful and like it seems like everyone's down for the drama,
and I'm like, don't get me wrong, this is what.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
I signed up for. But I'm a little bit scared,
you know what I mean, And.

Speaker 6 (20:24):
It's I did have I spoke to Jeremy before going in, right,
he was the only person I spoke to Johnny here
and there, but it wasn't a huge conversation. But Jeremy
and I hopped on the phone here and there and
we kind of told each other like, hey, I'll have
your back, and we spoke about the.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Game and he was on Amazing Race and I was
on Survivor.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
We gave each other a little bit background on full
He actually gave me season forty info that I was
unaware of because I never watched season forty, which I
should have because obviously it's the most recent season. But
I think going in and having Jarimi there and knowing

(21:04):
someone got my back and vice versa, that made me
feel a little bit better. But I wasn't necessarily nervous
about making friends. I knew with my personality, I knew
i'd go in and I.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Be aligned with people.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
Mhm, yeah, so normally I would we would be like
all right, let's start at the mountain.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
What'd that feel.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Let's let's go into the interrogation or you know what,
the interrogation, the mountain or getting but really getting to
the hotel is what we got.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
This is how much time do we have?

Speaker 4 (21:40):
How much time?

Speaker 5 (21:43):
This is This is how it typically goes. It goes
all right, so, uh, you know, we we get to
get the interrogation, right, you meet TJ.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
We're in the background.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
Then we go to the mountain where basically we get
all get punched in the face by a mountain.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
I think it's so crazy.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
I think at some point what they what they end
up cutting out is is TJ asked like specifically D
and specifically Cedric, Hey, what do you think about the these.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Vents and and and D was.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
Like such something like, oh they got they all got wrinkles,
and it's time for now with the old, in with
the new.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
And I'm like, holy.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
Shit, that's my My first impression of D was like,
what's her saying that?

Speaker 4 (22:31):
And in the interrogation saying I'm manipulating my.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
Way through Survivor to win the game, just straight up honest,
like you know.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
What, though, to be fair, first of all, that was
more for like the bit the manipulation thing.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
But when we were there for the first impressions and
we were all there, I did say the men got
a ship ton of wrinkles.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
They need to retire. And I specifically said the men
because I wanted to be good with the women.

Speaker 6 (22:55):
But yeah, I mean, I'm kind of glad they cut
that off because but I again I went in there
thinking I'm gonna have fun.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I don't care what people think about me.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
I already got a target on my back for being
from based on the rookies that have seen I feel
I think I'm the only winner in rookies, So they're
already gonna think something of me, so might as well
give them a show. And that was my perspective going in.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
Had I had I not been waiting for for my
knee brace and had this surgery seven months.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Prior, I was gonna I was gonna ask.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
Fucking Cedric for a wrestling match right there on this
this thirty all slanted up Rocky Mountain, except I was like, dude,
you you can't do that. In my head, that's what
was going on, Yeah, because like I was like, holy fuck,
these people are are literally here to fucking take our
spots like like like they all like looked good, looked

(23:47):
in shape. She's fucking one survivor. I was like, fuck
this nerdy kid and what he's saying. I'm talking about
Cedric Yah to find out later.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
That he's like marine, he's a badass.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
Yes, athlete twenty two years old, gotten fucking beat up
right there.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, absolutely he would have. You definitely would have. And
and that was my perspective on the rookies.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
I'm like, I've been humble, Okay, okay, he would.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Have kicked your freaking knee and he would have been crying.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
He wouldn't have known anything about that.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
Okay, Well, well what would have ended up happening was
he would have smoked me up the mountain like he did,
and then I would have been everybody back, and then
he would have been laughing at me at the finish line,
and I would have been like, yeah, all right whatever.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
But I ended up calling uh D Botox. Yeah, yeah,
week we did. We were.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
We were laughing about it too. They didn't show a
lot of our interactions.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah I was. I was.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
I was a little like, you know, they got me
like butter, the butter you know you and Cedric had
me bothered at the beginning of the Mountain.

Speaker 6 (24:59):
Why it's funny because I mean we would like talk
and I'd be like, dude, we can just do both
talks together.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
What's the problem, Like, why why does it bother you
so much?

Speaker 5 (25:09):
No, it was it was just the fact that you
were just like coming in and like fuck it.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Just like just just just ready to plus the funk off.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
And so they asked, so they TJ asked similarly asked
A Nissa and and Cet like, hey, you know, how
have you enjoyed your time, you know, on the challenge?

Speaker 4 (25:29):
What does the challenge mean to you?

Speaker 5 (25:31):
And you know, they were both like, man, this has
been a you know, really humbling experience. I'm not going
to take these you know times for granted anymore, you know,
like you know, they made it feel.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
Like it was like d n you know what I mean, right,
And then they came in he.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
Asked them second and They're like, yeah, you motherfucker should
just quit now.

Speaker 6 (25:51):
And I was just like, well, because I think everyone,
all of the rookies in that moment, thought that it
would be a season where it was that's versus rookies.
So none of us cared what like Be's thought about us,
And I think I can speak in general with everyone,
I mean, based on now knowing them, right, I think
we all thought it would be that's versus rookies before

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we ended up getting partnered and now switching.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
All right, so de alluded to it.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Normally we wouldn't need to do this, but we need
to have a cup of coffee over at the west
In or the Sheridan or wherever you guys were that
hotel walking through. I mean, we just see this episode
as named we used to hook up. Clearly, you guys
had a fling that, in Will's regard, was worth breaking
his hand over. But in your regard looks like something

(26:38):
that you kind of ohe you.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Huh, yeah, yeah, a little bit. Here's the thing, in
that moment, I might not feel bad, not in that moment.

Speaker 6 (26:48):
So here's let me take you back to the airport
pre hotel. So we're all flying out of Miami and
Will's already there casting person and the rest of a
few other rookies. But we get to it's very different
from Survivor. Survivor you just don't speak to anyone for
about a week and something and you're actually going crazy
because you're not you're not able to speak to.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Each other challenge.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
What I quickly noticed was we're all in the hotel,
we get to talk to each other.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
We're taking shots at the bar. We're all like, yo,
this is our rookie our rookie season, lastic shots.

Speaker 6 (27:18):
I mean, we're about to board and we're taking shots,
like we might miss our plane right right. But I
think automatically when Will and I saw each other, there
was kind of like a lot of banter between us,
and it was very funny. It was like we're very
flirtatious and there was a lot of banure between us.
So we hop on the plane and we're we're getting shots,
we're getting drinks in the back, and we're standing up

(27:39):
just learning in the plane and we're excited that we're
going to be like going on the challenge, and we're
talking through the little The plane had like texts, so
we all the rookies had different group chats on the plane.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
We're all talking to each other on big group chats
on the plane.

Speaker 6 (27:56):
And then when we land, Will and I we we
they're first of all, there's a security for us in
the hotel which I didn't know that you could actually
leave your room. Apparently the vets knew this because they
were all hanging out, but we all thought that we
were going to be sequestered in our room because they
have a security in the hall for all of us.
But anyways, Will and I ended up being next door

(28:17):
to each other, and so we snuck out of each
other's rooms and we got caught by the security.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
But he didn't do anything.

Speaker 6 (28:23):
So we were just like talk on the phone and
call each other, and it's like, define hookup, because hookup
for me is like you're going all out, right, we
didn't even go all out.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
And I think one thing that kind of maybe bothered
me a little bit.

Speaker 6 (28:39):
In the episode was when he was kind of saying,
d he needs to stop with the bs of going
back and forth. There was never going back. I never
went back, never flirted with him as soon as we
got into the house. And it's because and by the way,
everything that I'm saying now I spoke too well about,
so he knows that he.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Knows that this is how I feel.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
Because they didn't show the conversation that I had with
him the next day after drinking, where I sat him down,
and I was like, let's talk, Let's talk this through
what's actually happening.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
But what they didn't.

Speaker 6 (29:09):
Show is that night one, the first three days, they
kind of give us time for all of us to
drink and get to know the Vets and the rookies
and Will. Night one got really really drunk and sloppy,
and that kind of gave me the ick. I did
not like that he did that, and he actually two
times like slapped my butt as I was walking, and
I told myself, dude, you cannot do this, like you

(29:31):
don't own me.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
This is not it.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
We just started playing a game with thirty something people
in the house. You know, say whatever you need to say,
but you just I just got the ick. And after
that it was just I just kind of like shut off.
And then Johnny and I started flirting maybe a few
days after that, and when we became partners. And it's
funny because on one of the bus rides to the bar,
I actually sat next to Jeremie and he's my buddy.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
So I'm like, jearim me as a man, what should
I do? Because Johnny and.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
I are flirting, and now I feel bad for Will
and Jeremy actually told Mede, you should tell Will.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
And in my head, I'm like, but he doesn't own me.
We're nothing.

Speaker 6 (30:08):
I which like, in retrospect, I wish I would have
told him, just out of respect, and even though we're
not necessarily anything, I think the right thing to do
was to be like, hey, Will, I'm flirting with Johnny.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Right.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
So yeah, there's a scene on the bus after the.

Speaker 6 (30:22):
Bar where Will is like, you know, he like, which
they also didn't show Will and gave got into an
argument and then he turns it to me and he
looks at me and he goes, deep, are you with Johnny?
And I look at it and I'm like, I mean,
I'm not with Johnny, but we're flirting, yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
And I'm telling him the truth.

Speaker 7 (30:40):
And then that's when it just went downhill.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
I just I just I have a I have a
sick and twisted appreciated at both yours and Johnny's humor
because it's just it's so it's like it's like watching like, uh,
what the fuck moment like happening right in front of
your face, and it's happening on the bus right next

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to this, right in front of your face, and he's
just like punching the punch in the chair in front
of him, and you're just like cracking up.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:23):
So I think the way that I just approached life
in general, I don't take a lot of things seriously.
I just laughed things off, and I think in that
moment I was laughing because I just couldn't believe that
he was actually disaggravated towards something that we weren't. And
I had a conversation with him the very next day,

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and well, first of all, I didn't even know when
Johnny and I were in the day bed and Will
was looking down at us.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
I didn't even know that he was.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
Looking at us, which makes it even funnier because Johnny
and I were just being stupid, laughing at like a
milky way, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
And I didn't know that that happened.

Speaker 6 (31:59):
And after Will punch the wall, Lex comes over and
looks down at me, goes, see, you gotta come upstairs.
Will just punch the wall, and I said, I'm not
going upstairs right now. This guy's drunk out of his mind.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
I don't want to.

Speaker 6 (32:11):
I already know that he can get aggressive and you
can't communicate with him I'll talk to him in the morning.
That's exactly what I did. And I basically sat him
down and I was like, dude, if I said or
did anything to make you believe that this is more
than what it was, please tell me. I'm here, I'm
down to take accountability, but just tell me. And what
Will told me word for word is I kind of
thought that it was going to last for the game,

(32:32):
like he thought going in it was gonna last. And
I told him, I'm like, Will, I would have been
down had I not seen you slop me drunk and
just a shit show and a mess like that kind
of just turned me off. And naturally, Johnny and I connected,
and that's it. That's exactly what happened. But yeah, I
think it's just yeah, I don't take things. You know,
I want someone to laugh at me. I want to

(32:54):
laugh things through. And you know what, I'll give Will credit. Will,
after all of this happened, he wouldn't jokes to me,
saying like, d you were my first love, and I
was like, well, you're gonna get me in trouble.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Just chill.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
We got so to his credit, you know, he he
was pretty funny about it too. Like I like people
like that.

Speaker 6 (33:13):
I like people that don't take things seriously, especially on
a show like The Challenge.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
You gotta just lap laugh this off.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yeah, well sorry, let me let me keep going with
this with this like.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
This, it feels like a scene out of like Step
Brothers or something like that, or like Talladega Knights or
something like that, right, like like like it's its.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Like it feels like Dawson's Creek. I don't know what
you're talking about.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
So because because you have the scene of like of
Will like basically like a caged animal up there, right,
And then you guys are down by the by the
pool on the day bed, and you guys are like, uh,
are they fighting over us?

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Are they fighting over us? Tell them to stop fighting
over us?

Speaker 5 (34:01):
And like it was completely like not serious, like like
like it wasn't sick and twisted you you didn't know
that Will was actually up there.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
I did it raging out over the balcony seeing you guys.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
I did not know that.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
And you're like joking and being like is that And
he's like is that the big difference?

Speaker 8 (34:21):
Like yeah, it's so stupid, you know, And and it
looks like you guys are kind of like antagonizing the situation,
like looks like you guys are doing it on purpose, you.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
Know, you're just being like just kind of uplipid.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yes, in that moment, we didn't know.

Speaker 6 (34:41):
The only time that we knew was when let's look down,
I mean after he had already punched the wall, because
that's what he was for. Then I didn't even know
that that any of that was happening.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
We were just like, they're being stupid.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
Yeah, So did did john Did Johnny know? Did Johnny
know about the situation? Because like I found out in
the kitchen when he walked in with Lex with a
punched hand, and I was like, I was trying to like,
you know, help the camera guy out and get the.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Story and get the scene, get the scene.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
Yeah, and he like whispers to me like that he
hooked up with you, and that he's now you're he's
with Johnny.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Now she's with Johnny, and we're like right, yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
So I did tell Johnny because Johnny approached me about
it and I told him the truth. I told him everything.
I don't know when Will told Johnny. I think it
could have been at the bar when you see Derek
and Leo fighting, and then I'm here like watching that fight,
all like, oh, what's happening? While Will and Johnny are
behind me and you see Will is whispering in Johnny's ear.

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I think that that's when Will was telling Johnny. I
don't know if he told him before, but after that,
Johnny and I did have a conversation, or maybe before
the bar. I truly it's a little bit clouded, and
I did tell him everything, and I was like, Johnny.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Let's sit the three of us, let's all talk.

Speaker 6 (35:57):
I'm down for the three of us to talk, like
there's nothing for me to hide, There's no reason why
he needs to be acting like this.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
And also I don't want this to be a whole,
like I don't want this to last into the game.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
And now I got like freaking more enemies behind me,
Like it's already bad enough that Johnny and I were
partners at first, what great?

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Were great together, but then all.

Speaker 6 (36:17):
His enemies just become my enemies now, right, So yeah,
we did all talk about it, but then I think
Johnny ended up talking to Will independently.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
And then I spoke to independently.

Speaker 6 (36:27):
I spoke to Johnny and independently, So it kind of
ended up being like, all right, we all spoke, there's
no reason to maybe the three of us get together
and talk, but I was down for it.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, let's talk about you and Johnny. Uh a real
relationship going into this season. I have a million ways
I can asked this question, but we actually got someone
who wrote one in over a challengemaniacs dot com. If
you ever want to submit to podcast, you can do that,
but joining the pod squad. You can also watch this
podcast in full video over there. This is from Paul.
He says, did you and Bananas previously know each other

(37:00):
before the show? Didn't you both attend a House of
Villains or a Survivor rap party or something?

Speaker 6 (37:06):
Yeah, so I met Johnny season forty finale because we
have mutual friends in Josh. And then Rachel lives here
and Aviv was there, so I also met a Viv then,
but we didn't necessarily talk too much because for me,
I'm coming in as an outsider. I mean, there were
so many Challenge people and I'm like the only Survivor

(37:26):
person there. And also I hadn't find the contract yet,
so I didn't necessarily actually know if I was going
on forty one. I was still kind of thinking about it.
So I met him there. I think we bumped into
each other in the bathroom line, and we spoke here
and there, But it wasn't anything like, hey, let's have.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Each other's back.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
It was just like, I don't even think he knew
I was going in that moment. So we spoke, we
dm'd here and there, and that's when we were like, oh,
we should probably work out together, let's hang out. But
I think he was traveling or I was traveling, so
there was never a we actually got together and said, hey,
I'm gonna have your back. But I think it was
just kind of like because Josh was a friend of ours,

(38:04):
it was more of an unspoken agreement like, all right,
we're both really good friends.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
With Josh, we might be good friends going in. So
it wasn't necessarily Josh.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Sometimes we'll try to do some matchmaking, even strategic matchmaking.
Did he do like a yod you gotta beat my
goy bananas he's them?

Speaker 6 (38:21):
No, No, he actually didn't. What he did tell me
when we were working at once, he goes, oh, do
you want to talk to Anissa because she's gonna be
on forty one.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
And I said, Josh, not really. I don't want to
talk to anybody.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
I don't want a pregame because I don't want to
give my word to people when first of all, I
don't know them, and what if we go into the
house and we're on different alliances or maybe I just
don't like you.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
So I wasn't down to do the whole pregaming thing.

Speaker 6 (38:47):
And like I said, my mom's thing that happened like
a week before, I just wasn't mentally or spiritually even
caring to pregame with anybody because my mindset was just
making sure my mom was okay first.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
So obviously we don't know how far this budding romance
between you and Johnny casual or otherwise, how far it
goes throughout the season, but you know where we are now,
I'd love to know, like, you know, as much as
there was feelings wise between you two at the point
we are in the season, how much of that was
you know, developed between you know, his chirpy comments during

(39:20):
the interrogation up until you guys on the day bed,
and how much of it was maybe there was a glimmer.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
There when you met him at the party.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
I don't know how much you knew about him, to
the fact that you had any rapport with him beforehand,
give him a bit of a head start, if you will.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
I don't think that that gave any of us a
head start.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
It was just the way that I saw Johnny from first,
the interrogation. You saw when TJ's character broke, and mind.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
It too, because we I guess I was just thinking
my head like, this is a manchild, and he is,
but I like that it's funny.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
And also when I first got into that house, it's crazy.
I feel like the fans, first of all, they didn't
see how hard that mountain was. They don't see how
anxiety driven it is to be in a house with
thirty people and you're trying to talk to everyone and
get to know everyone, and there's already drama going on.
And I think from my from my perspective, having Johnny,
there was a very all right, this is someone.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
That I could be stupid with.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
I we can laugh things off, we can be kids together,
especially in such a high pressure environment. So that's what
I liked about Johnny, and I'm pretty sure he can
say the same about me. But even then I also
did I did tell him like Hey, I'm here.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
I'm down to play with you.

Speaker 6 (40:28):
If you got enemies, I'm cool with it. But also like,
I'm not here to fight your battles either, So I
told him straight up, hey, I'm not here to fight
your battles. So maybe you'll see that coming into play,
maybe not in the next few episodes.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
But I also I was very well aware that, you know,
being with him, it was going to have, you know,
some enemies on my back.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
But yeah, I don't think meeting prior had anything to
do with it, because we didn't even hang out, you know.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, let's talk impress Lindsey wants to know what were
your first impressions of the other d here?

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Oh man, okay, all right, all right, all right.

Speaker 6 (41:06):
I can say this because I already told him and
now we're cool. I did not like Derek. I did
not like Derek.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
I don't why.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
It's so funny. It's so funny because now I freaking
love you. But here's the thing.

Speaker 6 (41:25):
One thing they didn't show on episode one was how
long that deliberation was. I wanted to get the hell
out of there. In my head, I'm like, what did
I sign up for? These people are actually clinically insane.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Everyone here is insane.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
And I remember, first of all, Johnny was just going
on on a rant, hour long rant, and in my head,
I'm like, you know what, you take it?

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Thank God?

Speaker 6 (41:47):
And TJ asked me what I think, and I'm like,
I don't fucking know what I think. I just want
to get out of here. My ass hurts from sitting
on this wooden stump. Everyone's fighting, and Derek said something
to me. I forgot what you said, Derek, what did
you say that? We just kind of went back and forth.
Do you remember what it was?

Speaker 5 (42:05):
I are we I'm trying to figure out where we
are in.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
I think.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
I think I kind of remember. It was episode one.
You were partnered with Lex and Lex is my roommate
and my one girl, and you guys wanted to vote. Yeah,
yeah that's I said, sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
Yeah, no we Actually I think Lex Leko wanted to
vote a different direction, like I wanted to vote Jake
and Cara in, and I was like, you know, no
fucking way, like, because that's gonna with me, me and Kara,
although Johnny and just like you said.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
I'm you don't want to fight.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Johnny's battles and why like, I'm cool, yeah for sure.
And and Johnny, obviously Johnny and Leroy and in that
whole alliance that that was forming up there, decided to
you know, take their shot at Jake and a car
off by proxy.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
And I wasn't about to play that game.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
And and sure, at that time, we thought that this
was that me and Leca were going to be partners,
uh you ever for the rest of the game. And
the only way to keep I thought, to keep at
least our hands cleaned, to protect ourselves, was to give
Rogan what he wanted. And I thought that that was
how I.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Wanted to play the game.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
And I think you heard me say, I.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yes, that's what it was.

Speaker 6 (43:29):
There we go because you were like, oh, I want
to do this, I want to vote for this person.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
And I'm like, so I started calling you I. That
was your nickname, and then I thought you were like
stubborn and selfish. So that's why I didn't like Derek.

Speaker 6 (43:43):
It wasn't necessarily any personal because then Derek and I
started talking a lot about family life, and you you know,
you told me a lot about your kids, and and
I'm like, wait, okay, this guy's actually really cool and
genuine and he stays away from the drama.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
So but yeah, initially I didn't like Derek.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
Yeah, and then also, no one talked about No one's
talked about this, which I'm glad I haven't gotten any
ship for it. Oh and I don't know if you
heard it. You probably didn't. But initially, like after I
heard your interrogation and Sydney's interrogation, I instantly thought, man,
these girls are fucking.

Speaker 9 (44:19):
Villains, Like, yeah and so and so, I said, what
type of villain universe alternate villain universe did these two
women come from?

Speaker 4 (44:33):
She loves it, and again I love that. Love Yeah,
I love that.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
I know. When I heard that, I'm like, damn, that's
hilarious because.

Speaker 6 (44:41):
You know when when you go in, at least for me,
I didn't go in with any thinking, oh, what are
these that's gonna think of me? I was just like,
I'm gonna just be myself and get people a show,
and that's what I'm here to do.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Like that's why I was castan, you know. But yeah,
I love that. I love that you said that.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Yeah, so so we we get off on the wrong foot.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
Yeah, she lives on the opposite side of the house
with I I live in the I live in the
UK house. Basically, she lives in Johnny Banana's room and
room Johnny Nanzeler's in her room, which is probably like
a brewing other alliance. I think they're called the Janees

(45:22):
and Tarzan.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Yeah, I love it. That was so cute.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Let's talk about one of the One of the major
ways that Survivor and The Challenge are different is that look,
Survivor switches up its format from time to time. They'll
throw a monkey wrench in there, some super idol or something,
but for the most part, the seasons are pretty similar
from season to season, with few exceptions.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
The Challenge, though, every season is different.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
This season's a partner season, Next season might be individual,
this season after that might be two big teams. And
here we are three episodes in three two and a
half and it's been basically three different formats. Aready, Yeah,
you and Johnny end up partnering up from the get go,
but very quickly you realize, oh, this is only going
to last us this one Challenge.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Maybe we can revisit it. Who knows.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Let me ask you, when you guys found out about
the switching up of the teams. Were you, at least you,
I don't know collectively, but were you upset that you
and Johnny weren't going to continue as a pair. Did
you look at it as a benefit, like, oh now
I have an ally who's moving on somewhere else in
the game. What were you thinking and did you expect
the twist and turns to start that soon into the game.

Speaker 6 (46:33):
I did not expect that many twists on challenge. It
got to a point where, at least for me, I
started thinking, oh my god, there's so much to keep
track of with all these twists that TJ's throwing at us.
As far as Johnny and I being partners, it was
a little bit of half and half because gameplay wise,
it's a positive because now someone that I'm already connected
with he has another partner.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
I know that these two people are never going to
volt me in and.

Speaker 6 (46:55):
Vice versa, right, But I was a little bit sad
about it because we worked so well together on the
first challenge.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
I mean there was, like he said, there was no
frustration we actually had. You know, we just didn't stop.

Speaker 6 (47:09):
We would throw the balls to our side like we
had something good going on. And I thought to myself,
all right, we can be a freaking dominating force together
on the season. So it was a little bit of both,
and a part of me also didn't like the switch
because then it's like, damn, now I got to get
to know every single that mail every week, which in

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for one part it's good because I have to get
to know people, But is it enough time to get
to know each other? Because what the fancies is they
see one week of us switching partners, but really that
happened twice a week. We're switching partners twice a week
because we're doing challenges twice a week, So is it
enough time to get to know people? And now you're
adding a layer of the hangnail? So basically we start

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picking up pretty quickly like my life, and I, oh, shoot,
if if it's a if it's a male hangnail, that
means the women have the and vice versa, So now it.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Becomes a shit.

Speaker 6 (48:03):
Some people can actually throw the game to get their
partner to go into elimination, so it just it's very
I didn't like the format because it would have been
cool to see people stick together with partners to see.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Who won the war at the end, right.

Speaker 6 (48:19):
That was just my opinion, But I guess you just
kind of have to adapt, even on the Challenge with
everything that TJ was throwing at us.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
You mentioned that Challenge people would not be able to
cut it on Survivor because of all the survival stuff,
the conditions, the maybe not having coffee right when you
want it. I noticed that when people from Big Brother
or Survivor especially, which is a very formatted game that
when you go back and watch forty seasons of you
can more or less predict Okay, we're going to be
at the merge around episode eight or whatever. The Challenge

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is not that, and what you often hear when people
come over to the Challenge is, man, they switch the
shit up a lot. It seems like they're making it
up on the spot, and you have no idea does
do with it?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
You know?

Speaker 6 (48:56):
Yeah, I would actually love to sit and talk to
someone from production and see if they actually make things
up on the spot, because every time we all try
to guess what's happening, even with the vets, because I
am not you know, I'm not a Challenge fan. I'm
kind of I just threw myself in with the wolves,
and I would ask these vets like, oh, what do
you guys think it's going to happen?

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Anytime, they'd answer it did not go that way.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Well, Johnny and you we talked about it on stage
with Johnny last week. You guys assume or think, hey,
maybe we can use this save a team to our advantage.
We save Theo's team, not because we actually want to
save THEO, but because it might take away a vote
from THEO and his partner. And then that magically is
not the way that it plays out.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Actually, yeah, crazy.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, So it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
It's like having a guy like Johnny, even if it's
only for one week or one challenge. Johnny is someone
who is always trying to bend the rules, ask forgiveness,
not permission, things like that. So I wonder did he
take you under his wing at all and try to
guide you through the sort of unwritten strategy of a game,
manipulating their rules in ways that the challenge gods as
we call them, don't even know you're gonna use them for.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
So one thing I liked is when we became partners,
we have to do interviews before the challenge and after
the challenge. Right, there was a time where I sat
with him and I told him, I am learning a
lot from you right now, and the way in which
you tell a story. So even outside of the game itself,
I was learning from him, thinking, Oh, I like the
way that you kind of maybe portrayed what's going on

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in the storytelling of the game. And then when it
got when we found out that we get to save
a team, I kind of let him take the rein
because one he has more experience. Just because I want
survivor doesn't mean I know the game of the challenge,
right I'm still learning so many people here.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I'm still trying to figure out.

Speaker 6 (50:37):
Who's aligned with who, who doesn't like who. So he
brought up the fact let's say THEO and Easy and
then let's you know, obviously we'll tell them. So we
sat down with Izzy and THEO, and we told them
we're saving you so that you guys can have our
back later on, because you guys are a strong team.
If we save you now, we expect you to save
us later.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
So that was.

Speaker 6 (50:57):
Really the mindset behind But obviously it was so that
they wouldn't get a vote because they weren't in our alliance,
you know.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yeah, and you told us as viewers it was that,
but you tell them the other thing, which is sillion
storytelling for Johnny because he knows he either look comes
out of it looking brilliant or they're none the wiser anyway,
you know.

Speaker 6 (51:17):
Correct, Yeah, but I mean at the end of the day,
I personally thought strategically, that was a smart move to
do when you're playing the game, because you got to
stay a few steps ahead of the game. So even
though we didn't know that they would have a vote,
we had to be prepared if they didn't have a vote.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (51:34):
They tried to get it too, for one, and they
got they had nothing.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
When TV said that, we're like, oh, this is so stupid.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
Well, sometimes, like I mean, people do overthink the game,
you know, like where something would make sense to us,
doesn't necessarily you know, isn't isn't what they would do,
Because a lot of times like like well, we'll look
at this game or an elimination or or a competition,
We're like, man, wouldn't it been better if that's that's.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
How it was, or if they would have just added
this extra rule.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
It would have been a lot cooler if they made
us like, you know, jump here instead of instead of
jumping over there.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Man, that would have been a lot more fun, made
more sense. Yeah, it was didn't work that way.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
It did not work that way every single time, and didn't.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Here's a good question from Diana.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Diana wants to know, d how do the challenge competitions
compare to Survivor competition to challenge.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
I'll tell you what challenge is more physically demanding. There's
a lot more fear to overcome on the challenge because
we're jumping off forty fifty foot platforms.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
We're swimming a lot longer distances.

Speaker 6 (52:58):
Like you, to be on the challenge, you not necessarily
that you have to be an athlete, but you gotta
have fitness as a lifestyle. If you don't, you're you're
gonna be at the end, right. But the thing with Survivor,
even though the challenges are less harder because we're not
eating and we're one, two, three, four weeks no eating,
anytime you swim three feet you're.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Blacked out, right, You're blacked out.

Speaker 6 (53:21):
So I would definitely say Survivor is psychologically warfare. But
the challenge, the challenges in themselves are physically harder. You
kind of just have to go for it and you
you can't think about fear and Derek, you can this.
Like to me, when I saw those challenges, dude, a
part of me was like, is this even safe? Like

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what did I sign up for? I'm nervous When you
look at the water, there's mold. When TJ says you're
jumping off of this platform and you're looking from afar
and then you actually get there, it's way higher than.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
You initially thought. For me, I think I still have
PTSD from some of the things that we did.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
To be honest, yeah, yeah, I mean, and and and
kind of like to for a feather in your own
cap like you caught you you you win Survivor, and
then you come on the challenge and your first daily
official daily, not the mountain, but your first I mean
the mountain itself was like how what is this thing?

Speaker 4 (54:17):
And how how did right it?

Speaker 5 (54:19):
Dude?

Speaker 3 (54:20):
It was crazy.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Gave the people no no, it gave us no justice
on how hard that at all.

Speaker 6 (54:25):
It was not showing how hard it was and how
steep it was either how long it took.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
Us right right, I mean, because you got guys like
jeer me out there that are just like, yeah, normally
do nine hour I normally want to do nine hour runs, but.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
One was an hour and a half.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
Yeah, but you win the Mudball the Mudball Madness Challenge
with with with Johnny and then and then you get
this this puzzle and and it's it's like, can you
tell me how you guys solve this puzzle? And at
what point were you? Like? I can't he underneath the car,

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Like I'm I'm telling my partner that like that like
that that weird shape is on the far right side
and it's black. But I really don't know, like I
I don't know how many things are sticking out of
this this this like want to be looking tree?

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Like, at what point? Where do were you?

Speaker 5 (55:21):
Like? I I really like I'm guessing I might be
borderline lying that I saw when I saw Yeah, Like,
how long.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Did it take you to be? Like I that's I
can't see anything.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
It's a clear dude.

Speaker 6 (55:36):
It took le r on us a long time to
figure out that there may be a pattern here. And
to be honest, yeah, lewra is nothing great at puzzles,
but he's the that he's the one that's more experienced.
You should know that there's a pattern here. I at first,
I'm like, all right, if this is memorization, I got this.
I'm so good with memory. But then when we're standing

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under those flying cars, they were going so quick that
you're like, nah, this.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Is is this? Is this a fucking joke? Is TJ
playing a joke on us?

Speaker 6 (56:04):
Because everyone was actually trying to figure out the car.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
And then it got to a point that kind of
people were started helping each other.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
Out and they're like, you know, there's a pattern here,
and and the black and the blue are mirrors of
each other, and then the other colors they flip. And
even knowing that information, Lero and I still couldn't get
the puzzle. It got to the point where I looked
at Lero, I'm like, dude, I'm kind of nervous, and
he goes, d just chill because it was the girl's elimination,
so whoever, if you get last, you're automatically going into elimination.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
I'm like, Lero, I'm I'm fucking nervous, what's gonna happen?
And he was just like, d it's fine, it's fine.
So I don't know how we ended up getting it. Thankfully,
you and you and Blue were last, because if not,
I would have probably gone home.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
Let me add just another level, another degree of difficulty
to the challenge that we never talk about because it's
it's it doesn't ever really come up. TJ tells you
the rules, right, and what you're supposed to do. Yeah,
and it has nothing to do with what you're supposed
to do. Yeah, I don't like they're like, hey, there's

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gonna be these flying cars. You're gonna look at the
pattern underneath just to find out that, like you can't
see any of the information in the car, and yeah,
we're it's there. It's the pattern that you're supposed to
figure out. Like, he didn't say its the pattern you're
supposed to figure out. He's like, you gotta look under
there to get to match the pattern.

Speaker 6 (57:28):
See, that's the difference between Survivor and Challenge Survivor. When
you go and play and they give you the rules
for the challenges, you know for a fact that you
can trust Jeff.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
You know for a fact.

Speaker 6 (57:41):
I quickly learned on the challenge that no matter what
TJ says or the rules, something's up and you gotta
think ahead. And that's why you can say whatever you
want about Johnny, but this motherfucker thinks about these things.
He thinks about all right, what are the grey areas?
Because if we had listened to TJ saying you to
look at the cars, we would have still been in

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that challenge, Leroy and I you know what I mean,
Like I learned very quickly that yeah, you cannot trust
these rules.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Well, while we're throwing TJ under the bus, just kidding,
let's get to oscar question. Oscar wats you know? What
are the differences in similarities between TJ, of course and
mister Jeff Probs.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
That's a good question. I love both of them. What
I really liked about TJ. He talks a lot to
the vets.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
So what the fan does the fans don't see is
that here's the difference between Survivor and Challenge.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
When it comes to production.

Speaker 6 (58:35):
Survivor doesn't do a lot of retakes. It's every once
and one and done right. So when we go to
the challenges on Survivor, we're talking to Jeff, and what
the fan see us.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Talking, that's exactly what's going on.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
And as soon as the challenge is done, we leave
right for the Challenge, we go on the challenge, but
they still need to do drone shots, so we got
to walk back walk forward. So while the drone shots
are happening, we get to talk to TJ. And what
I really like about TJ is that you can tell
how much he cares about the bets and obviously you
guys have you You.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Are what makes the show right, So that's what I
really liked. He just very laid back and he cracks jokes.

Speaker 6 (59:11):
I think the similarity between both is, at least for me,
I don't want to let either of them down.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
I view both of them like uncles that.

Speaker 6 (59:21):
You know, like if you fuck up or you do
something and you say something you're not supposed to, it's like,
I don't want to let him down. That's kind of
like the vibe that I got from both of them.
But I'll say TJ talks to the cast a little
bit more than Jeff does, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
So this is something I always enjoy asking survivor players
because when I sit at home and my wife and
I are watching this, one thing that Jeff does is
whether he's talking to you or at you, he kind
of does like live commentary, where for instance, like like
let's say you are struggling from afar, he will be like,
d really struggling with that rope letting every other team

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go way past her. Her team has no shot because
of her, And I'm sitting on my couch.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Yes, Jeff, why are you telling that?

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Shut up?

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Yeah, So I want.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
To know, like from you, does he ever give you,
guys information that ends up getting used later on at
tribal or at camp or otherwise that you wouldn't have
had if he didn't blurt it out.

Speaker 6 (01:00:21):
No, no, no, Jeff is extremely smart. I mean they've
both been doing so for so long.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
So Jeff on the challenges, he makes fun of you
more like he's very sassy and I love that. And
then TJ he'll he'll he.

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
Won't get sassy, he'll just make you feel like shit,
you know, you know, like if you're if you're if
you're scared.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Of something, TJ will be like, why are you scared?

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
D do it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
What difference does it make?

Speaker 6 (01:00:46):
And I'm just there like, oh my god, Like he's right,
but that doesn't take away the fact that I'm scared.
And then Jeff would more so be sassy. So they
they both have their way of dealing with the challenges
and to be honest, I love them both. Think you
need both of them in your life.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
I think although like TJ has gone away from being
like that like you really sucked at that, you know,
type of attitude, like like you're really gonna fucking quit,
I still think he has like a way about him
where like he can tell you like you sucked without
telling you you sucked at that, or or you know,

(01:01:22):
he's like his his his, you know, but when you
do a good job, like he's he's.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Like, yeah, you know, that's the thing. You want to
make him proud.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
But when it comes to like you know, if someone
like really looks like they like just were not very
good at that certain thing, and they like, like he's
gonna he's he's like he's softer now, you know. I
feel like he's he's gotten much softer. We've talked about this, Scott.
He's definitely gotten softer over the years. But I still
think there's subtle ways of him kind of telling you

(01:01:54):
exactly what it was when when it when it really
was that if you if you know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
I think they both have a way of telling you
the truth that for some people, it could hurt them.
But if Jeff or TJ tells you something, you kind
of just take it and you know that it's not
being done with malicious intent, if that makes sense. It's
just because they care about their show and they care
about the people in their show too.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
I want I want to ask I want to ask
the about some more about this, the physicality of the challenge,
because we did have a pretty epic elimination called laser
focus between Tay and Blue and uh, I don't know
if you've seen any like a man on man, woman
on woman, yeah, or eliminations either you know in the

(01:02:42):
previous seasons that you've seen, or even on Survivor or
anywhere else in reality TV. But like, this elimination to
me was like epic as far as it was so
hard the women went. And I'm curious, like when you
watch that, what was going through your mind? Is that

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something that like got your juice is flowing? Is it
something that like you wanted to do or were you like, listen,
this is a little too much for me. This isn't
what I've signed up for.

Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
Dude, I wanted to do that. I saw that elimination,
and first of all, I think something that maybe hasn't
been said, but from what I've been hearing, they were
wearing these goggles. They couldn't see the peripheral vision, so
it made it ten times harder. But watching them go
at it, I mean, this is what I signed up for.
And like I said, I've been watched three seasons, but
I was paying attention more to the challenges to know,

(01:03:36):
all right, what.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Am I getting myself into. And I grew up doing sports.
I grew up doing martial arts.

Speaker 6 (01:03:47):
My first sport was judo, so I've always liked contact
sports and physical things. So when I saw that elimination,
I'm like, first of all, these girls are going so hard.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
I'm glad I'm not there too.

Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
If I ever do go into elimination, I'm praying that
it's physical because when it comes to puzzle, I'm not
the brightest. So if I go home, I'm just praying
that it's something physical because I know that I would
give it my one hundred and ten percent. But yeah,
it's a little bit obviously nerve wrecking to see that
and know, shit, is that going to happen to me?

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (01:04:20):
But no, I signed up for it. And I do
like contact sports, so I love that. I love that
I was praying for it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
I would also love to know what your experience has
been dealing with these two very different but very dedicated
fan bases. Right, So, Survivor, obviously we've got going on
fifty seasons under our belt. As you mentioned, it's a
little bit more family friendly of a show. However, there
are people who live and breathe that show and can

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get messy, and their opinions can get messy, and they
can they want to follow you and everything you're doing
on and off the show just as much as the salacious.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Challenge fans do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Then, of course you're only a few episodes in, but
you come over to me gav World, the Challenge World.
You're stepping in, as I mentioned, as a rookie, kind
of onto their show. Now, what's it been like navigating
these fan bases. I know you're on social media, not
like overtly so, but you're on social media. Talk about
navigating the whole well, the other nine months out of
the year that you're not filming, when you're either watching

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it alongside fans or just watching them talk about you
from afar.

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
Yeah, I think anyone that signs up for reality TV,
you got to know that the more you do these
shows and the more you grow, the more split opinions
you're gonna have on your character and or game decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
What I've noticed is Survivor fans.

Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
Granted I'm only a few episodes in for Challenge, but
Survivor fans, they will go a little bit more hardcore
on your strategic decisions and Challenge it's a little bit
more based off your character and who you are as
a person. But both at the end of the day,
whether it's Challenge, Survivor or any other reality TV show,
you're just seeing what's edited you're seeing or or maybe

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see how in a low point where you were you
know what I mean. But I take that pretty well.
At the end of the day, I have a great
support system. I make my friends from the show that
are so funny, and we send each other hate.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Like on group chats. We just send each other hate
and then we laugh about it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:16):
And I think that that is something that if I
could give advice to anyone, either going on the Challenge
or going on Survivor.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
One, you need to know exactly who you are, what your.

Speaker 6 (01:06:25):
Intentions are, yes, you're gonna make mistakes, but at the
end of the day that we're human and we all grow.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Everybody makes mistakes.

Speaker 6 (01:06:31):
The only difference is that we're making these mistakes on
the show and you're watching that, right, and just people
make mistakes outside of the show when it's not being filmed.
So at the end of the day, for me, the
way I see it is, nothing is ever as serious
as we make it out to be. And I think
that's why maybe you know, even during this episode, I
was laughing things off because I'm like, whatever, it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Happens all the time, and you know what, at the end.

Speaker 6 (01:06:55):
Of the day, I wish everyone well. And even with
will you know what I mean, you see him crying,
but that's what the edit is showing. You don't know
if he was crying over me, he could have been
crying over his mom or his relation, you know, something else.
So I think, you know, I can sit here and
say that the fans should take it easy because everyone
is a human at the end of the day, but

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they're gonna do it anyway, so who cares, Like, Let's
just give him a show. So that's just the way
I see fandom.

Speaker 5 (01:07:22):
Listen a few years back, I feel like double standards existed.
I don't feel the double standards exist as much anymore?

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Am I wrong? Scott?

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
I feel like what double?

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
What do you mean?

Speaker 5 (01:07:38):
Because it's like it's like, you know, I don't hate
the player, I hate the game type of situation for
d here because like you know, she had Will feeling
like fall in love with her basically right in like
a week, weeks, ten days, no two a time, right,

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and she's like, all right, I'm good with Will. All right,
I've seen enough I felt I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
See.

Speaker 5 (01:08:08):
Uh, hello, mister Johnny Bananas. He says, do you have
a boyfriend?

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
Do you want one? An interrogation bit? Can I see
what you look like?

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
I was like, who's ask?

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
And you saw what he looked like? And you were like, bye, Will?
What's up? Mister Bananas? I heard about you?

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Yeah, so much so far. You're right, You're right, so far,
so good. As far as this love triangle.

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
Times, it's the dude that's got the two girls kind
of you know, has one of them crying in the corner.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
You know what I'm saying, So listen, if they do it,
we can do it too.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
I'm saying this is, this is, this is not again.

Speaker 6 (01:08:51):
I think right right, And I also think anything when
you're open communication, again, I think, out of respect, I
should have told Will. I think in that moment, I
just in my head, I'm like, all right, I don't
know him anything. I'm not his girlfriend, he's not my person,
and I never said or did anything to make him
believe anything.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
So but I think the respectful thing to do was
to just give him the heads up.

Speaker 6 (01:09:12):
But again, at the end of the day, I think
when you take things with open communication, and we did
have a conversation afterwards, like you can laugh things off
and just move forward, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Well, you you know better than anyone that the fans are.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Nosy af especially especially when they're not getting all of
it on the show. Like at least we've gotten a
little bit here, I mean, you know, and look, I
eventually I had to screen some of the questions that
came in.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
I didn't know if you wanted me to ask, so
I to put him on here.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
But like, again, appreciate they want to know everything about
you and your love life. They want to judge everything
about you, yeah, and your love life, and that obviously
for a man or a woman, but obviously particularly for
a woman, i'd imagine that that's got to get tiresome,
especially when it's yea and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
You know, it is, it's it's very annoying, I'll tell
you that.

Speaker 6 (01:09:59):
But again, that's what we sign up for, especially anything
TV reality or anything. You're putting yourself out there. And
the more you grow, the more people are gonna be
in your business. And it's just something you've gotta be
okay with and and that's it, and like make better
decisions and learn from them, and that's that's just the
way I see it. But yeah, is it annoying. Absolutely,
But I think that's when you start learning to okay, well,

(01:10:20):
maybe yeah, this is happening on the show, but I
shouldn't put my personal business out there, you know what
I mean, because I'm gonna let you see what I
want you to see. And I think that that's what
everyone really should do. Anyone that goes on to these
TV shows.

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
I think you're handling it well, and I think all
I think really the bottom line is like when you
just own it and you talk about it, it's like
it's so much easier to like, you know, keep on going.
My last question is about these alliances. This last week
when we had yearing Me on the podcast, I I
alluded to the fact that he was three Marines are

(01:10:54):
rooming in the same room with Johnny Bananas, a seven
time champion crazy, and I was curious if like was
like a military alliance, like without being said, right, So
I'm just kind of like guessing that maybe that exists, right,
being like, you know, guys in the military, like you
probably don't talk too much. You watch out for each other.
That's what I would do, right if I were them,

(01:11:15):
And they're kind and it seems like by accident they're
they're watching Johnny right. And then on the flip side,
you kind of you got this new alliance with with
you Sydney Leka and and and jeer Me right and
and so the the Tarzan and the Jans right, and
then James Jans and the Tarzan.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
And then you have the UK alliance, and then you
have the.

Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
Johnny Bananas alliance. So I'm curious, like if you it
is is the is the jans And and Tarzan a
like a sub section of a broader Johnny Banana's alliance
or does Johnny have his own people. And I know
it hasn't been talking about quite yet yet, but there

(01:12:02):
is another room in this house and the other corner
by way of Mikayla Ashley, Oh yeah, yeah, what's w's
who else is in there? A Nani that hasn't Anissa
that haven't really been brought to our attention right that?

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
Yeah, everyone else is kind of.

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
Like in some ways the alliances are slowly forming. But
and it's really the way I look at it right now,
it's like upstairs versus downstairs. You call it the Johnny
Bananas Alliance versus the UK Alliance, And that's what it
feels like right now. But now we see these little
like sub sections right in that one room we haven't
talked about yet, and I'm curious if they're anyone that exists.

(01:12:47):
But because again I don't know if the military one
is an actual alliance. We just found out about your
the Tarzans, the Jane's and the tarzan And I'm just curious, like,
do you, like, are you in the Johnny Banana's lines?
Is that a bigger alliance? Is there a bigger alliance?
Is there a giant?

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
Is there an actual Johnny Banana's Alliance Is there a
bigger alliance?

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
Is there a john Is there an actual Johnny Banana's alliance?

Speaker 6 (01:13:23):
I think that there are multiple alliances and for sure
sub alliances. Out of the gate, it was very like
power dynamic Olivia Johnny, Olivia Johnny, and then by proxy
people fell under that and.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Give kudos to both of them, like they both went
and swinging.

Speaker 6 (01:13:39):
Good for them, right, I think with so immediately Johnny
and I connected, and then by proxy he got a
viva Nanni and he actually sat me down one day,
and this is what I appreciated about him. He told me,
I don't know what I would ever do if I
had to pick between you, of EV and Nanny. And
I told him immediately, I'm like, what you're gonna do
is not pick me. I will go into an elimination.

(01:13:59):
I would never let you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Pick your girls over me. Like we just met right
on side of that.

Speaker 6 (01:14:06):
And I also actually ended up going to Nanni and
one of the challenges, and I was like, Nanny, Johnny
and I are getting closer. I never want you to
think that you and I are going to be against
each other.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Like we're working together.

Speaker 6 (01:14:18):
We're good and I kind of vibe with Nannie Ashley
Aviv like those women aside from Johnny, and it just
so happened that they were together. And then with the
James and the Tarzan with Jeremy, Lex and I. Jeremy
and I connected prior to the game, so immediately we
were like, all right, we got each other's back. And
then Lex and I became roommates, and then immediately we connected,

(01:14:40):
and then Sydney was from Survivory. Immediately we connected, so well,
we just told each other, let's watch each other's backs.
And now that we know that our partners are switching,
if we can continue spreading our connections, it's good on us.
And whatever Jeremy's doing with these military men, go for it,
because by proxy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
I might be safe.

Speaker 6 (01:14:59):
And I even told Jearmy, you know, we would have
talks because we would hear about Johnny going after Jearimy,
and I would tell Jeremy, like, dude, chill, it's good
if you work with Johnny and he's not going after
you right now. Yes, you are the strongest male Brookie
in the house right now, but he's not necessarily going
after you. I would know if he was going after you,
But yeah, I kept the Janes and the Tarzan alliance

(01:15:19):
a secret because.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
I don't I don't know how people work in the
souside and people got my mouth.

Speaker 6 (01:15:24):
I want that to stay low key for now, you
know what I mean, Because I was still playing my game,
separate from whatever was happening with with Johnny and I
and whatever alliances were happening in the house.

Speaker 5 (01:15:35):
And one other thing that I need to some little
insider information that I need to give the challenge maniacs,
is that me and Sidney are on the opposite corner
of the house living with the UK alliance basically right,
and Sydney is sleeps up above me and I sleep

(01:15:55):
below her, and you know, and it's it. That's all
I'm gonna say, right because because I say because like
I said, it feels like it's the top versus the
bottom of the house. But there are some there are
some uh stragglers, right that are kind of playing all

(01:16:21):
every you know, different sides and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
Anyhow, that's all I'm gonna give them.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
And uh, and and just want to say thank you
d for for popping up.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
In here, you for having me.

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
Is there anything else you'd like to say about your uh,
your bananas type of episode.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
Oh yeah, check your notes.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Check I got my notes. I got notes. I feel like, no,
we talked about everything. We talked about everything.

Speaker 6 (01:16:49):
You guys asked great freaking questions of fun, but you
got another one.

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
I just I can't believe that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
Like we punched through the fourth wall, it's punched backwards
through the fourth wall and pull that story. That's why
I say. It's because the Challenge gods put the hotel
stuff onto the show, so we had to talk about it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:11):
Yeah, and you know what's crazy and you know what
they're doing because I when when we got the questions
from the best production partnered us together.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
You guys didn't ask for the rookies, right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:24):
Listen, listen? Really weird?

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
So you so you and Johnny got partnered together by accident, right?

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:17:32):
Me and like I got partnered by accident. I don't
know if there were any other pairs did.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
I'm not sure? But when I saw that, I'm like,
is this yoke? Are they you know what I mean?
Are they sending us up? Whatever? They know what they're doing,
they know what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
This all the time. They know us better than we know.

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
Yep, yep, anyway, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Oh my god, thank you guys. I had so much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
This yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
This will be going up on Thursday, and hopefully we'll
be seeing you maybe at a Challenge Mania Live this season.

Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
Yes, yeah, I already know which one.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
I'll let you guys talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
We'll people soon.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Thank you, awesome, Bye guys, thanks for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
All right, guys, this sends your time here on Challenge Mania.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
Take care of yourselves and hopefully we'll see in the future.

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