Ep. 491: Leroy Returns!

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
What's up, everybody. This is Scott Yeager here with another
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
All right, you didn't come for me, You came for
d and you came for Lee on the line.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Right now we got Derek Kazinski and we are joined
once again by our man.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
It's been a minute, mister Lee Roy.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
What's up y'all? Thanks for having me.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Sorry, mom, Bro, I just try to down some water
real quickly. Happy to be back man, Happy to support
Challenge Mania. You know, I love y'all.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Bro. We like family. We are family. I like family.
We are family.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
Yeah, I'd like to say so.

Speaker 6 (01:01):
I feel like we got a lot closer after last
episode as well. I mean the fact that it's like
a big Leroy week for us. I mean we haven't
had you at Challenge man. You live a real challenge.
When you're live a true challenge man, you live like
like they're gonna get this weekend. So really appreciate you, uh,
you know, showing up for us and being here. I
think the last time we had you on was when

(01:23):
we inducted you into the Challenge Mania Hall of Fame,
and I think it was just a brief moment. But
today we'll get we'll get it. We'll get a little
bit more more time with you. I want to kind
of dive right into the drama here because I really
didn't realize that.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
In last last night's episode.

Speaker 6 (01:40):
I want to get to the retiring and unretiring and
just kind of like you know, you know, just knocking
challenges out now too.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
But like I just took my notes and I just realized.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
At the last night, I'm retired again. I'm retired.

Speaker 6 (01:52):
I mean, you got America as your partner agreed to that.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
And also you got no votes. CT was calling for you.

Speaker 6 (02:06):
I wanted to put you into elimination, was asking for you,
and you got no votes. I'm looking back at my
notes here and it's five five votes to theon Adrian. Uh,
two votes to me and D two votes to uh A,
Nissa or John Johnny and Gabe got two vote and

(02:29):
they were both burn votes and you got none.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Yeah, I mean, I don't. I'm not surprised by that.
You know the only time that I'll go into elimination
is if I come in last place.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
It's very rare in my career have I ever been
voted in.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Now, granted, nobody's really worried about America and I see,
but even still say, we were this big threat I had.
I had the numbers at that point where I wasn't
gonna be give me votes. And I understand why CT
wanted me him and tell you one uh American.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
I probably was.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
They probably thought it was like the easiest team to
go against what's could be true or not true, depending
on what it is. But yeah, I knew that's how
we play out. I knew that there was no chance
that I was going to actually get any votes or
actually go.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Ahere, Derek, I want to. I want to.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I want to ask you a question because this reminds
me of a couple of weeks ago when it ends
up being CT and Derek Chavez and you were telling
me that CT was going around asking for Derek Chavez.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Now, the votes lined up that time, but.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Now I think two weeks later, we can see that
it had maybe more to do with people wanting there
or being okay with at least Derek Chavez being on
the chopping block than CT getting what he wants. I
know that that's how you sold it to yourself, But
here CT is going around asking for Leroy, and yourself
other people who may have maybe wanted to give CT
what he wants.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
In an alternate universe, you go with the grain here.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
So so walk me through the difference between CT want
and Chavez and CT want Leroy and the drastic change
in votes.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
Yeah, I mean it's like this, this episode is called
a war is brewing, and the war within a lot
of ourselves is like having to cut ties with somebody
during the game, almost like having to like cut a
relationship off or a friendship or in this moment, it's

(04:15):
an alliance.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
And to be completely honest with you.

Speaker 6 (04:18):
Leroy is on the right side of the alliance in
this house, and I have been voting with basically, I
don't want to say it was the wrong side. I
had been voting with who I thought was the right choice, right,
and Leroy had been voting with who he thought was
the right choice, despite the fact that both of.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Us living in the same room.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
And like, you know, Leroy has been voting against the
UK Alliance and Associates or whatever they're calling them, or
the Closet Alliance the whole time, but I've been voting
with them and now the shit and and I've been
trying to figure out Leroy lives. Leroy lives two bunk
beds away from me, and like we're getting closer, we're

(05:02):
again sharing the same like bathroom, same you know, closet space.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
I call it the he's.

Speaker 6 (05:07):
Wearing my hoodies to the fucking elimination because it's forty degrees.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
But we're voting against each other, and you know, he's
a great player for this.

Speaker 6 (05:17):
Like I'm trying to figure out, do you feel like
a spy in this in the locker room which they're
calling the Closet Alliance, which I do not like us
being called the closet Alliance, or well now I'm technically
not in the Closet Alliance anymore because I'm partners with
D and I voted against the closet and the UK
Alliance and I got a few votes you know, put
hit on me because we protected Leroy in America in

(05:38):
this moment. I don't know if I'm answering your question,
but this was a very difficult moment for me, and
we decided. You know, at this point, d is my
number one and.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
She's got a game one in the closet.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
I am out of the closet, I having kicked out
of the closet.

Speaker 6 (05:58):
Somehow Leroy manages to be friends with everyone while people
are still pissed at me, but he's still living the closet.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
No ones pissed at him.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, uh yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
So so to go back to what the Derek and
the CT vote, it wasn't even about giving CT what
he wanted. It was us. Well, I mean, for me,
is like, who's going to be the best option right now?

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Right? Derek and I are cool, right, we don't have
any issues.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
And I've seen me here put something on social media
about uh, well, you know about I can't remember saying that,
like we if who know, whoever, whoever know whoever longer? Right,
how I look at it is, Derek is a very
good player. From the beginning of the game. We knew
that he was with Olivia THEO and whatever the case
may be. If there ever would have come a time
where Derek would have chose me to go when over THEO,
I would have understod it because they have more of

(06:43):
a relationship. Yes, Derek has known me longer, but Theo's
is actually hanging out with him, and whatever the case
may be. So for me, my reason for that vote
had nothing to do with what CT wanted because far
as I know me and CT showk cans. He said
that we were in an alliance together. Now he's asking
for me, which is this that's just CC's game. Whatever
Derek thing. I know he was a little upset and

(07:05):
that's something that we have to talk about the reunion.
But yeah, man, like there's a really good Yeah, shop
is Derek shape is a really good player. He never
was on my like my side, like we never had.
We all live in the same room together. So as
far as what Derek was saying, how I'm able to
play the game and still live in the same room.
People know where I stand and I don't feel like

(07:26):
if you if someone says my name that it has
to be like we're at odds or I hate you.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Where we can't talk, you gotta fel uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
I will walk in the closet plenty of time to
see Olivia and a whole I guess you would say
closet alliance having a conversation and they would be quiet,
and I understood it, and I'll say, hey, let me
grab my stuff really quick and you guys can get
back to talking. Regardless of if it's about me, it's
just something they don't want me to hear. That's just
how I play a game, right and I'm forty. I'm
not about to sleep in a room and be uncomfortable

(07:53):
like we are playing a game. But at the same time,
it's just it's just not that serious for me, you know.
And I know where everyone stands that it sucks for you, Derek,
because like you said, I guess at that point in
the game is where Toss had to get cut. And
even when I think Leo voted in Asrian, she was like, Okay,
f you, we're not friends anymore.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
And it's just like I'm like, what are we seven? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (08:16):
Yeah, it's you know, because like in some ways, like
even Jordan put it best, I forget to who but
it's like we're playing It's like we're playing Monopoly, right,
and you know you mentioned you know CT like he's
the best player, like he's the best mind game player.
Like you said, he shook your hands, said we're good,
and then he's saying your name. Can you speak a

(08:36):
little bit on like on that on his gameplay? Do
you feel like there was any you know, animosity from
the last game you guys played together.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
I know that there's some unaired like dust.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
Ups you know that that you know maybe made things,
you know, made it easier for him to say your name,
But you know, like, can you speak on like a
little bit of like you know the I don't know,
he tells me, let.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Me tell you what cc I think.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
CT is still upset and still has an issue with
what kamon I did to him on Double Agents. We
kept trying to get him thrown in. We were trying
to block him from going to the final so rightfully,
so when you do things to people, they don't forget
about it. So as much as CT would shake my
hand and say we're cool, I know there's an underlying issue.
It would be the same way if, like if Wes
was to come back into the game, right, there's always

(09:25):
like people will never forget so, but I know how
CT plays a game, and I would rather him just
be straight out with me and say, hey, I have
this type of issue. But CT would rather just lateantly
a lot of my face and say that everything's good.
But what CT never has enough power to There's nobody
who really has enough power to say, hey, gimme leroy
because I know way too many people, right, and I'm

(09:45):
not I'm not even upset at CT for how he
moves in the game because it's it's a game.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
That's just how it works, right.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
But I always will call somebody else in their face
saying hey, did you do this, just to see if
they will be lying about it, and he should. He's
supposed to lie about it, right. We expect people to
just to tell us the truth. We're playing a game.
Is HEC was like, yeah, bro, I am saying your name,
and it was just like he's showing his cards. So
I want him to say it because it will give
me reason to do whatever. But I think that he

(10:12):
should lie. He shouldn't be like, nah, man, I'm not
saying your name. And for me, there's no love loss
when I see ct in public, I get it, but
like now I know where we staying game wise, and
when it comes to like Derek Derek Shabaz, him and

(10:33):
I aren't best friends like that. So if you dislike
me or you don't like what I did, that's okay, right,
I'm not gonna like lose any sleepover it. My intentions
wasn't to like try to harm you, but I'm trying
to get myself further in the game.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
And I felt like he was a threat.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
He was the biggest threat on the other side for me,
and that was the reason for my vote. And I
never got a chance to explain it. I ain't have to, Like,
we don't what people. You don't owe anybody any explanation
for anything that goes on in that game, right, as
much as we're like.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
No, you you need to tell me why, Like who
do you owe?

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I think at most you can really have three four
people tops that like if you're working with them, you
can be upset if they jump ship. But it's like
mathematically impossible for everyone to be on the same side
as everyone. And like when he's coming at you, guys
who are like probably the sixth or seventh votes saying that, hey,
haven't you known me longer than THEO? I wonder, is
it just Derek Chavez's recent game of making the last

(11:28):
two finals kind of catching up to him, and now
he's a player who he needs to realize people people
are coming for him like a threat. It's not just
a hey, you're on the bottom of the social totem pole.
Maybe his first few seasons of the Challenge worked out
that way where he went in early because of that
he was a newer player, But now, I mean people
are going for him the same reason they go for
a CT or a Johnny or a Derek or whomever.
In addition to yes, maybe being on the other side.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
Absolutely, and if he was, if he was looking for
a vote for me, that means you playing both sides
because I'm with the alliance upstairs. So how do you
How do you feel like I'm gonna be able to
help you? I don't even remember what the what the
vote was, but yeah, I just think that I see
I see everyone's point of view. I see see Tea's
point of view why he's tried to vote me in,
And that's why I can't be I can't be upset

(12:10):
with him right, I would like to get to the
root of finding out like what what was it?

Speaker 3 (12:14):
And we could find us out when the game is
over with it.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
But it's just I just don't be caring that much
because I understand the game.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
I know how it works. Now.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
I have my group of people that I go in
there with, which was Naya, Johnny and Nanni pretty much right,
and then everything even Derek and I we didn't have
a conversation, and I knew that you were playing for
the other side. And if if you had to throw
a vote my way, Derek, I'm sure you would have
pulled me to the side. It had been a conversation
and if we could have got back to talking about
our kids again or sleepiness, we.

Speaker 6 (12:42):
Want to but let me but let me tell you
the human aspect of this game that's very difficult to play, right,
Like I said, I'm sleeping two bunk bads away from Leroy.
Derek Chavez is sleeping next bunk Badge next to Leroy.
And I think that at some point the human element
of us waking up next to each other, sharing each

(13:04):
other's clothes, you know, sharing the hallways, sharing last telling
stories about this and that it's it's like kind of
sucking you in to like not.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
Throwing a vote someone's way. So like, if it.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Doesn't, it doesn't for me.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
If I already know what time it is, I could listen,
I could separate the two. I I I like Derek right,
love them. I have no issues with him, but I
don't give them even gave me your shirt, bro, if
it's time for you to get out of here, you
got to go, Like that's I'm serious, Like I.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Can't be like, oh, we've been sending all this time. There.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
You got two kids at home and a wife. I
got two kids at home and a wife. I never
forget what's going on with the game. So it's not
like I'm playing somebody. But I could still have a
human interaction.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
And people would. People would people when it.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
Comes to votes getting their feelings, and they have a
right to be in their feelings. I understand it and
Tom Hills all, but man, I don't give a two
ships about somebody being angry at me about voting men
because I didn't lie to nobody. I never told Derek
I would never vote him. Man, he's just upset at
why it happened.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
And whenever we get a chance to sit down.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
I'll have an explanation for that and if he if
he doesn't like the explanation, well then that's on him.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
But I don't.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
I'm not coming with any ill will. And yeah, like
I mean, for me, I still tend tones down in
my clauset.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Theo, Olivia, Adrian, Ezy.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
None of them wanted to even have a conversations around me,
and that's that's fine.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Like I don't. It doesn't.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
And I told I told Olivia, I said, listen, they
made me feel so comfortable in that room. I said,
first of all, you guys can't make me feel uncomfortable.
I won't even allow that. And secondly, thank you for
like not trying to make me feel uncomfortable being in
the room of people who were on opposite side, because
it could get ugly. You feel what I'm saying, I
can get really ugly. And one thing I can say
about Olivia and the on them, it was just like

(14:49):
it was all love, all the way, all the way
down to you know however it ends.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
Yeah, I mean, I actually saw this conversation between you two,
you three, and I don't know if they'll show it
or not, but I thought it was just like I
don't know, like when you look at this game sometimes
as like a movie, right, because we're at the point
where we're like, you know, people are pissed, Like this
is the first time where like people are really pissed.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
You have to pick a side.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
We see what sides people are on, because there's literally
like if me and D voted to go vote, like
vote you in, right, then it's all it's all changed,
it's all fucking or or if say me and D
split right, then I'm going.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
To fucking elimination.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
Or you know that's what we think, right, We think
that if we split, we're going into elimination, right, like
if we can't pick. But uh, but I forget my point.
Oh So I'm watching this interaction between Lee Roy and
and Olivia and THEO, and it's like you can't hate Leroy,

(16:01):
Like it's like, I don't know, there's something about you
where I think, like you'd be a great Big Brother
player because you're so likable, like you literally have no
offense to America and like however, you guys came together.
But like she's she is like you know, she's not
your typical challenger, right, I mean she's doing well for

(16:22):
what she's doing, but she's like, you know, Casey in
some ways, which by the way, Casey has made it
to a final, so don't you know, don't don't hate
me for that analogy. But you know, it's like, I'm
watching this interaction between you guys, and it's like I'm
watching two enemies talk and know that we're coming for
each other. You guys are like agreeing, like hey, we

(16:46):
were cool, but like we're still coming for each other
and we both know it, so no hard feelings as
the game goes on, and I just thought it was
just like boom, Like it was just fucking mind blowing
to me to watch. It was like what's movie between
Robert de Niro and al Pacino where they finally catch
each other?

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Come on, what's what's.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
The movie beat?

Speaker 6 (17:05):
It's called they finally catch They can't finally catch each
other in such a great moment, and they're like, you know,
I'm fucking coming for you. I kind of like I've
learned to like like you, you know, but you know,
it's it's good to know that we both know that
we're fucking coming for you.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
That's that's the actual conversation I was talking about and
for me, I've never had any issues, uh with THEO
or Olivia. Like I'm really just now getting to know Olivia.
I noticed she had whatever going on with bananas, but
I think that's just how how you should have. Now
if there was beef, I guess it would be a
little bit differently, but I would still be like I can't.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
I just can't.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
I don't move into a Chalis house to be uncomfortable
in a room or to make somebody else feel uncomfortable.
So it's just like, hey man, we could and this
is I always wanted to play the game. We can
still have a beer and still play the game, and
you know that I'm coming for you.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
That makes it.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
That makes it a lot easier knowing like who you're
I won't even call them an enemy. We're playing this
game that the Challenge has created, and you're on the
opposite side. I would never even use the word enemy
because they're not my enemy. There's just on the opposite side.
Now there's people in the upstairs and lines whatever you
will call it, maybe that dislikes Olivia. That has nothing
to do with me, And so I try to make

(18:16):
that clear to THEO and my vote isn't coming from
a point of dislike, is that this is a team
that I'm rotting with, and this is why we have
to go here. Hey, I'm gonna be sleeping here, You're
gonna be sleeping here. We cool, They're like, we cool.
That makes my day so much easier. We already got
a lot of stuff to even think about and worry
about when you think about what the challenge is gonna
be and what you're scared of, And now I gotta

(18:36):
worry about I can't even sleep in my room.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
That's crazy.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
Well let's let's let's move to the crazy because that
happened this episode.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
Also, yeah, sorry, you got something good there, Scott.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Keep going.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
I want to go a little broader and back up
a little bit because I worry about being like we're
talking about like the last two episodes and then we're
gonna go do another podcast about the last episode. And
this guy had this guy's been off since season thirty six,
so I kind of have some other stuff I wanted
to get in there.

Speaker 6 (19:04):
But let's do it whenever, whenever we want to come
back to this or we can finish it. Now, let's
go to what like, basically, you got yourself a new
roommate in the closet. This uh, this episode, right uh,
Anissa basically either gets kicked out or moves out into
the downstairs right into the her official UK Alliance room.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Right like, we.

Speaker 6 (19:27):
Haven't gotten we haven't getting gotten kicked out of our
rooms yet, right, Like we haven't been so uncomfortable that
like we need to leave, like I did. I took
with you after this vote, Like I stayed away from
you know, our room for you know, a good maybe
day and a half. I got some really dirty looks
from THEO and Olivia for you know, the next you know,
the foreseeable weekend. But eventually, like we you know, we

(19:50):
we we we talked about you know, what had happened.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
But like, we didn't get kicked out of our rooms.
You're not getting kicked out of your room or leaving
your room, but Anissa did.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
And she moved right next to you into the closet.
Her luggage is there. She's now moved downstairs.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
She's now living.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
You know, I think she's Adrian's roommate at this point.
How how do you feel about, you know, that situation
up there between Anissa.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
You know what everything that happened. I was sleep when
both things happen. If you look, they don't even show
to me. Every time we come home from a club,
if something happens, I'm in the bed with my feet
hanging outside the bunk bed because I'm tired and I
got kids at home like you. But what I will
say is Anissa should have been left her room because
I didn't even know that Anissa was rocking with Oliviya

(20:37):
until like the beginning of the game, and I started
like hearing how her vocal was gonna go. And so
you are completely on the whole opposite side, and girls
are caddy, right, So it's a lot different. Like with
gods being in the room, girls can be caddy not
seeing that they are, but just girls in particular can
be known as being caddy. And she already had an
argument with Ashley. I think she should have already have
moved out because she was uncomfortable in there. I'm sure

(21:06):
the girls were uncomfortable in there, and then she had
running with Nanni, so it wasn't that she got kicked out.
She chose to actually leave right to protect her her
mental and I think it was best for both sides,
for the girls upstairs and for Anissa to actually end
up leaving the room and going downstairs and being with.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
People that she feels more comfortable with.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
As far as like the whole everything that went on
between her and Ashley and everything that went on with
her and Nanny, what I can say is is not
even my business, right, but what I will say about
this last episode, and I understand how Anissa felt. I
feel like, you know, what Ashley said definitely could have
wasn't right, and I'm sure she is sorry about that.
I'm sure some of the things that Nissa said that

(21:47):
wasn't right she felt sorry for it. But even when
it comes to Nanni, I think that I understand how
Anissa felt. But when Nannie and Nissa got into it
right because because Anisa was basically upset that Nanny didn't
have her back, which I watched the episode that Nannie
was telling her telling then Ashley like, hey, I think
that was wrong with you, and you know, maybe you
should apologize or whatever.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
But then Nanni can also be upset with me.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Nanny cauld say, well, Leroy, I just got in tu
with Anissa last night. She said some crazy things about me,
and you're still hanging out with her.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
So it's like when you it's such an a challenge
house because not even a niece aren't best friends. And
when you it's hard for you to expect somebody not
to talk to someone because they did something to you.
It's like Johnny and Olivia. Johnny was beat out with Olivia,
but I can't be upset with her and be like, hey,
I'm not talking to you because you and Johnny aren't cool.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Right.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
I didn't even know Johnny and Olivia wasn't cool until
I got there, Right, So I can say, Okay, I'm
gonna I'll help vulte your way Johnny because she's against you,
but I'm not gonna be giving this girl dirty looks
or whatever. Now it was something that was like detrimental
to your health or something like that, then yes, I
can say, Man, I'm not effing with this person anymore.
But when you guys are having a verbal disagreement and

(22:57):
certain things are being said, I kind of try to
like back out of it, the same way I did
with Nanni and Anissa, because I'm closest to Nannie over
any girl that's ever done a challenge. So regardless of
what Nanni said or what Anissa said. I just say,
you know what, hey man, I'm sticking with Nanny on this, Anissa,
I'm not rocking with you because this is my girl.
So I think that, like Anissa kind of needs to

(23:18):
look at it from that point too, because you can't.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
You can't expect Nanni's just to like not.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Be this girl's friend anymore and not talk to her
ever because she did something to you, If that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
Yeah, yeah, no, I completely get it.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
Like I mean, based on what's going on in the
game right now, we shouldn't even be talking, so I mean,
or like what happened in you know, like you know,
us just voting in different directions every single time, you know,
or whatever. I get that it got a little bit
deeper obviously, you know.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
But it's like when two people.

Speaker 6 (23:51):
Fight, like it's it's between you two, Like, yeah, don't
bring me into this, like yeah, she said some fucked
up shit, you said some fucked up shit, but in reality,
like it's between you two.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
I don't want any part of this fucking toxic shit.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
Do not pull me into this. I'm gonna continue. You know,
it's up to you on how you fight your battles.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
I can't.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
I got enough battles to fight near. I got two
kids at home and a wife.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, you know whatever.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
I don't really be wanting to give my opinion on like,
especially since they both said something pretty bad to each
I guess you would say, yeah, I just want to
be out of it, and my opinion is asked, I'll
say it, but I'm like, listen, I want to stay
out of it. And uh, it will be the same
with Johnny, right, Johnny used to be really upset with
Paulie or really upset with Wes, and then if I
was like hanging out with one of them, he'd be
all male, I can't believe. I'm like, bro, I don't

(24:42):
even want to be in the middle of this. I
don't want to be in the middle of nobody's stuff
at all. I mean, it was one point I think
Johnny was upset with Devin, and then Devin became my
partner on Off Stars Forward, and now Johnny and Devin
are best friends again, and I'm just like, now Johnny
and paul you are best friends again.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Now Johnny and West's best friends again.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
So it's like, when you we start choosing size what
happens that these two become friends again, and then I'm
over here like, well, I wasn't messing with you because
none he said this, or because Anissa said this, So
it was like, yeah, keep me out.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
That's why I always say, when you have a friend,
he breaks up with a girl or a girl breaks
up with a guy, and your instinct is right away
to say I never liked him. I never liked him.
This was gonna happen. They're gonna get back together, and
that first time they go out, you know who was
talking shit when we broke up, Scott Jeger said he
never liked you, and then then you're the one on
the outs. So it's funny you mentioned a whole bunch

(25:32):
of relationship dynamics and things like that. I want to
go back in time to obviously season thirty six, I
believe is double Agents.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
You actually referenced it earlier.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
You and Cam came up just short on separate teams
at that point, but Seet ends up taking a home
with Amber. Then you announced your subsequent retirement. Right, Obviously,
we saw you guys go and building a family, doing
all this stuff, but then we see both you guys
come back for a triumphant return on All Stars four,
which you haven't sat down since All Stars four, season

(26:01):
forty All Stars five, now here again on season forty one,
and I want to talk about all the different social
dynamics that have been in play, because you've done a
couple of seasons with Johnny, who, as you said, you
have a close relationship with. You did a season you
and Cam came back for All Stars four, and then
you did one All Stars five where you were there
without either one of them, and like you said, tether
to Devin, who at that point had been at odds

(26:22):
with one of your best friends. So first and foremost,
I want to ask you what led to the comeback.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
We haven't had you on since.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I know it's hard to go kind of walk yourself
back in time, but you know there are a few
seasons there where you weren't on the show, you didn't
want to come on the podcast, you would really put
the challenge in your rear view.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
And then, like I said, now here you are four
seasons in a row. So what changed put yourself back
in that headspace and what got you back in the game.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
So this whole thing is going to be aired, right
or a people going to see it. I think people
always forget the reason that I that I stopped doing
the show. I didn't stop doing the show because I
didn't like it. I stopped doing the show because of
what happened on thirty thirty, right with the Camilla situation,
and I feel like I feel like the network didn't
protect me. So at that point when I said I
was done, it was like, I'm gonna give it one
last shot, grab some money real quick, and I'm completely

(27:06):
done because I was upset at what the network had,
how they handled the Kamilla situation. For me to come back,
when I had to sit down talk with the network,
they put a they put a bias training course in place.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
It's a two hour.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Unbiased whatever bias training courses you have to take now
in order to even do the show every season, right,
And so when they put that in place, it made
me feel safe enough to come back that what happened
to me on thirty thirty would never happen again. Right, So,
whether you're saying something racially, whether you're saying something about
someone's gender, where you're anything that you say can it
will be held against you, and your ass will never

(27:41):
be coming back. So that's all I ever wanted to happen.
And until they put that in place, I didn't feel
why would I ever come back to something. Well, y'all
haven't even changed up what y'all did. So once they
put this policy in place, that made me say that
okay to myself, Hey, I'm okay, well coming back to
the show.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Now.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
I never left the show because I hated the show
or I didn't want to do it. I always wanted
to do it, even when I was still retired from
the show. But it was like when I first said
I was retired, I didn't give an explanation of why
until people see my video on Instagram. So for everybody
who's watching this, that's why I decided to leave the
show and I came back because MTV made it right,
not monetarily, but they made it right by actually doing

(28:18):
right by me to make sure it will never happen
to someone.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
That looks like me.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Again, women, anyone who is whatever the case may be,
you're good. So coming back with CAM All Stars four,
which was really good, and then I think after All Stars.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Four, I did Season forty.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
I did Season forty, had an early exit, and then
I did All Stars five, and one thing that I
did learn out of this is that I never want
to do a show with Cam again, and not in
a bad way. It's just a lot different when you're
doing it with your spouse. Right when Cam and I
were doing the show together before, we didn't even live together.
I mean a lot of times you leave you doing

(28:57):
a show, you kind of want to get away from
your spouse, so like an hour to go, so I'll
come by myself and play my game. And then if
she were to go, she go by herself and play
her game, us being in the same thing together all
Stars four. When she left, I was crushed, Devin. It
felt like death, Like, oh my gosh, she's leaving. She's
eliminated out of the game. It's too much to worry about.
So I would never want to do a show with
her ever again. Not sure how she feels, but that's

(29:18):
my reason for that. Coming back on All Stars five,
I felt like that was my best chance of winning
with having Devon as a partner, and I dropped the
ball once again and love Devin and deav He's one
of my favorite people.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
From the show. Challenge forty.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
I've been working on puzzles like crazy, and I get
eliminated first. So if you could look at my challenge
history record, I've been through every single scenario, going home first,
going home right before the final, making to a final,
I just never won. I've never thought in my life
that I would ever go home first. And I went
home first on forty which wasn't so bad because my
daughter was just born. Now fast forward to forty one

(29:57):
and I could say that I'm actually happy to be back.
Going into season forty one, I had no business being there,
I think because I wasn't prepared for it physically or
even like mentally, because this is the longest the challenge
is a lot harder than deal with All Stars, the
mental part of it. But when I got to season
forty one and they had me run up that mountain,

(30:17):
and I've seen how out of shape I was. I
looked apart, but I was just a terrible shape. I said, Wow,
this is going to be very hard, and I feel
like the challenges for forty one were quite difficult. Some
of the physical ones. I would love to use my age,
but Derek's like two years older than me, and you
crush it, bro. I watched you crush it with one leg,
which is crazy to me. Is so I wasn't forty

(30:41):
now out of shape like I'm watching Derek who is
forty something has kids at home and a wife and
fighting for the same thing be able to do it.
So it's just like Lee, I have to work ten times.
It's hard just to even get to where your level
was while competing, which is it was just crazy to watch,
crazy to watch. But being back, I am very You're
happy to be back. I do love the show. It's

(31:03):
just a different element than now that I have children
in the family at home.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
I well, no, first of all, amazing answer that encompassed
all that, of course, starting with the first explanation, which
I think some people had read through the tea leaves
or people had spoken maybe on your behalf or even
just come home and said, hey, they're they're giving us
this bias. Course now I know they have like a
twenty one page packet that flat out points out stuff
that you can or shouldn't say and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
But so that's good news.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
And then also to hear to hearing like the way
that you just came out the gate saying that look,
you got the taste of playing with Cam and you
don't think that that's right for either one of you.
I think you know to me, the fact that you
saw that right away maybe explains why we haven't seen
Cam since. I mean, you could speak to that, but
that if we do see her again, it'll probably be
with you on the sidelines with the kids. We did

(32:02):
have a question. We had a question that this isn't
quite your wife, this is sort of your work wife
here then wants to know Leroy is easier for you
to play the game once Bananas is gone. I know
he's one of your best friends, but he brings so
much attention to himself and anyone who works with him.
So talk about that season forty you leave, first, season
forty one he leaves first.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
What's the deal there?

Speaker 4 (32:24):
It's kind of like a gift from the curse when
Bananas is there. I remember we had to where the
helicopter dropped the balls. We had to run up the
thing like if Bananas wins, I win. If I win
Bananas wins, it's very rare that I'm winning a daily.
I mean, I gotta have a fucking dog ass partner,
or it's gotta be something that's in my Wheelhouse so Yesterdyear.
It used to affect me in a bad way because

(32:45):
I couldn't be able to shake away from him. I
think that people now have an understanding of like yeah,
especially not that I'm coming back and I have a
family now, Like yeah, I'm riding with Bananas. He's my guy,
but I'm not going to play his game and do
things is gonna benefit him. Right, So if he if
he wanted me to vote type of way for his game,
I will be like, nah, bro, I gotta I gotta.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Do whatever him leaving.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Whenever he leaves, it could make it hard because now
they're like, all right, we got him out of here,
and now we're about to get his boy. When Bananas leaves,
I have to be like, hey, what's this is a
new game now now that Bananas is going, how are
we gonna work together or are we gonna are you
gonna work against me or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
But it does.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
I can't say whether it's just it just it just
depends on the game. Some games it works for me
with him being there, and some games it works for
me with him being gone. But while I'm there, I'm
still playing Lee Roy's game. And he understands that I'll do. Like,
even when they thought about voting him in, I woke
him up out of his bed, like, bro, you gotta
get up. They I love him, right, I want to
be able to support him, but I'm never gonna do

(33:44):
his dirty work. And I'm also never gonna vote somebody
in just because he doesn't like him. Now, if it's
to save him, then then yes, but I still have
to like go back to the drawing board and then
look at my game.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
But it just depends on the game.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Do you do you think.

Speaker 6 (34:02):
He should have tried to flip the votes against Gabe
and try to get like Derek Travis put.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
In did do you remember that that part?

Speaker 4 (34:10):
I think I think that when he already starts to
hear his name, he's already he goes into the game
already knowing that he's public enemy number one, right, especially
him like I'm the Challenge and all of this, which
he is, right, he's the most decorated player. When you
think of the Challenge, you think of you think of
Johnny banas board before you even think of CT right, because
he's he's not that big in a social media But
I think that he was just like he that's just

(34:31):
how the cookie crumbles, like you can't flip it on
nobody else and why and how could you? Like that
would sound crazy because why go for him when we
could go for you?

Speaker 6 (34:39):
I mean he tried to flip the America vote right
like he tried to he you know, because.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
He's not because I was on his head about it,
like I was like, bro, I don't want to see
you go like you need to fight, and he didn't
want to fight.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
He was just like, man, lead, There's nothing that I
can say.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
So when he came downstairs he was talking to USCT,
that was basically him speaking through what I was telling him, like, bro,
you need to do whatever, because he's just like and
for him, he just feels like there's nothing that he
could do anyway.

Speaker 6 (35:05):
Yeah, well no, I mean that whole that whole episode
was him being like, you know what, motherfuckers, Yeah, America's
my partner and this really doesn't matter, but I am
the challenge and I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I
want and make this story about me.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
You should be paying me, is he I should be
getting part of your paycheck?

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (35:25):
I think what really probably take them off to say
that is because he was probably he was getting annoyed
with them talking. I don't think that he went down
to say that, but I mean even when you say
stuff like that, well that's why you're going in right,
and then people are gonna remember that for future seasons.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
I mean, the road is always hard for him.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
I think that even with him or him being there
or not being there, my road is my road. Like,
I have a lot of good relationships with a lot
of people, so the only people who I have to
worry about it is like, if it's somebody who's like
his true true enemy that really dislikes him, then maybe,
But for the most part, like I think people are
able to separate Bananas and I together, and if not,
then you know, I'll have to get whatever's coming.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
But that hasn't happened in years.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
I mean the last time me havings to deal with
something like bananas was probably like ex's too, with like
a West situation.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
I want to ask your thoughts on someone who I
think has been one of the standouts of this season.
She debuted on the show during your hiatus, and that's Mikayla.
I know both of you guys lived in Texas, around
the same time. So I don't know if you guys
ever your paths crossed in that regard, but this is
the first time you guys are playing on the show together.
She's a very polarizing cast member. You can just tell
by the way other cast members talk about her. You

(36:32):
could tell by the way she talks about them and
her confessionals. She's clearly come to play points wise, strategy wise.
Where do you you and her sit at this point
in the game?

Speaker 4 (36:42):
I mean from the moment I seen Michel at the airport,
Cam tell me from the gigg she's there, like you
need to link up with her because cam Rey likes her.
I don't like a lot of times if it's somebody
from like a different show or a girl, I'll wait
for Cam to like follow them first.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
And it wasn't nothing bad. But I love Mikayla. I
love her energy. I think she's really smart. I think
she's a strong player.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
I think a lot of girls fear her because she
she walks around with just like like yo, like she's
not for no bullshit.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Mikayla's gonna tell it how it is.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
And it was refreshing to be around somebody like her,
in the game, and she also has different weaknesses too,
but I think that she yes, she's a gamer. She's
a gamer. People that come from Survivor and Big Brother,
those are like true true gamers. And like I said,
I love Michael. I haven't had a chance to like
meet her when we were living in Texas, but she's

(37:30):
a beast.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Let's talk about some of these new threats. Sam has
a question.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
If you guys ever want to write in questions, you
can go to challengemaniacs dot com. It's where we gather
questions for all of our guests and bonus episodes. Sam says,
at this point, Lee, how do you feel you stack
up against the new threats? What are your thoughts and
feelings on your performance so far this season and your
strategy so trash.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Is completely trash?

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Let me tell Like I said, when I come to
that mountain, I didn't even look at the episode because
I didn't want to see how if I had to
wipe around my mouth right here from just being just
being tired that Dave Chappelle's lips is super white. Every
challenge that we went into, I will always count the
threats out. I'm saying, man, they're not gonna be able
to do this because of blah blah blah. And really
what I was doing, I was projecting of what I

(38:12):
can't do because when I think about somebody like Cedric
or a year Meat or a Will or any of
these kids, right, first of all, it's their first time
that everybody in the world knows about the challenge, So
you're showing up to really like showcase your skills. When
I did it yesteryear, I mean, I knew about the challenge,
but it wasn't like how it is now. It was
kind of it just started getting like pretty wild. And

(38:33):
these kids are way younger, right, and I'm hella out
of shape. And even if I were their age, some
of the stuff that they're doing I still need to
be able to do.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
So how I match up with them?

Speaker 4 (38:44):
I feel like I'm trash like and I'm meaning and
must respectful, But that's just the terms, Like, hey, well
look at.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
That dude you are.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
You were when we first were introduced to you on
Real World Vegas, you were, in fact the garbage man, right,
So the trash is something that you hold dear and
dear to your heart.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
And to take a quote from the Dark Night and
maybe feel around the bed.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
They say they do say you either die taking out
the trash or you live long enough to see yourself
become the trash.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
I think it's what's happened.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Yes, I like that, yo, But so what I will
say is lately I haven't been putting in the work
as far as like my workout goes, as far as
like my diet goes, just being at home with the kids,
no excuses.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
I just got lazy.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
So me thinking that I'm gonna show up to a
challenge is normally like we get in shape while we're there,
kind of like what CT does. He'll show up kind
of out of shape, and then throughout the weeks that
you're being there, you're gonna get in shape. I know
I can buy myself time because I'm Leroy and I
have a lot of connections. I'm not buying myself time
because I'm the most I'm the best competitor. I'm gonna
win dailies. I know I could do enough to get by.

(39:46):
I can get in great shape by the end, and
I'm able to run a final. I don't know if
I could do a puzzle, but I could definitely run one.
But at the beginning of the game. Coming into the
season now or the first, the last couple of seasons
I've done, I've just been in terrible shape. And CT,
even if he would, even if CT would have made
it to a final, I don't think he would have
been able to.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Win because these kids are gonna run laps around him,
you know.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
And even he show how good he could do with
the what is it the mini final, but man, we're
talking about something that's all day long, and yeah, there's
nothing I could do to compete against someone like Sedgric
who's twenty two that really really wants it, right, I
want it, but I don't feel like I wanted as
much as I wanted it when I was in my prime.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Now it's kind of like, eh, you could look, I mean,
I could.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
Be honest and look at the cast and see, like,
if I'm in a final, like all right, I might
be cooked. Right when I did dirty, when I did
the last final I did was a season thirty six
double A just I felt like, yo, I could do this.
I was in great shape. I feel like me and
ninety had it and it just didn't work. I didn't
have that same type of confidence as this game went on.
First of all, my swimming is trash. Back in the day,
I would have easily been able to climb that tower

(40:53):
right now, I don't know if I would have jumped
in there, but I would have easily been able to
climb it. I had grip strength when I did balls
in against Tony like I would have got my he's
putting a dirt like that. But now this Lee Roy
and the fear that I have in certain things, it
just isn't the same anymore.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
So if it when I do go back to the show,
I have to come correct.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
I gotta come all the way correct, because if not,
I would pretty much be what I pretty much would
be wasting a space for somebody else to get that
really won. After my first day there on season forty one,
climbing that mountain, it took everything out of me. I
was just I'm just on borrow time now. So we'll

(41:33):
see if I make it or if I or even
if I ever win. But I know that, like, well, who.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Knows that you would even remember it if you did,
because you forgot didn't you make the final line?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
All Stars four as well?

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah, but All Stars four that final was a.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Joke, right, Well, hey, but hif the was ever a
final and.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
I don't let me take that joke is disrespectful because
Laurel waned she did an amazing job. What I mean
is like the physicality of it what we're used to,
but there was nothing that you had to You just
had to literally know how to do puzzles, so it.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Was more staged out. It was less than.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No disrespect to Laurel or anybody else
who did good in that, because I still did terrible
in that as well.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
But yeah, I can't.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
I cannot show up half step, especially at forty, like
you gotta really be on point, knowing that they brought
these young kids. And I mean, I guess I would
ask you, Derek, like, how'd you feel going into it,
because I mean, I'm watching you do everything with one leg,
which is crazy.

Speaker 6 (42:24):
Well, I wish I was a little bit better than
about sixty five percent and seven months postop, but I
felt like I was getting stronger as time went on,
and I still feel like I could beat them at
some things. But I'm also not twenty two, you know
what I mean. When I was twenty two, I was

(42:44):
I could win beat these motherfuckers by accident. I was like, oh,
you're almost forty, well, I should be able to beat
you at anything. And the fact that you're beating me
at anything is absolutely ridiculous. And I'm doing half half
the shit that I'm doing now to stay and shiiture.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Listen, man, smoke.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
When I speak about you and when I speak about
you in public or and everybody who has come up,
you are a monster bro at forty forty three.

Speaker 5 (43:14):
Or forty two two.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Bro, And that's so so for myself, it was like, lead,
there's no excuse, You've just been lazy as hell. And
even on your laziest day, Derek, you still you still
can show up and do it. And it's just like
you're You're definitely cut from a different cloth. If I
was going to get twenty two year old Derek, I
probably just got myself thrown in. Give me a bout
of hair, because there's nothing I'm gonna be able to
beat this dude there, which is crazy, But I mean,

(43:37):
you think of a year me, right, or even a
will or even a game. This guy is twenty five
years old, Bro, I got fifteen years on this kid.
Johnny couldn't do like imagine going to elimination with him, he'd.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Have do that to everybody.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
I don't know if anyone would have would have beat
game to be honest with you, and I appreciate the
love and the kind words, but I mean they are
definitely like I guess my next question is is just
a follow up?

Speaker 5 (44:02):
Like do you think that like what they say about us?

Speaker 6 (44:06):
You know, I would put myself in this category the
way you know stay quote unquote, you know you know
CT's performance this season, you know even look, look THEO
was at the bottom of the points system, you know,
right there with with me and you most of the game.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Like should we only be doing all Stars?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Right?

Speaker 4 (44:26):
Like?

Speaker 5 (44:27):
Is that or is that a?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Is that?

Speaker 6 (44:29):
Like?

Speaker 5 (44:30):
Bullshit? Right like?

Speaker 6 (44:30):
Because look, Johnny's the greatest player of all time. He's
not in the game anymore. But you know, me, you
and and deal with the lowest points system still are
you know?

Speaker 4 (44:40):
No, man, let me tell you regardless of shit that
better now I'm a challengeer, right like, I could do both.
I could still if I see if CTAM went and
really worked on himself, he could he I feel like
he still had a really good season, even off of
being the way in season forty he got hurt, so
so the mental part of like being hurt. Before that,
CT has never felling off anything and gotten hurt. So

(45:02):
now he's terrified. You got I'm terrified the weight that
he's carrying. If TT locked in and came back, he
still would definitely be scared, but he'll be able to
move a little bit better. Even for myself, if I
really locked in and got in shape, I would definitely
be a compete with these young kids. But when you
if you're looking like CT and I who are doing out,
even myself, who did absolutely nothing, didn't know, there's no

(45:25):
way Father Tom's gonna get you. Every time Johnny is
constantly working out, constantly eating healthy, constantly thinking about how
he wants to perform on the challenge. I'm not thinking that.
I'm sure CC not thinking that. When we get the call,
I'm just pulling up.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
I think I will I will say something that Johnny,
something that Johnny. I don't know if he does this intentionally,
but probably also helps with that other stuff, is you know,
he's he's single, ready to mingle, and he's still out there,
you know, and so I would imagine indirectly. I mean,
we're talking to a couple of guys here, we're talking
about CT. You guys are all wiped up to varying degrees,

(45:59):
and you got the kids. Johnny's a single man, no kids,
owns a boxing gym, and yes, is he conveniently preparing
for the next challenge, but he's also preparing for his
next Instagram photo shoot hawking tank tops and say Banana,
and training for his next Friday night DJing in Hartford, Connecticut.
So you know, so I think that it does become

(46:19):
a young man's game, or an older man who's still
living a young man's life game, if that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Scott, you just said it so well. And that's what
it was like for me when I was single. And
I don't want to make any excuses, but that's the truth,
right Bro. I could care less sometimes, Bro, it's probably
been about four months as I really really did something
in the gym or even decided to do a puzzle.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
I don't care. I'm trying to raise these two kids
right here.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
So it could if you could stay locked in, and
it's not to say that it's not possible.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
You could still be locked in on your fitness and stuff.
But when you ain't got no kids, you could do whatever.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
That's why I think, just like you know how the
government gives you a tax break based on how many
kids you have, I think TJ should start every final
with being like, Leroy, you're gonna get a two minute
ahead start, Derek you two head, yeah, two two minutes.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Give me a date.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah they had start fine, But my point is like, right,
like there should be some sort of because because really
it is doing it. I think with you know, a
couple extra pounds on your back literally and figuratively when
a you've got mentally the stuff that you're leaving back
at home, but also like you said, not having the
proper training time and things like that. And look, I
get that that's maybe what All Stars is for at

(47:29):
this point. Sure, but you know it would be funny though,
if there was a season where there was some sort
of a tax break, if you will, uh for those
you guys who do have little ones at home or
a wife at home and things like that.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Go ahead.

Speaker 6 (47:41):
But the thing with CT is like the only times
he had like a bet, like the points weren't didn't
go well for him was when he did heights, you know,
when he had to climb something or you know other
than Leroy.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Leroy, you took one of the worst falls off a car.
I believe that was hoisted up you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
It was fifty feet in the air and and honestly,
for us, we all feared for you, I think equally,
if not more than we fear for ct. We've seen
how that has affected his psyche. Did that affect your
ability to do hike tel?

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Every since that happened, I've been superfreid about I think
people forgot about it. I had to probably the nastiest
fall in challenge history for sure, so absolutely, Like I
remember the one we did I was part of with Izzy.
I was like, Izzy, it's a girl's day. Like, I'm
not climbing back up this thing, no, Moore. I was terrified,
Like I was shaking. I didn't want to do it,
and so the fear me not having the same strength anymore.

(48:31):
I was like, man, give me a pot of here,
give me off this platform, get me in that water
and back to safety.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Well it's funny because so many people in life have
a fear of heights that they're just born with, right,
and it's based on the fear of potentially falling. You guys,
a select few of you have a legitimate fear based
on having actually fallen from heights. So it's like to me,
especially with CT earlier this season, I was able to
perfectly understand why somebody wouldn't want to attempt to try

(48:59):
to get up a lot. That once you get up
a certain way, the only way down is falling, you know,
if you don't make it up all the way.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
That made perfect sense to me.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
I was surprised that so many people immediately went to
the Oh, this must be he doesn't care, this must
be cheating, this must be trying to get her thrown
in or whatever of it.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
And I feel like, correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
I don't know if you were flat out saying that,
but I think you were on the sidelines watching that,
maybe kind of chirping more about maybe his size and
athletic prowess at the time. Did you not think of
the psychological element of the time, or is that something
that maybe they didn't show us because I've noticed, I
mean kind of keeping tabs on who's been talking about
CT this season one way or the other, And you

(49:38):
have been one of those people that's had quite a
few little comments there, and they showed him because some
of them were pretty funny.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
But you know, yeah, I think that when you see
me say that, because I knew.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
I knew that CT really wasn't.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
For me, right, Like he he really wasn't rocking with
me the whole season as much as he said he
plays mind games right, And I'll tell him to his face.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
And yeah, CT wasn't really rocking with me.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
So I probably jumped on the bandwagon of being like, yeah,
he only did it on purpose.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
It was a game move.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
It wasn't like I dislike him, but it's just like,
I know how CT probably talks about me behind my back,
not in a malicious way, but in a way of
like indirectly trying to get me up out of the game.
So seeing that I was like a chance, any chance
I got, I guess you would say that that somebody
was saying, get CT out of the game. I was
absolutely all about it, because he shook my hand and

(50:31):
then was playing a totally different game which was already
threw me off. How I feel about do I think
he did it on purpose? There's a lot of different
elements that came to this. I feel like a CT
was definitely one hundred percent scared from what happened to forty,
which is rightfully so CT's weight, right, I say that respectfully,
he's heavier than he was in his younger years also
played a factor of him getting up it. It's also

(50:54):
a girl's day, so he also doesn't even have that
extra to even do it, right, So let's just say
if it was a guy's that he still have more
hump to do it, but he's also still scared. He's
also still heavier. It all would have played off the
same way. He never was going to be able to
make it up top, and even if he got up there,
he'd be so scared that he would probably just jump in.
I don't think that he would have actually been able

(51:16):
to complete it because it would have been too hard
for him to do it. So, but if seats, he's
also hands down one five seasons. He's also one of
the best players in the game, And if everybody's rooting
to get him out of the house, then I'm gonna
be right along with it because he's in a way
of my money.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
And so that's what it was for me. It was
it's nothing personal. It's just like, this is how the
game goes.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
And I feel like, even when CT shakes my hand
and he's thinking something differently, he's playing the game.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
He's playing a game.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
So I never I wasn't trying to say anything that
was going to be disrespectful to him or like degrading
to him.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
But yeah, they were like, yeah, justice for Leka.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Yeah I'm hopping on that train because get him on
out of here, Like it's very hard to win if
he's still there. I ain't think of people would do it.
Bananas Banana's is on that boat. People, Oh, Banana's did
it on purpose. So I don't think he did it
on purpose. I honestly feel like he couldn't do it.
But if it was a guy's day that first day,
he would have given it a little bit more effort,
but he still wouldn't be able to do it.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Let's get to our next question for Christy.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Christy wants to know, out of all the partners you've
had this season, so this is about the Females League,
who would you want to partner with again on future
seasons of the show. She got a little glimpse of
everybody you kind of get a little bit of a
salad bar. As far as partners go, who do you
think you could do it?

Speaker 3 (52:33):
For me?

Speaker 4 (52:34):
My top three girls was America, d and Sydney Man
I love, I love all three of them.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
They were really cool to work with. Sydney, Sydney. Sydney.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
I remember when I first got her, I was really
nervous because she came in like first out of all
the girls, I think first and second, so for her
to choose me, I was super nervous to work with her.
And then when we got to doing running up the Hill,
we both was kind of like crapping the bed.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
But I would say.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
I would probably say America, I really enjoy playing a
game with her. I think that like for her for
somebody who has like people who are betting against her
or thinking that she's gonna lose, cause kind of reminded
me of myself, Like no, she could do it, like
she surprised me a lot of the challenges with having
a lot of fear.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
So I think that out of all the girls, I
will go with her. I will pick her.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
First still even with her, even with her not even
being the best, because I feel like, yeah, man, she's
just a dog.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
This is from Bad Bobby.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Not really a question, but he says, Lee, the pop
up haircut event you did sounded awesome.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I have about ten to thirteen inches of hair.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
If you'd ever make it to Iowa or the Midwest
for another one, I definitely attend. So tell the Challenge
made audience what you did last weekend. We're gonna have
you on Sunday talking with us on stage. But last
weekend you were talking with Challenge fans while giving him
a nice little snip.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Yeah, I wanted to get back to cutting hair just
for a little bit.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Like Cam's like, when you gonna start cutting hair again.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
I don't really have time to open the shop or
do it professionally. She said, maybe you should do a
barbershop pop up because a lot of people hit me
up on Instagram even emails and like, hey, when are
you cutting?

Speaker 3 (54:06):
So I set up.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
I found a barbershop in downtown Detroit called La f
La Rouche. I appreciate my guy Eric out there for
letting me, you know, hold the chair for that for
that day. And I put like these appointments out there
for people to actually book.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
It was like sixteen spots. They all got booked up.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
People came and it was really dope man, to actually
be able to meet you know, the same way you
gotta do challenge many to meet the people that support you.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
I mean, these are people that have been riding me
for years.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
So the conversations, man, it wasn't just challenge talk. It
was just like about life. I got a chance to
get it to know some of them. Some of them
I felt like, damn, I could actually hang out with
like outside of this, which I don't have time to do.
But they were actually really cool. So I did it.
I think the next city that I'm gonna go to
is probably Philly. That's the when I put the After

(54:53):
I posted it, I kind of put a filler out there,
and the.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Two top cities, which is crazy, was Philly.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
In Denver, right, I mean even in my dms P
was like Denver, Denverer, Denver, Denverer. I'm like, damn, I
didn't know we had such a following out there. So, uh, Philly,
I'm a little bit more connected with. As far as
finding the shop. I think I'll end up doing it. Actually,
I know I'll end up doing it out in Philly.
But yeah, it was cool, man. It was really dope
to be able to do. And I'm not sure when
I'm gonna do it in the trade again because I'm

(55:19):
gonna try to like bounce around from city to city.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
So I maybe so.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
We love we love Philly, so our Philly maniacs.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
You you hear that. And then Denver, if you're listening
to this and you own.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
A barbershop or work at a barbershop or no one
slide into these dms because that might be the missing
piece of getting them.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Out there as well. So that's that's really cool.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
And then, uh, Derek, I don't know if he's up
for it, but at some point we're gonna need to
hold him down and have you cut his hair if
you're okay with that.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
It might need to be a forcible entry.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
But uh, people are starting to use his hair as
a way to describe puzzle pieces on the challenge.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I think that that might be what they call it
Derek's hair. Yeah, Derek's hair.

Speaker 5 (55:59):
It was like all are with like two branches.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Like that, That's what it was. That was the piece,
Like that's crazy, Derek.

Speaker 6 (56:08):
Well thanks for nothing, everybody, next question, Yeah, we got
a couple of so you know, whenever I don't know,
as challengers, we you know, whenever I don't know, we're
either whether we're like at home trying to figure out
like who's running the game, or you're in the game

(56:30):
running the game, or someone asked you who's running the game?
I want to ask you, how does it feel to
be running the game? Because at this point, my friend,
it looks like Nannie and Ashley are running the game
and it all comes from right there, and despite the
fact that you're living downstairs with us, you're going up

(56:53):
back up there and running the game with Ashley and Nannie.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
Do you feel that way and you or do you
feel like.

Speaker 6 (57:00):
It's you know, a bigger alliance really running the game
and really it's upstairs versus downstairs at this point, which
again you're downstairs.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
But really, yeah, I think I think that it's biggering
that because it's Mikayla, every girl in everyone, So it's Mikayla,
it's a viv it's Nanny, it's Ashley, you got d
Now America. So it's like it's like upstairs versus downstairs.
Right obviously the main girls in that room are calling
the shots. Mikayla is you know she's doing her thing

(57:28):
like everybody. Everybody's putting that work in. What we all
do know is that there's gonna come a point where
the ties are gonna be split right to where all
right now save it's just us left, then we're gonna
have to go against each other.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Hopefully that doesn't cause chaos.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
I know that with the girls upstairs, I'm gonna be
riding with Nanni and Ashley before any of those girls
in that room. But for now, it's all about us
trying to get the numbers, pick off the numbers this
from downstairs. Also, the hard part for me is that
I have a really good relationship with Anissa, so I
don't want to ever have to say her name, and
hopefully it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Come to that.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
Maybe, Uh yeah, that's that's the tough part about it,
because really it's just like Olivia and maybe Adrian, who
who for me personally, who I would actually be trying
to like get up out of the game. And that's
nothing personal, just part of like upstairs versus downstairs. But
every game of every game that I played is always
going to be like a dominant alliance, and there's gonna

(58:23):
be people who who are you know, the less Fortunate Alliance.

Speaker 6 (58:28):
At that point, I've want one more uh transition with
your alliance, right, since you're tied in with your locked
in with Nanni, like she like you guys are brother
and sister. How does the Will and Olivia affect work
with that type of you know, friendship, Like what did

(58:49):
she doing with what I know last episode?

Speaker 3 (58:51):
I think that.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Nanni has been in a few situations where she's had
a romance on the show, right, So I don't think
that that would skew her mind of being like, hey,
I can't vote for this guy because we have been
romantically involved. I mean, I'm sure it will kind of
like pause it, but like it's a game now you
you also are on you're also playing with you're also

(59:15):
teammates with the enemy, so it's like, you know, we
can protect you forever long, but you know whatever, And
I like, well, all have nothing against him. But if not,
he was like he's out of there, then then that's
what will happen.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Let me ask you this. We had a couple of
people write this question and you can.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Roll that jacket too. I'm meant to tell you that Scott,
that's oh you.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Know, well, you know why I'm rocking it. So I
picked up this jacket. I picked up this hat.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
We're going to do the tailgate Game Day Hospitality tailgate
for the Michigan game on Saturday. They're playing the Wisconsin Badgers.
I figured it be October football weather. Turns out it's
gonna be like eighty degrees, so I might not be
able to wear this on Saturday. So I figured i'd
wear it today for those of you guys who aren't watching.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
In video over.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Challenge Maniacs dot Com, I'm rocking the old school chalk
Line Michigan Wolverine's jacket. So we're excited to party with
those guys on Saturday before the show on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
But all right, you could throw this away.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
I don't know if you think it's you know, maybe
shining the light on some old news whatever. But a
couple of people wrote this in, so I'm gonna put
it through the Scott Jeger filter of tactfulness. People want
to know where you or you and Cam stand with
Car and Paulie. There was kind of like a public
kind of blow up over the last few years that
kind of I forget what it was about, but it
was something having to do with a baby shower people invited,

(01:00:24):
not invited, Johnny Bananas or something like this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Can you clear the air with that and walk our.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Listeners through that if you want to, and if you
want to say plead the fifth, that's cool too. But
a couple of people did write in about that, and
I want to give you the you know, the respect
of being able to decline if you want, but people
do want to know where you guys stand with those two.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Yeah, I've seen Car on what is it? What's this
last season forty one, you know, talked or whatever, and
I mean, yeah, there's really no issue anymore. I don't
think herran Cam talking at all, and that's up to
hurt it to talk about. I don't know if there's
any bad blood there, but yeah, I don't have it.
I've never never had an issue with Paulie. Paulie We've
always been cool with obviously everything that happened on All Stars.

(01:01:05):
For Carr had her right to feel about how she
felt about us, We had our right to feel about
how she felt how we felt about her, and we
had a I just don't think there's any like bad blood,
like Car's mother had passed away or was passing away,
so I got a chance that I was there with
her at the house or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
So, I mean, there's no smoke about Sea Car. It's
still love.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I don't think that there's any I don't know if
there's any unresolved issues that her and I need to
talk about. If so, I mean that would be news
to me. But yeah, I got I still have love
for both of them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
I feel like in the challenge world that's gonna happen.
People are gonna have back and forth. Maybe you were
cool with somebody, maybe you were friends to somebody, you're
not friends no more. But there's never there's never any like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
True love loss.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
Right, I may not talk to you, or that may
have been some dislike there, or maybe it has been
something to make one of us feel uncomfortable, But yeah,
there's no I don't have an issue with Car or Paulie.
I still love them, right. Don't talk to them. I
don't want to. I haven't talked to them. It's not
that I don't talk to them. I haven't haven't spoken
to him, uh in a while, since forty one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
All right, Well, because now my memory is now coming
back to me, I think it was actually something she
said on our podcast. It was something that that kind
of started the whole Chaine to apologies first of all,
but yeah, it was something they felt like they were
they didn't get invited to you or your baby shower
or something they did.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
They did get invited.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
They got invited to the baby shower, but I think
they had to do something a week before, so they came.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
They definitely got an invite. We were they had stated.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
At our house a few times, right right, right, But nah,
I mean listen, it's I can call Pauli right now
and FaceTime.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Me and Paulie never had an issue, so yeah, it
was definitely her who. It was definitely her who said it.
But hey, I look, people wanted to know you cleared
it up, so that's good. It's it's unfortunate to hear
her and Camaron speaking because they, I mean, they seemed
like they were pretty tight, especially around that uh that season, and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
It's I mean, that's just that's just how it goes
man challenge. People don't talk to each other for a
little bit and out of nowhere they end up being
cool again. So it's just how it is with family.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Yeah, all right, you go, No that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
It's all I got.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
I mean, we got end on that. I will go
with a positive. Here we go, let's end on. Let's
end on. Kathy's question.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
This must be Kathy Leak different because she knows how
to end an interview. She says, what's LeRoy's favorite part
about married life and fatherhood?

Speaker 5 (01:03:31):
And how hard is it to go to the gym?

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
I love my shirt and shapen my belly. Right now
it looks so sad. I was brusting my teeth elly
with no shirt on, and I was like, holy shity,
you got like muffin top right now?

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
Is hard?

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Why you think I'm heard of a jacket?

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Yeah? You know what, right, it's all good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
The best part about being married is knowing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
That you just have like this, this life partner that
has your back through and through. I mean even before
we were before we actually got married, I feel like
we were married, but it's just like, yo, you are
you are locked into something beautiful that and we did
this before God. Right, So yeah, noing, I got somebody
that got my back through everything.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
That's the greatest feeling, right because you can't you can't
do this world by yourself period, regardless you have to
do it with somebody or some people are in threples.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
But yeah, that to me is.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
Just like, yeah, know that I got somebody to have
my back and and to raise my children with.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
No better feeling than being in a two parent household, right,
you know how I grew up and you know, foster homes,
all these different things. Nor did my kids have a
stable household and two stable parents. I mean, it's just
such a blessing from God. So that's the best part
about being married. Being able to walk into the school.
We're sharing the same last name. That's huge. There's no

(01:04:54):
more like mister Williams, mister Geartt. That was missus Garrett.
The best part about brotherhood. And I think that what
Cam said to me resonated with me. I just did
a video about this. Cam told me it was one
of the greatest things she's ever said. She said, I
gave you a son to re raise yourself. Oh, when
I tell you, it hit me like a ton of bricks,

(01:05:16):
like in such a good way. Like damn, when I
think about the guidance that I had from a little
boy up until even now, and different things that I
did like, man, how I will want to do how
would I do things differently if I had a second chance. Well,
I don't get a second chance to certain things, but
now how am I gonna raise my son?

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
That to me is just like damn, you get a
chance to re raise yourself. And I even spoke about
this may sound crazy. One thing that I would want
to teach him is discipline of being able to keep
your penis in your pants. That sounds it probably sounds crazy,
but it's just the reality of that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Men are so worried about Some men are so worried
about having a daughter because they're so scared for their
daughter to get pregnant. When I'm so scared for my
son to get a little girl pregnant or a woman
pregnant if it isn't right. So I think more importantly
I want him to have a relationship with God, but
I want to be able to teach him the discipline
of that because I feel like that's that's that's the
discipline that I lacked, and I didn't get that type

(01:06:13):
of guidance because the guys that I followed was all
about how many girls you could get and just give
them my body to anybody, and that to me, it's
just like when I when I can really sit down
and there you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Can think about this too.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
You have two boys, right, and you got boys as well, Scott,
And it's nothing against our daughters. But when I think about,
like as a man, being able to re raise myself,
what I'm going to be doing differently, I think that's
that's one of the best parts about fatherhood than the
second part is like, yo, now I have I got
a boy and a girl, so that's like a now
I'm trying to learn how it's different. It's a different

(01:06:46):
type of parenting when you have a.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Boy and a girl.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
So yeah, just just being able to the best part
about fatherhood is right now is being able to be
home and be president. I don't work a job where
I'm going like for like twelve hours. I'm able to
like really give them my time and be there. So
that is the thing. But yeah, that I think that
that main thing what I said about little boys with
the discipline.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
With that, I think it's huge and I think a
lot of men need to.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Our sons are going to have these feelings in different
body emotions of wanting to do this, this and that
but for him to be able to control that. I
feel like, man, a lot of fucking wars wouldn't have
happened in life if we would have been able to
control that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
And I had read something the other day. I'm sorry,
I know I'm gonna going on a tangent.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
It was like people, some guy wrote, men are more
worried about whether or not their son is going to
be gay, versus worried about whether their son is going
to be like a pedophile or killer. So when you're
praying for certain things, like I like, people are worried
about the wrong things. It's something that I've seen. I
was like, man, that really stick with me. I'm not
worried about whether my son is going to be a

(01:07:49):
homosexual or not. I hope that my son is going
to be a thief. You feel what I'm saying. So
these are the thoughts that go through my mind as
a father because I'm deep in it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
I'm deep into trying to.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
Raise a child with good values, good morals, God loving,
not God God fearing, because God is love and a
respectable humor. So fatherhood is probably the greatest thing that's
ever happened to me and changed my outlook on life.
It's and it's it's just I feel like it's just
made me a better human. Hope that I said that correctly.
I know it was a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Love it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:21):
Listen, my kid is going to be off and into
college in less than two years. So you want to
talk about like worried, concerned, hopeful that like he can
you know, handle himself and become successful. Like bro, it's
keeping his dick in his pants. However you you put
that like it's right around the corner for me. I mean,

(01:08:44):
it's probably happening right now.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Most of y'all are doing amazing jobs.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Man, Like y'all were parents before I was, so Derek,
even watch you or seeing you online with your kids
and Scott's seeing you with y'all's.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Just like I'm a dad's dad.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
I love watching dad's in action, whether it's like up
close or whether it's from afar, from social media or
even dans that I don't know. And like, So when
I see y'all, if you posting a picture on brutal
for I'm like, damn, and you guys are you guys
are in the household, which can be tough sometimes, right,
I'm sure the same thing for a woman.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Dealing with us guys is not easy.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
But yeah, man, Deck, you've done You've done an amazing
job with your son athlete.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
All of that, he ain't in no type of trouble.
That's a win.

Speaker 6 (01:09:23):
Well, we got a big day tomorrow, and uh, I'm
not gonna mention it on air, but maybe after I
got a big day tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
I will say you might have raised you might have
raised too good of an athlete if you're trying to,
you know, keep him away from the ladies. I'll be honest,
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Man, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:09:44):
No Leroy does this really funny impression of like an
older like an older man.

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:09:52):
Sometimes you'll be like shaking like your old man, or
like your knees be hurting or.

Speaker 5 (01:09:56):
Something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:09:57):
But there was a moment where you during these the
a Nissa arguments and not Nonny arguments or maybe the
Ashley went specific where they wake you up out of
bed and everyone's upstairs and you just kind of like
get up, eyes are closed, rubbing your eyes.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
And you just walk through the gym and walk out.

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
Did you actually say anything as you walked through the
commotion and just went back to sleep or what.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Were actually started to fight.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
That's just that's how the fight started between Gabe and
and what's his name, Cedric? Because I think somebody was laughing,
but they were I think Leo seen me and started laughing.
It just I just looked like an old man probably
hunts over, like what do you guys have been doing?
And that's how the fight. That's how the fight. I
didn't say anything. I've seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
I heard the commotion and I was like, man, I'm
going back to bed. Listen. Sleep is your best friend.
And and and Scott, if.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
You could go do a challenge, you would you would
be doing the same exact thing too. You'd be sleeping.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
So there's not That's why I'll be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
That's why people are like, oh, man, don't you hate
long flights. I'm like no, I'm like, yeah, I'm my
best sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
In the world.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Like the only one who does. The only one who
doesn't think that is my wife. By when I go home,
She's like, You've had this whole flight to sleep. Do
not even all that? Yeah, but hey, guys, I'm joining
the club next Tuesday. I turned forty on on Tuesday,
October seventh. So until then, keep doing that impression of
those old geezers. I'm not joining you for another four days.

Speaker 6 (01:11:23):
So all right, that's break listen, that's breaking. Happy birthday, Scott,
and that's break news.

Speaker 5 (01:11:28):
The reason why Gabe.

Speaker 6 (01:11:30):
And Cedric got into the fight is because he walked
through the fight and just walked right out of the commotion.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
They started laughing.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
They find every everything I do, me having a bad
back and being old is amusing to the cast. They
kept calling men and old man. I said, really, the
only tide birds are thick. You need to say your mustache,
it's not happening.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Have you been doing haircuts on this season?

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
So uh, I didn't bring my I didn't bring my
clippers at all. That's why my hair was like really
long or whatever. And I shipped up and I didn't
bring them because I didn't like, couldn't here. I'm tired
of cutting hair on the show. If I ever do
a show again, I'll never bring him back. And so
I didn't bring none to cut my own hair, just
to be fair, CC and everybody was dependent on me, and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
I said no. Felt good to be like no.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
I don't know how many different ways you can saying
in different languages, but it was a definitely no.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
So just to clear it up everyone who's wondering why
CT's hair has been looking pretty crazy this season, that's
the reason why.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Now that was on CT. Because all right, Lee, we'll.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
See you on Sunday, District one forty two. Handful of
tickets left. What a lineup.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Your first time on a full Challenge Mania panel stage.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
I know you want to come by it. You came
in Vegas a couple of years ago, Whack. When we
had first started doing it was more just kind of
a party thing. We've got a packed house District one
forty two, your first time, Zach's first time. We've got Nannie,
who doesn't do these often. She's there guns and blazing,
and she got a new book out. She may have
a new OnlyFans out. You'll get to talk to her
about that. We got Lee Leo coming making his well,

(01:12:56):
I guess he did come to premiere party.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Be help you there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Tiffany Mitchell, who I don't know if you know her,
but Tippany Mitchell is a firecracker and she's gonna be
on Traders soon. She was on Big Brother. We also
have a surprise. Guess who's coming to as well West
and Bergman has to be named here. Mark Longs a
great lineup Challenge Mania dot love for tickets. We'll see
you on Sunday, Lee, but I'll give Derek the last word.

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
Here, No leroy, Thank you very much man enjoy. Nice
to see you, I guess.

Speaker 6 (01:13:19):
On the same side of town and on the challenge
and look forward to working with you as time goes
on here yep, And and being on and being uncomfortable,
you know, living in the in the locker room.

Speaker 5 (01:13:30):
At least I'm not alone now.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Good luck.

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