Ep. 493: Gabe Wai

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
What's up everybody. Scott here recording this after we just
did the whole interview with Gabe. We did the whole
normal intro, all that stuff, because we have some breaking
news that has since been announced, since been developed. Since
we got done recording, wanted to make sure all you
guys listening to this got the news. We have just
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our episode of Challenge Mania featuring new threats standout mister Gabe.

(02:24):
Why what's up, everybody? This is Scott Jeger here with

(02:48):
another edition of Challenge Mania. This episode brought to you
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for that as well. You didn't come for me, you

(03:32):
came for d on the line. Right now, we've got Derek,
but we've also got one of the rookie standouts, one
of the New Threats standouts.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Man.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
This guy embodied the word threat because he was a
threat to everybody, whether they were his partner or not.
He sadly went home last week in the elimination, but
he did go out swinging. We are, of course, very excited,
and I have brought my foam finger with me to
talk to former professional wrestler and NXT prospects mister Gabriel Gabe.

(04:03):
Why how are you doing well?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Doing well? Thank you guys so much for having me.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I would consider myself a
threat to my partners as well.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Oh nice, wait wait, wait, wait to own up to
some stuff. Yeah, I'm excited to let the people uh,
you know, into the mind of of what I feel
like we got. We got a few different you know
faces from from you this this.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Uh this season.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
One of them for me was Michael Myers.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
So when you talk about threats, I watched this guy
follow me up a mountain, and every time I feel
like I felt like I would just have gotten away
from him, he'd poke his head out there like he
was freaking Michael Myers.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Also like you dubbed yourself.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Uh during the interrogation with TJ uh the Freak.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
And then at some point I started calling you the
Freak show.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Uh, And I asked you, like politely, respectfully, can I
call you this because like I still didn't didn't know
you very well. But uh, you know, you had a
lot of drama this season, you know, stemming from even
like you know, at the hotel. You know that that
came into uh the challenge. You were basically public enemy
number one. All your friends, your boys even turn their

(05:28):
back on you. We'll get into that, uh somewhere down
down the line here.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
But obviously me and.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Scott, as you can tell our huge wrestling fans, I
think you'd be you know, nice for people to get
to know who you were behind the curtain, behind the
villain of this Challenge forty one, because you know when
when I when I talk to you in person, you're
definitely not this like big scary villain. Uh yeah, he's not.

(05:55):
But he did do a lot of fucking up this season.
Uh So, uh, without further let's let's get into some
backstory here, Scott.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, I gave first welcome to the program. This technically
your second time on Challenge Mania because you were with
us in New York at the big premiere event here
in New York City. Thanks for flying up to that.
But you know what's funny, it's like we're sort of
you know, there's a lot of Challenge podcasts out there,
We're the one that I think mentions pro wrestling the most,
and so you know, I'm sort of the resident. People

(06:26):
kept dming me. They're like, hey, it says you know
former WWE superstar where you know, and they're looking them up.
They're like, yeah, I can't find They're like, Scott, what
tell me some about his WWE career? And I would
tell these people. I'd be like, hey, I have to
ask him. I don't even know. So we did talk
a little bit about it backstage in New York. But
walk the challenge maniacs through your past as a pro

(06:47):
wrestler or where that started, where that stopped, and how
it then indirectly led to you getting on the challenge.
Because when we watch these reality shows sometimes they do
like to kind of oversimplify people, put them into a
box of like, oh, this is what they are. Okay,
they're from this show or that show. For you, they
decided to say former w W superstar. Obviously your life
did not begin there, So walk us through that and

(07:09):
uh yeah, catch us all up.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
So I do see those I do see those comments
quite often. They're like, oh, he didn't even wrestle, And
I mean what it really stemmed from is I used
to play rugby.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I mean I played a very extensive amount of rugby.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I played pro, played semi pro, played college, and.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Then in college I was one of the like.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Higher draft prospects. So WW actually reached out to me.
The DM me, Hey, would you want to do a
WW tryal And I was.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Like, well, what would this entailed?

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Oh, we'll fly you out and then we'll fly you
to the we'll fight to like whereherever you want to
go next.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
And at that point, I.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Mean, I was a broke college student, so it was
right at Christmas breaks. I was like, oh, this will
play half of my way back home for Christmas, and
so I went signed up for the trio, and I
mean I had a blast.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
It was absolute fun.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
I wasn't necessarily sure if I was gonna get signed,
but I was like, might as well put my heart
into it. Rugby as we know it in the United
States doesn't pay that well. So I was definitely more
excited about a WWE contract than a rugby contract. So
I ended up trying out, got called and they're like, hey,

(08:28):
you got ninety days to move out here.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
We've just signed you.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
So within ninety days, I basically finished up college a
little early.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
And where did you go to school?

Speaker 3 (08:38):
I went to school out in Saint Louis, Saint Louis
Linda Wood University.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
So I finished up college a little early, moved out here.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
And started training, started training at the Performance Center or
correct correct, Yeah, so that's gonna be located in Orlando.
Lots of fun out there, But during my home out there,
I don't think I was I don't think I was
totally used to all the like I wasn't I wasn't

(09:09):
the vision one football player Rugby Small, right, So I
wasn't used to all the like fame and everything like that,
the little amount that you get from being in the
performance center, and so I kind of let my head
get a little bigger and my focus got a little
bit off track. And whether that was me talking to

(09:29):
how many different women behind scenes and them getting annoyed
at me, or just like not being totally focused and
sounds so it feels like I'm gonna hear the difference
is The difference is no. But it was one of
those things of I was making a lot of progress.

(09:53):
I was with my UH two uh like trio at
that time, which was Bronko NMA and Lucien Price. You
can find them on NXT almost every single Tuesday. And
that It's weird because whenever you go into WWE, there's
no like real map. They don't give you a map.

(10:13):
They they just kind of tell you this is what
we want you to do. We want you to train,
and we want you to find the character. Finding the
character is the hardest part of it because they don't
really give you a yes no, if we like it,
if we don't unless it's really bad. Then they'll be like, yeah,
we don't like that character at all. And you have
things called like basically mock matches, which are called PC lives,

(10:34):
which are basically going to kind of be her practice matches.
You go through everything through character and everything like that,
and you do matches with different people. We had those
probably two to three times a week, and within your
first like two months, then you start getting put into those.
So I started having those, and I was kind of
stemming from the Indonesian Warrior. So I spent about four

(10:56):
and a half years in Indonesia and I'm fluent in
the language, and so they're like, well, we have never
had an Indonesian like representative in WWE, so let's go
with that.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
It's very hard to be a baby face is a
big guy, very very hard.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
You have to sell a lot more uh, And so
that's kind of where I was a little bit struggling
is in that. And then you start getting put into
backstages and everything like that. There was a backstage with
von Wagner when he was with them. There's backstage with
Ikeaman Diiro and when he was with them, Apaullo Cruise

(11:31):
we had a couple of backstage with him, Like there's
you get put into backstages, but you're not if they
don't want if they don't want your storyline to be
ready or anything like that, Uh, they just won't push it.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
And all these backstages are the are these on NXC
are these like still there? So they are okay. So
when you say a backstage, you're kind of like, uh,
an extra or sort of like playing like a security
role or something, or like whenever they need added support
to make it look like, you know, someone has a
bigger possible than they really have or whatever, or that

(12:01):
there's like you know whatever, medical attention. That's the sort
of stuff you're doing until they're ready to actually have
you out there as the I guess, so right here
the British bulldog, you would have been the Indonesian warrior,
I guess. But but so okay, so you're doing this,
you're kind of you know, I guess at this point
we would call this like a cup of coffee in
the bigs in NXT, which is you know, an extension

(12:23):
of WW. So, so you're doing all this and you
are to use a challenge tie in at this point
you are a new threat, right, So even in NXT,
there's people who have been in NXT for you know,
going on three four, five years. Some of these people
have been down there for that long. You come in
fresh off the rugby pitch is it pitch rugby field?

(12:43):
And I just want to know also how much of
a wrestling fan were you, because I think what's interesting
is like it used to be very infrequently did people
stumble into wrestling without knowing anything about it unless you
were saying, like a bodybuilder at the gym and someone
came up to you in the eighties or you were
like a bouncer or something like that. But in the
last like ten years, WWE has made it a point
to really scout, you know, whether it's rugby or football

(13:07):
or track or whatever, college athletes, whether they're still in
college or on the way out, and really groom them
and turn them into wrestlers, whether they've seen a lick
of it or not. So I'd love to know, like
one to ten, what kind of a wrestling fan were
you at the time when they grabbed you.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Oh, probably like a three or four.

Speaker 6 (13:31):
I like new people of like Ray the Stereo, John Cena,
the Rock Kofee Kingston, like I watched it with my
neighborhood friends, like back when I was ten, eleven, twelve.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
But then since then I had not watched it.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
I mean you would see things maybe on Bleacher Report
or something like that, something big that happens I knew of,
Like the USO Brothers.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I thought that they were really cool.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
I mean they cut some of the best proms realistically
and all of wrestling.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
As of right now. So it's those people stood out
to me.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
But it wasn't like I didn't know like the brat
Harts or anything like that, like the real, down to
down to actual like wrestling history people.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Because I'm asking this because I want to see if
it plays into you know, your success down there or
how that all played out. But also I want to
come back to it later when we talk Challenge and
when we talk people like CT and Derek and mainly
John Ah and how much you knew about say her
and or Ana or whomever. But okay, so go on,
so you're doing the backstages, you're getting the reps in there.

(14:36):
Go on. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
So I actually I kind of had a fallout with
one of my good friends down there.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
His name is Josh Briggs. I don't care for the
guy at all.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
He's wrestling Matt Cardona this week, I believe, Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
I hope not Cardonah absolutely slams him in the ground.

Speaker 7 (14:55):
But uh yeah no.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
So I at that point in time, I was I
was kind of just figuring out my way down there,
and I just I just don't I don't know if
I knew who Gabe was, and I feel like I
was kind of losing myself as I was in there.
I think I kind of jumped the gun a little.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Bit too early. Mind you.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
This is when I was like, I was think, I'm
gonna go be a police officer, uh, and go and
go back home and start a family.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
And all this different type of stuff. So I was like, well,
I wanted to do professional sports.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
I'm gonna do this. And then I mean I just
got kind of put on the back burner. And they're
put on the back burner too long.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Then they're just kind of like, we don't really need
you anymore because.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
New classes come in every three months, right, So they're
looking for their it guy.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
And so they tried a couple of different people, and
I think the it guy was going to be if
you know who obafemed Me is. I think they were
trying to put us into that role. So there was me,
there was my buddy of Boule, and then there Oh.
But it was very very good. I'm very proud of him.
But I think they were trying to find who that
was going to be. And so it's very similar to

(16:10):
kind of like your first season of The Challenge, Right,
You're gonna go on there and they're gonna kind of
see who sticks and then who doesn't during that time
and during kind of my end time though I started,
there was a there was a couple of shows that
were hitting me up to go and do shows, and
I was asking them, well, can I do this?

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Can I do that? They were denying me, denying me,
and this w.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
W w W is telling you you can't go and
do these kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, And then so then I I actually get hit
up by a bear Grills show. It was gonna be
like a competition kind of in the wilderness, and the
production company was b MP, and so I asked him,
I said, hey, can I do this? And they were
like no, but we are going to trademark your name.

(16:58):
So they trademarked my name. Trade trademarking your name means
that you can't do anything if you get released. A
week later, I was released from WWE.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
And well, and so just to clarify, now, they didn't
trademark Gabe. Why they didn't trademark Gabriel? Why they trademark?
What was your nx T name? They trademarked Eca Brown
Ica Brown. For those of you guys, you know, that is
the most NXT name I've ever heard in my life.

Speaker 8 (17:23):
Yeah, that's supposed to be like an extension of Dlo Brown,
Like they're gonna make him be be Delo Brown's Indonesian
Indonesian brother, and then bringing dl O Brown have you.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Guys, Well, I don't know about that, but Eca is
what does Eca is an Indonesian word?

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Eka is like, yeah, it's like fresh beginning, fresh, fresh warrior.
And then Brown. They wanted to use my like my
background of being an American.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
So no, I think they think that like one interesting
name if you notice, like it's always like you know,
sometimes they they like to have like interesting word name
and then and then like they're like but now that,
but we can't give them two. We can't give him
like an interesting guy. It's gotta be let's go Simp
brown Smith, you know, Jenkins. You know. So that's why
if you go and you look at like some of
these uh. And then they also like to do a

(18:12):
combo names where they like combine two famous people that
are like the people like I always used to think
Apollo Cruise was a cross between Apollo Creed and Terry Crews.
Like I think they that's what they came up with.
And now they have this new woman who's Blake Monroe
and it's like Blake Lively and Marilyn Monroe. They're like, okay,
let's just that's how they come They have like a
n X ten name machine. But anyway, go on. So

(18:33):
they trademark that and you now are forced to go
out back into the real world with your real name,
which is what normal people do.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, which is fine.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
It's just like with that kind of timeline, and I
wasn't able to call them back and be like, hey,
can I do that? Can I go back onto the show?
It wasn't gonna It just wasn't gonna work. And so
I kind of go back and I was like, okay,
well what's next for me? So then I go and
do a try out for professor.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
He's getting he's getting blurry and uh and uh kind
of choppy here, oh just lost.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
All right, Yeah, well I'm sure we'll get him back
in a minute. There. I'm just I'm just trying to
fill in some of the gaps for some of the
novice wrestling fins who might be watching or listening, because
is it doesn't this sound doesn't this sound very familiar?

Speaker 5 (19:22):
I mean, like I mean, to my life.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
I mean, it sounds like there's a parallel to him
he did to exactly what happened on the challenge.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
My point is, like these companies that treat you guys
like no, sure, no offense. You know you guys are
you guys are things that they would love to use
to the best of their ability and as much as
they can kind of build you up where it works
out for them great. But you call them up heay,
is cool if I do this other show? Oh no, no, no, no,
you know. And so so there's a little bit of
that with the w W two and like you know,

(19:51):
you would think, okay, WWE doesn't want you going to
TNA or will be a bad example now, but doesn't
want you to go to a w whatever. But you
would also think, like, w isn't it cool if like
someone from their NXT level is going on bear Grills,
like I would think from Afar that would be like, yeah,
go do that, Like you're still we haven't even put
you on raw yet, Go do that, And then it's

(20:11):
maybe it's even cooler that you're on our show. No,
it's the opposite, same thing with the challenge. They don't
love having you on other shows. Oh he's back, can
you hear us?

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, sorry, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
While you were gone, we were just talking about how
oddly similar it sounds like the relationship with your employer
with ww NXT as far as being able to do
other things, sounds like the reality star experience too. Not
limited to the challenge in BMP, but any reality show.
They often will stand in the way of you doing
other opportunities and other shows as well. So we were

(20:43):
talking about how that's oddly similar. But so so they
do release you. They don't release you in time to
be able to do the Bear Grills show, but you
do have that contact with BMP. You have like a
contact in your phone. How does so I hear BMP?
I think, Okay, now we're getting to the challenge, how
does this lead to you showing up on that's and
New Threats Because I think there's a couple of key
people here that are fun to mention, I believe right.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
So yes, So during the time that I was with WWE,
I had actually been a fan.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Of the Challenge. I've been with a fan of the
Challenge for.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Me maybe probably four years prior to that. So I
knew people and uh Mark Long, who's good friends with
Grayson Waller who was on NXT.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
At that time. I remember the first.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Time that because there would be times when we go
back for uh like Tuesday filming and there would be
different people. I mean, one time, I think Logan Paul
has been back there. There was a time when the
Mis was back there. I met the Miz. The Mis
kind of just like waved me off. And then but
then I remember I met Mark. Mark was the nicest

(21:54):
guy like he was. I was like, oh, I'm a
huge fan of the challenge everything like that, and me
and Mark kind of became friends through that. And Mark
loves wrestling. You guys know Mark Mark. You know Mark
loves wrestling, and so he would always uh just tige
us in different things, and slowly over time we became closer,

(22:18):
and rumor has it that Mark threw my name in
to be on the Challenge. He has not confirmed or
denied this to me, but you guys know Mark, I mean,
he's a very nice guy and if he sees promising somebody, uh,
he will he will put somebody's name out there.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
And so with kind of b MP already having my name.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
And then Mark also saying my name out there as well,
two years later, I get a call.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I get a call from our casting director and.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Say, hey, I got your name from a couple of
different people and was just wondering if you want to
be on the Challenge. And I still remember to this
day like shaking, because the Challenge was the one.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Thing I was like, if WWE does not let me go,
I will ask for my release.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
It was just one of those I mean, at the
same time Survivor was calling me.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
It was weird, Like I was.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
I was completely fine, just kind of being myself and
working and doing everything like that, and.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Then three different shows I started pending for three different shows.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Let me ask you this. Okay, so there's a step
we're missing here. And maybe I'm wrong and maybe these
people are maybe just have like your Instagram is just
on fleek or whatever, but so whatever the kids say. Uh,
but like all these shows are calling you Bear Grills,
Survivor the Challenge, Like were you so obviously the you know,
I know WWE has their eyes on you know, athletics
and probably found you on the rugby pitch. But had

(23:49):
you been putting your name out there for reality TV?
Why did so many reality shows seem to call you?
Did you have like an agent or a manager or
what made you feel so available and like such a
hot reality prospect because there's millions of people that would
love to be on reality TV that make tapes and
try and don't know what to do, and it feels
like it was just you know, flooding in for you.
So was there any was there a step there we're missing?

(24:10):
Did you? You know, even before the Challenge per se?
But like, you know, how are these people getting your
contact info?

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:17):
So they're definitely Like my first year kind of released
from ww always I was like I need to be something,
I need to be something, and so I was I
was putting my name out there for like a lot
of different shows and nearious ones were okay, you'd make
it to the second stage, or you would you would

(24:37):
get a call, and then they wouldn't really go past that.
I got a lot of nos, like probably realistically I
probably got over twenty no's.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
From different shows.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
And then in that year though, like the year of
when the challenge kind of called me, it was when
I kind of had stopped and I was like, you
know what, I went for a CFL tryout and and
I got the contract like details, and I was like,
you know what, that just doesn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
And it was kind of then where I was like, you.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Know what, I'm okay, Gabe being Gabe, Like I don't
need to be a big name or anything like that.
I'll just be gag. And so then I just kind
of went back into sales and they just embraced sales
and I kind of just went from there. And then
it was at the point where I was completely comfortable
with myself. That was when then we started opportunities kind

(25:29):
of came up. And I almost want to say that
might have been just that, you know, God's timing and
kind of the perfect timing for that time, because I
don't think had I been like a like a year
ago or two years ago, I don't think I would have.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Been ready mentally.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
For any any show, to be honest with you, and
I think I had to have that year just kind
of becoming who I was as me, because it's.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Rare you are truly fresh meat like that. It is
rare that they actually take somebody who has never been
on at least a reality show like and Look, it
can be anything. It can be like you know twelve,
you know, Santa's on this block, or whatever it was
that Corey lay was on. It can be America's Got Talent.
It could be something. But they usually like to have
one reality credit to your name, and with the rare

(26:16):
exception of sometimes occasionally they will take someone, You're not
the first person they've taken from the world of wrestling.
I don't know if you know about Leo Rush when
he was like, oh by WWE. He played on Double
Agents and you know, so it's interesting because you should
be very flattered that they were able to see what
they saw within you solely based on whatever casting interviews

(26:38):
and stages you did and the fact that hey, we
can say former ww superstar on there. Maybe that that
works as a credit, But how much did you think
they cared about that aspect of it? Like how much
was it you finding out who Gabe was? Obviously you
mentioned sales. You can't be good at sales without being
good at selling yourself and being able to talk to
people and stuff like that. But how much do you
think they liked the idea of you being a former

(26:58):
WWE superstar because obviously that's the label they put on you.
That's what's confusing all the marks who can't find a
match of you on YouTube and everything like that, But like, what,
like how much did you find them going back to
that part of your story and how much did you
know that was gonna be kind of your your lower
third when you were described on the show.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
I knew that was going to be kind of my
go to because there's not really anything else you can
really pull. I mean, you could throw. It's very rare
they pulled like professional athlete. I guess Lolo Jones would
be an exception right there, But she's also an Olympic
athlete and.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
She had done she had done Celebrity Big Brother actually
before the challenge, so technically you could say that even too,
you know, she had proven that she was a psycho,
I'm sorry, a good, good reality TV person.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
But I think, honestly, I do think that it came
from people vouching for me. I think it really came
from the interviews that I had done with B and P.
And then I'm almost all casting directors they also do talk,
So I'm sure it did come from kind of my
like unique story, adopted, grew up in a different country,

(28:06):
speaks multiple different languages. Like I'm sure those are things
that kind of did play into that, but I'm it
is one of those things. I like, I was like, like, huh,
like I like, I was trying to get onto a
reality TV show so I could.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Do the challenge.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
That is like the sole reason why I was reaching
out to different things, because I was like, I want
to do the challenge, but I need to go onto
a reality TV show. So when that call came, I
was like, Uh, is this actually real?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Go ahead?

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (28:38):
What languages do you speak? Multiple different languages?

Speaker 7 (28:42):
Speak?

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I speak English, I speak Spanish, and then I speak
I'm very fluent in Indonesian, and then there's a couple
like village languages in Indonesia that I can also speak
as well.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
Oh, that's that's dope. That's that's like me.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
I speak Polish, but I can also speak it in
a different dialect where the Polish people from the mountains
they speak with this like twang and proper speaking Polish
people don't understand it. And I just kind of grew
up with that my grandma and my mom's side of
the family.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
What do you what do you like?

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Oh the downfall to your like ww experience? Like was
it like the character development? Was it like like or
was because you're a freak athlete? Like like legitimately we're
gonna get into why you You told TJ that one
of the three ways to describe yourself was a freak,
And I think that kind of stems back from like

(29:32):
the way you grew up. And I think a lot
of times during casting and when people are casting for
probably even Survivor, like, they dive deep into like how
we grew up and uh, you know, the ins and
out to that. And you have a very interesting story
similar to like John A's where you guys are both
I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, both come from
adopted families, right, and you have a very like interesting upbringing.

(29:55):
Can you just kind of like touch us on that
because I think I think one of the most interesting
story I've I've heard from you this season, aside from
like some of the problematic areas you know, nayah every
most of the dudes in the house at the beginning
of the season, stemming from what happened at the hotel,

(30:15):
john A, like you have all you have these like
you know, to too many you know, negative things to
talk about. I want to talk about like some of
that upbringing that was that was very interesting that I
think people will will we'll kind of see a different
side to you and maybe get a get an idea
of like why why you do some of the things

(30:38):
you do when situations right? Sorry, sorry, go ahead what
you say?

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah no, I was just saying, like the situations where
they come from. Uh yeah, I mean so I was
adopted from Guatemala and I.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
They were born in Guatemala. Were you born in Guatemala?

Speaker 3 (30:57):
I was born in Guatemala adopted into a Chinese home. Uh,
and me and Johnny are very similar with the fact
that we don't really talk to our adoptive parents anymore.
That's that that is a big one. I would say
my parents only. I mean, my parents don't even know.
I think I'm on the challenge. They might, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
I don't talk to them.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
There.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
These are your Chinese parents, correct, Yeah, that you grew up,
that took care of you in Guatemala.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
No, so they So I was when I was adopted
and moved to Oregon, and then I grew up in
Oregon for most of my life until I moved to Indonesia.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
In a Chinese speaking home. In a Chinese speaking home.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
So, my dad he speaks Cantonese, and then he also
speaks English, so over time his English got better, and
then now he just speaks English like Cantonese.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Cantonese is that the native language for uh in Indonesia
or Chinese? Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm ignorant.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
You good?

Speaker 3 (32:00):
So Cantonese is it's like it's kind of like a
dialect in China. So there's there's multiple that you can
either speak Mandarin or Cantonese. And my dad is from
Hong Kong, so Cantonese was like the main front runner.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Okay, nice, nice, nice Okay, And then you guys, you
guys both moved to you guys moved to Oregon for
how long?

Speaker 3 (32:22):
So I was there for about twelve years, and then
I moved to Indonesia. And then at that point in time,
like my senior year, my parents were kind of done
with me, so they sent me to a boys home
actually for my senior year, so I was completely removed
from sports everything like that.

Speaker 9 (32:39):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
And then I went into college straight out of like
basically being not locked up, but I was.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
I was not. I was. I didn't have any freedom
in there.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
So I went into college from there, and then I
transferred to another college.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Just out of curiosity because I do have a teenager
that's a you're going to be a senior next year.
When when they put you in this like boys home
terrible weird reference. But is it because like you, like
they couldn't control you, you were acting out, You're having
like it like were you fucking up?

Speaker 5 (33:18):
Basically?

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Is that why they sent you to boys home or
boarding school or whatever. It's called military school.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Basically it's like a military school. It's like a boys
home military school. Anything that you want to say above,
but it is. My parents are very strict. They're very
very strict. Like I couldn't talk to any girls in
high school, I cann't have like a certain amount of
friends on Facebook.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
If sure game, blame it on that, blame it on that.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
No, no, no, no, this is.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
This is.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
And so like they, I mean, there was times when
I would like go and try to ask the girl
to dance, like to a dance, and they would be like, no,
we can't because your parents are so strict. Like my
dad would go in behind my life message my Facebook messages.
I was messaging about homework or something like that, but

(34:20):
like they can't talk about that.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Like they were very very very.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Controlling and growing up, I also, unfortunately dealt with a
lot of death. My best friend my junior year of
high school I committed suicide and I was like one
of the last people to spend time with him. And
so I think that really changed my whole chemistry because

(34:47):
from there on out, I mean, I probably had a
close friend kind of die multiple different times. The only
reason I'm bringing this up is because it plays into
why I don't really let people in.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
And I like to kind of shut off.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Because if I don't have feelings for somebody, then it's
okay when they leave. And so that's something I've kind
of noticed about myself is that I've had to do
so much therapy and like work on myself just because
of how I was brought up, the.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Things I experienced.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
And I think you get to a certain point in
your life where you're like, oh, like I'm actually like
I'm kind of a normal human being now, and then
something else comes down the like the pipeline, and you're like, damn,
I'm still messing up. And I think that's the hardest
part about it is like I watch it back, and

(35:38):
I mean, Derek, you know, I'm a very emotional guy,
and like watching it back, I mean you get teary
eyed because you're like, I did so much work on myself,
I'm still messing up to this point where like I'm
still being a negative I guess aspect in somebody's life.
So it's always fun to watch and it is hard

(35:58):
to see you grow from it.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Yeah, no, you know, and I do think that casting
kind of looks for you know, these types of people,
so like where you're kind of in a cycle of
fucking up. You know, like trust me, we're we're we're
talking to similar people here. Okay, not completely the same,
but like I think it's you know when.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
When you.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Know, Scott knows what you had a producer on, and
they look for damaged people, and you know, with these
you know where we we kind of have to you know, survive,
you know, because of the drama that that surrounds us,
not so much because you know, we bring it upon
ourselves just because it fucking happens, you know. I one
of the things I used to say is when I
was getting cast, uh for the show, I was like,

(36:41):
I don't know, I used to say, trouble follows me
and drama surrounds me. And this isn't something that like
I thought of when I was getting when I was
going through casting. It's just something that was a part
of my life. And that's why I I think it's
important for when people, uh you know talk about you,

(37:05):
or when people when we when we post something about you,
and before they decide to say all the you know,
terrible things about you, they understand like that we're real people,
we have real problems, and like where you came from,
you know kind of maybe caused you to make some
of these decisions or have a hard time with these people.
But you can reflect and be.

Speaker 5 (37:24):
Like and and and and gab.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Johnny has taken this little slogan that I've given him
when he was fucking up back in the day, and
I said, the beauty of being on television is you
get to watch yourself on TV and keep what you
like and throw away what you don't like. And that
that is truly the beauty of like being able to

(37:48):
watch yourself because a lot of people they don't get
to go and and and and and watch that, you know,
watch how you interact with people and say, damn, you
know what, I really am an asshole and I can
see that, and I need to get rid of that
because now millions of people are watching me, and I

(38:10):
am going to get fucking careamed for the rest of
my life if I don't make some adjustments. So I
just want to say thank you for opening up about that.
I think I have more questions, but we can we
can move on.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
We can move on to the to the challenge.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
And you know what like when you when you when
you got you know, finally got got the call, what
was your like preparation like going to the two chances?
Like I said, we know you're you're a freak athlete,
but like did you watch more seasons, because once we
get to the hotel here, you start fucking up more

(38:49):
like like you start making phone calls, uh to people
on the floor that you just met. You're probably it
sounds like you're kind of like wheeling and dealing kind
of trying to get people on the same page. And
it's just way too early to start the game before
you actually know the game. Can you can you can
you walk us through like you know, just kind of

(39:12):
going you know, the month, going into the challenge and
then getting to the hotel and starting to play the challenge.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Yeah, I think so anybody who watches the challenge, right,
they get they get they're absolutely excited to be there,
and it's kind of rare you have somebody who again,
like I mean kind of how you guys were saying,
like who has.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
A got a reality TV show before? Right?

Speaker 3 (39:34):
And so you almost want to in your mind, You're like,
I want to play a perfect game, and a perfect
game becomes in to be one of the messiest games ever.
And so I remember me and Ben had both came
from basically no reality TV experience, So me and Ben
were kind of clinging to each other.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
And so that's where the phone calls stem.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
From is Me and Ben were talking and and he'd
be like, Oh, we need to call this person, we
need to call that person, and and so then we
started talking about, Okay, how are we going to proceed
with this season now, me knowing I'm not gonna play
no game until I know something is set in front

(40:17):
of me. But it was one of those things of
kind of being a little bit too eager and jumping
ahead of that. Training wise, I was doing like two
days running in the morning and then working out in
another cardio session at night. I definitely was watching a
lot of seasons as well. I was trying to study

(40:39):
all the big guys, because I know the big guys
kind of get a little bit guns for just because
you are a little bit of an easy target just
walking into the house. There was never a season where
CT just got to kind of go underneath the radar.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
He was always in somebody's back of their mind. Kells
was somebody that got out quickly.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Corey is always somebody that kind of got done for Zach,
anybody like that. I mean, there's always people that they
kind of done for Lee Roy to a certain extent,
but it is one of those things of like, Okay,
I do have to kind of watch my back because
I will.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Corey uh.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Corey Lay is another good example as well, you got
to kind of watch your back. So I was trying
to like figure out how to do that and then
also started playing the game too much.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
What's your size? What's your size again?

Speaker 3 (41:31):
I'm six five sixty six depending on the day, and
then like two hundred and seventy pounds.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Do you think that's that's absolutely massive? Do you think
there's anyone that can give you a chance in a Hallborough?

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Do you?

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Or do you think that who's who's who's gonna give
give you a run for your money in a hall Brough?

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Oh? I think yeah. CT would would like Betsy would Theo.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
THEO would if if his need, if his need doesn't
give out, all those guy like most of the big
guys zact like I would. I would say, most of
the big guys, it's just gonna be like hopells are
not fun from.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
What I hear.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
So, I mean it's just the fans on your footing
and everything like that.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
You know you so all right, so so you so
when you get so when you're making these phone calls
in the hotel. Are you guys, are you making like
promises to people? Are you making people make promises to you?
Because pretty soon here once you enter the house, like
all of your quote unquote boys, I'm talking everybody, uh uh, Jake, Leo, uh,

(42:51):
all the all the new threats, they're all pissed off
at you for whatever the fuck you did in the
hotel and and lied to them about.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
I would say so some of it came from some
of them came from like day one took like that.
I would say, like me, Drake and Leo were not
close in the hotel. I never those are people I'd
never rang.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
I thought I thought.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
They hated me, okay, but then uh, I think I
was just like me and Ben were just strategizing. And
Ben writes down a lot of different things, and so
I was like trying to be like that. I thought
I was cool with everybody. I was not cool with everybody.
I thought I was cool with everybody, and so and

(43:39):
I think I would just be like, oh, Ben is
I would tell Will be like, uh, some of the
guys don't trust you, and then it would get spread
to all the guys don't trust you, And it was.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
Really fuck the Will fight, the Will fight, the early
Will fight that that wasn't shown.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
I'm sure he'll be okay. So so yeah, so you
want to go to the Will Will fight when he
gets back.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Well, so, so he's got he's got the the Ben.
Like the first time one of the first times I
seen him cry was was.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
During the Ben vote.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
It was between Ben and near me I think in
the voting box, and he promised both of them, uh
that he wasn't gonna vote for him. Then eventually votes
I think maybe for Ben to go in and and
and they have this like big crying scene and then
the Will fight and then the Naya. So we can
I mean, that's that's three right off the bat here.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah. So, so Darren wants to roll through some of
the some of the incidents and moments from the beginning
of the season.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Go ahead, all right, So there was some unaired stuff,
specifically the the Will fight, the Will argument, uh and
and and I remember watching like walking in on this
and and Will is basically saying, uh, you're you're fake or.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
Something like that. I think, So, yeah, that's what I
walked in on.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
It was like he was calling you fake or two
faced or a flip flop, something along those.

Speaker 7 (45:17):
I was flip flop because I was flopping right right.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
And then and then also and then we had I
remember the first one of the first big cries. I
walked in on on you and and and Ben, I think,
like holding like hugging each other, crying, crying, like crying,
is that my wrong?

Speaker 5 (45:37):
I wrong?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
If that happened, I kind of I don't remember that,
but it sounds about.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
Voted for Ben, I know, because you you made promises
I think to not vote Ben or Jerremian and correct
me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
And then I guess you voted Ben to go in. Yeah,
I'm who was your partner?

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Who is your partner during that vote? Who pushed you
into making this ruthless decision.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
That was Lex? Lex had made Lex.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
I mean, obviously now we see that they had an alliance,
but she was basically like she was standing ten toes
down on that, And then I was trying to stand
ten toes down on because me and JEERREMI had just
had a ME and Jeremy like we had an agreement
that we wouldn't gun for each other because Jeremy was
another person that I like, kind of spoke to in
the hotel and so, and me and him were close

(46:32):
because on the flight over, me and him were chatting
the whole.

Speaker 7 (46:34):
Time basically too and so.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
But then I was like, oh, yeah, like we will
like I won't, I won't go for you, and he
wanted to know that I had his back so he
wouldn't put me in as well, and so I was like, yeah,
I got your back.

Speaker 7 (46:52):
And so I think in that time the.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Only thing that you guys don't really see is then
me and Jake had a little bit of a suspicion
that he was playing behind her back because he would
get up at like two o'clock, three o'clock in the
morning and go outside and talk to people, and we'd
be like, what are you talking about? And it was
because Ben would make it seem like he was playing
with us when he was really playing with the other side.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
And so.

Speaker 7 (47:20):
We kind of start catching wind.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
To that, and I didn't want to say his name,
but in the back of my mind, I was like, well,
yearm me has at least been up honest with me.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I was like, I'm not going to say.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
His name, but I'm not going like I'm not gonna
be the one that says, I'm going to vote for Ben.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
But but but this was, like, I think, like a
prime example of you, like like talking about not letting
people in. It seems like like you and Ben were like,
I mean, it seems like you guys got close in
one way or because the way you you you two
were crying, the way you were crying, And it wasn't
even like you that put him in. It was just

(47:57):
like you that couldn't you know, you're you're you're stuck
between you know.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
A rock in a hard, hard place.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Is that how you saying yeah, and and and and
and you had a partner attached to you, and she
was riding harder for the other, for Jearremy. But like
the way you you're crying, the way you guys cried,
like the I was like, damn, that's fucking That's probably
why you don't like get close to people, is because

(48:25):
when they go away like he did, yeah, fucking it
hurts you. It hurts It hurts more than maybe the
average person that's playing a game show.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Yeah, I think, I mean Ben was my bunk mate, right,
So that's the late conversations, the the funny laughs, the
that's like the real I would say, that's like more
who you guys are as people.

Speaker 7 (48:49):
I think Derek you can kind of relate to.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
That is like your.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Bunk mates are kind of like when you kind of
put that facade down, or if you are holding a facade,
then it kind of just goes down with your with
your roommates because you guys, you guys talk about non
game show stuff, right, you guys are talking about real life,
and that's kind of I think how you get close
to them and you don't realize that, like it's still

(49:13):
a game and you kind of want to keep that
at bay And yeah, that's I think where I made
a mistake there as I got really close to him
and then I had to make a really hard decision
that I was not anticipating.

Speaker 7 (49:25):
I was really bad at anticipating things.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Very bad.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Let's spice this up over here. We got a couple
of writing questions challengemaniacs dot com. While we're talking, you know,
earlier portions of the season and whatnot. Racking your brain here.
This is a question from Brian. Brian wants to know, Gabe,
did you and Ashley have a romantic thing going on
in the house or were you simply just throwing her
around a lot in scenes on the dance floor of
the club this season?

Speaker 5 (49:49):
Good questioning.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
I would say me and Ashley had a very fun
uh dynamic in the sense of like if you're asking
me if I found her attractive, Yeah, I find I
find actually attractive.

Speaker 7 (50:08):
I think it was.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Very much like we're here, we're in a house, we
are kind of not bored, but I mean we want
also a little bit of excitement, and Ashley was definitely
one of those people that I mean made me happy,
and so we had fun. And when there was a
little bit of drink flowing, we had fun.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
All right. So it wasn't just dancing. I think Brian
wants to know. I did not stop dancing. There was
there was There was prancing and romancing in addition.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
I mean I would say it probably was only at
the club, Like it wasn't It wasn't it's.

Speaker 7 (50:44):
Not that serious.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
It wasn't like didn't go to Nanni and and will level.

Speaker 7 (50:49):
No, no, no, no, not even close.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
It was very I will say this, It was very
like when we're at the club, we had fun, but
like back in the house, uh, like she's she's a
homie and it wasn't like there was not a line
that was really stepped over past like the club.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
So no, no, no, no, no kissing, no, no, no
making out. We can't put you to on the list
of kissing cousins in the realm of Challenge history.

Speaker 7 (51:18):
So kissing cousins is crazy.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (51:25):
I don't, I don't, I don't think so not really No.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Well what about what about not? Just Ashley Paul wants
to know, did you hook up with anyone on the show?

Speaker 7 (51:37):
I mean there was romantic connections I hook up. No,
there was no hookup.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
What were some of these romantic connections?

Speaker 3 (51:45):
There was like like at the beginning of the season,
me and Adrianne were like getting to know each other
and then I started lying and then she was like, yeah,
completely off of him, which is totally fair.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah, but women, women, I've I've learned women do not
like lying at all.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
No, not, no, there was there was definitely like I
definitely expressed the fact that I was like, yeah, you're
you're very attractive, but I don't think Adriana is very
much like you get one chance and if you like
mess that up, you are not coming back from that.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
And I mean that's fair.

Speaker 7 (52:20):
I mean, I I definitely was.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Very messy and I would probably want to face myself
away from myself as well.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
So but yeah, that was that was basically it.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
I mean it was It's very like You're in a
house with a lot of attractive women and I'm single
and I'm twenty six years old.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Was this now let me now, now let's go, let's
start to do some parallels. Was this similar to your
time down at the Performance Center as far as like
getting thrust into a world where there's, like you said,
there's women, there's other men. It's sort of like this
new now you're in high school all over again, et cetera.
Like the social dynamic, and you mentioned maybe not navigating
those walls the PC as well as you have could

(53:01):
of was it? Was it similar kind of getting reacclimated
to all these young attractive people varying degrees of interest.
But then there's also lying is part of the game,
but also probably not the best thing to mention on
your first date. Things like that.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Uh So I would say in some way yes, but
in another way no. So like when I was in
the PC, I was very immature, and like I was
just kind of stupid, and I would like probably DM
anybody in there, everybody, right, But.

Speaker 7 (53:32):
Like in the in the house, it was more just like.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
You have a day, you're getting to know people, and
you're getting to know people more organically.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Well, you can't you can't DM. That's that's a lot
of a lot of the older generation. The thought is
that this younger generation of you know whatever it is
gen Z and below, they don't know what it's like
to just go up to a woman in the bar,
or go up to a guy in the bar and
have to talk to them or like convey them to
dance with you. Now, it's just sliding into the DMS,

(54:03):
if you will, And that takes away a lot of it.
But the challenge takes away the phones, takes away the DMS.
You're kind of set back to nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 7 (54:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Yeah, I think it's I'm a huge sucker for like
just a good conversation, and so I think once I
started getting calmed down from the game, like you would
just have genuine conversations with people and you'd be like, damn,
like these people have really cool stories. And then you're
also I mean, you're in a house full of people
with that. The only thing that really you can do

(54:33):
the pastime is work out talk Like me and Derek
would work out a lot and we'd be chatting and
so like it's just you naturally are drawn to people
just because I mean, you're getting to know them, and
they most everybody on the show are great, amazing people,
and they have crazy stories and it's always fun to
kind of hear that.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Let me ask your perspective as a rookie in the game. Okay,
we got these We got D's perspective yesterday when we
did our episode breakdown podcast. After that, we sort of
started talking about some of the stuff that came up
on Johnny's show with Nannie and Will and Anissa and
things like that, and Derek was kind of speaking to
the code of like, you know, cast member code from
you know, this guy's been on fifteen seasons. But I
just want to know, as a rookie, young attractive man

(55:15):
coming into the game, how you feel about, like, you know,
quote unquote calling dibbs on someone, whether or not, Like,
where's the line where you would feel bad. Let's say,
after you got home from the show hooking up with
someone on the show that maybe had a relationship with
someone on the show, Like how long does their relationship
have to last on the show, and how long do

(55:35):
you have to wait before, let's say one of these
women who was maybe canoodling with someone earlier in the season,
she slides into your DM or vice versa. That's all
above board and not a violation of the Unofficial Challenger
Code of Conduct.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
So I would say it depends on the person, to
be honest with you, it depends on who they were
messing with, if they're messing with Jake or Leo. Uh, realistically,
probably not damning them back. I mean, I'll keep it,
I'll keep it friendly.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
But those what about Will?

Speaker 1 (56:10):
So that's because that's because those are your boys, not
because it's like not because like now I don't know
what they have not that Okay, Okay, correct, God, okay,
Now what about Will? Now? Where's Will?

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (56:21):
If it was Will, I still think that it's messy,
Like that's just that that does get to a certain
extent of messiness that I don't know if I really
want to put my hands into, especially now, like knowing now,
I would probably honestly, I would probably want somebody that

(56:44):
wasn't on my season.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Unfortunately, like I would do if they had dated a
previous challenger, I don't think I would care.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Like, well, like, let's say, hold on, yeah, that's what. Yeah,
that's a good analogy.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
Let's say what to call it?

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Hypothetically, you and Nanny are are you know, the season's over,
whether you guys just finished the whole season or were
eliminade whatever, and you guys are off and you know
whatever some sort of foreign country, you know, throwing him
back and whatnot. Nanny puts the moves on you. Are
you going, man, no, that's this is Will's girl?

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Or are you going?

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Hey? Was it Will with d earlier in the season? Wait?

Speaker 2 (57:21):
What do you ah?

Speaker 3 (57:26):
I want to say, Yeah, I mean it depends on
how it depends on how many, how many drinks we've had?

Speaker 1 (57:34):
How many d.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
He said?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
He? I mean, that's that's a hard one.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Very he's very very persuasive. She's very persuasive as can
be tequila, you know. So look he's being honest. I
love honest Gabe. Over here you've heard of honest Abe.
This is honest Gabe. I love it.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
I love it. Ye give you some more a hypotheticals.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Okay, Well, well here, I want to walk down this
rod because we got about fifteen minutes left the game.
So people do want to get kind of now that
now that the show and the season is behind you.
I love we've gotten so much of your backstory, you know,
your family life, your upbringing, so much that I think
now people can go back and watch some of the
stuff through that lens and maybe, you know, think of
you a little differently. But Sarah wants to know, when
you look back on this, what was your favorite part

(58:23):
about being on the challenge and what is your biggest regret.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
So my big my favorite part.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Of being on the Challenge was honestly walking in and
seeing TJ. That was I mean, that was it was surreal.
I mean I was shaking. I don't think anybody can
really see it, but I was literally shaking so much.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
But I would say my biggest regret is.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
I think I put a lot of my insecurities onto
my partners.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
I think that's really what.

Speaker 7 (58:55):
It's stemmed from.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Was You're so used to being like I'm used to
being average or above average, right, the challenge makes you
below average. You can be great one day and you
can lose the next. Like it just that's what it is,
and that's the beautiful game of it. But I think

(59:18):
me getting picked last was at that point I felt
like I was like, oh man, this is because I suck.

Speaker 7 (59:25):
And so then I put it onto my partners.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Realistically, the reason why I was getting picked last because
I was a mess.

Speaker 7 (59:30):
Nobody wants to be with a mess.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
You can have somebody who's underperforming but is not a mess,
and so I think that was my biggest regret, was
kind of making my partner suffer because I was beating
myself up and I was putting that through my frustration.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
So Jenny brings up an interesting point here. She wants
to know, now that you've seen it play out, obviously
you've gotten the reaction from the fans, but she wants
to do you feel that editing the depiction of you
and all this was accurate and were you actually that
expressive and annoyed with your partners, because like, it does
come off that way, and obviously when your partners are

(01:00:08):
you know, legends of the game like Naia and John
A and things like that, it hits a little closer
to home to the average challenge maniac who's been watching
for twenty years now, you know, did you feel like
they were taking the worst of what you were saying
about these folks and leaving everything else on the cutting
room floor, or were you that I mean, as you
just described, were you that unused to working with someone else,

(01:00:29):
having to rely on someone else, and having a bit
of an inferiority complex that came with, like you said, performance,
being being picked last things like that.

Speaker 7 (01:00:36):
Yeah, I think I think.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
You get you, You get the side of you get
kind of more of a nasty side of me, and
I'll take ownership of that.

Speaker 7 (01:00:45):
I don't think any of my partners deserve that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
I am kind of used to working by myself and
I've been I've been kind of doing this on my
own for quite a while, right, so I don't really
like to let people come close to me or work
with somebody else. And I think that you can kind
of see that translate across. I feel like it was
pretty accurate. I beat myself up about it quite a lot.

(01:01:10):
I one aspect I do kind of wish was shown
was like there was a really really great partnership with
a Nissa, there was a really really great partnership with a.

Speaker 7 (01:01:18):
Viv Like those those are the I mean, those.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Are the things that I think kind of miss uh.
There's a really great partnership with America. You don't see
that me in America, where America had kind of went
against the rookies and I was kind of like, yeah,
I don't really trust you right now. You just told
CT everything. And then she's like, well, I'm gonna pick
you as a partner, and me in America worked through

(01:01:42):
that and we I mean, it's a it's a great partnership.

Speaker 7 (01:01:46):
I text America to this day like she's my homie.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Tell her to come on, tell her to come on
Challenge Mania. So try to be the old We're trying
to get the first on record comment from her about
this entire season. We're trying to get the fact that
she was there. We want if she's gonna say it,
we want her to say it here.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
But yeah, I mean that like that, that's aspects of me.
I don't I do think that looking back on it,
and then like, damn, man, you're really an asshole.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
But then there's a wrestling term on it. You're you're
kind of one of the heels of this season. I
would say from the rookie class. If there is a heel,
it may be you and I've put the wrestling foam
finger back on. I know you mentioned this back when
you were talking NXT that it's actually sometimes harder to
be a babyface, which is a good guy, because like
you said, you have to sell more right, and a

(01:02:38):
lot of wrestlers will tell you they like being a
heel more. It's their their favorite part to play. Obviously,
the challenge is a little different because it's it's more
your You are yourself. So if you are a bad guy,
if you are a heel on the show, you are
someone who if people are disliking you or rooting against you,
it is you. You know, it's not your character. However,
that being said, when it comes to getting called again
for season forty two, forty three, forty four, Rivals five,

(01:03:00):
whatever you want to do, I would argue that being
the one heel or one of the few rookie heels
on this season, Leo's another good example, probably better for
getting you higher on the call list than being like
just another likable rookie in a sea of eight. You
know likable guys. So how do you feel about if
this is the role that maybe you were meant to
play in this world at least for a few seasons.

(01:03:23):
Are you okay wearing the heel hat and maybe not
having a lot of kids out there with a big
foam finger that says Gabe.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Uh, Yes and no.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
I think that if I do get a callback, and
if I do go back, I think I will play differently.
I don't think I think there's to a certain extent
where you could be a heel. I don't think that
I would like. I don't think I would put or not.
I don't think I won't put down my partner. I

(01:03:54):
think that's a big detriment to me. And I think
that that's just, you know, you don't want to be
in that house and have somebody.

Speaker 7 (01:04:02):
Else and have your closest ally essentially put you down.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
But I think that there's also aspects where you're still like,
I think I'm gonna play a closer game and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
I don't want to give away my game now, but
I think that I will definitely keep my boys for
my boys.

Speaker 7 (01:04:23):
Close and not try to spread myself as why.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Let me uh, let's since we only have about twelve
more minutes, I uh, I think this may take a
whole twelve minutes because I want to get into the
whole john A uh situation. I want to get into
Theo and Olivia basically tricking you, trapping you, and hoodwinking

(01:04:50):
you and kind of making john A to look like
a liar in some ways, which I think was kind
of the.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
Straw that broke the camel's back.

Speaker 7 (01:05:00):
That's a big yeah, that's a big, big thing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:05:04):
Yeah, because it looks like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
I feel like on the screen it looks like I'm
calling John Ay a liar, uh, just because I think
she's lying. Yeah, but like, uh, you don't see like
I'm literally asking. I said, okay, if this is true,
because you got to think about it. Jake and Leo,
I'm closest allies, closer, I do not want to go

(01:05:27):
and say Leo's name. And I was like, Jake would
have said, Jake.

Speaker 7 (01:05:30):
Is a very loyal, loyal guy. Jake would never say
his name.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
They did do it strategically, though, and they spoke to
the vets of their partners, so that then when I
went and like Adrianne, she didn't know either, and I
went and asked them, and she could say with conviction,
She's like, no, we're not saying Leo's name, and then

(01:05:57):
because of that, I was there and I was like, wait, no,
now john A is lying, And when we asked her
in front of everybody, she said no, and so then
I was like, wait, I'm confused.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
And then now I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
See it on screen and I'm like, oh, you should
have just told like you should.

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
Have she should have stood up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
And she should, but I also can understand it because
then I was like, I was also kind of already
mistrusting her, So she might have just been like, I
don't have a way to go with this, and if
we get out of this, then I can still have
THEO owe me a favor.

Speaker 7 (01:06:35):
Versus if she had.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Stood up for herself, and then I just would have
been like, I don't believe you, and then then she
really would have have anything versus she was maybe thinking about,
if I do this cover Theo's ask, then I'll be
able to have him ask me.

Speaker 7 (01:06:50):
I'll be able to ask for a faith label.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
So you know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
So in the episode, we see like, uh, we see
THEO plant the seed right, and then he says, I'm
gonna let everyone else water it, and they do. But
then Olivia comes in for like the final kill and
she goes, you know what, Gabe, you should really pick Uh,

(01:07:14):
you should really go against Justin.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
You can beat him at anything.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
Yeah, and and and and of course for some reason, uh,
you pick Justin and Nanni to stake on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Was thrilled. Nanni was absolutely thrilled.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
We well, first, well, first, before we get into the
whole Nania of it all, what did you think of,
you know, THEO and Olivia putting this play in motion
and then having it work for them to their favor,
to save THEO. What what are your thoughts on just
them too kind of you know, forming this plan using

(01:07:55):
you as their like.

Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
I guess, Pawn, I think it's.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
In some ways, I think it's my fault because Derek,
you know, I was very impressionable over the season.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
That's one aspect I don't think you guys see I was.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
There was kind of a little bit of people were
able to kind of push me to where they wanted
me to go, and I would not stand ten tost down.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
And that was one.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Aspect of that that I wish I had more done.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
But I mean fair play.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
You played the game well, and you played one of
the one of the like that's a good play.

Speaker 7 (01:08:33):
I mean, what can you really say to that, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Because I still it was still kind of in my fate,
right I should have won. The only reason I picked
Justin wasn't because it realistically, it came down to the
mini final.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
If you notice, in the mini final finished right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Behind Justin, but I had beat him in one leg
of the like I beat him in eating, and then
I was in front of him until we got to
the puzzle. Looking back on it now, he whopped me
on the puzzle then and then it whoops me on
the on.

Speaker 7 (01:09:04):
The steak on a puzzle.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
But then will year me and Cedric smoked me on
the mini final, and Jake and Leo are my best friends,
so I'm not gonna steak on them, and I'm not
gonna and I'm not gonna stak on the three people
that just whooped me because I knew if it was
anything cardio, those guys have amazing cardio. They haven't and
I don't have bad Cardio, but they have amazing cardio.

(01:09:29):
And so I was like, if I want any chance
of it, I would have to do it then with Justin.

Speaker 7 (01:09:35):
It wasn't. I mean, that was literally there was so there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
Was a thought process behind it. It wasn't just like
Turbo told me to do it. Olivia told me to
do it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
I did it. There was a thought process.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Got it here with the fact that Turbo said we'd
go to the final together. I mean, that's I think
a big thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
M okay.

Speaker 5 (01:09:53):
So then not seeing something not not not not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Not But when you see Nanni's reactions, so okay. So
when Nanni's she's flat out trying to talk out of it,
which I don't know the legality of. In that moment,
could you have said, TJ, nevermind, but she's flat out saying, no, Gabe,
I don't want to be a partner. But you know,
did that a surprise you? Did you think she would
at least be somewhat open to it, And when you saw,
you know, how adversarial she was being, did you ever

(01:10:16):
second guess, like, is this better than having John a?

Speaker 7 (01:10:19):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
I just at some point I understand the idea of
staking a claim and switching partners if the grass is
greener on the other side, But if the grass hates
you on the other side and has no interest in
playing with you or having you on their lawn, what
like like walk me through in the moment. Did you
have any second guesses or regrets and why you thought
maybe having a partner that you would at least have

(01:10:40):
been at maybe similar odds with as John A, if
not worse in Nanny would have been better to you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Yes, I would say I was a little as scared
then because I was like, well, man, like, Nannie really
does not want to be my partner. And then I
was also like, walking into it, I had just told
Jake and Leo that I was gonna steak, and I
was like, but then walking into I was like, I

(01:11:09):
don't want a steak at all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Hell know what I want to do this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
But I had kind of a grown up reputation of
kind of going back as soon as I walk into
a vote.

Speaker 7 (01:11:21):
Derek knows this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
I mean there was a time where like there was
multiple different votes, but I said I was going to
vote a certain way, and then I went back on
what I said. And so I was like, you know what,
if I'm going to do anything, and if I'm going
to go out, I'm going to go out by sticking
with my guns and sticking with the fact that because
THEO would always come up to me after most nights out.

Speaker 7 (01:11:41):
He'd be like, Gave, you're a flip flopper.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
I want to play the game with you, but you're
a flip flopper and you remind me of Idris Virgo,
and so I was like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Uh, not a good look.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
So I was like, you know what, I'm gonna take
this on the chin and I'm just gonna stick by
my guns. But like, even sitting down, I think you
can see in my face and I'm I'm like, this
might not be a good idea, but I was. I
did also want my fate in my hands at that
point in time, because I was like, I thought I

(01:12:13):
thought that it.

Speaker 7 (01:12:14):
Was going to be uh, I thought it was.

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
I thought it was gonna be a coloring contest.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Now I thought that, like we were going in, I
thought there was gonna be enough people to burn. I
thought there was gonna be it wasn't necessarily votes on us,
it was I thought there was gonna be about three teams.

Speaker 7 (01:12:34):
To burn, and so it would have been three to two.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
So you thought you actually thought that this was your
best chance out of elimination, Yeah, rather into elimination.

Speaker 7 (01:12:45):
That was only that was the biggest reason.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
And THEO and Olivia knew that it was gonna be
THEO and Adrian and then they pushed you into it.
You're I just looking back at it all now, like
your problem was like you, like I get it because
I was in the same position as you, or I
was kind of like in the middle. I had friends
over here, I had friends over here, but at some point,
like I had to pick a side. And I know

(01:13:08):
that that's been very difficult the entire game. That's been difficult,
especially when you get close to people. You have to
pick a side and you're gonna hurt someone and sometimes
that that you're gonna hurt yourself by doing it. But
I think this issue is here is is Yes, John
Ay was the best best partner for you.

Speaker 5 (01:13:24):
She Uh, you guys were like a sleeper team.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
And uh the fact that someone as good as her
had a partner as good as you, it would like
made you guys a powerhouse. And you you didn't even
see it because you you wanted to jump ship so quickly.

Speaker 5 (01:13:42):
Do you hold any grudge towards Olivia.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
And and and and and and THEO for tricking you
and and and kind of pushing you into making this move,
like don the line are you gonna be like, oh,
you know what, you guys, you guys, you guys really
got me that that one season. Is that or is
it just like a man good game move. That was
a good game move, Because on the flip side of it,

(01:14:05):
it's a really fucking good game move.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
It's a really good game move. And I think that
I don't necessarily hold a grudge. I don't know if
I'll forget. I don't know if I hold a grudge,
but actually I'll tell you this, I know I won't forget.
But it is a very good game move. And I
think it also goes down to the fact of again,
I mean, I was very impressive. Well, it was very
multiple and that kind of starts with me too. Had

(01:14:32):
I kind of just left that, let that land on
deaf years, I think it would have been different. Again,
I mean, I'm still a grown man. I still make
my own choices. Nobody forced me to do something, but
I mean, yeah, I mean it's a good game move,
good game move.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Real quick, because a lot of people have asked this.
I know some people have been following you on social media,
so I've maybe seen some of this. But to clarify
for our listeners. Abou aby w have you apologized to
Johnny for your lack of accountability? So I did see
this on social but let everyone know, have you apologized
to Johnny? How do you feel about this watching it
play out? Where do you and Johnny stand? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
I mean I definitely think that I have. I mean
I definitely have apologized to John A. I think when
the elimination was over, I was like, Damn, I really
did this as somebody who has children at home, has
a family, and.

Speaker 7 (01:15:27):
I took them down with me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
If it had just been me going home, I don't
think I would feel as bad.

Speaker 7 (01:15:33):
I would still feel bad for the way I treated her.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
But again, I mean I wouldn't have felt as bad
because she would have still been able to be in
the game, right, But I just yeah, I definitely have apologized.
Me and John A are. I think you guys will
see at the reunion eventually to see our dynamic now.
But it's definitely one of those things I'm holding myself

(01:15:59):
accountable for. I don't excuse anything that I did. I
don't like to excuse anything that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Said.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
I think that you kind of have to take it
on the chin, like all the hate that I'm getting.

Speaker 7 (01:16:12):
I'm getting a lot of hate right now. That's obviously
hard to deal with.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
I think the death threats a little bit too much,
But I think that you also have to understand that
you kind of deserve it and take accountability and make
sure that you're doing better and make sure that whether
it's professional help, whether it's just focusing on yourself, working
on yourself, do the right steps to make sure that

(01:16:38):
that doesn't happen again. Because putting somebody down in that
sense or manner doesn't matter where you come from, the
pain that you came from.

Speaker 7 (01:16:45):
It doesn't justify your actions that you do today.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
And I think that that is something that I'm holding
myself accountable. No matter why I do things, it doesn't
excuse me actually going through with that action.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Spoken like a true babyface, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:17:13):
Now, hey, we appreciate you having We appreciate having you on.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
I hope this clears up some things for the people
listening at home. Keep maybe the hate to yourself a
little bit. Maybe you guys understand that, like this is
a very hard game to play.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
To be honest with you, Gabe, I was kind of
right there.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
In the middle of the you know, being the swing
vote with you right then and there.

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
I was hoping we could stick together.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
I thought John A was one of my number was
my number one or my number two in the end
there it was my number one and my number two
going against each other in this elimination. You and yar
Me and Aviv and John A, you guys might were
my number ones and number twos. And maybe I should
have made that more clear, but I regret that I didn't,

(01:17:57):
or otherwise we you know, you may still be in
this game, and THEO and Adrian might have actually been
eliminated last night.

Speaker 5 (01:18:07):
Exactly exactly. You're living, you learn, bro, living you learn.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
And I think it's good that you're taking accountability to
all this stuff. Uh will put there with the John
A thing and understand, you know, you know, taking that
one on.

Speaker 5 (01:18:22):
Good good job, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Anything you want to plug before we let you go, No,
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Just keep a keep tabs on the season. It's a
great season. I'll still be watching even from the couch,
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
And you're still down there in Florida, right, yes, sir, yeah,
are we gonna be seeing you? I think I saw
you on there on the list for the over the
Edge Celebrity Weekend. Are you still going to that in December? Right,
I'll see you down there. I'm hosting a challenge panel,
so I think Omar will probably be reaching out to
you if you want to do that one with us.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
So perfect.

Speaker 5 (01:18:56):
Yeah, bear down, bear down in more ways than one.
We got one Bear Downald, we got one. Bear's a
win baby.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
There you go. Well, unfortunately this bear couldn't get the
win last week. But great episode from you. Thank you
so much for joining us, Gabe, follow him on social media.
Don't be too hard on the guy. You heard the
backstory and hopefully we'll be seeing him on a challenge too. Gabe,
thanks a lot, brother, of course.

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
All right, guys, this sends your time here on Challenge Mania.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Take care of yourselves and hopefully we'll see in the future.

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