Ep. 500: Nany Fn' Gonzalez!

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
What's up, everybody. This is Scott Jeger here with another
edition of Challenge Mania, but not just any addition. This
is episode five hundred, and before we get to the
episode that was recorded live and in person in Nashville, Tennessee,
with one of our white whales of a podcast guest,
someone who's been on many of our live shows but
it never sat down with us for a full on

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challenge MANI a deep Divenny Gonzales. Before we get to that,
I just want to say a few quick thank yous,
because a podcast doesn't get to this milestone, episode five
hundred without a lot of help. It takes a village,
as they say, and this village is a village filled
with maniacs. If you're listening to this episode, if you've

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ever listened to any episode, you are in included in
this massive thank you. This is technically episode five hundred.
That is because although we have done probably thousands of episodes,
some of them episode breakdowns, some of them live show
posts that we put up and didn't number them, some
of them survivor maniacs or zoom audios or things like that.

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The number five hundred reflects, you know, quite frankly, only
a fraction of the output of the last few years.
Eight years I believe a few days ago was the
anniversary of when we put up our first episode November
twenty seventh, twenty seventeen. But it's still still a fun
milestone and it's still one to kind of hang our
hats on, because although we've done a lot more, it's like,

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where do you draw the line? What do you include?
You know, So the fact that we've only numbered mainly
the interview podcast and then eventually down the line started
numbering some of the live shows and things like that,
five hundred is a ton. And in that five hundred
we've interviewed some people several times. You guys know who
you are. You guys who have been coming on the

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show since all the way back in twenty seventeen and eighteen,
and have come on some people six, eight, a dozen times.
You know, you include the live shows. I mean there's
people who have been on our podcast maybe twenty times,
and then there's people like Nanni who look has been
very generous with their time and come to our live shows,
but this is the first time we've ever sat down
with her. Then there's still cast members we've never had.
You know, we've never had Laurel, never had Corel, never

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had Corey, never had you know, who's another name we've
never had. There's a lot. There's some of the new
threats we haven't had yet this year that we're excited
to talk to eventually. And that's why we know there
is a future for Challenge Mania two thousand and six
onward and beyond. We're very excited about it. But we
couldn't be here if it wasn't for you guys and
your degrees of enthusiasm. And we call you guys maniacs

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because you are maniacs for the Challenge, but many of
you guys have become maniacs for us. And you you
rock our merch and you tell people about us, and
you you know, retweet our tweets and you know, you're
just Our greatest asset is having you guys at our
disposal to spread the word the good gospel, if you will,
about what we do here with the podcast and the

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live shows and the like. And so we've always said
we're not just a podcast, We're a community. We're a
live show experience. We are you know, companion content in
its truest form, you know, If you don't like the challenge,
feel free to skip us, but if you do, hopefully
we make your day a little bit better. So thank
you to all the cast members who have donated their
time over the years, whether it's to the podcast or

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to the live shows, or lending insight or information or anything.
We love you. To the folks that make the show,
you know, down to the production assistance, which I was
one day, everybody who puts their hard work into making
the show that you guys watch and love that we
then get to talk about. We thank you all the
way up to the top, to the John Murray's of
the world and the Mary Ellis Bunams of the world

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Rest in peace, and everybody in between, Julie Pizzy and
Julie Peasy, I should say, and fer Nahs and everybody.
We love you, guys, thank you so much for putting
your hard work into making that show and in a
way to allow us to do what we do, you
know very much. So our relationship with the show and
how we kind of navigate as a separate entity, A

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lot of it's in good faith. Because Derek is a
long standing employee and star of their show. He's been
on their show and network for over twenty years now.
But look, they not only allow us to do what
we do, they encourage it. Many of them have come
out to our live shows, many of them have been
on the podcast, and we cannot thank them enough.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Either.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
We can't thank our families enough, our kids, you know,
Derek and Maverick, Nicole on Derek sand myself obviously, Lindsey Brock,
Winnie and Charlotte for being so patient with us when
we're recording at home, when we're constantly on our phones
texting or posting or commenting or whatever we're doing. The
countless days we have to spend outside of the house
in other states bringing cast members to a state near you.

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We thank you guys as well. But every single Challenge Maniac,
whether you're listening to this, whether you pop in or out,
whether you pick based on the episode or the guest,
whether you come to one show a year, whether you've
never been to a show, whether you've come to over fifteen.
I love that clip shouts to Amanda Champion, who is
truly one of the many champions of Challenge Mania and
Challenge Mania Live, who when sketch media, who we have

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to thank for the great video and audio of this podcast.
Came to her table and wanted to shoot a little
clip and said how many shows you've been to? And
she just looks at the camera. She's like, fifteen a
great Southern accent. So for all you guys who have
been to fifteen shows or more, we appreciate you guys.
For those of you guys who have been patrons, whether
it's a dollar or one hundred dollars or even more
since twenty eighteen, I can look look I'm humbled by

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either there's when there's a button I can click on
where I can look at somebody and I can see
how much money they have contributed to Challenge Mania via Patreon,
some of you guys dating back to March twenty eighteen
when we launched that thing. And these amounts of money
that you guys have put there and given to us,
whether it's every month since then, or whether you've taken
a few months off, or you pop in or you

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pop out or whatever, we know that, Yes, we give
you guys bonus content pre sales, and we try to
make it worth your while and hopefully we have. But
the amount of money that you guys have invested in
us truly has allowed us to do this for as
long as we have. We consider you guys, you know,
in a way, you know, investors, producers, partners in what

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we have accomplished here, and we hope you guys are
proud of it because we really are ourselves and we
could not have been as proud as we are of
this if it wasn't for you guys. So thank you
guys so much. You know who you are. We love you.
Without further ado, here we go Episode five hundred with
ninety Gonzalez. A lot of the shows on the docket
are sold out right now, I apologize that's a bit embarrassing. Well,

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it's a good problem to have. But so if you
do go to challenge many dot Live not gonna be
able to get tickets as much. But Orlando guys, I
know a short notice This Wednesday, December the third, Grab tickets.
You get to take in an Orlando Magic game and
you get a meet and greet with me, Carra Pauli, Gabe,
John Ay and Mark all Right. I think the ticket's
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go and grab the ticket. It's half the price of

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what our usual meat greet ticket is to do a
meet and greet somewhere else and you get to see
a basketball game, So go and check that out. We've
had a lot of fun lately at some games. We
did a Survivor Night at the Sixers last week. We
did a Jets game this past Sunday. It was a
lot of fun. So you guys can have some fun
with us this Wednesday in Orlando. Next week. Texas has
sold out. We do have two shows coming up next
year in Philly and Baltimore that are sold out, but

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New York City still on sale. Friday, January twenty third,
West car Up, Mark and Michelle. They're all getting tops
cards that come out this Wednesday on the third. You
can bring them to the show get them signed. They
will have extras there that you can buy and get signed.
It's going to be a celebration of the new out
and get your line that has all of them in it. Friday,
that is January twenty third at City Winery here New
York City. You can get tickets to that and then

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next Wednesday, So Wednesday, December tenth, will be our pre
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Wes Mark and more. Stay tuned for more guests. That's
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greet and four hours of free bowling. All right, so
all right, everybody, you didn't come for me, you came D.
Let's get to D and let's get to episode five
hundred with Naigo Salees. What's up, everybody? This is Scott

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Yeger here with another edition of Challenge Mania. This episode
five hundred of Challenge Mania is an episode we have
been waiting to do since twenty seventeen when we started
this podcast. This evasive vixen is finally sitting within our
grasp when we are delighted to be joined by Miss
Nanni Gonzalez. How are you this great morning here in Nashville.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
I am doing wonderful.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
We are so delighted that you finally accepted our invitation.
Dare I say we ambushed you a little bit, but
you were very nice to oblige us. We saw how
Johnny courted you in Amsterdam, we decided to set up
a similar spread here. So let's grab our mimosis here
do a little toast five hundred, yes, five hundred numbered episodes.

(09:04):
We've probably done about two thousand podcasts, but cheers, and
so we've been waiting to talk to you for so
long that it's funny because we have we have now
this season where you were the last person eliminated before
the final, and we obviously want to talk about season
forty one with you, but we would be remiss if
we didn't do the full Challenge Mania Deep Dive with

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you first, which of course starts with maybe the best
Real World season ever, Real World Vegas.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
I mean you said it, not me, but check the ratings.
We definitely had the best season kid.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
No, actually no, we did.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, our season was it aired the same season as
Jersey Shore season two, and we had just as high
as ratings.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
So and this was twenty eleven eleven, we.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Found twenty ten air twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
To find some people who was on that season. I
think is a lawyer for a day?

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Right for a day?

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Yeah, it was me, Adam Leroy, Dustin, Naomi, Heather and Cook.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
So what's interesting is that was back in the day
when Adam Royer came in Guns of Blazon was evicted
from the Real World loft or you know, suite if
you will, in just a couple episodes, Yet that was
such a large dent he made that. They were like,
we're bringing this guy on the challenge, We're going to leave,
And they pretty much brought almost all of you to
the Challenge. But back then I was like, you could
get kicked off the Real World and that was your

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audition for the Challenge in a good way. But how
did you wind up on the Real World? You were
so perfect for it. Obviously you grew up in upstate
New York, Western New York. Walk us through where you
were in life and how you wound up in Las Vegas.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
I always watched Real World, I want to say I
started watching when I was probably in like seventh or
eighth grade. I watched it throughout high school, not consistently,
but I definitely watched it. It was one of my
favorite shows. I was going to my community college in Jamestown.
I think it was like my second year there. I
was working at a bar in downtown Jamestown called the
Cherry Lounge. Shout out Cherry Lounge, Shout out Terry Lounge.

(10:58):
Now I really do still love like the owner jew Cos. Yeah,
but I don't even know you just said that, Junior.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
You have to clarify with that junior college or a
community college.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Community college.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, Jewco sounds like a slur now, so you got
to make sure junior college, everybody.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I don't even know if that's how what even it.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Sounds like it means like Jewish company as well or
something like that. Shout out all the Jews out there,
but go ahead, keep going by the way, shout juice,
shout juice.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Good.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Oh So, yeah, I was working. I was bartending and
going to school. So my life was just very much
school until I want to say I was. I would
start school like eight and go to like two, and
then from like three to like eight, I was working
at the cherry. My life was very, very boring to
say the least. But I was working one day and
one of my time, yeah until nighttime. But one of

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my coworkers he was actually a huge fan. He knows
all of you got like he was such a huge
fan of the real world and the challenge.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
And he came into work one day.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
I'll never forget obviously, but he came into work one
day and he I was behind the bar. I was
just like cleaning something, and he like slapped this flyer
on the bar. And I was like, what is this.
I picked it up and it was like real world
open casting call Buffalo, New York. I can't remember the
nightclub that it was at, but he's like, you should
definitely do this, you should do it.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
And I'm like, you should do this because you're so boring.
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
I mean he knew. Honestly, his name is Brad.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
He definitely knew, like he should have been a casting
director because like he obviously knew what was going on.
So anyways, he yeah, he was like, you should audition,
blah blah blah. I was like, shit, I'm going to.
So the next day I was supposed to work, I
ended up having one of the girls that I work
with work for me so I could go to Buffalo
and audition and yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
It just it all happened so fast.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
It's so fast, Like I still remember the feeling of
like standing in that line.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
What part of the year was it in because was
it outside in the cold and Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
I was wearing a dress, so I want to say
it was it was it was getting warmer, but I
know that it was still like kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
That's nice at least, right, Yeah, Yeah, I would have
thought they would have done it like the dead of
January to prove who really wanted it.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
So like nowadays, like people are obviously getting cast from
like their Instagram pictures. Like back at back in the day,
like we had to wait in line, yea, I wait
in line.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
For four hours?

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, two hours?

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeahep Then yeah, yeah sounds about right. You feel like
a four hour guy. It's a two hour girl.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Well, I mean yeah, I just do remember it being
two hours. I was like, I can't believe I've been standing.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
In But by the way, we were just in Buffalo
for a weekend. You've done one of our Buffalo appearances
with us, but we were just there last weekend, And
it is true that. And I know you were living
in Jamestown at the time, but you've spent a lot
of time in Buffalo as well. You are like the
mayor or mascot of Buffalo. Every bar we went to
there was either a server or a bartender who, when
they found out we were with MTV the challenge, et cetera,

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would be like, oh do you know not I love Nanny.
Oh my god, Nan, he's like a sister to me.
Oh my go tell Nannie, I say hello every single person.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
So well, I do have. I did spend a lot
of time in Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
I actually so when I got done filming Rural World,
I ended up moving to the city of Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
I lived downtown for about eighteen Chippewa. Right, Yeah, I
worked down.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Junior High School.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Really shout out Junior Highs.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
But yeah, I worked downtown. So I mean they all
know me downtown. I was. I was a bar star
for sure.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Did you work? So? Did you when were you living there?
Working there, et cetera? While you were on the Real
World and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
No, so I finished Real World. It was the Challenge.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
I lived in Buffalo my first I want to say,
six seasons of the Challenge. Yes, it was the first
six seasons. And then I moved to Chicago to go
to school.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Because we've talked a lot about his experience when he
first got on road Rules and road Rules back then
two thousand and four, Like everyone's watching it and he's
still waiting at Rainforest Cafe? Was it right? And the
awkwardness of like, you know, server from another table being
like Hanningham or seat and being like they want you
to sign this. Can you just say hello to this
table and things like that. What was it like obviously
working in night life while you're you're basically an ad

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avertisement for nightlife on MTV, the coolest nightlife show and
sort of network associated with partying.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
I mean it was it was great.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
I honestly, like, I think living in Buffalo and living
in a city that is very much a drinking city,
a party city, like it's the energy there was definitely
like what I needed coming off a show like that
because everyone was really cool and everyone was like, you know,
I just have I had a lot of cool people
in my life, and I met so many like great

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people because they were fans of the show and like
they knew me from that. So I don't know, it
was just it was such a cool community. I will
say I really loved living Buffalo. That's why I love
going back because I feel like I still I still
have a lot of friends there, and yeah, a lot
of good memories for sure.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Real World Vegas. So, as I mentioned, a lot of
you guys went on to do the challenge together separately,
but I'd love to know because a lot of those
folks did not have the lengthy challenge career that you've had.
We've said goodbye to them several years ago. So do
you still keep in touch with like Heather?

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Yeah, that's funny. I talked to Heather probably the most
out of everybody.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Oh really, which Heather Martyr?

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Heather Martyr, Yeah, the blode Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Little Dustin's girlfriend. Yeah yeah, I remember.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah, yeah, But I mean I still we all still
keep in contact. We have like a group chat on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Oh so you guys, are we all still talk you
eight for eight or is there one holdout? Is there?

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Like the one one holdout would be Adam.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
I'm the one that like he kind of from what
I heard, he's a lawyer now in California, so he's
doing his own thing, and you know, good for him.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Not a great fit because I remember when homecoming was
going around, We're talking about like, okay, what would be
great fits for homecoming? But you need to have the
seven for seven or eight for eight or whatever. And
for him, it's like, what are you gonna do at homecoming?
You know, go watch old clips of you doing Debatra
stuff and if then on Monday you have to be
in court being like you're on or and they're gonna
be like are you the guy who got kicked out
of Vegas? I don't think I want to hear what
you have to say about your client here. So I

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understand that with certain jobs, right like secretary of Transportation,
I get why he doesn't want to go and dig
up all that stuff, you know.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
But I will say so, when he got kicked off
of our show, they brought in Cook and she was
his replacement, but like she was the best replacement, and
she is still very much in our little family. So
it's like, yeah, we got rid of one, but we
also had another come that you know eventually.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
It was definitely a little rough there we were kids,
but no.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
We all are still really close and we all definitely
have a crazy bond. And I'm sure that you can
probably say the same with like road roles and all
of that.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
Yeah, it's but it's like, I mean, you know, people
just like go away and then I mean whenever like
we're together, it's like, I don't know, it's weird. It's
like I'll always view them as like my brothers and sisters,
but like one of them, like I haven't seen since
we stopped filming, was and he lived fucking twenty minutes
for me in the Chicago Land area. Oh and I

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never saw him again. Who is but like like a
like a kino, we just saw.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Who's the guy Patrick Patrick? Patrick?

Speaker 5 (17:57):
He went I went to Maine East High School, right,
he went to the main South High school. Like they're
like our high schools were literally in the same.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Suburb, crosstown rivals.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
In the same suburb, cross and they were always better
than us, always beat up on us, you know. But
like he was one of those people that was just like,
I want nothing to do with this show.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
And he would have been.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
The best at all of the He was the best
at all the sports. He was the smartest, he was
the strongest, he was the you know what I mean,
like all of that, and he was he went to
UPenn for wrestling, like he just wanted nothing to do
with it. And he was I mean like literally lived
twenty minutes from me and then just wanted nothing but.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Your season similarly, Wow, but your season similar because you're
another season other than him, I guess I think every
one of you, including the replacement, I think Angelo, right,
all you guys did the challenge to varying degrees, right,
And but for instance, we just reunited Derek or he

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reunited with Keena, who was from his season, became a
Challenge mainstay for a few seasons there, but then dropped
off the face of the earth, went into I think
child psychology or some profession to work. She wants nothing
to do with the show whatever, but she came to
our stage in Boston. Was like blown away by that.
People even knew her name, cared about seeing her there.
But you could tell there was a trepidation of like, oh,
this was my past life and I kind of want

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to cut it off here when I leave here, I'm
not going to be like following that Challenge MTV or whatever.
And so it's very similar to your season where you
had like, you know, Heather had a cup of coffee
on the show, but then kind of dropped off, you know,
and doesn't even dabble. I haven't really even seen her
on podcasts. We've never had her on Then obviously you
have Dustin went a little bit further, but he's kind
of on the outs now but still kind of occasionally
does an interview her too. And then there's you and

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Lee Roy, who are kind of like the Jody and
Derek's of his season, where you guys are the mainstays
who became two of the you know, the brightest and
freshest faces of the show for the next ten fifteen years.
So I just find it so interesting when people do
drop off, how much of it is them, how much
of it is the show, you know what I mean.
Heather is someone who I thought when she came in
on Rivals and her and Kara crushed it, that she

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would be someone who'd be brought back time and time again,
and that never happened. So, you know, I was wondering, like,
did you ever wish there was more of a Vegas
support system for that next ten fifteen years you had
where you really kind of only had Leroy.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Oh my goodness. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
There's so many times where I still to this day,
I'll be like Heather Martyr, the Blonde, I'm always like, sure,
you don't want to come back like you should cold
because she like, I don't know if you guys remember,
but she was on X's with Dustin and that was
her first and only season and then she Yeah, it
was one of those things where the challenge just wasn't

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her life, and she reality TV not necessarily a challenge,
but it was just Reality TV wasn't her life.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
We were also twenty one years old. She was.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
She's super smart, like that girl like does while in school,
Like that was her. That was her life, you know.
I think Real World was just kind of like a
fun thing that she wanted to do. But Heather is
the one. Naomi definitely would never want to do the
challenge ever, Like it's not her thing. But Heather is
the one that I always say she could have absolutely
made a crazy challenge career because she's little. But that

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girl was, like she's she's small, but she is mighty
and she's so smart, and she her social game would
be amazing, like she's she was really good and she
could have definitely, you know, done well if she she
suck it up.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
What are they all doing?

Speaker 4 (21:16):
All have babies, they're married, they're just living life. I
mean they're all doing really well and they're all really happy.
So that's all I really care about.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
Well, not everyone can do fifteen fucking seasons, yeah, like me,
and you have how many seasons have you done?

Speaker 3 (21:29):
I want to say, is this my.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Six one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen,
And that's not counting all stars.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
So fourteen yeah, okay, fourteen, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
That is a lot. I mean that's got to be
up there.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
And I took breaks too. I definitely did.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
So I did six seasons in a row, took three
years off when I went to school in Chicago, and
then I came back to another six, and then I
just recently took three years off and now I'm back.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
So what's what's what's the come and go?

Speaker 1 (21:59):
For you?

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Is like do you need breaks from the show?

Speaker 4 (22:03):
One hundred percent? And anybody that tells you different is crazy.
For me personally, I feel like six is like my
cap once I've and I noticed that. So again, I
did my first six seasons, took three years off. When
I came back, I did another six in a row,
and it was funny because I was like, for some reason,
it's always the sixth season where I'm like mentally fried

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and I'm like my body hurts, my brain hurts, Like
I don't want to talk about a game anymore, Like
I just want to get back to real life, you know. Yeah,
And I think that that's super important because a lot
of people don't know when to stop, you know, So
it's greaz.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
So I have it in front of me. So you
went from Battle of the Seasons all the way through
Rivals three, then you took that break. You come back
for War of the Worlds, which was when we talked
about it on the show all the time, because it
was a very tough season. It was essentially a fresh
meat season in that half of the cast were newbies
to the challenge. They had all come from other inner
national shows and whatnot, but for the most part, it

(23:02):
was interjecting a bunch of fresh faces, your Theos, your Turbos,
your Georgia's, you know, folks like that. Josh Martinez started
on that season, and so you come back and it's
kind of like a new generation and new era. You
go and do that all the way through. I mean,
so it's War of the World's Ward, the World's two,
total madness. That's three in a row, then Double Agents
during the pandemic, Spies lies again, and then Ryder dies.

(23:24):
That's all in a row. Then you take a break
until All Stars five into Vets or New Threats. So
you really do kind of have three sort of really
clear cut eras of none. So let's go era by era.
It starts off Battle of the Seasons and you are
the one. Maybe there was another team like this, but
they combined you and the earlier Vegas. So is you
and Dustin right, and then Trishellen Alton? Right? Okay, how

(23:48):
did you guys feel about that? Did that feel like
it put you at a disadvantage or was it like, Wow,
we get Alton and that's pretty dope because that wasn't
his best season, Let's be honest, But like talk about
being one of the only shows where they decided to
do that because like San die got to play as
all San Diego, whereas they could have partner them up
with a couple of old school San Diego ins.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Yeah, I think honestly, I mean, I don't even care
to say this. I thought it was gonna be so
much better than what it actually was. I didn't know Alton,
I didn't know Trischelle. I mean, granted, yes, they were
on the first Vegas, but that was so that was
like before my time, so I didn't even know who
they were. Obviously I knew the names, don't get me wrong,
but I just didn't know them. So I think us
like me, Dustin and I not really knowing who they were.

(24:28):
I think that was hard because it was like every
other team had the advantage of already really knowing each
other and understanding each other, and just it just makes
the game that much easier, you know, when you do
have like that level, like that bond.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
So it was it was definitely different.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
And I will say everybody talked, like talked Elton up
so much, and I was expecting, like somebody completely different
than the Elton that I got on the Challenge, and
you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
You got Jordan on the Wizards basically you got. Yeah,
this was him coming back from weird and he was
not having a great season, didn't love the vibe. It
was the last one he ever did until All Stars,
you know whatever. It was ten years later, and so yeah,
people almost forget he was on that season because they
remember the other three seasons where.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
Like wants nothing to do with it, like, and the
fact that he came back was like.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Whoa, yeah, right, like came back to battled seasons.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I mean it came back to.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
All Stars both times.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Actually really surprised and I heard that he came back.
I was like, Okay, wait, the last I knew he
wanted nothing to do with it.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
Yeah, because he was like I mean a reality TV god,
right like that, That first Real World, Last Vegas season
was one of the main reasons why we all stuck
with the Real World for years and years and years,
because that one was so good.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
That was no offense. I mean, that was the most
iconic I think, no season ever I think.

Speaker 5 (25:52):
And it was just because we're all watching all these
you know, young kids we're watching in our twenties, all
these young people in Vegas getting filmed doing the same
ship we're doing in James Town or Chicago or New York.
We're all do like we would all love to be
like in one of those people's shoes, living in the
palms or whatever. But you guys did the same thing, right,

(26:14):
you guys look in the poems the palms. But it
was like part two, you guys like parfense. You know
that ballot season's World Rules didn't even get a fucking
team in there.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, but I'm just saying, you know, but for him,
he can't.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
He was just like this like reality TV golden child,
kind of like Qral, like Coral will always be this
like iconic female reality TV figure who's.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
You know, a kind of a ghost.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Now.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
He then goes on and like has this like you know,
becomes this you know god, reality TV god. And then
he comes on Bawle of the Seasons and like people are
looking at him like he's some kind of fucking well.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
He took too much time off where you guys don't
resonate with you. Remember, you can be someone who you
first thing you said was I grew those in the
real world, but you might have grown up watching the
three seasons after his and so on, whereas like again,
no respect. Same thing for Trischelle. She was never like
the biggest challenge athlete, but as far as celebrities go
in the reality TV world, she was top notch. A
plus you knew the name Trischelle, but I'm sure she

(27:16):
showed up onto Battle of the Seasons and a lot
of these people either didn't care or they were like,
you know, this isn't that, honey, whatever it is. And
so to be tethered to them, two people who were obviously,
you know, from a character standpoint, name standpoint, kind of
fish out of water because they they probably feel like, oh,
we should be getting treated like royalty or sort of,
you know, whereas either you have your sight set on them,
like let's go for them or you just don't even care,

(27:38):
and you're like, why does this person think they're the
shit because I've never seen their show.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
And I think that's what it was.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
I think that they were in a house with a
bunch of and again, that was the season, my first season.
It was all rookies, right, so we didn't know I mean,
I again, we know the names, we didn't know who
they were.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
And I think you're right.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
I think you kind hit the nail on the head there,
Like they think they were expecting to walk in and
to be a with a bunch of rookies who were
like praised them, but it was the exact opposite. Everyone
walked in or they walked in and everyone was just
kind of like, Okay, let's get them out of here.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
I don't want to dive.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
You were royalty.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's what royalty.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
You were royalty?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Well you know what that reminds me. I don't want
to This is in a segue into season forty one,
but real quick, I want to ask you, do you
now kind of know how it feels? Because I feel
like on season forty one, these sixteen rookies did not
give a book what you or CT or Johnny or
Derek or Aniss or anyone had done, and they came
in I think, with the same chip on their shoulder,
but not based on knowing or caring who you were,
but just because half of these guys were in the Marines.

(28:36):
They're like, you know, I'm good whatever, and they came
in guns of blazing. Similarly, did it do you now?
Kind of like you know, you started in the shoes
where you're seeing an Outson and a Trichelle walk in
and it's just like, WHOA hold up, we don't care?
And did Season forty one remind you now? I'm the Troschelle,
I'm the outs in a little bit.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
No, not really, but I will say I understand the
fact that they weren't like impressed by like CT and
every you know, I get that because like you got
to also remember too, all these people that they're casting,
they all come from different shows. They all do the
challenge to be famous. They want brand deals, they want
they want the followers, like they don't give a shit

(29:13):
about the challenge, And I think that's what it comes
down to. I don't I don't necessarily think they they
cared about the names, but I don't think they actually
care about the challenge and the way that we all do.
And that's fine because that's not their show. So again,

(29:36):
I think it was just different. It was just a
bunch of people coming into this game. And again, they're
all from different shows, and they've already they've already established
their following. They're all coming in with an ulterior motive
and that is to get the brand deals, get the
name out there, make as much money as they can,
and that's it.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
But but like, like as like vets, like, we have
to still earn their respect as well. Yeah, Like I
mean they're they're they're game players, Like they're coming in
to play a game, not not to you know, kiss
people's asses, And like if you don't if you can't
climb the fucking ladder or you can't do the puzzle,
well guess what.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
You suck at climbing ladders and you suck at doing puzzles.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Yes, okay, you know you didn't win the elimination whatever, Like, yeah,
you have to earn their respect too.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I mean it's not like, why would they give a shit?
Why should they give a shit?

Speaker 4 (30:23):
No, one thousand percent I totally agree with that. Why
why should they give a shit. That's you know, I
get that aspect, but I also think that there's a
little bit more than just them not giving a ship
and you know, us having to earn their respect. I
think also they all come in and they just want
to be somebody on TV.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
They don't give a fuck about the show.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
They don't care about the people who have dedicated their
lives to this, you know, so sorry, That's just my
personal opinion.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
And some of them have come though from other competition
shows with like a Survivor or a Big Brother, where
again they're already coming in with that oh, you're just
a person in a game for me kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
That's exactly what you know.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
And that's the difference. I think back when they did
Fresh Meat, these were literally people fresh out of the
bar or out of college. You know, that's what it was.
It wasn't fresh Meat, but you had to you know,
you almost one Big Brother or Survivor, so rivals too.
You end up with a rival off of your Vegas season, correct, right?
Or no? Wasn't it you in Naomi? Or no? Who
is it you?

Speaker 3 (31:18):
And who who were you with?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Okay, you're with Johnny? Okay? So was it was Lee
Roy and so who's Naomi.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
With Sonai was a cook?

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Oh and then Kara came in as their place. Okay, So,
because I remember there were two Vegas Rivals teams. It
starred as Adam and Lee Roy. But then he leaves
that show too, he goes two for two getting kicked off, right,
and they replaced then uh LeRoy's rival with his best
friend and nicest guy ever, Mike right, yeah right, yeah yeah,
so but I was so but so Rivals too. So

(31:52):
you end up with john A. Okay, john Ay here
this weekend. Obviously we're going to see her later today.
And obviously you guys, you know, have gone on to
do many seasons together. But what was it like, you know,
being associated with someone having to beat your rival for
the first time, something that obviously you go on to
do multiple rival seasons. You get it. This is a
part of the challenge stick. But rivalry is in quotes.
Some people it's a blood feud. Some people are friends

(32:14):
who got into one fight on camera. Where were you
and john A? And the scheme of things when it
comes to that.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
So the reason why Johnny and I were partners was
because the previous season was Battle of the seasons, and
I don't know if you guys remember that season, but
it was truly me versus.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
The entire house all season. I gave no fucks. I
did not care.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Looking back, I was definitely kind of crazy, But at
the same time, I am still very proud of how
I handled myself because I held my own and I
stood up for myself regardless if it was me versus
the entire house. But that season, that was when Zach
and john A got together, and Zach and I were
not friends, and he would ad dicked to me, and

(32:55):
I think I expected john A to like have my
back a little bit more and she didn't. So what
it was over Zach wasn't anything that like really mattered.
It was more it was over a guy. But yeah,
then we went into rivals too, and we were cool
because before we were rivals, we were friends, you know
what I'm saying, So like, yeah, we like got into

(33:16):
it battle of the Seasons whatever. I lost a little
bit of respect for her. But the next season, her
and Zach had broken up. By then, she and I
just completely came in and we honestly, I love Johnny
and it took a day for us to like get
on good terms. So yeah, we were definitely one of
those rivals where it was like we didn't really hate.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Each other, but not everyone does. So next season, Free Agents.
We got a glimpse of this season in your final
episode of season forty one because they showed this clip.
It was probably the closest you've come to winning other
than maybe, I would say Double Agents probably, And so
you know, they show this clip, it's down to you
and Laurel. Laurel ends up winning. What do you remember
about that season? What was it that you did, Why

(33:59):
was it you did so well? And then what do
you think caused you to come up so slightly short
at the end.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Guys, that was my third season.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
You have to understand, I mean I was still young
and I was still fresh, and I was looking at
this as just like a fun thing to do. I
wasn't looking at it like I could actually win and
I could like you know, I wasn't thinking money. And
that was just me being a kid and being naive
really to what you know was actually at hand. But yeah,

(34:27):
that season was the best season I think I've out
of Like performance wise, I killed it like all season long,
and then I got to a final, which I was.
I remember standing at that start line looking around thinking
how the fuck did I get here? Because I partied
all season long. I want't to have every challenge. I
crushed every challenge, but I was like, I do not
take it seriously. And when I lost to Laurel in

(34:49):
that final by seven minutes, I just remember like after
that season kind of thinking like, oh, okay, like I
think I can do this, Like I think like maybe
I can at actually like win, you know, maybe I'll
try a little bit more now. So I think that's
what it was that season. I just I went into
it and it was a fun thing. It was like
I almost looked at like a party, but I just
did really well and I didn't I didn't take it

(35:11):
so seriously. And then yeah, coming up seven minutes second place,
I was like, okay, that's when I something clicked in
my head and I was like, okay, cool, let me
turn this on, let me figure out what I can
do from here, And that was it. That was I
think that was the turning point where I started looking
at it more.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Like a game and you know, like a chance to
win money versus a party.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
So that first era of Nannie goes from Battle the
Seasons to Rivals three. I would say free agents, probably
the high of highs when it comes to your performance
and things like that. Anything else from that era that
you think we should discuss before I ask you about
that break you took. Oh no, yeah, so when you
take a break and it's from Rivals three to War
the Worlds? Which Rivals three? I want to say, was

(35:54):
that probably like twenty sixteen maybe something like that. And
then I would say, were the world's two year break? Two?
Three year break?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
You said, not three year?

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, So what are you doing for three years? You're
not on TV anymore? What are you doing with your life?
And is the challenge completely in the rear view? Are
you still dabbling seeing people doing anything of the sort?

Speaker 4 (36:14):
So in that three year break, I so I finished
Rivals three and then I moved to Chicago maybe like
a few months after filming that season and went back
to school for aesthetics. So the program that I did
was a little less than a year. So the first
year I was in school working my ass off, grinding.
I was so poor, and I was so young, but

(36:35):
I was you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
I had to do what I had to do.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
And yeah, So I finished school, started working and I
actually like, I loved living in Chicago. I started working.
I worked at a medical spot in the West Loop
and you know where that is. But I was working
at a medical spop for doctor and it was great.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
I loved it.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
I was in a relationship at the time, so my
life was very low key. I was The only people
from the Challenge that I talked to were Jenna and Leroy.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Those are the only two really, and Johnny here and there.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
But for the most part, I was so removed from
the Challenge and like reality TV, that when I went
back after the break, it.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Was like a whole new world.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Well that's what I say to say. So you three years,
that's probably about six seasons or so that you're saying
I'd imagine they're calling you and you're saying no every time, right,
But that's around the time we start Challenge Mania. I
remember you were on one of our first shows ever
in Chicago, and I'd love to know because here's I
think one of the major changes between nan e Era

(37:38):
one nan Era two, which is more a change in
the whole world but also Reality TV in the Challenge,
is that social media goes from being a thing to
like now it's everything right now, there's like a challenge subreddit.
Everything you say or do three hundred and sixty five
days a year is now a story, not just on
the show. There are now podcasts like us things like that,

(37:59):
And I'd imagine that a major change coming back for
War of the World's where so much more is expected
of you, so much more is asked of you. People
care so much more, and there are so many other
ways to either capitalize on your your TV prowess or
to have to run from it. So what was that
a lot? Because I mean, look, this is episode five hundred.
You have successfully evaded us on the couch literally and

(38:20):
figuratively until now. You've done many of our like live
shows and things. But I can tell just by how
often you've said no that, Like, that element of the
challenge experience is not something you love. Right the social
media I remember you kind of your Instagram is like
semi private or whatever. You'd always have like two I'd
never know which one to tag. So walk us through
coming back to War the Worlds. But this whole new
landscape that is completely different to the one you entered.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
It was. It was definitely very different. I will say
it was kind of a breath of fresh air at
the same time because that season, in particular, half of
the cast they were all foreign, so it was coming
in and like the vets were actually a lot of
them were my friends, people that like I actually like like,
and then the other half it was people from different

(39:03):
countries and just different, big personalities, and it was just
so different that coming back, I actually really enjoyed War
of the Worlds because it was it was just nice.
It's nice to get to know different people who've never
done the show before, who.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Like, are from different countries. I don't know, I really
liked that whole setup. But I think what was different.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Is like the first era, I guess you could say
I did it was social media really wasn't a thing.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
It was kind of just taking off, I guess.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
But when I came back, social media was so huge
that now it's like you have the opportunity to because
you remember, like after Real World, I mean, I was
doing club appearances like that was really all we did,
and that was fun, of course, but when I came back,
it was like a whole different world.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
It was like, now we have brand deals.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Now, like you know, I was getting paid to post
products and things that I could just I never really
expected because again, you know, I finished the first six
seasons and then I went back to school thinking that,
like I needed to establish a career because the challenge.
You know, I can't bank on going into a challenge
and maybe winning or maybe lasting this long. So when

(40:19):
it came down to it, I'm very much about my money.
So like I had to like quickly adjust to the
new times and that. And it was great because here
I was thinking like, oh, I only can have a career,
but like it's like no, I can make the challenge
a career if I want to. Yeah, And I think
that's when I a light bulb kind of wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
You. So, it's interesting when you get into a quote
unquote real world job, but I always hate that because again,
influencer is a job getting brand deals, making appearances, whole
host owning a podcast company. These are real jobs. But
people like to call anything that sort of everyone everything
that's sort of tangentially related to your reality TV career.
People like to you know, unless you like work in
a toll booth or an athletes. But it's not a
real job, but when you do go into the real world,

(41:01):
no pun intended, you know. I think there was a
stigma of, oh, do I kind of need to almost
distance myself from my MTV past, take MTV out of
my handle, whatever, because this might stand in the way
of me making more money, people might take me less seriously. Then,
of course you come back and followers are currency, your brand.
Deals are going up or down based on the amount
of people you have watching you and following you. And

(41:22):
I wonder was there any regret of like, oh I
should have kept one foot in more or were you
okay just kind of catching up again.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
No?

Speaker 4 (41:29):
I was absolutely okay with just catching up again the
career that I had established in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
I loved it.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
And you have to also remember too, I'm my business
is about I mean, I have clients. So yes, I
wasn't on the show in that period, but people still
knew who I was, So I was still getting people
coming into the spot asking for me, like diehard fans
that were still coming to see me because I was
on the show. So I think when I was working, yes,

(41:59):
in the back of my mind, I tried hard to
kind of separate myself from MTV because I wanted to
be looked at as a professional. But then I started
seeing that, like everybody that came in to see me
was from the show, and they wanted to talk about
the show, and that was like, you know, that's how
I got people in my room. So it was like
when I came back, I think that's when I was like, oh, okay,

(42:20):
like now I can I can really take advantage of
the show and like what I can get out of
it and you know, have that kind of like go
hand in hand with my career.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Have you ever heard what he did? So? So, Derek
famously takes seven years off of the show, some of
it his ideas, some of it their idea. But during
this down period, he decided to not pause, but delete
his very well followed Twitter account.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Right, oh oh was it Instagram?

Speaker 1 (42:45):
So you you had hundreds of thousands of followers that
you go, you know what this is behind me? I'm
working in the oil fields, you know?

Speaker 2 (42:51):
No, No, I mean it was it was because I
was having issue I had.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Relationships family, Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
And I said, okay, you know what, I'll do everything
that I that I can possibly do to try to,
you know, fix things.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
And let's just let's let's do it, get rid of it,
all right, I want this, Will this work?

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Yeah, it's because at the time we don't realize, well,
we didn't realize that that stuff, you know, it matters today.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
So I did the same thing.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
I had.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Well, I don't even want Twitter, but I had Twitter,
and I had to. I mean, I don't want to
say this because it's cocky, but I had the highest
following of any real world girl or anybody.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
And so when I when I moved to.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Chicago and I went back to school, I erased that
account because it was Twitter and it was toxic. But
and I don't regret it, because I definitely don't need it.
But it's like I get that. I get that mindset
of like at the time, you just like are like,
I'm putting this behind me, doesn't matter. But then I
remember coming back to world the world, and I was like, damn,
I should know.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
I should It'd be nice to start at the highest
and not have to start over again.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
But you're like, all right, find out do the dumbest
thing I do. If it works, all right, Yeah, I
total it tho.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
Fire It's I used to say when I left the
challenge or took the break or whatever you want to
call it, Like it was like taking a like you
went to community college, that was like our degree. Like
we got a degree in reality TV. And at some
point when we decided to go in a different direction,
it was like lighting.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
That fucking degree on fire and say, all right, I
guess I'll go do something else.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Let me go work in the oil fields, you know,
all that stuff that I did for you know, five
six years, Like let's just get rid of it. And
then you come back and you know it still still
lie yeah, fire right back up.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
And it's just so crazy because I don't know about you,
but I just I never I mean I never expected
to still be doing this at my age, you know,
oh my god.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
But but but back then too, it was different because
it was like we weren't getting paid, were getting paid
to do it, and like, you know, like I think
that the reason why like someone like I think, someone
like you that comes back and is like this the
show needs to like survive, is because we came from

(45:06):
from it being nothing, you know, just like any other industry,
whether it's the WWE or CrossFit that started off in
a fucking dirt road somewhere like when you were there
at the beginning, when when it was I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Want to say nothing, but we were getting paid nothing.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, because I think it's the opposite. I think you
guys were on it when the characters, when you guys
were everything, whereas now we were we were.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Getting social media not getting paid.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
And I mean, my god, the things that we were
I mean, the things that I was doing on TV,
it was definitely going to go against me in the
professional right.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Well, we joked about, we joked about a new business
that you're thriving in now and and you you kind
of regretting taking so long to starting or by the way,
shouts to Nani's only fans here, it's great from other people.
But but that you joked yesterday you were telling us,
you know that you wish you would have started it earlier.
Now it literally didn't exist though, when like you said,
you had the highest follower account, people were just googling

(45:59):
you and doing what they wanted with pictures that you
wouldn't get a sent for. But now this is just
an example of one of the ways I'm using that
the world caught up with. If you're on television, whether
it's a podcast, getting brand deals on your Instagram, whether
it's only fans, whatever, You now can commoditize your fame
on the show for added revenue in addition to the
hefty fee that you're now getting from having done so
many seasons. It also helps that when I look at this,

(46:22):
you made three finals in a row. And for those
of you guys, I mean most people know that the
longer you make it on a season, the more fruitful
it is for you economically as well. So not only
are you doing the amount of seasons where they pay more,
you're making it further so you're getting paid a lot.
But now the fact that you're on TV, there are
other ways that you can maximize it. Whether you're selling
lotion on Instagram, which probably goes well with the only
fans I'm not gonna lie, or what happened here? There

(46:44):
are so many ways that you guys can capitalize this,
and Derek was so ahead of the curve, you know.
It's funny. I remember the first time Derek and I
ever spoke was in twenty eleven. I was doing a
podcast that did not go well because people hadn't caught
up to podcasting yet. It was called a shot of Yeger.
He was doing a podcast that he didn't even know
the name podcast. He was calling it Ultimate Challenge Radio.
We got linked up our radio show.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
It was our radio show crazy.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
I wanted the Challenge to have a radio show, so
I called The Ultimate Challenge Radio.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
One hundred percent. And now that term for that is podcast.
But we're both so early to it. But we connected.
We did one or two podcasts together in twenty eleven.
And ironically, I remember that the season we talked about
that was on TV at the time was was Real
World Vegas. So it's so funny we're all kind of
intrinsically linked to twenty eleven. But again, it took till
twenty and seventeen for him to get back on the show.
But come back and go now, I think everybody is

(47:33):
ready for a podcast. And then now again, you know,
it's not just us since then a lot of other
podcasts have popped up. The show itself decided to shout
to the Official Challenge podcast have their own podcasts. Other
cast members shouts to Johnny Zach whomever have their own
podcasts and things like that, and it's the world catching
up to look.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
But it started here, Nanny.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
No, of course this is episode everybody.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
And I just want to say going back to going
back to what I was saying earlier about how like
the the rookies come in and yes, they don't owe
us anything.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
But I think that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
I think it's.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Because we started this when like there was nothing to gain,
you know what I'm saying. And so I think that's
what's frustrating for me anyways, is when I come into
the to the show now and and don't get me wrong,
everybody do I am.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
I'm not a part of casting. I don't give a shit.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
But I think that's what's frustrating is to see people
that do the show and they're not posting about it,
they're not promoting it like they don't They almost look
at it like the show should be happy that they're
on it, when it's like you don't even know what
it was like, like we used to get paid nothing.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
There was nothing that we could get out of it.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
We would win a bike.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
I was fucking up my life on TV.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
I was looking up for every like I we made
this ship for you, like you should be thankful that
you even have the opportunity to be here because like
if it wasn't for us dealing with literally fucking getting
nothing out of it, Like I just I think that's
what's frustrating for me.

Speaker 5 (49:00):
Yeah, well I think it's that like that like slightly
narcissistic trait that they have that they don't know that
they have unaware of, which is what we all have.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Is like we're kind of unaware of our stupidity.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
Yeah, is like it like but for but for us
to like keep this show going, like obviously, you know,
shout out to your MTV raps, because like MTV is
like going away, like it's.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
About to die. It's about to be gone, I know,
you know.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
And like we were there during an era where like
we came home from school and we fucking sat on
the couch with our sandwich and we put on MTV
and there was fucking Eric Nice was doing the Grind
and we had t r L and oh my god,
you know, and then like whatever show came.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
After that beat us and butt Head was.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
Around and then and then the challenge in real world
was like it was in our living for our entire
fucking high school life, and now it's just about to
be gone, I.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Know, which is so sad when I think about it,
it's so.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Sad to segue back to War the World. So you
end up being partnered with someone who had go ahead,
Do you got something?

Speaker 7 (50:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
No, War of the World.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
Just to get people caught up like this is when
Turbo time happened.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Like, and she's she's Turbo's partner.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
He was thirty and we just found out he was
thirty years old when he ran that final, when the
hardest finals. Yeah, you know it started his kind of
you know, you know, and his his his little challenge
career with you. And he's thirty seven years old and
he's having some trouble on this month. He's still a
fucking allegend. He's still a legend in his own right.
People maybe hate me for saying that, but like he

(50:33):
is a different fucking breathing.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
But she but Nanni is so intrinsically linked to him
because a their partners for the first half of the season.
Then if you don't remember Nanni's exit is she loses
an elimination to Georgia where Turbo literally had to tape
her down, which good luck. This guy's been taping people
down his whole life. It's like, say, people. That's what
I do. But he was in the news, but we'd
never see. Yes, he saved someone on a plane, holding

(50:56):
down like an assailant or right, exactly, So so this guy,
you can that you could not have been taped down,
but we don't know the details. So let's not like
to retell it and get things wrong. But yes, he
he like saved It was on the show, didn't they did.

Speaker 5 (51:10):
Yeah, they played on the show. They showed previous footage
of him. Uh, he was on an airplane and there
was some sort.

Speaker 8 (51:18):
Of some sort of an altercation and he held the
guy and he and he you know, I got the guy,
got the guy in the chair and I maybe I
don't know if he got help or not, but like
he taped the guy's arms to the chair on the
plane before your elimination. Yes, so so when he didn't
help you, you know, when he didn't keep it loose

(51:41):
during the elimination, we were all like, what the fuck?

Speaker 5 (51:43):
Why didn't he Why didn't he keep it loose? Well,
because he's been programmed. Yeah, so they showed the footage
of him like rescuing some of the people on a
plane by taping a guy's fucking arms to the chair
of the plane.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Oh wow, I didn't know that, But I will say
that didn't bother me so much. The only thing that
bothered me was when I remember I was you guys,
I was so sick when I watched that episode back
because and it's still to this day, to this day,
I will always remember this, that motherfucker and we're on
better terms these days, obviously, but I was sick because

(52:18):
he celebrated.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
They show him celebrating me getting eliminated.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
So not only did you okay, let me just start
from the beginning, I just really want it could because
I was always like, I think mine and Turbo's relationship
confuses them because we were on.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Rivals and all of that whole thing.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
But so on War of the World, what they did
not show is Turbo came into that season barely speaking English.
How he was cast I don't even know. I don't
know who the fuck said that this guy should be
on camera talking to a camera when he can barely
speak the language.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Honestly, go ahead, no, it was.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
It was actually kind of crazy when I think about it,
But I think so him and I partners.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
You guys, like, were you like his translator?

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Almost you don't even know.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
I was literally, so they would so TJ would explain
the game and then the rules, and then after the rules,
you know what I had to do. I was drawing.
We were in Namibia, drawing in the sand, exactly what
we were supposed to do. So he would understand, like,
you don't even know. Like I felt like it was
my job, it was my duty to make to make

(53:24):
sure he understood what we were doing. It's me wrong
when it came to competition, like we always he always
figured it out, you know, we always figured it out.
But it was the getting him to understand what the
game was, what we had to do, making sure that
he understood exactly what was going on.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Because they didn't production and give a shit. They didn't care.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
They're like, oh, he doesn't speak English, Fine, have fun, Nannie,
good luck.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
And I'm not even kidding you. I was drawing in
the sand.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Ask him, ask him about it, like to this day,
I and and so now like and so that season
he would joke and you would always tell me that
I'm like his mom.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
That's what he called me. All season, was like mom.
And so it was like a funny thing.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
And then and that whole thing happened where like, you know,
he celebrated when I got eliminated because he was part
of the reason why I got eliminated and then ended
up winning seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. I kind
of felt like, well, God damn, like I'm never gonna
do that yet, I'm never gonna help somebody like I
don't give a shit with my partner or not.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
When you found out he was, that was really sad.
That was That was a weird. That was weird.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
I do think that he knew like afterwards, like I'm
not playing like this is a friend Like a lot
of people have problems separating like game from like relate
like real friendships. Like I mean we see that kind
of like with Mikaela and Somewhere Survivor as the big
Brother right, like they're they're kind of like they they
can separate game from like reality, real emotions and like this.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
And like, I mean, you're the you know, but if
he doesn't even know English, let alone, if you haven't
drawn out the rules for him and he just knows
it's the task at hand, he might not know it's
not of the utmost importance for him. To quote unquote
win even though it's not his elimination, He's the one
chosen to do that to you. I forget who was
doing it, Yeah, Georgia, but somebody else had to do
it to Georgia. And so the idea of like whispering

(55:08):
to him, hey, if you want ninety to stay, only
do it a little bit that would have had to
have been explained to him by someone like you in
the sand.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
And so because because the rule makers are telling him, hey,
you gotta fucking do this as hard as you can.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yeah, like Taper armshed and he's.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Like, so when you find out that he wins the season,
whether it be for want, you.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Think that he like he had any remorse from that.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Again, talked about it.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
No, absolutely not, no un rivals and we were repaired
on rivals.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
I definitely brought I don't know if they ever aired it,
but I definitely brought it up to him, like, hey,
remember that one time when you sent me home and
then you cheered when I got eliminated and then you
won seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars because I got
you to the end. Because you guys have to understand,
I did all the politicking. All Turbo had to do
was show up and help me win challenges. That's all
I ever asked of him when it came to game stuff,
social anything in the house.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
That was all me.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
I got him and he will tell you this, So
I'm not just blowing smoke up smoke my own ass.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
I got him to the end. Yeah, I carried him
through that season.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Yeah, he definitely helped me win challenges, thank god, because
like that's what we did while together, is compete together.
But when it came down to it, when it came
to the like you know how, it is like it
doesn't matter if you it doesn't take just winning challenges
to get to the end. You have to the social
game comes in to play, absolutely and you have to
be able to do that. And so at that point,
he didn't speak English, he wasn't talking to anybody in

(56:22):
the house.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
That guy lived in the gym. That's all he did.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
And poor thing, that's all he could do because sitting
and having a conversation with people was like talking to
a wall for him. So yeah, I just I think
that I.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Don't even know when when you find out he won,
whether it was through the grape vine or watching or
what have you did? You were you a little bit proud,
like that's an extension of you sort of winning your
partner one are are you still mad that you're he's
the reason you went home and you weren't able to
take anything positive from it?

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Honestly? I mean I was. I was happy for him,
because yes, I felt like, you.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Got him there, you got him two thirds of the
way there that way. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
Then, And I would be lying if I said that
I wasn't a little like salty because of how I
got eliminated and how he celebrated. I think that was
the only thing that was hurtful to me, because it
was like I fucking helped you all season long, Like
I literally was the only person fucking spelling shit out
in the sand for you, and like making sure you
were good. You didn't have to fucking do you'd have

(57:20):
to socialize with anybody all season when it came to
the politics, I ran everything. I was making the deals
with people, I was making sure he like we were
good as a team.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
And all he had to do was show up.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
So I don't want to say that I wasn't happy
for him, because I was obviously, like I'm gonna be
happy for somebody who wins Seve hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
But he did you dirty, but he did me dirty,
and don't.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
Give me He knows that, and we've had our plenty
of conversations about us.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
So you're there every step of the way for Turbot time,
because you're there for war the worlds too. When he
then gets into the thing with Jordan, don't copy my walk,
don't copy my walk, he gets sent home, then you're
there also when he has a cup of coffee on
was it a ride or dies and you know, obviously
him and his partner an't getting along. It's not getting
along with the whole you or I believe there was
a scene where you were trying to kind of talk
him off the ledge and help him a little bit.

(58:04):
I think I remember this, Maybe I'm mistaken. And then
him and his partner are out almost instantly, because the
entire house is basically telling I believe it was Olivia
and Rassio, whoever was playing them, you guys basically willed
them to win, gave them all the answers. Then you
guys again arepaired his rivals on All Stars five, right,
and you guys have your ups and downs. There were
a couple blow ups between you two, but you guys

(58:26):
did fairly well. You had a good season, and now
you've also been on this season where you both do
very well. He's still alive in the final with his
partner Sidney, Like for someone like you who was there
when again you're questioning why was this guy ving Cassie
barely speaks English now, whether it's perfect English, he clearly
has learned a lot more. He's gotten a lot more
confident with the English, whether it's how he talks to

(58:46):
and treats his partner Sidney, or just in confessionals, having
the balls to call out CT in the kitchen and
everything like that. So I'd love to know having been
there for every step of the way with this Turbo
experiment being linked to him twice, but then also just
even on this season seeing Sydney have to deal with it,
how do you feel about Like you said that initial
casting choice you were kind of bewildered by, but now
having seen him still, like, do you think he has

(59:08):
a place in the in the Challenge world? Is he
still a fish out of water? And what do you
what do you think of him now.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
You know, it's interesting because I would love to see
Turbo on a season of The Challenge without.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Me, never had one, right he's around.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
I would love to see that only because I'm just
interested in seeing, like what would happen. I think a
lot of times too, what people forget is that, yes,
like we've had our fair share of ups and downs,
but at the end of the day, like I was
his very first partner. I was like the person that
helped him navigate his very first season, essentially got him

(59:42):
to the end and won. You know, I almost kind
of revert whenever he and I are together. I almost
kind of feel like I and I do this without
realizing it. I kind of revert back to like this
kind of like motherly figure for him, where like he.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Doesn't have like I kind of I always take care
of him. Is what I'm goning out? Like I always
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Know, yah, you know what I mean? Like the thing
is is like he's so smart. He is very smart.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Listen, and I don't care what anybody says. And I
tell him this, do not nowadays, do not think for
a second.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
And that's why he's That's why he was cast when
he couldn't even speak English for an American TV show
is because he's fucking really smart, so smart, and he
has sound bites like I'm not gonna punch him because
because that would be animal abuse.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
He's like, where the exactly?

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
Like when he was arguing with CT, I was just like, like,
where did anyone think this guy's English was bad? I'm like, like,
if anything, he knows how to, like, you know, assault
somebody with his words. At the very least, he knows
how to motherfuck somebody with their words. And let me
tell you this about the because you said that motherfucker, right.

(01:00:57):
I saw him eating a hamburger cheeseburger one time after
one of the it was the mini final. It was
the mini final, and they gave us like little like cheeseburgers, right,
and so we ate him on the bus and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Turboil you eating a hamburger. He's like yeah, man. I
was like, you motherfucker?

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Why does he not.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
We went when we got back to the house, he goes, Eric,
I know you did not mean this, but you cannot
call me motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
And I was like, oh shit, all right, I mean
you know, I was fucking joking around.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
That's what we call everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Yeah, so, but.

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
Like you know even you know, like it's it's it's crazy,
just like you know the things that he gets offended by,
and like, but again, he is so smart. That's why,
like he could get away and win a challenge on
an American TV show with all fucking English speaking people
and not speak a lick of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Like he's fucking smart.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
I'll tell you what that like when it comes to puzzles,
and I think, like, I don't care anybody says, like
you it takes a few brain cells to figure out
a fucking puzzle. The way that motherfucker figures out puzzles,
it is unreal.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Even like production has told me that before.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
They're like we still can't like wrap our heads around
how good he is when it comes it's but like, yeah,
he he people people think because he doesn't speak the language,
and that like there isn't a no, he is so
fucking smart, and yes, his English isn't isn't as bad
as it used to be.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
I don't care, and I turn out.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
If you're watching this, stop pretending like you don't know
what everybody's talking about, because you know exactly what everyone's
talking about and nobody's believing that shit anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
There's a lot of athletes of being accused of that.
And remember Anderson Silva now showhil Tani. They get to
pick and choose when they use the translator, and then
someone will be like great season. They'll be like thanks,
You're like what where was that guy? Okay, so we
do have to kind of running out of time, but
I want to want to get we gotta get We
got to get to We gotta get to season forty one, obviously,

(01:03:02):
but okay, so I want to ask you about this
next run you go on. Obviously Double Agents, Spies, Lies
and Allies, Rider Dies three finals in a row during
this period, though, I'm gonna try to tastefully mention this,
but I want to ask you what it was like
to have such a public, long form Challenge relationship because
you went from, as you said, like having a lot
of like you know, first dates with people, this and that,
you had your your roster of ex'es and things like that.

(01:03:25):
You had your fun, but then of course you fell
in love on the show before our eyes. The Challenge
loves a good Challenge love story. They love putting people
together after the fact, you guys very iconically had to
go against each other in an elimination live on camera.
Then we see you, of course come back for We
see Casey come back for forty without you. We see
you come back for All Stars five without her, but
you're still, you know, making the phone calls and things

(01:03:46):
like that. Then obviously you guys sadly decide to end things.
And now we have seen your comeback on forty one
as a single lady, and we know about your bathroom escapades.
But I'd love to know just to get your thoughts
on what that was like, because this was the first
time you had a really serious relationship. I know you
mentioned some off camera relationships that, of course the challenge
fans know nothing about. I'm sure that's a delight, But
when people know and care about your every move with

(01:04:08):
someone and are following it so closely, what's that like?
And there is there any sort of PTSD that comes
with that where it's like the next you know, time
out the gate, whether it's a date or a conversation whatever,
that you're kind of like, you're there's trepidation there because
of you've seen the stakes of having something so public
and how it affects your life on and off the show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
So, I mean the relationship with Casey obviously happened like
out of nowhere, But like as far as having a
public relationship, I do not recommend.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
I am just not like I am.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
I genuinely enjoy living a private keeping my private life private,
and that means friends, relationships, anything outside of the challenge
I like to keep to myself because I mean, if
you give it to everybody, people are gonna just suck it,
And like I just don't. For me, I just I
don't know how to explain it. I'm just I'm just

(01:05:02):
much better having my relationships, my private relationships, keeping them private.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
So to have it public, it was.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
It was different, but I think it was It was
okay because you know, she and I obviously like did
the challenge together.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Both crushed it. By the way, she wins one in there,
you make three finals in a row. Is there any
sort of is there anything tied to that? Like, you know,
were you guys beating off each other's energy and maybe
just on a social level politically things like that, because
I think it was.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
More politics than anything.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
We it was great because you know, not only was
is she a great competitor, But like we had the
same friends too, so it was it was nice to
to not only be in a relationship with somebody but
also be able to play the game with somebody and
to like, you know, have the work with the same people,
have the same alliance.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
And all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
And it was a name for that alliance, right, what
was it called the Vacation Alliance?

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
I believe that shit, but yeah, there was. It was
the Vacation Alliance.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
But yeah, we just had like the same friends and
like the same like group within the challenge that it worked.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
It lend What about so obviously vacation Alliance or just
alliance aside whether you're putting the name alliance on or
just friendships? What's it like having so many friendships that
you guys share mutually, some that you made together and
then obviously wanting to distance yourselves from each other. But
you have those friends, you have those allies in the
game off the game? Whatever is it hard? Kind of
like disassembling a group like that, deciding kind of who

(01:06:25):
gets who for lack of a better.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
Term, Well, to be fair, Casey and I haven't done
a season broken up, so it would be interesting to
see what that would be like. But at the same time,
I also know Casey and I are both mature adults,
and I know that when it comes to a game,
cases about her money. Let's be real, she's about her money,
and so am I. So I think that if we
had to suck it up and work together, we would

(01:06:49):
like It's not I don't think it's like that serious.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
What about like on the boats, if you will, like
on the vacation, like the proverbial vacations of the world,
like you know, is there any sort of you know,
like who goes on vacation with who? Now I guess
is one vacation alone.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
I'm going to have my own vacations. I'm good. I
don't need any of that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
You're the reason you called in that cruise getting canceled.
You're like, I am not with me. I am not
I signed up for this long ago. You're calling the bank.
You're like, check into this guy's finances. I don't think this.
I don't want to now here we are, okay, let's
get to forty one. So obviously such a great comeback
season for you. I joked it. It was like, you're
so there's this baseball player George Springer, he just had
a I think one of the best statistical seasons ever

(01:07:30):
aged thirty five or above. You come back and again
crushing it all season long. But of course you and
justin down the stretch, you barely barely miss out on
the final. But even from a character standpoint, you do
it all. I mean, you're like, you're the I was
it the famous Ashley Mitchell quote. She was like, she's like,
you don't want to love me on the show, I
fought I fuck a cry? Right, so you had the
Holy Trinity, my friend, No pun intended, because.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
I know that was that on TV? Or was that
on our podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
I think she said it on our podcast, A fuck
a cry. That's like the three athletes. That's like, you know,
I crushed it on the boards. I can you addition
assist and I can make TV you certainly, you fought you, certainly,
I believe got it in a little bit in the
fing department, and you cried a time or two. We
saw it down the stretch well, and and like dare

(01:08:15):
I say these last couple episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Like reality TV term if you're talking or fighting, you
and trying.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Right, if you ate fucking fighting and crying. Then you
ain't trying, that's it. Yeah, yeah, but like and especially
down the stretch. You know, this whole season, Derek and
I break down every episode and I've been begging someone
to make a move. You're finally one of you know,
bobbas mckaelin bought as well, one of the first people
to decide to make a move. It then leads to
a lot of uh fighting and crying and less fucking

(01:08:42):
sadly for you. But but so I just think you
brought it all all, all fifteen episodes you were on.
So what what went into this season mentally for you?
Because you seem to be with it, maybe not with
it at times, but in a good way. Like I
said as a viewer, So why did this season turn
out so well for you?

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
To be honest, I think, first of all, I was
just in a much better state of then I have
been in the past, you know, X amount of years,
and so I came into the season just really wanting
to compete and really just wanting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
To be there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
And I think maybe in like the last few seasons
that I had done, because it was like the tail
end of the era, like you say, maybe my my
heart just wasn't in it as much. You know iticed
and you do so many seasons after one after the other.
Not that you like the fight isn't there, It's just
it's just less intense. I guess I don't know, but
I think this season, coming back and walking in and

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being single and not having a real partner there or
even an X there was great. It was wonderful for me.
And then I also had like a really good group
of fronts. I had Leroy there, and I even had Ashley,
which I don't care what anybody says about Ashley.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
I fuck with Ashley so.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Hard, and we love her, we would like to fuck
with her more. Please give her our regards, you know,
I will specifically mine.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
And the thing is, Ashley gets a lot of shit
because you know, she's Ashley. But when it comes down
to it, like I'm not looking at Ashley based on
how she treats other people. I'm really based I'm really
looking at her based on how she treats me. And
in that game and in that season, Ashley was such
a good friend to me that like I would have
never ever turned my back on her no matter what,
didn't matter who was against her.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
I would have never turned my back on her.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
At what point did you? Did you at any point
think that like, all right, we're running the game. The
game is running through.

Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
Like it's me and Ashley sounds thought, And I did
a lot of thought. I was like, wait a minute,
where is all where all these moves coming from? Because
I looked downstairs. You lived upstairs. Yeah, in it like
the group that was making the moves was your room.
It was because you five would stick together. Obviously you
guys lose Anissa, but it could have been six had

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the emotions not come in.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Yeah, you know, and whatever, how whoever's fault.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
It was, that was the fight and in the cry
and check does boxes?

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:10:59):
But at some point it was like, wait a minute,
Ashley's figured out the numbers, despite the fact that like
Mikayla comes from a different place, Aviv comes from a
different place. Nanie and Ashley are holding strong together, and
then who was the fifth?

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
There's one more?

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Was Anissa, but then she no, there's one more up there.
Huh yep, it was me, Ashley. But we also bought
like I.

Speaker 5 (01:11:28):
Thought it was dep maybe for somehow d kind of
to say like, all right, you know what, five strong
or voting together the entire way no matter what. And
you guys all kind of came from different places, but
in the end, it was you and Ashley that were
going to be inseparable.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
What I think what it came down to was Mikayla.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
So Mikayla had like a I guess there was a
survivor alliance that we didn't know about. Obviously it was
Mikayla d for me, right, So I think because Mikayla
had what she had with us, that also kind of
trickled down to d and Sidney. And then you also
have to also remember Turbo is definitely gonna have my back,
so him and Sydney voting with us it made sense.

(01:12:08):
But what's funny, Derek is like you say that, and
we had no idea the entire season, Like people.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Were like, yeah, you're running the house. I'm like, we
didn't know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Like we genuinely were so nervous every nominations, like every challenge,
like we did not know that we were running it
the way that we were. We just we just played
the game, and we stayed loyal to each other, and
our people stayed loyal to us, and I think all
in all, it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Just worked for us.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
We talked about this, how crazy this is to say,
but with all the seasons you guys have done combined,
this was the first season that you ever played with
Derek your passive I know. So I'd love to get
you said this yesterday, but I wanted to say it again.
First I want to get your thoughts on playing with
Nanny and what she brought to the table, and then
I want to get your thoughts on Derek.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
I I think I said that like I found like
a I have like a new respect for Nannie because
all of these years, I've just watched you from Afar.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
We met some Vegas event or something.

Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
Years and years and years ago, but we've never like
like I mean, we've done it, we've done some challenge
many lives, but we've never done a season together. But
like watching you from Afar, like I just think that
you're just like a real person. I think that, like
just in the end, like you're real, You're cool as fuck,

(01:13:34):
and like like I see what the hype's all about,
you know, and like when you when you fucking stood
ten toes down or whatever, the I still don't know
what that means in that like verbal altercation with like
everybody kind of turning the you know, the the heat Ondrick.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
And she spoke on behalf of the Challenge universe that
was like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
The quote of my challenge history. This isn't big Brother,
this isn't Survivor, this is the Challenge.

Speaker 9 (01:14:06):
And whether I'm right or wrong, I'm fucking standing ten
toes down or ever you fucking said for like who
I am, and like how I've played this game and
like there was a few moves that you made in
this game, and you're like I have to make a move.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
I have to survive.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
I'm playing the game, and whether it was right or wrong,
like that's who I am. These are my emotions. I
felt bad for fucking having a votive even because I
have emotions.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
And a human beings.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Yeah yeaheah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
But what's funny is like when you guys saw like
Aviv crying about making the anissavo, everyone looked at her
like she was fucking you know, you know, committing a crime.
But then when it came down to like you, it
was like it was different, you know what I mean.
And then when it came down to like, you know,
other people watching you have these emotions. It's everyone's got this.

(01:15:01):
Everyone just has like a different way that they move.

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
And I think that the way that you did it
was the OG way. And it's different the way we
were raised and the way we grew up, and like
we come from different airs. I've never played person, never
played the game together.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
But like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
That baby Jackjack thing they were talking about early, right,
absolutely you care about baby Jack Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Absolutely care about Jackjack.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
Baby math math.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
And it feels bad when you go to someone's birthday
party or some some some you know, uh some loved
loved to challenge ones.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Fucking baby shower or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:15:35):
Yeah, and then you see him on a challenge and
you got to vote a different way, like it's it's
you feel bad now. I remember that was the OG
mentality was like and I've never used this, like, hey,
you're going in hand voting you in some more because
I always knew that like it can if I tell
them early enough, they can plot against me. Yeah that

(01:15:55):
was definitely, but but it's like that's it's like you
were you know, you wear your heart on your sleeve.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
You are who you are and like and.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
I've been that way my entire life I've been that
way since I started reality TV, and I'm not gonna change.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
I don't give a fuck if there's a camera my
face or not.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
That's why you're their first casting call is because you
do wear your heart on your sleeve and these these
you know and look. And there was a line in
that last episode where it's like Cedric was like, if
I can inquire for a moment, and one of you
guys is like, why are you sound like a robot?
Like and they were like, that's how he talks whatever.
And it's like the compartmentalization that a MICHAELA can make
that e Cedric can make did a lot of these rookies,
but even some of the newer vets like Michaela who

(01:16:35):
come from these other shows, who again, the end I'll
be all on those shows is they just vote you out.
On Survivor, they wrote you write your name, and you're gone.
On the Challenge, the one difference is if that person
then rips a pole out of Joss's hands, they're staying
and you're gonna have to deal with them the next day,
or you might have to deal with them the next
month at the baby shower.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
No, No, that I think you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
I think the point that I also was trying to
make when I said that, you know, this isn't Survivor,
this isn't Big Brother, this is the challenge. It was
more so like you can't play a shady game, and no,
you can play a shady game, but you can only
do it one time, one time, and then I'm gonna
see you again next season.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
I think that was what I was I couldn't really
articulate it in the moment, but I think that's what
I was getting at, was like, yeah, this is play
this game now like you can do on Big Brother
and Survivor, where you only see this people at one time,
but you're gonna see us all again next season and
people are not gonna forget that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
So I think that's what I was trying to get up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
So let's talk about like the shadiness.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
I want to get her thoughts on you real quick,
and then we'll move on Oh yeah, yeah, because yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
We'll say honestly, so yes, this is the first game
I played with you, Derek.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
I will say, you fucking held it down for the
VET guys, like one thousand person like every challenge. Don't
get me wrong, like Lovely Royal, CTA, everybody, but like
these guys, the VET guys, I mean, they just did
not show up like they were they were ready to compete,
And it was every single challenge. That was when I
really started respecting you. Was like every single challenge we did,

(01:17:59):
you went so hard in competition, like it didn't matter
if you're nee her or like anything, Like you showed
up and you performed every single time, whereas like some
of the other bets were like not giving it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
They're all And I think that's truly.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
That was when I like really like started respecting you
and like how you play the game because also you don't,
like you're not out like making deals and being weird
and stuff like I very much know where you stand
and I like that. You know, yeah we had it,
but also I really really respected you in every challenge,
Like it didn't matter what it was, whether your need
was hurt or not, you showed up and showed out.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Like I think that was really cool to see.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Did you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:37):
Yeah, we actually did make a move at some point,
and like I needed her to be that like stand
ten toes down on it because like I have emotions too,
and we both knew we were playing on opposite sides
of the house and with opposite like alliances. And you know,
I remember you and Ashley sitting there one time one
day and being like, Derek, you're sweet, but like we

(01:18:58):
know where you stand. We know you're voting with the
fucking UK Lions, and I'm like, I'm like, ma'am respectfully,
ma'am and mam. I played my own fucking game.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:19:07):
I didn't say it like that, but I tried to
say it like that without like, you know, like pissing
you guys off, because I was just like, all right,
these are two girls I really don't want to piss off.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
But the whole, like the whole, like THEO, you know,
voting like obviously that like the the whole.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
Once I got partnered up with D and then we
had to either choose between Leroy and America or THEO
and Adrian. I had been working with THEO and Adrian
the whole time, and D and you guys all had
been working with Leroy to protect him the whole time, right,
so I had that was a crossroad for me, and
at that point, like like like I needed because we

(01:19:46):
were one of the first votes, and like I accepted
the fact that we were gonna I didn't get in there.
I didn't want to vote in THEO and Adrian because
I'd been playing with that. But at that point, I
like I had to switch sides and I needed you
and Ashley to fucking stick.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Your ground, yeah and show that like no, yo, dude,
like we have your back too.

Speaker 5 (01:20:10):
We're together, so and granted, like later on as the
game got like harder and harder, like we see what
happens between you know, you and Aviv Kayla and will
what you know? I mean, shit got really fucking hary.
That was like baby shit compared to like the ship
storm you were in at the end of the season.
But it but like in the end, like like you

(01:20:32):
had played such a great game and like I saw
you as everything came from that room, you know, and
that we knew that eventually it would break. But like
Mikayla's new survivor, you know what I mean, like you
don't really know where she stands. The two people that

(01:20:52):
we knew were gonna stay together were you and actually
and that's why it filtered through. And then at some point, yeah,
you're gonna have to cut a viv off because you
doesn't matter exactly or they're gonna cut you off.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
But if the Eve and near Me were so strong,
who the.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
Fuck wants to run a final against them?

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
So let's rapid fire these next few Hopefully you're having
such a good time you'll join us again.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
But I actually I'm so sad that this is my
first time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
I was taken like forever because we needed to get that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Yeah, I want to get to some questions from our patrons.
They've been dying to ask you, guys. Question from Tracy.
Tracy says, what if anything would you do differently from
this season? And do you regret anything?

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
Yes, I absolutely regret telling Evieve like I should have
never done that. I think it was just so late
in the game we had been there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Is that what you didn't realize there was something they
could do or you thought that they wouldn't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
Out of respect to you for telling you no, no, no,
I I think I was so anxious that I wasn't
even thinking that way. I was all I kept thinking
about was like, fuck, I got fuck her over? Like
I felt bad about it because you guys, I really
genuinely like a vive like she's she's a great person.
I don't care what they show on the show, like
she's she's great ship.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
I really like I think it's bullshit, like that whole
fraudulent thing that like she's fraudulent because she's trying to
be just how she is.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Anyway, Sorry, no, no, no, I agree, I think again.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
It was just so late in the game and at
that point my brain was fried, Like I was super anxious.
It was like that time when I had to really
start making moves, and yeah, like it's like I never
want to in a perfect world, I don't have to
turn on my own fucking alliance, but I had to,
and it was something that I'd never done before.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
It was the first time I'd ever done that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
And like I just obviously I regret telling her because
I'm like, fuck, I regret telling her because I'm like, fuck,
it's totally fucked my But but.

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
Like like I don't know if you've done any more
like research into it, but like do you think that
you know, Jeremy would have still made move despite because
the word was was being spread, like they were talking
about the fact that you guys were going to they
knew that they were gonna get voted in it, or

(01:23:12):
it came from like so the other people.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:23:16):
Yea, in the moment, you were like really mad and
fixated that it was like because you told Aviv.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
But in reality, like Justin told Sidney, Michaela told yeah,
you know what I mean, Like, it wasn't just no,
it wasn't just me.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
Thank you for saying that, because I want everybody to
understand that the reason I freaked out on Mikaela and
Cedric was because I felt like I did their dirty work,
because you have to understand, like, first of all, after
that challenge, before that nominations, it was me, will Uh, Cedric, Mikayla, Olivia, THEO, Adrian,

(01:23:55):
every single one of us before we've been got back
on that bus, everybody had already determined and that of
even year we were going in, that's when THEO and
I made that deal. I was like, don't say, anyone's here,
It's fine. That ship was already set in stone. Everybody
was on the same page. So when it came down
to it and like my game was getting blown up,
like obviously because I said I told Aviv but like

(01:24:17):
I felt like I fell after that nominations, that it
was like I was public enemy number one and that
year me and aviv or whoever, everybody's looking at me
like I was the one who created this, when in
reality everybody wanted it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
I was just the idiot who told her, you know, yeah,
and then my game fucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
But well that, well that's what it looks like on TV.
All right, Good, that's because because that's how you're like
allowing us to perceive it as you know, like in
the deliberation, you're like, no, you're the fucking reason why
all this is happening. In reality, it wasn't. She's not
like that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:53):
That wasn't just like because you told her it was.
It's like, it's the scapegoat. It's like what p people
are perceiving it as. And I want you to know that,
like they're gonna know anyway. I think we talked to
me and she said she said that, like, yeah, I
talked to Jarmy about it, but.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Like you already know from the Sydney side, ye already
they already.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Knew, which I didn't see. I didn't even know that.
If I would have known, I would have never. I mean,
I still would have never said anything.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
All Right, this is Sierra, she says, not a question,
but love her or hater. Nanni brings the entertainment to
the show. Without characters like Nanni, this season would have
been boring af to watch. So and then Mindorella wants
to know, how is cousin Nicole? Where do you guys stand?

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
My cousin is so good?

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
So she actually so, she's married now, you guys. Her
wedding was great. She walked down the aisle.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
You played with her ironically, right are you? You were
like you were like alternates on the same Nicole.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Dude, she's great, Dude, She's yeah, no, we do.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
We were sucking. We were cool, but it was right.
Vendettas thirty thirty two.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
Yeah good, she's married. She has a baby boy now,
so she's doing so good.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
Honestly, like reality TV wasn't like her end game, like
she didn't honestly, I kind of sucked her into it.
And then but yeah, like she's doing so good. Her sister,
my cousin obviously just had another baby, so like everyone
just popping out babies.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
A couple couple questions about the season real quick, So
Gabe tries to stake a claim on you, he ends
up losing to Justin. Obviously for you, thank god, But
what have you run through the scenarios in your head?
And let's say he had beaten Justin and now you're
with Gabe. Do you think you could have continued? Because
again we talked about how important was your your your
social role in the house. You have the alliance going
now you would have this albatross of a partner. But

(01:26:39):
do you think you still could have navigated through the game?
Now having got like Gabe with, people are probably gonna
be scared to go against at the very least, So
walk us through the revisionist history of It's not E
and Gabe, It's not Nannie and Justin anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
Honestly, I believe in my heart that I can work
with anybody. So what I have chosen Gabe to my
partner ball Zan.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Could have been good to have Gabe for ball right, Yeah, so, I.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Mean, and gives a great competitor. So did his social
game suck? Absolutely? But if he was my partner, I
mean I would have just told him shut the fuck
up and I would have handled everything. Yeah, So it
would have been very much the same dynamic as Turbo
and I. It's like, shut up, help me win challenges,
I will do everything else kind of thing. And I
think that's how I work. I mean, I can work

(01:27:21):
with anybody, but I think in situations with people who
don't really have a good standing with people, I feel
like that's kind of where I feel like I excel
in is like, you know, I might not win every
challenge or a final, but like, if there's one thing
I can do is I can fucking get I can
get my ass through a fucking season.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Like I will do whatever I have to to get
through a season.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
So obviously we see it come to a head at
the end of the season with the vote and everything.
You and Will kind of come to a car crash
of an ending. But I'd love to know was it
good for you mentally to have that showmance throughout the
season and do you have any regrets specifically about that
or do you think it was good for you? Was
it cathartic too, like you say, come back on the
season single ready to mingle, to in fact, do as

(01:28:02):
much mingling with this one guy that you did.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
I do not regret that hookup with Will. The ending sucked. Yeah,
but like whatever it is, what it is, I don't
regret it. I had fun with him while we were there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
And what do you think about him as like a
future casting decision, because we've been going back and forth.
We talked about it with John Asja, like this is
such a heavy new threat cast or sixteen rookies, so
many of them stood out. They can't obviously all be
on forty one or forty two. Some of them are
gonna have to get on the cutting room Nor, which
is what we call the cutting room floor of the
fresh meters who were good but never get brought back,
Like Nor shouts to Nor. But so do you think

(01:28:38):
Will did enough? Because obviously makes it to the end.
He's a great physical competitor, but also brought the social
game both on and off the show. He's been out there,
you know, spitting hot fire on podcasts and whatnot. What
do you think about him? Do you think you will
see him on future seasons? No pun intended?

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
And do you want to I don't know if we'll
see him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
I don't want to say that I like do or
don't want him back? I mean I will say that,
like it doesn't really matter if he comes back or not.
I mean, don't give nothing against him.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
I just it would be nice for you though, if
they were like, now we're gonna cool. We'll give Will
a cool off season, right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Find somebody else?

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, knew me new bathroom.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Exactly what it is like.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
I would much rather not be there, just for me.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
We talk about how ironic and poetic it is though
that he lost and ends up going home in an
elimination that takes place in a bathroom after a season
of Bathroom Love. It's bathroom loss, isn't that. I wonder
if they thought of that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
I don't know if they Yeah, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Last question because we unfortunately do have to run and
go and do our live show today. But this is
kind of a we'll circle back to the season and
get some if you have more final thoughts on season,
Gabby says Nan he's a queen. Want to know overall,
what has been her favorite Challenge season to be a
part of and why.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
My favorite Challenge season would probably, honestly probably this one.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Nice love that for you?

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
Yes, right now, I feel like I just it was
in such a much better place mentally and emotional and
even physically this season that I have been in years.
So I feel like for me this season was super important,
like on a personal level. But yeah, I definitely think
this was a good season for me, regardless of I
don't care what happened how it ended, overall, it was

(01:30:25):
truly like I needed this season like for my own
like for my own reasons.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Okay, before before we fully wrap, Derek, because I'm sure
I don't know if you have any still unanswered questions
for her about this season that you think we should
wrap on fortune we're out of time, but again, we're
going to get you back right, this will happen again. Okay,
perfect hopefully, but go ahead, Derek, anything we want to
end on with season forty one.

Speaker 5 (01:30:45):
I kind of have like a final question about the
whole will of it all, because like you guys were
a part of, you know, the most heated deliberation that
we've maybe have seen in I don't know if there's
ever been a more heated deliberation where the emotions were everywhere,
Like you have this relationship between you and this and
this guy where you guys have been you know, fucking

(01:31:07):
fucking that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Just leave it there. That's literally what they were doing
right there. Stop right there.

Speaker 5 (01:31:11):
Guys have basically been boyfriend girlfriend the entire season and
then it comes down to like the most important vote
of the season, and then you guys can't get on
the same page, like what happened there?

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Like why?

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
And I agree with you that he said your name first,
which gives you validation to say his name, But why
couldn't you guys be like, yo, no, Jeremy did all this.
Jeremy is the one that fuck this all. It was
not even a VIV. I think you were like so
mad at a VIV and like couldn't he was probably
getting all like pissing you off, and you're like, fuck
both of you guys. Anyway, and he says your name,

(01:31:42):
but like count yeah crickets he hears crickets.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Well, I will say I was wondering, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:31:50):
Yeah, what Like why couldn't you guys get on the
same page. I know that like THEO had you swear
on your mom's life, which.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
That so that's what was that for THEO or also
the on Olivia?

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
So it wasn't for Olivia. I know, it was just
for THEO and Adrian.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Yeah, so why couldn't you guys throw in Olivia and Jurymaga.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
They did, so they didn't show that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Yeah, that was that was it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
So Justin and I were going to vote in Yuramine Olivia.
The only thing is is that so okay. Everybody's wondering
why it took me so long. It didn't take me
that long. Will was just impatient. But it took me
a second because I was doing the math in my head. Guys,
everything happened so fucking last minute as we were sitting there,
not only did my entire game get blown up, but

(01:32:35):
you know, now Will is fucking running up a mountain,
you know, and then now he lost and he's got
a whole new partner. So as I'm sitting there and
I'm trying to fucking figure out what the best case
scenario would be, I don't obviously want to send in Will,
but I also wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
Happy with the VIV, happy with the VIV, so I
was stuck there.

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
And then also I was trying to do the math
if we voted in Yarim and Aviv or I'm sorry,
if we vote in Earmine Olivia, are we still going
to end up it?

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
I was doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:10):
I was so many different scenarios were going through my
head in that moment that what it looks like, I'm
I'm sure it looks like.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
I'm like, you don't want to get can, you don't
want to get Conn the stale me. You'd rather have
the Olivia vote and the THEOVO and you guys make
sure you're.

Speaker 5 (01:33:26):
Not in that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
Yeah, okay, Like again, everything just happens like at once,
and I was just trying to do in my head
on top of being so upset and annoyed that like
it just all kind of just came crashing.

Speaker 5 (01:33:38):
But the bottom line is like he says your name,
Like he could have been like, all right, Jeromine Olivia, sorry,
you guys fucking did this or whatever THEO and Adrian
and then go I know you can't say, I mean,
well whatever you were going to do.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
But he could have still.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Aviv have said Aviv would not have said Jeremy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
I don't think you know Aviv was going to say
Jerymy wasn't going to say than.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
That, see, because like he could have gotten the wheels
in motion to be like I'm doing this, yeah you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Need to do this, yeah exactly. It just didn't it
didn't end.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Up being like, all right, funny, I could say it fine,
I'm gonna vote you in the okay, hey, look, it
ended with two episodes filled with fireworks.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
Obviously you don't get it done in the balls in
your season ends there, but a great season for you,
great season for Justin. By the way, chouts to Justin.
Thank you so much for joining us. For anybody watching
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Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
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Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
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