Ep. 503: Reunion Part II Breakdown IN FULL!

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
What's up, everybody?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
This is Scott Jeger here with another edition of Challenge Mania.
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Speaker 3 (02:01):
Mary Christman?

Speaker 4 (02:02):
And that's where we're about to take little Maverick to
see Santa here right after this. But yeah, it's one
thing that it didn't hit me until yesterday until I
just I realized that, like after what Johnny said about this,

(02:23):
you know about you know, maybe the Challenge moving over
to Paramount Plus and you know, whoever's going on to
season forty two better bring it.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Like this is like obviously.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
What we're hearing from Johnny, right, I would never have,
you know, come up with this unless we had heard
this out loud in the public that I just realized
that this may be the last.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Time we ever see the Challenge on MTV.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
It's possible if he's right. If he's right, it's certainly possible.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Yeah, And like I had this one picture where it
was like it was like everything like encompassed and why
I got on Reality TV and how I got on
the show was literally like the one message in my
head was like, I'm glad we got it on tape.

(03:14):
At least we got it on tape, And like everything
that we've done, even with Challenge Mania, is like, did
we get it on tape? You know, did we get
that moment at Challenge Man you live on tape? You know,
do we recorded even today? Even now as as I.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Do hear that. No, God damn, something's wrong with my speakers.
But anyway, it's just kind of like a.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
You know, a surreal moment to think that almost twenty
two years for me off and on the show uh
has been uh, you know on on MTV, and like
we grew up with MTV, like MTV was during our generation,
our era, it was like what we came home to
after school on TRL, you know, just you know, walking in,

(04:01):
like having having food, eating, watching MTV as we came home,
bevis and buy it all those years the grind Ericnice
that came before us and all that stuff like that's it.
It's like it's gone, and now the challenge may be gone.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, I don't know that the challenge is gone. I
personally I kind of have a different view of it because.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
I mean from MTV, gone from MTV.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
But the way you're describing you come home from school
blah blah blah throwing the TV, like that's been gone
for how the average person enjoys entertainment for the last
five years at least, if not ten years. Like when
when we post oh there's a new season, half the
comments go is this on MTV? The other half go
is this on Paramount Plus? The other one goes, where

(04:44):
can I buy this? The other one go No one
watches TV the same way. I want to know why,
because again, you have a network like MTV that's been
shown ridiculousness twenty three hours a day. There's no reason
for you to put the channel on except for that
one time a week, right, So people have stopped paying
for cable. People would rather buy the thing a la car.
A lot of people buy it on Amazon, A lot
of people buy it on iTunes or Apple.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
People didn't even know you could do that, and so
I think.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Like people still talk about ratings and things like that,
ratings don't matter as much because people are not watching
the shows the same way.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
So I personally don't.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
I mean, like three of your last five seasons were
not on MTV, right, All Stars one, two, and three
were on Paramount Plus.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
We covered them here, all the same.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I don't think they felt that much different, you know,
And I just think that having it in one place,
whether it's Paramount Plus or whatever, it's not, it's not
going to change.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
No. I get that their sentimentality, I guess, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
It's like it's like it's it's it's it's it's dead.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Right, Like it's almost it's almost like it's it's almost
like it you know, the Challenges is potentially going to
that was the last time you saw the Challenge on MTV,
you know, and and uh, you know, and I get like,
thank goodness there's a Paramount Plus because it's even better
because we have all these seasons from you know, I

(05:58):
think season nine or ten, all like you can watch
on Paramountlus. Like you can literally watch the history of
the Challenge on Paramount Plus, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
And if we got a little bit of the history
of the Challenge of this reunion too, I wonder did
you wonder why they ended it with that? Like do
you think that was kind of like a goodbye or whatever?
Like you know what I mean, that was an interesting
way to end this reunion. Was with clips from you
guys for your first seasons.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, but it was it wasn't like that much. I
think it was cool.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
You know, like like when you say vets and new
threats and uh, you know, like what's next? You know,
is it like vets versus new threats? You know, like
is it uh, you know, like.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
What do you do next?

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Other than like all I'm saying, I don't know if
it was an ode to like, I just think it
was a part of, you know, the reunion.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
I don't know if it you know.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Do you think it's the veteran aspect of it.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
I just think I think it would look go back
and look at someone twenty years ago and see the
difference and at the very least like they gave us
some kind of kind of love, you know. I mean
it was short, it was small, I mean it was there.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Wasn't much to it. I think you could have done
a lot more.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
But I think it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
I mean, like, to be honestly, that could be its
own reunion episode, could be you guys going back and
watching old clips and things like that, because, uh, it
kind of just scratched the surface. We got a little
bit of Johnny's insight on getting you know, losing in
the first elimination against Tyler, what that taught him about
his challenge feature. Then he kind of brings it back
in he uses as a way to compliment the new threat.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
So it was a great button to put on the
on the readion, I thought. But I just thought find
it interesting that if.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
That was the last My point is if that was
the last five minutes of the Challenge on MTV. It's
ironic that in those five minutes was you on the
gauntlet or whatever about the sexes and uh and Johnny
on the duel and you know a vivas Ashley banging
the ice bucket or whatever. So it's like, you know,

(07:50):
it's funny that whether they meant to do that or not,
that will be interesting to see if that does end
up being the last you know segment.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Uh, it was a fitting one. It was a fitting
set off.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
And and for like a lot of our audience that
has been has lived through the MTV generation, that wasn't
a part of the streaming you know, that was still
around like during VHS years, Like when I did road
Rules and they sent us the the the the episode.
They didn't send us like uh, you know like what

(08:21):
they do now the digital version, you know, Like I
mean like they would send a VHS tape and we
would keep it and that's how we would watch that
the previous episode.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Hey, you want to cut up on the previous episode?
Here it is.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
And even then the social media wasn't around to promote it,
so there wasn't like any reason for them to send it,
send it to us other than to like give us
like a gift.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I guess, yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
I don't think anyone no longer do people consider. Look,
you'll get the people who if you're if you're one
of these people who are still paying for cable and
don't want to spend another fifteen dollars on a stream
or whatever, you're gonna be annoyed.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Fine, But other.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Than that, like the gone are the days where oh,
being on TV is more important than being on streaming
or even on the internet. Like, if you're twenty years old,
you would rather the guy on Instagram who makes videos
of going into restaurants, going to your local restaurant, than
Guy Fieri make a segment for Food Network.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Like it's just a fact that that's just how it
is these days.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
So to me, the idea that it's on MTV, that
it's on TV, it really doesn't matter. Like we keep
talking about like these ratings and things like that, none
of that stuff really matters because like the amount of
people who do not ever watch it in a way
where it gets counted towards the rating is I mean,
a large chunk of the people that we speak to,
that write in here, that comment on our Facebook, that
come to our shows, and that's the fan base now right,

(09:39):
it's not you know, so it's not like an MTV
is not necessarily breeding the next group of young viewers anymore. Right,
the only people watching MTV at this point probably are
the older viewers of the Challenge who haven't cut the
cord yet. So anyway, we don't have to start a Samberno.
I look, I think it's going to keep going to
go back to your question about what's the theme going
to be?

Speaker 1 (09:59):
What do they do next? I don't know. They've come
up with.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Forty two plus themes already, so I'm sure they'll come
up with something funny that rhymes or whatever.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
But we're gonna keep doing what we do. That's just
what we're gonna do. All right, let's talk about part
two of the reunion.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
We gotta get real a logistical question here, because I
think we might have confused some people last week on
the podcast when we were talking about the way that
they do the reunions and how they film them over
two days and things like that.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
So let me get to I believe it's Ashley's question.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yea, Ashley says, watching part two of the reunion, it
looks like everyone is still in the same attire.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
It looks exactly the same from day one.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Did they show anything from day two or did they
just make the cast members look exactly the same on
day two? Just curious how it all works. And you
guys rock.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I don't think they want people to know there's a
day one and day two, right, like that's part.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Of the No, it's just it's part two, it's part two.
But we do film it in in two days wearing
the same clothes.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yes, And so for instance, I'd imagine there's probably stuff
in part two that was filmed on day one, or
things on part one that were filmed in day two,
and they want the ability to kind of edit it
together and put it out of order.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
That.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, the only reason anyone knows they shoot her over
two days is if you listen to our podcast. Not
that they would care that you knew, but that's kind
of just the way that you film anything is you
do things in the same outfits over a variety of days,
so that it all gets spliced together and you're none
the wiser as a viewer.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
That's just kind of how it is.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
That's also how they do the interviews now, right, Like
they have you guys pretty much wear the same thing
in the interviews now, so they also have that flexibility.
They used to you guys used to wear different outfits
and we used to make fun of everybody rocking the
same turtleneck with the necklace or whatever. And now if
that's what you wear on day one interview, that's what
you're wearing the whole time, right.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yeah, so yeah, yeah, And if you really, if you
really wanted to think about how that your question could
could be misconstrued, Like, if you think about it, This
episode starts off with our Part one ends with Turbo
and CT, and then it starts with Turbo and CT

(12:11):
in part two, and there's no way you know, day one,
day two, and it's a wardrobe thing.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
We leave our wardrobe there.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
And they they iron it, try to make it, you know,
look the same, and they take pictures of like any
bracelets that we wore in day one, and you know,
to make sure we look the same. So it looks
like it's just you know, filmed in you know, one time.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, So I love this.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Half of the reunion was in my opinion, a lot
more action packed, newsworthy than part one.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Do you agree with that? Did it seem a little
bit heavier?

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (12:47):
You know to me, it all just fucking runs the same.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
It's it like, I feel like because we covered this
all of these topics.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, don't let them know that, but podcasts of.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Room we we we, I mean we we cover a
lot of these topics and it's in depth, you know,
so like where you get you know, two minutes or
we get you know, two minutes of a of a
back and forth between you know, Mikayla and Olivia, which
is something actually we haven't talked to Olivia and Mikayla about.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I look for I look for.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Like things that we haven't you know, heard from people yet,
you know, like the Anissa and obviously Ashley drama, uh
in NONI drama are kind of like at the forefront.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, but don't you think like this that that that
that uh Anissa call and Casey thing. Right imagine like
you know, ten years ago that would have been broken
at the reunion.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Most people would have.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Found that out last night, But in reality, we found
out via Johnny Bananas podcast in October the day after
the reunion, when clearly this was very fresh in her mind.
She said it on stage, but then goes and says
it on the couch, and because that airs first, it's
I don't want to say it's old news by now,
because it was still cool to see it play out
in front of all of you guys. But like, you know,

(14:10):
the world has has kind of had a couple months
to process that information. A niece has followed up about it,
things like that, So you know, look, I don't want
to make too big of a deal of Beau. I
don't want them saying, hey, are these podcasts ruining the reunions?
But podcasts are kind of the new information dump system.
Whereas the reunion used to be, you didn't find out
that people were still dating after a show until you
saw the reunion, at least the viewer didn't, you know.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Yeah, I mean, like everything that we talked about, even
at the beginning of the podcast, like we've gone from
like VHS tapes and you know, the peak of MTV
to the end and death of MTV almost to like
what it is now, like it's all social media podcasts,
like it's all an extension of the show. But that's

(14:55):
that's kind of like what killed MTV, right is like YouTube,
you know, like it, you know, and all these other
you know things. So I'm not saying that podcasts are
killing TV, but it's it's definitely an extension of the.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Reunion still serves its purpose, right, It's just the only
time you're gonna get Turbo and CT in a room together. Otherwise,
obviously you guys get all dressed up, you look great,
et cetera. There are some combinations of people that you
probably aren't seeing together unless they're at a reunion. So
it's not completely I'm not gonna say it's completely obsolete
for sure.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Well like for example, like we had we just had
Adrian on the podcast, or she's coming out I don't
know when in relation to this podcast, but like, I mean,
she gave us so much information that we didn't see
at the reunion, that we didn't see on the show,
Like you get a whole completely new, you know, origin
story from this new superhero that we have who didn't

(15:50):
talk at all at this reunion, you know. But what
she gave us, the one big takeaway that I got
that maybe THEO has been beating on on Turbo is
that he's an act. They're like, Adrian really, you know,
made made it click for me. I'm like, is this
motherfucker really just acting? And here I am watching the
reunion as kind of like a companion piece to whatever

(16:13):
our podcast, our interview with Adrian and and the reunion.
I'm like, I'm watching Turbo from like a different point
of view now, you know. I'm like, Okay, he came
out with the cards, he came out with the microphone.
You know, he's mad, then he's not so mad, you know,
like he's like furious and not so furious. Like is
he like constantly thinking kind of like Johnny Bananas had

(16:37):
been at times like I'm on, like the camera's on me,
I need to put on this show like I didn't
see kind of Johnny Banana is like putting that on
this reunion per se. But like I feel like, you know,
we've called him like the put you know, him putting
the producer hat on, you know so many times in
the past. You know, like, is that Turbo now too?

(16:57):
Like does he just put the producer hat on and
you know, like make shit happen? Like is that who
he is? Is he really the you know, fake as fuck.
You know, is is it Derek f F or is
it Turbo f F?

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Now you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Is it like, you know, like Adrian really made me
kind of look at him, you know, from a different way.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, well it's funny. So she used the wordy actor.
Someone someone here wrote in a question. Is Turbo a
paid actor? We use the term producer when talking about Johnny,
But I think the word might be, you know, a
different word, but same purpose, which is is this person
going into business for themselves but also for the sort
of entertainment value of the moment of the show. And

(17:40):
are they kind of you know, saying things they don't
necessarily believe, starting arguments with people they don't necessarily need
to be starting because they think it's for the greater
good of whether it's their character or the show itself.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
So I'm with you that clearly.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I mean, like, I mean, look, we saw a clip
from his social media of him, i mean, Devin reading
with a straight face. Turbo, you posted something where you
were smashing theo's head into a table, and so it's like,
you know, it's it's working right, Like he was one
of the stars of this reunion, him and CT almost
get into it. We get the clip of you telling
CT you wouldn't have been able to handle that. You
would have went over there and fight fought him?

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Is that true? Like you would you not have been
able to control yourself.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
And because I feel like you you kind of get
that he's kind of doing it for stick, I.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Know you don't, not until again we listen to the
Adrian podcast companion piece right where I'm looking at him
from a different point of view. But Scott, you just
don't walk around call him people pussies and tell him
to shut up in like left and right without being
extremely disrespectful to the point where you do like he

(18:45):
would feel the same way if he does the same thing.
It's okay for him to call call call people pussies,
and well because it's it's pussy chicken, it's it's okay.
But like when THEO stands up in deliberation and goes,
you're all fucking pussies, he knows exactly who we talking to.
That's why Turbo gets mad because he knows exactly who
Theo's talking about. And he's talking about his friend who's

(19:07):
not backing him up for whatever reason. And that's and
and but you just can't, Like where I come from,
you can't just be calling people fucking pussies on camera
on TV, disrespecting you everything you are without like he
knows what it is to get into like what fighting
words are, and you just can't.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
I just don't. I think that's so disrespectful that like, yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
I think we would have gotten closer, it would have
gotten more heated, you know. But I do think that
the CT who who has you know, you know, taking
you know, literally punch people on the show and and
you know, broken down an entire house of people over
you know, being called something less like yeah, I give

(19:56):
him credit for that absolutely, like he's grown and he hasn't.
I'm not saying I haven't grown. I just think that
the argument would have gotten like I don't have like
the words to keep going back and forth with you
for that long before it's it gets you know, real
heated because the amount of disrespect that comes comes out

(20:18):
of you know, I still don't even think that he
knows that he's saying.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
The words shut up.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
In a in a an extremely disrespectful way, like he's
telling people shut up, like be quiet, like like you know,
like it you don't like you don't just tell people
shut up anymore, you know, And he doesn't know that,

(20:45):
I think, you know, but he's definitely taken that out
of context in an.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Extremely you know, rude way. And I don't even know
if he knows he's doing it or is he acting
or what.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, I don't know. It'll be interesting to potentially get
to talk to him. But it feels like he's kind
of always doing a bit, you know, like a version
of you know, I don't know, Sasha Baron Cohen or
you know, one of these people who's like they're always
kind of doing a bit. You never know how much
sincerity there is now. His is not for comedy's sake.

(21:16):
I think his is for like dramatic sake or like
altercation sake. But like it feels like he would know
how to tighten it up if let's say he was like,
I don't know, talking to the authorities or like doing
a serious job interview. I think he thinks that, like,
you know, I don't know the word acting, I don't know,
but you know, is it kind of like a version

(21:39):
of like a pro wrestling character he's doing.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
But if he says these things and all it does is.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Work, you guys up, and it makes for a great moment,
gets shown on the TV, and he still gets called
back like why would he.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Know where the line is? That's what I'm saying, Like,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
It is, and it's a it is a very weird
and gray line because like you know, in the world
of reality TV, and if you know it, like.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
That's what you do.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
You push people's buttons and to the point where they
snap and break and then you have a good TV moment,
you know. And if that's how you're wired, and that's
how you're programmed at thirty seven years old, because you're
going on TV show after TV show, TV show and
you're being rewarded for this behavior, then yeah, you're gonna
continue to do it well.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Also, he doesn't really have that much of a relationship
with you guys. He's certainly not seeing you guys often.
If he is, I don't, I'm not aware of it.
So you guys do kind of probably exist in this
like you know over here right this thing he goes,
he films it, he does this whatever. Then he can
go back to his little silo where he does his
little AI from Afar Okay, he sees people chirping about it,
but it's not like, oh, I got to see you

(22:43):
for coffee tomorrow and that's gonna be awkward, right, So.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Anyway, he's a continue you know, he continues to be
a very fascinating person. Here's another feud we saw so
and it wasn't just with one person, but so we
saw Mikayla get into it with with Olivia. We saw
quite a bit of Mikayla here. She actually posted something
on social media. I don't know if you saw this.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Oh man, she's been cooking on social media? Where's my phone?

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Her in THEO? Holy yes, So her and THEO have
really been going back and forth.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
But she's also been kind of been poking the old
pea bear, the old production bear there, because it feels
like she's had some issues with things that weren't aired,
you know, pictures that were you know whatever. Something something
about pictures she requested. I couldn't really follow what that was,
but it's something about like the pictures they sent and
her wanting more pictures. I couldn't tough that was her
THEO posting. But Chrissy wants to know because I did

(23:39):
see this post? Uh, Derek, do you remember what TJ
said about Mikayla? She sat on social media that he
complimented her and Sydney, but all we saw was him
complimenting Sydney. Do you remember what she's talking about?

Speaker 4 (23:52):
All I remember is how excited Sidney was when he,
you know, said that she was the best new threat.
That's that's all I Uh, you know, I can really
recall how giddy she was, you know, and that like
you know her, you know, her job is, you know,
her life is fulfilled now that you know TJ has

(24:14):
complimented her and this all that matters at the reunion
that she came there, So like that's that's all I really.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
You don't remember heard him saying something similarly about Mikayla,
Like was he asked about who else did you like
this season?

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Who else do you think I had a good season?

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Or he just shouted her out and then they cut
it for time or for clarity?

Speaker 5 (24:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:32):
I don't, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
I don't remember. Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Uh, there's some rapid fire questions, so uh bye. Bobby says,
now that the season's over, Derek, can you rank this
season compared to other seasons you have been on.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
For me personally, like from a competitive standpoint and being
able to do cool ship standpoint, Like I I felt
like I got to do a lot of cool things.
That's you know, this is one of the reasons why
I come to the challenges to get to you know, uh,
you do things that you know, people only dream about
doing in their dreams, like you know, you know, you know, climbing,

(25:08):
you know, climbing up this thing, jumping in there, almost dying,
Like I I find a thrill out of that. I
think the whole game was pretty cool where you had
like the different partners and uh, and then at the
end there's a there's a point system and then there's
a draft like I like, then you had your permanent partner.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Like I like that. I thought that was cool. You know,
where is it ranked? I thought that, Like there's a lot.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Of drama, you know, from you know, beginning to end,
a lot of different types of drama.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
You know, So where does it rank?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
You know, I want to do this rank We don't
know with the rank it with the last five, So
rank it with forty and the three all stars.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Well, see, so forty was forty in the All and
so my last five is that what you're saying?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
So, yeah, starting from All Stars one through this season,
those five seasons.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Yeah, I think that that was pretty cool, like for
me just based on like how I did. I feel
like there's something about All Stars one that you know,
really you know, brought some new like life back to
the challenge. So like as fun as that was, but
it just wasn't as competitive as I'd like it, you know,

(26:18):
so the extreme, the extremeness was what was was different,
you know for me. So I would almost say, like,
I don't know, forty one, forty four, they're interchangeable. Forty
forty one, I don't know. Forty was like a pretty
cool season for me because of the eliminations, and forty one.
Forty one was kind of a better season because of

(26:40):
the you know, the the extreme things that we got
to do. And then All Stars one was like the
was was a lot of fun. So that's kind of
how I would say those are like probably like the
top three, but I do like the main the main
the main shows.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Okay, Yeah, Now, so Brian wants to know he's trying
to get in a little trouble here. It says what
new male threat at the reunion. Did Derek think was
an asshole in Amsterdam or during the season and why?
But has to pick one.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
It's hard to say who was an asshole like at
the reunion. It's hard to say anyone was an asshole
at the reuniate.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
It's like who was an asshole to who?

Speaker 1 (27:23):
You know?

Speaker 4 (27:24):
It's it's almost like that. It's like, it's like, you know,
was was Gabe an asshole.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
To to me? No? Not not, not at all. Was
he an asshole to any of the women?

Speaker 1 (27:32):
No? Not at all.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Uh was he an asshole to somebody?

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Who? Was he an asshole?

Speaker 4 (27:40):
No?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
What makes you go, Gab?

Speaker 4 (27:43):
I can't believe they didn't. I can't believe him run.
There's a lot of stuff that was caught out too,
not think about it. There was there was some like
you know, gave frolic Gab with the with with his
female cohorts like they didn't. They didn't a female co horts.
I don't even know if that's a that's the right
way to say it. But had he had some like
love interests? We didn't get into Gabe's love interests.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Let's get into it. Let's get into him now. Who
who were they?

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Oh, man, he I think he mentioned them at uh,
you know, on Somebody's fucking I think the Challenge The
Challenge Official Challenge Podcast, I think he mentioned.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
I think there was some a's. I think it was
the a's.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
It was like.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Ashley remember that.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Uh, you know, I think a lot of it was playful,
but you know, I and they just they didn't dig
into it.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
I don't know why, but by the way, I.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
Go ahead, I thought, Man, at some point, you know,
Sidney did have to answer the hangnail. Uh. They gave
it to her again, the hangnail, and she answered it
and it was like who needs to go to the
retirement home? And she she who needs to retire? Which
which male should which person should not be called back

(29:01):
to the Challenge?

Speaker 1 (29:03):
And dude, you see this what?

Speaker 4 (29:07):
No?

Speaker 1 (29:07):
The Official Challenge podcast is coming to an end.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
After nearly after nearly two hundred and fifty episodes, MTV's
Official Challenge podcast is coming to an end. In a
very special episode, Devin and Davon reflect on part two
of the reunion, this season, if Vets, the New Threats,
and the entire podcast. Thank you to all the listeners
for an incredible five years.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Joel Herman wrote in about this. He said, maybe I'm
related to the reunion, but I didn't. I didn't I
have this, so I didn't read this question. But now
I see this on Reddit. Yeah wow, well.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Hmm okay, well I'm sure. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Look, we know what's going on with the company and
everything like that, so maybe this is something that unfortunately
was a.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
It's a type of it's Ai.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Some would say it's Ai Scott, just like TJ and
and uh, Julie Chen taking what do you mean nothing,
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, this is real because he
wrote in about it because he had listened to it,
and then this.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Is on the beginning of this podcast. Makes so much
more sense now, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Well let me see if.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
Even though it hasn't been around for that long, I
just I just know two hundred and fifty.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
You know, it's so funny. Can we be HONESTO?

Speaker 2 (30:29):
This just goes to show that, like, so we just
had you know, episode five hundred or whatever. But like
I keep joking, it's like even if you look like
on you know, Spreaker, it says there's a thousand episodes
on Spreaker and then obviously a lot of our episodes
are exclusive to Challenge Maniacs dot Com. But like, so
they got two hundred and fifty episodes in in in
however many seasons they said they so they said it
was two hundred and fifty episodes. Uh, since oh, five years,

(30:55):
they said, incredible, five years?

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Five years? Was it twenty twenty? Really? Is that when
it was? Wow? Because maybe they did start it with
all stars? Is that probably it? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (31:04):
I remember them asking us about ours, and well, you know,
here's the direction.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Here's a little tea for you. You want to go
official Challenge podcast te Uh. When they were workshopping it,
I believe it was supposed to be Wes.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, I know that.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, and he's the one who gave me that. The
first I ever heard about it was through him because
he was telling me, hey, look they're starting to stay
and I remember we're going back forth the words, oh no,
what's gonna happen? And then he got pushed out because
somebody probably said, look, hey, why don't we have two
women do it?

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Or whatever is probably what happened.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
And as you know, two hundred and fifty episodes, there's
never been a dude on there. So let you know,
obviously as a guest, which is fine, by the way,
all good with that, but but so.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Well, that makes it different. It makes it different.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Let me tell you something, Derek, by the way, while
everyone is listening, but i'd be telling you this privately.
So and by the way, when they announced this podcast
official Challenge podcast, and by the way, congrats to do
Devin and Davon and Anissa and Tory and everyone who
made that podcast great uh and hosted it over the years.
But I remember at the time a lot of people
writing us, Oh, are you guys upset they didn't ask

(32:16):
you to do it? You being like, oh, man, I
kind of wish that would. And what did I say
to you? I go, Derek, I go, I go. Trust me,
you do not want to be because because what just
happened today, they decided that no more. Right, guess you
could like you and I are never gonna do that,
you know, all of a sudden, O, we'redone.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
That's not gonna happen when you work for the man,
right when you when you work, when you're a host
of another show, it's possible those people say hey, no
more show now, don't get me wrong. Is it possible
that Devin Devon, Anissa Torri whomever start their own shows?
Maybe they should, uh, you know, probably and hopefully. But
that's why when you're when you're beholden to another conglomerate deciding, hey,

(32:54):
do we need to you know, snip snip snip, it's
possible that they go, hey, is this something that we
should still be funding doing or is it necessary?

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I don't know, but it's an interest. I mean, look,
I wish I knew more about it because I feel
weird talking out of school. But apparently they talk about
it in today's episode, and I'll try to find out
more work. Hey, Devon's going to be with us. I
think Devon's doing another podcast this week, so maybe I
should talk about it on that. But we are going
to have her in New York, so if we haven't
gotten more details on it, then maybe i'll ask her

(33:23):
live on stage.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Here in New York. Hopefully that doesn't talk her out
of coming.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
But I can't believe it. That's that is on the.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Heels of this because because because what's crazy is you
mind have said, like how crazy it is that they
just finally got the idea to put their podcast host
as the host of the reunion.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
It legitimizes both things, right.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
It legitimizes all the interviews that were done on the
podcast by having that person then have that information to
host the reunion, and then the reunion becomes an ad
for said host and said podcast.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Right.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
So literally on the last episode is when you I
mean it. I mean it's just look a.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Look.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
So I always when they came out with that name,
the Official Challenge Podcast, I always said to myself, well,
we are the unofficial Challenge podcast.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
That's fine.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
You have the name, you have the billboards, you have
the uh, you know the commercials on MTV.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
We will we're the little mom and pop shop.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
But let's not make it us versus them.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
But but but but let's like yes, but but I'll
say this Survivor just started one as well, a couple
of seasons ago. That's hosted by Jeff Probes, and every
episode starts with hello, welcome to on Fire, blah blah blah,
the only official Survivor podcast. And every time he says that,
I think about how it's like, what's the what is
the point? Like, like, like do you really think there's

(34:49):
people out there who for whatever reason think that like
Rob has a podcast and his million episodes that he's
done with a million different cast members. You know that
that that the fact that that isn't the official that
somehow makes that.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Less than your podcast. I don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I listened to the Jeff Probes podcast because you get
a lot of nuggets and kernels of information from Jeff
that are very valuable. So but the way he says
the only official survival, like as if being official somehow
makes you better or worse or whatnot. Like that, that that,
I think is is what's funny about it because when
it comes to first of all, when it comes to
critiques and journalism and covering things, unofficial is almost always,

(35:25):
in my opinion, slightly I don't want to say better,
but slightly you know, more authentic. Right Like when when
you go to a bookstore and there's a book and
it's the you know, the official guide to whatever, You're like, oh,
that sounds kind of cool, But you know what sounds
really cool the unauthorized history with the caution tape on
it that says, you know, this is the story you

(35:46):
don't want to know. You know, what I mean, Like,
that's kind of always I think the angle that viewers
and listeners want from bonus companion coverage. You know, but hey,
this is what I always say to people. Well I
don't want to say that part, but but that being said, uh,
Devin and Davon did an awesome job and uh they

(36:07):
uh everything good on your end?

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Are you good? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Oh no, I probably just lost you for like maybe
like yeah, fifteen seconds there. But I say about Jeff props,
this is this is the truth about him, right, like
he has been there from the very beginning, right, yes,
so so like but he's not like he and he
knows probably more, most likely more information than anybody.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
He's on the ground.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Shit, I don't even know you asking people, right, But
but like before him, before before he started breaking it
down like someone else was breaking it down, right like
Rob has a podcast has been breaking it down, like
like you know what I mean, Like I don't know, Like, well, well,
it's hard to do.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
I get it's hard.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
I guess I understated it's hard to do to like
innit that like, yes, you were like you you you
were at work for fucking twenty plus years creating this game,
making the game as legendary as it is, but at
some point you had you were doing that and someone
else was breaking it down with guests like I'm not

(37:11):
saying it's official, what's not you know, Like, well, Jeff
is the only one.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
It's like, yeah, you're the only one.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Hears you are the only one. Here's all.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
So the Official Challenge podcast, which again two hundred fifty episodes.
I would say when someone starts a podcast, call me
when they do ten of them. Two hundred and fifty
is a lot. So they definitely stuck with it. They
obviously had different iterations, different co hosts and whatnot. Recently
they settled into it seems like Devin and Devon who
were really getting their strides. So it does it does

(37:42):
suck that they decided to pull the plug for whatever reason, right,
But I think that and from the start of that,
I kind of always felt like, why do they want
to have a podcast?

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Why do they have a podcast? Well?

Speaker 2 (37:53):
I think it's because come cut to twenty twenty twenty
twenty one, every sort of large company was thinking, oh,
we need a if this is a show, it should
have a podcast.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
On HBO. All these shows now have their own podcast,
Game of Thrones with the House of the Dragon succession.
All these shows now have a podcast. There's a whole
podcast arm of HBO. I know the guy who runs it.
He used to live in my neighborhood. Great guy.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
They literally produce podcasts with the people who make the
shows talking about the shows after the shows. Now that's awesome,
and the fact that these are the companies that make
the shows make it a lot easier for them to
get guests and things like that. And it definitely has
its own place in the world. But it is never
going to It is never going to replace wanting to

(38:38):
hear people talk about something from the viewer's standpoint or
from the insider's standpoint or the journalistic standpoint. It's never
going to replace that. That's always going to be its
own thing. Now, having a podcast that corresponds with the
show put on by the show becomes an extension now
of the show. I look at the Jeff Probes podcast,
which they rarely have guests, but like for as like

(39:00):
a kind of oh, this is going to give me
more information than maybe I didn't get from the show,
but from the show. So it's going to be the
information that the show wants me to know from the
mouth of the host of the show, who also executive
produced the show. I then can then go to another
podcast and listen to those people talk about what Jeff
just said on his podcast. Right, that's kind of whereas
the official Challenge podcast. I'm not saying this should have

(39:23):
been the way they did it, but it was never that.
It was never justin boot being like, hey, welcome to
the Efficial Challenge podcast today, I'm going to tell you
exactly what we did to rig that mountain.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
That was never what that one was.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
It was always Devin and Davon or Tory and Anissa
talking with different guests on the show, similar to our
interviews and other podcast interviews and Zach and Johnny's and
things like that, we're all kind of doing the same
thing here. But since it was done through the eyes
of the show, it always felt like an extension of
the show. The storylines they want you to know, the
stuff they want you to talk about, which you know,

(39:55):
I'm just going to say, that's always been what's on
the show. People go to podcasts they want to hear
will say that other dumb thing that no one would
have let him say on the show, or they want
to hear Nannie, you know, go nuclear on Anissa on
Johnny's couch, or they want to hear whomever say the thing.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
That wasn't said on the show.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Now, over two hundre and fifty episodes, they got a
lot of that stuff out of people too. Don't get
me wrong, but it always kind of feels like an
extension of the show, because that's what it is, and
it's extension of the show.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
So to be honest with you, I have no idea.
I haven't read up on what the reasoning is here.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Maybe they're just gonna rebrand it and who knows that
this is all kind of fake news and in the
next season it'll be just called something else. But I
wouldn't be surprised. Here's my I'm I know absolutely nothing.
I literally just read this on Reddit. But if I
was them, this is what I would do, Okay, especially
since she just crushed it on the reunion.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
You see, she's a great TV host.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I saw her she was doing some night court show
or something like that as well. She guest hosts for
Wendy Williams. She's a TV professional, right You remember their
podcast for two andundre and fifty episodes, has never done
a single minute of video right, which for me is
hilarious because here we are doing video just to kind
of keep up with the times, and you have this
huge company behind their podcast and they don't do video
clips for whatever reason, whereas they have a TV studio

(41:08):
behind them. How and you're owned by iHeartRadio. How can
you not be doing video? So what I think maybe
they're gonna do, and maybe I'm wrong, but here's what
I would guess, because I've always been begging shows to
do more of this is like, let's say forty two

(41:28):
is airing on Paramount Plus, right, why does in every
episode have an aftermath style after show hosted by Devin Simone.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Maybe Davon if she wants to play as well, but Devin.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Simone, similar to how they had on All Stars, where
it's basically weekly reunions. You don't have to be beholden
to one guest. Maybe you have a few, some can
be remote, some can be in person, whatever. And that
also exists not only on Paramount Plus, but something you
can get on your podcast players and things like that,
and it has a completely different name, might not even
be called a podcast.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Who knows what it's going to be.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Maybe that's where they're on with it, you know, because
I think like all these shows are missing out on
all this additional content, like the Survivor reunion now is
something they tape right after the season ends live on location.
Why are they not also additionally doing a fun little
reunion episode that Arizona Paramount plus a few months later.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Why aren't they doing random cast reunions with all you
guys that go I mean, like, I mean, these are
pretty low cost things that could be driving people to
the thing where they have to pay fifteen dollars. So
I'd imagine at some point they go, hey, these clicks
are not really worth that much.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
You can only sell so many Brooklynen sheets. You know.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
They're probably it's you know, when it comes time to
slit slice the budget, those are the things that get
cut sometimes.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
You know.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah, you look.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
The One of the other reasons why this podcast exists
is because the same thing back back way back when
during Ultimate Challenge Radio I go. Basketball has a podcast, football, baseball,
every sport has a fun WWE has a podcast.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Why doesn't The Challenge have a podcast?

Speaker 4 (43:01):
That's how That's how the inception really of the Challenge
podcast began.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
But but those are all the ones you're talking about, though.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
The best basketball podcast is like Bill Simmons, the best
WWE podcast is Dave Meltzer or whomever you listen to,
gip whatever.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
They're very infrequently the one.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
You know, the NBA podcast hosted by you know whomever,
you know NBA person. You know what I'm saying like that,
you know, that's kind of what started podcasting was companion
content put on by independent people that. Don't get me wrong,
you're you legitimize this podcast by being a cast member.
Johnny legitimizes his zactly, legitimizes his, Devin and Davon very

(43:41):
much so legitimized theirs.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
The official Challenged label.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Does not in any way that actually, in my opinion,
draws listeners to it the same way Jeff calling it
the official. What what draws people to Jeff's podcast is
this is Jeff Probes giving you a fucking inside information.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
It being the O.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
You don't have the official anything like you are official
Jeff saying, Jeff Probes, is.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
That is enough, exactly right, exactly.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Like that's good, You're done.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
It is it is funny but okay.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
So by the way, shots last night, we Lindsay and
I went to the Survivor finale party. H Jay Mitchell
came for a little bit. But uh, but shouts to
Bryce and Wendell who threw a great shin dig and
everybody who said hello, there was some challenge maniacs there.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Some people come to our shows.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Shimbo was there, so yeah, shout out shim own and
uh it was a great time. So and congratulations to
the uh winner of Survivor forty nine.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Spoiler alert if you want to fast forward aired last night.
Sorry Savannah, who tied the elimination record and is now
going to play on fifty alongside your girl d and
another guy from the season, Rizzo, young guy from New York,
Albanian kid, never won a single immunity, but he did.
Uh he did, like you know, have a great social game,

(45:00):
great on commentary. So Rizzo and Savannah from this season
are going to play on fifty, which of course we
know has already been filmed.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
And will air in mid February.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
So this is all to say the challenge is probably
on hiatus for a little bit. You and I have
to have conversations about what the hell we're gonna do
during the offseason here, because obviously we're gonna keep the
interviews flowing.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Let us know who you want us to interview. But
as far as like, are we going to cover some
old seasons things like that.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Does this not make it now? Challenge Mania Awards season,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
We have one hundred percent January, good point January. We
will donate most of our time to the Challenge Mania Awards.
So for those of you guys new here, every year
we do the Challenge Mania Awards, we cover the seasons
that aired that year, which means we are going to
be comparing All Stars five to season forty one. We
have categories like Rookie of the Year and Elimination of

(45:50):
the Year, Challenger of the Year, et cetera. All that
voting will go down at Challenge Maniacs dot Com. Sometimes
we have it where you have to be a patron.
Sometimes we have it where you know, we'll we'll see
how we'll be announcing it in the future, but that
will be January, correct, the Challenge Mania Awards.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
All right, Look, we've talked about the death of MTV
and and and some of their companion pieces already, including
the challenge in some ways. Let's go, let's talk about
the season four. Let's talk about this reunion a little
bit here. I gotta tell you, I'm looking at this
Mikayla and theo beef. Yeah, that ship is fucking real

(46:26):
and it's deep, and it's it's.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
You know what he wrote, you know he wrote about her.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
It's hard to look at.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
You know, you saw what he wrote there, and I
I this makes me nauseous saying this, because it's hard.
I've heard this, I've heard this from them specifically, so
so now that he put it out there, so and
so maybe we we should obviously again if it sounds
weird coming from two white guys, but I know that

(46:53):
they feel they feel as if she does not love
their the interracial element of their relationship, and his words.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
You have to use his words.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
That's how you do That's how.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
You read it.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Read this is what the put in his I mean,
he was going he's been going off.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
On marine, specifically the one on the bottom left of
that one.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Okay, uh okay, Well, first he takes a shot, yeah,
this is he takes a shot at her, at Mikaela's
Instagram post, which is just a bunch of which is
a bunch of which is pictures of I believe people smiling,
and none of her smiling. I think that's what I'm
getting at. This is this is his quote. This is
his quote on his Instagram story, MTV can you photo

(47:40):
shot me smiling? Because I only just realized I'm I'm
a measurable self hating woman who blames everyone but myself
for my my low self esteem. Best regards Mikhaela. Ps
I hate interracial couples. That's him what he wrote right there.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
And then that was the response to her. So she
posted a thing where I think she was asking them.
He was asking them, Hey, can you send me some
better pictures of me? Look at all these great pictures
of everybody else, the ones you sent to me.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
I'm not smiling and this and that. I think I
think that.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
There's a post by Mikayla.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
It says, note to self, never pro create with a
man who is obsessed with another woman.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
And you can imagine she's probably talking about to them.
But so there Look, there's a lot of bad blood
between the three of them. We saw a little bit
of it with her and Olivia and the reunion. But
I can say, because you just put that there. I've
they've said this to me in the past, that they
feel like she does not like them because she does
not like them as a couple, and that that is

(48:37):
the reason, and that's why he put that in the caption. Now,
it is not our place to talk out of school
and make assumptions, but that is clearly how Olivia and
THEO feel. They feel that she gives them that vibe.
If she hasn't flat out set it directly to them,
maybe she has. Uh, but we can Again, I'll feel
really awful doing it. But I'm happy to ask Mikayla
about that because and first of all, to go back
to the smiling of it and this and that, we

(48:58):
were just with Mikayla in in Tech this last weekend
and when she finally got there because she thought it
was at night and so she got there a little late.
But she, I mean, she's great, she's she's a delight
so and look, she is very all be honest, she's
very intimidating. Right, she does have a bit of an
aura to her in a good way.

Speaker 6 (49:13):
Right, I don't think she is I've never gotten that,
like since, like I've just me and her, the way
we interact, I've never gotten that like that.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
She's she's very goofy with me, very nice and light hearted.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
I mean she gives she gives me like what I had. Well,
first I asked her last or two years ago when
we were in Dallas. She came to Tina's house and
we were eating like lunch, and I go, are you
former military? And she goes no, she goes, I'm a
what sounded like a right, And I've never been able

(49:54):
to unsee that after that, like she just that's that
that then that's the vibe that she's she's given after that,
She's never given me this like also this like great
competitor vibe. Like until I was like, oh my god,
she's just dominating everything.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
She was very survivor.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
Yeah, in like normal conversations, like I get nothing but
a like a sweetheart, right, But then it's like this
the bad blood that's that has happened between them, and
I'm all about like people, I'm not all about it.
But like if two people don't like each other, like
I get it, Like it's okay to just not like
each other, to not like each other.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
I mean they were literally on it couldn't. It couldn't.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
The game couldn't have been set up easier for Olivia
and Michaela not to like each other.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Because opposite sides of the house, opposite.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
Alliances, you know, to two females that are like at
the top of their games, Like obviously they're gonna be
fucking headhunting for each other. But I want to start
to getting all personal in this ship, like you know,
like this is going deep, this is going really well.
I don't like either one like you just also like yeah,
theo's going way too hard and also like MICHAELA shouldn't

(51:12):
be mentioning like you know, uh kids again, like you
shouldn't pro create, Like that's just now you're going into
the baby like it's it's here's, here's here's There was
a mention not nice.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
You know, by the way, do you like so the
one little tweak I would have made so or maybe
maybe this was always their intent, but so they you know,
had these what's the what was it called?

Speaker 1 (51:36):
I think they called it this. It wasn't a stake acclaim?

Speaker 2 (51:39):
What was it a hangnail right where they would give
a tough question to somebody and the reunion, and then
they would be able to pass it off if they
wanted to. And half the time I wanted the person
to not be able to pass it off. I wanted
to hear what they had to say, but they often
passed it off right, And uh so that's one tweak
I would have made. Wouldn't let people pass it off,
but unless the intent was to have them essentially randomly
pick a person. But one of the questions was who

(52:00):
who talks a big game on social media and but
doesn't in person or whatever. Now I think the missing
piece there that would maybe not accurately describe THEO as
doesn't do it in person, because THEO also does it
in person, but THEO definitely does. We talk about the
people who kind of go for the juggular on social media.
We always used to say that, like, these are the
people like we would always be like tiptoeing around. We'd
be like scared shitless of getting on their bad side

(52:21):
because they would go from like harmless thing to like
I would rather die than come on your podcast or whatever,
or mentioning kids or mentioning is that Theo's kind of that.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
But he's also but he's also like protecting his his woman, right,
Like that's the other side of this, is like he
is a baby with this woman, he's protecting her. He
feels like, you know, there's like that. Michaelo really doesn't
like you know, Olivia. I don't know if I get
the whole Olivia really doesn't like Michaela. I'm not like

(52:51):
getting the end of this Mikaela versus Olivia.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
You know, brewery.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
Brewery, it's not a rivalry. It's like a brewery, right, brewing,
it's brewing. It's not like a beer brewery. It's like
a brewing.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Val something's brewing. It makes it a brewery. So their
their rivalry is a brewery.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yeah, I get it, Okay, And and uh, the way
it ends is is is.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Olivia saying, you know, you've been hostile towards me, and
Michaela says the only reason you feel like I've been
hostile towards you is because you've been hostile towards me.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
And then she's like, all right, I'm done. I can't
this is it? Yeah, Okay, that's it. That's that's it.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Olivia walks away from it because it you know, there's
no admission from Mikayla having like a distaste for Olivia
and and I think that's where you know, she kind
of washes her hands with it and goes, Okay, then
I give up, like you I felt.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Like you were did not like me, you know to
a certain degree.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
And uh, you know, MICHAELA is like, well, the only
reason you feel that way is because you feel some
type of negative way towards me.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
And there's there's no win there, no one wins here.
It's just it's it's over, you know.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
And I think that if they are both fine, you know,
going in their separate directions, except THEO is not fine
with it, and he's gonna protect this woman. And that's
kind of what you know, you're you're you're seeing now. Well,
she was great, you know at Challenge Mania. It was
interesting to see Challenge Mania live Dallas, Like it was
interesting to see the hug between you know, Mikayla and

(54:36):
and and CT and Carl was there and we got
a hug there. I got it on tape, so you know,
I'll be posting that later along with the onion that
uh that uh Carl was felt if.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
People want to watch that.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
By the way, so the full audi and video of
Texas is up at challengemaniacs dot com. Do not know
when it will be going up on the main feed,
So if you want to, if you have major fomo
from what many people are calling her best show of
all time, Tina, Kara, MICHAELA, Jeremy, Justin, CT, Derek crowdsurfing
and kick the thing off, go to challenge maniacs dot com.
Sign up at the maniac level or Bubby can watch it.
It's all up in about one hundred and fifty minutes

(55:11):
of video.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
You can check that out.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
You can also watch and listen to our Adrian podcast
and interview that's up early over there again, probably hitting
the main feed next week, but if you want to
get it early, so you gotta go to Sanna.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
How much time you got left? You got to run?

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Yeah, we're what else do we have here?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
All right?

Speaker 2 (55:28):
So, Liz says Anissa had tears in her eyes when
discussing the situation with Nanny. Was that genuine emotion or
crocodile tears? I mean, I think, I mean this this
whole last few months with all these ladies and Anissa
has been tremendously hard for her to deal with.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
I think, dude, listen, I you know, there's there's right,
you know.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
I think I feel like Anissa knows that, and I
don't know if she cares, you know, that there was
you know, some you know. I think maybe Anissa initially
thought there was some wrongdoing done to her, so then
she felt like she needed to kind of like, you know,
do a little get a little get back, you know.

(56:12):
And I think that in the end, I don't know
if Anissa necessarily likes, you know, the way she handled it.
I feel like, and I could be completely wrong. And
the thing is is like after the reunion, I'm seeing
Ashley and Anissa, you know, talking, and it seems like
that they're fine, and I'm just like, again surprised. It's

(56:33):
kind of just like I saw them at All Stars.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
You know, how awkward was that in the room for
you guys, Because obviously it gets condensed down they're clipping
two a couple of reactions in there, so like in
real time from the Ashley and Anissa to the Nanni
and Anissa segment of.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
It all in the room.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
The thing is is like they all kind of like
spoke their piece. I feel like Anissa was a lot quieter.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Maybe the thing is is we didn't know about any
of this, you know, this Will stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
You know.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
I just thought it was like Will and Nannie seeing
each other for the first time, and that's kind of
like the juice, right had we had no idea that
there was this side you know, Anissa stuff going on,
like didn't like no clue, like no clue they knew.
And maybe that's why, you know, you know, you know,

(57:32):
the the the the the back and forth between Nanni
and Anissa was a little bit more emotional because they
knew that like their friendship really was kind of like
broken and like maybe the end of it, you know,
and then so and then the Ashley and Anissa stuff
was just kind of like talked out, you know, like

(57:52):
like I actually had some points as far as like
I don't know, Anissa mentioned or befriending some stalker or whatever.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
I mean, that's I mean, if that's true, obviously that's
not great.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Yeah, yeah, I had no like we're sitting back and
being like what the fuck, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Did they elaborate on that or or well, like did
anyone did anyone go, uh, what kind of stalker? And
is this true? And who why are they or your
friend or what did it kind of just get blown over?

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Well you obviously leave that to Devin to kind of
like a referre.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Right, but but also the editing the editing room might go,
this is a little bit heavy, let's cut this, and
also this.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
Is kind of a live bal so let's I think
I need I think Anissa said that's not true, you
know what I mean. So it's like you go, all right, well,
this person says this, this person says that, and then
it's just kind of like, well you just saw he
had exchanged. It seemed like everyone kind of got, you know,
some stuff off their chest and and it was done.
Like it felt like they've like all sides got everything

(58:54):
off of their chest, whether it's standing up and yelling
or from your seat and crying like it like it
felt like all three parties kind of got it all
off their chest and it was done, and you know
it's got you know, And same thing with like CT
after the whole Turbo blow up, he's like he kind
of started or even after the Justice for lacka thing,
like he was like, yeah, I need to come back

(59:16):
and like respect the game, Like I can't come back
like that. So, uh, you know, I feel like, you know,
everyone kind of was able to to to speak their
piece and end on a note that they felt, you know,
good with if it seemed like, you.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Know, all right, let's get to a couple of rapid
fire and then we'll do MVP LVP. Here we go,
do do all right? Christy says, were you surprised to have.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Chavez, John A, and Avieve all got labeled as fake
nice or fake for being nice to everyone? Is that
perception coming from a generational divide where the new threats
don't value or appreciate nice?

Speaker 1 (59:54):
What do you think about that? Obviously, I think Chavez
is maybe.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
On his own island there because we saw the justin stuff.
I think that probably plays a part that. But what
do you think about this?

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
I was surprised to hear John Ay say to Olivia
you you use friends as numbers, You consider friends as numbers,
And it seemed like, you know, Johnny kind of had
a little bit of a distaste for Olivia, which I
I I felt when we did the podcast, a little bit,
but I didn't know, you know, I didn't know, And

(01:00:23):
and like I think John A is exceptionally nice. I
think Aviv is exceptionally nice. I think it was very
well put. Whose podcast did we do where they kind
of broke down like Aviv's, uh nature?

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
It was Justin's podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
He broke down the nature of her niceness versus playing
the game and how they can clash and make people
think that you're kind of playing the game too much, right,
Like you're supposed to be on our side, and we
see that you're trying to get an in in a
different direction, which can cause us to call that fraudulent behavior.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
So I needed to hear it from somebody to understand it,
because if you're just like an Aviv guy or an
Aviv girl and Aviv friend, you don't see that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
You kind of go no.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
And that's with everybody, right, Like everybody's.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Playing this like sneaky game of like, oh, let me
be friends with them to an extent, Well, what extent
is that because you had been playing with us the
entire time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Now you're kind of going in the other direction, you know,
but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
You're still voting with us, but we see what you're doing,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
So I needed to hear it from someone to kind
of be able to play Devil's advocate and see the
game for both sides, because like you see like a
ct On Traders, you know, like he plays he played
that game like so well, you know, and uh uh
you know, and that's how he plays all these games

(01:02:01):
so well. And he got a lot of heat for
coming in you know, you know, not in great shape.
But the guy was still the top of the scoreboard again, Anissa,
still top of the scoreboard. They couldn't finish the mountain
or you know, finished the mountain last, but still top
of the scoreboard. It's like, you know, this game has
is multi faceted, multi faceted. Character is good at different things.
So and personalities being you know, a big player, you know,

(01:02:27):
and so you know, originally I was like, man, it's
too harsh, Get off John A and IV even there's
such nice people you can't be calling their niceness fraudulent.
But you know, you look at it from a different
perspective and it's like, yeah, nice people, good personalities, gets
along with everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Strong game tactic.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
This next one was from demo question for Derek. Last week.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
You said that there would be more tears from Gabe.
I'm pretty sure we did not get those. Can you
tell us why he was crying.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
And what we miss. Oh man, it had something to
do with that, uh Javez shitting on the side of
the road.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Yeah, that was good. That was good. I didn't realize
that he shipped on the mountain.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
That dirty that dirty question, dirty girl whoever wrote in
that question. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
I'm not going to elaborate because I think it was
like it was pretty deep and uh, you know, had
something to do with you know, some of those one
of those a's we were talking he had mentioned on
the official Challenge podcast, And.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
It's it's kind of helped him out a little bit,
i'd say, So, I'm not going to dig into it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Brian says. This is an insuan.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Brian says Zach recently accused Derek of being jealous of Johnny.
He claimed that since CT and Anissa would sign off
on Johnny's I Am the Challenge statement while Derek won't,
is clear evidence of this. Thoughts and feelings of the
armchair analysis from mister Nichols.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
Yeah, I mean I said it, you know, last podcast,
And I do truly feel like we are all the Challenge.
I feel like everybody all the anybody, all the viewers,
all the listeners, everyone that stuck with us for twenty years.
On top of everyone, all the competitors that have played
a major had major moments in the show.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Including Zach. You know, Zach is part of is part
of the challenge. You know, we are the challenge.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
And uh And like I said, I don't think one
single person is solely you know, the the challenge. But
if there's anyone close to being able to you know,
crown themselves that, then yeah, he is the one that
has done the most, had the mo you know, had
the most moments, has the most championships.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Yes, I agree, But anybody who.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Who you know doesn't feel like they are also the
challenge is demeaning themselves and and and not giving themselves
enough credit as far as being playing a major part
in the challenge. We've we've done this for forty one
seasons and.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
You know, uh, I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
I guess some people can say, you know, I am
the NBA, I am I am the NFL. You know,
Wayne Gretzky can say I am hockey?

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Is he though? Right? I just say, we don't have to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
I mean, the the the quote has been worth its
weight in gold because it is caused for all this debate,
all these countless mentions of whether it is he is
he not? You know, it's like you either I think
it goes is like this, right, anyone who thinks that
Johnny Bananas is not the challenge? Probably the real question
is is it possible for one person to be the challenge?

(01:05:57):
The answers probably know, right, If you do feel as
if one person has the right to say that or
could say that, it's hard to believe that. You feel
like there's someone else who could say it more so
than him. Right, That's kind of what we're arguing here.
So in essence what what I've been saying since the
time he said it is. That's what makes it a
great quote. It's very like Stephen A. Smith, Right, it's

(01:06:17):
very quite frankly, it's very scape Bayless. It's very first take.
It's very you say it because it allows you to
go back and forth with Max Kellerman for two hours
debating whether it's in. It's just going to be an
endless web of you're arguing something that might not exist
for other people, You know what I mean. It's like religion, right,
Me and the Amiyah were fucking going back for two time.
I want to throw him out the window, me, him

(01:06:38):
and Larson. Can you imagine that? I believe the kids
call that a nightmare blunt rotation, not that we were
smoking blunt. But that's why Adam Larson, Nehemiah and me
Mark Long's just sitting there give me thirty looks a
lot about religion.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
I'm like Neamiah, I'm like, dude, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
No specifically Jesus as they were in my home alone, christmaswater,
Happy Holidays, everybody. But he's trying to talk to me
about Jesus. Dude, I love that for you. That's great
that that I go.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
I just don't believe that all this stuff literally happened
the way they say it in the book.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
But love that for you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
And he's like, you haven't done enough research. And then
and then fucking Larson, who I thought was gonna chime
in with some reason. And if he would just take
us down another planet and be like, well, well well
well if you think about actually, I'd be like, ah,
shut though, fuck up. Anyway, Long story short, My point
is circles and circles. That's basically what the challenge the
I am. The challenge, debate is for people who are

(01:07:29):
just on opposite sides of the thing, right, Love that
for you. It's like this, love that for you. If
you think Johnny's the challenge, love that for you. I
just don't think any one person could be the challenge.
Just like Neamaiyah, love that for you. You think, Jesus,
do you think literally all that stuff happened?

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Love that for you? Just not just not. I don't.
And that's how I feel about all religion.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
By the way, this is the challenge right here there,
he is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
This is the challenge.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
What's up Maverick? By the way, who were we just
with that? I was like, I just thought of the connection.
Oh so Tina's husband Patrick that there's the challenge. Tina's husband,
don't say that, God forbid. Did Tina's husband, who is
a fighter pilot and is a real life top gun Maverick,
did you when you told him that your son is
named Maverick?

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Did you make that connection? And no?

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
No, yeah, yeah, I wondered like, did he think the
name was cooler? That it's like kinda kind of him?
By the way, shouts to wing More whiskey owned by
Patrick and Tina bridges. They brought some bottles to uh,
to Texas. They were consumed and uh and it's delicious,
by the way, and it's made by veterans for veterans,

(01:08:34):
for heroes and everything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
So go check it out. But you guys got to
go meet Santa Claus. Right, do I look like Santa
Santa Maverick? Can you say oh, hello, hello, Scott?

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Can you say Scott?

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
That's pretty good? That's pretty good? All right, Happy holidays, everybody,
Merry Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Happy Hanukah, uh, Happy Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Good trye. It's pretty good. We're gonna be uh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
We have recorded quite a bit of content that you
may or may not have seen or heard, talk about
the Texas Show, talking about the Adrian interview. This is
going up on the main feat. So hopefully that gets
you through the holiday and the new year. We appreciate you, guys.
Thank you for getting on Scott's body. Yeah, Scott's body.
That's the best Scott. Look at that, Scott.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
This is Scott lost his head. His head broke off.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
We're gonna end on a positive note. We're not going
to do an m v P l VP. There's no
LVP here you guys are all m vps.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
You're all the Challenge.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
You're all m vps, all the wives and the husbands
out there, all the kids out there, the Challenge babies
and whatnot.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
The year this is the last podcast on MTV. This
is the last podcast breaking down the Challenge on MTV,
we think.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
And by the way, real quick, congrats to everyone who
did the official Challenge podcast. If it is over and done,
Kudos to you guys. Two hundred fifty episodes is a
hell of an accomplishment. So and hopefully anyone who is
working on the show and maybe looking for a job
or something that lands on their feet.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
So didn't want anybody to think otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
We love you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
I personally listened to quite a few episodes of that show.
So and as we know, Devin and Devon will land
on their feet and are already crushing it. And you'll
see Devin with us on the twenty third of January
in New York City. Get your tickets to Challengemania dot Live.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
D I'll give you the last word.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
I'm back, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Thank you to everybody that's that's ever been with us.
We will continue to do what we do and hopefully
the challenge doesn't. This is the last of the challenge so.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Hey, awards coming soon. Adrian podcast was great.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Yeah, start thinking of your categories and awards because we
will kick it off as always with a Challenge Mania
nominating zoom with here's a good ending.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Look at that?

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Is that a moon man?

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
That's a moon man? You know set from MTV at
some point during.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
This US ye don't break it back when they used
to send gifts, back when they used to like keep
your jerseys and send gifts.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Look at that? Yeah, yeah, all right, everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Happy everyone, all right, guys, they sends your time here
on Challenge Mania.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Take care of yourselves and hopefully we'll see in the future.

Speaker 5 (01:11:29):
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