October 16, 2025 • 23 mins
Derrick Kosinski & Scott Yager break down Episode 12 of The Challenge 41 where Derrick takes on Theo in a Pillow-Fight elimination.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
What is up everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Scott Jaeger here with another Challenge Mania episode breakdown.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Here to break down episode twelve.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Where as you guys know, my co host Derek Zinski,
his season broke down, and of course we have him
here like we have him here every week. This will
be the last week that he will be able to
cover this season with me as a participant, beginning next
week with episode thirteen. He is a spectator just like myself.
But we've got one more week of this. We're gonna
break it all down. I hope this is okay with you, Derek.
(00:46):
For those of you guy guys watching a challengemaniacs dot Com,
I did bring a pillow here in case you say
anything I don't like and I need to swat you
off of a log. We are, of course broadcasting a
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Speaker 1 (01:39):
But you didn't come for me, you came for D.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And if you came to season forty one per D,
apologies for you, mister Derek Kazinski.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's up, buddy.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah. So this episode just called punch you in your face,
And really the only one that got punched in the
face was me. And I'm reading all the all the
uh love and hate on on X so I appreciate both.
I feel like I even deserve the hate. I'll be
(02:09):
the first to tell you I completely sucked at this game. Scott,
You on that log with that pillow would have likely
beat me.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, explain what it was? Yeah, because take anything.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Away from from from THEO because and we'll be talking
to him here, uh pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But uh yeah what walk us through what it was
because as watching at home, Look, you're going into this,
I would imagine with a bit of a reach and
size advantage. So there's that, okay, fine, but advantage, sorry, disadvantage. Yes,
he's going into it with the advantage obviously, but walk
us through.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
There's more to it than that.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
There was more that was in your way, or at
least in your headspace, that got in the way of
you being able to succeed here again against even me,
not even just a THEO. So why do you think
he would have lost to anybody here?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Look first and foremal like, this is one of those
games where if I'm I'm watching from from my couch,
I'm thinking like, as a competitor that's played these games,
I'm thinking like I could do that.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I could probably do that. I should be able to
do that and be pretty.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Good at it. Yes, I would be thinking the same
thing as you like in the moment, you're not thinking
about you know, oh, man, this guy's really long, you know,
you know, he's really he's really long, right that that's
his advantage is like he's really long. His reach boom
would would take me out. And initially I'm thinking, oh,
(03:37):
maybe we can like kind of get I can get
in on him. There's no way of getting in on
him because the polls that we're sitting on, there's there
was like a zone where, you know, lines that we
couldn't cross. There's probably like three feet three or four
feet you know, where you'd have to reach over. But
that didn't matter for me because sitting on this log,
(03:59):
for some reason, Uh what if the people at home
would call adductors that your inner thighs that have the
ability to squeeze this log. I didn't have any of that.
And I think that that's kind of the main cause
of me being extremely weak on this log is that,
like my my thought, my inner thighs just couldn't squeeze
(04:21):
this thing long enough to allow me to stay balanced.
So when you're first trying this thing out and you're
sitting on it, yeah, you're like, okay, let me see
how long I could balance, and the second I go
up to basically swing, I'm already I'm already teetering off
(04:41):
of this thing. I'm already uh, you know, just just
falling off. So he didn't have to do much to
knock me off this log the first four times, now
like almost nothing. Right like he tapped me, I was gone.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
And for that matter, as I was starting in my
swing for the first few I was already fallen off
this thing. So so that's the that's the the initial
of it. Now by the time round five comes in,
I'm like, fuck, hold this thing. As as I'm like
(05:19):
holding it with my hands, like I'm not even moving,
I'm like literally clinched down with the pillow and my
other hand on this log and I'm just taking face shotsy.
But even that, I wasn't able to to squeeze my
thighs long enough to keep me on this thing. So
you know, in the end, like, yeah, Scott, I would
(05:40):
have likely lost to you. I would have likely lost
to put the put the uh you know, male competitor
in there.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Put the female.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Competitor in there. I would have lost to d I
would have lost to Adrian. I would have lost to
anybody at this game. Now, that's that's that's part one.
I see, I see your your wheels churning there? What's up?
What's your thoughts here?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Well?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's interesting, So okay, So I think obviously this is
probably a hard episode for you to watch. You mentioned
you're getting a lot of love from people who I
think are trying to, you know, cheer you up and
let you know that Hey, it's just one uh you know,
what's the word an aberration in an otherwise storied elimination career.
Wes even had something nice to say if I could
read it to you here. I actually I said this
(06:26):
to you earlier because when I saw that Wes had
a kind of detailed description of this episode, I go, well,
what's he gonna say to Derek? And he writes, and look,
I'll be honest, I was surprised by this. He says, Derek,
bless him. He's not washed up and he'd have bombed
at that challenge at twenty five to two.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
That's kind of a dig. But he's not lying.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Playing for volume multiple limbs seasons years on the show,
You're going to hit some stinkers. Derek's just unlucky, not
done so you know a lot of people wondering if
you're done, a lot of people wondering should that spot
have been given to someone else?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Shouts to Pink.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Rose, and they're very very vocal, very vocal stance that
that you and I believe Leroy is someone else that
they've been pretty vocal about has not made the most
of your opportunity, and that it should have went to
Zach Nichols or Johnny Middlebrooks, because those two things are
the same either way.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I'll what I'll say is this.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
So the thing that I think made this worse for
anyone rooting for you and yourself, i'd imagine, is the
success that D had. So the way that they did
this elimination is not usually how they how they do it.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Now, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
The idea that the only way you get a point
is if both of you get it right is kind
of new, although now that I'm saying it out loud,
I'm realizing it does that language really matter? Because let's
say you got a point for either point, anytime THEO
would have gotten one, D would have gotten one, and
they kind of.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Would have canceled out anyway. So it's all the same.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
But I think by wording it that way and by
phrasing it that way, and by delivering each round.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
That way, where it was like, hey, like, D just
did it, Derek, can you know? You know? You know?
Or THEO just did it? Adrian, can you know?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And it kind of, you know, obviously made D look
very good, made THEO look very good. People kind of
forget that Adrian didn't perform very well either, because she
of course gets to advance anyway, and then the luck
of the draw that that heads or tails goes by
way of you and THEO where it could have very well.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Went D and Adrian.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Let me ask you this, the difference in that last round,
because in the last round, the sort of area was gone, right,
you could move forward correct because you were on your
feet right.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
No, you still you still had you still had that
three to four feet between us. So actually, looking back,
I think Leo posted something on his uh on his
Instagram poking fun at someone losing five hundred thousand dollars
on a pillow fight, and I looked at the angle
multiple times.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I just watched his reel.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
And I'm like I would have a very hard time
reaching him from that angle. Uh, in general, like that
was that's a far reach, uh for me? So, I
mean I would have lost balance anyway, but that was
a that was a far reach for me.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Well, so so we are you're talking about the standing
part now, right, or the other part.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
This, it doesn't matter. The standing part was. It's the
same distance.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Well, so I had wondered.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I had wondered, could you, for instance, on the standing
part lunge knock him over? I mean, he falls before
you and lands in the water.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Before you, and hot look in hindsight looking back at
it now, could I have right, lunge swiped went over
the the no fly zone, right, it flew through it? Anyway,
Maybe I land I you know, I hang on to
the log on his side, and he hits the water first,
(09:50):
and I don't hit the water at all. Yeah, maybe right,
that's all in hindsight, okay, But in the moment you
could see him like walking on this still on this
beam like a giraffe.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
He looks like he's unstable as fuck.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I'm like, oh, this guy's gonna fall before he even
gets to the start line, right, And I feel pretty
stable in my like sideways position.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
And I'm thinking to myself.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And he told me just don't move, he's gonna fall off,
and of course TJ blows the horn. Neither of us move,
and we're both kind of standing there like hoping like
maybe one of us falls off because it feels so unbalanced,
and TJ is like, come on, you guys, gotta move,
you gotta go. And I'm like, I make like one little,
(10:47):
one little tiny move where I open up just to
kind of see how far he is, like if I
can even reach him and do like a little little
like I'm gonna tap him and keep my balance, and
I go, I move a little bit, and I already
start falling off this thing, like I'm already coming off.
(11:09):
And what I look back to notice is I wanted
to see if like he just fell off.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
He didn't. I was coming off.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
He whacked me, I went flying, and he kept his balance,
He didn't fall off that thing.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
He was able to hit me, stay up.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
There, kind of move a little bit so I don't
hit him like a ninja, and he stays on there.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So so this was this was I would say this
so so to go back to what I was saying
about making matters. Whereas obviously you know, D gets the
short end of the pillow here and has to go
home with you. And the fact that she did so
well obviously not only shine a light on your lack
of performance, but also extended.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
This to where you took a beating that.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Normally, if someone is beating you that badly, you know
it's just kind of two and none, you know, you
know what I mean, like a Derek Chavez and CT
for instance, or a Derek Chavez and Ben like. You know, normally,
the only time you see eliminations extended to this degree
is when both parties are pretty even. You and Joss
as an example, that went on forever because neither of
(12:15):
you could get a leg up on the other person.
He makes a mistake, you end up winning. But because
it was that dichotomy of d doing so well, you
doing so poorly, we really got to see him whack
you a bunch of different times. You fall a bunch
of different times, a bunch of different ways. There was
a bit of a Looney Tunes comic book style or
cartoon style nature to some of your pratfalls. I don't
(12:38):
know if you're aware of this. The last one you did,
did you purposefully face plant and belly flop if you will.
Was that like a bit of self punishment because the
way that you hit the water on that last vertical fall,
it was almost like, I mean it was the icing
on the cake of no offense to terrible performance.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Did you do that on purpose?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Like was just like a punishment of you, like, man,
I'm done and I'm gonna make this look you look
like Rick Flair just kind of boo doing the Yeah, he's.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Very It was very wipeout ish, you know, it's really
what what this kind of elimination felt like. I felt
like I was playing wipe out against something that like
you think you can do, but like you're really just
getting beat up by this you know machine, And uh no,
it was I I was literally I was losing my
(13:24):
balance as I I was losing my balance as he
hit me, and I just went in that direction. I
mean that there.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Was no because you're really just flat out. And then
it was another one. There's another one in which you
kind of completely topple over. Do it do it one
and your legs stay put, you like keep your legs hooked,
so you just blow them.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Right into the water. You know That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Ye And uh, and look, I mentioned this to you
while I was watching it.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
It wasn't just her as a few people and you know,
but uh, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Some of the commentary throughout this episode, but even specifically
in this elimination from Sydney and then Ashley at the end,
you're send off talking about how cringe it was. Man,
I feel for you, buddy. I look, I think this
is not gonna be the last we see of you.
But was this their toughest loss on the challenge?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
If not, what was?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
So let me let me let me continue by saying
this like this was you know, this is one of
those like I dread all my losses, right, some of
them are you know, harder to watch and experience than others.
But this one right here, I was like dreading to watch.
So like for all the people at home that are like, man,
(14:40):
that was fucking bad or that you know that, like,
I'm the first one to tell you that was a
fucking piss poor performance. I couldn't believe how how how
much I couldn't hold on to that log, and then
I couldn't believe how poorly I balanced on that on
(15:01):
on on my feet, and then you know, I just
kept telling myself, if you just didn't move and he
hits you, he's gonna fall, why did you even move?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
So let me just tell you, like, you know, and
I'm reading all the comments.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
On how shitty I did, and and and I and
I did and I did and and and and looking
back at it, I would have never thought that, you know,
I would have done this bad. But what what I
what else I'm missing here? Well, let me let me
let me finish my thought process on on this whole thing.
(15:39):
The other the other part of it is is what
they you don't see. And I'm not taking anything away.
I'm not making any excuses. I mean, I did really bad.
This is like the worst performance I've ever had, you know.
But the the other other element that you don't see
is and I don't know how much it affected me
or not. Maybe it affected me on the stand up,
(16:01):
but it was I mean, you could see if people
were weren't hoodies, like it is now starting to get
fucking really cold out there, and it's probably about forty
degrees forty degrees wind blowing. We're in the middle of nowhere.
And and I fall into the water now five times, right,
(16:23):
So I'm fucking freezing. Now that that water it was
was not warm water that when we got there there
that water was ice. So we're we're we're about to
fall into icy, muddy, dirty water.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
And and so I fall in one time.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I'm fucking freezing cold, and I gotta wait for d
you know, to finish, you know, beating up on on
on Adrian. And then I do it again and then
again and again five times, and then we do the
sudden death. So by the time we're doing sudden death,
I am fucking absolutely freezing. So, you know, going up there,
(17:03):
you know, for the stand up, maybe I was jittering
a little bit. I definitely think that I had the
weakness in my legs for sure. Was there on the squeeze,
I mean the balance. I mean I had just gotten
my legs kind of back, you know, So here I
am kind of relying on my legs in a way
that I didn't think what I would need to and
(17:25):
I didn't in a way that I didn't think would
hurt me. Because my balance in my in my lifetime,
even at twenty five Wes, I think my balance was
was better than this, and my leg strength was probably
better than this. I just you never would have thought
that using your adductors was you know, how much you
(17:47):
know it was going to negatively affect you because a
lot of times in these games it's those little muscles
that you don't work on that come in and fatigue
you out and and cause you to to lose something.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
A lot of people mentioned was, so was D giving
you advice? D obviously did very well.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Obviously different you know, size discrepancy between the two of them.
But people were mentioning she was giving you some of
the advice that you've you've already referenced about, you know,
kind of just waiting for him to take a swing.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
How much was she coaching you up? And when you're
talking it out or what? So?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I mean, uh, really Turbo was trying to coach me
while I was losing.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
We should say professional pillow fighting champion Turbo? Who I think?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I mean, look, when they conceived this elimination, I mean,
you gotta think Turbo versus THEO same size difference. I
imagine you and Turbo are kind of similar in size,
but he's got the pillow fighting background. They could have
shown clips of him doing that.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
That would have been the dream.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Here we were robbed of that poetic justice.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But yeah, so go ahead. Turbo was coaching up.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, I mean I'm looking at Turbo thinking the same thing, like,
you know, like what the fuck do I do?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
You know, and he's like he's like basically.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Lean back, lean back and swing, come back and swing,
and I'm just like, fuck, I tried that, and it
was just you know, I just couldn't. I couldn't balance
on that thing. So and then in the end, it
was like the the do or die situation was was
d saying just don't move, don't move, and you can
(19:19):
hear say don't be a hero, and of course like
like diving at the legs like you were saying, would
have been like being a hero. But I just moved
a fucking hair and opened up and I lost balance.
I mean it was, uh, you know, like I said,
for everyone at home, that's like, damn, that was shitty.
Just imagine being me and and having to go through
(19:41):
that and then just watching it. Uh right, there was
Uh was that that was hard. I'm glad it's over
and we're talking about it and I can kind of
face the music. Uh. But yeah, obviously D you know,
deserved to stay. I mean, if anything, uh, you know
that maybe the team should have you know, ended up
being you know, THEO and d uh that that move
on here. But look, that's not that's not how the
(20:02):
way this the way this game is is being played.
And as you mentioned before, yes, we've seen this actually
on All Stars where where uh it was it was
Mark Long. It had had some logs and some stumps.
It was Mark Long versus Latarian and.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
It was Marking.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It was Mark and Kendall, I think versus Plaitarian and Katie.
And they went round after round and after round and
and the rule was both people have to win to
get a point. And they went into a sudden death
and I think Mark and Kendall ended up winning that.
But that was an epic one that uh no, no
one talks about it. But I'm just I can't believe
(20:41):
that how much the freezing cold water and the and
the extremely cold temperatures out there didn't weren't like you know,
you couldn't see it. Yeah, you couldn't even see it.
You walk in there and it's ice like that water
is it's an ice on top of it, and it
(21:07):
was well fucking home.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
We're going to continue to talk about this for those
of you guys who thought he was gonna be coming
with a.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Bag of excuses. No, he's obviously owning up to it.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
We're going to talk about the daily challenge because obviously,
you guys don't go into elimination unless you come in
last on that daily challenge.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
We're going to talk about your thoughts on some of
these comments you got from some of these other cast members,
and then everything we saw during the delimination deliberation that
led to you eventually going in against THEO and Adrian.
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Scott Jaeger here with another Challenge Mania episode breakdown.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Here to break down episode twelve.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Where as you guys know, my co host Derek Zinski,
his season broke down, and of course we have him
here like we have him here every week. This will
be the last week that he will be able to
cover this season with me as a participant, beginning next
week with episode thirteen. He is a spectator just like myself.
But we've got one more week of this. We're gonna
break it all down. I hope this is okay with you, Derek.
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Speaker 1 (01:39):
But you didn't come for me, you came for D.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And if you came to season forty one per D,
apologies for you, mister Derek Kazinski.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's up, buddy.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah. So this episode just called punch you in your face,
And really the only one that got punched in the
face was me. And I'm reading all the all the
uh love and hate on on X so I appreciate both.
I feel like I even deserve the hate. I'll be
(02:09):
the first to tell you I completely sucked at this game. Scott,
You on that log with that pillow would have likely
beat me.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, explain what it was? Yeah, because take anything.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Away from from from THEO because and we'll be talking
to him here, uh pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But uh yeah what walk us through what it was
because as watching at home, Look, you're going into this,
I would imagine with a bit of a reach and
size advantage. So there's that, okay, fine, but advantage, sorry, disadvantage. Yes,
he's going into it with the advantage obviously, but walk
us through.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
There's more to it than that.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
There was more that was in your way, or at
least in your headspace, that got in the way of
you being able to succeed here again against even me,
not even just a THEO. So why do you think
he would have lost to anybody here?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Look first and foremal like, this is one of those
games where if I'm I'm watching from from my couch,
I'm thinking like, as a competitor that's played these games,
I'm thinking like I could do that.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I could probably do that. I should be able to
do that and be pretty.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Good at it. Yes, I would be thinking the same
thing as you like in the moment, you're not thinking
about you know, oh, man, this guy's really long, you know,
you know, he's really he's really long, right that that's
his advantage is like he's really long. His reach boom
would would take me out. And initially I'm thinking, oh,
(03:37):
maybe we can like kind of get I can get
in on him. There's no way of getting in on
him because the polls that we're sitting on, there's there
was like a zone where, you know, lines that we
couldn't cross. There's probably like three feet three or four
feet you know, where you'd have to reach over. But
that didn't matter for me because sitting on this log,
(03:59):
for some reason, Uh what if the people at home
would call adductors that your inner thighs that have the
ability to squeeze this log. I didn't have any of that.
And I think that that's kind of the main cause
of me being extremely weak on this log is that,
like my my thought, my inner thighs just couldn't squeeze
(04:21):
this thing long enough to allow me to stay balanced.
So when you're first trying this thing out and you're
sitting on it, yeah, you're like, okay, let me see
how long I could balance, and the second I go
up to basically swing, I'm already I'm already teetering off
(04:41):
of this thing. I'm already uh, you know, just just
falling off. So he didn't have to do much to
knock me off this log the first four times, now
like almost nothing. Right like he tapped me, I was gone.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
And for that matter, as I was starting in my
swing for the first few I was already fallen off
this thing. So so that's the that's the the initial
of it. Now by the time round five comes in,
I'm like, fuck, hold this thing. As as I'm like
(05:19):
holding it with my hands, like I'm not even moving,
I'm like literally clinched down with the pillow and my
other hand on this log and I'm just taking face shotsy.
But even that, I wasn't able to to squeeze my
thighs long enough to keep me on this thing. So
you know, in the end, like, yeah, Scott, I would
(05:40):
have likely lost to you. I would have likely lost
to put the put the uh you know, male competitor
in there.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Put the female.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Competitor in there. I would have lost to d I
would have lost to Adrian. I would have lost to
anybody at this game. Now, that's that's that's part one.
I see, I see your your wheels churning there? What's up?
What's your thoughts here?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Well?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's interesting, So okay, So I think obviously this is
probably a hard episode for you to watch. You mentioned
you're getting a lot of love from people who I
think are trying to, you know, cheer you up and
let you know that Hey, it's just one uh you know,
what's the word an aberration in an otherwise storied elimination career.
Wes even had something nice to say if I could
read it to you here. I actually I said this
(06:26):
to you earlier because when I saw that Wes had
a kind of detailed description of this episode, I go, well,
what's he gonna say to Derek? And he writes, and look,
I'll be honest, I was surprised by this. He says, Derek,
bless him. He's not washed up and he'd have bombed
at that challenge at twenty five to two.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
That's kind of a dig. But he's not lying.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Playing for volume multiple limbs seasons years on the show,
You're going to hit some stinkers. Derek's just unlucky, not
done so you know a lot of people wondering if
you're done, a lot of people wondering should that spot
have been given to someone else?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Shouts to Pink.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Rose, and they're very very vocal, very vocal stance that
that you and I believe Leroy is someone else that
they've been pretty vocal about has not made the most
of your opportunity, and that it should have went to
Zach Nichols or Johnny Middlebrooks, because those two things are
the same either way.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I'll what I'll say is this.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
So the thing that I think made this worse for
anyone rooting for you and yourself, i'd imagine, is the
success that D had. So the way that they did
this elimination is not usually how they how they do it.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Now, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
The idea that the only way you get a point
is if both of you get it right is kind
of new, although now that I'm saying it out loud,
I'm realizing it does that language really matter? Because let's
say you got a point for either point, anytime THEO
would have gotten one, D would have gotten one, and
they kind of.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Would have canceled out anyway. So it's all the same.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
But I think by wording it that way and by
phrasing it that way, and by delivering each round.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
That way, where it was like, hey, like, D just
did it, Derek, can you know? You know? You know?
Or THEO just did it? Adrian, can you know?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And it kind of, you know, obviously made D look
very good, made THEO look very good. People kind of
forget that Adrian didn't perform very well either, because she
of course gets to advance anyway, and then the luck
of the draw that that heads or tails goes by
way of you and THEO where it could have very well.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Went D and Adrian.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Let me ask you this, the difference in that last round,
because in the last round, the sort of area was gone, right,
you could move forward correct because you were on your
feet right.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
No, you still you still had you still had that
three to four feet between us. So actually, looking back,
I think Leo posted something on his uh on his
Instagram poking fun at someone losing five hundred thousand dollars
on a pillow fight, and I looked at the angle
multiple times.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I just watched his reel.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
And I'm like I would have a very hard time
reaching him from that angle. Uh, in general, like that
was that's a far reach, uh for me? So, I
mean I would have lost balance anyway, but that was
a that was a far reach for me.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Well, so so we are you're talking about the standing
part now, right, or the other part.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
This, it doesn't matter. The standing part was. It's the
same distance.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Well, so I had wondered.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I had wondered, could you, for instance, on the standing
part lunge knock him over? I mean, he falls before
you and lands in the water.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Before you, and hot look in hindsight looking back at
it now, could I have right, lunge swiped went over
the the no fly zone, right, it flew through it? Anyway,
Maybe I land I you know, I hang on to
the log on his side, and he hits the water first,
(09:50):
and I don't hit the water at all. Yeah, maybe right,
that's all in hindsight, okay, But in the moment you
could see him like walking on this still on this
beam like a giraffe.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
He looks like he's unstable as fuck.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I'm like, oh, this guy's gonna fall before he even
gets to the start line, right, And I feel pretty
stable in my like sideways position.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
And I'm thinking to myself.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And he told me just don't move, he's gonna fall off,
and of course TJ blows the horn. Neither of us move,
and we're both kind of standing there like hoping like
maybe one of us falls off because it feels so unbalanced,
and TJ is like, come on, you guys, gotta move,
you gotta go. And I'm like, I make like one little,
(10:47):
one little tiny move where I open up just to
kind of see how far he is, like if I
can even reach him and do like a little little
like I'm gonna tap him and keep my balance, and
I go, I move a little bit, and I already
start falling off this thing, like I'm already coming off.
(11:09):
And what I look back to notice is I wanted
to see if like he just fell off.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
He didn't. I was coming off.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
He whacked me, I went flying, and he kept his balance,
He didn't fall off that thing.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
He was able to hit me, stay up.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
There, kind of move a little bit so I don't
hit him like a ninja, and he stays on there.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So so this was this was I would say this
so so to go back to what I was saying
about making matters. Whereas obviously you know, D gets the
short end of the pillow here and has to go
home with you. And the fact that she did so
well obviously not only shine a light on your lack
of performance, but also extended.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
This to where you took a beating that.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Normally, if someone is beating you that badly, you know
it's just kind of two and none, you know, you
know what I mean, like a Derek Chavez and CT
for instance, or a Derek Chavez and Ben like. You know, normally,
the only time you see eliminations extended to this degree
is when both parties are pretty even. You and Joss
as an example, that went on forever because neither of
(12:15):
you could get a leg up on the other person.
He makes a mistake, you end up winning. But because
it was that dichotomy of d doing so well, you
doing so poorly, we really got to see him whack
you a bunch of different times. You fall a bunch
of different times, a bunch of different ways. There was
a bit of a Looney Tunes comic book style or
cartoon style nature to some of your pratfalls. I don't
(12:38):
know if you're aware of this. The last one you did,
did you purposefully face plant and belly flop if you will.
Was that like a bit of self punishment because the
way that you hit the water on that last vertical fall,
it was almost like, I mean it was the icing
on the cake of no offense to terrible performance.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Did you do that on purpose?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Like was just like a punishment of you, like, man,
I'm done and I'm gonna make this look you look
like Rick Flair just kind of boo doing the Yeah, he's.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Very It was very wipeout ish, you know, it's really
what what this kind of elimination felt like. I felt
like I was playing wipe out against something that like
you think you can do, but like you're really just
getting beat up by this you know machine, And uh no,
it was I I was literally I was losing my
(13:24):
balance as I I was losing my balance as he
hit me, and I just went in that direction. I
mean that there.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Was no because you're really just flat out. And then
it was another one. There's another one in which you
kind of completely topple over. Do it do it one
and your legs stay put, you like keep your legs hooked,
so you just blow them.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Right into the water. You know That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Ye And uh, and look, I mentioned this to you
while I was watching it.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
It wasn't just her as a few people and you know,
but uh, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Some of the commentary throughout this episode, but even specifically
in this elimination from Sydney and then Ashley at the end,
you're send off talking about how cringe it was. Man,
I feel for you, buddy. I look, I think this
is not gonna be the last we see of you.
But was this their toughest loss on the challenge?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
If not, what was?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
So let me let me let me continue by saying
this like this was you know, this is one of
those like I dread all my losses, right, some of
them are you know, harder to watch and experience than others.
But this one right here, I was like dreading to watch.
So like for all the people at home that are like, man,
(14:40):
that was fucking bad or that you know that, like,
I'm the first one to tell you that was a
fucking piss poor performance. I couldn't believe how how how
much I couldn't hold on to that log, and then
I couldn't believe how poorly I balanced on that on
(15:01):
on on my feet, and then you know, I just
kept telling myself, if you just didn't move and he
hits you, he's gonna fall, why did you even move?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
So let me just tell you, like, you know, and
I'm reading all the comments.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
On how shitty I did, and and and I and
I did and I did and and and and looking
back at it, I would have never thought that, you know,
I would have done this bad. But what what I
what else I'm missing here? Well, let me let me
let me finish my thought process on on this whole thing.
(15:39):
The other the other part of it is is what
they you don't see. And I'm not taking anything away.
I'm not making any excuses. I mean, I did really bad.
This is like the worst performance I've ever had, you know.
But the the other other element that you don't see
is and I don't know how much it affected me
or not. Maybe it affected me on the stand up,
(16:01):
but it was I mean, you could see if people
were weren't hoodies, like it is now starting to get
fucking really cold out there, and it's probably about forty
degrees forty degrees wind blowing. We're in the middle of nowhere.
And and I fall into the water now five times, right,
(16:23):
So I'm fucking freezing. Now that that water it was
was not warm water that when we got there there
that water was ice. So we're we're we're about to
fall into icy, muddy, dirty water.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
And and so I fall in one time.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I'm fucking freezing cold, and I gotta wait for d
you know, to finish, you know, beating up on on
on Adrian. And then I do it again and then
again and again five times, and then we do the
sudden death. So by the time we're doing sudden death,
I am fucking absolutely freezing. So, you know, going up there,
(17:03):
you know, for the stand up, maybe I was jittering
a little bit. I definitely think that I had the
weakness in my legs for sure. Was there on the squeeze,
I mean the balance. I mean I had just gotten
my legs kind of back, you know, So here I
am kind of relying on my legs in a way
that I didn't think what I would need to and
(17:25):
I didn't in a way that I didn't think would
hurt me. Because my balance in my in my lifetime,
even at twenty five Wes, I think my balance was
was better than this, and my leg strength was probably
better than this. I just you never would have thought
that using your adductors was you know, how much you
(17:47):
know it was going to negatively affect you because a
lot of times in these games it's those little muscles
that you don't work on that come in and fatigue
you out and and cause you to to lose something.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
A lot of people mentioned was, so was D giving
you advice? D obviously did very well.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Obviously different you know, size discrepancy between the two of them.
But people were mentioning she was giving you some of
the advice that you've you've already referenced about, you know,
kind of just waiting for him to take a swing.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
How much was she coaching you up? And when you're
talking it out or what? So?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I mean, uh, really Turbo was trying to coach me
while I was losing.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
We should say professional pillow fighting champion Turbo? Who I think?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I mean, look, when they conceived this elimination, I mean,
you gotta think Turbo versus THEO same size difference. I
imagine you and Turbo are kind of similar in size,
but he's got the pillow fighting background. They could have
shown clips of him doing that.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
That would have been the dream.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Here we were robbed of that poetic justice.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But yeah, so go ahead. Turbo was coaching up.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, I mean I'm looking at Turbo thinking the same thing, like,
you know, like what the fuck do I do?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
You know, and he's like he's like basically.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Lean back, lean back and swing, come back and swing,
and I'm just like, fuck, I tried that, and it
was just you know, I just couldn't. I couldn't balance
on that thing. So and then in the end, it
was like the the do or die situation was was
d saying just don't move, don't move, and you can
(19:19):
hear say don't be a hero, and of course like
like diving at the legs like you were saying, would
have been like being a hero. But I just moved
a fucking hair and opened up and I lost balance.
I mean it was, uh, you know, like I said,
for everyone at home, that's like, damn, that was shitty.
Just imagine being me and and having to go through
(19:41):
that and then just watching it. Uh right, there was
Uh was that that was hard. I'm glad it's over
and we're talking about it and I can kind of
face the music. Uh. But yeah, obviously D you know,
deserved to stay. I mean, if anything, uh, you know
that maybe the team should have you know, ended up
being you know, THEO and d uh that that move
on here. But look, that's not that's not how the
(20:02):
way this the way this game is is being played.
And as you mentioned before, yes, we've seen this actually
on All Stars where where uh it was it was
Mark Long. It had had some logs and some stumps.
It was Mark Long versus Latarian and.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
It was Marking.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It was Mark and Kendall, I think versus Plaitarian and Katie.
And they went round after round and after round and
and the rule was both people have to win to
get a point. And they went into a sudden death
and I think Mark and Kendall ended up winning that.
But that was an epic one that uh no, no
one talks about it. But I'm just I can't believe
(20:41):
that how much the freezing cold water and the and
the extremely cold temperatures out there didn't weren't like you know,
you couldn't see it. Yeah, you couldn't even see it.
You walk in there and it's ice like that water
is it's an ice on top of it, and it
(21:07):
was well fucking home.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
We're going to continue to talk about this for those
of you guys who thought he was gonna be coming
with a.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Bag of excuses. No, he's obviously owning up to it.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
We're going to talk about the daily challenge because obviously,
you guys don't go into elimination unless you come in
last on that daily challenge.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
We're going to talk about your thoughts on some of
these comments you got from some of these other cast members,
and then everything we saw during the delimination deliberation that
led to you eventually going in against THEO and Adrian.
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