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Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's up, everybody? This is Scott Jeger here with another
Challenge Mania episode breakdown. Here to break down episode nine
of the Challenge season forty one. This episode brought to
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you didn't come for me. You came for Chef boy
r d on the line to break down episode nine
with me and to maybe tell me who was cheating
this episode, mister Jarrick, because.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's except what's going on?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
H So that was officially the absolute worst challenge I've
ever experienced, the worst eating challenge I've ever experienced. I
was on that Mountain, just like saying like, hey, if
if I like, if they if they like dcued me
right now, I wouldn't be mad like if they like
(01:30):
if if if TJ walked down and he was like, listen,
you couldn't finish eating your food.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You're fired. Uh You're going home.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
That's it for you, I would be like, Okay, that
that's fine because I legitimately cannot eat this shit. And
for the people at home that want to try this
at home, I would say, kids, don't try this at home.
But if you were thinking about uh, you know, suffering
in the same way we.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Did this episode. Uh, eat an onion.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Eat an onion like an apple, A regular sized onion
like an apple.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Let me know how long it takes you.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
For people like Turbo, uh, he cuts up the onion
and like eats it for breakfast. So I do believe
that the one person that didn't cheat this episode was Turbo.
Do I feel like some people may maybe didn't cheat. Yeah,
But at some point I turned around and I was like,
there are there is peppers and onions everywhere, there's goldic
(02:33):
everywhere like this, there's there's no way, like you know,
the people are oh Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So we're we're gonna break this down because, uh, for
those of you guys listening to this episode, it means
you watched episode nine here today on Wednesday, a uh
Wednesday with a lot going on on television. Right. There's
probably some some playoff stretch baseball going on tonight. I
don't even know who's playing. We got aw on, we
got the premiere of Survivor season forty nine, but you
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chose to watch the challenge, and boy, did you maybe
make the wrong decision, because we didn't even get an
elimination and we didn't even get a daily that had
a winner because of this cheating. So we're gonna get
into the cheating because that's kind of all we have
to discuss other than the semblance of the teams later on.
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Maniacs dot com. But d let me ask you this,
because you were sort of the part of the letting
us know as viewers, and I believe, letting them know
kind of you know, whoever was shooting the show, whatever
producers you had by your side, that there was food
there that clearly wasn't eating right? Did you kind of
tattletale on this whole thing? Were you the catalyst for
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what ended up being a non decision daily here?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well, there's like there's like what seems to be maybe
like six seven eight of us suffering together.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
And I.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Leo, Mikayla, Adrian America, Yeah, amongst amongst the few, John
A Anissa, And we're just like, first of all, how
did anyone get it all that down?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Second of all, how did some of them get it
down so fast?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Because what is all that you said onions? Is it
really just onion? What are we actually talking about here?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
So to like I would say large onions, like maybe
like the size of a baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Harass, you would call them onions.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Chili peppers, like red hot chili peppers.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Like you did that day going here, like little ginger
ginger clothes I think they're called I don't know if
they're called clothes.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
They're just like little er.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Sure or false. We've come a long way from the
horse testicles and the frog eyeballs and the things that
you guys used to eat. But am I wrong in
saying that that stuff is worse? Is it easier to
eat the gross stuff? And are these weird just hard
to get down vegetables? Is this even worse because in
all the years of that, yeah, we saw like a
jay not wanting to drink the milk. We've seen vomit
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for days. But you've never seen people cheat at this level.
So to me, this is like the worst of both worlds.
It doesn't seem that hard to someone sitting on the
couch like yours, truly, and we got half the cast cheating.
So what is it that's so hard to eat? When
it comes to the obviously chili pepper, you know it's hot,
but an onion, I mean, look, we get the onions
to make you cry, you know, suck it up?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
No, I I look even America was sitting there, you know,
ready to die on this mountain with with onions in
her mouth.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And she did not she did not take part in
any of the she she actually did.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, yeah, so this is so.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
This is the only episode where she didn't cheat.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Oh that that that one's where the shady That one's
shady Internet people, that's what that was for.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I'm just kidding. We love America.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Look this, this was this.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I don't think that they will come back to this
because it was so hard and it was so extreme
and one of the rules said, and you have to
eat it all or you can't move on. Like this
is like season forty one. We're going more extreme than ever,
like we always do every every season, but this time
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what we're gonna do is you have to eat it.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
But so so you're telling me in seasons past they've
been able to just get a penalty for not eating it,
because I mean, the amount of vomit that I have
seen erupt like a geyser out of people's mouths over
the years, people have at least tried to eat it,
even if they got it down for a second and
then threw it up.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, I thought it.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I thought it was also interesting that we didn't see
all those puking scenes right, Like It's like, at some
point you get the person that's got like the snack
like dripping all the way down from their face and
their mouth to the floor, like you at least get
that like discomfort, you know, seeing that, like one clip,
(08:08):
we didn't even get that, you.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Know what I mean. That's why this felt like the
worst of both worlds. It was like tough, but it
wasn't visibly tough. And and here's here's where I really
want to ask you kind of the inside behind the
scenes on this, because TJ put it this way, said, uh,
you know, I hate quitters, but you know what I
hate more than quitters is cheaters. All right, now, we
had a little bit of footage I believe it was
(08:30):
d right di vi dars. We see her literally throwing one.
So we've got some people on tape, right, we know
that they've got at least what four six camera men
covering this camera people at two two okay two.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Po is sixteen people?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Why for a guy that doesn't like quitters or cheaters? Man,
did I find this to be you guys just collectively
getting off easy, but not just collectively, because I get
that the reason being is is that it's kind of like,
if we can't tell everyone who we should penalize, we're
just not gonna single out anyone. But like you have
that shot of D doing it, why can't he put
(09:08):
her on blast and say, hey, D, I saw you
throwing it. If you don't tell me two other people
who cheated, you're kicked off the show right now. Like
that's someone who really doesn't like cheating. This to me
played like people who are like, I don't know, kind
of cool with cheating a little bit Like this was
like I mean, this is like when my son does
something bad and I still let him watch TV and
(09:29):
my wife is like, he's not gonna learn. Now, that's
what you guys are.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, I agree, because like you even had people at
the end of this thing like not to call anybody out,
but like THEO, for example, who's like, I th every no,
I still have finished fourth, Hey who cheated? You know
he's kind of making a mockery out of it, but like,
you know, damn, guy's.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Got to Did you guys go from this to like
a dope dinner?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, okay, you did so, like, okay, but but look,
here's here's what I'm to.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Be fair like, probably some people least tried, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yes, but here's but here's the thing, right, So here's
the thing. This is how I look at it. Right,
if the whole thing goes could put because of a
few bad apples, and the lesson is that because a
few people cheated and they won't admit it, so that
we don't know exactly who to punish, we're punishing everybody.
By punishing everyone, you really punish no one. Right. It's
(10:25):
as if you guys just yes, did something really tough
and no one benefited from it, but nobody gained or
lost any ground. Then after that, because they had the
segment built out already, you guys get to have a
luxurious dinner, right like I would have said, when you
go home, you're gonna see the dinner table set up.
You guys were meant to have a really delicious dinner.
I want you guys to look at those chairs because
(10:46):
I want you to know what you're not eating tonight.
You're not having that dinner. Like actually punish you guys, if,
as TJ said it, the only thing he hates more
than Quitter's is cheaters, because to me, he comes off
like a loosey, goosey parent like me, who, like, you know,
if I want to be making breakfast and not being bothered,
I still let them watch TV. And if they did
something wrong, they wanted the segment of you guys sitting
(11:14):
around like the last Supper, congratulating each other, recounting the season,
talking about who you might have as partners. So they
still rewarded you guys after at least a third of
you guys screwed up the daily from you know, a
competition standpoint, So I kind of think they shot the bed.
As far as if I'm a future cast member going
on this show, I don't say shiver me timbers, I
(11:35):
better not cheat. I go okay, maybe if I cheat,
I get caught.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Maybe it's fine if a couple other people cheating, they
don't want to like uproot the whole thing, So well,
not the best look. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Well, I'll be honest, like this is the first time.
I mean, I think have they people have gotten penalized
for cheating before, or like gotten called out. Maybe this
is something they'll continue to do, or maybe this is
something that we'll see you know, down the line this season,
where like cheating is it make they make it a
big thing, They make a thing out of it, because
(12:06):
let's be honest, like like we're always looking for loopholes, right,
and like if you got one, if you didn't tell them,
if you didn't tell us, we can't like what the
problem was.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Like there was no penalty.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
There was no like said, penalty if you cheated, so
no one knew exactly what would happen if you cheated, right,
There wasn't like, oh, five minute penalty if you you know,
throw an onion or throw a pepper, like, oh all right,
if you want to throw everything, you just take thirty
minute penalty, right.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But penalties are normally for like you know. So in
my opinion, here's how I put it. The difference between
being penalized and cheating is if that, like you said,
it's set up in the rules where if you don't
finish your food, or if you don't chew all your food,
or if you drop your food, or if you throw
up your food, you get a five minute penalty that
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allows people to do the pros and cons and go,
I'm just gonna eat the five minute penalty, no pun
intended instead of eating the food, right, that's not cheating.
That's deciding whether the penalty works for you in your game.
If you don't know what the penalty is, and the
penalty could technically be you're off the show, or you
automatically lose the whole thing, or you don't get to
pick your partner and you still cheat and try to
(13:18):
hide it and hope they don't find it, that's cheating,
you know what I mean. So the whole like, if
you're not cheating, you're not trying, or if they don't
tell you what the penalty is, assume there isn't one.
To me, they proved that to be right here, there
really wasn't a penalty because you were in that set.
Like this is what also kind of sucks, right, The
people who were in the top half of this this
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challenge are the ones who quote unquote cheated, right because
you guys, once you started talking about it, I'd imagine
none of you guys started cheating, right, or maybe I'm wrong.
You tell me, well, what.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
You missed was in the end.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Anissa and Johnny were just like, well, if we don't
know what the penalty is and all these people cheated herely,
then what's the what's what's what's gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
If we just throw this and go? We miss miss no,
they showed it. They showed it.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
If we just if we just throw this and go
if we did, if we just throw this and go, then.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
You know, I guess we'll just find out what happens later.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
So, like the what they had on camera was John
A throwing it, but because it was at the end
of this whole you know, debacle where it's like, you know, uh,
you know, how much suffering am I gonna do? Because
I'm suffering? Like we're up there as hot as fuck,
We're on a mountain and like we're like we're throwing up,
you know what I mean? Like I think that they
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don't show how much puking there was because it was
so bad.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Literally everything you did. So let me put it to
you this way, enough cheating took place in the people
who got there before you to where they pretty much
were gonna call it right right, the majority of the
cheating happened before you, guys.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Right, yeah, I'm assuming So by the point is.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
This, everything you did from that moment on was was
a waste of your time, right, my god, you could
have technically sat down and gone, you see all this
food here. You're not gonna do this because there's no
way for you to know this. But if technically you
had sat down Indian style Chris Cross apple sauce, I'm sorry,
(15:26):
and said see all this food, and they're gonna end
up scrapping the whole thing, I'm not going any further. Right,
they wouldn't have singled you out, same thing would have happened,
and then you would have had a lot more energy. Right,
But you're not gonna do that. I'm not saying you're
gonna do that. My point is that literally, like the
first ten people who went, and the six of them
were cheated, screw it up for everybody, except they deserve
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that because they did the cheating. Everyone else just has
all of their time wasted and all their efforts wasted.
Whatever amount of food you ate was wasted. And as
you said, John A and a Nissa are smart enough
to you know, throw it and not even bother eating
because they go. What could the penalty possibly be, If
there is one, it's going to be for more than
just us. So not to mention they're at the back anyway,
(16:07):
So I think this is I know you don't like
saying this, and you don't need to say this. This
was like an epic fail by them as far as
like tightening up the rules beforehand to where this couldn't
play out this way, because I mean, look at all
the controversy we had over an elimination last year between
you and Rossio. This was everyone on the show competing
(16:31):
in a daily and this was one where they had
some of the footage but not all of it, And
this is one where their way of policing it and
the end result was, I mean, no offense. But as
if you were I just watched what I counted as
like thirty five minutes of nothing like on a day,
where as I said, there's a lot of better stuff
to be watching on television, I'm watching an episode where
(16:53):
thirty five minutes was spent watching you guys do yeah
a mini final, sure not actually complete a big part
of it, and then not get any you know, upwards
or downwards in the game because of it, because of
the cheating, and then no one suffered any consequences. You
guys get to go out for Big Chili's dinner in
your living room after So I'm annoyed? Am I is
it okay for me to be annoyed?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I don't listen.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Were you guys not annoyed? Like or did you think
of this as like, oh cool, we get one off.
I wasn't gonna win that one. I was probably not
getting a lot of points.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I mean, I mean, I wasn't getting any points.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
So I mean I I you know, for me, I
go home and I go, you know, this is what
I get out of it?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Hey, do you want to if the people at home want.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
To, you know, try and eating challenge from the challenge
like and you go, oh man, there's an onion they
did they couldn't eat an onion, Like.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
All right, fucking try to eat an onion.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Let me know how long it takes you, you know
what I mean. Like, but for me, I could say
that I like that.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
But this was extreme.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Man. This is like, like you said, maybe they didn't
think all this through because obviously, like I don't know
how many taste testers they have, Like maybe they have,
you know, I'm sure that they have testers. From my
understanding is they have people that test these challenges. I'm
sure that they tested the change, and the and the
and the tower puzzle and in the riddle. But like,
(18:15):
I just don't know how many people you're gonna set up.
You're not gonna set up twenty people. I don't think
you're gonna set up twenty people, twenty four people to
eat all this stuff and get like you know, you know,
and have them all finish.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
But I think you're talking about the wrong aspect of it, right,
they were they did they underestimate how hard the eating was. Sure,
did they not put a proper penalty in place? But
to me, as show producers, the same way that they
the same way they on the spot decided they were
going to scrap the whole thing. I think it would
have been well within their right to say, hey, we
(18:50):
have footage of d John, A, Anissa, maybe three other
people doing this. We have footage of you cheating. You're
all going to be automatically disco. We're gonna count everybody
else's times, you know whatever, blah blah blah. Like that
would have been fine too.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
No, No, wouldn't, No, wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
So now you're just so then you're just gonna like
cancel out the people they got caught cheating what about
the other stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
So, when we're running up this this this uh mountain
and trying to memorize symbols and that are eventually going
to be a math equation at the top of this thing,
and you're jogging up the hill, and it's not just like, yeah,
it's not just like six symbols.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
It's like, it's like fucking fifteen symbols or maybe more.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
And one of them was your one of them was
your hair? Did you have one of them.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Was my hair? I know? That was That was amazing.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Thank you of Eve and whoever else like had the
most serious look on their face and they go they
go X plus R plus Derek's hair times, like for
the serious face of it all, Cedric and Jerremi and
Aviv like many, I appreciate you for having a a
serious enough look on your face to go all the
(20:02):
way up that hill and say Derek's hair like fifteen
times in your head on the way up there.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Thank you for that. That was great.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But like, so we're running up there and we're memorizing shit, right,
and some people are working together in in in clusters
so they can kind of like you know, have an
easier you know, go at this thing at the end
of it.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
What about just like you know, people just being like
it's two two two, Like is that not fucking cheating? Like?
Why is that? Is that not considered cheating? You know,
are they considering that cheating?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Because like maybe you had them, you know, you only
had d throwing the thing, and then maybe you had
John A at the end of this thing being like,
you know what, I'm just gonna throw it because everyone
else did, and they got all this footage of like
all these vegetables all over the place. So those people
must have cheated. But what about the two two too?
What about what about the numbers? What about just like
telling each other what the answers? Is that not cheating too?
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And are they considering that cheating because it could be
considered cheating when in the grand scheme of things, you
got TJ saying what I hate more about cheaters is
or what I hate more about quitters is cheaters, And
there was more cheating going on, you know, the whole
word the riddle, the riddle at the end of this thing?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Is that cheating?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Well it's you know, it's Turbo's kryptonite doing a riddle. Yes,
is kryptonite is going to be English in trivia? In English?
But it is it also like, you know, is it
cheating for him to wait for Sydney to come and
help him and give him the answer?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Like is that sweating too?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Look, we've been talking about this show for forty one seasons.
Is it just the eating one of the No, it's
not just the eating, although the eating is what he
mentions at the end. Right, So they can tell you
whether they thought that they're giving.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
The answer them up real quick.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
These shows pick and choose when they think that sharing
information is cheating or not. Right. So, there was an
episode of Survivor I think it was either the last
season or the season before, where one of the teams
literally went and basically like did the other tribes thing
for them? And it was I believe it was called cheating.
But it varies in eliminations, right. There are eliminations where
(22:14):
they want you guys yelling stuff out because why do
they like that? Because it shows us as viewers who's
working with who and then correct me if I'm wrong.
There are other eliminations where they tell you, verbatim, do
not say a single word if you do you're in
trouble or whatever. And the reason is yeah, yeah, god no.
But the reason is this, when you can give when
you could do like, for instance, just give answers, you're
(22:35):
not allowed to just give the answer. You're allowed to
give like tips like go to the right or something. Right.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I can't really remember of what you're describing as far
as the last thing you said, like, hey, you can
say things, just don't give the answer, or you know,
maybe you can say go to the right, like for example,
the Gabe and Johnny elimination this season, they told us like,
don't say anything because there's a wall that you know.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You're not allowed to tell him when he's there. You're
not allowed to say he's in the middle one, he's
on the right one.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
They're saying. Yeah, they're saying, don't say anything. They don't
say any reason. They'll get it once it starts. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
The mechanics of that is that the whole point is
that you can't see your opponent, and if they're quiet
and whatnot, you shouldn't know where they are. And since
you can see them, by technicality, if you just yell
out to the person, it defeats the purpose, right, same.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Same with the Derek versus Corey Wharton elimination, with the
blindfolds and and the punching. They weren't allowed to say, Oh,
he's right in front of you, go hit you know.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
My point is this. My point is this, though, and
they they should make it a point regardless of what
they decide before or after, where the outcomes should never
be that the people who weren't going to win are like,
thank god, the whole thing's strapped, or that the people
that cheated are like, you know what, probably want to
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cheat again. And as us as viewers, we like, man,
I just wasted forty minutes of my time. I don't
care what you come up with, but it shouldn't be that.
And whether it's fair or unfair to someone who didn't
cheat or did cheat, come up with something that is
more fair to me and my time. That's just how
I feel. I'm sorry. And speaking of time, we're running
out of time for the free feed, so we're gonna
(24:18):
say goodbye to the free feet. If you want to
hear us continue to break this down, go to challenge
maniac dot com. We've got a lot more to talk about,
not just on this episode. Because I saw you there
on instagram sending telegrams to Derek Chavez, comment after comment
after comment. I want to ask about that, and we'll
talk a little bit more about the partner that you received,
or whether you're worried about being tethered to her this
season and everything else that happens this episode. You go
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or watch the rest of this.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Are you talking about the marriage made in Hell?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Oh? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Chef Boyard who
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Challenge Mania episode breakdown. Here to break down episode nine
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r d on the line to break down episode nine
with me and to maybe tell me who was cheating
this episode, mister Jarrick, because.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's except what's going on?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
H So that was officially the absolute worst challenge I've
ever experienced, the worst eating challenge I've ever experienced. I
was on that Mountain, just like saying like, hey, if
if I like, if they if they like dcued me
right now, I wouldn't be mad like if they like
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if if if TJ walked down and he was like, listen,
you couldn't finish eating your food.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
You're fired. Uh You're going home.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
That's it for you, I would be like, Okay, that
that's fine because I legitimately cannot eat this shit. And
for the people at home that want to try this
at home, I would say, kids, don't try this at home.
But if you were thinking about uh, you know, suffering
in the same way we.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Did this episode. Uh, eat an onion.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Eat an onion like an apple, A regular sized onion
like an apple.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Let me know how long it takes you.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
For people like Turbo, uh, he cuts up the onion
and like eats it for breakfast. So I do believe
that the one person that didn't cheat this episode was Turbo.
Do I feel like some people may maybe didn't cheat. Yeah,
But at some point I turned around and I was like,
there are there is peppers and onions everywhere, there's goldic
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everywhere like this, there's there's no way, like you know,
the people are oh Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So we're we're gonna break this down because, uh, for
those of you guys listening to this episode, it means
you watched episode nine here today on Wednesday, a uh
Wednesday with a lot going on on television. Right. There's
probably some some playoff stretch baseball going on tonight. I
don't even know who's playing. We got aw on, we
got the premiere of Survivor season forty nine, but you
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chose to watch the challenge, and boy, did you maybe
make the wrong decision, because we didn't even get an
elimination and we didn't even get a daily that had
a winner because of this cheating. So we're gonna get
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Maniacs dot com. But d let me ask you this,
because you were sort of the part of the letting
us know as viewers, and I believe, letting them know
kind of you know, whoever was shooting the show, whatever
producers you had by your side, that there was food
there that clearly wasn't eating right? Did you kind of
tattletale on this whole thing? Were you the catalyst for
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what ended up being a non decision daily here?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well, there's like there's like what seems to be maybe
like six seven eight of us suffering together.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
And I.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Leo, Mikayla, Adrian America, Yeah, amongst amongst the few, John
A Anissa, And we're just like, first of all, how
did anyone get it all that down?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Second of all, how did some of them get it
down so fast?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Because what is all that you said onions? Is it
really just onion? What are we actually talking about here?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
So to like I would say large onions, like maybe
like the size of a baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Harass, you would call them onions.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Chili peppers, like red hot chili peppers.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Like you did that day going here, like little ginger
ginger clothes I think they're called I don't know if
they're called clothes.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
They're just like little er.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Sure or false. We've come a long way from the
horse testicles and the frog eyeballs and the things that
you guys used to eat. But am I wrong in
saying that that stuff is worse? Is it easier to
eat the gross stuff? And are these weird just hard
to get down vegetables? Is this even worse because in
all the years of that, yeah, we saw like a
jay not wanting to drink the milk. We've seen vomit
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for days. But you've never seen people cheat at this level.
So to me, this is like the worst of both worlds.
It doesn't seem that hard to someone sitting on the
couch like yours, truly, and we got half the cast cheating.
So what is it that's so hard to eat? When
it comes to the obviously chili pepper, you know it's hot,
but an onion, I mean, look, we get the onions
to make you cry, you know, suck it up?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
No, I I look even America was sitting there, you know,
ready to die on this mountain with with onions in
her mouth.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And she did not she did not take part in
any of the she she actually did.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, yeah, so this is so.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
This is the only episode where she didn't cheat.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Oh that that that one's where the shady That one's
shady Internet people, that's what that was for.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I'm just kidding. We love America.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Look this, this was this.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I don't think that they will come back to this
because it was so hard and it was so extreme
and one of the rules said, and you have to
eat it all or you can't move on. Like this
is like season forty one. We're going more extreme than ever,
like we always do every every season, but this time
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what we're gonna do is you have to eat it.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
But so so you're telling me in seasons past they've
been able to just get a penalty for not eating it,
because I mean, the amount of vomit that I have
seen erupt like a geyser out of people's mouths over
the years, people have at least tried to eat it,
even if they got it down for a second and
then threw it up.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, I thought it.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I thought it was also interesting that we didn't see
all those puking scenes right, Like It's like, at some
point you get the person that's got like the snack
like dripping all the way down from their face and
their mouth to the floor, like you at least get
that like discomfort, you know, seeing that, like one clip,
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we didn't even get that, you.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Know what I mean. That's why this felt like the
worst of both worlds. It was like tough, but it
wasn't visibly tough. And and here's here's where I really
want to ask you kind of the inside behind the
scenes on this, because TJ put it this way, said, uh,
you know, I hate quitters, but you know what I
hate more than quitters is cheaters. All right, now, we
had a little bit of footage I believe it was
(08:30):
d right di vi dars. We see her literally throwing one.
So we've got some people on tape, right, we know
that they've got at least what four six camera men
covering this camera people at two two okay two.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Po is sixteen people?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Why for a guy that doesn't like quitters or cheaters? Man,
did I find this to be you guys just collectively
getting off easy, but not just collectively, because I get
that the reason being is is that it's kind of like,
if we can't tell everyone who we should penalize, we're
just not gonna single out anyone. But like you have
that shot of D doing it, why can't he put
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her on blast and say, hey, D, I saw you
throwing it. If you don't tell me two other people
who cheated, you're kicked off the show right now. Like
that's someone who really doesn't like cheating. This to me
played like people who are like, I don't know, kind
of cool with cheating a little bit Like this was
like I mean, this is like when my son does
something bad and I still let him watch TV and
(09:29):
my wife is like, he's not gonna learn. Now, that's
what you guys are.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, I agree, because like you even had people at
the end of this thing like not to call anybody out,
but like THEO, for example, who's like, I th every no,
I still have finished fourth, Hey who cheated? You know
he's kind of making a mockery out of it, but like,
you know, damn, guy's.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Got to Did you guys go from this to like
a dope dinner?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, okay, you did so, like, okay, but but look,
here's here's what I'm to.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Be fair like, probably some people least tried, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yes, but here's but here's the thing, right, So here's
the thing. This is how I look at it. Right,
if the whole thing goes could put because of a
few bad apples, and the lesson is that because a
few people cheated and they won't admit it, so that
we don't know exactly who to punish, we're punishing everybody.
By punishing everyone, you really punish no one. Right. It's
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as if you guys just yes, did something really tough
and no one benefited from it, but nobody gained or
lost any ground. Then after that, because they had the
segment built out already, you guys get to have a
luxurious dinner, right like I would have said, when you
go home, you're gonna see the dinner table set up.
You guys were meant to have a really delicious dinner.
I want you guys to look at those chairs because
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I want you to know what you're not eating tonight.
You're not having that dinner. Like actually punish you guys, if,
as TJ said it, the only thing he hates more
than Quitter's is cheaters, because to me, he comes off
like a loosey, goosey parent like me, who, like, you know,
if I want to be making breakfast and not being bothered,
I still let them watch TV. And if they did
something wrong, they wanted the segment of you guys sitting
(11:14):
around like the last Supper, congratulating each other, recounting the season,
talking about who you might have as partners. So they
still rewarded you guys after at least a third of
you guys screwed up the daily from you know, a
competition standpoint, So I kind of think they shot the bed.
As far as if I'm a future cast member going
on this show, I don't say shiver me timbers, I
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better not cheat. I go okay, maybe if I cheat,
I get caught.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Maybe it's fine if a couple other people cheating, they
don't want to like uproot the whole thing, So well,
not the best look. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Well, I'll be honest, like this is the first time.
I mean, I think have they people have gotten penalized
for cheating before, or like gotten called out. Maybe this
is something they'll continue to do, or maybe this is
something that we'll see you know, down the line this season,
where like cheating is it make they make it a
big thing, They make a thing out of it, because
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let's be honest, like like we're always looking for loopholes, right,
and like if you got one, if you didn't tell them,
if you didn't tell us, we can't like what the
problem was.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Like there was no penalty.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
There was no like said, penalty if you cheated, so
no one knew exactly what would happen if you cheated, right,
There wasn't like, oh, five minute penalty if you you know,
throw an onion or throw a pepper, like, oh all right,
if you want to throw everything, you just take thirty
minute penalty, right.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But penalties are normally for like you know. So in
my opinion, here's how I put it. The difference between
being penalized and cheating is if that, like you said,
it's set up in the rules where if you don't
finish your food, or if you don't chew all your food,
or if you drop your food, or if you throw
up your food, you get a five minute penalty that
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allows people to do the pros and cons and go,
I'm just gonna eat the five minute penalty, no pun
intended instead of eating the food, right, that's not cheating.
That's deciding whether the penalty works for you in your game.
If you don't know what the penalty is, and the
penalty could technically be you're off the show, or you
automatically lose the whole thing, or you don't get to
pick your partner and you still cheat and try to
(13:18):
hide it and hope they don't find it, that's cheating,
you know what I mean. So the whole like, if
you're not cheating, you're not trying, or if they don't
tell you what the penalty is, assume there isn't one.
To me, they proved that to be right here, there
really wasn't a penalty because you were in that set.
Like this is what also kind of sucks, right, The
people who were in the top half of this this
(13:40):
challenge are the ones who quote unquote cheated, right because
you guys, once you started talking about it, I'd imagine
none of you guys started cheating, right, or maybe I'm wrong.
You tell me, well, what.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
You missed was in the end.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Anissa and Johnny were just like, well, if we don't
know what the penalty is and all these people cheated herely,
then what's the what's what's what's gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
If we just throw this and go? We miss miss no,
they showed it. They showed it.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
If we just if we just throw this and go
if we did, if we just throw this and go, then.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
You know, I guess we'll just find out what happens later.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
So, like the what they had on camera was John
A throwing it, but because it was at the end
of this whole you know, debacle where it's like, you know, uh,
you know, how much suffering am I gonna do? Because
I'm suffering? Like we're up there as hot as fuck,
We're on a mountain and like we're like we're throwing up,
you know what I mean? Like I think that they
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don't show how much puking there was because it was
so bad.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Literally everything you did. So let me put it to
you this way, enough cheating took place in the people
who got there before you to where they pretty much
were gonna call it right right, the majority of the
cheating happened before you, guys.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Right, yeah, I'm assuming So by the point is.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
This, everything you did from that moment on was was
a waste of your time, right, my god, you could
have technically sat down and gone, you see all this
food here. You're not gonna do this because there's no
way for you to know this. But if technically you
had sat down Indian style Chris Cross apple sauce, I'm sorry,
(15:26):
and said see all this food, and they're gonna end
up scrapping the whole thing, I'm not going any further. Right,
they wouldn't have singled you out, same thing would have happened,
and then you would have had a lot more energy. Right,
But you're not gonna do that. I'm not saying you're
gonna do that. My point is that literally, like the
first ten people who went, and the six of them
were cheated, screw it up for everybody, except they deserve
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that because they did the cheating. Everyone else just has
all of their time wasted and all their efforts wasted.
Whatever amount of food you ate was wasted. And as
you said, John A and a Nissa are smart enough
to you know, throw it and not even bother eating
because they go. What could the penalty possibly be, If
there is one, it's going to be for more than
just us. So not to mention they're at the back anyway,
(16:07):
So I think this is I know you don't like
saying this, and you don't need to say this. This
was like an epic fail by them as far as
like tightening up the rules beforehand to where this couldn't
play out this way, because I mean, look at all
the controversy we had over an elimination last year between
you and Rossio. This was everyone on the show competing
(16:31):
in a daily and this was one where they had
some of the footage but not all of it, And
this is one where their way of policing it and
the end result was, I mean, no offense. But as
if you were I just watched what I counted as
like thirty five minutes of nothing like on a day,
where as I said, there's a lot of better stuff
to be watching on television, I'm watching an episode where
(16:53):
thirty five minutes was spent watching you guys do yeah
a mini final, sure not actually complete a big part
of it, and then not get any you know, upwards
or downwards in the game because of it, because of
the cheating, and then no one suffered any consequences. You
guys get to go out for Big Chili's dinner in
your living room after So I'm annoyed? Am I is
it okay for me to be annoyed?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I don't listen.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Were you guys not annoyed? Like or did you think
of this as like, oh cool, we get one off.
I wasn't gonna win that one. I was probably not
getting a lot of points.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I mean, I mean, I wasn't getting any points.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
So I mean I I you know, for me, I
go home and I go, you know, this is what
I get out of it?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Hey, do you want to if the people at home want.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
To, you know, try and eating challenge from the challenge
like and you go, oh man, there's an onion they
did they couldn't eat an onion, Like.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
All right, fucking try to eat an onion.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Let me know how long it takes you, you know
what I mean. Like, but for me, I could say
that I like that.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
But this was extreme.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Man. This is like, like you said, maybe they didn't
think all this through because obviously, like I don't know
how many taste testers they have, Like maybe they have,
you know, I'm sure that they have testers. From my
understanding is they have people that test these challenges. I'm
sure that they tested the change, and the and the
and the tower puzzle and in the riddle. But like,
(18:15):
I just don't know how many people you're gonna set up.
You're not gonna set up twenty people. I don't think
you're gonna set up twenty people, twenty four people to
eat all this stuff and get like you know, you know,
and have them all finish.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
But I think you're talking about the wrong aspect of it, right,
they were they did they underestimate how hard the eating was. Sure,
did they not put a proper penalty in place? But
to me, as show producers, the same way that they
the same way they on the spot decided they were
going to scrap the whole thing. I think it would
have been well within their right to say, hey, we
(18:50):
have footage of d John, A, Anissa, maybe three other
people doing this. We have footage of you cheating. You're
all going to be automatically disco. We're gonna count everybody
else's times, you know whatever, blah blah blah. Like that
would have been fine too.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
No, No, wouldn't, No, wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
So now you're just so then you're just gonna like
cancel out the people they got caught cheating what about
the other stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
So, when we're running up this this this uh mountain
and trying to memorize symbols and that are eventually going
to be a math equation at the top of this thing,
and you're jogging up the hill, and it's not just like, yeah,
it's not just like six symbols.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
It's like, it's like fucking fifteen symbols or maybe more.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
And one of them was your one of them was
your hair? Did you have one of them.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Was my hair? I know? That was That was amazing.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Thank you of Eve and whoever else like had the
most serious look on their face and they go they
go X plus R plus Derek's hair times, like for
the serious face of it all, Cedric and Jerremi and
Aviv like many, I appreciate you for having a a
serious enough look on your face to go all the
(20:02):
way up that hill and say Derek's hair like fifteen
times in your head on the way up there.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Thank you for that. That was great.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But like, so we're running up there and we're memorizing shit, right,
and some people are working together in in in clusters
so they can kind of like you know, have an
easier you know, go at this thing at the end
of it.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
What about just like you know, people just being like
it's two two two, Like is that not fucking cheating? Like?
Why is that? Is that not considered cheating? You know,
are they considering that cheating?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Because like maybe you had them, you know, you only
had d throwing the thing, and then maybe you had
John A at the end of this thing being like,
you know what, I'm just gonna throw it because everyone
else did, and they got all this footage of like
all these vegetables all over the place. So those people
must have cheated. But what about the two two too?
What about what about the numbers? What about just like
telling each other what the answers? Is that not cheating too?
(20:56):
And are they considering that cheating because it could be
considered cheating when in the grand scheme of things, you
got TJ saying what I hate more about cheaters is
or what I hate more about quitters is cheaters, And
there was more cheating going on, you know, the whole
word the riddle, the riddle at the end of this thing?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Is that cheating?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Well it's you know, it's Turbo's kryptonite doing a riddle. Yes,
is kryptonite is going to be English in trivia? In English?
But it is it also like, you know, is it
cheating for him to wait for Sydney to come and
help him and give him the answer?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Like is that sweating too?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Look, we've been talking about this show for forty one seasons.
Is it just the eating one of the No, it's
not just the eating, although the eating is what he
mentions at the end. Right, So they can tell you
whether they thought that they're giving.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
The answer them up real quick.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
These shows pick and choose when they think that sharing
information is cheating or not. Right. So, there was an
episode of Survivor I think it was either the last
season or the season before, where one of the teams
literally went and basically like did the other tribes thing
for them? And it was I believe it was called cheating.
But it varies in eliminations, right. There are eliminations where
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they want you guys yelling stuff out because why do
they like that? Because it shows us as viewers who's
working with who and then correct me if I'm wrong.
There are other eliminations where they tell you, verbatim, do
not say a single word if you do you're in
trouble or whatever. And the reason is yeah, yeah, god no.
But the reason is this, when you can give when
you could do like, for instance, just give answers, you're
(22:35):
not allowed to just give the answer. You're allowed to
give like tips like go to the right or something. Right.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I can't really remember of what you're describing as far
as the last thing you said, like, hey, you can
say things, just don't give the answer, or you know,
maybe you can say go to the right, like for example,
the Gabe and Johnny elimination this season, they told us like,
don't say anything because there's a wall that you know.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You're not allowed to tell him when he's there. You're
not allowed to say he's in the middle one, he's
on the right one.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
They're saying. Yeah, they're saying, don't say anything. They don't
say any reason. They'll get it once it starts. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
The mechanics of that is that the whole point is
that you can't see your opponent, and if they're quiet
and whatnot, you shouldn't know where they are. And since
you can see them, by technicality, if you just yell
out to the person, it defeats the purpose, right, same.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Same with the Derek versus Corey Wharton elimination, with the
blindfolds and and the punching. They weren't allowed to say, Oh,
he's right in front of you, go hit you know.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
My point is this. My point is this, though, and
they they should make it a point regardless of what
they decide before or after, where the outcomes should never
be that the people who weren't going to win are like,
thank god, the whole thing's strapped, or that the people
that cheated are like, you know what, probably want to
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cheat again. And as us as viewers, we like, man,
I just wasted forty minutes of my time. I don't
care what you come up with, but it shouldn't be that.
And whether it's fair or unfair to someone who didn't
cheat or did cheat, come up with something that is
more fair to me and my time. That's just how
I feel. I'm sorry. And speaking of time, we're running
out of time for the free feed, so we're gonna
(24:18):
say goodbye to the free feet. If you want to
hear us continue to break this down, go to challenge
maniac dot com. We've got a lot more to talk about,
not just on this episode. Because I saw you there
on instagram sending telegrams to Derek Chavez, comment after comment
after comment. I want to ask about that, and we'll
talk a little bit more about the partner that you received,
or whether you're worried about being tethered to her this
season and everything else that happens this episode. You go
(24:40):
to challenge Maniacs dot com if you want to hear
or watch the rest of this.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Are you talking about the marriage made in Hell?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Oh? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Chef Boyard who
has partnered with the other Chef boyar d. Go to
challenge Maniacs dot com if you want to watch the
rest of this, or here the rest of this and
we're gonna kick it over to Patriarch, all right, D.
So yeah, let's talk about it. All right, guys, this
sends your time here on Challenge Mania.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Take care of yourselves and hopefully we'll see in the future.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
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