August 13, 2025 • 29 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
What's up, everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Scott and Derek here ready to break down episode three
of the Challenge season forty one vets and new threats.
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We will reciprocate. All right, d what's going on?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Man?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Are you the challenger? Is Johnny the challenge?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Here's the challenge?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I mean, I'm just glad that I'm alive after that,
uh that that leap of faith into the competition today.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I will say this.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Not to make it about me, Yeah all right, make
this is not to make it, Not to make this
episode about me, Not to make the challenge about me,
not to make the elimination about me. But I guess
in some ways I am gonna have to make it
about me because this is this is our podcast, and
we will get into you know, is Johnny the challenge? Like?
(01:56):
And how how big of a park is he the challenge?
Obviously to call this episode episode three of That's the
New Threats. I am the challenge. The guy's done twenty
five seasons. So we will get into who is the challenge?
What they may have cut out from this episode that
I was interested that they did. Who decided to not
(02:17):
side with Johnny this episode? But I guess look talking
a lot about Johnny. I mean, he does play a
big part in the Challenge universe. The Challenge definitely wouldn't
be what it is without him, and we are he
is a part of all of these storylines every single week.
But I would disagree, No, he is not just completely
(02:38):
the Challenge. We are all the Challenge, including everyone that's
listening to this podcast right now, everyone that comes to
Challenge mainly live, and everyone that listens to more than
just watching the show and what listens to Johnny's podcast,
are podcast, whoever Challenge podcast it is, we are all
the Challenge. That's that's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, we've got a lot of fun stuff to talk about,
a lot of interesting stuff to talk about. We're gonna
dive into that. Obviously, it's what they named the episode.
But as you briefly mentioned there, you were almost the
death in death taxes and bananas.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
You know, we have this clip here where you dive
into the water and quickly screaming help, help, Help, help, help,
And we never really got a full explanation. I mean,
you could tell me if you think we got a
full explanation, but walk us through why that was so
dire there for a moment why you felt the need
to call for help and why you gave everybody a
heart attack at home, because did seem like shortly after that, yes,
(03:32):
you waddle your way back up onto the platform, you're
safe in sound, but what was it about hitting that
water that made you feel like you needed to ask
for help like that?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Speaking of death, taxes and bananas, the other guy who
was potentially going to be a hangnail this episode was
also this guy that you're talking to. It was Derek
and Tay Versus America and Johnny in that vote.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
If you didn't catch that, you were.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
The death and the taxes in this episode.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
If I had to, yeah, and I like the and
I do like the calls of nuts and bananas when
we get together, so, uh, you know there's that. But yeah, look,
going back to uh, the the fall to to my
death almost it felt like, because we talk about this
on the podcast all the time, when there's a swimming challenge,
(04:19):
you have the option of wearing a life jacket or
not wearing a life jacket. But what you're also not
privy to is the jump that we that we made
h the jump that you saw h D and a
VV essentially get a challenge. A life flighted out uh
during during this comp this was something the water, uh
(04:42):
that that not a lot of us get it, get
a chance to to be privy to like this is
like save yourself from drowning type of ship. Uh. And
that's basically when you hear me say help, help, help. No,
it wasn't my knee, it was we were the first
people to go. And after you make it up this wall.
(05:05):
First of all, it's a swim that you go. I
don't know, I don't know exactly how long was I
forget it was. I think it was like two hundred meters.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It was like maybe like a matter of like a
five minute swim, right or something like that where it
feels like you're already having trouble making it there. So
what I learned here is if you have the option
to wear a life jacket, wear the fucking life jacket.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
That's me.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
That's where my swimming skills are. And in this moment,
I saw Sydney not wearing her life jacket, and I
saw how you know, how much she likes to boast
and talk about how great she is, And I go,
you know what, the one thing that I've been doing
at home.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Preparing for this challenge. Is swimming, not so much running, because.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
The knee really does is kind of you know still,
you know, seven months post it can do some things.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
It's capable.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
But I'm gonna swim, and I'm gonna bank on swimming
and in this and right now I'm thinking she thinks
she's a badass. I think I'm a bigger badass in
the pool. Come to find out, Sidney is a bigger
badass in the water. She has an extensive swimming background
as well as a college a running background, and in
(06:26):
this moment, she she kind of kicks my ass in
the water. Let me tell you what you guys don't see,
all right, So we decide to not wear our life jackets.
A lot of the other people after us, uh, decide
to wear their life jackets. I think Johnny doesn't wear
the life jacket because he's he's fairly familiar with.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
With the swim.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
But I decide not to wear my lifejacket and go
to toe to toe with Sidney. We get there, she
beats me to the wall. I'm already feeling like this
was a bad idea, not wearing the life jacket because
you get the open water is much different than swimming
in the pool. You got the waves, you got the currents,
you got the wind, and then you.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Have the we have water boots on.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
That's one thing that you guys probably don't see is
you have the water boots on and these the water
boots fill up with water. So instead of like like
swimming with your feet up kicking up above the water,
you're getting dragged down because of because of the weight
of those of those shoes. And also you have a
helmet on with a GoPro that's not allowing you to
(07:28):
put your face in the water.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
So where you would conventionally.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Swim in a pool like straight, you know, with your
hips up and your feet up, uh, and your head
in the water. Occasionally, you're not dipping your head in
the water that much. You're primarily swimming with your head
up because it's it's it's it's you got the waves,
you got the.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Helmet, it's it's it's really not a normal swim. Okay.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
So then you get to the wall, and the wall
is is also a big, uh, big obstacle.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
You see people falling off the wall, You see theo
fall off the wall. You see Ben fall off the wall,
you see Leroy fall off the wall, and they're automatically decute.
So you got to give a lot of credit to
the people that make the swim a tired swim, a
far swim, make it up the wall and do the
leap of f do the jump. Okay, D and Eve
(08:23):
do make this jump and they get rescued and they
do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I do.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Help, help help, Okay, So we see that, Yes we did, Yes,
we did. A lot of it does get choppy there
in the middle of this, like like probably like someone
like you, someone that just like watches it quickly or whatever,
can miss things.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I'll be honest. Once the daily starts, I'll be honest.
I maybe I start texting, maybe you know something like that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
You know, yeah, that's that's that's terrible, that's terrible.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Open well, but you know what you know, when I
put the phone down and I look to the screen
is when I hear hell, and I hear the music change,
and I hear so My point is that yeah, their
their evacuation or they're being pulled out was treated with
a little less uh suspense, Is yours?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Correct? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you get the car clip. You
get the car clip.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Well, well, I think it's also like a good.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
What's it called.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I think it's a good like taste tester to what
you're about to see on the challenge, right, like you're
seeing h a rookie you know from Survivor, you know,
kind of like a standout rookie. Like at this point,
she's talking a lot of shit this episode. She's very confident.
She's definitely I would say cocky.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
She's not confident.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
She's cocky in her abilities as a as a person,
as a h. I don't know if she's likes being
called the public defender, but I think she is a
public defender. She's a lawyer, and you know, I mean
she's super smart, she's she's Sydney.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
You're talking about Sydney.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Now Sidney.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
She Sidney is the whole package. And you get to
see this at the beginning of this episode, and she's
going up against basically a Derek.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
You know, that's a veteran dude.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
That's where this this should you know, aid to his abilities,
whereas no, on the contrary, Wow, we take the leap
of faith. It's about thirty feet. I think the heights
(10:29):
are longer are higher this time around, and we take
the leap of faith and I jump in.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
There and the walls.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I jump in and I don't know how far down
this the wall is underneath, because once you hit the water,
you're supposed to go go under. There's a wall that
you need to go under and around. Okay, Scott, you're
still following me here. Yep, there's a wall underneath this
(10:58):
thing that you have to swim on. It's not like
just jump in the water and it's right there. It's
not like it's two feet under. Later on we find
out exactly how high, how far under it is, because
when d and a Vive get pulled out, they pull
the whole contraption out of the water and you can
see where the water line is and it's about eight feet.
(11:22):
So at that point, after my run goes all right,
way before Jerremie and Cedric take their turns right, these
people get to see how far the water line is
and how far under they have to go, which is
why at the end of this game, Cedric and Jeermie
(11:45):
they're the last ones to go, and they've seen where
the water line is and they see where people have
made their mistakes. And their former military, and they're already
good in the water, so they know that once they
make their jump in, they can they can in their
in their minds, they can say, Okay, I gotta go
eight feet under there and come out on the other
(12:07):
side with one swoop. And that's the strategy. My strategy
going in first. Sydney's strategy going in first was jump
in there, come back up, and you know, feel out
where where the where the you know where the wall
is because once we go like, you don't know if
the wall is extended a certain amount, you don't know
how far down it is. And when I'm yelling help, help, help,
(12:31):
I hit the water and I automatically reached for something
to grab onto on the walls, and the walls just
I reached for a goal pro and it just I
just took it down. I reached for another goal pro
and I just took it down. And then I reached
for the walls and they just slid because the inside
of the walls are just like styrofoam padding, slick styrofoam padding,
(12:55):
almost like a like when you go to like a rest,
like a wrestling mat, it's like slot just slides. It's
just wet and you can't there's nothing to hold onto,
so I panic and my boots have water in them.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I'm not used to treading water. You now have to
like tread water while you're panicking. Nothing to hold onto and.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
You're tired, right, and you're out of breath, so you
have nothing else to do.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
But somebody come and save me. Somebody come and help me,
because I'm about to drown. Now.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
The scuba diver, the scuba team there takes a little
bit of time. Uh takes their time to come up
and see how I'm doing. And by the time they
come up, I've already kind of gathered my composure, figured
out how to tread the water and like save myself
from death. And he comes up, he pops up and
(13:48):
he goes, man, you are right, and I'm like, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Fine, I'm fine now.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Like thirty seconds ago, a minute ago, I was uh,
you know, screaming for help because I thought I was
gonna die. But thank you for not coming to thank
you for taking your time to come rescue me. And
then after that, like you gotta kind of now you're
like trying to figure out when to go back under
right and how far down it is, so I think
(14:18):
I took one more I took I gathered myself and
then I took one dip underwater to see like how
far it was down And.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
It was far.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
It wasn't like I couldn't reach it with my toes
and I had to come back up, gather myself again.
Tread water, tread water, don't die. Feel comfortable with the
breath that I'm about to take, cause it's still like
a man like a twenty second underwater, get underneath this thing,
come out on the other side, and like you're in
(14:50):
the water for like another twenty five twenty seconds, you.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Know, Like, but did they help you at all?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
No, they didn't help me.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
No, they just got there and you had already fixed.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
No, they got there, asked him, looked in my face
and said are you okay?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
And I said yeah, I'm okay. Oh wow, and then
he yeah. Then he then he left.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
We don't see. We don't see that, right.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
No, you don't see, but you do see Dean Aviv
getting rescued by by the scuba team.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think, uh yeah, it was interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I think a lot of people had wondered whether you
had gotten re injured, whether you were drowning.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Uh and then it does sort of kind of naturally
just fix itself.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So thank you for making it clear here on the podcast.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Well, well let me tell you, so, this is obviously
my first time jumping that deep into water post surgery.
I don't know how my knee is going to respond
to the you know, hitting the water like that. Like
I'm literally just like, all right, here goes nothing. You know,
(15:57):
I hope everything's okay. Like I'm not wearing my brace
during the swim. I could be I'm not wearing my
brace during the climb, and I'm not wearing it in.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
The jump because I think it's gonna hold me back.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
So uh, you know, I had no idea how it
was going to you know, respond, And I'm you know
to like the Karras and the cts and and the
Johnny's and everyone that knows what I had gone.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Through and how you know, potentially detrimental.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
This could be, Like I get it to people watching
at home, I get it. They could think it's the
knee and thank god it wasn't. But this was this
is this was a this is a challenge. This is
why I do the challenge. This is this type of
competition is exactly why I love coming back and playing
this game, is because we get to do ship like this.
(16:46):
This was completely fucking awesome. Just like Turbo says, I
would pay to do some of this ship, I would
pay to do this.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
They have these walls at pools. They have these pool
They have these walls at pools in some.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Places where you have to climb it with like wet hands,
go to the top, jump off.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Fucking awesome, awesome, awesome challenge. Man.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, Turbo has some pretty funny lines in this episode,
Turbo and having some.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Fun at Theo's expense.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Theo's Boo Olivia taking down this daily with mister Justin here.
Justin's had a lot of ups and downs these first
three episodes. Obviously, he's already got an elimination win, number
one points leader for the guys. Uh. He's been very
active on social media, Uh, much of it at Derek
Chavez's expense. Here and I mean, dare I say, has
(17:35):
gotten probably the most screen time on the on the
show save for maybe a Johnny bananaz Uh, what say
you about Justin here? And and put us back in
the house. Are you starting to look at Justin as
a literal threat and not just a threat in name alone.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Here.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah, so obviously when Justin kind of came into the game,
you like, you don't know much about these people, accept
like the mountain about how will they climbed the mountain,
which basically tells you how much endurance they have, how
much leg strength they have, uh, you know, their abilities
in that area, right, So he finishes kind of middle
(18:12):
of the pack, a little bit behind me, and that's
all you have to work off of it.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
And then it's just the social the size up, you.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Know, like we see basically Gabe is sizing up a
Naya this this episode and her not liking it at all,
just to find out that at the end, you know,
she you know, his assessment wasn't like completely off from
looking at that knee, you know, same thing with me,
(18:39):
like I think people looking at me, especially early on there,
I'm not I'm not I'm not showing anything exciting. What
Justin is bringing to the table is something exciting, and
from a from an underdog standpoint, a guy that probably
you know, we weren't expecting to you know, to do
this well this early with the cheerleading background, well, here
he is, surprise, surprise, he takes out a previous champ
(19:02):
in in Rogan and and then you know, a few episode,
two episodes later, he's winning the Daily with Olivia the
front runner, the anti Johnny Bananas or is she the
anti Johnny Banas or is this just happening naturally? And
is this just you know, to kind of poke fun
at the seven time champion. You know, we'll we'll continue
getting into that a little bit later on what this
(19:23):
episode means means for Johnny, his legacy and whether or
not he is uh the challenge. But you know, going
back to Justin, uh, come to find out he also
has an extensive swimming background and uh, I think he
did wear his life jackets. So kudos to him, and
uh yeah, great, good for him.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
He you know, he coined that listen he.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Well, but tell people in case anyone's just listening, they
don't see on video. By the way, you should be
watching video Challenge maniax dot com. I'm holding up something
I made. Just you am I am the challenge No
because because I I zoom, maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
But let's let's wonder here.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Now. You know, it's about ten o'clock here on Wednesday evening.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I wouldn't be surprised if already mister Bananas has some
I Am the Challenge swag in his banana shop. We
know he likes to coin a phrase, we know he
likes to market himself. I would be shocked if he
doesn't start putting out goodies like this. But you bet
you're asked. We're gonna make these two and probably have
him in Nashville, where we will have Johnny Bananas not
just appearing on a live panel and a meat greet,
(20:27):
but also performing some live music on the guitar. That's right,
Banana Rue will be closing the show in Nashville, a
city winery music city. Johnny Banana is known to bring
an acoustic guitar to a Challenge set, and now he's
bringing it to a Challenge Mania live set. So he
is the Challenge. We're gonna find out if he is
a good stage performer. And spoiler alert, if you've ever
(20:48):
seen his Instagram videos, he is pretty good.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
So that should be fun. But yeah, I mean, look,
so you tell me.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Let us know, is Johnny Arty Hawkin I am the
Challenge merch I'd be shocked if he is.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
So is he or is it?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Hey? The challenge I mean is this he's you know
what does this make him look like?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Are we gonna save that for our.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, yeah, we're gonna say goodbye to pay Yeah. So
here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
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(21:33):
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Speaker 1 (21:55):
Is this just a quote?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Is this just him cutting a wrestling promo? Or does
he have a point here? Or does he have a
point here with the amount of seasons he's done with
as synonymous with the show as he is, and to
be honest with you, with as much of a target
(22:16):
as he has become, even as a prospective hangnail, he's
not even going into the elimination. It's just to make
him the hangnail. Is he correct that he is the challenge?
That's what you're gonna get, a challenge maniacs dot com.
But I do have one more question for you here
on the free feed. This comes from Paul. This is
from last week's episode. Actually, a lot of people online
have been talking about this bus fight between I believe
it was Gabe and Will I think right? And or
(22:39):
Gabe and someone else?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Right? Was it Gab and Will?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I don't? I don't think it was on the bus?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Think?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Well?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Where was?
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I think it was?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
At the clerb Okay? Well, Paul praised it as a
bus fight. Derek, what can you tell us about this
bus fight from last week that we didn't see?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
What also at the club? Okay, so there was a fight.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
A lot of people, I believe maybe Justin, have said
that this fight led to a reduction in the amount
of alcohol you guys are allowed to have. So for something,
is that true? Is there any truth to that rumor?
Feel free to come in here. You want to say
this for Patreon too.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
It doesn't matter to me, but a lot of.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
This isn't you breaking these news? Justin and other people
have talked about this fight. I believe maybe America or
Blue or someone like that was out there talking about
it as well.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like, uh, so.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
There's been a lot of problems with Gabe up to
this point, Like Gabe has been having a lot of problems,
not so much with me, but with with his rookie castmates.
I guess at some point he's sort of I don't know,
he kind of like he I guess, like in the hotel,
he was very much like in the game, already trying
(23:48):
to play the game at the hotel. Talent Defense seems
like Dean Will were too as well, kind of right, yeah,
well yeah in some ways. But anyway, I think I
think he like he got close with people and then
started voting in a different direction or or something like that,
(24:10):
and then obviously pissed off Naya.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
So so now it's.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Like the entire house is against Gabe and when and
when and when when? Mikayla at the end of this
episode says Gabe needs to learn to like be quiet.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
And sit down in a corner and learn his lesson.
This is it.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
It's because he's basically turned all his rookie friends against him.
They're all pissed off at him, and now you have
Naya Hurricane Naya uh coming after him for kind of
speaking out of pocket if you will too early, disrespecting
the challenge Vetu despite only seeing her, you know, compete
(24:52):
in you know, three challenges.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I think she even mentioned that.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
She's got more points than him, really shitting on and
eventually they make up, but she even.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Goes as far as to say she's debating throwing it
so that uh, you know, she she's like, hey, why
don't I just walk?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
And then you're your season screwed too, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
So I don't know that that necessarily comes out of
the mouth of a champion.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
But listen, this shows how volatile it had gotten.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Listen, more knee issues, you know, uh, you know, and
and and.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
But as far as the fight goes, if we're gonna
leave it here, uh, and.
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Speaker 4 (25:45):
You tell me, I I don't care. Personally, I am
a sell me.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I'm a witness.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
I walked in on the tail end of it because
what had happened first was was the Leo versus Derek
Chavez argument, the bogo argument, if you will, the two
for one that was really just, uh, you had to
pay for one, and he walked off with the drink argument.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
And then came the the.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Gabe and and uh, the Gabe and Will argument, which
was which was really just like I think, I think, Uh,
he was calling him like a flip flop. I think
Will was calling Gabe a flip flop because at some
point during the nominations he may have him and his
partner may have voted in a different direction.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I don't know if it had. It must have been before,
it must have been one of the first few.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Will also dealing with this other stuff, right, I mean, right,
like Will's got a lot on his mind now, right.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Well, but I think I think it was more of
like the Will making a stand against Gabe.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I think I think it was. I think I think
I think a.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Lot of these rookie guys had been talking, and they
had been calling basically gave a flip flop and and
and I think that's that's where it stems from. And
I think Leroy got in the middle of it. This
guy's already punched the wall, correct, Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Okay, so before this fight, he's gotten into a fight
with the kitchen or whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
It may have been the same night, right, So it's
possible they just like leave that part out because you
already had, uh, the Leo, the Leo Derek argument for
an episode.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And also, and also, let's be honest, a lot of
it's being put on d and the love triangle, right,
so you've got that, and then if you then throw
in the game thing, now it's just Is Will, kind
of a hot headed, maybe a little bit overserved guy
who's getting into it with everybody. So I think it
actually makes the love triangle more at center stage, all right,
(27:46):
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Speaker 2 (01:20):
Man?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Are you the challenger? Is Johnny the challenge?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Here's the challenge?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I mean, I'm just glad that I'm alive after that,
uh that that leap of faith into the competition today.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I will say this.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Not to make it about me, Yeah all right, make
this is not to make it, Not to make this
episode about me, Not to make the challenge about me,
not to make the elimination about me. But I guess
in some ways I am gonna have to make it
about me because this is this is our podcast, and
we will get into you know, is Johnny the challenge? Like?
(01:56):
And how how big of a park is he the challenge?
Obviously to call this episode episode three of That's the
New Threats. I am the challenge. The guy's done twenty
five seasons. So we will get into who is the challenge?
What they may have cut out from this episode that
I was interested that they did. Who decided to not
(02:17):
side with Johnny this episode? But I guess look talking
a lot about Johnny. I mean, he does play a
big part in the Challenge universe. The Challenge definitely wouldn't
be what it is without him, and we are he
is a part of all of these storylines every single week.
But I would disagree, No, he is not just completely
(02:38):
the Challenge. We are all the Challenge, including everyone that's
listening to this podcast right now, everyone that comes to
Challenge mainly live, and everyone that listens to more than
just watching the show and what listens to Johnny's podcast,
are podcast, whoever Challenge podcast it is, we are all
the Challenge. That's that's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, we've got a lot of fun stuff to talk about,
a lot of interesting stuff to talk about. We're gonna
dive into that. Obviously, it's what they named the episode.
But as you briefly mentioned there, you were almost the
death in death taxes and bananas.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
You know, we have this clip here where you dive
into the water and quickly screaming help, help, Help, help, help,
And we never really got a full explanation. I mean,
you could tell me if you think we got a
full explanation, but walk us through why that was so
dire there for a moment why you felt the need
to call for help and why you gave everybody a
heart attack at home, because did seem like shortly after that, yes,
(03:32):
you waddle your way back up onto the platform, you're
safe in sound, but what was it about hitting that
water that made you feel like you needed to ask
for help like that?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Speaking of death, taxes and bananas, the other guy who
was potentially going to be a hangnail this episode was
also this guy that you're talking to. It was Derek
and Tay Versus America and Johnny in that vote.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
If you didn't catch that, you were.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
The death and the taxes in this episode.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
If I had to, yeah, and I like the and
I do like the calls of nuts and bananas when
we get together, so, uh, you know there's that. But yeah, look,
going back to uh, the the fall to to my
death almost it felt like, because we talk about this
on the podcast all the time, when there's a swimming challenge,
(04:19):
you have the option of wearing a life jacket or
not wearing a life jacket. But what you're also not
privy to is the jump that we that we made
h the jump that you saw h D and a
VV essentially get a challenge. A life flighted out uh
during during this comp this was something the water, uh
(04:42):
that that not a lot of us get it, get
a chance to to be privy to like this is
like save yourself from drowning type of ship. Uh. And
that's basically when you hear me say help, help, help. No,
it wasn't my knee, it was we were the first
people to go. And after you make it up this wall.
(05:05):
First of all, it's a swim that you go. I
don't know, I don't know exactly how long was I
forget it was. I think it was like two hundred meters.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It was like maybe like a matter of like a
five minute swim, right or something like that where it
feels like you're already having trouble making it there. So
what I learned here is if you have the option
to wear a life jacket, wear the fucking life jacket.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
That's me.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
That's where my swimming skills are. And in this moment,
I saw Sydney not wearing her life jacket, and I
saw how you know, how much she likes to boast
and talk about how great she is, And I go,
you know what, the one thing that I've been doing
at home.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Preparing for this challenge. Is swimming, not so much running, because.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
The knee really does is kind of you know still,
you know, seven months post it can do some things.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
It's capable.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
But I'm gonna swim, and I'm gonna bank on swimming
and in this and right now I'm thinking she thinks
she's a badass. I think I'm a bigger badass in
the pool. Come to find out, Sidney is a bigger
badass in the water. She has an extensive swimming background
as well as a college a running background, and in
(06:26):
this moment, she she kind of kicks my ass in
the water. Let me tell you what you guys don't see,
all right, So we decide to not wear our life jackets.
A lot of the other people after us, uh, decide
to wear their life jackets. I think Johnny doesn't wear
the life jacket because he's he's fairly familiar with.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
With the swim.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
But I decide not to wear my lifejacket and go
to toe to toe with Sidney. We get there, she
beats me to the wall. I'm already feeling like this
was a bad idea, not wearing the life jacket because
you get the open water is much different than swimming
in the pool. You got the waves, you got the currents,
you got the wind, and then you.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Have the we have water boots on.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
That's one thing that you guys probably don't see is
you have the water boots on and these the water
boots fill up with water. So instead of like like
swimming with your feet up kicking up above the water,
you're getting dragged down because of because of the weight
of those of those shoes. And also you have a
helmet on with a GoPro that's not allowing you to
(07:28):
put your face in the water.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
So where you would conventionally.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Swim in a pool like straight, you know, with your
hips up and your feet up, uh, and your head
in the water. Occasionally, you're not dipping your head in
the water that much. You're primarily swimming with your head
up because it's it's it's it's you got the waves,
you got the.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Helmet, it's it's it's really not a normal swim. Okay.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
So then you get to the wall, and the wall
is is also a big, uh, big obstacle.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
You see people falling off the wall, You see theo
fall off the wall. You see Ben fall off the wall,
you see Leroy fall off the wall, and they're automatically decute.
So you got to give a lot of credit to
the people that make the swim a tired swim, a
far swim, make it up the wall and do the
leap of f do the jump. Okay, D and Eve
(08:23):
do make this jump and they get rescued and they
do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I do.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Help, help help, Okay, So we see that, Yes we did, Yes,
we did. A lot of it does get choppy there
in the middle of this, like like probably like someone
like you, someone that just like watches it quickly or whatever,
can miss things.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I'll be honest. Once the daily starts, I'll be honest.
I maybe I start texting, maybe you know something like that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
You know, yeah, that's that's that's terrible, that's terrible.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Open well, but you know what you know, when I
put the phone down and I look to the screen
is when I hear hell, and I hear the music change,
and I hear so My point is that yeah, their
their evacuation or they're being pulled out was treated with
a little less uh suspense, Is yours?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Correct? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you get the car clip. You
get the car clip.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Well, well, I think it's also like a good.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
What's it called.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I think it's a good like taste tester to what
you're about to see on the challenge, right, like you're
seeing h a rookie you know from Survivor, you know,
kind of like a standout rookie. Like at this point,
she's talking a lot of shit this episode. She's very confident.
She's definitely I would say cocky.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
She's not confident.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
She's cocky in her abilities as a as a person,
as a h. I don't know if she's likes being
called the public defender, but I think she is a
public defender. She's a lawyer, and you know, I mean
she's super smart, she's she's Sydney.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
You're talking about Sydney.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Now Sidney.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
She Sidney is the whole package. And you get to
see this at the beginning of this episode, and she's
going up against basically a Derek.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
You know, that's a veteran dude.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
That's where this this should you know, aid to his abilities,
whereas no, on the contrary, Wow, we take the leap
of faith. It's about thirty feet. I think the heights
(10:29):
are longer are higher this time around, and we take
the leap of faith and I jump in.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
There and the walls.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I jump in and I don't know how far down
this the wall is underneath, because once you hit the water,
you're supposed to go go under. There's a wall that
you need to go under and around. Okay, Scott, you're
still following me here. Yep, there's a wall underneath this
(10:58):
thing that you have to swim on. It's not like
just jump in the water and it's right there. It's
not like it's two feet under. Later on we find
out exactly how high, how far under it is, because
when d and a Vive get pulled out, they pull
the whole contraption out of the water and you can
see where the water line is and it's about eight feet.
(11:22):
So at that point, after my run goes all right,
way before Jerremie and Cedric take their turns right, these
people get to see how far the water line is
and how far under they have to go, which is
why at the end of this game, Cedric and Jeermie
(11:45):
they're the last ones to go, and they've seen where
the water line is and they see where people have
made their mistakes. And their former military, and they're already
good in the water, so they know that once they
make their jump in, they can they can in their
in their minds, they can say, Okay, I gotta go
eight feet under there and come out on the other
(12:07):
side with one swoop. And that's the strategy. My strategy
going in first. Sydney's strategy going in first was jump
in there, come back up, and you know, feel out
where where the where the you know where the wall
is because once we go like, you don't know if
the wall is extended a certain amount, you don't know
how far down it is. And when I'm yelling help, help, help,
(12:31):
I hit the water and I automatically reached for something
to grab onto on the walls, and the walls just
I reached for a goal pro and it just I
just took it down. I reached for another goal pro
and I just took it down. And then I reached
for the walls and they just slid because the inside
of the walls are just like styrofoam padding, slick styrofoam padding,
(12:55):
almost like a like when you go to like a rest,
like a wrestling mat, it's like slot just slides. It's
just wet and you can't there's nothing to hold onto,
so I panic and my boots have water in them.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I'm not used to treading water. You now have to
like tread water while you're panicking. Nothing to hold onto and.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
You're tired, right, and you're out of breath, so you
have nothing else to do.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
But somebody come and save me. Somebody come and help me,
because I'm about to drown. Now.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
The scuba diver, the scuba team there takes a little
bit of time. Uh takes their time to come up
and see how I'm doing. And by the time they
come up, I've already kind of gathered my composure, figured
out how to tread the water and like save myself
from death. And he comes up, he pops up and
(13:48):
he goes, man, you are right, and I'm like, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Fine, I'm fine now.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Like thirty seconds ago, a minute ago, I was uh,
you know, screaming for help because I thought I was
gonna die. But thank you for not coming to thank
you for taking your time to come rescue me. And
then after that, like you gotta kind of now you're
like trying to figure out when to go back under
right and how far down it is, so I think
(14:18):
I took one more I took I gathered myself and
then I took one dip underwater to see like how
far it was down And.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
It was far.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
It wasn't like I couldn't reach it with my toes
and I had to come back up, gather myself again.
Tread water, tread water, don't die. Feel comfortable with the
breath that I'm about to take, cause it's still like
a man like a twenty second underwater, get underneath this thing,
come out on the other side, and like you're in
(14:50):
the water for like another twenty five twenty seconds, you.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Know, Like, but did they help you at all?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
No, they didn't help me.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
No, they just got there and you had already fixed.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
No, they got there, asked him, looked in my face
and said are you okay?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
And I said yeah, I'm okay. Oh wow, and then
he yeah. Then he then he left.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
We don't see. We don't see that, right.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
No, you don't see, but you do see Dean Aviv
getting rescued by by the scuba team.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think, uh yeah, it was interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I think a lot of people had wondered whether you
had gotten re injured, whether you were drowning.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Uh and then it does sort of kind of naturally
just fix itself.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So thank you for making it clear here on the podcast.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Well, well let me tell you, so, this is obviously
my first time jumping that deep into water post surgery.
I don't know how my knee is going to respond
to the you know, hitting the water like that. Like
I'm literally just like, all right, here goes nothing. You know,
(15:57):
I hope everything's okay. Like I'm not wearing my brace
during the swim. I could be I'm not wearing my
brace during the climb, and I'm not wearing it in.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
The jump because I think it's gonna hold me back.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
So uh, you know, I had no idea how it
was going to you know, respond, And I'm you know
to like the Karras and the cts and and the
Johnny's and everyone that knows what I had gone.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Through and how you know, potentially detrimental.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
This could be, Like I get it to people watching
at home, I get it. They could think it's the
knee and thank god it wasn't. But this was this
is this was a this is a challenge. This is
why I do the challenge. This is this type of
competition is exactly why I love coming back and playing
this game, is because we get to do ship like this.
(16:46):
This was completely fucking awesome. Just like Turbo says, I
would pay to do some of this ship, I would
pay to do this.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
They have these walls at pools. They have these pool
They have these walls at pools in some.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Places where you have to climb it with like wet hands,
go to the top, jump off.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Fucking awesome, awesome, awesome challenge. Man.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, Turbo has some pretty funny lines in this episode,
Turbo and having some.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Fun at Theo's expense.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Theo's Boo Olivia taking down this daily with mister Justin here.
Justin's had a lot of ups and downs these first
three episodes. Obviously, he's already got an elimination win, number
one points leader for the guys. Uh. He's been very
active on social media, Uh, much of it at Derek
Chavez's expense. Here and I mean, dare I say, has
(17:35):
gotten probably the most screen time on the on the
show save for maybe a Johnny bananaz Uh, what say
you about Justin here? And and put us back in
the house. Are you starting to look at Justin as
a literal threat and not just a threat in name alone.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Here.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah, so obviously when Justin kind of came into the game,
you like, you don't know much about these people, accept
like the mountain about how will they climbed the mountain,
which basically tells you how much endurance they have, how
much leg strength they have, uh, you know, their abilities
in that area, right, So he finishes kind of middle
(18:12):
of the pack, a little bit behind me, and that's
all you have to work off of it.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
And then it's just the social the size up, you.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Know, like we see basically Gabe is sizing up a
Naya this this episode and her not liking it at all,
just to find out that at the end, you know,
she you know, his assessment wasn't like completely off from
looking at that knee, you know, same thing with me,
(18:39):
like I think people looking at me, especially early on there,
I'm not I'm not I'm not showing anything exciting. What
Justin is bringing to the table is something exciting, and
from a from an underdog standpoint, a guy that probably
you know, we weren't expecting to you know, to do
this well this early with the cheerleading background, well, here
he is, surprise, surprise, he takes out a previous champ
(19:02):
in in Rogan and and then you know, a few episode,
two episodes later, he's winning the Daily with Olivia the
front runner, the anti Johnny Bananas or is she the
anti Johnny Banas or is this just happening naturally? And
is this just you know, to kind of poke fun
at the seven time champion. You know, we'll we'll continue
getting into that a little bit later on what this
(19:23):
episode means means for Johnny, his legacy and whether or
not he is uh the challenge. But you know, going
back to Justin, uh, come to find out he also
has an extensive swimming background and uh, I think he
did wear his life jackets. So kudos to him, and
uh yeah, great, good for him.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
He you know, he coined that listen he.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Well, but tell people in case anyone's just listening, they
don't see on video. By the way, you should be
watching video Challenge maniax dot com. I'm holding up something
I made. Just you am I am the challenge No
because because I I zoom, maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
But let's let's wonder here.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Now. You know, it's about ten o'clock here on Wednesday evening.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I wouldn't be surprised if already mister Bananas has some
I Am the Challenge swag in his banana shop. We
know he likes to coin a phrase, we know he
likes to market himself. I would be shocked if he
doesn't start putting out goodies like this. But you bet
you're asked. We're gonna make these two and probably have
him in Nashville, where we will have Johnny Bananas not
just appearing on a live panel and a meat greet,
(20:27):
but also performing some live music on the guitar. That's right,
Banana Rue will be closing the show in Nashville, a
city winery music city. Johnny Banana is known to bring
an acoustic guitar to a Challenge set, and now he's
bringing it to a Challenge Mania live set. So he
is the Challenge. We're gonna find out if he is
a good stage performer. And spoiler alert, if you've ever
(20:48):
seen his Instagram videos, he is pretty good.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
So that should be fun. But yeah, I mean, look,
so you tell me.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Let us know, is Johnny Arty Hawkin I am the
Challenge merch I'd be shocked if he is.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
So is he or is it?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Hey? The challenge I mean is this he's you know
what does this make him look like?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Are we gonna save that for our.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, yeah, we're gonna say goodbye to pay Yeah. So
here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I'm gonna tease everybody to go to challengemaniacs dot com
because there's a million reasons to go to Challenge Maniacs
dot com. Obviously, like I said, full video of all
of our shows, interviews, most of our live shows, first
access to tickets, so you never miss out on a
BP meet and greet. For instance, if you're living in Beantown,
if you're in Boston and you're sad that that show
is sold out, well, you know who had early access
to tickets patrons over at Challenge Maniacs dot com. So
(21:33):
there's a million reasons to go over there. We're gonna
have more shows obviously to announce in the future. You
get first access to those. We've got added bonus perks
for Diesel and Savage Level, but Maniac Levels would get
you all the bonus content. So I'm gonna tease people
to go over there because we're gonna say goodbye to
the main feed to the free feed in a second,
and over at Patreon. Over at challengemaniacs dot com is
where we're gonna discuss if he really is the challenge?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Is this just a quote?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Is this just him cutting a wrestling promo? Or does
he have a point here? Or does he have a
point here with the amount of seasons he's done with
as synonymous with the show as he is, and to
be honest with you, with as much of a target
(22:16):
as he has become, even as a prospective hangnail, he's
not even going into the elimination. It's just to make
him the hangnail. Is he correct that he is the challenge?
That's what you're gonna get, a challenge maniacs dot com.
But I do have one more question for you here
on the free feed. This comes from Paul. This is
from last week's episode. Actually, a lot of people online
have been talking about this bus fight between I believe
it was Gabe and Will I think right? And or
(22:39):
Gabe and someone else?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Right? Was it Gab and Will?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I don't? I don't think it was on the bus?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Think?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Well?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Where was?
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I think it was?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
At the clerb Okay? Well, Paul praised it as a
bus fight. Derek, what can you tell us about this
bus fight from last week that we didn't see?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
What also at the club? Okay, so there was a fight.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
A lot of people, I believe maybe Justin, have said
that this fight led to a reduction in the amount
of alcohol you guys are allowed to have. So for something,
is that true? Is there any truth to that rumor?
Feel free to come in here. You want to say
this for Patreon too.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
It doesn't matter to me, but a lot of.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
This isn't you breaking these news? Justin and other people
have talked about this fight. I believe maybe America or
Blue or someone like that was out there talking about
it as well.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like, uh, so.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
There's been a lot of problems with Gabe up to
this point, Like Gabe has been having a lot of problems,
not so much with me, but with with his rookie castmates.
I guess at some point he's sort of I don't know,
he kind of like he I guess, like in the hotel,
he was very much like in the game, already trying
(23:48):
to play the game at the hotel. Talent Defense seems
like Dean Will were too as well, kind of right, yeah,
well yeah in some ways. But anyway, I think I
think he like he got close with people and then
started voting in a different direction or or something like that,
(24:10):
and then obviously pissed off Naya.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
So so now it's.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Like the entire house is against Gabe and when and
when and when when? Mikayla at the end of this
episode says Gabe needs to learn to like be quiet.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
And sit down in a corner and learn his lesson.
This is it.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
It's because he's basically turned all his rookie friends against him.
They're all pissed off at him, and now you have
Naya Hurricane Naya uh coming after him for kind of
speaking out of pocket if you will too early, disrespecting
the challenge Vetu despite only seeing her, you know, compete
(24:52):
in you know, three challenges.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I think she even mentioned that.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
She's got more points than him, really shitting on and
eventually they make up, but she even.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Goes as far as to say she's debating throwing it
so that uh, you know, she she's like, hey, why
don't I just walk?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
And then you're your season screwed too, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
So I don't know that that necessarily comes out of
the mouth of a champion.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
But listen, this shows how volatile it had gotten.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Listen, more knee issues, you know, uh, you know, and
and and.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
But as far as the fight goes, if we're gonna
leave it here, uh, and.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
If you want to save something, if there's regarding this
this topic that you want to save for Patreon for
challenge maniac dot com, feel free let me know and
we'll say by the.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
To the freeloaders.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Because if you're if this fight was as hot and
heavy as people are saying, then hey, maybe it's got
to go to challengemaniac dot com.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
You tell me, I I don't care. Personally, I am
a sell me.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I'm a witness.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
I walked in on the tail end of it because
what had happened first was was the Leo versus Derek
Chavez argument, the bogo argument, if you will, the two
for one that was really just, uh, you had to
pay for one, and he walked off with the drink argument.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
And then came the the.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Gabe and and uh, the Gabe and Will argument, which
was which was really just like I think, I think, Uh,
he was calling him like a flip flop. I think
Will was calling Gabe a flip flop because at some
point during the nominations he may have him and his
partner may have voted in a different direction.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I don't know if it had. It must have been before,
it must have been one of the first few.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Will also dealing with this other stuff, right, I mean, right,
like Will's got a lot on his mind now, right.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Well, but I think I think it was more of
like the Will making a stand against Gabe.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I think I think it was. I think I think
I think a.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Lot of these rookie guys had been talking, and they
had been calling basically gave a flip flop and and
and I think that's that's where it stems from. And
I think Leroy got in the middle of it. This
guy's already punched the wall, correct, Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Okay, so before this fight, he's gotten into a fight
with the kitchen or whatever.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
It may have been the same night, right, So it's
possible they just like leave that part out because you
already had, uh, the Leo, the Leo Derek argument for
an episode.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And also, and also, let's be honest, a lot of
it's being put on d and the love triangle, right,
so you've got that, and then if you then throw
in the game thing, now it's just Is Will, kind
of a hot headed, maybe a little bit overserved guy
who's getting into it with everybody. So I think it
actually makes the love triangle more at center stage, all right,
(27:46):
we got to say goodbye to the main feet and
I have some Bob questions about this as it applies
to the to the drinking and things like that and
and stuff that Justin said about that the buy one,
get one free, whatever you're talking about there, we'll talk
about that at challenge Madia dot com. If you're listening
over at the briefeed, please follow us over there. If not,
go to Challenge Mania dot Live. We might be coming
to a city near you. We've got Detroit, We've got Buffalo,
We've got Nashville, we've got Boston, but it's sold out.
(28:08):
But next up is Chicago August thirty first, Carl, Maria,
Devin Walker, Michelle Fitzgerald, Ryan Keyo, Mark Derek and myself
and then the following week stand up live in Phoenix.
What a hell of a lineup. Lot of season forty
one on this lineup Olivia Theo Anissa Ben will be
in the house. Derek Shavez we can finally get his
thoughts on this whole back and forth between him and
(28:29):
Justin so a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Tyson Apostle will be there.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Still tickets available, Meet and greet available for both those
shows actually.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Chicago and for Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
So go to challenge Mania dot Live today and join
us and we will see you over at challengemaniacs dot com.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
All right, guys, this sends your time here on Challenge Mania.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
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