Survivor Mania Episode 11: Scott's Epic Survivor Weekend & MORE!

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
What's up, everybody? Happy Monday?

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Here Scott and Lindsay back with a little bit of
Survivor Mania. We meant to try to get this in
closer to last Wednesday's episode, but the week and weekend
got away from me because I was living Survivor Mania
in real life this weekend. I'm sure we'll talk about that.
We'll talk about the star of this episode that I
may have seen this weekend, many other legends of the

(00:31):
Survivor game crossing paths with yours, truly, but this legend
sitting digitally next to me is my wife, Lindsay.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
How are you? Thank you?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, we don't even have to fake it because you
got home last night and as per usual, we haven't
had a chance to talk about our lives at all
because put the kids to bed, cleaned up, went to sleep.
Here we are, got them out the door for school,
and this is the first time we've had a chance
to even talk about your Your reality star filled the

(01:03):
weekend with the Survivor panel, so I want to hear
all about it here with everyone else.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, so well we can start there. I so I did.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I woke up Thursday morning in Orlando, Florida, which we
stayed downtown because we had the Orlando Magic Game, and
the first thing I did was watch this episode eleven
of Survivor that we are going to talk about. But
then we didn't. We weren't really able to fit in
a record. You weren't really able to watch it in time.
And after having a nice little breakfast with my parents

(01:35):
over there, who were nice enough to drive in from Tampa,
we got in a car and uh, oh, by the way,
shouts to jam Hot Chicken who came and brought us
a nice little lunch on.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Thursday in Orlando as well.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
But then we went to Celebration Florida, which is the
home the I believe it's called Melia or Melia Resort
out there is the home of the Over the Edge
celebrity weekend. Now this used to exist under a different name.
It was called Hearts of Reality. But the thing is
been going on for a decade plus and it's basically
dozens and dozens of reality stars from the world of

(02:07):
Survivor and Big Brother and Amazing Race and The Challenge
and Squid Game and Snake People and you know, you
name it okay, and it's uh, there's some fans there.
You know, there's there's there's different events that fans can
attend separately, like a la carte, Like Saturday is a
big like meet and greet day and things. And then
there are some fans who, like you know, also pay

(02:29):
extra to be able to stay at the.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Resort as well.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
But the resort is mainly filled with the celebrities, the
cast members from these varieties of shows.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
So that was Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and then Sunday morning.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
I got up right and early and went to Jacksonville
to watch the Jaguars game. But so it was like
three days NonStop of just being around tons of drove
to Jacksonville.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
I thought that the Jaguars were still playing maybe in
the Orlando.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I took an uber to Daytona, which is about an
hour from where I was, and then Derreck McCrae picked
me up, drove about ninety minutes and picked me up
in Daytona.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
And then you flew out of where I flew out
of Jacksonville.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Were you always flying out of jack This is guys?
Is this mortifying that I don't know, Like our lives
are so hectic that I don't know what city my
husband is flying in and out of.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well, so Orlando and Jacksonville are about like two hours
away from each other. Originally I was flying out of Orlando,
but then when I decided to go to this Jaguars game,
I moved my flight to Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
So got you. Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
There were things going on Sunday. Jordan Weisley had his
Champ camp that I think looked like it went very well.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
But anyway, yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
In camp like physical activities near the beach.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
And builds all of these himself out of wood and
metal and things like that. He literally like goes to
home depot, buys a bunch of wood and like constructs
these apparatus that he then sets up in like a
field or a park or like a school sort of
a track area, and he sets them up and people
can come and pay to compete, and people can also

(04:21):
just come and watch, I believe for free or for
a smaller fee. They can come and just watch and
they get to meet all the cast members that are there.
But then also I think the more competitive interactive fan
wants to just test their luck against a f SI
or a Gabe or a car or whomever. Our friend Miranda,
who was on a deal or No Deal Island and

(04:41):
recently made I think like the Top six on ninety
ninety beat. She was very excited about competing, so she
competed in the thing. And basically, I think he takes
two people from every city and they like make They
then go to a mini final and then if you
win that, you get a golden ticket to then compete
on the final show. So he's gonna do like six

(05:02):
or eight of these in different cities, collect about you know,
twelve people or whomever, and they will then at the
end compete against I think the cast members.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
So it's cool.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I mean there's definitely a lot of fans who watch
these shows and say I could do that.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I'd like to do that. Can I test my luck
and whatnot? So?

Speaker 2 (05:19):
And he literally, I mean, I mean, I'm not this
guy like does it all himself. So I mean he has,
you know, help and stuff a little bit, but he's
out there like sawing wood.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
In the two in the morning and and whatnot. So.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
And he so he got there Saturday towards the end
of the meet and greet and then he did the panel.
So they have never done panels at these and I
I kind of, you know, I have this like inferiority
imposter syndrome complex because you know, I'm there and I have, like,
you know, one of the badges, like I'm someone on
a show, but like I was not on a show.

(05:52):
And I and I have obviously over the years made
a lot of relationships, and there's I know people, Hey,
I know people. And then there are some people who
actually sort of know me or have even seen my
name in passing even if we haven't met in person.
So but there's also people who literally have no idea
that I wasn't on a show. Assume I was on
a show, et cetera. Have to have that conversation many times,

(06:14):
what show are you?

Speaker 3 (06:15):
How often do people come up to you and are like,
I don't remember you?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Oh well, so I mean no, there's literally I mean,
so I'll get to like who because I'm gonna name
drop quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Because I think it's funny and everything.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
But but but no, I mean there'd be people who
I spent like days hanging out with who never you know,
said like Jerry, right, so Jerry Manthe.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Who is a legend.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Cool and and I'll be honest, she was a little
bit before my time. That being said, though, she's like
my new best friend, Like I love her. She's such
a sweet she got such a kick out of us,
like me and Mark and even just like the Challengers
in general. She's just like constantly laughing at everything we said.
So we just like wanted her around at all times
because she just made us feel very, very funny. And

(07:01):
then she's also like a DJ, so she was like
DJ until two in the morning every night. But like
you know, I was like had already like been hanging
out with her for a substantial amount of time, but
had never like and so like one of the like
you know, halfway through Friday, she's like, which.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Season were you on? Again? I was like, oh, I
was not. And so you do have that conversation.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Does it say the Challenge on your bad?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Just as Scott Yeager, it doesn't say anything, so everyone
it just says their name.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
So what show? Did she assume you were?

Speaker 1 (07:27):
From? The Challenge?

Speaker 2 (07:28):
So so so people do through context clues, get that
I'm like Challenge related, right, so so so yeah so
you so, so either the minute you meet someone or
at some point they either figure out that you weren't
on the show. And I'm often I'm often offering up
this information. I'm volunteering it and getting it out of
the way early because I really Now let me just

(07:50):
say this, this isn't specific to me, by the way.
So although since I was not on a show and
the answer is no, it's like slightly more awkward. A
lot of people have no idea who anyone is. So
another person who I befriended is this very nice woman
named Christina who was on Cook Islands, which is one
of the only kind of older seasons.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
From before my time. I went back and watched.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
So she was on the Latino Latina Tribe, which I
believe had Ozzie and this guy, another guy whose name
escapes me, but he's the man I met him at
the party get me heavy metal music. Anyway, Well, so
I meet her, and so she is so not really
plugged in the world anymore that we're standing by a

(08:32):
bar and there's a woman kind of next to us
and you can kind of see her from the side,
and she's wearing this kind of eccentric black dress and
she's like, you know, covered in tattoos on one side.
And Christina's like, I bet you she's wwe she looks WWE.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
So she asked her. She's like, excuse me, are you WWE?

Speaker 2 (08:48):
And she turns around and like immediately I know who
she is, but she's like, no, I'm a Survivor and
Traders and it was Carolyn, right. And what's funny is
like there's people who don't know who Carolyn is.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Right. So that's the but.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Kept up clearly with the new era.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
There's people who were on Survivor that don't know who
Carolyn is. So you know what I mean. So there's
really like no offense taken. Like I also watched.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
What you're saying is I could really crash this thing
and fool a few people.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Oh, I mean, it's not even fooling. I mean there's
people who fool themselves. Like I said, there's people who
just think that I was on the Challenge, right, and
then my pictures on the in the book. So for instance,
on Saturday, they do this meet and greet and they're
divided into like, you know, it was like nine to
eleven a Survivor, you know, twelve to two is Challenge
and a few other shows and then Big Brothers after whatever,

(09:33):
and so everyone does. So I was sitting like in
between you know, Jeremi and Mark, and people would come
up with their they give you like a booklet. It's
got like a cover and inside there's like pictures of
everyone and people kind of sign over where their picture
is and i' mean in that book in the challenge area.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
And so people would have me sign it.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Some people had no interest in having me sign it,
which is always like when someone approaches, I try to
like read the body language.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Were there anyone that literally was like no thing.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
No, because again I would I would kind of snuff
it out and if I saw that they didn't. Now,
some people would would wonder are you in this? And
they'd ask me like are you and I'd be like, yeah,
I'm right here.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
About whatever, blah blah.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
And then some people I could see if they were
kind of holding it close, like not putting it down
in front of me, I'm like, oh, maybe they just
don't care about me signing it whatever. Sometimes yeah, sometimes
I would flat out and say do you want me
to sign that or whatever?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, I know how it is.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
I often I'm kind of a signature snob, and that
like if I only want something signed by certain people,
I don't necessarily want someone else signing onto something if
like maybe they're not their picture isn't on it, or
I don't feel like they were a large enough part about.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
It, or here's another thing. This is just my add
here's another thing.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
This is just my add is that for me, once
you have someone of a certain level, like for instance, okay,
this is now this is just stupid insider baseball collectible stuff.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
But like for me, it goes like this.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
If you have like a poster or like a cast
piece or something, sign the options are it can either
be signed by one person, right, it can be signed
by everyone on it.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Right.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
So let's say it's like, you know, like a home
Alone two poster and you had it signed by Daniel Stern,
Joe Peshi and mcaulay culkin whatever, or you just have
a home Alone two poster and it's just signed by
mccullay culkin or whatever. Or for me, though, the minute
you get Catherine O'Hara to sign that, and she's not
on the poster but she is in the movie, now
you kind of have to have everyone on.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
It, right.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Like to me, it's like it's so those are like
kind of the you know, so for me, there are
people who are getting everyone's signature and they want mine
or whatever. But if someone like only wants like the
big guns on there, I get you don't want the
weird podcast guy. And then I'll say this. It also
goes and it's not specific to me. I mean there
are people who are just being nice and like saying
to the challengers like, oh, I'll start watching it, or

(11:47):
like you know, And these are people who are just
at the event mainly brother for the challenge people.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
There were multiple shows during that section, so they might
not even be Challenge fans.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Or or they're just trying to get their money's worth
and they're like this comes with my package, and so
why don't I meet these people, you know, cause it's like,
you know, you have nothing else to do during those
hours or whatever. Right that this was really funny. I'll
call them out for this because I think you'll think
it's funny. But like, so they did.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
They also do these like group photo ops that are
additional and whatnot. And there's like a challenge one and
then right before it they did an all winners one.
It wasn't just winners of the challenge. It was so
Sandra was in it. Bob was in it, some other
people who had won other shows were in it, right,
and you know, and but but but but somehow it
got lost in translation and like Kyland's in there, and

(12:31):
you know, so I had to kind of awkwardly be
like Kyland, Kyla, get out. It's only champions are in
this photo. And he'd bees like, oh, whoops. You know,
but that's like an awkward thing to have to ask
somebody to get out of, right, I mean being asked to.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Know it's out of any picture ever.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
I mean, I I say f P, I go f
PO f PO, and people go, what does that mean?
I go famous people only? Because we all I mean,
I I have this. I have been this person so
many times that I now know I can sense when
someone wants it to be them and all the famous people,
and I know when, like I can tell they're annoyed
that like Johnny's husband is also in the photo, or

(13:08):
I'm also in the photo or who knows or another
fan whatever, right, And I can tell because and then
they all then they kind of like, you know, you
take that one, and then they kind of wait for
that person to walk away and they go, can we
do another one? Right, So I kind of consense when
people want that, and I will I jokingly say, famous people,
the only famousville. But no, it was super fun and
like that's the thing also is that there are so

(13:29):
many people and there's no like ego to it, because
like you said, like I mean to me, I would say, like,
Carolyn is probably like the one of the more recognizable
people there, especially currently, but there are.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Still dozens of people there who don't know who she is.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
And then like, by the same token, I saw like
and I saw this guy recently because I showed uh
going into Survivor night at the Sixers game, I showed
Brock the finale of Ghost Island and so he would
see the Wendell dom thing and uh, and I forgot.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
So Donathan was a.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Guy on that season, and he was very much down
the stretch and kind of has this little mini heel
turn there and ends up going out I think fifth
or something. But so I had recently rewatched this season,
at least the finale, so he's kind of fresh in mind,
so I recognize it and.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
He goes up to Carolyn and he is just, you know,
very starstruck. That's the other thing.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
So many of these people that were on the show
love the show so much that they are so they
are as much super fans as any of the fans
that are like paying to be there. Some of these
people who were on Survivor are also super stoked to meet,
whether it's Carolyn or Sandra or Bob or whomever, you know,

(14:37):
even if they themselves were on the show. And you
got to remember a lot of these people were on
the show once. You know, Donathan did make it very far,
but like you know, it was about ten years ago
now whatever it was, you know, seven years ago, so
you know, he's feeling the need to, you know, explain
to her that he's not just a fan. He was
also on the show. YadA, YadA, YadA, whatever. So I
had to watch that whole ordeal.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
But there's a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
There's a lot of like, you know, oh, I was
on Survival, I was in c I was forty seven,
you know.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
And I'll be honest, I watch I have seen every.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Episode of every season since you know, twenty eight or
twenty nine or whatever. And like I said, I've gone
back and watched a few random, you know, older seasons too,
And I forget people like no offense. But like I
if you were only on four episodes of season forty two,
I have to kind of rack my brain for like, who.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Were what you were, what was your moment, what was
your thing?

Speaker 3 (15:22):
You know, let me ask you this. Did you have
an interaction at all that was like someone acting like
they remembered you from something and being like, oh.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Like that's funny the show, that's funny. No, I don't
think so. Maybe in jest or something like that. I
don't think so. I mean, no, what you more got
was people wrongfully assuming I was on and just flat
out asking how when we were you on?

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
And then I often like I kind of wear it
as like a badge of honor because I think it's
like I think it's actually like more interesting than I've
like forced gumped my way into this world where you
know what I mean, like it'd be kind of less interesting.
I was just like you know, on real world, New
Orleans or whatever, and like, you know, did one season
of The Challenge back in two thousand and seven that
you don't remember me from, you know or whatever?

Speaker 1 (16:10):
You know?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
I think it's but but but yes, so no, no, nobody,
nobody did that. I mean, I get it on my
own Facebook page where I post something and someone responds
to me and says, who is this?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
And I'm like, you're You're on my page.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
But that's that's the anonymity of the Challenge Mania of it,
which is so funny when people go like, it took
us so long to start on Instagram, you know, Derek consistent,
I never wanted to. Why did I never want to?
Because I wanted people to have to follow me.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
And know me.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Right, Because on Facebook, like we have forty thousand Facebook
members or followers or whatever you call them, and of
those forty thousand people, like, there are clearly hundreds, if
not thousands that follow the page. They see it's called
Challenge Mania. They don't even know it's a podcast. Some
of them think it is the Challenge page, you know
what I mean. Like, it's so not participatory in that

(16:57):
way that that level of ignorance sounds so stupid to
some people who have been listening to the podcast for
eight years and they're like, how do you not know
who this guy is? But no, like that little separation
of it's just the Challenge Mania logo. It says Challenge
Mania doesn't have me right next to it. It is
possible that you could literally be following a thing and
not knowing who's running the thing. You know, totally, but anyway,

(17:19):
so it's a fun weekend. Oh so I hosted a panel.
They have never done panels of this thing. And because
to go back to my imposteror complex and whatnot, I
have suggested to Omar.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Omar is the guy.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Who puts this on and was very integral in the
Hearts of Reality and now he's doing it with other
companies and charities and things. I said, what about if
we do a panel now? Selfishly? And I know this
is what you had fomo of. It's like so for me,
I go, I go, why don't we do a Survivor
and a Challenge panel? And I was hoping and this
didn't happen that you know, he didn't go, Oh, we'd

(17:50):
rather have so and so host survivor panel because selfishly,
that's the thing I don't ever get to do.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Right. So I love I love these Challenge cast members
that we did our p with. And I have the
picture in front of me so I can tell you
it was.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
It was Mikayla john A, Adam Sam Jeremi, Cedric Pauli, Jordan, Gabe.
Jordan's the one who like I. He does not do
our events often, so that was cool. But like, but
in general, like these are all people who like I,
you know, like I, you know, like Jarremy's on our
show on Saturday, and you know, John as on almost
all of our shows. And I've you know, I've seen
you know, I've seen pretty much every one of these

(18:24):
people with you exception this year or whatnot and what so.
So just you know, and it's kind of an extension
of what I do twice a month anyway Survivor, though
I never do even Survivor interviews, let alone host a
panel with some of the.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Okay, so did doing this panel a little bit give
you the bug?

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Then?

Speaker 3 (18:41):
I have been bugging you about to to you know,
do in the small room at City Winery a challenge
a Survivormanian.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Night stepping up. I'll tell you it was trying to
step on your corner with that.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
By the way, is Mark Mark was like Mark's like Mark,
so I'm going to watch season fifty.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
He's like he's gonna watch. He's like we should. He's
like we should, uh, we should do some survivormanias.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
But but did he not realize that we did it?

Speaker 1 (19:08):
He knows that you and I do the podcast.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, oh, he means like the show.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
He wants to do, like a like what you want,
what you want to do. So so here's what I'll say.
So I will say, uh, no offense to the Challenge fan.
But here's what it is. This is the uh this
event is more a Survivor and Big Brother heavy event
because I think they've been so synonymous with it for

(19:34):
so long. The sheer amount of people from those shows.
And also maybe it's because you know, the Challenge may anything.
We're kind of like, you know, we do do our
little different version of it.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Who knows.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
But but so I'll say, like there were far more
people watching the Survivor panel than the Challenge panel. Like
when we finished the Survivor panel, like a lot of
the people went to like go do other things, and
then it didn't help that started to rein during the
Challenge panel. We had to ended quicker. But so the
Survivor panel was Jerry Uh, Danielle, Sandra, Bob, Adam Klein,

(20:08):
Jake Shaheen, and Rupert.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Legend.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah no, yeah, it was cool and uh, and so
it was very fun. Everyone was very plugged in and thoughtful.
I think I did a good job with like the
subject matters and questions and being able to kind of
get everyone involved.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Anything you can share with us, like any interesting answer.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, And I will say so, there were a couple
of things, so like, for instance, Carolyn didn't want to
do the panels because she was kind of, you know,
just doesn't love doing that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
And she's so I spent.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
A lot of time with Carolyn, and uh, and she is,
I will say, uh, in the best way possible, a
literally exactly the person that you see the shows and
not even with like a hint of more like self
awareness of like you know, she's not putting it on
at all, you know, and she you know, she doesn't

(21:09):
love for someone who is as recognizable as her and
is constantly getting attention and adoration and stuff like that.
Like she's kind of like Kara and that, like she
you know, she puts on a happy face, but like
it's a lot for her, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
But so she didn't want to do acceptlish.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
She watched Steven, who will talk about it as a
big episode eleven here he can't do it because you know,
he's technically not really even supposed to be doing this stuff.
I'll share some insight with that too, because I got
a little bit more info on that kind of stuff.
But so, you know, he obviously had a huge week.
He would have been a cool person to like have
on this, but he wasn't even officially announced for the event.
He was a surprise guest, but he was there, so

(21:44):
I was cool him and his either a girlfriend or
wife whatever.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
She's very nice.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
And then the other two who didn't want to do
the panel are Camilla and Jonathan, who are both on
fifty and so I think that was kind of just
just in case they say the wrong thing by accident
or somebody re through the tea leaves or something with
that they don't want to be accused of having in
any way, you know whatever. So and I actually think
not having that that took a little bit of pressure

(22:08):
off of like, Okay, we can all now just talk speculatively.
And I basically, you know, I asked everyone down the
line would basically want to know, like how close did
all of you get to going on fifty, you know,
and it sounded like didn't sound like Jake or Shaheen
were really in the running.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Adam didn't sound like he was in the running at all.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I have flat out I asked him, I think, I said,
do you think it's because And I talked a lot
with him this week too, because especially on Thursday, I
was just like talking his year off because I was like,
I told him how fascinated I am by a what
he does for what For those of you guys who
don't know, he does like audition, tape.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Coaching and things.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
But that is reality TV.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
For reality TV, but specifically a lot of Survivors because
he obviously won Survivor, but he coaches for other shows too,
and he's gotten a lot of people on in.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
For people to get on the show, and he.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Would he would adjust my wording, he said, as the
person got themselves on, I just helped them with their
storytelling a little bit.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Blah blah blah. It's nothing to do with me. And
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
I'm not a magic code cracker or whatever. But it's
been fairly well documented that Jeff and the powers that
be at the show have you know, kind and I
and I asked him this, So I was very happy
having him on the panel because I was like, I
was so fascinated, but I have so many follow up
questions about that whole dynamic and things. And I flat
out asked him, I said, do you think you didn't
get called because you just did forty or do you
think you didn't get called because of the Uh you

(23:27):
know that they're a little butt heard about what you're doing.
And uh, it's clear that he think he does think
that for whatever reason, even though he considers what he
does like a love letter to the show, that he
does think that that is probably standing in the way
of them wanting to put him out there again.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
I don't think he would have been on again, and
he was just on. He was just on.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Well, I said, the timing of forty is pretty good
because you got that season in and it's sort of well,
my point is like, but but it works out that, like,
for instance, let's say he didn't do forty for whatever
reason and also started doing the reality casting stuff, and
they also did put on the back burner because of that.
He would never have played a second time at all,
you know, But he got in on the Winners at

(24:05):
War season, which was like a palate cleanser for a
lot of people have not played since forty and maybe
you won't play again, so it kind of.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Works out bring back a winner who already got brought Brock.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Both Rupert, Both Rupert and Bob both feel pretty annoyed
by the way that they string you along and potentially yeah,
and and so you could tell it's like particularly offensive
to the older generation, Bob pointed out. Bob pointed out
a couple of times apparently like he so he was
an alternate. He was supposed to be on Heroes Versus

(24:34):
Villains and was cut like last second and was like
had all his shots or he would call him shots.
His wife, by the way, is just amazing to Peggy,
he shouted her after in the panel.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
But like everyone everyone knows her. She's great.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, I love Bob too, and and everybody loves Bob
and he's he's great. But it sounds like, no, he
didn't really. He just tells them like, don't ever call
me unless it's one hundred percent now is what he says,
you know, And they don't love that. Sandra said she
was not called at all for fifty. Makes sense, well,

(25:12):
she was on forty, she was on Traders, she was
on Australia, but I was interested to know. I mean,
apparently Rob was called, you know, and Rob has done
a lot lately as well. You know, he did Dealer
Nodeal Island, he did The Traders, he did Season forty.
He got called, so you know, take that for what
it's worth. Danielle and Jerry were both in the running

(25:32):
and also very annoyed.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yet it afterwards.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, and and so same thing.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
And she also just you know, she thinks that, you know,
being a season fifty, it should be more of a
celebration of the entire run.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
That it's very new. Are heavy? That seems to be
the center, seems to be the sentiment throughout of most
people Danielle's I don't think.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
I have not met a single person that was like,
and I guess maybe because the people I'm talking to
are all Survivor time Survivor fans, but I have not
met a single person that was like, thank god, there's
six p Orri, there's what five people from the last
two seasons.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah. So I also asked, as I've said.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
No, no, have you met a single person that's excited
by that?

Speaker 1 (26:15):
No?

Speaker 2 (26:16):
No, no, no, not at all. Well, and first of all,
it's like this, there's a twofold thing. But I will
say this is what I said, and that this is
an interesting tidbit. I asked Jerry, I said, does it
at least make you feel better that it's not like, oh,
your spot went to you know, fill in the blank
other person from your era, but that it completely went

(26:36):
and they're just wrong across the board and you went
so overly heavy with new area that they probably weren't
deciding between you and Camilla, right, It didn't get down
to be you and D and they went with D.
It was like, you know, it was a choice of oh,
we're going to choose a person from the last ten seasons.
Does that make you feel less you know, competitively sort
of you know, less than whatever? And she said she

(26:57):
actually thinks that that's why they did it, and that
they didn't want to have to answer for their bad
uh this person over this person decisions from the legends.
So instead they just went full, oh, we're just gonna
like take it on the chin and go like half
newbies so that we don't even have to eat shit
for like not picking the right ogs, if that makes sense.

(27:18):
So but anyway, and then Danielle in particular, said she
really had to like you know, get her life in
order and this and that and get mentally prepared. And
she had you know, started putting things in order for
like you know, what would she would do with the
kids and this and that and that like again to
then be cut after that, you can just really tell that.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
And this is what every show does. The Challenge does this.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
The Challenge now, for instance, is calling people and cutting them.
For forty two, a lot of people who thought they
were going to be going and you know, and then
for Survivor fifty, I think the process was even lengthier.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
You know, they did that. But that's the other thing.
These people did.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
The background they did.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
They did the well as far as like how long
in the process they had gotten I think they both
said during the panel, and sadly.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Not these were recorded, sorry about that, but.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
They both said like they had done the background and
they had done the the what's it called the psych evaluation,
you know, and that probably feels pretty real, right, like
you're literally talking to a therapist and having to like
make sure that you're mentally fit to like do the conditions,
and you would assume they wouldn't waste that on someone
they weren't very serious about.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Sadly, on a cast.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Of twenty four, it's very possible that in their mind
they're very serious about I don't know, forty eight people,
you know, and for every spot they have essentially two
people in mind, and then twenty four of those people
have to get let go and wonder why.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
I'd love to know. I would be willing to put
a big bet on that there has never been a
Survivor player that went past the psychic val, went on
the show and then like didn't pass a second psychic
val for another season.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
H yeah, well that's right. I'll say this.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
I don't know what these psych evals entail, but I
find it hilarious because, I mean, we had a producer
on I believe.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
It was Jeff Jenkins who said.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
That the criteria for casting people for the real world,
and thus the challenge where they needed attractive damaged extroverts, right,
so damaged was literally in the job description. These are
the people that they sought out, and somehow they're they're
openly selecting people based on them, knowing they do have
some sort of deep, deep.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Rooted thing or issue or something they might be wrestling with.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Whatever, yet then they put them through a psychabal so
it's like such a weird you know what I mean.
It's like they want them, they don't want them to
be like super put together, but they also just need
to have it on paper that they had them evaluated,
you know, and like no offense. Like I know that
you can't like just judge somebody by one outburst or
altercation or this or that. But it's like, you know,
you see someone like you know, uh, you know, you

(29:51):
see what like a baby Andy went through on the
show and whatnot, or you see like what you know,
Pauli has had some interesting wins and things like that,
and you're like, I mean, are these just not great
the people when they're evaluating them, Like what are what
are they evaluating if not the potential for them to
have a full mental breakdown on CBS?

Speaker 1 (30:12):
You know. So anyway, I digress. So anyway, that panel
was great.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
It was awesome and for me, it was like that
it was cool to be able to to talk to
those people and do that and as far as does
that make me want to do the Survivormania live thing, okay,
get some connections, well yeah, that's yeah, that was cool
and it's funny, like so I mentioned, oh, my wife
and I do Survivormania blah blah, you know, and so
Sandra starts to like look it up and I'm like, oh,
it does.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
She's like trying to look us up on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Don't listen to a few weeks ago where your your
audio was terrible.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Well, I had explained to her.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I was like, I was like, you know, it's on
the Challenge Mania feed and we do it kind of
as a labor love.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
It's just my wife and I talked about every episode.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
But but like, you know, the thing about this is,
you know, Robuh does a few a year, and Bryce
and Wendell have the party game on lock and do
I think, yes, some people would come and like would
it be fun of doing? Sure, But you know, I
just I kind of the reason we hit the ground
running with Challenge Mania and have such a large, you know,

(31:14):
foothold on the market and things is that we were
kind of the first ones doing what we do here
in this space, and we would not be with it
when it comes to Survivor, and you know, you know,
I think the Survivor fan base is also used to
kind of different price.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Points than we usually use for our events. That's another thing.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Survivor is such a crazy community and that you know,
the same way I was saying, like ninety percent of
these cast members are just there to see each other
and see their their legends.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
That's why they come to these things. A lot of
them come to them for free.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
You know, this was this was a charity event, so
everyone was there, you know, for free, basically donating their
time to charity and things like that. But even the
Bryce and Wendell parties and events and things like that,
the reason you get like thirty cast members there is
that a lot of these people they play on the
show once, you know, going to these things is like
going to a high school reunion, going to summer camp,
seeing your friends, seeing the people that you respected when

(32:06):
you were a fan of the show, and then also
getting to go to a room where you are treated
like a celebrity because for a lot of them, they
go back to their day to day and they're not
you know, the challengers are a little different, you know,
and that's why you know, we kind of do our
events in a different way and things like that, and
that's why our people, thank god, are very you know,
kind of culture to be willing to pay a hefty
price to meet these people because they, you know, don't
love going for free and do need to be flown

(32:28):
in and this and that or whatever and stuff. So
you know, I would just wonder what's the middle ground there,
you know, But look, maybe we do one one day.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
I think this was the perfect.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Place to do this because this was like again, this
was again just throwing this onto a laundry list of
survivor things on a very survivor centric weekend and things
like that.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, but anyway, so that was awesome.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
That was cool, and hopefully it'll be a mainstay of
the celebrity weekend in the future because I thought it was.
I mean, I think it's a no brainer having panels
of these things. Both panels had people who wanted to
weren't initially advertised for them, that wanted to do it.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Rupert insisted on doing it. He wasn't on it before.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Cedric and Mikayla both wanted to do it, you know,
coming off of their finals run last week.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
So and we do it outside by the pool.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
You know, it could work out a couple of kinks
as far as the audio or the setup or the
sound and things, and obviously would have been great to
have them professionally recorded, but everyone's running around doing so
much stuff. Like I'm just texting anyone in my phone.
I'm like, hey, can you guys take pictures of this? Like,
you know, like that's why I don't even have a
lot of pictures of it. And it's not my event,
you know. So that's why. Also I had so much

(33:38):
fun this week. Is that, like, other than those couple
of times I was kind of quotes in quotes working,
I wasn't you know, I had none of the stress
that like I'm sure Omar had the entire time, you know,
But it was great.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
I mean I didn't see one altercation.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Or any negative thing and everything, and everyone was super
cool and again got a lot of insight and had
a lot of great conversations a lot of people, you know,
some stuff off the record, some stuff on the record.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah, I went to a children's socgree weather.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Sorry you could cut out there.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
You went to what I said, Well, I went to
a kid's soccer game in thirty degree weather.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
So well there you go to Scott But you also,
I believe, went to a Knicks game on Friday in
a Rangers game on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, yeah, you bury the lead there, so it should
all be great for the lives we lead. Yeah, but no,
So to go back to, so Steven was there, Yeah,
you're just so you're cutting out a little bit, just
so you know, so, I don't know if you need
to make an a.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Great let me know if I ever am.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
So Steven clarified that, like they're they're not allowed to
like you know, officially during the season, they're really not
supposed to be doing any Yeah. So apparently they're not
allowed to do any appearances during the season. And I
actually found out because I was talking to Tiffany about this,

(35:08):
that Traders as well, they are not allowed to host
viewing parties. It is now in their contract that they
are not allowed to host viewing parties. And I find
that to just be abhorrent, Like I just I just
think it's so funny that these shows are constantly just

(35:30):
trying to chip away.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
At first of all, I.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Think it's ridiculous because I think it's additional promotion for
these shows.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
So I think they're just dumb.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I don't know what they're worried about, but I would
imagine some of it comes from a very spiteful like
not wanting to allow these people to in any way
capitalize on the notoriety, the visibility, the brand, et cetera.
You know, I get that there might be a little
bit of liability of like, oh, we don't want this
feeling like an official Traders event if it's not you know,

(36:02):
you know, insert cast member on the show with the
word Traders viewing party, whatever. Is this something we don't
have enough control over to like to allow to exist.
So I find that to be very I thought that
was very interesting hearing that. Even for a show like that,
I would think, like, are you kidding me? Like what
you know? But that's interesting and unfortunate. Because I was

(36:22):
thinking about that. I was like, hey, we should do
something for the premieer blah blah blah. She's like, oh,
I'm not allowed to. I was like, oh wow, So
trying to Tiffany who's on Tiffany Mitchell is on, Sorry,
she's on the next season of Traders which premieres in
and and so that will also be interesting to see
how like, you know, the Rob of it all. You know,

(36:43):
we were talking about so Rob who was supposed to
be on season fifty of Survivor. Instead they ended up
not casting Rob Cistern, you know, the Podfather. He ends
up then not going on fifty, their idea, not his,
but then lucks into doing Traders. And what I I've
heard him say is that sort of a happy accident.

(37:03):
Result of this is, you know, he wasn't so sure
how much doing Survivor was going to encroach on his
real gig, which is covering Survivor, Like would they not
allow him to do the Pods? And the answer is
probably know, they probably wouldn't have, which is sad. It's
a weird way to handle it, in my opinion. Derek
has podcast about every single season he's been on since

(37:24):
All Stars won, and I think we've done a very
fine job of not blowing any secrets, giving anything away,
being able to talk about it in a way that
feels authentic, even though clearly he knows what happened to him,
you know, some of which he's gone all the way
to the end, some of which he's ended up getting out,
and then he.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Has to talk about the back half having not been there.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
And luckily for us, although it says in their contracts
too that you have to get every podcast.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Appearance approved, including your own.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
And I'm sure if they really wanted to, they could
be sticklers about it and try to shut that down.
They don't, and I think they're wise not to, because
I think it's a good promotion for the show if
it could be done in healthy way. So I was
shocked to hear that about about traders. So anyway, sad,

(38:09):
all right, let's talk about.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Survivors, non black, our first non black Jurney member here, our.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
First I mean, thank god, right, can we get I mean,
can we get a white person on the jury?

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Please? God? What? Can you know?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
What's so funny? When I said that last week to you,
I didn't realize. So I had yet to hear a
lot of Juwan's exit press, but I didn't realize how
much that was apparently a thing uh there like on
the island, like there was and uh and and that.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Juwan and.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
They were being had live and in the in the
in the way that I was kind of talking about it,
which is that like Juwan orchestrated some of those those votes,
and it was sort of being put on him, like, hey,
don't you have a responsibility not to keep going in
this order, look at the optics of it, and Juwan
is like, you know, defending his mood. He's like no,

(39:05):
He's like, I you know, I thought that move was
best for my game. Like, don't like if hypothetically I'm
trying to win.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
They talked about this last week, like it's not one
person's fault. Everyone is. You know, there of course there
is you know, like societal issues at play, but at
the same time, like, can't blame it on any one
person who's playing their own individual game.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Yeah, Well it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
It's like, I mean, if hypothetically the goal is for
you to win yourself and you yourself would hypothetically be
a black winner, Like what's the what's the trade off? Right,
Like what like optics wise, what like would you trade
would you trade sadly?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
You know?

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Uh, for jurors in a row four evictions or vote
outs in a row of people have a similar background,
if it meant that someone with that same background ends
up winning the show, you.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Believe ultimately you could win the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Well, I think you have to.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
You have to ultimately, You're probably not gonna win the
show if you're ever doing if you're ever making moves
for sort of a greater good or something that's not
you know, kind of lazy that.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
I mean, you can look at that Big Brother season,
that Xavier one, right.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
But for instance, like i'll give you but i'll give
you an example, right, So, so like that the greater
good was like, we just want to make sure one
of the six of us wins, right, And and that
is what happened. And I'm sure in a way they
are all happy that that goal was met, right, But
I would say for like a player like Tiffany, maybe

(40:33):
it's possible that the only way for her to have
won would have maybe to be to have made a
move like slightly earlier or something on an Xavier, right,
And so you know, and I'm sure she's fine with it.
And you know, good friend of hers who I know
when she was unavailable, took her son to college, so
they're very good friends and whatnot. And I think that
looks that's the blueprint, that's the model of like that

(40:56):
one I think was very well timed and very well handled.
I think as viewers we were able to appreciate the
gameplay and the strategy of it. And I think it's
probably one of the probably the best named alliance of
all time. It's absolutely perfect. But like other than that,
you've seen on different Survivor seasons and things like that,

(41:16):
it's sort of you know, people having their own internal
missions and whatnot, or at least you know, separately talking
about the optics or whatever they do during certain votes
and it doesn't work out for them, you know, or
it doesn't lead to that person winning or someone from
that person's group winning and whatnot. But that it was,
you know, just someone for a voter to you know,

(41:37):
doing what they thought was right and things like that.
And I think we're coming back down to you know,
the pendulum sort of swings right, so you know, for
a while there it felt like, you know, this was
very much top of mind for everyone both watching the show,
playing on the show, casting the show, and it seemed like, okay, great,

(41:59):
you know, like I think you know, they did. They
did a lot to compensate for years and years of
you know, not casting equally and maybe a lot.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Of unconscious biases and things like that.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
And then we had, you know, again when you include
Big Brother also, you had like a string of a
lot of great winners from different backgrounds and ethnicities, and
things like that. So then I think you see some
people kind of maybe I don't want to maybe not
the right close choice words, but cool off as far
as looking into that as much as they did or
needed to for several years, you know, and you haven't
necessarily heard in a while, and this was kind of

(42:30):
the first I had heard of it. And it's just
interesting because you hear about it on the heels of everyone,
you know, shining a bright light on look, how great
this is. Every single black cast member made the jury,
you know. So but anyway, so, so we.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Lose, we lose Sophie. Here does this make you feel
better about the editing choice that Sophie? You were worried
that she was gonna win the whole thing, but I
I walked her out.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Let me just say, it's twofold, so a, yes, you know,
if she made four or like lost in fire or whatever,
it would be worse. But I still think I said
this to you last week. I go, even if she
goes home next week, I go. The idea that they
gave her such a shadow edit for the first few
episodes when she was this important, and I get it, well.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Not only was this important, but like she's look the
reason she goes is because she's looked at as one
of the biggest threats to win the game.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
It just boggles my mind because I I like, Okay,
if I'm talking to Jeff and the editors and the
people who make this show, I would say, like, if
I had to guess the reason when they do kind
of under edit someone, it's almost to fool us and
get us off the scent of, oh, this person is
going to be important, so then they become sort of
disproportionately important. But since you know, she goes out here

(43:47):
at seven, like, I would have gone the other way
with it, and I would have like over edited her,
and I would have had this be like a great
move these last two episodes, between her choosing the side
she chose last week it obviously not working out for
her just a week later, like that would have been
such an elevated story arc if she hadn't have been
shadow edited for the first few episodes, you know, I

(44:08):
kind of would have leaned into it the other way.
I'm also like, still just another week. I'm I'm convinced
of my prediction. I will say this week, everyone is very,
very mindful and respectful of like, you know, kind of
I didn't like hear any like whether people know stuff
or not whatever.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
I didn't hear anything that I consider to be a
spoiler or anything like that. And I still literally have
no idea who wins the season. I have said it,
and I admitted on the podcast I have heard who
the two people are that are on fifty. But yeah,
so I think this was an interesting week, interesting vote.
I think she's been, obviously these past few weeks especially,
been a very important cast member. So I do think

(44:47):
this is a very rewarding vote here, because look, you
get out one of those immunity threats who I think
was kind of, you know, maybe holding back some of
the other maybe more interesting immunity winners for winning.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
She did make the big move last week. Now she
pays for it. I mean it does big.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Yeah, like the like the biggest factor of this season
has been like sages, uh, bitterness safe sages like desire
for for revenge. Don't you feel like so much of
this season has been like Sage being left out or
feeling like she was, you know, not in that cool

(45:31):
kids group on her original tribe that did well until
the merge and kind of like kind of getting back
at everyone this whole time.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Yeah, there was some very blatant, like you know, looks
flat out just like you know, rooting for things to
happen between her and Turtle Neck wearing Juwan.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
And so Yes, she's interesting though.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
It's what's interesting to me is that she went so
hard trying to get back at Sophie for this last
Jawan vote, even though like her head has been in
the game to get Savannah out this whole time, like
Savannah also was in on that. But I think it
was It's interesting, like, and I think it's something that
players need to be really mindful of, are like the

(46:19):
like it's a lot it's a lot easier to be
mad at the person that was like playing in the
middle and like you trusted than it is like the
person you assumed was going to go against you at
some point. Anyways, I like she she takes this Juwan,
she's like determined to get revenge for Juwan's vote out

(46:40):
here the blind Side, and instead of being mad at
Rizzo and Savannah, Yeah, she turns it on Sophie, who,
like you know, she had she thought she had like
a better working relationship with and so like, I just
think that's an important thing as you get into this
final to be aware of or like you know, people
can respect. I think a lot more the votes that

(47:03):
come from people that, like you expected them to be
against you versus the people that you didn't see capable
of it.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
I will say.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
And this goes back to the Sophie edit, right, in
contrast to that Savannah has gotten such a main character edit,
such a sort of you need to get this person
out edit that I also think that goes into how
we as viewers view this move because, like to me,
having watched the show, where the show is clearly telling

(47:34):
us like, you got to get Savannah out and almost
subconsciously telling us, eh, how relevant could Sophie be even
though she's.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Winning immunities left and right, we under edited her.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
So I think it looks even dumber to us, right,
I think on the island, Don't get me wrong, Like,
I think it's possible there's a world in which Sophie,
even though there's the revenge play here, that Sophie all
also looked like a potential winner and getting her out
is getting a very big, big fish out here who's
winning immunities and could potentially win. The whole thing doesn't
feel that way to me or to us as home

(48:04):
because of those first few episodes where other than Erica,
you would never edit a not even just a winner,
but a relevant player or a threat that way. And
in contrast, they've clearly been editing Savannah in this other way,
where to me, I'm just like I would I mean,
if you if you have the numbers to make that.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Move here, do that, like you know, get Sophie later,
you know. But they're they're not.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Seeing what we're seeing, and we're also seeing something based
on what they did, So like, you know, they're doing
the they're doing the ropodope of like they're they're showing us, man,
look how silly these people are letting Savannah go another week,
letting Rizo go another week, et cetera. And they're doing
that because they let them go this far, you know.

(48:46):
And I think that they may have overplayed their hand
a little bit with the with the Sophie edit, because yeah,
I think there was a way you could have like
set us up where this was a really huge move here,
and this was something where Sophie getting out here is
due mainly because of the choice she made the week
prior it leading to Juwan going out, and that that's

(49:08):
like ultimately what takes out the potential winner of the season.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
That's not how this felt to me.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
This felt to me like, ah, man, like you know,
you're letting your pride getting away, You're letting your grudge
getting away. I totally would have kept her around more
than these other two. These other two are the ones
you need to get rid of.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
But I want to say also that it feels it
feels that like Steven is someone to watch out for two,
that he could be you know, really like really liked
and respected by the jury and and but at the
same time, like Sage you could argue is the one
who has controlled the most votes in this postseason, like

(49:47):
controlled the way that things have gone. But she's not
being talked about as a threat in the same way.
And I wonder if it comes down to personality a
lot that people just think despite the fact that she
had like came from being an underdog and used that
to position herself and dictate so much of the post

(50:10):
merge season, that because she's her personality may be seen
as like a little more.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Odd or.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
That that people aren't giving her the credit like they don't.
They're not worried about her in a final tribal situation.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I do not think that Sage has gotten one. We
have not heard one person talk about Sage as a
threat in any way, shape or free.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
You agree that like in some ways, like Sage has
like dictated a lot of this postseason game, post merge game.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
I mean, well, I will say also that if they
don't have footage of people saying that, it's probably because
maybe they don't think that so all though, Yes, but.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
That's what I'm saying is like I think people don't
think that, but I don't necessarily think it's because of
her gameplay. I think they're underestimating or they're correctly estimating
how the jury will give her credit based on her
personality rather than on her gameplay.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yeah, I will say, just hearing from random people, it
kind of echoed and validated my thoughts, which is, I
think a lot of people find her to be one
of the more interesting players.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
A lot of people are rooting for her.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
It sounds like among like some of the Survivor ilk
that I've met.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
So yeah, but the players on this season aren't treating
her like a threat to everyone.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I will say this, everyone to a person agrees that
it was, I mean, so silly to take two people
from forty nine and put them on fifty. Someone pointed
this out, and I thought it might have been Jerry
was like they because Survivor fifty is called in the
hands of the fans, right, And although they never implied
that the fans would have a say in the casting, Okay,

(52:00):
what they did was they had us vote on should
they get Rice, you know, blah blah blah. But to
call a season in the hands of the fans and
to literally lock into people who the fans reaction to
them is has not happened yet, Like, you literally have
no idea. You're guessing based on the games they played,
but you have no idea how the fans feel about

(52:21):
these people, right, So it's literally it is.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I mean, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
They probably have a pretty good track record of being
able to guess how fans are going to respond to
people when they've already filmed it.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Sure, but you.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Never know, right, Like another guy spent a lot of
time with this week, By the way, I might I
think I sent you a video is Mitch.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Right, So Mitch, Mitch is an absolute sweetheart as big
challenge fan.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
But I would I would have and I bet you
that Jeff would have never guessed how flat out mean
I think that the Internet was to Mitch and about
Mitch's season, right, And obviously Mitch has like a great
and just even watching him, you know, speak, whether it's
during tribal or when Jeff would talk to him on
the mat and whatnot, and just overcoming his adversity with

(53:08):
his stutter and everything like that. Like you, I would
have been wrong if you would have said, how's the
Internet going to feel about this guy? I' gonna I
would say they're gonna love him, right, He's he's just
like a.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Walking feel good, heartwarming story. Right.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
No, that's not how the Internet reacted to him. The
Internet was annoyed that he never made a.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Move, right.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
I you know, I told him that he's got the
most famous survivor a gift. I think is him doing
the no no no, But people use that me mean
again against him. They'd be like, Mitch, you're gonna make
a move this week, and it would be him going no, no, no,
no no, right, And so you don't know sometimes, right, Eva? Right, Like,
let's be honest, Eva, Jeff probably thought, Oh, America is
gonna love Eva. They're gonna love Eva and Joe. They're

(53:49):
gonna be weeping with me when this happens. Right, does
the Does the Survivor fan base love Eva?

Speaker 1 (53:56):
No? Right, they don't.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
And I'm not saying that you need to listen to
the most rabid, you know, Internet reddit fans. I'm not
saying that's how you should cast your show either, But
my point is, how do you know?

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (54:07):
How do you know that? And the other thing, The
other thing that I asked the whole panel, which I've
set on the show many many times, is that by
by even having the most like unplugged viewer, know two
people from this season are on fifty, you're setting up
the whole cast to fail. You're setting up everybody to

(54:28):
watch this through the lens of man, this better be
good every week. Man, this better be good. Man, these
moves better be good. I don't know who these two
people are, but man, they better be good. They better
be better than Jerry and Danielle. You know, they better
be better than Rupert and Bob or whatever you know.
And so that's a tall order for anyone, let alone
this cast, right, and so you know that's kind of

(54:49):
how I feel watching it, and I feel has been
a lot of the discourse. It's been hard to evaluate
some of these moves and some of this gameplay, you know,
and you mentioned Steven, Like Steve has this great episode
this week. He has the the double yeah she you know,
she has the uh, he has the double inn win.

(55:10):
He's got the uh, the advantage win. And we'll talk
about this advantage because we have another sort of dynamic
advantage in the game now and how Rizzo thought, you know,
he knows what he has, he's actually has impeged for
having something slightly more.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Valuable than he really has, and how that's gonna play out.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
But he gets that, then he gets the immunity win,
which is very important here because I think he would
have been on the block if he did not win that.
And I think that uh with with Steven, I will
say that I I worry that this episode for him.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Is sort of the you know, you see it a
lot on these shows where somebody.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Wins the reward and then they're out the same episode,
or they have a big week and then they're out
the next week, or like last week with Sophie and
then she's gone this week and whatnot. So I wonder
if it is this stevens unfortunate?

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Is this his swan song?

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Like is this where when you throw in the advantage
and obviously not loving that he has that when you're
throwing that he's an immunity threat. If he doesn't win immunity,
here is he the next to go? And the cynic
in me goes, oh, this is his big week, he
has a big episode. And I absolutely know nothing, and
I did not ask him anything of the sort, nor
would you have told me. But I'm like, you know,

(56:24):
now he's celebrating the the episode live and in person
with all these people, and is this is this the lay?

Speaker 1 (56:33):
You know?

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Is this his last hurrah? Like he wanted to make sure,
like I'm going to that charity event. That's my big
week and I want to uh, I want to celebrate
it with as many people as possible.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
All right, yeah you're there.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Yeah. I think it's good then that the immunity and
the reward are the same in this circumstance where you
have to pick people, because like, at least you're not
going out this episode where you're picking the people. Sometimes
what happens is when the reward is just the reward
and you have to pick people leave people out, then

(57:08):
you're really putting it's almost like what you know, it's
almost like worse to have won the reward. But when
you're winning immunity at the same time, at least gives
you a week to figure some things out.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah, and that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
So I've noticed they've started doing that the old combo,
and you're right that that does take off the table
the whole Uh, someone wins loved Ones, they get the
whole moment at the beginning, and then they don't pick
the right people and then they're out at the end
when they don't win immunity, you know. And so maybe
they'll do that next week with loved Ones, who knows.
But but I haven't seen it this season, and I'm

(57:41):
realizing that's kind of what it is.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Right, there's a chance, by the way I was thinking
about this, that like they they would definitely tease if
like they were starting to actually bring loved Ones.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Back, right oh ah, the people to really shock.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Us and have like some surprise everyone, including past numbers
and audience. And you think they would like want to
make the most of people tuning in and like really
tease the hell out of that.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
So so what I'm about to say is two folks,
I'm kind of talking it out out loud, but I go,
if they thought of that, which is a great idea
to just do it unprompted, I feel like they would
do it for fifty and not forty nine. But then
as I say that, I go, but that kind of
it kind of means less for a fifty where some
of these people have already had their loved ones out,

(58:30):
et cetera. But then you go, it's so new era heavy.
None of these new era people have ever had a
loved one out, so it's still kind of cool. So
I just feel like anything like that, anything big picture
of big revealed, big surprise is going to be saved
four fifty. I would just be shocked if But I
will say, to go back to the would they tease it?
I don't remember the preview well enough to know if

(58:51):
they gave us any sort of breadcrumbs here.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Something exciting happening, I think.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Yeah, But I do I get what you're saying, Yes,
I do think that's in the tape. Yeah, I think
it's very much in the cards that they do.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Yeah, because I think nowadays, look, do you really need like, sorry.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Go ahead, CBS, I am I cutting out?

Speaker 1 (59:22):
No, sorry, I think I'm on a delay or something.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
So then you you kind of stop talking when you
hear me talk or something.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
But all right, Well.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Four times I tried to say that, I think that
bs uh, the Survivor producer put h. I tease that
that would be like people who maybe have tuned out
a little, oh, like this is this is how tune in.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah, look, we didn't really talk much about this episode,
but we have to call it here. We've gone for
an hour, and we have another episode in a couple
of days, So why don't we come back and talk
about that. Should we rapid fire these questions or should
we go Let's start with Bronco Brad Here, Bronco Brad

(01:00:13):
says final six, Who do you feel has the best
chance to win at this point? I say Blue Sophie
is best position to win with her advantage as well
as not having the target mentioned as much as the
remaining players.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Rat. I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I've been saying this for weeks. She's she's my winner.
Pick I hope that she is able to utilize that advantage,
utilize it in a big way, use it to turn
on whether it's Rizzo or Savannah or both, what have you. Obviously,
we still have a firemaking challenge in there that could
maybe take out the other one. But I feel as

(01:00:48):
if that big move could even be enough to separate
her from those people, and I could see her winning
a vote over both of if not one of them.
So I'm with you, but it's very important that she
play is that well, I would say, in I mean
best show, I think go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
I think I don't know. I think Sophie made soph
made the wrong move here. I think soph had a
way better chance of uh, like sticking with a Sage
and a Sophie like making her move here, getting Rizzo's idle,

(01:01:28):
getting out of Savannah here, making it to the end
with with like a a Stephen at Christina, or like
a Sage and a Sophie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I look, she still has that move in play and
could so to me, it's doesn't need to be here
ors there. It just has to work, you know, and
it has to be well timed in that it has
to be surprising. Obviously we've been calling it for a
few weeks here, so it's not gonna be a surprising
to us, but it has to be surprising to the jury,
to them, you know, it has to be a bit theatrical.

(01:02:04):
So I don't necessarily think it needed to happen last
vote versus this vote, because let's be honest, Look, if
it can happen, if it can happen next week with
the uh with with having already lost so the other Sophie,
you know, then that's you know, kind of you know,

(01:02:24):
the best of both worlds.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
You lose her last week.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
This week hopefully we get the big move, which, by
the way, I believe two episodes left, So two episodes
left here, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Mean there's still there's still like two pairs, right, Like
there's still clearly like a Christina and a Steven and
there's a Savannah and a Rizzo here. It's interesting, like
we I think people clearly are trying to go after
the Savannah and Rizzo of it all. I don't think

(01:02:58):
people are like necessarily worried about Stephen and Christina's bond.
But yeah, I guess so still has some options. But again,
like I think that you make it the safe choice
when you can still make it before somebody plays like
he could play it at any time. Like, I know
she thinks she's in the you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
I think you're underestimating the target it's gonna put on
her though, So I honestly do agree with Wade.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Wait till the last minute today, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Because that move, if conducted correctly, will also immediately vault
her into Oh now she's someone we have to worry about.
So like you kind of have to time it where
there's not enough runway for people to either get you
out or you could still win the fire, or maybe
there's other still threats in play, but like you do
it too early and then it's oh, now we gotta

(01:03:49):
get Blue Sophie out. And now sure, maybe you had
that idol you just took from somebody, but there's a
way she could time it where she makes the move,
gets the idol, is still able to you that idol
the next week guarantees are for then she's basically you
know what I mean, So I wouldn't be maybe it's
the next episode, you know, that would be good. Are
they calling this a two part finale like they have

(01:04:10):
in the past, or is it just penn Ultimate episode
and then finale do we know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
I don't know. No, I don't know, all right, But
what did you think of Rizzo's move to just boldly
be to go to Stephen and approach him and be like,
even though they're not working together, and be like, I
know what your advantage is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Uh yeah, I mean I thought it was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
It was good because he I mean, we saw it
with Savannah recently too. It's like that their mo is
clearly just like confront someoney and and even if you
know they're lying, you're evaluating their body language and this
and that whatever. He's convinced he has something slightly more
powerful than what he has, but also just I feel
like letting him know, I know you have something and
him getting it kind of right. Obviously, it empowers Stephen

(01:04:55):
in a way, but it also lets them know, hey,
they do kind of know what I have or whatever.
They're expecting it to a certain degree. He does hold
on to it for an extra week, so now he
has it this week. It'll be very interesting how all
these kind of crescendo at the same time because he
has to use that this week. Rizo of course has
the idol, Sofa has the knowledge's power, and then I
think there's like one other thing in the game as well,

(01:05:17):
or remember wrong about that. That's it all right, Trevor says,
great move by all to sniff out the flipper. One
thing I noticed each tribal is how Savannah is constantly
looking that person, looking at the person that's going to
be voted out and playing up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
She knew and it was her idea.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Non verbally, I do not think this will well sit
well with the jury and could haunt her if she
makes it a final tribal coach suffered the same fate
when he tried to hug everyone he voted out. What
would your two strategy in a merge be an emerged
jury if you are orchestrating blind sides and votes when
each person leaves hugs stares. Keeping in mind, if you

(01:05:57):
make the final the final three, you need to pease
the jury and pitch your case.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
So what would be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
That's a really interesting point because there's a balance right
of like you can you can I mean I feel like,
sort of in a Marianne way, like you can sit
back and pretend like you're just going with the flow
and then like use final tribal council to make all
your claims, or you can like make sure that you

(01:06:23):
are getting credit as you go, because I think like
it's sometimes hard to change people's minds at the last
minute if they're so set on, like if if they're
going week after week after weeks all talking to each
other about what a great game one person is playing,
I think it's really hard to upset that just in
like one moment right at final tribal council. So there
is a balance there. I think my move would be

(01:06:45):
like not taking too much credit in the moment. Again,
you don't want to paint a target on your back.
You also don't want to seem like obnoxious to the
person who's just had like one of the worst moments
of their life maybe and like been voted out and blindsided.
And so I think the move here is to like
if you can, if you're like seated in a way
you're sif people are looking at you, like to like

(01:07:06):
kind of give a wink to the jury without drawing
attention to the current players, right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yeah, I think I mean the magic sauce is ideally
someone that you were working with who can corroborate like
your you know, your tail at the end is on
the jury and could do the nods and the you
know this and that, because to me, I think the
best is when if you're able to during final tribal
sort of explain that actually decisions were yours and moves

(01:07:33):
were yours and blah blah blah, and you can do
the whole like backheaded compliment to people where you're like,
you know, and Joan, we knew we had to get
you out because if we didn't, you were gonna win
because you're a great player and I love you, and
you're a stud and you're gonna be on Survivor fifty
and you're the man. But when I was talking to
Sof or whatever, blah blah blah, and then Sophy can
nod and do the whole like you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
I said, we had to make the move, so I
orchestrated that blind side and blah blah blah, blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
And it helps having the people who aren't going to
like shut you down, where you've seen some final travels
where people are like, you know, trying to take credit
for a move, and then someone in the jury will
be like, but that was our move, that was us,
that was me and then that's the ultimate Like, in
my opinion, it's hard to rebound from that where you're
not aware, like you think you made moves that you
didn't really make or whatnot, you know, and then someone

(01:08:19):
on the jury is just like holding that in their
back pocket, waiting.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
To kind of like, yeah, that's the worst. You don't
want to seem too confident because you never know, right,
Like it's yeah that that almost looks worse is if
you like think you're in the know and you actually
are in the dark about something.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
But I would highly recommend I actually don't think it's
as much about the hugs and the handpounds and the
on the like the literal moment on the way out.
I think it's more about that final tribal and I think, ay,
you want to have that person in the jury with
you who you'd assume they're also maybe doing it back
upon the rosa.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Again, I don't know how much they're really allowed to
kind of kind.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Of confer, but but I'll say that there is an
art to the the subtle brown nosing and building people
up and doing it in a non obvious way, Like
I've noticed, and I'm trying to think who recently, but
like if you're able to be complimenting the jury people's
game moves or gameplay, etc.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
A threat we had to get you out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
But doing it in a way that's not transparent and
seem you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
All right, Ashley says, I think I also want.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
To say, like, I think you make a good point
that like you're making a case to me, and I'm
not that I disagree. I've said this too, so like
why sometimes there is like there is some benefit to
being completely transparent with one person in a game because
that person can then be like, no, I knew like
every I can explain every bit of this to when

(01:09:46):
they're on the jury, right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think the the ideal scenario
for everyone is that they have sort of a partner
in crime who who then goes outlast they they yet
who goes out not necessary early buy your sword so
that they're bitter, but they are willing to now transfer
all of their credit and responsibility onto you because that's

(01:10:08):
sort of a reflection of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
That, yeah, validated in the game they played.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Yeah, so, Ashley says, we saw Blue Sophie talking about
Blied signing Rizzo and Savannah do we think she'll actually
do it? Do you agree? It was too early to
make the move, so we kind of cover this already.
But we'll see. I mean, we'll see if she does
it and if it works, and if she does it,
I think the later the better.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
If she does it well and does it right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
I'm coming around on that. Yeah, I was thinking, like,
what is Sophie, what's soph doing here? But yeah, she
still got I mean she could still, she could she
could still Oh yeah, turn it around on them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Matt says, this brings up a topic I want to
talk about. Rizzo keeps his idle for a fifth time
getting no votes and Savannah lives on. Is it more
credit to their gameplay or due to the rest of
the tribe's lack of awareness or poor gameplay to not
target them. Something I found very interesting is that we
all incorrectly theorized that, in any way, shape or form,
that fake idol play was going to convince people he
didn't have the other idol. He has just gone right

(01:11:05):
into everyone still knows I have the other idol. It
didn't play that way at all.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Takes away from it for me of his move last week,
Like to me, it's like, oh okay, well then like
you just playing the fakto was literally was I mean
like maybe it was to like see reactions re people,
but like what does it matter at that point? What
can you even do about it? So it's like it
was just for a show, like it was just for theatrics.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Yeah, so I look, I think I think it is
a reflection of you know. I mean, look, I think
I think going after someone with an idol is tough, right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Because it's not as easy as.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
It looks because you have to time the you have
to figure out who you're gonna throw the other votes on,
you have to do splits whatever, and then you realize
that if you if you time that wrong or do
the math wrong, or they're able to put enough votes
on a third person and it could be you. So
I don't think anyone's rushing and looking forward to trying
to get an idol from someone you know. Now him
having the the the bos, the balls of steel to

(01:12:10):
continuously not play it and know that he's as safe
as he is, you know, that says a lot about
the confidence and knowing that you don't need to use
something or play something you know. And I think we
are sitting at home because we're seeing this show where
it seems so obvious that him and Savannah and whatnot,
but to go back to them needing to take out
the other, Sofie, I don't know that it's as obvious
on the island. You know, he might come off as

(01:12:32):
just like, you know, goofy guy who's you know, kind
of playing to the to the jury. Is someone really
gonna want to give a kid that young a million dollars?

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
And so it's possible that people are like, you know what, like,
you know, let's get out some of these other people.
I don't need to like go after him. He's got
the idol ift they play. You know, there's other advantages
in the game. If this comes to backfire on me,
I could be the one who goes out by accident.
Let's just like whatever, you know, and that that's probably
how it is.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Saying the whole thing app all the way out loud. Anyways,
you don't need to first give the abbreviation what bos Yeah,
if you're gonna then say what it is, then just
say what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Abbreviation is to save time. And now we're talking about it,
so you've done the opposite of safe time.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
All right, Well, so hopefully you guys enjoyed this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
You got a little two fur, you got a wrap
up of Celebrity Weekend, you got some Survivor episode eleven talk.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
I think, so, do we lose one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Or two people here going into the finale because we
have six left and they normally right, there's six people left?

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Correct? Or is there seven? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
We're probably going in with well, I like to tell
the there's six people lap they did it last year
they changed it up, or instead of having five people
going into the finale, they had I mean two part finale. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I I think we.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Went from like six to did we go from like
six to four and then four was the last one?

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Yeah? I thought that was way better because, like again,
and I said this last season, like this is when
it matters the most, So like just like bulldozing over
these last vote out seems like so ridiculous to me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
I think we're at the very least we have to
get Steven's play right, because he's got that thing and
can only use it this week. Who knows, maybe we
also then get so just soph use it on him?
Does she use it on Rizzo, who knows. I personally
think that something like that. For the for this to
kind of be a standalone pen ultimate episode, something like
that has to happen. Interesting wise, I think we probably

(01:14:29):
for it to be rewarding, have to lose a Rizzo
or a Savannah here. If I had the guests would
be nice. I think would be nice to lose one
of them here, hopefully at the hands of Blue Sophie.
Maybe at the hands of mister Steven. We'll see, but
I think the cookie Cutter is sort of easy, more
down the middle vote here that I could also see happening,

(01:14:50):
and then maybe we get all these main characters still
at the end for the final for the for the
for the finale, which I think, hypothetically Rizzo could still
use his idol of five, so it's possible that continues on.
I forget how long Blue Sophie has to use her things,
so maybe that happens in the final episode.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
And if that's the case, I think we lose Steven here.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
So let me ask you this, is there a situation
at this point? Is there a winner? I mean, any
we don't know what's going to happen. Anyone could win
at this point, Like, is there a winner that you
would be happy with that? Like at this point, I
know there's still a lot of game left to be
played in these last few episodes, but is there at
this point someone who you would be like that was

(01:15:30):
they played a great game, that was a great winner,
they'll go down as a decent winner.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Well, it's sort of what I've been predicting, which I
think is that if if Blue Sophie can can use
that advantage and either use it to take out a
Rizzo or a Savannah or both, or at least give
her the momentum and the resume to beat out one
over both of them in a final tribal To me,
that's the most rewarding, that's the most satisfying kind of
conclusion here.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Because she played that's a great pre pre merged game.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Just certainly, I just think is the most in just
knowing that the the you know, knowledge is power using
it correctly, like depending on how it's used.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Again, it's like always that story of someone who overcame adversity,
like went got through every single tribal council at the
beginning of this game.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
It's more so it's less about the people in the specifics,
and more so, I want to see how these these
advantage plays play out. Are they truly like perfectly played?
Does she think of something that we haven't even thought of?
Does she then use the idol on someone other than
herself to get somebody else out?

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Whatever?

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Like that to me is what's It's less about her
as a person. You know, there's ways that any of
these people could play themselves into a win where it
would be more satisfying than I than I have even constructed.
Like I don't see a path to stage winning, but
if Lord knows, if she somehow came up with one
like that would be validating. You know, same goes I
guess for Christina or Steven. I just don't necessarily see it,

(01:16:48):
you know, but at.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
This point, like at this point in the game, let's say,
like everything's pretty straightforward, the person wins, like do you
see like a person like great game, like great winner,
great game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Again, it's hard with that that albatross and that that
that cloud of fifty hanging over everything. You know, so
it'll be interesting to see, you know that because because
look I said about Kyle last season, I thok Kyle
played a great game, good game, right, But again, did
he play such an iconically great game that I would
have given him a spot on the immediately after filming

(01:17:22):
season fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
No, this is what I give.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
I give Kyle a lot more credit than you do. Clearly,
like I think Kyle played a master class of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Yeah, but I just don't think that that is to
me when you play a master class of a game,
I don't go there's much what if left? I don't
need to go see you go play again.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
But that's a different question. That's not what I'm asking.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Yeah, but my point, but it's impossible not to So
when when when I.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Think if I think if Rio to answer my own question,
I think if Rizzo or Savannah went at this point,
I think it's an iconic win.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Okay, sure, okay, fine, like yes, but I mean it's
one of those things where what's it so?

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
And by con I think it's a memorable win. I
think they played you know, great games.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Yeah, I mean I think the reason why, in addition
to you know, new is never better, et cetera. The
reason why I think like separation from these things is
more desirable as far as when you're putting somebody on
an All Star season is that you then get to
put their win in perspective, right, So like even D
who played four seasons ago, five seasons ago, even that

(01:18:27):
amount of space in between, you you can sort of
wigh D's win with the other New Era wins with
the ones that came before it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
We now know how people have reacted to it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
She's gone on the challenge, Kyle is just like right away,
like we haven't even had time to process it, you know.
And same goes to the people from this season, whether
they win and go on fifty or not, or whether
they just go on fifty. I just feel like you
have to kind of be able to, you know, assess
these wins in comparison to the other wins of their
generation or the past generations. That's why it's so great

(01:18:58):
to see players from different eras that we've been waiting
to see again because you go, oh, man, I bet
they would have done well here or done well there
or whatnot. And so I don't know, I look, I think, look,
there's been some interesting games here. You know, it's clearly
you know, hanging on to an idol is interesting, I guess,
you know, so Savannah has been you know, interesting as well.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
But it's like, you know, I don't think it's a
great game.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
I don't know it's you know, my standard for a
great game is pretty high. Like I actually think that
among all Survivor winners, I would say less than fifty
percent played a great game, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
And there's interesting games that weren't great. I think there's
interesting games that weren't great. I think there's interesting sort
of outcomes where the game wasn't great.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Obviously we've seen people like Ben Driebergen, who you know,
idols his way into a fire making and a win.
We see Chris Underwood who edge of extinctions his way
back into a win.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
So you see stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
You see Gabler, you know, hiding in playing sight and
end up winning a season that only you predicted.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
You know, so great game.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
It's like, you know, I think it's few and far
between where it's like from start to finish, great game.
I almost think sometimes a not flawless game lends itself
to a more impressive win if you sort of survived
the areas of the game where you weren't playing a
great game, or you made the right moves at the
right time and were able to elevate yourself into a
winter slot, whereas you were able to not be obviously

(01:20:23):
playing a great game the whole time where nobody was
targeting you, or when they did target you, you lucked
out and you had an advantage, or someone decides to
save you from tribal like in Rachel's case, or what
have you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
So yeah, yeah, any more good questions for us.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
That's it only bad one. So I.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
Want to say, as much as you guys came after
Scott for his audio quality a few weeks ago, do
not blame me here. Our thirteen month year old thirteen
month year old thirteen months thirteen month old daughter has
a new habit of pulling the why by booster out

(01:21:01):
of the wall over and over and over again.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
And that's what happened. By the way, I'm not sure
where you're recording, but it just in it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
You should know this also is that unless you are
very far from it, you should be electing to be
on the other one and not that one.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
So like I was, that's what I switched you. And
that's when you were saying there are issues.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
You were on the original one or you were on
the retender. Oh, got it. Yeah, okay, well, all right, guys.
I hope you guys had a great week.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
We'll be back with episode twelve, the penultimate episode of
season forty nine here and uh, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
But yeah, look the season, Like Jeff was right, this
season definitely back half of the season has been more
interesting so far. So let's see if it's six.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
And once again, thank you everyone for allowing me to
talk to my husband and hearing about his weekend. Otherwise
I probably would never have heard what he did this
weekend because we don't have time for those kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
It wasn't this a fun way to hear about it,
right and then? And you were just hearing stuff for
a second time.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Exciting weekend, But we'll have to do a podcast, cup.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
Well, we're gonna do range. I thought it was gonna
be I thought it was going to be ranger Mania.
Since you've been to two Rangers games back to back weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
M hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
Yeah. When I was like I'm going to Jack's game,
we were like, what a life?

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
I was like, did this woman just go to a
Knicks game and a Rangers game.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Back to back? You have pretty good life? Too, my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
All right, it's all relative.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Yeah, all right, everybody, enjoy a week, Appreciate you, love
you bye.

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