October 6, 2025 • 25 mins
Scott and Lindsay break down Episode 2 of Survivor 49!
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
What's up everybody? Scott here.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome to week two of Survivor Mania, where Lindsay and
I are going to continue to break down season forty
nine of Survivor.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Lindsay, how you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
This was the prediction we made last week, and it's
going in the direction that you had said.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
But we've been prepped.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's the second half of the season that's really gonna
get us.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Is that? Is that what Jeff says? Yes? Got it? Okay,
all right, all right?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Where it's gonna get good?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So we're recording this on Monday, October sixth, my last
day as a thirty something year old man, because I
was in Detroit this weekend, so sadly we couldn't get
it in before. But boy, am I glad we waited
because all of the disc all of the debates, all
of the shock in awe.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Of the blind side at Tribal. Now, I mean this
this season has been pretty boring. Two episodes in. I
don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I'm hoping that Jeff is not lying. I'm hoping that
it turns around. Hopefully we don't have to wait till
episode eight or whatever for that to happen.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
But but yeah, talk me out of it. What's there
to like so far? Can you give me something like?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Okay, I love that we're not pushing this at these advantages.
It's it's a pure game we're really playing. I loved
the change that they made with when you go to
the island here and you're not just losing.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
It's not a game of chance that you randomly have.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
You know, there's nothing you can do to prevent yourself
from losing a vote that right, there's some there's something
to it, there's some everything is a little bit of
a strategy here when you go to this island.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I thought they made an improvement to the for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Okay, so I'm selling you on it, Okay, all right?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
For sure? Right?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Like, not only is it a game that everyone plays
and has, you know, an equal opportunity to win here,
but then once you win it, you have strategic choices
to make within that several strategic choices. Not only is
it should I take an individual advantage or should I
take a team advantage here? But then you're getting to
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decide which team at the challenge that you're disadvantaging. Right,
So there's anything that's going to involve more decisions like
putting putting it in the hands of the players themselves
rather than chance.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I'm all for.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I mean, look that I think that that aspect of
it prevents it from being like another thing to be
annoyed by or like, you know, another person getting caught
in the sort of you know, semantics of the game crosshairs.
Here it ends up playing out in a way that
was you know, pretty straightforward. And even though he did
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kind of lies the other team, we did send the
same team back to travel again. Right, we lost the
person that we almost lost last week, and and so
and and and I and I will say, you know,
in contrast the the other, uh, the other form of
the idol that we or advantage beware advantage. I guess
(03:21):
it was that we saw play out of this episode
was and this isn't no fault to the game. I
guess this is just randomly who was there when they
found it and whatnot. But uh, my least favorite type
of advantage is one more like everyone on the tribe
knows that it exists, Like there's almost no strategy or
potential for strategy involved, at least in that regard. It
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was fairly interesting that Alex decided to tell Annie about
it as sort of a way to gain trust and
favor with her, and probably is what led to her
not playing a shot in the dark. Maybe that she
felt like she was kind of in on the plank
she knew about the advantage.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
That was kind of a smart move there. But but yeah,
I just.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Think that though this might have had a huge impact
on the game, because.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Whenever there's a pecking order here.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Of information, Like if I'm not the first person to
find out the information that somebody sharing with all of us,
I do start to question that.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
So Jeremiah is not only not the first person, but
like you know, uh, he's the fourth person in that
group to get this information. Uh. And I think that
that's really going to be telling for him of where
maybe he is in that order and will incentivize him
to maybe not be so faithful to that group before.
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I mean, you have to be careful when you're show.
Oh he saw, so we might as well share. Sure,
but like damage has been done. He now knows that
you were, you know, debating basically whether or not to
share the information about the advantage with him.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, thanks to yourselves.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, I mean, look, I do think uh, and and
it seems like we kind of get this more often
than not these days. But you know, it feels like
we are getting the you know this, this is the
tribe that's going to lose first few weeks, and maybe
the people that do remain from said tribe end up
being sort of the you know, some of the stars
for the for the rest of the season, which I
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which I could totally see from from some of these cats,
but you know, losing the more obvious people two weeks
in a row, and they're being sort of, I don't know,
being kind of stagnant gameplay all around, and I don't know,
not really calling for more a lot the most inspiring
two weeks.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
And not a lot of like huge conflicts, right, Like,
it seems like people are for the most part getting
along really well. You know, Juwan is on the outs
of his Uli tribe. We saw that last week, but
then this week, like has this opportunity and I do
think gained some goodwill. He totally played it right, I think,
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like I will say as much as I say that
let's put the you know, the decisions in the hands
of the players, let's see them strategize. Like it didn't
seem like a very hard choice to me to take
an individual extra vote or where like if especially for
someone like Jowan, right, who's on the bottom. I don't
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know how much he knows he's on the bottom, So
I don't know that part of it, but you know,
you he must have a sense of it. He's he's
out looking for idols, and so I I think this
was like a no brainer decision here, Like an extra
vote if it's just you, it's not going to do
very much on a tribe of six, but getting goodwill
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from your tribe and possibly like the best thing at
the end of the day is just not to go
to tribal council, right, especially if you're.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
At the bottom pre merge of a small tribe.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Like if you can just avoid going to tribal council
and get yourself to that merge, you know, anything could
happen here. So to me, this was like by far
the right call. You just want to like, better than
having an extra vote is just not going to tribal council.
And yeah, we saw that, like the disadvantaging didn't really
you know, play off that that well for them, but
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like it could have, and that could have been the difference,
and and so I think Juwant definitely made the right
choice here.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think that part of the
reason we don't like these voyages or whatever they call them,
journeys and whatnot, is because it got it does kind
of like put everyone into a predicament. It seems like
almost even the advantages come with the caveat of having
to lie to your tribe and this and that, and
so I do feel like, you know, even even the
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fact that he was probably on the out side, like
having to go back and lie and have some sort
of an elaborate ruse to go with how you didn't
necessarily get something for yourself, but you also lost like
I don't know, and something.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
That's like probably it's not like you're privately like playing
a puzzle by yourself, right, so like once you get
to emerge, everybody is going to know that you lied
about and you do have some advantage.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So yeah, I think it's also I mean, he got
to choose which one after he had known that he
had won something, right, So at that point, it's also
like you you're you're at that point just kind of deciding, Hey,
can I just unconditionally have something great that I take
back to everybody and start to benefit from now, Or
do I have something that could hang over me and
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that I don't know when necessarily I'll be able to
use it and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
And whether it'll be enough to do anything.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, and so I mean it didn't necessarily help the
I mean, I guess it didn't make the team lose
that they penalized, but they also again didn't lose themselves,
so obviously, you know, a bit of a win there.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I think he could have been I mean, I thought
that his reasoning for which tribe to pick, and I
don't know how much of this was a group choice
that was made, but his decision made sense, Like it
was a total obvious decision to like not burn the
fewest bridges, right, is to say, like, you know, like
this team hasn't been doing well, so like, obviously it
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makes sense to disadvantage the other team because it doesn't
seem like you know, but the people might make the argument,
I think, did you make the argument the other way that, like,
maybe you think it does make sense to disadvantage the
worst team because then you like guarantee that they'll definitely
lose if they're already like a losing team.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, I mean I thought that was the that was
the best way to ensure victory, right, But I mean
that being said, you know, it's one of those challenges
where they are gonna even it out anyway. So the
fact that they've lost a player sure like doesn't necessarily
play because they have to you know, the other teams
have to sit.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Out a player.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
But I mean, assuming they're the weakest team to begin with,
making them even weaker having them have to do the
added stuff with the Coconuts like they I mean, look,
we saw them lose even without that penalty, so I
am right that penalizing them they would have lost, but
we now benefit of hindsight.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
No, they didn't even need that to lose. So he
kind of gets the best of both worlds here, I guess, right.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
But the way it was done, like, there was definitely
some hard feelings here from from that tribe, and I
think it's like, I don't know, I would just like,
you know, try to be as cordial as possible with
it and just be like, you know, I really hate
to do this, Like.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
My only reasoning for it is this he did that.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, I mean Look, he's not going to stay strategically,
it's not going to say strategically, I think you guys
are the best. So I'm gonna, you know, try to
chip away at you guys so that hopefully we come
in first, you know, because that's also probably a reason
he did it, right, Like, I mean, it's probably also competitively.
It's like, you know, we think we can beat this
team with or without the penalty, and then if we
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put it on this team, maybe we coming first, maybe
we get the best prize, right, because what was the
fishing equipment as well?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Right? Also, I want to talk.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
About the strategy here of the journey a competition itself.
You know, it seemed like Alex was feeling real confident here.
What it seemed like this is, you know, a competition
where you can place your ball in any of the players,
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uh holders, and you know, as it fills up, those
people get out, and so like there is some option
here to team up with someone and like you know,
guarantee you get you know, like I was wondering if
people were gonna try to gang up on out on not.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Alex on uh what's his name on Jake?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, on Jake, since he's like the seemingly like the biggest,
strongest guy, which like doesn't necessarily mean anything in basketball.
Is like I can beat you all the time in
a basketball game in an arcade, But I like I
did wonder if there's gonna be some strategy here, But
it seemed like they kind of just decided to just
like one and then the other one, and then the
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other one and then the other and like they were
all sort of going in that loop, and no one
was like strategizing about should I try to like get
one person out first to limit that chance? But I
don't know, what do you think what would you have
done here? Is it's just like not worth the burning
of the bridges with somebody to like team up on
them this early in the game for no reason.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, I kind of think that that might be overdoing
it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But yeah, uh, let me ask you this now.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I'm not saying this makes a great season or this
is needed for there to be a great season, But
who from this cast so far, if anybody, I think
the answer might be no one at least clearly at
this point. But who do you see as becoming or
being the potential villain of this season or the closest
we get these days to a Survivor villain. Are you
(12:58):
getting any vibes from anyone that they could be the
you know, yeah, I would feel.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Like I would say, again, we've talked about this a
lot that like modern day Survivor doesn't really do villains
in the same way. And you know, everyone's a likable person.
Everyone has their their story and their reason why they're
fighting for this.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
But you know, I think Jake.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Has a lot of confidence in the alliances that he's built.
He's like, well set up. I think like that's always
who the audience kind of roots for to fail, right
the person that like feels like they have everything kind
of set up for themselves and is at the top
and is strong and so like, right Like, I think
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if anybody is like looking to see someone fail, it
would be Jake at this point.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
He feels so confident.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And I think we almost saw that right with that
with Alex considering I don't know how real it was,
but it looked like he was considering doing that.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, So I'm gonna go with somebody else on the tribe,
and I'm gonna just say that this is a bit superficial.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So I might be because of the laugh. Jeremiah is
my pick so far for being like the.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
What and again, look, we're in like a new age
of villain where like, you know, it could be about
like some move, it could be about some evil laugh.
It could just be about like you know, and sort
of an uncharacteristically large amount of hubrist that comes out
in the interviews and.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Things like that. I'll say in addition to the laugh.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And and again you know I tread lightly here, but whatever,
but his voice is also additionally a bit piercing for me,
And so.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I'm not talking about a villain. Then you're just like.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Being no, no, well they're gonna like, well, here's what
I'm saying, because again, this is what you get, survivor.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
When you're not given us someone who like comes in
guns of blazing, insulting everybody, or like starts bulldoze and
everybody at camp and like clearly tell us who the
villains are. You sort of force us as people to
just like find stuff we don't like about folks. Because
when you're watching a game of sixteen to eighteen people,
you want to pick people to root for and people
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to root against. I don't know if you noticed Lindsay,
but the entire internet decided to root against Eva and
Joe last year just because they were like, uh, too
sympathetic and too inspiring of a story and Jeff was
too enthralled with their level of positivity.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Right, So it's not just me, this is just how
people watch TV.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
So so for me, and there was and there was
a little bit of like, you know, him rolling up
when they were finding the idol and then you know,
then them having to tell him and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Anyway, I could definitely.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Uh, I loved that he had that tuition to be like, hm,
cool like things for including.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Me, but a little too late, you know. Yeah, because
I think he's right.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
I think he is right, Like he's definitely Jake's third
choice there, right, So I don't know, I think like
we could see some some cool things from him. I
think he he's got the intuition. I think he's got
the confidence, and you know, I think that he could
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he could pull some moves here.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Mitch is another one. Last.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I think, like, wouldn't you consider like Jake right, Like
what I said, Like, I think people are like would
be excited to see like Jake fall?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Are you aware? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yes, sure, Okay, fine, Yes, I think Look, I honestly,
if I'm being honest, I think Alex and Jake also
have the potential for like being villains the season.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I think Alex, for like.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
As successful of the two episodes as he's had, he's like,
you know, definitely someone who's you know, pretty high on himself.
And and I could see even him being a little
bit too much for the audience but for me like.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Still kind of purple. So the second Sophie and we
got much from her again, right, So.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
We've gotten a lot of Blairiti who came to Tribal
on what was called a hot day by Jeff just
like draped in a uh you know what, what would
you even call a blanket?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, I'm wondering about that.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Like, I guess there's like, uh I would I would
call it a poncho?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
From Ecuador? Ye?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Well would you would you bust it out? Would you
bust it out? In July?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
In fact, I wore it when I bought it in
this like mountain village in Ecuador because I was so cold.
I was so cold to the point that I wouldn't
take my clothes off to shower.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
For days. That's how cold I was.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I just had to keep my clothes on because I
just like couldn't even get naked. And I bought that
ponto to add a layer onto everything that I was wearing.
So yeah, I wouldn't be wearing it at tribal council
if I was extremely hot.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I just in general, I mean you use the term
like purple edit right, It's like another reason I don't
love seasons that play out this way, because it does
feel like we've gotten like a disproportionate amount of that.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Is it what what colors are? Tribe?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Blue?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Is it blue? Right?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
The Blue tribe, the Alex Jake and Jeremiah and Sophie tribe.
You know, we've gotten such a disproportionate amount of them that. Yeah,
I mean I feel like other other than like a
couple of like introductory moments and things to you know,
Riz God and and uh Nate and obviously we've gotten
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a little bit of Juwan as well. But like, you know,
I think I would describe a few of these as
having you know, sort of purple edits so far, and
I think it's it's less about them and more about
just like the trajectory of the game so far.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, number Two've definitely seen less of that Yellow tribe
because they just you know, they've been winning and they
haven't had the struggles, the hardships.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
They haven't had to go to tribal council.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah all right, Well, we wanted to get this in
for the Survivor Maniacs since I was out of town.
But you know, clearly we don't have too much to
discuss here. Do you want to and I do know
that our our lovely daughter has just gotten home.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Do you want to make actions?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Do you end up listening to Annie's music?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I yes, you said it to me the other day.
I listened to it. I actually thought it was fun.
I enjoyed it, so okay, yeah, it's got like a
ten things I hate about you kind of vibe.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Okay, yeah, but were you surprised at that? I mean,
I guess that's like her check, right, is that like
it doesn't matter how old she is, like her age,
like she can be vulgar and.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I mean how old is she not that old? Not
that I mean I mean like I mean like yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Like I mean like I I mean, I listen to
music that is like you know, I think music in
general is like fairly vulgar regardless of like your age, right,
Like it's like, I mean, how quote unquote, I mean
you're like, you know, if you're too young.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I guess, you know, music shouldn't be vulgar.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
But then at a certain point, like you know, music, uh,
you know, gets pretty vulgar.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Have you ever seen that guy the comedian doing like
the comparison of reading the lyrics to like maybe it's
cold outside with wap.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
But she's forty nine, So she's forty nine years old,
Like I don't like to me, like, I mean, like
she's younger than like you know, Green Day.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You know, she's you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, it's fine, but no, it just wasn't what I
expected it to be.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I guess that's the thing about music.
It's not like she could have she could have been
playing this music for twenty years, you know what I mean,
and then now she's just kind of you know, maybe
like a bit older for it. But it's that's true.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
She got into music late. That was the whole thing, right.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Right right right, Well, the music she likes.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
My point is, you know what I mean, Like if
you you know, if you're gonna go and do the
music that you like, if you're gonna do punk rock,
you know, if you're gonna do kind of fun uh
alt rock, whatever, you know, it's you gotta be able
to you know, Hey, the new Taylor Swift album's got
some vulgarity on it. I don't know if you've heard
about this, but okay, yeah, so all right, well who
do we predict is going to go home next week?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Do you? First and foremost? Are we get in this tribe? Again?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I mean, it would definitely be interesting to like have
to see the four of them figure.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
That out, But like I nobody likes that. Everybody wants
to see, uh you know somebody else going.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
What's weird is?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Like as a group of four, they don't look that right, Like,
so so what's crazy is?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Again?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
And I also think this is kind of a flaw
in the way that they do these things on Survivor,
which is that, like, I mean, I assume they just
are the other two teams are going to have to
sit two people, right.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
It always seems like then the team should have the
advantage because they've gotten to get rid of their weakest people.
And they left their strongest But I think the issue is,
like I think that's why they do it. They don't
give them the flint, right, So that also that team
is like struggling and weak and tired.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Right right, right, yeah, I mean it could, I guess
be interesting to see how that plays out. But again,
I just hate I just hate what it does to
the rest of the of the game. I hate what
it does to us as viewers. And then we just
have like this disproportionate level of attachment in this one
particular tribe that have been sort of the star of
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then if it happens again three episodes in a row.
So anyway, but I do think that I.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Do think Juwana is still in trouble here, Okay, despite
the fact that he helped got some good will, helped
us try out here. If they go to tribal Council,
which I'm not sure they.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Do another big episode for Savannah here, right, I thought, right,
just camera time wise, she got the whole you know,
she got the whole newscaster thing in you know that
we love.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Yeah, yeah, she seems like she's doing great.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, we love a nice shtick. You all right, Well,
I can hear a ton of background noise. So I
think I'm gonna formally predict you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Pick a person.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
That goes home?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, do you want to pick somebody out of believe? Okay,
you're gonna go juwan.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh. Man.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
So it's interesting to keep saying the Sophie thing about her,
you know, uh, you know, I'm.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Still yeah, but I don't think that means she's going home.
I think we have a lot more to see of her, right,
like a Genevieve.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Right, yeah, what about Yeah? I see sage in her.
I feel are in such a similar boat here.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
You know what I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I'm gonna throw a dart and I'm gonna say, man, yeah,
if it's that other tribe again, Okay, it's the other
tribe again. I'm gonna say it's Jake. But I'm gonna
throw a dart at Jason. I'm gonna say we're gonna
lose Jason next.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
So all right, everybody, I like the Jake prediction.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
All right, Well, thanks for listening to Survivormania.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Happy to get it in before episode three this week,
and hopefully we'll be back a little sooner.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
This week, because not no trip for me.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
This weekend, so maybe we'll be able to get it
in on Thursday or Friday this week for you, so
stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Thanks everybody, Y
What's up everybody? Scott here.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome to week two of Survivor Mania, where Lindsay and
I are going to continue to break down season forty
nine of Survivor.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Lindsay, how you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
This was the prediction we made last week, and it's
going in the direction that you had said.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
But we've been prepped.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
It's the second half of the season that's really gonna
get us.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Is that? Is that what Jeff says? Yes? Got it? Okay,
all right, all right?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Where it's gonna get good?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So we're recording this on Monday, October sixth, my last
day as a thirty something year old man, because I
was in Detroit this weekend, so sadly we couldn't get
it in before. But boy, am I glad we waited
because all of the disc all of the debates, all
of the shock in awe.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Of the blind side at Tribal. Now, I mean this
this season has been pretty boring. Two episodes in. I
don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I'm hoping that Jeff is not lying. I'm hoping that
it turns around. Hopefully we don't have to wait till
episode eight or whatever for that to happen.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
But but yeah, talk me out of it. What's there
to like so far? Can you give me something like?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Okay, I love that we're not pushing this at these advantages.
It's it's a pure game we're really playing. I loved
the change that they made with when you go to
the island here and you're not just losing.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
It's not a game of chance that you randomly have.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
You know, there's nothing you can do to prevent yourself
from losing a vote that right, there's some there's something
to it, there's some everything is a little bit of
a strategy here when you go to this island.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I thought they made an improvement to the for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Okay, so I'm selling you on it, Okay, all right?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
For sure? Right?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Like, not only is it a game that everyone plays
and has, you know, an equal opportunity to win here,
but then once you win it, you have strategic choices
to make within that several strategic choices. Not only is
it should I take an individual advantage or should I
take a team advantage here? But then you're getting to
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decide which team at the challenge that you're disadvantaging. Right,
So there's anything that's going to involve more decisions like
putting putting it in the hands of the players themselves
rather than chance.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I'm all for.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I mean, look that I think that that aspect of
it prevents it from being like another thing to be
annoyed by or like, you know, another person getting caught
in the sort of you know, semantics of the game crosshairs.
Here it ends up playing out in a way that
was you know, pretty straightforward. And even though he did
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kind of lies the other team, we did send the
same team back to travel again. Right, we lost the
person that we almost lost last week, and and so
and and and I and I will say, you know,
in contrast the the other, uh, the other form of
the idol that we or advantage beware advantage. I guess
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it was that we saw play out of this episode
was and this isn't no fault to the game. I
guess this is just randomly who was there when they
found it and whatnot. But uh, my least favorite type
of advantage is one more like everyone on the tribe
knows that it exists, Like there's almost no strategy or
potential for strategy involved, at least in that regard. It
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was fairly interesting that Alex decided to tell Annie about
it as sort of a way to gain trust and
favor with her, and probably is what led to her
not playing a shot in the dark. Maybe that she
felt like she was kind of in on the plank
she knew about the advantage.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
That was kind of a smart move there. But but yeah,
I just.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Think that though this might have had a huge impact
on the game, because.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Whenever there's a pecking order here.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Of information, Like if I'm not the first person to
find out the information that somebody sharing with all of us,
I do start to question that.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
So Jeremiah is not only not the first person, but
like you know, uh, he's the fourth person in that
group to get this information. Uh. And I think that
that's really going to be telling for him of where
maybe he is in that order and will incentivize him
to maybe not be so faithful to that group before.
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I mean, you have to be careful when you're show.
Oh he saw, so we might as well share. Sure,
but like damage has been done. He now knows that
you were, you know, debating basically whether or not to
share the information about the advantage with him.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, thanks to yourselves.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, I mean, look, I do think uh, and and
it seems like we kind of get this more often
than not these days. But you know, it feels like
we are getting the you know this, this is the
tribe that's going to lose first few weeks, and maybe
the people that do remain from said tribe end up
being sort of the you know, some of the stars
for the for the rest of the season, which I
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which I could totally see from from some of these cats,
but you know, losing the more obvious people two weeks
in a row, and they're being sort of, I don't know,
being kind of stagnant gameplay all around, and I don't know,
not really calling for more a lot the most inspiring
two weeks.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
And not a lot of like huge conflicts, right, Like,
it seems like people are for the most part getting
along really well. You know, Juwan is on the outs
of his Uli tribe. We saw that last week, but
then this week, like has this opportunity and I do
think gained some goodwill. He totally played it right, I think,
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like I will say as much as I say that
let's put the you know, the decisions in the hands
of the players, let's see them strategize. Like it didn't
seem like a very hard choice to me to take
an individual extra vote or where like if especially for
someone like Jowan, right, who's on the bottom. I don't
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know how much he knows he's on the bottom, So
I don't know that part of it, but you know,
you he must have a sense of it. He's he's
out looking for idols, and so I I think this
was like a no brainer decision here, Like an extra
vote if it's just you, it's not going to do
very much on a tribe of six, but getting goodwill
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from your tribe and possibly like the best thing at
the end of the day is just not to go
to tribal council, right, especially if you're.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
At the bottom pre merge of a small tribe.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Like if you can just avoid going to tribal council
and get yourself to that merge, you know, anything could
happen here. So to me, this was like by far
the right call. You just want to like, better than
having an extra vote is just not going to tribal council.
And yeah, we saw that, like the disadvantaging didn't really
you know, play off that that well for them, but
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like it could have, and that could have been the difference,
and and so I think Juwant definitely made the right
choice here.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think that part of the
reason we don't like these voyages or whatever they call them,
journeys and whatnot, is because it got it does kind
of like put everyone into a predicament. It seems like
almost even the advantages come with the caveat of having
to lie to your tribe and this and that, and
so I do feel like, you know, even even the
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fact that he was probably on the out side, like
having to go back and lie and have some sort
of an elaborate ruse to go with how you didn't
necessarily get something for yourself, but you also lost like
I don't know, and something.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
That's like probably it's not like you're privately like playing
a puzzle by yourself, right, so like once you get
to emerge, everybody is going to know that you lied
about and you do have some advantage.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So yeah, I think it's also I mean, he got
to choose which one after he had known that he
had won something, right, So at that point, it's also
like you you're you're at that point just kind of deciding, Hey,
can I just unconditionally have something great that I take
back to everybody and start to benefit from now, Or
do I have something that could hang over me and
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that I don't know when necessarily I'll be able to
use it and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
And whether it'll be enough to do anything.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, and so I mean it didn't necessarily help the
I mean, I guess it didn't make the team lose
that they penalized, but they also again didn't lose themselves,
so obviously, you know, a bit of a win there.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I think he could have been I mean, I thought
that his reasoning for which tribe to pick, and I
don't know how much of this was a group choice
that was made, but his decision made sense, Like it
was a total obvious decision to like not burn the
fewest bridges, right, is to say, like, you know, like
this team hasn't been doing well, so like, obviously it
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makes sense to disadvantage the other team because it doesn't
seem like you know, but the people might make the argument,
I think, did you make the argument the other way that, like,
maybe you think it does make sense to disadvantage the
worst team because then you like guarantee that they'll definitely
lose if they're already like a losing team.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, I mean I thought that was the that was
the best way to ensure victory, right, But I mean
that being said, you know, it's one of those challenges
where they are gonna even it out anyway. So the
fact that they've lost a player sure like doesn't necessarily
play because they have to you know, the other teams
have to sit.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Out a player.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
But I mean, assuming they're the weakest team to begin with,
making them even weaker having them have to do the
added stuff with the Coconuts like they I mean, look,
we saw them lose even without that penalty, so I
am right that penalizing them they would have lost, but
we now benefit of hindsight.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
No, they didn't even need that to lose. So he
kind of gets the best of both worlds here, I guess, right.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
But the way it was done, like, there was definitely
some hard feelings here from from that tribe, and I
think it's like, I don't know, I would just like,
you know, try to be as cordial as possible with
it and just be like, you know, I really hate
to do this, Like.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
My only reasoning for it is this he did that.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, I mean Look, he's not going to stay strategically,
it's not going to say strategically, I think you guys
are the best. So I'm gonna, you know, try to
chip away at you guys so that hopefully we come
in first, you know, because that's also probably a reason
he did it, right, Like, I mean, it's probably also competitively.
It's like, you know, we think we can beat this
team with or without the penalty, and then if we
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put it on this team, maybe we coming first, maybe
we get the best prize, right, because what was the
fishing equipment as well?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Right? Also, I want to talk.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
About the strategy here of the journey a competition itself.
You know, it seemed like Alex was feeling real confident here.
What it seemed like this is, you know, a competition
where you can place your ball in any of the players,
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uh holders, and you know, as it fills up, those
people get out, and so like there is some option
here to team up with someone and like you know,
guarantee you get you know, like I was wondering if
people were gonna try to gang up on out on not.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Alex on uh what's his name on Jake?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, on Jake, since he's like the seemingly like the biggest,
strongest guy, which like doesn't necessarily mean anything in basketball.
Is like I can beat you all the time in
a basketball game in an arcade, But I like I
did wonder if there's gonna be some strategy here, But
it seemed like they kind of just decided to just
like one and then the other one, and then the
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other one and then the other and like they were
all sort of going in that loop, and no one
was like strategizing about should I try to like get
one person out first to limit that chance? But I
don't know, what do you think what would you have
done here? Is it's just like not worth the burning
of the bridges with somebody to like team up on
them this early in the game for no reason.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, I kind of think that that might be overdoing
it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But yeah, uh, let me ask you this now.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I'm not saying this makes a great season or this
is needed for there to be a great season, But
who from this cast so far, if anybody, I think
the answer might be no one at least clearly at
this point. But who do you see as becoming or
being the potential villain of this season or the closest
we get these days to a Survivor villain. Are you
(12:58):
getting any vibes from anyone that they could be the
you know, yeah, I would feel.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Like I would say, again, we've talked about this a
lot that like modern day Survivor doesn't really do villains
in the same way. And you know, everyone's a likable person.
Everyone has their their story and their reason why they're
fighting for this.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
But you know, I think Jake.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Has a lot of confidence in the alliances that he's built.
He's like, well set up. I think like that's always
who the audience kind of roots for to fail, right
the person that like feels like they have everything kind
of set up for themselves and is at the top
and is strong and so like, right Like, I think
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if anybody is like looking to see someone fail, it
would be Jake at this point.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
He feels so confident.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And I think we almost saw that right with that
with Alex considering I don't know how real it was,
but it looked like he was considering doing that.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, So I'm gonna go with somebody else on the tribe,
and I'm gonna just say that this is a bit superficial.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So I might be because of the laugh. Jeremiah is
my pick so far for being like the.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
What and again, look, we're in like a new age
of villain where like, you know, it could be about
like some move, it could be about some evil laugh.
It could just be about like you know, and sort
of an uncharacteristically large amount of hubrist that comes out
in the interviews and.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Things like that. I'll say in addition to the laugh.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And and again you know I tread lightly here, but whatever,
but his voice is also additionally a bit piercing for me,
And so.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I'm not talking about a villain. Then you're just like.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Being no, no, well they're gonna like, well, here's what
I'm saying, because again, this is what you get, survivor.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
When you're not given us someone who like comes in
guns of blazing, insulting everybody, or like starts bulldoze and
everybody at camp and like clearly tell us who the
villains are. You sort of force us as people to
just like find stuff we don't like about folks. Because
when you're watching a game of sixteen to eighteen people,
you want to pick people to root for and people
(15:27):
to root against. I don't know if you noticed Lindsay,
but the entire internet decided to root against Eva and
Joe last year just because they were like, uh, too
sympathetic and too inspiring of a story and Jeff was
too enthralled with their level of positivity.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Right, So it's not just me, this is just how
people watch TV.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
So so for me, and there was and there was
a little bit of like, you know, him rolling up
when they were finding the idol and then you know,
then them having to tell him and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Anyway, I could definitely.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Uh, I loved that he had that tuition to be like, hm,
cool like things for including.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Me, but a little too late, you know. Yeah, because
I think he's right.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
I think he is right, Like he's definitely Jake's third
choice there, right, So I don't know, I think like
we could see some some cool things from him. I
think he he's got the intuition. I think he's got
the confidence, and you know, I think that he could
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he could pull some moves here.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Mitch is another one. Last.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I think, like, wouldn't you consider like Jake right, Like
what I said, Like, I think people are like would
be excited to see like Jake fall?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Are you aware? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yes, sure, Okay, fine, Yes, I think Look, I honestly,
if I'm being honest, I think Alex and Jake also
have the potential for like being villains the season.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I think Alex, for like.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
As successful of the two episodes as he's had, he's like,
you know, definitely someone who's you know, pretty high on himself.
And and I could see even him being a little
bit too much for the audience but for me like.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Still kind of purple. So the second Sophie and we
got much from her again, right, So.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
We've gotten a lot of Blairiti who came to Tribal
on what was called a hot day by Jeff just
like draped in a uh you know what, what would
you even call a blanket?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, I'm wondering about that.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Like, I guess there's like, uh I would I would
call it a poncho?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
From Ecuador? Ye?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Well would you would you bust it out? Would you
bust it out? In July?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
In fact, I wore it when I bought it in
this like mountain village in Ecuador because I was so cold.
I was so cold to the point that I wouldn't
take my clothes off to shower.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
For days. That's how cold I was.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
I just had to keep my clothes on because I
just like couldn't even get naked. And I bought that
ponto to add a layer onto everything that I was wearing.
So yeah, I wouldn't be wearing it at tribal council
if I was extremely hot.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I just in general, I mean you use the term
like purple edit right, It's like another reason I don't
love seasons that play out this way, because it does
feel like we've gotten like a disproportionate amount of that.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Is it what what colors are? Tribe?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Blue?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Is it blue? Right?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
The Blue tribe, the Alex Jake and Jeremiah and Sophie tribe.
You know, we've gotten such a disproportionate amount of them that. Yeah,
I mean I feel like other other than like a
couple of like introductory moments and things to you know,
Riz God and and uh Nate and obviously we've gotten
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a little bit of Juwan as well. But like, you know,
I think I would describe a few of these as
having you know, sort of purple edits so far, and
I think it's it's less about them and more about
just like the trajectory of the game so far.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, number Two've definitely seen less of that Yellow tribe
because they just you know, they've been winning and they
haven't had the struggles, the hardships.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
They haven't had to go to tribal council.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah all right, Well, we wanted to get this in
for the Survivor Maniacs since I was out of town.
But you know, clearly we don't have too much to
discuss here. Do you want to and I do know
that our our lovely daughter has just gotten home.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Do you want to make actions?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Do you end up listening to Annie's music?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I yes, you said it to me the other day.
I listened to it. I actually thought it was fun.
I enjoyed it, so okay, yeah, it's got like a
ten things I hate about you kind of vibe.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Okay, yeah, but were you surprised at that? I mean,
I guess that's like her check, right, is that like
it doesn't matter how old she is, like her age,
like she can be vulgar and.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I mean how old is she not that old? Not
that I mean I mean like I mean like yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Like I mean like I I mean, I listen to
music that is like you know, I think music in
general is like fairly vulgar regardless of like your age, right,
Like it's like, I mean, how quote unquote, I mean
you're like, you know, if you're too young.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I guess, you know, music shouldn't be vulgar.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
But then at a certain point, like you know, music, uh,
you know, gets pretty vulgar.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Have you ever seen that guy the comedian doing like
the comparison of reading the lyrics to like maybe it's
cold outside with wap.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
But she's forty nine, So she's forty nine years old,
Like I don't like to me, like, I mean, like
she's younger than like you know, Green Day.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You know, she's you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, it's fine, but no, it just wasn't what I
expected it to be.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I guess that's the thing about music.
It's not like she could have she could have been
playing this music for twenty years, you know what I mean,
and then now she's just kind of you know, maybe
like a bit older for it. But it's that's true.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
She got into music late. That was the whole thing, right.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Right right right, Well, the music she likes.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
My point is, you know what I mean, Like if
you you know, if you're gonna go and do the
music that you like, if you're gonna do punk rock,
you know, if you're gonna do kind of fun uh
alt rock, whatever, you know, it's you gotta be able
to you know, Hey, the new Taylor Swift album's got
some vulgarity on it. I don't know if you've heard
about this, but okay, yeah, so all right, well who
do we predict is going to go home next week?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Do you? First and foremost? Are we get in this tribe? Again?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I mean, it would definitely be interesting to like have
to see the four of them figure.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
That out, But like I nobody likes that. Everybody wants
to see, uh you know somebody else going.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
What's weird is?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Like as a group of four, they don't look that right, Like,
so so what's crazy is?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Again?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
And I also think this is kind of a flaw
in the way that they do these things on Survivor,
which is that, like, I mean, I assume they just
are the other two teams are going to have to
sit two people, right.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
It always seems like then the team should have the
advantage because they've gotten to get rid of their weakest people.
And they left their strongest But I think the issue is,
like I think that's why they do it. They don't
give them the flint, right, So that also that team
is like struggling and weak and tired.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Right right, right, yeah, I mean it could, I guess
be interesting to see how that plays out. But again,
I just hate I just hate what it does to
the rest of the of the game. I hate what
it does to us as viewers. And then we just
have like this disproportionate level of attachment in this one
particular tribe that have been sort of the star of
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then if it happens again three episodes in a row.
So anyway, but I do think that I.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Do think Juwana is still in trouble here, Okay, despite
the fact that he helped got some good will, helped
us try out here. If they go to tribal Council,
which I'm not sure they.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Do another big episode for Savannah here, right, I thought, right,
just camera time wise, she got the whole you know,
she got the whole newscaster thing in you know that
we love.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Yeah, yeah, she seems like she's doing great.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, we love a nice shtick. You all right, Well,
I can hear a ton of background noise. So I
think I'm gonna formally predict you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Pick a person.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
That goes home?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, do you want to pick somebody out of believe? Okay,
you're gonna go juwan.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh. Man.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
So it's interesting to keep saying the Sophie thing about her,
you know, uh, you know, I'm.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Still yeah, but I don't think that means she's going home.
I think we have a lot more to see of her, right,
like a Genevieve.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Right, yeah, what about Yeah? I see sage in her.
I feel are in such a similar boat here.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
You know what I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I'm gonna throw a dart and I'm gonna say, man, yeah,
if it's that other tribe again, Okay, it's the other
tribe again. I'm gonna say it's Jake. But I'm gonna
throw a dart at Jason. I'm gonna say we're gonna
lose Jason next.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
So all right, everybody, I like the Jake prediction.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
All right, Well, thanks for listening to Survivormania.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Happy to get it in before episode three this week,
and hopefully we'll be back a little sooner.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
This week, because not no trip for me.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
This weekend, so maybe we'll be able to get it
in on Thursday or Friday this week for you, so
stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Thanks everybody, Y
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