October 10, 2025 • 46 mins
Scott and Lindsay are back to break down Wednesday's poisonous (or not) episode of Survivior 49!
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
What's up, everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
This is Scott Yeager here for week three of Survivor Mania,
covering season forty nine of Survivor. Did make good on
one of our promises?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Didn't you? This podcast on Friday?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
You don't even have to wait through the weekend of
hearing us to hear us talk about episode three.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
However, unfortunately, I.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Don't think this is going to be the episode you
may have been hoping for, which is my optimism turning
around and talking about this positively, because for me, Lynz,
this was just more of the same. It's exactly what
we feared. But twofold Lindsey first and foremost, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Not enough excitement for you? That makes sense though, it's
like continuation of status quo of disaster tribe getting ripped apart,
but double That's one way to look at it.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
If you listen to this podcast, you know that my
least favorite way to open a Survivor season is with
the I believe it's called paganging, right, pegonging of a
single tribe, And this was I mean, I guess the
only thing I can say is did this like expedite
it by a week?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Maybe? Hopefully so? I guess there's silver lining there?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Oh this be it? Is this enough for Jeff to
consider the two tribes?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, I think, well, all you mean like for like this?
So I so okay. So a couple of things.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
One is, we did get a tease that next week
we are tribe swapping in some regard, we are I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
A tease it Did we need a teaser for that?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
What?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
What else they have done? How to want one verse
one vote?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, we don't know though, for instance, we know there's
fourteen people left. We don't know via the preview whether
it means we're getting seven and seven or whether they're
going to find a way to tribes.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Knew that they were going to have to mix something
up because you can't have one person vote for another
and a tie.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Sure, but so Jeff did I believe? So I listened
to the Jeff podcast. I have some news to report
from that, one of which is that he was not
ready to kind of fully commit to even revealing what
they're doing swap wise, and that he did say that
in the episode it will become clear, uh sort of
when or how they decided what to do and why.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So oh so it might not be so straightforward of
a mixing up of tribes.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, I think it's here's here's part of it, right,
I think perhaps I think after this, I'm just so.
I mean, people have been clamoring for them to get
away from three tribe format for a while.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
This is you know, Exhibit A, B and C for why.
But then what they kind of have done, even on
like the swapping is correct me If I'm wrong, my
memory serves me they sort of just realign and do
like three new tribes randomly, And I always feel like
a couple people get screwed and this and that, and
I don't even think that solves the problem. So for me,
I mean, I would love it if next week we're
(02:52):
going seven and seven until the merge. I don't just
my brain tells me that's maybe not what we're doing.
Maybe the reason is, if I had to guess, are
these challenges set up for three tribes to compete and
and they can't really pivot to that degree this close
to the game. Maybe it's that I'm going to reserve
judgment until I see how they do it next week.
(03:14):
But for me, it's just that this is just.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
We've been having these bigger juries though, are not so
far off from jury.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Right right, I mean, I look, I I just think that.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
He like, you know, the the the fake merge that
they do, the mergatory.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I mean, look, I am, I am, I'm bored of
seeing this tribe.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I was bored of seeing this tribe. We lose, obviously,
Jeremiah via vote. We lose Jake via snake, which is
ironic because I don't know if you were aware of this.
There's a there's a wrestler named Jake. I'm looking at
him right now in our little detail here. What I
will say though, is that look excitement wise?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Interesting? Wise?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Is this a fairly interesting way to lose two members
of the tribe and have the snake bite and obviously
this very dangerous snake that's appeared at least in a
binder on every season. Uh, this is the first time
this has ever happened. Getting to see a little behind
the scenes of the snake bite cool, Sure, I guess,
But again, it is, you know, furthering the game in
(04:18):
a way where look, we've seen a lot of Alex,
we've seen a lot of Sophia.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
It's very.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It was Jake's episode, sure, and like we've spent a
lot of time with like the Jake and Alex bromance
and the you know, will they won't they? And I
think that you know, we never necessarily got to say, well,
will they I didn't mean romantically, I meant like vote wise,
like we never got to see, like.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
You know what about they seem solid?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Well, I just think it's like we I felt like
this was the most uninteresting way to lose players from
this tribe because one of the strongest bonds that was formed,
one of them just gets chopped off by a snake bite.
And then I think, for as much which as it
was made, you know who's he gonna go with? Here,
I felt it was pretty obvious he was going with Sophia.
Now again, that's more of an edgic thing for me.
(05:07):
If you remember last week I questioned whether they were
setting us up for Jeremiah to be the villain of
the season. Jeff used the word infectious to describe his laugh.
I use the word sort of whatever. The opposite of
infectious is is what I use. But but yeah, so
(05:29):
I was like wondering, what are they setting us up
for with this guy? Because I don't really love him? Okay,
I process that as is he going to be a
villain per se?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Is he going to?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
You know, because I thought they were setting us up
for not necessarily loving him. I thought his his his
laugh was sort of you know, looming over the season
in a way that I couldn't couldn't wait to get
rid of it.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I thought it was like fun, fun, evil, like up
up to something crafty, kind of kind of laughed.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I processed it as are they setting us up to
you know, sort of maybe want him out of.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
The game or whatever? What what ended up? It ended
up being?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And I look, this is revisionist history, or this is
hindsight is twenty twenty. Now, having known he only made
it three episodes, I sort of get why he was
edited and shown that way.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You know, here's my question, who do you think in
a world where Jake doesn't get bitten by a snake,
who do you think goes home? Assuming they still lose
that challenge. Even though you know alex is physically, you know,
a great person to have on your tribe, I don't
know that he's going to make a difference in a
puzzle there. So let's assume they lose it.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
You mean Ja, you mean you mean Jake?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Jake yes, I mean Jake, although like Alex isn't faring
much better. But assuming they still go to tribal council anyways,
and everybody, all four of them are there, who do
you think gets voted out?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah? I think it's probably still Jeremiah.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, because because of the idol, because everyone's scared of
the idol.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, I just think that.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I just basically I think in general, I just feel
like they have more of I don't think it's everything
you mean go for Alex here.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I just mean because people are scared. I mean, Sophie
seems to have a really she had a great bond
with Jake, but she also seemed to have a good
bond with Jeremiah. So you know, you can see a
world in which they try to convince someone to get
you know, to get Jake out here. Anyways.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I I was on the table last week, right, Yeah, yeah, Look,
we'll never know. And it's part of what I'm saying
is that, like, is the dynamic duo of it all?
Does that inspire maybe Jeremiah and Sophie to your Sophia
to get together?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Is Sophia or Sophie Sophie?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
But then you risk like a two tooth Split going
to Rocks. Like, I think, once you have the idol
in play, it's also just.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I just think you got Alex. You got Alex and
Jake who are thicke as thieves. You have Alex having
the idol, and then you have Sophie, who's like, clearly
I think just like prime to make the best decision.
And so I still think it would probably have been
Jeremiah here. I also just think Jeremiah as much as
it seemed like they were all copascetic. Like again, I
was getting this vibe from the edit, and again it's
(08:12):
you know, he goes out three episodes here, so that's
probably why. But I was getting the vibe that he
was sort of the least consequential of the tribe mates,
and that again is in contrast to his super big personality.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
See, yeah, I disagree. I think that if if Alex
doesn't have the idol, I think Sophie and Jeremiah get
him out. I think the idol is what saves Alex here,
and unfortunately as Jeremiah's demias, I think that there was
something to the fact that I think Jeremiah and Sophie
I genuinely believe we're having so much fun playing together,
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and I think that goes a long way. And I
do think that she would have stuck with Jeremiah here.
I want to talk about this decision from Sophie. I
do think she played it right. I give a lot
of propster. I think she's playing the best game out here,
despite being you know, super worn down by the elements
and the way that things have gone for her tribe.
And we know that sometimes that works out best for people,
(09:05):
right Like Alex and Sophie are in a position that
often ends up being a very successful player. When you're
at the top of a diminished tribe like this. It
could go really well for them here because the other
two tribes are at full capacity, right they're going to
go to war against each other. Sophie and Alex can
get lost here a little bit. And I think that
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Sophie made the right play here, because here's why she
could have gone the route of hoping, you know, trying
to convince Alex to write down Jeremiah that she was
with him and then still been with Jeremiah voted for Alex.
If he plays the idol, then Jeremiah goes home. If
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he doesn't Jeremiah goes home, I mean, or Alex goes home.
But the thing that she realized, right is that like
her bond and like her connection with Alex was through Jake,
and so when Jake is removed from the picture, they're
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not necessarily like a strong two, and that if she
pulled one over on Alex and he did use the idol,
then yeah, they would move forward together, but there would
be no trust between the two of them, there would
be no bond, there'd be no reason to see them
work together. They would be on their own.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But what if it's four of them though, It's like, look,
Jake and Alex are in lockstep.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's two votes there. What could Jeremiah and and Sophie
have done to ensure that one of them goes home?
Even idle aside, I mean, he doesn't play the idol.
If best you're getting the tie.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
If there's three players, well no, if he doesn't play
the idol.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
It's replay.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm saying with four players, Jake, you were saying if
Jake didn't go home, right, and we had four players going.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Into I'm moved on to that. I'm saying why I
think Sophie made the best move.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Oh, of course she made the best move.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I think, well, I'm explaining why.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, I just think, look, when you got the idol there,
And I think we also need to talk about whether
the idle play was Look, he didn't technically didn't need
to play it, so is that a bad play? I
think there is such a thing as a smart idol play,
even if technically you didn't.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, I don't think this was the bad move from
a bad moove from Alex. So I know he was
beating himself up at the end saying he shouldn't have
played it, But yeah, of course you play it here.
When there's such a high chance that you go home,
you're on a three person tribe, and you don't have
your number one ally in the game anymore, you definitely
play it here. He made the right choice. But what
I was saying is that Sophie definitely made the right
choice because she could have risked it and not gone
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home either way. Right like, assuming that she's convinced Alex
she's with him, and he writes Jeremiah's name now, so
either way she's safe, whether it's Jeremiah or Alex going home.
But the reason I think she made the right room,
and she had to move, and she had to abandon
bandon ship with Jeremiah, even though he might have been
a tighter ally is because in the case which happened
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where Alex plays the idol, Jeremiah goes home, it's the
two of them left. Even though she doesn't go home,
she she doesn't have anybody in this game, and so
I think by doing this, she ensures I have trust.
He believes that we're together, he believes that was always
the plan for me to stay loyal to him, And
so she survives another day. But more importantly, she has
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somebody on her side.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, I think it was the right Jeremiah, like.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
She she might it might have worked out, but it
might not have. And then she survives, but she's she,
you know, has lied to Alex here.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yes, I think that just in general, and again some
of this might have been, you know, subconscious, because I
just felt like Jeremiah seemed to be the least consequential
member of the tribe. I also got the feeling that
I don't know, I like you to see, like, who
do you want to move forward in the game with?
Who do you think has the most substantial opportunity to
(13:05):
help you within the game. I just think Alex or
even by extension, Jay kind of felt like to me
the better people to move forward with, even if eventually
you have to start going for each other.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
That's just how it felt to me.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
But I also thought like, look, like Jeremiah is the
kind of personality where if he's gonna be a you know,
make it two thirds of the way through the game,
even if he doesn't win, but like he has all
the like personality, quirks and and whatnot of like an
iconic survivor character. And I felt like, other than a
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laugh here or there, we weren't getting that from him,
which kind of told me like, all right, either they're
setting me up not to like him, and that's kind
of what I Yeah, is that okay with you?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Or yeah, that's not about you? Game players you're at it.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Did you see apparently there's a stat that, like, you know,
gay people have gone home at the fifteen spot, like
was like five of the last ten times or the
last five times or something absurd.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Have you seen that?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I have not seen that very specific stat.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, So I mean, look, I chalked that up to randomness,
Like I don't truly think there's anything to that. However,
it is a crazy stat like it is random that
it's like that spot you know, is interesting. I mean,
I guess theoretically, like I technically also I believe believe
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Maybe I'm assuming, maybe I'm not.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I believe a gay person also went out at the
eighteen spot this this year too, right, So right was
it eighteen?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah? Oh well here's the other interesting part about it. So,
I mean, but here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Fifteen spot is in it is actually there's an asterisk
because if you think about it, he's going home in
the fifteen spot because sixteen was Jake who was medically metavacs.
My point, my point is that all that randomness have
happens dance. It's kind of like you know what I mean,
Like it doesn't necessarily mean he was the fourth person
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voted out because he wasn't he was technically the third
person voted out, right, So it's a weird kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
But let's talk.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
About this, this metavac because I think it's interesting why
they choose sometimes to have votes, have people still go
to tribal council when someone's metavac and sometimes not. It's
odd to me, I wish I knew, like cut and dry.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Why sometimes it's when it's before or after the challenge, right,
So when someone so when there, when the tribe has
already been decided who's going to tribal, loses a person
after that, they then let that be the person going home.
When this happened before the challenge, they're not going to
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deprive us of a challenge. Theoretically another tribe could have
lost and went to tribal, so they decided to do
it this way. I think based on the timing of
the evacuation.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know, I think I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Know this well enough, but I feel like there are
times when it's been gone both ways where they don't,
you know, they let that just be the person that
goes out that episode for whatever reason. I'm sure a
lot of it's timing, right, like how much they have
to fit in, how many eliminations they have to have
within a certain period of time, how many people have
already gone home, you know, if there's someone else that's
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been met about whatever it is, you know, because they
have a whole schedule here of what they have to
fit in.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But let me let me bring up the other thing
that Jeff said on the podcast that I found interesting
and he didn't. This is me extrapolating this as the
useful bit of information here.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Okay. So he's talking about why they would have never
let him go back in the game, no matter what, right, okay.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And he's explaining that, you know, they're trying to you know,
have it play out as a scene and having you know,
the doctor delivered the information and this and that and whatever,
but if there was no chance they would ever bring
him back.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
And he starts listing these reasons.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Right, and you know, we're watching this and you're kind
of annoyed, and I'm sure there are people annoyed at
the fat Deck that that. Okay, so let's let's I'm
gonna say the two things that I find to be.
This is where I think mileage varies on how whether
you agree with this, and this is the part I
care about.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But so, the first reasons were that, you know, he
had gone through all this extra stress and this and
that and whatever, and even though it wasn't a poisonous bite,
even going through all that stuff, going back into the
game would have been. And the conditions and the starving and.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
The well, that's what they made it seem right, like,
that's why I was.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Mad because the part, yeah, what.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
We were hearing was that the reason they weren't letting
him go back because it was because of the stress
of the ordeal, even though he wasn't actually physically unable
to perform. The stress of the ordeal is why they
were That's what they kept.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well but yeah, but but so there's so there's you okay,
and and he did, you know, clarify.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
That, Oh god, you were so scared that you almost
went home, that you're not going home.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Well he was, oh, you are going home now. I
mean look, look, look, look look so so okay, but
there's another element to it, that element. No, I'm not
even there yet.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
So he still got bit by a snake, right, so
he still was experiencing paint. There's still an element to
what happened to him, whether it was poisonous or not. Right, So,
so again, these are it wasn't just that.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
That's what they said in the episode.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
There's more to the physical that the ailment, that this
and that whatever, and whether he's going to medically clear
him to go back.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
In the game just based on that. So there's that, Okay,
I thought.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
There was literally no chance. I was like, okay, yeah,
he didn't get venom in him. He's obviously going back
in the game.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
But they have Okay, so okay, So there's all that, fine,
but all right, but there's also other elements to the
being bitten and whatnot that all that stuff, Okay, fine,
there's all that where if you say, if it's not
life altering, why can't you go back in the game.
The part that I found the most interesting, and the
part that was never mentioned on the show at all,
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is that he also says that because and even though
it was for a bad reason, and even though it's
to combat all this other stuff, and you could make
the argument that that negates what I'm about to say.
He did get to go and be hooked up to
an oxygen gen machine and a bunch of ivs and
get pumped with a bunch of valuable fluids that the
point of the game is to remove those from you
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and then put you in the game.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
So he is that he has seen challenges, right, or
like some like like uh andy, right, or like somebody
passes out, somebody whatever, and they like they've brought over oxygen,
They've brought over water before before if it's the.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
It's the ivy fluid of it. So it's the it's
the He was pumped.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Full of where's the line?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I just told I just told you where the line is?
The line is there, and that and so and Jeremy Collins,
who is the current co host of the podcast, which,
by the way, Jeremy Collins, I find interesting that he
was chosen for this role because I don't know that
anybody has pinpointed this, but we have heard, you know,
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Jeff kind of doing a retcon on or at least
a you know, performative retcon on people being able to
do shows like Traders and whatnot. And obviously he mentioned
like Suri can go do Traders and do whatever she wants.
She's Sirie and whatnot. And then you know, you keep wondering,
is that the reason Carolyn is an on season fifty
blah blah blah. Does he kind of pick and choose
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who can do Traders and then come back into the
good graces of survivor Well, if you remember, Jeremy Collins
had fairly shortly lived run on Traders season three and
now is the co host of the podcast. So I
wonder was this like another way for them to kind
of performatively let you know, hey see our Survivor goats
can go and play Traders, Because again, I don't think
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the prone a.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Co host of a podcast is a little different than
being on people's TV screens.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Well, but I think it's actually even So let me
just say I don't buy it because of who they chose,
because it's Jeremy Collins. So it's like to me, I
never thought that they once you're a have played Survivor
multiple times person like Jeremy Collins, serree blah blah blah
blah blah blah fiall in the blank. I don't think
they care about those people doing Traders at all, because
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I think those people doing Traders it's nothing but a
shining light on what being a Survivor goat like makes you,
makes you like a.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
There's also something about like there's there they've like ingrained
themselves already in people's like minds as a survivor first
and foremost, you know, when you've played a bunch of times,
you've won, like well.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
To return, it's not the first return.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
So to me, it's as simple as this, Like Carolyn
is like the second time she's seen on your screen.
You know, they would have loved that to have been
Survivor fifty. They would have loved Survivor fifty to be
her coming out party as a strategist and not just
a quirky character who makes it to the end. But
that happened on Traders, So if she comes back for
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Survivor fifty, it's almost kind of hard to even talk
about her in interviews without addressing the fact that, oh,
we saw how deceptive she is on Traders, not necessarily
on Survivor forty four or whatever it was. So I
think that's the difference between a Jeremy or a Surrey
or whomever. However, my point is, in a vacuum, I
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actually think the co host spot is a more exclusive
role than.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
One of twenty four members on Survivor fifty. If you
think about it, they can choose from all five hundred
former Survivor castmates to co host Survivor fifty, and so
in a vacuum it should feel like a more exclusive honor.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
But I don't necessarily think it actually shows that they
don't care about people going on Traders, because again, I
don't think Jeremy Collins the people they're worried about going
on Traders Boston, Rob Serie fill in the blank, Stephanie,
fill in the blank. I think that they don't want
a you know, for instance, like you know, who was
an iconic character recently, Like I think it would pain
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them if like Eva went on Traders before she did
Survivor again or whatever, you know. So I think that's
where the line is. But anyway, interesting to mention, Yeah,
I think.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
There's another element of this that we didn't see that
comes into play here, which is that, you know, for
those who don't follow all the behind the scenes stuff,
is that Jake got taken to Australia to a hospital
there who had a team for this kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And that was the other Yes, that was the other
thing they mentioned is that they they even though yes,
they had deduced that he wasn't like at like serious
risk of dying, that he had to go somewhere else first,
Like I.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Like, you understand why I'm angry though watching this right
is like if the reason is just like, oh, he
got so nervous about like this was such a scary
ordeal that he thought he was almost gonna, you know,
die or almost gonna get Meta back from the game
that now it would be too hard to put him
back in a game because it was so scary that
he almost got like self fulfilling, Like that was what
(24:18):
was angry to me. Have they spent more time being like, look,
like the reason is like, after this happens, we have
to take you to this place for specialists, like we
have to evaluate you. In an addition, like we have
you know, they're already showing us so much behind the scenes.
In this episode, we see for the first time the
book that all the players get on their tribes of
all these you know, kind of rules and things to
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look out for that they have never shown us before,
like the dangerous animals to look out for, things like that. Like,
I think that's fascinating to get to see that. So
you're already peeling back the layers. You're already showing us
this much. Why not just be honest and say like
and also like the fact that we felt, you know,
in order in case this was something we had to
give you these fluids, we had to hook you up
to an IV. You know, you've gotten this advantage, and
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that's where we draw the line, Like I needed that
to not be angry at this metavac.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So I personally think that this is one of them.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I've I've seen way more metavacts that seemed not as
val what's the word justifiable as this like this one,
I think, like I mean, there are layers to the
like for instance, look like step one, option one or
(25:30):
or scenario one is that he was bitten by poisonous
snake and his life is in serious jeopardy.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Right, that's number one.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Okay, that is clear, like you know, obviously graciously not
what happened here.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Okay, but let's just.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Go to like a let's pretend this happened in a
different universe where he got bit by a snake that
was clearly not venomous. But he got bit by the snake.
His foot was hurting, whatever he went, he got all
this stuff. I still would see them pulling him for that,
like I've seen pull people for less consequential stuff like this.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You know, I've seen.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Them like uh, panic attacks or this or that or
like you know, uh whatever it is, Like I just
so so to me, this felt like I knew the
minute he was hooked up to all that stuff, and
he was taken off site and they were shot, Like,
I just it didn't feel like something the the level
of precautions they take when they even sometimes like you
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use the Andy example, so I was surprised that Andy
even stayed in the game when he did. Right, Like
the like when they're giving you special attention, they bring
in the doctor, it feels like it's like a seventy
percent rate of your done, you know, Like, so this
the fact that it was off site, they brought him
on the boat, like all this stuff hooked up to him, this,
that and the other thing, Like it just felt like
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liability wise to put him back in the game just
doesn't see once they've covered all that, that covered the
direness of the situation whever, like to then put him
back in the game with so many variables just feels
like something they wouldn't be able to sign off on doing.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
So it's hardon not to also think the part of
this is like like a blessing in disguise, right, Like
the guy got to be on the show. He talked
about why it was so important to be on this season,
in particular because his dad has glaucoma. He's not going
to be able to visually watch the show. After this year,
and so his dad got the chance to see him,
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and in all honesty, like him being on the Disaster
Tribe was like a good thing. If you're gonna get
mad of backt early, it's like a good thing you're
on the Disaster Tribe, right, because we saw so much
of Jake this season and just a few episodes we
saw we saw him be like the star of the
show for three episodes, and so you know, if that's
gonna happen. He gets the opportunity for his dad to
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see him be on their favorite show. And in addition,
he apparently got to make it home in time to
see the birth of his first child, be there for
his wife, be there for that moment in his life
and his child's life. And it's like, if this was going,
if he wasn't going to win, like in it is
this like a weird bless Obviously he probably wishes it
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didn't happen like this, but like kind of a blessing
in this guys, right, like almost everything.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I mean, I think I think you rank him in
this order. Right, there's go on the show and win
the show. Obviously that's number one. Okay, Oh no, sorry,
Number one is somehow, some way, you go on the show.
You uh, you you win the show, and for whatever reason,
even in a healthy way, you still get to make
the baby whatever. Right, Okay, so there's that number one.
The number two is you go on the show, maybe
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you win, You don't get to see the baby be born,
but you won the show.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Great.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Then there's maybe you make the final three and you
win a little extra money and you almost won the show. Fine,
And then I I always say that, like, probably next
best scenario to to one of those two is probably
something like this, where like you get the best of
both worlds.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Now, he's done a few interviews. I don't know if
he said this yet.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I know you are fascinated by as Am I the
timeline of like, did it just the baby take longer
than they had thought?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Was he allowed to go home earlier than you? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I want to know that is a special exception made
because you know, for those of you who don't follow
this kind of stuff. Oftentimes, especially with the jury, obviously
we know because they have to be there for the
final tribal counsel, but even pre jury, they hold people
for a certain amount of time, which almost makes me
think that they go to jury early, right that the
merge is about to happen, because they hold the people
(29:29):
and pre merge all the same time, and then you know,
they go on a trip and then they go home,
so that it's not obvious what order people went home in.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I think that we'll find out at some point.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I wouldn't be surprised if I mean, like, look here,
here's what I'll say.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I know that what they do is like the pre
jurors like go on some sort of a trip or something. Yeah,
I always forget, like is.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
They like they hold them so that it's not like,
you know, you can like watch the airport and see
exactly the order of when everybody is arrived home.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Right, And does that mean that all eighteen people come
home at once or is it like pre jurors come
home at once and then jurors come and winners come
home at once?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Right?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
So, because if it's two, if it's two like waves,
I could buy that like the first wave and even
if they held him was enough, I could also buy
that after all this they had a special circumstance and
they said, hey, you know, if we put you on
that loo, because like, let's be honest, how consequential. Is
it really if you send the one guy home, you
make sure he has like airtight nda whatever, and like,
(30:32):
you know, he gets to see the baby, Like is
that really?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Like would I'd be shocked to see that.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Survivor in its forty nine season is getting slightly more
compassionate when it comes to that specific thing, because again,
knowing what they love about the good story and this
and that like being able to say he made it
home for the baby, Like that's like a good way
to end this show.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Just like being a human being, right, Like we're all
humans here, even the people that are behind the scenes
on the.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Show, but Jeremy Collins, they take.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
These people on a trip right pre jury, on a
trip during this time, so nobody's going home early. Everybody's
gone for the same amount of time. They're not at
Ponderosa with everybody right on the jury, but they're they're
on a trip. They take them so that they're getting
home at the same time. But I think that in
this I think they made an exception. I would love
to hear more about the behind the scenes, but it
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sounds like they probably made an exception here, and like, right,
we're humans. Some circumstances are different than other circumstances. I
think that this is okay here.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Just go back with what Jeremy said. So Jeremy said,
and I quote as a gamer, he kept calling himself
a gamer, game or gamer. He said that he totally
agrees and thinks that that is an advantage and does
not think it would be fair to put someone back
in the game after they get all that stuff, even
if it's like, look, you're not like going to a
(31:59):
spa and like getting like you know whatever, or you're
not like, you know, having a IV person come to
your house because you got drunk the night before. Like
obviously it is you know, sort of negating the extra
trauma you got that no one else got bit by
a snake, but that those fluids and all that stuff
and whatever that that is an advantage for sure, and
that as a gamer, he would view it as unfair
if someone got to come back in the game after
(32:20):
getting all that so, you know, just to show like
how compassionate everyone is. There is a line to it, right,
like you're like, oh, it sucks to see that happen,
But if they put all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
In you, I don't want I don't want to have
to line up against you in a challenge. That's not fair.
I haven't eaten in four days, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I haven't been properly replenished with fluids in four days.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So even though.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah, maybe your foot's a little sore, the fact that
you got all that extra stuff, especially you're a big
guy already, like you know, that could be the extra
thing you need to be able to carry the thing
faster than me.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And the next challenge.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Hey, I just wish that they had been like, if
you're already you know what I'm saying, if you're already
pulling the curtain back this much, like, why not explain
that part too?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Well?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I think that I don't think it's solely that, So
it's a combination of all of them. I don't think
it's as simple as they would have sent him back
had he not gotten like the IV portion. Like I
do really do think that once you've gone through and
documented on camera the severity of this and how all
this stuff and whatnot, that even if yes, he's not
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going to die from a poisonous snake bite, because you
have to remember the other thing he said on the
podcast is that the team there clarified and was, to
the best of their ability, almost as positive as they
could have been that it was a dry bite and
there was no venom in him whatever. But he still
had to go somewhere else to get one hundred percent clarity,
(33:42):
you know what I mean that, Like, it wasn't as
simple as hey, we're able to in the moment here
sign off on this to the degree where we are
now putting you back on an island to go potentially
get infected or this or that the other. It's just
the health element again, I want to clarify the health
element again was anough. Okay, the gameplay element is not
(34:03):
what made them, but he did mention the gameplay element.
Like so, the fact that he mentioned on the podcast again,
which is why I consider the Jeff podcast sort of
appointment listening, is that he clarifies things either in the
moment like this or just in general on a broader
capacity that they never clarify on the show.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
For whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
There are just things that they almost never really clarify
on the show, you know, like that the binder that
they showed us here with something that you never really
hear clarified on the show. That was like the fact
that they did it on the show I thought was
like pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, I agree, I forget if it was.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, it's like I even heard like former players commenting
on how cool they thought it was that, you know,
people got a glimpse into this thing that they know about,
the players know about that was a part of their experience.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Well they I forget if it was on the show
or the podcast, but someone actually said that there is
a person there. And obviously, look, we know there are
people there, there's people holding the cameras, there's producers, but
that there's literally a person there to literally stop someone
from eating the wrong thing, grab it out of it,
like in addition to the binder, that there is also
(35:15):
a person there to stop them from you know, whether
it's for their protection or the nature's protection, they're just
there always doing that.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
They're lucky they got such great footage of that snake,
to be honest, right, Like there's a world in which
like somebody misses the snake on camera.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, and I know that they obviously had like connecting
shots and stuff, but also if need be, they do,
like I probably have like b roll of said snake,
and maybe that's some of what we saw.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Did we see it like in the context of like
being near Jake, I think so.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
I think I think so. I'm not saying they solely
had you.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
No, now you've got me thinking like was this just
be role that they had of like this kind of
a snake.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
My point is, like, you know, like so for instance,
like these guys are constantly going out and just get
amazing nature shots and whatnot of animals and sunsets and
this and then the other thing. I do not know
the degree to which they uphold the rule of like, off,
it wasn't shot in that day, you're not allowed to
er it. But I if I had to guess, like
if somebody's telling a story about how they like almost
(36:16):
got bit by a pragmantis or whatever but they didn't
capture it, then they can dig up both shot of
a pregmantis on a branch to show us beforehand, to
at least tell the viewers what a pregmantis looks like. Right,
So there's a little bit of that they had a
lot of you saw.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
How smart you know, you can see why Alex does
so well on Capitol Hill, like this moment where he
like goes and looks it up sees that it's extremely
venomous and deadly and like presents the information without like,
you know, in a way that's like honest but not alarmist.
I thought he just like handled things under pressure so well,
(36:52):
which bodes well for somebody in the game, like survivor.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, I mean, I look, I think that.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Again, it's hard to dissect whether it's the pegonging of
it or what it's you know, And and again sometimes
they go hand in hand because the narrative of having
survived the pagoging all often does well for people final
tribal wise and everything. But but Alex and Sophie here
are definitely like we have gotten a dramatically disproportionate look
at them in a myriad of circumstances. We've obviously they're
(37:17):
the only people we've seen at tribal left in the game.
We've heard them walk us through decisions this, that the
other thing, but we have not even seen a glimpse
of that from anyone else. So it is hard to
imagine anyone being relevant to this game other than these
two people.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And we see that these two people are the kind
of people that often do well in the game, So
we'll see how that fits. I want to talk about
something that I don't think is a spoiler, but you
know the thing that you asked about. I'll just say this, like,
and you tell me if we can continue, Well, let.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Me let me say this. Well, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I'll tell you how it was handled on the live
are hap okay?
Speaker 1 (37:54):
So the thought crossed my mind and I asked you
and again, since this information seems to a degree readily
available on the interview, I know.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
What two people are on season fifty from this.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
And a lot of people listening to this stew and
a lot of people listening to this stew and I've
been trying to look and.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
That doesn't necessarily mean anything, but.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
And I've been trying to read through the tea leaves
of who does, because I don't know who's transparent about
does or doesn't. I was surprised when and so so
fast forward twenty second. If you do not want to
hear anything about Jake, Okay, Now, obviously Jake is no
longer on Survivor forty nine. We know why he got
bit by a snake. In recent seasons we have seen
(38:38):
Bruce is a great example. Bruce had to go home
because of a crazy injury. Again, that was another one
that like at the time, I was like, does he
really have to go home for this? And they brought
him back on the following season. Okay, So the thought
crossed my mind as I was watching this, Oh maybe Jake,
because look, when you hear two people from Survivor forty
(38:59):
nine or on.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Season fifty, we're all kind of annoyed.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
We're like, are these two spots that could have been
given to you know, Carolyn or whomever. How great are
these people going to be? And the thought crossed my mind, Oh,
maybe the mail from this season is Jake because of
the snake bite and YadA YadA. Now is that a
great place to bring him back? I'm fifty with a
bunch of like, you know, studs, and so maybe not.
But either way, the reason I asked and I wanted
(39:23):
you to clarify for me was for me that would
have actually put my mind at ease watching the rest
of the season. I was hoping it's just selfishly for
my enjoyment of forty nine. I was hoping the answer
was yes, Okay, you clarified for me. Now fast forward,
fast forward, if you want you clarified for me that
at least what you've heard is no, he is not okay.
(39:45):
So that then tells me, Okay, now I have to
keep watching Survivor forty nine wondering who is or whatever
and maybe having stuff spoiled for me. What I was
surprised by was Rob had the same thought, okay, And
I just listened to their live no at All or
live watch along party they did here at Tribeca down downtown,
which we forgot about but we really wanted to go.
(40:08):
And Rob actually predicted that he is brought back for
fifty because of this, and no one corrected him, no
one clarified, and I was surprised on too late.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Rob is claiming that he doesn't know who's on fifty.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, so I was surprised on two levels because this
was a him.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Either I know that that's not true.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Well, that's my thing is that because I've.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Heard him make jokes about who's like be like like
be funny insider and make jokes well again about somebody
going so many must not like I literally have heard
him say about one of the players that's on fifty, Oh,
like they must. I bet they must go out really
(40:51):
early and like make a kind of obvious joke about it.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Well, here's where maybe he's doing what I often do
with Challenge Mania, which is, you know, I, from time
to time will will know stuff that happens in a season.
But there's absolutely no fun listening to a podcaster or
talk about things where they just like know what happened.
So I watch every episode and I like make it
(41:16):
a point to like predict things based on what I
would have predicted based on what they're showing me. Right,
So sometimes that even means that I say things that
I know are wrong, because I do know that Scott
Yeager would have thought they were right had he not
been told that they were wrong.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Right, Maybe I'm totally wrong and he like really believed that,
But I don't buy it. It sounds like a very
purposeful inside joke he was making.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
But again I don't fault it if what he's doing
is just putting himself in this.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
But it's weird to like not do it across the board.
And I love Rob Well.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
I don't know what podcasts you're talking about where he
said what he said. Maybe that was yeah, so that's a.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Little different, But I'll just say that, like I when
watching this the thought popped into my head.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Oh, because I will say this.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Fifty or not, I could see them bringing Jake back
right now now that I know that it's not for fifty,
I can say that selfishly now for me as a
viewer of fifty, I'm glad he's not on fifty because
no offense, I don't need random guy.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I spent three weeks with Uah and.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Also like we've already seen Jonathan's coming back, like you know,
I need both of them.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
But either way, I found that interesting and I was,
you know, again, hoping that that that was the case,
but just for watching this. But but I've yeah, the
way Rob handled it, he was predicting that. So I
wonder if there's other people out there who watching this,
wonder if he's the guy who's brought back. But I'll
say I would not be shocked if he's brought back
for a future season in the next ten seasons or so, all.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Right that look, I'll be honest.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
This episode was really about the pre challenge snake bite,
the post challenge tribal uh and.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
We got the only other thing that I think, like
you know, we got from another tribe is we can
talk about that moment where Stage comes up to the
others and throws Savannah under the bus. There, you know
that we see like there's a clear four and that
there's two on the bottom here, and that that information
(43:32):
gets right back to Savannah, which I think is important
to note that Savannah is clearly in a position of
having trusted people around her.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Okay, the name you are searching for is Shannon, right, Shannon,
So again.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
This is like like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Everyone with the same name, Let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Not the season on a tribe where everywhere like you're
winning so clearly and you're like obviously going to go
into this with good numbers here, Like just stop throwing
people's names around, Like just don't throw people's names around
if you're like maybe not even going to go to
tribal council here, like you know, because I think there's
a world in which you go to the merge and
(44:18):
you can stay like a five tight or a six height,
but like I don't know, I just like I just
think there's like too much going on for a tribe
that like maybe isn't going to need to do this,
And that's how it starts to fall apart when you
get to the merge because you don't trust that everyone's
going to stay together.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
What I meant was like, for a season where there's
two Sophies, a Sage, a Savannah Shannon, you know, it's like,
I think that like that already is confusing. It always
takes a few weeks to kind of figure out who
everyone is, and that, coupled with the fact that all
of them are on these tribes that have not even
gone to tribal yet and we have gotten such little
extra time with them, has made it, in my opinion,
(44:56):
truly difficult to discern who is Shannon? Who is Sage?
Who is Sophie number two? I mean Sophie number two,
let's be on. I mean, like I still to this day,
Sage and Sophie number two I think are like the
same person. And then Savannah, I think is the one
who has sort of you know, I think gotten a
little extra time here. But all right, and then we
(45:17):
got a little innate in this episode. I was wondering,
I mean, it felt like we were we were setting
up maybe, and this is why I incorrectly predicted that
we were gonna have the Blue Tribe actually win. I
was doing that twofold one is like just the heavy
handedness of like, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
We're dedicating it to Jake and this and that. Whenever
I was like, are they really gonna after that? Are
they gonna depress this even more? And they did.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
And then also I thought we were getting a foreshadowing
of maybe MC going home here.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
So I thought we were getting a lot of MC
early on in the episode.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
And then you know, I ended up being for not,
but I thought maybe that she was someone I had
kind of in the back of my head thought about
going home here. I forget who I predicted going home.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Next week, but I did throw out Jake's name.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I threw out Jake's name.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
But then I then I went with didn't I go
for Jeremiah going home?
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Or if it was someone not on that tribe, I
went with Jason.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Who you didn't Seeeremiah? You said, Jason? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Well no, I but I picked one on the Blue
tribe because I said, I think we are getting blue again. Yeah, no,
I I think I yeah, Or maybe I said Jake
or Jeremiah I one of the guys who went home
on Blue.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
I definitely said their name last week.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
All right, So this week we're getting a swap, hopefully
a two tribe swap. Hopefully, you know, greener pastures are
upon us and we can starting next week talk about
a show that's good.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
So all right, everybody, have a great weekend. We'll see
you next week
What's up, everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
This is Scott Yeager here for week three of Survivor Mania,
covering season forty nine of Survivor. Did make good on
one of our promises?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Didn't you? This podcast on Friday?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
You don't even have to wait through the weekend of
hearing us to hear us talk about episode three.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
However, unfortunately, I.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Don't think this is going to be the episode you
may have been hoping for, which is my optimism turning
around and talking about this positively, because for me, Lynz,
this was just more of the same. It's exactly what
we feared. But twofold Lindsey first and foremost, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Not enough excitement for you? That makes sense though, it's
like continuation of status quo of disaster tribe getting ripped apart,
but double That's one way to look at it.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
If you listen to this podcast, you know that my
least favorite way to open a Survivor season is with
the I believe it's called paganging, right, pegonging of a
single tribe, And this was I mean, I guess the
only thing I can say is did this like expedite
it by a week?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Maybe? Hopefully so? I guess there's silver lining there?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Oh this be it? Is this enough for Jeff to
consider the two tribes?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, I think, well, all you mean like for like this?
So I so okay. So a couple of things.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
One is, we did get a tease that next week
we are tribe swapping in some regard, we are I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
A tease it Did we need a teaser for that?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
What?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
What else they have done? How to want one verse
one vote?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, we don't know though, for instance, we know there's
fourteen people left. We don't know via the preview whether
it means we're getting seven and seven or whether they're
going to find a way to tribes.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Knew that they were going to have to mix something
up because you can't have one person vote for another
and a tie.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Sure, but so Jeff did I believe? So I listened
to the Jeff podcast. I have some news to report
from that, one of which is that he was not
ready to kind of fully commit to even revealing what
they're doing swap wise, and that he did say that
in the episode it will become clear, uh sort of
when or how they decided what to do and why.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So oh so it might not be so straightforward of
a mixing up of tribes.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, I think it's here's here's part of it, right,
I think perhaps I think after this, I'm just so.
I mean, people have been clamoring for them to get
away from three tribe format for a while.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
This is you know, Exhibit A, B and C for why.
But then what they kind of have done, even on
like the swapping is correct me If I'm wrong, my
memory serves me they sort of just realign and do
like three new tribes randomly, And I always feel like
a couple people get screwed and this and that, and
I don't even think that solves the problem. So for me,
I mean, I would love it if next week we're
(02:52):
going seven and seven until the merge. I don't just
my brain tells me that's maybe not what we're doing.
Maybe the reason is, if I had to guess, are
these challenges set up for three tribes to compete and
and they can't really pivot to that degree this close
to the game. Maybe it's that I'm going to reserve
judgment until I see how they do it next week.
(03:14):
But for me, it's just that this is just.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
We've been having these bigger juries though, are not so
far off from jury.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Right right, I mean, I look, I I just think that.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
He like, you know, the the the fake merge that
they do, the mergatory.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I mean, look, I am, I am, I'm bored of
seeing this tribe.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I was bored of seeing this tribe. We lose, obviously,
Jeremiah via vote. We lose Jake via snake, which is
ironic because I don't know if you were aware of this.
There's a there's a wrestler named Jake. I'm looking at
him right now in our little detail here. What I
will say though, is that look excitement wise?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Interesting? Wise?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Is this a fairly interesting way to lose two members
of the tribe and have the snake bite and obviously
this very dangerous snake that's appeared at least in a
binder on every season. Uh, this is the first time
this has ever happened. Getting to see a little behind
the scenes of the snake bite cool, Sure, I guess,
But again, it is, you know, furthering the game in
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a way where look, we've seen a lot of Alex,
we've seen a lot of Sophia.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
It's very.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It was Jake's episode, sure, and like we've spent a
lot of time with like the Jake and Alex bromance
and the you know, will they won't they? And I
think that you know, we never necessarily got to say, well,
will they I didn't mean romantically, I meant like vote wise,
like we never got to see, like.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
You know what about they seem solid?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Well, I just think it's like we I felt like
this was the most uninteresting way to lose players from
this tribe because one of the strongest bonds that was formed,
one of them just gets chopped off by a snake bite.
And then I think, for as much which as it
was made, you know who's he gonna go with? Here,
I felt it was pretty obvious he was going with Sophia.
Now again, that's more of an edgic thing for me.
(05:07):
If you remember last week I questioned whether they were
setting us up for Jeremiah to be the villain of
the season. Jeff used the word infectious to describe his laugh.
I use the word sort of whatever. The opposite of
infectious is is what I use. But but yeah, so
(05:29):
I was like wondering, what are they setting us up
for with this guy? Because I don't really love him? Okay,
I process that as is he going to be a
villain per se?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Is he going to?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
You know, because I thought they were setting us up
for not necessarily loving him. I thought his his his
laugh was sort of you know, looming over the season
in a way that I couldn't couldn't wait to get
rid of it.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I thought it was like fun, fun, evil, like up
up to something crafty, kind of kind of laughed.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I processed it as are they setting us up to
you know, sort of maybe want him out of.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
The game or whatever? What what ended up? It ended
up being?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And I look, this is revisionist history, or this is
hindsight is twenty twenty. Now, having known he only made
it three episodes, I sort of get why he was
edited and shown that way.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You know, here's my question, who do you think in
a world where Jake doesn't get bitten by a snake,
who do you think goes home? Assuming they still lose
that challenge. Even though you know alex is physically, you know,
a great person to have on your tribe, I don't
know that he's going to make a difference in a
puzzle there. So let's assume they lose it.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
You mean Ja, you mean you mean Jake?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Jake yes, I mean Jake, although like Alex isn't faring
much better. But assuming they still go to tribal council anyways,
and everybody, all four of them are there, who do
you think gets voted out?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah? I think it's probably still Jeremiah.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, because because of the idol, because everyone's scared of
the idol.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, I just think that.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I just basically I think in general, I just feel
like they have more of I don't think it's everything
you mean go for Alex here.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I just mean because people are scared. I mean, Sophie
seems to have a really she had a great bond
with Jake, but she also seemed to have a good
bond with Jeremiah. So you know, you can see a
world in which they try to convince someone to get
you know, to get Jake out here. Anyways.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I I was on the table last week, right, Yeah, yeah, Look,
we'll never know. And it's part of what I'm saying
is that, like, is the dynamic duo of it all?
Does that inspire maybe Jeremiah and Sophie to your Sophia
to get together?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Is Sophia or Sophie Sophie?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
But then you risk like a two tooth Split going
to Rocks. Like, I think, once you have the idol
in play, it's also just.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I just think you got Alex. You got Alex and
Jake who are thicke as thieves. You have Alex having
the idol, and then you have Sophie, who's like, clearly
I think just like prime to make the best decision.
And so I still think it would probably have been
Jeremiah here. I also just think Jeremiah as much as
it seemed like they were all copascetic. Like again, I
was getting this vibe from the edit, and again it's
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you know, he goes out three episodes here, so that's
probably why. But I was getting the vibe that he
was sort of the least consequential of the tribe mates,
and that again is in contrast to his super big personality.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
See, yeah, I disagree. I think that if if Alex
doesn't have the idol, I think Sophie and Jeremiah get
him out. I think the idol is what saves Alex here,
and unfortunately as Jeremiah's demias, I think that there was
something to the fact that I think Jeremiah and Sophie
I genuinely believe we're having so much fun playing together,
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and I think that goes a long way. And I
do think that she would have stuck with Jeremiah here.
I want to talk about this decision from Sophie. I
do think she played it right. I give a lot
of propster. I think she's playing the best game out here,
despite being you know, super worn down by the elements
and the way that things have gone for her tribe.
And we know that sometimes that works out best for people,
(09:05):
right Like Alex and Sophie are in a position that
often ends up being a very successful player. When you're
at the top of a diminished tribe like this. It
could go really well for them here because the other
two tribes are at full capacity, right they're going to
go to war against each other. Sophie and Alex can
get lost here a little bit. And I think that
(09:26):
Sophie made the right play here, because here's why she
could have gone the route of hoping, you know, trying
to convince Alex to write down Jeremiah that she was
with him and then still been with Jeremiah voted for Alex.
If he plays the idol, then Jeremiah goes home. If
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he doesn't Jeremiah goes home, I mean, or Alex goes home.
But the thing that she realized, right is that like
her bond and like her connection with Alex was through Jake,
and so when Jake is removed from the picture, they're
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not necessarily like a strong two, and that if she
pulled one over on Alex and he did use the idol,
then yeah, they would move forward together, but there would
be no trust between the two of them, there would
be no bond, there'd be no reason to see them
work together. They would be on their own.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But what if it's four of them though, It's like, look,
Jake and Alex are in lockstep.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's two votes there. What could Jeremiah and and Sophie
have done to ensure that one of them goes home?
Even idle aside, I mean, he doesn't play the idol.
If best you're getting the tie.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
If there's three players, well no, if he doesn't play
the idol.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
It's replay.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I'm saying with four players, Jake, you were saying if
Jake didn't go home, right, and we had four players going.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Into I'm moved on to that. I'm saying why I
think Sophie made the best move.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Oh, of course she made the best move.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I think, well, I'm explaining why.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, I just think, look, when you got the idol there,
And I think we also need to talk about whether
the idle play was Look, he didn't technically didn't need
to play it, so is that a bad play? I
think there is such a thing as a smart idol play,
even if technically you didn't.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, I don't think this was the bad move from
a bad moove from Alex. So I know he was
beating himself up at the end saying he shouldn't have
played it, But yeah, of course you play it here.
When there's such a high chance that you go home,
you're on a three person tribe, and you don't have
your number one ally in the game anymore, you definitely
play it here. He made the right choice. But what
I was saying is that Sophie definitely made the right
choice because she could have risked it and not gone
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home either way. Right like, assuming that she's convinced Alex
she's with him, and he writes Jeremiah's name now, so
either way she's safe, whether it's Jeremiah or Alex going home.
But the reason I think she made the right room,
and she had to move, and she had to abandon
bandon ship with Jeremiah, even though he might have been
a tighter ally is because in the case which happened
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where Alex plays the idol, Jeremiah goes home, it's the
two of them left. Even though she doesn't go home,
she she doesn't have anybody in this game, and so
I think by doing this, she ensures I have trust.
He believes that we're together, he believes that was always
the plan for me to stay loyal to him, And
so she survives another day. But more importantly, she has
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somebody on her side.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, I think it was the right Jeremiah, like.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
She she might it might have worked out, but it
might not have. And then she survives, but she's she,
you know, has lied to Alex here.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yes, I think that just in general, and again some
of this might have been, you know, subconscious, because I
just felt like Jeremiah seemed to be the least consequential
member of the tribe. I also got the feeling that
I don't know, I like you to see, like, who
do you want to move forward in the game with?
Who do you think has the most substantial opportunity to
(13:05):
help you within the game. I just think Alex or
even by extension, Jay kind of felt like to me
the better people to move forward with, even if eventually
you have to start going for each other.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
That's just how it felt to me.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
But I also thought like, look, like Jeremiah is the
kind of personality where if he's gonna be a you know,
make it two thirds of the way through the game,
even if he doesn't win, but like he has all
the like personality, quirks and and whatnot of like an
iconic survivor character. And I felt like, other than a
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laugh here or there, we weren't getting that from him,
which kind of told me like, all right, either they're
setting me up not to like him, and that's kind
of what I Yeah, is that okay with you?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Or yeah, that's not about you? Game players you're at it.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Did you see apparently there's a stat that, like, you know,
gay people have gone home at the fifteen spot, like
was like five of the last ten times or the
last five times or something absurd.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Have you seen that?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I have not seen that very specific stat.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, So I mean, look, I chalked that up to randomness,
Like I don't truly think there's anything to that. However,
it is a crazy stat like it is random that
it's like that spot you know, is interesting. I mean,
I guess theoretically, like I technically also I believe believe
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Maybe I'm assuming, maybe I'm not.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I believe a gay person also went out at the
eighteen spot this this year too, right, So right was
it eighteen?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah? Oh well here's the other interesting part about it. So,
I mean, but here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Fifteen spot is in it is actually there's an asterisk
because if you think about it, he's going home in
the fifteen spot because sixteen was Jake who was medically metavacs.
My point, my point is that all that randomness have
happens dance. It's kind of like you know what I mean,
Like it doesn't necessarily mean he was the fourth person
(15:05):
voted out because he wasn't he was technically the third
person voted out, right, So it's a weird kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
But let's talk.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
About this, this metavac because I think it's interesting why
they choose sometimes to have votes, have people still go
to tribal council when someone's metavac and sometimes not. It's
odd to me, I wish I knew, like cut and dry.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Why sometimes it's when it's before or after the challenge, right,
So when someone so when there, when the tribe has
already been decided who's going to tribal, loses a person
after that, they then let that be the person going home.
When this happened before the challenge, they're not going to
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deprive us of a challenge. Theoretically another tribe could have
lost and went to tribal, so they decided to do
it this way. I think based on the timing of
the evacuation.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know, I think I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Know this well enough, but I feel like there are
times when it's been gone both ways where they don't,
you know, they let that just be the person that
goes out that episode for whatever reason. I'm sure a
lot of it's timing, right, like how much they have
to fit in, how many eliminations they have to have
within a certain period of time, how many people have
already gone home, you know, if there's someone else that's
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been met about whatever it is, you know, because they
have a whole schedule here of what they have to
fit in.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But let me let me bring up the other thing
that Jeff said on the podcast that I found interesting
and he didn't. This is me extrapolating this as the
useful bit of information here.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Okay. So he's talking about why they would have never
let him go back in the game, no matter what, right, okay.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And he's explaining that, you know, they're trying to you know,
have it play out as a scene and having you know,
the doctor delivered the information and this and that and whatever,
but if there was no chance they would ever bring
him back.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
And he starts listing these reasons.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Right, and you know, we're watching this and you're kind
of annoyed, and I'm sure there are people annoyed at
the fat Deck that that. Okay, so let's let's I'm
gonna say the two things that I find to be.
This is where I think mileage varies on how whether
you agree with this, and this is the part I
care about.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
But so, the first reasons were that, you know, he
had gone through all this extra stress and this and
that and whatever, and even though it wasn't a poisonous bite,
even going through all that stuff, going back into the
game would have been. And the conditions and the starving and.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
The well, that's what they made it seem right, like,
that's why I was.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Mad because the part, yeah, what.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
We were hearing was that the reason they weren't letting
him go back because it was because of the stress
of the ordeal, even though he wasn't actually physically unable
to perform. The stress of the ordeal is why they
were That's what they kept.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well but yeah, but but so there's so there's you okay,
and and he did, you know, clarify.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
That, Oh god, you were so scared that you almost
went home, that you're not going home.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Well he was, oh, you are going home now. I
mean look, look, look, look look so so okay, but
there's another element to it, that element. No, I'm not
even there yet.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
So he still got bit by a snake, right, so
he still was experiencing paint. There's still an element to
what happened to him, whether it was poisonous or not. Right, So,
so again, these are it wasn't just that.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
That's what they said in the episode.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
There's more to the physical that the ailment, that this
and that whatever, and whether he's going to medically clear
him to go back.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
In the game just based on that. So there's that, Okay,
I thought.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
There was literally no chance. I was like, okay, yeah,
he didn't get venom in him. He's obviously going back
in the game.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
But they have Okay, so okay, So there's all that, fine,
but all right, but there's also other elements to the
being bitten and whatnot that all that stuff, Okay, fine,
there's all that where if you say, if it's not
life altering, why can't you go back in the game.
The part that I found the most interesting, and the
part that was never mentioned on the show at all,
(19:09):
is that he also says that because and even though
it was for a bad reason, and even though it's
to combat all this other stuff, and you could make
the argument that that negates what I'm about to say.
He did get to go and be hooked up to
an oxygen gen machine and a bunch of ivs and
get pumped with a bunch of valuable fluids that the
point of the game is to remove those from you
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and then put you in the game.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
So he is that he has seen challenges, right, or
like some like like uh andy, right, or like somebody
passes out, somebody whatever, and they like they've brought over oxygen,
They've brought over water before before if it's the.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
It's the ivy fluid of it. So it's the it's
the He was pumped.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Full of where's the line?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I just told I just told you where the line is?
The line is there, and that and so and Jeremy Collins,
who is the current co host of the podcast, which,
by the way, Jeremy Collins, I find interesting that he
was chosen for this role because I don't know that
anybody has pinpointed this, but we have heard, you know,
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Jeff kind of doing a retcon on or at least
a you know, performative retcon on people being able to
do shows like Traders and whatnot. And obviously he mentioned
like Suri can go do Traders and do whatever she wants.
She's Sirie and whatnot. And then you know, you keep wondering,
is that the reason Carolyn is an on season fifty
blah blah blah. Does he kind of pick and choose
(20:38):
who can do Traders and then come back into the
good graces of survivor Well, if you remember, Jeremy Collins
had fairly shortly lived run on Traders season three and
now is the co host of the podcast. So I
wonder was this like another way for them to kind
of performatively let you know, hey see our Survivor goats
can go and play Traders, Because again, I don't think
(21:01):
the prone a.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Co host of a podcast is a little different than
being on people's TV screens.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Well, but I think it's actually even So let me
just say I don't buy it because of who they chose,
because it's Jeremy Collins. So it's like to me, I
never thought that they once you're a have played Survivor
multiple times person like Jeremy Collins, serree blah blah blah
blah blah blah fiall in the blank. I don't think
they care about those people doing Traders at all, because
(21:26):
I think those people doing Traders it's nothing but a
shining light on what being a Survivor goat like makes you,
makes you like a.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
There's also something about like there's there they've like ingrained
themselves already in people's like minds as a survivor first
and foremost, you know, when you've played a bunch of times,
you've won, like well.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
To return, it's not the first return.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
So to me, it's as simple as this, Like Carolyn
is like the second time she's seen on your screen.
You know, they would have loved that to have been
Survivor fifty. They would have loved Survivor fifty to be
her coming out party as a strategist and not just
a quirky character who makes it to the end. But
that happened on Traders, So if she comes back for
(22:11):
Survivor fifty, it's almost kind of hard to even talk
about her in interviews without addressing the fact that, oh,
we saw how deceptive she is on Traders, not necessarily
on Survivor forty four or whatever it was. So I
think that's the difference between a Jeremy or a Surrey
or whomever. However, my point is, in a vacuum, I
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actually think the co host spot is a more exclusive
role than.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
One of twenty four members on Survivor fifty. If you
think about it, they can choose from all five hundred
former Survivor castmates to co host Survivor fifty, and so
in a vacuum it should feel like a more exclusive honor.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
But I don't necessarily think it actually shows that they
don't care about people going on Traders, because again, I
don't think Jeremy Collins the people they're worried about going
on Traders Boston, Rob Serie fill in the blank, Stephanie,
fill in the blank. I think that they don't want
a you know, for instance, like you know, who was
an iconic character recently, Like I think it would pain
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them if like Eva went on Traders before she did
Survivor again or whatever, you know. So I think that's
where the line is. But anyway, interesting to mention, Yeah,
I think.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
There's another element of this that we didn't see that
comes into play here, which is that, you know, for
those who don't follow all the behind the scenes stuff,
is that Jake got taken to Australia to a hospital
there who had a team for this kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And that was the other Yes, that was the other
thing they mentioned is that they they even though yes,
they had deduced that he wasn't like at like serious
risk of dying, that he had to go somewhere else first,
Like I.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Like, you understand why I'm angry though watching this right
is like if the reason is just like, oh, he
got so nervous about like this was such a scary
ordeal that he thought he was almost gonna, you know,
die or almost gonna get Meta back from the game
that now it would be too hard to put him
back in a game because it was so scary that
he almost got like self fulfilling, Like that was what
(24:18):
was angry to me. Have they spent more time being like, look,
like the reason is like, after this happens, we have
to take you to this place for specialists, like we
have to evaluate you. In an addition, like we have
you know, they're already showing us so much behind the scenes.
In this episode, we see for the first time the
book that all the players get on their tribes of
all these you know, kind of rules and things to
(24:39):
look out for that they have never shown us before,
like the dangerous animals to look out for, things like that. Like,
I think that's fascinating to get to see that. So
you're already peeling back the layers. You're already showing us
this much. Why not just be honest and say like
and also like the fact that we felt, you know,
in order in case this was something we had to
give you these fluids, we had to hook you up
to an IV. You know, you've gotten this advantage, and
(25:01):
that's where we draw the line, Like I needed that
to not be angry at this metavac.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So I personally think that this is one of them.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I've I've seen way more metavacts that seemed not as
val what's the word justifiable as this like this one,
I think, like I mean, there are layers to the
like for instance, look like step one, option one or
(25:30):
or scenario one is that he was bitten by poisonous
snake and his life is in serious jeopardy.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Right, that's number one.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Okay, that is clear, like you know, obviously graciously not
what happened here.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Okay, but let's just.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Go to like a let's pretend this happened in a
different universe where he got bit by a snake that
was clearly not venomous. But he got bit by the snake.
His foot was hurting, whatever he went, he got all
this stuff. I still would see them pulling him for that,
like I've seen pull people for less consequential stuff like this.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You know, I've seen.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Them like uh, panic attacks or this or that or
like you know, uh whatever it is, Like I just
so so to me, this felt like I knew the
minute he was hooked up to all that stuff, and
he was taken off site and they were shot, Like,
I just it didn't feel like something the the level
of precautions they take when they even sometimes like you
(26:25):
use the Andy example, so I was surprised that Andy
even stayed in the game when he did. Right, Like
the like when they're giving you special attention, they bring
in the doctor, it feels like it's like a seventy
percent rate of your done, you know, Like, so this
the fact that it was off site, they brought him
on the boat, like all this stuff hooked up to him, this,
that and the other thing, Like it just felt like
(26:47):
liability wise to put him back in the game just
doesn't see once they've covered all that, that covered the
direness of the situation whever, like to then put him
back in the game with so many variables just feels
like something they wouldn't be able to sign off on doing.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
So it's hardon not to also think the part of
this is like like a blessing in disguise, right, Like
the guy got to be on the show. He talked
about why it was so important to be on this season,
in particular because his dad has glaucoma. He's not going
to be able to visually watch the show. After this year,
and so his dad got the chance to see him,
(27:24):
and in all honesty, like him being on the Disaster
Tribe was like a good thing. If you're gonna get
mad of backt early, it's like a good thing you're
on the Disaster Tribe, right, because we saw so much
of Jake this season and just a few episodes we
saw we saw him be like the star of the
show for three episodes, and so you know, if that's
gonna happen. He gets the opportunity for his dad to
(27:46):
see him be on their favorite show. And in addition,
he apparently got to make it home in time to
see the birth of his first child, be there for
his wife, be there for that moment in his life
and his child's life. And it's like, if this was going,
if he wasn't going to win, like in it is
this like a weird bless Obviously he probably wishes it
(28:07):
didn't happen like this, but like kind of a blessing
in this guys, right, like almost everything.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I mean, I think I think you rank him in
this order. Right, there's go on the show and win
the show. Obviously that's number one. Okay, Oh no, sorry,
Number one is somehow, some way, you go on the show.
You uh, you you win the show, and for whatever reason,
even in a healthy way, you still get to make
the baby whatever. Right, Okay, so there's that number one.
The number two is you go on the show, maybe
(28:32):
you win, You don't get to see the baby be born,
but you won the show.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Great.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Then there's maybe you make the final three and you
win a little extra money and you almost won the show. Fine,
And then I I always say that, like, probably next
best scenario to to one of those two is probably
something like this, where like you get the best of
both worlds.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Now, he's done a few interviews. I don't know if
he said this yet.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I know you are fascinated by as Am I the
timeline of like, did it just the baby take longer
than they had thought?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Was he allowed to go home earlier than you? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
I want to know that is a special exception made
because you know, for those of you who don't follow
this kind of stuff. Oftentimes, especially with the jury, obviously
we know because they have to be there for the
final tribal counsel, but even pre jury, they hold people
for a certain amount of time, which almost makes me
think that they go to jury early, right that the
merge is about to happen, because they hold the people
(29:29):
and pre merge all the same time, and then you know,
they go on a trip and then they go home,
so that it's not obvious what order people went home in.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I think that we'll find out at some point.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I wouldn't be surprised if I mean, like, look here,
here's what I'll say.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I know that what they do is like the pre
jurors like go on some sort of a trip or something. Yeah,
I always forget, like is.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
They like they hold them so that it's not like,
you know, you can like watch the airport and see
exactly the order of when everybody is arrived home.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Right, And does that mean that all eighteen people come
home at once or is it like pre jurors come
home at once and then jurors come and winners come
home at once?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Right?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
So, because if it's two, if it's two like waves,
I could buy that like the first wave and even
if they held him was enough, I could also buy
that after all this they had a special circumstance and
they said, hey, you know, if we put you on
that loo, because like, let's be honest, how consequential. Is
it really if you send the one guy home, you
make sure he has like airtight nda whatever, and like,
(30:32):
you know, he gets to see the baby, Like is
that really?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Like would I'd be shocked to see that.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Survivor in its forty nine season is getting slightly more
compassionate when it comes to that specific thing, because again,
knowing what they love about the good story and this
and that like being able to say he made it
home for the baby, Like that's like a good way
to end this show.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Just like being a human being, right, Like we're all
humans here, even the people that are behind the scenes
on the.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Show, but Jeremy Collins, they take.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
These people on a trip right pre jury, on a
trip during this time, so nobody's going home early. Everybody's
gone for the same amount of time. They're not at
Ponderosa with everybody right on the jury, but they're they're
on a trip. They take them so that they're getting
home at the same time. But I think that in
this I think they made an exception. I would love
to hear more about the behind the scenes, but it
(31:20):
sounds like they probably made an exception here, and like, right,
we're humans. Some circumstances are different than other circumstances. I
think that this is okay here.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Just go back with what Jeremy said. So Jeremy said,
and I quote as a gamer, he kept calling himself
a gamer, game or gamer. He said that he totally
agrees and thinks that that is an advantage and does
not think it would be fair to put someone back
in the game after they get all that stuff, even
if it's like, look, you're not like going to a
(31:59):
spa and like getting like you know whatever, or you're
not like, you know, having a IV person come to
your house because you got drunk the night before. Like
obviously it is you know, sort of negating the extra
trauma you got that no one else got bit by
a snake, but that those fluids and all that stuff
and whatever that that is an advantage for sure, and
that as a gamer, he would view it as unfair
if someone got to come back in the game after
(32:20):
getting all that so, you know, just to show like
how compassionate everyone is. There is a line to it, right,
like you're like, oh, it sucks to see that happen,
But if they put all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
In you, I don't want I don't want to have
to line up against you in a challenge. That's not fair.
I haven't eaten in four days, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I haven't been properly replenished with fluids in four days.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So even though.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah, maybe your foot's a little sore, the fact that
you got all that extra stuff, especially you're a big
guy already, like you know, that could be the extra
thing you need to be able to carry the thing
faster than me.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
And the next challenge.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Hey, I just wish that they had been like, if
you're already you know what I'm saying, if you're already
pulling the curtain back this much, like, why not explain
that part too?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Well?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I think that I don't think it's solely that, So
it's a combination of all of them. I don't think
it's as simple as they would have sent him back
had he not gotten like the IV portion. Like I
do really do think that once you've gone through and
documented on camera the severity of this and how all
this stuff and whatnot, that even if yes, he's not
(33:20):
going to die from a poisonous snake bite, because you
have to remember the other thing he said on the
podcast is that the team there clarified and was, to
the best of their ability, almost as positive as they
could have been that it was a dry bite and
there was no venom in him whatever. But he still
had to go somewhere else to get one hundred percent clarity,
(33:42):
you know what I mean that, Like, it wasn't as
simple as hey, we're able to in the moment here
sign off on this to the degree where we are
now putting you back on an island to go potentially
get infected or this or that the other. It's just
the health element again, I want to clarify the health
element again was anough. Okay, the gameplay element is not
(34:03):
what made them, but he did mention the gameplay element.
Like so, the fact that he mentioned on the podcast again,
which is why I consider the Jeff podcast sort of
appointment listening, is that he clarifies things either in the
moment like this or just in general on a broader
capacity that they never clarify on the show.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
For whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
There are just things that they almost never really clarify
on the show, you know, like that the binder that
they showed us here with something that you never really
hear clarified on the show. That was like the fact
that they did it on the show I thought was
like pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, I agree, I forget if it was.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, it's like I even heard like former players commenting
on how cool they thought it was that, you know,
people got a glimpse into this thing that they know about,
the players know about that was a part of their experience.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Well they I forget if it was on the show
or the podcast, but someone actually said that there is
a person there. And obviously, look, we know there are
people there, there's people holding the cameras, there's producers, but
that there's literally a person there to literally stop someone
from eating the wrong thing, grab it out of it,
like in addition to the binder, that there is also
(35:15):
a person there to stop them from you know, whether
it's for their protection or the nature's protection, they're just
there always doing that.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
They're lucky they got such great footage of that snake,
to be honest, right, Like there's a world in which
like somebody misses the snake on camera.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, and I know that they obviously had like connecting
shots and stuff, but also if need be, they do,
like I probably have like b roll of said snake,
and maybe that's some of what we saw.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Did we see it like in the context of like
being near Jake, I think so.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
I think I think so. I'm not saying they solely
had you.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
No, now you've got me thinking like was this just
be role that they had of like this kind of
a snake.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
My point is, like, you know, like so for instance,
like these guys are constantly going out and just get
amazing nature shots and whatnot of animals and sunsets and
this and then the other thing. I do not know
the degree to which they uphold the rule of like, off,
it wasn't shot in that day, you're not allowed to
er it. But I if I had to guess, like
if somebody's telling a story about how they like almost
(36:16):
got bit by a pragmantis or whatever but they didn't
capture it, then they can dig up both shot of
a pregmantis on a branch to show us beforehand, to
at least tell the viewers what a pregmantis looks like. Right,
So there's a little bit of that they had a
lot of you saw.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
How smart you know, you can see why Alex does
so well on Capitol Hill, like this moment where he
like goes and looks it up sees that it's extremely
venomous and deadly and like presents the information without like,
you know, in a way that's like honest but not alarmist.
I thought he just like handled things under pressure so well,
(36:52):
which bodes well for somebody in the game, like survivor.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, I mean, I look, I think that.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Again, it's hard to dissect whether it's the pegonging of
it or what it's you know, And and again sometimes
they go hand in hand because the narrative of having
survived the pagoging all often does well for people final
tribal wise and everything. But but Alex and Sophie here
are definitely like we have gotten a dramatically disproportionate look
at them in a myriad of circumstances. We've obviously they're
(37:17):
the only people we've seen at tribal left in the game.
We've heard them walk us through decisions this, that the
other thing, but we have not even seen a glimpse
of that from anyone else. So it is hard to
imagine anyone being relevant to this game other than these
two people.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
And we see that these two people are the kind
of people that often do well in the game, So
we'll see how that fits. I want to talk about
something that I don't think is a spoiler, but you
know the thing that you asked about. I'll just say this, like,
and you tell me if we can continue, Well, let.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Me let me say this. Well, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I'll tell you how it was handled on the live
are hap okay?
Speaker 1 (37:54):
So the thought crossed my mind and I asked you
and again, since this information seems to a degree readily
available on the interview, I know.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
What two people are on season fifty from this.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
And a lot of people listening to this stew and
a lot of people listening to this stew and I've
been trying to look and.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
That doesn't necessarily mean anything, but.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
And I've been trying to read through the tea leaves
of who does, because I don't know who's transparent about
does or doesn't. I was surprised when and so so
fast forward twenty second. If you do not want to
hear anything about Jake, Okay, Now, obviously Jake is no
longer on Survivor forty nine. We know why he got
bit by a snake. In recent seasons we have seen
(38:38):
Bruce is a great example. Bruce had to go home
because of a crazy injury. Again, that was another one
that like at the time, I was like, does he
really have to go home for this? And they brought
him back on the following season. Okay, So the thought
crossed my mind as I was watching this, Oh maybe Jake,
because look, when you hear two people from Survivor forty
(38:59):
nine or on.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Season fifty, we're all kind of annoyed.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
We're like, are these two spots that could have been
given to you know, Carolyn or whomever. How great are
these people going to be? And the thought crossed my mind, Oh,
maybe the mail from this season is Jake because of
the snake bite and YadA YadA. Now is that a
great place to bring him back? I'm fifty with a
bunch of like, you know, studs, and so maybe not.
But either way, the reason I asked and I wanted
(39:23):
you to clarify for me was for me that would
have actually put my mind at ease watching the rest
of the season. I was hoping it's just selfishly for
my enjoyment of forty nine. I was hoping the answer
was yes, Okay, you clarified for me. Now fast forward,
fast forward, if you want you clarified for me that
at least what you've heard is no, he is not okay.
(39:45):
So that then tells me, Okay, now I have to
keep watching Survivor forty nine wondering who is or whatever
and maybe having stuff spoiled for me. What I was
surprised by was Rob had the same thought, okay, And
I just listened to their live no at All or
live watch along party they did here at Tribeca down downtown,
which we forgot about but we really wanted to go.
(40:08):
And Rob actually predicted that he is brought back for
fifty because of this, and no one corrected him, no
one clarified, and I was surprised on too late.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Rob is claiming that he doesn't know who's on fifty.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, so I was surprised on two levels because this
was a him.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Either I know that that's not true.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Well, that's my thing is that because I've.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Heard him make jokes about who's like be like like
be funny insider and make jokes well again about somebody
going so many must not like I literally have heard
him say about one of the players that's on fifty, Oh,
like they must. I bet they must go out really
(40:51):
early and like make a kind of obvious joke about it.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Well, here's where maybe he's doing what I often do
with Challenge Mania, which is, you know, I, from time
to time will will know stuff that happens in a season.
But there's absolutely no fun listening to a podcaster or
talk about things where they just like know what happened.
So I watch every episode and I like make it
(41:16):
a point to like predict things based on what I
would have predicted based on what they're showing me. Right,
So sometimes that even means that I say things that
I know are wrong, because I do know that Scott
Yeager would have thought they were right had he not
been told that they were wrong.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Right, Maybe I'm totally wrong and he like really believed that,
But I don't buy it. It sounds like a very
purposeful inside joke he was making.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
But again I don't fault it if what he's doing
is just putting himself in this.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
But it's weird to like not do it across the board.
And I love Rob Well.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
I don't know what podcasts you're talking about where he
said what he said. Maybe that was yeah, so that's a.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Little different, But I'll just say that, like I when
watching this the thought popped into my head.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Oh, because I will say this.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Fifty or not, I could see them bringing Jake back
right now now that I know that it's not for fifty,
I can say that selfishly now for me as a
viewer of fifty, I'm glad he's not on fifty because
no offense, I don't need random guy.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I spent three weeks with Uah and.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Also like we've already seen Jonathan's coming back, like you know,
I need both of them.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
But either way, I found that interesting and I was,
you know, again, hoping that that that was the case,
but just for watching this. But but I've yeah, the
way Rob handled it, he was predicting that. So I
wonder if there's other people out there who watching this,
wonder if he's the guy who's brought back. But I'll
say I would not be shocked if he's brought back
for a future season in the next ten seasons or so, all.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Right that look, I'll be honest.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
This episode was really about the pre challenge snake bite,
the post challenge tribal uh and.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
We got the only other thing that I think, like
you know, we got from another tribe is we can
talk about that moment where Stage comes up to the
others and throws Savannah under the bus. There, you know
that we see like there's a clear four and that
there's two on the bottom here, and that that information
(43:32):
gets right back to Savannah, which I think is important
to note that Savannah is clearly in a position of
having trusted people around her.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Okay, the name you are searching for is Shannon, right, Shannon,
So again.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
This is like like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Everyone with the same name, Let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Not the season on a tribe where everywhere like you're
winning so clearly and you're like obviously going to go
into this with good numbers here, Like just stop throwing
people's names around, Like just don't throw people's names around
if you're like maybe not even going to go to
tribal council here, like you know, because I think there's
a world in which you go to the merge and
(44:18):
you can stay like a five tight or a six height,
but like I don't know, I just like I just
think there's like too much going on for a tribe
that like maybe isn't going to need to do this,
And that's how it starts to fall apart when you
get to the merge because you don't trust that everyone's
going to stay together.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
What I meant was like, for a season where there's
two Sophies, a Sage, a Savannah Shannon, you know, it's like,
I think that like that already is confusing. It always
takes a few weeks to kind of figure out who
everyone is, and that, coupled with the fact that all
of them are on these tribes that have not even
gone to tribal yet and we have gotten such little
extra time with them, has made it, in my opinion,
(44:56):
truly difficult to discern who is Shannon? Who is Sage?
Who is Sophie number two? I mean Sophie number two,
let's be on. I mean, like I still to this day,
Sage and Sophie number two I think are like the
same person. And then Savannah, I think is the one
who has sort of you know, I think gotten a
little extra time here. But all right, and then we
(45:17):
got a little innate in this episode. I was wondering,
I mean, it felt like we were we were setting
up maybe, and this is why I incorrectly predicted that
we were gonna have the Blue Tribe actually win. I
was doing that twofold one is like just the heavy
handedness of like, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
We're dedicating it to Jake and this and that. Whenever
I was like, are they really gonna after that? Are
they gonna depress this even more? And they did.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
And then also I thought we were getting a foreshadowing
of maybe MC going home here.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
So I thought we were getting a lot of MC
early on in the episode.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
And then you know, I ended up being for not,
but I thought maybe that she was someone I had
kind of in the back of my head thought about
going home here. I forget who I predicted going home.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Next week, but I did throw out Jake's name.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I threw out Jake's name.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
But then I then I went with didn't I go
for Jeremiah going home?
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Or if it was someone not on that tribe, I
went with Jason.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Who you didn't Seeeremiah? You said, Jason? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Well no, I but I picked one on the Blue
tribe because I said, I think we are getting blue again. Yeah, no,
I I think I yeah, Or maybe I said Jake
or Jeremiah I one of the guys who went home
on Blue.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
I definitely said their name last week.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
All right, So this week we're getting a swap, hopefully
a two tribe swap. Hopefully, you know, greener pastures are
upon us and we can starting next week talk about
a show that's good.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
So all right, everybody, have a great weekend. We'll see
you next week
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