March 22, 2025 • 42 mins
Scott and Lindsay break down Episode 4 of Survivor 48.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
What's up everybody? Scott and Lindsay here for another edition
of Survivor MANI. That's right, we want to make sure
we got up and running a podcast, a breakdown this
week's bonkers episode four of Survivor season forty eight, and
not gonna lie. Next week's might come at a bit
of a delay because we're taking a little bit of
a trip that we'll get into. But Lindsay, how you
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doing this?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Pure chaos around here.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
The fact that we are recording a podcast today, one
day before our Grand Disney vacation is a testament to
how much we care about this show.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, everyone listening to this who also cares about the
challenges saying, what are you talking about? Scott has not
dropped a challenge podcast this week, and that's what we
paid for. So you're kind of throwing me under the
bus there, But no, it's good to have you here,
you know, beating the drama of the Survivor maniacs, making
sure that we get something in the can because yes,
disclosure Ton going on Brock's birthday week. Yesterday, March twentieth,
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was brock sixth birthday. We decided to celebrate not just
by going to the Bronx Zoo on Tuesday with the
three kids we have, and not just by going to
the American Dream Mall. Baby does the role the American
Dream Mall, which if you guys haven't been to in
New Jersey, it's a gigantic mall that has ski slopes
and amusement parks and aquariums and whatnot. That's what we
did yesterday. We had the pre sale for Atlanta yesterday,
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which the VIP has sold out. Shouts to you guys,
but tickets are still on sale Charles many Dell Live
for Atlanta. And then tomorrow we are going back to Yes.
I know this is going to sound super cringe because
we went a year ago Disney World. So the good
news for you Disney maniacs is we should have some
new disney Mania podcasts for you later in the year.
But yes, we are taking the plunge.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I don't know whether people will be excited for us
or feel sorry for us that we're going to Disney
with a four month old baby.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well some people might remember that it was the week
we got back from Disney last year that we found
out we were pregnant with now baby Charlotte.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Knock gonna have in this time.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
And this actually honestly among Disney trips. Not to go
too much into Disney talk before we get into Survivor here,
but let's be honest, this trip is going to feel
like being on Survivor. If I had to guess, most
of our Disney trips we planned months, if not a
year in advance, so we you know, do all the
you know, Disney food blog watching and the podcasting and
oh what are we gonna eat? And this and that
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and this one we booked. I just looked. I mean,
we booked a I just looked because I was just
on the phone with Delta for several hours because they
screwed me overday was January twenty ninth, is when we
booked these flights, So like six weeks ago is when
we decided, Hey, we're going to Disney World again, a
year after we went the last time. And so yeah,
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we're doing that. We're doing the damn thing. So we're
gonna be gone for a week, so I guess this
is a discretionary thing, which, by the way, so just
first and foremost probably gonna be light on the podcasting
for the next week. But I promise when we get
back we will make it up to you, and I
will make it up to you. I'm specifically talking about
me now, by the way, because I know we've been
light with the Challenge podcast, but got some great guests
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on tap that sadly just didn't work out with their
availability and my availability. As they just mentioned, we had
a ton of stuff going on this week, so my
availability was kind of limited. Tonight, I'm going to see
Disturbed and three Days Grace and seven Dust at MSG
no big deal, which I've had for full disclosure, I've
had those plans longer than we had our Disney plans.
So like literally when we planned our Disney trip and
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it was like, when do we go when we come back?
Because our son and daughter have two weeks of spring
break by the way, for those guys who don't know
they're doing two weeks in a row now by the
way of this stuff, we yeah, when do we go
when we come back? I said, Hey, can we leave
on the Saturday? That way I can still go to
see Disturbed. They're playing the whole Sickness album straight through.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I care about it that I will be packing by
myself for five people tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well, you know, to that all I have to say
is and only the disturbed heads will know what that means.
But all this to say, thank you guys for sticking
with us. Been a crazy week here will be a
crazy week next week for us, but we will come back.
We will come back with the you know, the energy
in tow. And also we should say when we come back,
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we have Brock's birthday party. As if that trip isn't
a birthday party enough, I said.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I said to to Brock, do you want to go
to Disney for your sixth birthday? Pretty cool? Or do
you want to have a birthday party? And he said,
I want to go on a trip to Disney World.
I said, great, you booked the trip to Disney World.
Scotch goes, well, we're still going to have the party, right,
I know that was the point of the trip to Disney.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Hear me out here, survivor Mania. Actually tell me if
you agree, a the party is like as much for
us as it is for him. Okay. But also also
what I will say is it's his first year in kindergarten.
We've you know, we've gone to a couple of his
classmates parties already. I feel like it's a you know
in the first you know, there are only so many
times you actually hang out with the kids outside of
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the classroom, you know, and I feel like it's fun
to and especially we live near the school, so I think,
and you know, we're doing it outside. Everything says that,
you know, I don't know. I think it would be
we would be remiss, as they say, tonight.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Into the bank account Scott, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
No, obviously. Well and that brings me to thank you
all for continuing to support us here challengemaniacs dot com
and anyway you do support us, whether it's buying tickets
or merch or being a patron or signing up for
pre sales or whatever you guys do, we appreciate you.
So let's talk some Survivor this week. Last week pretty
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crazy episode, This week even crazier episode. You see the
pros and cons of the tribe realignments in that, you know,
I hate the whole Oh, we're just going to go
with the Green Tribe for three weeks in a row,
and it's going to be boring, boring, boring. Fine, and
then we get this realignment and the con of it
all is that, oh, we look at this supertribe at
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least from a character perspective, although on a competition perspective
you would think they'd be pretty strong as well. They
end up losing, and then you're looking at these five
people going, man, it sucks to have to lose any
of these five people. Who's it going to be? And
then it ends up being one of the ones you
probably wouldn't have wanted to lose, But in very theatrical fashion,
a great sort of you know, idle play, a great
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usage of you know, you know, misdirecting their alliance, down
playing how much they be working together. And as much
as you hate to see him go, I think this
is all that you want from a Survivor tribe.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yes, this is as a viewer and no offense, Thomas,
This was a fun way to.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Watch this play out.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, and look I think I will say, you know,
this is like you can't have your cake and eat
it too. And for me, I do think that Survivor
can get pretty boring when a the tribe you know
is going to lose just keeps losing, and then systematically
just people from that tribe end up going home one
after and you have all these characters that you sort
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of like and enjoy more, but there existing on the
periphery because they're winning, and thus you're not getting much
of them. Because they're not losing, they're not going to
tribal This is the flip side of that. You know,
I think this was great. You got to see Kyle
in action. You know, you got to see all these guys.
You know, you got to see this alliance that we loved,
obviously the California Girls, but you get to see them
get blindsided, right and Thomas of course, someone who you
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would love to see continue on in the game, going home.
That's sort of like what's great about Survivor is almost
like what and this is going to be a crazy
analogy to make, but what was great at one point
about shows like twenty four and more recently Game of
Thrones is that they established that at any point anyone
could get picked off, right, and that like, you know,
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you're watching some movies, you're watching some shows, and some
people sort of have main character energy or literally are
the main characters, and after a while you realize, hey,
James Bond and Batman are probably not going to die, right.
Whereas like reality shows in particular, but also some script shows,
occasionally they can have that you never know what's going
to happen energy, where people with main character vibes can
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get picked off and you go, oh, I guess they
were just a supporting character. This was one of those
weeks where no matter who went home.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
For the most part, I did call this for Thomas.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Though, if we have to pinpoint where Thomas went wrong here,
I think it goes back to his decision to lie
to his tribe in such an outrageous fashion about the
journey that he went on.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, why did you say that?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Because I talked about this last week that.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So it's one thing to lie and say like I
won or lost right differently than what actually happened. That's
like the simplest way to lie and the correct way
to lie on Survivor, Whereas Thomas went out of his
way to lie about the whole thing and to say
that he had the option of whether or not to
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play or not play right, and so he it was
such a checkable lie, like as soon as they swapped
or merged, he was going someone was going to cross
analyze that with the information they had from their person
on their tribe and be able to assure someone that
Thomas is caught in a lie. It's facts, and so
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I didn't understand.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I wholeheartedly agree with you in general. And had he
made it past this tribal, yes, that could have could
have been something used against him going forward. One thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Well, so here here's why I think this was his
downfall because when they're deciding who when when it comes
down to Camilla and Kyle right deciding which of the
three California guys they're girls, they're voting out, they had
already pinned information on Thomas, thus, you know, degrading that
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relationship moving forward with Thomas. So he was the easy
one to get out because now let's say there's another swap,
there's a merge, they can still have that bond with
Shaheen and with.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Firefighter Joe Joe.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Because you know, they they could say, like, you know,
we knew he was lying and we went with him.
We still want to work with you guys moving forward,
and they can still keep somewhat of a relationship with
those gentlemen. And Thomas is the easy one to vote
out here because they had already tried to throw Thomas
under the bus because of the information they had on
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the line.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
So I personally.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Plus it shows that Thomas is playing hard, right, and
he's willing to lie. And so I think that that
was why Thomas was pinpointed as the one of those
three to get the boot here from Kyle and Camilla.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Interesting, okay, I okay, yeah, that I didn't think of that. So,
and to be honest with you, that's right here. Well,
I wonder if that's the case and that was the thinking?
Is that actually wrong? Because knowing that you have that
sort of hey, we can use this against him, does
it make more sense to get out a Shaheen here
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or a Joe knowing that you still have the ace
in the hole playing the Thomas thing against him? Right? Like? Like?
Was that the wrong move? See? I wondered, I wondered.
So it was clearly outed in this episode that that's
the mistake you make while lying, because when there's a
swap or emerge, other people who have the same experience
can either intentionally or unintentionally let the cat out of
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the bag that you're lying.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Okay, And that's why we have you here, Scott. Well,
we're making me reconsider my thoughts here.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Right, And so I wonder was it I mean, maybe
it was that as you're saying, and that could be true,
but I wondered is that short sighted? Because it's like,
is that something you could still cling on to? Whereas
the Joe and Shaheen they are very well liked. However,
now you're in a try before and now it's.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Just wrong for right And so if there is, you know,
like some goodwill here, you know, we decided not to
you know, we really like you guys.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
We want to keep working with you guys.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
The reason we went after Thomas, you know, obviously we
had to go up to someone and we found out
he was had lied to you all. We felt like
it was, you know, a way for us all to
move forward together.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I do think there's something there.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Let's get to some questions. We got quite a few
this week. Stephen says, what a top tier social play
by Camilla and Kyle, especially Camilla. Do you think they've
played their hand too early and should have had Camilla
vote for Kyle to keep their alliance hidden? Was Thomas
the right move? So two part question there, one I.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Mean interesting, So wait, who gave us this question?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
This is Stephen?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
So Stephen, this is some next level survivor ing here. Yes,
that's very interesting. So act like Kyle had the the
idol used it on his own without Stephen.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
By the way, I should say, let me just say
about Steven. Steven was in Milwaukee and he did say
big Survivor Mania fan wanted me to relay that to you.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Thanks Stephen. I'm a big fan of yours. Thank you.
I think that's really interesting, Stephen.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Could they have kept up this facade even more of
being willing to turn on each other because they knew
they had the idol anyways, and if they guessed right
the problem here.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Steve, Yeah, that's yeah, honestly, I.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Mean it could have been an interesting play if they
were willing to take the risk. The problem was they
played it a little safer than that because had it
come down to they had decided to split the votes,
yes and put a vote on Camilla as well, or
they got it wrong right and that the votes, you know,
like they would put the majority of the votes on Camilla,
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maybe in one on Kyle or.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I personally think I think it's like this. I think
it's as simple as this. Yes, that's a that's a
killer move if you have the like voting flexibility and
you have the utmost certainty of who they're putting the
votes on. But to me, I think what you have
to do is in this instance, like let's say they
guess wrong. Right, Let's say they guess wrong, and let's
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say they had thrown I mean, I guess it doesn't
really matter because if they had thrown three on Camilla,
Camilla still goes home. But let's say they guess wrong
and they had split it. Right, Am I right in
saying that had they split it and put the two
on Camilla, now they get a tie and then do
they come out of a tie break scenario. I don't
know where the math goes. All I'm saying is that
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it's tight enough where I think you just you put
both of them on who you want out in my opinion,
because in essence, I.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Think they do have the extra vote.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
But if they're like trying to play the move where
they're not working together, right, like, let's say kind of.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
They did not use it, they did not use the
extra right, but it would.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Have to be like him also using the extra vote.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
To me, I'll be honest, like right now, like now
that it's two and two, to me, it doesn't matter
that the other guys know that they're working together.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Right, Like as soon as they merge, right, people are
that's like an easy lie to check as well.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
But it's not even that. It's like, I mean they're
not going to merge next week, right, Like this is
going to be a tribe of four, Like, are you
really trying to now? Actually you made your big move.
You're both safe. You play the idol, Thomas is gone.
There's going to be like a new social alignment, and
like you really want to have to be like now
still slow playing some really we're not working together. That
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just happened. Bullshit. No, you want to be like take it.
You want to like.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Own the move now, you know, I think there's a
move there because if they're still playing that they're willing
to get rid of each other. Right If Camilla is
like still playing that she's willing to get rid of Kyle,
if that's her only option, you could conceivably say, like
let's all vote for you know, like I'm with you
whatever they think. You know, they tell you what to do,
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but maybe they try to split it a little bit
in case and put one on you, and you know
you're able if they think that you are putting your
vote on someone.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
But yeah, I think I agree. I think that it
was like most suitable for something, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Like like definitely, look, is it possible they could have
threaten the needle and done this a thousand percent? Stephen,
You're right, and like if they had done it, where
we'd be talking about wow, like what expert level survivor play.
But that to me is like the did you do
you need to do it? No, I don't think you
go back.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
So going back to the idea that they continue this
this charade here of not being a say, like I
do think I don't know how obvious it was at
their old camp, Like I know they were in bigger
alliances that included the two of them, But if they're
in general able to look like they'd be willing to
throw each other under the bus, they're not each other's
number ones. Like I do think that that is something
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you could keep up, you know, to some degree, like
you could still be like we were friends, we were
a lying but like when push come to push came
to shove, like I wasn't gonna like throw my game
out out the window for him.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
So like, you know, I do think.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
That if they can keep that up and at least look,
continue to look and you see the way they I
just I want to focus on how well they work together.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
They had the tribe.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
The Tribe was like a masterclass in I know, we're.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Getting it and the moment they like the way they
were able to be like you know, throw it out
there that like, oh, like you know, I thought we
were cool, but like.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Clearly, can I just also say this? I mean, I
know we don't see the whole thing, and I know
they edit out, like you know, stuff that doesn't matter,
but like, can I just give best Supporting Actor to
Jeff because like I know that I know that, yes,
this is probably not a fair assessment of the entire thing,
and he's probably doing this for everyone and what we're
seeing is a smash cut of what is relevant to
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the episode. But that being said, let me just say, Jeff,
what we saw was you making it making me feel
as a viewer like you also thought, Okay, I mean
this is like one of them is going home, right,
I mean, like come on, like this is just like
should we just kind of like, you know, let's get
down to brass tax here. I mean, it's basically it's
Camilla where it's Kyle, right, Like should I just give
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them both ample time to say goodbye? Like this is
probably what it is, right, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
They might have asked everybody like if this.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
And one hundred percent I do think that's the case,
don't get me wrong, But my point was is that like,
like I know that this is this is where I
find like it's it's so interesting to know, like obviously
the producers Jeff is a producer, know who has an idol,
who might play an idol, et cetera. Right, obviously they
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don't know who everyone's going to vote for. They have
a certain idea, but they don't know because it hasn't
happened yet. Okay, And like I will say that that
Jeff almost like the confidence in which he's just kind
of like, yeah, it's this or this or this. It's semantics.
It's kind of like, all right, I should we just
vote then? Which probably vote? You know, like these guys,
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I will say, to have the confidence to put all
three on Kyle and not throw like at what point,
Like here's math, here's my math question to you. Okay,
is it the fear of a steal a vote? Is
it the fear of an extra vote? Is it the
fear of something like that? What mathematical reason do you
have to throw all three on Kyle?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Well, because why would it have mattered?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Well, because clearly.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
If the two of them voted together.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Well, but if they've done a good enough job lying,
we don't think that that's the case, right, We think that, hypothetically, hypothetically,
if these two actually believe the charade they're putting on,
which is that it's down to the two of them,
that they should hypothetically be voting for each other, right, hypothetically, right,
So in the event that something is played right to
leave someone else on the table, what reason would you
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not have to throw one vote on someone else, especially
the other person here, which would be Camilla. So I'm
just wondering, like, you know, like the amount of confidence
it has to have sometimes for one of these like
ultimate blinds, we're literally not one vote is on anyone
other than the person who plays the idol, Like that's
like an Oscar winning performance.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
But I also think, like, let's also give them their
due for figuring out that even though they weren't telling
them that that the vote was going to go on,
even though they were telling both of them that they
were safe and that they were voting for the other person.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
That they were able to suss out which.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
One they were lying to and which one they were
telling the truth to. That is bold, like they guessed
it really. I know they had a fifty to fifty
chance here regardless, but you know, they snuffed out Camilla
was able to be like I think, I think theyre
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actually are telling me the truth and they're lying to you.
And Kyle agreed with her and there was no argument
there there And just like to go back to that point,
like the quickness with which they have these conversations.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
They're on the same page.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
They get down to business, they figure out like they're
two similar players. They're they're both really good strategists. They
seem like both really like lovely people to be around.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I just love this duo so much. I hope this
duo goes far.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I cannot wait to see them like pull off more
moves like this and work together. I do think this
is like you know, when Jeff talked about the duo,
like to me, this is I know we have the
Joe you know, uh one where with Evois like you know,
looking out for her and that's lovely. But as far
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as like watching gameplay, this is an exciting duo to
watch play this game.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
And we've heard this whole time. This is the season
of duos, right, and like, well, we'll decide after the
season whether that's like the most overhyped statement or not.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
But I certainly refer to it often.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yes, Yeah, Now let's go to the second part of
Stephen's question. Was Thomas the right move? So we talked
about it a little bit in the preamble. Thomas having that,
you know, the baggage of having lied, could that better
be used later in the game, or was this reason
to cut bait with him? I think right now I'm
willing to say that at worst, like he was, he
was not the wrong move, you know, like could you
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could you you know, advocate for because of everything I said,
maybe going for someone else is it is a little
bit of that loaded with the fact that hey, like
probably in a little bit of reverse engineering some of
this edgic here. It's like some of these guys maybe
have more threat energy to them because we just lost Thomas,
Like you know what I mean, So I have to
kind of put myself in the shoes of someone who's
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not watching the show play out because maybe the reason
I'm fearing Shaheen as a winner threat more than Thomas
is because in fact he is because Thomas goes out
in episode four here. So I would say right now,
between Joe, Shaheen, and Thomas, they really couldn't go wrong.
The main win was to come out of this both
of you left in the game, which they did. And
I think Thomas is a fine choice. So you know,
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I don't think he was the wrong move. I don't
necessarily think he was the most right.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I think it's the right move. If they want to
move forward with these guys in some way.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Well, I think there aren't. Regardless like it or not,
this tribe is moving forward.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
No, but I mean working with them like in the future. Yeah,
and I more options.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I'm building trust with them, Like I do think this
was the right move for them.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, all right, let's get to the next question here
from Jordan. Just caught up on the Last Survivor Mania,
Scott said he was entertained but wasn't really rooting for anyone.
I agree as well, good season so far, but I
have no particular rooting interest. Still feel that way seems
to happen to me every three or four seasons.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
No, no.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Change that right. Well I was going to agree, but
go ahead, you know, No.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
It's your question. He asked you. You made the statement.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
No, you say what you say it, I'll concur or not.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I think that this changed it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I think when you see, you know, someone who's in
an underdog situation make a great move, it's really hard not.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
To root for for that person or those people.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, I think that this episode definitely turned here. Here's
what I'll say.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
There's a difference between like Mary, friends like and I
do like Mary, but there's a difference between Mary who's
like gotten out of being on the bottom, not so
much by her own moves, but more by other people
making the decision, you know, to play harder, and so
I can't really like give her the credit for that,
whereas a situation like this, I give them the credit
(24:21):
for getting them out of this situation.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Let me just say this also, so I know I'm
a broken record here. The reason I hate seasons starting
the way that they did with that this did, and
that some do often do with one tribe just going
back to back to back to back to tribal is
that the reason you become attached to people and really
start to root for them is yes, watching them, you know,
(24:44):
make big moves like we just saw, watching people have
their backs against the wall, getting to think about what
it would be like to have these people remove from
the game, which is why, like this week, I realized, oh, like,
I like all these people. You know, when I look
at it, I go, man, it would suck to lose
Joe here. I would I want to see how this
plays out with him and Eva I would suck. It
(25:06):
would suck to lu shaheen here. I just like him overall.
Like I said, he's a cross between big Brother Paul
and the war Dog you know, funny story here, this
is awkward. My name also war Dog. And then Thomas
as well. We like Thomas, we love the whole alliance.
And then Kyle and even Camilla, who I'll be honest,
I felt like the edit had been pretty light on Camilla.
I have Camilla in our draft and one of our drafts.
(25:26):
I'm still three for three in the game here. I
know you're out. You've been snuffed completely right in that league, right,
I believe? Correct?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
No, not at all?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Okay, maybe no, you lost Okay, you just lost Kevin. Okay,
So I have Bianca, Mary and Camilla, And I'll be honest,
I had felt like so far the season had been
light on Camilla, But if I'm splitting hairs here, the
season has been pretty light on most people because of
the way the season started. So now that we get
all five of these people on the chopping block, it
does shine a light on who you do actually care about.
(25:56):
So I can say now, for instance, that coming out
of this, it's hard not to rooting for Kyle and Camilla,
both together and separately. Right Like, I think this was
a This was I think, by far the best like
character building and loyalty building from a viewers standpoint episode
for anybody. I think so far no offense, but like,
even though Say had been the tribal and Cedric had
(26:16):
been to Tribal as many times as they had been,
I don't know that they were making fans every week
they were sticking around, Whereas I do think Kyle and
Camilla with this move making a big move, I do
think that they earned a lot of loyalty from a
fans perspective. But I'll say that even though they were
on the opposite side of this. It made me realize
I'm also rooting for Joe. I'm also also rooting for Shaheen.
(26:36):
Let me ask you about somebody who wasn't a part
of this tribal but I don't know if you noticed, Lindsay,
but social media has sort of turned on her. Eva
is it Eva or Eva? It's Eva? Right?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
If we had this conversation before, you'd think we'd have
paid attention.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
To the call of the big e. Right, so the
big ee have you?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Have you noticed the fact that she's aligning with the
one man on her tribe again?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Well, I think that, yeah, I've noticed. Well here's I
was going to go broader with it that the Internet
not necessarily rooting for her.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, I because because of that, because of her, because
of the.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Fact that she tends towards men, to work with men. Yeah,
you know, I think we should.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I think I think like the the idea of representation
here and how she's been really open about her autism
here should make it so that people are more empathetic
to maybe not thinking that maybe this person, you know,
has reasons to think a little differently so in her experience,
(27:42):
you know, maybe it's easier for her to relate on
that level than with you know, neurotypical females for whatever reason,
you know. And so I am usually someone who get
it is disappointed when women don't, you know, I want
to build each.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Other up and stick together.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
But I think we have a little bit more context
here we should use it and not not make a
negative assumption.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Can we make an exception for the hockey playing woman though, like,
come on right? Like I feel like, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
That's who she's, that's who, you know, Like we have
the context to know that she's grown up in a
world where those are the people that she has been around,
and there's like a reason for her comfort level here, and.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I felt that, I will say, I still I'm getting
kind of winnerish vibes from her. I don't know, I
am so, but we'll see. And then, you know, obviously
so much being made of her and Joe separating. Obviously,
now will they come back together in the merge? I
think we are kind of setting it up for that,
so it should be interesting. I hope this tribe doesn't
go back to tribal I will say, because I don't
(28:49):
know who we would lose from the four here next
question goes to Matt. Matt says, hey, Scott and lindsay,
pretty crazy tribal two times in a row. This season
is delivering him. I right, anyway, did you both also
get a sixth sense of pleasure watching Thomas getting kicked
out after spouting all the crap about being thankful for
even being there? Now, Don't get me wrong, I do
(29:09):
think everyone is thankful for just being cast on the show.
But when you're being voted out by everyone else having
your dreams and prematurely, I don't think being thankful if
on your mind that in that moment interesting, I don't know.
I mean, I didn't get any sort of sick satisfaction
watching Thomas get voted out here, So I don't necessarily agree, Matt.
(29:33):
I mean that could be for you and you can
have that. But yeah, I mean I do think this was,
you know, definitely a blind side in that. I do
think that that group had a uh, you know, I
don't know that they were necessarily processing things now. I
don't know if now, I'll be honest, I.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Don't know if this, I mean, what about like this
finish well?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I don't know if this quote is coming from his
exit interview, like after he's already been voted out, because
I'll be honest, I don't have any in front of me.
If that's the case, then everything I'm saying now is
null and void. But I will say it goes back
to the sheer, like, really, how awesome this Idol play was?
Is that I do think all three guys who were there,
all throwing their votes on Kyle were Let's not take
(30:15):
everything they're saying, like, let's kind of take it with
a grain of salt, because I feel like they might
have been speaking from a very pretentious kind of like, hey,
we know we're sticking around here, and you know, blah
blah blah. Right, Like I always wonder, you know, you
can kind of always hear the music turn and this
and that when someone's getting like their kind of exit monologue,
and sometimes that's a red herring and they're giving the
exit monologue because someone else is going home, but like
clearly in that moment, that person thinks they're going home, right,
(30:38):
And my point is that I don't think in this
moment that Thomas or Shaheen or Joe thought they were
going home. So like everything they're saying, I do think
is probably coming through that lens of like, oh what
do I say here to kind of sound like I'm humble?
But also I know we dominated this one, didn't we? Girls?
You know?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah? I mean did you? Did you?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Though, on a different note, get satisfaction from the fact
that they came into the challenge super confident and spouting
all sorts of things about how you know they were
going to break the streak and knew they were going
to win, Like was that was that?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
To see that they then did not do that?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Well, I'll say that again, I internalize everything at all.
It always comes back to like who I kind of
want to go home or not go home and whatnot.
But I will say that in a vacuum, I do
like seeing the team that on the surface doesn't look
like the weakest team losing like that is interesting to me, right,
whether it's them being cocky about it or even me,
(31:40):
Like when I saw how these teams were laid out
like this looked like a strong team, right, did it not? So?
So my point is.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
That, I mean, they have like three of the four
biggest guys.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
It's it's fun. Now. They did get the weakest They
did get the weakest camp at the weakest beach, right, So.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Oh, I was going to ask you about that, like
how does that like make a case for how much
like there is is variability to the camps.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And you know, I've.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Heard players kind of mentioned this too, that there's like
a clear advantage to certain sites that you can get and.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, it's talking about all the food.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
That he provided and that if you're hungry, that you're
you're plenty, that you're not doing enough because there's plenty
of food, like, but maybe that's because you know, he
got lucky and what locations he was in.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So I will say that there are there is some
variability in location that is like natural, right, like this
one has more trees that you know have riper coconuts
or whatever and blah blah blah. Right, And people who
have played multiple times have even like mentioned this, and
(32:43):
like you know, since they do film and PG over
and over again, like you know, the people who have
played multiple times, like they actually they are smart enough
to know. And some of these people have actually gone
back and visited. I don't know if you've know this,
but some of these Survivor players have gone back and
like visited the islands and is not whatever, And so
there is I think a variability just if no one
even set foot on any of these locations, which one
(33:03):
you would pick right blindly, Okay, But then they got
they got the beach from the tribe that had never won, right,
So they had never won, and they had never reaped
the benefits of having won, and so it was not
set up as nicely as the tribes who had been skating.
Those tribes that had been skating were populated by the
people who now have to set foot on this beach.
(33:24):
That sucks because they were losing to the people who
are now populating this thing. So there is something like
poetic and ironic about that. But I find that to
be sort of the way the cookie crumbles, you know.
And I will say it's kind of fitting here. I mean,
you've seen it where it's been you know, triple awful,
where it's like the bad people get sent back to
(33:44):
the bad beach with more bad people. You know, this
at least was a little bit sort of fifty to fifty,
you know, strong tribe, weak beach. But yeah, so in
a vacuum, Yeah, it's more interesting to me that the
strongest on the surface tribe went to tribal, but then
selfishly he was filled with people that I enjoyed. So
if I had to pick, I would still have it
(34:05):
go this way because I do think it made for
more interesting. This is to me the most interesting episode
of the season. So next EP is Trevor. Trevor says,
first Challenge Mania hat sellout and now Thomas has voted off.
What a rough week for me? Lol, Well, Trevor, the
hats may have sold out temporarily, but they will be
back to me. Thomas feels like the first truly robbed
(34:27):
potential great of the New era. Question, what's the David angle?
They show his interactions all the time, and Survivor seems
to always give large edits to male winners. So if
he isn't winning, why is he getting so much screen
time outside of his very engaging narration.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
So we've got a little confused the narrative about his girlfriend.
He keeps referring to her as his girlfriend, but then
this last episode said that she broke up with him
right before because of money issues, So is that the
case or they do they then get back together? Is
(35:04):
it actually his girlfriend when he says his girlfriend or
does he mean his ex girlfriend? That he's trying to
win back over a little confused there, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I wonder is it that he's hoping to win the
money back to then win her back?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
And also you probably can't refer to her as your girlfriend?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah yeah, right, right, right right. No, it was interesting.
I will say I wondered if I had like only
half been paying attention because to me, it sounded like
she broke up with him and then he was still
referring to her in the present tense as if they
were a thing. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Continue to probably, like.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I understand that money is a real thing, and like
having a family requires money, and and you know, I
get it as somebody as an adult now who has
to deal with.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
You know, raising a big family.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
And but I do think she's I do think she's
probably getting a lot of backlash for him sharing this information.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Where she's getting this backlash like in her private circles
or like.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Maybe one out in the private circle.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
People found people have found this woman on Twitter and Reddit,
and I don't know they called her employer. Do you know,
you have a.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
It doesn't matter if they're like finding her, you know,
if she's seeing it.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
But I wonder what I will say, is I do think,
and this might be what you're onto Trevor, is that
it appeared at first like David might be getting this
sort of duncey jock edit, and it does seem like
he's getting something a little bit more evolved than that. Right,
So it does seem like they want us to like
him a little bit more than you may have initially assumed. Right.
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah? I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
And I think the way that he you know, he
shared about having the sisters and working with women, sort
of like in the same way that Eva is getting
backlash for not wanting to work for men, I think
it probably makes him look, you know, getting some positive
feedback that he is happy to work with women.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Now let me ask you this speaking of women. All right,
So obviously, you know, alliances are in their truest form
when they're fully functional and you have every member. But
you know, it's not like the cookout was done the
minute the first person from the cookout was voted off. Now,
California girls, if I had to say, none of them
actually girls, but Thomas doing a lot of the like
(37:24):
i'd say heavy lifting. As far as making it appropriate
that they went by that name. Are Joe and Shaheen
going to continue to go by the California Girls? Sans Thomas?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
What do you think what changes it?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I think having a gay guy in there makes it
like I think, two straight guys at a gay guy.
California Girls brilliant, chef's kiss amazing. Then then Thomas has gone.
Are Joe Jaheen really gonna be like a right California
girls meating? Come? Come on buying the tree? You with me?
A couple of girls talking, Let's do it?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, you know that's what I want to do. I
don't think that that changes anything. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
But there's still just still too girls one beach, right,
that's what you're saying. Doesn't change the day. Okay, we'll see,
we'll see. I predict the California Girls are no more.
That's what that's my prediction.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
As in that you don't think the Nay entitle or
in actual alliance.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I don't think. Well, I think they'll still work together, fine,
but I don't know that they're still going to call
themselves the.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
California I disagree.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
I don't think that had anything to do with why
they called themselves the California.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Okay, we'll find out. I don't know, all right, fine, okay,
really all right. Next question comes from Diana. Diana says,
if Voula goes back to tribal, do you think they
would go to Rocks with a two to two tie?
Camilla and Kyle gave away their cover of not working together,
so I don't know if they would flip now that
it's two to two. So yeah, what do you think
(38:48):
would they go to Rocks or would they would somebody
turn here?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Well, they still have the extra vote, so I don't
think it would ever come down.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Oh good point there. Did you think about that, Diana?
Extra vote? And to now Thomas also goes home with
an extra vote in his pocket? Correct or did he
not have it? Did he not have it? No?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
He oh right, you're saying, but no, because he didn't
lose his vote.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
No, No, I'm just saying I'm just yeah, yeah, no,
I'm just saying it's interesting that he and those are
non transferable, I believe, right.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
So the two people that got so the three people,
so the two people that got it so one lost
their vote justin we saw him go home, and now
Thomas got one. We saw him go home, and so
there's only one left here in that technically, I mean,
(39:49):
like I assume that Kyle gave it immediately back to
Camilla here.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Right, Yeah, so I think they're in good they're in
good shape. If it does go back to A two two,
they clearly have of the two two, they clearly have
the advantage there. All right, So interesting episode here. Do
you have any predictions going to the next episode. I
think we're going to keep this tribe alignment for a while.
I don't think we're going to emerge next week. So
I'm gonna predict I don't think this team comes in last.
(40:14):
I don't think this team loses next week. That's the
only great prediction I've got there. And uh, I'm gonna
say my prediction. I don't have any any merit to this,
but I am going to say Chrissy is going home
next that's my yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Now I'm gonna go with Star, Okay, all right, oh okay,
well all right now that you.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Okay, go a Star. We'll resume conversation about this at
a later date. But guys, thank you so much. If
any of you guys happen to be at disney World
and the variety of parks next week. Feel free to
say hello if you see us. I will say the
one guy who recognized me not last year, but several
years ago when we went at Epcot was it was
a thrill for me, So for me too. Yeah, So
(41:01):
if you do see us, say hi. And Disney Mania
will be coming soon. Survivor Mania will be back, probably
not next week. And I'm going to try to pump
out a child Lady podcast for you guys before heading
to the garden. So, Lindsey, any final words before we go?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
It's getting good?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
All right, there you go, It's getting good. I will
say the last two have been good, so digging this
season out of the gutter there, all right?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
And uh, Kimel is my new winter pick?
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Camilla your new winter pick? All right? Well that would
be good for me because I have her in the
in the draft, so I'm sticking with Eva. Kay. All right, guys,
have a good one. Appreciate you.
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Speaker 3 (42:06):
MHM.
What's up everybody? Scott and Lindsay here for another edition
of Survivor MANI. That's right, we want to make sure
we got up and running a podcast, a breakdown this
week's bonkers episode four of Survivor season forty eight, and
not gonna lie. Next week's might come at a bit
of a delay because we're taking a little bit of
a trip that we'll get into. But Lindsay, how you
(00:27):
doing this?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Pure chaos around here.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
The fact that we are recording a podcast today, one
day before our Grand Disney vacation is a testament to
how much we care about this show.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Well, everyone listening to this who also cares about the
challenges saying, what are you talking about? Scott has not
dropped a challenge podcast this week, and that's what we
paid for. So you're kind of throwing me under the
bus there, But no, it's good to have you here,
you know, beating the drama of the Survivor maniacs, making
sure that we get something in the can because yes,
disclosure Ton going on Brock's birthday week. Yesterday, March twentieth,
(01:05):
was brock sixth birthday. We decided to celebrate not just
by going to the Bronx Zoo on Tuesday with the
three kids we have, and not just by going to
the American Dream Mall. Baby does the role the American
Dream Mall, which if you guys haven't been to in
New Jersey, it's a gigantic mall that has ski slopes
and amusement parks and aquariums and whatnot. That's what we
did yesterday. We had the pre sale for Atlanta yesterday,
(01:26):
which the VIP has sold out. Shouts to you guys,
but tickets are still on sale Charles many Dell Live
for Atlanta. And then tomorrow we are going back to Yes.
I know this is going to sound super cringe because
we went a year ago Disney World. So the good
news for you Disney maniacs is we should have some
new disney Mania podcasts for you later in the year.
But yes, we are taking the plunge.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I don't know whether people will be excited for us
or feel sorry for us that we're going to Disney
with a four month old baby.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well some people might remember that it was the week
we got back from Disney last year that we found
out we were pregnant with now baby Charlotte.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Knock gonna have in this time.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
And this actually honestly among Disney trips. Not to go
too much into Disney talk before we get into Survivor here,
but let's be honest, this trip is going to feel
like being on Survivor. If I had to guess, most
of our Disney trips we planned months, if not a
year in advance, so we you know, do all the
you know, Disney food blog watching and the podcasting and
oh what are we gonna eat? And this and that
(02:24):
and this one we booked. I just looked. I mean,
we booked a I just looked because I was just
on the phone with Delta for several hours because they
screwed me overday was January twenty ninth, is when we
booked these flights, So like six weeks ago is when
we decided, Hey, we're going to Disney World again, a
year after we went the last time. And so yeah,
(02:46):
we're doing that. We're doing the damn thing. So we're
gonna be gone for a week, so I guess this
is a discretionary thing, which, by the way, so just
first and foremost probably gonna be light on the podcasting
for the next week. But I promise when we get
back we will make it up to you, and I
will make it up to you. I'm specifically talking about
me now, by the way, because I know we've been
light with the Challenge podcast, but got some great guests
(03:08):
on tap that sadly just didn't work out with their
availability and my availability. As they just mentioned, we had
a ton of stuff going on this week, so my
availability was kind of limited. Tonight, I'm going to see
Disturbed and three Days Grace and seven Dust at MSG
no big deal, which I've had for full disclosure, I've
had those plans longer than we had our Disney plans.
So like literally when we planned our Disney trip and
(03:29):
it was like, when do we go when we come back?
Because our son and daughter have two weeks of spring
break by the way, for those guys who don't know
they're doing two weeks in a row now by the
way of this stuff, we yeah, when do we go
when we come back? I said, Hey, can we leave
on the Saturday? That way I can still go to
see Disturbed. They're playing the whole Sickness album straight through.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I care about it that I will be packing by
myself for five people tonight.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well, you know, to that all I have to say
is and only the disturbed heads will know what that means.
But all this to say, thank you guys for sticking
with us. Been a crazy week here will be a
crazy week next week for us, but we will come back.
We will come back with the you know, the energy
in tow. And also we should say when we come back,
(04:16):
we have Brock's birthday party. As if that trip isn't
a birthday party enough, I said.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I said to to Brock, do you want to go
to Disney for your sixth birthday? Pretty cool? Or do
you want to have a birthday party? And he said,
I want to go on a trip to Disney World.
I said, great, you booked the trip to Disney World.
Scotch goes, well, we're still going to have the party, right,
I know that was the point of the trip to Disney.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Hear me out here, survivor Mania. Actually tell me if
you agree, a the party is like as much for
us as it is for him. Okay. But also also
what I will say is it's his first year in kindergarten.
We've you know, we've gone to a couple of his
classmates parties already. I feel like it's a you know
in the first you know, there are only so many
times you actually hang out with the kids outside of
(05:03):
the classroom, you know, and I feel like it's fun
to and especially we live near the school, so I think,
and you know, we're doing it outside. Everything says that,
you know, I don't know. I think it would be
we would be remiss, as they say, tonight.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Into the bank account Scott, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
No, obviously. Well and that brings me to thank you
all for continuing to support us here challengemaniacs dot com
and anyway you do support us, whether it's buying tickets
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pre sales or whatever you guys do, we appreciate you.
So let's talk some Survivor this week. Last week pretty
(05:41):
crazy episode, This week even crazier episode. You see the
pros and cons of the tribe realignments in that, you know,
I hate the whole Oh, we're just going to go
with the Green Tribe for three weeks in a row,
and it's going to be boring, boring, boring. Fine, and
then we get this realignment and the con of it
all is that, oh, we look at this supertribe at
(06:01):
least from a character perspective, although on a competition perspective
you would think they'd be pretty strong as well. They
end up losing, and then you're looking at these five
people going, man, it sucks to have to lose any
of these five people. Who's it going to be? And
then it ends up being one of the ones you
probably wouldn't have wanted to lose, But in very theatrical fashion,
a great sort of you know, idle play, a great
(06:23):
usage of you know, you know, misdirecting their alliance, down
playing how much they be working together. And as much
as you hate to see him go, I think this
is all that you want from a Survivor tribe.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yes, this is as a viewer and no offense, Thomas,
This was a fun way to.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Watch this play out.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, and look I think I will say, you know,
this is like you can't have your cake and eat
it too. And for me, I do think that Survivor
can get pretty boring when a the tribe you know
is going to lose just keeps losing, and then systematically
just people from that tribe end up going home one
after and you have all these characters that you sort
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of like and enjoy more, but there existing on the
periphery because they're winning, and thus you're not getting much
of them. Because they're not losing, they're not going to
tribal This is the flip side of that. You know,
I think this was great. You got to see Kyle
in action. You know, you got to see all these guys.
You know, you got to see this alliance that we loved,
obviously the California Girls, but you get to see them
get blindsided, right and Thomas of course, someone who you
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would love to see continue on in the game, going home.
That's sort of like what's great about Survivor is almost
like what and this is going to be a crazy
analogy to make, but what was great at one point
about shows like twenty four and more recently Game of
Thrones is that they established that at any point anyone
could get picked off, right, and that like, you know,
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you're watching some movies, you're watching some shows, and some
people sort of have main character energy or literally are
the main characters, and after a while you realize, hey,
James Bond and Batman are probably not going to die, right.
Whereas like reality shows in particular, but also some script shows,
occasionally they can have that you never know what's going
to happen energy, where people with main character vibes can
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get picked off and you go, oh, I guess they
were just a supporting character. This was one of those
weeks where no matter who went home.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
For the most part, I did call this for Thomas.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Though, if we have to pinpoint where Thomas went wrong here,
I think it goes back to his decision to lie
to his tribe in such an outrageous fashion about the
journey that he went on.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, why did you say that?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Because I talked about this last week that.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So it's one thing to lie and say like I
won or lost right differently than what actually happened. That's
like the simplest way to lie and the correct way
to lie on Survivor, Whereas Thomas went out of his
way to lie about the whole thing and to say
that he had the option of whether or not to
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play or not play right, and so he it was
such a checkable lie, like as soon as they swapped
or merged, he was going someone was going to cross
analyze that with the information they had from their person
on their tribe and be able to assure someone that
Thomas is caught in a lie. It's facts, and so
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I didn't understand.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I wholeheartedly agree with you in general. And had he
made it past this tribal, yes, that could have could
have been something used against him going forward. One thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Well, so here here's why I think this was his
downfall because when they're deciding who when when it comes
down to Camilla and Kyle right deciding which of the
three California guys they're girls, they're voting out, they had
already pinned information on Thomas, thus, you know, degrading that
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relationship moving forward with Thomas. So he was the easy
one to get out because now let's say there's another swap,
there's a merge, they can still have that bond with
Shaheen and with.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Firefighter Joe Joe.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Because you know, they they could say, like, you know,
we knew he was lying and we went with him.
We still want to work with you guys moving forward,
and they can still keep somewhat of a relationship with
those gentlemen. And Thomas is the easy one to vote
out here because they had already tried to throw Thomas
under the bus because of the information they had on
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the line.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
So I personally.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Plus it shows that Thomas is playing hard, right, and
he's willing to lie. And so I think that that
was why Thomas was pinpointed as the one of those
three to get the boot here from Kyle and Camilla.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Interesting, okay, I okay, yeah, that I didn't think of that. So,
and to be honest with you, that's right here. Well,
I wonder if that's the case and that was the thinking?
Is that actually wrong? Because knowing that you have that
sort of hey, we can use this against him, does
it make more sense to get out a Shaheen here
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or a Joe knowing that you still have the ace
in the hole playing the Thomas thing against him? Right? Like? Like?
Was that the wrong move? See? I wondered, I wondered.
So it was clearly outed in this episode that that's
the mistake you make while lying, because when there's a
swap or emerge, other people who have the same experience
can either intentionally or unintentionally let the cat out of
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the bag that you're lying.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Okay, And that's why we have you here, Scott. Well,
we're making me reconsider my thoughts here.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Right, And so I wonder was it I mean, maybe
it was that as you're saying, and that could be true,
but I wondered is that short sighted? Because it's like,
is that something you could still cling on to? Whereas
the Joe and Shaheen they are very well liked. However,
now you're in a try before and now it's.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Just wrong for right And so if there is, you know,
like some goodwill here, you know, we decided not to
you know, we really like you guys.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
We want to keep working with you guys.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
The reason we went after Thomas, you know, obviously we
had to go up to someone and we found out
he was had lied to you all. We felt like
it was, you know, a way for us all to
move forward together.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I do think there's something there.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Let's get to some questions. We got quite a few
this week. Stephen says, what a top tier social play
by Camilla and Kyle, especially Camilla. Do you think they've
played their hand too early and should have had Camilla
vote for Kyle to keep their alliance hidden? Was Thomas
the right move? So two part question there, one I.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Mean interesting, So wait, who gave us this question?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
This is Stephen?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
So Stephen, this is some next level survivor ing here. Yes,
that's very interesting. So act like Kyle had the the
idol used it on his own without Stephen.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
By the way, I should say, let me just say
about Steven. Steven was in Milwaukee and he did say
big Survivor Mania fan wanted me to relay that to you.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Thanks Stephen. I'm a big fan of yours. Thank you.
I think that's really interesting, Stephen.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Could they have kept up this facade even more of
being willing to turn on each other because they knew
they had the idol anyways, and if they guessed right
the problem here.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Steve, Yeah, that's yeah, honestly, I.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Mean it could have been an interesting play if they
were willing to take the risk. The problem was they
played it a little safer than that because had it
come down to they had decided to split the votes,
yes and put a vote on Camilla as well, or
they got it wrong right and that the votes, you know,
like they would put the majority of the votes on Camilla,
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maybe in one on Kyle or.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I personally think I think it's like this. I think
it's as simple as this. Yes, that's a that's a
killer move if you have the like voting flexibility and
you have the utmost certainty of who they're putting the
votes on. But to me, I think what you have
to do is in this instance, like let's say they
guess wrong. Right, Let's say they guess wrong, and let's
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say they had thrown I mean, I guess it doesn't
really matter because if they had thrown three on Camilla,
Camilla still goes home. But let's say they guess wrong
and they had split it. Right, Am I right in
saying that had they split it and put the two
on Camilla, now they get a tie and then do
they come out of a tie break scenario. I don't
know where the math goes. All I'm saying is that
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it's tight enough where I think you just you put
both of them on who you want out in my opinion,
because in essence, I.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Think they do have the extra vote.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
But if they're like trying to play the move where
they're not working together, right, like, let's say kind of.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
They did not use it, they did not use the
extra right, but it would.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Have to be like him also using the extra vote.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
To me, I'll be honest, like right now, like now
that it's two and two, to me, it doesn't matter
that the other guys know that they're working together.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Right, Like as soon as they merge, right, people are
that's like an easy lie to check as well.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
But it's not even that. It's like, I mean they're
not going to merge next week, right, Like this is
going to be a tribe of four, Like, are you
really trying to now? Actually you made your big move.
You're both safe. You play the idol, Thomas is gone.
There's going to be like a new social alignment, and
like you really want to have to be like now
still slow playing some really we're not working together. That
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just happened. Bullshit. No, you want to be like take it.
You want to like.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Own the move now, you know, I think there's a
move there because if they're still playing that they're willing
to get rid of each other. Right If Camilla is
like still playing that she's willing to get rid of Kyle,
if that's her only option, you could conceivably say, like
let's all vote for you know, like I'm with you
whatever they think. You know, they tell you what to do,
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but maybe they try to split it a little bit
in case and put one on you, and you know
you're able if they think that you are putting your
vote on someone.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
But yeah, I think I agree. I think that it
was like most suitable for something, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Like like definitely, look, is it possible they could have
threaten the needle and done this a thousand percent? Stephen,
You're right, and like if they had done it, where
we'd be talking about wow, like what expert level survivor play.
But that to me is like the did you do
you need to do it? No, I don't think you
go back.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
So going back to the idea that they continue this
this charade here of not being a say, like I
do think I don't know how obvious it was at
their old camp, Like I know they were in bigger
alliances that included the two of them, But if they're
in general able to look like they'd be willing to
throw each other under the bus, they're not each other's
number ones. Like I do think that that is something
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you could keep up, you know, to some degree, like
you could still be like we were friends, we were
a lying but like when push come to push came
to shove, like I wasn't gonna like throw my game
out out the window for him.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
So like, you know, I do think.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
That if they can keep that up and at least look,
continue to look and you see the way they I
just I want to focus on how well they work together.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
They had the tribe.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
The Tribe was like a masterclass in I know, we're.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Getting it and the moment they like the way they
were able to be like you know, throw it out
there that like, oh, like you know, I thought we
were cool, but like.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Clearly, can I just also say this? I mean, I
know we don't see the whole thing, and I know
they edit out, like you know, stuff that doesn't matter,
but like, can I just give best Supporting Actor to
Jeff because like I know that I know that, yes,
this is probably not a fair assessment of the entire thing,
and he's probably doing this for everyone and what we're
seeing is a smash cut of what is relevant to
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the episode. But that being said, let me just say, Jeff,
what we saw was you making it making me feel
as a viewer like you also thought, Okay, I mean
this is like one of them is going home, right,
I mean, like come on, like this is just like
should we just kind of like, you know, let's get
down to brass tax here. I mean, it's basically it's
Camilla where it's Kyle, right, Like should I just give
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them both ample time to say goodbye? Like this is
probably what it is, right, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
They might have asked everybody like if this.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
And one hundred percent I do think that's the case,
don't get me wrong, But my point was is that like,
like I know that this is this is where I
find like it's it's so interesting to know, like obviously
the producers Jeff is a producer, know who has an idol,
who might play an idol, et cetera. Right, obviously they
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don't know who everyone's going to vote for. They have
a certain idea, but they don't know because it hasn't
happened yet. Okay, And like I will say that that
Jeff almost like the confidence in which he's just kind
of like, yeah, it's this or this or this. It's semantics.
It's kind of like, all right, I should we just
vote then? Which probably vote? You know, like these guys,
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I will say, to have the confidence to put all
three on Kyle and not throw like at what point,
Like here's math, here's my math question to you. Okay,
is it the fear of a steal a vote? Is
it the fear of an extra vote? Is it the
fear of something like that? What mathematical reason do you
have to throw all three on Kyle?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Well, because why would it have mattered?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Well, because clearly.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
If the two of them voted together.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Well, but if they've done a good enough job lying,
we don't think that that's the case, right, We think that, hypothetically, hypothetically,
if these two actually believe the charade they're putting on,
which is that it's down to the two of them,
that they should hypothetically be voting for each other, right, hypothetically, right,
So in the event that something is played right to
leave someone else on the table, what reason would you
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not have to throw one vote on someone else, especially
the other person here, which would be Camilla. So I'm
just wondering, like, you know, like the amount of confidence
it has to have sometimes for one of these like
ultimate blinds, we're literally not one vote is on anyone
other than the person who plays the idol, Like that's
like an Oscar winning performance.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
But I also think, like, let's also give them their
due for figuring out that even though they weren't telling
them that that the vote was going to go on,
even though they were telling both of them that they
were safe and that they were voting for the other person.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
That they were able to suss out which.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
One they were lying to and which one they were
telling the truth to. That is bold, like they guessed
it really. I know they had a fifty to fifty
chance here regardless, but you know, they snuffed out Camilla
was able to be like I think, I think theyre
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actually are telling me the truth and they're lying to you.
And Kyle agreed with her and there was no argument
there there And just like to go back to that point,
like the quickness with which they have these conversations.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
They're on the same page.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
They get down to business, they figure out like they're
two similar players. They're they're both really good strategists. They
seem like both really like lovely people to be around.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I just love this duo so much. I hope this
duo goes far.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I cannot wait to see them like pull off more
moves like this and work together. I do think this
is like you know, when Jeff talked about the duo,
like to me, this is I know we have the
Joe you know, uh one where with Evois like you know,
looking out for her and that's lovely. But as far
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as like watching gameplay, this is an exciting duo to
watch play this game.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
And we've heard this whole time. This is the season
of duos, right, and like, well, we'll decide after the
season whether that's like the most overhyped statement or not.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
But I certainly refer to it often.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yes, Yeah, Now let's go to the second part of
Stephen's question. Was Thomas the right move? So we talked
about it a little bit in the preamble. Thomas having that,
you know, the baggage of having lied, could that better
be used later in the game, or was this reason
to cut bait with him? I think right now I'm
willing to say that at worst, like he was, he
was not the wrong move, you know, like could you
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could you you know, advocate for because of everything I said,
maybe going for someone else is it is a little
bit of that loaded with the fact that hey, like
probably in a little bit of reverse engineering some of
this edgic here. It's like some of these guys maybe
have more threat energy to them because we just lost Thomas,
Like you know what I mean, So I have to
kind of put myself in the shoes of someone who's
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not watching the show play out because maybe the reason
I'm fearing Shaheen as a winner threat more than Thomas
is because in fact he is because Thomas goes out
in episode four here. So I would say right now,
between Joe, Shaheen, and Thomas, they really couldn't go wrong.
The main win was to come out of this both
of you left in the game, which they did. And
I think Thomas is a fine choice. So you know,
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I don't think he was the wrong move. I don't
necessarily think he was the most right.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I think it's the right move. If they want to
move forward with these guys in some way.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Well, I think there aren't. Regardless like it or not,
this tribe is moving forward.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
No, but I mean working with them like in the future. Yeah,
and I more options.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I'm building trust with them, Like I do think this
was the right move for them.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, all right, let's get to the next question here
from Jordan. Just caught up on the Last Survivor Mania,
Scott said he was entertained but wasn't really rooting for anyone.
I agree as well, good season so far, but I
have no particular rooting interest. Still feel that way seems
to happen to me every three or four seasons.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
No, no.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Change that right. Well I was going to agree, but
go ahead, you know, No.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
It's your question. He asked you. You made the statement.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
No, you say what you say it, I'll concur or not.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I think that this changed it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I think when you see, you know, someone who's in
an underdog situation make a great move, it's really hard not.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
To root for for that person or those people.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, I think that this episode definitely turned here. Here's
what I'll say.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
There's a difference between like Mary, friends like and I
do like Mary, but there's a difference between Mary who's
like gotten out of being on the bottom, not so
much by her own moves, but more by other people
making the decision, you know, to play harder, and so
I can't really like give her the credit for that,
whereas a situation like this, I give them the credit
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for getting them out of this situation.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Let me just say this also, so I know I'm
a broken record here. The reason I hate seasons starting
the way that they did with that this did, and
that some do often do with one tribe just going
back to back to back to back to tribal is
that the reason you become attached to people and really
start to root for them is yes, watching them, you know,
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make big moves like we just saw, watching people have
their backs against the wall, getting to think about what
it would be like to have these people remove from
the game, which is why, like this week, I realized, oh, like,
I like all these people. You know, when I look
at it, I go, man, it would suck to lose
Joe here. I would I want to see how this
plays out with him and Eva I would suck. It
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would suck to lu shaheen here. I just like him overall.
Like I said, he's a cross between big Brother Paul
and the war Dog you know, funny story here, this
is awkward. My name also war Dog. And then Thomas
as well. We like Thomas, we love the whole alliance.
And then Kyle and even Camilla, who I'll be honest,
I felt like the edit had been pretty light on Camilla.
I have Camilla in our draft and one of our drafts.
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I'm still three for three in the game here. I
know you're out. You've been snuffed completely right in that league, right,
I believe? Correct?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
No, not at all?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Okay, maybe no, you lost Okay, you just lost Kevin. Okay,
So I have Bianca, Mary and Camilla, And I'll be honest,
I had felt like so far the season had been
light on Camilla, But if I'm splitting hairs here, the
season has been pretty light on most people because of
the way the season started. So now that we get
all five of these people on the chopping block, it
does shine a light on who you do actually care about.
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So I can say now, for instance, that coming out
of this, it's hard not to rooting for Kyle and Camilla,
both together and separately. Right Like, I think this was
a This was I think, by far the best like
character building and loyalty building from a viewers standpoint episode
for anybody. I think so far no offense, but like,
even though Say had been the tribal and Cedric had
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been to Tribal as many times as they had been,
I don't know that they were making fans every week
they were sticking around, Whereas I do think Kyle and
Camilla with this move making a big move, I do
think that they earned a lot of loyalty from a
fans perspective. But I'll say that even though they were
on the opposite side of this. It made me realize
I'm also rooting for Joe. I'm also also rooting for Shaheen.
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Let me ask you about somebody who wasn't a part
of this tribal but I don't know if you noticed, Lindsay,
but social media has sort of turned on her. Eva
is it Eva or Eva? It's Eva? Right?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
If we had this conversation before, you'd think we'd have
paid attention.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
To the call of the big e. Right, so the
big ee have you?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Have you noticed the fact that she's aligning with the
one man on her tribe again?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Well, I think that, yeah, I've noticed. Well here's I
was going to go broader with it that the Internet
not necessarily rooting for her.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, I because because of that, because of her, because
of the.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Fact that she tends towards men, to work with men. Yeah,
you know, I think we should.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I think I think like the the idea of representation
here and how she's been really open about her autism
here should make it so that people are more empathetic
to maybe not thinking that maybe this person, you know,
has reasons to think a little differently so in her experience,
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you know, maybe it's easier for her to relate on
that level than with you know, neurotypical females for whatever reason,
you know. And so I am usually someone who get
it is disappointed when women don't, you know, I want
to build each.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Other up and stick together.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
But I think we have a little bit more context
here we should use it and not not make a
negative assumption.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Can we make an exception for the hockey playing woman though, like,
come on right? Like I feel like, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
That's who she's, that's who, you know, Like we have
the context to know that she's grown up in a
world where those are the people that she has been around,
and there's like a reason for her comfort level here, and.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I felt that, I will say, I still I'm getting
kind of winnerish vibes from her. I don't know, I
am so, but we'll see. And then, you know, obviously
so much being made of her and Joe separating. Obviously,
now will they come back together in the merge? I
think we are kind of setting it up for that,
so it should be interesting. I hope this tribe doesn't
go back to tribal I will say, because I don't
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know who we would lose from the four here next
question goes to Matt. Matt says, hey, Scott and lindsay,
pretty crazy tribal two times in a row. This season
is delivering him. I right, anyway, did you both also
get a sixth sense of pleasure watching Thomas getting kicked
out after spouting all the crap about being thankful for
even being there? Now, Don't get me wrong, I do
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think everyone is thankful for just being cast on the show.
But when you're being voted out by everyone else having
your dreams and prematurely, I don't think being thankful if
on your mind that in that moment interesting, I don't know.
I mean, I didn't get any sort of sick satisfaction
watching Thomas get voted out here, So I don't necessarily agree, Matt.
(29:33):
I mean that could be for you and you can
have that. But yeah, I mean I do think this was,
you know, definitely a blind side in that. I do
think that that group had a uh, you know, I
don't know that they were necessarily processing things now. I
don't know if now, I'll be honest, I.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Don't know if this, I mean, what about like this
finish well?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I don't know if this quote is coming from his
exit interview, like after he's already been voted out, because
I'll be honest, I don't have any in front of me.
If that's the case, then everything I'm saying now is
null and void. But I will say it goes back
to the sheer, like, really, how awesome this Idol play was?
Is that I do think all three guys who were there,
all throwing their votes on Kyle were Let's not take
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everything they're saying, like, let's kind of take it with
a grain of salt, because I feel like they might
have been speaking from a very pretentious kind of like, hey,
we know we're sticking around here, and you know, blah
blah blah. Right, Like I always wonder, you know, you
can kind of always hear the music turn and this
and that when someone's getting like their kind of exit monologue,
and sometimes that's a red herring and they're giving the
exit monologue because someone else is going home, but like
clearly in that moment, that person thinks they're going home, right,
(30:38):
And my point is that I don't think in this
moment that Thomas or Shaheen or Joe thought they were
going home. So like everything they're saying, I do think
is probably coming through that lens of like, oh what
do I say here to kind of sound like I'm humble?
But also I know we dominated this one, didn't we? Girls?
You know?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah? I mean did you? Did you?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Though, on a different note, get satisfaction from the fact
that they came into the challenge super confident and spouting
all sorts of things about how you know they were
going to break the streak and knew they were going
to win, Like was that was that?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
To see that they then did not do that?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Well, I'll say that again, I internalize everything at all.
It always comes back to like who I kind of
want to go home or not go home and whatnot.
But I will say that in a vacuum, I do
like seeing the team that on the surface doesn't look
like the weakest team losing like that is interesting to me, right,
whether it's them being cocky about it or even me,
(31:40):
Like when I saw how these teams were laid out
like this looked like a strong team, right, did it not? So?
So my point is.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
That, I mean, they have like three of the four
biggest guys.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
It's it's fun. Now. They did get the weakest They
did get the weakest camp at the weakest beach, right, So.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Oh, I was going to ask you about that, like
how does that like make a case for how much
like there is is variability to the camps.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And you know, I've.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Heard players kind of mentioned this too, that there's like
a clear advantage to certain sites that you can get and.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, it's talking about all the food.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
That he provided and that if you're hungry, that you're
you're plenty, that you're not doing enough because there's plenty
of food, like, but maybe that's because you know, he
got lucky and what locations he was in.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So I will say that there are there is some
variability in location that is like natural, right, like this
one has more trees that you know have riper coconuts
or whatever and blah blah blah. Right, And people who
have played multiple times have even like mentioned this, and
(32:43):
like you know, since they do film and PG over
and over again, like you know, the people who have
played multiple times, like they actually they are smart enough
to know. And some of these people have actually gone
back and visited. I don't know if you've know this,
but some of these Survivor players have gone back and
like visited the islands and is not whatever, And so
there is I think a variability just if no one
even set foot on any of these locations, which one
(33:03):
you would pick right blindly, Okay, But then they got
they got the beach from the tribe that had never won, right,
So they had never won, and they had never reaped
the benefits of having won, and so it was not
set up as nicely as the tribes who had been skating.
Those tribes that had been skating were populated by the
people who now have to set foot on this beach.
(33:24):
That sucks because they were losing to the people who
are now populating this thing. So there is something like
poetic and ironic about that. But I find that to
be sort of the way the cookie crumbles, you know.
And I will say it's kind of fitting here. I mean,
you've seen it where it's been you know, triple awful,
where it's like the bad people get sent back to
(33:44):
the bad beach with more bad people. You know, this
at least was a little bit sort of fifty to fifty,
you know, strong tribe, weak beach. But yeah, so in
a vacuum, Yeah, it's more interesting to me that the
strongest on the surface tribe went to tribal, but then
selfishly he was filled with people that I enjoyed. So
if I had to pick, I would still have it
(34:05):
go this way because I do think it made for
more interesting. This is to me the most interesting episode
of the season. So next EP is Trevor. Trevor says,
first Challenge Mania hat sellout and now Thomas has voted off.
What a rough week for me? Lol, Well, Trevor, the
hats may have sold out temporarily, but they will be
back to me. Thomas feels like the first truly robbed
(34:27):
potential great of the New era. Question, what's the David angle?
They show his interactions all the time, and Survivor seems
to always give large edits to male winners. So if
he isn't winning, why is he getting so much screen
time outside of his very engaging narration.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
So we've got a little confused the narrative about his girlfriend.
He keeps referring to her as his girlfriend, but then
this last episode said that she broke up with him
right before because of money issues, So is that the
case or they do they then get back together? Is
(35:04):
it actually his girlfriend when he says his girlfriend or
does he mean his ex girlfriend? That he's trying to
win back over a little confused there, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I wonder is it that he's hoping to win the
money back to then win her back?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
And also you probably can't refer to her as your girlfriend?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah yeah, right, right, right right. No, it was interesting.
I will say I wondered if I had like only
half been paying attention because to me, it sounded like
she broke up with him and then he was still
referring to her in the present tense as if they
were a thing. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Continue to probably, like.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I understand that money is a real thing, and like
having a family requires money, and and you know, I
get it as somebody as an adult now who has
to deal with.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
You know, raising a big family.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
And but I do think she's I do think she's
probably getting a lot of backlash for him sharing this information.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Where she's getting this backlash like in her private circles
or like.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Maybe one out in the private circle.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
People found people have found this woman on Twitter and Reddit,
and I don't know they called her employer. Do you know,
you have a.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
It doesn't matter if they're like finding her, you know,
if she's seeing it.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
But I wonder what I will say, is I do think,
and this might be what you're onto Trevor, is that
it appeared at first like David might be getting this
sort of duncey jock edit, and it does seem like
he's getting something a little bit more evolved than that. Right,
So it does seem like they want us to like
him a little bit more than you may have initially assumed. Right.
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah? I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
And I think the way that he you know, he
shared about having the sisters and working with women, sort
of like in the same way that Eva is getting
backlash for not wanting to work for men, I think
it probably makes him look, you know, getting some positive
feedback that he is happy to work with women.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Now let me ask you this speaking of women. All right,
So obviously, you know, alliances are in their truest form
when they're fully functional and you have every member. But
you know, it's not like the cookout was done the
minute the first person from the cookout was voted off. Now,
California girls, if I had to say, none of them
actually girls, but Thomas doing a lot of the like
(37:24):
i'd say heavy lifting. As far as making it appropriate
that they went by that name. Are Joe and Shaheen
going to continue to go by the California Girls? Sans Thomas?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
What do you think what changes it?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I think having a gay guy in there makes it
like I think, two straight guys at a gay guy.
California Girls brilliant, chef's kiss amazing. Then then Thomas has gone.
Are Joe Jaheen really gonna be like a right California
girls meating? Come? Come on buying the tree? You with me?
A couple of girls talking, Let's do it?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, you know that's what I want to do. I
don't think that that changes anything. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
But there's still just still too girls one beach, right,
that's what you're saying. Doesn't change the day. Okay, we'll see,
we'll see. I predict the California Girls are no more.
That's what that's my prediction.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
As in that you don't think the Nay entitle or
in actual alliance.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I don't think. Well, I think they'll still work together, fine,
but I don't know that they're still going to call
themselves the.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
California I disagree.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
I don't think that had anything to do with why
they called themselves the California.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Okay, we'll find out. I don't know, all right, fine, okay,
really all right. Next question comes from Diana. Diana says,
if Voula goes back to tribal, do you think they
would go to Rocks with a two to two tie?
Camilla and Kyle gave away their cover of not working together,
so I don't know if they would flip now that
it's two to two. So yeah, what do you think
(38:48):
would they go to Rocks or would they would somebody
turn here?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Well, they still have the extra vote, so I don't
think it would ever come down.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Oh good point there. Did you think about that, Diana?
Extra vote? And to now Thomas also goes home with
an extra vote in his pocket? Correct or did he
not have it? Did he not have it? No?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
He oh right, you're saying, but no, because he didn't
lose his vote.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
No, No, I'm just saying I'm just yeah, yeah, no,
I'm just saying it's interesting that he and those are
non transferable, I believe, right.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
So the two people that got so the three people,
so the two people that got it so one lost
their vote justin we saw him go home, and now
Thomas got one. We saw him go home, and so
there's only one left here in that technically, I mean,
(39:49):
like I assume that Kyle gave it immediately back to
Camilla here.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Right, Yeah, so I think they're in good they're in
good shape. If it does go back to A two two,
they clearly have of the two two, they clearly have
the advantage there. All right, So interesting episode here. Do
you have any predictions going to the next episode. I
think we're going to keep this tribe alignment for a while.
I don't think we're going to emerge next week. So
I'm gonna predict I don't think this team comes in last.
(40:14):
I don't think this team loses next week. That's the
only great prediction I've got there. And uh, I'm gonna
say my prediction. I don't have any any merit to this,
but I am going to say Chrissy is going home
next that's my yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Now I'm gonna go with Star, Okay, all right, oh okay,
well all right now that you.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Okay, go a Star. We'll resume conversation about this at
a later date. But guys, thank you so much. If
any of you guys happen to be at disney World
and the variety of parks next week. Feel free to
say hello if you see us. I will say the
one guy who recognized me not last year, but several
years ago when we went at Epcot was it was
a thrill for me, So for me too. Yeah, So
(41:01):
if you do see us, say hi. And Disney Mania
will be coming soon. Survivor Mania will be back, probably
not next week. And I'm going to try to pump
out a child Lady podcast for you guys before heading
to the garden. So, Lindsey, any final words before we go?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
It's getting good?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
All right, there you go, It's getting good. I will
say the last two have been good, so digging this
season out of the gutter there, all right?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
And uh, Kimel is my new winter pick?
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Camilla your new winter pick? All right? Well that would
be good for me because I have her in the
in the draft, so I'm sticking with Eva. Kay. All right, guys,
have a good one. Appreciate you.
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