April 14, 2025 • 32 mins
Sai...Ced...it's all past tense now. Scott and Lindsay are back to break down last week's Episode 7 of Survivor 48.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Scott Jeger here with another edition of Survivormania. Here to
break down last Wednesday's episode of Survivor season forty eight.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We lost two Survivor cast mates.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We're going to talk about it all here today with
the say to my Cedric missus Lindsay.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeager, is that a good thing?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I mean, you tell me.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I have my thoughts on these two, particularly Say, as
does Johnny fair Play. I don't know if you've seen
the play versus Say feud on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
No, tell me more.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Let me go find his tweets while you give me
your thoughts. What do you think about these two? I mean,
obviously they were a big part of the first few
episodes of this season, and now they are.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Gone closely tied together.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
So, I yes, Cedric made some mistakes here. I think
he had a soft spot for Say and I think
it really affected his game here, although.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Perhaps Cedric wasn't cutthroat enough for this game.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I mean Cedric, it's been said, he's you know, he's
voted for a lot of different people.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
His name's been written down. I had sort of going into.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
This episode pect him as having the potential for being
like a zero vote getter finalist, someone who had just
kind of you know, you know, played a big part
in the first half of the game, but really not
you know, done anything where he had and he Winter vibes,
and thus if people could catch on to that, he's
sort of the perfect person to take to the end.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
It's kind of works that that, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
The worst thing we can say about him is that
he's just like too nice a guy for this game.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, I mean, look, there are two nicer guys for
this game. For sure.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
There are nice guys who if you let him get
to the end, they're gonna win. Some everybody likes him,
but I think somewhere in the middle of that is
probably where you want to land. I don't know that's
necessarily him being nice. That is what got him in
the way of probably having a path to winning this thing,
But maybe that's what got him out here.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I mean, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Before we get into the specifics of these two, what
do you think about this norm now that at the
you know, episode seven or so range, we're always going
to get this random two tribe split in which we
lose two people. One person gets to be on the jury,
the other person does not we get the dual immunity
where it often will have. You know, obviously each half
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is competing against each other, and then there's the big
battle between the two winners of the two halves.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
What do you think about that? Do you like that?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Does it set up too much randomness for two of
the players here, and particularly maybe one to get out
in a spot where maybe maybe they wouldn't have if
it was a larger tribe. What do you think about
this whole deal?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
It's somewhat more heartbreaking, I think to go out pre
pre jury, but you made the merge and in fact
would have made the jury if not for whoever, whatever
random person you were placed with on you know, during
the competition that day lasted longer than whatever random person
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the other person was paired.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
With that day.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
You know, it's not even like if you lasted longer,
It's just like, whoever you happen to be on the
same side with that day lasted longer than whatever other
person on that side lasted the longest. And I mean,
it's already heartbreaking enough being the person, you know, the
last person to go home before the jury, but I
think this definitely adds a layer to it here. I
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think the reason they do it is because it does
allow for things to get shook.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Up a little bit. You know, when when you have
this kind of a situation where.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
You know you're maybe randomly not with the people bull
that you are riding with to the end, it gives
you kind of like an opportunity to to make some
moves here.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And I think we almost saw that happen, or they
edited it really well.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
But you know, for instance, it's never my favorite to
see a season right where it's just like a strong
majority alliance who rides to the end together, and right
now it appears like that might be happening right with
you know, Kyle and Eva and Joe and Camilla and
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David and and I think that this gives people the
opportunity to buck that a little bit if they're if
they're questioning their position.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
But we didn't see it happen.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, what I I mean, I'll say this year or
this you know season is a good example of why
you do this, because I love that in One Fell
Swoop we lose both of these cast members. I didn't
particularly like either one of them as far as their
role in this game or in general, I found the
Johnny Fairplay tweet. I believe it was people immediately calling for, say,
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to be on Survivor fifty, and so he just tweeted
somewhat directly but also cryptically, that dogshit performance deserves the
spot on Survivor fifty. Shaheen then responded, I don't know, man,
maybe shut the fuck up, and then he responded, I
was rooting for this guy, with an arrow pointing at Shaheen.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Then later on he gets say actually says.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
If you don't get your washed up cornball ass out
of here to Johnny Fairplay, and he responds to her,
is this where I get to say, thanks to everyone
for not allowing you to make the finale about yourself.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Just wondering. So they are going back and forth now
at each other.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
But what's like, is this like what happen with the
Challenge players where people are purposely trying to start feuds
right before season fifty so that they're more likely to
get askedpect.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, Johnny Fairplay in general is kind of in his
own category, as is Russell Hans.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Like these guys are trolls.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
You got your Randy Bailey out there, Like these guys
are trolls. They're often, like you know, very cutting with
their critiques of people, particularly when they're people that are
not necessarily fan favorites, with people who are getting love
from the fan base, whether it be as a villain
or otherwise.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And I do feel like these guys come from the
era where.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Look, we've talked about it, like Say is like the
closest you're getting to a quote unquote villain these days,
and to someone from like the two thousand and four
school of reality TV villainry, it's going to feel very
slight and whatnot. So I sort of get why someone
like Johnny Fairplay wouldn't necessarily love a player like Say
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and think that like the immediate calling for her to
return to fifty might be a little bit overblown or disingenuous.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
What say you?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I mean, do you every time I say what's say you?
I think everyone thinks I'll probably make it a pun.
But I mean, would you like to say on Survivor fifty?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I don't need it?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
But that's again just like a I think it's like
recency bias. I think there are other players from the past,
you know, from the new era, who have made big
moves similar have been big personalities, made big moves, but
maybe have done it in uh suttler ways. And I
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think there's just like recency bias, right Where's she's the
one we're thinking of right now? But I don't need it, No,
I don't need it. But I want to say that
I made possibly the worst prediction in the history of
our podcasting days, Scott, which was it's official, my main
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prediction at the beginning of the season, pre season, preseason
and after the first episode even was that a man
from the Vula tribe would win season forty eight. There
are officially no more men from the Vula tribe left
on this season.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, so, even while hedging your bets to a degree
where you would say, mathematically you got to have someone
in the running, when it gets down to like eight people,
you are already out.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Already already down mortifying how bad a prediction that was.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, look, I mean this season, and look you made
that prediction based on what preseason interviews in the fives
you got it the thing you went to. I mean,
there's really no reason that you should have been able
to make a prediction such as that. I mean, although
it's broader and I would say less impressive if you
were right about it, then if you would like call
a specific person, it's seemingly just as random as making
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a preseason prediction based on bios and short interviews.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
You think Cedric's really regretting his decision to not keep
just in the twentieth time he was asked if he
wanted to keep just a nursing Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Again, I kind of.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I always realize, I'm like, I'm getting the version of
the show that they're feeding to me, And I always
know that they're feeding me a version of the show
based on who they know goes far in the show.
But I just never really got any sort of lengthy
vibes or meaningfully lengthy vibes from Cedric. So yeah, sure,
could he have made different decisions here or there whatever?
(09:26):
The other thing this season just seems so much more
about the other people you previously mentioned. You know, your
your Kyle's, your Eva's, your your Joe's, and now you're
David's as well. Who obviously this you know challenge and
we could use that as a segue to the challenge
comes down to a battle of I believe it was
Captain America versus the rock was how somebody described it,
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Shaheen throw him in there as well, like these do
seem to be you know, maybe throw Mary in there
and Camilla and that those seem to be kind of
the stars of our show.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Correct me if I'm wrong. Do you do you agree
with that assessment.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah, it's definitely a little bit of a change here
in a new era that the strong, you know, the
strong has it together group here is dominating in this postseason.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Now, we got a tease of this in the I
want to I want to go back to this because
I think I said it on record last week, but
I want to really hammer it home this week because
we got a tease of this in the trailer for
this week's episode, and then it did actually pan out.
You know, I would say more so than I even
thought it might when I saw the trailer. In the trailer,
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they teased that they were going to go after Shaheen, right,
and in this episode, Shaheen was very much so the
other option at that second tribal council. If it wasn't
going to be I forget if it was or Cedric
who went home, whatever, it was going to be Shaheen.
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And we heard a little bit of the logic, and
we heard a little bit of the planning, the seeds
of how you might get there.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
It's Subjec that goes home second, because they all made
a point saying they didn't want to say it right.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So so for me, what I attributed this to or
what I thought this could be. And obviously this is
wishl thinking as well, because I have I do have.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Winter vibes from Shaheen.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
He's moving and has been moving up the winner's board
in my mind, although I said Eva early on, she's
sort of you know, her path to victory, it seems
like it has more bumps in the road until this
was Shaheen. But what I reminded myself of which they
do often, is that when someone wins the show.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
You know, last year it was Rachel.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
The season I always remember is that Nick Wilson winning
David Versus Goliath. They really make you early on in
that season. I believe it's the episode where the guy
goes home via medical evac, like, let you know how
close Nick was to going home. And I always say
that something Survivor likes to do is without really like
making it obvious. They love to show you how close
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the eventual winner or someone who at least makes the final,
you know, was to going home early. And what I
always say about this show is that they ask them
tons of questions. You know, we do see tons of conversations,
and they often cut out conversations that don't end up mattering,
right like, and so this essentially didn't end up mattering.
But they showed us these conversations. So why are you
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showing these conversations? Is it because Shaheen is going to
go home next? Or is it because Shaheen later on
is going to do very well in the game And
this is the most evidence they ever have to show
us of him being a potential target.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I agree with you on that.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
But or is it that Kyle and Camilla are playing
a really calculated game together?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah? No, and I do think I do see that too.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
And obviously it makes me, you know, look at them
as strategists, and it could, yes, have just been character
building info for them to give us for him and
for them. But I actually, in a weird way, as
much as it made him look like, uh oh, this
could be something they continue to try to do, it
actually gave me more Winter vibes for Shakim this week.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well, like I said, I've got you know.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
If you told me that the winner this season ends
up being Shaheen, Eva, Kyle, Joe, Camilla or Mary, I'm
with you. The people I think have zero shot. Oh
and I and I do get sort of finalists potentially
no vote, get her finalist vibes from Mitch, but I
don't get winter vibes for Mitch. But I do get
sort of long for the game vibe from from Mitch.
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And I really think Chrissy and Star have zero chance.
If if you if you ask me who's going next,
I'm thinking it's Chrisy or Star.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
But that's me.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I think that Kyle let's work.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I really am loveing them play this season.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
That again, Sorry, so as you say that again, you
cut out a bit. I just want to make people
get what you said.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, I really think that Kyle and Camilla this season
are doing God's work.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I'm loving watching them play.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
There's something about them together that feels really unique to
me in how incredibly on the same page they are,
how strategic they are, how subtle they are, how they
but they're like they're they're making the most of every
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choice and every moment and every conversation and every relationship
in a way doing it super subtly. It's there's something
about like watching someone play so fully but yet also
so subtly, and then to watch two people doing it
and be on the same page about it, to me
is the most exciting part of the season.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Well, now let's talk about David, because I did leave
him out of my potential winners, although he's clearly becoming
a bigger and bigger part of the season as it
goes on. He had this amazing immunity performance this week.
Looked like he could have held onto that thing for
another three days. Yea everyone, Yet I just don't see
Maybe it's because of that because he's too flashy of
a physical presence. I just don't see him as being
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able to stick it out, stick the land and get
even too that final three let alone win it.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
What do you think about him?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
I just really think in this new era, it's going
to be hard for a jury of people who love
survivor to reward the person that you know talks about how,
oh it's time to bring back like the strong, Like
the guy who's really strong should win. And maybe I'm
and maybe I'm wrong here, because maybe there's like a
backlash of that. Right, maybe there's been so many New
Era seasons in a row of sort of the underhanded
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player winning and you know, not needing to play this
kind of flashy.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Game and not needing these wins.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Although Rachel had a lot of wins last season, that
maybe there is going to be some sort you know,
I like to look at ends right with Survivor winners
and and then the reverb from those trends and sort
of like going, you know, that having like a backlash,
and so it is possible that we're heading that way,
and maybe that you know, I'm always saying they're looking
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for a new type of winner, but maybe we've like
come full circle and they're looking for an old type
of winner.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Now, yeah, I do think I just see somebody just
making a move on Dave doing the whole David's gonna
win out. I think he could probably win the next
couple immunities in a row before that happens. But I'm
getting that sort of mid season immunity king vibe from him.
Maybe Joe is the guy who spearheads that being the
other person. Maybe Joe actually it's the opposite in Joe
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season is a meat field. But you know, it's clear
this week that those are the two guys who really
take an extra level of pride in the immunity thing,
as well as being kind of each other's competition in
that regard.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
So what is the reason that Shaheen has looked at
as the like the most sketchy of the super loyal
strong players.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
They don't know how he got this reputation.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
It's probably the beard, you know. I feel like, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Do wonder if there's some bias here.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I've found when I have a beard versus when I
don't have a beard, people think I'm a little bit shadier.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I noticed when I check out at the counter, they've
got their eyes.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
On the redis a lot hotter when you have a beard.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
See you think the opposite, Well, that's it hotter but
also shadier. You're like, the shady hot guy is what
it is? You know, you know, maybe it's shady. Shaheen
has a good ring to it. Maybe that's what it
is they.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Have gotten Shaheen aty.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
It's Kyle and Kimilla and themselves in a good position here.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I mean personally, yeah, I mean, I think anytime you
can hang on to a guy like Cedric, who I
think is just dead weight, and get rid of a
guy like Shaheen, who I think that you you know,
have winter vibes from.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
But they're trying to keep the numbers right. They also
want to have the numbers.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
It's yeah, I mean, that's kind of the eternal dilemma.
And that's kind of what you always see at the end,
you know. And that's why I think this was a
glimpse of sea how close they do right decision. Yeah,
I mean, I just think that, you know, I often
sit here at home watching these things, thinking, wow, it
is so obvious that Shaheen is a bigger threat to
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the game than Cedric. But that's because that's what they
want me to think, because he is that, you know
what I mean, And I I and again, I know,
I like talking about the edit.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
You don't like talking about the edit.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
But I also think regardless of whether you're talking about
the edit itself or the opinions that you form, I'm
willing to admit that my opinions are formed based on
what I'm seeing, what I'm hearing, and I know that
they are giving us that you know, with a lot
of hindsight in mind.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Is Mary in a good position here as the last
Bula member, the only Vulah member and therefore not a threat?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I mean always, I mean it seems like the last
person who who you know, stands the test of time
from that like, really got a lot of attention tribe
at the beginning because they were losing. Always does swell
on the show, whether that means that she wins the
show or not. It provides the best kind of, you know,
comeback story narrative that you could possibly have. We've seen
it recently with I believe Jam Jam. We saw it
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recently with I believe it was the hairdresser what's her
name again, I'm already forgetting her name jam Jim the
other right right, the other hairdresser. We're on a hairdresser
run Henzy. So maybe to follow up the two hairdresser
to wins jam Jam and Kenzie, we get Shaheen someone
who maybe could go to a hairdresser. I think maybe.
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But what do you think about my assessment about Star
and Chrissy having no shot? I know you've talked about
Star a little bit. You don't necessarily get long for
this game.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
We've had those private conversations in an email for him
in a group that we have our draft in because
she's my sole remaining player left and I just don't
see it for her. But I was in the minority
there and it seems like other people really did see
it for her. I just feel like they gave her
a bit of the duns At in the beginning. That
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was unlike sort of the vibes that I got from
her in person. But it seemed like she just really
didn't have, you know, an idea of how she was
being perceived, where the alliances were, what she should do
with her information for her idle clues, and sort of
like to me, it was sort of like a dunce
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looked at as like a Dunce move giving or like
an emotional move giving that.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Idol to Eva. But in retrospect, like people say it
was a good move.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Because you know, she kind of got it off her back.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
She looked really honest.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
She she made good with Eva here and she's not
the one that people are targeting, and she has an idol.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I have found in my travels that the internet does
not really like Eva.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
To me, that's a bit of.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I know, we have a one listener who's a big
fan of Eva, and I think on the surface, you
would think like in an alternate universe, she would be
very popular, have a lot of people ring for Yet
for some reason, she's rubbed a lot of people the
wrong way, seemingly also the cast. I don't know if
you saw, there were a couple of clips of Say's interviews.
She didn't have much to say about Eva. She implied
that Eva like strictly hung out with the guys. What
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do you think about Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, again, like I think context, so.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
You know, that is who she's related to for most
of her life for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And social hockey player.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
So yeah, but I.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Do get I mean, as a woman, I do find
myself like, yeah, I probably would be annoyed with a
person who seemed like they were, you know, getting in
good with felt like they were one of the boys,
sort of at the expense of the females.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, that wouldn't jive well with me.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Do you think that makes her more or less of
a target in this game? Does it slightly?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
You know, take a little bit more of the target
offer back.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
That she makes less likely to win because just just
for pure jury votes, and I mean the way that
people are talking on her, it's clearly like I don't
I don't know that she's like, you know, a fan
favorite among the jury either.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So who was our first jury member? Got it?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Thank god?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Right, and we're scared of the chaos of say on
the jury.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Well, so what's interesting is when you look at who's
left in the game and you look who's on the jury.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I'm trying to look.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I mean, actually it does look a bit split as
far as you know, uh, men and women so far.
But right now, so we're kicking off the jury with
one man in Cedric.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, it's interesting. It's like, it's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I guess I don't think about how like jury management
about like having the people who like you on the
jury versus still in the game with you at the end.
Sometimes it can bite you in the butt if you
have like an alliance that does so well that you're
all still in the game at the end and can't
really vote for each other.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
So it'll be interesting to see how that develops.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
You know, how many of these people who would vote
for each other end up actually having to play their
case against each other instead of vote for each.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Other, right right, Yeah, I do though, see like the
kind of people that are in this strong Man alliance
are the kind of people that would want one of
them to win out in the end. They're those kind
of players, So I you know, you got to be
smart about who you're putting on that jury there. I
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also want to say to Cedric. I know what we
was saying goodbye to Cedric here, who I really like
as a person, and I want to say he was
really hard on himself.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
We didn't do a podcast last week.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
He was really hard on himself about the challenges. I
know it that's been really frustrating for him. But I
think the guy should be super proud, like as somebody
who did some of these challenges, Like you know, it's
got a very abridged version of this at the Survivor
fan event. They're hard, and there must be super hard
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when you're starving and you're hot, and you're all muddy
and you're all the things, and he's keeping up with them.
You know, he's not giving up. He's doing it, and
I just think is really proud of himself.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
In the end, Well, we just lost, say we just lost,
said we're losing. Every tense of the word. But yeah,
as I said, I mean like he's being hard on himself.
But I think he had a pretty decent run. I mean,
to be honest with you, I think the guy has
kind of like first Boot vibes, so to have made
it even this far, I think he has something to
hang his hat on. What do you say about Mitch,
because I think Mitch here, his name's been in the
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running a few times here, and you wonder does he
now fill that Cedric role or do you do you
agree with me that you see him going further and further.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I don't see how he fits a sedg roll at all.
I don't. I don't compare the two other than they
spoke seem like really nice guys.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
But you know, I think that's Mitch's story is scary
to people. As we've seen, his story is something he
can't hide, right, it's right out there. There's nothing he
can do to pretend that that, you know, that's not
his story. I think people really like him. There's a
lot of confessionals. There's a lot of talk about how
likable Mitch is. He's likable to us as a viewer,
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and he's clearly really likable to the players out there.
Top of that, he's got this great story, and so
I do think he's a threat in that sense. But
I think to some degree and getting rid of Chrissy,
I almost think that that helps him in a way.
I'm not Chrissy, and getting rid of Charity, I almost
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think that in a way that that may have helped
propel him a little bit further in this game, because
I do think he's a lone wolf right now.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Now, what do you think about Mitch's stutter as potentially
being like the whole story narrative of we have to
get Mitch out because he's got this great story overcoming
that obviously the great moment with Jeff earlier, things like
that DA has.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
A similar story, right.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Sure, Yeah, I mean because that's the one thing.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Because so for me, it's like as a player, and
I do think this is this is sort of underrating him,
because I do think he is someone not to be
definitely not to be underestimated. I do think there's more
to his game than people would assume. But I do
think as a player so far within the construct of
this game, and seeing how often his name has thrown
out there.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
So far, similar to like a Romeo.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I do kind of have him pegged as like a
third seat, no vote getter finalist. However, I do wonder
does the story does overcoming the adversity, you know, does
all that maybe make up for a little bit of
that and make him not necessarily a zero vote vote
get or finalist and someone that you might not want
to give that third seed too.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Right, I hear what you're saying, like, if.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
You're in this game, who do you want?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Like, let's just ask you this, right because to me,
I think there's a lot of strong players left in
the game.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Right, I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Chrissy.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
And Starr off the table, okay, because I think they're
easy answers. Who would you if you're lindsay you're in
this game, okay, who would you most like to sit
next to? Knowing what you know as a viewer. So
let's say like you're on the island and you're as
perceptive as we are as viewers about everyone's game, their narrative,
their trajectory, all that stuff as we are now, and
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you plug yourself into this game, who would you think
you had the best chance in a final three with?
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Well, it's really hard because like, as a viewer, I'm
seeing things so differently than the players out there, and
it depends on how I think people would be able
to convey that to a jury. I think I would
want to sit next to a David. Honestly, in this
day and age, I think I would want to be
able to sit next to a David and be like,
I don't one challenge is.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I don't think it's a bad answer, yep. And then
and then who else you got to pick?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Two?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Well, I think, like, hmm, that's interesting. I I you know, yeah,
I think like Mitch is maybe being perceived as like
not since he was an under since he was sort
of left out of the alliance, a core alliance on
his starting tribe and didn't really have a you know,
didn't realize that he was Like I think there's a
good case to be made that like, yeah, he was
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really likable, but like didn't maybe have his finger on
the pulse of what was going on.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Okay, all right, So just so your two picks, what
if I included Christian Starr?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, I mean I would probably pick those two.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, all right, last thing let's get out of here,
is keep this snackable. We don't have any questions, by
the way, because wasn't sure if we're we're going to.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Get this in. We did. You're welcome, survivor maniac. Who
do you think is going home next?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
And and do you agree with me overall that it's
feeling like Chrissy your star or do you think there's
someone else there you throwing there?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Okay, well let's see who's so we have this alliance
right now? Right, it's Camilla, it's Kyle, it's David, it's Shaheen,
it's Joe, it's Eva, six right, and then everyone left
is Chrissy, Star, Mitch, Mary?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Am I missing anyone here?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
All right? I got it in front of me.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Shaheen, Eva, Joe, Camilla, David, Chrissy Star, Mary, Mitch.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
That's what we've got left in the game.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, so six and four ten people left? Right?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Okay, so there's clearly like a strong six although there's
been seeds planted that people want to turn on Shaheen.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Whether that works or not, who's to say.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
I think like once that blows up, might see the
end of that alliance, because you know, depending on how But.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Does that make sense? To do here now that we're
back to the larger.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Tribe and now you're competing with the Hey, if we
try to pull that and they want to, they do.
They now have the numbers to do something else, you
know what I mean. Like it was the time to
do that, and was the reason that even came up
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when it was the Like, I.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Think that Kyle and Camilla are really smart and they
realize that, like the only way to pull this off
and not blow up this majority alliance is to make
it seem like the treat that Shaheen had that justifies
it is that he was disoil right, and so like,
if they can somehow continue to paint that picture, they
can keep this alliance and just get rid of Shaheen.
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If it's if it's their call, if it's if it's
them that are doing it, if the word gets back
and their plan works, if they can pin it on
him being disoiled. Otherwise this alliance is strong. This is
why this alliance is strong, because we are the loyal,
honest people, then they have a chance of going to
the end with it.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I'm going to say, David wins immunity again, and I'm
going to say that we lose Chrissy or Star. So
that's my formal prediction. Thank you guys, Do you have
anything else before we go?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
That's it. We'll get this to you so you know
next time.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Hopefully bye good shop.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
He's please.
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Speaker 1 (32:00):
Acute
What's up, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Scott Jeger here with another edition of Survivormania. Here to
break down last Wednesday's episode of Survivor season forty eight.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We lost two Survivor cast mates.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We're going to talk about it all here today with
the say to my Cedric missus Lindsay.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeager, is that a good thing?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I mean, you tell me.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I have my thoughts on these two, particularly Say, as
does Johnny fair Play. I don't know if you've seen
the play versus Say feud on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
No, tell me more.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Let me go find his tweets while you give me
your thoughts. What do you think about these two? I mean,
obviously they were a big part of the first few
episodes of this season, and now they are.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Gone closely tied together.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
So, I yes, Cedric made some mistakes here. I think
he had a soft spot for Say and I think
it really affected his game here, although.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Perhaps Cedric wasn't cutthroat enough for this game.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I mean Cedric, it's been said, he's you know, he's
voted for a lot of different people.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
His name's been written down. I had sort of going into.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
This episode pect him as having the potential for being
like a zero vote getter finalist, someone who had just
kind of you know, you know, played a big part
in the first half of the game, but really not
you know, done anything where he had and he Winter vibes,
and thus if people could catch on to that, he's
sort of the perfect person to take to the end.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
It's kind of works that that, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
The worst thing we can say about him is that
he's just like too nice a guy for this game.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, I mean, look, there are two nicer guys for
this game. For sure.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
There are nice guys who if you let him get
to the end, they're gonna win. Some everybody likes him,
but I think somewhere in the middle of that is
probably where you want to land. I don't know that's
necessarily him being nice. That is what got him in
the way of probably having a path to winning this thing,
But maybe that's what got him out here.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I mean, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Before we get into the specifics of these two, what
do you think about this norm now that at the
you know, episode seven or so range, we're always going
to get this random two tribe split in which we
lose two people. One person gets to be on the jury,
the other person does not we get the dual immunity
where it often will have. You know, obviously each half
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is competing against each other, and then there's the big
battle between the two winners of the two halves.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
What do you think about that? Do you like that?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Does it set up too much randomness for two of
the players here, and particularly maybe one to get out
in a spot where maybe maybe they wouldn't have if
it was a larger tribe. What do you think about
this whole deal?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
It's somewhat more heartbreaking, I think to go out pre
pre jury, but you made the merge and in fact
would have made the jury if not for whoever, whatever
random person you were placed with on you know, during
the competition that day lasted longer than whatever random person
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the other person was paired.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
With that day.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
You know, it's not even like if you lasted longer,
It's just like, whoever you happen to be on the
same side with that day lasted longer than whatever other
person on that side lasted the longest. And I mean,
it's already heartbreaking enough being the person, you know, the
last person to go home before the jury, but I
think this definitely adds a layer to it here. I
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think the reason they do it is because it does
allow for things to get shook.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Up a little bit. You know, when when you have
this kind of a situation where.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
You know you're maybe randomly not with the people bull
that you are riding with to the end, it gives
you kind of like an opportunity to to make some
moves here.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And I think we almost saw that happen, or they
edited it really well.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
But you know, for instance, it's never my favorite to
see a season right where it's just like a strong
majority alliance who rides to the end together, and right
now it appears like that might be happening right with
you know, Kyle and Eva and Joe and Camilla and
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David and and I think that this gives people the
opportunity to buck that a little bit if they're if
they're questioning their position.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
But we didn't see it happen.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, what I I mean, I'll say this year or
this you know season is a good example of why
you do this, because I love that in One Fell
Swoop we lose both of these cast members. I didn't
particularly like either one of them as far as their
role in this game or in general, I found the
Johnny Fairplay tweet. I believe it was people immediately calling for, say,
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to be on Survivor fifty, and so he just tweeted
somewhat directly but also cryptically, that dogshit performance deserves the
spot on Survivor fifty. Shaheen then responded, I don't know, man,
maybe shut the fuck up, and then he responded, I
was rooting for this guy, with an arrow pointing at Shaheen.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Then later on he gets say actually says.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
If you don't get your washed up cornball ass out
of here to Johnny Fairplay, and he responds to her,
is this where I get to say, thanks to everyone
for not allowing you to make the finale about yourself.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Just wondering. So they are going back and forth now
at each other.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
But what's like, is this like what happen with the
Challenge players where people are purposely trying to start feuds
right before season fifty so that they're more likely to
get askedpect.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, Johnny Fairplay in general is kind of in his
own category, as is Russell Hans.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Like these guys are trolls.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
You got your Randy Bailey out there, Like these guys
are trolls. They're often, like you know, very cutting with
their critiques of people, particularly when they're people that are
not necessarily fan favorites, with people who are getting love
from the fan base, whether it be as a villain
or otherwise.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And I do feel like these guys come from the
era where.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Look, we've talked about it, like Say is like the
closest you're getting to a quote unquote villain these days,
and to someone from like the two thousand and four
school of reality TV villainry, it's going to feel very
slight and whatnot. So I sort of get why someone
like Johnny Fairplay wouldn't necessarily love a player like Say
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and think that like the immediate calling for her to
return to fifty might be a little bit overblown or disingenuous.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
What say you?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I mean, do you every time I say what's say you?
I think everyone thinks I'll probably make it a pun.
But I mean, would you like to say on Survivor fifty?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I don't need it?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
But that's again just like a I think it's like
recency bias. I think there are other players from the past,
you know, from the new era, who have made big
moves similar have been big personalities, made big moves, but
maybe have done it in uh suttler ways. And I
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think there's just like recency bias, right Where's she's the
one we're thinking of right now? But I don't need it, No,
I don't need it. But I want to say that
I made possibly the worst prediction in the history of
our podcasting days, Scott, which was it's official, my main
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prediction at the beginning of the season, pre season, preseason
and after the first episode even was that a man
from the Vula tribe would win season forty eight. There
are officially no more men from the Vula tribe left
on this season.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, so, even while hedging your bets to a degree
where you would say, mathematically you got to have someone
in the running, when it gets down to like eight people,
you are already out.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Already already down mortifying how bad a prediction that was.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, look, I mean this season, and look you made
that prediction based on what preseason interviews in the fives
you got it the thing you went to. I mean,
there's really no reason that you should have been able
to make a prediction such as that. I mean, although
it's broader and I would say less impressive if you
were right about it, then if you would like call
a specific person, it's seemingly just as random as making
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a preseason prediction based on bios and short interviews.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
You think Cedric's really regretting his decision to not keep
just in the twentieth time he was asked if he
wanted to keep just a nursing Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Again, I kind of.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I always realize, I'm like, I'm getting the version of
the show that they're feeding to me, And I always
know that they're feeding me a version of the show
based on who they know goes far in the show.
But I just never really got any sort of lengthy
vibes or meaningfully lengthy vibes from Cedric. So yeah, sure,
could he have made different decisions here or there whatever?
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The other thing this season just seems so much more
about the other people you previously mentioned. You know, your
your Kyle's, your Eva's, your your Joe's, and now you're
David's as well. Who obviously this you know challenge and
we could use that as a segue to the challenge
comes down to a battle of I believe it was
Captain America versus the rock was how somebody described it,
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Shaheen throw him in there as well, like these do
seem to be you know, maybe throw Mary in there
and Camilla and that those seem to be kind of
the stars of our show.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Correct me if I'm wrong. Do you do you agree
with that assessment.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah, it's definitely a little bit of a change here
in a new era that the strong, you know, the
strong has it together group here is dominating in this postseason.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Now, we got a tease of this in the I
want to I want to go back to this because
I think I said it on record last week, but
I want to really hammer it home this week because
we got a tease of this in the trailer for
this week's episode, and then it did actually pan out.
You know, I would say more so than I even
thought it might when I saw the trailer. In the trailer,
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they teased that they were going to go after Shaheen, right,
and in this episode, Shaheen was very much so the
other option at that second tribal council. If it wasn't
going to be I forget if it was or Cedric
who went home, whatever, it was going to be Shaheen.
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And we heard a little bit of the logic, and
we heard a little bit of the planning, the seeds
of how you might get there.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
It's Subjec that goes home second, because they all made
a point saying they didn't want to say it right.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So so for me, what I attributed this to or
what I thought this could be. And obviously this is
wishl thinking as well, because I have I do have.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Winter vibes from Shaheen.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
He's moving and has been moving up the winner's board
in my mind, although I said Eva early on, she's
sort of you know, her path to victory, it seems
like it has more bumps in the road until this
was Shaheen. But what I reminded myself of which they
do often, is that when someone wins the show.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
You know, last year it was Rachel.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
The season I always remember is that Nick Wilson winning
David Versus Goliath. They really make you early on in
that season. I believe it's the episode where the guy
goes home via medical evac, like, let you know how
close Nick was to going home. And I always say
that something Survivor likes to do is without really like
making it obvious. They love to show you how close
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the eventual winner or someone who at least makes the final,
you know, was to going home early. And what I
always say about this show is that they ask them
tons of questions. You know, we do see tons of conversations,
and they often cut out conversations that don't end up mattering,
right like, and so this essentially didn't end up mattering.
But they showed us these conversations. So why are you
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showing these conversations? Is it because Shaheen is going to
go home next? Or is it because Shaheen later on
is going to do very well in the game And
this is the most evidence they ever have to show
us of him being a potential target.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I agree with you on that.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
But or is it that Kyle and Camilla are playing
a really calculated game together?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah? No, and I do think I do see that too.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
And obviously it makes me, you know, look at them
as strategists, and it could, yes, have just been character
building info for them to give us for him and
for them. But I actually, in a weird way, as
much as it made him look like, uh oh, this
could be something they continue to try to do, it
actually gave me more Winter vibes for Shakim this week.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well, like I said, I've got you know.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
If you told me that the winner this season ends
up being Shaheen, Eva, Kyle, Joe, Camilla or Mary, I'm
with you. The people I think have zero shot. Oh
and I and I do get sort of finalists potentially
no vote, get her finalist vibes from Mitch, but I
don't get winter vibes for Mitch. But I do get
sort of long for the game vibe from from Mitch.
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And I really think Chrissy and Star have zero chance.
If if you if you ask me who's going next,
I'm thinking it's Chrisy or Star.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
But that's me.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I think that Kyle let's work.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I really am loveing them play this season.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
That again, Sorry, so as you say that again, you
cut out a bit. I just want to make people
get what you said.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, I really think that Kyle and Camilla this season
are doing God's work.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I'm loving watching them play.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
There's something about them together that feels really unique to
me in how incredibly on the same page they are,
how strategic they are, how subtle they are, how they
but they're like they're they're making the most of every
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choice and every moment and every conversation and every relationship
in a way doing it super subtly. It's there's something
about like watching someone play so fully but yet also
so subtly, and then to watch two people doing it
and be on the same page about it, to me
is the most exciting part of the season.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Well, now let's talk about David, because I did leave
him out of my potential winners, although he's clearly becoming
a bigger and bigger part of the season as it
goes on. He had this amazing immunity performance this week.
Looked like he could have held onto that thing for
another three days. Yea everyone, Yet I just don't see
Maybe it's because of that because he's too flashy of
a physical presence. I just don't see him as being
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able to stick it out, stick the land and get
even too that final three let alone win it.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
What do you think about him?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
I just really think in this new era, it's going
to be hard for a jury of people who love
survivor to reward the person that you know talks about how,
oh it's time to bring back like the strong, Like
the guy who's really strong should win. And maybe I'm
and maybe I'm wrong here, because maybe there's like a
backlash of that. Right, maybe there's been so many New
Era seasons in a row of sort of the underhanded
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player winning and you know, not needing to play this
kind of flashy.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Game and not needing these wins.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Although Rachel had a lot of wins last season, that
maybe there is going to be some sort you know,
I like to look at ends right with Survivor winners
and and then the reverb from those trends and sort
of like going, you know, that having like a backlash,
and so it is possible that we're heading that way,
and maybe that you know, I'm always saying they're looking
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for a new type of winner, but maybe we've like
come full circle and they're looking for an old type
of winner.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Now, yeah, I do think I just see somebody just
making a move on Dave doing the whole David's gonna
win out. I think he could probably win the next
couple immunities in a row before that happens. But I'm
getting that sort of mid season immunity king vibe from him.
Maybe Joe is the guy who spearheads that being the
other person. Maybe Joe actually it's the opposite in Joe
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season is a meat field. But you know, it's clear
this week that those are the two guys who really
take an extra level of pride in the immunity thing,
as well as being kind of each other's competition in
that regard.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
So what is the reason that Shaheen has looked at
as the like the most sketchy of the super loyal
strong players.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
They don't know how he got this reputation.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
It's probably the beard, you know. I feel like, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Do wonder if there's some bias here.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I've found when I have a beard versus when I
don't have a beard, people think I'm a little bit shadier.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I noticed when I check out at the counter, they've
got their eyes.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
On the redis a lot hotter when you have a beard.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
See you think the opposite, Well, that's it hotter but
also shadier. You're like, the shady hot guy is what
it is? You know, you know, maybe it's shady. Shaheen
has a good ring to it. Maybe that's what it
is they.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Have gotten Shaheen aty.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
It's Kyle and Kimilla and themselves in a good position here.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I mean personally, yeah, I mean, I think anytime you
can hang on to a guy like Cedric, who I
think is just dead weight, and get rid of a
guy like Shaheen, who I think that you you know,
have winter vibes from.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
But they're trying to keep the numbers right. They also
want to have the numbers.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
It's yeah, I mean, that's kind of the eternal dilemma.
And that's kind of what you always see at the end,
you know. And that's why I think this was a
glimpse of sea how close they do right decision. Yeah,
I mean, I just think that, you know, I often
sit here at home watching these things, thinking, wow, it
is so obvious that Shaheen is a bigger threat to
(18:11):
the game than Cedric. But that's because that's what they
want me to think, because he is that, you know
what I mean, And I I and again, I know,
I like talking about the edit.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
You don't like talking about the edit.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
But I also think regardless of whether you're talking about
the edit itself or the opinions that you form, I'm
willing to admit that my opinions are formed based on
what I'm seeing, what I'm hearing, and I know that
they are giving us that you know, with a lot
of hindsight in mind.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Is Mary in a good position here as the last
Bula member, the only Vulah member and therefore not a threat?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I mean always, I mean it seems like the last
person who who you know, stands the test of time
from that like, really got a lot of attention tribe
at the beginning because they were losing. Always does swell
on the show, whether that means that she wins the
show or not. It provides the best kind of, you know,
comeback story narrative that you could possibly have. We've seen
it recently with I believe Jam Jam. We saw it
(19:09):
recently with I believe it was the hairdresser what's her
name again, I'm already forgetting her name jam Jim the
other right right, the other hairdresser. We're on a hairdresser
run Henzy. So maybe to follow up the two hairdresser
to wins jam Jam and Kenzie, we get Shaheen someone
who maybe could go to a hairdresser. I think maybe.
(19:31):
But what do you think about my assessment about Star
and Chrissy having no shot? I know you've talked about
Star a little bit. You don't necessarily get long for
this game.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
We've had those private conversations in an email for him
in a group that we have our draft in because
she's my sole remaining player left and I just don't
see it for her. But I was in the minority
there and it seems like other people really did see
it for her. I just feel like they gave her
a bit of the duns At in the beginning. That
(20:01):
was unlike sort of the vibes that I got from
her in person. But it seemed like she just really
didn't have, you know, an idea of how she was
being perceived, where the alliances were, what she should do
with her information for her idle clues, and sort of
like to me, it was sort of like a dunce
(20:22):
looked at as like a Dunce move giving or like
an emotional move giving that.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Idol to Eva. But in retrospect, like people say it
was a good move.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Because you know, she kind of got it off her back.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
She looked really honest.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
She she made good with Eva here and she's not
the one that people are targeting, and she has an idol.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I have found in my travels that the internet does
not really like Eva.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
To me, that's a bit of.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I know, we have a one listener who's a big
fan of Eva, and I think on the surface, you
would think like in an alternate universe, she would be
very popular, have a lot of people ring for Yet
for some reason, she's rubbed a lot of people the
wrong way, seemingly also the cast. I don't know if
you saw, there were a couple of clips of Say's interviews.
She didn't have much to say about Eva. She implied
that Eva like strictly hung out with the guys. What
(21:21):
do you think about Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, again, like I think context, so.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
You know, that is who she's related to for most
of her life for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And social hockey player.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
So yeah, but I.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Do get I mean, as a woman, I do find
myself like, yeah, I probably would be annoyed with a
person who seemed like they were, you know, getting in
good with felt like they were one of the boys,
sort of at the expense of the females.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, that wouldn't jive well with me.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Do you think that makes her more or less of
a target in this game? Does it slightly?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
You know, take a little bit more of the target
offer back.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
That she makes less likely to win because just just
for pure jury votes, and I mean the way that
people are talking on her, it's clearly like I don't
I don't know that she's like, you know, a fan
favorite among the jury either.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So who was our first jury member? Got it?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Thank god?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Right, and we're scared of the chaos of say on
the jury.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Well, so what's interesting is when you look at who's
left in the game and you look who's on the jury.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I'm trying to look.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I mean, actually it does look a bit split as
far as you know, uh, men and women so far.
But right now, so we're kicking off the jury with
one man in Cedric.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, it's interesting. It's like, it's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I guess I don't think about how like jury management
about like having the people who like you on the
jury versus still in the game with you at the end.
Sometimes it can bite you in the butt if you
have like an alliance that does so well that you're
all still in the game at the end and can't
really vote for each other.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
So it'll be interesting to see how that develops.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
You know, how many of these people who would vote
for each other end up actually having to play their
case against each other instead of vote for each.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Other, right right, Yeah, I do though, see like the
kind of people that are in this strong Man alliance
are the kind of people that would want one of
them to win out in the end. They're those kind
of players, So I you know, you got to be
smart about who you're putting on that jury there. I
(23:43):
also want to say to Cedric. I know what we
was saying goodbye to Cedric here, who I really like
as a person, and I want to say he was
really hard on himself.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
We didn't do a podcast last week.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
He was really hard on himself about the challenges. I
know it that's been really frustrating for him. But I
think the guy should be super proud, like as somebody
who did some of these challenges, Like you know, it's
got a very abridged version of this at the Survivor
fan event. They're hard, and there must be super hard
(24:15):
when you're starving and you're hot, and you're all muddy
and you're all the things, and he's keeping up with them.
You know, he's not giving up. He's doing it, and
I just think is really proud of himself.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
In the end, Well, we just lost, say we just lost,
said we're losing. Every tense of the word. But yeah,
as I said, I mean like he's being hard on himself.
But I think he had a pretty decent run. I mean,
to be honest with you, I think the guy has
kind of like first Boot vibes, so to have made
it even this far, I think he has something to
hang his hat on. What do you say about Mitch,
because I think Mitch here, his name's been in the
(24:50):
running a few times here, and you wonder does he
now fill that Cedric role or do you do you
agree with me that you see him going further and further.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
I don't see how he fits a sedg roll at all.
I don't. I don't compare the two other than they
spoke seem like really nice guys.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
But you know, I think that's Mitch's story is scary
to people. As we've seen, his story is something he
can't hide, right, it's right out there. There's nothing he
can do to pretend that that, you know, that's not
his story. I think people really like him. There's a
lot of confessionals. There's a lot of talk about how
likable Mitch is. He's likable to us as a viewer,
(25:27):
and he's clearly really likable to the players out there.
Top of that, he's got this great story, and so
I do think he's a threat in that sense. But
I think to some degree and getting rid of Chrissy,
I almost think that that helps him in a way.
I'm not Chrissy, and getting rid of Charity, I almost
(25:49):
think that in a way that that may have helped
propel him a little bit further in this game, because
I do think he's a lone wolf right now.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Now, what do you think about Mitch's stutter as potentially
being like the whole story narrative of we have to
get Mitch out because he's got this great story overcoming
that obviously the great moment with Jeff earlier, things like
that DA has.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
A similar story, right.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Sure, Yeah, I mean because that's the one thing.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Because so for me, it's like as a player, and
I do think this is this is sort of underrating him,
because I do think he is someone not to be
definitely not to be underestimated. I do think there's more
to his game than people would assume. But I do
think as a player so far within the construct of
this game, and seeing how often his name has thrown
out there.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
So far, similar to like a Romeo.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I do kind of have him pegged as like a
third seat, no vote getter finalist. However, I do wonder
does the story does overcoming the adversity, you know, does
all that maybe make up for a little bit of
that and make him not necessarily a zero vote vote
get or finalist and someone that you might not want
to give that third seed too.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Right, I hear what you're saying, like, if.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
You're in this game, who do you want?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Like, let's just ask you this, right because to me,
I think there's a lot of strong players left in
the game.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Right, I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Chrissy.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
And Starr off the table, okay, because I think they're
easy answers. Who would you if you're lindsay you're in
this game, okay, who would you most like to sit
next to? Knowing what you know as a viewer. So
let's say like you're on the island and you're as
perceptive as we are as viewers about everyone's game, their narrative,
their trajectory, all that stuff as we are now, and
(27:29):
you plug yourself into this game, who would you think
you had the best chance in a final three with?
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Well, it's really hard because like, as a viewer, I'm
seeing things so differently than the players out there, and
it depends on how I think people would be able
to convey that to a jury. I think I would
want to sit next to a David. Honestly, in this
day and age, I think I would want to be
able to sit next to a David and be like,
I don't one challenge is.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I don't think it's a bad answer, yep. And then
and then who else you got to pick?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Two?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Well, I think, like, hmm, that's interesting. I I you know, yeah,
I think like Mitch is maybe being perceived as like
not since he was an under since he was sort
of left out of the alliance, a core alliance on
his starting tribe and didn't really have a you know,
didn't realize that he was Like I think there's a
good case to be made that like, yeah, he was
(28:31):
really likable, but like didn't maybe have his finger on
the pulse of what was going on.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Okay, all right, So just so your two picks, what
if I included Christian Starr?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, I mean I would probably pick those two.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, all right, last thing let's get out of here,
is keep this snackable. We don't have any questions, by
the way, because wasn't sure if we're we're going to.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Get this in. We did. You're welcome, survivor maniac. Who
do you think is going home next?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
And and do you agree with me overall that it's
feeling like Chrissy your star or do you think there's
someone else there you throwing there?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Okay, well let's see who's so we have this alliance
right now? Right, it's Camilla, it's Kyle, it's David, it's Shaheen,
it's Joe, it's Eva, six right, and then everyone left
is Chrissy, Star, Mitch, Mary?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Am I missing anyone here?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
All right? I got it in front of me.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Shaheen, Eva, Joe, Camilla, David, Chrissy Star, Mary, Mitch.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
That's what we've got left in the game.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, so six and four ten people left? Right?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Okay, so there's clearly like a strong six although there's
been seeds planted that people want to turn on Shaheen.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Whether that works or not, who's to say.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
I think like once that blows up, might see the
end of that alliance, because you know, depending on how But.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Does that make sense? To do here now that we're
back to the larger.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Tribe and now you're competing with the Hey, if we
try to pull that and they want to, they do.
They now have the numbers to do something else, you
know what I mean. Like it was the time to
do that, and was the reason that even came up
(30:29):
when it was the Like, I.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Think that Kyle and Camilla are really smart and they
realize that, like the only way to pull this off
and not blow up this majority alliance is to make
it seem like the treat that Shaheen had that justifies
it is that he was disoil right, and so like,
if they can somehow continue to paint that picture, they
can keep this alliance and just get rid of Shaheen.
(30:50):
If it's if it's their call, if it's if it's
them that are doing it, if the word gets back
and their plan works, if they can pin it on
him being disoiled. Otherwise this alliance is strong. This is
why this alliance is strong, because we are the loyal,
honest people, then they have a chance of going to
the end with it.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I'm going to say, David wins immunity again, and I'm
going to say that we lose Chrissy or Star. So
that's my formal prediction. Thank you guys, Do you have
anything else before we go?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
That's it. We'll get this to you so you know
next time.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Hopefully bye good shop.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
He's please.
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