Survivor Mania: Episodes 8 & 9

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
What's up Survivor Maniacs. Scott and Lindsay here making a
pattern out of this two episode banger of a podcast.
We did it for six, seven, six seven, now we're
doing it eight, nine, eight nine. Here to talk about
episodes eight and nine of Survivor season forty nine. Lindsey,
how's it going? Happy Monday?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I was playing pickleball this morning and the score was
six seven at one point, and I played with like
seventy and eighty year olds often, and everyone was like,
you gotta say it, you gotta say it six seven.
So it's really become universally known at this point.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, I'll be honest, like, I literally have no idea
what it means. I didn't, you know, see it grow
into a phenomenon, but it is a phenomenon that even
our little kids know about. So all right, what would
you rate this sea so far as six to seven six? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
You know, Jeff really promised here that we were going
to get some exciting but I do not I do
not know if this is what he meant. Maybe there's
maybe it's it's still to come next episode.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
I need I need to because I would feel disingenuous
if I didn't admit this. I made it all the
way till last week without knowing for certain who the
two CAP members were that will be appearing on season fifty.
I now do know who they are. I made it
all this way without knowing for sure. Again, I was

(01:46):
sort of reading through the tea leaves, kind of trying
to figure it out on my own, and and now
based on some some tweets and things like that, I
ibade him know who the two are. I just want
to say, though, I because I just want to cover
this decision they made to in fact leave two spots
open and include two people from season forty nine. I

(02:08):
get maybe where their thought process was about, like them
worrying it would make the season not matter to just
flat out say, hey, no one from this season is
gonna be on fifty. But I think they made a
big mistake, even at the very best. I was annoyed
watching this when I didn't know, but I found myself
trying to figure it out. I found myself sort of

(02:29):
spiting everyone and knowing that two people make it unfifty.
I'm watching all of them being like, who could possibly
be that good? See anyone that good thus far? And
I wish I could have just had this season be
a palate cleanser, where I could know they made the
decision before they started filming, which almost opens it up
to many Two people from this season were so good

(02:50):
that hypothetically they'd be on season sixty or seventy, but
for fifty it just doesn't make sense. So, in the
same vein of being annoyed that Kyle and Camilla and
Joe and all these newer cast members got a lot
of these spots that maybe some of the beloved veterans
could have had, I am doubly annoyed that they went
with it for the season because it has drastically affected
my ability to enjoy it, and now that I know

(03:12):
for sure, it's also affected my ability to cover it
and to be able to talk about it. Genuinely made
predictions like that, and I know now it's funny. It's like,
you know, say you take ten Survivor fans, I'm now
seven of them average out there, seven out of ten
people have watched this entire season knowing that, and probably

(03:33):
you know, made their picks in our Survivor draft on
Patreon based on that and good And here's the thing,
it doesn't mean that one of the two people win, right,
because that's not necessarily the case, you know, because I've
seeing people not win and still go on to fifty.
But we've also seen people win and go on to
fifty like d and Kyle did. So all it does
is it kind of, in my opinion, affects your ability

(03:54):
to talk about the show the show, enjoy the show,
watch the show. I think it was a big misfire.
I think it's part of the reason that a lot
of people are down on the season. But it has
really negatively impacted my ability to enjoy the season, and
I don't think this season stands on its own to
surpass that. Like, in spite of that, it's still been great,
it's been subpar, and when you throw that onto it, man,

(04:15):
has just been annoying.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
So I know, look, let me ask you this, Scott, Yeah,
do you feel like now that you know who's on
and we're not we are not going to spoil in
case some people still do not know who's on season fifty,
But in general, do you feel like, you know, knowing
who is on next season makes you assume that they're
going to go far in the season, right, because like

(04:36):
they have to have made a big impression that you know,
we assume that they get at least to merge, if
not much further. Do you feel like at this point
in the season, you're like, I could see it doesn't
spoil anything because like whoever is on season fifty has
at this point had enough time to make an impression
that it doesn't indicate they're going to go further than

(04:57):
at this point.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Well, I mean it's a layered thing, like just outright, like,
for instance, I think Kyle did play an awesome game
on forty eight, right, but like if that's the bar,
and I'll say, I'll say this, like I even think
I mean, d I think played a better game on
Survivor was a forty five, And like, you know, I'm
not like so mad that she's on. I just think
having winners probably not a great idea if you're only

(05:20):
going to have a couple and they're only going to
be newer winners. So it's like, to me, though, was
it so iconic of a game that he needed to
be on fifty?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
No?

Speaker 1 (05:30):
And so for me it's like I'm just again, so
far twelve episodes in or whatever? No sorry, episodes in
so far? No one has played a nine episode season
game that I think is worth again. And again the
bar is high for me because I really don't want
anyone playing this recently to play again on Survivor season fifty.

(05:51):
I just think that was a bad decision. So for me,
the bar something so good on this season that they
needed to be on fifty is above like being a
great character and winning. It's like an insurmountable thing. So
nine episodes in, certainly no one has done that, not
that many, nine episodes into a season, but like.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Still a spoiler because you feel like you know those
two people are still going further.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
It's less about the spoiling of the oh this is
who wins? Oh No, it spoils my ability to in
in like you know, genuine unbiased spoiler free form. It
spoils my ability to wholeheartedly say I think this is
going to happen, because that added knowledge, although maybe isn't

(06:37):
the end all be all, does feed some of the
predictions you might be making or lack thereof. So there's
that so not being able to cover it in uh justly,
I keep looking for this word, like what was word
like a honorably not being able to make predictions honorably
is annoying for me to talk about the show, which
like that, coupled with a ton of travel lately, is

(06:58):
kind of why we've been letting episodes go by the
here is because a I've been traveling a lot, that's
that happens. And then also it isn't a season I'm
like rushing to talk about on a podcast because I
feel the need to. And only recently did I find
yourself there for me, even when it was even when
it was in the ether. Though, it's like, I feel
weird covering a season and because again I like with Survivor.

(07:21):
What I love about it is that, in contrast to
the challenge where spoiler alert, I do know what happens
and I kind of have to artfully sort of still
cover the show while knowing what happened. I never know
what happens on Survivor. Ever, with few exceptions where maybe
I see a tweet where I don't really know until
the end that oh that tweet was a spoiler, I
have no idea what happens on Survivor. So I love
being able to predict things on Survivor take credit for

(07:44):
predictions when they're true. Uh, just letting you know that, Like,
you know, when I do, like on Challenge MAINI it's
almost the opposite. I'm like predicting things that are never
like dead on because I don't want it to be
that someone goes off. You knows, why do you just
spoil that on the podcast? Because I was thinking so far.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
But now knowing that's like a spoiler for people who
listen to your podcast.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get. I'm just being honest many
people here because I want them to know that when
I'm predicting something on Cybermania, you are genuinely hearing a
person who thinks, based on what they've seen on the show,
that this is going to happen. And because I want
the credit of oh you figure that out by watching
the show. Now you figure that actually knew it was

(08:25):
going to happen, and you're just like you're treating us
all like fools. So so there's that. And then secondly,
again really to enjoy the show, I am watching everyone
through the lens of that right like and again, it
is an insurmountable thing to accomplish because, as I said,
Kyle could have probably done nothing more than what he
did for me to have said Oh, you know what,

(08:46):
I'm glad Kyle's on there and not Davy or you know,
really could not have done anything more for me to
for you know, honor to Kelly Wentworth or whatever. I
just think the way that they did Survivor fifty with
you know, heavily wigading it to not just New Era
but very like forty five and after New Era and
winners of the New Era, I just think that's not

(09:06):
how I would go with it. So just kind of
knowing that it's plaguing this season, coupled with the awkwardness
of how it just makes it awkward to cover and
predict stuff, I just again, this season could have maybe
maybe made up for that if it was like really
good with the drama, really good with the characters, really
good with the gameplay. But but it hasn't been that either.

(09:27):
It's been a pretty cookie cutter. So and we we
we we talked about why that is. It kind of
goes to the catting, It kind of goes to the
you know, the new era positivity of everything whatever that is.
Like I hear people calling Savannah a villain. Okay, the
other day.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
You're getting labeled with mean girl energy. I don't get it.
What has she done?

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Well, it's just like I hear this like I don't
want it. I don't want to hear it. I don't
want to hear anymore. Savannah's really a villain. It's like, uh,
if that's what's now, come on, I don't think you
know what the word somebody.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
She's a woman in she's confident, like I don't get like,
I get it. She's like a beautiful confident woman and she,
you know, is like she really tries to charm people.
And I get it. But what like her based on
her actions, like what has she done or said that

(10:20):
is mean or hurtful to anyone? I think that's just
vibes they are going off of.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
I mean, and that's the thing that vibe is not
villain is like villainous tactics, lying, stealing.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Villain saying like villainous vibe. It's like, no, it's not
villainous vibe. It's like confident vibe. Like it's not like
she's it's not like anyone thinks that she's actually done
or said anything. It's just her confidence. It really was.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
But with Jeff, it's like sometimes I wish like I
don't know how to submit questions to the Survivor on
Fire podcast. But it's like he often will like asking
in which kind of prime him to give his rebuttal
to like an ongoing Survivor discourse, like, for instance, that
we don't cast villains, you know, is Party's win on
Australia a real win whatever? And he always picks the

(11:16):
version of the question that like still allows him to
give his response that doesn't. It's like, we know, Jeff
that you still think that whatever villains we're getting now
is like still like villain ree or whatever you want
to call it. But it's just like the goalposts have
moved where it's like, no, you used to ask legitimately

(11:40):
bad people. You cast John Buck, You cast the baseball player,
a journeyman middle reliever. I believe it was a starter.
Literally was famous for one thing, and one thing only,
saying something racist about the city of New York. That's
why that's what he's known for. That is why he's famous.
And literally, you guys go, what actually we put on

(12:03):
Survivor And again, more power to you more. The reason
you've been in there is because you wanted to see
how we all gett to this social express in the show,
and I'll be out to the show. He didn't come
off as bad as his previous comments were. I'm sure
there's people who watched him on the show. He's got
a huge following now just again doubling down on that
same racism and things like that. But Natalie Anderson figured

(12:25):
out who he was put him in his place, and
that was an iconic moment for her on the show.
That's how you used to cast, and that's how you
found Russell Hans, and that's how you found my good
friend Johnny Fairplay, and Johnny Fairplay is iconic for making
up a fake of a failing member and all this stuff.
And now you don't go out of the way to
pass offense bad people or people who present as bad

(12:49):
in the traditional sense. What we now have to settle
for is like people who are like a little bit sneaky,
or like maybe a little bit like putting themselves first,
or like we'll admit in a confessional that they want
somebody out, like Shan or whatever new era villain reads
what we're talking about. We're talking about the uh shod
and freud of But reality TV was thirty years. For

(13:12):
the first thirty years, which was we had allowed bad
people on TV, so it made us feel better about
being like savannahs. I in no way see her as
a villain at all. I don't even think she's playing

(13:33):
like a villain. I guess her eyes are kind of
like I don't know, right.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Like like I think it's like very sincere thing where
she's like very confident but very sweet, and that combination
sometimes like she it comes across. I think people think
it's like disingenuous, like she's just like she's talking confidently
but but sweetly. Does that make sense? And I think

(13:58):
that that is that throws people off. She had a
lot of confidence doing the villain.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Has ever had the story about her getting bullied by
the other coworkers and this and that. That's not a
villain story. That's it, you know what I mean. That's
like a hero's.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
That's literally a villain origin story. What are you talking about?
That's like how every like super villain, it's like, you know,
there's something bad happened in their life.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Okay, fine, But my point is that the way she
presents it is from a very vulnerable place, like by
the way she's a newscaster. It's not like, oh I
was a supermodel. So my friend's disbanded me, Like, since
when is newscast? By the way, I'm wrong, but I
don't think she was like a newscaster for E or
something like. I think she's like a local newscaster. Like
I'm sorry, Like, is that some extravagant job that we're

(14:44):
not allowed to tell people about or whatever? So I like,
what's funny is the thing that she glossed over actually
was that people were ostracizing her because she like took
somebody else's job. Now, in a weird way, that is
something that if you're like that other person's friend who
had their job taken, that's like maybe I wish we
could lead more, but.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
It's not her fault. It's not her fault. It's the
decision maker's fault.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Right, Well, I mean would be nice if they cast
that person too, that would have been a.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Really I mean, you could like not be that person.
You know, her best friend, but you don't have to.
I don't have to ostracize her and make her feel
excluded from her workplace, like you know, clearly it's something
that affected her. Clearly she has some PTSD from it.
It seems like she's gonna. You know, despite that, like
she was using it to bond with people, to share

(15:29):
with Sophie, and that brought them closer together. But now
it seems like she's starting to I think that happens
a lot where people like, you know, lie about something
to start then once they they begin opening up to
someone and it kind of just you know, it's from there,
it just keeps going. So it seems like she may
be starting to to be more and more open about it.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Okay, so let's get to some of these questions we got.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
What did you think about her confidence to say she's
not dropping. I mean, she was right in that challenge,
she didn't. It's a poverty move. But I you know,
it's interesting because she was saying it to Sophie, to
sop who's like, uh, you know, one of her if
not like her main ally in this game at this point,

(16:15):
like uh, oh't know Sophie. She was saying it to
SOF Sophie right, Oh my god, I still can't get
their names. She was saying it to Sophie, who is
one of her allies. I would say, maybe her her top,
like her third down ally, and so maybe that is
why I came across maybe if she was saying it
to someone that she like, really was not aligned with,

(16:39):
but it felt like she was weirdly like pushing for
Sophie not to win.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, here's what I'll say. So, you know, these last
two episodes, we lost larger characters from the first half
of the season in MC, who, as we know, was
an alternate and you know, I'd been talked about a
lot on this podcast as well as Alex Right, Alex
obviously one of the stars of the first few episodes,
in particular because it's him and Blue Sophie who really
survived that pegonging, and we always say that those people

(17:09):
end up being big characters. I did see them kind
of shadow editing Alex over the past few weeks, which
told me like, Okay, maybe he's not long for this game.
Maybe we got so much of him early because of
that and not necessarily him being you know, important down
the stretch. MC. I never really saw it either. You
know a lot of people thought, oh, is she a
potential winner? This, that and the other thing. I always

(17:31):
kind of saw her as maybe being this you know,
mid season boot obviously, with someone is a physical threat
like she is, that comes into play also, So neither
of these boots surprised me. Did either surprise you based
on how much of them we had gotten in the
first six episodes?

Speaker 2 (17:45):
No, not at all. And they feel like I can
like predict down the stretch what's gonna happen next.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Well, And that's that's why I feel the need to
say that. Literally up until this was on fifty but
now because like I said, I did, I did read that,
and I have had it confirmed and everything. I'm not
going to be making too many predictions. I'll read questions.
You guys have predictions this, that, whatever. But because I
do feel the need to draw the line between what

(18:14):
is the deal with survivor versus the deal with the challenge? Why? Selfishly,
I want the credit when I am right, that's honestly.
Why Why how can I ever get the credit when
I'm right if I'm also sometimes doing it nefariously?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
So yeah, you know, it's I think there's like a
little bit of room here for it to be interesting.
You know, on paper, you could say like it's it's
four verse four in some ways, but I just think
that there's a lot of moving part. I mean, there's
like it's like clearly Christina and Steven on one side
clearly like Rizzo Savannah and Sophie so funny other and

(18:50):
then like I think Sophie, Sage and Juwan like our
little bit middle ground here. But it seems like Sophie's
going with the Rizzo Savannas trio. So you know, in
some ways you could say, like maybe this will be interesting.
It's like four four, but we know that one side
has all of the advantages left in the game and

(19:12):
so or not all. I guess Christina has just found
an idol, So she's got an idol too, that could
be interesting. Maybee has something really interesting this tribal council.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, and look, okay, look like you said, Jeff's been
teasing it all season. You know, maybe maybe there is
some fireworks to come. You know. Again though it's like
fool me one, shame on me fully twice. Whatever it is,
boy who cried wolf, the host who cried amazing season.
You know, uh, there's just not a world in which

(19:43):
anyone ever says, look, I'm gonna be honest the seasons. Okay,
you know, so so it's like U, I look, I
get a good stretch on here. I'll say that you know,
it does feel as if I'd been kind of saying
this all season that like the more interesting players and
personalities are left in the game. So that's good. Sets
up for a nice few episodes here down the stretch,

(20:04):
I should say. By the way, today is Monday, November
twenty fourth. If you live in the Philadelphia area, Tomorrow night,
November twenty fifth is Survivor Night at the Philadelphia seventy
six ers games. There's going to be a ton of
Survivors there. They're gonna be doing, you know, pregame stuff
on the court, receiving some honors, things like you buy
the special ticket that they've been posting Bryce and Wendell

(20:28):
have been posting, you get to mingle with them and
meet and greet with them at happen like Survivor winners
like Kyle and Wendell and Ozzie is now and just
I think it's like, you know, thirteen fifty tons, way
more cast members than I told him he was allowed
to bring, are going to be there. So and I'm
going as well, driving down with Brock. So if you've

(20:49):
ever wanted to meet Brock, you can come meet Rock tomorrow.
They have their own event on Wednesday their viewing party
and stuff. But it is Thanksgiving week. I get it.
People might have other plans. So this be a way
if you are unable to attend the thing when Wenesday
to meet A large chunk of them will be at
the Sixers game Borrow and they play uh they play

(21:09):
the Magic which and they're pretty good teams and the
Sixers are pretty good year. So away, back to the
uh okay, back to the game. All right, let's talk
about Rizzo here, because Rizzo got this idol in his

(21:30):
pocket should be burning the whole.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
In three tribal councils of everyone knowing about Rizzo's idol
and him not playing it.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Are we now giving him credit for not playing it?
Or should we be annoyed that they are not?

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Like she goes home, We're like, what an idiot?

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Right?

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Like That's where it's hard. It's like, I feel like,
had he gone home any of the last three episodes,
we all would been like, he.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Had an idol, why would he do that?

Speaker 2 (21:56):
But now we're like, this is great game play, good
for him. Like it's just you know, it's hard to
judge here.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
I will say again, it's like to go back to
everything hanging over this season. It's like, I just I'm
I'm looking more at the bad gameplay of the other
players than him being savvy for not playing it.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
And letting him do this.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, and I don't even really look It's like I
respect someone being able to hang on to an idol,
especially if they can like reveal that they had it
the whole time. Kind of a thing. Though, It's like
I necessarily give him props for not playing it because,
in a weird way, even though he hasn't needed to
play it, I feel like he should needed to play it,

(22:41):
and thus he should have played it. So it's like
he's looking into having made the right decision, even though
I think it has been the bad decision, you know, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
I mean I think Jeff always yeah, exactly, And I
mean like, but then it's like, well, if it's the
right decision, then like maybe he's into it, Like maybe
we have to give credit to his intuition. He's super intuitive.
He understands what's going on. He can read people's body language,
like he knows where they're gonna vote and who's being
honest with him, and so like, you know, it's hard
to say. It's like Yeah, he's doing it right. Clearly

(23:11):
it's worked for him, So like do we do we
credit is intuition, and like Jeff always says that to
win Survivor, you gotta take some risks, right, So like
he's clearly been brave enough to like take some risks
when the easy thing to do would have been play
that idol as soon as you knew you were you
were on the chopping block, let's get you good, Sophie.

(23:33):
I think this is like, I think we should give
some credit to to soph here. Oh my goodness, this
is really like I think they did not expect that.
Sof and Sophie we're gonna be like in a Final
four alliance with each other here, but I think we
have to give her credit that you know, she's also

(23:53):
while she's allied with Rizzo, she is not She's making
sure that Rizzo's not voted out here or that the
not only that, but that the idol is not flushed
because I think it's in her benefit not to let
it go back in the game, because she knows where
it is and she has the knowledge's power, right, So

(24:14):
like worse comes do us you get down in the end,
Like she knows where the idol is is better than
she gets down to it. And she doesn't know where
the idol is. Anyone it went back in the game,
anyone could have gotten it and it you know, Thus
her advantage is useless.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
I just you know, to me, it's like I think
some people get stage fright to actually vote for someone
they have who has the idol, because it's almost you know,
if they play the idol, then now you have to
be you have to be certain that everyone did the
right thing, didn't like you know, mess up one or
two other votes, and then hope that like no one

(24:55):
else put your down. Like you know, I feel like
everyone just gets stage fright. Okay, let's legitimately flush. They
hope they can magically flush the idol. Like it's, oh,
it's so obvious person they're gonna play.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Something to be said about like everyone about like having
the idol out in the open, everyone knowing you have it.
The power of that is right that like people are
so scared of you playing it, and then they're being
like one vote and just having no control whatsoever of
that of how who Rizzo's gonna put down if he
uses his idol And so You're right that people like

(25:30):
would rather just take like the safe bet this one
time and they forget, Like if you just do that
too many times in a row, then what's the point,
you know? So and like this time, why not put
the votes on Rizzo knowing that he's voting like even
if like he's that's right, and he's voting for Alex,
like now like you know where he's voting, right, So

(25:51):
why not if you're gonna vote Alex out anyways and
you don't care he's expendable enough, Like, why not put
the votes on Rizzo knowing that he's voting for Alex,
you know, then then he uses his idol, Alex still
goes home. It's the same result, and now you flush
the idol, like for people like Steven and Christina, you know,
that seems like the move here. I guess like maybe

(26:11):
Joan and Sage don't want to like want to continue
to pretend like they're playing in the middle here, but
it seems like you could at least flush this title here.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Well that's what Matt says. Matt says, I do not
get it. No voting for Rizzo for the time and
keeps his idol. Can you make any sort of decent
argument of letting him have continual immunity just seems like
a scared and terrible game for those outside of Rizzo's trio.
I think that's the key thing. Rizzo has enough people
on his side where the people are worried that if
they miss time, if you miss the split, if your

(26:44):
math is off, whatever, and everyone puts the votes on
you or what have you, that you get caught in
the crossfire with that idol getting played. Because sometimes I
think here's the other thing. When someone does play an idol,
sometimes part of playing that idol is you know, you
have the power of knowing that every vote on you
is going to be is going to and thus is

(27:05):
that when you that it often comes with a blind
side of like, and we're gonna put all our votes
on this person who probably didn't put enough votes on
this person because they wanted to flush the idol and
they had to split. So ye.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
The other the other thing to think about is like,
like I said, like, I think that Joan and Sage
like have somehow managed just based on like you know
what I mean, should give them some credit, have managed
to maintain their relationship with their original tribe while also
clearly being against the people from their original tribe, like
they've been able to play the middle, go back and forth,

(27:40):
like not totally uh go against those people. And so
I think that Joan and Sage are like a little
bit protective of that positioning, even though clearly they want
Savannah out. You know, they're they're they're all about getting
Savannah out. But they've been able to for whatever reason,

(28:00):
the way that the votes have gone, they've been able
to like not blow up their spot there.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Well, Okay, Diana says, did Sage and Juwan give all
their power away by voting out Rizzo? I guess maybe
they mean Alex. I don't think Alex was that messy,
or maybe does she mean Rizzou because they voted for Rizzeou. Anyway,
Alex was that messy, and with Savannah's extra vote and
Yellow Sophie switching side, there's a slim chance of Rizzo

(28:26):
or his idol getting it out in the future. Okay,
I think I understand that, do you?

Speaker 2 (28:31):
So Juwan and Sage voted I thought it was Christina,
so Jiwan and Sage voted for for Alex. This time
it was Christina and Steven New Right.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
So maybe maybe this is meant to read, did Sage
and Juwan give away all their power by voting out Alex?

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I think yeah, I mean I think they did.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
I think they I'm gonna okay, here's a prediction. Here's
a prediction. Here's a prediction of day because and this
goes to like it. So, I wonder if when Rizzo
does play idle eventually, does he not even play it
on himself? You know, is he able to use for
someone else? You know, does he even maybe have immunity

(29:13):
he's able to use it on someone else? Or does
he use it but he uses it maybe on Savannah
or something like that? You know. Obviously holding onto it
is great gameplay, but it's not exciting gameplay, you know.
So timing of the idol, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Think it's really exciting, Like you know how how it's
like the game of like you know, it's like when
you're at the when you're like, you know, playing some
sort of a game at the casino, and like like
are you going to keep upping the hand like you've won?
You know, you've won three times in a row. Are
you going to like push your lock and go for
a fourth time? Like that's exciting.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Interesting. See, I think like going for two is exciting,
not like not going for two or like you know, uh,
you know, you know what I mean, like doing the things,
not doing the thing. I think, Matt, here's a good question,
Matt says, Scott lindsay, I'm wondering what players you're both
connecting with and for the most part just are rooting for.

(30:11):
And personally I'm rooting for Juwan and Rizzo and Savannah
that duo. So uh what Yeah, what players are we
connecting to the most? Are we connecting with? Anyone here.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Connecting with? I mean, I think I really like I
like the Rizzo Savannah dynamic, Like I think it's it's
you know, I don't necessarily know if these two people
would be friends in the real world. I think Rizzo
is super likable, and I think like him being bold
is fun to root for, and I think like them

(30:52):
being talked about in a way that people want to
get rid of them. It's fun to see them persevere,
even if it's like, even if the reason is that
maybe people are not people are not playing a great game, Like,
you know, I think it's fun to root for these
two people. I think obviously soph has had, like you know,
this this story of perseverance where she's you know, went

(31:15):
to every tribal council and you know, hasn't had a
lot of necessarily good fortune in the game, and she's
super likable as well. And so the fact that like
all these people are coming together and working together, like, yeah,
I think it's it's pretty easy to root for them,

(31:36):
but I don't know if that means I don't know
if that means connect. I don't necessarily connect with them
that I'm rooting. I'm enjoying watching them succeed.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
And again, I'm not trying to be negative Nate here,
but it's like, I mean, you know how you go
into life and and there's just you're entering a scenario
and something at prevents you from wanting to or being
able to connect with anyone. Right. And that's not to
say there's there's none instance where people prove you wrong
or people overcome those preconceived notions. But like for me,

(32:10):
this was one of those seasons where I was like, man,
I know two people from this season are going on fifty.
Wouldn't have been my call. Not only am I annoyed
by the decision. But also now it's like I'm just
looking at all these people and I'm like, am I
seeing at anybody who? Yeah, who I connect with? Who
I love to that degree. I'll just say, and this
has nothing to do with me knowing who is Arizona fifty.

(32:31):
I'm just talking about on a connection level, on a
character level, and people who I think have kind of
jumped off the screen circumstance aside, so like not necessarily
because they found an idol or one an immunity or
blah blah blah blah blah blah. I think Sage is
the one who kind of feels like a like quintessential
character who's kind of like, you know, she's in I
don't know if it's her movie. I don't know if

(32:52):
it's someone else's movie, and she's the best friend, she's
the sidekicks, the adversary, whatever it is, but like she's
in a movie, you know, which is what I like
about her now as a game player. I don't know if
she has that to add to her character, but it's
like connecting with the character thinking it's someone that I
haven't seen on the shore. I would probably her first.

(33:17):
After her maybe i'd go, you know, but I saw
the poverty stuff Savanna. You know, it's almost like I
also don't know. I mean with that was like we
forget that. There's a lot of to Parverty's first few
seasons where she was like very whether she was actually

(33:38):
prisk she was like definitely using her sexuality to like
make bonds promisedcuity. Yes, she was like, I mean, come on,
it's a hot ub scene in uh in.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Uh promiscuous, She's I would say, flirty.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Flirty, sure, whatever the word is. Sorry, Okay, you get
my point. My point is like that is not present
at all in Savannah's character, game, relationship status, anything, right.
I think with her like a conon woman who looks
like Parvety, who has striking facial figures, who can you know,

(34:16):
stare daggers through when she wants to whatever, and she
devastates the confidence and she went immunities to do that.
But there's a big element of what made poverty poverty,
especially again during those early seasons that that now is
not necessarily as much of a part of her game
as she starts going back married with kids, et cetera. Fine,
but part of what made her initially the iper or

(34:41):
whatever the fuck and being able to like, you know,
woo men into doing things for giving hers or giving
other people idols or whatever and stuff like that was
that flirtation and that.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Element because I just need to be a little lescent,
which is promiscuous having many sexual partners. And I think
you're sure you're accurately You're right.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Okay, yeah, Okay. I don't mean she like you know,
went okay her race with everybody. But I mean is
that she flirted and used her sexuality to her advantage
in a good way, okay, like many players have, but
she probably like the player who has done it the
best and most iconically right, and Savannah doesn't do that

(35:25):
at all, right, and in fact, not a lot of
people in the New era really do that at all.
That is another thing sort of missing from the new era?
Am I right? Like is the new era?

Speaker 2 (35:36):
And that Austin you know, I don't think she was
like necessary not.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Perfectly great example d D did this, yes, great example did.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Like I don't think that was her I don't think
that that was her goal. I think like they had
a connection and she used it to her advantage.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
I mean, look, she came on the challenge, and she
doked up with two guys by episode three, So I
think my point has been proved. But here's here's what
I'll say. I don't hate him because this guy Will,
this guy Will. She had she had maybe not maybe
gone too parf no in before Johnny in the hotel,
and then when she got in the house and started

(36:15):
flirting with Johnny, the Will guy goes nuts and starts
punching the wall and shit like that. So yeah, but anyway,
she uses it to her advantage. She uses that flirtation
to her advantage. She has been very outspoken about that.
She said it on podcasts, she says it in interviews.
She uses that to her advantage and used it.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
I think she would have probably won either way, but
certainly used it on her Survivor season, which a lot
of people consider her to be the best modern winner.
And I would say that something also that comes with
best Modern Winner is that entertainment value of that right
and having a relationship built in as well. And it
wasn't just a strategy strategy strategy.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I think I'm going with Kyle for best Modern Winner.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Let me say this, though, I felt like he had such.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
A clear like path with like her majority, and there
was like I guess, I guess you could say that
for Kyle too. There were like a lot of strong
players working together and so like the credit like gets
dispersed a little bit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
I also just think that so so yeah, I mean,
and obviously I think you would say that like down
the stretch of d season, since she was she was
essentially doing Final Tribe but with someone who was part
of her alliance, that she was set up to have
a better narrative than in Austin. And I forget who's
the who's the third seat with them? I'm trying to remember.

(37:37):
I don't know, but but yes, I mean, they all
made it very far and whatnot. And the thing is
with Kyle is that he makes it to the end
with Joe and an Eva who had you know, it's
it's almost like they were the side of the other one.
So it's almost it's almost like Joe and Eva were

(37:57):
this like you know, by the end of it, everyone's
so old. Imagine people there were kind of over them too,
people watching kind of open, and Kyle got to be
the guy who got to the end and was able
to stand out among them, right, So it's almost like
what you're saying is that like, if there was a
Kyle on the D season, you know, maybe you know
what I mean, maybe that person could have won that season.
But there was no real Kyle on that season. If

(38:18):
there was, I forget who was. Either way, my point
is this recently, did you see Krinne from I believe
gabone is her season, Yeah, and I think she played
again as well. She said something about how like they
don't cast hot people or sexy people whatever, blah blah blah. Right,
And I disagree with that sentiment because I've seen a
lot of people post pictures of like, for instance, this

(38:40):
cast and say look how hot these six people are
or whatever. And I agree that, like, yeah, you can
find like good looking people on all of these casts, right,
But I do agree with her. I do agree with
her and that it is very like, for whatever reason,
the sexuality of it has been kind of stripped of Survivor,
both from the people playing and the way they play

(39:00):
and the way they interact with each other. And again,
maybe it's it's the uh, maybe it's the length of
the season, who knows what it is. Maybe more people
are coming in wifed up or whatever. Uh maybe social
media obviously is somebody that hangs over it more than
it did back in the day. Who knows, But either way,
I will say it is definitely a fact. And this
is where I agree with her. I would just phrase
it differently that like, there's that sexuality relationships. Is that

(39:24):
other than the few things you can point out, like
the Dan Austin situation is almost completely absent from the
forty one to forty, right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Like, yeah, I mean like I'm trying to think when.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Was like.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
No forty one and up? So like I yes, I
like a little bit of like Figgy and whoever, thirties
the thirties, but I'm talking about I'm talking and Franny.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
What about Franny?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
And so let me so so I hate so Matt
and Franny, so let me so so. Let me use
them as a really I'm going to try to choose
my words wisely because they both seem like phenomenal people
and I'm sure they're happily in love. But that, I think,
in a nutshell is kind of like what Corinne is
like maybe articulating in kind of a little brash er

(40:15):
way and whatnot. Maybe a meaner way is that is
that like that's kind of like the new era version
of quote unquote romance and sexuality and whatever that we
get on the show, which again is like again, I
ship them great. I hope they're doing well living in
Brooklyn or whatever.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I don't think anyone's ever watched Survivor for the sexuality
of it.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Oh see, I disagree. I think Survivor. I think early Survivor.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Was very more like seventy eighty year old people on
this on the show.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
So you got here, Well, we have listeners that I
want to see. Here's what we can do. We can
ask the Survivor maniacs. Here's what we can do. We

(41:07):
can ask the Survivor maniacs. Comment on Patreon, or you
can hit us up on social media at Scott and
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x I'm at shot of Yeger on x or you
can comment on on Patreon. I'll relay your sentiments to
Lindsay let us know, because here's what I'm saying. I'm
not saying anyone.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Watching people watching Survivor because I want to see hot people.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
No, I think that you're doing the thing where you're
you're making it like no, no, and in no way,
shape or form or do I think people are watching
Survivor promptly because they want to see hot people.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Right, or because they want to see or because they
want to see like sexyes, like interactions. What I think
used to have shows where you can see that.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah, right, So again you're doing the thing where you're
saying that I'm saying that's why people watch Survivor. What
I'm saying is that for the first twenty five seasons
of Survivor and then it starts to kind of segue
to be maybe a little or maybe a little there,
and now from season forty one on, it's completely gone.
Is one on a long list of reasons to watch Survivor.

(42:12):
So you watch Survivor for the adventure element, the survival
element it shot called the deception, blah.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Strategy, element, strategy, all of.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
That, and then on top of that, and I'm just
gonna say, on top of that, a little on top
was that all so involved were good looking people who,
again I know it's gonna sound creepy, were scantily clad
most of the time, Okay, and occasionally use their sexuality
to both whether they just did it just because they

(42:44):
thought the other person was hot and they wanted to
get them, or they used it for a gameplay which
added the strategy element you're talking about. It makes it
even kind of more fun to watch, right Either way,
that was a feature of Survivor the same way it
was a feature of the Challenge and a feature sometime
of Big Brother and so on and so on and
so on. I'm not saying it was the a one

(43:04):
with a bullet come Survivor for sex, but it used
to be something that was more commonplace and I believe
more of an add bonus, uh to Survivor, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yeah, that's exactly what I thought you were saying, and
I disagree with that is never why I came to survive.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Okay, So you just so, so you said, that's what
you said, and then at the end you said, that's
not why I came to I'm not saying.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
It's not on the list of reasons. It's not even
a little bit of a reason, not even on the list.
It's not even the tenth thing reason why I came
to Survivor.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Again, it doesn't even to be anyone's why they came
to it is the difference of what I'm saying and
what you're saying. I'm saying. What I'm saying is it's
not why anyone came to Survivor. Right, It's like I
don't go to a basketball game for the popcorn. Okay,
even if every time I go I get popcorn, that's
not why I go to a basketball game. Okay. My

(44:02):
point is is that it was something present that added
to the fun, the entertainment, and to be honest, with
the legacy of a ton of Survivor players and their narratives,
and some of them want to marry these people but
bought and Rob Hamberg in love one of them winning
the other one does it. Then they've come a couple

(44:22):
of raised a family. Now that's not the salacious version
of it, but that's one of the most iconic stories
in the history of Survivor. So my point is like
it was more of a thing.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Yeah, I think that's still happening.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
I don't think it happens as much, if ever, as
my point. Now, watching ten seasons of the New Era,
watch forty one through forty nine, whatever that is, nine
ten seasons, whatever, the math is and it's happened. I mean, really,
the two examples we have are Dean Austin and we
have Matt and Franny. And my point is that if

(44:55):
you go, you know, first ten seasons or first twenty seasons.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
I a little bit from there you have like the
Kara Kara and the cop thing.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
M Oh, what's your name? Yes, okay, Dan, Dan, now
that that is that was David Scots fifteen seasons ago.
My point is that you still sought occasionally in the thirties.
I'm saying that this clear kind of cut that we
were where. I think maybe I'm speaking for all survivormaniacs here,
but I'm pretty sure when people are talking.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I'm pretty sure you speak for all survivormania So what.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
I was gonna say was, I think people call the
new era forty one. I don't think people when they
say the new era are including David versus Goliath or
Ghost Island and whatever. I think there's a clear delineation
between everything winners at war and before and then because
of the pandemic and the shortened season and some things
that came with the social climate at the time, the

(45:52):
pressures of the diversity initiative, many many things converging on
survivor at once. I think have in a good way,
stripped it of some things and in a maybe not
bad way, but in a glaring way, have removed it
from a lot of things that made it great for
the first thirty seasons is what I'm saying. Mid thirty

(46:13):
to forty seasons, and some of it was intentional, some
of it was again a sort of maybe just a
something that came with the changing of the times or
changing of the casting and et cetera, et cetera. Again,
I think maybe even the short season plays a part
in it. Social media, whatever it is. But like it's
a different show. It is a it is a different show.
It's a different show in the gameplay, it's a different

(46:34):
show in the rules and with the casting coupled with
again some just societal changes. Another is the sexuality of
it all and how it plays into the gameplay and
persuading people to do things for you and whatnot. And
I think Parverdy was the flag bear of that, was
one of the great was one of the great players

(46:56):
who used that to her advantage during her first few seasons.
And she's not the only one there's other.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
You are not giving credit to our queen Jerry Manthy
or two.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
She's another one.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Jerry, Jerry and Colby. That was the original.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Okay, Sugar, there you go. I mean, look, the list
goes on, The list goes on.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
My point is, yes, okay, you think I don't get it,
but I get it, and I saw disagree. Anyways, you
think that uncle Jay thing is going to last past
this season, does have any sticking power? You think anyone's
ever going to do it again?

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Sorry, say that again.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
The uncle Jay thing. A lot of people calling Jeff
uncle Jay this season, and.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
So people don't this is like, it's not just a
survivor thing. So the other day I was watching Cam
Scataboo is opening some UFC cards at a UFC event.
Dana White comes over, calling him uncle Dane.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I think anything you just said, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah. My point is is that I think it's a
thing that now it's it's just kind of what you
call older people if whether they're the host, if they're
the if they're the sort of uh, and it's kind
of like a young person thing that I get. For
whatever reason, the survivor community and former survivors are kind
of up in arms when it comes to this. But
I think it's more of just a new young person

(48:16):
lingo thing that transcends survivor. So I just think people
are calling you know, older folks that are in charge
uncle this, uncle that, especially when they're like a celebrity,
and it's like cool to insinuate that you are related
to them or they're your uncle. It's kind of like that,
you know, you know, uncle is like another thing. So,
I mean, it's just so funny that I think, I

(48:36):
guess this season it's been you know, said a lot more,
but and and everyone is covering it on all these podcasts.
Everyone's talking Uncle Jeff, Uncle Jay. Now, I think people
are gonna be self conscious about it and probably stop
doing it if they do. Pay attention to how annoyed
everyone is by it. But it's just young people lingo.
You know, it's like, oh, I understand that more than
I understand six seven, you know, sorry.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Not a high bar.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
The sanctuary, well.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
I read a hilarious tweet someone goes, what happened to
the sanctuary? Did something bad happen? Right? Like we were plus, do.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
You think they heard our podcasts? And like, you know,
got that we were annoyed at how big a deal
they were trying to like make that to happen with
the makes sanctuary happen as a thing, like a new
thing that we all just took as like, oh yeah,
like everyone knows about the sanctuary.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah. I think. I think eventually shows do, like things
run their course, it becomes you know, sticky whatever, they
kind of realize it finally it's probably like two seasons
too late or whatever, and I think sometimes they're onto
the next thing and whatnot. I think also these shows
play with like what do we need? What don't we need?
How many excursions do we need? You know, how many
of this do we need? When they have a reward,
do we need to switch locations? This, that and the

(49:53):
other thing. Maybe it started because like that location wasn't
available this month or whatever it was, or maybe for
season fifty they're making a big or one and they're
renovating it during season forty nine. There might be some
like behind the scenes reason for it, Like no, I'm serious,
there might be some behind the scenes reason for it.
But they lucked into I think omitting something that was
getting annoying and that we were making fun of right,
like it was getting too competitive and it was get

(50:15):
into one of those things that like sounded cool and
it really was. The the where good things happened was
becoming sort of a parody of itself, and so I
wouldn't be surprised. On fifty we see like a different
version of it, and this is like a transitional season
where we didn't have either maybe that or maybe they

(50:38):
just again are onto the next thing or or onto
the nothing. You know. But yeah, that's interesting that that
this that this is the first sanctuary lest I believe
season since uh, since season forty one.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Well, it was like building it was becoming like they
were really pushing it and so it like got got
too big.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Trevor, you got as Yeah, I got a couple, Trevor says,
prop to Scott for his great read this season on
so far Who is Going Home next? Again? Thank you, Trevor,
And I can tell you for certain that it was.
It is real and it is spectacular. A lot of
discourse around the poverty Australia. Win and Jess on his

(51:16):
pod had to talk about it. He also listed his
oh Jeff, not Jess, Jeff, He said, Jess, uh and
Jeff on his pod had to talk about it. He
also listed as Mount Rushmore of Sandra Parverty, Boston, Robin Tony.
No complaints for me, I agree, uh do either of
you have a different Mount Rushmore and as any New
era player deserves me on the Mount Rushmore. So you

(51:39):
know my thoughts on Mount Rushmore, Lindsey. So my Mount
Rushmore thought is that people are the the The concept
of Mount Rushmore has jumped the shark and no longer
means the same thing to anybody. People think it's like
a a rolling top four that can be updated. I
can tell you right now that and this is a
bad example, but Donald Trump, Barack Obama, the next president,

(52:00):
any of them could be the best president of all
time to where they have a thousand percent approval rating.
They are not going to chisel fucking Abraham Lincoln off
of Mount Rushmore and add a new person. So to me,
the term Mount Rushmore is a fine thing that d
or Kyle or whomever cannot be added to, no matter
how good they are. So I will say that, like

(52:23):
Tony winning his second on War of the Worlds, although
I already probably would have had Tony close to if
not on the Mount Rushmore away that one his place
on Mount Rushmore. But no, I don't think there's anything
anyone could do to be added to that. Aunt Rushmore.
Santra Parverty, Boston, Robin Tony are fine choices if you

(52:44):
wanted to, like, you know, I think like I think
Sarah Lesina is a great player. I think I know
there are other great players out there, but I you know,
if that's your four or close to that four, is
your four? Like great? But no, I don't think new
era Survivor player or any era Survivor player does to
be in the Rushmore conversation, because that's how I do
Mount Rushmore as who are sort of the pillars of

(53:05):
a show or a thing or a team or a
sports history, and that is not something that is like
an ongoing thing where.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
A sport or a show where like people can play two, three, four,
five times versus like not one person coming and playing
like one great game is probably not going to do
it on a show like survivor maybe you know a
show where you're you're only going to play one time. Ever,
I'm trying to think of like what show that would be,

(53:34):
like you don't ever bring anyone back, but you know.
I think I think that that's really hard to do
when you've got people who have played so many times.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yeah, And the thing is you'll notice, like these players
who are on the quote unquote Mount Rushmore are from
the era where people were playing a lot. These are
probably the players who have played the most, certainly Sandra
Poverty in Boston Rob. So here's the thing about Siri
and Ozzy, I would say, right, so, when you talk
about the reps, right sure, And if Siri is on

(54:07):
there for you instead of I don't know, pick one
of these people off, fine, Or if Ozzy is on here,
pick one, fine, go ahead. But to me again, like
you said, it's about the reps, and it's about the
era of I've played so more. I've been on the
show so long. It is part of my identity, and
when you think of Survivor, you think of me. I
think that's fine, and I think that's great, and I
think that's what the term Mount Rushmore was always meant

(54:27):
to mean. The River is a show where only a
handful of people have ever won more than once. Sandra's
always been the only person who's won more than once
until Tony. They're obviously on there Boston. Rob is only
one once for the million time he's played poverty. Technically
is won twice if you include Australia. But you probably
would have been on this Mount Rushmore long before that.
So it's a weird show to kind of like do

(54:49):
you think you have to have one to be on
Mount Rushmore? If that If you say yes, I say fine,
and this probably has to be or four if you
say no, I think yeah, Ozzi, Sorie. There's some other
great names you could put in there when it comes
to the Challenge. It's interesting because you know, the Challenge
has a sort of disproportionately male problem of people who

(55:10):
have like won the show a lot, right, So like
that's why I would say on that show you kind
of have to go like male Mount Rushmore and female
Mount Rushmore because unfortunately, if you're gonna think of championships
as being like the end all be all for that, sadly,
like you know, you get you gotta get through three
guys before you get to any women who have won three,
you know, and you have several guys who have won three,

(55:31):
you have a few that have won four, you have
some that have won five, and you're one that's won
seven men. So the other thing with that is, though
I don't necessarily think it all has to be how
many times have you won? How many times have you won?
Because when you talk about Mount Rushmore, to me, it's
like who do you think of when you think of
the show, and that to me sometimes has more to
do with appearances than wins per se. Now it just

(55:52):
so happens that, like CT Johnny, they've played the most
and they've won the most. So those are two great
selections either way. But I digress. Mount Rushmore. To me,
I'm like done. I'm like done with it as a
topic and a question. I think it's like we've lost it.
It is to me Mount Rushmore. I made this joke,
so it's not the first time people are probably doing this.
Mount Rushmore to me is now on the Mount Rushmore

(56:15):
of annoying topics and question prompts, along with other things
like favorite season, what do we think is going on?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
In the preview here you hear Christina yelling it's not
fair crying what you have.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
No idea what it is talking about. I actually have
no idea, I will say Christina.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
It's out of challenge that she's saying it.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
One thing we haven't talked about is she did this
this episode give her reward away, right, so we've seen
that before. We did kind of look at each other
and go oh, because like when you do that, sometimes
it could be the end of your season. We've seen
people do that. But I have Christina kind of pegged
for sadly, maybe like a third chair goat position. I

(57:01):
don't know, do you think her I mean, like, I'm
just trying to think, Like I'm just trying to think
of any situation in which you would need or want
her out of the game, Like, do you think she's
someone to people would just want to give them money
to you?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
I mean idol right now, I don't think she's like
totally a nonentity.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Yeah, I guess you're right. I forgot about the Idol. Yeah, okay,
all right, okay.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Okay, letters from home? Maybe letters from home are coming.
That can always get people emotional.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Right, yes, okay, maybe that maybe that gets people emotional. Sure,
letters from home? Where are they going to read these
letters from home if they don't have the sanctuary? I mean, yeah, where?
I mean it's all good removed from the show. I
don't know, all right, We've got a few episodes here left.
I'm going to be by the way, I should say
another plug in here. I know you tell you DM
me this and you were like what, but so uh,

(57:52):
next week I'm going to Orlando. Here's another plug So
if you are in the Orlando area on Wednesday evening,
we will be doing a Challenge Mania Night with the
Orlando Magic on Wednesday evening and that is for challenge people, okay,
And we have a few challenges that will be there.
It will be myself and Mark and John A and

(58:15):
Gabe and Paulie and probably somebody else. And if you
buy a ticket through our special link, same thing with
the Sixers Night tomorrow, you get to meet us before
the game, et cetera. But I'm also going for Over
the Edge Celebrity Weekend, which used to be called Hearts
of Reality. It's just been some kind of company and
name and branding turnover and whatnot. It is still this
kind of weekend long charity event. It used to all

(58:37):
be for give kids the world. Now everyone picks their
own charity that they raise money for, et cetera. I
decided to raise money for the Michael J. Fox Foundation
for Parkinson's research. And so I'm going for that, and
I'm going to be doing two panels there at the
Over the Edge Celebrity Weekend. I'm going to be doing

(58:58):
a challenge and just a little bit of a humble rag.
We have raised eighty We've raised eighty five hundred dollars,
so eight dollars raised for the Michael D. A. Fox Foundation. Okay,
I will be doing two panels. I'll be doing a
change panel and I will be doing a Survivor panel,
which I know you you're going to have fomo for
not being there for this, But I will be doing

(59:20):
a panel with several well, I mean you you you
could come, but we'd have to obviously get childcare for
the kiddos and whatnot. You guys just be on this panel,
so so and I and you have to buy tickets
through the Over the Edge weekend and this and that
and the other thing. Let's see over the Edge. I

(59:42):
just want to I don't want to misspeak and see
who's on this. Okay, So I'll be doing a panel
with all right, Bob Crowley, Okay, another one who could
be could be on your mount rushmore right, Okay, Big
Winner there only only played once. I believe Sandra the
aforementioned Mount Rushmore, Sandra Diez, Twine, Jacob Caine, Shaheen Davari,

(01:00:06):
Jerry Manthy who I believe you mentioned earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Right, Yeah, lots of people we mentioned today.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Danielle di Lorenzo Nath who I believe also maybe is
someone who I'm not so familiar with her game, but
I feel like, right she was kind of a player
who was in that vein or No, am I wrong?
Am I just judging by a picture I don't know?
And then this guy I'm dying to talk to because
he is the man behind the curtain, the Wizard of Oz,
if you will, who has been directly responsible for getting

(01:00:34):
a lot of people cast on the show in this
new era, and the show Survivor has sort of shunned
him for it. Adam Klein will be a part of
this panel as well, So five pm on a Saturday,
December the sixth, followed by at six pm at the
College panel. So I'll be doing double panels.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
People that I would love to talk to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Scott, Well, maybe next time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Why didn't they ask me to host the Survivor one
and you host the Challenge one?

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Well, I'm host both of them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
You should have you should have pitched me instead.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Well it's not you know, I'm sure if you were
there with me, you could co host it with me.
But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Uh again, you're really capitalizing on my fame, Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
That's you know, I love her. But I'm going to
say that eventually, sadly we end up saying goodbye to Sage.
So I'm going to say, Sage just next to go here,
that's gonna be my I will still make those kind
of predictions because I don't look. All I know is
the two people who are on fifty. I don't know
who it wins.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, and again, I feel like we're at the point
where like someone could make do something awesome and like
be on fifty and not go much further, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
One hundred percent sure. I'm just saying I want to
be one hundred percent transparent because I do want to
get credit when I am wholeheartedly predicting things absolutely zero knowledge.
But I don't think that affects me necessarily predicting who
goes home next. So I will say I will I'm
gonna go Sage. That's something to throw Dart. I'm gonna
go Sage. Yeah, I can also see Steven.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
I'm going Steven.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna see yeah save or Stephen.
All right, someone with an ask going home?

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Yeah, that's not not that impressive of a prediction on
this season.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Oh, everyone is Wow, it's two Sophie's, a Sage of
Stephen and a Savannah insane.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Wow, that's a lot of SA's. Yeah, that is a
lot of S's. All right, everybody. Hopefully you had a
good time listening to Survivormania. Maybe I'll see some of
you guys in Philly tomorrow, maybe some of you guys
in Orlando next week. Either way, enjoy Thanksgiving, Happy Thanksgiving,
and we will talk to you soon. We're staying sticking around,
so we'll probably be able to get our Survivormania for
this Wednesday's episode up in a timely fashion.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
No, you're ever gonna have no childcare and all our
kids we can fit.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
In a thirty minute old thing. Well, we'll see. Okay,
maybe I'm wrong. Sorry, all right, we talked Rock.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Can we Brock as a special guest to other girls
are nothing?

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Maybe? Sure? Sure, sure, sure, Brock very excited to mingle
with these survivors tomorrow. By the way, all right, everybody,
see you later, go Jags.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
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