Survivor Mania: Season 49 Premiere!

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
What's up everybody? Scott and Lindsey here. That's right, No Derek,
no Challenge Mania. We are back for the season premiere
of Survivor Mania, where Lindsay and I are going to
talk about the season forty nine premiere and everything going
on in that wacky and wild world out there in Fiji. Lindsay,
how you doing.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm good. I survived the weekend while you were at
Challenge Mania Live Boston this weekend. I hope it was
a good show for everyone. I was here taking care
of our three kids, having a great time surviving, and
we did it.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
You are what the kids call the real MVP. And
yeah shots everybody who came out to Boston. We had
a good time. But that is why this podcast is
coming out on Monday. But we needed a couple extra
days to watch this, to be honest with you, because
we started on Wednesday, we thought our DVR was recording it.
It pulled a fast one on us, so we missed

(01:04):
the first few minutes. Had to go back and watch
that separately.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Just this as a viewing strategy to view the second
half of a show first and then go back days
later and do the first half, not not the best strategy,
and only if you're in a pinch. But I would
I do it this way?

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well, look, it did give me a little bit of
perspective watching it out of order, as does as I
always say, recording this on a bit of a delay,
you do get to, you know, hear a little bit
of the chatter, get a little bit of the feedback
from the survivor fan base, maybe a podcast or two.
And I did hear the word uneventful used by a
pundit or a podcaster or two, and I kind of

(01:44):
echo that sentiment. And part of the reason I feel
that way is that, like, I mean, how rare is
it that you could like throw on a premiere forty
minutes late, not feel like you really missed much, then
go back and watch said forty minutes and realize that,
in fact, you did not miss much. So I never
tough job.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
You can't win. It's like you people complain about if
there's not enough going on in the premiere, and you
complain if they're throwing in too many idle hunts and
weird advantages and trips and journeys, and like this was
a simpler premiere, right, Like we didn't have too many weird,

(02:22):
extra added things that they were trying to give us.
It was just your simple, basic Survivor happening.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I mean, look, so I will try not to be
the I don't know, I do feel like on the
show Survivor Mania in particular, I can be a bit
of a Donnie Downer if you will. It can sound
like you know, but that's because I like you. And
first of all, Survivor is a podcast that you know this,
I mean, Survivor is a show that is a bit

(02:51):
this podcast bit of a labor of love for us.
Survivors a show that we like. It's It's one of
the shows we would watch whether we were podcasting about
it or not. But because it is old, faithful, it
keeps coming back. We're on season forty nine here, I
am able to assess when a season or an episode
isn't necessarily up to snuff with the general bar of
excitement that I know the show can often live up to.

(03:13):
And so I forget if we ever did that finale
podcast last year, because, like you know, by the end
of last season, I think I was beating the drum
of that it being kind of a lackluster season, very predictable.
I know, you know, you felt a little bit more
positive about it. So I don't want I want to
prefaces by saying I'm in no way like coming out
the gate for season forty nine, just setting the tone
here that I'm disappointed or bored or what have you.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, there's so many seasons, Like how many seasons can
you be like born and like still claim that you
love Survivor and Survivors you're the best reality TV show?
Like it? At some point if you say that for
how many seasons in a row, is it like maybe
it's not your favorite show anymore?

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Well, well, I'll say this, I mean, like I will
say that I always compare the shows like this, Survivor
is a show that I like because I find the game,
the format, the editing, it just to be a very
good show production. However you want to put it that,
I would watch a variety of strangers play, right. The challenge,

(04:14):
I think is more about the people, the returning cast members.
Do you like them? Are you excited to see who
the new sort of entries into this world are going
to be? It's sort of more of an ongoing narrative. Now, look,
every now and then, do we get a Survivor fifty
where it's cool to see people come back. Sure, but
Survivor is a show where it is the format that
remains the same, and that's what I keep coming back for.

(04:35):
And sometimes the mixture of the format and the cast
doesn't give you the fireworks that I think Survivor can
often give you, and I would say more often than
not does. Like I would say, out of ten seasons,
they probably bat about seven hundred, Like I would say,
you know, two out of every three Survivor seasons are
good to great, and then one of them ends up being,

(04:57):
you know, I don't want to say, like a stinker,
but one that gives you a better perspective of what
a great Survivor season or a great Survivor episode can be.
So I think even seasons that end up, like you know,
more or less being lackluster or predictable will often have
an episode where you realize, oh, that's a good episode,
this is what could have been, and that stuff only
happens so often. What makes a great season is when

(05:19):
that stuff is happening more often, when cast members are
keeping you on your toes, when you're falling in love
with people, and just when you are then they get
clipped when the gameplay all the all around, even for
people who do get ousted or win, the show is
something to hang their hat on. So I think that
this is just one episode in By no means am
I like bailing on the season. I would just say
if you're if you're comparing premiers in a vacuum, and look,

(05:43):
the word uneventful doesn't need to be unconditionally negative, because
sometimes these are eventful premieres because you have like someone
quitting at the end, or someone getting falling off a
boat and getting removed or things like that. So it's
not necessarily often great stuff. But like I will say,
these premiere especially since they've been two hours, like you know,
I do think they're often loaded with conflict or unpredictability,

(06:07):
and this was one that was pretty predictable. The vote
was pretty straightforward, there were no real misdirects, and then
you know, kind of coupled with that, there wasn't really
any sort of like you know, uh, you know, there
wasn't anything else to come.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Back occasional about when the last time you were really
excited about an episode or a season was what do
you mean to say that you're not like you think
that it was more recent than it actually was, or
that you've actually claimed on the podcast that.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I was that I like the season. Yeah, well I would.
I mean, I mean, just to like go into recent memory,
so the only two I can remember being like outwardly
negative about. And and again, you guys have been listening
to the show, so you might even have a better Yeah,
so you can let me know in the comments, you
guys who have listened to Survivenment. But for me, I

(06:59):
know that the Bonnu episodes of that season had me
ripping my hair out right? Was that his name Banu? Right?

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yep? And then recently last season, I just found to
be incredibly predictable. For those of you guys who listen
to the podcast, you probably heard me predict Kyle to
win fairly early in the season. And I think that
like a mixture of predictability you know, and or you
know on the Banu and just like you know, terrible

(07:27):
gameplay and things like that, Like I am going to
point out when that happens. But no, I think I
mean Survivor forty five, I really like Survivor forty three.
I really liked me. We've had some great seasons in
the new era, We're.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Gonna have a great season here, folks, So strap end well.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
And here's what I'll say. It doesn't necessarily need to
be a bad thing that I thought everyone came out
into and out of this episode looking pretty likable, looking
pretty good. I don't see any like, oh my god,
cringefest villains on the show yet. At least even someone
who on paper's name is the Riz guy is pretty
damn likable. So I don't know, we've managed to tread
that line. So I think like it definitely is set

(08:06):
up for to be an enjoyable season. We do have
the luxury of knowing that two people from this season
impressed the casting department so much that they gave them
two very important spots on the very cluttered season fifty
that's coming. So that's something to look out for, whether
you're kind of watching to see what characters pop and
could have taken those spots, or whether it's just a
sign that this season is one that's going to have that.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
I mean, let me tell you, the season better be spectacular.
Due to the fact that for season fifty there are
so many players from the last two seasons, it better
be so that these players better be so unbelievable this
season that they had to stack it so unevenly that

(08:50):
the last few seasons are represented in this large quantity.
There's two people from this season, there's three people from
last season. On a season with how many cast members,
that's five people from the last two seasons of fifty
forty nine seasons.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
That's and look, that is a major company.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
They better be amazing, they be we better. You're right,
we better see fireworks this season.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
And that has been definitely a general complaint about season fifty.
And I think you know you're you you are very
very what's warranted in complaining if you think that three people,
especially the person who won the season, and another person
who made it all the way to the final three,
and another woman who made it all the way to
the final four, like like really like people who we

(09:34):
got a lot of a big dose of just four
months ago are coming back. So if you're already complaining
about Kyle h and Camilla and Joe coming back, that's fine,
I will say, just in a vacuum complaining about two
people from this season without knowing I mean, who knows,
I mean, like you know, like think of the people
who people are complaining aren't on Survivor season fifty. Maybe

(09:55):
we do get two characters the caliber of Carolyn on
this season, So I will say this is a good place,
This is a good place to put that that this
season is a little awkward. I think mainly because of
this season fifty of it all. I think mainly because

(10:19):
of this season fifty of it all. I think because
obviously season fifty was a show that filmed in the
last few months. They were very outspoken about who was
on that show other than the two people from season
forty nine. However, I think, just logistically, I think that
probably made some of the information coming out of season
forty nine a little bit more readily available. So you

(10:42):
guys know, as far as listeners are concerned, there is
a bit of and we won't know until the end,
there is a bit of sort of spoilery information out
there that people are kind of being maybe a little
looser about than they would normally be. I think maybe
because they don't know if it's real, if it's true,
and or because because it's so readily available, people kind
of feel like to be in the know. They should

(11:03):
kind of catch up with their friends and whatnot, or
they feel like because of the season fifty of it all,
it's worth reporting either way, we haven't doven into that.
We're completely it's unbeknownst to us, and so hopefully please
don't like write in any questions that involve rumors about
that who is on season fifty whatever, who potentially wins
the show. I mean, look, that's the other thing. Is

(11:24):
is it possible that the people got cast from season
fifty because they jumped off the screen and didn't win? Yes?
Is it also possible that one of them went right
from winning onto season fifty like Kyle? Yes, I sure
hope not because I just I mean, I think it
was a bad idea to have any winners on season
fifty to begin with. But either way, that's kind of
information that we're running from, and you kind of don't
know who has it and who doesn't again, whether it's

(11:45):
right or wrong. So try not to write in about
any of those rumors or things like that, and we're
gonna probably, you know, I think, may I mean, what
do you think? I mean? Should we stay kind of
light on the season fifty talk as it kind of
bleeds into this season because of that, you know, what
do you think we should do? Should we just play
dumb like we are? I mean, that's kind of how
we've chosen to go about this because you know, I, personally,

(12:08):
I'm someone who watches Survivor and am always reading through
the tea leaves of Twitter posts, photos things like that.
I cannot turn off that part of my brain, to
the point where I've even been like reading into who
experts are picking for certain things for the season, because
I don't know how much they read or how much
they know. And look, there's people out there in the
Survivor world who already got back from filming season fifty

(12:31):
with some of these people, and they of course all
have friends and family and things like that, where look
do they come home and spill the beans completely know?
But they might have said like, oh, hey, this person's
on or whatever. So either way, that stuff is out there,
we're not going to read into it. We're going to
try to hide it from ourselves and each other as
long as possible.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
So but just know that I love you about Survivor
is how well they do with hiding any spoilers. And
I don't know what it is. I don't know if
part of it is that they've done a good job
following through on punishments with people who have spoiled things.
They remember the year where Alec and Kara were dating
and something got you know, he leaked something about it

(13:10):
in some way and he was disinvited from the reunion,
and I'm sure that has happened. You know, there have
been other things that Survivor has taken really seriously with
punishments with people breaking the rules. We saw it this
season where and we have the curtain pulled back a
little bit in that original Matt chat this week that
two of the players on season forty nine are the

(13:32):
alternates that were brought to Fiji, and Jeff has revealed
that the two players that were originally supposed to be
on that they replaced were cut because they weren't following
the rules. The rumor is it seems like it's because
they were chatting. They were having some sort of communication
in a way that was you know, they were warned

(13:52):
about that they're not allowed to do pre season when
they're at honder Rosa before the game begins, and so
I think that Survivor follows through with their threats about rules,
and so I think that's part of it right, that
that players are genuinely afraid of breaking these rules having
these punishments. And so in my experience, all the seasons
I've watched, I have never had a season or Survivor spoiled.

(14:17):
And this year it is out there. It is clearly
readily out there as far as who were the players
that are on season fifty and then people, you know,
I'm sure making all sorts of assumptions. So we do
want to be careful. It's a shame I part of
what I love about Survivors going into it, you know,
completely blind, And so I do want to warn people

(14:39):
that if you are a little bit searching for anything,
you know, you want to be really careful for this season.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, and look, and it's one of those things where
I didn't feel like, oh, look, it is more out
there than it is customary of a Survivor's season, because,
as you said, most of the time they do a
good job of putting the feet of God and the
people who make and play on the show. Most of
the time it is people who nobody knows. So it
is very easy to kind of keep that stuff tight

(15:08):
lipped and whatnot. And this is just a little bit
different because I think the information that's probably out there,
and again I haven't even again, I've tried to run
from it from you know, to the extent where I
don't even know what people are saying, but I'd imagine
a lot of it has to do with the Survivor
fifty of it all, and maybe reading into that again,
So either way.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
In general, I want to make sure, like, see, the
fact that season fifty is coming up and they've announced
it and that it is what it is, like takes
away a little bit of the excitement from this season
because people are so wrapped up for the next season,
so let's give it a chance.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
And they're trying to rev us up. I mean, look, guys,
do not think that it was random that when they
started talking about like Survivor Greats or whatever, they did
a random package that almost exclusively included people from Survivor
season fifty.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
So yeah, I noticed that they were already plugging season
fifty in their subtle way. And I don't have it
in front of there he's talking about. There was, you know,
there was some clips at the beginning building up you know,
the storied history of Survivor, and I noticed that as well,
that there.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Was like Aubrey and Christian and yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
That they showed in moments of Survivor and there are
all people that are have been announced that are on
season fifty.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Look, is that the worst idea of the world in
the world, because let's be honest, like, we haven't had
a returnee season since season forty, which was all winners.
So it's possible if people aren't Survivor junkies who listen
to Survivor Mania and know Christian Hubicki and Aubrey and
all these people, like, it's possible they haven't seen them
in fifteen seasons, you know. So I get it, you know,

(16:42):
I get why they did something like that. But it's
just also very clear that Survivor fifty is something that is,
you know, looming over this season, both literally and figuratively.
So all right, I do want to mention the cheating
scandal that you just organically brought up. Now. I actually
Michelle this because I was wondering, like, you know, just

(17:02):
do do her Survivor connections run even deeper than mine?
And has she gotten the skinny on what it is
these two people could have done? But what I found interesting, I.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Think I think it's been sad. They were you know
community I heard, I heard like maybe passing notes. They
were trying to communicate in some way.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, no, no, I read the whole thing with Jeff,
so so I know the whole Like you know, we
we know that they were communicating past the breaking point
at ponder Rosa, were probably warned and thus removed, and
we also.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Know warned and continue to do that.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Well, we also know who the alternates were, and we
know that they're on the same tribe, and we know
that one of them was allowed to quote unquote let
it behind the curtain. And this is what I wanted
to segue into, was this decision for Justin Uh to
tell everyone that he was, in fact the alternate. It's

(17:58):
interesting because I think and look, hopefully we do get
more specifics. I'm sure the Survivor cast and future seasons
will be hearing about this in detail, and they will
use it as like a way to get people really
to whip things into But because I listened to an
interview with Rachel who Rachel famously recent winner was an

(18:21):
alternate for a previous season before.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Alternates have historically done very well.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Well, that's because so but alternates have done well on Yeah, so,
and part of the theory is that they have the
time to You've gotten a bit of a trial run,
a test run about not the entire game, but the pregame,
which I'm sure is also something that is sort of

(18:47):
looming over the other cast members. Now, remember, like while
we're on the topic of cheating and communicating during ponder Rosa, Right, So,
if you've listened to a lot of like survivor interviews
with people after the fact, even interviews that are done
during pond Rosa, people will often give their thoughts like
on people there just by their body language and things.

(19:08):
Mike Bloom will famously ask people their thoughts on people,
and they're just kind of, you know, grasping its straws
and telling Mike how they feel about random people based
on their like appearance and the way that they're kind
of walking around Ponderosa.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
So, clearly there's a lot of.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Like indors for people and spot.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yes, and for those of you guys who don't know,
the way it works is they basically sequester them together.
They're like in the same space, they're like, I guess
like eating in the same area as there are but
they're not allowed to speak, and it is where where
they kind of live while they're doing all this kind
of pre show press and things like that, taking photos,
YadA YadA. And it's also a way to kind of,

(19:46):
like you know, slowly, kind of get them into the
game and into the living conditions and stuff like that.
But that being said, if you are an alternate going
through that, and you knew you were an alternate, you'd
kind of get like a relatively stress free the trial
run of it. All right, so you're there, you can
kind of do this one way evaluation process where you

(20:07):
know that like, oh, you can't possibly overstep you like
you don't know what tribe uran, things like that, like
all this stuff, you're you're not really feeling people out
because like, unless something catastrophic happens, you're probably not getting
into this game. Then you get to show up to
another season having already done that, but now you know
you're in game mode. So it'll be interesting to see
how these alternates do on the show. We have had

(20:29):
alternates on the show before. Davey Rickenbacker was an alternate
on David Versusgo Live. Of course, he did very well
in that season, but like what do you think about
this decision to tell the cast that he was the alternate.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, I mean I think that it actually decreased unless people,
you know, there are a lot of super fans. Maybe
people are like, oh alternates, do they use that? And
some of my alternates tend to do super well. You know,
people will find anything to use to differentiate somebody and
make them the other. But I think that it actually
decreases their threat level because I think it makes them

(21:07):
seem like they might be flustered, and so, you know,
I think that it in some ways helps them seem
like people that you don't have to look out for
as much because they weren't in game mode for as
long as you were.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Well, maybe it's also a way to say, like, hey,
if I didn't seem too interested or you know, kind
of thing like you know, now I will say like
I do, like again, this just goes to the nosiness
of me. But also because I want to know, like
what the line is that they crossed that finally made
this a removal because most of the time people I
believe get replaced. It's like a health thing and things

(21:45):
like that. I do believe this is the first time
at least they've been this transparent about it being a
rule violation and the fact that it was two people
on the same tribe. Like a lot of people have
gone and done the show and felt like they did

(22:06):
like a little bit of that kind of stuff, you know,
whether it's actually notes passing or whether it's like now,
it could be as simple as this, and maybe I'm wrong,
you know, could it be as simple as like them
viewing it as if these two people who are on
the same tribe even even like communicated to each other
that that is the case. They figured that out, like

(22:28):
that they're on the same tribe and thus made a
bond that would like immediately help them, Like it could
be as simple as that, right.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
But I don't like knowing this whole thing about like
knowing who's done your tribe, Like how does that help
you that much? Because you're you know, you're not if
you're not able to actually do anything until then they're
talk or strategize. It's like yeah, you can say, like, oh,
but it's the same thing as like giving someone a smile,
liking someone's vibes on the first day, Like I don't

(22:57):
really think that it can can.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Help you that well, I'm just wondering if the difference is,
let's say, oh, on Survivor season forty three, you know,
Carolyn was getting good vibes from whomever. I don't know
someone else on that season who wasn't on their tribe.
The only people I remember from that season were honor tribes.
Is a bad example, but them thinking like or not
even noticing. But if they did notice, okay, what's it

(23:20):
mattered that much? They're not even going to be on
the same tribe for however many days. Whereas if it
was as simple as these two people knowing, oh, we're
on the same tribe, let's make a pact or whatever.
This and that you know, that's I mean, that's you're
going right into the game and having that is a
little bit different. Now, again, that might seem like not

(23:41):
a big deal, So that would be like, oh, wow,
look how swift their justice is. I'd love like, I'm
fascinated by what changed where they felt like it was
so egregious they had to step in here.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah, I would love to I would love.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
To know too. And it sort of said something that
this is kind of the mo I mean, granted, this
is off season fodder, because we learned about this, you know,
a couple of weeks ago via I believe an Entertainment
Weekly article or something, or interview with Jeff. But but
I think like that it says a lot that this
is kind of like the most interesting thing coming out
of the premiere.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
You know. I mean I think that it. I think
that it might be one of those secrets that you know,
the further away we get, nobody cares about it, It'll
come out, It'll come to light.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, And I do think eventually it will be something
that they can use, especially this, like everyone will remember
or hey, you remember those people, this is what they did, Like,
don't do this, you know? Which is good. Okay, let's
talk about just first impressions. Where do you who do
you want to start with? What do you want to
start with? You? You lead the way?

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah. I love that there was very little idle talk
advantage talk here. You know, you get to see people
forming their bonds this way. Let's talk about some some
moments and stands out when the Heena tried, the Yellow
tribe is starting to get to know each other, and

(25:04):
you have the young ends talking about gaming. Jason is
a love that conversation where they're like, are you a
professional gamer? And he's like, well, I've played and I've
won money, Like that's literally the definition of a professional gamer.
But my heart went out to Matt Here, who is

(25:24):
the older person on the tribe. I thought he did
a really good job of laying low despite the fact
that he was such an asset. He didn't do it
in a way that I think alienated anybody he was
trying to fit. In that moment where he asks if
it's like streaming, I thought, about you, it's not too
bad with the streaming reference for him, I thought, this

(25:46):
is sort of what Scott feels like when he's trying
to talk to my parents' friends about his podcast. So,
you know, I liked the way he played that. He's
in a situation there where there is an obvious reason
to differentiate him, and you know, he's the hero there
in the end with the fire making, which maybe that's

(26:07):
maybe we're foreshadowing here, showing us this moment in the
first episode. Sometimes that happens, right, Matt making fire here
And so I thought he did a really good job.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
What do you think about the decision? I want to
get his name right, but is it Nate deciding not
to tell everyone that he is in fact a big
wig Marvel producer and sort of throws the Marvel out there,
but more so just leans into the fact that his
first PA gig was on Spider Man two with Sam Raimi. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I think that it goes back to the Mike White
of it, all right, which is that Mike Waite played
a great game. He got to the end, but he
was everybody. You know, he talked openly, very openly about
his film film background, and people knew who he was.
And I know it's a little bit different because he's

(27:02):
he was actually on camera, right, but and so he
was more easily recognizable. But he got to the final
tribal council and he didn't win that season, and some
people think, you know, there there's a there's a section
of fans who think that he deserved to win that season.
And so I do wonder if that Nate's a super fan, right, Like,

(27:23):
I wonder if that's in the back of his head, like,
look what happened to Mike White here? So maybe I
should play it a little cooler and not seem like
a successful Hollywood big wig.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, because he uh, is it was. I mean, he's
listed as a executive, so yeah, I mean, can.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
You can see him, like, you know, walk in that
red carpet he's he seems like he is an important
person on these films, so I think he knows it.
I think making that connection about, you know, the types
of films he's worked on, is interesting to people. But
I don't know how believable it is that it is

(28:02):
a she's still a PA.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
You tell me you've been in that world, Like, do
you think it's believable that he's I guess he's maybe
he's saying he did the PA stuff now he's just
to stay at home dad, and he doesn't do it anymore.
You know how I feel? In general, I think everybody
should be honest about their jobs. I think, like Savannah
hiding that she's a reporter, I think everybody should just
be honest because I think that what people gravitate towards,

(28:27):
as I've said this so many times on the podcast,
is authenticity and connections.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
I mean, I also think that you know, I don't
know that people know. I mean, he doesn't have to
say like executive, he doesn't even have to say, you know,
it's just like, you know, I work at Marvel or
I'm a producer at Marvel, like because I think there's
a bit of I mean, especially with this crew of
gamers and gen Zers and people who obviously, I mean,
you don't even have to be gen Z to think

(28:53):
Marvel is cool. I don't know. I just think like
you don't need to downplay too much because people.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Already you know, an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Actually, it's like people already know that you're not so
famous that they recognize you immediately, right, So, like even
Mike White, who it's hard to remember, but like when
Mike White went on uh Survivor, people more like recognized
him from like Amazing Race or like playing uh uh
you know, I forget that is it? Well yes, but

(29:23):
he well he yes. But I'm saying I'm trying to
get the character's name, Ned Snebley or whatever, because he's
the guy who I mean, Jack Black like steals his
name or identity or whatever. But so I think the
character is Ned Sneebly. I think, but uh, he he
directed that movie or wrote that movie or whatever. But like,
but people recognize him for playing the small role in

(29:44):
it more than that. You also have to remember Mike
White has his Q rating has gone up drastically since
Survivor then inspired him to make The White Lotus, which
now is not just indirectly named after him, but he
is very much synonymous with that show and given full
credit as you should get full credit for creating that show,

(30:04):
being the name attached to every season of that show
since it is a rotating cast, he has now gotten
vaulted into this rarefied air of TV producer director et cetera.
That you know by name, there's probably only like five,
you know, like Shonda Rhymes, maybe you know, like JJ Abrams,
and you know, it's hard to even name people who

(30:25):
don't then transition into other stuff. But like, you know,
like the name Mike White now is you know, vastly
I mean, the and the idea that you would, like,
you know, need to not let him get to the
final three or whatever, because he's successful, like remember he
did make I don't think.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
It's that they don't I see. I don't think it's
that not to let him get to the final three.
It's I think they're scared that if you get to
the final three, people don't want to reward you with
money because you're already so successful.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
I think that there's a middle ground here, and who knows,
maybe we're just reading too much into this and he
changes it as he goes. But I personally think, especially
seeing how having a relationship with Mike White has been
good for the few cast members that developed one and
they've been able to make cameos on the White Lotus
and things like that, Like you know, I don't know.

(31:17):
I I think that the you know, whether it's John
Lovett or whether it's Mike White or whether it's it's
like I think, like the cooler and more connected you
are and whatnot, Like like I would I would actually
lean into it, uh and assume that like you know,
like I just.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Think, well, and especially like listening to the preseason interviews,
it actually there's like a specific person on his tribe
that it would be super beneficial for him. I mean
you see it in that moment with the with the
Spider Man thing that he does share, the little piece
that he does share. Juwan is you know is somebody

(31:58):
who would really appearppreciate that and they could really bond
over it. So yes, on a broader level of just
appealing to the younger Clowd. But I think specifically with
Joan it would go a long way if they could
make that connection.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
I think that for me, Sophie is really standing out
as somebody that's going to be somebody to watch.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Well, I'll be honest. Yeah, but let me stop you
there before you, before you you clarify that there are
two Sophies. I want to ask a question because we
did gather questions over a challenge Maniacs dot com uh
for our Survivor maniacs over there, and someone actually even
wrote in about that. So this is a question about

(32:48):
Sophie times two. Diana says, using your production hat, and
Diana was in Boston this weekend, So shouts to Diana
using your production hat. Why do you think they put
two Sophies on the same season. Ali brought it up
on the B and B and I was wondering the
same thing in preseason. It seems like we should pay

(33:10):
close attention to both of them, since they felt comfortable
enough to have two of them with the same name.
Now they are spelled slightly different. We have Sophie with
just an I and then Sophie.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
You don't you're never telling anyone how you spell your
name on Survivor because you don't want them to write
it down.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Okay, so but so interesting point by Diana, who, by
the way, Diana was not just in Boston, but she
had a backstage pass that she won that she won
by winning a Survivor draft.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
So I'm trying to think if Diana is the are
the initials on your arm?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
No, so someone someone and shouts to you if you're
listening to this at the meet and greet, was like, uh, hey, everyone,
I'm meeting them. I'm asking them if I can give
them a tattoo. And I wasn't gonna be the one asshole.
And here I am, like three days later. It's still
on my arm. So we're trying to figure out who.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
The game initials on his arm. So I could.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Feel the heat. I could feel the te coming off
of you as I was explaining this, because then you're
trying to figure out you're probably like searching.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
I thought you might have gotten a tattoo.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
No, No, I did not get a tattoo and it's
on my arm. I made sure to have her do
it in a very like you know, you know, you
know what I mean that sometimes people want you to
sign their laddie. Yeah. So anyway, if you are listening,
just know that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah. I think it multiple times. They've done it multiple
times where they have people with the same names. Oftentimes
people will get a nickname here. I think it's insane
because like, as we see, they always they always have
people on the back burner, right, they always have alternates.
It's like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Like, yeah, but you okay, I will say that are
going to be there.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
There's like, you have so many people to pick from
that year that were like close calls, like just pick
someone with a different name and then use them that.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I think that I think that's a ridiculous way to approach.
Let me say this so because because and the way
that Diana's framed the I think it's you're you're actually
right in that it's probably smart and I didn't think
this way. But if you're, say you were doing a
Survivor draft or something, when you see two Sophies, you're like, Wow,
you're right that like to have two Sophies, they probably
are pretty damn good at least as characters. Who knows,

(35:15):
as players. So I do think it does. I think
spell pretty good for their future on the show.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Only one Sophie made a big impression on me this episode.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
So Sophie with the I E. Is the one who's
done a lot of the belching and the burping and
things like that.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Correct, I don't know what you're talking about. Is that her?

Speaker 3 (35:36):
No?

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Or is that Sage? Maybe that's Stage, that's Sae. They are,
so they are, I'm.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Excusing Sage Savannah. Two Sophies and a and a another s.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
So here's what I would say in.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
One tribe.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
No way do I think they should be uh asking
or not casting one of them because there's another Sophie.
What they do need to do is the way that
like the Screen Actors Guild does it, which is that,
for instance, your name is if your name is John
Riley or Sam Jackson, you might have to become Samuel L.
Jackson or John C. Riley or whatever, or just change

(36:17):
your name entirely. So you know that, like remember when
debt Now, I don't I forget there's another Rick on
the season, but like you know, episode one, Devon's is like, hey,
can you call me Devons? You know obviously.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
That Riz God. He clarified this in his interviews is
only going by Riz God in interviews and is not
telling people that Riz God is his nickname, which I
think is a good choice.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Well, so his name is Rizzo, right, so like the
name is riz God because of that. But I don't
know if you're aware of this. There is a gen
Z term that is that is riz Yeah, so so
it kind of doubles as that. But yes, of course
it seems like he has not put that out there yet.
But yeah, I mean, look, he came off as super

(37:03):
likable this episode. But let's talk about the Sophie's because
I thought so you thought so Sophie with the eye
I imagine is the one that's jumped.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Out Sophie blairdi Yeah. To me, she's a standout. You know,
she made those connections with her meat shields with her
the two men, with Alex and Jake. I just think
she seems super easy going, confident, easy to work with.
I think she's in a good position, and uh, you know,

(37:31):
I think that it was smart to team up with
these two guys. Here they got this is the tribe
that went to tribal council. They got rid of Nicole,
which I want to know is the reason Nicole went
home because she spit water in someone's face, because that
would be enough for me to send someone home. Did
you see that moment? Her two like standout moments are
like she spit water in Jeremiah's face to get the

(37:54):
water out, and then she vomited, which like, you know
how I feel. I think I've gotten since having kids
and being pregnant and vomiting a lot, but I you
know how I feel about vomiting on TV.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, nobody likes a good vomit.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
I don't need to see it. I don't need to
see it.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, well this was to hear it.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
I don't need to see it.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
This was also they had an eating challenge. On the challenge, Uh,
there was you know, a fair amount of vomiting, but
a lot of cheating.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
I don't need it, Like, why do I need to
watch this?

Speaker 1 (38:28):
All right? So I would say that the way I
would have handled it is that I would not have
let one of them not get cast because the name thing.
But I might have asked them, hey, do either of
you have nicknames? And maybe they did do that. Maybe
neither of them wanted to go by another name and
so they didn't. And maybe that's something they try. But
I do think, yes, it would be nice because because
sometimes you don't even know when someone like, I mean,

(38:49):
I know a lot of this because I book flights
for these people, like a lot of cast members on
the challenge, like their name is not really their name.
The real name is like slightly different or whatever, whether
it's their last name or their middle name or whatever,
or whether their first name is just not what they go.
It's not really what.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
They go, but be a plot point. Maybe there'll be
like a miscommunication of someone talking about a Sophie and
it'll make somehow make its way into the season, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
So like I mean, I'll just say, like it's possible
they could have maybe convinced one of them to go
by a different name that may have been smart, and
we'll see maybe look maybe they're you know, and look,
I agree, I'd probably put Sophie blairdie up at least
after the premiere. As far as you jumped out of
me more, I thought.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
She and Savannah had similar vibes to me on their tribes,
being like smart, level headed people who can get along
with everyone but don't appear as like obvious threats to me.
I could not. I mean, maybe I could, because I
think I could win Survivor, but I would have a

(39:52):
hard time faking the astrology conversation with Shannon to me,
that's you know, I know people love it. I just
I love the honesty there of being like, are you
into astrology and straight up like nope, because that would
be our answer too. But I thought that, Yeah, Sophie
and Savannah both did a good job as sort of

(40:14):
being easygoing, likaball middle of the pack, but seem like
they have their head on their shoulder to make some
make some big strategy moves here.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, and I think that I'm with you. I get
I get good vibes from Savannah, from Sophie to lesser
an extent, but Sage, the other Sophie, even Shannon.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I don't remember the other Sophie, right.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
I guess now, I guess maybe I'm conflating her and Sage,
but yeah, maybe I don't remember the other Sofia, I'm
just kind of looking at these pictures right now. It's
like they do all give me similar vibes. Maybe it's
the pose they all are very so I guess a
lot of people do that.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Let's talk about the Jacob it all. You know, Canadians
have done well on Survivor. He's a Canadian player. I
thought it was interesting that he like vouched for Alex
without ever having really spoken to Alex. But you know,
Alex seems super likable guy. I felt so bad for
him in that challenge there. I you know, the Hymn

(41:13):
versus Rizzo challenge where they're they're competing to get those materials.
I hope to God that they showed Alex where that
wheel was so that he had proof it was there.
Wouldn't you need that, Like if you were that far
ahead and you never found it, wouldn't you be like, Okay,
before we leave, I need you to show me that
it's like here, so I don't go crazy for the
rest of my life thinking like maybe there was no

(41:35):
wagon wheel here? Mm hmm, there was no You think
they showed.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
It to him? No? Really, I mean, do you think.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
There's a world in which they like made Rizzo's more
easily accessible than it's me start to me start theories,
conspiracy theories. Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I know
it's a part of Survivor, but it seems to me
like a flaw to make the map puzzle so easy

(42:05):
to be copied. It's part of Survivor. People do it
all the time, but like in a situation like this,
like why not, Well.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
This is a big you know, topic of conversation for
the challenge as well this last week because a lot
of information.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I had high hopes for me and the challenge this year.
I came to your premiere party in New York. I
loved the premiere episode, and then I have since not
watched a single other episode, so fill me in here.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Well, so basically, there was a good amount of password
sharing and then there was a lot of just flat
out people not eating their food, but you know, just
giving of the answers and things like that, and we
talked about obviously this was sort of an unintentional giving
of the answers, But I personally think, yes, I think
copying is fine.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
It's up to the person to So there's a long
hiss history of it on Survivor, right, like teams do
it all the time. People do it all the time
on Survivor. I just think when it's like one on
one and it's so straightforward like that matching the I
don't know, I like, why not make that a rule

(43:16):
that you can't do that, Like why not wouldn't it
make it better?

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Well? What so you're not allowed to look you have
to like avert your eyes or what.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
But you could put it. I mean, like it's onnest.
The only way to see it is to go over
to it, right, Like this kind of thing, like I
get it with like big sculptures or but like there's
a ways for something like this where it can be
like in a box where you're not like the person
can't readily see it unless they actively go after.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
It, right right, right right.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
I just think like, like it's such an easy thing
to do. I guess Survivor thinks it's interesting or likes
likes the choice to cheat yehs easily preventable otherwise, so
also with Alex he or he reveals to you. I mean,
we're definitely in the era of like people all sharing

(44:02):
their SOB stories and not to belittle their SOB stories,
but you know that seems to be what the producers
really like is casting people who have are very open
about things they've overcome. And I read some tweet that
was like nothing makes like liberal people more conservative, like
watching Survivor and seeing like everybody came from you know,

(44:25):
everybody came from hardships. Everybody has their hardships they've overcome
with their family history and which you know spoke to me.
But two things right like his his he shares on
the mat. First thing, like right out the bat, he's crying.
He's sharing that this is the last season that his
dad is going to be able to actually visually see,

(44:49):
which is awesome that he made that. And then he
shares about with two people, with Sophie and with Alex,
that he is missing the birth of his first child
for this.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, I mean, well would I do it? I mean
it's like, yeah, I guess he kind of have no choice, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Choice, you have a choice. I have a lot, Like
you have a lot of questions about the preseason gaming.
I have a lot of questions about this because I
want to know what was discussed beforehand, Like what's the
plan do they tell him when his baby? You think
we get the moment where they tell him that his

(45:33):
baby was born and is healthy and everybody is healthy?

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Well, I'm sure. I mean, would you want me to
go on if I was going to miss my firstborn?

Speaker 2 (45:49):
I mean, I don't think you could win survivor, So
I think I would want to go on, but I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Well that's not how babies work, unfortunately, So yeah, unfortunately
unfortunately women would By the way, how how unfair is
that that women are never allowed to miss their firstborns
for anything? There's nothing that a woman can do.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah, So to my question, do you think that what
do you think has been worked out here? Do you
think it crosses a line if survivor tells them, that
tells him that his child has been born in him
and you know the child and the wife are healthy.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I don't know that they're allowed to do that.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
I feel like that's got to be an exception.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Why why would that be We're going to see it.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
I think we're going to see it. Why is it
an exception? Because do you really think anybody would be
mad at that?

Speaker 1 (46:44):
No? But I think that, like you know, I mean,
isn't it more the drama help him.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
In any in any way? Like game wise?

Speaker 1 (46:51):
So does doesn't everyone have things that they're leaving that
they would love updates on? Right?

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Not to this extent?

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Not to this Why you you've had people who you
have people.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
In life moments that compare to the birth of your child's.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
I mean, what didn't Adam have to wait for his
brother to come for the love ones to like tell
him how his mom was doing or whatever. Like, I
just I just think that it's part of the show.
It's part of the drama. I don't I don't necessarily like. Yeah,
I think reality shows in general take themselves too seriously,
and I think across the board more stuff like this
should be allowed. But if they are going to be

(47:26):
as strict about it as I think they are, and
maybe they just aren't, But to me, it is unfair
to the entire stress of survivor is a you're sleeping
outside and being starved, but b that your mind is
shut off to the real world and you don't have
the luxury of having your mind put at ease about
anything that you're stressing out about. And that goes across
the board. So to me, yes, I do I think

(47:48):
that Yes, would the other seventeen people be that mad
if they made an exception and told the one guy
that yes, his child is born. No, I don't think
they'd actually be upset, But I do think it would
be an unfair advantage because no matter everyone has the
things that they wish they could hear about. And like
I always say, like this just life in general, that
like the worst thing that happen to you is going

(48:10):
to feel like the worst thing that happen to you.
Whether like in a day, you know, if you get
like the worst news in the world, that's gonna feel
like the worst news in the world. If you have
a day where not that much bad stuff happens, but
you get like moderately bad news, that news is going
to feel like the worst news you got that day.
The most inconvenient thing that happens to you is going
to feel like the biggest inconvenience that you've suffered lately. Right,

(48:32):
That's why like different you know, times in life give
you different perspective when you do. When something like a
childbirth does go well, you probably for a few days
don't care how your fantasy lineup, did you know? But
like if you're having a good month and you lose
my point forward to a kicker, you know that you're
missing a field goal, you're pretty mad for an hour, right,
So on Survivor, all that stuff is in your sort

(48:55):
of peripheral, Right, you are stressing about did this happen?
Does not happen whatever, And so I do think it
would be a bit unfair to, let's say, tell Jakay
everything went off with that a hitch, your kid was
borned as well, but to not also then go to
so and so hey, just so you know that thing
that your business is going through is fine. You're not

(49:15):
losing your liquor license on your restaurant or whatever. Your
person b is stressing out from not hearing from a
loved one about So I do think that if that
is going to be an element of survivor that they
never sort of cross that line. There's been a myriad
of people, whether it's health concerns, whether it's babies, whether
it's businesses, whether it's whatever. And now I do know that, like,
for instance, on the Challenge, they have gotten a little

(49:38):
looser about allowing people to do that stuff. So like
when someone goes on the Challenge, now they work it
into their deal where they're allowed to go and do
like Instagram posts that like they've been paid to do
by brands and stuff like. They will go, they will
be supervised by a PA or cast person and they
will get to pull up their phone and they get

(49:58):
to post their like rescheduled post with whatever brand paid
them to do that post on whatever date that now
they're filming on the challenge because otherwise they go, hey,
it wouldn't be worth it for me to go film
this because you're not paying me as much as these
brands do, or like whatever it is, whether it's family,
whether it's you know, monitoring business, Hey, I have to

(50:19):
do these four things for my business that only I
can do. They're getting a little bit more compassionate about that,
and the fact that now the challenge is casting people
that have so much going on at home from a
family or business perspective, that's the only way you're going
to get them to agree to And.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I know there's like a lot of pushback on people
with kids thinking like they have you know that it
means more they have priorities.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
There's been people who have had to leave the game.
I forget who it is, but there are people who
have had to leave the game recently where they could
have very easily said, hey, we can let you make
this one phone call and bring you back in the game,
and they elected to make it that they had to
leave the game. And forget I forget what it was,
but there was someone who goes, I have to leave
because of this or whatever.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
You know, well, you know, if Jake makes it to
that loved one's letter, which is so lame, if he
makes it to that loved one's letter, you know, any
person would have to take him.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah. No, I mean, like.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
If he's I mean, I assume it's going to come
out to everybody. I think it's like, I mean, yeah,
it would be like a great thing at final tribal council.
But once you've already told two people, I don't think
you can, you know, keep that a secret for too long.
And I think it's just like the truth of it,
you know, the emotional truth of it. I think it's
going to be very evident that he's thinking about that,

(51:33):
and I think that it will only benefit him to
share that information. Yeah, I think if he gets there, like,
what a jerk are you if you don't take that
guy to hear about his.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Child's being What do you think about? I mean, I think,
tell me if I'm wrong. But I think like coming
out of this premiere, I mean there's like a fair
amount of like you know, teaming up and and things
like that. But I feel like him and Alex feel
right now like the sort of dynamic duo of the season.
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah, there was a lot of like clarifying this this
romance here, what it is.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
I want to ask you who you think does better
out of the two of them?

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Oh interesting, hmm, good question. I mean I think Sophie
does the best out of those three. But yeah, I
think that they're making it very obvious that they're duo.
And we've seen people do that in recent seasons and
everybody has let them go through, go forward that way,

(52:41):
so you know it can be done. Maybe there's something
to be said about being really honest about it, but
like look at Kyle and Camilla last season making it
through without people realizing till the end that they were
such a tight duo. So there's different ways to play this.
I think they've made it very clear. You know, they're
both strong guys. I think I think Alex has got

(53:06):
a really good head on his shoulder. We saw him
falter in this challenge here, but I think he could
do well. I mean, he's got a political mind. We
know that from his job, So I'm always curious to
see how those kind of people play.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
A lot of people agree with me that Savannah reminds
me of poverty, especially in that interview. Look where she's
got the she's got the buff on, and there's just
something about like the way the lower part of her face. God,
she's got a poverty vibe for me.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
It's growing on me. I see that more now. I
didn't see it at first, but I am starting to
see it. Try. Do you see the immunity idols, the
new tribal immunity idols, like the Gods of the sea.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Yep, those are cool.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Those are really cool. Those would be some that I
wish I could get in an auction if I had
unlimited funds.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
How Okay, So I'm not saying it's like the only
two outcomes for quote unquote older folks on Survivor, but
does feel like they either go out early or they
make it very far. What say you about Matt? Do
you think Matt is long for this game?

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah? I mean, look, he could be sitting there making
fire at the end for all I know, and killing that.
I think he played it, like I said, I think
he played it really well. He came in and you
know he has all these skills, but he didn't Boss
people around. He didn't tell people what to do. He
blended in. He only kind of whipped out his fire

(54:33):
skills at the end when it was that nobody else
had them, and so I do think he could do well.
You know, Annie seems to be on the outs here.
You know, that might not matter so much. And there's
always a chance that Sophie kind of realizes that those

(54:53):
two guys are in it together, are close, and then she,
you know, she makes something happen on the other side there.
But I think any is obviously in a tough position too.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
This is, by the way, so the reason we don't
have any more questions is we kind of covered a
couple of these matt balls asking about Blayton puzzle copying
and our thoughts on that, and then a couple Survivor
fifty questions. So like, again, I'm going to try to
like put it. Obviously, you guys had no idea, So
now that this is out there, maybe we'll kind of
table these for a season. But like Oscar asked if
it was safe to say if a certain cast member

(55:27):
is on season fifty, Trevor says, not to spoil who's
on season fifty, but how are you viewing both of them.
So a Trevor, I don't know who's on Survivor season fifty,
and so I've been trying to avoid that. He says,
do you think Survivor will purposely play both of them
in the edit to justify their inclusion on fifty to
the detriment of other players who might be great. No,

(55:47):
I don't think it's reverse engineering it that way. I
think that the reason they are probably were selected to
be on fifty is because you were probably going to
see a lot of them on the season anyway. It's
like the performance on the season is what gets both
the outcomes. They're featured a lot, and they go on fifty.
But again, I don't know who it is, so I'm
just trying to I'm trying to stay out of the
know in this regard because it would warp the way

(56:08):
I watched the season. Predictions I make things like that.
It's impossible not to predict big things from people that
you know at least made a big enough den to
be cast on fifty, whether that comes with a win
or a final tribal seat or just a great character.
Who knows. So I would be watching with one eye
on them and the other I thinking, Oh, they must
make it far because their character isn't that great, or

(56:30):
they must I don't know if they make it far
because their character's so great, which is why they were
on season fifty. So either way, I'm gonna try to like,
whether it's predictions about that stuff or otherwise, because the
information is either out there or or at least perceived
to be out there. I just I just feel like
it's unfair to people who want to stay out of
the know, myself included, which I've successfully done. So hopefully

(56:51):
if the questions don't keep piling in about that, we
would love it, and it'll just be if you're.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
In the comments to you, don't spoil it for anybody,
don't see.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Me, all right, let's get out of here. But anybody
you're you're feeling like wasn't featured a lot, and so
you don't have high hopes for them, or you think
they might be next out or is it too early
to judge in that regard? Remember that season Genevieve. After
season one, people were joking about who's Genevieve and then
she goes on to.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
You guys saying that, And who was the person that
said I don't know, And.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
She's the one who went on to season fifty for that.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Season, was her advocate there when she didn't have that
at it. Yeah, I mean, like it's been one episode,
not that much. Like we said, nothing crazy happened on
this episode. There wasn't a ton of strategizing. It as
a pretty straightforward vote here. Yeah, I wish Nicole had
used that shot in the dark here, but they did

(57:42):
a good job of convincing her clearly that she was safe.
I thought they really spoiled I thought, you know, when
he was saying that, like, yeah, we're between two people,
Like I was like a little worried, and then I
saw someone's reaction face. I was like, oh, they might
have just like kind of spoiled it there.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
How do you play.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Both of those two people should be worried?

Speaker 1 (58:05):
What a terrible non shot in the dark play. I
mean you, first of all, you just vomited everywhere. Secondly,
I mean they already basically said between two people. You
already kind of thought you were on the block, like
what you said to us, you were going to play
your shot in the dark. What changed? I have no idea,
but you.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Got to give credits to the other people, right, they
clearly did a good job of convincing her that they
were on their side.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
So all my prediction for next out is Kimberly or Jason.
So those are my picks, all right?

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Who is Kimberly.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Kimberly is known as Annie, they call Annie oh yes, yes, yes, yeah,
but her her full name written out is Kimberly Annie Davis.
So just another example of what I'm.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Talking about her on the right. What that has to
do with like her musical, to any of her music yet?

Speaker 1 (58:56):
No, but I do have it in good authority that
she uh, I shouldn't say it, never mind, okay, but.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
I will listen to her music myself.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Okay, and let us know next time. So all right,
thank you guys, appreciate it. And now that you guys
know the edict for the rest of the season, we're
going to try to keep that. Now, look, we're having
to talk survivor fifty. As far as the people, the
other people we know who are on the show, how
excited we are for things like that and whatnot, But
as far as who from season forty nine is going
to be on fifty, because now we are unaware of it,

(59:26):
we know many of you are. We're just gonna try
to keep that chatter off of the podcast and thus
but appreciate her off of the questions Pete as well.
So all right, everybody, we'll see you next week. Enjoy
episode two of Survivor.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Bye.

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