Building A Champion's Mind with Mr Universe

Champions Of Mind - 228 - Building A Champion’s Mind with Mr Universe

This week James, Rhys and Llewy welcome Mr Universe on to the COM podcast and what a show it is! Jason Corrick is an elite athlete who has been Mr Britain, Mr World and Mr Universe on multiple occasions and in this episode of the podcast he shares what it really, really takes to win at the very biggest level in sport.

He talks about how he started out at just 14 years old and how his love of competing made him dream of reaching the pinnacle of bodybuilding and never waiver from that vision until he made it his reality. He shares the dedication that it took to reach the top of an ultra competitive sport and the strain that put on his family, which culminated in hand delivered hate mail and acid attacks on his car.

As you hear in this episode Jason has an incredible energy and enthusiasm for life, so there are lessons in this episode that apply to fitness, health, success and achievement that can be applied in to all areas of life.

We would love to know your top takeaways from this episode, so let us know the lessons you’ve learned by tagging us on Insta Stories https://www.instagram.com/championsofmind/

For more tangible, actionable and usable mindset and motivational content head to the official Champions Of Mind website now via www.championsofmind.com

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the Champions of Mind podcast, weekly content to help you take your
mindset, business, health and wealthto the next level. Starring the UK's
post in demands action taking coaches Llewellynand Riese Davies, with host James Burt.

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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girlsfrom around the world. You betty
fucking hype for today. Wold,this is gonna be a fucking mega podcast
like world. Welcome to the Championsof Mind podcast, where every single week
we'll bring you tangible, actionable,a motherfucking usable from the UK's leading coaching

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brand, Champions of Mind. Nowtoday in the student you might be to
hear the background we are not alone. We're not alone. Oh no,
no, no no, We'll bestarting this podcast. You've had this a
few times recently. But we decided, and we discussed amongst ourselves that we
would only ever bring on people tothe podcast who could add genuine value to
you, guys and listeners. There'sour one hundred and eighteen countries now that
listen to the podcast every single week. Let me swallow that bit of flem
I'm getting emotion. There's a fourhundred and fifty I've gotta be honest and

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transparent. There's four hundred and fiftymister Universe, be so nervous. I
don't even look at him. Ilooked at him four hundred fifty cities tunie
in every single week. We respectyou guys massively because we get lots and
lots of people. The stats wehad when we first launched podcast, it's
like it's one hundred and thirty percentlistening a lot. It doesn't even work.
So I phoned up the company whobuds it for us, and they
said yes, because people listen morethan monsters, like what the fuck's are
all about? So you guys dopay attention, and we are massively respectful

(01:38):
of that. So we will onlyever bring you people who add value to
you tangible, actuably usable content.Today on the show, Fuck My Life
is going to be a big one. Those caffeine things are really good today
on the show. Today, onthe show, we've got a guy who
has been mister Universe. We've gota guy on the show who's been mister

(02:00):
Britton. We've got a guy onthe show who's been mister World. And
if you're thinking if they got threeguests on, no motherfucker's the same guy,
ladies and gentlemen, Jason Coach onthe show What's My Dogs The fore
Frontal. Now I've got to behonest as you might be able to tell

(02:21):
them this intro. I'm completely outof my fucking depth and met Jason the
Boy said to me, we're gonnaget Jason Croik on the show. We
said this to be a couple ofweeks ago. I was like, who's
Jason Creek. Then I was like, he's in one of our groups,
and he's like, he's a fuckingdone bro Bro And when Jurica series he
goes bro and he said that tome, he's a done. He's one
of the biggest influences in the game. He's one of the biggest inspirations that
me and Louie used to have whenwe were back in the bodybuilding in space.

(02:42):
I did a bit of digging usfuck me director we could get him
on, and then Jason said thathe come on the show. Now they
say be careful and meeting idols becausegenerally they could be a fucking assholes.
Jason's turned up. He just happensto me one of the nicest guys I've
ever met, Incredible energy and WhenI had a conversation with him off Mike
yesterday just to sort of get readyfor the interview, I was like,
fuck me, this guy has donesome stuff. He's won award since two
thousand and one. I think wasyour first ninety six, ninety six.

(03:05):
Great research there, James, congratulationsthis skinny white brick nineteen ninety six.
He last won an award in twentytwenty ten. So years and years,
twenty four years worth of success.Ladies and gentlemen. Recent lew are going
to have to take the majority ofthis conversation because I don't know what They've
been having a chat for about anhour before we's hitting a cord button.

(03:28):
I've understood about three percent of whatthe fuck's been going on. But Jason,
thank you, first of all's beenhere. It's a pleasure. Thank
you for having me. Were massivelywell, the boys, especially massively respect
the man who you are, thesuccesses that you've had, the journey that
you've been on. It's starting whenyou were fourteen. You're still going strong.
Now. How did you get intothe bodybuilding space per se because you

(03:49):
are a global icon, as theboys have been telling me, Well,
if all started at fourteen years old. My dad was a heavyweight boxer,
and a guy he used to workwould come up our house and visit.
And he came up one day.We're in a sleeveless top and a waistcoat
and geez side of his bloody arms. I wouldn't mind arms like that.

(04:09):
So we got chatting, and thenthe next couple of weeks he was sending
Home Health and Strength magazine with mydad to give to me, and I
started reading the magazines and thinking,wow, look at these guys here.
One day I could be mister Universe. So ever since I was fourteen,
I had this bit of a dreamthat I wanted to be mister Universe.
And the guy kept continuingly sending methe magazines, and the more I read

(04:31):
them, the more I was gettinginto it. And then for Christmas wire
one year and my dad brought mea set of weights, and that was
just the start. Then every sortof six months we kept adding to buy
extra weight as I was getting strongerand stronger, and we kept all this
upstairs in my bedroom. We're gettinglike five six hundred pounds in weight upstairs
in my bedroom while I'm trying tobench breast to a three hundred. Then

(04:54):
my mum's downstairs moaning that the lambshaped or stopped the buying, you know,
so we had to move outside.And then when I was fifteen,
my dad's friend offered to take meto our local gym, but obviously I
was too young to train, andhe had a quiet word with the owner
and then he said, if youcome in on a Saturday afternoon, he

(05:15):
can do some training. So Iwas looking forward to this, so I
went and they were quite gobsmacked howstrong I was it fifteen years old,
and then it's seventeen. I wasgetting stronger. I was also boxing.
Sixteen, I was playing rugby formy town in county and going for under
sixteen England trials for schools, sothe waits were definitely helping me get stronger

(05:38):
and faster. Then I started gettinga little bit too big for boxing.
I couldn't quite keep my elbows chuckedin. So that was it. When
I was seventeen eighteen, I joinedthe gym and I've never looked back since.
It can I jump in right.I worked with a lot of people,
and I'll speak to a lot ofpeople, and I see a lot
of people's ambition fluctuate depending on whatother people are doing. Right, what

(06:02):
would you say was your biggest driverto stay the fucking course from Maine of
fourteen to being fifty one years young? Now? Because Jesse right, listening
listeners, there's a lot of fuckingfew gazes out there. A lot of
people are fake. So a lotof people that would be committed for a
month then they'll fuck off for sixweeks. Sure you don't do that.
I never seen you do that,So so how can you give these people

(06:24):
advice? Because you've done it forforty years? Yeah, long time,
you know, Come on, giveus some advice because I look at you
very differently to how I look ata guest because you're from Sport. Many
stream my whole life, bro,you know, and to get up every
day and be motivated as a fuckingchun So I respect anyone that does it.
So what advice can you give tomy listeners that fluctuate in their their
commitment? Sure? Well, um, it's very started really for me when

(06:49):
obviously buying these magazines, and itbecame bodybuilding looking looking at these magazines,
and obviously then I wanted to bemister mister universe. So these are my
school days and when I left school, I continued with the weights, and

(07:12):
my mum and dad were always veryvery solidly backing me and everything I wanted
to do. And when I hitnineteen, um, I'm sort of thinking,
there's a couple of guys at ourgym were into competing, yeah,
and other way. This is allright, this is what it's all about.
I need to find out about this. So when I was joined the
gym, then none of them reallywanted to give me any advice. No,

(07:36):
no, yeah. They didn't likethe fact that I could bench press
three hundred pounds, you know,at a very early age, and I
was strong. There was no doubtabout that. I was doing dips with
one hundred and twenty pound dumbbells ramawaist you know, for like twenty reps
yea. And there was this airof jealousy coming about already. Um.

(07:56):
So then when I hit twenty one, that was one I fully decided I'm
going to do my first contest.And nobody told me anything, nobody given
me any advice. I did itall myself. So recently I was eating
cod in parsley sauce, which obviouslylast week in the bags on a good
day, you have two or threeat Yeah. And I was always brought

(08:22):
up on farms. My aunties hadfarms, et cetera. So every bit
of food we had were always quitebig portions and good wholesome food. And
so to come into a diet thenafter eating good wholesome food, stews,
casseroles, all this, it's like, whoa, this is a bit of
a shock. And as I said, I did my own thing on cotting,
parsley, saucing, boiling the bagrice that and I did my first

(08:43):
A and B show, which standsfor Amateur natural bodybuilding, And this was
down in Exeter, and and Iwon. And then my mum and dad
was sat behind me. You've heardall these people, So have you seen
the size of this this new guy, like bloody owl and all the snats
so straight away that I gave youa nice warm yeah. I like that,
you know. And that was adrive Again, I'm going to do
another contest. I like this,I've won the first one. I like

(09:07):
this feeling. And two months laterI did an open show. Now this
was really a deep end. NowI was just a little natural twenty one
year old, and I went tothis show down in Devon and Exmouth,
sorry in Sidmouth, and in theopen show I was up against the guy
I never forget. His name isa lovely guy called Mike Paige, and
he was twenty stone and six footfour six foot five, some of them

(09:31):
little than a stone. It wasgiveaway. But anyway, I came third,
and this is all right, um, So well, I knew by
then I had to come away andreevaluate things to get bigger to where I
wanted to be. And obviously stillbuying the magazines and looking that, I
knew what I had to do,and I researched everything. Nobody was again

(09:52):
really giving me much help. Bythen I was in all the local newspapers
and becoming quite fa taunting lad youknow. Um. But as I carried
on with my with my training andcompeting, began to develop a lot of
jealousy. Yeah, and I meanjealousy. It's worst kind. Really,

(10:13):
seriously, what would you okay?Would you say hate? Yes? Okay?
Fine, to the point of hateokay? Yeah, And I'll elaborate
on that in a bit. Butso as as I was winning these local
shows, et cetera, and Igot into all the papers, I was
getting local sponsorship from farms with freerange eggs. Butchers were giving me meat,

(10:35):
you know. In all this,and I'd not long passed my driving
test at seventeen and two years laterI had a little sponsored car which was
fantastic. You know, hey,bloody mobile. Now this is stuffing me
now, Yeah, And it wasjust great. And I was getting stronger.
I was getting bigger. I hadgone within like three years, I'd
gone from eleven stone to fourteen anda half stone, and I was beginning

(10:58):
to look like a bodybody, yeah, exactly. And in nineteen ninety six
I qualified from my Sorry, innineteen ninety two, I qualified from my
very first Mister Universe. So thiswas rough old. As you hear,
I would be twenty three super sofor those that are listening, you know,

(11:24):
to have mature muscle at twenty threeto be on a Mister Universe stage,
it was quite hard to achieve,isn't it. So after seven years
of leaving school to follow my dream, I was on that stage. But
just to stop me from one second, guys, did you hear what he
said? Probably about six minutes ago, I asked, Jason, you know
what, what advice could he giveyou? To be committed, and he
didn't answer because he's too busy deliveringcontent. But what he did say you

(11:46):
should all should have picked upon withyour notepads and pen He said he did
it because it made him feel good, So there was no external factors.
I played a part in the decisionshe had to make, because a lot
of people that listen to this areprobably objectively driven financially and emotionally. If
you can underline your actions with afeel good factor, you'll have no reason
to start. Exactly. Mister universethat could pick up the weights and attain

(12:09):
the body and get through the dietdid it because he felt good. Yeah,
I did this for the love ofit. This was a passion.
I wasn't I didn't need to bedriven by money, and even to this
day, I'm really not driven bymoney. It's about feel good. I'm
older and wiser now, so mytime for me to in healthis is more

(12:30):
valuable. Exactly. So it wasa pure passion and love for it.
Determination. Can I tell you somethingright your old school Yeah, yeah,
I'm telling you now. The marketplaceas we stand now is driven not a
passion anymore. But no, it'snot. It's a it's a joke.
And I think now and I'm sohappy that you're on the show. People
lack your drive because they don't knowwhat they love that you lose it.

(12:58):
I kind of feel that we objectwe have to try and get his message
out towards many people in the NewAge fitness era, because it ain't about
your glute self is anymore and allyour macro account. It's about pursuing happiness
through massive work ethic and involve anindustry. Yeah, definitely, definitely,
you know, and obviously in thisday and age now we see the fitness

(13:18):
industry is driven by let's take aselfie, let's do this Instagram, et
cetera. Yeah, exactly. Um, soon be going back now to as
I was saying, my passion anddrive for this, and I said,
picking up the point where we arebringing, I experienced jealousy on the worst
ever level. Now, Um,when I came into my first universe,

(13:43):
I came seventh in my very firstuniverse. And when I'd go back to
the gym in Somerset, I'd takemy trophy and I say, there you
go, guys, seventh from thework and all the allowed to be saying,
yeah, he's good, but he'snot that good. Oh really,
well, he's not been up againstanyone. So I've just come seven from
the world that's over one hundred countries. How can I not be So I'll

(14:03):
take the trophy back home. Youdon't want to display it, that's fine,
take it anyway. The following yearI came fifth. In my second
Mister Universe took the trophy down fifthin the world. Now third, third
year, third, So in nineteenninety six and I won my very first
Mister Britain m and my Mister Universeall in the same year. So but

(14:30):
in that time getting to the MisterUniverse. In ninety six, I have
a little sponsored car four thirty inthe morning. I'm always up at four
three doing cardio and yeah yeah,So I opened the curtains and I look
out to my car. Where's thepaint gone? Where? It was a
nice red Persian I had at thetime. Somebody poured nit remorse over it

(14:50):
and slashed all the tire as theywere trying to stop me from going to
the Mister Universe show. And Igot right fine, so I rang the
guy up. The sponsored me goes. You gotta get to Burmi him,
you've gotta do the universe. Isaid, yeah, I know, I
said, don't look like I'm gonnabe going. He goes rubbish. She
said, I'll send you another car. So anyway, I've got to the
universe and I want it um.But at the point I just missed there

(15:11):
as well. Is three days upto that show. I'm on the exercise
bike in the morning. My mumand dad was still in bed, and
I heard the letterbox go, andso I gets off the bike, picks
up. I got too early forthe postman the petrol b It was an
envelope, so it wasn't sealed.So I opened it and inside it was

(15:35):
all little letters cut out from thenewspaper in the old school, old school
hate mail, and it was tomy mom and dad. It was addressing,
We've seen the way you look atyour fucking son and think the sun
shines out of his bastard ass andall that, and I never forget it.
And then I heard my mom movingup stairs. I've got I've got
to I've gotta hide it, youknow. So I put it under the

(15:56):
under the sofa, under the cushionson the sofa, carried on with bike
as if nothing happened. I thenwent to work and I came home and
to find my mom sat on thesofa with the cushions up, crying her
eyes out. She'd found the letter. Now that you've fucking evil bastard,
you've done that to my dear Omum. Yeah, and so that was
it. That was then my drive. I'll fucking show you yeah yeah,

(16:19):
and that was it, and thatwas my passion. Then just changed and
took it for Okay, bigger,I'm gonna for a question, yeah right.
One of the biggest fears that areconfronted by by successful business owners is
the fear of being judged. Yes, now, as a bodybuilder, you
put yourself on stage, oh god, yeah, yeah, you're going to
be judged physically, and before youget on stage, you get judged on

(16:42):
stage and sort of opinion based.Then you get sucking judged by other people
when you get off. That's right. Yeah yeah. So here's the thing
I want the listeners to really understandwhat's happening here. Right, Jason Ko,
extremely successful guy on your journey,You've received hate, Yeah, you've
judged. Why haven't you been fearful? And why hasn't that stopped you,

(17:04):
because I'm hoping your answer will inspiresome of these pusses on that listen to
this, because in all that adversaryadversity, sorry m everybody wanted me to
fail, and I wasn't going tofail. I had a dream and that
wasn't going to stop me. Ihad all the support I needed from the
people I needed, and that's allthat mattered. No one else matters.

(17:25):
Bodybuilding to me was about me.It was about me achieving what I want
to do, and that was thegoal for everyone. For everyone listening,
please understand that the goal doesn't haveto be a first place, the second
place, to a third place.It could just be continuing your journey if
you're not in a position to dothe work to become a Mister Universe or

(17:47):
whatever it is you want to become. As long as you don't quit,
the hate is never win, andit's about continuously pursuing time and time again
and just not falling back or foldingbecause of the hate that he received.
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Everytime you to get to that level,
you know it's you're gonna I knewI was going to get knockbacks, but
that was part of the success todrive me to right, I've got to

(18:08):
beat that. I've got to beatme. I'm not out there to beat
anyone else. I had to beatme. You know, if I came
for a second last time, whydid I come second? So I'd be
looking at my competitions there. Right, you've got bigger legs, So I'd
need that year then to go andway to train to get those bigger legs
and keep everything in balance, symmetryeverything, you know, I'd because you

(18:29):
know, a bodybuilding is super criticalof yourself more than anyone else. Nobody
else mattered there. Yeah, JayCutler says part of being a championship bodyboard
of his respecting the fact that you'renever going to be perfect never. Yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah, youknow, fifty one years old, I'm
still like driving it. I'm stillnot happy with this, you know,
and I think that's always going tobe the case as long as you're a

(18:52):
bodyboard or in that sort of thing. Yeah, anyone, business, everything,
Definitely let me pull some wisdom outhere, guys, listen, Jason
keeps refer him up to bodybuilding them. Let's make this transferable to business and
life and relationships and everything, right, you're never gonna be where you want
to fucking be if you're driven.Oh yeah, it's never gonna be.
But you can't allow that to fuckingstop you. So recently, our business

(19:15):
has changed where people are not achievingthe level of success they want to so
they fucking yeah, but they theyleave. Listen, when Jason's not achieving
what he wants to achieve physically basedon his competition, he's putting more weights
on the bar, right, He'sputting more load on to enjoy more pain
because the count's going to grow fromit. But everyone else guess what they

(19:37):
do. They deal load someone else'sfault. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
that always the case. Exactly,Yes, James is speaking. I think
one of the really important things isthat you said there, if you look
back at you pulled seventh, fifththird, then you want it. Yeah,
that's four years to get to thegoal that you had. But you

(20:00):
said a really interesting point there.He said, I needed that year to
get that part, that body partwhere I needed it to be. So
many people who listen to this,if they don't get a result in a
week, they stop fucking doing it. You're talking about like, oh,
I need to get a slightly better. Fucking look on my legs. That
was fucking technical. But then you'reyou're willing to do twelve months worth of
work to do that one fucking thing. I mean, that's that's full frontal.

(20:23):
You know everybody wants it today.Yeah, it takes time. It
takes maturity, that muscle to mature, and it's the same with the business.
It has to grow, you knowwhat I mean. And if you
don't give it that time, it'sremember in that time, you're going to
go through different methods. You're goingto change your diet, you're going to
have different relationships. You've got tobe prepared to test things, allow them

(20:45):
to fin Yeah, of course sacrifice, you know. I think the other
big thing that differentiates you from somany other people is that you said you
had a dream when you were fourteenyears old, you just were not going
to quit two You fucking got it, and then you utilized you know,
the the acid over the car andthe fucking threats from the front door and
someone upsetting your mum. You usethat as genuine fuel. Lots of people
say I've got a dream, butif the dream doesn't come to fruition within

(21:07):
fucking three to six months, andI just shift the dreams you've just held
it from as well as why shouldI sacrifice my dream because someone else's opinion
of me or what I'm doing.He's not in there. You know.
That's tough shit. Yeah, that'smine, that's mine. You're not taking
it and nobody else. Is assimple as that. And I'm going to
do what I want to do,and that's what you're gonna do. I

(21:30):
have a bit of a bit ofa problem here. Jason's a rarity because
he's selfish to the point where hedoes what he wants to fucking doing fun
everyone else. And that's what meand my brother have coached for many,
many years. We've said, youhave to be selfish until you can be
selfless. Yes, me of coach. And the only issue that I have
is that you're a minority. NowI'll say you're two percent. And what

(21:52):
I mean by one person, yeahone percent. You're operating a very profound
space, strong space, and ninetynine point people don't. So what I'm
saying to people is this right ifyou can listen to Jason and understand he's
only achieved this level of success basedon his ability to back himself fully without
the need for external validation, sohe don't need people to kiss his ass

(22:14):
because he's doing it from south forfish himself. I think it will help
you will massively move forward to whatto what you want to move forward to,
not what your networking event wants tomove forward to what the fucking fitness
industry wants you to move forward to. But if you can do something you
love like Jason has, there's longevityand sustainability in now and that that's a
really big Jameson you agree with me, that's a really profound message I'm getting

(22:36):
from him. You know, fiftyone been training from the age of fourteen,
conquered and achieved fucking everything because helikes it complex, simplicity. Yeah,
isn't it just you've obviously you've overcomelots of jealousy and lots of envy
and lots of you know, thegreen eyed monster over the years. How
did you deal with it the firsttime? Because, like I said,
you're a nineteen year old kids,you've you're in the gym, no one's

(22:56):
are supporting you, no one reallywants you to do well as a kid.
You know, from a normal familybackground. You just fell in love
with the sport of money to bethe best here. How did you actually
what did you feel the first timeyou experienced it and how did what was
the self talk you had to tellyourself? Well, when I first experienced
it, Um, there was disappointment. Um, there was anger yeah,

(23:18):
um, and I just had touse both of those a lot of mixed
emotions as well as that. Youknow, when I'm thinking that, why
why would you even have to attackmy mom? Yeah? When all she's
done was if you've come up myhouse, she's fedia. If if you've
come up here, she's giving youa drink, you know what I mean,
that's just where we are. Sowhy would you have to do that?
And I just thought that. Thenall those emotions became part of my

(23:41):
drive again. It was like puttinga supercharger or a turbo charger on my
on my engine. You know,I'm going fucking faster and you ain't going
to stop me? Ye? Simple? Yeah, that's it. That's it.
And how did you transfer that emotionallyinto your Was it just extra work
ethic or every time every time Iwas in the gym, every negative comment
was another afternone my arm? Yeah, okay, that's an extra ten pounds

(24:03):
on that bar. Yeah, that'sit. You know, slagged me again.
Say what you want, I'll hearit. I don't need to even
come, you know, confront anybodyabout it. I'm doing it here in
the gym. I'll step on stagemy proofs. But for me personally,
when you say stuff like that,I love it because you didn't crumble and
do it. You didn't to expressany negative actions towards the comment. You

(24:26):
used it as a driver. Yeah. Me and wees always get why are
you used too? So angry orso how bent? Unachieving? If you've
been through what we've been through fuckinglife, you'll understand the least we can
do is win. Yeah, yeah, this is the least we can do.
So when you see mister Universe fromthe fucking arms at fifty one years
of age, training with the intensitythat he trains that if your bed over

(24:47):
single arm rows, that ain't aman that's had to not overcome anything.
There's a purpose behind those aggressive repspeg. Yeah, definitely, you know,
and like I said, through thewhole process as well, I'd see
my mum nearly have a breakdown whereshe was funding me to do it.
You know, it wasn't until Igot the sponsorships with a food and extra
that. But nevertheless, you know, if I needed this for a contest

(25:08):
or whatever, she was doing itand she didn't had a breakdown for it.
So again, all these emotions,what I was seeing from her and
experiencing from what other people wanted tothrow at us, all was like,
fine, you keep throwing it,because like you ain't stopping me the more
you throw it. I'm going simpledefinitely, just just based on Jason's age.

(25:29):
I've just been doing a bit ofstudying, right, and I've been
studying a man who I'm respecting theMaya called Dan Penia, half American and
half Mexican, right, seventy twoyears of age, six foot three,
two forty pounds, that's right.He teaches people how to make billions of
pounds and part of his first seminarieshe makes people have a straight now right
in suits, like you want tohave business to fight, right. It's

(25:52):
very controversial, very much up ourstreet, yes, full front or and
he's dinner study sorry, right,So it's just in a study on testosterone
levels in men from fifties to nowand handshake pressure and he said, the
pressure of a gentleman's handshake has decreasedby x amount because now society is breeding

(26:18):
fucking pusses. If you were tomeasure at the volume of fucking active mobile
sperm from the average man now tothe average man in the fifties and sixties,
it's decreased because society is breeding fuckingsoft, feminine, feminine pussies.
Yeah. So the reason why Iwanted to throw that here now because I
think, again, you can bea throwback based on your society in the

(26:41):
time we were born. Because now, like you see it that you're on
Facebook and Instagram, memory, ponytailsand all that shit, right, which
is absolutely fine, But it's like, where's the world fucking going too?
Does that make sense? And Ithink you know, if we look at
like Jason, if we look atElliott Wold, and we look at David
Shepherd, we all speak the sameWe've all got the fucking same throw about
mindset. We're just fucking roughnecks becausewe do it for ourselves. Of course,

(27:03):
I just want to just throw thatout there because but I think one
thing everyone needs to understand this.Most successful people have these traits where do
or die people that have huge driversgreater than the objective of the trophy of
the first place. Often, we'veall come through adversity, we've all had
it a little bit hard, andpeople have tried to free out in front
of us. So I want allthe listeners to understand one thing that the

(27:27):
level of success that you reach orhit will probably be predicated on the amount
of ship you go through to getthere. Do not think this is going
to be an easy route or aneasy road. This is the first time
I've met Jason today, and Ididn't know anything about his story, and
I find it quite refreshing that hetoo had to battle against an opposing force
to achieve greatness, but with thatopposing force was a driver for him.

(27:48):
So that's great. How have youever come up against discrimination because you're a
big count, right, yeah,so how do you deal with it?
Because you speak softly and you've gota lovely locable energy quite contributor, how
lucky? Yes, definitely. Yeah. Well I've always judged by our look.
You know, if if I usedto have short air'd likely look even
more of a bloody thug, youknow, and and i'd get some I'm

(28:10):
very fortunate enough because when I usedto go out clubbing, etcetera like this,
and I never really had any confrontationof anyone wanted to try and pick
a fight or anything like that.It was always very humbling. Everybody wanted
to come up and shake my hand, or you would get the old person
that would look at me as ifsay, fuck, ain't going near that,
and you would see them gently backingoff, and it was like,
well, do you'd be like thatto me? Because that's so not me,

(28:32):
you know, you know, Andif someone staring at I think the
first thing I think if I gotgravy damn a shirt or something hardcore.
But you know, that's how itwas. I did have some um people
think it because I'd be wearing avest, or because they used to a

(28:55):
lot of the American bodybuilders back inthe day were gay or whatever. I
used to get call or you mustbe getting yeah right now. You know.
It just wasn't the case, butjust some strange, strange misconceptions of
what it's all about, isn't it, you know? And I think even
to this day that sort of stereotypinga bit is always going to linger.
M Maybe some cases, certain thingsthat would be stronger. But I don't

(29:19):
know where do you see bodybuilding thefitness industry in the next three to five
years, because, to be honest, in the last ten years, you
know, it's evolved massively. It'sgone from hardcore to mainstream, and as
it goes more mainstream, it becomesmore diluted. People are now buying fads.
I'm thinking fads equals results when weknow we spoke about earlier. You

(29:40):
pick up the bar, you liftit as heavy and often as possible,
You eat good, and you growmuscle energy fuel. I was part of
Team Lean, David McIntosh, Jamie, Joe, how me and my brother
out all the pretty boys I grew. I went from fifteen stone looking slender
model. Yeah, eighteen stone.They foot me off the team hence with
Martin not fend of Yeah. SoI went from being this fucking the marketable

(30:07):
mat Lean where you're on the sideof all the vehicles. That's right,
everyone loves you. What team wouldI be on? My way? So
that to me was like, ohmy god. The fucking shifts up.
Yeah, kicking the teeth where yousee it them, bro, because you're
obviously been in it for fucking decadeslonger than me, I think the biggest

(30:30):
thing. I mean, bodybuilding hasalways been my passion and regardless of the
fitness industry and how it's gone andgoing, um, it's never really affected
me while I was at the top, if you like, Yeah, because
um, my thing was but thebodybuilding, the sponsors I had wanted me
for that, so I was there, you know, regardless. And I've

(30:52):
been all over the world at theexpose, although as I said, not
a full grown pro, but Iwas living the life of a pro for
over for the last ten years,you know, and even to this day
It's been ten years now since I'vecompeted, but even to this day,
I still have three or four bigmajor sponsors. Yeah. So um,

(31:14):
And as as I was talking aboutnow a little bit is I now prepare
people for contests and and you know, personal training for people that want to
lose weight even to just get confidenceback up, the whole the whole picture,
you know. So I'm still heavilyinvolved in the industry if you like,
in that respect, and I alsojudge contests as well. Now to
give a little bit out because I'vebeen We've I've done Naba before with the

(31:38):
IBFA at the moment. Yeah,and certain open little open shows asked me
to do it as well. Soagain I'm up and down the country a
lot doing what I love. Basically, still heavily involved in it. But
in terms of the federations now,etcetera, I do feel now as you
just said, it's diluted, whereasgoing back ten fifteen years, we used

(31:59):
to have the E, FBB andNabbah. The FBB is now UKBFIG.
That was big guy for sure,FBB. What was his name. He's
a unit. Seen him with someof your pictures, old school bloke fifties.
He's in his fifties or sixties,I can't remember. He's really big
tool thing as well, White,Unreal. You'll know him if you're seeing

(32:20):
him. Unreal, Phizzy Cold pullhis name out. Yeah yeah. Um.
So we had those two main ones, and we had Wabber in the
NAC, which were like smaller atFEDS a little bit. That's four now
there's probably seven or eight. Yeah. You know you've got the PC.
Yeah, they seem to be.They're doing very well and I think,
you know, I'm not knocking thePC at all, and I think it's

(32:43):
great what to what Ryan's doing.And that. But again I think they
started off with good intention and Ithink that's been dwindled down a little bit
now um well again yesterday are bringinggreat numbers to the to the stage,
and I still feel that for me, NABA is still the most prestigious federation,

(33:04):
second in Britain. Fantastic. Ithink Jason bring me back, Jason,
bring me back. We need tocome back. We need to let
me bring you back. Another questionthat I want you to be really opinionated,

(33:25):
because what's your opinion on board shortsthat category? Because I've been I
want to Netflix now if I gotdocumentaries right to two quarters of Netflix documentaries
is about physique trading. Yeah,it's taken over everything. And the other

(33:50):
quarter is CrossFit CrossFit, and thenyou've got one Ronnie Corman documentary, You've
got Pumping Iron and everything else isjust proper generic ya. So what's because
you're you're old like a pioneer,So what's your opinion of it? Boss?
Personally, I don't like the boardshorts. I think why purely because
I mean, these guys, let'sface it, they're still dieting hard.

(34:12):
Yeah, you know to get inthe conditioning out so you can't knock them
for that. Yeah, they're stilltraining damn hard. Yeah, let's not
knock them for that. But whyaren't they training the legs hard? Is
their upper body? So that's whyyou're going to cover them up. I
don't get it. Let me tellyou, because is that my category to
know? No? No, no, you're in the different still be as
well? Okay, Yeah, Andthey followed four of the top board short

(34:38):
physique in the world, and theywere like, the reason why this is
what they said on Netflix. Thereason why I mean this category because I
don't like to train train the legs. Yea, I have a problem,
and you have a problem with that. I don't. I don't get it.
You don't have a problem in thatthey train their legs ignorance, They
just don't train legs. Yeah.Sure, but but you got the likes
of radiople and a big up,big up to the man I'm about to

(35:00):
mention Tyler Smith. Yeah, fantastic, Yeah, pick up Tyler Smith who
had a kidney transplant. It wasa heavyweight bodybuilder champion. Yeah, definitely
right, you think top three,not top three, and he had a
kidney transplant. And now we're justboard shorts. Yeah, I think he
just got fourthly. And this isthe thing as well, because he's prepped
with a friend of mine, JamesLewell. Interruption and James actually put a

(35:22):
picture up of him without board shortsand he goes, it's such exactly.
That's what I mean. So you'vegot somebody that is training them, why
don't they just want to Oh,it's just you're not into it. I'm
not into it now. That's alsoas well. I want to add something
for me personally. It's an industrythat's evolved but took out something that's real

(35:45):
hard way. You know, whenyou're a bodybuilding and we trained with Cecil
Crowisdale. We went to the Jimmy'sold school. He's your age. You
know. The big test is whereyou do the squats at the end of
the session. Yes, and theyput four plates on aside and they say
twenty five reps. You look atyour brethren, Rember falling over and passing
out. Yeah, you know,the ball shorts. People don't have that

(36:05):
luxury now they don't. Yeah,no, not at all. I mean
this is one of the things aswell. Obviously, as I said,
I judge as well. And sowhen it comes to judging. Obviously,
we've got the bikini girls as well. Some of them look good, you
know, but they look good inmy eyes for the beach. And when
we've got from a judging point ofview, when you've got thirty forty girls

(36:28):
up there, it's like, well, what am I looking at? What
am I judging? What can Ijudge? And it's just hard work and
I'm just thinking, well, dowe judge the best bump? And we'll
get that wrong. We can't politicallyjust judge on the best bumb So it's
just like presentation the walk they dothat with it. I'm waving their arms,

(36:52):
yeah exactly, and I'm just saying, oh, here we go again,
Yeah, here we go again.And it's just nah, you know.
Even the board shorts guys, they'regoing to do a little bit of
that as well. Twas um.It's just so dear and just for the
listeners. So you get this theright gist with this, we're not discrediting
anyone or saying that they're not good. We're saying openly that they're absolute brilliant.

(37:15):
But for people like Jason that havepioneered a household name in the country,
it's important that he strays true tohis values and his beliefs. Here's
an old school bodybuilder. Without oldschool bodybuilding, the board short category wouldn't
have happened. Without old school bodybuilding, the bikini category wouldn't happened. It's
his job to remain true to whyhe started. Because if people like Jason

(37:37):
evolved with an industry that's being diluted, where does it go. It finishes
and we can't have that. Sothis is Jason not critiquing anything, but
staying true to the beliefs that havecreated the success for here. At the
end of the day, people's opinionsmatter. When I've achieved something, it's
just that fucking symbol. So I'mjust gonna finish it up. A couple
of questions that I know the listenersare going to be asking. I've got

(37:58):
one. You can ask it first. Funnel, So you had a certain
mindset when you were trying to getto the top. Your big dream from
the age of fourteen was to bemister Universe. What happens the day after
you've become mister Universe? What doyou taste? Well? That day was
quite an interesting question actually, becauseum, we've for me now that's obviously

(38:20):
put the icy on the cake.Um. I wasn't out to win it
to try and think, oh Christ, I'm going to be sponsored now,
I'm never going to work again,although that is the case, and that
is how it turned out. Iwas very lucky on the day of winning
Mister Universe that I had my firstbig major sponsor, and that's with the

(38:42):
Vironmax Nutrition and I'm still with himnow to this day, which has been
over ten years, and and Samirhas been true to his word the whole
way through that, you know,which is rare, which is you know,
it's not I've not been dropped becauseI'm not competing. I've still heavily
involved with them and they're going fromstrength to straight. Um So, in

(39:02):
terms of that, I'm truly trulygrateful. Um So, just from winning
Miss Universe and that is is fantasticin itself for me. Um with that
sponsorship as well. That's it's alsotook me all over the world. You
know, I've done tours around Poland, We've been going to gym's doing seminars.
I've been guest posing in shopping mallswhen you know, and it's been
fantastic. It's been an absolutely incrediblejourney. I've been like in Poland,

(39:28):
I get picked up in a bigHummer bodies, four blokes in big black
jackets, like, oh god,only taking me up. Been taking to
a nightclub and I'm just sat therewith twenty bloody people drinking vodka and just
having a dance and it's fantastic,you know. So it's just gone from
like one extreme to the other,really sort of things that I've been to
Germany, I've been everywhere around theworld doing it, um, and it's

(39:51):
just nice that I can do whatI love and not have to think about
it. Gratitude, Yeah, people, people listen to me. You don't
know him and you can't see him, Mum, sat next to the fucker.
He's got proper gratitude, Like he'sreally grateful a lot of people.
But right that, you know,I've given him an awful lot, you
know, two hundred thousand pounds.I've traveled the world now, new houses,

(40:14):
new cars, and they're still notfucking happy. Mate. That then
they're never gonna be, never gonnabe the chasing something that will remain for
ever elusive. You's know what I'msaying. And I'm just learning from you
watching that there. He has genuinegratitude, you know what I mean,
being to Poland, been to Germany, and what I love he said that
six times in his interview, doingwhat I love, still doing what I
love. Definitely, definitely, youknow, I think the minute I lose

(40:37):
that will be one of your biggestdrivers with your passion line had a period
where you actually weren't passionate about becausebecause obviously, within this sport you have
to do pretty much the same thingday in day out, the same ship,

(40:57):
train the same ship, I assume, But have you ever got two
points? It's just like fun.I've just had enough of this for a
bit. There was a point,Um, I had a bit of a
health scare ten years ago. Um, when I got to my biggest I
was thirty seven years old, andI was not far off nineteen stone at
five foot five with abs. Forthose of you who don't know, listen

(41:20):
at home. Apparently that makes abig difference because to be that weight most
people at nineteen stone eighteen fact,and that's you know, that's fact.
And I wasn't um. And I'vealways trained heavy, stupidly heavy sometimes and
you know, I still leg pressfifteen fifteen hundred pound, which is about
what was that, thank you?Uh, you know, about seven hundred

(41:44):
and fifty kilos some of that it'sabout forty James and remember forty plates,
So that's forty twenty kilo plates.Yeah. So I'd get to like eight
reps, have a nosebreed white mynose, and then do another eight and
then before I get off. Yeah, and then I just started getting out
of breath doing legs and us andthen I got checked out and my heart
was in large. So the doctorstold me to stop everything. I can't

(42:07):
train every I can't eat what Ido. I had to lose weight,
and I followed the doctor's device,and my god, for the first time
in my life, I was thirtyseven years old and I was lost.
Yeah, absolutely, there's no otherword lost. Yeah, if you I
no longer knew who I was.I was feeling, Yeah, horrible,
absolutely nervous and panic. Nervous panic. How you two went through after boxing?

(42:30):
Yeah, the magazine. I didn'teven know my name. You can
imagine now that coming out of thearmy, can't you know? It's like
fitting in Suddenly you've become that regimentinstitutionalized by your passion, James, institutionalized
by your passion. Yeah, exactly. And I, you know, I
was taking my missuster work, cominghome, sitting down, putting the TV

(42:50):
on because I wasn't I've never worked, I've been sponsored, you know,
And suddenly it's like shit, nowI can't train. Now I can't do
this. And if you came inand said, Jay, what you're watching,
I have no idea, absolutely noidea. How long this went on
for nearly three years. Yeah,And it got to the point where I
actually said to my missus, Isaid, my partner, I said,
if I don't feel any better comeMonday, I'm going to the doctors because

(43:14):
I'm depressed. Yeah, I canfeel it, and I don't like this
feeling out, you know. Andluckily a friend of mine rang me and
asked me to if I would doa guest spot, and which gave me
a goal again if you liked,you know, yeah, and then I
right, I need to find otherways of doing what I love doing more.

(43:34):
I lost three years worth, whatthe hell? So I had to
find ways of doing it in adifferent way, you know, which wasn't
going to really affect my heart andhelp too much improved, Yeah I did.
Yeah, hold you to get morein touch with your mind, yes,
yeah, yeah, yeah your spirituality. Yeah, definitely, probably detach
yourself from your ego a bit.Yeah yeah, you know what I mean,
Well, I mean to be fairego thing, and obviously this comes

(43:59):
into it play a lot. Inever really well, I said, maybe
you always we all think this,but we don't really have a major ego
because when the way I looked atI've always done what I've loved, so
it doesn't become my ego. Wasa lot of again universe Hey you know,
yeah, I've never been like that. You know, I just do
what I do. M so,but it was now a case of me

(44:21):
slightly having to reinvent myself and comeback again. And then I did his
guest spot. And then, likeI said, this funny story I was
telling you earlier, Um, Icame back from the party after the guest
spot, and I had this phonecall anyway, so it went on like

(44:46):
this, and uh, yeah,I had his phone call from Wayne Damelia
and he was Joe Weeders, BenWeeders right hand man, you know,
running the Olympia and stuff like that. And he asked me if I would
um enter his contest in London inthree weeks time at the Hemel Hempstead,
and I think Wayne Demelia, thisis a joke, like was it reing
me for you know? Anyway,low and behold it was Wayne Dimelia.

(45:09):
And three weeks later I ended updoing doing the show and out of eighteen
pros, I made the top tenafter every three weeks off, so you
know, three years three years off. Sorry, yes it's not three weeks
and I'm back. I'm back,you know, if I'm my per at
this level, I'm back after threeyears off. So with that, I
was thirty nine, and then Idecided to go back to Naba, who

(45:30):
I started it all with, andI was going to compete in the over
forties. So then the following yearI prepped for the over forties with Naba.
I then went on to win theMister Britain over forties, the Mister
World in Malta over forties, andthen the Mister Universe in twenty ten,
all in the same year. Andthen that's for me. That's a raw,

(45:52):
unfiltered federation. Yeah, big bodybuilders. Yes, I always thought probably
is political me and you first wentinto it when whenever touch we'll go with
UK. Ye. He never didit, but I took the second in
Britain, didn't admittiately, I looklike a fucking skinny cyclist. Embarrassing.

(46:20):
Okay, So so we're gonna wrapit up right in a minute. I
want you to give one advice.I'm gonna ask you three questions I know
the listeners want. Now, there'sgonna be some people now listening that that
that are too scared to go tothe gym. They may have a home
gym, or they may go tothe gym, and they may feel ship
can better. To the people,what give one bit of simple advice for
someone who wants to grow? Ifwell, if you want to grow,

(46:44):
obviously you've got to train hard andheavy and intent, and you need to
eat. Okay, then please askthat question as if it was for listeners.
He asked that questions subconsciously for me. So, so the average calorie
take from a man? What youwrecking? Two and half three and half
thousand calories? Yeah, okay,calories. I'm on you'll be sick,

(47:05):
probably like me because I don't actuallyeat a great deal two thousand probably on
the same. Yeah, I thinkI'm going to put it out there to
the listeners around the world. Weget to the car park. Before we've
been saying that we're making a comeback. Our physiques have changed. Oh,
here we go, about here wego. We team up with mister Kurk

(47:28):
and we show the motherfuckers everywhere whatthe Twins can really do with the guidance
because we've never never had the listen. The night before a show, they
say, drink a glass of wine, so I do four bottles? Yeah,
And they say one crispy cream,so we do two boxes of piece.
Shall we start? Should we letpeople know? Say? Do it

(47:52):
publicly? Well I'm not. I'mjust doing it on a fucking global podcast.
Awesome, we done? Are yougonna do it when? When?
When done? Oh? Wow,yeah that's good. We'll get a grasp,
will get a graphic done for that. I want to announced it because

(48:13):
do you know what? Do youknow what I'm about? I'm about becoming
a sponge. For too long inmy life, I've been the driving mentality.
Why no one has ever poured intome, no one has ever given
me any level of information. I'veacted with intuition and instinct, and I
could have done a lot better inmy life if I would have invested in
people and you've done exactly what Idid in my early day. Yes,

(48:37):
exactly, intuition of your own back, off my own back. I know
that ninety percent of the ship thatwe've done has been categorically wrong. Oh
god, yeah yeah, conversation yeahyeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
yes? Is that figure out?When? Where are you going to
do it? Immediately? Do youthink he's a procrastination me or Reese?

(49:00):
How? No, it's done?So what are we going to put a
dating? I'm not for a show. We'll start we'll start prepping now because
we need to build and build ourselvesback up. Yes, so you know,
as I said, it's it's nota simple process. Okay, and
we'll show how we do it thecorrect way. Longevity, how fitness,
Yeah yeah, definitely twenty So letme just focus. And that's two questions.

(49:22):
So the listener got value too,enough thousand collages to the average person,
what would you recommend, say aman James side you wants to put
a muscle how many calories? I'mnot well, Well, for James,
the biggest thing we have to dois obviously increased you know, I could
say you, James, I wantyou to go and eat three and half
thousand colors. You're not going todo it. You know, that's a

(49:43):
lot of calories extras. So I'dsay to you, let's let's up at
three hundred to day three hundred thisweek, and then we'll do it three
fifty the week after, see wherewe're at, and then we'll gently increase
again until we get to that pointand see how you go if you try
and cram it all and you're justnot going to do it, and you
get to the point you thing,I can't It's hard. I don't want
to do this anymore. We can'tafford that to be the mindset, you

(50:05):
know it. So for the podcast. For the podcast, I'm going to
make this really excited, and I'mgoing to ask James Seliva's comfort zone.
But listening with open ears and visualizedwhat I'm about to ask him. Obviously,
we're stay with mister universe, JasonCorrick. I'm going to get Jason
to Now obviously he's a fucking judge. I'm gonna get Jesson judge. James
is physique and is he going togive him point as on what he sees

(50:34):
okay, Jason speaking to the comet'stalking through him. What does he need
to improve? Bro? We needwe need some lats. We need some
lats. Chest army, can youstep to the left? Account mis are

(51:05):
in the way? Well, Jamesboss, wrap yourself quick. I have
got cramp everywhere. Guys, don'ttake this slightly. You know, the
band has been fantastic, the storytellerhas been fantastic. But we are genuinely
sat with an odor. The reasonwhy I was kind of took over the

(51:27):
podcast is because you know, thisindustry is new to James. But what
I want you to do is payattention to Jason's mindset. Pay attention to
the adversity that has had to overcome. Pay attention to the hate that he
got based on his own personal success. Pay attention to the fact that he's
self taught. Pay attention to thefact that he's borne his success out of
his passion. Pay attention to thefact that he didn't need no external validation

(51:50):
based on to get this fucking stuffdone. Pay attention that he wasn't fearful
of other people's opinions. Pay attentionthat after a three year layoff, he
reinvented himself and find his way forwardagain. It's the journey that every successful
person goes on now, even thoughit's from a different industry, his story
is very similar to mine and mybrothers. He ain't write it from a

(52:10):
fucking textbook, and he didn't gethis muscles by attending and a fucking event.
You put weight on a bar,You fucking at certain foods for years
and years and years, and nowyou know he's a sought after, respected
and public icon. His journey isno different to ours. Our journey is
no different to his. Now it'stime for you to go on your own
fucking journey and stop listening to thispodcast. One I'll add one thing.

(52:35):
If you're yet to discover Jason Corrick, go over to his social media on
Facebook and add him. Find away to find out who this guy is,
because he's got an inspirational story thatisn't textbook, and if it was,
he wrote it himself. And ifyou're listening wherever you're listening around the
world, tag us on INDUSTR Storiesand tell us you're number one takeaway from
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(52:59):
We've got people listening North Korea andJamaica and Thailand and tag us in wherever
you are and let us know yournumber one takeaway, because, like Reese
said, you can look at someonelike Jason and go, oh, he's
in great shake, But actually what'sput him in great shake is the fucking
mindset this guy. He's got absolutelyrock side takeaways fucking across the board of
this show. I think it's probablyone of the best shows we've ever done.
Me to, I knew it wasgoing to happen. Well, horrendous

(53:20):
ending for me though, But it'sokay, It's okay. I'll just sack
you tomorrow. Right Where can Jason? How can you sell your services to
the people on the podcast? Mate? So email and things like that.
Yeah, my email addresses Jason Coricat ymail dot com. That's j A.
S O N C O R RI C K. Or click the

(53:42):
link in the show notes. We'llput you will linking up in the show.
And if you just put Colm,I'm sure he'll figure out at ten,
fifteen, twenty, maybe twenty fivepercent discount if we've got a nice
ball. Yeah, happy days,James. Anything else that you'd like to
add, Jason just thank you orfor having me. It's been an absolute
pleasure. We've known each other onFacebook in social media for many, many

(54:02):
years, and often you know,it said well let's get together, and
we never have or whatever. Buttoday has happened, and I'm so glad,
thank you, thank you so much. And one thing, you know,
when you're real on Facebook, right, it's never a shock when you
meet someone in the flesh because you'vebeen fucking you. I said to James,
this is the first time we methim. We've got fuck off.

(54:22):
It's the first time we've met becausethe real man we've always met. Just
see what I'm saying. It's fuckingbizarre, but it's beautiful when when birds
of a feather flock together. Yeah, saying tracks like I think this has
been a good example of it todayas a third party outsider who's not been
invited to the party. Really lookingthrough my tiny, skinny fat window,
it's been enjoyable to watch you guysdo it together. So ladies and gentlemen,

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