Jonathan Gilbert was a practising solicitor who got sentenced to 12 years for his part in a large fraud. Johnny put this experience to good use in prison and enrolled on a masters in counter fraud and counter corruption. He's now teaching at Cardiff University.
Garry Parkinson promised his late mum he'd turned his back on crime after spending 10 of the last 12 years in prison. He gained multiple qualifications behind bars and is now trying to put that to good use on the outside.
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