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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Your book about FDR is very timely right now, as
President Trump has literally launched I think, what is a
revolutionary administration that's going to affect the future of our
country in the coming many decades, if not to set
incoming centuries in a way similar to the way FDR
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had that same influence when he took office in nineteen
thirty three. So it's important to understand what he established,
which in a sense parallels exactly what President Trump is
trying to undo and recreate something new. So let's talk
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a little bit about FDR in his background and how
that does not necessarily match up with the standard official
history version that we were all taught in school.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Five none.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
None, right, And I think that also don't forget that
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particular year. And of course, his uncle Teddy Roosevelt had
been president, so he obviously had ambitions. As a young man.
He became a part of the Wilson administration Woodrow Wilson.
That was a revolutionary administration in and of itself. It
was the first the first self described socialist in the
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White House who really changed the way we see ourselves
in many ways. And in the case of Roosevelt, I
think he became Assistant Secretary of the Navy. He was
a real warhawk, much more so than anyone else when
the United States really did not necessarily need to get
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intervene and get involved in that particular foreign war, to
the point where I think that the Secretary of the Navy,
and his name is Casey Josepha is something here. Thank you,
Joseph Daniels. He was out of town on a day
when information came into the office indicating that there had
(04:35):
been an incident with the German U boats, and Roosevelt
took the opportunity to embellish and fabricate and exaggerate this
incident as a way to push the United States into war.
Did you come across that?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Hmm?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well, has he happened to live in a townhouse in
Manhattan that was next door to the Consul on Foreign Relations,
which was a think tank that was promoting international war
at that time, and that was a counterpart to the
British Royal Institute of International Affairs or Chathamhouse, which were
(06:19):
kind of working together to try to embrail the United
States into this kind of Anglo American internationalism. So I
think that that was his orientation. He was truly maybe
the first internationalist, and yet when he ran for president,
he ran as a nationalist and he ran as more
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conservative than Herbert Hoover. My understanding is in that he
actually was criticizing Hoover's government expansion at the time where
he was trying to deal with the depression and the
stock market crash. And he became president, and I think
to his credit we should note that one of his
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first acts in way similar to Trump, was that he
all he ordered all executive cabinet offices and agencies to
cut their budget by five percent, to freeze all salaries,
and to put a halt on all hiring, under the
understanding that if the rest of the country is dealing
(07:26):
with the depression, why should you know our public sector
be high on the hog.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
H nine.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
My father right, right, yeah, mm hmmm.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Mhm right, oh yeah, okay, Well that's that gets into
like in the Kennedy Johnson time. But Bernard barug also
was one of the major figures during the the Wilson
War years, where basically the constitution was suspended and we
(09:57):
had an outright authoritarian regime that was engaging in open censorship,
putting people in prison for speaking out.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Including Eugene V.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Debs, the Socialist candidate for president, and anyone who was
a dissenter from the war, and that FDR also, And
this is something that you could tell me if I'm
really going out on a tin hat here and speculating.
But when he gave his initial speeches, he talked about
(10:35):
a national emergency and the need to have extraordinary powers
in the presidency to deal with it, the national emergency
being the depression, and that in his inaugural address in
nineteen thirty four he basically and Phiiry explicitly said that
(10:56):
he would be declaring a national emergency, and that a
few weeks into his administration he declared what's called the
bank Holiday, where all banks were closed. There was a
lot of fear in the country at that time. I
mean there was then some banks were liquidated and others
were allowed to open limited I don't know if people
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lost money. I recently read some letters written by my
late grandmother who was around at that time, and it
was a teenager and she kept a diary and she
was like everybody was frightened. Everybody was like, what's going
on here? Is It's like the country is moving to
a dictatorship. You know, we should yeah, I mean we
should note that at that time, Hitler had declared a
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suspension of the German constitution after the Reichsteg fire, and
of course you had Usselini had already taken emergency powers
in Italy, and you had Stalin, and you had others
around the world where you had this kind of massive
move toward a strong hypernationalist entities. And I think that
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FDR was cut of that cloth in the American context.
It wasn't like Germany or Italy. But I think that
he saw himself in that vein, but he was restrained
by our way of life. I mean, he couldn't get
away with that here.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Yeah, I'm talking bout sure, yeah, right, oh boy, five, right.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And it was all done under this hysteria that there
was this disease that was I mean, the original propaganda
coming out of that was horrible.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I mean everybody was scared. I was scared.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I mean people they throwed a young man dying with
limbs falling off. I remember reading, and so you know,
they created a hysteria. I think in the case of FDR,
that hysteria was the depression. I think I recall reading
an article about the gold seizing the gold, where he's
sitting in his bed with a couple of advisors s
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by tinkering onto how much.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
To value the gold.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
And it was valued in a way obviously the benefit
of the government, and so people got only a percentage
of the value in they were forced to accept in
the form of of of basically fiat dollars. And and
so that led to it in a way somewhat of
an economic contraction.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Yes, hmm.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
And you know, in a way that brings up another
issue about Roosevelt, and that I get the sense that
he was not quite as bright as people have always
portrayed him. And it's kind of like, rather, you know,
the patrician, sort of a hell fellow well met, you know,
didn't kind of a mediocre intellect. But just to touch
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again on this issue of the emergency, was it not
under this guise of this emergency powers where basically it
declared war to war powers, but the enemy was the
American people? That it was under that extraordinary power that
he was able to create all of these alphabet agencies,
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And that this same power is quietly, it has been
ever since quietly renewed by Congress every two years. It
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hasn't to find out what's in it. Basically, am.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
It was kind of the beginning of these big, confusing
omnibus bills which they don't have a chance to read them.
It's like a thousand pages. It's like the USA Patriot Act.
Was that where Biden had one I think with the
so called inflation Reduction, which of course is one of
these Orwellian names for a bill. Also, when FDR met
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opposition from the Supreme Court, that's when he tried to
pack the Court, which was the most unpopular thing he
ever did. I mean, I think that that was opposed
by all, you know, all sides, and it was like
a low point in his in his presidency.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Right mm hm.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Right, would be very addictive to anybody who defied him,
and he was known for that, including Joseph P. Kennedy,
Ambassador to Great Britain, who was in a sense trying
to keep the United States out of the war. So
my guest is Mary grab The book is debunking FDR
the Man and the Myth, available at Amazon and a
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major bookstores. So you had the situation of emergency powers
and the alphabet agencies. I think that it's been said,
and maybe with some justification, that some of that actually
prevented the United States from becoming a communist country, particularly
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the CCC, which employed tens of thousands of unemployed men
doing these massive projects, very much in line with the
American project tradition, going back to Henry Clay, you know,
the Whigs, the nationalist American position. I mean it goes
back to the Erie Canal, and right right here in Boston,
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for example, where I live. After your administration, they created
the Cape Cod Canal and the Cape and the bridges
over that canal in a matter of three years. It's
actually amazing when I drive over that, over that bridge
to go to the Cape to visit my mother, I'm
awe struck by how those bridges were built from nineteen
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thirty three to nineteen thirty five. Today those bridges would
take twenty years. And he did it with this inexpensive
labor of men taken basically off the street who might
otherwise have contributed to a revolution.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
One nice one nice five one.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
One right, it has like an unintended consequence. And I
(26:18):
mean the other big project was the TVA the Tennesee Valley,
which I think took some government involvement to pull off
such a huge project, and it's one that actually I
think still remains in place.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Today.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
And then there was the dust Bowl that it required
government intervention in that surface soil was being blown even
up to Washington. It was on Roosevelt's desk. And the
other one, of course, is the National Park Service and
a lot of I think good construction went into that.
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If you go to like the Shenandoah Valley Park and
other parks, a lot of Depression era work was done.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I don't know if it was the CDC or what,
but I don't think that's all bad.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I think that that is as I say, there is
a certain American blueprint tradition that goes back to Henry
Clay in that regard. Now, to bring things up to
the eve of World War Two, there have always been
rumors that were actually articulated by Thomas Dewey in the
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campaign of nineteen forty four, that FDR had pre knowledge
of and that he had instigated the attack on Pearl Harbor.
In that there was a complete embargo on oil and
other products to Japan, which they say might have forced
(27:54):
Japan's hand in that do you have any research on that.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Nice seven thousand forty one right exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It was a devastating attack. I don't even if he
did know. I'm not sure he knew it was going
to be that big an attack. I mean, it really
destroyed the Pacific Fleet and it was what really was
one of the most infamous events in American history. And
did nothing like that up until then. Of course, the
attack on nine to eleven in of two thousand and one.
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FDR's administration was honeycombed with communists. That's something that has
been proven beyond a shoutow a doubt. Whittaker Chambers, who
was one of the handlers of communists inside the FDR administration,
including Algerhiss, of course, Secretary under Secretary of State, Harry
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Dexter White, under Secretary of the Treasury, and several other people,
Laughlin Curry, who was a chief legal consul who actually
lived in the White House, Harry Hopkins, a bunch of
others he wanted. He warned the Roosevelt administration, mainly after
the Hitler Stalin Pact, because he could see that, you know,
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we were heading into real danger at that time. He
had a meeting with Adolph Burley, who was a close
associate of FDR, and he warned him and he said,
please let the president do something about this. When really
went in to talk to FDR about it, FDR told
him mind your effing business base, and he did nothing.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
What was going on with that? Did he? He didn't
certainly deny it. And he had these people literally living
in the White House. I mean this is these were
high level figures who were reporting to Stalin. What was
going on with that? M n.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yes, yes, very very amoral individual. Plus, when his wife
(34:21):
Eleanor brought up the lynching of black people in the South,
he told her to stay out of it in mindor business.
He didn't want to hear about it. Speaking of whom
talk about obsession with Stalin, She wrote Dear Uncle Joe
as a column during the war. She seemed to have
(34:41):
loved Stalin. I wonder if you know anything about her
and her rather peculiar relationship with him, her relationship with
her husband five yeah, one.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Five five right, m right, m hm, and the familarity
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with five children I think.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
H m hmm.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Plus there were there rumors about both of them having
extramarital affairs. Even during the White house years, and those
rumors of Eleanor having lesbian affairs, of FDR being homosexual
while at Harvard. You know, they seem like, in a
way like the classic elite type people that just we've
(39:30):
believed it led a rather decadent and strange life.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
My okay, hmm.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Plus it was a love letters with Loraina Hitcocks, so
were published I think in the in the eighties. But
and they just were very sort of decking into his
very heavy drinking and smoking and who knows what else.
And the atmosphere was was I don't know, a bit
de butchered in that.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah, now, at the end of FDR's life, he was
he contacted style because he had gotten a report that
Stalin had held when he moved into Eastern Europe. He
had held American Americans as pow as prisoners, and he
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demanded that Stalin release those prisoners at once, that these
are Americans and we were allies. Stalin sent him back
a scathing letter saying, oh, how dare you preach to
me when America?
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Look how you treated Native Americans in the last century,
and you know this kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
And at that time also this is I mean, I
don't really exactly recall where I read this, but FDR
was contacted by Churchill, who said, look, we have been betrayed.
We have been had by Stalin. At Yalta. Don't forget
At the Alta conference, Roosevelt had Algae Hiss standing over
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his shoulder. After that conference, algia Hiss went to mass
where he received an award, and then he became Under
Secretary of the First Secretary.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
General of the UN.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
But to get back, I mean, Churchill warned him. He said, look,
Stalin is going to be occupying poland he's not He's
not going to do anything that I'm not going to
keep any commitments, and that we basically have fritted away
the victory against Hitler, and FDR became angry about it,
and he became suddenly it's like he became to use
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an expression red pilled. He's like, I've been had. I
thought that I could work with Stalin because of my
great personality and charm, and I'm in big trouble now
and Stalin is screwing this country and he's occupying East
in Europe, and he began to start to speak about it.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
It was shortly after that that he died.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Now I'm not trying to weave a conspiracy theory here,
because I'm not saying I know this, no one does.
But I kind of wonder, given the given the fact
that the people around him, very close quarters were pro stalin,
including his chief loyal Laughlin Curry, and his and everyone
and his wife. Frankly, I mean, I kind of wonder
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if something.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Might have happened. In other words, he might have been given,
he might have been it might have been a hit. Sure,
oh yeah, no question.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Right, And there was talking about Yeah, it looked terrible,
it was all gaunt, but at the same time, it
was a strenuous trip to go there for a man
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of his condition and age. And look, I mean I
think that it probably died of natural causes while visiting
Lucy Mercer at Warm Springs, Georgia.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
But I mean, I don't, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
It's just that if what has been said is true
in terms of Churchill waking him up, and like, we
have to take action. We can't let this happen. There
was a lot at stake in terms of the Soviet
Union expanding into Eastern Europe and making sure that that
went according to plan, and there were a lot of
people around him in his administration who were pro Soviet
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and who wanted to help that happen. It just seems
like he might have been vulnerable to something like that.
I mean, again, we'll never know. I don't think it's
something that It's something we can only speculate about. But
what we do know is that you know, Stalin completely,
you know, screwed over Roosevelt at Yalta. It was a
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terror and it was he was said at the time.
But you know, he ended up occupying Eastern Europe as
a result, which was the whole point of World War
Two in the first place, which was Poland was being
occupied by Germany in Russia.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
So right, mhm.
Speaker 8 (46:10):
Mexican, Yeah, after I'm electric, Yeah, right, like we'll talk
to Vladimir afterwards about this, right exactly, mm hmm, right, yeah,
(46:47):
m hm, right, yeah. The terrible portrayal of the whole
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principle of World War Two. In a sense Russia was
awithstanding after the war, we defeated one side and not
the other. The other one expanded and that led to
a horrible period of oppression and Cold War that continued
right up to Reagan. So to sort of wrap things up,
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I want to look at the legacy of FDR in
terms of the actual impact that he had on how
we governed ourselves after his administration, what sort of changed,
and in the context of what is happening right now
with President Trump, who is sort of beginning to unravel
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some of what he Trump accurately describes as the deep
state that I think was established by FDR and by Truman.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
Anyway, m oh exack ye right.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
President Trump wants to put like the Department of Agriculture
in Wyoming, which is brilliant, get it out of Washington.
What you know, it's this huge it looks like ancient Rome.
It's this massive government and these people seem to have
gotten awfully rich. You know, these are public servants, even
like I noticed Samantha Powers, the head of the USAID.
(50:47):
How is it that she's worth eighteen million dollars.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
Working Yeah, apparently, I mean working for AID. She wasn't
in start out that way. This is true.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Trump is saying he's going to investigate this. You know
that Elizabeth larn likes to talk about, you know, the
poor She's worth I think about ten million, you know,
on a teaching salary. So I just these people, have
you know, besides being so arrogant and so out of touch.
I mean, they've just profited immensely. You know, Obama was
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given a book deal worth ten million dollars just to
start running. I mean, in a way, it's sort of
a handwashing the other, this whole rotten establishment where they
just sort of help each other up the rat line
and they demonize everyone else and they have no idea
who they are or what they're doing.
Speaker 7 (51:35):
It.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
It's just it's it really is almost like a what
professor Michael Glennon called the double government. He's being a
professor at job. He's not some conservative, he's a professor
at the Fletcher School, and he's a former council to
the US Senate. So, you know, I think that's what
we're looking at now. They are so out of touch,
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so top heavy, and so filled with their own sense
of importance. And that does reflect Roosevelt's personality. I mean
he almost had like a sense of like, you know,
not no blessed obliged, but you know, like divine right
of kings, which is something that we got rid of
when we kicked out George the Third, you know, or
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the Chinese concept of the you know, the Magic Kingdom,
I mean, the head of the Chinese dynasty, the Mandate
of Heaven they called it. It's really something that's not
the American way. And I think that he set in
motion a pattern that has continued up until now that
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enough people are waking up. So it's very interesting to
study who he was and what he did. I mean,
it's not just it politics either or policy. It's personality.
It's you know, you set the stage. The president does this.
I mean George Washington was very aware of that when
he became president. He wanted to be careful how he
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was addressed, how he looked while riding a horse, what
kind of suit he wore, how his hair was combed,
because he knew that he was setting a stage that
every president following him would imitate to a certain degree,
and they have. So FDR had that kind of impact
on American politics, not just the presidency, but the entire
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you know, bureaucracy that has run the show since and
that's now being smashed, thank.
Speaker 9 (53:27):
God, foes.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
It's like a feudal lord, you know, controlling the serfs
and being very benevolent, but yet everyone had to be
you know, basically subservient. Uh, So the book is debunking FDR,
the Man and the Myths. Mary Graber is the author.
The book is available at all major bookstores and Amazon
(55:48):
and Barnes and Noble. Mary, what is this project that
you're involved in, the dissident you know, professors the what
are you're calling it? The dissident professor education project?
Speaker 3 (56:22):
Mm hm.
Speaker 7 (56:50):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
Uhh yeah, well that was the whole lowest learner business, right.
You know, it's certainly all of a sudden, these new
conservatives started to wake up and realize that they could
do the stuff that was really only mental liberals in
terms of tax exemptions and nonprofit.
Speaker 4 (57:40):
Yeah, very very bad news.
Speaker 9 (57:42):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (57:42):
Mary.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
So you know, thank you for joining me. This is
really a great talk. And I'd love to get in
touch with some of the other authors and and and
intellectuals in your group. But to let my listeners and
viewers nowhere they can get your excellent book and website
or anything else you'd like to share.
Speaker 2 (58:38):
Okay, wonderful.
Speaker 7 (58:46):
M h.
Speaker 1 (58:48):
Listen in prof dot com. Mary Graver again, thanks for
joining me today.
Speaker 4 (58:52):
Really good talk. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (58:54):
Got thank you all right, Okay, thanks a lot, Mary.
I'll send you a link to the interview. It was
live streamed and podcasted. Thank you, Okay, bye bye. Thanks
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for joining me. Everyone over at TikTok. I hope that
you heard that interview. I can't totally know, but I
did buy speakers recently, so TikTok could hear my interview.
In the other end, they could hear me, but they
can't necessarily hear my guests. But anyways, thanks for joining me.
(59:40):
I'll be back at seven o'clock with Michael D. Shaw
if you want to show it too into that. Meanwhile,
my books are available at Amazon Books. Charles Moskowitz MSc
O wytz and thanks for joining me, everybody. God bless God,
bless America.
Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
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Speaker 7 (01:03:39):
Hurries, I do the podcast coming up.
Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
H he's homosexual, That he was homosexual, kind of like
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a rather debauchered life, you know, typical of like a
lot of kind of wealthy people.
Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
To bochered.
Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
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Speaker 9 (01:05:44):
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Speaker 10 (01:05:53):
Hussy, I'm busy, he's busy. He's podcasting.
Speaker 7 (01:06:52):
The bath.
Speaker 9 (01:07:03):
That's the Schmicky presidency.
Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
M hm.
Speaker 9 (01:07:24):
Billion. Properly resigned, God destroyed.
Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
Mm hmm. When the body is a buried
Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Mm hmmmm
Your book about FDR is very timely right now, as
President Trump has literally launched I think, what is a
revolutionary administration that's going to affect the future of our
country in the coming many decades, if not to set
incoming centuries in a way similar to the way FDR
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had that same influence when he took office in nineteen
thirty three. So it's important to understand what he established,
which in a sense parallels exactly what President Trump is
trying to undo and recreate something new. So let's talk
(00:42):
a little bit about FDR in his background and how
that does not necessarily match up with the standard official
history version that we were all taught in school.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Five none.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
None, right, And I think that also don't forget that
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particular year. And of course, his uncle Teddy Roosevelt had
been president, so he obviously had ambitions. As a young man.
He became a part of the Wilson administration Woodrow Wilson.
That was a revolutionary administration in and of itself. It
was the first the first self described socialist in the
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White House who really changed the way we see ourselves
in many ways. And in the case of Roosevelt, I
think he became Assistant Secretary of the Navy. He was
a real warhawk, much more so than anyone else when
the United States really did not necessarily need to get
(04:11):
intervene and get involved in that particular foreign war, to
the point where I think that the Secretary of the Navy,
and his name is Casey Josepha is something here. Thank you,
Joseph Daniels. He was out of town on a day
when information came into the office indicating that there had
(04:35):
been an incident with the German U boats, and Roosevelt
took the opportunity to embellish and fabricate and exaggerate this
incident as a way to push the United States into war.
Did you come across that?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Hmm?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well, has he happened to live in a townhouse in
Manhattan that was next door to the Consul on Foreign Relations,
which was a think tank that was promoting international war
at that time, and that was a counterpart to the
British Royal Institute of International Affairs or Chathamhouse, which were
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kind of working together to try to embrail the United
States into this kind of Anglo American internationalism. So I
think that that was his orientation. He was truly maybe
the first internationalist, and yet when he ran for president,
he ran as a nationalist and he ran as more
(06:43):
conservative than Herbert Hoover. My understanding is in that he
actually was criticizing Hoover's government expansion at the time where
he was trying to deal with the depression and the
stock market crash. And he became president, and I think
to his credit we should note that one of his
(07:05):
first acts in way similar to Trump, was that he
all he ordered all executive cabinet offices and agencies to
cut their budget by five percent, to freeze all salaries,
and to put a halt on all hiring, under the
understanding that if the rest of the country is dealing
(07:26):
with the depression, why should you know our public sector
be high on the hog.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
H nine.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
My father right, right, yeah, mm hmmm.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Mhm right, oh yeah, okay, Well that's that gets into
like in the Kennedy Johnson time. But Bernard barug also
was one of the major figures during the the Wilson
War years, where basically the constitution was suspended and we
(09:57):
had an outright authoritarian regime that was engaging in open censorship,
putting people in prison for speaking out.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Including Eugene V.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Debs, the Socialist candidate for president, and anyone who was
a dissenter from the war, and that FDR also, And
this is something that you could tell me if I'm
really going out on a tin hat here and speculating.
But when he gave his initial speeches, he talked about
(10:35):
a national emergency and the need to have extraordinary powers
in the presidency to deal with it, the national emergency
being the depression, and that in his inaugural address in
nineteen thirty four he basically and Phiiry explicitly said that
(10:56):
he would be declaring a national emergency, and that a
few weeks into his administration he declared what's called the
bank Holiday, where all banks were closed. There was a
lot of fear in the country at that time. I
mean there was then some banks were liquidated and others
were allowed to open limited I don't know if people
(11:18):
lost money. I recently read some letters written by my
late grandmother who was around at that time, and it
was a teenager and she kept a diary and she
was like everybody was frightened. Everybody was like, what's going
on here? Is It's like the country is moving to
a dictatorship. You know, we should yeah, I mean we
should note that at that time, Hitler had declared a
(11:44):
suspension of the German constitution after the Reichsteg fire, and
of course you had Usselini had already taken emergency powers
in Italy, and you had Stalin, and you had others
around the world where you had this kind of massive
move toward a strong hypernationalist entities. And I think that
(12:06):
FDR was cut of that cloth in the American context.
It wasn't like Germany or Italy. But I think that
he saw himself in that vein, but he was restrained
by our way of life. I mean, he couldn't get
away with that here.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Yeah, I'm talking bout sure, yeah, right, oh boy, five, right.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And it was all done under this hysteria that there
was this disease that was I mean, the original propaganda
coming out of that was horrible.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I mean everybody was scared. I was scared.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I mean people they throwed a young man dying with
limbs falling off. I remember reading, and so you know,
they created a hysteria. I think in the case of FDR,
that hysteria was the depression. I think I recall reading
an article about the gold seizing the gold, where he's
sitting in his bed with a couple of advisors s
(16:00):
by tinkering onto how much.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
To value the gold.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
And it was valued in a way obviously the benefit
of the government, and so people got only a percentage
of the value in they were forced to accept in
the form of of of basically fiat dollars. And and
so that led to it in a way somewhat of
an economic contraction.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Yes, hmm.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
And you know, in a way that brings up another
issue about Roosevelt, and that I get the sense that
he was not quite as bright as people have always
portrayed him. And it's kind of like, rather, you know,
the patrician, sort of a hell fellow well met, you know,
didn't kind of a mediocre intellect. But just to touch
(17:25):
again on this issue of the emergency, was it not
under this guise of this emergency powers where basically it
declared war to war powers, but the enemy was the
American people? That it was under that extraordinary power that
he was able to create all of these alphabet agencies,
(17:47):
And that this same power is quietly, it has been
ever since quietly renewed by Congress every two years. It
(18:45):
hasn't to find out what's in it. Basically, am.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Right.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
It was kind of the beginning of these big, confusing
omnibus bills which they don't have a chance to read them.
It's like a thousand pages. It's like the USA Patriot Act.
Was that where Biden had one I think with the
so called inflation Reduction, which of course is one of
these Orwellian names for a bill. Also, when FDR met
(19:45):
opposition from the Supreme Court, that's when he tried to
pack the Court, which was the most unpopular thing he
ever did. I mean, I think that that was opposed
by all, you know, all sides, and it was like
a low point in his in his presidency.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Right mm hm.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Right, would be very addictive to anybody who defied him,
and he was known for that, including Joseph P. Kennedy,
Ambassador to Great Britain, who was in a sense trying
to keep the United States out of the war. So
my guest is Mary grab The book is debunking FDR
the Man and the Myth, available at Amazon and a
(21:20):
major bookstores. So you had the situation of emergency powers
and the alphabet agencies. I think that it's been said,
and maybe with some justification, that some of that actually
prevented the United States from becoming a communist country, particularly
(21:42):
the CCC, which employed tens of thousands of unemployed men
doing these massive projects, very much in line with the
American project tradition, going back to Henry Clay, you know,
the Whigs, the nationalist American position. I mean it goes
back to the Erie Canal, and right right here in Boston,
(22:04):
for example, where I live. After your administration, they created
the Cape Cod Canal and the Cape and the bridges
over that canal in a matter of three years. It's
actually amazing when I drive over that, over that bridge
to go to the Cape to visit my mother, I'm
awe struck by how those bridges were built from nineteen
(22:27):
thirty three to nineteen thirty five. Today those bridges would
take twenty years. And he did it with this inexpensive
labor of men taken basically off the street who might
otherwise have contributed to a revolution.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
One nice one nice five one.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
One right, it has like an unintended consequence. And I
(26:18):
mean the other big project was the TVA the Tennesee Valley,
which I think took some government involvement to pull off
such a huge project, and it's one that actually I
think still remains in place.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Today.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
And then there was the dust Bowl that it required
government intervention in that surface soil was being blown even
up to Washington. It was on Roosevelt's desk. And the
other one, of course, is the National Park Service and
a lot of I think good construction went into that.
(26:56):
If you go to like the Shenandoah Valley Park and
other parks, a lot of Depression era work was done.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
I don't know if it was the CDC or what,
but I don't think that's all bad.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I think that that is as I say, there is
a certain American blueprint tradition that goes back to Henry
Clay in that regard. Now, to bring things up to
the eve of World War Two, there have always been
rumors that were actually articulated by Thomas Dewey in the
(27:33):
campaign of nineteen forty four, that FDR had pre knowledge
of and that he had instigated the attack on Pearl Harbor.
In that there was a complete embargo on oil and
other products to Japan, which they say might have forced
(27:54):
Japan's hand in that do you have any research on that.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Nice seven thousand forty one right exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It was a devastating attack. I don't even if he
did know. I'm not sure he knew it was going
to be that big an attack. I mean, it really
destroyed the Pacific Fleet and it was what really was
one of the most infamous events in American history. And
did nothing like that up until then. Of course, the
attack on nine to eleven in of two thousand and one.
(31:00):
FDR's administration was honeycombed with communists. That's something that has
been proven beyond a shoutow a doubt. Whittaker Chambers, who
was one of the handlers of communists inside the FDR administration,
including Algerhiss, of course, Secretary under Secretary of State, Harry
(31:23):
Dexter White, under Secretary of the Treasury, and several other people,
Laughlin Curry, who was a chief legal consul who actually
lived in the White House, Harry Hopkins, a bunch of
others he wanted. He warned the Roosevelt administration, mainly after
the Hitler Stalin Pact, because he could see that, you know,
(31:44):
we were heading into real danger at that time. He
had a meeting with Adolph Burley, who was a close
associate of FDR, and he warned him and he said,
please let the president do something about this. When really
went in to talk to FDR about it, FDR told
him mind your effing business base, and he did nothing.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
What was going on with that? Did he? He didn't
certainly deny it. And he had these people literally living
in the White House. I mean this is these were
high level figures who were reporting to Stalin. What was
going on with that? M n.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yes, yes, very very amoral individual. Plus, when his wife
(34:21):
Eleanor brought up the lynching of black people in the South,
he told her to stay out of it in mindor business.
He didn't want to hear about it. Speaking of whom
talk about obsession with Stalin, She wrote Dear Uncle Joe
as a column during the war. She seemed to have
(34:41):
loved Stalin. I wonder if you know anything about her
and her rather peculiar relationship with him, her relationship with
her husband five yeah, one.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Five five right, m right, m hm, and the familarity
(38:47):
with five children I think.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
H m hmm.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Plus there were there rumors about both of them having
extramarital affairs. Even during the White house years, and those
rumors of Eleanor having lesbian affairs, of FDR being homosexual
while at Harvard. You know, they seem like, in a
way like the classic elite type people that just we've
(39:30):
believed it led a rather decadent and strange life.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
My okay, hmm.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Plus it was a love letters with Loraina Hitcocks, so
were published I think in the in the eighties. But
and they just were very sort of decking into his
very heavy drinking and smoking and who knows what else.
And the atmosphere was was I don't know, a bit
de butchered in that.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah, now, at the end of FDR's life, he was
he contacted style because he had gotten a report that
Stalin had held when he moved into Eastern Europe. He
had held American Americans as pow as prisoners, and he
(41:13):
demanded that Stalin release those prisoners at once, that these
are Americans and we were allies. Stalin sent him back
a scathing letter saying, oh, how dare you preach to
me when America?
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Look how you treated Native Americans in the last century,
and you know this kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
And at that time also this is I mean, I
don't really exactly recall where I read this, but FDR
was contacted by Churchill, who said, look, we have been betrayed.
We have been had by Stalin. At Yalta. Don't forget
At the Alta conference, Roosevelt had Algae Hiss standing over
(41:56):
his shoulder. After that conference, algia Hiss went to mass
where he received an award, and then he became Under
Secretary of the First Secretary.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
General of the UN.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
But to get back, I mean, Churchill warned him. He said, look,
Stalin is going to be occupying poland he's not He's
not going to do anything that I'm not going to
keep any commitments, and that we basically have fritted away
the victory against Hitler, and FDR became angry about it,
and he became suddenly it's like he became to use
(42:30):
an expression red pilled. He's like, I've been had. I
thought that I could work with Stalin because of my
great personality and charm, and I'm in big trouble now
and Stalin is screwing this country and he's occupying East
in Europe, and he began to start to speak about it.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
It was shortly after that that he died.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Now I'm not trying to weave a conspiracy theory here,
because I'm not saying I know this, no one does.
But I kind of wonder, given the given the fact
that the people around him, very close quarters were pro stalin,
including his chief loyal Laughlin Curry, and his and everyone
and his wife. Frankly, I mean, I kind of wonder
(43:18):
if something.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Might have happened. In other words, he might have been given,
he might have been it might have been a hit. Sure,
oh yeah, no question.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Right, And there was talking about Yeah, it looked terrible,
it was all gaunt, but at the same time, it
was a strenuous trip to go there for a man
(44:14):
of his condition and age. And look, I mean I
think that it probably died of natural causes while visiting
Lucy Mercer at Warm Springs, Georgia.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
But I mean, I don't, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
It's just that if what has been said is true
in terms of Churchill waking him up, and like, we
have to take action. We can't let this happen. There
was a lot at stake in terms of the Soviet
Union expanding into Eastern Europe and making sure that that
went according to plan, and there were a lot of
people around him in his administration who were pro Soviet
(44:55):
and who wanted to help that happen. It just seems
like he might have been vulnerable to something like that.
I mean, again, we'll never know. I don't think it's
something that It's something we can only speculate about. But
what we do know is that you know, Stalin completely,
you know, screwed over Roosevelt at Yalta. It was a
(45:19):
terror and it was he was said at the time.
But you know, he ended up occupying Eastern Europe as
a result, which was the whole point of World War
Two in the first place, which was Poland was being
occupied by Germany in Russia.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
So right, mhm.
Speaker 8 (46:10):
Mexican, Yeah, after I'm electric, Yeah, right, like we'll talk
to Vladimir afterwards about this, right exactly, mm hmm, right, yeah,
(46:47):
m hm, right, yeah. The terrible portrayal of the whole
(47:25):
principle of World War Two. In a sense Russia was
awithstanding after the war, we defeated one side and not
the other. The other one expanded and that led to
a horrible period of oppression and Cold War that continued
right up to Reagan. So to sort of wrap things up,
(47:45):
I want to look at the legacy of FDR in
terms of the actual impact that he had on how
we governed ourselves after his administration, what sort of changed,
and in the context of what is happening right now
with President Trump, who is sort of beginning to unravel
(48:08):
some of what he Trump accurately describes as the deep
state that I think was established by FDR and by Truman.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
Anyway, m oh exack ye right.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
President Trump wants to put like the Department of Agriculture
in Wyoming, which is brilliant, get it out of Washington.
What you know, it's this huge it looks like ancient Rome.
It's this massive government and these people seem to have
gotten awfully rich. You know, these are public servants, even
like I noticed Samantha Powers, the head of the USAID.
(50:47):
How is it that she's worth eighteen million dollars.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
Working Yeah, apparently, I mean working for AID. She wasn't
in start out that way. This is true.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Trump is saying he's going to investigate this. You know
that Elizabeth larn likes to talk about, you know, the
poor She's worth I think about ten million, you know,
on a teaching salary. So I just these people, have
you know, besides being so arrogant and so out of touch.
I mean, they've just profited immensely. You know, Obama was
(51:17):
given a book deal worth ten million dollars just to
start running. I mean, in a way, it's sort of
a handwashing the other, this whole rotten establishment where they
just sort of help each other up the rat line
and they demonize everyone else and they have no idea
who they are or what they're doing.
Speaker 7 (51:35):
It.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
It's just it's it really is almost like a what
professor Michael Glennon called the double government. He's being a
professor at job. He's not some conservative, he's a professor
at the Fletcher School, and he's a former council to
the US Senate. So, you know, I think that's what
we're looking at now. They are so out of touch,
(51:57):
so top heavy, and so filled with their own sense
of importance. And that does reflect Roosevelt's personality. I mean
he almost had like a sense of like, you know,
not no blessed obliged, but you know, like divine right
of kings, which is something that we got rid of
when we kicked out George the Third, you know, or
(52:17):
the Chinese concept of the you know, the Magic Kingdom,
I mean, the head of the Chinese dynasty, the Mandate
of Heaven they called it. It's really something that's not
the American way. And I think that he set in
motion a pattern that has continued up until now that
(52:38):
enough people are waking up. So it's very interesting to
study who he was and what he did. I mean,
it's not just it politics either or policy. It's personality.
It's you know, you set the stage. The president does this.
I mean George Washington was very aware of that when
he became president. He wanted to be careful how he
(53:00):
was addressed, how he looked while riding a horse, what
kind of suit he wore, how his hair was combed,
because he knew that he was setting a stage that
every president following him would imitate to a certain degree,
and they have. So FDR had that kind of impact
on American politics, not just the presidency, but the entire
(53:21):
you know, bureaucracy that has run the show since and
that's now being smashed, thank.
Speaker 9 (53:27):
God, foes.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
It's like a feudal lord, you know, controlling the serfs
and being very benevolent, but yet everyone had to be
you know, basically subservient. Uh, So the book is debunking FDR,
the Man and the Myths. Mary Graber is the author.
The book is available at all major bookstores and Amazon
(55:48):
and Barnes and Noble. Mary, what is this project that
you're involved in, the dissident you know, professors the what
are you're calling it? The dissident professor education project?
Speaker 3 (56:22):
Mm hm.
Speaker 7 (56:50):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
Uhh yeah, well that was the whole lowest learner business, right.
You know, it's certainly all of a sudden, these new
conservatives started to wake up and realize that they could
do the stuff that was really only mental liberals in
terms of tax exemptions and nonprofit.
Speaker 4 (57:40):
Yeah, very very bad news.
Speaker 9 (57:42):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (57:42):
Mary.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
So you know, thank you for joining me. This is
really a great talk. And I'd love to get in
touch with some of the other authors and and and
intellectuals in your group. But to let my listeners and
viewers nowhere they can get your excellent book and website
or anything else you'd like to share.
Speaker 2 (58:38):
Okay, wonderful.
Speaker 7 (58:46):
M h.
Speaker 1 (58:48):
Listen in prof dot com. Mary Graver again, thanks for
joining me today.
Speaker 4 (58:52):
Really good talk. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (58:54):
Got thank you all right, Okay, thanks a lot, Mary.
I'll send you a link to the interview. It was
live streamed and podcasted. Thank you, Okay, bye bye. Thanks
(59:17):
for joining me. Everyone over at TikTok. I hope that
you heard that interview. I can't totally know, but I
did buy speakers recently, so TikTok could hear my interview.
In the other end, they could hear me, but they
can't necessarily hear my guests. But anyways, thanks for joining me.
(59:40):
I'll be back at seven o'clock with Michael D. Shaw
if you want to show it too into that. Meanwhile,
my books are available at Amazon Books. Charles Moskowitz MSc
O wytz and thanks for joining me, everybody. God bless God,
bless America.
Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
I'm sorry, no, mm.
Speaker 7 (01:03:39):
Hurries, I do the podcast coming up.
Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
H he's homosexual, That he was homosexual, kind of like
(01:05:28):
a rather debauchered life, you know, typical of like a
lot of kind of wealthy people.
Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
To bochered.
Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Mhm h.
Speaker 9 (01:05:44):
M hm.
Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
H.
Speaker 10 (01:05:53):
Hussy, I'm busy, he's busy. He's podcasting.
Speaker 7 (01:06:52):
The bath.
Speaker 9 (01:07:03):
That's the Schmicky presidency.
Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
M hm.
Speaker 9 (01:07:24):
Billion. Properly resigned, God destroyed.
Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
Mm hmm. When the body is a buried
Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Mm hmmmm
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