August 9, 2025 • 64 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, welcome to the program. Everyone. Charles Moscow is here.
Michael D. Shaw is my guest. How you doing, Mike?
So I could turn on TikTok, but I've decided not
to because I just don't want to worry about getting
once again hit with a band because the topics I
want to discuss are still vote boting on TikTok, and
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for reasons that are interesting. I mean, they're pretty mainstream
topics here, you know, the stolen election of twenty twenty,
the COVID pandemic, the vaccine Biden. I mean, these are,
you know, pretty mainstream topics, but they're still forbidden. And
for me, is it better.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
That the election was stolen so Trump could make more
of an impact?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Now it's turned out to be in a way. I mean,
we had to go through four very dangerous, disastrous years.
But now that you brought that up, now that Trump
is back and he's making a huge impact, he's completely
crushing it. I still am concerned over the fact that
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the two tier system of justice continues to stand, and
as long as it does, there's going to be a
danger that if they ever come back somehow, and they
probably ultimately very well made it's going to be like
a bloodbath because they we left them in place. And
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you know, we have situations. Even the other night, I'm
watching television and there's Andrew McCabe, disgraced former assistant director
of the FBI, lied to Congress under oath. I think
it was at least a dozen times. And he's there
making a buck. You know, he's on television, he's probably
writing a book. You know, he's fine. Whereas Steve Bannon
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was headed to four months in prison for simply saying
that he had executive privilege in his private conversations with
the president at the time that he doesn't want to
wouldn't testify, which is, even if that were a problem,
which it isn't, that's a lot less than what the
Cave did. But mc cabe has gotten away with scot free,
as as has you know, all those guys Komy and Clapper.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And the situation is that these guys represented a particular
belief system and there is an audience for that. Right.
It's going to take at least a generation or two
if we keep going the way, we're going to wipe
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this out, But there is an audience for hearing this
sort of left wing, clap track, lies, whatever, because people
just refuse to take off of the shackles of these
belief systems. So unfortunately that's going to be in place
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for a while. You know. The you can name any
number of figures that were disgraced but kept an audience
somehow because there were people that were such true believers
that it wouldn't matter, you know, you and I would
think if if the matter of shame or something came up.
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But they have no.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Shame, No, they have no scruples, no conscience. No, there's
no there's no nothing. I mean, there's no one there,
there's no real person underneath. And the fact is that that's
never going to go away. This is a cult that
will always be in place. It has always been in
place since Adam and Eve. I mean, we're not going
to get rid of it. But all the more reason
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why these particular individuals have to be taken to justice.
It has to be done. It's going to be ugly.
But you know, I put on the cover today Adam
Schiff and Tiss James. They I bring them up specifically
because it's a classic example of the kind of projection
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we're dealing with. Because they both attacked. In James's case,
she attacked Trump for allegedly doing some kind of real
estate devaluation of his property, which turned out not only
to be untrue, but he actually, you know, his property
was worth ten times more than he valued it. That
and they wanted to put him in prison. They wanted
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to find him like half a trillion dollars. I mean,
you know, it was a terrible and everybody was like,
you know, Pom Pom's on raw raw, and Shift was
even worse. I mean, Shiff is like an absolute scoundrel.
I mean, talk about he's the epitome of evil. You know,
he's going after Trump with a lot of open life.
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I mean, I don't know if he was involved with
the Steele dossier, but he was all over the Malla
group saying that Putin had conspired with Trump to steal
the twenty sixteen election, going out and oh I've got
this information in my back pocket, to getting his fat
face on the media just about every night. Never produced it,
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obviously because it didn't exist. Then he's all over the
perfect phone call impeachment by bringing up some shill inside
the Trump administration, some mole that was basically betraying Trump,
and he misrepresented the phone call on the floor of
Congress by completely lying about it. When he was called
on that, he said, oh no, that was just a joke.
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But nevertheless they went forward with this impeachment. He was
all over the j six Committee hearing, the phony hearing,
which has done in secret, where people were evidence was
destroyed when they left Congress, and where they interviewed only
select people cherry picked and got them to say certain things.
They were somewhere coached in advanced like that Kathy Hutchinson
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whatever her name was, really Cassie Cassidy, really rotten frame
up of the former president. And he was all over
the law fair cases. Now it turns out that he
has a problem with mortgage fraud.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
In both think about this because of the same thing
with Tis James.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yes, mortgage fraud.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
How much are they going to save on their monthly
payment by lying on their mortgage application? He ultimately this
becomes a surprise to some people in the audience, but basically,
if the bank thinks you can make the payments, you're
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going to get the mortgage all right, right, So the
fact that you're gonna in a stupid way and say
that both Maryland and California homes or your primary residents.
What's the point? What do you say to one hundred
dollars a month? Maybe maybe I don't look.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I mean, first of all, in the case of James,
she lied about claiming she was married to her father, Yeah,
in order to get like a mortgage in Washington, d C.
I mean. And in the case of Shift, he'd been
doing this for like apparently something like twenty years, where
he's taking you know, a you know, you know, cheating
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on his taxes basically in California and getting you know,
false mortgages in Maryland. The thing I don't understand is,
given the fact that they both planned on and did
go after the sitting president of the United States with
these same charges, how stupid could they be? I mean
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that they would actually put themselves I mean, look, you know,
I happened to be married to someone who works with
the federal government. I'm not going to get into it,
but she would never let me do something like this.
This is basic. You know, if you're you're involved with
the federal government, you have to be as clean as
a whistle.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
You know. Here's what happens, very simple, right, Both of
these people have fairly long careers in public service. Yes,
you start off by steely paper clips and you get
away with it. Then you start out by you know,
taking so ilsted expense and you get away with it.
So the other problem is that it's not within the
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culture of Congress for people who ran on each other,
they're basically all.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Schoudres, right, Yeah, really, so.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
They think they can get away with it, and they do.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
They do that away and then unless, of course, you're
George Santos, in which case they threw the book at
him for seven years in prison. I mean I think
that I hope that Trump gives him a commutation, you know,
I mean, I don't think I'm not saying what he
did was right, but that's pretty harsh and he's his
stuff is nothing compensive.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Adam schif First, it's hard. Would you have to understand
that the entire justice system has been leaning left since
what Felix Frankfurter or before right since we was well,
I mean the famous anecdote, which I don't think people
are that familiar with Robert Wells, who was the father
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of the John Birch Society. Yes, a child prodigy. People
don't know that.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, great man.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, I was able to attend Harvard University at a
very young age, and what if what are the good players?
He quite Harvard Law School because you couldn't stand having
a quote communist professor Felix Frank for so, who's on
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the Spree Court. Of course. So it's been shifted left
for over one hundred years and maybe longer. And it's
going to take a while to fix that. I mean,
the law schools are all left wing, so this is
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going to be a generational change. The criminal justice system
is broken, all right, it's going to take a while
to fix it. So if these people ever do get prosecuted,
here's what's going to happen. Hillary Clinton is suddenly going
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to get very sick and we'll have to feel sorry
for her and all this kind of thing. And Kobe
is going to develop some illness or whatever. There's going
to be extending leading is but you know, I don't
care the fact that they're being publicly disgraced. That's almost
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good enough.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, no, that's always good And speaking of getting sick,
did you see Robert Muller. He's in a assistant living
memory center. Yeah, you know, he you know, during the
Muller Report hearings. It was obvious to anybody watching those
that he was not functional. He was worse than Biden
in a way. He didn't he couldn't remember.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
That reminded me of when all the scandals were coming
out of Penn State football.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I started interviewing Joe Paturna, who was the coach.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, was clear, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
He was completely out of it and they were only
keeping him there for fundraising purposes. It was never I
don't think anybody wrote a specific guard will say yeah,
he's been a vegetable for five years or seven years
or whatever, but it was it was very similar.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
That, right. I mean, it's like a figurehead, and Mulloy
obviously was not all there. He was a figurehead. So
that raises the question of who was running that rotten gestapo.
The people who were running it was probably Weismann and Elias,
and that they were the sharks that were trying to
use this and drop all those lies to Rachel Maddow
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and the others to try to keep Trump our balance
and those.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I mean, is it enough to simplarly be motivated by
constant hate of Donald Trump? I mean, how do you
live that way? How do you walk around one hundred
percent negative all the time.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Think I want to get into this because I think
that that's a brilliant question, and it's getting worse among
some people, even people that I know. But as far
as people like Weissman and Elias they are, I don't
think they hate Trump. I think they're conscious winning participants
in a conspiracy to stop Trump. Because they are leftists,
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because they are internationalists, because it's satanic, because they have
an agenda that has made major advances in this country,
particularly getting a lift during the Wilson administration. There's a
lot invested in their agenda to transfer American sovereignty to
an international order, to change the very nature of the
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American individual, our minds, our souls.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
There's a big social, political, economic agenda that they are
a part of. And Trump stepped in and he was
waking up the beast. He was a disruptor. He was
not accountable, He couldn't be controlled, he couldn't be bought,
he already had his own money. He couldn't be blackmailed,
even though they're trying to apply that now, not really.
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He was an independent. He was a classic American archetype
and they had to stop him before he did more damage.
So I don't think it's a personal you know, the
average schmuck on the street doesn't have any idea why
they're hating Trump. Why they hate Trump. They've been brainwashed.
They're empty people. That's not what That's not Weisman and
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Elias and Komi and these other guys, these are not
stupid people. They have a very specific agenda and they
are powerful. That's why I was shocked at the time
that Trump actually was able to, you know, win I mean,
he won anyway, but he was able to win the
election last year. I really didn't think that they'd let
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that happen. I didn't think they'd allow him to be
inaugurated and he was. They are not going to stop.
I mean, and this is you know, they're a whole
you know, conscious life is dedicated to this. They've got
their judges involved in changing the constitution and acting unlawfully.
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They have the media still involved. You know, I was
watching Tom Yamas at CBS. He's worth Celester Holt, you
know the guy. Yeah, I mean, he's like and you
know it's interesting. I mean, they're trying to humanize him.
He went home to his Cuban community in Miami, and
he's they're ordering up a rapist, using a very Hispanic
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sounding you know, trying to make him look like a
nice guy, which I'm sure he is. But the thing
I don't understand is how could a Cuban American have
become such a communist? I thought that they were supposed
to be. They fled Castro. What they don't mention that.
You know, this is supposed to be a super patriotic
group of people. So I don't know what happened to him.
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He probably just sold out at some point. The point
I'm making is that they're still very much involved in
this conscious agenda to make remake the United States.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
And to be And also what's happening is they keep losing,
they get more bound and determined, sohow you know they
they're going to keep doing the same thing they've been doing.
It's not working anymore, thank god, but they keep plugging
away with the same old tactics. And they still believe
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that people watch the mainstream media, which is dying. Everybody
knows that, Yeah, if CBS was such a great asset,
why the hell would you want to sell it?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I know now that Cobert has been the dust. That's
a big step. Losing money. Eventually, we've talked about this.
They ultimately they can't sustain that. I mean he was
losing forty million dollars a year plus his salary is
eighteen million dollars plus his staff. He had three hundred people.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I mean, you have to ask yourself, as a business guy,
why would you pay someone eighteen million dollars to run
a losing enterprise.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well, eventually they stopped. It's just because we've talked about this,
how could like the NFL goes so woke? You know,
when people are dropping out, they're no longer interested. I mean,
eventually they have to pay the piper. It's not going
to go on like that forever. And I think that's
what's starting to happen now because there's some other people
who are going by the way of the Dodo bird
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also besides Cobert, He's only the first. But yet they
continue to chug along. And you know, to get back
to my original concern, there has to be some convictions,
there has to be some purp walks, there has to
be people in prison. Now to the idea of putting
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Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton. Then they're not going
to go to prison. I mean that's too big a reach.
Well what about Tony Fauci, Yes, well that's right. Those
are the people the second tier.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I don't think it's going to happen to Tony Fauci
because you know, remember that if you're the government, you
have an infinite timeline, right right, So you have the
whole infrastructure of the Department of Justice, which still is
mostly left wing. I mean you've got to appreciate it's
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like the FBI. Some things cannot be reformed. And I've
seen this in companies. Okay, well you know, we're going
to buy out this company and we're going to turn
it into our way of doing stuff. And I would
have menu say, you know what, you have to fire everybody.
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The culture is big into the walls here and it's
not gonna work. No.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I think you're right, m's populated.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
But the problem in government is it's very very difficult
to do that. No.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I mean, if it's that's proving to be true, I
think that is true with the FBI. I mean, Cash
Patel and Dan Bongino, they know the score. I mean,
they're the best people you can possibly hope for in
terms of reforming the FBI, and I'm not sure that
they're you know, maybe they are doing it. I don't know.
Department of Justice. I don't really trust Pam Bondi, but
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maybe maybe she's doing it. The Defense Department is virtually
having a Kupetar against Hexath. He's surrounded by people who
are really out to get him, and I don't know.
I mean, who knows what they're dealing with. I think
that we can only hope that there's a lot going
on quietly that in terms of at least getting the
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real heads of the snake, you know, the you know,
the people like you know what what happened in Trump's
first term, like the Vinman brothers. I mean, these are
people who are really traders and they're there. They were
marbled into the system before Obama left. They made sure
that they were populating all of the departments so they
could run the show behind the scenes and they could
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be activated like sleeper cells at the right time, which
is exactly what happened. I think that Trump has taken
major efforts to make sure it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
It's a very difficult job. You're cleaning out the Rugean
stables here and to use that other Absolutely it is
procedes where they couldn't tell who the good guys and
bad guys who were in Teguar battle and when cardinals
said kill them all, let God sorted out. And you're
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almost to that point. But the thing is, you can't
do that in a practical sense. So it's going to
be a very long term process, right. I don't think
you know, you and I may disagree on this. I
don't think there are going to be any high profile conditions. No,
I don't just agree.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I'm worried about that. I don't think there will either.
I mean, I think that Laura Loomer is doing a
good job as a researcher. She's identifying people. She's just
found this one person at the high levels of I
think it was the Defense Department whose husband is the
head of Antifa. Yeah, I mean, you know these you
know she's and I think as a reporter she's very
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careful to make.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Sure agregious stuff like that that that person is going
to go.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
But even the New York Times admits that she's very
careful as a researcher every document. I think that Pam
BONDI hopefully is like that. They say that she's not
going to just go out because you know, you're taking
on deep power here. You have to make sure that
every single document is, all the receipts there, everything is
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in place when you step out and do it and
pull the trigger on that one. And I think that
she's doing this. She's in the process of looking at
several other people. She has Trump's ear. Trump has defended
her publicly recently. When asked, he says, I think she's fine,
and there are a couple of other people like that.
Steve Miller is like that. You know, there's a I
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think cash matel certainly is like that. You know that
they are doing the hard work of ferreting out these skunks.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
It was like Senator Joseph McCarthy said, you can't go
in and clean out a barn without getting some stink,
you know, you know, it's just a it's a really
filthy job.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I mean, but to use them the McCarthy reference here,
he had to. Of course, some success is but the
problem was there was such a denial on de part
in the American public and people within the government that
may have otherwise been in good will. I mean, how
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would you like it if you were some returning gi
and maybe you got injured and you're seeing boy, you know,
there are a bunch of traders in there. It's a
pretty bitter feel.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It is. And I think that McCarthy, just to talk
about him for a minute, he was popular in his day,
It was very popular, and he was fine. The problem
is that when you're doing that kind of work and
you're exposing that kind of corruption, you have to be
so I mean, the lesson there is you have to
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not fall into any trap. You have to be so careful,
so meticulous. And he basically, first of all, he stepped
in it. During the Army McCarthy hearings. He got emotional
and he kind of made an offhanded comment that he
shouldn't have made because you have to Even though he
was right, you still have to be very you have
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to expect, you have to know an advance. You know,
there's I think there was a Chinese philosopher who talked
about this. I think allowed to. But you have to
know what the enemy is going to do in advance.
A good lawyer already knows the answer to the questions
he's going to ask in a in a trial, and
that could be a very contentious situation. And I think
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that McCarthy kind of got sloppy. Frankly, I think he
might have had a little alcoholism problem, you know he
and I think he just sort of he fell. He
basically fell on his own sword unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, I think the trouble was that he maybe underestimated
the backlash it was going to be created, right when
you're when you're going up against these institutions, and and
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he went up against the media. Obviously they didn't like.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Him, right, of course not. And he should have known,
and I think he expected it. Maybe he didn't quite
expect the ferocity of it, but that's because maybe he
didn't realize the degree by which this leftist enterprise had
infiltrated and so thoroughly. In spite of all of that, however,
McCarthy did good. I think he saved the country to
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an extent. I think Whittaker, Chambers and some of those
people also went a long way to save the country
because they were willing to stick their neck out and
take this kind of like real ugly heat and look.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
At the denial that even occurred with the alger his case,
your favorite guy, right right. I mean, it was badly obvious. Yeah,
he was a Soviet Asian. But yet even after the
known documents came out in nineteen ninety six, there was.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Still oh yeah, nobody cares about them. The point is
that his exposure publicly like that really was a strike
against this elitist, a moral communistic establishment, and it did
set them back, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
And by the way, speaking of Felix, Frankfurter, he personally
vouched for his His was one of his law clerks,
and he didn't know that. Yes, And during the because
I've read about this trial, during the trial he went
to the federal court and personally testified on his behalf.
So I mean, he made no bones.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
And but okay, okay, did Frank know Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I don't know if he knew. But at that point
it was pretty the whole country kind of knew. At
that point, you know, the the evidence was pouring out.
It wasn't just Whittaker Chambers. There was a lot of
people there were who were testifying about it. And his
behavior was was really sketchy, and it was just it
wasn't he wasn't looked upon eventually, I think they all
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threw him under the bus because it just you know,
let's move on.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
You know, it took a while, it did.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
And but the point is that they all rallied around him.
Truman rallied around him. He said, this is a red herring.
I mean, it was all It was a real strike.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Truman is not one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I know that. But it was a real strike at
this rotten establishment. It really was, and it was it
changed the course of history. And I think McCarthy did
that too, And I think that's what has to be
happened now.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Okay, but here's the thing. Shock, how is McCarthy regarded
by the average liberal?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
You know something, It doesn't matter. McCarthy himself is in heaven.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
We have to not worry about how we're portrayed. You
have to know that you can sleep at night knowing that.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You've I don't disagree with him, he hated. Yeah, some
walk down the streets in Massachusetts and try to get
Selma's opinion on Joe McCarthy because of the perversion of
the educational system. Oh yeah, No, I think that six
out of ten would be negative.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Oh yeah, he's hated. He's one of the most villain
villainized people in American history. The point I'm making here
is that who cares. He did his job, and he
did it right. He fell on his sword. He is
honorable for that reason. And if that means that he
has to deal with all these leftist historians and journalists,
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that's just part of the game. You know, you have
to deal with them if you want to step out
and do this. Does Cash Patel and does Pam Bondi
and Pete Heggs Seth and Jay R. F. K Junior?
Do they have the kohanas to step up out and
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do like McCarthy did and deal with the kind of
ugly brickbacks that are going to be thrown at them.
It's that's really what it comes down to. And you
have to have people who can do that. You have
to have people who can say, hey, I don't care,
I'm going to do what's right. You have to have
people individuals who are going to step out, like you know,
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like the OK Corral, you know at high noon, you
know Gary Cooper, you know, step out and say hey,
meet me at high noon and we'll see who's flinches first.
You know, you have to kind of go out there
and go eyeball to eyeball and say, hey, here I am,
let's go at it. That's all, you know, It's just
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that simple. I don't know if any of them have that,
but I think that they probably do. According to the
Drudge Report, which is despises Total Establishment, hates Trump, they
claim that Steve Bannon is going to run for president.
Oh man, and he's got that kind of guts. You know,
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he's somebody who could do it, and I'd support him
if he did. You know, that's that's a guy who
doesn't care. I mean, he went to jail for four
months rather than play ball with these people. Yeah, and
that's that's what we need.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Peter Nevare wonder though, if you reach your point, you
know what, why am I doing this for myself? Well?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And that's just and Trump is that kind of a guy.
Look at the look at what he's had to put
up with his families, how to put up with you know,
it's it's it's really a despicable thing. I mean, and
he doesn't seem to care. He's like, hey, I am
doing what I'm doing the people.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Look the one who really impresses me because what he
would to look at Peter McCulla, the most published cardiologists
in the world, and then he comes out on the
wrong side of this vaccine thing, and he gets villified.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Exactly, and he's he hasn't flinched, He's going forward, Robert Malone.
There are several important doctors and medical figures who were
amongst the most revered figures before that, before they crossed Fauci.
And the point is that that's right, that's what you need.
And I mean RFK JR. I mean, the guy's are
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complete folk hero. I had this leftist person the other
day say to me, I mean, she's there wearing a mask.
You know, the vantamic has been over for five years.
So I innocently asked her. I said, oh, do you
have some kind of a communicable disease? Should I be concerned?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (31:49):
No, no, I just have a weak immune system. I
have to protect. You know, COVID's coming back, she tells me,
because RFK, he's letting in DIP and malaria and he bolas.
I don't know what Bolo is here, but you know
it's like he's evil. He's letting all this stuff in.
By the way, how is he letting it in when
Trump has closed the border, but putting that aside. The
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point is it's this irrational rage and fear and cowardice
and just you know, that's.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Their whole worldview and they can't change.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Well, that brings me to what I also wanted to
get into. Because this incident, with this conversation I had,
and a couple of others and things, I've observed that
the Trump haters, the derangement is going on an overdrive
level that I haven't seen since Trump was first elected
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for the first term. It's and that's because the better
he does, I mean, he might I think next week
he's probably, according to sources, going to be having a
eating with Putin and Zelenski, and he very well may
conclude a peace treaty. And I could already hear what
they're gonna say. He's doing it to distract us from Epstein, right,
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I mean, it's like it's you.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Know what I mean, it's that bad. It's like cure cancer,
to distract everybody from them from Epstein.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
And by the way, Trump, as I said last time,
I think he's having a great game of ropodope with
that one. They'll scream and holler about releasing everything about Epstein,
so he'll be like, Okay, here it all is. And
guess what. All the liberals are gonna end up going
to the can because there's probably there's nothing in there
other than maybe that he probably shouldn't have been socializing
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with him. But that's all.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
It'll be maybe a little embarrassing. But if there was
something serious in there about Trump, we'd have known it along.
They wouldn't have invested in the Steele dossier and the
Perfect phone Call and the law Fair and all the rest.
Why would they do that if they had something on Trump? Anyways,
the derangement level is going through the roof, and I
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don't know what to account for that. I mean, I
think that it must be. It's like rats in a corner.
They're losing ground. Adam Schiff is going to the can.
You know, he's been involved with you know, he's being investigated.
That's now official by the district attorney in Maryland. That's
the right winger. You know, this is he's involved with
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old fashioned crimes and they're you know, they're on the
they're only on the ropes. I mean, he you know,
what else can they do? And I think the more
he's success, he is he is getting the crazier they
are becoming. I can't I can't know if I can
tolerate another big story on CBS about how the tariffs
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might lead to an increase in price is it hasn't.
But they go through this whole This is national time,
you know, prime time story about how they might You
could do the sensory saying they might not. Yeah, but
you know what I mean, it's like it's weak, they
got nothing.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
The reason it's getting worse with the derangement is number one,
they're losing. But number two is these horribly corrupt institutions
are five really being exposed. The big story in LA,
of course, is how U see LA Now Trump is
frozen over five hundred million dollars worth of funding. The
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excuse this is my opinion on the anti senitism, which
is real, oh real, But I think it's a way
of getting into this horribly inflated college support by the
If you looked at all the quote research being done
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in academia, I'm telling you you could cut it by
fifty percent and not miss abed. All right, it's so overinflated.
I've called it in many articles. There's another two turn Forard.
It's white man's welfare. That's what it is, all right.
There are too many academic scientists doing too much useless work,
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and it's only getting worse and worse and worse. The
idea of published or perish is so stupid because I mean,
I was involved in big time science. I went to
MIT many years ago, but it was you know, even then,
it was so esoteric that you didn't understand what was
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going on in the lamb next door to you. So
this is and none of it had any practical application, right.
In fact, they prided themselves that it had no practical application,
because when I was an undergrad, the only Nobel prizewinner
of UCLA was a guy who worked for Willard Libby,
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who did the practical thing of inventing carbon fourteen dating.
Okay Ne was vilified in the department because God forbid,
Bill Libby actually did something useful and got a lot
of money in grants. And that's just the whole nature
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of the academic science. I wish I could get my
son on to talk about how useless academic medic it is.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Oh yeah, it's preventive them everywhere you take a look
at the PhD programs. I mean, I did some research
on this because my daughter is a PhD student, and
you look at some of these PhD student and what
they're what there the major field is it is crackpot stuff.
It's just ridiculous. It's it's it's the whole thing has
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been so weakened and so dumb down. And even like
they all have like a headshot with their little blurb,
even the way they look, you know, they could they
at least bother combing their hair, maybe putting on a
good shirt.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
It's like it's so like, you know, ugly and so
slovenly and so I mean they're getting all this grant
to study what you know, like basket weaving. I mean,
how you know, the Incas did like you know, you know,
bead weaving and something. I mean, and they're getting a
PhD anyway, So the whole thing is rotten. It's become
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so inflated, and you know the whole idea of cutting it.
Of course, they're doing the same kind of like bait
and switch routine, which I don't think people are buying
here at Harvard. Oh, we're gonna have to cut and
they mentioned a program that everybody does value, you know,
they have probably about two percent of the money goes
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to it, you know, But they don't mention the fact
that the entire edifice is so heavy with these useless
administrators and bureaucrats who do nothing and who have not
contributed as sent to improving any And it's not just the.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Higher education where my wife used to work for Fairfax
County School District in Virginia, suburban DC. There's a big
scandal now that the superintendent who's paid over four hundred
thousand dollars a year, they're going to get her a
bodyguard for a hundred sixty one thousand. And there is
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so many levels of useless administration. And by the time,
just in the time that my wife retired from the
district right now, it used to be one of the
top school districts in the US, not anymore. It went
completely woke.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Beyond all these people are like leeching on that system.
And we learned this in Massachusetts. Even the Boston Globe
acknowledge that Elizabeth Warren, Pocahontas Warren, what was it, two
hundred grand a year from Harvard to teach one class
plus they threw in a house for free, and her
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husband also want to undergrand to get to him to
teach one class, and you know, they got all these perks. Meanwhile,
she's on doing a hustle on the side, you know,
representing companies who are trying to screw their employees, and
you know, you know, kind of an insider, a lawyer,
and it was even you know, it was so corrupt
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that even the Globe, you know, shook its head on that,
and and that she refused you know, she checks Native America,
and I mean, that's a whole different story, but just
it was an interesting little lifting of.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
The whole Harvard would have had the opportunity to say,
and what have I think been positive for them saying,
you know what, we were hood wing, We're sorry that
a spot that could have gone to a Native American didn't.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know something, even they were
squirming over this, and the Globe had a reporter and
actually did a legitimate piece of research in that because
of their rules, they refused to release her application documents
so they couldn't prove. But yet she's listed in the
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Professors of Color directory. She's listed you know, you know,
all of that and she really like made you know
that was she played that dime like crazy all those years.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Well, you know, she got exploded, like what was the
other things when Buffy Saint.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Marie, Yeah, not really Native American, she's Italian and she'd
go up on stage with beads and feathers, you know.
I mean, look, I mean there were questions about whether
Kamala Harris is really black. I mean in other words,
like you know, back in the day, obviously it's wrong
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that if you were black, you tried to hide it.
Like for example, Eisenhower apparently was black, but he you know,
he kind of you know, he didn't because back then
it was seen as a negative. Or certain actors like
Clark Gable I think is black, and Carol Channing, I mean,
they had black backgrounds, but they hit it because they
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because back then we had you know, the country was
racist and white supremacist back then, but now it's the opposite.
I mean, if you're not black, you you know, like
Kamala Harris, she's probably you know or like as her
face from the British the wife of the British royal guy,
you know, she's not you know, she clans to be black.
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The point is that's now become very fashionable, and and
so people like Elizabeth Waters, she's.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Doing real well, by the way, so that there's still
justice here, divine justice.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Divine justice. Hopefully we'll fall upon the heads of of
Adam Schiff and Komi and all these people. But you
don't think so. You don't think they're ever going to
be held up as you don't think that the wheels
of justice are going to catch up to them.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
We're going to turn very slowly. They're going to try
to get a sympathy factor. For some reason, there aren't
a lot of people like you and me who would
be very happy to you know, she these kind of
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punishments because a.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Lot of people would be very happy about it.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Well, I don't know. I mean, my impression is that
most people worship authority, So.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
There were so many people Aaron, he starts to fall
off the pedestal, it falls, and you know, I think
that once there's a crack.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
It falls. But to use the Fauci example, five let
him fall from grace. But there aren't that many people,
I mean, you and me accepted, who would be happy
seeing him perk walk and at eighty five years old
he put in jail. Okay, I would, because I know
what a scumbag the guy is. The problem is that
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most people don't.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
And I understand, we don't want to say. I mean, look,
I get that, you know, Yeah, as long as there's
some some kind of an accountability for his crime, I think.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
There will be accountability. But not in terms of throwing
the guy in the jail set.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Now, I don't know if Yeah, I agree, I mean
that might be too much for people. I mean, nobody
was it. I personally wouldn't mind either. But I get
the fact that people don't want to see Hillary in jail.
I mean, it would be beautiful to me to see
you know, the Clintons were classic examples of people who
always operated just one step ahead of the law. Yeah,
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and to see them.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
What her appeal was I could come up with, and
maybe some of the viewers are like this, The only
thing come up on her was it was a revenge
of the ugly girl thing. Okay, that's that's that's that's
(45:44):
a good one. I mean, I I couldn't think of
anything else. And and maybe maybe it comes to that
that somehow, you know, she's this plain Jane Kite who
masqueraded is being smart. She's not smart. No filmed the
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DC bar, which is one of the easiest in the US,
number of times.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
And she was corrupt even back then. I mean, I
think that the Watergate Committee, didn't they head of that,
that the legal group Door I think his name was,
He fired her and they wouldn't let him because she
was actually wanting to put President Nixon in prison. I mean,
you know, wanted to have him you know, drawn and quoted.
It was too much even for them, and you know,
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just really like a XALIDI.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
You know, she was an ideolog she was a girl.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Her speech at Wellesley is still under wraps. You can't
get it, you know, it's been classified. She spent money,
but Obama did this too, you know, they spent money
making sure that nothing was everything was covered up. You know,
nobody has even any record that Obama even attended Columbia.
Nobody's seen him there, Nobody even you know, there's no
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one witness that he was ever there. Well, with Obama,
we don't even need to go too far, but I
think that it's quite clear that there's very little, if
anything about him that's real. It's completely manufactured. Even you know,
his marriage. I mean, who knows me?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
People so desperately wanted to have this fanciful black figure, right,
it was you know, for me, it was falling apart
from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
But it was always something very artificial about it and
something unreal. I mean I saw him once at the
New Hampshire primary and there was an aura about him
that that seemed, I don't know, almost fascistic. I mean
it was almost like this cult. Women were fainting and
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it was just there's some kind of like a you know,
psychological tampering going on around him. I can't really explain it,
but the actual person needs to read off of a
teleprompter to address a kindergarten, you know, right, I mean
it's not like, uh, you know, it's like he came
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out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
He was beginning to get his though, because remember that
he was not in favor of Kamala Harris being a candidate, right,
he was right, but the uh, the house slaves you
might say, of the Democratic Party for some reason wanted Harris.
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Obama was overruled. And then you remember it was only
at the very end where he came up with that
stupid speech. Wow, if you're black, you'll managed a PARTI
and Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Right society spelting black people basically.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
But but he his influence is now zero, and I
don't think he's very happy about that.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
He never had hotels anyways, He's.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Under a big cloud with a mysterious life, including the
death of that chef.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Yes found like in a shallow pool. You know, it
has a little echoes of like the Clinton body list.
Not to go into that, but you know these people,
I mean, look, when you get that kind of power,
you might you feel justified as supposed to take measures
to protect and that can mean getting rid of bad news,
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you know, getting rid of anything that might serve as
an obstacle. And also right now the Chelsea gab. But
I mean, I hope something comes to this. This is
another concern has declassified information that indicates that Obama personally
both immediately before the election and immediately after the election,
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and I think even I don't know after he left office,
but that he engineered the Trump hoax that Putin had
that had conspired with or as they say, colluded with
Trump to steal the twenty sixteen election, and that that
was put in place as a way to at least
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hamper the new elected administration, if not have them removed
from office.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
I don't think there's any doubt of that.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
But out in this direction, that's a coupdeta that he is.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
For many people, especially Democrats, some kind of golden boy.
As you said, it was all a fake image. But
people were more than willing to buy the fake image, right,
and you and I've been around for a while and
can spot this stuff. But if you're given the way
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the media coverage was like he was the second coming whatever.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Oh yeah, when he debated Alan.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Keyes when he was running for the Senate in Illinois,
he came across like a moron compared to what he's
was doing. But there was some manufactured charisma that this
guy had, and he did just enough of the semi
gay presentation to fool a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah, he was very kind of unthreatening, rather pleasant, slightly effeminate. Yeah,
I get it. Well, I mean, you know, now, as
you say, it's all kind of coming out. But and
I don't really care. I don't think I think it's
too big an ask to ever think that he's going to.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Be completely You're you're right, I mean exactly.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
It's like the late great Reverend doctor Martin Luther King Junior.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
Look good speech is starting to fall apart now.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Too, I agree. But the point is that, especially after
the assassination, he's been lionized to an idolized and deified
as a saint to such a degree that it's not
worth it.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
You have to move on.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
They got that one right. And I'm not saying, by
the way that he wasn't had many great qualities. You know,
he did, and he gave some incredible speeches, and it
even could be interpreted as being conservative and Christian if
you want to go that way, although I think he
was very cagey about who he was, like a lot
of these people. But nevertheless, it's that's you have to
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kind of pick your fights. That's been done. He's been
put the National Day, he's on the stand, he's in
the you know, statue in Washington. Fine, you move on.
But I don't know if Obomba is at quite at
that level. But you know, you kind of have to
pick your fights. I mean, they're talking about putting a
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statue of Biden at the front of the White House.
I mean whatever, I mean, it's you know, I think
that that one ain't gonna happen, but at least, you know,
we have to deal with what can be done. You know,
given this establishment and their worship, their idle worship of heroes,
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you know, it's a you know, it's just you have
to kind of deal with the realities of taking them
out piece by piece, or at least putting them back,
which is like what Senator McCarthy did. No one's ever
going to put a statue of him, but that's okay.
He did God's work. He identified evil, he showed up,
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he exposed to Speaking of McCarthy, do you know that
when McCarthy started to get into this, and by the way,
he was a liberal Republican. He wasn't a particularly right
wing guy either. He gave a speech, a famous speech
in Wheeling, West Virginia, where he said, there I have
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fifty two people in the state Department who are direct
members of the Communist Party, are carrying Communists who are
working for Stalin. You can't get that list. And the
reason you can't get that list, and it was published
(54:41):
in newspapers and it was in libraries, is because some
person or some group or some coordinated function were able
to destroy it completely. You cannot get it. It doesn't
exist anywhere. It has been completely totally censored. So we'll
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never know who was on that list.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
That's what they do.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
They will change and alter history.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Well solid was invented.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
Oh yeah, Well, I mean it's always happened. And when
whoever's in power writes the history books, you know, that's
that's what happens. And the people.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
You know, somebody said talking about history. He said, isn't
it amazing that every word history, the good guys have
always won.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
That's funny because yeah, they they they get to tell
the story.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
But I mean, look, i mean just briefly because we're
kind of reaching toward the end here. But and I'm
putting the finishing touches on my book on social theory.
But in history, but in my study of American the
American Revolution at Arizona State, I discovered that it was
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taken over by the left when in the nineteen thirties
a historian by the name of Charles Austin Beard came
up with a theory in which he claimed that the
founding fathers were not actually believers in any of the
ideals that they wrote about and discussed things like liberty, independence, freedom, republicanism,
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any of that. That was all propaganda because what they
wanted to do was replaced the British monarchy and aristocracy
with themselves and that they would be the ones to
make and they did it for money. They wanted monopoly
on merchandise. You know, the merchant meant they take our
neo mercantile system.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
Well, I explained that none of them really ended up.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
No, obviously that's not true anyways, because the Finding Fathers
were a mixed group of people. You had aristocrats like Jefferson,
but also John Adams. He came from a humble background.
He had a small farm. He wasn't rich.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
Riched everything. He was a rich guy.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
No, I mean, it's obviously false. But the problem But
the thing is that this kind of theory became dominant
in the American historical establishment, which was completely co opted
by the left starting in the nineteen thirties when they
got rid of Harry Alma Barnes, who had written a
book called Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace after World War
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One and who was banned. He was at the time
of one of America's most respected historians and smeared as
an anti Sumite, which was not true, and that anybody
else who didn't play ball were erased, and that the
Charles Austin Beard point of view would predominate. As I
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found out in my class on the American Revolution, all
the historians are Beardzians. Everything is you know, this is
it's the it's a communist dialectic. In other words, that
and that the the average people, the average patriot, was
fooled with propaganda that was put out by greedy owners.
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That is their version of the American Revolution. In other words,
nothing really happened.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
They say, to prove it, I mean, you could anything.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
They say, nothing to prove it. It's a theory and
it's just and it's astonishing. They'll just go out. I've
seen some of these historians. They'll blurt out these assertions
out of thin air, and they just sit there. They
don't even feel the need to prove anything at all.
It's just, you know, it's or they'll come up with
some flimsy thing. I mean, this guy, Woody Woody, what's
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his last name, not Horton or maybe it was Horton.
He he wrote a history book which is very influential,
which we read where he says that the British were
planning on freeing all the slaves in Virginia, which was
why the Virginia establishment in Jefferson and Washington had to
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kick them out, because they didn't want to free the slays.
There's no proof to that. He points out this thing
called the dun Meyer Letter, which he says General Governor Dunmyer,
the last British governor of Virginia, wrote this proclamation freeing
the slaves. Yeah, apparently technically he did. But what he
doesn't tell you is that he wrote it while he
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was on the ship going home after being kicked out
of Virginia. You know, it's like really, it's like and
nobody had ever heard of it. It was like this
obscure thing.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
So that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
I mean, they make this stuff up. And yeah, the
whole sixty nine, the whole sixteen nineteen project was you
take a look at the masthead of that. It's it's poets, musicians,
fiction writers. There are very few actual historians involved.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Their usual suspects.
Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Yeah, and and they come up with this cockamamie thing. Anyway,
that the point is that they are the ones who
hold the high ground of the culture.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
They probably what's happening too is that I'll leave you
with this, still appreciate it. Opening at the famous Pantagious
Theater in Hollywood, which now does a lot of live theater.
Is a reissue, if you like, of some like it Hot,
(01:00:39):
the famous movie and you remember that is a bass
player dresses up as a character called Daphne and acts
as a woman for a large part of the movie.
What they did in the playing version is that you
like speaking a woman so much? He transitions, Sure, well, no.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
That's that's yeah, that you have to put that in now,
something like that, Like that movie The Concave. I don't
know if you're sorry, I'm not going to give it away,
but you know, it was a fairly good movie about
the intrigue of picking a new pope, but they had
to throw that in as the main I probably should.
I don't want to give up give away a story,
(01:01:25):
but you know, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Won't give away the ending.
Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
But it was sort of such a disappointment because it was,
you know, it showed someone that that you had to
see his intrigue and so and then it ends with
his nonsense and you're thinking, really, I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
It didn't even come across as as anything genuine. It
just looked to me they wanted to get an Academy award,
which they did. They wanted to get publicity. They want
to make a few bucks, and that's what you have
to do. You have to play that game in order
to appease the you know, the people in Hollywood. But
(01:02:02):
the problem is that the American people aren't resonating with
that anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I mean, right's losing tons of money.
Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Yeah, I mean Josh Shapiro, he wants to run for president,
he wants to be the first Jewish president. So what
does he do? I saw him on I think with
Bill Maher fairly nice conservative guy. Basically, you know that
a lot of these things work. But of course the
difference between me and Trump is that I support our
law enforcement, unlike Trump because during the so called quote
(01:02:34):
unquote insurrection, police were all killed and Trump did nothing
but pardon those people, which is a complete lie, of course,
but he had to say that because that's what the
Democratic Party and the establishment left.
Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Why is Josh Shapiro still a Democrat? He gets screwed.
He would have been a much better candidate than Kabyla
Harris oh All is wrong with the guy, but he's
reinvent himself as a Republican.
Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
That would be that would be smart. But he's cast
his lot in that group. And so he plays ball
and and and promotes these shibboleths because that's how you
still get ahead. But the thing that they're forgetting and
missing is that that no longer resonates with me.
Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
It doesn't work. They're using the old.
Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
People don't believe that bs anymore obviously, So it's and
and they're they're basically their core following is shrinking. And
I think that we're going to see more of that, hopefully,
God willing. Anyways, So Mike uh As I said, I'll
be off next week, but hopefully I'll be up in
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two weeks when I'm in Berkeley, California.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
That would be great doing a live feed from.
Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
That'll be fun. All right, all right, soon, God bless
the thanks, all right, bye bye,
All right, welcome to the program. Everyone. Charles Moscow is here.
Michael D. Shaw is my guest. How you doing, Mike?
So I could turn on TikTok, but I've decided not
to because I just don't want to worry about getting
once again hit with a band because the topics I
want to discuss are still vote boting on TikTok, and
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for reasons that are interesting. I mean, they're pretty mainstream
topics here, you know, the stolen election of twenty twenty,
the COVID pandemic, the vaccine Biden. I mean, these are,
you know, pretty mainstream topics, but they're still forbidden. And
for me, is it better.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
That the election was stolen so Trump could make more
of an impact?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Now it's turned out to be in a way. I mean,
we had to go through four very dangerous, disastrous years.
But now that you brought that up, now that Trump
is back and he's making a huge impact, he's completely
crushing it. I still am concerned over the fact that
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the two tier system of justice continues to stand, and
as long as it does, there's going to be a
danger that if they ever come back somehow, and they
probably ultimately very well made it's going to be like
a bloodbath because they we left them in place. And
(01:32):
you know, we have situations. Even the other night, I'm
watching television and there's Andrew McCabe, disgraced former assistant director
of the FBI, lied to Congress under oath. I think
it was at least a dozen times. And he's there
making a buck. You know, he's on television, he's probably
writing a book. You know, he's fine. Whereas Steve Bannon
(01:58):
was headed to four months in prison for simply saying
that he had executive privilege in his private conversations with
the president at the time that he doesn't want to
wouldn't testify, which is, even if that were a problem,
which it isn't, that's a lot less than what the
Cave did. But mc cabe has gotten away with scot free,
as as has you know, all those guys Komy and Clapper.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
And the situation is that these guys represented a particular
belief system and there is an audience for that. Right.
It's going to take at least a generation or two
if we keep going the way, we're going to wipe
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this out, But there is an audience for hearing this
sort of left wing, clap track, lies, whatever, because people
just refuse to take off of the shackles of these
belief systems. So unfortunately that's going to be in place
(03:09):
for a while. You know. The you can name any
number of figures that were disgraced but kept an audience
somehow because there were people that were such true believers
that it wouldn't matter, you know, you and I would
think if if the matter of shame or something came up.
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But they have no.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Shame, No, they have no scruples, no conscience. No, there's
no there's no nothing. I mean, there's no one there,
there's no real person underneath. And the fact is that that's
never going to go away. This is a cult that
will always be in place. It has always been in
place since Adam and Eve. I mean, we're not going
to get rid of it. But all the more reason
(03:54):
why these particular individuals have to be taken to justice.
It has to be done. It's going to be ugly.
But you know, I put on the cover today Adam
Schiff and Tiss James. They I bring them up specifically
because it's a classic example of the kind of projection
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we're dealing with. Because they both attacked. In James's case,
she attacked Trump for allegedly doing some kind of real
estate devaluation of his property, which turned out not only
to be untrue, but he actually, you know, his property
was worth ten times more than he valued it. That
and they wanted to put him in prison. They wanted
(04:39):
to find him like half a trillion dollars. I mean,
you know, it was a terrible and everybody was like,
you know, Pom Pom's on raw raw, and Shift was
even worse. I mean, Shiff is like an absolute scoundrel.
I mean, talk about he's the epitome of evil. You know,
he's going after Trump with a lot of open life.
(05:00):
I mean, I don't know if he was involved with
the Steele dossier, but he was all over the Malla
group saying that Putin had conspired with Trump to steal
the twenty sixteen election, going out and oh I've got
this information in my back pocket, to getting his fat
face on the media just about every night. Never produced it,
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obviously because it didn't exist. Then he's all over the
perfect phone call impeachment by bringing up some shill inside
the Trump administration, some mole that was basically betraying Trump,
and he misrepresented the phone call on the floor of
Congress by completely lying about it. When he was called
on that, he said, oh no, that was just a joke.
(05:43):
But nevertheless they went forward with this impeachment. He was
all over the j six Committee hearing, the phony hearing,
which has done in secret, where people were evidence was
destroyed when they left Congress, and where they interviewed only
select people cherry picked and got them to say certain things.
They were somewhere coached in advanced like that Kathy Hutchinson
(06:06):
whatever her name was, really Cassie Cassidy, really rotten frame
up of the former president. And he was all over
the law fair cases. Now it turns out that he
has a problem with mortgage fraud.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
In both think about this because of the same thing
with Tis James.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yes, mortgage fraud.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
How much are they going to save on their monthly
payment by lying on their mortgage application? He ultimately this
becomes a surprise to some people in the audience, but basically,
if the bank thinks you can make the payments, you're
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going to get the mortgage all right, right, So the
fact that you're gonna in a stupid way and say
that both Maryland and California homes or your primary residents.
What's the point? What do you say to one hundred
dollars a month? Maybe maybe I don't look.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I mean, first of all, in the case of James,
she lied about claiming she was married to her father, Yeah,
in order to get like a mortgage in Washington, d C.
I mean. And in the case of Shift, he'd been
doing this for like apparently something like twenty years, where
he's taking you know, a you know, you know, cheating
(07:33):
on his taxes basically in California and getting you know,
false mortgages in Maryland. The thing I don't understand is,
given the fact that they both planned on and did
go after the sitting president of the United States with
these same charges, how stupid could they be? I mean
(07:55):
that they would actually put themselves I mean, look, you know,
I happened to be married to someone who works with
the federal government. I'm not going to get into it,
but she would never let me do something like this.
This is basic. You know, if you're you're involved with
the federal government, you have to be as clean as
a whistle.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
You know. Here's what happens, very simple, right, Both of
these people have fairly long careers in public service. Yes,
you start off by steely paper clips and you get
away with it. Then you start out by you know,
taking so ilsted expense and you get away with it.
So the other problem is that it's not within the
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culture of Congress for people who ran on each other,
they're basically all.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Schoudres, right, Yeah, really, so.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
They think they can get away with it, and they do.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
They do that away and then unless, of course, you're
George Santos, in which case they threw the book at
him for seven years in prison. I mean I think
that I hope that Trump gives him a commutation, you know,
I mean, I don't think I'm not saying what he
did was right, but that's pretty harsh and he's his
stuff is nothing compensive.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Adam schif First, it's hard. Would you have to understand
that the entire justice system has been leaning left since
what Felix Frankfurter or before right since we was well,
I mean the famous anecdote, which I don't think people
are that familiar with Robert Wells, who was the father
(09:34):
of the John Birch Society. Yes, a child prodigy. People
don't know that.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, great man.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, I was able to attend Harvard University at a
very young age, and what if what are the good players?
He quite Harvard Law School because you couldn't stand having
a quote communist professor Felix Frank for so, who's on
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the Spree Court. Of course. So it's been shifted left
for over one hundred years and maybe longer. And it's
going to take a while to fix that. I mean,
the law schools are all left wing, so this is
(10:22):
going to be a generational change. The criminal justice system
is broken, all right, it's going to take a while
to fix it. So if these people ever do get prosecuted,
here's what's going to happen. Hillary Clinton is suddenly going
(10:45):
to get very sick and we'll have to feel sorry
for her and all this kind of thing. And Kobe
is going to develop some illness or whatever. There's going
to be extending leading is but you know, I don't
care the fact that they're being publicly disgraced. That's almost
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good enough.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, no, that's always good And speaking of getting sick,
did you see Robert Muller. He's in a assistant living
memory center. Yeah, you know, he you know, during the
Muller Report hearings. It was obvious to anybody watching those
that he was not functional. He was worse than Biden
in a way. He didn't he couldn't remember.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
That reminded me of when all the scandals were coming
out of Penn State football.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I started interviewing Joe Paturna, who was the coach.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, was clear, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
He was completely out of it and they were only
keeping him there for fundraising purposes. It was never I
don't think anybody wrote a specific guard will say yeah,
he's been a vegetable for five years or seven years
or whatever, but it was it was very similar.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
That, right. I mean, it's like a figurehead, and Mulloy
obviously was not all there. He was a figurehead. So
that raises the question of who was running that rotten gestapo.
The people who were running it was probably Weismann and Elias,
and that they were the sharks that were trying to
use this and drop all those lies to Rachel Maddow
(12:32):
and the others to try to keep Trump our balance
and those.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I mean, is it enough to simplarly be motivated by
constant hate of Donald Trump? I mean, how do you
live that way? How do you walk around one hundred
percent negative all the time.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Think I want to get into this because I think
that that's a brilliant question, and it's getting worse among
some people, even people that I know. But as far
as people like Weissman and Elias they are, I don't
think they hate Trump. I think they're conscious winning participants
in a conspiracy to stop Trump. Because they are leftists,
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because they are internationalists, because it's satanic, because they have
an agenda that has made major advances in this country,
particularly getting a lift during the Wilson administration. There's a
lot invested in their agenda to transfer American sovereignty to
an international order, to change the very nature of the
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American individual, our minds, our souls.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
There's a big social, political, economic agenda that they are
a part of. And Trump stepped in and he was
waking up the beast. He was a disruptor. He was
not accountable, He couldn't be controlled, he couldn't be bought,
he already had his own money. He couldn't be blackmailed,
even though they're trying to apply that now, not really.
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He was an independent. He was a classic American archetype
and they had to stop him before he did more damage.
So I don't think it's a personal you know, the
average schmuck on the street doesn't have any idea why
they're hating Trump. Why they hate Trump. They've been brainwashed.
They're empty people. That's not what That's not Weisman and
(14:29):
Elias and Komi and these other guys, these are not
stupid people. They have a very specific agenda and they
are powerful. That's why I was shocked at the time
that Trump actually was able to, you know, win I mean,
he won anyway, but he was able to win the
election last year. I really didn't think that they'd let
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that happen. I didn't think they'd allow him to be
inaugurated and he was. They are not going to stop.
I mean, and this is you know, they're a whole
you know, conscious life is dedicated to this. They've got
their judges involved in changing the constitution and acting unlawfully.
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They have the media still involved. You know, I was
watching Tom Yamas at CBS. He's worth Celester Holt, you
know the guy. Yeah, I mean, he's like and you
know it's interesting. I mean, they're trying to humanize him.
He went home to his Cuban community in Miami, and
he's they're ordering up a rapist, using a very Hispanic
(15:36):
sounding you know, trying to make him look like a
nice guy, which I'm sure he is. But the thing
I don't understand is how could a Cuban American have
become such a communist? I thought that they were supposed
to be. They fled Castro. What they don't mention that.
You know, this is supposed to be a super patriotic
group of people. So I don't know what happened to him.
(15:57):
He probably just sold out at some point. The point
I'm making is that they're still very much involved in
this conscious agenda to make remake the United States.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
And to be And also what's happening is they keep losing,
they get more bound and determined, sohow you know they
they're going to keep doing the same thing they've been doing.
It's not working anymore, thank god, but they keep plugging
away with the same old tactics. And they still believe
(16:33):
that people watch the mainstream media, which is dying. Everybody
knows that, Yeah, if CBS was such a great asset,
why the hell would you want to sell it?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I know now that Cobert has been the dust. That's
a big step. Losing money. Eventually, we've talked about this.
They ultimately they can't sustain that. I mean he was
losing forty million dollars a year plus his salary is
eighteen million dollars plus his staff. He had three hundred people.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I mean, you have to ask yourself, as a business guy,
why would you pay someone eighteen million dollars to run
a losing enterprise.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well, eventually they stopped. It's just because we've talked about this,
how could like the NFL goes so woke? You know,
when people are dropping out, they're no longer interested. I mean,
eventually they have to pay the piper. It's not going
to go on like that forever. And I think that's
what's starting to happen now because there's some other people
who are going by the way of the Dodo bird
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also besides Cobert, He's only the first. But yet they
continue to chug along. And you know, to get back
to my original concern, there has to be some convictions,
there has to be some purp walks, there has to
be people in prison. Now to the idea of putting
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Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton. Then they're not going
to go to prison. I mean that's too big a reach.
Well what about Tony Fauci, Yes, well that's right. Those
are the people the second tier.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I don't think it's going to happen to Tony Fauci
because you know, remember that if you're the government, you
have an infinite timeline, right right, So you have the
whole infrastructure of the Department of Justice, which still is
mostly left wing. I mean you've got to appreciate it's
(18:38):
like the FBI. Some things cannot be reformed. And I've
seen this in companies. Okay, well you know, we're going
to buy out this company and we're going to turn
it into our way of doing stuff. And I would
have menu say, you know what, you have to fire everybody.
(18:58):
The culture is big into the walls here and it's
not gonna work. No.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I think you're right, m's populated.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
But the problem in government is it's very very difficult
to do that. No.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I mean, if it's that's proving to be true, I
think that is true with the FBI. I mean, Cash
Patel and Dan Bongino, they know the score. I mean,
they're the best people you can possibly hope for in
terms of reforming the FBI, and I'm not sure that
they're you know, maybe they are doing it. I don't know.
Department of Justice. I don't really trust Pam Bondi, but
(19:33):
maybe maybe she's doing it. The Defense Department is virtually
having a Kupetar against Hexath. He's surrounded by people who
are really out to get him, and I don't know.
I mean, who knows what they're dealing with. I think
that we can only hope that there's a lot going
on quietly that in terms of at least getting the
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real heads of the snake, you know, the you know,
the people like you know what what happened in Trump's
first term, like the Vinman brothers. I mean, these are
people who are really traders and they're there. They were
marbled into the system before Obama left. They made sure
that they were populating all of the departments so they
could run the show behind the scenes and they could
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be activated like sleeper cells at the right time, which
is exactly what happened. I think that Trump has taken
major efforts to make sure it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
It's a very difficult job. You're cleaning out the Rugean
stables here and to use that other Absolutely it is
procedes where they couldn't tell who the good guys and
bad guys who were in Teguar battle and when cardinals
said kill them all, let God sorted out. And you're
(20:52):
almost to that point. But the thing is, you can't
do that in a practical sense. So it's going to
be a very long term process, right. I don't think
you know, you and I may disagree on this. I
don't think there are going to be any high profile conditions. No,
I don't just agree.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I'm worried about that. I don't think there will either.
I mean, I think that Laura Loomer is doing a
good job as a researcher. She's identifying people. She's just
found this one person at the high levels of I
think it was the Defense Department whose husband is the
head of Antifa. Yeah, I mean, you know these you
know she's and I think as a reporter she's very
(21:35):
careful to make.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Sure agregious stuff like that that that person is going
to go.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
But even the New York Times admits that she's very
careful as a researcher every document. I think that Pam
BONDI hopefully is like that. They say that she's not
going to just go out because you know, you're taking
on deep power here. You have to make sure that
every single document is, all the receipts there, everything is
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in place when you step out and do it and
pull the trigger on that one. And I think that
she's doing this. She's in the process of looking at
several other people. She has Trump's ear. Trump has defended
her publicly recently. When asked, he says, I think she's fine,
and there are a couple of other people like that.
Steve Miller is like that. You know, there's a I
(22:25):
think cash matel certainly is like that. You know that
they are doing the hard work of ferreting out these skunks.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
It was like Senator Joseph McCarthy said, you can't go
in and clean out a barn without getting some stink,
you know, you know, it's just a it's a really
filthy job.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I mean, but to use them the McCarthy reference here,
he had to. Of course, some success is but the
problem was there was such a denial on de part
in the American public and people within the government that
may have otherwise been in good will. I mean, how
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would you like it if you were some returning gi
and maybe you got injured and you're seeing boy, you know,
there are a bunch of traders in there. It's a
pretty bitter feel.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
It is. And I think that McCarthy, just to talk
about him for a minute, he was popular in his day,
It was very popular, and he was fine. The problem
is that when you're doing that kind of work and
you're exposing that kind of corruption, you have to be
so I mean, the lesson there is you have to
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not fall into any trap. You have to be so careful,
so meticulous. And he basically, first of all, he stepped
in it. During the Army McCarthy hearings. He got emotional
and he kind of made an offhanded comment that he
shouldn't have made because you have to Even though he
was right, you still have to be very you have
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to expect, you have to know an advance. You know,
there's I think there was a Chinese philosopher who talked
about this. I think allowed to. But you have to
know what the enemy is going to do in advance.
A good lawyer already knows the answer to the questions
he's going to ask in a in a trial, and
that could be a very contentious situation. And I think
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that McCarthy kind of got sloppy. Frankly, I think he
might have had a little alcoholism problem, you know he
and I think he just sort of he fell. He
basically fell on his own sword unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, I think the trouble was that he maybe underestimated
the backlash it was going to be created, right when
you're when you're going up against these institutions, and and
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he went up against the media. Obviously they didn't like.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Him, right, of course not. And he should have known,
and I think he expected it. Maybe he didn't quite
expect the ferocity of it, but that's because maybe he
didn't realize the degree by which this leftist enterprise had
infiltrated and so thoroughly. In spite of all of that, however,
McCarthy did good. I think he saved the country to
(25:26):
an extent. I think Whittaker, Chambers and some of those
people also went a long way to save the country
because they were willing to stick their neck out and
take this kind of like real ugly heat and look.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
At the denial that even occurred with the alger his case,
your favorite guy, right right. I mean, it was badly obvious. Yeah,
he was a Soviet Asian. But yet even after the
known documents came out in nineteen ninety six, there was.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Still oh yeah, nobody cares about them. The point is
that his exposure publicly like that really was a strike
against this elitist, a moral communistic establishment, and it did
set them back, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
And by the way, speaking of Felix, Frankfurter, he personally
vouched for his His was one of his law clerks,
and he didn't know that. Yes, And during the because
I've read about this trial, during the trial he went
to the federal court and personally testified on his behalf.
So I mean, he made no bones.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
And but okay, okay, did Frank know Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I don't know if he knew. But at that point
it was pretty the whole country kind of knew. At
that point, you know, the the evidence was pouring out.
It wasn't just Whittaker Chambers. There was a lot of
people there were who were testifying about it. And his
behavior was was really sketchy, and it was just it
wasn't he wasn't looked upon eventually, I think they all
(27:11):
threw him under the bus because it just you know,
let's move on.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
You know, it took a while, it did.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
And but the point is that they all rallied around him.
Truman rallied around him. He said, this is a red herring.
I mean, it was all It was a real strike.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Truman is not one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I know that. But it was a real strike at
this rotten establishment. It really was, and it was it
changed the course of history. And I think McCarthy did
that too, And I think that's what has to be
happened now.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Okay, but here's the thing. Shock, how is McCarthy regarded
by the average liberal?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
You know something, It doesn't matter. McCarthy himself is in heaven.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
We have to not worry about how we're portrayed. You
have to know that you can sleep at night knowing that.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
You've I don't disagree with him, he hated. Yeah, some
walk down the streets in Massachusetts and try to get
Selma's opinion on Joe McCarthy because of the perversion of
the educational system. Oh yeah, No, I think that six
out of ten would be negative.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Oh yeah, he's hated. He's one of the most villain
villainized people in American history. The point I'm making here
is that who cares. He did his job, and he
did it right. He fell on his sword. He is
honorable for that reason. And if that means that he
has to deal with all these leftist historians and journalists,
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that's just part of the game. You know, you have
to deal with them if you want to step out
and do this. Does Cash Patel and does Pam Bondi
and Pete Heggs Seth and Jay R. F. K Junior?
Do they have the kohanas to step up out and
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do like McCarthy did and deal with the kind of
ugly brickbacks that are going to be thrown at them.
It's that's really what it comes down to. And you
have to have people who can do that. You have
to have people who can say, hey, I don't care,
I'm going to do what's right. You have to have
people individuals who are going to step out, like you know,
(29:23):
like the OK Corral, you know at high noon, you
know Gary Cooper, you know, step out and say hey,
meet me at high noon and we'll see who's flinches first.
You know, you have to kind of go out there
and go eyeball to eyeball and say, hey, here I am,
let's go at it. That's all, you know, It's just
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that simple. I don't know if any of them have that,
but I think that they probably do. According to the
Drudge Report, which is despises Total Establishment, hates Trump, they
claim that Steve Bannon is going to run for president.
Oh man, and he's got that kind of guts. You know,
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he's somebody who could do it, and I'd support him
if he did. You know, that's that's a guy who
doesn't care. I mean, he went to jail for four
months rather than play ball with these people. Yeah, and
that's that's what we need.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Peter Nevare wonder though, if you reach your point, you
know what, why am I doing this for myself? Well?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And that's just and Trump is that kind of a guy.
Look at the look at what he's had to put
up with his families, how to put up with you know,
it's it's it's really a despicable thing. I mean, and
he doesn't seem to care. He's like, hey, I am
doing what I'm doing the people.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Look the one who really impresses me because what he
would to look at Peter McCulla, the most published cardiologists
in the world, and then he comes out on the
wrong side of this vaccine thing, and he gets villified.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Exactly, and he's he hasn't flinched, He's going forward, Robert Malone.
There are several important doctors and medical figures who were
amongst the most revered figures before that, before they crossed Fauci.
And the point is that that's right, that's what you need.
And I mean RFK JR. I mean, the guy's are
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complete folk hero. I had this leftist person the other
day say to me, I mean, she's there wearing a mask.
You know, the vantamic has been over for five years.
So I innocently asked her. I said, oh, do you
have some kind of a communicable disease? Should I be concerned?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (31:49):
No, no, I just have a weak immune system. I
have to protect. You know, COVID's coming back, she tells me,
because RFK, he's letting in DIP and malaria and he bolas.
I don't know what Bolo is here, but you know
it's like he's evil. He's letting all this stuff in.
By the way, how is he letting it in when
Trump has closed the border, but putting that aside. The
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point is it's this irrational rage and fear and cowardice
and just you know, that's.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Their whole worldview and they can't change.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Well, that brings me to what I also wanted to
get into. Because this incident, with this conversation I had,
and a couple of others and things, I've observed that
the Trump haters, the derangement is going on an overdrive
level that I haven't seen since Trump was first elected
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for the first term. It's and that's because the better
he does, I mean, he might I think next week
he's probably, according to sources, going to be having a
eating with Putin and Zelenski, and he very well may
conclude a peace treaty. And I could already hear what
they're gonna say. He's doing it to distract us from Epstein, right,
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I mean, it's like it's you.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Know what I mean, it's that bad. It's like cure cancer,
to distract everybody from them from Epstein.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
And by the way, Trump, as I said last time,
I think he's having a great game of ropodope with
that one. They'll scream and holler about releasing everything about Epstein,
so he'll be like, Okay, here it all is. And
guess what. All the liberals are gonna end up going
to the can because there's probably there's nothing in there
other than maybe that he probably shouldn't have been socializing
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with him. But that's all.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
It'll be maybe a little embarrassing. But if there was
something serious in there about Trump, we'd have known it along.
They wouldn't have invested in the Steele dossier and the
Perfect phone Call and the law Fair and all the rest.
Why would they do that if they had something on Trump? Anyways,
the derangement level is going through the roof, and I
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don't know what to account for that. I mean, I
think that it must be. It's like rats in a corner.
They're losing ground. Adam Schiff is going to the can.
You know, he's been involved with you know, he's being investigated.
That's now official by the district attorney in Maryland. That's
the right winger. You know, this is he's involved with
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old fashioned crimes and they're you know, they're on the
they're only on the ropes. I mean, he you know,
what else can they do? And I think the more
he's success, he is he is getting the crazier they
are becoming. I can't I can't know if I can
tolerate another big story on CBS about how the tariffs
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might lead to an increase in price is it hasn't.
But they go through this whole This is national time,
you know, prime time story about how they might You
could do the sensory saying they might not. Yeah, but
you know what I mean, it's like it's weak, they
got nothing.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
The reason it's getting worse with the derangement is number one,
they're losing. But number two is these horribly corrupt institutions
are five really being exposed. The big story in LA,
of course, is how U see LA Now Trump is
frozen over five hundred million dollars worth of funding. The
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excuse this is my opinion on the anti senitism, which
is real, oh real, But I think it's a way
of getting into this horribly inflated college support by the
If you looked at all the quote research being done
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in academia, I'm telling you you could cut it by
fifty percent and not miss abed. All right, it's so overinflated.
I've called it in many articles. There's another two turn Forard.
It's white man's welfare. That's what it is, all right.
There are too many academic scientists doing too much useless work,
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and it's only getting worse and worse and worse. The
idea of published or perish is so stupid because I mean,
I was involved in big time science. I went to
MIT many years ago, but it was you know, even then,
it was so esoteric that you didn't understand what was
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going on in the lamb next door to you. So
this is and none of it had any practical application, right.
In fact, they prided themselves that it had no practical application,
because when I was an undergrad, the only Nobel prizewinner
of UCLA was a guy who worked for Willard Libby,
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who did the practical thing of inventing carbon fourteen dating.
Okay Ne was vilified in the department because God forbid,
Bill Libby actually did something useful and got a lot
of money in grants. And that's just the whole nature
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of the academic science. I wish I could get my
son on to talk about how useless academic medic it is.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Oh yeah, it's preventive them everywhere you take a look
at the PhD programs. I mean, I did some research
on this because my daughter is a PhD student, and
you look at some of these PhD student and what
they're what there the major field is it is crackpot stuff.
It's just ridiculous. It's it's it's the whole thing has
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been so weakened and so dumb down. And even like
they all have like a headshot with their little blurb,
even the way they look, you know, they could they
at least bother combing their hair, maybe putting on a
good shirt.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
It's like it's so like, you know, ugly and so
slovenly and so I mean they're getting all this grant
to study what you know, like basket weaving. I mean,
how you know, the Incas did like you know, you know,
bead weaving and something. I mean, and they're getting a
PhD anyway, So the whole thing is rotten. It's become
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so inflated, and you know the whole idea of cutting it.
Of course, they're doing the same kind of like bait
and switch routine, which I don't think people are buying
here at Harvard. Oh, we're gonna have to cut and
they mentioned a program that everybody does value, you know,
they have probably about two percent of the money goes
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to it, you know, But they don't mention the fact
that the entire edifice is so heavy with these useless
administrators and bureaucrats who do nothing and who have not
contributed as sent to improving any And it's not just the.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Higher education where my wife used to work for Fairfax
County School District in Virginia, suburban DC. There's a big
scandal now that the superintendent who's paid over four hundred
thousand dollars a year, they're going to get her a
bodyguard for a hundred sixty one thousand. And there is
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so many levels of useless administration. And by the time,
just in the time that my wife retired from the
district right now, it used to be one of the
top school districts in the US, not anymore. It went
completely woke.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Beyond all these people are like leeching on that system.
And we learned this in Massachusetts. Even the Boston Globe
acknowledge that Elizabeth Warren, Pocahontas Warren, what was it, two
hundred grand a year from Harvard to teach one class
plus they threw in a house for free, and her
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husband also want to undergrand to get to him to
teach one class, and you know, they got all these perks. Meanwhile,
she's on doing a hustle on the side, you know,
representing companies who are trying to screw their employees, and
you know, you know, kind of an insider, a lawyer,
and it was even you know, it was so corrupt
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that even the Globe, you know, shook its head on that,
and and that she refused you know, she checks Native America,
and I mean, that's a whole different story, but just
it was an interesting little lifting of.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
The whole Harvard would have had the opportunity to say,
and what have I think been positive for them saying,
you know what, we were hood wing, We're sorry that
a spot that could have gone to a Native American didn't.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know something, even they were
squirming over this, and the Globe had a reporter and
actually did a legitimate piece of research in that because
of their rules, they refused to release her application documents
so they couldn't prove. But yet she's listed in the
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Professors of Color directory. She's listed you know, you know,
all of that and she really like made you know
that was she played that dime like crazy all those years.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Well, you know, she got exploded, like what was the
other things when Buffy Saint.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Marie, Yeah, not really Native American, she's Italian and she'd
go up on stage with beads and feathers, you know.
I mean, look, I mean there were questions about whether
Kamala Harris is really black. I mean in other words,
like you know, back in the day, obviously it's wrong
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that if you were black, you tried to hide it.
Like for example, Eisenhower apparently was black, but he you know,
he kind of you know, he didn't because back then
it was seen as a negative. Or certain actors like
Clark Gable I think is black, and Carol Channing, I mean,
they had black backgrounds, but they hit it because they
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because back then we had you know, the country was
racist and white supremacist back then, but now it's the opposite.
I mean, if you're not black, you you know, like
Kamala Harris, she's probably you know or like as her
face from the British the wife of the British royal guy,
you know, she's not you know, she clans to be black.
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The point is that's now become very fashionable, and and
so people like Elizabeth Waters, she's.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Doing real well, by the way, so that there's still
justice here, divine justice.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Divine justice. Hopefully we'll fall upon the heads of of
Adam Schiff and Komi and all these people. But you
don't think so. You don't think they're ever going to
be held up as you don't think that the wheels
of justice are going to catch up to them.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
We're going to turn very slowly. They're going to try
to get a sympathy factor. For some reason, there aren't
a lot of people like you and me who would
be very happy to you know, she these kind of
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punishments because a.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Lot of people would be very happy about it.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Well, I don't know. I mean, my impression is that
most people worship authority, So.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
There were so many people Aaron, he starts to fall
off the pedestal, it falls, and you know, I think
that once there's a crack.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
It falls. But to use the Fauci example, five let
him fall from grace. But there aren't that many people,
I mean, you and me accepted, who would be happy
seeing him perk walk and at eighty five years old
he put in jail. Okay, I would, because I know
what a scumbag the guy is. The problem is that
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most people don't.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
And I understand, we don't want to say. I mean, look,
I get that, you know, Yeah, as long as there's
some some kind of an accountability for his crime, I think.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
There will be accountability. But not in terms of throwing
the guy in the jail set.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Now, I don't know if Yeah, I agree, I mean
that might be too much for people. I mean, nobody
was it. I personally wouldn't mind either. But I get
the fact that people don't want to see Hillary in jail.
I mean, it would be beautiful to me to see
you know, the Clintons were classic examples of people who
always operated just one step ahead of the law. Yeah,
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and to see them.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
What her appeal was I could come up with, and
maybe some of the viewers are like this, The only
thing come up on her was it was a revenge
of the ugly girl thing. Okay, that's that's that's that's
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a good one. I mean, I I couldn't think of
anything else. And and maybe maybe it comes to that
that somehow, you know, she's this plain Jane Kite who
masqueraded is being smart. She's not smart. No filmed the
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DC bar, which is one of the easiest in the US,
number of times.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
And she was corrupt even back then. I mean, I
think that the Watergate Committee, didn't they head of that,
that the legal group Door I think his name was,
He fired her and they wouldn't let him because she
was actually wanting to put President Nixon in prison. I mean,
you know, wanted to have him you know, drawn and quoted.
It was too much even for them, and you know,
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just really like a XALIDI.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
You know, she was an ideolog she was a girl.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Her speech at Wellesley is still under wraps. You can't
get it, you know, it's been classified. She spent money,
but Obama did this too, you know, they spent money
making sure that nothing was everything was covered up. You know,
nobody has even any record that Obama even attended Columbia.
Nobody's seen him there, Nobody even you know, there's no
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one witness that he was ever there. Well, with Obama,
we don't even need to go too far, but I
think that it's quite clear that there's very little, if
anything about him that's real. It's completely manufactured. Even you know,
his marriage. I mean, who knows me?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
People so desperately wanted to have this fanciful black figure, right,
it was you know, for me, it was falling apart
from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
But it was always something very artificial about it and
something unreal. I mean I saw him once at the
New Hampshire primary and there was an aura about him
that that seemed, I don't know, almost fascistic. I mean
it was almost like this cult. Women were fainting and
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it was just there's some kind of like a you know,
psychological tampering going on around him. I can't really explain it,
but the actual person needs to read off of a
teleprompter to address a kindergarten, you know, right, I mean
it's not like, uh, you know, it's like he came
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out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
He was beginning to get his though, because remember that
he was not in favor of Kamala Harris being a candidate, right,
he was right, but the uh, the house slaves you
might say, of the Democratic Party for some reason wanted Harris.
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Obama was overruled. And then you remember it was only
at the very end where he came up with that
stupid speech. Wow, if you're black, you'll managed a PARTI
and Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Right society spelting black people basically.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
But but he his influence is now zero, and I
don't think he's very happy about that.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
He never had hotels anyways, He's.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Under a big cloud with a mysterious life, including the
death of that chef.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Yes found like in a shallow pool. You know, it
has a little echoes of like the Clinton body list.
Not to go into that, but you know these people,
I mean, look, when you get that kind of power,
you might you feel justified as supposed to take measures
to protect and that can mean getting rid of bad news,
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you know, getting rid of anything that might serve as
an obstacle. And also right now the Chelsea gab. But
I mean, I hope something comes to this. This is
another concern has declassified information that indicates that Obama personally
both immediately before the election and immediately after the election,
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and I think even I don't know after he left office,
but that he engineered the Trump hoax that Putin had
that had conspired with or as they say, colluded with
Trump to steal the twenty sixteen election, and that that
was put in place as a way to at least
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hamper the new elected administration, if not have them removed
from office.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
I don't think there's any doubt of that.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
But out in this direction, that's a coupdeta that he is.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
For many people, especially Democrats, some kind of golden boy.
As you said, it was all a fake image. But
people were more than willing to buy the fake image, right,
and you and I've been around for a while and
can spot this stuff. But if you're given the way
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the media coverage was like he was the second coming whatever.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Oh yeah, when he debated Alan.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Keyes when he was running for the Senate in Illinois,
he came across like a moron compared to what he's
was doing. But there was some manufactured charisma that this
guy had, and he did just enough of the semi
gay presentation to fool a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah, he was very kind of unthreatening, rather pleasant, slightly effeminate. Yeah,
I get it. Well, I mean, you know, now, as
you say, it's all kind of coming out. But and
I don't really care. I don't think I think it's
too big an ask to ever think that he's going to.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Be completely You're you're right, I mean exactly.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
It's like the late great Reverend doctor Martin Luther King Junior.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
Look good speech is starting to fall apart now.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Too, I agree. But the point is that, especially after
the assassination, he's been lionized to an idolized and deified
as a saint to such a degree that it's not
worth it.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
You have to move on.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
They got that one right. And I'm not saying, by
the way that he wasn't had many great qualities. You know,
he did, and he gave some incredible speeches, and it
even could be interpreted as being conservative and Christian if
you want to go that way, although I think he
was very cagey about who he was, like a lot
of these people. But nevertheless, it's that's you have to
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kind of pick your fights. That's been done. He's been
put the National Day, he's on the stand, he's in
the you know, statue in Washington. Fine, you move on.
But I don't know if Obomba is at quite at
that level. But you know, you kind of have to
pick your fights. I mean, they're talking about putting a
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statue of Biden at the front of the White House.
I mean whatever, I mean, it's you know, I think
that that one ain't gonna happen, but at least, you know,
we have to deal with what can be done. You know,
given this establishment and their worship, their idle worship of heroes,
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you know, it's a you know, it's just you have
to kind of deal with the realities of taking them
out piece by piece, or at least putting them back,
which is like what Senator McCarthy did. No one's ever
going to put a statue of him, but that's okay.
He did God's work. He identified evil, he showed up,
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he exposed to Speaking of McCarthy, do you know that
when McCarthy started to get into this, and by the way,
he was a liberal Republican. He wasn't a particularly right
wing guy either. He gave a speech, a famous speech
in Wheeling, West Virginia, where he said, there I have
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fifty two people in the state Department who are direct
members of the Communist Party, are carrying Communists who are
working for Stalin. You can't get that list. And the
reason you can't get that list, and it was published
(54:41):
in newspapers and it was in libraries, is because some
person or some group or some coordinated function were able
to destroy it completely. You cannot get it. It doesn't
exist anywhere. It has been completely totally censored. So we'll
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never know who was on that list.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
That's what they do.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
They will change and alter history.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Well solid was invented.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
Oh yeah, Well, I mean it's always happened. And when
whoever's in power writes the history books, you know, that's
that's what happens. And the people.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
You know, somebody said talking about history. He said, isn't
it amazing that every word history, the good guys have
always won.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
That's funny because yeah, they they they get to tell
the story.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
But I mean, look, i mean just briefly because we're
kind of reaching toward the end here. But and I'm
putting the finishing touches on my book on social theory.
But in history, but in my study of American the
American Revolution at Arizona State, I discovered that it was
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taken over by the left when in the nineteen thirties
a historian by the name of Charles Austin Beard came
up with a theory in which he claimed that the
founding fathers were not actually believers in any of the
ideals that they wrote about and discussed things like liberty, independence, freedom, republicanism,
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any of that. That was all propaganda because what they
wanted to do was replaced the British monarchy and aristocracy
with themselves and that they would be the ones to
make and they did it for money. They wanted monopoly
on merchandise. You know, the merchant meant they take our
neo mercantile system.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
Well, I explained that none of them really ended up.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
No, obviously that's not true anyways, because the Finding Fathers
were a mixed group of people. You had aristocrats like Jefferson,
but also John Adams. He came from a humble background.
He had a small farm. He wasn't rich.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
Riched everything. He was a rich guy.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
No, I mean, it's obviously false. But the problem But
the thing is that this kind of theory became dominant
in the American historical establishment, which was completely co opted
by the left starting in the nineteen thirties when they
got rid of Harry Alma Barnes, who had written a
book called Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace after World War
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One and who was banned. He was at the time
of one of America's most respected historians and smeared as
an anti Sumite, which was not true, and that anybody
else who didn't play ball were erased, and that the
Charles Austin Beard point of view would predominate. As I
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found out in my class on the American Revolution, all
the historians are Beardzians. Everything is you know, this is
it's the it's a communist dialectic. In other words, that
and that the the average people, the average patriot, was
fooled with propaganda that was put out by greedy owners.
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That is their version of the American Revolution. In other words,
nothing really happened.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
They say, to prove it, I mean, you could anything.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
They say, nothing to prove it. It's a theory and
it's just and it's astonishing. They'll just go out. I've
seen some of these historians. They'll blurt out these assertions
out of thin air, and they just sit there. They
don't even feel the need to prove anything at all.
It's just, you know, it's or they'll come up with
some flimsy thing. I mean, this guy, Woody Woody, what's
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his last name, not Horton or maybe it was Horton.
He he wrote a history book which is very influential,
which we read where he says that the British were
planning on freeing all the slaves in Virginia, which was
why the Virginia establishment in Jefferson and Washington had to
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kick them out, because they didn't want to free the slays.
There's no proof to that. He points out this thing
called the dun Meyer Letter, which he says General Governor Dunmyer,
the last British governor of Virginia, wrote this proclamation freeing
the slaves. Yeah, apparently technically he did. But what he
doesn't tell you is that he wrote it while he
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was on the ship going home after being kicked out
of Virginia. You know, it's like really, it's like and
nobody had ever heard of it. It was like this
obscure thing.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
So that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
I mean, they make this stuff up. And yeah, the
whole sixty nine, the whole sixteen nineteen project was you
take a look at the masthead of that. It's it's poets, musicians,
fiction writers. There are very few actual historians involved.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Their usual suspects.
Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Yeah, and and they come up with this cockamamie thing. Anyway,
that the point is that they are the ones who
hold the high ground of the culture.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
They probably what's happening too is that I'll leave you
with this, still appreciate it. Opening at the famous Pantagious
Theater in Hollywood, which now does a lot of live theater.
Is a reissue, if you like, of some like it Hot,
(01:00:39):
the famous movie and you remember that is a bass
player dresses up as a character called Daphne and acts
as a woman for a large part of the movie.
What they did in the playing version is that you
like speaking a woman so much? He transitions, Sure, well, no.
Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
That's that's yeah, that you have to put that in now,
something like that, Like that movie The Concave. I don't
know if you're sorry, I'm not going to give it away,
but you know, it was a fairly good movie about
the intrigue of picking a new pope, but they had
to throw that in as the main I probably should.
I don't want to give up give away a story,
(01:01:25):
but you know, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Won't give away the ending.
Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
But it was sort of such a disappointment because it was,
you know, it showed someone that that you had to
see his intrigue and so and then it ends with
his nonsense and you're thinking, really, I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
It didn't even come across as as anything genuine. It
just looked to me they wanted to get an Academy award,
which they did. They wanted to get publicity. They want
to make a few bucks, and that's what you have
to do. You have to play that game in order
to appease the you know, the people in Hollywood. But
(01:02:02):
the problem is that the American people aren't resonating with
that anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I mean, right's losing tons of money.
Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Yeah, I mean Josh Shapiro, he wants to run for president,
he wants to be the first Jewish president. So what
does he do? I saw him on I think with
Bill Maher fairly nice conservative guy. Basically, you know that
a lot of these things work. But of course the
difference between me and Trump is that I support our
law enforcement, unlike Trump because during the so called quote
(01:02:34):
unquote insurrection, police were all killed and Trump did nothing
but pardon those people, which is a complete lie, of course,
but he had to say that because that's what the
Democratic Party and the establishment left.
Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Why is Josh Shapiro still a Democrat? He gets screwed.
He would have been a much better candidate than Kabyla
Harris oh All is wrong with the guy, but he's
reinvent himself as a Republican.
Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
That would be that would be smart. But he's cast
his lot in that group. And so he plays ball
and and and promotes these shibboleths because that's how you
still get ahead. But the thing that they're forgetting and
missing is that that no longer resonates with me.
Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
It doesn't work. They're using the old.
Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
People don't believe that bs anymore obviously, So it's and
and they're they're basically their core following is shrinking. And
I think that we're going to see more of that, hopefully,
God willing. Anyways, So Mike uh As I said, I'll
be off next week, but hopefully I'll be up in
(01:03:46):
two weeks when I'm in Berkeley, California.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
That would be great doing a live feed from.
Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
That'll be fun. All right, all right, soon, God bless
the thanks, all right, bye bye,
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