June 2, 2025 • 55 mins
Zen is the founder of Fear Free Human, a groundbreaking movement dedicated to helping people release fear, live with clarity, and find lasting inner peace. As a breast cancer survivor and successful entrepreneur, Zen brings both depth and compassion to her mission of helping others.
During the interview, Zen explains how she decoded the Internal Guidance System® to help individuals distinguish between mental fear and physical fear. She shares how releasing untrue thoughts opens us to our truth and ultimately, a life of peace, purpose, and satisfaction. With over 40,000 people helped since 1993, her work continues to impact people across the globe.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, everyone, this is Betsy Werzel. You're a host of
Chatting with Betsy. I'm pastor will Talk Radio Network, a
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Folks.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I am so excited every time I do a show,
especially when guests come back, especially when they remember me
and they come back and with me. Today is then
Crier deep Brook, who I interviewed back in May May
eighteenth of twenty twenty two, and I was thrilled when
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Zen's PR person reach out to me to interview Zen again.
So I'm gonna give you a little background about Zen.
Then Crior deep Brook is an entrepreneur and business executive.
She is of Fear Free Human and wait until she
talks about that, because that is just phenomenal. She's a
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keynote speaker, a personal coach, and inspirational teacher. When I
interviewed Then back three years ago, I interviewed her about
her book. She's the author and writer of Your ENERGYPS
Follow your Internal Guidance to optimal health, happiness and Satisfaction.
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And I am so pleased to have his Zen prior
de Brook back with me.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Welcome Zen, Hi, that's see, I'm so glad to be here.
Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Hell, you're welcome and my pleasure. I was so thrilled
when Devin reached out to me and I was.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Like, oh wow, I have to look.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Up when I interviewed Zen and realized, well, it was
May eighteenth, twenty twenty two. And you know, if we're
discussing before we recording, folks, how fast life goes how
fast time goes by, especially as you get older. And
I know three years it was like yesterday, yeah, yes,
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And you know I interview interviewed you about your book
and at that time you have a Soul at Academy
and now you have Fear Free Human. Tell us about that,
because I watched your video on your website and the
website will be in the blog of and and that's
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so interesting then your Fear Free Human website, because you
know what, a lot of humans, especially now are living
in fear and struggling. There's a lot of fear now
in the atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So I'm glad you have this.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I agree, well, thank you. Yeah, I like to I
talk about the difference between mental fear and physical fear. Right, So,
physical fear is like tiger fear, being afraid of sharks, fighters,
you know, you get into almost get into a car
accident on the freeway, and your body's like, you know,
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it gets kind of you know, that physical sensation of fear.
And then there's mental fear. And mental fear is worrying
about the taxes that are coming due, or your health,
having to put mom in a memory care unit, you know,
one of your children going awry, these kinds of things
where your mind is consistently worrying or anxious about things
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happening that are going to be bad and unpleasant and
hurt you. And the difference between the two is with
physical fear, a danger can come into your experience, into
your space, you know, and then as soon as the
danger's gone, your body, you know, comes back to normal.
But with mental fear, it's different because our mental fears
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they get put into us between the ages of zero
and seven when we're watching how the people around us
react to the world and we're trying to figure out
how to be loved and be safe, and what happens
is is these mental fears your mind is going out
and constantly looking at how to be loved and to
keep you safe, and it creates this addictive thinking pattern
of anxiety and worry that in any moment something could
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go wrong, And we all have it to different levels,
but it doesn't ever go away. And my goal with
Fear Free Human is to eliminate mental fear on the planet.
And I've figured out a way to do that. And
that's why I came to talk to you today, is
to share the solution that I have that would allow
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all of us as human beings to stop the addictive
thinking that's keeping us miserable and afraid.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, that is so true.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Then I could tell in my own life that I,
you know, sometimes fear. Okay, who's going to take care
of the Look at the Joshua, I'm gone. What happens
if I end up in a nursing home? What happens
if something happens to me? I don't dwell on it
every day, but I think about every time I go
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into a car, because he's people in New Jersey tried
by gloonies. That's crazy. Yes, I get my car and
I pray that I'd come back home safe. And you
know it is a fear and it can really you know,
you think about it and it could escalate and well,
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you brought out a very good point. Like older parents,
if you have to place them.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Exactly, go ahead. These are yeah, okay, every day, all
day long.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Feeling it and what what Let's let's look and see
what anxiety really feels like, what fear really feels like.
It shows up as a lump in the throat or
a tight feeling in our chest area that's constriction, or
a sick feeling kind of in the solar plex the
upper stomach area where you just feel like you got
a rock and there's this miserable feeling. This is the
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sensation that I equate to when you're in mental fear,
the internal guidance system, which is what I've got an
opportunity to decode in my lifetime. It's a physical sensation
system in the body, and it creates this tight feeling
in these three areas the throat, the chest, and the
stomach upper stomach area whenever you're in mental fear. And
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here's the good news, Betsy, when you're in mental fear,
that tight sensation is letting you know that what you're
thinking is not true or not going to happen, and
I've divided. I have developed a series of practices that
let you know when you're in fear and then change
the way you're thinking about it to where the center
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of your body releases, and then you're actually reprogramming your
mind away from mental fear by using the practices that
I created. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
That's yeah, that sounds exciting.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I remember that from the last time, and and I have,
you know, used that I remembered.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I can't remember what I did yesterday, did.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You know? At Sometimes well, you know, sometimes I think
to myself and that's my dumb, bizarre or like I'll say, well,
did this person.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Really care about me? They didn't care?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I would say, okay, they didn't care about me, and
I would feel tight like okay, they did care about me?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Did they care about me? And it would loosen enough,
Oh they did, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
And really I listened to your video today to remember
and when you talked about you know, if you didn't
receive the email or text and stuff one, you would
go into thinking pattern like what did you do?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
How can then I'm answering you and I do the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I have a laugh because I think the same thing.
Oh they didn't answer me, they don't like me. Maybe
I said something long, maybe I didn't word something right.
It's like, well, you know, so I think. Then people
think they're the only ones who feel that way, and
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they're not, which is one reason.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Why I do the show, to let people know.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
They're not alone and how they think it's sort of universal.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Everybody, and it's all. Here's the thing is, it is universal.
Everybody has their own moments where they're tight and they're
anxious and in anxiety, some people more than others, and
and it's always about different things. It's all each All
of our anxiety is unique to each of us, even
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if we have a few erful moment, let's say nine
to eleven. We'll go back to nine to eleven way
dates us. But in that moment, everybody responded to a
different fear about that situation that happened to us in
the United States, right, And if you talk to different people,
some people were afraid of terrorism, other people were afraid
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this is going to happen somewhere else. Some you know,
some people felt it was the government, depending on what
your thought was, And so all across the board. We
all responded to it differently, and the one thing that
we have in common is this internal guidance system, which
I call IGS Internal guidance system IGS for short. We
all have an IGS that will let us know in
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the moment with it whether or not what we're actually
thinking is true and in alignment with harmony and success
in our lives, or whether the thoughts are not true
and in disharmony taking us away. And what I love
about what you just said. That's is how you were
using it to discover whether or not you Your mind
immediately goes, this person doesn't care about me, they don't
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love me. And then you noticed you tightened, which means
what you're thinking is not true, not going to happen,
and you questioned the thought. And when you question that thought,
it's like, oh, I tightened, That means they do care
about me. The body releases when it's true. It's kind
of the opposite of what people think. A lot of
people think. If we get a sick gut feeling, you know,
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feeling like if he feeling inside about a person or
a situation, a lot of people think that that means
that that situation's true, that it's actually going to happen.
But what I've discovered in working with forty thousand people
plus now there's more than that now, is that it's
when your body releases that the actual thought is true.
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And you did it perfectly. That's exactly how you use
your IGS.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And I found it very useful. Is this situation right
for me? You know?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And I like how on your website, and I encourage everyone,
you know, go on a website you talk about it's
not intuition. It's different because people might get that confused.
I did it first because sometimes I just got feeling
that something is going to happen, and it does.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
But this is different. This is really you relying on
what you said, your inner guidance system.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And I love that because, you know, I think being human,
we jump to conclusions, especially if you grew up and
an abusive toxic environment home environment, You'll think, yeah, oh,
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this person doesn't like me. What did I do wrong?
Why are they not responding? Are they giving me silent treatment?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
These are the things that go through my mind. Anyway,
My parents didn't give me. It's just thought with treatment.
But I know people who have.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, I agree with you. So the thing is is
that it's first of all, each of us has different
levels of different things in our lives that create this
closing response. When you tighten inside, I call it a closing,
and when you release, it's an opening. It's expanded feelings.
And this is happening all day long in our lives,
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and it's not intuition. I have an intuitive gift. I'm
Claire Cognizant. I used to do in intuitive work years ago,
very accurate, and what I can say is is that
all anybody who gets intuitive information, it doesn't come in
the same way for every single person. It's kind of
different for each person. So, for instance, if you have
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somebody who's an impact, an impact is somebody who feels
emotions that are not their own, so they can walk
into a room and instantly feel the emotions that are
happening in the room. Another and they could feel it
physically in their body as if they're experiencing it. Another
impact could walk into the room and then they would
feel the energy and the emotions outside of themselves in
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the room. And some people, some impacts have pictures. All
intuitive gifts are different, they're unique to each person. Everybody
has experienced with it. Differently what I've found, and it
just drops in. It's not something you can count on.
It just happens willy nilly as you're moving through the world.
What I've found with the internal guidance system is I've
decoded it. I started in nineteen ninety three and I've
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spent I can't even believe how long that is now
I'm not even going to do math in public. I
think it's thirty years over thirty two years. But I've
spent thirty two years doing this, twenty seven I know,
oh my gosh, twenty seven actually teaching. And in all
the people that I've taught how to do this, it
works the same way in everyone, no matter what culture
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they're in, how old they are, whether it's a kid
or an older person, whether it's Japanese, whether it's from Europe,
from anywhere in the United States, Mexico, South America, everybody
has an internal guidance system and it expands and contracts
the same way. And it's only in relationship to what
you're thinking. It's only to our own personal thoughts. So
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when you feel that tight feeling that makes you feel bad, sick, upset, angry, frustrated, irritated, overwhelmed,
whether you feel guilty, it's in relationship to the thoughts
you're having. It's not in relationship to what's happening in
the world around you. And why this is so important
is that when you feel that type feeling, it's a
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signal to stop in the moment and check your thinking
because it's not going to create what you want. When
I first discovered this, I was young, and I had
come through a very and abusive background, and I left
my house thinking that if I just left my toxic
family behind, I could be successful because all their toxicity
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would stay with them. Well, guess what, that's not what
happened the truth and I right, you know, and I
carried my mom's rage, and I carried the anger and
the problems that my family were in They were in
me now. And so I went out and I was
trying to figure out how to make my way in
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the world at nineteen twenty years old, and I kept
blowing up my life. I kept self sabotaging, you know.
I remember one day my boss at a restaurant I
was a dishwasher, came in to give me some critique
and I got so upset and angry at him telling
me I was doing something wrong that I snapped and
he was like, that's it, You're done out, And I
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was like fine, and I go leaving thinking that he's
going to chase me down the street to try and
beg me to come back to my dishwashing job. Right all,
show him my stress defense is to take my toys
and go home. And as I went through my life
for this few years, I realized that I was blowing
my life up when I couldn't do it differently than
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I witnessed my parents how they were doing this. And
finally a friend of mine gave me a cassette tape
from Abraham Hicks. You know Abraham right yep Ester or Hicks.
It gave me a cassette tape about the law of attraction.
This is back in nineteen ninety three, well before she
had any you know, following at all, and people are
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just sitting in the living room asking Abraham questions. And
one person asked, how do you have the most successful
life that you could possibly have? And she said, when
you're in alignment with your highest purpose in what's going
to be the most amazing thing for you in your life,
you'll feel a light expanded and feeling in your body.
You'll feel an openness, and when you're moving away, you'll
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feel a tightness, only in relationship to what you're thinking.
When you're tight, their thoughts are carrying you away from
what's successful, and when you're open, your thoughts are carrying
you towards what success. And I've grabbed off of that
as a young person, knowing that every time I blew
up my life, I felt the tightness. And I've spent
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my life it's been my life's work since then figuring
out how it works and completely changing my life. And
it's way bigger and more amazing than we ever could
have imagined. Betsy, It's incredible this tool. It reprograms the
neuropathways of your mind as you're living your life.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Then think about and I want the audience to think
about this, Think of everybody did this instead of you
know we saw it makes you upset instead of just
snapping to go into your inner guidance system and question,
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you know what's going on. I think they've been more
peace than the world and coming from a toxic background myself,
as you said, you know what we think we're leaving
it behind, but it travels with us until we learned
to learn tools to address that. And we tend to
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sometimes follow the same patterns as our parents, and we
tend to attract relationships that mimic what we had with
our parents. So this tool is just incredible. Can it's
just sitting here thinking about it, and even when I
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watched your video thinking what if everyone in the world
did this, and if we tought our children to do
this when they're young.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yes, right, you imagine.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You know, we'd have a lot more peace.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yes, yes, because even though you're carrying the piece within us.
I think the most important part for me is that
when you use this each time, you have a tight
feeling anytime, and I'm going to list for your listeners
what that type feeling. Because we didn't understand that it
was guidance coming from an inside of us about our thinking.
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We started naming the feelings that we have and we've
called them anxiety, fear, overwhelmed, frustration, irritation, procrastination. Think about
something you're procrastinating on. You'll notice that there's a tightness
that means that what you're thinking about when it needs
to be done or how it needs to be done
is not true. It's not the right time for it.
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That's why you're not getting to it. Impatience, defensiveness, guilt,
and so much more. These are just a few of
the things that cause us tightenness. And when we're in
the tightness, the closing is what we call it. That
means what we're thinking about the thing is not true.
It's not true that you're not getting it done right
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on time. It's not true that you're the person who's
irritating you, is doing it to you on purpose. It's
not true when you're frustrated that the situation won't change.
It's not true. When you're feeling guilty that you've done
something wrong and you're bad. It's not true. And when
you learn how to understand, I call them divine prompts,
kind of like you know, artificial intelligence. You have AI
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and prompt for it. Well, what I've developed is divine prompts.
When you're closed down and you're tight it means to
I call it dip divine and it's called a divine
intelligence prompt. You dip into what you're thinking, You figure
out what it is your thoughts are that are not true,
and then there's a question you can ask yourself to
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get yourself out of it. And as you ask the question,
when you get both to the one that's going to
create the most success. And that's true for you, like
you did when you said this person doesn't care for
me and you realize you felt tight and then he
said they do care for me, and you're released. You
naturally did a divine prompt. You automatically did. And there's
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there's there's many different prompts that I've developed, and if
you know the prompts, then you simply ask the question
and you work through it, and then the body releases
and you're back on track. You're back in peace. You're
back knowing exactly what you need to do, how you
need to do it, and when you need to do
it in your life. And what it does is it
does create peace. It creates a sense of confidence, a
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sense of centeredness, a sense of self.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And it would be I love that, and I love that.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Then I had to say about guilt, and I'm gonna
be I want you all who are caregivers to listen
to this, because caregivers feel guilty about things they shouldn't
feel guilty about. I know because I was a caregiver
and I'd carry guilt with me for a long time.
You're inner guidance system would help caregivers not to feel guilty,
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they questioned, because I said I wouldn't feel guilty if
their mad died, and I did, and I had to
learn to let it go.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
But that's before I knew about the IGS. I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I didn't know then back then in twenty twenty, and
if I knew this, if I had this tool, I
would have stayed myself a year of grief. Yeah, so well,
this is really important, go ahead and think it is.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I went through grief with my mom. My mom died
when I was really young. I was twenty three. And
the thing was this is that when I was grieving
because it was I needed herself. Twenty three sound so
old when you're twenty three, but when you're fifty four,
I realized that you were just a baby and I
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still needed her. And I remember she died suddenly. It
wasn't something that was planned for. And after the funeral
was over and everything had calmed down, the grief set
in the realization the first person in my life that
really had passed that my body could feel was missing,
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and my boyfriend would get up and go to work
in the morning and I had taken some time off,
and I would collapse. I literally remember collapsing in the
middle of the living room floor and I started wailing
like an animal. I didn't know I could make the
sounds I made. I was in so much pain, And
as I was laying there, I already discovered the igs.
And I was laying there, and as my thoughts would
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go towards how beautiful she was and what she gave me,
and how much we'd healed over the years, because we
had a lot of pain when we were when I
was little, and how I was going to miss her,
I felt this opening rush of energy through my body
that was cathartic and beautiful. And then anytime my thinking
would move towards what about me, Who's going to be
there for me when I'm older? I'm not going to
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have anyone to take care of me, what about when
I have kids? Like all the pity thoughts, I'd feel
this constriction in my body, this tightness, the sick feeling,
and I realized that my emotions were different from my
internal guidance system, and that I could have good get
through trauma by focusing on the opening thoughts that was
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could started in this releasing pain and creating health in
my life. And when I focused on the type thinking
that that caused the constriction of my body, I felt
sicker and more unhealthy and as if I was like stuck.
And that's when I realized that our emotions are not
our internal guidance system. It's not about feeling good. You
can feel good and still be close. There's plenty of
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women out there who dated the wrong person and keeps
kind of going back to them, or men then do
it too, and they know it's the wrong person, but
there's like a connection and as they you know, they
feel they're to talk to them, but they're also closed inside, right,
and so the excitement, happiness, the closing is still there
because the internal guidance system is giving you signals regardless
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of your emotions, and so it's very powerful. Like you said,
because let me give you an example, guilt is always closing.
I don't care what you're guilty about, it doesn't matter.
It's always closing. It means that no matter what you're
guilty about, it's not true. You're not a bad person.
You're not supposed to be doing something different. Whether it
be exercise, what you're feeding your kids, how much you're
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calling mom, does not matter. It's always closing, and it
means it's not true and you shouldn't be focused on it.
Remorse is always opening, Betsy. Remorse. Notice how you never
take action on guilt. It just sits there and tortures
you mentally. But when you feel real remorse about something,
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you feel the need to make amends. That's where the
I'm sorry come from. That's where the I'm going to
do it differently next time comes to from. That's where
that I shouldn't have done that, so I apologize right.
Remorse is opening and we know we need to take
action and make it different. And that's really the crux
of how the IGS makes it our lives very different.
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Is it takes training. It takes usually takes people between
three to six months to master it where they can
live and understand it with all situations in their lives.
And once you understand it, it makes it easy to
make financial decisions. It makes it easy to understand what
to do in a relationship. You clear out all the closings,
the thoughts that aren't true for you, so that you
just become lighter and happier and happier and more connected
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and more confident that you're running your life in the
way that it should be run.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That's incredible. You know.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I'm sitting here in New Jerseys and listening to you,
and I just got some filled with Dudgeons inspiration, you know,
talking to you.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
How throwing and easy is it?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
You know, just to go on your website and do
we even have a mailing list which I have to
fill out.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I want to get you a little mini pods that
you'll offer.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
And that you know, I just I learned from all
my guests, and I really believe that whoever I interview
I was meant to I was meant to learn something
from this guest. And just learning more again from news
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end with your uh inner gs.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
It's just incredible. How do people.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Join where I get your services?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
And how does that? How does that work?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Absolutely? Yeah. So if you go to any fear Freehuman
dot Com Forward flash Start fear Freehuman dot Com Forward
flash Start, what you'll get is you'll get put into
our community and there is a fourteen day quick start
program and so I teach you remember the old movie The
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Karate Kids. Yes, okay, mister Miyagi who did wax on,
He talked Danielson wax on and wax off, the little
tiny karate moves that eventually turned into him knowing karate.
I teach by what I call them, you know, Yeah,
I teach finding the yagi approach. Because the thing is
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is we're working with our thoughts of our minds. And
I don't know about you, but my mind is pretty
crazy sometimes and in hijacksy it oh your fourth thing
with your asthma, it hijacks me. It runs around in
circles at three o'clock in the morning, It tells me
lies people in my life. It drives me crazy. And
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so what I do is, instead of like working with
your mind, I get you doing little practices using your
internal guidance system, tiny little things and you can physically
feel it, and you use it making decisions and moving
through your life. And in this fourteen days, every day
you get a tiny little practice, a little wax on
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and a little wax off move. And it's free. Now,
if you want coaching, then you can buy coaching. We
have a monthly coaching fee that's cheap. It's totally affordable,
and you can get on a phone call with me
once a week and I help you work out with
a group coaching session. I help you work out any
places that you're stuck. But if you go to Fearfreehuman
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dot com, Forge slash Start and you sign up, you
can get the first practice right away.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
That sounds oh wonderful. As a matter of fact, my
son and I going to go see the new Karate
Kid the Yeah, there's a new one with that guy,
the actor Ralph.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
My shadow or some not yea like that. Yeah, yeah,
so I that yeah he did it.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Not that I'm I'm promoting the movie, but it is
coming out I think this month. Yeah, I think at
the end of this month. So that's what made me
think about that, because there were you know, you see
it come to tractions of them with the hands, so uh,
it's so important, you know. I couldn't I cough when
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I when I laughed, but I had to laugh because
sometimes my own thoughts, I'm like you then or racing,
you know, And I could get anxiety about little things.
And I noticed that since caregiving, that I don't handle
anxiety is as well. Something goes wrong, like my dryer
(31:02):
went on me again, and I got so anxious. I
shake the fourteenth from anxiety.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Do the fourteen days? Do the fourteen days? So what
the fourth day days are? You'll do that. You'll love them.
So they they walk you through the very beginning of
feeling it. There's three little videos a day. It's a
pretty robust course for being free. So you have the
first you have three videos. The first one is a
little practice, it's a short video with practice. Then then
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the second video is the challenges, the things that people
find kind of hard. Sometimes not everybody, just some people
challenges and the solution. And then the third video is
a short video about like what this is like. It's
not positive or negative thinking. People think, oh, well, of course,
if I have a good thought, it's going to make
me feel good, and if I have a bad thought,
it's going to make me feel bad. That's not how
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it works. When I three years four years ago, I
had cancer and I was in the show hour doing
my breast exam and I felt a lump and I
realized I thought, immediately, this slump is different. That's exactly
what I thought. I was like, ooh, this feels different,
this lump is different because i'd had fibroids before. You know,
women get fibrids. They're just little things, right, bickness in
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the breast, you know, we all get them. Then they're like, say, oh,
we got to check it out, and we check it
out and it's nothing. This didn't feel like that. And
they also say, when you feel it, it'll feel different.
You know, it won't feel like a normal lump. So
I felt it and I opened, which means what I
was thinking that it was different, that it was cancer
was true because I thought this one's cancer and it
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was true and it was. And so from there I
got an opening to get to the doctor and immediately
what happens. And this is why this takes training. It's
because no matter what thought you put into your you know,
whatever comes in from the outside world and what you're
thinking about, your mind's going to have a reaction to it.
So when I felt the lump, my first reaction was
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I'm going to die. Oh my god, I'm going to
my kids closed. Oh I'm not going to die. And
this is how it works. This is literally when you're trained.
This is what trauma feels like. This is what difficult
times feel like. I'm going to die. I'm going to
leave my kid closed. Oh I'm not going to die.
Opens back up. Oh I'm not going to die. Okay,
well this is cancer open? Still open? Am I going
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to have to do radiation and lose my hair? Closed?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Demo? Closed?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Am I going to have to? And then I thought
I'm going to need a double misseectomy? I opened. So
I went through in the first five minutes of feeling this,
knowing what my trajectory was. I am four years past
my double misseectomy. My cancer journey was about three and
a half months long total. I didn't need radiation, I
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didn't need chemo. Now I'm not saying that's for everybody.
I used my internal guidance system to determine what was needed.
That's what training does. And now I have a one
percent chance of recurrence. I'm at my four year mark
and they've pushed out my doctor's appointments to every other
year and they don't expect it to come back.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Oh that's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And I'm sure they gave you peace, you know, when
you're with the opening, you know, questioning. You know, of course,
whenever we fall alump, we think, oh my goodness, is
this cancer, and and am I going to die?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Right? And who's going to take care of my family?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
That is uh, what a great way to use the
I g AT Yes, I g S.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I think it would give people.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Peace of mind, and it's a harmony and and you know,
I feel that in the times we're living in there's
so much hate out there and fear that I feel
like we need to bring back our.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Humanity for each other. And I believe this is my opinion, folks.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I believe that the IGS can help bring people back
to humanity and caring and loving each other despite differences.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I have seen miracles in marriages where people whether they're
not getting along, they feel completely disconnected. Families are having
strife over politics and religion and various things, and by
following the opening, they get back into alignment and they're
so happy. They realize, first of all, they're not that
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our heart in the core values of who they are.
They just have a difference in the way they feel
like it needs to be handled in the world to
accomplish things. And even then when you bring this into
like a company. I work with corporations, and you've got
people that are trying to accomplish a mission, and there's
all kinds of different ways to do it, and they
all figure out what opens them and how to do it.
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And when they're closed, they're like, Okay, I'm closed, so
I know what I'm thinking isn't true, but I can't
figure it out. You guys help me. Here's what I'm
thinking about our situation. And they're like, and it's closed,
but what could help me figure out how to find
an opening? And we start talking like that. It takes
it away from being in us against them kind of experience,
and it turns us into how do we get back
on track? How do we get back into alignment where
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we understand where each other's at and we know how
to participate together again, even if we're different, we can
still participate together. And that's the big thing that this
does for us. And that's why I believe that I
started the Fear Free Human Movement because at the core
of all of the closing is always fear. Like one
of the divine prompts the dips I call them divine prompts,
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is when you're irritated with someone, it comes down to
it's always with a person, and your mind believes that
that person cannot or will not change. Like it's a hardcore.
They're always going to be this way, and I'm always
going to be miserable, and they're never going to pick
up their socks or they're never going to stop whatever
(37:13):
it is right, and you look for, Okay, I'm irritated
with this person, and you look for what is it
that I think can't or won't change, and then the
prompt goes from there. There's some a couple levels to
it that you can work through, and when you find
the one that opens you, then you're now you can
have a conversation about how the shape this can change.
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And the cool thing is is what I've found is
opening begets opening. So when you find that somebody, when
you find an opening for yourself, it will work for
the other person too. I haven't been a zero sum
game where one person wins and one person loses. What
I have found over the years is that when you
find an opening and you bring it to the person
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and to discuss, it works for them too. Now, there
may be a little negotiation that needs to happen because
we don't know what other people thinking you're feeling, but overall,
the opening works for everyone involved. Which is amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
That is cool.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I'm glad you mentioned you talk about in teaching this
and cooperations, because I was Scott was going to ask you,
do you go to companies? I think yes, every company
can benefit from learning from us in and the IGS.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I really do. I think people would get along it
work better, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
They get along better they are able to. It also
increases the bottom line of the person of the company
because you have less people that are feeling less productive.
They know how to deal with procrastination. Have you ever
worked in a corporate environment, Metsie.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Not a corporate work the nursing pool in retail, so
not so much like in a corporate office.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Well, let's just take nursing, you know how good as
an example. Something new will come down the pike, a
new way to do things that they want you to
change it, and everybody hates change. Nobody wants me to change,
even if it's for the better. It's like, I'd like
the way I was doing it. Leave me alone. I
have a system, right, So something comes down the pike
and they need you to change something, and half the
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people are like, okay, whatever, not a problem because they
don't have any egal big issue to change. And then
there's people like me who have who hates change, and
I'm like, I'm not going to do it. I'm not
going to do it your way. I get this closing right,
This is you're not gonna tell me what to do.
You're not the box with me. And this happens in
every company. Well, if you have an environment where it's like, well,
what is it just upsetting you about this change? Half
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of it could just be I just don't like change.
I'll get over myself. But the other have could be
is like, what you don't know is this won't work
because what I know that you don't know is And
in nursing you have that all the time. They would
tell you to do something and you would know that
it's not going to work out because of X, Y
and Z. But they're not listening to you. They don't
(40:12):
they don't understand the value of how much you have
to offer, you know what I'm saying. So they missed
this whole opportunity to learn something a better way to
make this work out for everybody and include the nurses
in it. Right, And so that's what I do when
I go into corporation we harvest the intuition and the
genius of the teams that they're in, and we use
(40:33):
the IGS for everybody to feel safe to communicate, and
then we bring them into a place where we find
a solution that works for everybody and then everybody's on board.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
That would just change, Yeah, that would just I think
that would just change nurses And you know business environment.
My pastor former past he used to say everything rises and.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Folds on leadership. So if management.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Would use the IGS and then carry it down, what
a workplace environment that would be. And I'll tali you,
nursing could definitely use it because nurses will eat their young.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
They It's true.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
It's so ironic that you know people in the nursing
profession they help others, but they're terrible to their co workers.
I used to say, they're worse than a mafia.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
It's true. It's a job though, it really is.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yes, yes, it definitely it is.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
I just love your your concept then, and how can people.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Reach out to you? Do they go on your website?
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
If they want to join.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Your group, yeah, go to fearfreehuman dot com. That's our website.
And if you put forward slash start then we get
you into the free fourteen day program. You get to
keep that for life. You're in the community, and you
get to be a part of a discussion group there.
I don't do coaching or answer questions and the discussion
group because it's just too much to do, but so
(42:28):
that gets you started. And then we have a YouTube
channel that I highly recommend. It's fear Free Human, and
I do coaching on the YouTube channel and I release
small vignettes on education and how to use this and
how to different ways and different opportunities there. And then
you can always reach me at z at Fearfreehuman dot
(42:49):
z as in then my name, the a's my personal
email v at fearfreehuman dot com. I try to get
back to everybody, even if it's just a high because
it can be a lot, but that's the best way
to reach me.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yes, I was going to bring up your YouTube channel.
I'm gonna have to start watching that. I meant to
watch a video and the day escapes me.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
But definitely have to watch.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
If you subscribe, and I know everybody wants to subscribe,
but if you subscribe, then you'll get notification. I do
really coaching with people on that channel and you can
comment and ask questions. If you're a member of the community,
you're a paid member of the community, then you get
to be a part of those live coaching that happen
on YouTube and people that But but you don't have
(43:43):
to be a member of the community to post questions.
And I choose particular comments and questions from the audience
on YouTube when I do my live It's really fun.
It's a really fun way to engage.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
That is that is really good to know I had
this philosophy. Then the more people can do to improve themselves,
I think the more.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Peace they have, the happier they are.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
And it's just gives a ripple effect and you are
closing wonderful ripples throughout the world and helping so many people.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
And we really do need it now.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
You know, people are are aging, they're worried about their parents,
they could be worried about themselves, such as in my case,
worried about their children.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
The future.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Making ends to meet is you know, everything goes up.
How wonderful it is to have.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
This tool.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
I I really appreciate you then and what you're bringing
forth into the world.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Thank you. It's too much to my life. I went
from having a really, really tough childhood and I was
a high school dropout. I really did not have any
plans of doing anything like I'm doing right now. And
by finding this and figuring it out and using it,
I was able to go from high school drop out
(45:27):
to getting back in school, getting my high school troma,
getting my college degree from UC Davis in California, and
then I started my own tech company that went to
a multimillion dollar company. All of that I did by
following my opening. And I think so on a deeper level,
this is my personal philosophy, but it opens me that
(45:49):
this is true, and I want everyone to you know,
be you know, be aware of whatever's true for you.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Is fine.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
I'm not putting this out there for somebody else. This
is me being then and her personal belief right now.
I believe that we construct a personal blueprint before we
get here with God, and that we come down here
to learn and to explore and to really like become
a different soul. And there's a blueprint to what that
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looks like. But we weren't sent down here alone that
I believe this internal guidance system is something that was
given to us specifically so that we would be able
to find our way and stay in tune with what
we're here to achieve, what we're here to really do.
And so when we start getting off path and away
(46:40):
from our divine purpose in life, our life work energy
starts to constrict and feel uncomfortable. And that uncomfortableness, that
closing of the internal guidance system wakes us up that
something is wrong and we're off. And that's when we
start finding our personal developments, or we go to therapy,
or we ask for help, or we we sudden, we
start calling our way back to where we feel good again,
(47:03):
and we're open, and we're at a time and that opening.
When we're in the opening, we're on our path and
we're living our souls. We're accomplishing the things that we're
here to learn and the things we're here to do,
and it takes all of us together. We can't do
we can't accomplish our soul's goals alone. We have full
family and people that are supposed to be in our lives,
and some of them are hard and some of them
(47:24):
are easier, and all of them are important. And we're
in a period of time right now where the closings
are getting really loud, where our fear and our worry
and our overwhelm and our frustrations are just starting to
get to a boiling point because we're supposed to wake
(47:44):
up and start looking for how we're supposed to change
to make the world better, and it's a that's something
that's happening for all of us, and it's getting louder
and louder, which is why there's more fear, more anxiety,
this worry that's coming, it's getting more more apparent because
we're supposed to wake up and go, what is it
(48:05):
that's not true, is not working, it's not how we
want it to be anymore, and we're in it together.
And this internal guidance system, if I can get people
trained on how to use it and they understand that
the closing is simply guidance, but fear is not real,
That it's guidance to change your thinking and finds the
new way that works, and when you find it, you'll open.
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And when you open, you're in compassion and love, and
you're centered, and you have peace and empathy, and you're
in the experience of how we do want it to be.
And we're supposed to be moving into that now. And
that's why this work, I feel is super important. I
feel very lucky that I got to be a part
of decoding it and figuring out how it works so
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I can teach it to others. And it's something that
once you learn, you don't keep studying with me. You're
off and you go do the thing you're here to do.
You're not supposed to be sitting there with me in
class all day long about how it works. You're online
doing me Audi approaches, but you're supposed to be outdoing
your thing because your thing is important. Your thing is
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what we need you doing. And when you find your
thing and you know how to stick with it and
finding your opening, then you're making the world a better place.
And that's where we are right now. And I know
it feels uncomfortable and hard, but that's only because we're
supposed to be squeezed to the point where we wake
up and we'd start to do it different, do life
(49:30):
differently than we have in the past. And that's where
we're at.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
That is that is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Then I can't thank you enough for coming back on
and you're more than welcome to come back again.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Don't wait three years. Okay, I see you're welcome.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Well, what a delight talking to you, and thank you
so much for you know all that you do. And
I know, folks, after I get done talking to Zen,
I'm gonna hop on the website and sign up for
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Folks.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I am so excited every time I do a show,
especially when guests come back, especially when they remember me
and they come back and with me. Today is then
Crier deep Brook, who I interviewed back in May May
eighteenth of twenty twenty two, and I was thrilled when
(00:44):
Zen's PR person reach out to me to interview Zen again.
So I'm gonna give you a little background about Zen.
Then Crior deep Brook is an entrepreneur and business executive.
She is of Fear Free Human and wait until she
talks about that, because that is just phenomenal. She's a
(01:07):
keynote speaker, a personal coach, and inspirational teacher. When I
interviewed Then back three years ago, I interviewed her about
her book. She's the author and writer of Your ENERGYPS
Follow your Internal Guidance to optimal health, happiness and Satisfaction.
(01:29):
And I am so pleased to have his Zen prior
de Brook back with me.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Welcome Zen, Hi, that's see, I'm so glad to be here.
Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Hell, you're welcome and my pleasure. I was so thrilled
when Devin reached out to me and I was.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Like, oh wow, I have to look.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Up when I interviewed Zen and realized, well, it was
May eighteenth, twenty twenty two. And you know, if we're
discussing before we recording, folks, how fast life goes how
fast time goes by, especially as you get older. And
I know three years it was like yesterday, yeah, yes,
(02:16):
And you know I interview interviewed you about your book
and at that time you have a Soul at Academy
and now you have Fear Free Human. Tell us about that,
because I watched your video on your website and the
website will be in the blog of and and that's
(02:39):
so interesting then your Fear Free Human website, because you
know what, a lot of humans, especially now are living
in fear and struggling. There's a lot of fear now
in the atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So I'm glad you have this.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I agree, well, thank you. Yeah, I like to I
talk about the difference between mental fear and physical fear. Right, So,
physical fear is like tiger fear, being afraid of sharks, fighters,
you know, you get into almost get into a car
accident on the freeway, and your body's like, you know,
(03:17):
it gets kind of you know, that physical sensation of fear.
And then there's mental fear. And mental fear is worrying
about the taxes that are coming due, or your health,
having to put mom in a memory care unit, you know,
one of your children going awry, these kinds of things
where your mind is consistently worrying or anxious about things
(03:39):
happening that are going to be bad and unpleasant and
hurt you. And the difference between the two is with
physical fear, a danger can come into your experience, into
your space, you know, and then as soon as the
danger's gone, your body, you know, comes back to normal.
But with mental fear, it's different because our mental fears
(04:02):
they get put into us between the ages of zero
and seven when we're watching how the people around us
react to the world and we're trying to figure out
how to be loved and be safe, and what happens
is is these mental fears your mind is going out
and constantly looking at how to be loved and to
keep you safe, and it creates this addictive thinking pattern
of anxiety and worry that in any moment something could
(04:26):
go wrong, And we all have it to different levels,
but it doesn't ever go away. And my goal with
Fear Free Human is to eliminate mental fear on the planet.
And I've figured out a way to do that. And
that's why I came to talk to you today, is
to share the solution that I have that would allow
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all of us as human beings to stop the addictive
thinking that's keeping us miserable and afraid.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, that is so true.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Then I could tell in my own life that I,
you know, sometimes fear. Okay, who's going to take care
of the Look at the Joshua, I'm gone. What happens
if I end up in a nursing home? What happens
if something happens to me? I don't dwell on it
every day, but I think about every time I go
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into a car, because he's people in New Jersey tried
by gloonies. That's crazy. Yes, I get my car and
I pray that I'd come back home safe. And you
know it is a fear and it can really you know,
you think about it and it could escalate and well,
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you brought out a very good point. Like older parents,
if you have to place them.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Exactly, go ahead. These are yeah, okay, every day, all
day long.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Feeling it and what what Let's let's look and see
what anxiety really feels like, what fear really feels like.
It shows up as a lump in the throat or
a tight feeling in our chest area that's constriction, or
a sick feeling kind of in the solar plex the
upper stomach area where you just feel like you got
a rock and there's this miserable feeling. This is the
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sensation that I equate to when you're in mental fear,
the internal guidance system, which is what I've got an
opportunity to decode in my lifetime. It's a physical sensation
system in the body, and it creates this tight feeling
in these three areas the throat, the chest, and the
stomach upper stomach area whenever you're in mental fear. And
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here's the good news, Betsy, when you're in mental fear,
that tight sensation is letting you know that what you're
thinking is not true or not going to happen, and
I've divided. I have developed a series of practices that
let you know when you're in fear and then change
the way you're thinking about it to where the center
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of your body releases, and then you're actually reprogramming your
mind away from mental fear by using the practices that
I created. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
That's yeah, that sounds exciting.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I remember that from the last time, and and I have,
you know, used that I remembered.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I can't remember what I did yesterday, did.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You know? At Sometimes well, you know, sometimes I think
to myself and that's my dumb, bizarre or like I'll say, well,
did this person.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Really care about me? They didn't care?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I would say, okay, they didn't care about me, and
I would feel tight like okay, they did care about me?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Did they care about me? And it would loosen enough,
Oh they did, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
And really I listened to your video today to remember
and when you talked about you know, if you didn't
receive the email or text and stuff one, you would
go into thinking pattern like what did you do?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
How can then I'm answering you and I do the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I have a laugh because I think the same thing.
Oh they didn't answer me, they don't like me. Maybe
I said something long, maybe I didn't word something right.
It's like, well, you know, so I think. Then people
think they're the only ones who feel that way, and
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they're not, which is one reason.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Why I do the show, to let people know.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
They're not alone and how they think it's sort of universal.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Everybody, and it's all. Here's the thing is, it is universal.
Everybody has their own moments where they're tight and they're
anxious and in anxiety, some people more than others, and
and it's always about different things. It's all each All
of our anxiety is unique to each of us, even
(08:58):
if we have a few erful moment, let's say nine
to eleven. We'll go back to nine to eleven way
dates us. But in that moment, everybody responded to a
different fear about that situation that happened to us in
the United States, right, And if you talk to different people,
some people were afraid of terrorism, other people were afraid
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this is going to happen somewhere else. Some you know,
some people felt it was the government, depending on what
your thought was, And so all across the board. We
all responded to it differently, and the one thing that
we have in common is this internal guidance system, which
I call IGS Internal guidance system IGS for short. We
all have an IGS that will let us know in
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the moment with it whether or not what we're actually
thinking is true and in alignment with harmony and success
in our lives, or whether the thoughts are not true
and in disharmony taking us away. And what I love
about what you just said. That's is how you were
using it to discover whether or not you Your mind
immediately goes, this person doesn't care about me, they don't
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love me. And then you noticed you tightened, which means
what you're thinking is not true, not going to happen,
and you questioned the thought. And when you question that thought,
it's like, oh, I tightened, That means they do care
about me. The body releases when it's true. It's kind
of the opposite of what people think. A lot of
people think. If we get a sick gut feeling, you know,
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feeling like if he feeling inside about a person or
a situation, a lot of people think that that means
that that situation's true, that it's actually going to happen.
But what I've discovered in working with forty thousand people
plus now there's more than that now, is that it's
when your body releases that the actual thought is true.
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And you did it perfectly. That's exactly how you use
your IGS.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And I found it very useful. Is this situation right
for me? You know?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And I like how on your website, and I encourage everyone,
you know, go on a website you talk about it's
not intuition. It's different because people might get that confused.
I did it first because sometimes I just got feeling
that something is going to happen, and it does.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
But this is different. This is really you relying on
what you said, your inner guidance system.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And I love that because, you know, I think being human,
we jump to conclusions, especially if you grew up and
an abusive toxic environment home environment, You'll think, yeah, oh,
(11:54):
this person doesn't like me. What did I do wrong?
Why are they not responding? Are they giving me silent treatment?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
These are the things that go through my mind. Anyway,
My parents didn't give me. It's just thought with treatment.
But I know people who have.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, I agree with you. So the thing is is
that it's first of all, each of us has different
levels of different things in our lives that create this
closing response. When you tighten inside, I call it a closing,
and when you release, it's an opening. It's expanded feelings.
And this is happening all day long in our lives,
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and it's not intuition. I have an intuitive gift. I'm
Claire Cognizant. I used to do in intuitive work years ago,
very accurate, and what I can say is is that
all anybody who gets intuitive information, it doesn't come in
the same way for every single person. It's kind of
different for each person. So, for instance, if you have
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somebody who's an impact, an impact is somebody who feels
emotions that are not their own, so they can walk
into a room and instantly feel the emotions that are
happening in the room. Another and they could feel it
physically in their body as if they're experiencing it. Another
impact could walk into the room and then they would
feel the energy and the emotions outside of themselves in
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the room. And some people, some impacts have pictures. All
intuitive gifts are different, they're unique to each person. Everybody
has experienced with it. Differently what I've found, and it
just drops in. It's not something you can count on.
It just happens willy nilly as you're moving through the world.
What I've found with the internal guidance system is I've
decoded it. I started in nineteen ninety three and I've
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spent I can't even believe how long that is now
I'm not even going to do math in public. I
think it's thirty years over thirty two years. But I've
spent thirty two years doing this, twenty seven I know,
oh my gosh, twenty seven actually teaching. And in all
the people that I've taught how to do this, it
works the same way in everyone, no matter what culture
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they're in, how old they are, whether it's a kid
or an older person, whether it's Japanese, whether it's from Europe,
from anywhere in the United States, Mexico, South America, everybody
has an internal guidance system and it expands and contracts
the same way. And it's only in relationship to what
you're thinking. It's only to our own personal thoughts. So
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when you feel that tight feeling that makes you feel bad, sick, upset, angry, frustrated, irritated, overwhelmed,
whether you feel guilty, it's in relationship to the thoughts
you're having. It's not in relationship to what's happening in
the world around you. And why this is so important
is that when you feel that type feeling, it's a
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signal to stop in the moment and check your thinking
because it's not going to create what you want. When
I first discovered this, I was young, and I had
come through a very and abusive background, and I left
my house thinking that if I just left my toxic
family behind, I could be successful because all their toxicity
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would stay with them. Well, guess what, that's not what
happened the truth and I right, you know, and I
carried my mom's rage, and I carried the anger and
the problems that my family were in They were in
me now. And so I went out and I was
trying to figure out how to make my way in
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the world at nineteen twenty years old, and I kept
blowing up my life. I kept self sabotaging, you know.
I remember one day my boss at a restaurant I
was a dishwasher, came in to give me some critique
and I got so upset and angry at him telling
me I was doing something wrong that I snapped and
he was like, that's it, You're done out, And I
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was like fine, and I go leaving thinking that he's
going to chase me down the street to try and
beg me to come back to my dishwashing job. Right all,
show him my stress defense is to take my toys
and go home. And as I went through my life
for this few years, I realized that I was blowing
my life up when I couldn't do it differently than
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I witnessed my parents how they were doing this. And
finally a friend of mine gave me a cassette tape
from Abraham Hicks. You know Abraham right yep Ester or Hicks.
It gave me a cassette tape about the law of attraction.
This is back in nineteen ninety three, well before she
had any you know, following at all, and people are
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just sitting in the living room asking Abraham questions. And
one person asked, how do you have the most successful
life that you could possibly have? And she said, when
you're in alignment with your highest purpose in what's going
to be the most amazing thing for you in your life,
you'll feel a light expanded and feeling in your body.
You'll feel an openness, and when you're moving away, you'll
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feel a tightness, only in relationship to what you're thinking.
When you're tight, their thoughts are carrying you away from
what's successful, and when you're open, your thoughts are carrying
you towards what success. And I've grabbed off of that
as a young person, knowing that every time I blew
up my life, I felt the tightness. And I've spent
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my life it's been my life's work since then figuring
out how it works and completely changing my life. And
it's way bigger and more amazing than we ever could
have imagined. Betsy, It's incredible this tool. It reprograms the
neuropathways of your mind as you're living your life.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Then think about and I want the audience to think
about this, Think of everybody did this instead of you
know we saw it makes you upset instead of just
snapping to go into your inner guidance system and question,
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you know what's going on. I think they've been more
peace than the world and coming from a toxic background myself,
as you said, you know what we think we're leaving
it behind, but it travels with us until we learned
to learn tools to address that. And we tend to
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sometimes follow the same patterns as our parents, and we
tend to attract relationships that mimic what we had with
our parents. So this tool is just incredible. Can it's
just sitting here thinking about it, and even when I
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watched your video thinking what if everyone in the world
did this, and if we tought our children to do
this when they're young.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yes, right, you imagine.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You know, we'd have a lot more peace.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yes, yes, because even though you're carrying the piece within us.
I think the most important part for me is that
when you use this each time, you have a tight
feeling anytime, and I'm going to list for your listeners
what that type feeling. Because we didn't understand that it
was guidance coming from an inside of us about our thinking.
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We started naming the feelings that we have and we've
called them anxiety, fear, overwhelmed, frustration, irritation, procrastination. Think about
something you're procrastinating on. You'll notice that there's a tightness
that means that what you're thinking about when it needs
to be done or how it needs to be done
is not true. It's not the right time for it.
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That's why you're not getting to it. Impatience, defensiveness, guilt,
and so much more. These are just a few of
the things that cause us tightenness. And when we're in
the tightness, the closing is what we call it. That
means what we're thinking about the thing is not true.
It's not true that you're not getting it done right
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on time. It's not true that you're the person who's
irritating you, is doing it to you on purpose. It's
not true when you're frustrated that the situation won't change.
It's not true. When you're feeling guilty that you've done
something wrong and you're bad. It's not true. And when
you learn how to understand, I call them divine prompts,
kind of like you know, artificial intelligence. You have AI
(20:27):
and prompt for it. Well, what I've developed is divine prompts.
When you're closed down and you're tight it means to
I call it dip divine and it's called a divine
intelligence prompt. You dip into what you're thinking, You figure
out what it is your thoughts are that are not true,
and then there's a question you can ask yourself to
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get yourself out of it. And as you ask the question,
when you get both to the one that's going to
create the most success. And that's true for you, like
you did when you said this person doesn't care for
me and you realize you felt tight and then he
said they do care for me, and you're released. You
naturally did a divine prompt. You automatically did. And there's
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there's there's many different prompts that I've developed, and if
you know the prompts, then you simply ask the question
and you work through it, and then the body releases
and you're back on track. You're back in peace. You're
back knowing exactly what you need to do, how you
need to do it, and when you need to do
it in your life. And what it does is it
does create peace. It creates a sense of confidence, a
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sense of centeredness, a sense of self.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And it would be I love that, and I love that.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Then I had to say about guilt, and I'm gonna
be I want you all who are caregivers to listen
to this, because caregivers feel guilty about things they shouldn't
feel guilty about. I know because I was a caregiver
and I'd carry guilt with me for a long time.
You're inner guidance system would help caregivers not to feel guilty,
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they questioned, because I said I wouldn't feel guilty if
their mad died, and I did, and I had to
learn to let it go.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
But that's before I knew about the IGS. I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I didn't know then back then in twenty twenty, and
if I knew this, if I had this tool, I
would have stayed myself a year of grief. Yeah, so well,
this is really important, go ahead and think it is.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I went through grief with my mom. My mom died
when I was really young. I was twenty three. And
the thing was this is that when I was grieving
because it was I needed herself. Twenty three sound so
old when you're twenty three, but when you're fifty four,
I realized that you were just a baby and I
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still needed her. And I remember she died suddenly. It
wasn't something that was planned for. And after the funeral
was over and everything had calmed down, the grief set
in the realization the first person in my life that
really had passed that my body could feel was missing,
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and my boyfriend would get up and go to work
in the morning and I had taken some time off,
and I would collapse. I literally remember collapsing in the
middle of the living room floor and I started wailing
like an animal. I didn't know I could make the
sounds I made. I was in so much pain, And
as I was laying there, I already discovered the igs.
And I was laying there, and as my thoughts would
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go towards how beautiful she was and what she gave me,
and how much we'd healed over the years, because we
had a lot of pain when we were when I
was little, and how I was going to miss her,
I felt this opening rush of energy through my body
that was cathartic and beautiful. And then anytime my thinking
would move towards what about me, Who's going to be
there for me when I'm older? I'm not going to
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have anyone to take care of me, what about when
I have kids? Like all the pity thoughts, I'd feel
this constriction in my body, this tightness, the sick feeling,
and I realized that my emotions were different from my
internal guidance system, and that I could have good get
through trauma by focusing on the opening thoughts that was
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could started in this releasing pain and creating health in
my life. And when I focused on the type thinking
that that caused the constriction of my body, I felt
sicker and more unhealthy and as if I was like stuck.
And that's when I realized that our emotions are not
our internal guidance system. It's not about feeling good. You
can feel good and still be close. There's plenty of
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women out there who dated the wrong person and keeps
kind of going back to them, or men then do
it too, and they know it's the wrong person, but
there's like a connection and as they you know, they
feel they're to talk to them, but they're also closed inside, right,
and so the excitement, happiness, the closing is still there
because the internal guidance system is giving you signals regardless
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of your emotions, and so it's very powerful. Like you said,
because let me give you an example, guilt is always closing.
I don't care what you're guilty about, it doesn't matter.
It's always closing. It means that no matter what you're
guilty about, it's not true. You're not a bad person.
You're not supposed to be doing something different. Whether it
be exercise, what you're feeding your kids, how much you're
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calling mom, does not matter. It's always closing, and it
means it's not true and you shouldn't be focused on it.
Remorse is always opening, Betsy. Remorse. Notice how you never
take action on guilt. It just sits there and tortures
you mentally. But when you feel real remorse about something,
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you feel the need to make amends. That's where the
I'm sorry come from. That's where the I'm going to
do it differently next time comes to from. That's where
that I shouldn't have done that, so I apologize right.
Remorse is opening and we know we need to take
action and make it different. And that's really the crux
of how the IGS makes it our lives very different.
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Is it takes training. It takes usually takes people between
three to six months to master it where they can
live and understand it with all situations in their lives.
And once you understand it, it makes it easy to
make financial decisions. It makes it easy to understand what
to do in a relationship. You clear out all the closings,
the thoughts that aren't true for you, so that you
just become lighter and happier and happier and more connected
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and more confident that you're running your life in the
way that it should be run.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That's incredible. You know.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I'm sitting here in New Jerseys and listening to you,
and I just got some filled with Dudgeons inspiration, you know,
talking to you.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
How throwing and easy is it?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
You know, just to go on your website and do
we even have a mailing list which I have to
fill out.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
I want to get you a little mini pods that
you'll offer.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
And that you know, I just I learned from all
my guests, and I really believe that whoever I interview
I was meant to I was meant to learn something
from this guest. And just learning more again from news
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end with your uh inner gs.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
It's just incredible. How do people.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Join where I get your services?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
And how does that? How does that work?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Absolutely? Yeah. So if you go to any fear Freehuman
dot Com Forward flash Start fear Freehuman dot Com Forward
flash Start, what you'll get is you'll get put into
our community and there is a fourteen day quick start
program and so I teach you remember the old movie The
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Karate Kids. Yes, okay, mister Miyagi who did wax on,
He talked Danielson wax on and wax off, the little
tiny karate moves that eventually turned into him knowing karate.
I teach by what I call them, you know, Yeah,
I teach finding the yagi approach. Because the thing is
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is we're working with our thoughts of our minds. And
I don't know about you, but my mind is pretty
crazy sometimes and in hijacksy it oh your fourth thing
with your asthma, it hijacks me. It runs around in
circles at three o'clock in the morning, It tells me
lies people in my life. It drives me crazy. And
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so what I do is, instead of like working with
your mind, I get you doing little practices using your
internal guidance system, tiny little things and you can physically
feel it, and you use it making decisions and moving
through your life. And in this fourteen days, every day
you get a tiny little practice, a little wax on
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and a little wax off move. And it's free. Now,
if you want coaching, then you can buy coaching. We
have a monthly coaching fee that's cheap. It's totally affordable,
and you can get on a phone call with me
once a week and I help you work out with
a group coaching session. I help you work out any
places that you're stuck. But if you go to Fearfreehuman
(29:43):
dot com, Forge slash Start and you sign up, you
can get the first practice right away.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
That sounds oh wonderful. As a matter of fact, my
son and I going to go see the new Karate
Kid the Yeah, there's a new one with that guy,
the actor Ralph.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
My shadow or some not yea like that. Yeah, yeah,
so I that yeah he did it.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Not that I'm I'm promoting the movie, but it is
coming out I think this month. Yeah, I think at
the end of this month. So that's what made me
think about that, because there were you know, you see
it come to tractions of them with the hands, so uh,
it's so important, you know. I couldn't I cough when
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I when I laughed, but I had to laugh because
sometimes my own thoughts, I'm like you then or racing,
you know, And I could get anxiety about little things.
And I noticed that since caregiving, that I don't handle
anxiety is as well. Something goes wrong, like my dryer
(31:02):
went on me again, and I got so anxious. I
shake the fourteenth from anxiety.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Do the fourteen days? Do the fourteen days? So what
the fourth day days are? You'll do that. You'll love them.
So they they walk you through the very beginning of
feeling it. There's three little videos a day. It's a
pretty robust course for being free. So you have the
first you have three videos. The first one is a
little practice, it's a short video with practice. Then then
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the second video is the challenges, the things that people
find kind of hard. Sometimes not everybody, just some people
challenges and the solution. And then the third video is
a short video about like what this is like. It's
not positive or negative thinking. People think, oh, well, of course,
if I have a good thought, it's going to make
me feel good, and if I have a bad thought,
it's going to make me feel bad. That's not how
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it works. When I three years four years ago, I
had cancer and I was in the show hour doing
my breast exam and I felt a lump and I
realized I thought, immediately, this slump is different. That's exactly
what I thought. I was like, ooh, this feels different,
this lump is different because i'd had fibroids before. You know,
women get fibrids. They're just little things, right, bickness in
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the breast, you know, we all get them. Then they're like, say, oh,
we got to check it out, and we check it
out and it's nothing. This didn't feel like that. And
they also say, when you feel it, it'll feel different.
You know, it won't feel like a normal lump. So
I felt it and I opened, which means what I
was thinking that it was different, that it was cancer
was true because I thought this one's cancer and it
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was true and it was. And so from there I
got an opening to get to the doctor and immediately
what happens. And this is why this takes training. It's
because no matter what thought you put into your you know,
whatever comes in from the outside world and what you're
thinking about, your mind's going to have a reaction to it.
So when I felt the lump, my first reaction was
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I'm going to die. Oh my god, I'm going to
my kids closed. Oh I'm not going to die. And
this is how it works. This is literally when you're trained.
This is what trauma feels like. This is what difficult
times feel like. I'm going to die. I'm going to
leave my kid closed. Oh I'm not going to die.
Opens back up. Oh I'm not going to die. Okay,
well this is cancer open? Still open? Am I going
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to have to do radiation and lose my hair? Closed?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Demo? Closed?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Am I going to have to? And then I thought
I'm going to need a double misseectomy? I opened. So
I went through in the first five minutes of feeling this,
knowing what my trajectory was. I am four years past
my double misseectomy. My cancer journey was about three and
a half months long total. I didn't need radiation, I
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didn't need chemo. Now I'm not saying that's for everybody.
I used my internal guidance system to determine what was needed.
That's what training does. And now I have a one
percent chance of recurrence. I'm at my four year mark
and they've pushed out my doctor's appointments to every other
year and they don't expect it to come back.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Oh that's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And I'm sure they gave you peace, you know, when
you're with the opening, you know, questioning. You know, of course,
whenever we fall alump, we think, oh my goodness, is
this cancer, and and am I going to die?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Right? And who's going to take care of my family?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
That is uh, what a great way to use the
I g AT Yes, I g S.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I think it would give people.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Peace of mind, and it's a harmony and and you know,
I feel that in the times we're living in there's
so much hate out there and fear that I feel
like we need to bring back our.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Humanity for each other. And I believe this is my opinion, folks.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I believe that the IGS can help bring people back
to humanity and caring and loving each other despite differences.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I have seen miracles in marriages where people whether they're
not getting along, they feel completely disconnected. Families are having
strife over politics and religion and various things, and by
following the opening, they get back into alignment and they're
so happy. They realize, first of all, they're not that
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our heart in the core values of who they are.
They just have a difference in the way they feel
like it needs to be handled in the world to
accomplish things. And even then when you bring this into
like a company. I work with corporations, and you've got
people that are trying to accomplish a mission, and there's
all kinds of different ways to do it, and they
all figure out what opens them and how to do it.
(36:06):
And when they're closed, they're like, Okay, I'm closed, so
I know what I'm thinking isn't true, but I can't
figure it out. You guys help me. Here's what I'm
thinking about our situation. And they're like, and it's closed,
but what could help me figure out how to find
an opening? And we start talking like that. It takes
it away from being in us against them kind of experience,
and it turns us into how do we get back
on track? How do we get back into alignment where
(36:30):
we understand where each other's at and we know how
to participate together again, even if we're different, we can
still participate together. And that's the big thing that this
does for us. And that's why I believe that I
started the Fear Free Human Movement because at the core
of all of the closing is always fear. Like one
of the divine prompts the dips I call them divine prompts,
(36:53):
is when you're irritated with someone, it comes down to
it's always with a person, and your mind believes that
that person cannot or will not change. Like it's a hardcore.
They're always going to be this way, and I'm always
going to be miserable, and they're never going to pick
up their socks or they're never going to stop whatever
(37:13):
it is right, and you look for, Okay, I'm irritated
with this person, and you look for what is it
that I think can't or won't change, and then the
prompt goes from there. There's some a couple levels to
it that you can work through, and when you find
the one that opens you, then you're now you can
have a conversation about how the shape this can change.
(37:36):
And the cool thing is is what I've found is
opening begets opening. So when you find that somebody, when
you find an opening for yourself, it will work for
the other person too. I haven't been a zero sum
game where one person wins and one person loses. What
I have found over the years is that when you
find an opening and you bring it to the person
(37:57):
and to discuss, it works for them too. Now, there
may be a little negotiation that needs to happen because
we don't know what other people thinking you're feeling, but overall,
the opening works for everyone involved. Which is amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
That is cool.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I'm glad you mentioned you talk about in teaching this
and cooperations, because I was Scott was going to ask you,
do you go to companies? I think yes, every company
can benefit from learning from us in and the IGS.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I really do. I think people would get along it
work better, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
They get along better they are able to. It also
increases the bottom line of the person of the company
because you have less people that are feeling less productive.
They know how to deal with procrastination. Have you ever
worked in a corporate environment, Metsie.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Not a corporate work the nursing pool in retail, so
not so much like in a corporate office.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Well, let's just take nursing, you know how good as
an example. Something new will come down the pike, a
new way to do things that they want you to
change it, and everybody hates change. Nobody wants me to change,
even if it's for the better. It's like, I'd like
the way I was doing it. Leave me alone. I
have a system, right, So something comes down the pike
and they need you to change something, and half the
(39:29):
people are like, okay, whatever, not a problem because they
don't have any egal big issue to change. And then
there's people like me who have who hates change, and
I'm like, I'm not going to do it. I'm not
going to do it your way. I get this closing right,
This is you're not gonna tell me what to do.
You're not the box with me. And this happens in
every company. Well, if you have an environment where it's like, well,
what is it just upsetting you about this change? Half
(39:50):
of it could just be I just don't like change.
I'll get over myself. But the other have could be
is like, what you don't know is this won't work
because what I know that you don't know is And
in nursing you have that all the time. They would
tell you to do something and you would know that
it's not going to work out because of X, Y
and Z. But they're not listening to you. They don't
(40:12):
they don't understand the value of how much you have
to offer, you know what I'm saying. So they missed
this whole opportunity to learn something a better way to
make this work out for everybody and include the nurses
in it. Right, And so that's what I do when
I go into corporation we harvest the intuition and the
genius of the teams that they're in, and we use
(40:33):
the IGS for everybody to feel safe to communicate, and
then we bring them into a place where we find
a solution that works for everybody and then everybody's on board.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
That would just change, Yeah, that would just I think
that would just change nurses And you know business environment.
My pastor former past he used to say everything rises and.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Folds on leadership. So if management.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Would use the IGS and then carry it down, what
a workplace environment that would be. And I'll tali you,
nursing could definitely use it because nurses will eat their young.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
They It's true.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
It's so ironic that you know people in the nursing
profession they help others, but they're terrible to their co workers.
I used to say, they're worse than a mafia.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
It's true. It's a job though, it really is.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yes, yes, it definitely it is.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
I just love your your concept then, and how can people.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Reach out to you? Do they go on your website?
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
If they want to join.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Your group, yeah, go to fearfreehuman dot com. That's our website.
And if you put forward slash start then we get
you into the free fourteen day program. You get to
keep that for life. You're in the community, and you
get to be a part of a discussion group there.
I don't do coaching or answer questions and the discussion
group because it's just too much to do, but so
(42:28):
that gets you started. And then we have a YouTube
channel that I highly recommend. It's fear Free Human, and
I do coaching on the YouTube channel and I release
small vignettes on education and how to use this and
how to different ways and different opportunities there. And then
you can always reach me at z at Fearfreehuman dot
(42:49):
z as in then my name, the a's my personal
email v at fearfreehuman dot com. I try to get
back to everybody, even if it's just a high because
it can be a lot, but that's the best way
to reach me.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yes, I was going to bring up your YouTube channel.
I'm gonna have to start watching that. I meant to
watch a video and the day escapes me.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
But definitely have to watch.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
If you subscribe, and I know everybody wants to subscribe,
but if you subscribe, then you'll get notification. I do
really coaching with people on that channel and you can
comment and ask questions. If you're a member of the community,
you're a paid member of the community, then you get
to be a part of those live coaching that happen
on YouTube and people that But but you don't have
(43:43):
to be a member of the community to post questions.
And I choose particular comments and questions from the audience
on YouTube when I do my live It's really fun.
It's a really fun way to engage.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
That is that is really good to know I had
this philosophy. Then the more people can do to improve themselves,
I think the more.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Peace they have, the happier they are.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
And it's just gives a ripple effect and you are
closing wonderful ripples throughout the world and helping so many people.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
And we really do need it now.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
You know, people are are aging, they're worried about their parents,
they could be worried about themselves, such as in my case,
worried about their children.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
The future.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Making ends to meet is you know, everything goes up.
How wonderful it is to have.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
This tool.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
I I really appreciate you then and what you're bringing
forth into the world.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Thank you. It's too much to my life. I went
from having a really, really tough childhood and I was
a high school dropout. I really did not have any
plans of doing anything like I'm doing right now. And
by finding this and figuring it out and using it,
I was able to go from high school drop out
(45:27):
to getting back in school, getting my high school troma,
getting my college degree from UC Davis in California, and
then I started my own tech company that went to
a multimillion dollar company. All of that I did by
following my opening. And I think so on a deeper level,
this is my personal philosophy, but it opens me that
(45:49):
this is true, and I want everyone to you know,
be you know, be aware of whatever's true for you.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Is fine.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
I'm not putting this out there for somebody else. This
is me being then and her personal belief right now.
I believe that we construct a personal blueprint before we
get here with God, and that we come down here
to learn and to explore and to really like become
a different soul. And there's a blueprint to what that
(46:18):
looks like. But we weren't sent down here alone that
I believe this internal guidance system is something that was
given to us specifically so that we would be able
to find our way and stay in tune with what
we're here to achieve, what we're here to really do.
And so when we start getting off path and away
(46:40):
from our divine purpose in life, our life work energy
starts to constrict and feel uncomfortable. And that uncomfortableness, that
closing of the internal guidance system wakes us up that
something is wrong and we're off. And that's when we
start finding our personal developments, or we go to therapy,
or we ask for help, or we we sudden, we
start calling our way back to where we feel good again,
(47:03):
and we're open, and we're at a time and that opening.
When we're in the opening, we're on our path and
we're living our souls. We're accomplishing the things that we're
here to learn and the things we're here to do,
and it takes all of us together. We can't do
we can't accomplish our soul's goals alone. We have full
family and people that are supposed to be in our lives,
and some of them are hard and some of them
(47:24):
are easier, and all of them are important. And we're
in a period of time right now where the closings
are getting really loud, where our fear and our worry
and our overwhelm and our frustrations are just starting to
get to a boiling point because we're supposed to wake
(47:44):
up and start looking for how we're supposed to change
to make the world better, and it's a that's something
that's happening for all of us, and it's getting louder
and louder, which is why there's more fear, more anxiety,
this worry that's coming, it's getting more more apparent because
we're supposed to wake up and go, what is it
(48:05):
that's not true, is not working, it's not how we
want it to be anymore, and we're in it together.
And this internal guidance system, if I can get people
trained on how to use it and they understand that
the closing is simply guidance, but fear is not real,
That it's guidance to change your thinking and finds the
new way that works, and when you find it, you'll open.
(48:26):
And when you open, you're in compassion and love, and
you're centered, and you have peace and empathy, and you're
in the experience of how we do want it to be.
And we're supposed to be moving into that now. And
that's why this work, I feel is super important. I
feel very lucky that I got to be a part
of decoding it and figuring out how it works so
(48:48):
I can teach it to others. And it's something that
once you learn, you don't keep studying with me. You're
off and you go do the thing you're here to do.
You're not supposed to be sitting there with me in
class all day long about how it works. You're online
doing me Audi approaches, but you're supposed to be outdoing
your thing because your thing is important. Your thing is
(49:09):
what we need you doing. And when you find your
thing and you know how to stick with it and
finding your opening, then you're making the world a better place.
And that's where we are right now. And I know
it feels uncomfortable and hard, but that's only because we're
supposed to be squeezed to the point where we wake
up and we'd start to do it different, do life
(49:30):
differently than we have in the past. And that's where
we're at.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
That is that is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Then I can't thank you enough for coming back on
and you're more than welcome to come back again.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Don't wait three years. Okay, I see you're welcome.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Well, what a delight talking to you, and thank you
so much for you know all that you do. And
I know, folks, after I get done talking to Zen,
I'm gonna hop on the website and sign up for
the free fourteen day and the newsletter and subscribe to
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Speaker 2 (50:15):
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will do the same. And you know why not.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
I check out almost anything for free to say if
I like it, that can help me, that's for sure.
And all the information about zen Crier the Brook will
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(50:46):
thank Jennie.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
For what she does. And all this is possible.
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Because of Lily and Coldwell see oh a pasture role
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Chatting with Betsy, it is for free on spotfy, Spreaker,
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I'm here to help you to bring you resources. You
heard zen Crier Deep Brook who's an excellent resource who
will help you.
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And you know, I just want to make this world
and I'll make this world a better place with the
time I have left on earth. And I just am
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I have to announce good news that Chatting with Betsy
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I'm here to help others. It's not about me. It's
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know it's my calling, and I am following my internal
g GS, GPS, my internal guidance system.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
They're all get it out then excuse me.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Thank you, you are welcome my pleasures and.
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Best wishes and everything.
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That position on your show. Honey, that's so great.
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I think, thank you so much. I'm gonna be doing
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Never thought that I would be talking to all different
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