October 6, 2025 • 20 mins
Join us on this episode as we catch up with Tina Descovich from Moms for Liberty, a former Florida school board member and passionate advocate for children and families. Tina shares her insights on current events in education, including the Iowa school superintendent scandal, Fairfax County controversies with boys in girls’ sports, and the ongoing debate over cell phones in schools.
We also dive into:
The challenges facing conservative parents and school boards
Title IX protections and keeping boys out of girls’ spaces
The rise of activism among moms standing up for their children
Recent attacks on Christian communities
Plus, Tina gives us a sneak peek at the Joyful Warrior National Summit happening October 16–19 at Gaylord Palms, Orlando, Florida, with speakers including Benny Johnson, James O’Keefe, Byron Donalds, and more. Learn how to get involved and support the mission of Moms for Liberty!
We also dive into:
The challenges facing conservative parents and school boards
Title IX protections and keeping boys out of girls’ spaces
The rise of activism among moms standing up for their children
Recent attacks on Christian communities
Plus, Tina gives us a sneak peek at the Joyful Warrior National Summit happening October 16–19 at Gaylord Palms, Orlando, Florida, with speakers including Benny Johnson, James O’Keefe, Byron Donalds, and more. Learn how to get involved and support the mission of Moms for Liberty!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to another episode of The Chicks on the Right podcast. Today,
we're very excited to have an old friend of the
show back with us. It's Tina discoviaged from Moms for Liberty,
who you may know from spend spending time on a
Florida school board. She's currently working on several nonprofit boards
in her community, all of which support kids. Obviously that's
the cause near and dear to her heart. So we
(00:22):
wanted to catch up with you, Tina and ask you
about some current events.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And we'll kick it off.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
With all this hullabaloo that is happening with this school
superintendent Ian Roberts in Iowa, who we don't even know.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Do we call him doctor Roberts?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Does he even have a degree?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We don't know is named Ian? Like, what's happening?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
He was just arrested, and so we wanted to get
your take on that, especially when it comes to how
in the world he was selected.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah, So, as you said, I was on a school board,
and so I just don't even know how this guy
got his job, because there is such a thorough vetting
process with anyone that's going to be around children nowadays,
of course there is, but for a superintendent of schools.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
There's extra layers of that.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
All of the elected school board members need to be
held accountable for this, and I had mentioned it the
other day. So when I was on the school board
here in Florida, about twice the size of the Des
Moines School district that this is the superintendent of, I
actually used to go into school board meetings hours early
and ask for the personnel files, background checks and everything
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on every single leader in the district that we were
voting on. And so we had nine thousand employees, so
it wasn't all the employees I did that for, but
every principle, every vice principle, anybody in leadership, and absolutely
a superintendent candidate. So we used to hire a third
party firm. I think that's what most school districts do.
They do background checks, they do research. They usually have
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a pool of candidates that they are constantly checking on
and checking in with, and they move them around, you know,
they all switch through school districts all the time. I
have no idea how this guy got through. Not only
was he an illegal immigrant that they were trying that
had lost his visa, which should have come up immediately,
he also had a weapons charge for two years prior.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Like, it's just mind blowing.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Yep, yeah, I mean he had a loaded gun in
his car when he was arrested. He's like, yeah, he
had been Like they saw him speeding. We had talked
about him speeding earlier, and they just like, oh, it's
fine because he wears flashy colors. What I know, just
the whole story is completely bizarre. I don't know how
this happened either, but it did happen. And so I mean,
I'm looking at this and I'm like, Okay, Like, our schools.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Are in Origi Estate too.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I think that's what always surprises people, right, is it
how does this happen in a conservative area?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So, we have a very strong chapter in Polk County
that is Des Moines, one of the strongest in the country,
and they are amazing and they have made huge progress
at the state level with legislation, but they have not
had go success with school board elections at all. The
union comes in with ten times more money than we
ever could have and they get behind those candidates in
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Des Moines and so we've had no luck there.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
So I'm not surprised in that aspect.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
We've got to get rid of these unions.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Man, and then he's on paid leave even though he's
been arrested and has a deportation. What how does that
even work? Why would the leave be paid, especially because
they revoked his license. Look, some people need to be
held accountable. And I hope the people of Des Moines
wake up and vote for school board members that are
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not going to hire an illegal immigrant with weapons charges,
who's speeding and running with a loaded gotten hiding cops.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Yeah, you're welcome for the vacation. Like that's a good
gig if you could get it, My goodness. All right,
So the Fairfax County steff I got, we got to
talk about that.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, your face everything is like I can't even deal.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
It's like welcome to America.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
We're covering our faces talking about this stuff. Okay.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
So Fairfax County has been in the headlines lately over
this because this is a story, and this is just
a subject that's near and dear to my heart because
I have a daughter who is a swimmer, she's a
high school swimmer, and I start seeing all this stuff
where it's like oh men or men, you know, boys
and girls sports, and it's totally Okay, and this is
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the narrative.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It's all completely absurd to me.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
But you know, they were this is Fairfax County telling
girls change quickly and when they and they had the
audacity to when girls had the audacity to complain about
having to deal with the boy watching them get undressed
in a locker room. Right, So what's the takeaway here? Like,
what are we talking about? Because I look at this
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and I'm like, I didn't think this was supposed to
be happening when Trump got into office, and now we're
still seeing it happening. And I just I think to
myself because I live in Texas, and so the first
thing I think is this wouldn't happen in Texas because
the fathers would take care of it immediately, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yeah, so it makes you wonder about the men in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
The father y.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
On a more serious note, these are Title nine violations.
And yeah, President Trump one of his first, if not
his very first executive order was keeping boys out of
girl sports. We were there at the White House for it.
We had thirty of our moms there with their daughters.
It was like that photo. I don't know if you
guys have seen it. Of the moms and daughters standing
behind him. I was in the crowd just like weeping,
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like just watching the girls admiring their moms, because I've
watched them trash their moms maybe the last few years.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Mom, why do you have to speak up? You're embarrassing me.
Stop doing this.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
And then to see that the work that their moms
have been doing brought them to the White House to
stand with the President as he was standing firm on
something as important as Title nine and keeping boys out
of girls spaces and girls sports and so, how.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Is this still happening?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Well, this is how it works in America. It's just
an executive order, and it's wonderful and it's you know,
it's a stake in the ground, but it's it's not
necessary the law of the land long term. There's a
lot of other things that need to happen. Congression, Congress
doing something would be really nice. The States need to
take action too to fortify that. Baalid initiatives potentially is
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another great thing we can do in this I know
Colorado's working on one right now, and then it has
to be played out in the courts. You know, we
know what's happening in Fairfax. The DOE has, you know,
laying fines, going to revoke federal funds. But to be honest,
federal funds for school districts is about ten percent, and
Fairfax is the largest school district in Virginia.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
They're very well funded.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
And I don't know that ten percent of their funds,
if that's what they get from the federal government, is
going to make that big of a deal. They may
just say to keep your money and we're going to
keep boys in the locker rooms. And so then then
there has to be you know, lawsuits from the parents
and getting the kids to stand up and the parents
to stand up with the pressure and the attacks. And
you know, the trans world is not kind. They are ruthless,
(06:58):
they are they are terrible. Often they've treated us what
they've done to us in our organization. And obviously we
know what happened with Charlie and others like it's it's
nothing to play around with. And so the courage it
takes for these families to stand up is exceptional.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, I'd like to know where where are the feminists?
Where are they? Yeah, we've become the feminist ladies.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I was just gonna say, ladies, we're the feminists now right,
That's right?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, do you think that Do you think that the
election for governor in Virginia, I mean, do you think
there's hope that we can see a win some sears
win or not, because I feel like that will make
a huge difference in what's going on in Virginia schools,
which seems to still be so problematic.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Yeah, when some is standing firm in the right place
and on the right side of this issue, she's speaking
very vocally about it. Everything I've seen is she's down
in the polls a few points. But you know what,
do you believe Poles? I don't believe Poles. Polls told
me that Romney was going to win. Poles told me
Trump was going to lose. Polls to like, don't believe
the polls. You you know, keep team win some keep
(08:06):
it up, file forward, knock every door you can knock,
get every vote you can get, and let's shock the
polls and get her elected in Virginia.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I totally agree with you on the polls. And we
just and I'm pushing her like we're putting her out
on our social media too, because we just we love her.
We think she's fantastic. So I'm I'm curious what you
think about all this the cell phone stuff because my
daughter I'm in Texas, like I said, and they cannot
have cell phones in school. There's a part of me
as a mom where I'm like, I'm so I was
(08:35):
so used to her having a cell phone. So you know,
she does sports after school and all that kind of stuff.
So every once in a while, I'll be like, I
can't get in touch with her if she has X
or I need to get her to a doctor's appointment
or whatever. Sometimes it can be a little inconvenient as
a parent. But at the same time, I think that
not having phones in the classroom is a wonderful thing
because I'm a gen xer and I remember the days
(08:57):
of your when we didn't have phones all the time,
and that was a good thing for us as a society.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
So what is your view on this.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Well, you know, just to go back to us being
a little bit older when there were no cell phones.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I am grateful for that.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I can't imagine the things that would have been caught
on camera in high school, even junior highway that would
be coming out now all over the New York Times
in my case, like what she did when she was fourteen.
So in that aspect, allelujah our organization. I would say
our moms are very divided. We have a lot of
chapters and moms that wholeheartedly support like banning them outright
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anywhere near campus, and then we have other moms that say,
absolutely not the stuff that's going on in classrooms right
now between radical teachers and safety, you know, just getting
beat up, chairs flying, all kinds of things are happening
in schools all the way up to school shootings, and
so I'd say we're very divided as a whole. My
(09:58):
personal opinion is I've seen plenty of teachers that have
check your phone at the door, and so I think,
in my opinion, kids should be allowed to have their
phones with strong parameters and rules in the hallway. Sure,
lunch maybe, uh probably lunch y af before and after
school on campus. Sure, absolutely, you've got sports. You got
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to be picked up at eight pm after cheerleading practice.
And you know, I remember those days in middle school
standing outside in front of the school in the dark,
all by myself, waiting for my mom to show up after.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Her third job.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
You know, A phone would have been really great then
and so, but in the classroom actively without without the
teacher using it for some reason.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Check them at the door with.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
A box or a bucket or you know whatever. Some
teachers get real creative and have charging stations at the door,
like plug it in and charge it, like offer you
a free service so that you know you'll want to
check it.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
At the door.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, but obviously, like how hard is it to like
even I mean even in cases because to your point,
when stuff is going bad in a classroom where you
can got like some crazy teacher or there's a fight
that breaks out, I would be on I mean, my
kid's out of school at this point, he's in college,
but like I would want to I would want my
kid to be able to capture that if necessary. And
(11:12):
why can't a teacher just simply say your phones stay
in your backpack for the duration of this class and
just monitor that and discipline kids who don't abide by that.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But if there's if there's.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
A reason all of a sudden for a kid to
need to record something, I kind of want them to
be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I guess that's where I stand on it.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I'm not ready to pull them away entirely or even
necessarily have them across the room. There just needs to
be better discipline in the moment.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
And to your point, Mock, I think in high school
the rule should be a little bit different than say
middle school or elementary school, because you know, like my
daughter is a sophomore in high school and she's going
to be in college in three years, and so they're
going to have full autonomy. And I think what they're
doing is they're making these kids feel younger than they are,
and they're taking away freedoms rather than saying, here are freedoms,
(12:03):
but you need to have parameters, like you said, to
those freedoms, respect that or you will be punished. I
think that would be a better way to handle it,
especially at the high school level.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, I like that. I like that idea a loto.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
One more question because before we ask you about the
summit that you have coming up, because that's exciting, that's
in a couple of weeks. One more thing, because I
know that this is something that's near and dear to
you as being part of the Mormon.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Community, this attack on this Michigan church.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I know you've been posting a lot about it on
X and I'm just I mean, I'm curious, like what
you've learned that we may not know yet, even about
the attacker himself. Do you believe that there is a
concerted attack on Christians in the country right now?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yeah, of course this has been really challenging for me.
It started obviously with Charlie Kirk's assassination. He holds the
political beliefs that you all have and I have close.
That's what he was speaking about and standing for, and
so you go through this whole mental gymnastics of they
want me dead too.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I believe the.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Same things I'm saying the same things. You know, we
get you guys probably get it too. You're so out
their threats and hate all the things.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
About you guys, but I'm always like, eh, whatever, whatever, whatever,
keyboard warriors, people sending stuff in the mail, even the
phone calls, take it, FBI, take it police.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I'm just going to keep going and doing.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
But with Charlie, it was like that was very, very
brazen and very close to home, and so you know,
I'm still trying to get over that, like the rest
of the country. And then Sunday was it was just
a little too much for me because now it's people
that have my religious beliefs too, not just assassinated in public,
but shot and burned alive, basically, you know, burn the
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church to the ground. And so you know, you have
to do a lot of is it all worth it?
You know, you go through this whole mindset of of
what you guys are speaking out and vocal to is
what we're doing and standing for worth it? And so
do I have any more information than you? Unfortunately know
what you're seeing. First of all, I don't feel like
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we're getting enough news coverage of it at all. I
don't think they're giving us up details. I do see
videos from members of that congregation, some things that they've
started to put out. I don't know if you know
those have come across your you know, your feed as
much as they would mind at this point because of
those great algorithms. But you know, in the LDS church,
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nobody's paid. The bishop, who's like a pastor in traditional churches,
he's not paid.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
He's a volunteer. He's a dad.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
He may be I don't know, he may work at lows.
He may be an engineer, maybe a doctor. Who knows
he does this on the side part time, and now
he's got this whole congregation that's just in shambles. And
I did watch a video of him this morning, just
speaking from his heart. You know, he's not the best spokesperson.
He wasn't trained to do this or we're paid to
do this, and so he's just talking about their community
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and how they're going to pick the pieces up and
rebuild and come together. What is concerning is the gentleman
that was the shooter, the goot, the shooter, the killer.
What do we want to call him?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
The terrorist? I think we could call him a terrorist
with what he did.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Yeah, the rhetoric that I'm hearing that he was viewing
before the attack is very concerning. I haven't seen proof
of it yet, so I'm going to kind of withhold
my judgment. But yeah, there's an attack on Christians, there's
attack on churches, there's an attack on faith. You know,
what we're seeing in America is good versus evil. And
(15:44):
even when we started mom'ster Liberty, I knew that, like
I knew good versus evil. I get postcards from Satan.
Used to be weekly, now monthly. They're postmarked out of
Colorado by the way, but they're signed by Satan usually
casting Daven's spell and all of these things.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
So I know, oh, this is a good versus evil.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
But what we've seen in the last two and a
half weeks in our country is beyond anything I thought
could happen.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Is it true that the church doesn't allow its congregants
to be armed? And if that is true, you would
you want to see that change.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
So we have a handbook that The one thing about
the Audios Church is it's very well structured. So the
handbook is international. It goes everywhere, so a lot of
times these policies are baseline standards so that everyone can
follow them.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
It does say in the handbook we shouldn't have weapons.
I will tell you that it's not a commandment.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
It doesn't say thou show not to vent yourself and
have a weapon in church. And until they put gun
detectors in and start patting us down on the way in.
I don't know too many people that really follow it,
but yeah, it shouldn't be in there. It's you know,
your right to your First amendment, right to free speech
in freedom of religion is so important, but it's not
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even more important than the second Amendment right that God
gave you to defend yourself, and so for a church
to not allow you to defend yourself.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Is in my opinion right, Yeah, yeah, it's definitely spiritual warfare.
And I don't think that the lack of coverage is
by accident. I think it's by design. It's kind of like,
you know, we're just now, you know, some talking heads
are starting to talk about the slaughtering of Christians in Nigeria,
and that's I mean, it's it's happening all over the world.
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I don't think that America is exempt, and I think
that it's definitely happening here. And I think, yes, we
do get afraid kind of like, you know, you take pause,
you know, like is this worth it? Because you mentioned
that I think Mak and I have done that too.
But then you start thinking, then they win, right, the
double wins if we stop. So you just can't stop.
And so we're glad that you do what you do. Yeah,
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really great.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
How how can people learn more about Moms for Liberty
and especially how can they get involved in the summit
that you have planned for a couple of weeks from now.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
We are so excited about our annual big event is
our Joyful Warrior National Summit.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Last year was DC. The year before was Philadelphia. That
was wild.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
We had thousands of protesters at that event, talk about
it hateful. They came in in Philly and smashed in
the windows of the museum where we had our kickoff,
the Museum of the American Revolution. They spray painted over
the Washington crossing the Delaware mural they had like just
Philly p d was great. We'll give them a shout out.
But this year we're in sunny Orlando, Florida, where we'll
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be safe and secure, probably no protesters, and we're at
the Gaylord, which is like set back and it's all
a great place. Yeah, so we're excited about that. We've
got an amazing lineup and still announcing speakers all the time.
We've got Benny Johnson coming and James O'Keefe, Byron Donalds
and his wife. We've got the Lieutenant Governor of Florida
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and the Attorney General of Florida.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
We've got some asks out.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
To the administration that are still trying to make their
schedules work to come. So it's going to be great.
The breakouts talk about screen time for kids, video games,
cell phones. We're having a huge debate on the main
stage about AI and education. Should we go back to
just books in classics or should we be full force
ahead with technology and AI. We're going to have a
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screening of Fifteen Days, a movie that just came out,
the first live screening.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
That they're going to have that.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I just have a lot going on, and the biggest
thing that we have as our gala dinner, where we
award seven women that are on the frontlines fighting this
and highlight them. There's usually not a dry eye anywhere,
so hopefully maybe you ladies will come down and join us.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
We're very excited.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
About that would be a lot of fun. Where can
people find out more about it? And what are the
dates again?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Can you?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:42):
It's in two weeks October sixteenth through the nineteenth, okay
and galor Palms, Orlando, and they can go to Momsfliberty
dot org Forward Slash Summit twenty five.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Fantastic. Sounds like a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Thank you so much for being with us and catching
us up on what Moms for Liberty is doing. It's
great work that you all do, and we love to
get We love to check in with you from time
to time to get the scoop.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Thanks, love being with you ladies. You guys are fun.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Also, you know we share the same values, so that
makes it but a little bit more fun.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Totally appreciate you spend time with us today. Thank you, Yes,
thank you.
Welcome to another episode of The Chicks on the Right podcast. Today,
we're very excited to have an old friend of the
show back with us. It's Tina discoviaged from Moms for Liberty,
who you may know from spend spending time on a
Florida school board. She's currently working on several nonprofit boards
in her community, all of which support kids. Obviously that's
the cause near and dear to her heart. So we
(00:22):
wanted to catch up with you, Tina and ask you
about some current events.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And we'll kick it off.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
With all this hullabaloo that is happening with this school
superintendent Ian Roberts in Iowa, who we don't even know.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Do we call him doctor Roberts?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Does he even have a degree?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We don't know is named Ian? Like, what's happening?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
He was just arrested, and so we wanted to get
your take on that, especially when it comes to how
in the world he was selected.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah, So, as you said, I was on a school board,
and so I just don't even know how this guy
got his job, because there is such a thorough vetting
process with anyone that's going to be around children nowadays,
of course there is, but for a superintendent of schools.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
There's extra layers of that.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
All of the elected school board members need to be
held accountable for this, and I had mentioned it the
other day. So when I was on the school board
here in Florida, about twice the size of the Des
Moines School district that this is the superintendent of, I
actually used to go into school board meetings hours early
and ask for the personnel files, background checks and everything
(01:30):
on every single leader in the district that we were
voting on. And so we had nine thousand employees, so
it wasn't all the employees I did that for, but
every principle, every vice principle, anybody in leadership, and absolutely
a superintendent candidate. So we used to hire a third
party firm. I think that's what most school districts do.
They do background checks, they do research. They usually have
(01:51):
a pool of candidates that they are constantly checking on
and checking in with, and they move them around, you know,
they all switch through school districts all the time. I
have no idea how this guy got through. Not only
was he an illegal immigrant that they were trying that
had lost his visa, which should have come up immediately,
he also had a weapons charge for two years prior.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Like, it's just mind blowing.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Yep, yeah, I mean he had a loaded gun in
his car when he was arrested. He's like, yeah, he
had been Like they saw him speeding. We had talked
about him speeding earlier, and they just like, oh, it's
fine because he wears flashy colors. What I know, just
the whole story is completely bizarre. I don't know how
this happened either, but it did happen. And so I mean,
I'm looking at this and I'm like, Okay, Like, our schools.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Are in Origi Estate too.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I think that's what always surprises people, right, is it
how does this happen in a conservative area?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Right?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So, we have a very strong chapter in Polk County
that is Des Moines, one of the strongest in the country,
and they are amazing and they have made huge progress
at the state level with legislation, but they have not
had go success with school board elections at all. The
union comes in with ten times more money than we
ever could have and they get behind those candidates in
(03:09):
Des Moines and so we've had no luck there.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
So I'm not surprised in that aspect.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
We've got to get rid of these unions.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Man, and then he's on paid leave even though he's
been arrested and has a deportation. What how does that
even work? Why would the leave be paid, especially because
they revoked his license. Look, some people need to be
held accountable. And I hope the people of Des Moines
wake up and vote for school board members that are
(03:36):
not going to hire an illegal immigrant with weapons charges,
who's speeding and running with a loaded gotten hiding cops.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Yeah, you're welcome for the vacation. Like that's a good
gig if you could get it, My goodness. All right,
So the Fairfax County steff I got, we got to
talk about that.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Okay, your face everything is like I can't even deal.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
It's like welcome to America.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
We're covering our faces talking about this stuff. Okay.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
So Fairfax County has been in the headlines lately over
this because this is a story, and this is just
a subject that's near and dear to my heart because
I have a daughter who is a swimmer, she's a
high school swimmer, and I start seeing all this stuff
where it's like oh men or men, you know, boys
and girls sports, and it's totally Okay, and this is
(04:23):
the narrative.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It's all completely absurd to me.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
But you know, they were this is Fairfax County telling
girls change quickly and when they and they had the
audacity to when girls had the audacity to complain about
having to deal with the boy watching them get undressed
in a locker room. Right, So what's the takeaway here? Like,
what are we talking about? Because I look at this
(04:46):
and I'm like, I didn't think this was supposed to
be happening when Trump got into office, and now we're
still seeing it happening. And I just I think to
myself because I live in Texas, and so the first
thing I think is this wouldn't happen in Texas because
the fathers would take care of it immediately, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yeah, so it makes you wonder about the men in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
The father y.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
On a more serious note, these are Title nine violations.
And yeah, President Trump one of his first, if not
his very first executive order was keeping boys out of
girl sports. We were there at the White House for it.
We had thirty of our moms there with their daughters.
It was like that photo. I don't know if you
guys have seen it. Of the moms and daughters standing
behind him. I was in the crowd just like weeping,
(05:29):
like just watching the girls admiring their moms, because I've
watched them trash their moms maybe the last few years.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Mom, why do you have to speak up? You're embarrassing me.
Stop doing this.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
And then to see that the work that their moms
have been doing brought them to the White House to
stand with the President as he was standing firm on
something as important as Title nine and keeping boys out
of girls spaces and girls sports and so, how.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Is this still happening?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Well, this is how it works in America. It's just
an executive order, and it's wonderful and it's you know,
it's a stake in the ground, but it's it's not
necessary the law of the land long term. There's a
lot of other things that need to happen. Congression, Congress
doing something would be really nice. The States need to
take action too to fortify that. Baalid initiatives potentially is
(06:17):
another great thing we can do in this I know
Colorado's working on one right now, and then it has
to be played out in the courts. You know, we
know what's happening in Fairfax. The DOE has, you know,
laying fines, going to revoke federal funds. But to be honest,
federal funds for school districts is about ten percent, and
Fairfax is the largest school district in Virginia.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
They're very well funded.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
And I don't know that ten percent of their funds,
if that's what they get from the federal government, is
going to make that big of a deal. They may
just say to keep your money and we're going to
keep boys in the locker rooms. And so then then
there has to be you know, lawsuits from the parents
and getting the kids to stand up and the parents
to stand up with the pressure and the attacks. And
you know, the trans world is not kind. They are ruthless,
(06:58):
they are they are terrible. Often they've treated us what
they've done to us in our organization. And obviously we
know what happened with Charlie and others like it's it's
nothing to play around with. And so the courage it
takes for these families to stand up is exceptional.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, I'd like to know where where are the feminists?
Where are they? Yeah, we've become the feminist ladies.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I was just gonna say, ladies, we're the feminists now right,
That's right?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, do you think that Do you think that the
election for governor in Virginia, I mean, do you think
there's hope that we can see a win some sears
win or not, because I feel like that will make
a huge difference in what's going on in Virginia schools,
which seems to still be so problematic.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Yeah, when some is standing firm in the right place
and on the right side of this issue, she's speaking
very vocally about it. Everything I've seen is she's down
in the polls a few points. But you know what,
do you believe Poles? I don't believe Poles. Polls told
me that Romney was going to win. Poles told me
Trump was going to lose. Polls to like, don't believe
the polls. You you know, keep team win some keep
(08:06):
it up, file forward, knock every door you can knock,
get every vote you can get, and let's shock the
polls and get her elected in Virginia.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
I totally agree with you on the polls. And we
just and I'm pushing her like we're putting her out
on our social media too, because we just we love her.
We think she's fantastic. So I'm I'm curious what you
think about all this the cell phone stuff because my
daughter I'm in Texas, like I said, and they cannot
have cell phones in school. There's a part of me
as a mom where I'm like, I'm so I was
(08:35):
so used to her having a cell phone. So you know,
she does sports after school and all that kind of stuff.
So every once in a while, I'll be like, I
can't get in touch with her if she has X
or I need to get her to a doctor's appointment
or whatever. Sometimes it can be a little inconvenient as
a parent. But at the same time, I think that
not having phones in the classroom is a wonderful thing
because I'm a gen xer and I remember the days
(08:57):
of your when we didn't have phones all the time,
and that was a good thing for us as a society.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
So what is your view on this.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Well, you know, just to go back to us being
a little bit older when there were no cell phones.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I am grateful for that.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
I can't imagine the things that would have been caught
on camera in high school, even junior highway that would
be coming out now all over the New York Times
in my case, like what she did when she was fourteen.
So in that aspect, allelujah our organization. I would say
our moms are very divided. We have a lot of
chapters and moms that wholeheartedly support like banning them outright
(09:37):
anywhere near campus, and then we have other moms that say,
absolutely not the stuff that's going on in classrooms right
now between radical teachers and safety, you know, just getting
beat up, chairs flying, all kinds of things are happening
in schools all the way up to school shootings, and
so I'd say we're very divided as a whole. My
(09:58):
personal opinion is I've seen plenty of teachers that have
check your phone at the door, and so I think,
in my opinion, kids should be allowed to have their
phones with strong parameters and rules in the hallway. Sure,
lunch maybe, uh probably lunch y af before and after
school on campus. Sure, absolutely, you've got sports. You got
(10:20):
to be picked up at eight pm after cheerleading practice.
And you know, I remember those days in middle school
standing outside in front of the school in the dark,
all by myself, waiting for my mom to show up after.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Her third job.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
You know, A phone would have been really great then
and so, but in the classroom actively without without the
teacher using it for some reason.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Check them at the door with.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
A box or a bucket or you know whatever. Some
teachers get real creative and have charging stations at the door,
like plug it in and charge it, like offer you
a free service so that you know you'll want to
check it.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
At the door.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, but obviously, like how hard is it to like
even I mean even in cases because to your point,
when stuff is going bad in a classroom where you
can got like some crazy teacher or there's a fight
that breaks out, I would be on I mean, my
kid's out of school at this point, he's in college,
but like I would want to I would want my
kid to be able to capture that if necessary. And
(11:12):
why can't a teacher just simply say your phones stay
in your backpack for the duration of this class and
just monitor that and discipline kids who don't abide by that.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But if there's if there's.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
A reason all of a sudden for a kid to
need to record something, I kind of want them to
be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I guess that's where I stand on it.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I'm not ready to pull them away entirely or even
necessarily have them across the room. There just needs to
be better discipline in the moment.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
And to your point, Mock, I think in high school
the rule should be a little bit different than say
middle school or elementary school, because you know, like my
daughter is a sophomore in high school and she's going
to be in college in three years, and so they're
going to have full autonomy. And I think what they're
doing is they're making these kids feel younger than they are,
and they're taking away freedoms rather than saying, here are freedoms,
(12:03):
but you need to have parameters, like you said, to
those freedoms, respect that or you will be punished. I
think that would be a better way to handle it,
especially at the high school level.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, I like that. I like that idea a loto.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
One more question because before we ask you about the
summit that you have coming up, because that's exciting, that's
in a couple of weeks. One more thing, because I
know that this is something that's near and dear to
you as being part of the Mormon.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Community, this attack on this Michigan church.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I know you've been posting a lot about it on
X and I'm just I mean, I'm curious, like what
you've learned that we may not know yet, even about
the attacker himself. Do you believe that there is a
concerted attack on Christians in the country right now?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yeah, of course this has been really challenging for me.
It started obviously with Charlie Kirk's assassination. He holds the
political beliefs that you all have and I have close.
That's what he was speaking about and standing for, and
so you go through this whole mental gymnastics of they
want me dead too.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I believe the.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Same things I'm saying the same things. You know, we
get you guys probably get it too. You're so out
their threats and hate all the things.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
About you guys, but I'm always like, eh, whatever, whatever, whatever,
keyboard warriors, people sending stuff in the mail, even the
phone calls, take it, FBI, take it police.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I'm just going to keep going and doing.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
But with Charlie, it was like that was very, very
brazen and very close to home, and so you know,
I'm still trying to get over that, like the rest
of the country. And then Sunday was it was just
a little too much for me because now it's people
that have my religious beliefs too, not just assassinated in public,
but shot and burned alive, basically, you know, burn the
(13:51):
church to the ground. And so you know, you have
to do a lot of is it all worth it?
You know, you go through this whole mindset of of
what you guys are speaking out and vocal to is
what we're doing and standing for worth it? And so
do I have any more information than you? Unfortunately know
what you're seeing. First of all, I don't feel like
(14:12):
we're getting enough news coverage of it at all. I
don't think they're giving us up details. I do see
videos from members of that congregation, some things that they've
started to put out. I don't know if you know
those have come across your you know, your feed as
much as they would mind at this point because of
those great algorithms. But you know, in the LDS church,
(14:36):
nobody's paid. The bishop, who's like a pastor in traditional churches,
he's not paid.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
He's a volunteer. He's a dad.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
He may be I don't know, he may work at lows.
He may be an engineer, maybe a doctor. Who knows
he does this on the side part time, and now
he's got this whole congregation that's just in shambles. And
I did watch a video of him this morning, just
speaking from his heart. You know, he's not the best spokesperson.
He wasn't trained to do this or we're paid to
do this, and so he's just talking about their community
(15:03):
and how they're going to pick the pieces up and
rebuild and come together. What is concerning is the gentleman
that was the shooter, the goot, the shooter, the killer.
What do we want to call him?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
The terrorist? I think we could call him a terrorist
with what he did.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Yeah, the rhetoric that I'm hearing that he was viewing
before the attack is very concerning. I haven't seen proof
of it yet, so I'm going to kind of withhold
my judgment. But yeah, there's an attack on Christians, there's
attack on churches, there's an attack on faith. You know,
what we're seeing in America is good versus evil. And
(15:44):
even when we started mom'ster Liberty, I knew that, like
I knew good versus evil. I get postcards from Satan.
Used to be weekly, now monthly. They're postmarked out of
Colorado by the way, but they're signed by Satan usually
casting Daven's spell and all of these things.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
So I know, oh, this is a good versus evil.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
But what we've seen in the last two and a
half weeks in our country is beyond anything I thought
could happen.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Is it true that the church doesn't allow its congregants
to be armed? And if that is true, you would
you want to see that change.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
So we have a handbook that The one thing about
the Audios Church is it's very well structured. So the
handbook is international. It goes everywhere, so a lot of
times these policies are baseline standards so that everyone can
follow them.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
It does say in the handbook we shouldn't have weapons.
I will tell you that it's not a commandment.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
It doesn't say thou show not to vent yourself and
have a weapon in church. And until they put gun
detectors in and start patting us down on the way in.
I don't know too many people that really follow it,
but yeah, it shouldn't be in there. It's you know,
your right to your First amendment, right to free speech
in freedom of religion is so important, but it's not
(17:00):
even more important than the second Amendment right that God
gave you to defend yourself, and so for a church
to not allow you to defend yourself.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Is in my opinion right, Yeah, yeah, it's definitely spiritual warfare.
And I don't think that the lack of coverage is
by accident. I think it's by design. It's kind of like,
you know, we're just now, you know, some talking heads
are starting to talk about the slaughtering of Christians in Nigeria,
and that's I mean, it's it's happening all over the world.
(17:28):
I don't think that America is exempt, and I think
that it's definitely happening here. And I think, yes, we
do get afraid kind of like, you know, you take pause,
you know, like is this worth it? Because you mentioned
that I think Mak and I have done that too.
But then you start thinking, then they win, right, the
double wins if we stop. So you just can't stop.
And so we're glad that you do what you do. Yeah,
(17:50):
really great.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
How how can people learn more about Moms for Liberty
and especially how can they get involved in the summit
that you have planned for a couple of weeks from now.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
We are so excited about our annual big event is
our Joyful Warrior National Summit.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Last year was DC. The year before was Philadelphia. That
was wild.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
We had thousands of protesters at that event, talk about
it hateful. They came in in Philly and smashed in
the windows of the museum where we had our kickoff,
the Museum of the American Revolution. They spray painted over
the Washington crossing the Delaware mural they had like just
Philly p d was great. We'll give them a shout out.
But this year we're in sunny Orlando, Florida, where we'll
(18:29):
be safe and secure, probably no protesters, and we're at
the Gaylord, which is like set back and it's all
a great place. Yeah, so we're excited about that. We've
got an amazing lineup and still announcing speakers all the time.
We've got Benny Johnson coming and James O'Keefe, Byron Donalds
and his wife. We've got the Lieutenant Governor of Florida
(18:49):
and the Attorney General of Florida.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
We've got some asks out.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
To the administration that are still trying to make their
schedules work to come. So it's going to be great.
The breakouts talk about screen time for kids, video games,
cell phones. We're having a huge debate on the main
stage about AI and education. Should we go back to
just books in classics or should we be full force
ahead with technology and AI. We're going to have a
(19:15):
screening of Fifteen Days, a movie that just came out,
the first live screening.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
That they're going to have that.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I just have a lot going on, and the biggest
thing that we have as our gala dinner, where we
award seven women that are on the frontlines fighting this
and highlight them. There's usually not a dry eye anywhere,
so hopefully maybe you ladies will come down and join us.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
We're very excited.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
About that would be a lot of fun. Where can
people find out more about it? And what are the
dates again?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Can you?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:42):
It's in two weeks October sixteenth through the nineteenth, okay
and galor Palms, Orlando, and they can go to Momsfliberty
dot org Forward Slash Summit twenty five.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Fantastic. Sounds like a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Thank you so much for being with us and catching
us up on what Moms for Liberty is doing. It's
great work that you all do, and we love to
get We love to check in with you from time
to time to get the scoop.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Thanks, love being with you ladies. You guys are fun.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Also, you know we share the same values, so that
makes it but a little bit more fun.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Totally appreciate you spend time with us today. Thank you, Yes,
thank you.
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