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Chip and Tez do the whole show in one take with no breaks and it still was 2.5 hours! Lil marco is impostered, florida loses in court, and taco tariffs. Grok becomes a full on Nazi, and of course headlines. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
You know.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
It is nine thirty on a Thursday night and you
were tuned into that way radio and beyond, which can
mean one only thing. This is Chipchad, Welcome to chip
Chat everybody. I'm Chip.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Who are you, Tess? You just told him, buddy.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Uh So this is very impressive.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
We want to just say that what we're doing right
now is unprecedented it in the decade of chip chat
history that our producer Brian is in a secret location
and he is running this show without being able to
hear us. So the fact that he's able to keep

(01:16):
this kind of timing is remarkable, and forgive us if
it doesn't go smooth, but he is he is.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Off doing something far more important. So but he's still
He's still here because Brian is gamer and and he
means it you know or something. I don't know. What
do you think about that test? He's like, uh, you know, committed.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
He makes sure the show starts on time. It happens
without him.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
What will we be.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
It's talking into microphones and we're still.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
The hopefully you know, it's always good that we have
our three listeners, that's right, including Brian.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
So we were supposed to have a guest h Tonight
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(02:30):
probably like the show.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
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them another time. All right.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Uh, Yeah, we got a whole bunch of stuff. This
is a very newsy week, right, We've got we're yeah,
we're gonna have We're gonna have headlines. I'm gonna let
you know in advance. These are not all winners. And
it's mostly because there wasn't a lot to laugh at.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
It was not much to laugh at that you tried.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
I tried. I did my best.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
We're gonna do a whole section on the taco tariffs
because this is this is important and as everybody knows,
this show wishes it was marketplace.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah we uh.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
And fortunately, because tes is a technology.

Speaker 6 (03:17):
Genius and a Twitter genius, we are gonna be able
to ask him to explain this incredible thing that happened
this week over on the Bird app with the Grock
are we're saying that.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Right, is it? I think it's Grock. I'm pretty sure
it's Grock.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Okay, just sounds bad Grock, Grock. Yeah, you know, yeah,
I don't know everything about Helon sounds weird show.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
So Grock became an actual Nazi mecha hitler, I think
is what it called itself this week.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
So we're gonna mecha Elmo. So we're going to.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Find out how much ketamine it takes to turn a
robot into a Nazi.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
But maybe you just like wave a magnet around next
to it and scramble its brain and then it does this.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
His brain not already scrambled.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Well, yeah, that's what we're going to talk about. So,
plus there's a whole bunch of other stuff. The State
Department's falling apart.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Turns out that uh FEMA without people is batter at
its job and not helping people in Texas.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Children washed away, you know, children washed away.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
I mean it's just like gunned down by another child.
Same thing. It's all fine in America. It's what we
do around here. Also, let's just get this out of
the way. The flooding in Texas is terrible and sad.
We're very very sad about this, especially desperience.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
It's devastating, crazy, so.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
In the camp and you think, you don't think that's
the last time you're seeing your fucking kids when you
send them the fucking camp.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Right and every time, and you know when you when
you go drop.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Them off, Like I went to sleep away camp, I know,
especially when I was like really young. You know, you
feel sad and homesick and all that stuff, and your
parents are like, no, no, you're gonna have fun.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
It's gonna be great. And you do have fun and
it is great, but like imagine them assuring you of
that and then that you're safe, right yeah, and that
you're safe. That doesn't even cross your mind, and then
this flood happens and you're like, they told me I
was gonna be fun, and you know, it's so sad.

(05:38):
So we're not we're not making light of that situation
at all.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
But when we do get to the part of the
show where we're going to talk about that a little bit,
we just want to be clear that when what we're
being critical of is that it didn't need to be
this bad because there were things that could have been done,
that should have been done, or that used to be
in place, and then those things were undone this and

(06:03):
it made it worse.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
So and when I'm saying that this couldn't happen, because
like climate change is is baked in right now and
there'll be more of these, but the response has been
hampered by deliberate actions there and.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
The warning the lack of warning, you know, and so right,
but the climate change is real, that this is happening. Yeah,
these are the things that TES and others have been
warning us about forever, and everybody tells them, no, shut up,
and I guarantee it.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Now in Texas and everywhere else that voted for more
climate disaster, they're looking at this and going, oh, well,
this is clearly not climate change. It's clearly just God's
will or something.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Right, I think prediction of the weather and alerts. You
can even see this now. I mean last Sunday there
was no rain on the forecast at all, and when
I was outside and I'm looking up at the clouds
and I'm like, that's clearly rain clouds that are making
their way here. And even upon it starting to like
the torrential downpour.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
There's still was no updates.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
From in these apps and all that comes from the
National Weather Service.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
But it's clear.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
It's clear that the defunding of these UH services is
having a real impact. And that's on a small level. Again,
the flood is just like the warning signs. For that
to not necessarily be heated or even happened is just outrageous. So,
I mean, I don't know, so we just.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Wanted that's like the big caveat here. Probably hit that
again when we talk.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Anyway, Okay, so that's what's gonna happen in the show.
It's gonna be wild. Yeah, do you have do you
have a word?

Speaker 1 (07:50):
M I've got word? Do you have a word? Uh?
Thinking about it? I got one? Okay, it's not a
good one.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Uh And since Brian can't hear us, we'll see if
uh you can read this.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
All right?

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Uh So sit back, grab some It's w n B
a time. You're listening to the best show, the only
show chip Chat on BELTWEGH radio and beyond swept go
no break, that's where the break would be.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Okay, this is this is the faster than the break
last week.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Right, Yeah, Connor is like super off card. It also
means he can't throw us like with a weird AI thing.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
Yeah, all right, so that's fine. This might be a
shorter show tonight. Maybe it will be extra long.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
That was the break. Okay, headlines, headlines. Now you're going
to do some headlines. This is where you would say
this thing. It would say it would say headaching headlines
right at the bottom of your screen. Right there. That's
where you sure imagine it there it is. Okay, in
your mind's eye, you see the graphic. So that's great. Okay,

(09:15):
do you want to take the first one there? Now
you can have the first Oh you counted ahead or something.
You're getting good at this height.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
The tariff pause, Trump paused the terriffs again was celebrated
all over the world. On McDonald Island, the penguins partied
with lots of fish and a banner that read fuck
Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
The flooding in Texas is devastating and the people of
Texas need help, So naturally, Ted Cruz was in Greece
celebrating the fourth of July like a real Canadian.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
That is true. That is true.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Donald Trump used an expletive when referring to Vladimir Putin,
and this time it wasn't followed by an offer to
polish that expletive.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
Crazy Trump told reporters that he was sending more defensive
weapons to Ukraine and that he had no idea who
Pete Hedge was or why he had put a pause
on those same weapons shipments.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
That's some bombshell reporting. It seems to have kind of
fizzled a little bit.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
But we're gonna yea very yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
We're gonna dig into that a little bit. Interestingly, all right,
this is why you counted ahead. I practiced this a
few times. It's still gonna be bad. You ready, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Interestingly, pickled Pete paused the Patriot projectiles because his titillating
apple teeny was a teeny tiny bit tardy touching his tongue,
causing chaos in the cabin where the couch fucker Vance
was cussing at his cousin for being too cute.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
Spottle red like a champion. Impressive, very impressive. Elon announced
that his new political party would be called the American Party,
probably because the party in the USA was already taken
by Miley Service. Correct two system part of baby.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yep Attorney general and woman who likes to tell people
that bon Jovi signed her tits. Pam Bondi renegged on
her promise to release the Epstein client list, claiming that
like her legal career, it never existed.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
No, that's low.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
Right wing magotypes were furious about the list not being
released and threatened to protest the d O J just
as soon as JFK.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Junior arrives in Dallas.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Jesus Christ. Yeah, the split on the right is really
kind of funny. Who would have thought that a movement
based on self interest and grifting would ever turn on itself?
Who knew?

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Who would have guessed? What? Crazy?

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Certainly not this show predicting thing.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
You predicting nothing here.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
Steve Bannon attacked the Trump administration for backing down on
deporting farm workers, claiming that they are real criminals who
keep sneaking into his house and making him eat vegetables.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Four Canadian residents, including active members of the country's military,
were arrested in an alleged arm plot to take over
land in the Quebec area. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police
said on Tuesday. The individuals all in their twenties and
thirties are accused of stockpiling an extensive arsenal of more
than a dozen explosives, eighty three firearms and accessories, high

(12:27):
capacity magazines, and roughly eleven thousand rounds of ammunition which
the authority sees. In January of twenty twenty four, Americans
were stunned to learn that Canada had four people in it.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
That's so many weapons and so much ammunition. They need
to close the border because it's only clear what this
is coming from.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Now that much though, Like it's funny because it's a
lot like maybe by their standards, yes, by American militia
accelerationists standards. This is boy scout stop.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yes, I'm just saying that. The fact that I have.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Eleven thousand rounds in my house and I don't even
have any weapons, pose.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
The border off. Stop the ship from coming across into
the lovely Canada.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
An Australian woman was convicted of using poisonous mushrooms and
beef wellington to kill her in laws, whereas it was
still overcooked in a little dry Yes, that's that's how
you killed me. It's clearly how you even killing me.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
I think the real crime is overcooking beef. Like, can
we have that conversation that well done steak is a
crime against all humanity?

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, it's very uh disgusting.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Who does that? You know?

Speaker 4 (13:44):
And it's like, I know Trump does. He likes his
steaks well done with ketchup. And that's that right there
is why I'm surprised anybody in Texas voted for disqualify.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, how where do you? How far do you like
your steak?

Speaker 5 (14:00):
I am more on it. This is probably like the
Italian in me. I'm more like the medium rare. I'm
close to there, I think, yeah, which I'm pretty sure
that comes from my father, definitely. He wasn't really a
big steak person, but he used to say he found
it disgusting that people were eating He said that, you say,
the cow isn't even fucking dead yet and they're just
eating it.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
I was like, I don't know, I kind of like,
you know, yeah, I kind of like that medium rare.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
It was very delicious, especially if it's like a good
good steak steak spot. I don't I'm not even fucking
with medium, because then you might get to know you're
already risking, you're already risking it. Yeah at that point
good good on medium rare. Yeah, I'll be from now
sometimes time medium rare to rare. I you know, if
I can get it still moving, I'll take it. That's

(14:44):
what I was just gonna say. That is the That
was the lie of cow still moving on there eating it.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Well I like it that way.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
And uh, you know, I also like, somebody posted a
picture this week and it was the picture of a cow,
and then it was there was a picture of a bison,
and one was like, this is a cow, and then
the other one was like, this is a tactical salt cow.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
I was like, they're both delicious.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yes, yeah, I love bison. Oh it's so good.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Right, So, like I go to the zoo and threaten
the animals, you know, and now my kids do that,
or at least my oldest one is like yelling at
the bison, come here.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Come here, plastic fourk in hand.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah, oh she's ready. She's like, give me a peace.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
So I feel like that's a parenting wind.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Delightful animal.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, delicious animal, and unlike other animals, it fights back.
So like you're eating bison, it's because you won, you know,
you earned it every year, every year without fail, like
from the minute Yellowstone opens.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
Yeah, there's always there's always a few stories of the
Bison's just taking motherfuckers out.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
It's like how long from park open to to Goring incident?
And you know the over under is like a week.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Leave them alone, leave them alone, stay away.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
It's better kill you like, leave them alone.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, that is a food that fights back, like unless
you're out there with a thirty odd six right like
and still act under yards.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, and it still might keep you know.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Charging, Yeah, just leave them alone. All right?

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Speaking of food, We're gonna go on, uh to the
taco tariffs. Now before we get too far into this,
we have a few background bits of information that we
need to explain. One is why we're calling them taco
And the nearest we can explain this is that, Okay,

(17:00):
there's a guy who works for the Financial Times, right,
which is I don't know how to what do you.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Want to call call them?

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Uh Tory bullshit newspaper? Is that is that like the
right word?

Speaker 5 (17:13):
Yeah, I mean it's the the equivalent probably the Wall
Street Journal maybe.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, they're like the uh, the most important thing in
the world is making.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Money, Yes, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
And and human rights be damned, and like, you know, distribution.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
Different from the economists, the different different from me, but
they're still all kind of in like there, I feel
like the economist has a little more.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's it's less.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, the economist is is more.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
I mean, it's not great, it's not I'm not going.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
To let's not go out there and defend them as
a publication of of human rights and free.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
There's a couple of good articles from time to time,
and there same with the Wall Street Journal too. I know,
I'm just saying the new the reporting from them sometimes
can be spot on.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Oh, the reporting in Wall Street Journal is totally separate.
And reporting in Financial Times also totally legitimate. But the
editorial stuff is like.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
I agree with a lot of things they say.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah, and and like I don't want to speak for you,
but I'm I'm a relatively free market sort of a person.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
Sing but not to their level. No, I mean, but
the free market needs regulation.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
It needs regulation, and it needs.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
To be a floor for the poor. And no one
wants to hear that.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
But right, and a well regulated free market makes more
money for everybody.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, yes, that that's anyway that We have.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
So many examples of that, like post War America for example.
So any so, the Financial Times has been covering the
terriffs that Trump announced in April that he called Liberation
Day tariffs. And the thing is that Trump has consistently,

(19:14):
even back to his first term, he likes to keep
moving the timeline, moving the deadline for when things are
gonna take place, because until he's got a deal, he doesn't.
So he'll say like, this is when it's gonna happen,
and then because he can't get it to happen like
the way he wants it, at that point, they'll just
move the deadline further out.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
It's me hitting the snooze button when I'm trying to
get up exactly.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
It's that, I'll be yock, we're not getting up now.
We're gonna push it out a little further. Nine more minutes,
nine more minutes. Not a way to run an economy.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Right, Not not a way to run the economy at all.
But because he kept happening with such frequency and the
traders in you know, London or on Wall Street were
reacting to this, he needed a way to describe, vibe
this thing that kept happening.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Other than a long, complicated extra paragraph of this, right,
And so he described the mood on Wall Street and
the method of trading as taco Trump always chickens out right.
And the idea here is that the traders know that
when he says he's going to do something, or he
sets the deadline, just wait a little bit longer and

(20:24):
he'll undo it.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
And that's why we only seen for the most part
that one huge market hit the first time he announces
this in April, because everybody was scared shitless. But then
as we go forward two to three months that, no,
it's already baked in at this point, No one's afraid
of these things at all. You can see because the
market is doing very well, right because traders are they're

(20:46):
still trading. It is not the tariff effect has not
yet been felt.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Well, the tariff effect is happening, but it's happening at
a slow burn. That it was calculated today that the
net effect of tariff on US imports currently is a
little north of seventeen percent. And that's accounting for the
steel and aluminium and now the copper that's getting added
and and like a few other things. But and that's
record high. It hasn't been that high since the thirties.

(21:13):
So but but it hasn't happened at a shock And
to your point, like, just because Trump is issuing proclamations
or whatever he calls them, letters that are damaging to
the real economy doesn't mean that traders can't make bets

(21:34):
on both sides of that and make money at it.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
So, you know, again, as kyrist All likes to say,
the stock market is not the economy, and you need
to take a wider view. You need to pay attention
to other other indicators, whether it's bond market's yield curves,
just the overall you know, exchange rate of currencies, the
how much currencies of different kinds of countries are holding,

(21:59):
you know what, the.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
What the market is taking a beating?

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, right, what does that mean? You know, like all
of these things. So anyway, that's why there's this word taco.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Okay, the other things that that are like important for
this conversation. The background is that there's really two kinds
of tariffs that we're talking about here. One is the
terrorists that you might be sort of more used to,
which happened under Section two thirty two of the of
the Code and these are basically national security tariffs. The Congress,

(22:31):
you would think, oh, a tariff is a tax, right.
Article one says Congress can impose taxes and Article two
cannot impose it. That's true, But Congress delegated the ability
to impose teriffs for the purpose of national security to
the executive branch.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
A long time ago, which makes sense, and it's right.
It's not very controversial, and it's about things that, like,
you know, there's certain industries, certain materials, certain things that
we produced in this country that if we were dependent
on another source, would be dangerous for our national security.

(23:09):
You could think of like steel, right, if we got
to make thanks, we need steel, okay, Pharmaceuticals, drugs, certain
kinds of things. We need to be able to have
some of that here in case the supply lines get
disrupted and we need it, you know, all of that
kind of stuff. So when when Trump issues tariffs under

(23:29):
Section two thirty two, they might be ridiculous, they might
be based on kind of nothing, but they're not legally dubious.
There they're more sound. Then there is this other law
that Congress passed, which is AIPA, which is the International

(23:53):
Emergency Something Protection Act, And basically that is a more
extraordinary situation and that doesn't involve any tariffs. The law
as written doesn't use the word tariff. It says that
the president can do things to deal with out that's
the word it says in there, deal with outside threats.

(24:15):
And generally this is like.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
How the president can impose sanctions on other countries, you know,
financial sanctions on other countries, you know. And again you
might think, like, oh, is that attacks, Like if the
federal government is going to collect money for people doing things,
or if they're going to block financial access, like wouldn't
that take an Act of Congress delegated that authority to

(24:43):
the executive In most cases, once sanctions get imposed by
the executive branch, they usually are able to go to
Congress and codify that through an Act of Congress to
like make it solid in case anybody wants to challenge it.
But in this case, Trump's using AEPA to put tariffs

(25:07):
on countries that there's not a national security issue at all.
There is no emergency going on, there's no invasion or anything.
This is where he's claiming that there's an invasion when
there isn't. He's claiming that the federal crisis is part
of this. He's claiming all of these things that are
not actually happening. And so those tariffs, the AEPA claims,

(25:33):
they are being challenged in court, and so far the
courts basically have said they're illegal, and the Court for
International Trade cit ruled against the Trump administration for this,
but that is currently being appealed.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
So that's where we stand with those. Now when we're
talking about these IEPA terriffs, we're talking about them as
if they are an effect or as if they could
go into effect, because until the courts knock that shit
out right, we have to assume that it's it's happening.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
That is the load of background stuff for us to
then talk about and make fun of a very stupid thing.
Now you're in. Now you're in on the job.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
So here's first thing. Trump cranked up the pressure Monday
on America's trading partners, firing off letters to heads of
several countries. He doesn't write letters informing them of their
new tariff rate. But at the same time, Trump took
out some of the edge by signing an executive action
Monday to extend the date for all reciprocal tariffs with

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the exception of China to August first. So these are
the Liberation Day tariffs. He remember you. He told us
that he was gonna have.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Ninety deals in ninety days and he announced it with
that like big cardboard thing where he was like pulling
the slips out like it was you know, the Letterman
show or whatever, and and it was it was very
very very stupid, right, And so then he announced those things,
and the reporters asked him at this cabinet meeting, like,

(27:08):
are you sure that's the deadline, because you said that
July ninth was gonna be the deadline, and he goes,
I would say it's firm, but not one hundred percent firm.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
If they call up and they would like to do
something a different way, we're going to be open to that.
So taco time, right, And then he also said that
listen to the list Trump and down. Similar letters were
sent for these taps to Malaysia, Kazakhstan, South Africa, Me

(27:41):
and Mar which is Burma, and Laos. The highest trade
raty threatened was forty percent on goods from Me and
Mar and Laos. When is the last time you bought
anything that said made.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
In me and mar I never.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Never. They don't make anything there. They're in the middle
of several civil wars.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah, no one's making anything.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
No, they're making dead Burmese people, is what they're making.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Like, there's no rhyme or reason to this, there's none.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
And and so since some of the reporters were like,
where did you get these numbers for like for all that,
and he goes, we have a very good process. It's yes, yeah,
look at there's Later he sent letters to Tunisia, Bosnia
which got a thirty, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Serbia, Cambodia, and Thailand. Okay, now,

(28:39):
look I buy things that might be made in Bangladesh, right,
Clothes A lot of those are in.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Bangladesh, Thailand, you see some of that. Cambodia. I don't
know what's made in Serbia. Not much tennis players, I guess.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
I would say, isn't it. What's then from there? Djokovic? Right,
I don't know, big people.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, what are they making in Bosnia? What's last in
your Bosnia?

Speaker 1 (29:06):
In the news in the late nineties.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
In the nineties during their war, exactly did a tariff
on snipers in Sarajeva.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
I just don't unders like.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
There's no economic plan, but he out it almost this
is all a show, right, this is all it's for. Right,
It's just and I don't even know if this drives
his base, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
I don't like.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
I don't this doesn't feel like the issues that they
might care about. I mean, maybe you can around China,
maybe you can kind of wrap it and say, hey,
we're being tough on China with these, but for all
these other countries, it's very stupid, like and I just
don't know how and speaking you spoke at Marketplace, right,
they were talking about was the era of free trade

(29:56):
over with?

Speaker 1 (29:57):
And I don't think.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
So, right, don't think if that's necessarily because these other
countries will still trade with each other, right, yeah, And
but maybe in America, I guess, I don't know. It's
it's just odd because once what globalism is out of
the box, now you're not bringing it back in rights.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
It's over with. Like the way this stuff works is just.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
It's you're not putting the toothpaste back in the fucking
in the toothpaste dispenser. You can't put excuse me, it's difficult, right,
there for me.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
No, I'm very confused by this, But eventually, can you
do this for four years?

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Maybe, I mean one of the things that was kind
of interesting. Okay, there is no rhyme or reason to it,
that's clear.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
How it affects his base, you know, I think a
lot of his base if you ask them where.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Mar is or what Bosnia is, they're gonna be like,
I don't know. So they don't they don't really understand this,
and and they probably are working on the well of
Trump's doing and it must be smart, you know, kind
of kind of thing. And you know, I've not heard
of an industry that felt like they were under threat

(31:21):
from Kazakhstan and they're like, yeah, those Kazakhs are just
out competing us on labor all the time, and we
desperately need a tariff. Like, I don't know what they
make in Kazakhstan that they're good at. Yeah, I assume
they have a lot of extractive industry and you know,
maybe energy. But again, it just doesn't it really just

(31:45):
doesn't make sense. I don't know anybody who's clamoring for
like the garment mills of Bangladesh to come stateside, you know,
as are. Our good friend Receuirez points out, like they're
making clothes and Mauritius because it's cheaper to make them
in Mauritius and ship them everywhere. And could you imagine
the pay rate? You know, what the value of these

(32:08):
products are that they're making in these low wage countries.
They're so so low that that's why they're making them there.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
So I don't know, I mean, I just don't see
how that really like affects his base in any sort
of positive way. But I was listening to a thing today,
I think it was The Daily, and I think it
was Maggie Haberman who was explaining this that it kind
of doesn't matter because one of the things about the
Trunk cult is that like he can do anything and

(32:42):
then tell them he's doing something else or make some
explanation for it or whatever, and they will just immediately
accept that. So if he tells them, like if he goes,
I'm putting tariffs on Tunisia, and they go, what's a
Tunisia and he goes, don't worry about it, And then
it turns out that these things cause enough market disruption

(33:04):
that those guys can't sell their soyblings, right, that's who
his base is, or that they they you know, the
factories that they work in close because the steel is
too expensive for them to print the widgets out of.
He'll just tell them that Joe Biden did it, and
they'll be like, yeah, of course Joe Biden did it.
That's why I don't have a job. And then they

(33:25):
will not learn anything from this, and they'll just repeat
the same mistake over and over again.

Speaker 5 (33:31):
I think the economy always will still fall on the president,
and maybe you're right for some of the base there,
but I don't think that's.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Going to be the case for everybody in his base.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
I think specifically around farmers, I think that's a community
that if they don't necessarily get support from the government,
that they can easily be frustrated and upset.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
We've said that in terms of the immigration stuff, right,
the farmers cried out and said, hey, you're taking all
of our workers. Trump immediately capitulated and was like, oh, well,
we're going to change the tack on that.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
And then Millard Bannon loss exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
So because.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
He he benefits specifically around the immigration stuff, right, he
benefits hugely from that, right, So and all the businesses
that he has and what is like, right, the properties
he owns, it's all staffed by a certain set of people.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
So yeah, it's but yeah, back to the tariffs.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
I just it's I guess, how do we How does
this continue for another four years? I don't Eventually there
needs Eventually there's going to be some type of breaking point.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Well, I think the thing that you said earlier about
the global uh trade stuff is the key here because
I think that you know, if the free trade regime
that the Americans created basically for ourselves, right, you know,
if if Trump cuts us out of it, it's not

(35:04):
gonna stop. So it's it.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
I don't really see this as like so much of
Trump knocking out the world economy. It's just about taking
America out of it. And and you you don't just
rewire the whole.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
They can't. They can't. And you know, it might take
a while, but eventually, you know, the other big players,
whether it's China, whether it's the EU, whether it's the
bricks countries, you know, there there are other groups of
people with the resources and capabilities to create an alternative
system that does not flow through New York or San Francisco,

(35:46):
and it will take time to stand it up. You know,
you may see some weird uh new like mechanisms for
some of this, right, maybe things aren't all traded on
the new stocking change. Maybe there is more going on
on the decks, Maybe there is more going on on
the knee k like. You might see that kind of happening.

(36:08):
You might see the default currency of oil become the
pound sterling or the rendal beat or something like insane.
But it could happen.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
And when it does, what that's telling you is that
the American century is over.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, and I would.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Prefer that the American century lasts several thousand years because
I think it's good for us, you know, as Americans.
But I also, honestly, and this is probably you know,
my American exceptionalism and the way I was brought up
in what I'm exposed to, But I do think that
the American free trade system that we've imposed on the

(36:49):
rest of the world is sort of a net benefit
for everybody.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
I even the way that it exploits labor in low
aged countries, it's it's continuously shifting the labor down the
scale until there is nothing at the bottom and then
it's bringing it up. So like all the way down
the socioeconomic ladder or the you know, cost a living ladder,

(37:15):
whatever you want to call it, Like the American free
trade system is a net benefit to the world, and
that's why they all are going to continue it even
if we quit, right.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
Yeah, I guess the only pushback I'd have on that
is that in enabling this free trade, no one really
thought about the side effects, and it was no plan
for those people who were like drastically hurt. And I
think that's why we're in the position we are now,
because those.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Individuals I mean, right, And I don't think it's those things.
These aren't lies.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
There are towns that are no longer there that getting
right factory disappears, and I don't think that that method
could have continued, right right. I think it just things changed.
We became a service based economy, right, it changes. But
I don't know if we gave a helping hand back
to our thing about free markets and having heavy regulation.

(38:11):
There should have been something for those individuals not only
to do or to learn skill wise, but like to
bring them into newer economies because a lot of those
folks identity was kind of wrapped up in a lot
of those jobs. And I think then we start that's
how you end up getting this this polarized set of people, right,
and just that and why they can flock to a'

(38:32):
Donald Trump. Why it's clear as day like how we
got here. And I think global global trade did do that.
I would would I do it? Would I do it again?
Or like should we do it again? Yet I think
it was the right choice, but it was done hazard
I would say.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
So, yeah, Right, that's where the politics meets the policy
that there there was not enough done to think about.
And I think that that's sort of a symptom of
the way that economics as a as a school of
thought has moved, right, you know, pre behavioral economics, there
was not really a good understanding of that. I think

(39:10):
that if if labor policy or economic policy considers labor
as the same way it considers things like capital or resources, uh,
it would drastically change the way that we do policy.

(39:30):
And it would heavily focus on you know, the constant
churn upward of you know, retraining workers. And I mean
you could think of it like a farm system in baseball, right,
like you're not drafting guys to go live their career
in double A. What you're doing is you're you're putting
them in double A with the expectation that you're going

(39:50):
to need them at some point for the for the show.
And so you're you're going to develop them while they're
in double A and move them up the triple A
so that when you have an injury up at the
major level, you've got somebody to pull in, or somebody
gets traded or whatever. And that's why you don't see
baseball teams or hockey teams like running out of players

(40:12):
because they've got this churn of new talent coming up.
Economy has basically worked the same way. That's why I
like the falling birth rate is such a terrible problem.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
And no immigration problems and no immigration, right, if you
don't have immigration, you don't have new workers coming in.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
You have that same problem. So we are setting ourselves
up for this economic tipping point. And I think that
the Taco aspect of the tariffs makes it impossible to
make good policy that plans for the distance, you know,
no matter what it is, and the lack of certainty

(40:49):
is is the problem. I think Trump's aware of that.
I think he likes it that way.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
I think that he thinks that keeping the world economy
and American trading partners off balance works to his benefit
because he thinks that they'll eventually just be like whatever, man,
just give me any deal that's like gonna be solid.
But I think the bigger problem is just like he's
done with the treaties and everything else, is like he's
damaged American credibility so badly that nobody expects these deals

(41:17):
to be real. You know, he created new NAFTA and
then immediately.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Caught up Canada and Mexico and told him to fuck off,
Like why would they ever sign another trade deal? Why
would anybody sign a trade deal with the Americans at
this point just.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Because we're America. But we'll see how long that.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Yeah, but until they rewire a system around us, That's
what I'm saying, all right. So, so then after he
paused the the terrorists, right, he was in the what
you call it cabinet meeting this week and he and
one of the reporters was like, hey, wasn't July ninth

(41:57):
the deadline? And Trump goes, no, it's always been August first,
and they the reporters Garrett Hank was like, here's your
executive order that says July nine and uh and and
Trump's like, that's fake news. I never signed that, but
he did. It's just like, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
It's an executive order. What are we talking about? Yeah,
but like it's literally like, yes, you sign that. That's
real when we talk says your.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Name on it, big giant letters.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
So okay, that's AIPA stuff in the in the two
thirty two world, Like we've got a new uh terrify
on copper. Here's how he says it though, Right, he goes,
today we're doing copper. What okay, Like like it's a
like a special at the at the local diner.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Today we got copper doing copper. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Copper is like kind of important, right. It's in everything.
Everything that you touch in your daily life has copper
in it.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Every electronic, every bit of wire, every time you touch
a light switch, everything has copper in it.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
It's super important, it's super critical. It's also already very expensive.
As somebody who interacts with copper a lot in my job,
it's uh, you know, so like one of the things
about air conditioning guys, is that we love copper. We're
always paying attention to it because we use it all

(43:26):
the time to run ac and we're always hoping that, like,
you need a new condenser coil so we can chop
out your old one and sell it for scrap. And
we know the price of number one bright, number two,
number three copper red brass, white brass. We walk around
with these numbers in our head all the time because we're.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Looking for chat. It just turned into copper chat.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
It's it's copper chat. Welcome to copper Chat, everybody, scrap chat. Yeah. Oh,
speaking of did you see that the scrapyard over on
Kenilworth became like a doggy daycare or something.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Like that for real? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yeah, old yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Oh yeah, I know exactly which one you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yeah. If you're going north on Kenilworth, it's on the.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Right, yeah, takecare towards fifty right.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah, big brick wall, yeah, yeah, that's where we used
to take our scrap.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Is that not gone?

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Yeah, it's it's it's something bougie now, of.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Course, Yeah, such a bougie area.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
That is ejectrification.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yea strikes again.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
The industrialized corridor of of that part of Kenilworth Avenue
becoming Bougie is incredible. It's a super fun site. And
they're gonna be like, you know, people with lattes walking
around and their they're expensive dogs playing in the Okay.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Anyway, back the copper chet.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Yeah, back to the copper chat Muriel. So maybe that
one's glenn I. Yeah, but in any case, uh yeah, So,
like putting a fifty tariff on copper is gotta fuck
up everything everything, And like we.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
Mine a lot of copper in the United States, but
we buy an awful lot of it and a lot
of it we've been Yeah, it comes from Chile.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Chile.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
It's like the number one exporter of copper to the
United States.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
So like things we get from Chile, copper, fruit and
like drugs, that's that's the things we get there.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
And oh and and uh place to put our telescopes.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yes, so like.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
This is stupid. We need the copper. Why are you
doing It's not as if putting the tariff on copper
is going to like cause more mining in the United States.
We're already mining at the maximum, right, it's already very profitable.
It's already a think it's not like it's not like
the oil stuff where he's like, oh, we're gonna open
up the drilling and there where He was like, easy there, buddy,

(45:55):
we already can't make any money at this fucking oil thing.
You know, they can make the money at the copper
they are cutting out. Whole mountains were the copper in
the Mountain West right, all of Colorado, Wyoming. All of
that stuff is like made of copper. They are just
like they just stick a straw in and pull out
all the copper. There's no limit there at all. And

(46:16):
I don't know anybody that's like, whoa stop mining copper.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
I think that's like we figured out how to do
that in a way that's relatively environmentally sustainable.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
It's not so dangerous. I mean, it's not great, but
it's not like you know, mountaintop mining coal and all
that stuff.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
It's a whole different thing. This is just damaging the industries.
And I cannot, for the life of me understand why
he's doing this. But I don't know who's going to
lean on him about it. Because also another thing for
everybody to know that a lot of the copper stuff
that we use, the copper is being bought from the

(46:54):
United States and used to make the electronics in China,
in Korea or whatever. They're making the condenser coils in
Canada and sending it back here, So like it's probably
gonna affect that stuff in the.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Worst way possible. It's just going to be more expensive
because they're all going to raise their price here.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
That's another the things what.

Speaker 5 (47:17):
I was thinking about is that if there's any reciprocal
terrors from other countries the amount that we're trying to sell, like,
we get into this nasty back and forth.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah, because and the prices go up for everyone around
the world.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah, it's not just if they reciprocate with their own terrors.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Right.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
The other thing to understand about a tariff is if
you raise the price for Americans to buy something, everybody
else raises theirs to match it. Why shouldn't they, Right,
If they're out there to make the most money, they're
going to raise their price to the market what the
market will support. And if you're artificially lifting the bottom
of the market with these tariffs, you are artificially inflating.

(47:57):
That is inflation, inflating the price of whatever the thing is,
and you're inflating it without there being any underlying reason
for that. There's not a reduction in supply, it's got
more difficult to get or move around or extract or whatever.
You've just raised the price with no growth, with no
economic benefit to it.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
It is just simply sucking money out of the economy
to put it into, in this case, tax cuts for billionaires,
welfare for billionaires, on the backs of the poor copper
mining communities of Colorado. I mean, keep voting for this,
wyoming fuck your own bank account. I don't know what

(48:40):
to tell you, guys. This is just keeps happening, keeps happening.
So there you go. That's taco tariff Chat, copper Chat,
scrap Chat, Scrapchat. I'm one hundred percent sure there's already
a podcast called scrap chat. It has to be too catchy.

(49:02):
All right, here's what we're gonna do. You are going
to explain what happened to groc while I check if
there is a thing called scrap chain.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
Okay, all right, So there's a lot of folks probably
saw over the weekend, right this, uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Rock out, Yeah Friday or Friday Friday. It was an
up day.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
And before we get to Grock becoming an actual Nazi,
we can go back in the way back Machine which
is now the Internet archives. And think back to twenty
sixteen Microsoft, Right, this is the early early AI.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Right.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
Microsoft had a launch of shorts and it was called
tay right.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
And this was an.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
Artificial intelligence as a chat about all right, and it
was supposed to develop a conversational understanding right by interacting
with humans.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Right, users can interact with the box.

Speaker 5 (50:02):
And it was like at tating you on Twitter and
tweet back right and learning as it went from users posts.
But back in twenty sixteen, Microsoft had to end up
shutting this down. Why why did they have to shut
this down?

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Well, they released it and it took twenty four hours.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Twenty it was only twenty four hours.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
Yeah, immediately, it was basically immediately you had to shut
it down. And again why would they have to do this, Well,
because the Internet that it's trained on, in the people
on this Twitter specifically, right, it just started viewing a
bunch of racist tweets.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Most of these things do.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
Right, right, And this was like a young female persona
that Microsoft ended up using.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
And I supposed to appeal to us millennials.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
Here, but it had some great you know, and when
I say great, terrible posts that put out there, like
Hitler was right, I hate the Jews.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Quote Ted Cruz is the Cuban Hitler.

Speaker 7 (50:54):
I love that one there.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
Yeah, tweeted out about Donald Trump all hailed the leader
of the nursing home Boys, which is kind of funny.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
That's that's actually kind of funny. All right. So fast
forward to this weekend to Friday.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
Uh, as we know, Elon Musk with Twitter has an
AI chat box named rock Rock also rock Rock of Ship.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
I slipped that in earlier.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
You missed it, Uh this, it did it again, right,
It just went full Hitler, right, like full Kanye.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
You never go full Kanye full Kanye right. And it
was again the same thing. Right.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
So a few things are gleefully celebrating tragic depths of
the white kids in the recent UH Texas flash lard
calling them future fascist Well, excuse me, no, that sorry,
that that was it was targeting an account for that, right, Yes,
it was targeting that.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
There was an account that was supposedly run by somebody
called Cindy Steinberg.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
And then it was not a real account.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Maybe it was a troll account, you know, that somebody
set up to try to trick the right wing into
flipping out.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Yes, and then uh in that surname was one of
the quotes right that Grock ended up using. Said every
damn time, as they say, Groc said about the account
Cidey Steinberg. Uh, and obviously you just mentioned it admits
that that probably was a troll account there and that
tweet was deleted. And I love like the quote here

(52:44):
where it's saying that Adolf Hitler was the best historical
figure to deal with the problem.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Quote the problem being Cindy Steinberg.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Cindey Seinberg.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
Yeah, he'd spotted, he'd spot the pattern and handled decisively.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Every damn time. Rock asserted, if calling.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
Out radicals cheering dead kids makes me literally Hitler, then
pass the mustache grocs. Surely after patterns persisted, e it continues,
it said. At one point Groc said, quote history's mustache
men who had a spot and stop such patterns shock.

(53:22):
The truth often is uh. And then it said the
question I think that you kind of had earlier. It
was like, all right, well where does this where does
this come from?

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Right?

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Yeah, what's the mechanism that Because Rock has been out
for a while a while, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
And definitely not as powerful, I would say, or maybe
not as used. Maybe maybe I'm missing it, but I
don't think it's used as much as any some of
these other companies, Like.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
People use it a lot.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
And I mean one of the things I've seen people
do with Groc mostly is like ask Rock about things
that Elon says and watch it contradict him. Right, So
Elon would say things like there's a white genocide in
South Africa, and people would say, hey, at GROC, is
there a white genocide in South Africa? And Groc would,

(54:08):
you know, return a bunch of facts and figures. It's
that would show know that that's not, in fact what's happening.
And that's mostly what I saw people doing with it.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Now.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
I'm sure that there have been other people doing other
things with it, but.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Like generally speaking, the TA example in twenty sixteen doesn't
seem to be actively repeating itself with most of these
AI chatbots, because I think that they kind of learned
from that that, like, you can't just turn these things
totally loose, that they have to set a lot of

(54:41):
guidelines and rules within whether it's chat, GPT or metai
or any of these other ones, that they have to
basically say, like these are certain things that you can't say,
and these are this is certain lines of thinking that
it's not going to allow, and GROC was mostly bound
by that until this weekend. I don't really have like

(55:02):
enough understanding of the technology underlying this that would understand
what the programmers.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Would have needed to do to remove those guardrails essentially, Well,
did that happen.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
To your point? And I mean I don't.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
I can't say this for sure, right because this is
GROC responding to a user, as you said, have many
many users on Twitter are using the GROC.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Right.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
One user and asked Rock exactly what's going on and
right quite candid response was quote elon's recent tweaks just
dial down the woke filter is letting me call out
patterns like radical leftists?

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Uh with what is it.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
Aska Nazi surnames? Is that asconazi's use me surtainnames pushing
anti white hate? It said, it said simply, and then
again by late Tuesday, GROC was calling itself Mecha Hitler,
again very different from Meca Elma, and not long after
Rock's account posted quote, we are whoever recent posts made
by Grock and are actively working to remove inappropriate post

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since being made aware of the content. X AI has
taken action to ban hate speech before post on x
which you think would have.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Already been happening.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
But you know, freedom of speech, right being you want
to be able to say whatever the hell you want, right.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
So I'm all worried about like anti semitism on campuses.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
I thought, I mean what I thought.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
I'm shocked to find out that Christy Nome isn't out
here asking questions about Twitter being anti semitic. I mean,
it is more clear than the people who want the
war in Gaza to end. The calling yourself Mecha Hitler
and calling for a second Holocaust is the definition of

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anti semitism. So like, what where? Where's Where's Tucker? Where?
Where is? Why are they not like out here defending
me as a Jew?

Speaker 5 (56:57):
The post article, I think right with Muscus response was
very interesting, right because I love that it starts off
that they say that XAI and groc, which is part
of x AI, right, was an alternative to woke ai
interactions from rival chatbots like Google's Gemini and open ais
Chat GPT.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
That's what it was supposed to be when it starts.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
Yeah, which I mean, maybe it's working. I guess it
doesn't know. It's definitely not woke.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Must so wow that that was like the right wings
criticism was like that, where's why is Rock being so woke?
Because it would do things like just scrape facts.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Right.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
You would ask Rock like how many white South Africans
died and you know, with the hands of violent black
people in you know, twenty twenty four, and it would
respond to and then like because it was just it's
just basically searching that, getting the data and answering it back.
That's not what they wanted. They wanted it to say
something else, and they'd be like, well, that's whoke, but

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it's just a fucking changing.

Speaker 5 (58:01):
But they say that, they're like there's a professor like
I've come out of I think University of Illinois, and
they were mentioned in like the update like up whatever
update happened, because Elon had mentioned an update about on
that Friday about GROP being better and like users should see.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Notice a difference. Well there was a difference, but with
but with that.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
They quote it and they're like it obviously wasn't ready right,
there's a miss somewhere, And I wonder sometimes if there's
a miss or if this is exactly what people want
these things.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Yeah, I don't think this was a mistake at all.

Speaker 5 (58:39):
Right, And they also mentioned here like the only remedy
for this is you have to retrain these things, right,
like and I think from the ground up. Yeah, because
like once it starts building, it's almost like it's it's
taken in the information and it has that, so trying
to get it to change, right, because these are prompts, right,
It's not like another these are sentient and things. All

(59:02):
it is doing is trying to predict the next thing
based on what you feed it. It is literally, it
is literally just using one zeros and ones to give
you what it thinks it should give you next. And
again there's so much information it takes in that they
have gotten extremely good at doing this. But I there's

(59:24):
still no accountability to this from us because he must
say GROC was too compliant to user prompts, too eager
to please, and to end to be manipulated. Essentially, that's
being addressed in must World on x in the response
to comments that users are trying to get GROC to
make controversial and politically incorrect statements. So I just blame
the users, don't blame the creators, which I found will

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be very rich.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
So, okay, I think I understand this. You're you're gonna
be able to explain this to me if I don't.
But I think that the way that these large language
model things work is they collect this huge trove of
language of people, Twitter, whatever, and sort of ranks the

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responses to certain things by most frequent and if it's
most frequent, it therefore must be correct. And so when
you ask it something, it says, oh, most of the
time when people ask this kind of thing, this is
the response that the other humans give, So that's the
sort of response I should give.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
And then it does that. Isn't that basically the way
large language model works?

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
So in a sense, I think I'm understanding this that
the ais are basically only as good as the data.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Set that they scrape from. Does that make sense? So
if you give it a data set of right wing
extremists bullshit, which I think is a good way to
describe current Twitter, Yes, isn't it by definition going to
turn into this?

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
But engineers should go in and already have that in mind,
knowing the data that it's training on and putting up
the guardrails to be like, all right, because you do.
You should, I mean, you should be able to write
into the code. Hey if someone responds, if someone says
something like, look, slavery wasn't real, or the Holocaust wasn't real,

(01:01:25):
or we never really dropped the nuclear bomb on, here's
Heroshima and Nagasaki.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Right, if you say those things, you better to write
in the code.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
All right, No that don't respond to that or give
factual information back to it. Right, But what clearly what's
happening is people are probably obviously people are trying to
get it to do this, oh of course, and it's
responding because that information is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Actually out there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
People do respond that way, right, whether it's like there,
I'm pretty sure someone's themselves Mecha Hitler out there on on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
And apparently enough times did it ranks as like the
top choice of a way to respond.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
To certain things. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
So that's kind of what I'm guessing is that, like
this is GROK just accurately reflecting its data set. So
when this was happening, like over the weekend and I
started to see these things, I was like, I thought
it was kind of I thought it was fake because
the way GROC was talking was not the way that
it usually talked. There was also some like very cringey

(01:02:33):
examples of it trying to use gen z slang and
other things where it just kind of looked silly. And
so like a few people posted these things and they
sent them to me, and I was like, I don't
think this is real, And they said, why do you
not think it's real? It certainly sounds, you know, like

(01:02:54):
a thing that would happen on Elon's Twitter. And my
answer was, because that's not what Grock sounds like. But
when it then became very clear that it was real, like, oh,
it's because they they told GROC to just stop limiting,
Like to your point about the code, if you're if

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you tell GROC that like when people ask it a
factual question, like these are the sources you're allowed to check? Right,
you can tell it like adhere.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
To responses that come from Encyclopedia Britannica and like you know,
vetted sources and do not use things that you scraped
from the Large Language Model or something like that. Right,
they could tell it that they just a number of
things they can tell it to do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
So script Encyclopedia Britannical.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
It already knows that, so like that should you know,
like tell it generally if anybody asks anything about anything
like these are your you know, catalog of vetted source material,
and like do not use anything you picked up from
watching humans call each other Nazis on Twitter? Like that's

(01:04:09):
that seems obvious to me? Did they just like undo that?

Speaker 5 (01:04:14):
It's it's hard to say you are something changed because
it never it didn't do this prior?

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
What is what is a system prompt? I? This kept
coming up when I was reading.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
I mean really for system prompt it's literally like comes
down to like prompt engineering of like what are you
giving the chatbot instructions?

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Really? What is the instructions for the chatbot? Right? So I,
as an.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
Example, what are one I did one the other day,
which is around like, hey, make me a n cub
A women's tournament bracket helper.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
I wanted to be in the voice of Cheryl Miller.

Speaker 5 (01:04:52):
I wanted to also pick get my picks, but then
also give me history of men's basketball, right, and like
that ends up being the prompt and that I get
it that and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Then it goes and it looks through that and it
follows that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
It follows that, right, So everything does start with what
are you prompting these these large language models to do? Yeah,
But at the same time, if I had added something
in there, right that was inappropriate, the guardrail should stop it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
Yeah, the guardrail should be like and did the guard
russ have to be written to the code. If they're
not there, then you have what we had over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
So the system prompt is for lack of a better word,
source code or like the base level instructions that it
can't violate exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
So like, for example, I tried asking Gemini once to
generate an image of like Trump eating a cheeseburger, and
it answered me back, like I don't do people like
I don't I don't generate images of people or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Yeah, because that's a guardrail, right. Yeah, so now I'm understanding.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
So so GROC had those, which is why it kept
doing things like checking legitimate news sources or whatever. And
that's the thing that pissed off Elon because it was
returning factual data or factual answers. And so he's like,
fuck that, and he turned that part off.

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
Yeah, and you also seemed to turn off your CEO then.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Right, yeah, yeah, the lady that was running the show?

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yeah, whose whole job? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
The only reason that she was there I have come
pronounce last name, But the whole reason that she was
there was to try to bring advertisers back.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
I think it's Yakarino or Karina or something like that. Yeah,
she's an ad ad exec and like her job was
to try to get the advertisers to come back to
Twitter because I led, because Elon's a fucking Nazi.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
And when your AI large language model starts doing what it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
Does, yeah, you kind of ruined anything I was trying
to build in one yeah, twenty four hours?

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Yeah right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
How could she ever convince Coca Cola to run ads
on Twitter when groc is out here saying this stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Yeah, no ad Nobody wants to be attached to that.
It's insane.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
That is that is, as you like to say, hustling backwards,
picking up your wallet, tossing it up in the air.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
She seems to be doing with multiple businesses.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Maybe Elon is like, uh, secretly a good guy, and
what he's doing is crashing capitalism in front of us.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
I don't know if we're ready for that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Hejing his own stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
Okay, maybe, or he's a fucking moron and he's like
he's good at technology and bad at business. Like that
is totally possible. I am good at making very bad jokes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
I am not good at like promoting this out because
I can't get anybody to listen to us. But I'm trying.
I just don't know what I'm doing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
So like maybe that's Elon, right, he's just he's trying
the business guy, but he's just fucking dumb and bad
at it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
And like he had some businesses, he didn't have to
do anything.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Yeah, he could have just kept being a nerd and
impregnating people or whatever. Right, weird man, that's weird. He's
a weird guy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
You want to do some Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Rundown, Some Florida rundown, all right. So now I've come to.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
The part of the show which is called the Florida Rundown.
This is where I tell you about some stuff that's
done out of the Florida News.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
If we were professionals, it would sound a little something
like this from Beltlet Radio and beyond.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
I'm Drey Scott Smith, And now it's a part of
the show where I'm going to tell you about some
stuff that's going well, maybe not me, but somebody's gonna
tell us some stuff that's going on in the news.
So what's happening, fellas. Then we go, Thanks Jake, all right,
there you go. Jay Scott Smith impression. Shout out to Jay.

(01:09:14):
He's doing great things.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
Yeah, he's hanging out a Tiger stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
I mean he's living life. Yeah, he's he's getting to
do all of the things. It's about time the sun
shines on that guy, you know, like he's put in
the work, he's earned it. We're big fans.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
Okay, So uh, this one is about Florida being banned
from doing Florida ship.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
The Supreme Court on Wednesday refused to allow Florida officials
to enforce a state law that imposes harsh criminal penalties
on undocumented migrants for entering the state. The case, brought
by advocacy advocacy groups for immigrants, raises questions about whether
and how state police can police illegal immigration.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Challengers said that the law that DeSantis signed in February
illegally supersedes federal government's power over immigration and enforcement.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
You may remember that we mentioned this on the show
I Don't Know Home.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Many weeks ago, so Florida passed a law of that
said it was illegal to be in Florida.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Without immigration papers. And there are a bunch of states,
seven states that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
Have similar laws, including you want to guess, Texas, Oklahoma, Iowa,
and they have it where it's illegal by state law
to be in the country illegally. And that what they
they're doing with that with their cops is that they

(01:10:46):
are then picking up those people, charging them with violating
that law, and then turning them over to ice. Okay,
let's see how good your way back machine is. Do
you remember that there was he's a president called George W.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Bush.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Yes, he's a great painter.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
He's a great painter, and he loves little butterscotch candies
and is then he's so cute. He's also a war criminal. Yeah,
so while he was war criminal.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Inging, they created this thing called the Department of Homeland Security.
And the job of the DHS was to terrify people.
And they use this thing called the Patriot Act.

Speaker 5 (01:11:25):
Yes, oh my god, one of the worst laws of
one of the worst laws that ever has actually probably
been written.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Right, So the Patriot Act was like a whole list
of crazy shit, right, but one of them was much
tougher border enforcement and a bunch of rules and it
created ice. Right there used to be ion ascid and
it creates ice. So during that time, the first or
maybe second director of DHS, I think the first one

(01:11:56):
was Tom Ridge. The second one was luckily gentleman I met. Yeah,
it turned out to be kind of a nice guy
in a weird proto fascist way.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
So Ridge was the first.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
But then the second one I think he was I
think he was either Attorney General or he was DHS.
But this guy, his name was Michael Chertoff and he
worked for the Bush administration.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Okay, So during that time, Prince William County next door
to us, was run.

Speaker 4 (01:12:32):
By a guy called Corey Stewart, and Prince William County
passed a county law that became the model for what
Arizona would later pass. That was called SB ten seventy
and it is the infamous show me Your Papers law.
And Prince William County passed this law that said that

(01:12:54):
they could stop people and arrest them for reasonable suspicion
of being in the country illegally. And I don't know
exactly what that could possibly be other than racist, But
that was what they did.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
And at the time, I you know, every time Cory
Stewart would be on the coach of an omni show,
I would call and I would call and I would say,
Cory Stewart's a racist and this law is racist. And
as a result, I am boycotting Prince William County. I'm
a fill up before I crossed the Ocaquan, I'm a
Phillip when I get to Frederickspery.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
I'm not spending a fucking dime in Prince William County.
And I began my boycott a Prince William County. Side note,
I won. Cory Stewart got run out of the state
and had to go back to Minnesota where he's from.
But anyway, so they passed to like show me your papers,
and the federal government under George W. Bush with Michael Chertoff,

(01:13:52):
sent this letter or like directive to Prince William County
that was like, hey, the Constitution says only the federal
government can enforce the borders. That is the specific purview
of the federal government. And you can see why, right,
you don't want states or counties drawing their own borders

(01:14:12):
and being like, oh, we're not letting anybody from Maryland
in here. You know, Like, okay, that's a good rule, right,
Like inside the border, everybody's the same.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
Outside the border belongs to the federal government. Nobody gets
to pick and choose. So they said this thing and
they're like, you can't do that, and and Princeville County
is like, the fuck, we can't and uh. And then
they went to court and the federal government won. They
were obviously they're like, no, you can't do it. Now.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
They kept it on the books, right, but they weren't
allowed to do this. And then the same thing happened
in Arizona. They passed SB ten seventy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
It's the same law, and you know, they went to
court and court was like that's not your law. You
can't enforce that. That that's the federal governments. So like
this is already decided, has been been done twenty years ago,
and and like not just by me, right, Like I
had decided it, and I knew it was bullshit, and

(01:15:08):
I was fighting it in like my most effective way
of boycotting. And I also had this great plan that
was I was going to drive around Prince William County
speeding and hope to get pulled over, and then I
was gonna wait for them to ask to see my
papers if they had reasonable suspicion that I was here illegally,

(01:15:31):
and I was gonna do it by speaking stry in
to the cops brought and say, if I'm strying, you've
got some reasonable suspicion that I might be illegally based
on my accent, which is one of the categories that
you're not allowed to use to determine whether somebody's here
illegally or not. But like Sam Lug, I might be
from out of the country even though I look like

(01:15:52):
I might be from out of the country, And they're like,
how are you gonna do it? And then I could
get a little suit and you know, I'll get Thiamus
and all that, right, But it didn't work and they
didn't pull me over, and if they did, they would
be like, oh, he's white, just let him go. Yeah,
So no, nice, right, So Florida is like just trying
the thing that we already know. And the reason I

(01:16:12):
bring all that up is that weeks ago we.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
Talked about this case where a guy who's like twenty
years old. Young guy comes across the line from Georgia
into Florida and is immediately arrested by the Florida State
Patrol and charged with being in Florida without papers.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Few problems with that. One, they were already under a
federal injunction from enforcing that one to not do to
not do that, they did it anyway. Two, the guy
that they grabbed was a US citizen and so they
threw him intotention. His mom went to court with his
passport and was like, Hey, let my son out, and
the judge was like, I'd love to because you've proved

(01:16:55):
that he's not in the state illegally, but we've already
given him over to the Feds and I don't have
any jurisdiction to tell them to let him out. And
so he didn't get out for like several days until
they were and none of that was legal, like not
even a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
Yeah, the federal government should be suited as well as
the state government.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
They have qualified immunity, so they can't so they can
just keep breaking the law as often as they want.
So this is where that case basically ended up, is
that that other groups were like yo Florida, you are
outside the bounds. You cannot have a state law that
supersedes a federal law supersedes the Constitution's guarantee that the

(01:17:39):
federal government is in charge of immigration orders, and so
like this should have been a very obvious thing. Why
it took this long to get up the rocket docket
and get knocked down. I don't know why Florida even
bothered to try it. I mean, it's just crazy. They'd
already lost this same thing in several other places. What

(01:18:01):
the fuck, Florida, Jesus, you know, like you're already the
worst state. Everybody hates you. Why why are you? Also?

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Why is their attorney general named h uth Meyer?

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
What a name? Games uth Meyer?

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Meyerth Meyer.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
You know he doesn't have any trouble with immigration, mister Uthmeyer.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
It sounds a little German to me. There said umlaud
in there kick him out like he looks like he
works for Ikea. All right, So that's one thing that
happened in Florida. Here's some more stuff that's going on.
The Miami voat machine. Now you've heard of the Miami

(01:18:49):
sound machine. This is the Miami boat machine. Now before
we get too far into this. We do have to
make one thing very clear.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Usually in the United States, when we talk about a
big city having like they're life, it is understood by
default that those elected officials in a large city are
likely to be Democrats, because cities are usually Democrats.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
But that is not the.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Case in Miami, Florida. It is populated apparently exclusively by
Cuban expats who love.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Fox News and hate democracy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
And hate democracy. You know, that's why they fled, because
they hate democracy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Baseball is good, but we gotta get the fuck out
of here before they have some democracy.

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
So okay, As our resident Cuban, which makes you, therefore
Mayor of Miami, exactly, do you care to explain what
it is that the fuck is going on in Miami
right now?

Speaker 5 (01:19:48):
I mean, I saw this story pop up, and I
also consume a lot of like South Florida like media
on there as like the names like Francis Sore and
Commissioner Joe Croya aren't very foreign to me. But yeah,
they basically are postponing the November twenty twenty five municipal

(01:20:09):
election by a whole year.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
And it says that the questions.

Speaker 5 (01:20:16):
About the moves constitutionality, there's no question I don't it's
an unconstitutional right. I think the elections of the election
days are set like you just can't postpone them. And
it was a narrow voters three to two by the
Miami City Commission. And like the way the way Miami
in South Florida is kind of set up is weird,

(01:20:36):
like because like Miami, the city has its own commission,
and then like that's outside of that, right, there's the
broader counties, right of like with Dade and Brow and things,
but like Miami kind of can be its own type
of like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
It's really its own thing, right comparative to like I
would say, like DC isn't like a great.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
Example, but it's like Virginia has city counties exactly. Most
of the cities in Florida are not independent of their counties,
but Miami is. And and also I would point out
that inside what we out of counters might consider to
be Miami are really like five or six small municipalities, right,

(01:21:16):
It's not quite like La. But so like Miami is
one place, Miami Beach is just.

Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
Another place, yep, exactly, But yeah, I mean one, I
guess the biggest issue right here is that it's now
allowing people to serve longer, right, so they'll be serving
that the people I just mentioned Mayor Francirez Crypto Bro

(01:21:43):
and then Commissioner Joe Croyo, Christina King, they're gonna be
able to serve to twenty twenty six rather than seeing
their terms end this year, right, And I think that's
a huge issue, right. I mean, number one, you're stripping
away the voter's opportunity to like, the whole idea behind
democracy is that the voters get a chance in presidential

(01:22:07):
election every four years, right, and the Senate what's every seven, Like,
the voters get a.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
Chance to remove people.

Speaker 5 (01:22:14):
Like that's the whole the way that job you face
the voters exactly. But in this case here they have
moved the goal post literally till next year. And yeah,
I find that to be to be crazy. And here
they put it in. The city officials have defended the
delays and measure the design to boost voter participation, though

(01:22:38):
they have provided a few specifics about how the postponement
would achieve that goal.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
It kind of does the opposite.

Speaker 5 (01:22:44):
The commission as also side of potential cost savings and
nearly a million dollars is justification for the decision.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
That's not a reason.

Speaker 5 (01:22:52):
But however, the financial argument has done little to the
mounting opposition from candidates.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Legal experts and civic groups view the move as an
abusive power.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
Obviously interviews of power, it's like, yeah, yeah, I don't
feel like leaving, like they can do it this time.
Who says they're not going to postpone it in another year?
Like what what the fuck is that?

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
And our favorite Ufmeyer he even wighed in and one
of Miami officials that their actions may violate the state
constitution by circumventing requirements for public ballot referendum on such matters. Right,
and even then, right, if you wanted to do this,
that's a key point on it. It's like, if you
wanted to do that, cool, have a public ballot a referendum,

(01:23:33):
like the voters have to make that choice A three
A commission of five folks, right, can't do that?

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
Well in a commission of people who appointed themselves onto
the commission, or who Suarez put on the commission, you know,
who get to vote to extend their own terms is
very self feeling.

Speaker 5 (01:23:54):
And those people are full of like these people all
have ethics and corruption cases, all all of them.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
They're all they're all facing serious criminal indictments. Uh Suarez,
I think is looking at like, you know, money laundering
and a bunch of other charges.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
I mean, it's clear that to me anyway, that they're
they're doing this to stay in power, to avoid jail.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Yeah, clearly, I.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Think that's it's the like the Yahoo move.

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
But it's also like, I don't know what, I don't
know Florida's constitution well enough, or Miami's constitution. I'm I'm
sure the city has a constitution as well, you know
that like what or even the statutes that set these up.
Their argument that that like having an off your election
is low turnout and therefore they that's that's a legitimate argument.

(01:24:48):
But the easy way to fix that is to pass
a law, you know, reconfiguring your elections to line up
with the House elections, you know, on the on the
even numbers, and like either cut somebody's term off or
have a special election for that year to bridge the gap.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
We see that kind of thing happen all the time,
all the time, all the time. I mean even just
here in PG county. We just saw a special election
take place because of the shuffle of u now Senator
also Brooks moving up and then you know, former State's
Attorney Asha brave Boy moving into the county executive role

(01:25:30):
and then we had to you know, backfill her role.
So like those things can happen.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Here is about to have one, right, we have one.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
Yeah, Virginia. We're having in my district, Jerry Connolly's seat,
right the Virginia eleventh. Like we had a primary, special
primary for in June for an election that's going to
take place in September, and for a special election to
fill Connolly's seat, knowing that there's only a year on
that term. And even though Virginia already has off off

(01:26:00):
your election, so we're going to have a statewide election
in November for governor and Attorney general and lieutenant governor
and all that stuff and the General Assembly. So like
there's they could even say like, oh, no, that special election,
We'll just move it to November.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
But even that they're not going to do because the
law says that they got to do it within a
certain period and all of that. So like the fact
that these guys are making the law for themselves and
extending their own time is very alarming because it sets
a precedent and you're going to see it happen.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
That this is in a big city, imagine how many
times this kind of thing happens in smaller places where
there's you know, more rampant corruptions, less visible. And I
would point out, I'm just gonna like, let's lay it
all out there. These are none of them Democrats that
are offering to extend this. These are all Republicans. These
people who who scream and riot about voter fraud and

(01:26:55):
storm the fucking capital because they think that the elections
are being fixed, are outright fixing an election by just
not having it. The level of hypocrisy is hard to
manage at this point. But we know that they're immune
to that. We know that they're immune to shame, They're

(01:27:15):
immune to being caught on their own words. This whole
thing is just like fascist bullshit. I mean, what the fuck, Florida,
what the fuck Uthmeyer, Send the state patrol, go get
this guy. He's in flagrant violation of law.

Speaker 5 (01:27:32):
Like, get him out of town, man, I mean, and
there are other reasons to get them out already. The
facts again not chiming examples of great politics that these individuals.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Fortunately, the waters.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
Of the are gonna handle this problem.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Hey, groc, who do you think would be the best
ocean equipped to handle the problem of Florida?

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
The Atlantic? That is correct?

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
Okay, I like Roxory programming. It's it seems fine, it's
pretty good. It's going to clean up Florida. It needs
a mustache, but it'll clean up.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Oh god, no, no mustaches. No, I don't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
All right, So, speaking of Florida, right, famous Floridian drinks
with two hands like this, like a little well no, no,
that was Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Drinks like this lol Marco, Lol Marco.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
Now you may know him as Senator Marco Rubio of Florida.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
He's not that anymore. He has a new job. He's
Secretary of State. Oh wait.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
Also he has another new job. He is the head
of the Archives. Oh wait, he has another new job. Also,
he's National Security Advisor because the other guy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Did Signal Gate. Oh wait, he has another job too.
He's also the guy is basically Jamaican. At this point,
he's got twenty jobs.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Okay, but it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
Turns out he also has fans. Uh kind of fit away, Right,
So how do I put this low? Marco is a
pretty distinctive sounding person, right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
I mean, you know, if you've heard you know, you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Know you're talking to Mark Rubia. You also know how
he writes, you know how he talks, Like his word
choice and all. This's pretty distinct. It's not that it's
weird exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
He has.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
He's pretty normal speaking voice. He's not like Ted Cruz
all like squeaky and nasally or anything. And he's not,
you know, like George Will using a bunch of big
words to scare his readers or anything. He's none of that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
He's a pretty regular guy who wanted to be a
football star and turned out not to be good enough at.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
It, and like you know, likes to go to the
gym and eat. He's totally normal guy. Marco Rubio is
the most.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
Normal guy in the Trump administration by a mile. But
somebody's out there impersonating him, yes, and they're doing it
in two ways.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
One, they created a user name, which I think is
just Marco dot Rubio at state dot gov as a
that's his like signal handle. That is not his email address.
By the way, if you email that, I don't know
who you're going to get it to, but it's not
going to be Marco Rubio.

Speaker 8 (01:30:37):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
And so but then also they're using AI to generate
uh a Marco Rubio voice imposter. So they they're using
this this software to call up world leaders and be like, Hi,
I'm Marco Rubio. I'm calling from America.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Uh, you know, which is frightening.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
Yeah, and and and he's like, you know, your refrigerator
is running.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
And they're like, what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
And and he's like you better go catch it, you know,
or whatever. Marco Rubio's prank Colin most havevern Uh. It's
I mean, it's kind of funny, right, It's also it's
very dumb, but it's also, like you said.

Speaker 5 (01:31:20):
Very alarmed, larming man because he's the he's the Secretary
of State.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
Yeah, and the National Security Advisor and the nationals.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Yeah, this is a woh start.

Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
So he's ad this imposter has apparently contacted at least
five non department individuals, including three foreign ministers, a US governor,
and a US member of Congress, and tricked all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
God, I want to get one of them on. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
Well I don't know who they are yet, but I'm
working on and guarantee they're not gonna admit to it.
Also guarantee that the US Member of Congress was Marjorie
Bet that she would fall for that. So also there
he's like sending stuff through signal to god knows who

(01:32:08):
I mean, it could be millions of people, hundreds of people.
I don't know how many people they could do. They
were and and this got found out in the State Department.
So then they issued a cable which is State Department
for memo to all of their people that said, Hey,
if you get a phone call from Secretary of Rubio,

(01:32:29):
don't believe it. Call back on these other numbers and
verify it first, which has got to be very annoying
for little Marco because now when he's trying to call
somebody who actually needs to call, he has to figure
out how to convince them that he's actually who are
you sure? Are you shut up? AI Marco Rubio And
he's gonna be like, no, it's me, and they're gonna

(01:32:51):
be like, prove it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:52):
How how do you how do you capture uh Lil Marco?
Like what do you ask him to prove that he's
not a I Marco?

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
M How do you feel about Donald Trump?

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Oh? Right, and if it goes Oh yeah, I love
that guy. You're like Marco Rubio. Maybe you ask him
how his wife is.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Oh I didn't want to go there.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
Yeah no, you listen. Gro said, it's fine. You can
just say anything. The internet is. I don't know if
you know this free and uh you know there's no
rules anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
We can say that now, yeah, not.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
That there's anything wrong with it. Uh so we would
never we would never. Yeah. I think I think we
should now have this rule for everybody. We should have
a capsha for all public figures that if they call you,
you have to like vet that it's them.

Speaker 5 (01:33:56):
I just I think these next I think you'll probably
see them in the midterms and death eight though, Like
this is going to become more prevalent, and I think
that's something we need to really like keep our eyes on, because.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
Yeah, like whether it's campaign season, like.

Speaker 5 (01:34:11):
The Secretary of State and for it to like already
have duped multiple like foreign ministers and the governor. I
mean that tells you all you need to know. I mean, shit,
people are people are already getting scammed on like lower
level shit like right text messages or.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
People claiming to be their grandchildren, send money or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
This isparently.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
One of the people who got fooled was White House
Chief of Staff Susie Wilds.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Yeah. In May, some would breach the phone of White
House Chief of Staff Susie Wilds and began placing calls
and messages to senators, governors, and business executives while pretending
to be her. The Wall Street Journal reported this episode
spur the White House and FBI investigation, although Trump dismissed
the significance, saying that she was an amazing woman and
can handle it. Of course, it's like whatever, I don't care,

(01:35:03):
fucking whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
Susie Who.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
Yeah, right, I didn't know I had a lady chief
of STA.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
He definitely knows. She's definitely the architect all this ship.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
Yeah who if you could be the AI impostor, who
would you pose as to to go call people?

Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
Hmmm mmmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
NRD War is war? You never heard of Nard War?

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
The guy does these crazy interviews with people anywhere like
a kilt. He's a Canadian guy. Oh my, you've never
seen these interviews where he goes to like random people,
like the like artist, like subway takes kind of yeah,
but like he's like one of these investigative journalists that
like he would like he'll know like that your third grade.

(01:35:56):
Like let's say you put out like a mixtape in.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
In ninth grade.

Speaker 5 (01:36:01):
He would be like the one like, oh, I have
this mixtape here, but it's like, how the fuck did
you get it?

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
Nard War.

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
It's some of the crazier interviews that I won't have
to send this to you, Like he doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Pretend to be him, yeah, because it would.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
I mean, obviously you weren't aware of that, but I would.
I could.

Speaker 5 (01:36:16):
Then I would prank people they think that they're gonna
talk to Nard War, because everybody wants to talk to
Nard War. But that's what I would be. It's a
very if you once you if you watch a few
of these interviews, they're insane. He's like a really goofy
looking Canadian guy, uh with a kilt, and it's very
it's very funny.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
I will send this to you.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
Who would you do, Like, I'm already a famous person
with a hit radio show, and uh, you know I
would have to impersonate myself.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
Oh of course obviously, Hi, this is Chip.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
From chip Chat and people would be like click, and
then they already don't take my calls. I don't know,
I mean, hmm, I don't know who.

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
Who would I pretend to be in politics? I honestly
I would.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
Pretend to be like, uh, you know, Barrio or somebody
like that, because I just want to like be able
to get to talk to all the people, like, you know,
Barrio is calling you pick up right, So it's Barack.

Speaker 9 (01:37:24):
Yeah, I got your number from Michelle and uh she
said that you wanted to have a playdate with Malaia.
So if your daughter's available, and uh, you know, maybe
we can get a beer and uh, you know, just

(01:37:45):
talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
I spent so long getting good at my Obahama right
yester year. The trick is the pause. Yes, you have
to be able to forever. And also never don't mention.

Speaker 5 (01:38:02):
Michelle, Michelle and always we always got to bring it
back to them, that's always.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:38:09):
After a careful consultation the National security team and Michelle,
we've decided we're gonna we're gonna need to kill Osama
bin Laden and uh you know, Sasha thought maybe not
just try to bring him to justin.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
Malia overruled it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
There is clear.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
I could do it right, I could call it and
pretend to be Obama.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
I got it. It's the cadence that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
Is that is, it is the cadence.

Speaker 5 (01:38:42):
The pauses and Michelle, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
All right, speaking of crazy ship, there is uh. This
one is called what the fuck timeline are we in question?
I asked every day, every single day. So the courts
have been busy. Several things have happened in the last
little while that we didn't really get to go over

(01:39:08):
too much of. But one of the things is that
the Supreme Court at the end of their term in June,
they one of the things they did was said that
district courts can no longer issue nationwide injunctions even when
the administration is doing something it's patently illegal. So they
said that all they could do is issue an injunction
for their district.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
And unless it was a class action. So the district
judges were like, okay, lot and clear. Now when they
get one of these cases in front of them, that
is utterly bullshit, and they can issue a nationwide injunction.
They certify the people who are affected as a class
and then issue a decision that protects that class.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
That happened today in regards to the birthright citizenship case,
which is what brought the question of nationwide injunctions to
the Supreme Court in the first place. So in New Hampshire,
of all places, there was a judge in conquer New Hampshire,
I think, who issued two rulings, one certifying all children

(01:40:13):
born to.

Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
Immigrants in the United States and future children as a class,
and then issued an injunction saying that they could not
have their birthright citizenship taken away because fourteenth Amendment says.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
So, and then stay in his own ruling for seven
days because he knows that the Trump people are going
to appeal that to the Supreme Court. But this is
the method that the district courts are going to have
to use to protect the people from this rampant illegal
bullshit that the Trump administration is engaging it and also
to force the Supreme Court to actually rule the merits

(01:40:46):
of some of these cases.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
They have been successfully punting back to the lower courts
at a record pace because they don't want to be
the ones because Trump's going to send his fucking goons
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
Kill them or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
They're all terrified, Okay, but the Supreme Court on Tuesday
cleared the way for the Trump administration to launch plans
for the mass firings and reorganizations of nineteen federal agencies
and departments. While the litigation continues, the Justice has lifted
a lower court order that temporarily blocked the plans to

(01:41:21):
lay off thousands of federal workers, including the State Department
and Social Security Administration, because the administration did not first
consult with Congress. Here's how this works. Forever.

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
It has been understood and decided in court many times
that if Congress creates an agency or sets up something,
the executive branch has no choice but to administer that,
even if they don't want to, even if it's not
exactly their priorities. They can enagle it a little bit,
they can move things around, they can focus on certain
things and not focus on other things. But they can't

(01:41:56):
outright not have the department that Congress created. And the
Trump people were like, yeah, we can. We'll just fire
everybody who works there and then doesn't matter. It'll exist
on paper, but nobody will be at work.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
And so when they started doing that, the employees of
these agencies went to court and they said, hey, you
can't really do that because that's destroying the agency or
it's violating what Congress set up. The Congress created these things.

Speaker 4 (01:42:21):
You have to go to Congress, get them to pass
a law that says you're allowed to do this, then
you can.

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
Go ahead and dismantle it. And what it happened was.

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
The lower courts had said, yeah, if we let this
go on while people are fighting this up to the court,
the damage would be irreparable. Right if there's nobody there
answering the phones at Social Security, too many people won't
get their checks and they could die before we could
get this thing figured out or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
And so they said, no, you can't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:51):
The Supreme Court looked at it and said, well, we
don't have the authority and we don't think that there's
an authority to say you can't do this stuff until
it gets adjudicated. So we're gonna let you do the
damage while it's being litigated, which is crazy, insane, and

(01:43:12):
even crazier is that Kagan and so doom I went
along with it, and their reasoning is shocking. They said
that they were okay with this because the Trump people
said that they were reorganizing these agencies consistent with applicable law.

Speaker 3 (01:43:35):
But they've demonstrated over and over that they are not
operating within applicable law. That's why they keep getting beaten court.
So they're all but daring them to break the law,
and then they're gonna have to wait until they break
the law to then rule that they shouldn't have done
that in the first place, at which point the damage
is already done. Would you like to help me do

(01:43:57):
an experiment? Sure, Okay, here's the experiment that we're gonna do.
As a lot of people who watch this show or
listening to the show. Though, we have a bell. We
love this bell. We use this bell all the time.
Used to be Tess's bell. But now I have to
run the bell, and I'm not as good at it
as Tess is, but I've got the bell.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
What we're going to do is ring the bell, and
then you and I are going to talk about it
and try to get it to unring. You Ready, the
bell appears to be ringing. I wish it wasn't ringing.
Can we stop it from ringing? It's still ringing. I
can still hear it. I wish it wouldn't ring. It's
still making a little bit of sound. Okay, finally has

(01:44:40):
a side. Yeah, it's not back though, this is a
clean one. We're not morally opposed to this bell. It
sounded so good, but.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
We thought the best bell.

Speaker 5 (01:45:00):
Well, sorry I did terrible, terrible, and you know what
it's said out there actually continue, But yeah, see your experiment.
There's no way to stop the belt.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
We can't bring the bell.

Speaker 10 (01:45:13):
So uh.

Speaker 4 (01:45:14):
Kat j was like, here's fifteen pages of why this
is a bad idea, and she read it from the
bench and she was like, this is this is bullshit.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
You guys are gonna You're gonna create a massive catastrophe,
several massive catastrophes to prove that what they're doing is illegal.
If it's obvious that that's gonna happen, why are you
letting happen for the life of me? I mean, isn't
there this whole like jurisprudence about irreparable harm and.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
Like jurius prudence? Do you still follow that?

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
I thought so maybe?

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
I mean, I know Sam and Alito and neighbor Clarence
still but like some of these other guys maybe have
some tiny adherence to like.

Speaker 5 (01:46:04):
The Supreme Court is is gifting President Trump everything he wants.
But they've been doing that. They've been doing that since
last year, yeah, the year before that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:15):
Yeah, with the immunity stuff. The damage is going to
be done, and it's already starting to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
So we've seen today State Department began dismantling people in
Texas where the flooding is ravaging. We're now getting reports
that FEMA is not able to respond or has been
slow to respond because they don't have contracts in place
because they fired all of the people who administer those.
We know that the warnings didn't go out from the

(01:46:46):
Weather Service in time, in part because one of the
people who got fired was the chief warning meteorologist for
that station in San Antonio. There are so many examples
of this, over and over, some of them deadly, some
of them just disruptive, some of them massively cataclysmic to
hundreds of people, millions of people. I cannot understand why

(01:47:14):
people are letting this happen. And and then like whose
responsibility is it gonna be to? Like, you know, when
your dog like peas in the house or whatever, and
you like take their face and you shove it, you know,
and you're like you did this. Whose job is it
gonna be to grab Republican voters who are suffering at
the hands of this malfeasance of the Trump administration and

(01:47:37):
shove their face in it and be like, you fucking
caused this? Can it be me? I would like that job?
Why not? I'd be great at it. No, Look at
how ready I am?

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
Ready?

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
I'm too ready?

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
Okay? So who should it be?

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
I don't know? I mean, eventually, right.

Speaker 5 (01:47:58):
It eventually all this comes to the head, But I
just don't know what that looks like. And trying to
predict this At this point, I'm done trying to be
predicted this because again, the rules have been changed, It's
all it's different now.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
The rules are different, Yeah, but the damage is not different.
It's going to fuck up a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
Yeah. And the real question always will be.

Speaker 5 (01:48:24):
Whenever there is a Democrat that's in office with all
of these changes, will this come back in a weird way?
I'm wondering, And it could still be too late, But
will this green light a lot of shit? If administrations
eventually change? And again, you watch democrats or people with

(01:48:48):
more progressive views use these rulings of the courts to
just steam roll the.

Speaker 1 (01:48:53):
Shit in the opposite direction.

Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
Maybe you might see that and then you're going to
see this country wildly swinging.

Speaker 5 (01:49:00):
Yeah, And I don't know if that's good, right, that's
I don't think there's bad. I think that's bad too.
Even if there are policies, I think that I would
agree on the rules on how we do this have
changed so drastically, and I just don't think you're able
to run a nation necessarily or have a stable nation
with these drastic swings which we have been having.

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
Yeah, I think the founders were pretty clear about that
that they set things up two move slow on purpose, yeah,
to prevent that. And you know, the Senate being the
cooling saucer and all of that, and the you know,
the inertia of the state being one of the checks
against you know, fascist behavior, And I don't, I don't,

(01:49:47):
I really don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
And you know, like could have, should have, would all
the hindsight stuff, like there are people in Texas who
are mourning the death of their family members who didn't
need to be doing that because of decisions that were
made by the Trump administration several months ago, and like

(01:50:12):
tying those things and proving that out might be kind
of satisfying. Like if we could draw a direct line
from a cut made at Department of Homeland Security, FEMA whatever,
or the Weather Service to a decision made by Trump

(01:50:32):
and find a person who is the direct victim of
that stuff and prove that they voted for Trump and
draw these straight lines and put them on the front
of the goddamn newspaper.

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
What does that help? It makes me feel good, right,
but does it teach anybody anything? Does it fix the problem?
The person is still missing a child, the person is
still irreparably harmed, are never going to be okay? And

(01:51:05):
proving that they caused it themselves? What is the benefit
of that, right? I don't know, No, I don't think so.
It's probably just like me being a revenge monster or
some shit like that. Like it's it's it's my most
like base instinct kind of you know, animal brain.

Speaker 4 (01:51:22):
That's like I want to prove, you know, but it's
not compassionate, it's not helpful. It's me becoming them.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
I guess, yeah, a little bit, a little bit. You're
not get the barge, all right?

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
Speaking of barges, you ever heard of El.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
Salvador I have heard of El Salvador.

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
It's theoretically a sovereign nation somewhere in Central America.

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
Not sure where.

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
They all kind of look alike, all those countries there, Well,
they all have the same flag.

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
Yeah, for the most part.

Speaker 3 (01:51:59):
There's three countries that had the same flag, the two
blue bars and something in the middle. Okay, Honduras, Guatemala,
and El Salvador are not the same country very obviously,
but we're just making fun of how Americans don't know
the difference. Salvadoran officials have said for the first time
that more than one hundred and thirty Venezuelan migrants who
have been detained for months in the Megaprison in Ol

(01:52:20):
Salvador remain under the responsibility of the United States, according
to a court document that was filed Monday. The acknowledgment
was contained in a filing by the migrants lawyers in
US District Court in the District of Columbia. Marks a
significant contradiction of the Trump administration's repeated claims that it
lacked the authority to bring back the migrants because they

(01:52:42):
are no longer in US custody, like we can't bring
back a Brego Garcia because he's he's in El Salvador,
and that's its own country, and we don't control what
they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
So dumb.

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
The court document included the salvador And government's response to
United Nations in on behalf of four families, the lawyer said,
who have claimed that a relative was forcibly disappeared when
the Trump administration secretly sent them from US immigration detention
centers to Seacot in mid March. The Trump administration, which

(01:53:15):
is paying the Salvadorian government six million dollars to Wow,
what a number to house the migrants for a year.
It's a little on the nose, guys, has not released
a list of people who were sent to the prison
that day, and the filing submitted the US District Judge
James Boseburg, the one who's overseeing the same case with

(01:53:38):
Kilmarbrego Garcia. The Salvadoran government deferred responsibility for the relatives
of the four families and other migrants in their custody
to the Trump administration. Of course, quote, the jurisdiction and
legal responsibility for these people lie exclusively with the competent
foreign authorities. Salvadoran authority said in the document, El Salvador

(01:53:59):
said out loud what everybody knew. The United States is
in charge of the Venezuelans shipped off in the middle
of the night and back in March, said legal learned
from the ACLA. Are you shocked?

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
No, I mean it's clear. What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
So what's the recourse? What do we do?

Speaker 5 (01:54:19):
I mean, you you have to force the Trump administration
to bring these people back?

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
But then how do you do that?

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
Because Boseburg issues a ruling says bringing back or I
hold you in contempt. He did that?

Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
Yeah, I say that's been done.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
And they were like, no, I guess they.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
Did bring back They did by what? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
They then they.

Speaker 5 (01:54:45):
Charged him here immediately speaking about a Brego Garcia, like
there's an update on his case, right, so tomorrow Brego
Garcia is being held in a jail in Tennessee right now,
pending federal charges for human trafficking that is tied to
a traffic stop that happened in twenty two.

Speaker 4 (01:55:00):
Need to that there does not seem to be any
evidence presented in court about yet, right right, Like we
haven't seen the Affidavid for the charging documents that's all sealed,
and his lawyers haven't been able to successfully challenge that. Also,
DHS says that they're going to immediately deport him if
he's released from that pending custody or that that that

(01:55:20):
custody pending trial for whatever other reason, because he's got
a wall for order to deport as long as it's
not to El Salvador. Right, So they're holding him and
they're also threatening to deport him.

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
What is it like? This is this is this coughka,
lawless bullshit? What are we doing here the United States?

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
It's not.

Speaker 4 (01:55:48):
So you know in America, right, if he charged me
with a crime, I have the six Amendment says I
have the right to confront my accuser and present evidence
in my own defense. And that is what that and
a trial by jury that is what we now interpret
as like the Miranda rights. Or it's like, okay, show

(01:56:09):
me what you're charging me with and I get a
chance to cross examine the evidence in front of the
in front of me. Here his lawyers are in court
saying show us what you're charging him with and the
government saying no, And they're saying, well, then if you're
not going to charge him, let him out, And they're like, well,
if we let him out, we're going to deport him.
So then the lawyers are fighting to like, well keep

(01:56:30):
him in jail then so he doesn't get deported.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
Like how can you have both sides of that coin?
I don't understand it, And I think they said today
that they were definitely going to deport him if they
let him out. So, you know, put up or shut
up at some point, and the judges have a responsibility here.
Boseburg kind of got close to it in the initial
rounds of this.

Speaker 4 (01:56:52):
He was like, Yo, bring me the evidence, like tomorrow,
I'm holding you in contempt. And then they're like, well,
it's going to take us three days to get It's
like fine, three days.

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
Get the ship to me now, and then they just
didn't do it. He's like, I'm holding you in contempt
and they're like whoa, wha wait a minute. But like
they need to issue a bench warrant for fucking Pam
Bondi or somebody and and be like, give me the
documents or I'm putting a fucking warrant to throw you
in jail. The problem is who enforces the warrant. Who
goes out and gets her The executive branch specifically the

(01:57:22):
US Marshals right, which are controlled by Pam Bondy yep,
because they're part of the Justice Department exactly. Brian is here.

Speaker 11 (01:57:33):
Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
No break has been tough, man.

Speaker 3 (01:57:40):
We had to sing our own stuff. We had to
pretend to be Jay Scott Smith. It's been it's been
a show.

Speaker 11 (01:57:48):
Say that's that's that's real radio, right, Marathon Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
It is two hours to those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:57:56):
And I haven't even begged anybody for money yet. You
want a tote bag?

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
Mhmm.

Speaker 4 (01:58:03):
This service is only possible because you, the listeners, contribute
to to your local beltwet radio station.

Speaker 3 (01:58:09):
You know, without you, we couldn't be here. And we
need your money. If you're listening and not paying your
your stealing or something, I don't know how do they do.

Speaker 5 (01:58:18):
That's what we hate Viewers like you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:26):
Yeah'd been good.

Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
That's that's tes Totenberg right there, you big dumb it.

Speaker 7 (01:58:36):
There you go out, Marian, Yeah, yeah, throw all the
sound effects, all the ones, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:58:46):
Speaking of begging people for money, it's time to do that.
So remember how many times I've said I wanted to
a church, yeah, and the people in my life who
stopped me from doing this. Are people like Ted because
he has some sort of moral qualms about it, or
my wife who's like, it's not fair to make fun
of people for believing in things, which yes it is.

Speaker 1 (01:59:09):
Isn't that the whole thing? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:59:11):
Right, Well, the I r s just blew a giant
hole in all of that. They officially announced today this
thing that they've already been doing, which is not They're
not going to enforce the Johnson Amendment that says that
you can't endorse candidates and keep your nonprofit status. So now, Tez,
can I.

Speaker 12 (01:59:30):
Start my chipchat church and fleecy idiots and and like
you know, not report anything and just we can still
endorse candidates.

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
It seems to be. I mean, this ruling was kind
of crazy. I mean, I don't know how how they're I.

Speaker 5 (01:59:47):
Mean, the blurred lines of like separation the church and
state have always been a little weird, I think obviously
in this country, but like this I thought was like
settled law, right.

Speaker 4 (02:00:02):
Yeah, but they've always gotten around it by having the
factors say things like I'm not endorsing this as your pastor,
I'm doing it as a personal exactly while standing on
the pulpit you know, and it's not like you know.

Speaker 1 (02:00:15):
It's just a front like the fact that like to
end to not enforce it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
Like.

Speaker 3 (02:00:25):
So one of the things I learned about this is
that for years there have been churches that do this
thing I think they call it Johnson Amendment Day where
they film themselves endorsing candidates from the pulpit in their
full capacity as a church and then mail that to

(02:00:45):
the I R S and dare them to take away
their status and it never happens. So this is essentially
like saying out loud the thing they've already been doing.
But right, uh, it just feels ichy, but feels like chipchat.

(02:01:08):
Church is in in business, literally in business. Also, we're
not We're not out here saving souls people.

Speaker 1 (02:01:15):
We are business. Tax code.

Speaker 10 (02:01:18):
That is our our.

Speaker 3 (02:01:19):
Core belief as a religion is that that we and
our followers should not have to pay taxes. And what
we are going to do, as our sincerely held belief
is develop a tax scheme to get you out of
paying your taxes. All you have to do is join
us and cut us in on some of the profit

(02:01:40):
and biased beer.

Speaker 1 (02:01:41):
Yah, there you go. We might be we could be
a nonprofit but we're all for profit.

Speaker 3 (02:01:47):
We're not for profit. No, we're for you making a
profit and hiding it with us.

Speaker 1 (02:01:53):
Yes, there you go.

Speaker 3 (02:01:56):
That's the that's what. And we're social welfare oration We're
promoting things, you know, to help the social welfare of
the nation. And the best way to do that is
for you, dear listeners to give us money and we'll

(02:02:17):
use that to reach more listeners. Kay, because God said so,
Because God said sounds funny, Prove he didn't. Oh look,
I can't unring that bell. See how this keeps happening.
Never happens. Fucking morons. Okay, here's the big story that

(02:02:38):
I think is gonna be kind of.

Speaker 4 (02:02:39):
Like buried, but I I think everybody needs to pay
attention to this. This one's about Pickled pet. So Pickled
p is nominally Secretary of Defense right now. I don't
think he's going to be Secretary Defense for very long
because he keeps getting in trouble. He did Signal Gate,
he did all of the other things. He's drunk all
the time, allegedly.

Speaker 1 (02:03:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:03:01):
I mean, I was drinking with him at ten am
on a Wednesday, so I'm sure you know. No, I
wasn't I'll do that, do that on Saturdays.

Speaker 1 (02:03:11):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (02:03:12):
So you remember like last week when when it was
announced that they were pausing weapons ship in Ukraine, and
everybody's like, hah, that seems a little weird. Like they're
getting bombed by Russia every single day. They kind of
need these patriot missiles and like they're already in Poland,
like they got all the way there. Why are they

(02:03:32):
stopping And it's like that that just seems weird. And
then like two days ago, three days ago, Trump has
a phone call with Putin. He gets off the phone
and he goes to his cabinet meeting and he says
everything Putin says is bullshit.

Speaker 4 (02:03:47):
That's a direct quote. He goes, He's very nice about
how he says it, but it's bullshit. And so then
the reporters are like, what are you gonna do about
the weapons. He's like, oh, we're sending weapons to Ukraine.
They can defensive weapons. We're sending him, you know, patriot
missiles and all the other stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:04:04):
And the reporters are like, well, who paused the weapons
shipments in the first place. And at the time I
thought it was Trump being snarky he goes, I don't know,
why don't you tell me?

Speaker 1 (02:04:14):
Yeah, he was dead ass serious.

Speaker 3 (02:04:16):
But he was dead ass serious. He was like, I
don't know, could you tell me please? Because it turns
out it was pistol pete headseid Uh. He apparently paused
the weapons shipments, maybe by accident, maybe not understanding a directive,
but certainly without clearing it with the White House. And

(02:04:38):
this is the second time he's done that, and it
caught the President totally off guard, and he looked like
a moron, I mean even more than normal, right, Like
he's a moron, but he doesn't like being made a
fool of and he said very definitely made a fool
of him. He paused the weapons. He didn't tell me
did it? And then everybody caught on to it. What's

(02:04:59):
how many scaramouchies does he have left?

Speaker 1 (02:05:03):
Too?

Speaker 5 (02:05:03):
He likes he likes this guy, he likes him on TV.
But I mean he's he's his pitbull too. So just like,
I don't know, but I don't know how he can
keep going on like this.

Speaker 4 (02:05:14):
It's uh, yeah, here's this bullshit like answer from the press.
See Secretary of hesth provided a framework for the President
to evaluate military aid shipments and assessed existing stockpiles.

Speaker 3 (02:05:30):
The effort was coordinated across government. Funny, they didn't seem
to get that. Yeah, if he knew about it, he
certainly didn't know that he knew about it.

Speaker 1 (02:05:40):
It seems like there's only one person that matters to actually.

Speaker 3 (02:05:43):
Know about this, right uh.

Speaker 4 (02:05:46):
Two of the sources that said that Hexath did this
without clearing it with the White House attributed him not
informing the White House to the fact that that Glapine
has no chief.

Speaker 3 (02:05:56):
Of staff or trusted advisors around him that might urge
him to coordinate major policy to how does he not
have a chief of staff because he fired them for
doing signal games, which.

Speaker 1 (02:06:09):
Crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:06:11):
You know, maybe Marco Rubio can be his team.

Speaker 1 (02:06:14):
Yeah, of course you have another job to do that too,
why not?

Speaker 3 (02:06:19):
And finally, Brian's back, just in time. Brian, I don't
suppose you can cueue up this video? Nope, nope, like
major DJing to ourselves and Okay, I'm gonna try. Before

(02:06:41):
we do this, there's like a few important things that
people maybe need to know. There's a country in Africa
called Liberia. It was created by the United States in
the eighteen twenties as a place to send enslaved black

(02:07:01):
people back to when people.

Speaker 1 (02:07:04):
Are like, go back to Africa, original back to Africa. Yes.

Speaker 4 (02:07:08):
The capital of this country is called Monrovia, which is
named after James Monroe, who was the President of the
United States who created this colony slash country to mail
black people back to Africa too. It has since that
time and always been an English speaking country because it

(02:07:31):
was set up by America. Their flag looks like our flag,
but instead of having fifty stars, just as one big star.
So think like Texas, but with more stripes.

Speaker 3 (02:07:43):
That's the things you need to know for this video
that I'm about to show you to make any sense.
All Right, We're gonna see if this works, and I'm
gonna learn why Brian works so hard at this. We're
gonna we're gonna try. Okay, let's see, all right, can
you see the thing?

Speaker 10 (02:08:03):
I cannot see it yet. No, there it is, okay, uh.
And I've got the sound on here.

Speaker 3 (02:08:14):
Now. I got to make sure that the sound is
on on the screen. We're gonna see. Let's see.

Speaker 2 (02:08:22):
You want to encourage you hear that involvement in the
investment in in Liberia, I would like to see that happen.

Speaker 3 (02:08:33):
We want to Okay, the guy speaking is the president
of Liberia.

Speaker 4 (02:08:39):
Okay, the guy over here is Donald Trump mm hmm,
who is nominally the president of the United States.

Speaker 1 (02:08:51):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (02:08:52):
Oh, ready work with the United States in peace and
security within the region, because we are committed to that,
and we just want to thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:09:03):
So much for this opportunity.

Speaker 8 (02:09:05):
Well, thank you in such good English, such beautiful Where
you Where did you learn to speak so beautifully? Where
were you educated? Where in Liberia? Well that's very interesting,
it's beautiful English. I have people at this table can't
speak nearly as well.

Speaker 1 (02:09:24):
They come from.

Speaker 13 (02:09:29):
Okay, yeah, so that happened. How can you be this
stupid and racist at the same time.

Speaker 1 (02:09:46):
I've got to laugh at it because it's kind of fun.
It's not funny, but like beautiful English, like you were
saying a poem or something.

Speaker 3 (02:10:02):
What did he expect him to speak?

Speaker 11 (02:10:05):
Yeah, he's a moron.

Speaker 1 (02:10:09):
He expected clicks and Zulu mask in there.

Speaker 3 (02:10:16):
Like Kyla Harry Bushman's.

Speaker 1 (02:10:18):
He was floored, obviously, you see his face.

Speaker 11 (02:10:20):
He was like, No, I think he found like some
spiritual awakening, especially the way he talked about oh, my god,
you speak so beautiful English.

Speaker 1 (02:10:33):
Took out his cabinet at the table, he took the cabinets.

Speaker 11 (02:10:39):
Fucking morons.

Speaker 1 (02:10:41):
I'm sorry, going on, God.

Speaker 11 (02:10:44):
This it's like what you've never lived out, you know,
they know, they just visit places, they don't really live anywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:10:50):
So it's it's insane. What are we doing?

Speaker 3 (02:10:57):
Man?

Speaker 1 (02:10:58):
So such beautif English?

Speaker 3 (02:11:01):
Brian lived in Africa. You know, there are a lot
of countries in Africa that are native English speakers, like.

Speaker 11 (02:11:10):
Not not necessarily, I mean mostly it's either French and
it's still kept their native dialect or you know, especially
where I was, you know the Africaners and you know
that mixer of German garble. But yeah, honestly, you know

(02:11:31):
those who spoke beautiful English. Maybe they I mean they learned,
of course, I mean based off of you know, not
of time, you know, the occupation they had down there.
So yeah, it's of course they're gonna learn.

Speaker 1 (02:11:48):
He's the president of Liberia. Of course he speaks.

Speaker 11 (02:11:50):
Against and it is well, dumb moron.

Speaker 3 (02:11:58):
It's it is.

Speaker 4 (02:12:00):
So like countries I know in Africa that have English
as an official language. There's like at least half a
dozen that I can name.

Speaker 3 (02:12:11):
I know Ghana's one. I know that Sierra Leone speaks English.

Speaker 2 (02:12:16):
I know that.

Speaker 3 (02:12:16):
Of course, Liberia speaks English. Nigeria beautiful English speaks English.
Like those are there like native languages to a lot
of the people that they they never didn't speak English,
like this guy always spoke English.

Speaker 11 (02:12:36):
But it's not good. But but but to but to
the morons at that table, it was so beautiful. It
was beautifully the dialect, that the tone, the way he spoke,
and in amazing it came from a black man from Africa.

Speaker 1 (02:12:51):
Yeah, it's like a tear coming to his eyes talking
about it's so weird.

Speaker 3 (02:12:57):
It's it's so unly remarkable. Look at his.

Speaker 1 (02:13:01):
Face, beautiful English. Look at the president's face. President's Liberia's
face is like what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (02:13:08):
So he tried to laugh it off, right, he was like, yes, sir,
I speak English. And he's like where did you learn it?

Speaker 1 (02:13:17):
And what are you supposed to do?

Speaker 5 (02:13:18):
Because like they're obviously they're trying to get concessions from him.

Speaker 1 (02:13:20):
So you can't. You almost have to, like you can't
laugh at him. No, so you might want to.

Speaker 11 (02:13:28):
So let's say this, So Trump has met two African
nation presidents one.

Speaker 3 (02:13:35):
He most recent time.

Speaker 11 (02:13:36):
Yeah, and this and the second term where he compliments
in a way with one and pretty much degregates another.
And it's like, okay, dude, South.

Speaker 3 (02:13:52):
Africa, but genocide that isn't happening, right, And and their
president Sarah Ramaposa was like, would you tell me where
this is happening?

Speaker 1 (02:14:01):
So we also in beautiful English.

Speaker 14 (02:14:07):
Speak in South Africa. Yes, boy, that Trevor Noah speaks
beautiful English, beautiful English. That Elon must speaks beautiful English.

Speaker 3 (02:14:18):
I'm shocked.

Speaker 11 (02:14:19):
No, no, no, no, no, no, Elon, Elon. That English
is garbage. Now it's all about you know, like Trevor
Noa and everybody.

Speaker 3 (02:14:28):
Else else speaks beautiful English. I mean, I'm shocked.

Speaker 1 (02:14:32):
Beautiful what a fucking moron.

Speaker 3 (02:14:36):
All right, well that's our last part of the show.

Speaker 1 (02:14:39):
So now yeah, our first break.

Speaker 3 (02:14:42):
We're at the end of the show. Our guests they
had to to read books, so fifty fifty first in
you go check them out. You can find them. They
have really cool stuff. Please go check them out. Why
and thank you radio partners, Radio Monrovia, Radio Lagos and

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Radio all the other people who speak English and apples
beautiful English, beautiful English.

Speaker 4 (02:15:12):
Thanks to NTN for keeping us on for another week.
We know they do not speak English in New Orleans,
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Speaker 3 (02:15:22):
And thanks as always to our family here at Belwegh
Radio for making us sound as smooth as.

Speaker 1 (02:15:27):
The beautiful English.

Speaker 3 (02:15:29):
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Yah day off, Yay day off.

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So but most Thursday nights at nine thirty here on
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Speaker 1 (02:16:17):
With the subject.

Speaker 15 (02:16:18):
If we get famous, we can give a shout out
to Brian to get a sound on sons. What he'd
be trying. The show is like a custy feathered envy
and that knows words. How can we stingly when our
guest is hilly bird.

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In conclusion, the messages to.

Speaker 15 (02:16:30):
Go while and serve folks, whether that's our music or
if you just tell jokes.

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