Homes not Borders or how Trump bombed Iran

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
H M, it is nine thirty out of Thursday night

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can mean one an only thing that this is chip chat.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Welcome to chick Chat, everybody, I'm chick who you test?
You just told them? Buddy, what did you? Where did
you get that?

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
That's this is a big issue, mitchellan obs obviously.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
People you think of the throwbacks what we used to
wear before jay Z told us that we I don't
wear jerseys. I'm thirty plus, but there was a time
where everybody used to wear throwbacks. Mitchellan Ness was the
look you're wearing.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
I'm literally wearing a hockey sweater though. That's the oriel
one right.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's an Orioles hockey sweater, so it is.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
But I thought, you know, I thought, with so much
U war going on, I said, you know, bullets makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
I was wearing my Bullets throwback, not throwback like twenty
four to twenty five giveaway shirt, the reversible one yes
district across the front.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Last night because we there was the draft and I
was on Ish Talk with our good buddy b More.
Oh no, so I was like, hey, you know, let's
talk about I'm gonna wear the draft. We didn't talk
about the draft, but but I was prepared shout out
to the Bullets. By the way, pick up Trey Johnson.
You know he had a yes. I can't wait for

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him to demand a trade in year three.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Look, no, no, here's we can't get into this, can't
become Wizards. Talk right, We're not on night or anything.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Right. I will, God will. But it feels like with
moving pool with middle Great, Jordan.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Great, it is insane move removing him, removing Kyle Kuzma
the issue you had And I heard this a Mena
Hassen had said this, I think either a couple of
days ago or today, and you remove individuals who the
younger the younger players are looking up to, who they

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really shouldn't be and with a man is smart, which
I don't know. I mean he thinks he's still in
a contract with us. But no, I mean, like, no,
Marcus Smart, Chris Middleton, those are veterans, right, and they like,
I'm not mad if my younger players are like listening
to them, I'd rather that than Kyle Kuzma or Jordan Poole.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, that's a fair argument. Not that they're like gonna
turn them into superstars or anything, but they'll teach them
how to keep out of trouble.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
And yeah, yeah, like I think all those folks, like
those young guys on the team, who's above what my
Blair his name above?

Speaker 3 (03:39):
It's above herrings and a camera bove harringson?

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Maybe maybe Harrington who No one's watching enough Wizards basketball.
That's the problem right now, But why would you be?
But no, I mean, I pray that.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
The team does well. I love that team.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
I haven't been to I haven't been to an NBA
playoff game since what twenty fifteen?

Speaker 3 (03:57):
I remember what that felt like. I know we ever
went new, but you know when we've been.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Most thing I've ever experienced in all of my sports
life was a Bullets playoff game, Wizards playoff game against Cleveland.
Oh yeah, where we against Lebron's Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
First. I don't know where you're at. I already know
when we were.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
We were down seventeen at the half, and then we
started the third third quarter and went twenty one unanswered
points and it was like the show and it was
you know, the agent Zero Kron Butler, Antoine Jamison like
it was and it was electric. I mean it blew
the lid off the MCI Center and I have yet

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to experience anything that exciting ever. Again, we lost that series,
but we won that game.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
So I watched them against Toronto the year we won
and that was just huge, Like I mean, advancing.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
It's crazy when it happens, all right. Anyway, Yeah, there
was a a draft yesterday, but that's not what we're
here to talk about. We are going to talk tonight
to Laura thompsoner Surrey from Home's not borders, uh, And
we're gonna talk to her about refugees and resettling them
because that's now very very very much. Well, it's always
been important, but it's somehow more in the news because

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you know the things. Of course, we have to discuss
the newest wars. There's several, there's a new one every day.
Somebody wants a Nobel Peace Prize.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
He does. That's it. That's a that is reported fact.
That's been reported.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
He wanted the first time.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, like that's what he's out here shooting for, shooting for.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
That.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Joe Bomb might say it exploded.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
If I hit this bell any harder, I'm gonna need
Pete hagg set to come out and give a briefing
about it the next morning.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Oh wow, I'll drink to that. Yeah, that's what. That's
one of our better strings right there. Now, that one
was music, right, we were playing notes right there. Oh

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my god, that was one of our better ones.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Why we're only allowed to do this once a week?

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Oh god?

Speaker 6 (06:26):
Yeah, okay, anyway, Yes, speaking of wars, RFK is at
war with vaccines, and Trump is at war with the
judges in Maryland.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
For whatever reason, New York had some stuff happening. I
think you're there. I'm here, Yeah, I'm here.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Uh so we'll.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Ask you about that and big balls because she doesn't
love a story about big balls.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Who doesn't.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, So, also, in case anything happens, I just want
to preface this the you know, it's been nine hundred
degrees outside with like eighty percent humidity.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
It is finally condensed enough that it's raining.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
So if you hear the boomers in the background, it
was in the middle of a thunderstid.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
It was still like ninety six there today, right, it was.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
It was stupid hot. The last three days have been
stupid hot, and it's been broken.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
It broke here today where it was like seventy seven,
and I was like, even when it rained, I went
outside because I was like, please.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, it's been dangerously hot and it's been wrecking, like
you know, Metro was on the reduced speed and all
that stuff, and the tracks are buckling, and my chillers
were having a terrible time and I'm dealing with my
just this is not related to the show at all,
but like, just since I had the platform going to

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let you know when it's ninety seven outside, if it's
seventy six or something inside where you are, the system
is working because your twenty degrees cooler than outside, and
shut up and stop putting in tickets.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Okay, it's working, you know. To the train thing.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
I took Amtrak up here and it was so hot Monday,
and I got a eight five point thirty PM train.
It was so hot that they were on the restrictions
and it took me and I'm on the aceller too, right,
It took me one hour to get to Baltimore Penn Station,
which is insane, Like that's a that's a fifteen minute

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train ride on the Asella, Like yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Literally, it was so hot that Amtrak Rode Joe Biden hilarious.
Oh we can't do those. Are we not doing Biden
jokes anymore? We can't do Biden?

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Oh yeah, yeah, actually yeah, that's what I mean. I mean,
this whole show is in poor taste at time. So
five times.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Okay, speaking of which, you got you got a word
to follow up after big balls?

Speaker 3 (08:52):
No, right after that one? No? Oh yeah, of course
I have a word. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely have a word. Yeah,
all right, Uh.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, okay, I've got a word. We're going business, yeah, okay,
So sit back, grab some it's mock time. You're listening
to the best show, the only show, tip Chat on
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jip Jet. You're on Belwy Radio and beyond. I'm yours
jip with me is tz all right? Now it's time to.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Do some headline la time. Are you ready?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Do you want to go first?

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Hey, I'll go ahead, I'll kick it out all right.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
The founder of Fedix died this week, fifty two years
after founding the company. Heaven has a tracking number, but
so far he is delayed in transit.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
That's correct.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Jd Vance called previous presidents dumb in the same week
that his boss tweeted out his own name in all
caps as Dunn Act d O n A K D
Donn Act.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
The US carried out airstrikes against Iran and their nuclear
program after Trump finally learned where Iran was on a mat.
That's right.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Trump attacked iron because he needed something that would bomb
faster than his legislative agenda.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, people like medicare man A lot of people like it.
They love it.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
A US strikes run Iran came after more than a
week of Israel pounding Iran's air defenses, proving once again
that Trump always gets foreigners to do what used to
be American job.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
That's wow, that's crazy. Wow.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Assessments of the strike indicated it did damage, but there's
no evidence that it obliterated the Iranian nuclear program. As
Trump initially stated, Trump was mistakenly reading from the script
set up to describe how drunk Pete Headset was.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
That's another formable obliteration.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
The morning after the strike, Peak Headsets made a statement
at the Pentagon, during which he praised Trump for half
an hour before turning it over to the expert. This
is head sets standard morning after a night of getting
bombed while the two he brought home for uber Oh
my god, I don't know why not sleep.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Not Trump cult member and mom who clearly wants to
fight the ref at our kids basketball game. Marjorie Taylor
Green criticized Trump for getting the US into yet another
Middle East war. So I guess it's true what they say.
A broken clock does have a busted face.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Oh my god. Press Secretary of Caroline Levy set a
new record for yelling lies at the loudest volume in
while in the White House briefings with me Sewn Spicer
presenting her with the trophies say he was glad to
see that. It went to a quote a white one.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Temperatures in the eastern half of the US are dangerously high,
or as we call them around here the Bam Good
Gross show. That's an inside Beltway radio joke. But it
kills trust me all right.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Like the heat.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Seriously, it's so hot outside you could fry an egg
on the cement, but it wouldn't cost too much since Trump.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
But it would cost too much since Trump never brought
down egg prices.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
That's right, Uh, test is idle your idol? Jerome Powell
testified on the Hill this week for two whole days,
which is a long time to talk and say nothing.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
And he's said there, you know, he said, we're gonna
look at the data or follow the data.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
That dude is like addicted to data. He has never
seen enough data in his life, you know what.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
That's what I want my fed chair to do. Right.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
No, I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm just saying they're like, so, sir,
do you have enough data? And he's like, you know,
he's like the Scrooge McDuck of data. He's got this
giant vault of data. Yeah, he's like swimming in reams
of paper and he's like, it's not enough data.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Soon the data probably won't mean anything or be correct.
Rky's new vaccine committee began meeting.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
No word yet on how much bleached they recommended for measles.
I'd say two cupsful, that's right.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Jeff Bezos is getting married to Lauren Sanchez in Venice
for reported ten dollars. It is a three day event,
but it could have been too if he had prime.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Even as oh god, I knew I was gonna end
up with this one. Oh God, damn it. I was
reading this earlier, and I was like, how do I avoid?
And I didn't calculate which one I should have?

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Not one first? All right, here we go.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
The trial against PDD Combs is wrapping up in New York,
but according to several witnesses, he usually didn't.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yes, White women in America were glued to the verdict
in a trial featuring a thing called Karen Reid. The
only Karen Reid we know about is when tes gets
a book about white ladies.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
A Karen read is like a white woman's book. Like
that's like, you know, like a Karen read, Like it's
a Karen Read. Yeah, it's not like Oprah's Best. It's
a Karen Read. Yeah, I don't. I don't know what
those books are because it's obviously not my genre, but you.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Know they are true crimes where short haircuts win the day.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
There you go, except for the plane. All right, today's
show is brought to you by the letters. Okay, CE, S,
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and W. There you go.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
You don't know what that was, too bad? Congrats to
the Sonics, by the way, they they are in that one.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Oh god, you're know they're not the Sonics they are
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma City, title town.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Okay, see anyway, Uh yeah, they're okay the better, I mean.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
That's what Karen.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Stop doing that, Okay. Uh, here's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna take a break. When we come back from
the break, we're gonna talk to our guests. And I
don't think this would be the best time for Brian
to pull some of his shenanigans, but you never know
what he's gonna do, so.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 7 (16:15):
I think you'll get some proper decent education from this
upcoming video.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
I am frightened.

Speaker 8 (16:21):
I haven't been here the last time I was doing
anything out the last week.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
But last time I did anything, y'all, I was frightened,
and I'm very worried about.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
What's so apologies in advance to our esteem. We are
very sorry. We can't control what Brian does. He is
our producer. He controls what we do. That's just how
radio works. Yeah, so we're gonna take a break.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
We'll be right back here listening to the Brian. Sure,
I'm wearing ye frightened.

Speaker 9 (17:08):
Oh, rocking on a roads mission and expression over the horizon.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
What can it be?

Speaker 10 (17:16):
The pilgrim self the seat to find a place to
call their own. In their ship black Flower, they hope
to find a better hole.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
If I knocked on from that rock.

Speaker 10 (17:28):
And someone said we're there, it may not look like home,
but at this point.

Speaker 11 (17:34):
I don't care.

Speaker 10 (17:36):
Oh, they were missing mothering Land. They swore their loyalty
until the very end. Anything you say, King, it's okay, King,
You know it's kind of scary on your own. Gonna
build a new lamp, a lad with plan, put your
help us run it till let's go. They've lanted corn,

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you know. They built their houses one by one, and
bit by bit they worked until the colonies were gone.
They looked around here, up and down, and some one
said forever. If the King could only see us now,
he would be proud of us today. They knew that
now they'd run their own man. But George the Third

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still out. He'd ruled them to the end. Anything I
say do it my way. Now, anything I say, he
do it my way. Don't you get the feeling independent,
Because I'm gonna.

Speaker 11 (18:36):
Force you to obey.

Speaker 10 (18:39):
He attacks their property. He didn't give them any choice,
and back in England didn't give them any Boy that's
called taxation without representation, and it's not there. But when
the colonies complained, the king said, I don't care he

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even has the nerve to tax our CUPU T.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
To put it kindly, King.

Speaker 10 (19:08):
We really don't agree. Gonna show you how it be.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
We're gonna dump.

Speaker 12 (19:14):
This tea, turn this hard.

Speaker 10 (19:17):
Into the biggest cup of tea in history. They wanted
no more Mother, They knew the time had come for
them to take command.

Speaker 9 (19:30):
It's very clear your being untacking.

Speaker 10 (19:33):
No matter what you say, we won't know. They gonna
hold a revolution now, King, and we're gonna run it
all away with no more quy.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
We're gonna elect no more Key's gonna do what the
people want, no more quy. We're gonna run things our way,
no more key here tell us what to do.

Speaker 9 (19:50):
Rocking out elsation and a spassion over the horizon.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Where can it be?

Speaker 9 (19:55):
The psych is going to be a free country?

Speaker 3 (20:05):
All right?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Welcome back to chip Chat here on Don't Wait Radio
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Speaker 3 (20:10):
And that was not here? Was that? That was not
Schoolhouse Rock was.

Speaker 7 (20:18):
A classic Schoolhouse Rocke. At the end, I saw I
saw the video on like a Instagram uh slash TikTok thing,
and I figured it's like, oh, let me mess it
up for today's show. So we see the original song

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and then that last bit you know about the kings thing.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
It works perfectly.

Speaker 7 (20:44):
So shout out to the artists who did the recreation
of the what happened during the No King parades and
stuff like that. So it worked perfectly. So I kept
it kosher. I kept it safe, you know, for you guys,
you know, good, completely different.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
I'm worried about the next break number one for the
for later. I saw it.

Speaker 7 (21:11):
Yes, if it's there, it's been made into the cut
or not.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Okay, you know, don't trust what I send you.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
This is why we pay you the big peppercorns. Yeah, yes,
all right. Uh so we're gonna talk to Laura now. Uh.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Laura Thohnson of Surrey has been with Homes Not Borders
since the start, when it grew out of her involvement
with the National Community Church Refugee Care Mission, which is
a lot harder to say than Homes Not Borders. She
insisted that she was just going to help volunteer for
a few hours a week and nothing more. Since then,

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she's been the executive director like for forever. She's also
the co founder of DC Street newspaper Street Sense, which
we're gonna have her back to talk about some other time,
and she was the editor and executive director from two
thousand and four to two thousand and nine, and then
briefly helped them out in twenty eleven. She helped grow
it from a project with the National Coalition of the

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Homeless to its thriving nonprofit helping hundreds of homeless individuals today,
which she still advises the organization. So again we will
talk to her about that, but we want to talk
to her about Home's nott Borders. Laura, Welcome to Chipchat, Brian.
Make sure her audio works. Ope, it's her audio.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Sorry, I turned myself off because I don't want to
do something wrong.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
No, that's okay. Watch the show so far it's all wrong. Yeah,
all right.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
So the very first and most important question is do
you have to wake up each day listening to Tom Petty?

Speaker 1 (22:55):
No? No, no, I don't know what song do you
have in mind?

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Don't have to live like a refugee's.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Oh no, okay, sorry, my head amazing went to American American. Yeah,
she was an American girl. That's where I don't know why, but.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, no, that's a great song. Not that refugee isn't
a great song as well. There's a lot of great
petty songs, I know, just.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Like thought that.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Okay, Well, thank you. I appreciate that. It's always better
when you get to explain the joke.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
That's how when the person tells you it's funny, you
know it's super funny. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Thanks anyway, Okay, so, uh, tell us a little bit
before we get into all of our hard questions. Tell
us a little bit about what Homestop Borders does. Just
full disclosure, we did have Albus Mussa on the show
many years ago talking about the organization, which is how
I ended up on your mailing list and donated some

(23:51):
things and all that stuff. So tell us about what
y'all do.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, my home stop boarders in grassroots off it that
helps refugees and forced migrants in the DC area. Our
mission is to help refugees and force migrants thrive and
feel at home. Kind of our main program is or
was I guess, was doing home setups upon arrival for
new refugees. And I keep saying out the force migrants,

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but including them as well, and so we provide we
provide everything the home furnishings, the household goods, everything you know,
to completely make a house a home, and would do
it all for free, saving them lots of money and
saving them the time and you know, the resources to
to move and everything like that. So we did that,
and then we've expanded, we expanded some other programs. We

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have a cash assistance program that helps with job training
people seeking job training. We have an artist in program
where we help refugee women sell you know, artists and goods,
and we're we've expanded into training and workshops as well.
And then we have a storytelling program with a boss
actually helped us launch, which kind of spreads you know,
stories of refugees throughout Oh there you go. There's website

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which which you know, gets the messages and helps refugees
learn themselves to share their own stories. And now we've
recently watched a mentoring program as well that you know,
kind of helps newly arrived refugees, uh pardon me, kind
of navigate the DC area, partnering them with volunteers and
mentors and kind of building community. So that's our programs

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and that's what we do. Yeah, so, and but you know,
things have changed drastically since since January twentieth everything else.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
So you seem to have read the very first question.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
That's the first question in the script totally.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
I'm just going to read a word for word. It
says right here, refugees have always faced hard times, which
is usually why they are seeking refuge, but things in
the US have changed drastically. How do you see the
state of play for refugees now?

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Well, I mean it's it's awful. I mean, so going back,
our borders started on the keel what we we you know,
started with through National Community Church as the mission like
on the heels of searing crisis in twenty end of
two thous and sixteen, so twenty seventeen, so we were
just a baby, you know, kind of you know, side product.

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We were nothing when Trump was president last time. But
we knew we knew, you know, I was there and
our director operations were there, and we kind of knew
the how things went then, how things were drastically cut back,
But there were still refugees coming in, mostly Afghans because
you know, that's still Afghanistan was We were still in Afghanistan,

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but there was a lot of SIV's coming in and
stuff like that, and you know, there were still refugees,
but much smaller numbers. So we kind of felt that
was going to be the case this time around, and
it's it's just it's even more it's even more bad
than one could expect, and it changes every day. So
like the so just like stopping all refugees on January
twenty fourth, when they declared it, when they kind of

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just said they're going to pause the refugee program. They said,
then then they're gonna post some calls for ninety days,
and it's been more than ninety days. They haven't gotten
back with any and for you know, they had, they
didn't get back with their review. It still paused. They
pulled the the contracts from all the resettlement agencies. They
are the agencies that bring the refugees over those the
ones we partner with to help them, you know, upon
arrival and stuff like that. They pulled all the resettlement

(27:19):
contracts and canceled all those and you know, canceled funding
and all that stuff. So it's clear they don't want
to welcome refugees. So and and then there were I mean,
it's just a disaster. So the quest listener is like
who is coming in? What is happening in the refugee program?
Like why or what? Why do we what are we
doing now? I mean we're helping people that are currently

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here that recently arrive, but there are new arrivals that
so there's three groups of people that are coming in.
One is the sibs, the special a Mirgan visl holders
that helped that are Afghans that helped the US government.
There used to be sibs. Iraqi's a boss was one
of them you talked to. No more iraqis THEOS has
been long out of Iras, but mostly it's so it's

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mostly Afghans and they they are they go. They had
gone through the same system as refugees, like going through
their agencies, getting the settlement stipend, you know, getting their
flight sponsored by IOM to fly over here. And now
they're still issuing visas though much slower, and some people
have visas to begin with come January, but they have

(28:23):
to come on their own, pay for their own flight.
Then they come here and they have no support, which
is like ridiculous, Like exactly, You're like, what the fuck anyways,
but can I swear thanks?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
This gets me throwing a lot on this show.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Okay, great, great people come here for yes, great? So yeah,
so that is so that's what. So sibs are coming in,
and so in the whole scope of the U S
d C and Northern California and who and the like,
the you know, Houston area see or see a lot
of SIB's really here in Northern California mostly see the

(29:02):
most number of SIV. So we're still seeing like four
to us, you know, probably an average of four families
a week coming in there. They're coming in and there's
an organization called No One Left Behind who's helping to
pay for a lot of their flights and their big
organization and so there they're making sure they'd come to
family tie like as somebody who can support them and

(29:22):
like put them up. So that we still are seeing
a decent amount of volume, you know coming in back
you know, back at the end of you know, the
last quarter of twenty twenty four, I mean twenty twenty
four we saw I mean it was like twelve to
fourteen arrival. So it's definitely a lot less than it
was and even last year at this time, it was
probably you know eight, you know, it's a cut in half,

(29:44):
but it's still a steady stream as opposed to what
other parts of the country are seeing. So that's who's coming.
There's a lot in the DC area. There's also there
was like a big court case you might have heard
about it where a bunch of the resubtment agencies and
filed suit gainst the government saying like you have to
resettle these people. There were twelve thousand people in process

(30:04):
when the travel when when they canceled it like they
and some literally had tickets to fly, and they only
and it went through the works and they only said
these hundred and sixty people who like were scheduled to
fly like that day was canceled or something ridiculous. I
think it was the first week it was canceled, but
can come in And so it says one hundred and
sixty individuals. And I just heard today that they're trying

(30:25):
to say that if those hundred and sixty people are
coming from the country that are part of the travel ban,
then they're not allowed in because it applies to refugees,
which is even more ridiculous. So now the travel band
does not apply to sibs to Afghan sibs, so they're
exempted from it. And then the other group is the
ridiculous is the Afrikaners who they're claiming are refugees.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Or y's going to be the next question? Hold on,
you're jumping, I get that, Bloor. I guess the question
I have is, and I know this.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
I feel like I.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Have friends who are refugees, and like, even growing up
and going to school, I kept from other crisis. But
what is there are stories you can kind of share
with us of like refugees coming here, resettling and then
becoming like, for lack of a better word, Americans or
contributing to America, right, because I feel like that's not

(31:16):
really told. It's like we look at it as like
accepting folks into the country is a negative thing, but
it's actually a positive thing.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
And I'm sure you have got so many stories out here.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Do you think isn't that Steve Jobson's family got here
there were refugees from Lebanon?

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah, I mean there's there. Yeah, there's a ton Like
we have our staff. Why I'm like, white woman American,
I'm not a refugee that I like, I've been forever.
We have more than half our staff is our former refugees.
You know, we have a mall and a mall and
a they have been to be married. They came over
from Iraq about seven years ago. You know, a fear

(31:56):
was a driver for the ost military, came over. You know,
he's learned English. He's you know, moving ahead and he's
working for us now hopeful time as a movie. He's
actually expanding into carpentry and doing that on his own.
Those sorts of things. I mean, there's so many, there's
so many stories of people. I mean, they're they're hard
you know, they're hardworking people, like for everybody, but particularly

(32:17):
you know Mansia who came who's Afghan who came over
when she was like seven years old back in the eighties,
after you know, back then after the first war with
her dad, you know was was I forget what he was,
but he was you know, had a professional job in
Afghanistan and had to like start over as like a
janitor when he got here and worked up. So his
kids could you know, do what they're doing now and

(32:38):
get the life, you know, get a head in life
and that sort of thing. So, I mean, just there's
you know, there's endless stories and I'm sure you know
them too. I mean, it's not they're not a burden
to society. They give back, they baitaxes, their business owners,
they you know, they're Yeah, there's so many. I mean
I know several several Syrians I know like that have
started catering businesses that have you know, all sorts of

(32:59):
things because there's some good food. Man.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
So yeah, I mean there's one of these. I've seen
several studies that show the net economic benefits of refugees,
and in particular because it's often the people with the
most capacity to leave, you know, who have the high
skill occupations and stuff, who are the I mean, the

(33:23):
Germans made a bet on this and they and and
it paid off drastically for them, where they saw the
crisis in Syria and said, oh, well, we'll take the
first million right off the top, because those are going
to be all the doctors and lawyers and engineers and stuff.
And they they needed the workers, and so they got them,
and they rocketed ahead economically of a lot of the world,

(33:45):
and it helped them with their upside down population crisis.
You know, there was there was some census data that
I heard today that said that the average age in
the United States is now approaching four you know that
it's thirty nine and change. And that's a really bad
thing to hear.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
You know, you might not.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Think so, but like that the retired baby boomers now
outnumber children. There are more old people than children. And
if you look at societies where that's the case, and
you look at the sort of pyramid and it's upside down,
that's an economic disaster waiting to happen, because you will

(34:30):
run out of workers to support the retired folks, and
the economy will stop. And we have so many examples
of this, whether it's Japan, whether it's the crisis in
China that they're not not only did they repeal one
child policy, but they're now actively encouraging people to have
two and three. Vietnam, for is trying to force people
to have two and three children because they they are

(34:52):
facing this similar thing. But the United States has always
had this sort of solution to this problem, which is, well,
everybody wants to come here, We'll just let in enough
young workers, enough workers in general, and that will solve
this economic problem. And it had worked for so long
now that we're not bringing in new people to help

(35:15):
fix that demographic catastrophe. We're facing a big problem. And
I wonder if you know that argument has been tried
as like a way like hey, you dummy, let the
refugees in. It'll help the economy. Don't you like money?
I thought you like gold money? Want some money?

Speaker 1 (35:36):
No, And that's the thing with the with the refugees.
It's I mean, like you know, Trump ran on like
you know, getting rid of the you know whatever, criminals
people coming in illegally, but like refuge they are the
most they're legal, and they are vetted, so vetted. I mean,
it takes years and years and years to come to
the US as a refugee. Like that isn't you know.

(35:58):
You look at the like, you know, just place people
across the world. It's you know, I should know the number.
I don't, but it's million, you know, billions and millions
or whatever like that. And then like you come up
to like, you know, refugees that get to come to America,
let alone another you're like, it's such a tiny minority
and they're you know, by definition because they met all
those check marks and stuff or like the best of
the best when it comes to displaced people and to

(36:19):
say like we don't even want those, I mean, you know,
and then the asylum system is completely shut down as well.
I mean, just you know, again legal legal migration. They're
they're coming here and the refugee system is so slow,
and they said, you know, takes whatever five to seven
years to get here, you know, from first declaring that
you want to become a refugee kind of thing. It's

(36:41):
so slow. So people were coming. I mean, we know
again the majority of you know, displace people in the
DC area are Afghans, and they were coming across the
border because they just couldn't get out quick and you know,
the process was too slow to get out, so they
were you know, flying to veniceuver. I think they could
go to Venezuela and they were coming up you know,
the Daring Gap, like with all the other Latin American

(37:01):
refuge you know, force people and stuff like that. So
it's it's it's you know, the asylum seekerts just because
it's less obviously less vetted. It's they're they're just coming
because they're trying to flee war and stuff like that.
Like you know, I mean, they allowed Biden allowed for
parole to parole in a lot of Afghans, you know,
the Ukrainians, the Cubanizations of Venezuelans, because yeah, yeah, you garagua,

(37:25):
that's the end letter. Yeah. So he led in all
those for parole, realizing that the system is broken for
legal you know, people that are you know, forcibly displaced,
and trying to get them in so they could, you know,
so they could uh come to American you know, then
figure out the asylum process while they're in a safe country.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Are there any countries that will take American refugees, because
I know.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
We all thought about that.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
It was like I tried, like a bunch of them.
I was like, oh, we'll go to Ireland, right like,
we've in there.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
We like it.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
The people are nice, you know, and they're like, no,
you can't come in. You're American. We don't want you know.
You know, it's like the barrier to entry everywhere else
is very high.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
I mean, because people are literally being persecuted here. Like
it's it's you know, you you flea you can become
a rescue because you're plea for a persecution. There are
people being persecuted here, you know, reas.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Okay, go ahead, Tess, you were going to ask something.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
No the question I was having. It's kind of it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Deviate from this, but it's more lawyer's opinion on this
is that one thing that's interesting when folks are come
to America is an our only group that I kind
of could speak to our Cuban specifically, but I look
at like the Cuban population on like kind of how
they've voted now after they've been here for a long

(38:54):
time and it's been allowed to be here, but it
almost feels like over time, folks that can lean in
to like becoming American and then almost feel like it's
okay to cut off other people where maybe their families
actually went through the same process, but over here for
so long, it almost feels like they feel like they're
removed and they're no longer where they've come from, their

(39:17):
American which is cool, but then they don't necessarily like
pay it backwards.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
And I don't know, maybe you don't see that in there.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
But I pull the bridge up behind them, they pull
dow bridge up behind them. You know, it's like I'm
here that nobody else can come.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Yeah, I mean, I I've seen that just like in
the larger world, you know, view picture kind of thing,
but in at least what we've seen, I mean there's
a like especially with Afghanistan when that had like the
number like again like Njia who networks for us and
it's worked for since then, Like you know, she she's like,
I need help my people. You know, I've been here,

(39:52):
you know, grace of God there, you know, their god
kind of thing. And Amy who's also on her staff.
She came over as a like a two year old
she's from Vietnam and stuff like that, and there was
a huge accident. There's a huge response of Vietnamese people,
like when they saw Afghanistans, I mean, there was the
same scenes and planned leaving, you know, people hang off,
you know what they wanted to avoid, and so they

(40:13):
were really moved to like we need help, you know.
So I have seen I guess you could see both,
you know, you know, but I definitely have seen more of.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
It does seem like also not to make everything into
a political thing, but it's a political bad move. If
you look at some of the other refugee communities, especially
the ones that have fled communist regimes and and that
you know, the Cubans or the Vietnamese expats or the
children there. They're big Fox News Republicans, you know. They

(40:42):
so like if Republicans wanted more voters, one of the
things they could do is they could let all of
these refugees from socialist countries in and then those people
would all be you know, militantly right.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, well, I mean, refuge there's never been, like legal
migration has never been. Especially the refugee program has never
been and it's like a bipartisan issue. It's always been
by bartery, Like nineteen eighty when Reagan was president, was
when the refuge program, as we know what started. It's
always been a by borders an issue. People want again,

(41:20):
the best of the best, let's be honest, these people
coming from other countries. And so everybody realized. It's only
when Trump came in and somehow polarized it, which is
just absurd, Like there's no it's so dumb, Like, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Don't know how to tell you this, Laura, But there's
this thing called racism, and it's terrible. It's it's just
bad speaking of which africaners. So that's race, That's that's
racism right there. So Trump resettled a bunch of Afrikaners
who were, by all the accounts, totally fine where they

(41:54):
were and not facing any persecution at all.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
So uh, persecuted by the damn black Africans.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yes, that's right. Why can't they just learn to be Dutch?

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Like?

Speaker 1 (42:09):
No? Right?

Speaker 3 (42:10):
So yes, uh?

Speaker 2 (42:13):
But then you know, like after that, a bunch of
the AID groups basically said we are not going to
work with this administration on anything, even if they did
turn the the the program back on. Like I know
that some of the big church organizations, which I believe
most of the refugee resettlement in this country is done
by faith based organization.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, it was only the Episcopal Church that backed out.
The Catholic Church, the Catholic you know, Catholics that backed
out prior to that, realized all the writing on the
wall that it wasn't going to be restarting anytime soon.
But I was, yeah, go Episcopal say back down.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yeah, they said they're not going to. They don't want
to be a part of this.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
So, like what happens if they turn it back on
and like legitimate people come back in is it or
start coming back in? Will these folk change their mind
and go back to helping or what what what's going
to happen?

Speaker 1 (43:03):
I mean, it's such a mess right now. They can't
teg on. They pulled fund you know, there's no funding
for refugee so refugee resettlement comes through the state Department
through pr M, the population the refugee migration. I guess
that's just there's no agency, it's just PRM, So that's
how they come through. And so that was like all

(43:23):
that money was decimated, like with USAID it was in
the same bucket basically, So there's no money. I mean
all the most of PM stuff has gone. And they
said when they pulled all the contracts, they said that
they were gonna work through the states, like go directly,
like the state Refugee coordinator would resettle figure out. I

(43:44):
don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
I mean, you know, the South Dakota Refugee Resettlement.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Program and they get to decide if they want to
take them into their state. Basically, so Maryland would not
sleep anyways, but it's it's hard to say. And so anyways,
once the contracts are pulled, like the recut agencies that
are still existing and helping refugees there, I mean, they
fired a ton of their staff because they lost funding.
So if any if suddenly tomorrow Trump is like, okay,
you know, we're going to go back to the you

(44:09):
know one hundred and ten thousand number you know that
Biden called, you know for twenty twenty five kind of
thing and start bringing refugees. It it would be a
hard thing to start back up again because like iom too,
that's how they come in for you know, through the
flights that are paid for for refugees. There's nobody at it,
like it's again decimated because it's part of the foreign
aid kind of thing with usaid and stuff like that.

(44:29):
So so it's just it's I cannot see it starting
up right away. So I think like Catholic charities and
you know, the Episcopal Migration Service and stuff like that.
I mean they you know, they made the right call
me because they're fully funded by by federal dollars. If
it's so there's there's PRM, which is the resettlement and

(44:50):
then the opposite refugee resettlement or are funds like further
like programs after the ninety days the initial resettlement, so
like you know, more searching, you know, extend case management,
more you know, support for like older you know, older
people are disabled, you know, those kinds of support, those
kind of supports.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
So isn't that some of that stuff through HHS though.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Yeah, so that's under that's so that is under h
jess is where or Anne?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Couldn't they I mean, I'm not saying that that it
would be easy. I'm saying that, like, if they could
turn all this stuff back on, which they could, it
would be difficult.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
It would just be messy. It would be messy because
number one, just getting people here would be.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
But would the aid organizations be willing to work with
the administration after it's something so morally reprehensible as called
Afrikaaners refugee?

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they would. I mean, yeah, I'm
sure they would. But again, yeah, I don't know exactly how.
I'm just trying to think about how it would just
turn back on. But yeah, I mean the thing is
with the Africaners now, they were again they didn't go
through the refugee they you know, for they didn't go
through the process. Un h are you was not involved
at all in you know, determining if these people were

(46:05):
persecuted and you know, did you go through all the
screenings that took you know, seven years, that's why they
were And then they also so the people that the
agencies that have resettled them, and they haven't been resettled
here and they won't be because they again this never happened.
They're resettling them near in like Alabama and Montana and
places that have like farm land available because they were farmers,

(46:27):
you know, like lucky them, they get to do what
they did back in their home country, like that never happens.
So so but they're so they're settling there and then
telling them to use this or our money to resettle them.
So they're they're taking away not only are they jumping line,
they're taking money that was supposed to go to the
refugee you know, the existing reviews that are here for extent,

(46:47):
for longer term you know support, and they're telling them
to use that money to to pay for the africounters
or settlement. So it's all a mess.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
But but to the point you just made right there, right,
you're bringing them into like a Montana or i Alabama
and are able to get them into like farm jobs.
So that to me tells me like, if you want
to do it, we could figure it out. Right, I
really wanted to do it, right because it's the full
force of the United States federal government, right.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Just I mean yeah, totally. I mean they could totally
do it, sure, and they could do yeah exactly, they
could do that. But again, it was such a small
number too. I mean I think there there was fifty
nine to start, and there was another I think a
couple of hand another dozen or so that came in,
So it's such a small number. But I mean, I mean, yeah, yeahal.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Was within the refugee resettlement community. I don't know if
you guys have like regular meetings where you all get
around and commiserate. But h how offensively stupid and hurtful
was this particular move? You know, like were people just

(47:54):
I don't know how to describe it, but like, you know,
it made me want to puke. And I don't even
really do any at work, you know, Like imagine if
you're really somebody who's resettling people who are fleeing absolute
terror and devastation, and then this guy walks in with
a bunch of rich farmers. He goes, yeah, yeah, they're refugees.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah no, I mean no, it's super offensive. Like I
there is a a group of like grassroots and not
profit across the US that I often talk with and
we meet, you know, a core group and yeah, and
everybody's just so offended by it, and yeah, just it's ridiculous.
I mean, meanwhile, the same day they did that, the
same day they like brought in the afficounders, was the

(48:35):
same day they canceled the parole status for Afghans, which
was ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Like, you're like, where are the veterans groups on the
Afghan stuff? Because you know, I've heard, I know that
there's no one left behind. I know that they they're
picking up the flights. There were several veterans groups I heard, yeah,
that were upset about this.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Have you had no, No, No, they have when I
think that's why they're out of they're not in the
travel band. You know, they're they're as I said, SIVs
are So that's why they're still issuing visas. But they're
I mean, it's it's slow, but they are still you
know that all is still happening. And for them to
shed I mean again, it's like they're throwing them like,
you know, crumbs at this point. They're not they're not
they're not paying their flights and not playing for their

(49:19):
re settlements, but they are still letting them in. So
I think I think that's why because there has been
so much, you know, so much opposition because again, I
mean who they're veterans basically.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yes, the thing that I keep sort of going back to,
whether it's about resettlement or whether it's about ice and
deportations that I think at some point they're gonna they're
gonna fuck up and and harm a battle buddy of
some marine or some and I.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Mean they've already they've already, like I've heard of like
Afghans that have already been you know whatever thrown into
the try attempted to thrown into attention and stuff like that.
I mean, they're already you know there.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah, I'm just gonna put this as delicately as possible,
but like retired marines don't always have the best reputation
about behaving themselves appropriately when they feel like one of
their battle buddies is being attacked. And I do think
that if the Trump people are listening to this show,
which you know, they love this show, I think that

(50:24):
it would behoove them to pay careful attention to that
because that could go bad real fast. Those guys don't play,
so you know, maybe pick on somebody else, I guess,
but that'll go sideways pretty fast. Just saying, you know,
it's my observation. Y'all can do with that which you want.

(50:45):
So do you think that the current US escalation in
the Middle East is gonna make things worse for everybody
fleeing war and carnage and things.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
I mean, there may be more people fleeing and we
may not be taking them, is really what comes down
to it. I mean, opening the burden on other countries
that you know, uh, you know that are going to
just be taking more refugees. I mean, it's sod's so stupid,
Like do.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
You think that there's anybody out there, any of the
other countries who are looking at this and going, oh, well,
this is an opportunity, you know, because like the thing
that the criticism about cutting off the USAID stuff is
that it opens the door for China to just walk
in and be like, oh we'll we'll help you, and
then all those countries feel this loyalty and affinity to China.
Could China do something like that, they go, hey, we

(51:34):
got a population, uh you know, upside down shortcake problem.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Why don't we Yeah, could they do?

Speaker 1 (51:41):
That? Is that is I mean, that's an interesting idea.
I mean China is talking about. I mean, I don't
need I don't know. I'm not an expert on Chinese affairs,
but I would be shocked if they let in they
let in a lot of foreigners, because you know, it's China.
But uh, but that is an interesting idea, I suppose.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Well, the reason I asked that is because you know,
refugees are an economic resource. They are a valuable resource.
They're a thing that the United States has been able
to outcompete everybody else for because we have a program,
and because we are the place everybody wants to go
and move to. So, you know, giving up our edge

(52:26):
on anything economic feels like a bad idea.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
And I wonder if anybody else is out there.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
I'm not telling please don't let me be the one
to like tip China off to this opportunity of a lifetime.
But like you know, these are the best of the best,
usually fleeing. If you'll wanted some engineers, for example, or
like people under the age of thirty nine to come
work in your country to support all of your old

(52:53):
Fox News viewers. You need like something.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
So yeah, yeah, I don't know, I don't know, I
don't and I don't know what un h, I don't
know the anniversaries of like un HR like where they
you know, because you know, like they're not sending people.
There's certain countries they won't send people, do you know?
And then you know, unlike not sending people to South
Sudan now or whatever.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
No, there's fifty million people displaced in Sudan alone. But
I but you know, the bricks were all set to
send everybody to.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Rwanda or whatever.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
So you know, sure, Richi Sunak and the Lettuce, we're
all into the sending people to Rwanda.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Or if does a country like Japan jump into this
right another that's because I think of another country, right
that could easily do this.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
They people, but they are so closed as a society.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
I mean that I think that that might be what
ends up like stopping UH from happening. But again, I
mean there's probably places in Europe, I mean eventually, and
eventually some will catch on to that point and be.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Like I mean the europe the Europeans. I mean, there's
so many Ukrainians. The thing is in America. You know,
we didn't get that many Ukrainians because let's be honest,
they could Europe is a way better place to go
and much closer. So why why would they come here
unless they have especially.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
If they want to be able to go back, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, exactly, So, I mean, you know, so it makes
total sense that you know, there's a ton of Ukrainians
displaced and hopefully temporarily but still.

Speaker 11 (54:28):
So yeah, okay, well, so before we uh give you
another opportunity to plug all the other stuff, you know,
we we do want to have you back to talk
about streets and so please, you know, talk to all
of your folks over there and we'll be in touch
to arrange that.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
So let's say, the good people listening or watching this
show want to get involved, they want to help out,
they want to donate, they want to volunteer. How can
they do that, how can they get in touch?

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So we are all funded by individual donations. Were like

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Speaker 2 (56:06):
Right, So if you're listening, because it is nominally a
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Speaker 3 (56:12):
It's all one word.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
You can check it out and it's borders like the bookstore,
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Speaker 2 (56:31):
Good luck, That's what I was talking about. Don't listen
it tz. He's making fun of me and I don't
like it, and it's because he thinks I'm old, touch
and stupid or something. Yeah, we all love Borders, man.
Then that bald nerd killed it with his stupid dick
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Speaker 2 (56:56):
Bezos stupid wedding, all right?

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Anyway him a gift?

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Yeah, no, I didn't send him a gift that he
just you know, already owns everything. What am I gonna
send him? I can try to send him some dignity,
but lord knows that don't stick to him. I'm helping,
all right, So Laura one more time, And if people
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Speaker 1 (57:25):
Yes, follow some social media. Yes, I'm so bad at Facebook,
Instagram mostly and Twitter sort of kind of, but whatever
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It's a unique platform.

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I'm enjoying it, of course you are.

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Anyways, day all right, when we come back from the break,
we're gonna ask what the hell that want? Yeah, I
enjoy it as well, obviously.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Maybe maybe maybe we'll take it out, of course you would.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
I have feelings about that, you know.

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If you don't have money, if you've got time, you know,
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So all right, we're gonna take a break. When we

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Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
What's popping y'all? And as always we're talking about donating
and founding that donation button. If you're watching us on
the screen, you do have please don't donate to Sandy
hook Promise dot org, which we like to promote after
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what that man has so supported.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
It's because he has five different kinds of caffeine. It's
turbo force christ I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
He's like plant derived.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
It's like, is there some animal derived caffeine that I
don't know about?

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
I love it. I stayed up. I'm not gonna lie.
All right, you got me? Yeah? My brain shirt work
again right now? That is that is an incredible statement.
But not again. I know it's not funny, but no,

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it's funny. It's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
The video right before that, by the way, was we
We snagged that from Iranian uh State TV. They actually
made that video. That's their propaganda video of what they
say happened in the war with Israel. They actually landed
almost no rockets. They didn't blow up anything. There was

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nobody hiding in bomb shelter. It was you know, I mean,
it's like twenty five people died in Israel, which is
that's twenty five too many, but it is not the
several hundred that died in Iran. So but I just
thought it was like it was it was funny that
they couldn't help themselves from also being racist and like

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offensive while.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
They were making that Date TV.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Yeah yeah, but also they're they're like little lego version
of Trump is just and.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
And like Spear TV. That I found that funny here.
I did think that was funny, running to like the phone,
running like on the phone, munch and cheese.

Speaker 7 (01:03:58):
Ruggers yelling, and well you forget the fact that the
Jordans were, you know, having their Leesollle dinner party, watching
all the you know, yeah me that on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Instagram of Jordanians. And I know that there was instances
in Lebanon too where people were like going up to
their roofs to go watch the rocket fire back and
forth because you know, why not.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
And and the story.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
That I heard about this in Lebanon that you know,
why would anybody do this? And the reporter is like,
this country is so used to war that they they
just regard this as like a cool activity to view
because Lebanon has never back been at war. It's yeah,
it's right, it's fireworks for them. That's just how they

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looked at it. I guess, Okay, well that gets us
to the thing that we need to talk about, which
is of course that there is like another piece of
a war going on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
So let's just kind of get if we're gonna this
is fast moving.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
It's a little less fast moving at the moment, but
we just want to like build.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
What does that mean? I could like this, I could
get an alert right now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Yeah, this stuff could really turn on a dime. And
it did because so Saturday night, I was I had
been working on chores all day. I was, I was
finishing up cooking, and I was up watching you know whatever,
and my buddy, uh pulls out his phone and he's
like a Twitter guy. So he goes, oh, we're bombing around, and.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
I was like, the fuck did you not? When the
planes took off, though, I immediately was like, okay, once
the bombers, once they leave.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
So when they took off and they headed to Guam,
I was like, Okay, this is getting ready for it.
And I didn't think that it was happening that fast.
I thought there was gonna be a few more like
idle threats and yelling and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
But what do I know?

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
So, yeah, the US bomb Iran, they bomb we bombed
several of their nuclear sites. We're gonna get into that
a little bit. It's not totally clear.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
I think it should be explained though, that that is unprecedented, right, It's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
It's unprecedented, it's possibly illegal. There's there's a lot of factors.
I mean, we could get really let's fine, well, let's
go down into that a little bit. So as people
who listen to this show probably know, only Congress can
declare war or authorize a military strike or or a
you know, a war, right, but there's been a fair

(01:06:35):
amount of leeway granted to the executive over the years,
statutorially and just sort of like out of deference where
they don't really like force the issue. But statutorially, the
president is allowed to use military force to protect the
homeland or to uh protect against an imminent threat. International

(01:06:58):
law says that you're you you can't really strike another
country legally, which again, let's be very clear about what
is international law. That's not a thing, and there's enforcement mechanism,
but you're not supposed to strike another country unless you
have a good imminent threat. Right, you know, something's about

(01:07:20):
to happen, and this is the only way that you
can play defense is to strike it before it happens.
And there have been historically a few examples of this.
Ironically many of them involve Israel. So those kind of things.
It's also impressive that the United States has never gone
directly toe to toe conflict with Iran. Like we've battled

(01:07:44):
their proxies in Iraq, We've battled their proxies in Yemen
with the Huthis, We've battled them in spheres of influence. Notably,
of course, the Americans back the Israelis. The Israelis are
you know, the traditional enemy of Iran. Iran fights them
usually by means of Hummus and Hezbollah and the Hoho thies.

(01:08:06):
The Israelis you know, fight back, so that we but
we never gone direct conflict with Iran. And and like
you know, as recently as Reagan, we were selling them stuff,
so right telling about it. There was a deal with them,
there was all there was a deal made. That's another
thing that we'll have to talk about that. So, but like,

(01:08:29):
it is strange that all of a sudden, a president
who's who rode into the Oval Office talking about I
don't want to get into any more wars was like, yeah,
i' mom, molly wopped these motherfuckers with a B two
bomber and the Okay, let's get a little few more

(01:08:50):
details about this. The bombs that are dropped are these
thirty thousand pound mops. They're called massive ordnance penetrators GBU
twenty seven's or GVU fifty ones. I don't remember which
one it is, but they're relatively new. They were developed
during the run up to the Iraq War by the

(01:09:12):
Defense Department's Defense Threat Reduction Agency. They were most they
were specifically designed to try to target hard to destroy
weapons of mass destruction programs, whether that's in Iraq or Iran.
And the idea here is that they're extremely heavy and

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that they fall, they're guided, they fall and hit the
target and burrow through. They hit with such kinetic force
that they can sink several hundred feet down before they detonate,
and they have all these sensors on them that help
them figure out like where they are in the depth

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of the thing that they're hitting. So if you think
your target's at one hundred and fifty feet, the bomb
will smashed through the earth. And at one hundred and
fifty feet, if it senses that it's in a cavity,
it'll deploy and explode. That's the idea of how they
We don't really know right because it's tested. They've never
they've been tested, but they've never been used. They're extremely expensive.

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They can only be carried by the B two. They
can only be carried two at a time by a
B two because the bombing capacity of a B two
bomber is only about seventy five pounds so, and they
were retrofitted. Grummen retrofitted the B twos to carry these
specifically not too long ago, like within the last fifteen years.

(01:10:36):
And the B two. It's a cool airplane, right, it's
the stealth bomber. We first really found out about it
in the First Golf War. Nobody could confirm that it
existed until it showed up there and did a lot
of stuff. It's built by North of Grumman. They are
all based in at Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri.

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All B two flights all over the world start and
then Missouri. So you know there's that they in a
refuel they have microwaves in there so the pilots can
cook their lunch while they're flying for twenty seven hours
at a time, So you know, there's all of that.
Those are all things that you need to know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Yeah, then immediately announced that it had been a success
and obliterated their nuclear program.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
He did that at ten o'clock that night press conference.
I've seen them sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Well you didn't even not even the press conference, Like
he came out and made that announcement at ten pm.
And that was strange because in most of the other
times I know that the US has like gone to
war with somebody, if it's that late at night, the
announcements made like in the morning, you know, like they
don't they don't do that, but I guess for the

(01:11:53):
West Coast viewers they wanted to still catch So he
comes out and he's like, yeah, we totally obliterated their stuff.
It's been completely destroyed. And then then the next morning,
when the sun came up over there and the satellite
imagery started to come back from Maxar and Google or whoever.

(01:12:13):
They're like, well, we see some holes and stuff, but
we also saw like for several days before, he had
a bunch of trucks leaving that area. Like, are we
even sure that the nuclear material was there when it
got hit at Fordoh, And we don't know the answer
to that yet. Also we're not really sure what the
level of damage is. And part of the reason that

(01:12:35):
we're not sure about what the level of damage is
is because it's very difficult to get information out of Iran.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
But also one of the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Things in the in the statue that gives the president
authority to use the military without direct congressional approval in
every instance is that he has forty eight hours to
come to Congress and brief them and tell them what
he did or what he's doing, and like give them
the details. That didn't happen. It took many many more

(01:13:06):
days and they just held the briefing today. The Gang
of Eight was not notified altogether. House Speaker or not Speaker,
Real Speaker, Hakeem Jefferies was not told before the strike.
Chuck Schumer was told about an hour before the strike.
That violates the statute that requires them to be notified.

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The Gang of Eight is the leadership in the House
and Senate and the leadership of the Intel and Military
or I guess Armed Services committees both the House and
Senate side. So like, none of that happened. You're going
to be shocked to know that the Trump people didn't
follow any of the rules. And then the next morning

(01:13:50):
they got up and they had this press briefing at
the Pentagon where Pete Hegseth, who's the Secretary of Defense,
comes and stands there next to the Chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff, who's the actual military expert, right
and headset spends the like half an hour shouting at
the cameras about how big Donald Trump's dick is and

(01:14:12):
how much he loves to suck it, because it was
just like, this was bold leadership, and Trump is the
only president to do it. Nobody else has done this.
He was right there making all the calls. He's the
smartest president. And I'm like, dude, you already have the job.
I don't understand what you're doing here. Shut up and
let the expert talk. So finally he shuts up and
lets the expert talk. He explains the mission, the V

(01:14:35):
twos took off, there was some diversion, there was some
distraction tactics. They in a refueled a bunch of times.
They dropped the bombs, they hit the targets, they got out,
and nobody fired any shots at them. And then some
or at the same time, some submarines launched some Tomahawk
cruise missiles and they hit a bunch of stuff, and
it's like, okay, sounds like a pretty standard air strike,

(01:14:56):
you know, and like the trunk. People seem very very
impressed by this operation. And I'm not saying that it
isn't a complex or impressive operation, but it is literally
the thing that the B two like teams practice work,

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because this is all they do and this is what
they're the best at. And we've seen them do this
for twenty five years in Iraq, right they were doing that,
and we saw them ten years before that in ninety one.
So like, okay, it's cool, but it's also it's not
like you know, new I guess, so that all happened,

(01:15:42):
and then then people are like, okay, well, where's the intelligence.
What's the damage. The DA which is the Defense Intelligence Agency,
had a report that said we think the damage is significant,
but it's not going to set the Iranian nuclear program
back more than maybe a few months. Somebody leaked that report,

(01:16:02):
the press got a hold of it, and they're like, hey,
you know, you did this thing where you bombed a
sovereignation and didn't tell anybody about it and definitely broke
a bunch of laws and maybe violated the constitution, and
the damage is only kind of eh, like what gibs right?
And the Trump people were like, no, the leakers are

(01:16:22):
the problem, and the report is fake. And then they're like,
all right, the report's real, but it's low confidence. And
then Congress was like, all right, well, where's our briefing
And they're like we'll get back to you on that one.
You know, because when you did a really good job,
you're always slow to go and report that to the
people who you want to tell about it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
I don't know, man.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
By the way, like Gaza is still going on. Trump
told everybody that there was a ceasefire in Iran after
bombing them. The Iranians and the Israelis apparently did not
get that memo and continued to shoot at each other
after he tweeted that, started tweeting at them like he
was scolding children and very angry, yeah, using all caps,

(01:17:08):
misspelling his own name, telling the pilots, the Israeli pilots
to turn around. You know, they're like flying in their
f sixteens and they're like, oh uh you know, Shimon
on my phone is going what is it, Moisha? What
does it say? Oh? Uh Ari, can you read it
for me? I'm a little busy. Or he's like, oh,
it's Trump. He says, turn the planes around?

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
Well should we? Should we turn the planes around? Wait?

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Is he the president of Israel?

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Oh, well then now fuck that. We're gonna bomb it around.
And then they did. They bombed their own some more
so like not a ceasefire. And then they stopped shooting
at each other because like the Israelis wanted to break
and the Iranians son of any more stuff. And then
the Iranians were like, we're gonna shoot it. Americans and

(01:17:58):
somebody was like, hey, we've got forty thousand guys over
there in the golf area and he's like, where's the
golf and they go, it's right next to Iran. He
goes it is and and they go, yeah, that's that's bad.
So He's like, oh, well, shit, right, So.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Then he where's the golf? I'm surprised. I'm like, you know,
it's like, you know Bedminster, right, not that golf stupid.
Can we name this one after America too? Not yet?
Okay yet not yet.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
So so then they you know, like, you know, the
Iranians are gonna shoot at our guys over there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
So they they did.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
They shot some missiles at the base and Katar that
most of those got shot down.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
One of them they determined wasn't going to hit anything,
so they let it fall, and so like all right,
standard operating, and the response to Solimani's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Killing, Yeah, it was it was a pretty feeble yeah response.
It's probably because that's like all they got. But that
Trump is in NATO this week or like you know, yesterday,
and he goes, yeah, they told me they were gonna
shoot at him and at Katar. And I was like,

(01:19:11):
what time? And they go, how's one o'clock sound? And
he goes, can you make it one thirty? I got
a tea time and they go sure. So it sounds
like he gave them permission to shoot at Americans.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
I don't I mean it, but I guess his telling
of it. But I mean, I'm assuming that that message
goes to the Katar's first and then gets to the American.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
The Quitari's said that they were like that this was inappropriate.
It as a violation of their sovereignty. This is not
the kind of thing that neighbors do to each other.
The golf Arabs have been working really hard to try
to squash some of their ten thousand year beef with
the Persians, but they and they made some significant progress.

(01:19:53):
I think they all sort of more or less agreed
that even if this did happen, they were on shot
at the Americans that were occupying all their base. Is
that they were going to kind of let it slide
and continue to maintain contact and relations. But it's still
it's not good. And you know, I think that, Yeah,
I think you're right. It's not like they actually called him.
It's like our intelligence picked up that they were moving
the missiles and about to shoot, and like we were

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prepared and ready for it, which because of course we were.
But to your point earlier, it turns out there was
reporting in the Post this week that net and Yahoo
had planned to strike Iran for more than a year
and then built the case and sort of coaxed the

(01:20:36):
Americans along through the end of the Biden administration into
the Trump one, and then he gets Trump to basically
do the thing for him.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
That Joe Biden's joke. That's and I think that's it.
There's no way Joe Biden does that. No, no way
in hell, no American president.

Speaker 4 (01:20:53):
Because this is not new, right, There's been this ask
has been going on in the first Trump administration.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
This has been an ass It's been an ask.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
For a wik back to the nineties, man, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
It's always been the case.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
So it is shocking to me that a president who
claims to be so strong was so easily dog walked
by another world leader into doing something that may be
impossible to recover from.

Speaker 7 (01:21:24):
That's okay, That's the question I have is how you
go from hey, we'll talk about it within two weeks
to less than two days.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
So Trump's time frames exist only in two weeks. That's
his only time frame he.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Ever figured that. But I think I probably.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Remember that he was going to replace Obamacare in two weeks,
and two weeks from now, he's going to have an
infrastructure villain. Two weeks later, he's gonna have the you know,
it's always that. That's his like only unit of time
that is important.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
That's that's all.

Speaker 7 (01:21:58):
That's all what probably learned winning in school.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
So he learned the two weeks is the right amount
of time to tell everybody because they forget about it
by the time the two weeks comes up, right.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
I think it was clear that Israel was winning this
and obviously that for him, it's like it's just just
weird on his platform and his base. That's the only
thing I can't But I also understand that he loves
the power of the presidency, and this is I think

(01:22:30):
there's a larger thing of flexing the power of the presidency,
the whole thing we talk about Congress and them not
being in the loop at all, or being in the
loop in the last hour before it happens. I think
there's a flex there, and it's easy to do when
you're like, oh, it's not like Israel again is winning, right,

(01:22:51):
And I think whatever Israel does in that region will
always be winning right in a sense, like when it
comes to military action, like I don't know in that area,
who is I don't know what the better military is, maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Not anymore, but yeah, I mean, so look what was done.
I don't personally have too much of a problem with
preventing Iran from having a bomb. That sounds like the
right thing to do. We did have a deal, it
was called the DCOA, and it was working, and it

(01:23:25):
kept Iran from getting a bomb, and it would have
given the rest of the world a lot of warning
when they if they decided to break the deal and
go for the bomb. Like we wouldn't have had to
make the decision within two weeks. We had had like
a year to do it. And because of the limitations
that were being put on, it was also keeping Russia

(01:23:46):
from subverting any of the rules. So the JCPOA worked.
It was a really good deal, but it had this
problem that Obama was the one who signed it, and
so Trump tore it up, and then the Iranians learned.
The lesson from that was that the Americans can't be
trusted for anything. No deal that the Americans make will
ever really be a deal, So why trust it? And

(01:24:10):
they just rapidly started to expand their Enrichmond program and
expand their their bomb program, all the while lying and
saying that it's for peaceful purposes, which that doesn't track
at all. So like, but yeah, this is relatively low risk, right,
the Israelis had done all the hard work and knocked

(01:24:31):
out all the air defenses. Iran was battered and in
terrible shape at that point, the threat that Iran has
always had. You know, like the reason North Korea doesn't
get bombed is because they have a bomb, right, But like,
Iran didn't have a bomb and they didn't get bombed
for all this time. Why well, they had Hesbelah and

(01:24:51):
they had Humas and they had the hoo Thies. They
don't have Hummaus or Hesbela anymore. The Israelis just destroyed them.
And so like the Prozi threat is removed, the missile
threat towards Israel is exhausted or basically inept because of

(01:25:12):
the Iron Dome and the other missile defense systems that
the Israelies have. So like it runs on the back foot.
Israel knocks out all of their military defenses, their air defenses.
So sure, if Trump wants to get an easy victory,
he just like authorizes the plan and it goes through
and nobody dies, no Americans die, and he gets to

(01:25:36):
claim victory. The problem here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Though, is like.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
You're gonna love it. Bolton was on the radio this
morning talking about we need to bomb more. We haven't
done enough, you know, we need to kill the Anatola.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
That's his idealogy, right, Like that's always been that case,
that's been him from the beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
He's in a row. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Well, but to your political question about like what does
it do to his base? You know, Trump has no
problem lying to his base. He's been doing that since
the very beginning. If I would bet dollars to donuts,
they all fall right in line with this margin. All
of them find a way to decide, you know what,
we like him anyway?

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
They fall right all right, they fall in line.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
I don't know necessarily though, if they I mean, if
they like this, I don't think this and again he'll
spin it and say it's a limited operation, and this,
that and the third. Like I'm not arguing that, but
I just I mean, it doesn't mean that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
They still support this, right, they see, they've they've they've.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
Watched America and how we operate in the Middle East.
And if that's the playbook, right, it's the only playbook
we know. That's the only playbook they know. I could
see them still being very worried to begin about these
prolonged wars in the Middle.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
East, And I mean again anything, no, but like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
I don't first of all, I don't think it changes
how they vote at all.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
And I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
They eventually get overwhelmed by the propaganda and buy into it.
I mean, here, you can see it already happening. Right
when when reporters or congressmen have said, we're not sure
that the damage is as extensive as we would like

(01:27:27):
it to be, right saying we wanted it to be
more effective, the response from the administration is to question
whether they they value the pilots who were brave enough
to fly the mission.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
That's an extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Piece of propaganda to say to when if you ask
the question, why, hey, are we sure we blew up
all their stuff? And their answer is what you're calling
the pilots babies? No, No, I just want they got
I think that they were after.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
But the question alone to be asking like, hey, we
just did this. Does this not feel like we're going
into another like prolonged war? Is this something he ran
directly again?

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
And I think there have been a decent amount of
them to be like, no, this makes no sense. We
don't want this when it comes to like their influencers
and people that nature.

Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
I mean, I do think that I've heard that. I
think it comes down now again, Will that change in
three weeks more than likely.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
I'm not gonna argue that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
I don't think the base when it happened was like, yeah,
mission accomplished, as we've seen another with other times.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
I don't. I don't think that actually has happened, doesn't
happen yet, but it will.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
I mean, you know, we saw the video of Tucker
going after Raphael for not knowing enough about Iran or whatever,
and I would.

Speaker 7 (01:28:53):
Don't forget MTG and her pras he had.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
A long tweet about it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Yeah, I think we're less than two weeks away from
a Tucker Carlson special with featuring Marge talking about we
need to strike Iran again.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
That's why I say they will get in line right.

Speaker 7 (01:29:11):
That's why I feel like if any of these Republican
you know follow you know again Trump followers, these are
bag of followers start one issuing effect of hey I
got a problem, what you did you know bombing Iran?
And then the next I tryst some believe I know
within the next week two weeks, they'll turn around and say, oh, yes, Trump,

(01:29:36):
will you know he's leading us to victory into something
that I have no idea what we're doing, but hey,
he who will make it great for us. All this
stuff to me is again a lot of crazy theatrics
with a bunch of old men who do not know
really what they really want out of this. I mean
the whole point of Yahoo again, like you said, for

(01:29:59):
thirty years been claiming that Iran is so close for
nuclear bombs and all that stuff, and it's like, okay,
even though there has been no definitive report on it,
and you end up sort of like just snuck in there,
did your thing, just out of the blue while you're
dealing with you know, your goster ship. To me, it

(01:30:22):
feels like for us to be involved is the biggest
ridiculous thing ever because this wasn't our fight. I mean,
I understand this. Yeah, if the if, the if, the
emphasis was to protect the oil region, which a lot
of people completely forget. Now that Iran has blocked off

(01:30:42):
that canal area, well they.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Haven't closed the straits of horror moves and they probably aren't.

Speaker 7 (01:30:48):
God, they didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
That's not happening.

Speaker 7 (01:30:51):
That's honestly, I think it could happen because if.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
How do some right.

Speaker 7 (01:31:02):
Let's say this, they'll tell probably close it off to us.
They'll give it to everybody else, but not to us.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Because we don't get very much oil from Saudi anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
And that's what I'm saying. I just.

Speaker 7 (01:31:16):
I know we we can produce. But the key thing
is is like us being involved in this region makes
no damn sense.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
It just to be.

Speaker 7 (01:31:26):
It's just like I don't understand the reasoning for it.
I mean, we've been doing this for over almost seventy
years and it's gotten to the point where it's like the.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Reason you just said it it's oil, but I know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
It's about oil.

Speaker 7 (01:31:39):
But the thing is like we gotten to the point
where now I think it's just like we've been trying
to pull away from it, you know again, be either
a selfware line because we have our own or trying
to get into more natural base and energy sources. And
then you get a guy like Trump again he's been

(01:32:00):
I don't know again it feels like I need to
do something to get us to be back on top again.
And I feel like it's like again if he was
a smart man, which he's not. I mean, I just
feel like, what was your whole point, Like I get
to the pole premise, how you go from two weeks
to less than two days, because I just feel like

(01:32:20):
again he is just it's all about theatrics to him.
And again we're having boasting the army at the at
their graduation ceremony, having at BS parade that he had
a couple of weeks ago, and now again exposing a
whole bunch of our military arsenal to yo that we

(01:32:41):
haven't used and god knows how. Yeah, we're so great
and all this stuff idiatrics.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
I agree with you there.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
I do think it's a photo op for the American President,
Like I mean it clearly, and I think it's hard
to comprehend because there's been thirty forty years of the
way that this has been approached, but that's all out
the window.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
We've said that on multiple shows, like the way we
can't think about how we how we've done it in
the past anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
Like it almost is the seat of your pants, what
will he do next?

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
And I think that's just where we're at at this
point with it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
And I mean right, like you'll make folks will make
the argument of what the percentages of what have been
rich enriched uranium has been enriched, and like, yeah, again,
it's getting to the point where.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
It's like what else you could you be using it for?

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
If you're at sixty percent, then you need to do
in eighty percent, like you only continue to go up.
I still have my question so as that doesn't let
you create a nuclear like bomb, there's a way you
still you still need to be able to put it
on a warhead. There's a lot of other things that
go in to do that, and me personally, I don't
think necessarily Iran was close enough to do that piece
of it. Well, they get the uranium to a weapons grade, yeah,

(01:33:57):
eventually that would probably.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Have Well, you know, they've they've got missiles. They've got
pretty decent.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
I'm just that they have missiles. But again, there is
a process of being able to put a nuclear warhead
on that a ballistic missile and being able to shoot that.
Would it would they be able to rich it and
test that?

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
Like yes, But he completely kneecapped his original promise of
what I thought he wanted to do is create some
type of deal to go back to what we talked
about earlier about this Nobel Peace Rise thing that that
feels like where he wanted to go into.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
I do find him to be dog walk.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
He got dog walk for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
It's clear as they like. And I'm like, wait, what,
what's But that's not surprising either. If we think about
the way he's handled Russia like it does, that's not surprising.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
And then look at look at when he went to NATO.
He went to the Hague for this meeting, and and
all of the other NATO leaders like had to gush
over him and say how great he was. And and because
they've all learned that the only thing he will sit
there like yeah, he needs to be flattered.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
And cuddled and loved and all of this stuff. He's
so so self aggrandizing and focused. Yeah, and and.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
And like it's totally transactional. In the Europeans have figured
that out. Other people have figured that out too, The
Saudis and and and all the golf Arabs figure that out.
You know, they show him a really good time, They
treat him really well. They bring him a mobile McDonald's
you know while he's there, Like they do all of
this stuff to just because he's like a giant two
year old and he.

Speaker 7 (01:35:41):
Has award that he's been crying about, is getting a
Nobel b Peace Prize for it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Well, he's a giant two year old with B two bombers.
So like that's where there's a problem because if he okay,
this one probably is a is an okay thing for
him to have bombed, but it's not a great thing
for him him to have bombed. And what if the
next thing he attacks is somebody more capable than Iran

(01:36:11):
And you know, every time you get one right and
you get away with it, and now I start thinking
you're a little more you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
Know, you get a little bolder. I don't know. Sol
the Moni killing I found to be insane, and I
think the only reason that nothing popped off on that,
honestly on there is that COVID ended up happening.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Well not only that, but the Iranians I think made
a strong calculation that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
The strike that they had on the base, Yeah right,
I mean, and yeah, I guess that's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
That was about what they could get away with without
getting absolutely whapped. So you know, it was a tip
for tat that they were able to do. You know,
all of this is a balance. They all everybody has
to figure out, like, how far can I take it
before somebody, you know, jams on mop up my ass?
But and I don't mean the cleaning implement, I mean

(01:37:04):
the bomb.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Yeah, it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
I don't think this needed to happen if we just
had stayed in the d damn nuclear deal.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
Yeah, that's the thing that bothers me here. But Israel
didn't like that nuclear deal anyway. They found that nuclear
deal to be insufficient. BB's complained about that for a
long time. And imagine you coupled that with his disdain
for Obama having the deal.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Oh yeah, I'm not saying it was hard to talk
Trump into ripping up the deal. He wanted to do
that any I mean, the dude would would rip up
anything Obama did, even if everybody likes it. You know,
he's trying to kill Obamacare and everybody likes that, so,
you know whatever. But just being led around by his

(01:37:55):
nose like that is not a good look for an
American president, and especially if it turns out that he
fell for bad intel. You know, once again, we've got
the same thing where where Bush came and told us
all this stuff and it was never true if it
turns out that, you know, the reason that the d

(01:38:18):
i A and Tulsea Gabbert had earlier assessed that Iran
was not building a nuclear bomb is because they couldn't
find any evidence of the Eye told ordering him to
do that. And that does seem like we're kind of
split in hairs here. But if you know anything about Iran,
it's that the ISA runs the.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
Show exactly that that is a clear I get clears
and said go.

Speaker 16 (01:38:42):
Nobody goes. So you know, all right, you want to
take a break, you want to go right into the rundown,
all right. Uh so you're in New York. There was
a primary there, just so everybody knows that. You know,
we had primaries here in Virginia, but New York, like

(01:39:07):
d C, is a very heavily democratic city, and in
d C, you know, the general election kind of doesn't
matter because there's nobody. There's no Republicans running, so it's
all about the primary to effectively win the seat. That's
also the case in like suburban Maryland, and it's mostly

(01:39:28):
the case in New York, but that could get a
little sideway. So what what happened there.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
T is, uh, yeah, we had a I would say
an upset, right, I've pronounced it is right. It's Zorn Mandani.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
Correct Mandani Mondani, who is a thirty three year old
Democratic socialist, right similar to my ward for councilists or
councilwoman Denise Lewis.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
George. Uh yeah, he's on pace to win. I think.
I I'm pretty sure based on the numbers I saw
on there, I don't think this goes to a.

Speaker 4 (01:40:03):
Runoff at all. No, no, no, he won. He won this, Yeah, yeah,
he won, he won. To look con see, yeah, Cuomo,
Oh he did concede. I'd heard earlier today. I don't
know when that came. When they came in. I heard
earlier he was thinking about uh yeah, not conceding that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
But no, no, he conceded the night of So New
York's Democratic primary is a rank choice voting. So once
Mandani got out to a pretty sizable lead, he had
forty three and a half percent, that's when Cuomo like.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
Caved.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Cuomo at thirty six percent, he was not likely to
catch him. So yeah, so this guy's the nominee. Now
he's a Democratic socialist and already and he's he has
a funny sounding name.

Speaker 3 (01:40:52):
So the The backlash has been intense.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
There's already sitting members of Congress calling for him to
be supported.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
I read that earlier, I just before I came on, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
He's from Queen's where are weting him to?

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
Well, they're gonna they want to denaturalize him first, is
what I what I see that. I think there's Yeah,
like again, I don't I don't know sul American citizens
feel safe that that can't happen. I don't know. Yeah,
sure we all feel great about that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:28):
I mean, yeah, I just don't. Yeah, I don't find
that to be too far off. I think for me,
I mean want to send him.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
I don't think he ever lived in another country. I
thought he was born in Queens.

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
Well that could be the person.

Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
But I'm saying, like the like the person number who
I forgot the rep who I've seen it that said
it wanted to introduce this who knows if they know
that he's born in Queens.

Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
Actually, to be honest, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
I'm sure that they think that that's fake and they want.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
Exactly saying I hear, I hear you're saying that, but
like you're making me, you're making me saying I think
that these people are are rational individuals. No, but he's
he's definitely a He's definitely an American, but American.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
No, No, hold on if this is correct? As I
looked up really quickly. Hold on, I mean I showed
and then who knows that this is edited on here?

Speaker 6 (01:42:23):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
No, he was born in Uganda? Really this is on Wikipedia?
Maybe he was edited?

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think that's I mean, he
speaks urdu So, not Uganda.

Speaker 4 (01:42:45):
Look again, I'm just doing uh again, not to say
I trust Uh yeah, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
So said city was born in Bombay, British India, and
he later grew up in Kampala, Uganda.

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
I have on I have on a dot gov web
a website. Was born and raised in camp Pala, you, Ganda,
moving to New York City with his family at the
age of seven.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Okay, well, in any case, he's some sort of international.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
Yeah, I think. Yeah, I'm pretty suah, I was pretty sure.
I'm pretty sure. But that is why they're asking to
denaturalize him.

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
I think there's been a huge thing for me here.
I think and I can't speak to this, but I
think one what I've.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
Seen, especially from my Jewish friends who are up here
is their support for him, which has been I found
that to be very unique, and I mean, I think
that speaks to something I've said. I've felt a big
change in.

Speaker 8 (01:43:45):
Again what I've always known, Like, I feel like a
candidate like him thirty years ago, There's no way in
hell you would see the amount of support that he
got from the Jewish community.

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
But I thought that was striking, right, I thought, especially
not everybody. Everybody's calling him an anti semi and it's
like yeah, but yeah, but again, I just I just
left from talking to one of my good buddies and
he was all for right. I found that that to

(01:44:17):
be very unique. I found it to be unique for
the broader Democratic Party. And I'm now and now what.

Speaker 4 (01:44:26):
Ends up happening now is does the infighting from the establishment.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Because he is not the establishment? Where what does that
look like? Where where do we go and do we
and do the old Does the old guard give up power? Easy?
I don't think so. We look at who who Look
who endorsed Cuomo, right, President Bill Clinton? Yeah, but Natler
and them will wind up behind Mandani. That's true as well.

(01:44:54):
That's a dad, that's that's huge. Well, the Schumer didn't
come out for him. Jeffreys didn't come out for him.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
They didn't they probably will. It's here's this is bad
for a lot of reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
Here's why.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
Number one, there was not a lot of good choices
in this race. You have your choice of experienced, corrupt
rapist Cuomo or you have the inexperienced guy with a
name that scares the shit out of people and who's
got the word socialist in his title.

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
So you know that's troubling.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
And then you know Adams is still running as an
independent having left the Democratic Party. Cuomo might still run
as an independent.

Speaker 3 (01:45:44):
You never know. So like, there's this we haven't.

Speaker 4 (01:45:47):
Tried this guy right yet, for we have, and I
think I think there's the option of allowing people to fail, right,
Because what I can say about Eric Adams, right, he
seems to like to go outside a little more and
party more than he likes to bet the fuck mayor
of fucking New York City.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
What can I say about Andrew Cuomo? Yikes? If we
go back to COVID, right, yea pick which pick? Pick
your pick?

Speaker 4 (01:46:12):
Your yikes with that guy, right, Like, there's a lot
of them, right, there's a lot of dead people in
this city. Uh, if I look back to twenty twenty,
that might not have had to be dead. I think again,
was it fourteen sexual assaults?

Speaker 14 (01:46:25):
Something?

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
I might have the number wrong on her allegedly, I think, right,
and make sure you know, just to put that out there,
I've seen that and I don't know. This guy might
not be it, but I don't. But do New Yorkers
from listening to them and hearing them talk about this.
And one thing I know about New York though, is
like they I've had these conversations with folks in different

(01:46:47):
but like going there out you know, in DC, if
you're out like bars, everybody's talking politics.

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
That doesn't happen here. No, It's just very unique, feels
like very.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
Well well, and not only that, but they they are
much more into the they're all corrupt and there's no
good choices like yeah, they're they're much more jaded.

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
So but yeah, I'm I mean, I found this to
be very interesting, and I wonder does the There's one
of two things I wonder.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
I wonder, let's say he does get elected, does.

Speaker 4 (01:47:21):
The unique forces of politics and what the establishment is?
And I think like most people who want to be
like have radical change. Find that, yo, you're this is
in the speedboat that you're trying to turn. This is
a fucking cruise ship, right, New York City is a big.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
Cruise ship that you're trying to like. And again, I
agree with a lot of these things, like on some
of those platforms there, I can't full on agree whether
it's the minimum wage right there. I mean, yeah, well
there's a lot of there's a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
Of things on the platform that I saw that I
was like, oh, I'm not anti that, but I think
the response.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
Specifically from Wall Street so far, it all makes me questioned, right,
because I get the socialists.

Speaker 4 (01:48:03):
It throws people off, right, but it makes me question
when the big money is so afraid.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Like they're afraid of this guy, right, And it makes
me wonders like, well, what are you so afraid of? Right?

Speaker 4 (01:48:17):
Because I don't think right, I think Wall Street and
all of these other guys like, he's not about to
tank the market and the most that's gonna happen is
that you're gonna make more money at a slower pace.

Speaker 3 (01:48:34):
Yeah, So, okay, several pieces to this one.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
I was talking to my dad about this earlier and
he goes he I said, well, okay, he ran as
a democratic socialist, but how's he gonna govern? You know,
New York is hard to govern in a radical way
and hard. Yeah, and he goes he's got to govern
from the left, and I was like, I don't think
the mayor of the global capital of finance is can

(01:49:03):
really be too radically left, you.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
Know, but can you push a little bit on them? Though?

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
Yeah, you know, I think I think some of that
needs to happen, you know, in terms of of housing
or in terms of raising taxes on millionaires and stuff
like that. That's all good, but but you know, here's
New York is a strange place. New York City is
its own entity, but it doesn't really have as much
control over itself as you might hope if you're in

(01:49:31):
a New Yorker because you think that you can do
these things, but really a lot of that stuff comes
through Albany.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
It either goes up to Albany or comes down from Albany.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
So you know, uh, we've seen time after time New
York City mayors go into battle with the governor over
over local issues. The governor has a lot of control
over the local issues in New York city, So there's
that aspect of it. Like you said, it's a giant place.
It's very difficult to implement some of these things. You

(01:50:02):
have a council full of people with their own opinions
and their own constituents that they have to represent. It's
a city of eight million people, you know, that's bigger
than several states. There's a lot of competing goals and
interests there too, so like we've also seen, you know,
with the Adams administration is a good example where the

(01:50:25):
city agencies that are there to theoretically sort of keep
the trains on time don't. In many cases they are
heavily infiltrated by political appointees. So you know, we'll see what.
I wish him the best. If he wished, he could

(01:50:47):
still lose. And as a matter of fact, the Republicans
could end up winning control of New York with their
guardian angel Guy if Cuomo, Mamdani and Adams all kind
of split from each other, so we didn't need to
be careful about that. There is still a general election
in November.

Speaker 4 (01:51:04):
I think I wanted a like and the Democratic Party
is gonna have to pick and choose, right, the establishment
isn't winning elections, right, Like, if we think about it,
it's not it hasn't did that successfully.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
Joe Biden might be the one off, but there's a
reason behind that. And I think a lot of that
with COVID to me and the up end really like
George Floyd, I think that kind of combines together. And
because again if Donald Trump ran and did anything basic
with COVID around the vaccines when he's able to do,

(01:51:40):
I think he easily won a second tea.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Yeah, but there's the establishment candidates have been been winning,
and incumbents and safetys have been winning even against some
of these primary challenges, like Mikey Cheryl won in New
Jersey without anybody challenging her. Really, I mean like there
was a guy who was running again but he didn't
even crack you know, a gap there.

Speaker 3 (01:52:04):
So like this guy did. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
So he's a world beater and he's and he's a
giant killer, and he's he's kind of like this this
special thing, and he captured the tension of the subset
of voters that voted in this primary.

Speaker 4 (01:52:19):
And again, I who knows what happens in the general election.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
I think if I look at DC, right, and I
go back to the only example I have of this
is the Genese right she ran is.

Speaker 4 (01:52:32):
That, and she was able to capture a very unique ward,
which Ward four, which spans across a lot of rich
people west of the park in Chevy Chase. She was
able to capture that and then come back again east
of Rock Creek Park, which again a lot. It's changed
a lot. I mean, the demographics have changed.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
I mean there's a lot more affluent people in that,
and she was able to win that, right, And I
know these are two different things, but the thing I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Say is that, yeah, those are affluent people who vote
like they're poor people.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
Yeah, but I mean it could. But so the Democratic
Socialist turns a lot of people off like that, It
turns a lot of It turns a lot of people off. Yeah,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
I mean, certainly Bernie Sanders doesn't seem to have a
problem with it or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Right, And but I mean AOC is in New York
as well, right, And I think in popular in PC,
the people who come out to those rallies, right and like,
and if he can govern in a way that is successful,
maybe it turns the tide on that. And then what
I wonder is that are other places?

Speaker 4 (01:53:42):
Look at d C and I mean we have a
mayor race that will come up shortly as well too,
And I don't know, but like could.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
She would would could that happen in d C? Right
if Miroe doesn't run for a fourth term? Right? Or
in other places? Uh, in the country. And I think
it's more like a stay tuned. I think that it's
a huge I think it's a huge win. But I
think the Democrats to make a choice.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
Yeah, I think this is maybe like a distinction without
a difference though, because like I'm not sure amongst anybody
I know, even amongst a political class, could explain to
me what's what's different policy wise between a Democrat and
a Democratic socialist?

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
Like what are they?

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
What is it that the socialist the problem?

Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
But the problem I.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
Think we found with the Democrats specifically, right, different with
Democratic socialists is the people who they attract, right, And again,
the Democrats have lost the work and they've lost the
working class. Right, if we look at the demographics in
the sense of who votes for them, it's highly educated
people and highly affluent people.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
That has happened. We know the Republican Party has grated.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
But putting the word socialists on there, do you think
you get any of them back or it makes it worse.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
I think if you put policies that people really like
in the real economy right, whether it's the Brent Freeze
is where and maybe you don't get these things across
the line, But if you are able to talk to them,
I do think it right. You're speaking to a class
of people who who feel forgotten and people who can
look at a Donald Trump and say, what is that
to me?

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
But what is that that? What is the difference between.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
I don't think I don't think Democrats are doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
No, well, but I don't think that that by calling
you so Mamdani being outspoken is maybe more important than
that he's a democratic socialist. I don't think that it's it,
you know, the title. I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
That ran with that title and won. Yeah, yeah, No,
I I that's all it is for me.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
I think, especially if you're running in a Democratic primary,
and especially if you're running in a place like New
York City, you're okay with that title because it signals
to the progressive wing that you're you're gonna try harder.
Then they think the regular democrats would. But it's safe
because the people like me who wouldn't say socialists but

(01:56:12):
would say democrat are like, well, I don't think there's
really any difference between these things. I vote for them too,
So it's like it's not harmful. But when you're up
in a general or if you've got you know, if
you end up being the mayor of the largest city
in the country and you have this word tied to
you that people mistakenly equate with totalitarian communist regimes, like

(01:56:32):
a lot of the things when you hear people say well,
this is what's wrong with the socialist country, it's not
a problem with the socialist aspect of it at all.
It's a problem with corruption, or it's a problem with
one party rule or something like that, but it isn't
a problem with the socialist aspect of it. They don't
know what that means. They don't know the difference.

Speaker 3 (01:56:51):
And if you're worried about corruption, what has just already
been happening. No, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying
that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
I'm saying that like when you if you I was
talking to somebody and she says, oh, well, look at
the healthcare in Romania is so bad. That's because they
were a socialist country and the communist country, and that's
why socialism is failed. And it's like that has nothing
to do with that at all. That has to do
with the fact that they had a despot dictator who
ran the place through the mid nineties and they haven't

(01:57:20):
recovered from it yet. It's not socialism, that's dictators.

Speaker 4 (01:57:24):
But yeah, exactly, And I understand again we're asking a
lot of people to like trying to parse that and
like go into that beet because I don't think folks
think on that level. But I think if you were able,
if he wins, you're able to run the city effectively
that people, then you might change the way pest.

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
But if he wins and he is has a hard
time running the city effectively, which is difficult to do
even in the best circumstances because it's difficult to manage.
Now you've got the rest of the country pointing at
that democrats and saying, see, this is what a democrat is.
He's a Muslim, he's a terrorist, and he's a socialist Atkami,

(01:58:07):
you know, and they're gonna go all democrats are that
guy and then then we're stuck.

Speaker 4 (01:58:12):
It's a risk, But also I don't think the change.
I think there is a place where he might be.
You'll get into if he's fortunate enough to win, you'll
get into office and realize that you'll need certain type
of partnerships. And what you hope is that the person
is able to make those partnerships. Where again, I don't

(01:58:32):
see him being like this crazy revolutionary that's coming into
the No, he's not, but that doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
They're gonna paint him as that, and then then the
progressives are gonna see him making those partnerships and they're
gonna say, see, he.

Speaker 3 (01:58:43):
Sold us out. He's not.

Speaker 2 (01:58:44):
He's not really, you know, as radical as we wanted
him to be. Which is the problem with these primaries,
where you have your ideologues that can win a primary,
and then when they have to govern, you can't really
govern in an ideological way, and the people who voted
for them don't understand that because they're they're just not
they're not the ones doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:01):
The art of politics is to be persuasive, and I
hope mister Mandani is a persuactive is as persuasive in
getting people to not only vote for him in the
general election if he's so fortunate to win.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
I mean, so far he seems pretty, he's charming, and
he's pretty social media savvy, and he's obviously he's smart.

Speaker 3 (01:59:22):
And because because.

Speaker 4 (01:59:24):
Here's the question, because because can you turn out the
can you turn out like for me, for him to win,
right these other groups? Can you turn out black voters,
can you turn out youth? Can you turn out Jewish voters,
which is huge in this specific city, or sure if
you can do that, right, if you can make if
you can go in to whatever, if you can go

(01:59:46):
into like a Jewish family and be like, hey, I
know you might feel a certain way about like and
be a be persuasive.

Speaker 3 (01:59:53):
That to me is the art of politics, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
That's just straight up politics. And and and he seems
pretty gifted at that. So and and I'm I'm hope. Look,
I'm very hopeful for hi, mom, Donnie. I I want him.

Speaker 3 (02:00:04):
To be O, which I think is huge.

Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
I think there's an opportunity there obviously if he does
well at this and then then you know, there's growth
and there's an opportunity to pull the party leftward and
to try to advance it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (02:00:15):
The young people run because that's what we need. Like
I guess the I mean like I wish, I wish.

Speaker 4 (02:00:21):
I again was not a shackle to capitalism.

Speaker 3 (02:00:26):
The way I am and like like, hey, you know what,
this is what I'm gonna go, run and rub what
you like your bullets?

Speaker 2 (02:00:31):
Jersey dollar, don't you exactly?

Speaker 3 (02:00:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:00:35):
All right, speaking speaking of basketball, let's talk about big balls.

Speaker 3 (02:00:41):
Okay, So you remember that there was this the Doji guy.

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
Yes, his name was uh Edwards Old?

Speaker 3 (02:00:53):
No? Yeah, was he barely twenty?

Speaker 2 (02:00:55):
Maybe he was nineteen and he came in.

Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
But his nickname, you know, is Handle. He goes by
his big balls, as one of those nineteen year old
would have.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
Of course he would.

Speaker 1 (02:01:08):
So.

Speaker 2 (02:01:08):
One of the best known members of Donald Trump's Department
of Government Efficiency has left the building, part of an
exodus following the acrimonious departure of billionaire advisor Elon Musk.
Big Balls drew the spotlight as part of the DOGE
advisory group searching the government for savings through dismantling agencies

(02:01:31):
and laying off tens of thousands of government workers. Hey listen,
I just read the news story.

Speaker 17 (02:01:37):
Ness Chorustine nineteen, had worked at Musk's company, Neuralink before
joining him at DOJE. He and others, including Steve Davis,
ran Doge's day to day operations.

Speaker 3 (02:01:52):
They've left the government.

Speaker 2 (02:01:55):
In March, Big Balls provided tech support to cybercrime gang
that had racked about trafficking and stolen data, harassing FBI agents.
And let's see, the Doge departures came after, you know,
the two whitest white people got in a fight with

(02:02:16):
each other. And I think Big Balls might have been
involved in trying to keep up that website that was
supposed to list all of their savings but out to
be all a bunch of lies. So, you know, sorry
to see you go, Big Balls. We all really loved
having Big Balls around. But you know, I guess we'll

(02:02:39):
have to slap somebody else around.

Speaker 3 (02:02:41):
Now. No way he was able to Jezus Christ, No
way he was able to stay there after departure of ELI.

Speaker 2 (02:02:50):
Now, I'm sure Big Balls had to just throw all
of his stuff in a sack and leave.

Speaker 1 (02:02:56):
And just.

Speaker 18 (02:03:00):
Good, you got shafted, Yes, yes, he got sat there
you go. I had to think that one through.

Speaker 2 (02:03:12):
All right, this one might be a bigger deal than
we think here, Yes, this is this is a we're
gonna give it like a little version of this. This
is one where we're gonna we want to note that
we're paying attention to it, but you gotta stay tuned.
Trump administration has decided to sue all fifteen federal district
court judges in Maryland. Now, this is tricky. How do

(02:03:32):
you sue a judge? What do you sue them for?
Where do you assume them? What's the standing?

Speaker 3 (02:03:38):
Here's what happened.

Speaker 2 (02:03:40):
The law allows judges a lot of leeway in controlling
the schedules that go on in their courts or in
their districts if you're the chief judge within a particular district,
and the law also allows them to sort of managed
schedules in a way that are convenient and still allow

(02:04:02):
for due process and specifically protect due process from the
government essentially bringing a million cases overnight in the middle
of the night and starting the clock at times that
they can't do so. The chief judge of this district,
whose name I believe is Russell. George, Yeah, George L. Russell,

(02:04:23):
he put in a blanket deal that said here, Brian's
got the quote up there. The recent influx of habeas
petitions concerning alien detainees that have been filed after normal
court hours and on weekends and holidays has created scheduling

(02:04:44):
difficulties and resulted in hurried and frustrating hearings in that
obtaining clear and concrete information about the location status of
the petitioners is elusive. Basically, the government is fouling these
things so rapidly and move I been trying to move
too many people through the court that the judges don't
have time to adequately preside over the cases and get

(02:05:06):
the information. And in some cases they're asking the government
for information, the government saying, well, we don't have that.
So what he did was say, no, Dice, everything's got
to proceed. If you bring somebody in, there's a forty
eight hour mandatory. You can't deport them while we get
this sorted out. You gotta put everything on the schedule rule.

Speaker 3 (02:05:28):
It seems very basic from the judges who are supposed
to be impartial, right, doesn't seem to be that crazy. Yeah,
But of course the Trump people say that this is
a district judge trying to usurp the authority of the president.
So in legal filings, Justice Department attorneys excuse me later,

(02:05:50):
but so boring. I don't even want to think about it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:54):
Requested that the Fourth Circuit Appeals Court randomly select the
judge from another district to hear are this lawsuit in Maryland,
then all the judges in Maryland would have a conflict
and they argue because they are name dependents in the case.
And Okay, probably that's gonna happen, like they'll they'll, you know,

(02:06:15):
the courts will assign somebody to hear that. But like,
I don't know how they have standing. I don't know
what they can where they're bringing this case, Like this
doesn't math for me, So stay tuned. But this could
be a big one. Suing judges for doing what they're
lawfully allowed to do is a really big step into

(02:06:37):
fascism because what.

Speaker 4 (02:06:40):
Happens because they yeah, that's a great question, and I think,
I mean, they keep saying the judges are trying to
usurp the executive branch.

Speaker 3 (02:06:51):
No, the judges are being a check.

Speaker 4 (02:06:54):
On That's what they don't like, because you keep usurped
is not the word, it's they are a check on
the executive branch.

Speaker 2 (02:07:04):
It sounds like they have a problem with Jimmy Madison,
maybe they should go dig him up and ask him
about that, because like he's the one that set it up.

Speaker 4 (02:07:12):
And then it's also to me comes back to the
inability not just now but for the last but thirty
years of Congress, right, I mean, because when you don't
have when all three branches aren't operating, and I mean
there are reasons obviously for why Congress doesn't operate, but
when they're not all operating, when one pulls itself out,

(02:07:33):
this is how you create.

Speaker 2 (02:07:34):
This yeah, right, right, inability to assert themselves has created
has supercharged the power of the executive and the judiciary
because yeah, because there isn't that natural balance the way
that the founders set it up. So now the courts

(02:07:55):
have had to essentially do some of Congress's authority for
them by telling the administration there's things that they can't
do and saying, if you wanted this, you'd have to
get an Act of Congress to do it all but
pushing Congress to assert themselves and do something, but they
never do, so you know, their pussy ass bitches is

(02:08:16):
what it is. I don't know how to how to
I don't know what the legal turn there is, but
like that's the word.

Speaker 4 (02:08:22):
As I think through this, I mean, the only outcome
and maybe it doesn't end in like severe severe bloodshed.
But it's clear that like this country is right for
a constitutional convention, and I don't know how we get
to it, right, And I don't know what that looks

(02:08:45):
like because because really, like obviously everybody you hear that,
like the only way most people feel like you get
to it is violence and that and then when the
violence subdues and everybody's like, okay, yeah, we're gonna killed
a lot of us, then all right, we need to
figure this out. And I created it doesn't get to that,
and maybe there's another path forward.

Speaker 3 (02:09:04):
But it's clear that we need updated and I don't
think some of it. I don't think everything has to
be tossed out from what we I think you build
upon as we have. Right, there are amendments to the Constitution,
but it is clear that there might be a like
this country needs something new, and I don't know what

(02:09:24):
that is. But I don't think you rip up what's there.
I think there's a lot of great parts of the Constitution.

Speaker 2 (02:09:32):
Yeah, three fits of it's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (02:09:33):
Yeah, you know they but Yeah, it's clear. That's clear
what's needed in this country. How you get to that though,
I don't know how you get to without any insane
but even if it's amendments, right, because now we're gonna
have to rebuild, right, especially where the executive branch is now.

Speaker 3 (02:09:50):
It can't continue that way.

Speaker 4 (02:09:52):
We need new laws to be put in to try
to bring back some of that power. And then do
you have have confidence in Congress to actually legislate And
actually no, you don't so far.

Speaker 3 (02:10:05):
No, I mean it would.

Speaker 2 (02:10:06):
It would take a huge shift in attitude amongst Congress
and amongst the voters to be honest.

Speaker 3 (02:10:14):
Yeah, that's it, And that's what it sucks.

Speaker 2 (02:10:17):
Being of people who vote. I think this guy votes
so the road kill eating, brainworm harboring shit creek diving
chainsmoker who thinks he's going to tell us how to
be healthy. He convened his meeting of not scientists to

(02:10:38):
recommend vaccines. They want to get rid of the hepatitis
two vaccine or B vaccine. They had this lady who
used to work for Kennedy at the vaccines.

Speaker 3 (02:10:51):
Are bad, I believed company.

Speaker 2 (02:10:55):
Yeah, give this presentation about about mercury vaccines. And then
they were like, yeah, we're voting to take that out.
It's like, okay, well it's already not in any of
the vaccines. But also I did a little more reading
on this. Apparently she doesn't know that there's a difference
between ethyl mercury and methyl mercury. There's an M in

(02:11:18):
methyl and there's not in ethyl.

Speaker 3 (02:11:20):
And.

Speaker 2 (02:11:23):
They are vastly different and they do vastly different things
to people. So you know, so anyway, RFK is doing
the thing that he swore he wasn't gonna do, which
is he's he's making it hard for people to get
the vaccines that they need. So the rest of the
actual world science and doctors and all that stuff are

(02:11:44):
getting together and coming up with essentially an alternative system.
And there's an extraordinary effort to create a parallel system
of recommending and perhaps even providing vaccines.

Speaker 3 (02:11:58):
Two people.

Speaker 2 (02:11:59):
Their work with providers, they're working with insurance companies, they're
working on like CBS's and Walgreens and stuff like that,
trying to basically like, when the Health and Human Services fails,
here's this alternative system. Because we think that that's going

(02:12:21):
to happen. And I applaud them for doing this. I
expected something like this was going to kind of pop
up because you just take the experts that got fired
and you put them there. Questions who's going to fund it?
I don't know, but like this is the kind of
thing that we're gonna have to do. We're we have
to set up shadow organizations and get corporations and people

(02:12:42):
who have previously refused to follow any kind of regulation
unless being forced to by threat of government to now
voluntarily follow some set of regulations set up by an
independent group that has no force of law behind it.
But that might be the only way we get through this,
So stay tuned to that, but get your shots.

Speaker 3 (02:13:06):
While you can, for God's sakes.

Speaker 2 (02:13:07):
Yeah, all right, and with that lightning flash that puts
us at the end of the show, hooray. It's a
short one tonight, only a little while over two hours.

Speaker 3 (02:13:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:13:20):
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Speaker 4 (02:14:01):
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Speaker 3 (02:14:09):
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Not just that.

Speaker 2 (02:14:17):
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Speaker 4 (02:14:26):
I'll give it that piece there. The interaction, it's an
interesting I don't know. That's a whole different show.

Speaker 3 (02:14:33):
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