Sonari Glinton and the price of vanilla beans

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So this week there is a very special edition of
chip Chat because the shutdown is over and the American
people got literally nothing for it.

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So that was fun. I can't I won't get into
this yet.

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We will get into it later, but yeah, but yeah,
that's a fun one.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
What's going on?

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Also this week we do have a very cool guest scenario.
Clinton is going to be joining us. Man. I've been
trying to get to talk to him for ages, so
this is going to be really exciting. We're going to
ask him about his new projects and we think it
has something to do with ice cream flavors.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Not totally clear about that.

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Yeah, fccene emails?

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Who knew? Who knew?

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He wrote email? Also did you see his email address?

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What?

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Okay, guy? What you're the itch? So I'll ask you
about we'll get to that.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Rudy is celebrating four seasons day right, that was just
this last week. It's been however many years now, six.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yearsscaping, five years, five years.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, so he had he had an anniversary of sorts, right,
he was given a nice gift for that. Let's see
what else is going on? Oh yeah, the Supreme Court
decides not to trample on same sex marriage yet, which
I think is very funny also because of how it

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who is ultimately paying the cost of this current decision.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Very funny. Let's see what else. You know, the news
has been moving pretty fast, right, but there's been a lot.
I mean, but that's been the case for how many
years now?

Speaker 2 (03:57):
We try, but one of the things that's been constant,
at least in my life, Uh, it's been pasta. And
you know, pasta comfort food.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
It feels great. Everybody loves a little pasta. Ah.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Having a big week, big week. I checked it in
the grocery store today though. So we'll have some info
on that. Live pricing, live pricing, live pricing. And you know,
while the BLS guys are not back out gathering data yet,
they may the chip chat here.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
They may never the reporting may never come back.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, I think you know something, it's sort of uniquely
special to the two of us. Is that missing this
many first fridays? I now understand what Heroin withdrawal is. Like,
you're the reports.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Who am I fooling?

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Okay, so we had two first fridays, we got no
data and and like it feels very unsettling, you know.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Just to be like, oh, there's my report.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
So so yeah, okay, so watch watching soccer not a mute,
that's that's fine.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
He's not watching Venezuela because they're a connon Bowl calf
but don't worry. Trump's watching Venezuela and uh and.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
That's not yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, And we're gonna make
uh scenario gat and play Florida.

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So it's gonna be a great show. It's gonna be
a great sho.

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Hopefully we haven't done Florida not a while, in a long.

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Time, Like, yeah, we have not done that in a
long time. We've many even guess we've had on Yeah, well.

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You know, some of them are a little more qualified than others.

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Let's just say so. It's good opportunity. Brian's doing something
with the with the camera here. I don't know what
he's doing with keeps moving stuff around. That's good, very distracting.

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I'm awesome.

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Don't pay attention to it, like you really need to
see the camera. You need to watch yourself on this.
I could easily do this show without looking at myself.

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On the camera.

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You think I'm not watching my.

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That is the greatest because he's just bursting in.

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Can you give me listen to some bad scored?

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Right?

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Who just scored? Did you already did? You just said
penalties and the listeners are just scored.

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Penalty. Okay, okay, room.

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For Panama because I used to live there, so okay, great.

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They knocked this out of a out of a gold
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Oh my god, I just I can't wait episode.

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I will go ahead and listen to this back because
I usually I just do the show and it's over with.
But I'm listening to the beginning of this because I
just want to hear these random screams from Brian. Oh
my god, we do such a Who knew.

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This would be the thing that would get Test to commit.

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To listen to.

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You're not going to add anything on the front end
of the show, but he will listen to it.

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If Brian makes weird interjections.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Exactly, I'm only here for the mistakes. I love the mistakes, and.

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Get a word and then we can do that thing.
But also, I don't know if you're going to continue
on your your weird uh you know you were doing
the book titles, oh yes, and then you moved on
to a.

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New That one was just it was just so many
great quotes on is it Chris right? Yeah, Chris Boden's
shirt and Chris Boden shirts and and yeah. I just
randomly was reading them all with no context, you know,
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that bit was the books will still reign supreme. In
the initial time of doing that, that was just nothing
will beat that. But what a timeline?

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All right? Do I have a word? A word? Yeah?

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Working it out?

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We're thinking because I need I wanted to actually work
have a word. You have a word? Yep, I have
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The first sound was it was the cell phone, the
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Okay, let's talk to our guests, who is much more
fun than searching for bell Uh. Scenari Glenn is a
journalist storyteller, best known for his reporting on the auto industry,
which is one of the things that I most admire
about him, retail and congress for for NPR, of course
as a longtime contributor, also to Planet Money, which is

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a big, big around here.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
He began his career at.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Wb e Z Chicago, I guess, teaching Ira Glass a
thing or two about radio and covering city politics, helping
expose corruption in the Cook County Juvenile Detention Center, which
I've fortunately not been inside. Later, he became a producer
for NPRS All Things Considered. He is produced and hosted
the podcast Bringing Back Bronco, Shattering the System and Now

(12:28):
What's Next, and reporting featured on This American Life, of course,
Fresh Air, Code Switch, and embedded all parts of Shows
that We Love or whole shows that we Love, Let's See.
Scenari Glinton serves on the board of the Mikvah Challenge,
a civic education nonprofit that empowers youth to be informed,
active citizens, and leaders in their communities, continuing a commitment

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to youth voices that began with his early work in
youth radio. Scenari Glinton, Welcome to Chipchat.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
It's good to be with you. Well, we are very
excited to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
This is awesome. Feel this is gonna be a great one.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, this is gonna go great. Okay, So let's get
this out of the way. Since you're very excited about
your Dodgers and your hat and everything, explain to people
if they are looking on the screen, why you're beaming
from ear to ear with your La Dodgers hat on.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Well, you know my dad. I have a Nigerian father
who passed away many years ago, and he told me
when I moved to a new city, He's like, just
wear their hat. Just where Oh no, he said, just
wear the shirt. Just wear the shirt of the people
where you live, and it'll be easier. And when I
moved to LA, I was like, I'm you know whatever.

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I liked my grandfather from Florida, so there was no
an MLB team, so he was a Dodgers fan. And
so when I moved to LA, I put on the hat.
I bought a hat, and I noticed every Latino that
I ran into would say hello to me, and I
was like, you know what, guess Bill's this feels like
something like I could wear forty two and no black

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person would be like say a word, but every Guatemalan
would be like little crazy Jackie ROERSR. Doyers, Jackie Robinson Doyers.
So I decided to become a fan thirteen or fourteen
years ago, and it's one of the best ballparks, all
of the things. And then I saw I was in

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love with show Heyo Tani just to be clear, when
he was with the Angels, I was like, I gotta
go see this mofo play some baseball. And I almost
cried when I found out he was coming to La.
I was just like, and it's all the dream, It's
everything you could dream of. It's the best baseball player,
it's it brought the city together when we're talking about

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the division in our world when you go. I went
to the night where they had the k Pop Knight
at Dodger Stadium, and I was like, the world has
done something that these Korean people.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Are cheering for this Japanese we gotta go out like
I'm just like, we have overcome.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
And nobody told me to quote Marla Gibbs right that,
I was like, this is something and this most amazing
thing to see Yamamoto kill it to see black and
brown people and just the love and they you know,
I just hope they don't go to uh, the White House.
But other than that, that's the only way they can
screw it up. But it's how much.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
So I mean black folks not seeing there, Like because
someone asked me one time where it's like, well, why
would you want to pick the Dodgers? And I'm like,
you know, Jackie Robinson, no matter what, at the end
of the day, like I can't there's only so much
and there's only much, so much I can despise the
team that was the first team to let a black
person play in the professional and the MLB specifically.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
And he's from Altadena and his wife is still alive. Yeah,
by the way, Rachel Robinson, she's still out there hanging
on doing well, you know what I mean, Like, and
she's a whole story under herself, so we got to
honor her at the bare minimum, right, that's crazy, And
what a story.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Thattani is like this absolute phenom. I mean, he's clearly
the best ball player to ever live in in ways
that are hard to explain.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
You know, we've got we haven't even found out yet right, we've.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Got one hundred and fifty years of modern baseball to
go back and look at, and there's nothing like this,
and and what a triumph of like uh, I want
to say, not just sport, but like americanness, the melting
pot aspect of America that here is this sport that
is quintessentially American that we exported around the world and

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comes back to us by way of Chotani and and
and not just him, but like all of these look
at how many of the players in both of those
teams in the World Series are from places that are
not the United States, and but they're all ballplayers. And
that is a thing that is is like one of

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our It's like up there with the moon landing, you know,
like America invented like baseball and the moon landing, Like
those things are pretty good.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah. Yeah, we've been in jazz and baseball. Here's a
little stat for you. According to LA Tourism, but visits
from Japan I just blanked on the what you'd call that.
Tourism from Japan is up ninety five percent since two thousand,

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since they since two thousand and twenty three, and ninety
percent of those people go to Dodger State. Of course
they do. And it's so it's the only thing, it
is the only thing that's I mean, this might be
a little bit of exaggeration, but it ain't much of
the few things that's holding downtown La together because of

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the people going to Little Tokyo. I mean, it's it's
it's for real. When you when you during the season,
you go, you see. And the thing I love is
when we cut to commercial here in La I mean
in the US they cut to the show Hey cam
in Japan, like watch him sitting in the dugout. Yeah.
And then this is the last little bit the thing

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that I've like my I'm writing a book which we
can get to. I've written a book called and the
guy who's editing it with me is working on a
deal about show Hayes interpreter. And we were talking about
why show Hey has an interpreter, and it's just like
just for people like, well, doesn't he speak only of

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course he speaks English, you heard him, right, But when
he talks to the interpreter, every Japanese player, every Japanese
fan can hear and pay attention. So you're like you
when show hay comes on and he talks to his interpreter.
It's the all of Japan is paying attention. So it's
just like it's so everything about it is interesting. It's

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the case study in economics, is a case study in dei,
it's a case study. And you know, God, what if
we you know, what if we did es subbition games
in Africa? I don't even you know, like who knows right?
Who knows you're right?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
You know, like, here's this really strange thing about like
the way baseball works and like global migration and all
this kind of stuff. You know, as Venezuela has been
collapsing and there's been this massive outflow of people. Millions
and millions of people are leaving that country. Quite a
lot of them ended up in Argentina, which is another

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country that is falling into complete chaos, and a lot
of them ended up in Buenos Aires. And there's a
problem in Buenos Aires. There's exactly one baseball field in
Buenos Aires, and so all of these Venezuelan expats were
playing baseball literally around the clock. They had to install
lights on this field because these guys were playing baseball

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around the clock on the only field that they had
in Buenos Aires and they you know, they've been trying
to get like build more baseball fields because Venezuelans love baseball.
And that's an amazing thing that these people are fleeing
disaster and the first thing they do when they get
to their home, their new home is like, well, let's
come on, let's go play ball.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yew gobbys before brains. Is like, is the thing that
I've been thinking about a lot as I've been writing
a book about how you know, Cornell West doesn't come first.
Oj Simpson does. If that bakes in the sense it's like,
you know it's not Jack is Jack Johnson gets there
before w eb d boys right? And this is this

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is the way sport is the way you change people's
ideas and society. And it's you know, it's just and
you can see it, like I said, when you see
Korean people cheering for a Japanese player, that is like,
that's like a Southerner cheering for Jackie Robinson, which.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
They did, which they did, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
They did, oh miss right. It's like they were like,
we know, we know when it comes down to it,
what really matters.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
You get that ball winning. We don't get everything.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Well, I can give you a look at the SEC
in college football, right the coaches you said, Yo, we're
gonna go.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Get these black folks, and we're gonna because they can
go play. They were the better teams and those other
teams were like, oh, they couldn't compete.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Look, Alabama knows about two things, racism and football, but
football is number one, and they they will make sure
that they are winning games. They'll put that racism too
the side for that one, I don't know, two to
three hour period on that Saturday to win. Then they'll
go back to it, of course later on in the
day because they're Alabama.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
But you know it is that it is. Take a
couple of SIPs during halftime too, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, naturally, right, that's the LSU guys really going on,
right exactly. All right, let's talk about some SIPs. So
we are very glad to have you. We are both
huge public radio nerds, and of course so you know
in public broadcasting is going through some tough times lately.

(22:27):
It has been rough out there, and notably speaking of NPR,
we just lost Susan Stanberg, who you know, I saw
that you wrote an article about that, and you know,
I had the incredible pleasure to meet her at the
Mothership back at the old office on mass Have when

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I was there for for a week doing some work.
And you know, even just those brief interactions with her
left such an impact on me, not just of course
as a listener, but you you have quite the relationship.
So if you don't mind, what did what did Susan
Stamberg mean to you? And how did she shape the
world that we live in today?

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Well, one, it's I think of this this weird thing
because it's definitely a person who was a celebrity that
I noticed everybody else, you know, like responding to her.
And then I have a very personal response. I think
of what my friend Lee Hill, who liked me as
a gay black man and he runs wbu R no, sorry,

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the WGBH. He's the news director or program director at WGBH,
and he wrote, what I think is the most profound
thing is that I was just in I was not
in programming, and I went on an event and Susan
Stamberg was like, you should be in programming, and then
she took him around to all of the people and

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now he runs WGBH. I mean, there's a lot of
story in there, but she was an early advocate of
his right. My friend Theo Balcom, who was one of
the people who started the Daily. She wouldn't have gotten
her job at NPR if Susan she went to sent
the same school. She made sure she followed up years later.

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And I think about that all the time. We talk
about being an ally. Lee Hill is an example of
her being an ally. Now, when you're friends with somebody,
I mean, and I became friends with her, not because
I was listening to her, because no offense. She was
the old lady in the office, and so she would
you know, she she had the lunch, She sat down
and she was with the people who had the lunch

(24:36):
at the end of the table. You go sit there
at the table and there would be like Susan Stamberg
and then the worth timer and maybe Nina would walk by.
Nina never had lunch would walk by. And I will
tell you there are some things that I cannot tell
you that I.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Heard right, but I'd say it on this show. This
is where r comes to cuts. Let's just put let's
put it.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Let's put it this way. I have I became friends
with Susan when she was in her seventies, so she
passed at eighty eight. We talked about sex in your
seventies and your eighties. Well, you know, she had a
boyfriend all of those things and the clearest I mean,
but here's the here's what will make I hope, will
make you laugh. So she would come to Los Angeles

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and because she was out of her element, she would,
you know, ask people that, like, you know, could you
I'm going to go to the library and go to
this musing him or go do this?

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Why don't you come with me?

Speaker 1 (25:31):
And a bunch of us would do that. Now I
was the car guy, so I'm like, if I'm gonna
ask Susan. So I would pull up to her house
and she's like, well what if I drive? I was like, uh, yeah, no,
that's never gonna happen. Like this is like not because
you're fucking I mean, sorry, because you're eighty you can

(25:51):
say because you're eighty, right, And she's like, well, I
just don't. I just I don't want people to think
that you're driving mistakes, And I yes, I am. I
mean ironically, I've driven all of the Founding Mothers except

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for Nina Totenberg, who drove me and her Toyota and
oh my god, was that funny. But Susan was like
a really real person and if you work with someone
like that, and she made me think a couple of things. One,
what it really means. Why it's really meaningful to be
friends with people who are older than you because of
what they do for you. Yes, and this is a

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life changing moment. It was ten years ago, me and
Nate Rot who's a correspondent at MPR. I hope he
is by now he is still we were still we
were sitting Oh my god, sorry, we had like I
live in Los Angeles. We were having a lot of Washington. Yeah,
we're having lunch. And she looked at us and was like,
and this was twelve years ago. She goes, when was

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the last time you learned how to do something new?

Speaker 6 (27:02):
M I know?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
And she's like, I don't mean I mean really new,
new new, like you've got to learn and you fail
and blah blah blah. And I at the time, I
wouldn't tell you how old I was, but I was old,
and I was like, I hadn't learned anything new, really,
And I walked into the office, walked into me Renee
Montanne's office, who hosts More at the time, was hosting Morning.
In addition, I grabbed a cook so I should go

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get it for you. Cook's Illustrated baking book off the shelf,
and I was like, I'm going to take this home.
She's like, oh no, you know how people give about
books in public radio. I'm like, are you taking this?
You don't cook? I'm taking this home and I will
cook every recipe in this book. And I started baking.
It's one of my sincere passions flower ranging those things

(27:48):
like and I think I think of you know, since
you got me just quickly. Some things that I've done
with Susan Stanberg that I think no other person can say.
And it's funny. I took Susan Stanberg to the abbey,
a gay bar. That's one like I can't even go
around like I took Susan Stamburg to the abbey. I
went to Paramount and Warner Brothers with her, like where

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she would go like people would because you Susan Stanberg
and people recognize her by her own course, right, it's crazy, right,
it's not crazy, Like so people would be like, what
like standing in the line and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
Do I know you?

Speaker 1 (28:24):
And my favorite moment of being with Susan is I
was dripping. She asked me to drive her to a
play and it was called The class Act. And she's like, well,
it's a classmate of mine, you know, wrote this play.
Now we all have friends who written plays and you know,
like and I was just like, oh, yeah, this is
gonna be some nonsense because I'm thinking about my friends. Right,

(28:47):
I'm driving her, you know, to burd Bank. I like,
by the way, what are the plays did this guy write?
And she's like, wait on a course line. I'm like okay,
So we go and it turns out that this guy,
the guy I've blanken on his name, but a class
Act is the play of a compendium of all of
his work. He wrote two songs because Susan was beautiful,

(29:10):
in my opinion, even in the seven she's like a
good looking woman like just like a handsome woman like.
And so this guy fell in love with her, wrote
two story, I mean, two songs with her, and so
at the play, both of the songs get performed and
afterwards there was like a dinner and I had to

(29:31):
sit between the two actresses who played the person inspired
you know, like that is just some stuff you will
never I sat between the two actresses who played Susan
earlier in the night, and that was like one of
those like like I say, it is and whatever you
imagine someone like that to be. It's like I always

(29:51):
choke whatever you think. Nina Tomberg is like, trust me,
she's one hundred percent that person, right, It's just like
she had a.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Pretty good idea.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, yeah, you have a pretty good idea. Oh yeah,
that person you do. Not Like I always say, if
like we used to joke in contract negotiations, Susan would
shame them and Nina would scare them. M that's a
good combo.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Oh yeah, yo, because Nino, anybody who's doing collective bargaining
right now, that's.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
What that is what you need to do.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Not good cop, that cop.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
It's scared them.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
It's scare and shame. Yeah, because hell, lot of my
two friends scared and was not to be with.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah. And and like literally Nina might break someone's kneecaps.
I'm not even like that's not that's like a joke.
That is for real and so but it's like one
of the but what Susan makes me think of the
importance of trying new things, being bold right because she

(30:58):
you know, like what was public radio before she started,
you know, trying it and really thinking about the people
who are in the place that you are, Like, that's
the idea. It is like you're not just hosting a show.
If you're hosting a show, it's like you're hosting a
dinner party. And the people around who work with you

(31:21):
are the people who are sitting at the table, and
the people who aren't there, who aren't sitting at the table,
you know what I mean, Like you have to you
have multiple audiences that you have to you have to engage.
And that's one of the things that I learned from her.
And it makes me think, you know, I did weep
when she passed away because it's like, is this all

(31:42):
the public radio?

Speaker 3 (31:43):
I don't feel bad about that.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, is this the end of public radio? And I'm like,
well maybe this version and I did live through a
golden era, but it is what new things are we doing?
What am I doing new? How can I innovate? Who
can I talk to? Am I really paying attention to
the audience? And they I feel like I just got

(32:06):
a note. I just saw that there's a competition with PBS,
you know, looking for public lens, which is like we're
going to do a competition looking for new folks, and
I think that now is the time, Like I've never
what's weird is that I've never felt that we needed

(32:28):
public media more or journalism. And that's what right, I mean, like,
we need, we need art, we need I used to
think that the stuff that I was interested in, Quincy
Jones and whatnot was like a man, it's not like
no one really cares about that. It's like no, no, no,
we need it now.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
It's funny that you mentioned that, because you know, a
lot of the times we're talking to people who are artists,
musicians or writers.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
But frequently when we.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Talk to artists, we ask them some version of like
why do we need art when things are difficult? And
they all kind of land on something along the lines
of that, you know, art isn't frivolous, it's not superfluous,
it's not it's not just you know, fun, or or

(33:19):
even cathartic or emotional when it is those things, but
that it is necessary and that it is it is
the thing that maybe makes us most human is that
even in our worst times, we make art, and and
that we need that because it helps us through those things.
And that can that can come in a lot of forms,
you know, Like I process the tragedy of what's happening

(33:42):
around me through comedy, right, and I think that a
lot of people do famously.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Gilbert Godfrey says, if.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Disaster or tragedy plus time equals comedy, why wait? And
and that is like a big thing for me, right,
That's why we do this on this show. Do we
cross a lot of lines? Definitely, But that's kind of
like how we handle it. But you know, we have
other friends who write songs about it or who who
compose you know, like Early Bird, that guy composes an

(34:12):
album like every three weeks. I mean, that dude is
like just churning stuff out. And then then we have
other friends who who do it by being around other
people and and but but it's all creative, you know,
they're never not creating.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
And so, yeah, that art is important. Don't don't ever
take it frivolously. I would.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
I would challenge anybody on that.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
And Susan kind of embodied that too, right because even
after she left all things considered and doing all the
hard news stuff, and hosting all of that.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
She was covering art visual art on the radio.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
That doesn't make any sense. How are you gonna cover
paintings on the radio. But somehow, somehow she was doing
it in a way that would bring us all in.
And it felt like, well, I don't have to go
to the gallery now. Susan went for me and explained
me what she saw.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
You know, it was that it felt like that, well,
you know, art is you know, so important. I mean,
I'm so I guess I'll plug a movie that I'm
in right now. It's called Soul on Fire, the Life
of Elie Wizzel, and I was Eliuiselle for you know

(35:17):
those listening, was a Holocaust survivor, and he he wrote,
you know, I'm probably one of the most important books
about the Holocaust. Night I read it when I was thirteen,
I wrote him, He wrote me back. I ended up
going to college there at Boston University where he taught,
and having a relationship with him. And you know, very

(35:40):
different people obviously, right, I'm a very different person than him.
But I think of you know, I would say when
I was doing collective bargaining and NPR and other things.
I mean, he's why I'm in public radio. Is that.
The thing that we did agree on is that sometimes
you got to be annoying. Sometimes you have to be

(36:01):
the person who says the thing. And I realize even
though Knight is, you know, is a memoir, then like
that that legitimately does get you know, air quotes. Is
it is a memoir. You know, some people question the
veracity of all of the parts of it, But it's
that work, doing that work. You cannot tell me that

(36:25):
that work was not impactful, which is just telling the
story of what happened.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
To me, right, yeah, I mean in a way it's
like reporting. Right, it's like some stuff happened, want to
hear about it, and.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Right the draw that breath in pain to tell my story,
which is what Hamlet says to her Ratio. That is
the most important, Like that's the most important part of
the play. These people think I'm crazy, Hey friend, please
let them know that the king killed my mama, like

(37:00):
they made my girlfriend go crazy, like draw that please
tell them the truth about me. That is the most
important thing that part can be. And sometimes you can't
tell the truth by you know, like it's not reporting.
Sometimes it's writing a novel. Sometimes it's doing a movie,

(37:21):
sometimes it's doing a podcast, and maybe the truth only
comes out in ninety second increments at a time, and
you just everything else is bys but that part. You know,
my mother is Dorothy Glinton and my teacher was Elie Wizel.
When I'm faced with the evil that's in the world,
I feel a real need to say something, to do something.

(37:48):
And if this dude could go to get the Presidential
Congressional Medal of Freedom, whichever the ward it was, and
look at Ronald Reagan and say, hey, mister President, thank you,
but no thank you, Like that is that's what we
are called to do. And if he can do it right,
what can I do? And like, that's what art is.
That's can we be more collaborative? Can we how often

(38:10):
can we say yes, you know, what are we doing
in this world? I think that art is the only
thing that really will make a difference because if we
the stuff we make now, if we do it well,
will survive. And it's one of the times. One of
the ways that you can poke at the bear and
scurry away is like, if you're not doing art in

(38:33):
this moment, if you have, like then what are you
doing sometimes art's the only safe way to report.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
And also, since you mentioned it, do I get credit
for doing art every time I say fuck Reagan? Because
I do say that a lot. And I would like
a congressional medal of something. You know what they named
our airport after that fucking guy. Yeah that won, it's
just national's yeah, all right, So looks, let's shift hears

(39:02):
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
I know you from.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
One of the things that I most admire about you
is your amazing reporting on the auto industry.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I have fallen out of it, but I was.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
I was a popular mechanics kid who read the spy
reports on all these cars and all that stuff. So
how is it that you, you know, got so into
cars and how did you become such an expert at that?
It's a it's a niche thing. So what is what
is it that made you an auto industry expert?

Speaker 1 (39:31):
My mama tell the story. My mother, I am a
third well one the story. It's like, it's really interesting
if you go and look at black folks who went
to college, well, we over index the So the most
popular I think, let me see if I can say
it the right way, the most popular uh profession for

(39:56):
the parent of a black college student is autoworker, not
school teacher, not any not doctor. Like if you work
at Ford, General Motors or Chrysler, you send your kids
to college.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
That's that's what you know.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
And it's like, I got a whole deep thing in
my head about like how when we talk about bad
American cars, You're like, that are from Detroit? And what's Detroit?
Detroit's the blackest city. Why are so You're going to
tell me that the Germans are inherently better at engineering.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Sounds crazy to me? Yeah, right, that sounds crazy to me.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Right, I don't. I don't me no like you, that's nonsense, right, No,
But I was. I would be wearing my mother's Ford jacket,
which I wear all the time, and I joke with
people that that my mom picking me up at five
o'clock in the morning to take me to the babysitter
and putting lad and my head resting on her breast,

(40:55):
which where it had the Ford emblem. I was reading
the annual reports for Ford because that was what they
came in every year. I read those. I could tell
you every CEO of Ford, and I feel like in
the world of public radio or journalism. No one is.
You know, I joke with someone that I don't have

(41:15):
imposter syndrome. They're like, oh, good for you. I was like, yeah, no,
but I've never gotten a job where I had to
stretch because nobody was taking a chance on my black ass.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
And I feel like invent the Mustang or like one
of the versions of the Mustang or something like that.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
No, you're thinking of Iermaline King, who was the design
was a different story. That she worked at Ford for
a million years, right, my mother word for Ford for
thirty years. She soothed them, She had thousands of employees.
Is the most important thing, you know. It's like it's
my mom worked with the four. You know, she helped
design this is the small thing that she did, which
is a big thing. She helped design the simile line

(41:55):
that's in the four. Tourists came about, yes, the people.
So it's like one of those things is like, you know,
it's really you know, stacked upon stacked. My dad drives
a mercury sable. Right now, there you go wagging, Yeah,
unless it was made in Atlanta, which if you live
in d C. The sum mud of a chance that

(42:17):
it could have been. But it used, it says it
in the they still had.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
That little mushroom shaped one, one of the ones that
they My parents owned a million Tauruses, but I think
that one of them. I know that the ninety four wagon,
that wonderful green color that everybody had, that arrow design
ninety four Taurists wagon, that was definitely made in Detroit.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
So I my grandfather, you know, my grandfather, like millions
of other people, left the South to go to Detroit
to join the auto industry. He worked for Cadillac, and
I'm very proud of him. He was a union man
and he helped unionize Cadillac General Motors, always the most
anti black, for most anti Jewish, Ford allowed more blacks. Shocking.

(43:08):
That's that those are the you know, oh and and
and and and Henry Ford. I mean, Henry Ford invented
monitorned anti Semitism. So let's give him credit. Let's give
him credit where credit is due, right, he'd be so
proud of where we are right now. Oh yeah, but
so and I worked my way through college at Boston
University on the assembly line at the Chicago Assembly Plant.

(43:30):
And so by the time I got to looking for
a job at NPR, I remember Guy Ross, who's a
good friend of mine, who's uh he was like, they're
not hiring anybody scenario, but they will, and you want
to be ready wants to hire him for his ends.
And so a guy who is a friend and ally

(43:51):
of mine, and like, so I did a reporter fellowship
and I was teed up Berliner, who they people may
know for being the what that the so called whistle blower.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah he's he's got he's got fans on many sides
of this conversation.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah. Uh, Urbil winner the most mediocre human that ever
mediocred just like he wrote an essay, I mean he wrote,
we all ready, we're not we're not pleased about that?
Filled with errors. No, And let's just so you know,
he was the guy right who hired me. I worked

(44:31):
with him for eight years. I just want to say
that this gay black man worked with this person who
wasn't sure if you know, systemic racism exists Jesus Christ.
So that was but he hired me to when when
the world was interested in Detroit, and the New York
Times had a bureau in Detroit, and NPR sent me

(44:53):
to Detroit and they did it for two years. And
everybody lost their interest in Detroit. But that was really
how I don't think I could have gotten the job
if I wasn't like I built cars. What other car
report has built cars? Every person I know and love,
like literally, I was just texting, Uh, this woman Debbie,

(45:14):
who I used to call when I was in third
grade because that was how I could call my mother,
was called the clerk called called Debby. Yeah, call Debbie.
Debbie would get on them.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
You call call your parent at work is something like
like not calling they don't I know the work number
right now to my mom first?

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, I know right. This is this is why, this
is why I was a great reporter, because the rest
of the white boys at the Detroit papers who never
met a car reporter who didn't talk to black people.
I still remember that the forward plant in Chicago is
three one is six four six three one hundred, and

(45:57):
then you go to and I know the number your
dial to get to with W is retired, but to
get the debris, and Debbie would find my mama no
matter where she was, and the plant and that hold on, baby,
I won't get her. And so if I needed to
talk about the union contract of what was going on.
Debbie wouldn't tell me a damn thing, but she would

(46:20):
connect me with somebody to be like, hey, talk to
this boy, this is my blah blah blah. And that
was how I knew, always always knew what was happening
in the UAW, always knew what was happening in the UAW.
And that was really my benefit. And I think in
many ways that's what and what's funny is that I
am not a car enthusiast because I find there's something.

(46:43):
I mean, this is interesting. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
You could have fooled me.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
But okay, I'm not an enthusiast because I don't really
I don't love cars because this is what I mean
I say. I'll say this cars. I love cars, and
I loathe them. They gave me everything, pay for my college.
My mother worked there. I know that I live in
but then my cud dad was killed in a car accident. Right,

(47:08):
so they gave me everything and they took everything away.
I'm not a speed demon and know like, who cares,
like give me a you know, but I it was
the best. I love it and I'm going to the
LA Auto Show. I will never like leave it because
it gives me a window into the economy, it gives
me a window into race in America, and it gives

(47:31):
me a wind, and it gives me a window into
the quote real people.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Right.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
I'm always in contact with people who work in the UAW, black, white,
or and different. It's the one thing that I read
every day is automotive news because it tells me and
it's the one industry that African Americans have slightly not
even have come close to parody in wow close and

(47:58):
then right, and we think we think we we The
one place we've more than parody is the government and
past sense, not the NBA, because we have to count
all the other people less than five percent of sports,
I mean the guys on the court. But yeah, right,
but that but that's but that's my I mean, but
that's my no, I get, that's the point.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
That's what you're seeing up.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yes, yeah, that's the point of my book. That's the
port and everything. It's like only five percent of of
professional sports is black because you got to consider the
back office, the doctors and all that.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
So you look at.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Sports and you're like, sports, ain't that sports ain't that inclusive?
If you anywhere else you know, if you're anywhere else.
So it was like, but covering the auto industry really still,
I think is it gives you international reporting, it gives
you local reporting, it gives you all kinds of people.

(48:50):
It's so fun and it tells you the built environment,
tells you about what's what's happening. And I think that
I'm really I get really excited because it also is
the way that you know, like I said, I'm a
gay man. Is also the way the quickest way for
me to connect with people because when they when when
all of the engineers and whatnot found out I was

(49:13):
the car like car guy, like they'd be like, they
talk to me, and while I don't know, I barely
know what a piston is or know nothing about engines.
That's what my mother's for, right, if you really need right,
she's she's the one that asked to know that expert.
One call away, well, one call away, and this is

(49:33):
this will be funny. I'll end up this little rant
about my mom. Is that having a lot of employees
and being good at management, it's a real thing. A
buddy of mine was going on a campaign story and
he called me up in a panic because his car
broken down near interestingly baseball wise near what would be

(49:56):
Kiniski Park, right. So he calls me and I'm like, oh,
I don't know why. I call my mother and she
tells me something and I call him back and I'm like,
I'm tired of this game of telephone. N I want
you call this kid. Blah blah blah. Eight hours later
he calls me. It's like, oh my god, your mother.
I'm like, oh, what did this woman do?

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Now?

Speaker 1 (50:13):
He's like some guy named cool Breeze who was an
actual person my mother's and boy, cool Breeze, watch your
name Cool Breeze, because I'm a cool Breeze. Fair enough.
I never know his government, never known this man's government.
Then nobody does. You don't need to Yeah, rolled up
fix this brother's car, didn't ask for nothing, scurried away,

(50:40):
and it was like, well what do I do? I
was like, boy, you better send my mama something hours
some flowers. Send us some flowers and make sure they
take off the thorns on the roses. No baby's breath
and no carnations exact. That's what she wants. So you
make sure you do that. But that is the that's
what I'm the auto industry. And there's that thing. And

(51:02):
I still those people when I sent the candy, but
you know, you have to sell the dollar candy or whatever.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
I know exactly sold out walk up, you know, man,
I was.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
My mother was like, boy, you go send out these
graduation announcements. It's like, why am I sending these graduation announcements? Man,
I got chicks, right, That's why you send it out.
Because these people who worked for her and around her
and whatnot. And there's like I say, I am a
product of the American auto industry. I'm in the middle
class because of the American auto industry. And there's nothing

(51:41):
more beautiful than that. My grandfather walked to Detroit from Georgia,
MM right, with nothing, left his family behind. It was
kind of an asshole, but even he got our family
into My uncle worked at that same plant. My cousin
works in ham tram at the same place he worked.
My mother worked in management. And I covered the industry

(52:02):
that used to be the American dream. Jesus, I mean,
I really astry could do that.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
I take your point that, like, I also love looking
at cars as a proxy for how the world is working.
And you know, it can be anything, right, Watching them
change size tells you a lot about the economy, whether
people want small cars, efficient cars, whether they want big cars, trucks.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Things like that that women that women buy SUVs and
men buy cars. Women don't buy that stuff well, or
what they're made of.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Right when you see, uh, you know for making aluminum
rail f one fifties, that that's like unheard of, that
that's crazy, right, except that it's not, because that's telling
you about what what resources are available, where the technology is,
you know, seeing what's in cars, what what's built into cars,
what becomes standard, what becomes required safety things.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
It is a perfect window into that world.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
It also is a thing where like I remember a
car turning one hundred was like a big deal, right
you rolled over eurodometer and I was sad when my
Pontiac I had to give it up at one hundred
and ninety seven thousand, like and that is that is
the thing, And I wanted to get that to two
fifty like that that was it was a matrix. So
it's got the Toyota engine. But like you know, it's

(53:22):
those kind of things where like and I am a
car guy. I love working on my my minivan. I'm
a dad, I have a minivan.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
So what my it's a rolling symbol of your virility.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
There you go, thank you.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
My nine year old changes the oil in it, she
changes the brake pads on it. She can change you know, tires,
she can do all. She changed the air filter in
it not too long ago. So like it's not a
car is a thing, but it's also like a like
you mentioned, it's a connection, you know, and it brings
your neighbors out there working on his car.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
What do you do? Wander over? Hey, what you doing?

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Need help? Maybe you're obvious to drink beer and tell
him what he's doing wrong? That is, that is part
of how you work on a car.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Is not always fixing Who is fixing the car now though?

Speaker 3 (54:07):
I mean, I mean, I think, yeah, it's who's fixing
these cars right now in my neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
It's not weird to see the guys working on their cars.
My neighbor across the street, he does all of his
own work on his his he's got a Volvo and
a and a uh Toyota suv. But he's a dude
from Ethiopia, so like he probably you know, it just
works on his car for but like the guy on.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
The corner, he works.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
He's also from Ethio. Never mind, maybe it's just like
a thing around here. But let me get on to Yeah,
we don't have time for that.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Can sneak? I want to sneak in a question?

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Sneaking a question because then I have several.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
More I know, and maybe this will blending the where
you'll probably go after this. But I wanted to ask
about his article. I think you wrote back in the
summer and it was like black men are vanishing, I
think from HBCUs and like here's why. And I found
that because that article brought up My father had me
when he was really late in life. He had me
only sixty two, and he railed about integration like he
would all and like I used to wonder sometimes he

(55:12):
just not to say that he didn't believe in it,
but he just thought that there were drastic drawbacks from
like that decision. And I think your article summed up
what he would always be kind of I would frustrate
him a lot about it. And I guess could you
talk a little bit of like the why behind what
you found in that article about why we don't have

(55:32):
black men in HBCUs.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Well, I mean just like the quickly tear off some
of the things is one after Brown versus Board Education.
So this is a good plug for my book where
there's a chapter in my book. I'm writing a book
called Blaconomics where I take ten stories that I would
like for people to understand before they think about the economy. Right,

(55:55):
so when I tell you that Brown versus Board of
Education happens, and then one hundred hundred thousand black teachers
to get disappeared, and then and then you move the
largest group of people from one place to another, moving
them out of their communities and whatnot, you destroy this

(56:20):
black teacher ethos, you get rid of and on almost
all of those like in that one hundred thousand teachers
was essentially the black man. So nineteen thirty you would
have a like the teacher was somebody who made money.

(56:40):
Nineteen seventy five because of economics, because what school district
can you make what a teacher makes and provide for
a family. So that we've hollowed out school teachers who
are in primary school. Black men are not in primary school.
It's more like they're more black men. What's the I

(57:03):
won't give that stat but there's they're literally you can
count them, the number of black men who are in
primary education when we know that that's the most important
time for black boys, right, all right, we have we've
created a system. You know, I have a buddy, one
of my best friends is that they call him the
teacher whisperer. He's got a PhD. If you're a non

(57:26):
Nigerian American black man, you're not getting a PhD. Right,
And what has happened is I think that the most
important thing and I've just learned a new phrase the
last couple of days is homo teps like thank you.
I was like, I'm glad you learned that.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
We instantly picked up on that. But oh my god,
that's that's that's an excellent word.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Oh my god. Okay, because I know a lot of
I know a lot of gay people who arelive you
know anyway. So but I'm a little bit because I'm like,
the one pasca that I have for black boys is
I had I mean, I can get choked up. I
had one black teacher.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
Is this well this no, this is in I mean,
is this miss Selman Newton or is this uh talk
to you in college?

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Oh? No, Selma Newton was like Missus Newton. She's the librarian,
She's the library. She's the one who introduced me to
La Giselle made me write a letter. She's everything, everything
too right. I never had one black male teacher, Ah,
I got you okay in a classroom until I was
a senior in high school, college college, college, college. And

(58:40):
then the most important teacher to me in high school
was Arthur Ellaford. And this dude was a biology teacher.
Never had him in class, and my mom went up
to him in the the parent teacher conference like, mister Bellaford,
mister Bellaford, you know, like you know, well, how was
he doing it? I'm embarrassed, as like, I don't even
have him in class. And I will never forget. This

(59:02):
is the part that gets being like choked up. He goes,
Missus Linton, I will, I will look out for him,
and he did. And I was a queer boy who
wasn't He was a captain, he was a coach of
the basketball team. And the damn basketball players were my bullies,

(59:24):
but mister rellaf was my I mean, I can't even,
I can't even. I would just burst into tears that
dude was everything, and I only had one and as
all my teachers, as all my friends say. One of
my best friends who passed away, his name was Malik Murray.
He was he He ran more money than any black man.

(59:46):
He worked for Aerial Capital Management, which is where Melody Hobson,
who also went to my high school but is older
than me. She's married to George Lucas, is where you
all might know him. Like that was Malik, Like those
were the people around me, and like people like the weak,
like because of mister Ella, for like got to those heights.

(01:00:09):
And so I think that the panacea, if there were
a panacea, there are a couple of them, I think,
you know, and cover and reporting. One of the panaceas
is black men in grade schools. If we just made
grade school a comfortable place for black men to be,
you would see the scores and almost every reporting says it,

(01:00:30):
you have a black male teacher, and you're everybody is
like twenty percent more likely to graduate from school, no
matter who you are. If you're black, boy is something
like eighty percent more likely to graduate. You change everything.
It's like, oh, I didn't know when I see somebody
look like me, I'm like, oh you you you ain't

(01:00:51):
you ain't shit, you you ain't nobody like I could
do what you do. But when it's somebody else's is distant.
And the love and the softness of a black man,
which I don't think people think of. People think you
gotta like be harsh with black boys. No black man
is harsh with the black boys. Like this is a boy.
He needs a hug, right, Like he needs all of

(01:01:12):
those things. He needs love, he needs kindness, he needs tenderness.
He's not bad, he's just you know, like and that
is what But that's I mean, that's teeing up. What
my book is about is there are these things in
the society that we just don't even pay attention to
because no one said it. Why are they not? Like

(01:01:32):
why do you think black boys aren't as good as school?
When the last time you saw a black teacher male?
When you tell me when you find when we have
a plurality of kindergarten black teachers. Because again, before fourth
grade is when black boys turn off, right by the
time they get their high school. And it's about paying
all those things. So like that's to me, that's the

(01:01:56):
that's the value of reporting. People like me are disappeared
from reporting. If you're a comedian or football player, you
can talk about, you know, like someone do you have
to hear from Stephen Smith or w Kamal Bell who
I love, or you know Shannon Sharp or right, these
people get the Charlemagne the gut. They like what did

(01:02:17):
they study? What did they report?

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
And they're not journalists either, Like I mean, let me
say that Stephen A was a journal mean I say
it for Stephen he doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
He does not do journalism anymore. It's impletly different.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Now it might be now yeah, I mean, his his
CNN show I think would definitely classify as journalism.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
But yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
A crazy quote. There's a crazy quote you have in
that that I thought was just in that article. As
I wrote it down, it was like, uh, there's a
line of people like to say about black boys.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Not everyone is meant for college.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
That is a phrase you do not hear in a
black from a black immigrant parent, and having two black
immigrant parents, I never like I dropped out of college too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
But but it was never like, oh, it's not meant
for anybody. No, it's like, no, you better go, you
better go attempt it. I remember my dad is like,
I remember someone said one of my friends said that
they weren't good at math, and my dad looked, like
my Nigerian father book, like what it's like, who is
there's no good or bad at math? Just doing it?

(01:03:19):
Do it, do it?

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
And like they're already there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
You just gotta do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Do it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
No good bad.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
It's an answer. It's great, it's an answer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Thank God.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
You know your your newsletter is called Vanilla is Black.
So I am curious, like how did this? I don't
know if you're you're the expert to ask, but I'm
going to ask you anyway, how did this this? If
you look at a vanilla bean and you know you're
fermenting it and you're gonna, you know, get the flavor
out of it's very black. It's a very very dark thing.

(01:03:55):
How did that get to be like associated with like
bland whiteness? Like that doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
I it's one of my I have no idea. But
one of the things is that vanilla became because it's
so delicious, it's so good. One of the things that's
interesting about it is that during slave times and then
Jim Crow Black folks weren't allowed to have vanilla. It
was a premium thing, you know, like vanilla is premium,

(01:04:22):
which is why black women created butterbecan ice cream. That's
like a real thing that actually happened to have vanilla,
and I don't know how it happened. But the sport
that I love the most that I was detached, that
I've been detached from for many years is boxing. I

(01:04:44):
grew up in Chicago. Muhammad Ali briefly lived in Chicago.
I grew up around I was born at eleven eighteen
East fifty fourth Street, so Mosque Number two was right
next door to where I was born. I've seen every
single Muhammad Ali fight. I love him in a way
that is like ridiculous. I demanded to cover his funeral

(01:05:06):
at NPR and it was most by far, the most
spiritual moment of my adult life. That's not even a like,
not an exaggeration. And one of my favorite quotes for
Muhammad Ali is white folks will have you all so
mixed up that they'll have you thinking that vanilla is white.
And it just blew my mind. I mean, like you

(01:05:29):
think about it, it's like that is to me that
sums everythink up. You think, we think that vanilla is
planned and white and whatever it is. But when you
think about a vanilla bean is nothing blacker and even
everything about exactly and you know everything it is the black,

(01:05:50):
blackest thing. It is so foundationally, it's so fundamental to
flavor and taste and when you just look at it
and think about that was the idea of the substab
was that idea is that, like, I want you to
realize that they have us mess so messed up that
we have us thinking the vanilla beans are black.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
They're out here running this commercial with the people holding
Vanilla soft serve ice cream cones like it's their phone.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
I don't know if you've seen this, Yes, I've seen this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Where and the point they're making and then the other
person pulls out their phone and they talk to it
or whatever, and they they're showing that it's not vanilla,
it's not bland, it's not the same as everything else.
And my kids they they saw this and they're like,
we don't get what's happening here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Why is this thing?

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Why are people holding their the vanilla ice cream? And
I was like, oh, well, because they're making the point
that everything else is the same and bland. And you know,
people say, oh, it's so vanilla, it's like it's not
even interesting. That's an incredible thing that that, I mean,
it's not Muhammad Ali wasn't just right about that. I mean,

(01:07:00):
write about a million things, but like that this is
even still happening in a really like somebody invested millions
and millions of dollars into that ad campaign.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
You're to convince us of this thing that is so ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
What I want you to do is over the holiday season,
I want you to make a dessert that uses fresh
vanilla and tell me this shit is bland. No, it's
just right right, it's just like, get get a fourteen,
fourteen dollars what I'm gonna talk about an eighteen dollars
vanilla bean? Right right? And then oh, you know what,

(01:07:36):
it's goods make make ice cream. That's really what I made,
vanilla ice cream. And you just you can't, like the
Lord gave me this thing, that's how good it was.
It got so good that we overdid it and we
we we took all of the meaning out of it,
we took all of the difficulty out of it. We

(01:07:57):
you know, and that that is what really, it's what
so much culture is. And just like what like, look up,
look at the culture, go back to the route, have
some ice cream that was made. Have any dessert, any
dessert that was not even an extract where you have
to pill out the beans and slice them and pull
them in scrap, right, you will be just the vanilla

(01:08:19):
ice cream. You won't like I always joke with people
like ice and cream and vanilla is enough to me.
I don't need. I had an X or you need
to like chunk, you know, marble chunky, you know, I
just need. And he was like what And I made
him vanilla ice cream, right, and it was like with

(01:08:40):
the beans and I scraped the bean out, and but
that is what we need to do, just like really
to make it. You know, think about the world is
that we look at everything surface and when like that
to me is like the awakening when I realized vanilla
is not white. Right then it makes me question other
things that the vey of very basic things. And then

(01:09:03):
you go you look at food, and you look at education,
and you look at government, like any of the things
and it's there is a story just as ridiculous as vanilla.
I mean, I wish I would have done the Vanilla story,
like written about vanilla for my book, but I you know,

(01:09:23):
I read about the car industry. I wrote, you know,
like and that's that. And so after having written this book,
which is you know, going to come out in September
next year, after but it was after all of these
things like oh like education, healthcare, like these huge things

(01:09:43):
that we never think about, just like and I'm not
talking in my book, and none of my work is
some deep, deep deep thing. It's just like, hey, the
unemployment rate. We didn't get the unemployment report this year
this month.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Yeah, you've heard us talking about that. That makes us
very sad.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
We need the data, man, we need the data. But
I'm gonna tell you here's my favorite piece of data
about the unemployment report. One people never know, like in
a basic newsroom, the black unemployment rate is always always
what the original one is. But I'll never forget what Kenny,

(01:10:24):
who was a film who was a cameraman from the
ABC station in Chicago said to me when I was learning.
You know, I did learn a lot from Ira Glass. Actually,
you know, like I am. I'm a product of Ira Glass, right,
but I'm also a product of the black cameramen who
were in the union in Chicago. I would go to

(01:10:45):
these There was a dude, Kenny, who I loved. Kenny
wore the like sid Drome eight button suits. Sidrome is
a Stora Chicago. He's he's clean. He would carry everybody
else would carry their equipment. He had his on that
he would wear a suit, three pece suit and a handtruck.

(01:11:05):
Smart ta take his camera on the ham truck when
they took him. When Obama became president, they had him
through the camera at the back and Barack Obama, the
President of the United States, had to acknowledge, Hey, could
he best stressed plan in America? Right right there? Right?
And I remember standing next to Kenny. He goes at
my one of my first press conferences with Richard Daily

(01:11:27):
and I'm writing right writing everything. The guy he says,
He's like, why are you writing that? That ain't news.
I'll tell you when that's what I'll tell you when
there's news. He's like, oh see that, You see what
he just said, that's news. And I remember one of
those moments, he goes, why don't they keep He'd also
the ABC guy. He'd also give us a ride which

(01:11:47):
they weren't supposed to do. But he was a you know,
a good dude. We won't tell anybody. He goes. You know,
they keep talking about the unemployment, right, the uneployment rate,
the unemployment rate. You know what the undeployment rate was
in nineteen sixty and eighteen six zero?

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
And I have carried that with me. What are they
talking about the account? What? What does that data show you? Right?
Then tell you anything about it? Why would we talk
about the unemployment rate? What does it tell you about
how you feel about the next six months or whether
or not vanilla beans are eighteen dollars instead of thirteen?

(01:12:23):
Says nothing? Right? That that those are the things that
are going to affect my Thanksgiving and Christmas? Right does
my sister Black women invest as a chapter, It's like
when my sister's doing well, everybody's doing well, but she
has a daycare center, so you know, because the Trump
administration doesn't love daycare centers and money going to daycare centers, Christmas,

(01:12:46):
Thanksgiving might be a little lean. It might be imitation
vanilla this year, but I wouldn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
But from your unemployment, yeah, that's not obviously the only indicator, right,
and you know, let's plug the planet money bit here
too with the indicator. But like, uh, you know, on
this show anyway, because we want to grow up to
be kai Risdahl, we are always looking for various indicators

(01:13:15):
of things. And one of the big frustrations we had
during the Biden administration was the indicators were all there,
that the growth was there and that, but people weren't
feeling it, and we were were so frustrated by the
like lack of communication. And it's an impossible message to
communicate things are good but they're still room to go.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
You know, you can't it's not as bad as they
would be if yeah, yeah, you can't say a negative thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
And and people you can't tell people who don't feel
good that things are actually fine because all of this
data shows that it's fine. They're like I still can't
afford my food, you know, like that I'm not fine.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Well that's the thing about journalism though, I mean, I
was going to point out to you know, Marketplace has
zero black men in editorial, has never had a black
host male, right, so like so, but but what ends
up happening is that people in those organizations, like they

(01:14:18):
you know like one, we don't like to talk we
don't like to talk about money. Two journalists know fuck
all about money. I've worked at Planet Money, I worked
at the business that's gonn MPR. I had a career
in finance. I have never met never met even once

(01:14:39):
one reporter who ever even took an accounting class. That's real, right,
if you go nas plant money people and then this
is no shade on them. They're not They're not, that's
not who they are. And so when we think, like
what we know about the economy, god forbid, they we
talk about race and the economy. So why you guys

(01:15:00):
writing a book about that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
It's probably coming out in September, and maybe he'll come
back on the show to tell us you know all
about it when it comes out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Right, But that's the that's like sort of the problem,
that's that's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
The heart of that's why you had to write the book.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
We don't like to talk about money. We don't know
about it. But the average person doesn't know about I
remember having explained that people about derivatives, like what they
don't know? I mean derivatives are you know, instruments that
are not based on money. So that's you know, options
and all of this stuff and like you know, pork

(01:15:35):
bellies and whatnot, but we don't. But what we don't
do is we don't talk about the economy in journalism.
We don't have a real way to talk about it.
And we don't talk about race. But more importantly, we
don't talk about money in our families and our lives.
And I think that there is a place that we
especially now that the economy is kind of that we

(01:15:57):
should be talking about it and we should be talking
about and what I would love in a you know,
I had a meeting today about you know, doing this
with younger and younger people. The thing, you know, I
work with young people. I've worked with on people a
lot in my career. I'm on a board at Mechpa
Challenge where we teach people about civic education. And when

(01:16:17):
we ask our students, not not just Mechvah, but youth
radio and other places I work, one of the number
one place things that they want to know is they
want to know about money.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Yeahial literacy is just totally skipped as like a part
of our curriculum for anything. As a matter of fact,
you know, since you mentioned it, and we do want
to get you to play Florida or not.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
So I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
I don't want to take too much time on this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
But like the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
You know, uh here in Washington we have the Washington Post,
which is a bit of a shell of its former self.
But Singletary is she's always writing about God, yeah, I
love her like yeah, reader every time.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
But she's always all the colorlens, the color of money,
which is just a great it's just right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
But she's always she's always advocating for people to talk
to their family, talk to the people.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
You know. This is you can't have like you can't
you both can't have two ain't ship families. Now she
sold this to me. I went on tour. I went
on tour with Michelle Singletary and Louis Barajas, and I
love Michelle. Michelle is so funny. Oh my god. It

(01:17:32):
does not even come like she will cut your credit
card in front of your face, all those things like
you need to stay home. But when she said to me,
it's like my husband, his family's okay, but I have
an ain't ship family, so we have to have a
bigger house. You can't have two sex.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
I don't care about whether you're same sex, same whatever.
But you can't have two a ship families together and beautiful, right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Please anyone who, anyone who if you listen to this show,
you must read Michelle, and you must read and she's
one of the many Michelle. I mean, I feel like
there is an overabundance.

Speaker 7 (01:18:09):
Of Michelle's who who worked at the Washington Post, So
Norris and Michelle Martin and and yeah, yeah is huge.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Yeah, I mean they all, I mean they they all.
They all came about the same time. They're all the
same sort of like I said, Yeah, I used to
joke that there are two people who if if I
gotten if I got h if the Taliban captured me
and I had one phone call, I'm like, would it
be Nina Todenberger. Michelle Norris is one of those two people.

(01:18:42):
But like, but, but I love but that. But financial
literacy just go back to that idea. It's like, that's
what miss. What Michelle talks about in her column, which
I read religiously and I love. Our new podcast is
about the ways in which money really connects to us.
And I feel like Planet Money and the indicator, we

(01:19:05):
like to be smart and deal in the airy fairy theory.
But I know because I know how many. I know
how many the percentage of MPR employees who didn't contribute
to their for one k. I mean, you know their
retirement pro like and I know that you know reporters
don't understand it. But we need to talk about money

(01:19:28):
at the dinner table. We need to talk about our legacies.
We need to talk about what we're going to do
with our money when we die. Why are kids like, oh,
you know, son, the reason you can go to school
is because I'm paying this much. And I'm a real
proponent I should say of letting your kids see cash. Yeah, like,

(01:19:51):
because they it's finite. It's like they don't know what
to do it. And that's why I see my friends' kids.
They don't even know what to do, okays because everything
is a bit and a bit into this and they
think put it on the credit card.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
No no, no, no, no no no, get that money.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
And Michelle there for me.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
If you want us to talk about money more, here's
what you can do to help get Michelle Singletary to
come on our show so we can talk to her,
and then we will talk to her about money, and
then more people will hear about money.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
So that's your your assignment.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
I'll email Michelle this evening beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Okay, Now we want to do the thing that we
actually wanted you here for, which is to play Florida
or not.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
We haven't played this in forever. I have not read
this good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
So you can't play along or you can't play along.
So the way this works scenario is we're going to
read you a news story with the locational details removed,
and you have to tell us whether this happened in
Florida or not in Florida.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
So it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Oh yeah, okay, it's not a hard time. My mom
is from Miami. I spent every summer from nineteen eighty
one to nineteen eighty nine in Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
We've had a lot of people with Florida connections say that,
oh well, then therefore this will be easy, and they
don't don't get it. So just to let you know, okay,
you ready. A twenty one year old woman was charged
last week after she was clocked doing one hundred and
seven miles an hour in a fifty five zone. According

(01:21:23):
to the Sheriff's office, Yasmina Razzo, twenty one, was driving
last Thursday. It's a great photo. At around eleven fifty
two pm. That time is important. She was spotted by
an officer on a routine patrol who estimated that she
was going over one hundred. The officer pulled over, here

(01:21:44):
you go, car guy, you're ready a key of forte
after his radar measured the speed of the car at
one hundred and seven.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Miles an hour. Old, did you know you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
Were there?

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
What good? Do they even have one hundred dial on
the Q I looked up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
There is a two point four leader version of the
key of forte, so it's maybe possible.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Okay, Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
The speed limit on most of that highway is fifty five.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Of course.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
She was placed under arrest for dangerousuccessive speeding without incident safely,
I guess, so maybe she's a great driver. Eraza was
charged with a misdemeanor booked in the county jail. She
has since been released on bond. As to why she
was driving so fast, she admitted that there was no
emergency or other justification for speed, except that she was

(01:22:37):
trying to get to Little Caesar's before it closed at midnight.
Did this happen in Florida or not in Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
If this was a dude, I would be like Florida
my own. But I want, I mean, like it feels
so Opa Laca.

Speaker 8 (01:23:02):
Maybe yes, but I want to say, I see like
this is like this too. It's too like the looks,
it's too teed up. I'm just gonna if it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Was a dude, I was, but she could be in
Los Angeles and I'm gonna say, nah, I'm going with
this is Florida. I am going with this is Florida
for whatever reason.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
Florida though, and I know that they have that law now,
isn't this is this is that law you can't go
speeding up and down there, which I don't know if
anybody's following.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
I know when I drive in Florida, I think you
can't use your blinkers. You're a mark.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
If you're in South Florida driving and you put on
your indicators, you're a mark and they're gonna cut your
ass off.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Don't use your turn signals Florida. All right, so you're
ready for the answer. It is Penela's County, Florida, Palm Harbor.
No lest uh so, yeah, that was Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Hold on, what's the new York City to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Well County I think is near Tampa, isn't it right
because it's the other side, because uh Tampa is uh
western Florida. Yeah, what's it starts within h whatever county?
I don't know, but there's two counties right around the
Tampa side. But that's yeah, it's Panella's County. That's that's

(01:24:22):
where it is. Uh Palm Harbor wherever the hell that
is us comes to us from w f l A.
So you know, it's it's about as hard as you
can get. But man, little Caesars Kia Forte hitting the
Hondo is crazy. I literally had to look this up
because I you know, I believe that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Just be clear, Kiya is now hardcore, like Kia is
a new Honda.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
I drive two of them. We have a Sedona and
it tell you ride yeah. But the former like the Forte,
so I think they still made Fortes up until twenty
twenty four. And I, like I said, I looked it up.
There was a two point four leader version. I'm not
quite sure where that was sold. They only weigh like

(01:25:08):
two pounds, so, but it's all like she was going downhill.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Its Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
There's no hills so hey, I've had Little Caesars. It's
it's honestly, it's not one hundred and seven miles an
hour good to me.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
But maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
The reasons, you know, depends on your options of what
you have.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
It's it's Panella's County, Florida, so there's your options.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
There's no there's no as a Chicagoan, No, god, yeah,
there well one. I don't even eat pizza twelve miles
outside of my city unless it's Detroit.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
I was gonna say Detroit Little Caesar from Detroit, though.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Yeah, no, not not so Randomly, this is a hat
tip to anybody who's in Chicago who goes to Chicago,
and this is from a Chicagoan. I might get in
trouble for this, but the best pizza in Chicago is
Detroit style pizza. But it's better than the Quads Pea Quads.

(01:26:07):
You'll remember it because of Moby Dick. Yep, you go
there no matter who you are, and if I'm wrong
about it being absolutely delicious, I will pay for it.
Almost you out.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
We got your cover that one, yeah, yeah, right to
the show with you feel about put it on the
on the back of address in.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
The way my neighborhood. My neighborhood pub in l A.
They do one of those things where you roll a
dice and you get the shot, like you know, it's
like a pickleback or blah blah blah. That one of
them is milort.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Chicago.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Baby.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
I was like, why do you even have this nonsense
in here? It's it's like deep dish pizza. It's like,
I don't know anybody what grade school is ordered deep dish,
but y'all think is like, it's all like, who is
Rick of this millort.

Speaker 6 (01:27:01):
A Lord.

Speaker 4 (01:27:02):
One of my boys was on his birthday was tricking
folks and he didn't know and he was like yeah,
he said, was like, what are we drinking? He was
pouring enough for people and he was like, it's an
American repisado and people were taking and I was sitting
watching him pour it up for folks. He works in
the industry, and I was just waiting to see their reaction,

(01:27:22):
Like I was just like waiting you would see him
they would throw it back and give me mad and
everybody had the same fucking reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
I don't know how if you're ever done at the pug,
that's that's definitely one of the things that you can
you can stumble into is a is rolling the dice
and ended up with with the Mallard shot, so you know,
and then get a three dollars High Life and you'll
be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
All right, we are like style.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
They have PBRs there too, but they usually do like
the shot and the beer.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Yeah, I guess they know they do it with the
PBRs too, but they always used to do with the
High Life and a shot was like five bucks or whatever. Okay, scenario.
This has been amazing, an incredible interview. I don't know
why I thought it would be anything less. Of course
it was going to be fantastic. But where can everybody
follow you? Where can they get all your stuff if
they want to, you know, get your book that's coming

(01:28:10):
out and all of those kind of things.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
How can they they stay in time? I'm on Vanilla
is Black dot substack dot com is where I write
about UH write about all of these issues that are
in the today. I'm also doing a what do they
call those GoFundMe because I want to do a podcast
version of my UH substack where I have where I

(01:28:35):
talk to literally the first guest that I want to
have on my show is Michelle Singletary. It's like she's
my favorite her. And b Arthur, not the b Arthur
you're thinking of, but a therapist named be Arthur.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
You're gonna have to come to d C to to
do that, right to interviewer, So I we can do it.
We can do it right here at Beltway Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
So I want to I do want to do so.
The two the two plugs are things that I find
that I think are very important. Vanilla is black which
is my substack with along which you can find out
anything about me. So Vanilla is black dot substack dot com.
But the other is Mikvah Challenge, which is we have
over a million students across the country. One of our

(01:29:20):
big centers, amongst most important places, and now that I
know you guys are there is in Washington, d C.
Where we're in Washington, d C. Schools where are young
people democracy in the classroom. They we have uh what
they called the soapbox where we teach young people how

(01:29:40):
to advocate for themselves. There's nothing you have to see it.
You have to see young people engage. Young people are
willing to pay for their news. They're more engaged than
we were when we were kids, and they are hungry,
hungry to get involved. And so Mikvah challenge m I
k v a challenge dot org. It is, like I said,

(01:30:03):
We're in DC, Chicago, New York, California, over a million
students and it's to me is that we joke about
it as the hill that I would die on, which
is teaching young people about the world they live in
and offering them an opportunity to participate. And so those
are the two things that are my passions. And I

(01:30:25):
think if you guys look up Nikpa challenge, you'll love
it too. And as a matter of fact, I think
I should try to book my CEO on your show.
She would be a great person to talk politics. We
would love please website.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
I'm just gonna let you know, I've been around a
few mifahs in my life, and you know, as long
as I don't have to get wet, I'm I'm ready to.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Join Mikvah, which is a spiritual bath in Judaism. But
it was also named after Admir Mikvah, who was a
congressman and a judge, and he also hired Barack Obama
and when we when he was asked when his students like, Oh,
we're going to create a scholarship in your name, he
was like, scholarship by the time he gets to college

(01:31:06):
way past. With these kids, we got to have a
way for them to get involved when they're in fourteen
and fifteen. And that is where mick a challenge comes from.
And I really, like I said, it is one of
the few things that I would die for.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Well, we love that idea, So yes, absolutely, let's talk
to you know whoever you recommend, we will definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
I mean, come on your scenario, Glinton, whoever.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
We need these kids to be successful. God need it
like we need it. It's not we don't have a choice.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Who's going to care for us when we get even older.
But this is a great thing. Is like when you
have a Micva school where you do you teach one
kid and they're going to bring in their homies. You
keep one kid about democracy or about how to find
real like what's really going on, and you have their
whole class. Yes, most I've ever seen. And we have

(01:31:58):
an annual event that comes in DC and we have
these soapbox events and I definitely definitely want you guys
to talk to our students or our CEO. We will
be there.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
We want to be part of that that sounds right
up our alley.

Speaker 6 (01:32:13):
It's going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Yeah, it's everything that we believe in. So yeah, we
we'll die on that hill too. Well, we'll be right
there with you, dead and bleeding. Okay, So go check
out the MiG of a challenge. Go check out Snara
Glinton's fabulous substack about how vanilla is actually black, which
is not about ice cream, it's about all kinds of
other things.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
It's very important.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
You should go read all of the stuff and and
your movie that you're in.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
If we want to go see your movie.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Oh, it's a soul on fire, Elie Wizzel, The Life
of Lazelle. It's just premiered, premiering in Florida, of all places.
It's in theaters in New York and is in Florida.
It should be on PBS stations coming this fall.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Nope, that's amazing. If there is still PBS this fall, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Will be We'll make sure of it. God damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Go buy some toke bags, all right. Uh, we're gonna
take a break now. Scenario you are very very invited
to stick around for the rest.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
Of the stick around. Can I can I go to
the Can I take a water break? You can take
your water break.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
We're gonna play a song actually from from one of
our local friends here, something that he created. Uh, while
we do our water breaks, and then we'll be back
with the second half of the show, and then maybe
the third half of the show, depending on how much
time Brian wants to stay up for and uh, you
know we'll do all of that, all right, So we're
gonna take a break. We'll be right back with Sinnari
Gant And you're listening to tip Chat on Beltway Radio
and beyond sweeps.

Speaker 9 (01:33:42):
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what's going on.

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Speaker 10 (01:34:00):
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Speaker 11 (01:34:23):
If you ain't got that, I feel sorry for you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
And y'all ain't bivers at.

Speaker 11 (01:34:26):
I'm not following you. So you should try that on
the College.

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Speaker 9 (01:34:38):
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If it's so Brady, I don't say it. This ship
is so jaded. Michael pot checking in. I'm post stated,
go your only way. I'm in a different location, Consola,
don't play. I'm on a simmer Saut take. That's the
drummer drum. I become a drum.

Speaker 11 (01:34:56):
I'm a one of nothing.

Speaker 10 (01:34:57):
If you are want to June say, going to beat
the kidder and the priest and I be unleashed the mode.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
It's on beaches.

Speaker 11 (01:35:24):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so I'm gonna see me. I'm
something like an apostle.

Speaker 9 (01:35:30):
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Speaker 11 (01:35:34):
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like this, I.

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Speaker 11 (01:35:40):
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Speaker 5 (01:35:41):
A matter of people you can't reach with preparation.

Speaker 6 (01:35:44):
I only speak.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Really, you ain't understanding the kid and sending the book.
I get the book at fine time.

Speaker 11 (01:35:49):
My apron launch ship.

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I know what a pen is a crime.

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With every line I broke, I'm ahead of my time.

Speaker 11 (01:35:55):
Betting against me, you're gonna lose every time. The difference
between me and it was a really live what I want.

Speaker 9 (01:36:01):
I put repers in a place like real estate y'all nigga's.

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Two face real faith.

Speaker 6 (01:36:07):
Tom, I'm the Hannimal with y'all a little real stake.

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Me your Indian See.

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me man, he's long over too shit due.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
We used to know.

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Man.

Speaker 6 (01:36:34):
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to spabrow. That's fine to have to get body two by,
except for dak.

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Why you do that?

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and done it. Paint that price for my jacket your
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got your ashes on my deck and sipping at Foste.
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split the soft Solomon. She coming by to be fraid.

(01:37:03):
I'm all of that five hundred dollars bottles of Armagnac.
Call you kanyak niggas like, what the fuck is armyman?

Speaker 11 (01:37:10):
Fans and home?

Speaker 6 (01:37:10):
You got a puff them with that I'm the ten
command mister, the manual plus the Almonac, the one that rama.

Speaker 11 (01:37:16):
Christ y'all forget Alzheimer's.

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makes just two boys now they y'all peace, bring the
doves like show boy.

Speaker 11 (01:37:29):
I know what is a plug? One pluck two? All
the two boys?

Speaker 6 (01:37:32):
That's going up?

Speaker 11 (01:37:33):
I gotta chip from my shoulder money en wrap in DC.

Speaker 6 (01:37:35):
Before the first motor roll up out of town, they
was boy and if they didn't get it yet, but
I'm a prophet, everyone happens a bigger threat.

Speaker 11 (01:37:44):
Chris man Man has levels to this. Sont I try
and to.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
All right, welcome back to Chip yet here on but
wait radio and beyond, I'm your's chip with me is Tez.
That was a very abrupt end. But that uh yeah,
that's ad s T's new track Animal. Uh probably heard
priest on there, so you know, a bunch of friends.

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
And and still with us is scenario Glinton, who is
very cool and decided to hang out with us, which
is surprising to.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
All of us.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
To everyone here, it's gonna be great. It's not that late, right.

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
That he's gonna he's gonna how abruptly the song just
shut off. That's it's gonna shut off eventually. It's just
gonna go black, fade the black eventually.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
So now we've come to the part of the show,
which is where we do the headlines.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
Uh, these are the headlines that have come to us
from the news.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
And gess what I found it where my badass kids
were playing with it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
I don't know what the hell they no.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
I figured out what they were doing. They had a
buzzer too. They were doing like a game show thing,
So like.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
Ok there, it can't be here. Yeah, they're creative for them,
actually more the proper use than what we use it for.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
It's sort of the same idea. You get it right,
you get the bell, We're never wrong. Okay, So do
you want to go first or south?

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
I go first? All right.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
The government shut down ended this week as eight Democrats
found a way to somehow be worse at negotiating than
Chuck Schumer.

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
Jesus Christ the vote.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
The vote was sixty forty after eight Dems finished the
marathon negotiation with Lucy and the football.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Yes all right.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Following the Senate vote, the House called back into session,
but Mike Johnson still refused to swear to Natalie to
Grijalva on the basis that she sounds Mexican.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
Senator Timmy Kane was the only member of the local
delegation of vote to end the shutdown, meaning that for once,
Chris van Holland looks like the smart one.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
Hova would be she actually this already happened. Would be
the critical vote to force the House to vote yes
or no to release the Epstein files. The question is
now how far will House Republicans go to cozy up
to the ever crucial pedophile constituency Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
Christ just keep saying, should sometimes read ahead of the show.

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
Several in the House also voted to reopen the government,
proving that Democrats will never stand firm when they are winning,
but will stand firm on the need.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
To wear shiki's in the Capitol rotunda. That's the one
I wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
I don't know how proud I am in that one,
but that's that's an incredible sentence. It did happen, It
did happen.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
Mel too.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
I think, yeah, they did the whole thing scenario. Do
you want to take one?

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
Okay? Do I just pick one? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
Trump has moved the USS gerald Ford.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
Okay. Trump has moved the USS gerald Ford into the Caribbean.
In what looks to looks to be an attack on Venezuela.
The carrier uses all new magnetic catapults to launch planes.
So I'll let Trump explain why it won't work.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
Let's see if Brian's got the video ready. Not a chance, Nope,
move right. It's Trump talking about how magnets don't work
when they get wet, which I.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
Okay, I guess it's you to me.

Speaker 4 (01:41:48):
As the looming war in the Caribbean scares normal countries,
some of them have begun reacting. Britain and Canada both
how are refusing to share intelligence with the United States,
and Frances continuing to refuse to get a job or
take a shower.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
Come on, yeah, nice man, I don't got a problem
with the French.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
Oh, come on, it's you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
It's hey, I write it. You could write the show.
American Catholic bishops met to issue two important statements this week.
One was that they would seek to support and aid
migrants in these troubled times. And the second was they
would like JD. Van Suex communicate himself. All right, go ahead, Sonar,

(01:42:31):
are you all one?

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
Speaking of vance? A tweet he posted in December of
twenty twenty one reads what possible interest would the US
government have in keeping Epstein's client secret? And just this
week the House Oversight Committee answered that in a way,
he likely didn't mean.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
That's right, cy Young awards were announced, so if you
want to win one, make sure your last name starts
with the letters.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
S and K.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
Skeins.

Speaker 12 (01:42:58):
And just in case anybody's all right, Trump attended the
Washington Comedy's Game, making him the least popular thing there
since Jaydon Daniels dislocated out.

Speaker 9 (01:43:12):
Team Man.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
I can't believe anyways, I'm not talking about that ship
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
I'm not proud of that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:18):
If anybody wants to listen to something, go listen to.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
Who is It? Is it?

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
Mike Russo is going he's going off about this. I
think if anybody wants to hear a funny rant about
the government shut down and him being very upset that
the President was talking Saints football with Vilma, that ship
was painful. I'm sorry, continue.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
Being a painful there's a bounty on that episode.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
All right, get.

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
Let's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Trump was loudly booed at the game, which was impressive
since by the time he showed up, the Commanders were
losing badly and half the.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
Fans had already left. All right, you want to try
another one.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
Trump has been asking that the new stadium be named
after him, but if the district was going to name
the stadium after a putrid example of human failure into
praved behavior, they would just keep calling it RK. That's one.

Speaker 3 (01:44:22):
That's one.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
Oh my god, Oh my god, that's a good one.
I got. I got a doctor friend who like runs
a statewide medical system, and he was just like talking
about how imagine like literally this is his worst nightmare.
But this is who is going off cutting. This is
my friend who was cutting people's ties in two thousand

(01:44:46):
and five. And then RFK is like every day he's like,
every day I want to jump off a building. Please
don't don't do that. Not take vaccines. Yeah, I hear, I.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
Remac cures building falls.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
So you know, just try that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
I guess all right, who wants the last one? I'll
tell you guess I'll take the last one, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:45:12):
And finally, the Blue Origin Space Mission New Glenn, which
would have delivered NASA.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
Probs to Mars orbit.

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
It was grounded by bad space weather, which is the
same thing Jeff Bezos cited when he couldn't get his
rocket to work.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
Eat. Oh god, I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
All right, those are the headlines.

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
We're very proud of that. Oh god.

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
Alright, let's go right to the rundown.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
This is uh, this is the part of the show
where I tell you about some stuff that don't on
in the news. If we were real news guys, it
would sound a little something like this.

Speaker 5 (01:45:54):
Panama won today, Thank you very much, Panama.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Way to focus, Brian, don't wait, Radio and beyond in Washington,
d C.

Speaker 13 (01:46:04):
I'm emmy nominated TV news man and just bonafide sexual
beast Jay Scott Smith. And this is the part of
the show where I tell some stuff about the world.
Maybe not me, but somebody else is gonna tell some
stuff about what's happening in the news. So, uh, what's
going on in the news, fellas?

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
Thanks ya? All right?

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
Of course, the big story is the the shutdown is
over now for us here in Washington.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
This means that people are possibly gonna get paid A
M don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
Uh, there was.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
Already a law, there's an act.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
Yes, there's already Anyways, I want to get to this
in a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
There was already a lawn that said they had to
get paid Jesus, but they felt the need to include
that in the other bit of reopening the government, probably
because Trump said no, he wasn't gonna pay them, which
again not how was work?

Speaker 6 (01:46:52):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Uh and Trump signed it? What was it last night?
I think it got to him he signed it. A
bunch of voted for this in the House, and I
I was playing a game with a friend of mine
who's a Hill guy, and you know, we're trying to
figure out, like why right, And some of them you
can figure it out because of like their district that

(01:47:14):
they're in, or like you know, what's in it for
them maybe, or because it's a foregone conclusion it doesn't
really hurt them to vote for it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:21):
But you know, this was nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
This was nothing. This was forty three days.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Yeah of paying yeah, for no reason to achieve zero.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
And when the Democrats like it's shocking, I mean, it's
not bad, shocking, but it's shocking that, like they had
the messaging working, finally, they had the polling working finally,
they won big in elections across the country. In all
of this, the the you know off off here here

(01:47:55):
in Virginia, in New Jersey and in droves, and all
of polling showed that the shutdown was playing in.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Their favor and the healthcare issue was a salient issue.
Even Marge was out here.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Talking about, Hey, we need these subsidies because my kids
can't afford their healthcare. And then Timmy and the gang
were just like, yeah, that's enough. We want to promise
to vote on this in the second week of December.
Let's just say Thune keeps his word, which is unlikely

(01:48:30):
at the best.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
Let's say it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
Let's say it passes the Senate. Yeah, let's passes the Senate.
Baby fake babyface mc steel your government there. Mike Johnson
is like, I'm not raising no fucking vote on that.
And even if they tried to discharge petition it, Trump
will just fucking beto it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
I was gonna say, right exactly, So.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
There's nothing gained here. The only leverage the Dems had
was the shutdown. They exercised the leverage. They pulled that
lever hard, and they were gaining traction and they fucking
blew it. Fucking bok. They're like the Jets of politics.
I can't win.

Speaker 5 (01:49:09):
Uh yeah, they didn't win tonight either, Right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:12):
The Jets.

Speaker 3 (01:49:14):
With the Shumer and the Jets.

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
It fits. I don't I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
Well, go ahead, all.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
Right, I'm not I'm not an expert. I did cover
the Senate for MPR for a while, and it is
hard to imagine Nancy Pelosi, like a Nancy Pelosi in
the Senate, allowing this to happen. And I think that
that is like one of the things hold would hold

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them people.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
Together, sat down as a whip because he ain't whip ship.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
Well, one of the things that she should tell you
is that you should know how to count votes, right,
You should know where your party is at all times
and what they need. And I this is not me.
You know, I'm not a New Yorker. I know about Schumer,
but I do. But if he can't get Dick Durbin, well, one,
I don't think it was the affection because Dick Durbin

(01:50:08):
is the whip or I mean, well, now I'm not
sure about him being the whip anyway. Dick Durbin has
been in leadership for so long and is so important
and the idea that Chuck Schumer and the Dems couldn't
get one of the most important Democrats hold him in line,
says something about what's happening I have non I mean Durbin,
for instance, is you know he's retiring, is on his

(01:50:29):
way out the door, so you know you can look
at him as saying, I don't want to see the
government shut down. This is fundamentally against who I am.
But strategically and politically this is a big l for them,
mainly because just party solidarity is something you cannot imagine

(01:50:52):
a Nancy Pelosi type leader allowing this to happen. Heads
would be rolling never, I mean it would.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
The phone calls would be quick and easy. Ever want
to see another dollar fundraising again, you better get in line.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
And that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
I I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
I don't know what the strategy plays. It is notable
that every Democratic senator that voted for this is either
not up for reelection in twenty twenty six or retiring.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
It's damning to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
Damning to see that because it means they're they're fucking
cowards and like they don't you know, they're only in
it for their own political uh survival. I can't and
and and like Timmy bothers me the most here because
you know, he's he's my senator. I know him. He's
a harmonica player like me. You know, like there's a
lot of things that that that we have in common.

(01:51:39):
And it I don't understand why he did this after
after being such a fierce advocate for all the federal
workers for so long and for what we call the
Virginia Way, a very like pragmatic governance.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
That he had.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
This this this was teed up to be the perfect
vehicle for him to really eyes and and be like,
we're standing firm with our federal workers. The federal workers
wanted the shutdown to continue because they want the healthcare.
They think that's important. It pulled you know, every all
the Feds were saying the same thing, no, no, hold
the line, hold the line, hold the line, and he

(01:52:17):
blew it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
He blew it until what till January. We're gonna do
this shit all over again.

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):
If you wanted to do this right as the Democrats,
right at least and that's where you get to the
point where like obviously no one assumed doesn't have control
of them at all, is that you could have communicated
that this was going to be the end of it, right.
You could have walked people up to a line and said, hey,
we're going to continue to do this. And if it
got to that point where you said, hey, you know,

(01:52:43):
we are going to move to open the government, you
commute have people going out and communicating that, not the
fucking random alert that pops up and says, oh, we
think we got eight Like it was just it's on a.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Sunday night in the middle of football, Like, what what
is this? What is I have a ninety news jump
on steroids. Nobody's paying attention. You're negotiating this in the
middle of the night, over a weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
I mean, I don't know. Maybe I guess Thanksgiving what
was coming up and they wanted to go home.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
Well guess what it gets worse? Yeah, check this out.
The legislation that passed includes this extra nice little tidbit
that says that the Republicans who are suing the Justice
Department for damages for being investigated for January sixth, they

(01:53:34):
get half a million dollars each each.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
That's pretty good, right. The legislation retroactively makes it illegal
in most.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
Cases to obtain a senator's phone data without disclosure, and
allows those whose records were obtained by the Justice Department
with warrants to sue the Justice Department for half a
million dollars per violation. So if you've got three or
four phone numbers with a lot of senators do they're

(01:54:02):
getting a windfall. Along with attorney's fees and costs. The
Justice Department could off the set of the lawsuits.

Speaker 3 (01:54:08):
Well, who controls the Justice.

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
Department right in there? Yeah, we know what I think
he's gonna fight. No, Well, well, I think that the
bigger to me, the bigger story is the fissures in
the party. Right. So it's like you got the liberal
wing which was holding and the moderates where we call
the moderates who want to hold out, and like, I

(01:54:33):
think this is this says, I think is much about
why Biden, you know it was so late in stepping down.
Is that that core leadership in the party. You know,
Nancy Pelosi is stepping down, but it's really in like
without Nancy and these like huge leaders you know, you

(01:54:55):
got Jim Clyburn and those people who are I was
covering Congress years ago and they were old then, right,
this is about that core group of leadership, and I
think the Democrats have a much bigger problem. I mean,
the Republicans are off with your head, you know, and
everybody's off with your head.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
They're adult, so that's not really fair. But let me
ask you this, then, since since you brought up the
leadership question, you know, there was that time, right, so
so Cliburn, Pelosi, Conyer's you know, like there there there
was like leaders leaders and then now so there's this
a bit of a new batch. I would say, you've
got Rocanna, You've got giapol, You've got uh, Tammy Duckworth.

(01:55:39):
You know, like there's there's a few of these people
who feel like they might step into that kind of
like fierce leader position. Not that Tammy Duckworth's stepping into anything.
That's a poor choice of words, but uh, you know it,
it's just sorry, uh, but like there's you know, like,
is there some emerging next generation that will take the

(01:56:04):
place and be as effective as Polosi. I mean, Pelosi
is the only speaker in modern history to take the
house back that that's just never going to happen again.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
Right, I mean what is Rokanna? That is? Is uh
is jiapol that? I mean? What are we looking at?
I mean I think that there's it's like the people
who are going to be in the leadership are not
necessarily people I this is my opinion, are not on
the hustlings necessarily now because like you have to have
some like real real change and there's a lot of

(01:56:33):
blood to be let you know, I think one Kim
Jeffries is like a hand pick successor, yeah, and that's
not necessarily like he's not necessary of the people. And
I think that the Democratic Party has gotten a little
not democratic, and I think that that's kind of the thing,
Like it's about compromise and rough and tumble and like
that's really what it was is they need to come

(01:56:55):
to consistence. And I think that the people who we
think are who are leading on the outside really should
be the people who are waiting on the inside, right,
the people who have the voices, the aocs, the uh Texas,
I'm blanket on her name, the Crocket Crockett, Crockett, thank you. Yeah,
Like these are people who are able to do it

(01:57:18):
both ways, and I think they're doing such There was
such a no from Pelosi, right, we underestimate her power
in the party and in Congress, and she was like
no to the aocs and those people and that that's
like the rift. But really, when the money people go away,

(01:57:41):
like the Nancy Pelosis and whatnot. Like that's also what
I think people are really really afraid of. It's like, so,
what what are we going to do without the people
who raise the money? What are we going to do?

Speaker 4 (01:57:52):
I mean and will but will AOC be a person
who can raise the money.

Speaker 2 (01:57:56):
So AOT can raise money, Crockett can raise money. Press
can not raise money. Like she's not she's she's ideological, right,
she's she But like Duckworth is a bomb thrower, she's
great at that. You know, she on the Senate side
and and and making those fights. Conna is really good
at working the system. Swallowell's a bit effective at working system, uh,

(01:58:19):
you know, and using committee stuff. You've got Moskowitz, you know,
who's good at using the committees to generate attention, but
his attention the leadership, you know, I mean, what Pelosi
could do like to your to your point, she could
count votes, and she could whip votes, and she didn't
hand the.

Speaker 1 (01:58:37):
Votes to win. That's she's hard enough. But she was
so disciplined. I don't think that there's ever gonna like
It's like she's like the out what was Outsiders? What
was the Malcolm Gladwell book? Like, who's gonna be like?
I mean, she's a child of a mayor, yeah, mayor yeah,
to be the speaker to like, who wants to be

(01:59:00):
the speaker of a house? Nancy Pelosi wants to be
the speaker House. Never wanted to be president, wanted to
be a speaker House. And I think that one of
the things that's gonna happen is like, but people like
Tammy Duckworth, who is an acolyte of Ram Emmanuel when
of his time in a D Triple C. I she's
one of those people who I really do feel like
because of the thing, because of the people that she

(01:59:21):
needcapped on her way to power. She seems to have
an ability that isn't seen that I don't see like
often that's in behind the scenes. And that's the thing.
It's like, there's a good speech maker and then the
person who can whip the party and in the Senate.
It's like, just it is not about who these people are,

(01:59:44):
it's just he isn't doing the job. And then God forbid,
the house is so lackluster. I really do think that
one you're gonna have to get the Clyburns and all
the everybody over eighty. You know, it's gonna have to
step down. We'll still the thing, which is crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
It's crazy, right, And that's like, that's really where it is.

Speaker 1 (02:00:05):
But all the heat and all the energy is in
people who don't have seniority, and those are the people
who can get people outside excited. And they're also you know,
people like AOC though now is starting to raise money
and being able to have some long tail with some
of her colleagues, so you should see. I wonder what

(02:00:25):
this next twenty twenty six is going to be blood
letting everywhere in the Democratic Party at least.

Speaker 2 (02:00:32):
So let me ask you this, since we've got you
and you have a better read on this than maybe.
I don't think there's going to be an election in
twenty six. I think that Trump is going to stage
some sort of emergency and try to stop there from
being an election in twenty twenty six, Am I a
crazy person?

Speaker 1 (02:00:49):
Or is that a likely scenario? Is that for me?

Speaker 2 (02:00:53):
I mean, as already thinks I'm a crazy person, I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
I think I'm not the kid. I don't believe that's
gonna happen. But I mean, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go
to the thing my dad used to say. It's like
anybody can change for their life in eighteen months. Anything
can happen in eighteen months. Most of us is like,
unless you're unless you're incredibly ill or one hundred and two,

(02:01:19):
you're likely to live another eighteen months.

Speaker 11 (02:01:22):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:01:23):
I'm not. I haven't seen like maybe this is a
conspiracy that I'm the rabbit hole that I'm down. I
am not bought into that this president can last to
an election cycle. I would love for something, you know,
like I'm not wishing for anybody, but every piece of
every doctor that I talk to right at every like

(02:01:47):
I followed them on the accounts they're like this, this
dude is not healthy.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
He had an MRI exactly six weeks after he went
to Walter Read, which is exactly the interval by way
you get checked after a heart attack.

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
Just in case anybody's curious or a stroke, right, he.

Speaker 4 (02:02:05):
Physically is seeing him off ages, people, ages, everybody, and
he's gone.

Speaker 1 (02:02:11):
I mean they already have to put they have to
call it the white hot the oval office. Yeah, like
I have a sign so that he knows where to
go there. Right, So I don't think long term thoughts
about this, about any seventy eight year old who has
not been healthy. I don't think, like I said, normally,

(02:02:33):
actuarily speaking, most of us is going to live another
eighteen months unless we have some issues. And this is
I just like what we don't know about his health.
I mean, God knows what we don't know about this.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
I hear he's two twenty five to six four and
in the best health of any person who's ever lived.

Speaker 1 (02:02:52):
The man was sleep the other day for twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
Man, woman, person camera TV. He's fine, what he say
talking about he fell asleep while they were talking about
it twenty minutes.

Speaker 3 (02:03:09):
That's sad with me.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
It looks like you're in the middle of a NASCAR race,
you know, when you take that that nap around like
lap fifty to about lap two hundred, you.

Speaker 4 (02:03:18):
Know, it's like between the one o'clock games and the
four o'clock games.

Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
You know, you take a little but but but but
if that is the case with your question, was it,
will it be there is something? Maybe I'm you know,
who's going to be the last person to give up
on an idea. I don't want to be the last
person to give up on that an idea. However, it

(02:03:45):
not having an election.

Speaker 4 (02:03:48):
Feels like I just I mean, Kim, who can justify
that we had one in a pandemic, which had one
the pandemic had wanted to be still they had one
through a civil war.

Speaker 2 (02:04:03):
We had one during the civil war, but slightly different
but still like but okay, but like I'm saying, like
that would be the end of it, right if if
an election gets postponed or put off or or doesn't happen,
that would be the end of the reprobably.

Speaker 4 (02:04:19):
End it's not, but it's no, it's at the end. No,
we fight to go and to have elections. And will
there be intimidation in this elections and like maybe the
National Guards walking around He's gonna send watchers or whatever,
But like that's.

Speaker 1 (02:04:32):
Fine, do that. If you have to thorty to do that,
you can go and do that. But people will go out.

Speaker 2 (02:04:36):
And cast their bad two to one and go out
and cast their ballots.

Speaker 1 (02:04:40):
They're gonna do that. The American people will do that.

Speaker 3 (02:04:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:04:43):
But if he but if he.

Speaker 4 (02:04:46):
The election election, if you say the elections to run
by the states, though, like that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (02:04:51):
You can't, you can't. He doesn't care.

Speaker 2 (02:04:55):
About that ship. He's already out here trying to do
all these things. But the states will hold up, and
there's more elections. Election day isn't just for federal offices.

Speaker 3 (02:05:06):
Yea, national elections.

Speaker 1 (02:05:11):
So we gotta have we gotta go vote for something.
He's gonna go vote that.

Speaker 2 (02:05:15):
Virginia has an election every five minutes. I'm I'm very
aware of like how often we have these elections. I'm
just saying that the election for Congress. What we're talking
about is, you know, are there going to be election
consequences for the Republican behavior, whether it's the shutdown, whether
it's the tax cut.

Speaker 1 (02:05:36):
Most of there's no election, there's no punishment. Most of
the places. This is, this is I mean, I'm not
you know, John Lewis many arrests, his soul. I remember
going up and seeing seeing him talk to a group
of students and he said, you know, be angry, be
very angry, but I have hope. I the one thing

(02:05:59):
that I will not give up on is just the
very idea of an election. Like if Americans give up
on that, then one, if we give them by that,
then I'm out.

Speaker 2 (02:06:10):
Right wanted this to happen. I'm just fearful of it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:16):
But but but on the lead up to an autocracy
or any of those things, I mean, when we can
make comparisons, it comes. There are two things. A popular
pres a popular leader for whatever people want to say
about you know other you know, Hitler or whatever. At
least he was, I mean he was popular poll wise,
he wasn't like at least the German people supported him. Yeah,

(02:06:41):
and there was a good economy. Those are two things
that if you're in your march authoritarianism, you kind of
have to have. Now, when when the mel beans reached
twenty four dollars, right, it's just like when this Christmas?
What I tell you, it's this Christmas? Okay, when because

(02:07:05):
one you can only get two dolls?

Speaker 2 (02:07:06):
Now no wait, I thought we were getting five, not
thirty five.

Speaker 1 (02:07:11):
I'm not hearing you know. I live in Los Angeles,
and I'm not There are a couple of toy companies
that make big toys out here, and I got to
know some people out there, and it don't it ain't
looking good if for the biggest of the toy makers. Right. So,
now we're going to reach new spending highs, I think
because people are going to spend a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (02:07:32):
Also because of inflation exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:07:35):
But we're gonna we're gonna have a record setting Christmas
and Black Friday, potentially knock Wood whatever. But I don't
know if that's going to mean anything. And I think
people are going to see when it go out into
the stores prices for things that they used to pay for,
like shrimp, radioactive shrimp. Like people like this is like,

(02:07:56):
I mean there's some basic things. I mean, shrimp may
not be basic, but that's one of the things that's
going to go on now.

Speaker 2 (02:08:02):
I mean one of the things that I use as
a brometers, I tracked the price of bacon in my
local store, and I look at the price of bacon
as an indicator because it tells you a lot of things.
It is a little bit cyclical based on time of year,
but it also tells you a lot about how much
pork we're selling overseas, and if we're selling very little
pork overseas, it tanks. The price of bacon filed immediately

(02:08:24):
by this giant spike because now you've got no inventory,
and it's just it is. It is a way to
track it. And bacon prices have gone from the store
brand giant brand three ninety nine a pound to store
brand five ninety nine a pound in the course of
about eighteen months, and that's that is telling me something important.

Speaker 3 (02:08:47):
Bacon.

Speaker 2 (02:08:49):
Also pay pay a close attention to butter because unlike milk,
which has all that regulation on it on how it's
priced relative to the distance from Wisconsin, which is the
fucking weirdest pricing system I've ever heard of, butter isn't
governed that way.

Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
So if you watch the price of butter, that is
a great but in general because you can see, like
that's the price that is in your ice cream, and
butter is one of those weird things that you can
notice it and it does go up. It'll go up
because of a drought, it'll go up because of but
we normally because of just like the fluctuations, we don't

(02:09:27):
see these big spikes, but we're seeing the big spikes
because of terriffs and whatnot. I mean, people do not
understand the calamities. I mean, it's it's in vague things,
like I say, it's in toy cars, not necessarily because
the big cars can walk around. It's in dolls, it's
in all of those things. It's in wrapping paper, nuts. Yeah, nuts,

(02:09:52):
because you got to have your fruitcakes. And like the
people who are making the fruitcakes, the Collins Street Bakery
and Corsicana, Texas, like that is where you're gonna see.
That's where you see it. And like people you know,
buy twelve fruitcakes, right and like I don't know, and
like a fruitcake that's thirty eight dollars last year, that's
now forty four. It's percentage increase and and and you know.

Speaker 2 (02:10:18):
But at the same time, you know, big MAC index
is improving, you know, personal uh spending power is improving.

Speaker 3 (02:10:26):
But people aren't feeling that.

Speaker 2 (02:10:28):
But all that is to say that, like I'm not
saying that I want there to be the end of
the Republic.

Speaker 3 (02:10:34):
I want I want to have hope. I do have hope.

Speaker 2 (02:10:37):
I need tz as my moral compass here on a
lot of this stuff. Because he as an immigrant, he
can remind me how great this country is.

Speaker 1 (02:10:48):
Yeah, crazy, you can sign up to tell anybody I
didn't sign up for this ship to just not fight
for it. Fuck that. I'm all in.

Speaker 2 (02:10:58):
I'm ready to fight, but I am concerned about how
I have to fight. And if the one way is
to fight by coming on my stupid radio show and
you know, writing columns on substack or whatever, that's a
good fight.

Speaker 1 (02:11:12):
I'm ready to have that fight.

Speaker 2 (02:11:13):
If it's something a little more physical, I don't really
want to have that fight. That's not the fight I said.
I'm ready to do it, but that's not what I
signed up for, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (02:11:21):
So do we really? I mean, that's what I think of.
It's like, it's so much easier to show your distaste
now and to really affect the world. But at the
same time, you know, I don't want to be you know,
I have a professor, a friend whose grandfather was a
German Jewish nationalist. He got the word wrong, like he

(02:11:43):
got it at the wrong time. That's what I'm saying.
It's like, at what point do we go? And what
I think is really interesting and this is a sea change.
As someone who's connected to black folks in the diaspora.
America has lost its shine, and that is a sad thing.
I don't think people really under People in in the
middle of the country do not understand. I mean not
just in the middle country, everywhere. People don't really understand

(02:12:06):
that we were we've lost that. Oh obviously people don't
want to come here. Yeah, we're rent in rent in
Cambridge is showing you this, right, Like, yeah, rent is
getting cheaper in Boston and Cambridge. We are I mean
in Los Angeles, we think this is Hollywood that's in trouble. No,

(02:12:30):
the biggest employer in the city of Los Angeles is
USC and half. Like look at the number of labs
that are shut because of this attack. Like, really, we're
going to feel some pain. And that's the thing that's
like the hopeful part, because you can't like it's hard.
The long tail of this bad economy, from the academic

(02:12:54):
the fights on academia, automotive, all those things are gonna
have a long tail and we're gonna be dealing with
this for a long long time. Yeah, it's gonna take
forever to put it back together, but how we rebuild
it is going to be very important.

Speaker 2 (02:13:06):
That's going to be that involved in who's involved with yeah,
because and you can you can guess who's not going
to be involved all right. Speaking of which, so we
did mention that Rudy is celebrating an anniversary of sorts, right,
he's he's celebrating his.

Speaker 1 (02:13:25):
What what do you want to call it? Press conference?

Speaker 14 (02:13:28):
I guess such a fucking wild time event at the
lawn care company at four Seasons And so that was
five years ago.

Speaker 3 (02:13:40):
He was he was given a gift. What gift was
he given to pardon?

Speaker 4 (02:13:45):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:13:45):
He was?

Speaker 2 (02:13:46):
He got a pardon? Yes, him and and uh a
lot of his friends. And what did they get a
pardon for?

Speaker 4 (02:13:55):
I guess for anything around if they were supporting those
fake ballots, just anything around January sixth in general, for
trying to overturn the election.

Speaker 2 (02:14:06):
Yeah, basically they got a blanket pardon. And not just them, everybody,
everybody like who could have ever been involved. It's a
little like the Carter amnesty for you know, the Draft Dodgers,
where it was just this like.

Speaker 3 (02:14:23):
And anybody else.

Speaker 2 (02:14:25):
That's the way this is written. So Rudy and Mark Meadows,
Sydney Powell, a bunch of winners. They all now none
of them are facing federal charges, so this doesn't seem
to really like matter that much in the immediate But
I do think that this sends a signal, Okay, which

(02:14:48):
I've been saying before, is that the Trump signal is
go and do violence on my behalf and I will
pardon you. And I do think that that is part
of what is being sent here. I would consider trying
to subvert an election to be pretty un American and
borderline violence, and then you know, we'll skip ahead to it.

(02:15:11):
But I think that this kind of like dovetails with
the attacks on Venezuela or the impending attacks on Venezuela.
We have a situation in the Caribbean where the US
military is blowing boats out of the water with absolutely
no authorization to do so.

Speaker 1 (02:15:30):
This is madness.

Speaker 2 (02:15:31):
They're killing people based on this self designation, like we
called you a narco terras and then we blew you up.
And I you know, I often run these by friends
of mine who are high ranking in the military when
I have these questions about this, or retired folks, and
you know, one of the things that they're very steadfastly
hold on to is that the United States military will

(02:15:54):
not obey an order that is unlawful. And I'm like, well,
all right, And I always ask the question, what happens
if the unlawful order comes down?

Speaker 1 (02:16:06):
What do they do? Well?

Speaker 2 (02:16:07):
The Jags basically work it out and say this is
what you need to change the order to be to
make it lawful, and then usually command reorganizes that and
then makes the order lawful. Right now, there is no
authorization for use of force for anything remotely resembling what's

(02:16:27):
happening in Venezuela, in the Caribbean and in the Eastern Pacific.
When Obama was striking American citizen Somalia that wasn't great
or Yemen not great, he was ostensibly using the authorization
for force that was tied to nine to eleven. In
the global war on terror, the Trump people have not

(02:16:48):
cited a single legal justification for their efforts, except to
say that they are calling them Narco terrorists. There was
a story in the paper this week about that Rubio
and Hegseth basically got a briefing from or gave a briefing.
I'm sorry to the senators that said, hey, we can't

(02:17:11):
really go much farther because we don't have any legal
justification for doing this, And the Senators therefore backed off
of the vote to admonish them for what they're doing.
They basically said, this is as far as we can go.
There's still nothing that what they're doing is not legal.
As far as I can tell, I believe that is

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a test of what can the Trump people, What can
Trump order the military to do that is unlawful that
they will continue to obey. So now you have a
setup where you've got paramilitary January sixth, insert word here,
brown shirts being given blanket pardons to commit violence on

(02:17:52):
behalf of Trump and his goals. And you have segments
of the US military who who are being and some
of which are apparently willing to carry out orders that
may not be lawful. And to Scenari's point earlier about
how do you get into the autocracy, those things do
seem like they are pathways to that. Now, convince me

(02:18:15):
I'm not crazy or why I'm wrong, but that does
seem like what I'm seeing happening here.

Speaker 1 (02:18:22):
And what I worry about is the number of people
who left the military. Mm hmm, like a lot of
the generals. You know, My my concern was, you know,
I'm you know, I knew some people, you know, very
high up in the military in the first Trump administration,
and the thought was, well, you know, I had that
calm that like, oh, well, at least the right people.

(02:18:44):
Well all those people got fired. Maybe not all of them.
A lot of those people got fired or got let go,
and there's been a lot of blood letting. Then the
use that phrase too much. There's a lot of you know,
people who lost their jobs in the military, and like
a lot of people folk who you know, we don't
follow on lawful you know, like those those are the
people the knuckle dragon. A lot of the knuckle all

(02:19:06):
the knuckle dragons are there. You don't know who. We
don't know whether the people who are like democracy constitution
are so.

Speaker 3 (02:19:16):
Yeah, I'm concerned.

Speaker 1 (02:19:18):
I mean yeah, I mean yeah, it should be concerned.

Speaker 4 (02:19:21):
And they're killing people with no like American American government
has been killing people for a long time.

Speaker 1 (02:19:27):
Like so I'm not trying to make.

Speaker 3 (02:19:28):
It like, oh this is international pastime.

Speaker 2 (02:19:32):
That's not right, right added to the list scenario.

Speaker 1 (02:19:38):
I mean, Jesus Christ, but we're just using that.

Speaker 4 (02:19:40):
That's the example that I've Oh yeah, we're not the
greatest you're not yet, and I mean that alone, right,
that you don't we don't know. We don't know what
these people are doing on these boats. Right, there's there's
no fishing.

Speaker 2 (02:19:56):
Apparently some of them people are fishing guys from Trinid fishing.

Speaker 4 (02:20:01):
I think the only difference to all right, I still
have a belief that there are folks in the military
that will push back. But to their pushback is to resign. Right,
I'm blanking on the guy's name who resigned a few
weeks ago, right, who was over this.

Speaker 3 (02:20:18):
He said he couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (02:20:20):
Yeah, Well, but like, okay, so then what do you do?
I mean, even if it like Millie you know, kind
of went out in a flash and wrote a book
about it, but that doesn't it doesn't move the needle.

Speaker 4 (02:20:29):
I mean, this sounds terrible, but I mean you're equating them.
I see where they can play in this in the
I guess, the same sandbox. But you're saying that this
would also tie into them, I guess. I mean, you're
designating American organizations nonprofits is terrorists and then they're going
in they're killing people. Is that I don't think that is?

Speaker 2 (02:20:50):
So they designated Antifa organization. They designated these guys on
fishing boats terrorists and then blew them up. What is
in Antifa?

Speaker 11 (02:21:02):
Don't know?

Speaker 2 (02:21:02):
I mean Eisenhower, but like what you know, what what
are we talking about here? And and if you're giving
license to people to commit violence on behalf of Trump
where there's no legal recourse, they're going to get a
blanket pardon. You know, your cousin Enrique is out there
like what are we doing with this?

Speaker 3 (02:21:24):
I don't I see whe you're going with.

Speaker 1 (02:21:27):
I find to be a little alarmist still.

Speaker 4 (02:21:29):
I mean, but I don't want to sit there and say, no,
the action that is happening is now, but where you
say it's going to?

Speaker 2 (02:21:35):
I don't know what would Ellie Veazel say about like
feeling a little alarmed about seeing this movie again?

Speaker 1 (02:21:42):
I didn't want to say, it's like you'd have to
be like I think from the our point of view
or the pedestrian point of view, is to be loud
and you know, like that's where, that's where it is, right,
It's like where are we show up? Where are you
showing up community in those places? You know, my sister
always jokes that there's only one devil you just it

(02:22:06):
just he shows up in different places. You have to
fight the one that's nearest you. And I feel like
that that is, there's so scary because there's nothing that
I can do about a military decision. Right, however, my
congressman be knowing who I am? All right, that's just

(02:22:28):
like that.

Speaker 2 (02:22:28):
Really you mean the one that that let the government
reopen without getting any healthcare because he's out numbered. I mean,
I'm not throwing you know, water on your magnet, so
to speak, but like it's you know, I get what
you're saying. People say this all the time. The people
will not stand for it. We can go in the
streets people.

Speaker 1 (02:22:49):
About this too.

Speaker 4 (02:22:50):
Though there are people in Congress that are looking at
this like, yo, what the hell is going on? It's
not it's not enough, but there's a decent amount of
folks who smoke up.

Speaker 2 (02:23:00):
If you're relying on rand Paul, you've already lost, Like
that is that is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:23:06):
So should we should we be buying gold and moving
to Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 2 (02:23:10):
If you can shoot gold out of a twenty gage? Yeah, no,
I don't, right, I don't want to, But no, I'm
I don't know, I'm not saying I know what the
thing to do is. But like, the reason I'm here
is because my grandfather and his brother were like, oh fuck,
we gotta go, and I'm here and like I don't

(02:23:35):
want to do that, well because I don't have anywhere
to go.

Speaker 1 (02:23:39):
One of the most interesting things though, is what I find.
What what I don't think that the the Republican who
is in or the person who's deep in NAGA understands
is how this has changed. I'm a person, you know,
I worked on Mitt Romney's campaign in nineteen ninety something. Right,

(02:24:00):
is like, I'm at the point where I'm like, so,
I'm not some wild Antifa person, Right, I worked in
public radio. But that seems like wow, yeah that I
go as leftis as people think. Definitely not trust me.
It's not very clear about that. No, no, But I
mean like, I'm but this is how this is how
integrated was. I was the only black man to ever

(02:24:21):
cover business or politics in like twenty years so and
in the history of the organization has never been a
black man the host one of the major shows. Wile
Williams was on a special show. But when you the
idea that a decade ago, if you said leave America,
I'd be like, what are you talking about? Right now,

(02:24:43):
I think it's foolish, especially for African Americans to not
have some sort of or queer people or whatever. I mean,
the number my queer friends who have the option are
not here right right, It's like, and I think it
would be foolish as a child of people who left
the place to not be thinking of where we should

(02:25:06):
be going.

Speaker 6 (02:25:06):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:25:07):
That doesn't mean But at the same time, I'm like,
half of me is I'm all of the black diaspora
in one person. Like I'm Afro Latino, I'm Nigerian, I'm
half Nigerian, so my dad's from Nigeria, my mother's It's like, well,
all the blood of my people is in here. But
then I wonder if black folks and other people are

(02:25:28):
looking the way our other you know, the way Jamaicans
or other people look, and they're like they're not that
tired to this place right or any individual place where
this And I think that that really that idea that
the I'm an average Negro all right and got no

(02:25:50):
money and got no and I'm thinking where should I
be going? That should be really if America cared. It
should be scared, terrifying, suing like I don't have anywhere
to go. I started looking. I was trying to figure out,
could I, like leave to go to Ireland. They're like, no,
we don't want you. Nobody wants us. Nobody wants Americans where.

(02:26:13):
And that's the thing is we think we can go someplace. No,
and you like, I have some friends who moved to
Berlin and they're like, oh, hell no, and they're back.
That was during the pandemic. They're back and we've made
This is the weird thing is that Trump and the
administration have made us pariahs in the world. That's right.

Speaker 2 (02:26:33):
Nobody wants to Nobody nowhere to flee, so I may
as well stand and fight.

Speaker 1 (02:26:38):
But and I think go people.

Speaker 4 (02:26:41):
If people do flee, I do think eventually folks will
realize and be like, oh, and this place ain't the great,
Like I'm not about to sit here and we have
a But there are places folks will go and be like, oh,
I don't have the same type Like it's different the way.

Speaker 1 (02:26:57):
It's happening in places where people have gone with they don't.
I mean, one, there are a lot of places we
can go where this is just like America. There are
a million Americans in Mexico, sure, Canada, those places. I'm
not like so, but there is. People don't When people

(02:27:17):
don't want you there, and when you're the immigrant crazy,
that's a real that's going to be a real thing
in our American and they especially, I mean, hell, we're
seen in Mexico and in Spain we're like no, no, no, no,
too much of you. Please leave.

Speaker 2 (02:27:33):
Italy yeah, I mean yeah, it's the even tourists they
don't want to see. You know, Portugal is going through that.
It it is, you know, and like ghan is a
good example you mentioned right. This is a modern, developed country,
big cosmopolitan cities and all this stuff. You think you
can go there and live a life similar to what
you can in America until you find out that you

(02:27:55):
can't get a visa longer than six months or whatever.
You know, they don't want us, they don't want Americans because.

Speaker 1 (02:28:02):
Or they know the African country there was I think
it was Bikini Fosso I'm not sure which country, but
one of the was like please come. Like Africans who
are They're like please come? And then recently I think
it's they're like, oh no, no, no, no, no, don't, don't,
don't come anymore, like because we because we because we
showed because black folks, we forget that we're American. We

(02:28:23):
show up in the place as Americans, right. And our
dollar that's the other thing. While we're undercutting the dollar,
that edge that you thought you had, yeah, might not
be I mean, I'm looking at the dollar, the euro,
you know, that edge that you thought you had, and
so it's kind of evaporating, you know, right, and then
you're gonna have to run to Kosovo or some other

(02:28:45):
place where. Who is it?

Speaker 3 (02:28:47):
Uh Luis Suarez.

Speaker 2 (02:28:48):
After he bid everybody he had to go play in
Kosovo for like a little while because it was the
only non FIFA organized soccer in the world.

Speaker 3 (02:28:57):
They let him back in.

Speaker 2 (02:28:58):
It's fine, He's back to biting everybody, all right. So
while we're talking about fleeing terrible things, Uh, let's talk
about the Supreme Court for a hot second.

Speaker 1 (02:29:08):
Here.

Speaker 2 (02:29:10):
Nine the unelected nine did something. Uh you know, they're
really good at doing nothing, right, Katie j recently this
week figured out how to do nothing and something at
the same time, which was very impressive. On the the
snap benefit stuff, but they decided not to hear.

Speaker 3 (02:29:31):
Ken Davis.

Speaker 1 (02:29:32):
I don't know, can we throw our picture up, Brian,
like this lady, if this is the face of.

Speaker 2 (02:29:37):
The anti marriage movement, body, they gotta find somebody better.

Speaker 1 (02:29:47):
Comment?

Speaker 3 (02:29:48):
Yeah, all right, So you may.

Speaker 1 (02:29:52):
Remember that this lady she worked.

Speaker 2 (02:29:55):
She was a clerk in Kentucky County clerk who didn't
want to issue marriage licenses to same set couples. She
didn't even want to like let other people in her
office do it, which seems like a fair compromise. And
she claimed that she was so hurt by the existence
of same sex marriage that she wanted to, you know,

(02:30:16):
overturn it and or get paid a lot of money.
And she fought this up, and she kept getting knocked
down at every level of the courts. They were like,
just let somebody else do it. You're not obliged to
do anything you don't want to do, right, you don't
want to sign the license, It's fine the guy next
to you to I am a civil celebrate.

Speaker 3 (02:30:33):
That is a thing that I do. I do weddings.

Speaker 2 (02:30:38):
There are like four people at my local courthouse who
do all those signing the papers. And I know them
because I see them all the time. If one of
them doesn't like something, he hands it off to the
next person.

Speaker 1 (02:30:52):
They can do it.

Speaker 3 (02:30:53):
It's fine, no big deal.

Speaker 1 (02:30:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:30:55):
She didn't want to do that, so she was like, no,
Obergefell must die. And then she lost the Uh the
only like the nine were like, now we don't even
want to hear that case because their case is weak sauce,
like there's nothing here, and now she's got to pay
all of her legal bills, all of her lawyer fees,
and she's got nothing for it. And uh, you know,

(02:31:16):
look at her.

Speaker 1 (02:31:17):
I will be Debbie Downer. Oh, because this case was
never going to go anywhere, right it was not. However,
now I don't remember the exact case, but there was
another case that came up in the court in this session,
already in this session where they undercut that you have

(02:31:38):
that you automatically you know whatever, how many thousands of
rights you get when you have marriage, right. Well, they
that was a case where they like, eh, the rights
are not necessarily inherit. So one of the more interesting
cases where they were like they struck at the idea
that there are these like that there are these thousand

(02:31:59):
inherent advantages you get from being married, that they're automatically
tied to marriage right and that they're so literally the
court undercut a more basic idea about marriage equality that
allows them to go back and under like keep doing it.
I believe they're going after Obergefell later. This is just

(02:32:19):
a poor vehicle for it. And yeah, they weren't.

Speaker 4 (02:32:22):
This wasn't strong enough. They want to they'ren just mant
it in like freaking with voting rights. They'll go by
bit by bit most likely right now. No, I don't
think they're gonna bit by bit.

Speaker 2 (02:32:31):
I think they're gonna they're gonna do it like they
did with with Row, and they're gonna they're gonna find
something that is dastardly backwards, like arguing that the Fourteenth
Amendment protects white voters in black districts in Louisiana, and
they're gonna use like that to knock it down and

(02:32:55):
say that no, you don't have a fundamental right to this,
and and that Kennedy was wrong in deciding that the
Fourteenth Amendment protects You know, the fourteenth Amendment is very
it depends how you read it, and these guys are
figuring it out and neighbor Clarence and Sam and Alito
are like leading the charge. They're like, oh, yeah, it
means everybody gets equal, not not equity, but equal, and

(02:33:17):
that's not the same thing.

Speaker 3 (02:33:19):
And that's a problem.

Speaker 2 (02:33:22):
Look, if you had to be married to Ginny Thomas,
wouldn't you want everybody else to be miserable too. I
think that marriage equality guarantees that right to be miserable
if you want to be. Uh, And that's fine. People
should have that right. However, maybe maybe Clarence is telling
us something, you.

Speaker 1 (02:33:39):
Know, And I was just like, this is a piece
of useless information that normally would be useless. But then
this morning I went I found myself in this like weird,
like uh weird wormhole what do you call it when
you like go down like something? Rabbit hole? And it
was just like the number of gay influencers porn stars

(02:34:04):
who are magat yeah and like that and I which
is really stunning. I mean, I live in West Hollywood,
which is one of the gayest cities in America. It
was founded forty one there a few years ago. And
the number I think that this is you know, from
for my time in d C. You know, it's funny

(02:34:25):
the number of It's it's interesting, how you know, the
number of people who have hit on me were powerful
who I didn't know, who you know who are definitely
not out right, Oh you were a tea pack, Yeah
that happens. Well no, well just in Congress, my friend. Right,

(02:34:49):
they didn't even have to go that far. But it's
like when you live in d C, you realize if
you're if you're if you're not an ugly black man
who's out in d C, you realize like, oh wow, wow,
the world is they're republic They're gay Republicans for real,
for real. I think that this is one of those
things that actually will wake up a sleeping dog because

(02:35:13):
they're not like this is connected to enough people in
a real way that it might be a thing that
it's not like you know, you know who knows who
are the people who know trans people? Right, it's like
the five trans people, but you know them.

Speaker 6 (02:35:30):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:35:30):
It's like, but there's a gay person in your neighborhood, right,
and that is really and I think that one the
gays who are you know, the log cabin Republicans are
very don't understand how this is central to the idea.

(02:35:51):
Twenty twenty five Project twenty twenty five, how this is
fundamental to a lot and I think that that might
might be one of those things that scares people. But
who knows, like.

Speaker 3 (02:36:06):
Leaving the Mega movement.

Speaker 1 (02:36:08):
No, I don't think. I think that. I'm not saying
that there is any bridge too far, but we haven't
found it yet. Yeah, because we haven't found it yet.
But I do think that the more of the attacks
on on gay marriage because it's become anadyne, it's so
it's so like who cares? Right, Yeah, in some in

(02:36:30):
some places, but I think in the Deep South and
in other places in deep Maga territory. You don't have
to be in Deep South, right, you can be just
like an Orange County. That's where it's going. Like, I
think that that's that it will affect people in those eras.

Speaker 2 (02:36:47):
Do you think there are people in Maga locations that
are still so bothered by gay marriage or do you
think that a lot of them are, Like you know,
I was against it, but those two guys seem like
they're having a pretty good time and they who cares?

Speaker 1 (02:37:02):
No, I don't think it's that. I don't think it's
that deep. I think it is that the people. The
gays who are married have money. Yeah, and they they
have money and they vote right, and I know, like
it's like, you know, jay marriage is really like it's
kind of an elite thing, right, And the people who've

(02:37:24):
gotten there are often than people who are you know,
the people I know like studio executive blah blah blah, Like.

Speaker 2 (02:37:31):
They don't want to pay taxes, so they vote Republican.

Speaker 4 (02:37:34):
And but what they said, the Republican Party could be
a big ten party on this show a lot of
times if they were like just push the hate to
the side.

Speaker 1 (02:37:43):
They got the black people are generally conservative in general.

Speaker 3 (02:37:47):
Right, they got black people.

Speaker 4 (02:37:48):
We think they can have gays, We think they can
have the Latinos, which they have made inroads in anyways,
Like if they just push the hate those side, I
think they're gonna be a huge, big ten party.

Speaker 1 (02:37:57):
It'd be crazy huge. They would win. They could, they
could run the table because you got an uncle, you
got an uncle. We all got an uncle. It doesn't
push And the reason what's crazy to me is like
how many black folks vote Black men voted for Kamla.
That tells you something like how over sixty five they

(02:38:19):
were like all you have to do if you get
It's like, that's how much black folks hate racism. If
you just got rid of that or toned it down
a little, you could get twenty five. Even with Trump.
You saw how many you got when you just made overtures.
God forbid, you stopped actively trying to fuck us like

(02:38:42):
you would have a that you just win all the time. Hell,
like I said, I worked for mitt Romney and Bob Dole, right,
because Mittens and Bob Dole were not whatever you think
about them. Maybe they they then bang racist. Rob though

(02:39:02):
was not a you know, ain't a klansman.

Speaker 2 (02:39:06):
Yeah, they did racism in this sort of accidental way
where they're like, you know, I'm benefiting from the system,
but I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:39:12):
Utterly unaware of it. Uh, you know that that kind
of thing.

Speaker 3 (02:39:16):
They're not.

Speaker 1 (02:39:16):
They're not like Ronald Reagan out here, like how can
we do this? You know?

Speaker 3 (02:39:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:39:20):
There they're calling people monkeys on the phone.

Speaker 3 (02:39:22):
So I mean, we know where he kicked off his
whole ship.

Speaker 1 (02:39:25):
So yeah, we're we can get down that path. I mean, like, jeezuz,
that dude, by the way, there is I saw a
name that is so funny but so true, it had
the chart and it's like everything's going up and then
it like starts to go down. Yes, and it's always Reagan. Yeah,
but I mean, but that that really, really that's a

(02:39:48):
lot of where this where we got to from.

Speaker 2 (02:39:51):
It's like that, dude, Our whole city basically went from
like functional, successful, mostly black city to terrible, difficult, dire
straits took twenty years to recover from because of Reagan.

Speaker 1 (02:40:13):
Like Washington, DC met Ronald Reagan and went wop and
then it.

Speaker 3 (02:40:20):
Took us.

Speaker 2 (02:40:22):
Till like the late nineties to get back, give or take.

Speaker 3 (02:40:26):
And it was a different back, and it was a
different back.

Speaker 2 (02:40:29):
Yeah, they had to basically flip the city, and I
think that that was part of the plan. But never nevertheless, Okay,
now tes is Italian, which is one of the important
things about him, and there was an important story. Now
I'm gonna let you sort of explain this to the people.
But I did check today, Like I mentioned, I did

(02:40:50):
look at the imported Italian pastas in my local grocery
store and some of them were even on sale. So
it hasn't quite hit yet. But what is what is
pending for those of us who care about quality pasta,
the big TA word.

Speaker 4 (02:41:07):
Your pasta is gonna get a lot price here because
obviously tariffs are going to be targeting Italian imports, and
that's if you can find them in stores at all.
I think January US terarif rate on imported pastas from
thirteen major Italian companies could go as high as one
hundred and seven percent. Yeah, this is a puluminary US

(02:41:27):
Commerce Department decision. So for the consumers in the United States,
this means the cost of your favorite Italian pasta could
more than double if the brand decided to pass tariff
costs onto retail buyers. Remember, everybody a tariff, it's a tax,
you know, taxing. Usually the consumers are the ones who
pay that tax. But I think it's just to a
point where it doesn't even make sense, right, Like I've

(02:41:49):
been reading the story, it doesn't make sense for them
really to even sell it, right if it's at that.

Speaker 2 (02:41:52):
Yeah, right, So they wouldn't sell it because it would
be too expensive to be twice the price and they
wouldn't be able to move it. So there's the fifteen
percent blanket tariff on everything coming from the EU, and
then there this is an anti dumping tariff. So this
isn't one of like, you know, tariff the penguin sort
of things happens. Trump likes Italy because they've got a

(02:42:16):
pretty blonde lady in charge or whatever, so he's all
interested in her. But this is because the Commerce Department
is accusing Italy of flooding our markets with cheap pasta,
which I mean, pasta is already about the cheapest stuff
you can get, right, I mean, it's a struggle food.
That's what I eat when i'm you know, hungry, and

(02:42:37):
I don't want to spend any money. It's a dollar
box and off you go. What I didn't feel like
the Italians were artificially depressing the price of American pasta
with their really nicer pasta.

Speaker 1 (02:42:50):
I mean, well, just for the record, the Italians have
sell pasta in the US, not the good stuff at
higher rates. They sell US possa for more than they
sell other countries, which, of course, under which completely undercuts
the idea that they're dumping pasta in the US just right,

(02:43:11):
like point of fact, they're selling pasta to US for
more money than they sell to their place.

Speaker 2 (02:43:16):
So I figured out how this happened, And this is
all a thing. I you know, I watch a lot
of sports, so I see commercials. And one of the
commercials I've been seeing lately, and you know that this
is where Trump gets all of his information from his television,
is that the olive garden is back out with the
never ending possible. And I believe that he saw that
commercial and he's like, yahha, the Italians with their clever

(02:43:42):
infiltration olive gardens are dumping pasta on Americans for thirteen
ninety nine and a bowl with unlimited salad and breadsticks.

Speaker 1 (02:43:51):
And this must be stopped.

Speaker 2 (02:43:53):
And I think it was the salad that threw him,
you know, because he I mean, you know, he hates salad.

Speaker 1 (02:44:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:44:00):
Test people, man, do something about them. Handle this all right.
The last thing, remember we talked about uh Indiana. Do
you know Indiana has a lieutenant governor. We did talk
about that. It's this guy who who plays a high
school teacher, cool high school teacher who takes his jacket off.

Speaker 1 (02:44:21):
There.

Speaker 2 (02:44:21):
He is Micah Beckwith You may remember him more recently
from his decision to explain to us why the three
fifths Compromise was really great and was all not about
discrimination but really about how to eventually end slavery, and
it's still one of the most.

Speaker 3 (02:44:41):
Bizarre things I've ever been Well, guess what Michaeh beckw
is even more bizarre.

Speaker 1 (02:44:50):
You ready for this?

Speaker 2 (02:44:52):
A grand jury in Marion County, which is in Indiana,
is investigating allegations of ghost employment, part for the course
of government officials, sure and other wrongdoings featuring Lieutenant Governor
Micah Beckwith's office. A report filed by the Marion County
Grand Jury on October third said that it met in August,

(02:45:14):
So this is, you know, a while ago and September
for an investigation into the distribution of You're ready intimate
images and ghost employment in the office of the Indiana
Lieutenant Governor. It's unclear what the investigation to go ghost
employment pertains to, but what he was doing was confirmation

(02:45:38):
of the grand jury testimony files accusations of deep fake
AI porn videos that were allegedly shared by his office
targeting the wife of a Republican state lawmaker. State Representative
Craig Haggard of Moorsville confirmed in August that he was
interviewed by the prosecutor's office about the situation. An ex

(02:46:00):
staffer from Beckwith's office has said publicly that she was
personally shown a deep fake AI video portraying a topless
defiction of Haggard's wife by staffers in the Lieutenant Governor's office.
So that's when he's not cheering on the three fence compromise.
Michael Beckwith is out here making AI deep fake porns

(02:46:23):
of political rivals.

Speaker 1 (02:46:25):
Didn't. Yeah, there's a lot that's going on with that.
What the what the fuck? What the fuck? First of
the deep fake thing is what scares me about. Yeah,
because he's happening everywhere. That ISLAMI on that yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:46:45):
Beat right now?

Speaker 2 (02:46:47):
All right, so Brian is our resident porn expert. What
it's First of all, how good is AI porn? And
second of all, would anybody believe this? I mean, how
ridiculous is this?

Speaker 1 (02:47:09):
Porn?

Speaker 3 (02:47:09):
Is is not really interesting?

Speaker 6 (02:47:13):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:47:15):
That way?

Speaker 3 (02:47:18):
They're taking away good jobs? Yeah right, this, I mean
it's jobs.

Speaker 1 (02:47:23):
I'm all talking.

Speaker 2 (02:47:25):
How are those seventeen year olds buy their braces with
Matt gets his money?

Speaker 4 (02:47:29):
Now?

Speaker 5 (02:47:31):
Oh yeah, they can actually buy some maybe some comic
books or you know something.

Speaker 2 (02:47:39):
I guess all right, So I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:47:41):
Like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 4 (02:47:43):
I'm assuming what are they doing a video or I'm
assuming they're taking his wife from another video.

Speaker 1 (02:47:50):
And she was was at a charity event. Yeah, that's
the singing. Get this for Who's your Idol? No?

Speaker 2 (02:48:01):
What?

Speaker 1 (02:48:02):
So this is like Indiana's version of American Idol that
was that was it was a charity event she was performing.
They took that and then turned it into a topless
AI video. So she's singing, So she's singing for charity
and they took this and it's just like, I mean,
come on, there are a lot of portn stars named
charity scenario.

Speaker 3 (02:48:23):
I don't know if you know this.

Speaker 1 (02:48:24):
It's it's pretty com charity a great movie about a
a about a sex worker. But I love this quote.
I'm just gonna yes, please please. My wife and I
are outraged and sad that her singing at a charity
event for mental health was turned into a pornographic smear
of her family, of her and our family and your
last I'm gonna, when I'm not on camera and by myself,

(02:48:48):
I'm gonna laugh at that quote because there's something about
it that just is just very a lot. But the
fact that they did this is just like, that's the
I mean, the dude is the tenant governor and this
is like the wife of an elected official. So now
now of his own party. Of the shenanigans that happened

(02:49:10):
behind closed doors in the parties and in the Indiana
and lieutenant governor in Indiana is a terrible office and
most are the people who have done that job have
been nearly terrible people. However, this is like a new
low for Indiana politics. I have got to say. And

(02:49:31):
I grew up in Chicago, so I was gonna say
you had dirty the dirty stuff was happening in Indiana, right,
But this is who I mean. I covered Richard Murdoch
who ran for he lost. Yeah, like again another Richard Murdock.
Then Pete boota judge I did. Is Pete's first national story.

(02:49:52):
But I have never seen anything like this in and
then that's that's what happens when one party has troll
of the state for too long. It's been twenty years
of one party, twenty five years ish of one party
rule with a with an uh evan by like interact
them somewhere in there. Yeah, but like the state has

(02:50:15):
gone hardcore way to the right and it's stayed there,
and it's one party state and then you get people
like this who can run for office. But the it's
the doing this in spreading around now the now his
office says that they haven't that there was no signs
of them spreading around, spreading around the office, but that's

(02:50:35):
what they were doing. Of course they're saying that, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:50:38):
So my question is what is taking Kenny Paxton all
this time? Like if they're doing this in Indiana, you
know the way that the Texas Republicans are like outing
each other, threatening each other, you know, causing divorces and
all this. Kenny Paxson, come on, man, aias of your
your wife with corn in or whatever the fuck your

(02:51:00):
eye after now these.

Speaker 1 (02:51:01):
Days, I don't know. Look, don't encourage this behavior.

Speaker 3 (02:51:05):
Access the thing.

Speaker 4 (02:51:09):
There needs to be some type of regulation on this
ship man. People should you should go there. You shouldn't
be allowed to just do this.

Speaker 1 (02:51:17):
You shouldn't be and then using my image, Yeah right right,
that's the that's the that's the one. The one. I mean.
I do live in the state of California where I
have the right to my voice, my my image, and
my signature. So you just can't do whatever you want
with it. That's not true in every state, by the
and and in California, I can do whatever I want

(02:51:38):
with my image while I'm alive, and when I'm dead,
like my image is blocks to me in the Maya State.
And that's that's actually is. I mean, our Shapiro has
a substack about this today about how we can't ignore
AI and can't like pretend that it's not a thing.
But I really, I mean, I'll agree with him and
that this is these are real issues that we're not

(02:51:58):
dealing with. And there You're right, there should be a
law and like instead of talking about instead of hashing
over the stuff that has been settled, why don't we
focus on these things. This is where I would like
for us, where I would wish we were on the
bleeding edge of the law. Right. It's whether it's deep

(02:52:19):
fakes and porn, whether it's deep fakes that I see
all the time, now you're seeing them where you really cannot.
I just saw a Trump deep fake that real people.
I mean, all it was was him breezing past reporters
and not asking, not answering questions. But it was a
fake and I could see because his ear was like

(02:52:40):
nine times. So you know what I mean in this line.

Speaker 3 (02:52:42):
If I hadn't.

Speaker 2 (02:52:43):
Believed a bunch of fake stuff in twenty sixteen, when
AI really wasn't this good, and they were believing these
Russian bots with these you know, ridiculous stories and all
of that stuff, imagine what they're going to do when
the film, the film, the video is believably there, or.

Speaker 1 (02:52:59):
The photo I just right before I came on here,
I saw a photo of Kamala Harris and Jeffrey Epstick sure,
and it's like, I know that couldn't be like the fate.
I mean, I like, you look at it as neck
or whatever, you could kind of see it, but it
was like, I know that this is not true. But
that's gonna I mean, that's gonna be a big problem

(02:53:21):
for journalists everyone. I don't know anyone who shouldn't be
dealing with it. Like every every organization I've dealt with
is updating. But but the journalistic organizations, so many of
us are like so far behind. I mean, what we
really need to do is go ask. Like you get
a classroom full of eighteen year olds, like, yeah, it's

(02:53:41):
all out.

Speaker 4 (02:53:43):
No, wait, you're telling me one is the one is
the scariest because I wonder you get to a point
where you have a website that ends up taking over whatever,
like local news for somebody or like a small town,
and it's just AI that's generating content versus actual real people.

Speaker 2 (02:54:00):
It's not only yet, but like the financial stuff, people
could steal identities really easily with this kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (02:54:06):
I mean, the the possibility for mayhem is near endless.

Speaker 1 (02:54:11):
And or the AI that calls your mom up yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:54:16):
And sounds like you and says I've been kidnapped and
send the money or whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:54:20):
Yeah, I mean, I just you know, look, it's always
a good time to be Tomorrow is always a good
day to be a criminal, right because all you have
to do is stay just a little bit of ahead
of the authorities. And the authorities are always going to
be more than a little bit behind well, and.

Speaker 2 (02:54:40):
They're always fighting the last war. It's just you know,
they're never never ahead of any of this. I mean,
the fake stuff is true, But you're telling me that
Trump was not flying a fighter jet jump dumping diarrhea
on protesters a few weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (02:54:59):
That was fake.

Speaker 4 (02:55:01):
When the Pope was wearing that bubble vest, it got
me and I'm usually good at that. Yeah, that was
the one that got with the Pope and the bubble
and he had it was the A And I was like,
and I was like, wait, hey, they got the Pope
out here, Stylin.

Speaker 1 (02:55:17):
That was what I was like. Damn, they finally got me.

Speaker 3 (02:55:20):
See if they put him in a hellie then you'd know.

Speaker 2 (02:55:23):
All right, we've come to the end of the show,
which is merciful for Brian uh and not incredible. Okay,
well there, like we want to, we'll get you to
say thank you and all that. Thank you to Straggling
for hanging out with us.

Speaker 1 (02:55:43):
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There you go.

Speaker 2 (02:55:53):
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Speaker 3 (02:55:57):
Thanks to n O t N for keeping on for
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Speaker 2 (02:56:01):
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and rip Radio for making us sound as smooth as
recently imported Croatian pasta.

Speaker 1 (02:56:13):
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(02:56:51):
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