Tariffs in Ontario or how Trump and Elon learned to love each other

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At like you were thinking like in an audio section. No,
they now have a section for folks wait for content creators.

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might call us. But yeah, we've been doing this for
a decade, right, so there wasn't we didn't have the
word content.

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is a radio show.

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It is exactly That's why I enjoy it. That's why
the live portion of it is always right. But yep,
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There you go. Your mic sounds nice?

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Speaker 1 (03:41):
So this is an incredibly fast moving news week. No
it's not so just uh bear with us? Is this
could be a show this.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I might have to log in the X. Yeah, well
I did.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
I had to had to a right, I have to
go over there and take a look and see what
all was going on. It was a wild day on
the bird site. Let me tell you, still going pretty
wild over there. But that's not what we're going to
talk about just yet. We do have a guest this week.
Scott Anderson is going to join us. He's from the
Ontario home Builders Association. He's got to tell us what

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he thinks about the tariffs. Eh, great, because yeah, as
as an approximate Canadian by way of curling, I have
adopted a lot of their life.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Okay, we are we talking ice cats versus the This
is a very fitting right now. If anybody's watching Lord
Stanley's play Stanley's Finals, so you know.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yes, Well, shout out to the fifty first date Edmonton
got the first win, so good for them. Uh So anyway,
also this week we've got headlines which grew since I
printed the show. Uh, the Trump people are attacking each other,
which at the time we wrote this.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Was a different it was a different, much narrower version
of that.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's expanded exponentially, I think is the only fair way
to say this. And chip Me once again gets to
explain why it's not safe to be Jewish in America
because it's not. It never has been. Plus, Uh, we
got Okra that could save the world. Fema needs some help.
It's gonna be a show. It always is, yeah, buddy.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
And then there there are Gaza updates that we didn't
even know, we.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Didn't want to know about.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I haven't even I didn't read that. I read it's
not good of course what that anyways?

Speaker 1 (05:54):
That it just yeah, we'll get to that. But it's
gonna play like exactly what you expect.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
We know, we've we did. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
So anyway, Wow, do you have a word for.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
The Yeah, it's a clear word.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
You've got. You've got a clear word. I was, I
was here early today. It's weird. I don't know what's
going on.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, you're all tuned in and everything.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
I know, right, I don't know what's happening right now.
This I need to gotta revert back to my no, no, no,
I like it.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
And one said better.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Infinitely better is what it is. You know, one is
infinitely more than zero.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, right, if I was at one, I go to two.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
That's huge, that's huge, one hundred percent increase, right, all right,
So yeah, I've got a word. Let's see.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
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your chip with me is tez. Let's me up all right? Now,
it's time for the headlines.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
For the headlines.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, okay, you want to go first, I'm.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Sure I'll take the first stab at this, Trump tweeted
a link and claimed that Joe Biden was a clone
that replaced the real Joe Biden years ago. So great,
our very stable, genius president loss to the clone.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Trump's elevation of this nonsensical and dangerous conspiracy was barely
noticed by the media, which instead spent many hours reporting
on a candle heist in Fairfax, Virginia.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I was not aware of that.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
In the least surprising news of the new Trump term,
Elon and Trump finally turned on each other in a
colossal social media fight. Trump threatened Elon's government contracts and
called electric cars stupid. Elon called Trump deranged and stated
that Trump is included in the Epstein report.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Duh. JD. Vance hid behind the couch, which of course
is now sticky. Yes, I just this is the one.
It's like most people are whatever reskeiting.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
I know no one likes that word on lou scot
so Weirday not probably give a good clip, but they
were saying that JD. Ben's is a stretch fucking a
couch somewhere. I was like, death for you, specifically, it's
just like what I saw. I immediately thought of you.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
I've heard this stuff about how he's had to make
a terrible sofa's choice between the two.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Oh my, yeah, yeah, that great, not at all.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
No bell for that one. No bell, no be the
feud between the richest man in the world and the
world's dumbest man. Started after Elon criticized Trump's Big Beautiful
Bill for adding too much to the national debt. Republicans
and Congress all claimed to have never read the bill, which,
of course they all voted for.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Right of course, why would we read the bill? So
it seems foolish.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
H Much like his driverless cars, Elon's test the stock
crashed today amid the online battle. Not content with one
falling piece of his empire, Elon also swore to around
all of his dragon rockets, digging a blow to the
federal government and the military.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Blowing the military is what that something? Yeah? Uh?

Speaker 1 (10:14):
In any if any other high ranking official had tweeted
something as insane as the president was executed and replaced
with a robot clone, the whole world would have reacted
with great concern. But since it's coming from someone everyone's
already knows is insane, they went on about their day.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, it's like whatever, nothing can surprise us anymore. No,
Ukraine smuggled drones deep into Russian, deep into Russia and
then used them to attack their air force still sitting
on the tarmac, making the hit the first time someone
has smuggled anything into Russia.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
That's right, most of the time to trying to get
out out.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
The attack on the Russian bomber fleet came as Ukraine
and Russia were about to start what are now going
to be very awkward peace talks. In this stand boat,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
You gotta punch back. Okay, here we go. Poland held
an election this week in which the Trump backed populace
won by offering to help all the Polish people with
their light bulbs.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yes, the election was as tight as the screen doors
on the Polish Navy submarine fleet.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Uh embarrassed woman and somehow current Senator from Iowa, Jonie
Ernst told a crowd of people worried about healthcare that
they were all going to die.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
It was crazy to hear that. It's like up there.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
With the with the with like you won't you only
get two dolls, right, one A and one B. She
later apologized in a video from a cemetery, where she
doubled down and sarcastically said she was glad she didn't
have to also bring.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Up the two Fairy. The two Fairy responded by calling
Senator Ernst and quote out of touch, lunatic and quote
the court how.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
The Trump could continue to port the deportation of Venezuelan
migrants while the migrants challenge their deportations one at a time,
Thus guaranteed salmon salmon. Alito still has some long care
for the summer.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
You know, it's rains, it grows really fast and needs
someone cut the grass. The Atlantic hurricane season is officially
started this week. Get by uh promoting a huge uptick
in sales of sharpies, you know, because that's right.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
You just draw, You could just draw one eight a
line and the hurricanes it's like a heat seeking missile.
That's right.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Father's Day is right around the corner, or what Eric
Trump calls Sunday.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
All right, Elon lasts out of the house, passed, as
we call him Oba.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
The one Big, one day, beautiful act is.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
What act is? What it is?

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah right, uh saying it would massively increase the debt
ode by the USA. But we think he's mostly upset
about the end of his ketamine.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
So that's right.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
That a little crazy came man h. South Korea elected
a new president who is not from the party of
the guy they just impeached. Marco Rubio called and congratulated
the wrong person citing the doctrine of quote. They all
look alike.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
That's not funny but probably true.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
The Dutch government collapsed this week after a far right
leaders get.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Wilders Kirt villains Wielders I saw, I forgot Yielders uh
pulled his party out of the governing coalition, citing differences
in cheese preferences.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
I mean that's really though, you know, well, you know,
it's Netherlands.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
What else could be upset about?

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Pete head Seth ordered the ship named for gay rights
leader Harvey Milk to be renamed. No word yet on
if the Navy is demanding a gayer name, but the
USS RuPaul does have a nice ring to it.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
I am a meditor. No, that could sail, that could
sell the seventh seas as as.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
It's maybe.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Alright, hopefully I don't butcher this person's name here because
I want to get the way it sounds.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Okay, uh locally, uh Asha, brave boy.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
I should excuse me.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
I didn't think you were gonna have trouble with that
part of it.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Alright, I'm sorry on that one. One one. The special
election to succeed Angela also Brooks, defeating the Republican in
the race.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
So there you have it. PG County is officially ten
percent white. There you go, Chevroley. I guess somewhere, Louise,
there the white people.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
In there are plenty of white people in PG County.
They just don't vote.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
It's named after Prince George, for God's sakes. Yeah, kind
of started one way.

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There I go, that's good, look, I will I have
a few recordings of reading a few that I will
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very difficult.

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But I feel like our show should lean into the
foolishness and yes that's all we do.

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Well we're making it a lot better by talking about it.

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Yeah, I mean, look, ship, that's a promotion or where
else are you gonna hear that at? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
We're gonna take a break when we come back. We're
going to talk to Scott Hansen from Canada about the Terris.
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okay wow. Shifting gears North of the Border, uh Scott.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's works in the home construction industry in Ontario, Canada,
which I'm told is soon going to be Ontario USA
a new terriff as new tariff policies keep changing like
the menu at your local taco truck. Very fitting. We
thought it would be a good idea to ask him
how this is impacting things north of the border. Scott,

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Welcome to chip Chat.

Speaker 10 (21:24):
Oh, thanks guys for having me here.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Okay, so that was the most Canadian intro you've ever
did you throw like a line about timmy hose and
hockey in.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
There or what?

Speaker 10 (21:37):
Look, all I know is I'm never going to look
at tacos the same way again after watching that that
skit before this. So sorry for tacos. That's all I'm
gonna think about now.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Sorry for subjecting you to that.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
If there's one thing that this show is good at,
it is making our guests regret coming on this show.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, we're batting a thousand on that.

Speaker 10 (21:57):
Yeah, excellent, where we're at with that, good stat All right.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
So let's just jump into this. Tell us a little
bit about the Ontario home Builders Association and what you're doing,
you know, in general, and then we'll talk about the tariffs.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Sure.

Speaker 10 (22:14):
So, we're a industry association that represents builders, renovators, suppliers
in Ontario It's part of a network of associations across
Canada with the National presence as well. So we basically
lobby the government. We try and show them better ways
to create a policy environment, to get our builders able

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to build. Our current governments, you know, put a target
out there of about one point five million new homes
by twenty thirty one. They're trying to get us to
work through that. And you know, for the last decade
or so, our government of all political stripes, have done
pretty well creating a housing crisis for us. We don't

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have enough supply, they're two to build, and government solution
is just continuing to botch things. So we had a
nice little crisis here that was self created. We were
working a way through that, going back and forth with government,
trying to point out where they've gone wrong. So, you know,
I had lots of things to talk about, and then
all of a sudden, your president comes along four months

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ago and starts finding a new way to you know,
torment other countries around them. Obviously, our reaction is Canadians
is you know, we thought we were pretty good with
the Americans. We thought we were you know, alliance and
friends and all that stuff, and you know, you locked
in a new president and he decided to change things

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up for us. So again, our nice little self created
crisis as all of a sudden now getting whacked from
south of the border.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Well, we were hold on, just clarify a few things.
Half of us didn't vote.

Speaker 10 (23:54):
For that guy, so that is true.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
We didn't. We didn't all do this Number one.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Number two, it seems like Mark Carney benefited greatly from
Trump's election. And since you mentioned that, governments of all
stripes and in Canada, like, you know, even your conservatives
would be flaming liberals here, uh like, have mucked up

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your housing environment. We too have a massive housing shortage
here in the States, and uh we seem to be
incapable of building our way out of it for probably
a lot of the same reasons. Yep, because the obvious
solution of build more houses seems to be very difficult
for people to understand.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Scott, can we double click on that? Right? I mean,
because you I feel like that the goal how many
was it?

Speaker 8 (24:47):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
One point one point five million new homes? Right? It
feels like it's a pretty strong goal, right.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I don't know if it gets you to like the
to meet what the crisis might be because I'm not
sure obviously the.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Case I like twenty five people in Canada.

Speaker 10 (25:02):
Up, of course, but they're all related.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
But now I just want to find out, like right,
because you're lobbying the government. And I was reading Abundance right,
which is like the book in the Zeitgeist right now
with from Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson. They talk a
lot about this and like, is it like zoning laws?

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Is it the government not wanting to like land?

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Like what is where is the I guess the bureaucracy
kind of h I get right, the simpler way of saying.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
That, Yeah, so you know a few ways.

Speaker 10 (25:33):
So one, our land costs are just nuts, so places Toronto, Vancouver, Ottawa,
like they're just you know, unachievable and unreachable price wise,
just on that alone. But then government found a way
to tork that up even more so. On average, it
takes us from the time that a builder puts in
its first application for approval to get what it needs

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to be able to put a shovel on the ground
anywhere from two to five years on average for a
single family home. So that's just insane.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
That's the permitting process.

Speaker 10 (26:03):
It's the what's called site plan approval going through to
the permitting process. So this is our municipalities Tario primarily
can speak to the Onterio situation. We've got four hundred
and forty four municipalities population of about sixty million or so.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (26:23):
Of those four and forty four municipalities, there's about five
hundred different ways than rules that they like to put
builders through. So if you're building in Toronto, for example,
you're also building in Mississauga, and you're also building in London,
three different application processes, three sets of fees, three sets
of timelines, three sets of everything. So they just find

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ways to slow that process down. The other thing is
governments have found that houses are a great way for
them to raise revenue. So right now, but thirty five
percent of the cost of the new home goes to
all three of our levels of government municipal, prevention, federal.
They are the greatest benefactors every time a new home
gets sold. They are the ones that make the most

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money from that. So we've got government reps standing up
and saying we must do more to make housing more affordable.
We've got to get make it so that Ontario families
are able to get the homes that they need. But
yet they're the ones that are standing in the way
the most of getting that in the ground. Everyone seems
to think that builders are walking around with these, you know,

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thirty forty fifty margins. Every time that they sell a house,
they're lucky if it's ten and that's where they still
that's gross. They still have to pay their costs out
of that. So government's on one hand saying we must
do more. It's like those the nimbiism. It's like, we
must do more to help the homeless, but don't put
anything in my neighbor.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yes, we talked frequently to a friend of the show,
Eric Saul. He's an architect here in the DC area,
and he also writes The Tacoma Torch, which is very
funny publication, and a lot of what he's talking about,
he's often like poking at the well meaning, very liberal

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city of Tacoma park right that then, because they're so
well meaning, basically paralyzes them from doing anything of any use,
and they end up there's this parking lot at a
place called Tacoma Junction that there have been I don't
know fifteen different plans about redeveloping and what they want
to do with the parking lot, including a bunch of housing.

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But because they can't get out of their own way,
it's still a parking lot and they want to keep
it a parking lot. Apparently, so are the the regulations
and things, you know, because we have permitting. I go
through that in my regular job. We've got county stuff
that we got to get through. There's not the state
doesn't really get involved, but it's all at the county level,

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and they can be really picky about permits and it
does often seem like it kind of depends on like
what inspector you draw. But is it because most of
the regulations that you guys have to deal with are
well intentioned, they're just overboard, Or is it because it's
like a like a corruption layer cake.

Speaker 10 (29:20):
It's it's probably a combination of all of that. So
some municipalities are actually trying to do the right thing.
They're trying to lower the costs, they're trying to speed
up the process. One of our cities in the Greater
Toronto area here Mississauga, they the mayor they're just put
a new program in place that she calls it three

(29:41):
strikes in you're in. So the back and forth it
would go between a builder and a municipal municipality with
their officials. They would go back and forth on the
you know what the setback is, what this is, what
the quality of this, the you know, some type of
environmental process that they want to put on top of that.
So you go back and forth, and this is how
we get to two, three, five years before something actually

(30:03):
gets approved and a shovel gets in the ground. She's
implemented something this three strikes and you're in where if
it goes back and forth between a builder and her
city officials three times, the next step is she puts
the planning department from the municipality and the builder's staff
in the same room. They don't leave until they have
a deal, and when they walk out, they have an

(30:25):
approved site plan. So there is some innovation that can
be done, but there's also we've got many municipalities. City
of Toronto is one of the worst.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
City of.

Speaker 10 (30:36):
Hamilton, for example, is another one of the worst. Give
you an example. So you mentioned about architects. So when
a builder puts a site plan application in, they have
an engineering drawings that are part of that, and it's
stamped by an engineer, which is a regulator professional. Every
time they put that stamp on their their licenses on
the line. If they botch that up, they lose their

(30:58):
ability to practice, not unlike a lawyer, not unlike an accountant.
When many, at least half of our municipalities, when they
get these applications in, they do one of two things.
They either send it into municipal staff to review it.
This is somebody wo's already put the stamp on it.
They know what they're doing, their license, they're regulated. They

(31:20):
review the architect or sorry, the engineer's work. That can
take anywhere from five to nine months, and often the
ones that are reviewing it are not engineers. So that's
one way they do it. The other way they do it,
and this is my personal favorite that is just insane,
is that they say we're going to have we're going
to require you to peer review it, meaning you need
another engineer to look at your diagram, you have to

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the builder pays to have this review. This is anywhere
from fifteen to twenty five thousand on average. That takes
you know, five six months to do it, and usually
the engineer, especially in small towns that is doing it
is the one that didn't get the job with the builder.
So guess what, they find a whole lot of shit
wrong with it, and they send it back for review.

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So you know, you're going back and forth on that
and that twenty five thousand that they charged to do
that review. Guess where that goes? That goes onto the
price of the new home that the new home buyer
is buy is paying for.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah, we have to do.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Engineer drawings here too, but yeah, and the people reviewing
them are usually not engineers. But is the reason that
it takes so long because for those reviews is because
the offices are understaffed and they're overwhelmed with so many
of these applications. Like, if they had a few more people,
could they be faster or is it they've.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Created the problem though, Yeah, they created that. They've already
created the problem. They couldn't I understand it.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
I'm asking that because you know, there is this idea
that the reason governments in general, whether it's in Canada
or in the States or wherever, are slow to process
applications is because they're just sitting around being lazy government workers.
When the reality is when you go there and see it,
it's that they've got this crush of you know, inbox

(33:05):
and they've only got three people to review them, and
they're just absolutely inundated. There's no way they can get
through them even if everything was perfect. So is that
is that part of the problem that these these sort
of I'm projecting here right, but in the States, especially
at the county level, we have these these tiny governments
that are chronically underfunded, with just no real expertise or

(33:27):
capacity to handle the number of requests that they get.

Speaker 10 (33:31):
So it's a it's a it's a good question to
ask because the answer I'm going to give you is
it could be one of two things. So one is
absolutely that that they could be understaffed. You get small municipalities,
they might have one two planners there, and you know,
if there's new developments coming in and there's a boom there,

(33:51):
they're going to have you know, they're gonna be swamped
with new applications.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Absolutely.

Speaker 10 (33:56):
Part of the problem though, too, aside from the resources,
is just as you said, like they've created the problem themselves.
So they because they're allowed to do whatever they want
at their own local at their own local discretion, even
though there is provincial legislation that says it should be
a certain way. It's gone unpoliced.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
It's just been.

Speaker 10 (34:15):
Allowed to roade for far too long. We have applications municipalities,
and we do a study on this about every two
years we go and do a benchmarkting review. We have municipalities,
small municipalities like the town of Calidan. They on average
ask for over one hundred different types of reports for
one application to go through. So when you already have

(34:37):
a resourcing problem and you're creating new problems because you
want to create a checklist, how could who goes through
one hundred reports? Nobody does. They don't have time, so
they're asking for these. These are costly reports, anywhere from
five to one hundred thousand dollars depending on what it is,
things like a sun shade study, a wind study, a
flood risk report study, all of these things. When you

(35:00):
get when you add on, so you get told we
need these five reports. Put your application in. You say
I need these five reports. Builder goes away, gets these,
brings them back, says okay, now we need these other
seventeen reports on top of that. So they go back
and forth There's one example. We have a county here
called Oxford, and it's like a rural kind of farm
type municipality in the county. But they were doing a

(35:22):
small subdivision just outside of the small town that's there.
So when I was out doing an event with them
one night, I had one builder pulled me aside and
it's like, when you go back to Toronto, I want
you to use this as an example. And I've used
this many times in talking to government officials. They put
their application in, they had to do all these studies,
and the one study they came back with it says,

(35:45):
I want I want you to do a flood risk report. Okay,
I need to You're serious. You want a flood risk
report on this where I'm building this home?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yep, I need that.

Speaker 10 (35:55):
So the builder lost his mind, went in talked like
found the individual he was dealing with, said you have
to come out and inspect this property with me. You
need to come to see the site because I know,
damn well, you haven't seen the site. So he gets
out there, brings the municipal official out standing in the
main street of the town, points up to the top
of a hill and said that's where the house is
being built. This is where the application is. So you

(36:18):
want a flood study on that. If that area up
there on the top of the hill floods, this whole
town's gone. I think you should be focused more on that.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Guess what the.

Speaker 10 (36:29):
Took away the requirement for having to do a flood
risk study, so I have not even gone out to
look at it.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah, okay, see that's where And I have the larger
question around like these studies, right, because right, a flood
study in a regular place or low lyne place seems good. Right,
that seems good if I want to know like that,
that's a helpful thing. And I think around there's a
lot of environment regulations, right, like those feel like good things.
But one thing I've noticed, and I think this could

(36:56):
also be applied to whether you who get it's like
the contracts to build things or things of that nature
and making sure like specific communities have more like agency.
Like those are great things, but it also feels like
some of the stuff becomes a blocker as well.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
And I'm wondering kind of where does the like where
is the line?

Speaker 3 (37:15):
If we just use the environment as the example, it's
like all right, because yeah, if you come out and
you look at the damn house is sitting on the
top of a hill. Like I don't even know why
that's not happening, but like that's where what would be
a good balance.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Is it just coming out to see it or is
it streamlining the process where again it's just a few
reports they.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Had, like an extra person that goes and looks, you know,
I mean, like that is the question. Why are they
not doing things like going and look.

Speaker 10 (37:44):
Yeah, so part of it could be around the resources,
just as you said before, if they've only got two
planners or officials in the office, so sure that makes sense.
The bigger thing for us though, is why they're asking
for these reports in the first place. Right the government
that we have in place now, the Conservative government here
in Ontario, we've got a new housing minister. He's only
been in the job for three two months. So he

(38:08):
was a business guy. He used to run a company
called Master Feeds. Knew what it was like to have
to make payroll, knew what it was like to do expansions,
and could actually read a set of financial statements. Let's
be clear, that's what is partially setting him apart. My
first sit down with him almost two months ago. The
first thing he asked me for show me a typical

(38:29):
builder's performer, and show me where the pain points are,
what are the things that are stopping? Like that was
amazing to be able to hear that somebody that understood.
So he just passed legislation through. What we have to
do for a second and third reading of it, and
then he gets royal assent. Royal assent was issued today.
In fact, on a bill that passed yesterday. He gets

(38:50):
to now write a regulation that says he can limit
the number of reports municipalities can ask for. So that
town of Kalid and I said over one hundred reports,
he's thinking maybe ten max. And of those ten they
have to be reasonable. They like, for the flood risk study,
this is already zoned for residential. Why that's the process

(39:10):
when they do their official plan that they should figure
out if that's a flood plan. So therefore, exactly so
they figuring this out, that's why they're there.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
So why would you judicates who wouldjudicates reasonable? Is there
an appeals process, a court process or does that just
take you long nobody goes through it?

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Or what?

Speaker 10 (39:32):
Well, if if the if the minister can regulate this,
and he puts like regulations in place that says up
to ten reports. These are the types of reports you
can ask for and anything else beyond that you can't.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (39:44):
If the municipality wants to contest that, we have this
thing called the Ontario Land Tribunal.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
It's like an.

Speaker 10 (39:50):
Adjudicated body, kind of like a court, but not with
a judge, just with djudicators. They can go through. That
problem is that takes months, sometimes years to be able
to get through that process. So we're working with government
over the summer to put these regulations in place by
the fall to make sure that they're reasonable, like what
is realistic here. The other study that we did most

(40:10):
recently is it did an estimate of what the cost
of these municipal delays are. So if you think we
went through and looked at did some averages, it's about
three to five thousand dollars a door per month because
these builders are having to finance these projects and if
it's taking three to five years to do it. And
you know what's been happening with interest rates in the
last little while, they're starting to come down, but they're

(40:32):
the highest we've seen in quite some time. They're putting
in a hell of a lot of money to finance
these projects, and as they're delaying and crews aren't able
to work because they're still getting these approvals through that price,
where does it go, oh yeah, onto the cost of
a home. Our average cost of a home in the
city of Toronto here right now is one point four

(40:53):
million dollars. That's an average, do you see?

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I mean, yeah, this is going to.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Maybe, yeah, maybe an inappropriate question, but whenever you see
these kind of things where there's a lot of barrier
to entry, you know, or barrier to operation, and clearly
against the will of the group. Right if everybody knows
that that there's a housing shortage, there is a question

(41:22):
of who is benefiting from this current system. I mean
why if everybody wants there to be more houses? Yep,
what is the impediment to fixing this? For coctas system,
You've got.

Speaker 10 (41:37):
Well where municipalities are doing well, and let's be clear
of our four hundred and forty four, there are some
that are doing really, really well. We have a city
north of us called Barry, and the mayor there is
is hyper focused on streamlining the internal processes within city hall,
making sure that stuff gets done, making sure that it's

(41:58):
a reasonable approach. They're actually building more homes there than
in a lot of places. I mentioned another one city
of Mississauga. We have these things called development charges, which
is what municipalities charge builders, which are ultimately paid for
by home buyers to build infrastructure so roads, water, wastewater,

(42:18):
all that type of stuff. So our average development charge
in larger cities is about one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
That's about twelve to fifty US dollars, right, and I
do the conversion back, but one hundred and fifty thousand
Canadian dollars for on these dcs, and that gets added

(42:39):
again right onto the cost of a new home. So
the mayor Mississauga said these are too high. They cut
their dcs in half, so they were about one hundred
and twenty so down to now sixty thousand they went.
From before she cut them, they had an application for
about two thousand units of new homes to be built.
As soon as they cut them, it went up to
twelve thousand, like immediately after, within a month. So guess

(43:01):
what if you make the prices reasonable, builders can build it.
It's not that builders think that it's too high. They
don't build because nobody can afford to buy the homes
that they build.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
But who is benefiting from this current system? I mean,
if the municipalities ultimately make out better when there's more houses,
like you said, because then they get money from the
taxes on the house, If the province makes out better
when there's more houses, if the federal government makes out

(43:34):
better when there's more houses, and if everybody wants the
policy of more houses bringing down the cost of housing,
and if the developers want to build more houses that
they can make more money. Everybody seems to want to
do this thing. Who is benefiting from the current situation.

Speaker 10 (43:53):
The best answer I can give you is politicians getting
to be politicians. Are statement to government is you've got
to get the politics out of these approvals processes that like,
it's killing us. In terms of doing this, Our builders
are what's that's what they do. They build homes, so
obviously they want to build homes. You have municipal officials
standing up saying we have a housing crisis, we need

(44:16):
more housing supply, we.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Need to do this.

Speaker 10 (44:17):
But when you look at their individual processes, it makes
it so that they either purposely seem to want to
slow it down. They want to make builders have to
incur additional costs and make housing unaffordable. But when you
look at it, it's just it's not rational. Nobody's nobody's
making money off of homes not being a built.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
And then that's that's the answer to my question. Is
nobody's making money at it. So this is this is
a thing where people have sort of talked themselves into
a problem and they can't untalk themselves.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Out of it.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
And now I want to be clear, like I don't
think anybody is against there being sensible regulation on our
home building and safety and environmental impact and like you know,
access to markets and all of that. I think everybody
wants it. So this does sound like a good example
of that Ezra client theory of like well meaning intent,

(45:12):
you know, well meaning regulations getting in the way of
the stated goal in the first place.

Speaker 10 (45:17):
So let me give you another example and you tell
me whether you think this is well intentioned or well meaning. So,
City of Hamilton, you put in an application as a builder,
you want to build more homes. You put in your application.
They've just implemented a month ago, a whole new requirement
where they want as part of your site plan approval
that what you need to be able to get approval
to build. They want you to include your architectural drawings

(45:40):
to prove that in the kitchen cabinetry you have at
least three different recycle bins built into it. This is
what they think is the biggest priority to ensuring quality
housing in the city of Hamilton.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
I mean, yeah, I can't really get down that one.
I don't know about that. That one seems kind of crazy.
I gotta be honest on that. I don't know. I
love the recycle, I don't know, and I don't don't
necessarily think that's gonna fix climate change either, But don't
keep recycling though.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
But a question I had, because you see this here
in the States, is where are we at with the
idea of what housing looks like? Right for a long time,
right after the New Deal here in America, it's the
picket fence single family homes. But it's clear that that
can't be that's not sustainable. And not to say I'm

(46:33):
trying to get rid of all the single family homes,
but like around zoning, do you find like north for
the border.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Is it the same thing that you have the metal problem. Yeah,
like are we able to build like uh, dense housing
by public transportation and things of that nature or people
right that are already there in the nimbiasm they like
not fuck that, I don't know, sounds good.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
I'll, you know, put my lovely sign in my yard.
But now I'm not tucking around with an apartment building
in my neighborhood.

Speaker 10 (47:01):
So we have in the last few couple of years
this provincial government of ours is past legislation that actually
allows them to do just what you described. So where
we're on transit zones transit areas where there are you know,
subways and buses and all of that. The idea is
that instead of gentle density, which are the single family

(47:23):
homes in the suburbs, this is where we need much
more intensive density. So this is condo's apartments, stacked towns,
all of that around a transit hub. And so what
they've done there is they've done reductions in these development charges,
makes it more cost effective to build there. The zoning

(47:44):
allows for much higher density than what the other the
municipality would normally want. We still face in nimbiism there
where you know someone that has bought a house there
forty years ago. They don't want to see anything change,
so they're up in arms. And the one thing, because
you know, us a Canadians, we seem to care way
too much what other people think, and we keep asking

(48:04):
them and then when they say, oh, we've got people
here that are opposing it, and then they don't know
what to do.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
So they.

Speaker 10 (48:12):
We also trip over ourselves because we go back Well,
if they don't, if we've got a lot of opposition,
let's go back out and ask even more questions and
see what people think. Well, guess what, they still hate
it and they're not going to do it. So we've
got a government now that seems to have found its
balls where it's actually going to be able to move
some of this stuff forward. But you know, for the

(48:33):
longest time, it was can't we just everyone just get
what they want out of this? And it's just impossible.
Change is not always to have trade offs, right? But correct?

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (48:44):
I think that how do I put this canadianly? Y'all
are too polite? Yeah, well, sometimes just like it is.

Speaker 10 (48:56):
I can tell you it's haunting us now, like this
is how we end up creating our our own our
own crisis here. And when we say the government has
identified we need one and a half million new homes,
we've only got five and a half million of them
now in Ontario. So that's like about a twenty twenty
five percent bump on what we've already got. So this
is a pretty significant crisis for us and we've had

(49:16):
for municipalities for far too long have decided to dictate
to builders the type of houses that we should have.
So for the last five years, for example, City of
Toronto was said for condos, it should be one bedroom
and one plus bedrooms. That's all you're going to be.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
We're going to approve.

Speaker 10 (49:31):
Well, guess what, we have a whole blut of one
and one and a half bedroom homes that nobody wants
because they have families of three or four people. So
you know, builders live in the communities they build, they
know who their customers are. But municipalities, those elected officials,
in many cases where it's the best job they will
ever get, think that they can decide urban planning.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Do you have You know, we have a federal system,
we have states, we have counties that get in the way,
like but is there a way that the there could
be you know federal policy that could mush some of
this out, or do you have like we have? We
could never do that, right if the federal government tried

(50:13):
to do anything about zoning, for example, they would never
be able to because the states would be all up
in arms of like how dare you actual arms? And
we had one. It was about property, believe it or not,
yes exactly, but like and and then the same thing happens.

(50:35):
If Richmond tells the counties like how they need to
zone for you know, data centers or housing or anything
like that, the counties like lose their ship and and
react very do you have any way to like fast
track that could Cardie you know, push something through in
Ottawa that would change all of that or is that something?
Do you have that sort of federalism too?

Speaker 10 (50:57):
We have a degree of the federalism. So our constution
has two sections in it. When it recognizes federal and
absolutely and that's always subject to change. But the other
part recognizes the power of the provinces. Municipalities aren't in
our constitution, so they are created by the provincial government.

(51:17):
So they're a creatures of the provinces as we call them.
So when a municipality does something that we don't like
or sorry that the province doesn't like, then they can
change it. They either change it by rag, change it
by legislation, or just give a ministerial direction. When it
comes to the feds, they often like to play in
the municipality's backyard and often come in with big bags

(51:41):
of money and give them incentives to do something. And
it pisses off the provinces because they go in, you know,
behind their backs and do certain things. Now they publicly
have to say, well, this is good for homeowners because
or home buyers, because it's money coming from the federal
level of government for infrastructure, money coming from the province
for infrastruct Sure, so they all pretend to play nice

(52:01):
and they smile when they do the photo ops and
all of that, but at the end of the day,
it's only the provinces that can change the rules for municipalities,
not the fence. Got it, Okay, And we don't even
have the gun problem, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Well.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
A lot of other things as well.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
We don't have.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
We're not gonna do that. But what we do want
to talk about is the tariff pole. Okay, So now
you've done a good job explaining to us about your
self inflicted wounds. We are gonna now ask you about
the wounds that we are, for whatever reason, inflicting on you.
Now before we get too far into that. You know,
Canada and the United States we have a long history together.
We for the most of the time done everything kind

(52:42):
of together. We have strategic air comand and and Norad
and all of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
We have your wood.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, well not even to death. Like when America and
Britain go off to go do some war stuff, Canada
is like can we come along, And We're like, yeah,
come on, let's go, you know, and and we like
your hockey and you know, it's there's a lot of
things that we share in common. And and we pretend
to be you when we're outside in Europe because we

(53:10):
don't want to have to answer for being American. So
like there's a lot of this stuff. Now, with all
that being said, the US now has these like weird
terriffs on Canadian and specifically we're talking about like lumber.
And then we just got the increase of metal stuff
the still and aluminium uh came through to today. Yes,

(53:33):
I said it right for you, as.

Speaker 10 (53:34):
Is British we have to see it.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
U So, like, why the fuck do.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
We have a terrifund your lumber that we need so
desperately for our housing crisis.

Speaker 10 (53:49):
I know it's so, you know, look at fundamentals, Tariffs
are meant to fix the trade and balance, and you
look between can and the US. Despite what your residents
thought of the day is there is no trade and
balance between Canada and the US. There hasn't been for
you know ever. Ever, So normally, when you have terriffs

(54:11):
getting imposed, you can model, you can forecast, you can
estimate what those impacts are going to be and for
how long because normally when you fix the trade imbalance,
the terrorists go away. Well, this has now been weaponized
by your president in terms of how he's approaching this.
You know your president talking about it is it's American right,

(54:35):
exactly right, Well, the president, we'll just call him that.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Name. You know, your president is correct. We should be
able to we should sit in this right now. I'm
with that. It is why do I have to sit
in that?

Speaker 10 (54:51):
Sorry, Well, we're just on the receiving end. Well, death
by a thousand price tags is how it's feeling on
the on the tariff side of it right now, like
just as of yesterday twenty five, going up to fifty
percent on steel on steel.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
That we need to build all those cars, and he
thinks we're going to build an America.

Speaker 10 (55:13):
Yeah, all we have to do is take all the
Canadian plants, move them to the US and apparently the
whole world is better just.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
As it only takes a couple of minutes to do it.

Speaker 10 (55:20):
If they really it does it does? Everybody just moves
teleports down, it's not a problem.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (55:26):
But the thing that you know was so there were
two things that came out of this in terms of
the public. They did not understand that steel that is
that is pulled out of the ground in Canada, it
goes to the US, gets some type of processing done,
comes back into Canada, gets manufactured done, the final processing
gets done in the US, then it's shipped up and

(55:47):
put into some type of a home construction supply chain.
So the back and forth thing like, and what people
have started to acknowledge is, wait a minute, if it's
going back and forth four times, does it actually attract
the tariff four times? The answer is hell, yes it does.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
It does.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Now the finished product also gets it too. So like correct,
there's you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
It's just so are our tariffs which are raising prices
for US astronomically and for no fucking reason, are they
raising prices in Canada for the same materials.

Speaker 10 (56:20):
Absolutely they are. We are seeing significant impacts in a
multiple uh, in multiple ways. So one is just places
are going up.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
So if lumber that's milled and used in Canada, is
it now more expensive because of what America is doing.

Speaker 10 (56:35):
Yes, because what's happened is that that lumber that is
is milled in Canada is no longer financially attractive to
the US and those customers dry up. Well, guess what,
They're shutting down the mills, So they're producing less, and
mills are extremely vulnerable because they they're teetering on bankruptcy.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Mostly there's no there's no profit margins, there's.

Speaker 10 (56:55):
No margin product. So when you start shutting down major
markets and you can no longer produce at that same level,
you can't just easily take a production mill and say
we're going to drop it down to fifty percent production levels.
It just doesn't last long enough.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Well, not only that, but a lot of them physically
can't run it that like correct. People don't know this
about lumber mills, but they kind of like fuel themselves.
If they're not producing enough scrap, they can't run the
kilns that dry out the lumber for them to mill
into more lumber. That's a real thing. And I don't
know why people don't know that stuff. The price thing

(57:34):
is also, like I told everybody, watch bacon. Bacon is
a good indicator to see this because it's a it's
got a shelf life. You can't keep pigs alive any
longer than you know, until they're ready to go. So
you know, when there's a tariff and and uh, pork,
Like you know, China buys a lot of our pork, right,
and so they put the retaliatory terraffs on us that

(57:56):
makes our pork no longer attractive in their markets. Now
we've got this glut of pork. We've got to get
rid of it fast. You'll see the prices do this
thing where they do this really far as you get,
but then it causes a major shortage, like in your
case of shutting down a mill, or in this case,
let's just not or pigs. Jackson clean up. We've seen

(58:16):
the dip, we're now in the rise on the bacon stuff.
And I'm sure that the same thing. But I mean,
you guys are talking about finished products that then go
into a finished product.

Speaker 10 (58:27):
Correct, it's it's.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Double on top of double on top of double. What
are so here's my question. We have NAFTA, we had
it was a sign treaty. There's the US NCAA also
a sign treaty. Yeah, how can a country unilaterally decide
to not abide by assigned treaty? And what can the
other signatories to that treaty do? In like to force

(58:50):
them to pay their damn cells.

Speaker 10 (58:53):
So we're you know, we kind of joke a little
bit about how polite Canadians are. So when the back
in February, when the whole talk of tariffs started, it
triggers a lot of fear in consumers. They're worried that
they're not going.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
To have a job.

Speaker 10 (59:06):
They're not therefore going out and buying big ticket at its.
They're not buying cars, they're not buying houses. So when
those impacts last for a longer period of time, we're
in this now for four months and there's no end
in sight, like as of yesterday, twenty five percent on
on steel now is fifty percent.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
It because it moves around wildly, and there's a lag
right as well too. We might not feel some of
these things immediately, but in three months.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
That it just hits us.

Speaker 10 (59:37):
Well, we're starting to feel it now. So you take
a you know, we do some back of the envelope
analysis on this. You take a typical eight hundred home
that would sell for eight hundred thousand. The impact of
tariffs alone, partly because of the reduced consumer activity. No
one's buying. No one was buying almost before that, but

(59:57):
now it's even worse. Then you add on top of
that all of these changes to input costs that we're
looking at builders that are trying to find find different
supply chains because they can no longer access some of
these products that they relied on from the US. That
eight hundred thousand dollars home is already over a million
now and it's not any better any different than it

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was when it was eight hundred thousand. So guess what
all it's doing is inflating these prices with no real
value that comes proposition that goes along with it. So
we just have inflated homes that are that are trying
to be sold. And if I remember right, there was
something in the US about valuing homes higher than they
really were and trying to put mortgages on them. And oh, yeah,

(01:00:39):
you had a whole mortgage collapse.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Yes, we did some prime maybe bought on the rebound.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
And here I am, well in my house, But there
you go. I was told that Trump was going to
get rid of inflation. It does not appear that that
is happening. And he's managing to cause inflation in countries
that he's not even aware of are their own sovereign countries.
Is the elbows up thing is real? Right, y'all are
like super pissed off.

Speaker 10 (01:01:07):
So just look at the Look at the border traffic
Canadians going to the US. Yeah, more than fifty Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Florida's like all freaking out about this because that's like
their primary, uh, you know, vacation thing. But so, like
the question is what can Canada do to exert any
real pressure to get this to change? I mean apart
from elbow commercials and white tires and whatever, like, what
can you do to do something?

Speaker 10 (01:01:33):
We've we've gone to the extreme at both ends. So
one is when it was first being brought up, we
did the retaliatory tariffs. So when you had the twenty
five percent on on steel, we did twenty five percent
on steel when you did the autos like it was
just the back and forth. When Trump put the additional
terrafs yesterday coming into effect on Monday on on steel,

(01:01:57):
going from twenty five percent to fifty percent, our position
or what our government officials have done. It's interesting. We've
got a liberal prime minister, we have a conservative premier
in Ontario. And when we had that I'm going to
call it leadership vacuum in Ottawa when Trudeau was still
in power but not really. And then they're going through

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the leadership thing. Doug Ford, as the head of all
of the provinces talking to the Feds, ended up with
the title of Captain Canada. He stepped in filled that void.
He was the one scene as providing leadership. So now
what we've got is Carnee coming in Liberal Ford Conservative.

(01:02:38):
They are, you know, the best of buds right now
in terms of tackling this, they're they're they're leveraging that
common enemy syndrome, common enemy being the president, your president,
depending on how you want to view it. So we're
taking a different tactic. We're saying right now politically, we're
not going to do retaliatory tariffs. We're going to continue
to sit at the table and try and be the

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grown up in the room and try to get something done.
So they're trying this tactic because if they just jumped
our tears up on the US as fifty percent, like
it's just shooting each other in the foot. Like you
already identified, this is having the same impact in your
housing markets down there. People can't afford to buy homes
in the US either. So they've got a federal leader
who's actually hurted them financially.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
We're very aware of that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Have you considered that adults in the room don't work
on streaming toddlers?

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:03:32):
Yes, but it's still the Canadian way until they can
be proven otherwise.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
And then it's what hockey stick time, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
How do you they could be?

Speaker 10 (01:03:39):
It could be you're gonna see a whole bunch of
Zamboni's heading for the border and they're gonna be armed
with you know, slingshots, So watch out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
I I mean, one of the things that we have
talked about on this show a lot, and that I'm
actually very concerned about. Is the world rewiring their the
worldwide global economy to skip the United States. And it's
conceivable to think about that in terms of like, you know,
East Asia, South America, Africa, and Europe all easily, uh

(01:04:11):
and South Asia easily sort of building a card out
around North America. But would it be really physically possible,
economically possible for Canada to cut out, you know, and
work economically around the United States. Is that even doable?

Speaker 10 (01:04:30):
Yeah, it's a really good question. They are our biggest
You guys are our biggest trading partner. If you just
don't retool that overnight, Like who's going to be our
new training part the biggest trading partner Denmark, Probably not Mexico,
highly unlikely. It's the economies are so intertwined, let alone
the people, right, Like, as you said, when you travel abroad,

(01:04:52):
no one knows whether you're American or Canadian. Like you
get out of the difference, you can't really tell the difference.
So we are so intertwined. Just don't easily decouple that.
You just so when you say, can you work around
it in theory? Sure, But how long would it take
to get there, and if so, why would you need
to part of the thing and the strategy I think

(01:05:13):
that'll just start building here is how long do we
have to wait him out?

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:05:17):
How long much will he be here?

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Globalism is out there? Right? Globalism is like the two
faces out of the damn tube. Right, we're not putting
that away.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Like the global trade is just kind of how this works, right,
and it's I don't know what century he's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Trying to go back to, but that it doesn't. It
doesn't wor it could be a few, but it doesn't work.
It's a global market and we've allowed goods to travel
for the most part with free trade around the world,
and it's got some shit with it. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
It hasn't been perfect, right, I'm pretty sure there's many
towns in America that been like would be.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Like what happen overall? It's been forever?

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Yes, yeah, yeah, and it could be that could be tweaked.
But this isn't the way to go about it. Like,
it's not it's not.

Speaker 10 (01:06:04):
But if I were to, there are two positive things
that could actually point to that have come out of this.
Certainly none of it is financial. One is the whole
focus on oil and pipelines and you know, Ford threatening
to cut off electricity going to the US and all
of that type of stuff. That was back when we
were doing the we can fight in the big kids

(01:06:24):
stable too, And when they looked at doing things like that,
it brought a lot of Canadians by because they're following
the news. They learned some things. They learned. We do
not have a cross Canada pipeline oil pipeline. It goes
down to the US and it comes back up. So
if we want to send oil from Alberta out east,
we can't do it because we have to go through
the US. So Canadians kind of woke up to this

(01:06:46):
fact of what do you mean we don't have a pipeline? Well,
don't you think we should have one? So that was
an interesting, you know, educational debate going on going on here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
But never occurred to either country that we would need
to operate independent of each other. That's why our electric
grids are intertwined. That's why the infrastructures are intertwined. That's
why all of your like ports. Yeah, the oil things
like a big deal, right, you'd think by looking at
a map that the stuff from Alberta would go towards

(01:07:17):
Vancouver and get on the tankers, but it doesn't and
it can. It goes to New Orleans and like, so
can I don't know what. I don't know what I'm
asking here, but like, first of all, can you get
us in? We may need some asylum.

Speaker 10 (01:07:37):
Are being developed now, I curl I know how to
do that, So I'm I'm halfway there a spot in
Saskatchewan for you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Then, yeah, that's true. They're well, they need help. Their
team's not that good. I don't know how to do
that Manitoba tuck thing, so I can't do that either, right,
But I do like the new fees, so the Maritimes, Yeah, that'll.

Speaker 10 (01:08:02):
I'm headed actually to Saint John's on Monday for a
week for a work conference, so I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
But do you have to uh, is there a rule
that like all the different provincial associations all have to
like get together and treat the new fees worse? Is
that is that like part of the world.

Speaker 10 (01:08:17):
No, we just go out there and get screeched in.
It's all. It's all a positive thing, right, you go
out and watch some whales, you get screeched in. And
you're having a good time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Explain that to the Americans.

Speaker 10 (01:08:29):
The you know the streetd rum. You gotta go out there,
you got to kiss the kiss the puffin, and then
you got to drink some some new fee rum and
the day starts looking better.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
There you go a lot of fun.

Speaker 10 (01:08:44):
But the other thing that's come out of this from
the Canadian side is because we're having all of these
trade wars and tariffs issues with the US, it's actually
uh shawn a light on interprovincial trade where we do
have a lot of barriers. So Ford does leading the
charge on this as well to break down these barriers.
So we signed deals with Manitoba, signed them with Alberta. Uh,

(01:09:08):
he's signing one i think with UH with Nova Scotia shortly.
But he's breaking down these barriers. Because right now, if
I go to BC and I buy some of their
Okinaguan wine, legally I'm not allowed to bring it back
to Ontario. It's stupid as hell that we can't do
these types of things. So they're looking at.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
But but somehow we get around it pretty easily. But
wait a minute, So like can you not get pei
oysters in in Ontario?

Speaker 10 (01:09:37):
Well, you can but you're paying tariffs on them. There
actually is a tariff up charge when you bring some
of this stuff across the border.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
That's nuts. It is nuts.

Speaker 10 (01:09:46):
It's absolutely nuts, now, is it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Of course, not for tariffs against Florida for however long.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
I don't know. Can we do that? Can you? Guys?
We should do like that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
You know we could we could isolate Florida and cut
it off like bugs bunny, just you know, let it
float away and just put a tariff at the Georgia line.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Remember the Florida today is the America of tomorrow. That's
that's very bad. It's very true, but it's very bad.
I vote against that. Why you can? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Right, so okay, now, Scott, before you know, it is
a school night, or at least here in America, is
we do want to you know, see how if people
want to learn about this, which I'm sure they do,
even across the state lines, while we're still allowed to
access Canadian website.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Across the state lines, you know what I mean? If
everything's going on, I don't even like the way that sound. Well,
I don't like that the state lines.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Can I just a side note, if somehow Canada beats
DC to fifty first state. I'm gonna be fucking pissed that.

Speaker 8 (01:10:54):
Yeah, that would be.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
He had been fighting that fight for my entire life
and then to come in and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Just give it to Canada.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
It's either basketball team ever gonna win games again? Or
are we gonna become the fifty first date?

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Can we deport Drake?

Speaker 11 (01:11:13):
It came back?

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
That's the deal.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
We'll take the tariffs off.

Speaker 10 (01:11:18):
Everything's on the table.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Man, Hey, I like it so well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Yeah, here's what will happen. Kendrick will put him in
a truck and then hit the back of it and
off he goes. As as as crosses that that line. Uh,
we'll drive him through Detroit just for fun, right, So
he crosses the experience the bridge into windsor what's it called.
It's it's some sort of like, uh, Liberty Bridge or

(01:11:44):
it has a name, you.

Speaker 10 (01:11:45):
Know it does.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
I can't think of it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
I don't know, but it's something like grandiose name. About
most trade in the world goes across this bridge. So
we'll trade you back, Drake. If you are willing to
accept him, we will take the tariffs off.

Speaker 10 (01:11:59):
Oh okay, well I will take that to Carney tomorrow
and see what he says.

Speaker 12 (01:12:03):
I assume you can call him, right, Yeah, it's on
speed doll Man. Yeah, okay, the ambassador bridge the ambassador.
Don't tell anybody. I get that wrong, but uh okay,
So how can people read about this?

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
How do they if they want to, you know, get
in on Ontario Homebuilders Association or there are other provincial associations.
Where should they go?

Speaker 10 (01:12:27):
Yeah, if you if you want to do look at
some Ontario stuff, you can go to o HbA dot
c A if you want to look at it from
a national perspective. My counterpart at the national level, the
Canadian Homebuilder Association is HbA dot ca A.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Lots of stuff on that is Canadian for dot com,
that's right. And if we want to order shirts and stuff,
do we have to pay in your weird pink money
or can we just pay in like real money.

Speaker 10 (01:12:53):
Well, you know, when you convert your US dollars, it's
pretty much pennies on the dollar, right, so you know,
we got readily a pretty good mark.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
We got rid of penny so we don't have that
problem anymore. Yeah, you ever, you like we got some
change in your pocket and you got one of those
pennies with the lady on it, and you're like, a
damn it, it's Canadian penny. And then you're like what
are we gonna do with this? And then it's like,
oh yeah, nobody cares.

Speaker 10 (01:13:17):
And so then do you guys need to collect them
because we we haven't had them for years?

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Right, you guys have got rid of the penny a
long time ago.

Speaker 10 (01:13:24):
Right, you don't even have dollar or two dollar bills anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
No, you got loonies and tunies.

Speaker 10 (01:13:28):
Though, loonies and tunies we flip them for who gets
hammer in every game, and we will freeze them into
the ice for some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
I think it's like a good luck thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
But that's fantastic. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
So here we are in Washington, DC with loonies like
frozen into our ice.

Speaker 10 (01:13:44):
Well, that just makes it on our Canadian at heart, right,
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
So we're like an outpost. So no tariff's on us, then.

Speaker 10 (01:13:52):
No, absolutely not. You will there'll be an economic zone
around you, no problem.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
I'll love it. Okay, Well, thank you Scott for joining us.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
That's been very fascinating to the what.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Yeah, this has been like get another tremendous conversation where
I feel a lot smarter.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Yes, so thank you for all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
We're gonna take a break, tes, do you want to
try the hot read on the on the break, we're
gonna make Scott do the hot read.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
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I can go ahead and do the hot read.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
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Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Okay, speaking of great transitions.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Okay, yeah, all right, we have to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Talk about several things that are kind of all happening
at once, and they all sort of center around.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
All of the thing. I don't know how to what
Where the middle here is? There's none. Yeah, I don't
know if there's a middle, I don't know. I'ven't looked,
I haven't found it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
So there was an attack in Colorado over the weekend.
I guess it was just a few days ago. Yeah,
it was the weekend. There was a group that's called
Run for Their Lives. They're a national group all over
the country and they meet in March on a weekly
basis or walk or do five k's or whatever to
draw attention to the fact that there are hostages still

(01:19:15):
in Gaza being held by Hamas, and they this organization,
not political, not partisan, just wants those people to get
to go home. And there was an attack where somebody
who seems to think that attacking them was going to

(01:19:36):
end the war in Gaza ran up on them and
threw molotovs at everybody and injured twelve people. I think
we're up to Some of them were very old, and
I think including one Holocaust survivor. So it wasn't good.
It was yet another attack on a Jewish group. I

(01:20:00):
don't want to call it necessarily anti Semitic, because there
we do need to like get into that nuance again
and explain that. But so that's one thing that happened.
Another thing that happened is this new I guess they're
calling it the Gaza Food Foundation or Humanitarian Foundation, Gaza

(01:20:23):
Humanitarian which is this US group that is supposed to
be responsible responsible for distributing AID in Gaza. There has
been no AID entering the Gaza Strip now for three months.
The Israelis have completed completely blocked it off.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
It is a blockade, a complete and total blockade. This
group is supposed to be distributing food in a way
that can only really be described as weaponized, where they
are armed food distribution and then they are forcing the
Palestinians to come to these specific sites to pick up

(01:21:02):
their packet to food and leave. The sites are not
really accessible, are the people have to cross a war
zone to get to them. That the food is not
being brought to the so called humanitarian safe zones which
actually are humanitarian safe zones. The Israelis continued to absolutely
bombard the Gaza Strip. They have destroyed nearly everything there.

(01:21:24):
There's no functioning hospitals that can really treat any of
the wounded. And so as these people are coming to
get their meager packet of aid, the IVF is shooting
them by the dozens and killing them on a daily basis. So,
after three days in a row where they shot into
the crowd of people ostensibly because they were afraid of

(01:21:45):
getting run over by a bunch of destitutely hungry people
or something, they paused operation and took a day off
of handing out food to recalibrate their quad gun mounts
or something. They're shooting them with drones like that's also

(01:22:05):
to be clear, They're not just shooting them like standing
there mowing them down with a with a gatling gun.
They've got quad copters flying around everywhere in the Gaza
strip with guns. Imagine the drone with a gun that
can just like fly up to you, shoot you in
the head, and fly away.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
It's a modern warfare, that is what's happening.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Okay, all of that is like whoa. And then a
story breaks this afternoon that the Israeli government is admitting
to supplying arms and ammunition to rival Palestinian groups. They're
calling them clans. I don't know why that's the word
they want to use. Guys were Jewish.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Guns to the clans.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
In Gaza with the intention that those guys are gonna
like fight Hamas. Because every time anybody's done that, it's
always worked out, like the Soviets in Afghanistan, or you know,
there's one example I can think of where this actually worked,
and it's you know, we've got the Contras in Nicaragua,

(01:23:14):
We've got all the death squads in El Salvador.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
There's there's all the the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Times Americans of funnel guns into all kinds of countries
and stuff tried to do that. Afghanistan of course, is
the big one. There was the Soni Awakening that happened
in Iraq when the Americans started working with the tribal
leaders in Iraq to fight off AQI and gave them

(01:23:38):
a bunch of guns and helped them out to fight
off AQI. And that worked pretty well until those groups
became Isis.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
So you know, well, some might say this is working Syria.
I'm joking.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
No, No, nobody would say that. I'm sure as I
wouldn't say that. So, like, this whole thing is very
very very bad. And and if I've said it once,
I've said it a million times that anytime we hashtag,

(01:24:13):
the Jews are the middle of the conversation. It's bad,
bad time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
And when we off the week, we didn't even I
don't think we ever talked about the embassy shooting, did we.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
We we're on but didn't want to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
We didn't talk about that. I didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Talk about that. But that happened just two weeks ago,
where too young Israeli Embassy staffers were shot out front
of the Capitol Jewish Museum by a person who was
chanting free Palestine, who then gave himself up to be arrested.
We have a problem that I can't I can't think

(01:24:54):
of a safe way out of which is a that's
that's itself a very big problem, the attack on the
group that was you know, in Colorado, they are marching
to bring home hostages from Gaza. That should not be
a controversial position to hold. Jewish people aren't safe anywhere

(01:25:15):
in the world, certainly not here in the United States.
But Bebe has made us vastly less safe by running
this war, by prosecuting this war, this genocide that's going
on in Gaza. He's making us here less safe because

(01:25:35):
people can't decouple us from you know them, and so
now we're the target because of what Bebe is doing
over there, and that's not fair. Part of the reason
that people can't separate the Jews me from the Israeli

(01:25:58):
government is because we historically have tried not to let
them separate that because we know that people don't want
to be called anti Semites, and so to give Israel
cover to do a bunch of things, some of which
were already you know, reprehensible and now have gotten much
more reprehensible. We've countered any criticism of Israel with like, hey,

(01:26:21):
you know, you're being anti Semitic, which that's not the
way that should should be described. Also, to be very clear,
Jews cannot incite anti Semitism. Nothing that we do can
incite people to hate us. We shouldn't be doing certain things,
but that doesn't like give a credence to what they're doing.

(01:26:46):
Brian is playing along with music in the background, which
is definitely helping somehow. I don't know what he's watching
WI five oh or topic, but it's very difficul called.
Brian's watching the cone from the seventies.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
I heard the horns that you used to have, the
saxophone needs to be in every Yeah, yeah, I help you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Yeah, we can hear your music in the background.

Speaker 8 (01:27:17):
It's a smooth operator. I try to be smooth, but
it couldn't be so not that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Smooth, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
And then after this thing happened in Colorado, like Trump
used to his cover to enact his Muslim band and
expanded it somehow, which included Togo, of all places, so
totally not related sidebar. I tested Jack to be like,
hey Jack, because you know, I know exactly one person

(01:27:48):
from Togo. Why in God's name is Togo on this list?
And he's like, oh, well, we have a history of
overstaying on student visas, and so that's why you know
they're targeting us as. Like yeah, but you turned into
a successful businessman and like whiskey on, shouldn't we encourage that?

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Like sounds like it's good for the economy. Yeah, it
is good.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
He is very good for the economy and good for
your Instagram, so go follow the hood. So yay on Instagram?
But like, okay, not good, very bad. I'm feeling kind
of edgy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
You're gonna continue to get worse, is right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Yeah, I don't know what to do, dude, Maybe he's
not going anywhere, right because he needs to keep.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
This this war going on to the worst.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
The only thing keeping him from going.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
To jail, right, right, So that doesn't end I don't.
I mean you look at the polls. Obviously they're like
if they if an election was had.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
He's losing like this, no, by landslide landslide, and his
government is only.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Barely holding together because if he stops genociding, then the
genocidal maniacs of the right wing will pull out and collapse.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
The government right immediately.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
They've got him totally over a barrel, and by extension,
all of the rest of the Jewish people outside of
Israel are in peril because the whole world can see
that the thing Israel is doing is not okay. Yeah,

(01:29:24):
And they can't decouple that it is a Jewish state,
by its constitution, by its whole purpose of existence. It
is the Jewish state. You would have thought it was Brooklyn,
but it's not. And like those things mean that people
then in other places, whether it's the United States, whether
it's France, whether it's in Germany, there have been you know,

(01:29:49):
it is bad.

Speaker 4 (01:29:51):
I don't like putting chemicals in the water.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Yes, I know that a lot of want to lose
my train of thought. But because that just almost scrambled
everything again, please donate to the Yellow Button Sandy hook
Promise dot Org. I must my point I was gonna

(01:30:15):
make though, Is that right? It being a Jewish state?
I think though, like that's what we said, like it
might need to be a non secular state, right maybe.
I again, that's not my figure to figure out, but
it feels like that might be the way things need
to move to be a major shift.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
I mean, the constitution would have to be changed. And
you know, it's been long said that Israel can't be
a Jewish state and a democracy because you know, to
have like a class level of citizenship, you know, is
non democratic. That's a fair criticism. I mean Lookewish people

(01:31:00):
that live there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
See, that's the thing is that, like the Jewish people
who live in Israel are not universally okay with the
thing that is being done in their name, right, and
the Jewish people outside of Israel are overwhelmingly not okay
with what's being done in our name, and we are

(01:31:23):
less safe you know, over there, right, if you're living
in Tel Aviv or Haifa or any of the other
you know, big cities, Tiberius, whatever, like you You're safe, right.
It's a militarized police state. Everybody there is in the army.
There is a heavy security presence. There's a heavy intelligence presence,

(01:31:46):
there's the Ironnome. For God's sakes, nothing's gonna befall you
there in Israel, they those cousins are safe. But if
you're in the United States and Jewish, you don't have
an ideaf protecting you from klansmen or now newly empowered

(01:32:08):
anti Israel. I don't know what to call them.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
It's because like it is perfectly acceptable to be humanitarian
in terms of Gazo or even to be pro Palestinian
existence or you know, pro peace or any of those things.
And I myself want the war to end. You know,

(01:32:34):
I'm Jewish and I call it a genocide. I'm Jewish,
and I think that's what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
There are are and I'm sure, I'm sure in your
community you get attacked for that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
I you know, in the beginning, it was it was divisive.
It was divisive because it was one of those things
where like we all are raised, you know, we are
grandparents were the ones who built that country, and we're
all thinking, like, you know, we might not like what's
going on, but we can't say anything bad about it

(01:33:04):
because that's how the bad guys went.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
I equated to before, like there weren't that many black
quarterbacks in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
It's like, yo, man, like Charlie Batch is good. No
he's not, but I can't say that. I can't say
but I couldn't say that, But now you can be
critical of because there's an abundance of them, right. But
that's how I think about this.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Yeah, it's like that except life and death. Sure, yes,
speaking of which aarn is working out of the Stillers.
I guarantee they cut him in camp, does not he
doesn't start for Pittsburgh, I promise it. But anyway, like, yeah,
so we in the beginning of the war, it was
it was a touchy issue, was it was divided. It's

(01:33:50):
kind of hard to find Jewish people now who are like, yeah,
we need to keep up whatever it is that's going
on over there.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
About them.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Most kind of like violent position you'll find amongst American Jews,
or at least the ones that I found, is Israel's
got a right to defend itself. They've probably done enough defending.
They should retreat to the borders and you know, let
let the world fix Gaza. At this point that that's

(01:34:20):
about the like the hardest.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Line chosen to occupy it, right, but right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
They've chosen to occupy it. Trump's out here saying that
he wants to turn it into take it over and
turn it into a resort. Net and Yahoo spokesperson was
on the radio this morning or yesterday morning saying that
they were going to follow the Trump plan and do that,
which I don't know what that even means or how
that would even happen to constant, you know, And and

(01:34:46):
those guys are saying these crazy things like, well, the
people of Gaza want to leave, but Egypt isn't letting them,
like what You've hearded them into death holes and then
bomb them, Like what the are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
I think sometimes the globe, or not about the globe.
I think specifically for me, I think about it that
where is the empathy for people wanting to be in
their homeland? Right? You would think that that people who
want to be.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
In their homeland, who for a homeland and have lived
there since nineteen forty eight, would understand why other people
would want to be in their homeland.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
Yeah, because if it's flipped the other way and someone's
asking that, yeah, you would be clearly would be like, oh,
that's an anti Semitic viewpoint. But yeah, these people have
lived those families, the Palestinians have been there hundreds of.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Years, right, thousands? I mean yes, yeah, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
When you hear the story of David and Goliath, right right,
David is the Jewish shepherd who defeats the mighty Philistine Goliath.
Do you know what the word philistine? You know what
that translates to in modern is Palestine. The Philistines are
the Palestinians, and they lived in the strip of land

(01:36:11):
that is now called the Gaza strip. That is where
they are from. And that war or that battle that
gave Israel the flag that it flies right, the star
of David Magi and David the shield of David that
right there. That's how long this goes back.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
This is insane that these two groups of people who
have always lived next to each other, right now, one
of them has an disproportion it doesn't even begin to
describe it level of capacity and is beyond it was
bad when they were oppressing and limiting like water and

(01:36:54):
electricity into Gaza, that itself was a humanitarian crisis. What
they're doing now is extermination people. It's an attempt at it.
And having been the victims of an attempt at extermination,
to then turn around and perpetrate that on somebody else

(01:37:16):
is beyond icky. There's not a word to describe the
feeling here. And every time I look at the headlines,
I want to cry and puke at the same time.
I don't know what to do about this, but I'm terrified.
I think that somebody's going to come after us here
in the States. I think that our support amongst the
liberal establishment here in America is going to fall apart,

(01:37:40):
and without their protection, then the right wing and the
Nazis and the Klan and all those guys who have
always wanted to kill us will get their opportunity to
do so.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
I think because at least in my time on this
planet and following this right sinsaid Child, this is the
first time that I found that a decent amount I
could probably lean to.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
At this point, a majority of American Jews, again to
your point, have spoke out about this. Who am like
this it's it's the first time I've seen where it's
it doesn't start with like, now we're talking about Israel,
and we always like because there's this there was like
in the past, I've tried to have these conversations with
like friends of mine or people like you end up

(01:38:27):
having these political conversations out loud with and it always
was like, well not, there's never like there was never
a point where you could even interject because it was like, well, no,
I'm never I'm not criticizing the state of Israel.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
And I think that has changed. I think that has changed. Obviously.
What has not changed, and right, this would be the
history books. No matter what, is that the Jewish people
of the world are always going to.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
End up the skate. Any history I've ever read is
all it's it's it's it's always happens, right, It's happened
from multiple millennia at this point. Yeah, right, And that's
it's it's that's always gonna be. And what I've also
noticed is it becomes very contagious in the sense in

(01:39:22):
that contagion when that snowball rolls, it gets out of control.
I think the World War two is clearly one of
those examples of like when that when a nation decides to.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
To enforce this. But yeah, and folks sades Crusades is
another one. But and folks will be easy like position,
you know, always.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Like it's easier to have this conversation around Jewish folks
right where there's perpetrate. I could go down the list
of genocidal things that are happening around the world, but
this one always gets This will always get the most traction.
And I think the reason around us I don't know,

(01:40:09):
but I think the reason this always gains the most
traction now specifically with the creation to say to Israel
and who its primary backers were, is that the empires
that back it, right, whether it's the British, whether it's American, right, Yeah,
I think that's where it because then it becomes more
of like.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
It's almost like people remove like the Jewish people from it.
It's more of like this American imperialism at this point
that is spread and it's like that. But I don't
necessarily know why that can't be separated from the Jewish
people themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
I get it's just tokenism stuff, right, Yeah, I've got
all these people who aren't Jewish, who fetishize us like
we're some sort of leprechaun or secret thing.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
And evangelical, yeah, the evangelicals.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
You know. It's like, and you know, like a good
way to explain this is when you see people who
who aren't Jewish and have no background in it, like
picking up Hebrew texts and claiming to be able to
decipher it, and they go, we see here in the
Hebrew it says this, this, and this, and then somebody
who does speak Heber goes, no, it doesn't say it

(01:41:29):
like this isn't a dead language. We all speak it,
we all can read it, we know what it says,
we can translate it for you. It doesn't say that
you are just pretending that people can't understand it and
putting words in our mouths. We didn't say that. That
has always been the thing in my life that has
been like one of the most bizarre, weird things.

Speaker 6 (01:41:46):
But like.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
The insecurity of it all, you know, feels different because
you know, when I was younger, and I would think about, like, Okay,
if shit hits the fan here in America and there's
i don't know, Nazis carrying torches running around, I can

(01:42:12):
flee to Israel.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
And I will be safe.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
I can get there, and I can claim citizenship, and
I can go stay with my cousins, of which I
have several hundred at this point, and I can be safe.
I don't think that anymore, and I don't think I
can go there and be safe. As a matter of fact,
I don't want to have anything to do.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
With the place, which is crazy right to say that,
I can guess that's insane to say, you know where.

Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
I feel safe nowhere because you know. Another thing is
that like growing up, where I personally felt safest was in,
just to be clear about it, non white spaces. Right
when I'm in in white spaces, I feel little like

(01:43:00):
you never know who.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Those you know, yeah, because because they'll eat because it
While folks will say that Jewish Americans not all of them,
but like right able to similar to Italians and Irish
to white with whiteness, whiteness right, but like that ship
can change really an instant, and that it flipped. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
So I mostly identify with people who are not in
the majority of you know, the society, and so I
mostly feel safer in black and brown spaces. And I
don't feel that now, not because I think that those
people are, you know, dangerous to me. But because of
the things that Yahoo is doing have clearly to those

(01:43:50):
to to anybody who's watching, to those watching, they can
see that this thing that is happening is not an
acceptable thing to be doing. And so like an right
thinking person is going to look at that and go,
oh no, I don't want anything. Those people are crazy
meaning me and I'm like I so, so either I
have to be with the with the white people who

(01:44:11):
are carrying torches talking about Jews will not replace us,
or I got to be with the brown folks and
constantly explaining, okay, there ISRAELI I'm just Jewish. There's a difference. Right,
So where am I supposed to go?

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
I mean that's been the question for a long long time.
And the place that was created for that, yeah, can't.

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
Go there is now the problem is the problem? Yeah,
I mean it's but it's like, I don't know how
you get there. But a two state solution is that
has to be it, right, I.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Don't know how you have to be it, but how
do you get there? I don't know how you get there.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
Two generations of crazy people dying. I could get the
hell out.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
Of the way I think.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
I mean, there has to be an enforcement of it
and a protection right and where does that come from?
I mean then you got to look at who, like.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
Who is it?

Speaker 8 (01:45:11):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
Is it the U?

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
N is it?

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
I mean is it? Like? Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
Yeah, I mean, who's gonna fight the id F if
they want to, if they don't accept the mandate from
the outside, But.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Hopefully that I guess the ideas should be if there's.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
A reasonable government in Israel that can get to this point,
that there shouldn't be fighting that honestly, there should be
open trade in ways to make sure that both societies
in both states can benefit from each other. And I
mean it has to be monetary, but that's where it

(01:45:50):
eventually has to move. And it could be four hundred
years from now and we might still not be there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
But it's here.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
I don't see the horizon.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
Neither.

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
Yeahs you know, and that is that is a real
shitty fucking situation because yeah, again, like mhm, there's a
set of people who are being eradicated, uh from the earth,
and it's happening by a set of folks who were

(01:46:27):
almost radical. Grandparents were yeah, rad The earth and it's
a total mind fuck to try to even comprehend. And
I think because emotions run so high, right, and there's
just a higher level of ignorance around like the whole,

(01:46:49):
like Israeli or Jewish and like.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
But amongst the Israeli government, those guys, they don't have
any ignorant there absolutely no better they're doing it anyway.

Speaker 8 (01:46:59):
This is true.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Yeah, so Jesus, it's not good.

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Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
There you go. Look at that, Look at our We'll
probably get more after this. Yeah, I think so very popular.
Many people are saying many many people are saying, all right,
you want you want to.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Talk about how OKRA can save the world.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
Yeah, let's talk about it. Yeah, it's another test talk
and we're talking climbing again.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
Look at those dead as birds.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
There they go. All right, someone had to say it.
There it is no, this is UH.

Speaker 3 (01:48:18):
I love first of all that this comes from the
website www dot com Plastics Today dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
That's the trade publication. I did see some news articles
about this, and I went to the source.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
This is the source here. Yeah, there is UH. Let's
reread from the article here. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
I'm not too fussy when it comes to food, but
I do to draw the line in OKRA. It's just
to slime me, the most common reaction of OKRAH rejectors. Now, however,
I have another reason to reject it. I'm selfishly sacrificing
my portion of OKRA and solidarity with efforts to remove
microplastics from wastewater.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
So there's a new research study.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
That is showing UH, the odd looking green seapod can
be used to remove microplastics from the water, because like
there's microplastics all in the water.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
I think it's even in the rain, in the rain,
it's in the rain, right. Uh, the entire pod isn't used.
It's just and I what is is it? Is it
poly polysacrins all right, the poly sachrons and what gives
okra the slime factor.

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
So this cuts to the heart of the issue. The
same goo that people find so appetizing and kind of
eat it can now be put to good use. It's
a these the poly sacharids can easily be extracted from
the okra uh and just a slice and soaking water overnight,
and then they use to kind of help get these

(01:49:42):
microplastics to settle at the bottom of these storage tanks
and these tests here and then the microplastics stick to
the polysacharides, and then the poly sacharis stick to each
other uh and the water and somewhat ex uh. And
the water is somewhat expelled, building up enough dense mass
for gravity to kind of take over. And again at
the bottom, like you got clean water floating above a

(01:50:03):
layer of like the slime microplastics. So like again, interesting
way science has jumped into this this type of operation
that was very common process for water and waste water treatment.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Right, so this is already kind of happening. Was it follic?
How do you it? Is it followation file? When we're floculation? Okay? Yeah,
flocculation usually on water, uh, soluble synthetic polymers and various types.
But these bio based ones, Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
Is it such you there's a very lot of scientific
words and is it I'm gonna go with chittasan.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
Chitta sand do exist for anybody? Are scientists out there
are well versed in this, please come send these dictionary
responses to me so I can understand what I'm talking
about here. But needless to say, we'll dumb this down
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
The okrah was tested, right, it is tested naturally occurrent
water samples from the ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
They did wells, they did rivers and science.

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
It's found that just sixty minutes of more than eighty
percent of the microplastics in ocean water could be removed
for the well and river water as the results were
about eighty five and sixty eight percent, respectively. And I
mean that's huge, right, So right, and reachers is also studied.
Another food stuff found a similar result, but that food stuff,

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what fenu Greek induces entirely different reaction from me. When
you say fen you Greek, I think curry, and I
don't care if I just ate and I'm hungry. You
can take my okra, but you'll have to pry my
jar of fen you Greek out my cold dead hands.

Speaker 1 (01:51:40):
It's a spice that's very commonly used in curries, and
it is very delicious, very delous, and smells great.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
The idea here is that the slime is gonna write
like coagulates the microplastics into something that's heavy enough that
it sinks and separates out from the water, and then
you can pump the water out of the tank and
scrape up the slime full of plastic and dispose of it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
And then you've just extracted all of that at it.
And the thing is that these microplastics are so small
that the filters can't get them, so you have to
get them to sort of precipitate out of the water.
But they're so light they don't fall out of the water,
so you've got to get them to clump together until
they're heavy enough to do it, and this is kind
of the floculation, is the combining of the stuff to

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make it sink. That's also how wastewater in general is treated. Right,
you've got wastewater, it's got a bunch of suspended solids
in it. They put it in the tanks. The solids
eventually sink and separate out right, They sink to the
bottom of the tank. You pump the water off the top.
You got the solids, You scrape them out. You gotta
you know, new tank.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
You're ready to go.

Speaker 1 (01:52:47):
But the problem is that the plastics don't do that.
So now by using ochra slime, which is safe, not
harmful to people, because okra is delicious, I don't I
don't know who wrote this article that he like doesn't
want to eat akra bottle weird? I like okra its delicious,
fried ore very good. Oh yeah, So, like you can
do that and then you haven't really introduced any contaminants

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to the water. You just decontaminated some of the water
and you can then you know, send it back into
the river without all the plastics.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
I think what's becoming clear with a lot of these
stories is that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:22):
It's going to be natural substances for the most part,
that are probably going to be what eventually, I don't
know if it saves us, but limits the effects of
a lot of these issues now well, as.

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
Long as there's still scientific research going out and looking
for them and doing these kind of dusts because you know,
this is the kind.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
Of like this clear the Earth already has the answers
to this that's rights issue we've created, which is very
which is just kind of like this is like, I
know there's a lot of shit, but this planet is
a very beautiful thing. Like what what it is, whatever
you believe in, how you think it started, cool, whatever
I want to get in that. But the actual planet
itself is an insane organism that it's going to fix itself.

(01:54:08):
The problem is is it going to fix us? When
I say fix us, kill.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
Us, save us or not or not some of us
to save itself itself.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
I think the latter might be more, but the.

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
Very distinct possibility. There's volcano exploded in Sicily, uh this
week while a bunch of people were up there hiking
on it. It's not harmful. Apparently everybody just ran down
the mountain and they were okay, But you know, it's
a little concerning Kilway is exploding thousand foot jets of
molten rock shooting up into the sky.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
That's crazy. Maybe the clouds will limit the amount of
UV raised, Like who knows. Like it's clear that the
planet knows what it needs to do to figure out
it's it's it's taken a couple of gut punches, but
it's it's obviously fighting back.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
It is definitely doing that. And it's a little concerning
that we might be the plague that it's got to
get rid of. Right, but in case Earth is listening,
not us. We're the good ones. Yeah, we're hashtag one
of the good ones. Yeah, Tess has been called one
of the good ones several times all the time. Yeah,
not like you, you're one of the good ones.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
Oh God Jesus, all.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
Right, you want to do this library here?

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
Oh sure, yes, I'll try this one here. I've not
read this one, so we'll see. It's a very short one,
but who cares that it's still butcher. And now it's
time for the menostart dot com dash to the thermostat
and yet another hot flashes causes. Oh, let's start, And
now it's time for the menostart dot com dance to

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the thermostat as yet another hot flash causes us to
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our menopausal needs menos Start. That's meno dash start dot com.
The dash is for hog flesh.

Speaker 2 (01:56:06):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
We're getting better at this.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
Yeah, Look, it's gonna take a second. It's gonna take
a second. All right.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
Now we've come to the part of the show. It's
called the rundown. This is where I tell you about
some stuff that's gone out of the news. If we
were professionals, it would sound a little.

Speaker 11 (01:56:19):
Something like this from Beltway Radio and Beyond in Washington, DC.
I'm Emmy nominated TV newsman and just bonafide sexual beast,
Jase Scott Smith. And this is the part of the
show where I tell some stuff about the world. Maybe
not me, but somebody else is gonna tell some stuff
about what's happening in the news.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
So what's going on in the news? Fellas? Thanks Jay?

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
All right, big story that we didn't even really get
to talk about. We could have barely touched it last
week because it just happened. But uh, the Ukrainians, punching
well above their weight, ran an operation that they called
Operation Spiderweb, where out of nowhere, a bunch of Russian

(01:57:05):
bombers deep inside of Russia at their air bases like
all the way in Rakusk and Siberia exploded.

Speaker 2 (01:57:14):
And they all freaked out and they're like.

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
What the hell happened. Here's what the hell happened. Eighteen
months ago, a year and a half ago, the Ukrainians
started planning this mission where they snuck drones into the
tops of wooden cabins like did people use for ice fishing,

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and the tops of like flatbed truck you know, like
like just trucks, you know, semi trucks. Snuck them into
the roofs of those things, and then put those into Russia,
probably over some regular old you know transport, you know,

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they put them on a ship, send them around to wherever.
Then they got unloaded from the ship and they slap
the destination on them, and the trucking companies, you know,
they whatever, they pick them up, they drive them, they go,
and they just drop them off where they're supposed to
be an at Okay, eighteen months later, the roofs of
these things all pop open at once. Drones not just drones.

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First person view drones that are being flown by a
human being looking through the camera of them, which takes
a lot of data, right because you have to have
a very fast data connection and a good data connection
to where the drone is reacting to your controls in
real time. Lift up out of there, and that's not
at all. Also, follow up drones like that are gonna

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film these drones doing their drone shit, fly up with them,
they take off and they go flying towards these unguarded
bomber base is deep inside of Russia where these strategic
bombers that are like they're big ass, they're like their
Bee fifty twos to call them. We call them T

(01:59:09):
ninety five's. They're propeller driven, but they're giant ass bombers
and they're super loud.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
They have been the strategic bomber of the Soviets since
the Cold War, just like our beefs have been around
since the fifties. And they're like just sitting there out
on the tarmac waiting for their next mission to refuel
and like get up in the air and launch cruise
missiles at Ukraine, which is what they've been doing. These
drones pop up out of their trucks fly to way

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those bombers are and bomb them boom, and the foul
up drones filmed them doing it and then set all
the footage back. The Rouskies were like, what the fuck
has gone on? Some of them filmed it, and then
like the footage of them filming it got out, Putin
found out about it. Had the guys who filmed it
get killed, you know, for like.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
The truth? I guess, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:00:04):
Like this freaked out everybody as it should. Number One,
good on the Ukrainians for being able to do it.
Number two, good thing they're on our side because I
guarantee you all of our bombers are also sitting at
their bases in like Nebraska or whatever, thinking that they're safe,
and now we know they're not. So that's a little concerning, hooray,

(02:00:29):
But what a mission. And so like if you think
about that that moment in the Oval Office where Trump
is dressing down U. Zolensky and saying that he doesn't
hold any cards and he doesn't know what he's doing
and he hasn't had to fight this war. At that time,
Zelensky knew this operation was happening. He planned it he

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ran the whole thing, and he had to like pretend
that he, you know, didn't know shit about it or whatever,
so like that was cool. The Rush got all freaked out. Uh,
they of course claimed that nothing happened there and everything's
totally fined. But there they're military bloggers who was like,
where we find out about the reaction in Russia to

(02:01:10):
these things. They're all like jumping up and down talking
about we got a new the Ukrainians for doing this stuff,
and this is our pearl harbor. Everything to them is
in World War two terms, by the way, because that's
like the last time they were good at anything. So
that's how they talk about stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:01:26):
So like not attacked Japan first, right, I mean yeah,
I mean after a while we started putting the people
of America and camps, but you know, but we didn't
attack them first.

Speaker 2 (02:01:37):
That's not right.

Speaker 1 (02:01:38):
So it isn't there pear harbor because it isn't bringing
Russia into the war. They started the war. They're already
in the war. It's been going on for years, whereas
when Japan attacked us, we were not in the war
yet officially, and uh, it did bring us into the war.
And then you know, the in tournament camps that we're
really sad about. But we ended up luke in them

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for that because they touched our boats and there's a
thing about don't touch the boats. America doesn't like it
when you touch our boats. So which Peter Haiksa doesn't
know about. We're gonna remind him in a minute.

Speaker 2 (02:02:14):
This, I mean, this is also very interesting because.

Speaker 3 (02:02:19):
It shows that people when like in this case the Ukrainians,
they're they're not going to give up. I thought it
was interesting a couple of weeks ago where America as
well as I'm like the rest of European countries lifted
the ban of like where like any of the military
arms that we've given those can now strike deeper into it.

(02:02:42):
But it's almost like the Ukrainians are like, all right,
if you didn't do that, we got We're gonna figure.

Speaker 2 (02:02:48):
Some shit out.

Speaker 3 (02:02:49):
I think the one the one interesting fear I end
up having is at the end of this right and eventually,
like right, Zilensky will be president forever.

Speaker 2 (02:02:58):
I'd be kind of crazy. Who knows you things go
crazier and that, but he won't be present forever.

Speaker 3 (02:03:02):
But if you end up having if you end up
having someone else that goes into Ukraine and maybe is
more autocratic like that. Could That's something I'm very interested in.
I mean, you hope that doesn't happen because then you
bring them into the EU.

Speaker 1 (02:03:22):
And yeah, but Orbon's in the EU that he had
these drones, you know, good god damn well what he
would do with them exactly?

Speaker 3 (02:03:29):
And that's where I kind of wonder, like, right, like,
because Europe is obviously it's always susceptible to like these
like these, especially the countries that like become democracies, right
and things that like it always it can end up
shifting right after the war is done, after there's not
that common enemy anymore. Does the new enemies end up
being immigrants or what whatever? And I think that's something

(02:03:51):
We're so far from that, but I do wonder a
lot about that. It's like, what does the Ukraine of
twenty years from that look like?

Speaker 1 (02:03:57):
Well, not just Ukraine, right, this is the thing where
they built this with off the shelf technology, They did
it with their own innovation. They did this entirely on
their own because, as you mentioned, they're not getting the
support that they need. Their outmanned, outgunned, and there they've
got no other option but to rely on their own
you know what we used to call Yankee ingenuity, and

(02:04:19):
they figured a solution out. But it also shows how
democratized warfare is. Or you could have a non state
actor that build similar drones, gets them into places you know,
within range, causes a lot of havoc. It this is
the first major war that has been fought by drone.

(02:04:40):
Drone versus drone. You know, sure the Americans used plenty
of drones in Iraq and Afghanistan, but those are that's
different because they weren't like close proximity small you know,
just a few thousand dollars drones. They were you know,
basically airplanes that you could fly from a distance. This
is this is a very big difference.

Speaker 3 (02:05:01):
This is like buying of off the shelf type shit
that you could actually use and then configure the way
you want exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:05:08):
And if you think about what a fighter aircraft or
strike aircraft that could have delivered this same thing costs
just to buy, just not to just not to operate,
not to train, not to do any of that. Just
to buy those aircraft cost fifty million on a minimum.
So comparatively, you can buy an entire wars worth of

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drones for the price of one fighter aircraft. And that
tells you that this is a shift, This is a
big this is a big thing. Then, like two days later,
at the Kirch Bridge that goes from Russia into Crimea,
there was another explosion. The Ukrainians detonated a bunch of TNT,

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like a thousand kilograms worth of it, which I don't
know how much that is in real pounds, but like
at the base of one of the supports of the
bridge and damage the bridge and it got closed for
a few hours. It's still not back at full capacity.
This is the third time that I can recall that
they've been able to hit this bridge. Like these guys
are punching well above their weight. It is time that

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the rest of the world stops fucking around, gives them
exactly what they need to end this shit and calls
putin what he is, which is a war criminal and
a butcher. And just if we're not going to be
the ones to fight him, which I don't want to
be the ones to fight him, let the Yukis have
what they need to get the job done, man, and
just finish this shit off. Meanwhile, Trump's saying, oh, well,

(02:06:37):
you know, I know Putin, but I'm very disappointed in
him for what he did and attacking these cities and stuff.
Then when the Ukrainians do all this, he doesn't come
out and say, well, you know, maybe the Russians ought
to listen. He goes, well, you know, we don't know
about that. I don't know about that. The Russians will
figure it out.

Speaker 3 (02:06:55):
But even to that point, that's been the public face
of this here, but there are reports out of Axi
this evening on there that behind closed doors, he's been
saying that it's been a badass attack, like and he's like,
because again, if you're just looking at this like objectively, right,
it's like, oh shit, it is. I am worried about

(02:07:17):
because when I started reading this story, I was talking
to someone about last week was on a way that happened,
and I was like, it worries me because it's such
a large scale attack and what it was able to accomplish, Like,
I mean, forget fight in Ukraine Russia right now is
like if something were to pop off with let's just

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say them in China got into it, right or them
and us they're at a at a weaker stance now
then even they were like a few days ago, right,
and not even the actual bodies that they would need
or people conscripts that would need to actually do stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:07:56):
But is drastic. Some seem to drop nuclear bombs and
it not ability to do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:08:03):
Right, So you can say it successfully destroyed something like
a third of the Russian nuclear capable fleet, and that's
a big deal because a lot of those planes are
really old and they can keep them flying, but they
can't build new ones, right, So it's you know, the

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Tupelov factory is not churning out new t U ninety fives,
just like Boeing isn't building new B fifty two's. They're
just keeping the B fifty two's that we have alive.
So that uh, you know, if you think of the
nuclear triad between the ICBMs, the submarines and the bomber fleet,

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that's knocked out a big chunk of one of the
legs of the triad. So yeah, you know, if you
had designs on strike in Russia like you might get
away with it now.

Speaker 2 (02:09:02):
Yeah, so don't do that.

Speaker 1 (02:09:05):
No nuclear war, But just saying speaking of things going
nuclear over at NPR. Everybody's freaking out. We need to
sell many, many more tote bags. Because Trump told Congress
that he wanted them to claw back one point one
billion dollars that goes to public broadcasting, mostly goes through
the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. There is a mechanism where

(02:09:28):
Congress can basically disappropriate money.

Speaker 2 (02:09:31):
And caw it back.

Speaker 1 (02:09:32):
They have forty five days from the time that Trump
issued the proclamation. They have to pacify a majority. They
don't seem to be able to get a majority of
anybody together to do anything. So I think it's probably
not super likely that this happens, but weirder things have happened.
So just full alarm, call your congressman, senator and let

(02:09:54):
them know that you want PBS to exist. And you know,
it's not just same street. If you are in rural America,
public broadcasting is probably your primary source for news and information.
It's your weather, it's your early on.

Speaker 2 (02:10:09):
You know, does a smartphone change that?

Speaker 1 (02:10:12):
Yeah, the smartphones don't work out there, they don't have
enough data.

Speaker 2 (02:10:17):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:10:17):
I know, normally I'm making fun of these guys for
being poor and rural and not having electricity or whatever.
But the truth is that high speed broadband and cellular
networks are spotty in a lot of the country, and
the primary source of safety radio like to know if
the tornado is coming over the radio, and that radio

(02:10:37):
station is overwhelmingly supported by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting
in these places. So if you want to not get
killed by the tornado, you need public broadcasting. And if
you think that it's just a bunch of liberal squishy elmos,
it is not. It is also like the farm forecast

(02:10:58):
for that week, or like you know what's happening at
your local high school, or any of those things.

Speaker 2 (02:11:04):
So you need this.

Speaker 1 (02:11:06):
If you're listening out there, you're hearing my voice, it
is probably because of the technology that is put in
place by the Corporation for Broadcasting.

Speaker 2 (02:11:15):
You need this thing.

Speaker 1 (02:11:17):
Take it away. You're gonna die. That's what's gonna happen.
I can't put it more clearly. Jony Arn's told me
that's how that works, all right. This one's called gay news.

Speaker 2 (02:11:31):
Uh So, here in d C, it is happy news.

Speaker 1 (02:11:35):
It is happy news.

Speaker 2 (02:11:36):
It's very gay.

Speaker 1 (02:11:37):
Here in d C. We have a place called DuPont Circle, Yes,
and it is the center of gay d C. It's
where the neighborhoods, the first neighborhoods where people were sort
of safe to be out and about. It's where a
lot of the gay bars have expanded. Right, there's more

(02:11:58):
gay DC than there used to be, But it used
to be centered around DuPont's Logan Circle now, which is
the next one over, also pretty yang.

Speaker 2 (02:12:07):
But so Pride, World Pride, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (02:12:12):
Talking about regularly, Like we have Pride festivals in DC
every June. It's like a big thing. Everybody gets stressed up.
There's parades, there's specials at the bars, everybody where's rainbows,
the Nats playing rainbow gear. Yeah, everybody likes it. It's
like a big fun thing for everybody. But World Pride,
which is like the worldwide version of this featuring j Loo,

(02:12:34):
is gonna be here in the district. And so they
were like, oh, yeah, well, we're gonna do what we
always do, which is have a party in DuPont Circle.

Speaker 2 (02:12:44):
And then.

Speaker 1 (02:12:46):
Oh no, no, they were told everybody was told that
the Park Service had closed DuPont Circle because in the district,
you have to remember that a lot of things don't
belong to the district. DuPont circles want home belongs to
the Department of Interior. They're like, oh, we were closing
DuPont Circle because the DC Police and the mayor requested

(02:13:09):
us to because they fear violence and vandalism. And then
DC Metro Metro PD was Pam Smith was like, we
didn't say that, We didn't ask you to close that
at all, Like we're we're ready, we were expecting to
staff that. And she used to be park police, so
she's like, I don't know who you're talking to. And
the Mayor's office is like, nah, we definitely didn't do that.

(02:13:32):
Your buddy Zach Parker was like no, and we're gonna
do the festival there. And so then like after a
few hours, like literally a few hours, it turns out
maybe they're not going to close it. But there's no
confirmation on that.

Speaker 2 (02:13:47):
We don't know. There's no confirmation on that.

Speaker 1 (02:13:51):
Nobody could confirm, at least at the time that we're
going to air whether DuPont Circle is closed or not
for the festivities that are planned. I think Saturday, I
think so yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:14:06):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:14:07):
Now, the thing that could derail it is thunderstorms. But
you can be gay in the rain. I hear it
works out fine. So yeah, speaking of gay you know
who Harvey Milk was.

Speaker 2 (02:14:24):
Isn't he a famous? Uh? I don't know what his
what his kind of famous, but I know he's famous.

Speaker 1 (02:14:31):
Brian knows who is Harvey Milk.

Speaker 8 (02:14:34):
He was a former San Francisco. I would like to
say councilmen, but there's.

Speaker 2 (02:14:42):
I think.

Speaker 8 (02:14:43):
No, he was not a mayor.

Speaker 1 (02:14:45):
He was a council city council.

Speaker 8 (02:14:47):
Yeah, so who unfortunately got murdered by his own colleague.

Speaker 3 (02:14:55):
Oh yes, I know exactly this story. Wasn't he Wasn't
he he was murdered. I don't want to say he
was murdered in like the town hall.

Speaker 2 (02:15:04):
Yeah, yeah, in the right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:15:11):
He's also a veteran, was a veteran of the Navy
who was dishonorably discharged from the Navy.

Speaker 10 (02:15:19):
For being gay.

Speaker 2 (02:15:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:15:21):
He was an officer. I mean, he was not just
like some regular sailor. He was he was a I
think a lieutenant. And you know, so he lost his
career and then he went into public service or continued
in public service, I should say, and and lost his
life as a result. Pelosi worked for him and then

(02:15:44):
won his seat when uh, you know, she got into
electoral politics. So, uh, that's who he is.

Speaker 2 (02:15:54):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:15:55):
The Navy is uh, you've heard of the Navy. They
have shared Yeah, it's a great color. They have ships.
They play lacrosse in Annapolis, and they also have ships
that help the other ships. And so if you're like
on an aircraft carrier or battleship or something like that.
We don't have battleships anymore, but like destroyers or whatever,

(02:16:16):
those things need fuel. And the things that bring them
the fuel the tenders they used to be called. They're
called oilers, and they're basically slightly armored up oil tankers
and they can sail along with the ship while it's
underway and refuel it. And they also carry like dry stores,

(02:16:37):
you know, food and all the things that you need
on a ship. So basically they can catch up to
task force right, join the task force, supply, resupply, take
things on, and take things off. They've got helicopter decks
usually on these oilers, where they can vertical resupplies what
they call where they drop them things onto the deck

(02:16:57):
of the aircraft carrier or whatever, and you know, they
exchange a bunch of stuff and then the oiler, you know,
takes off and the chips can continue underway, no problem.

Speaker 2 (02:17:07):
There's a new.

Speaker 1 (02:17:08):
Class of these oilers and it is called the John
Lewis Class of Boilers. And they are named after people
like Thurgood Marshall and Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harriet Tubman
and Dolores Suerta and Caesar Chavez and Lucy Stone and

(02:17:30):
MegaR Evers and all of these civil rights icons. So
in the beginning of Pride Month, which is when we
celebrate gay pride right LGBTQ and all of the other
letters in the alphabet, Pete Hegseth announced, the Navy announced

(02:17:51):
that they were gonna rename the Harvey Milk because they
don't want there to be They said it was divisive.
Here's this quote that is probably the least or the
most nonsensical thing I've ever read. Secretary Hegseth is committed
to ensuring that the names attached to all d D

(02:18:12):
installations and assets are reflective of the Commander in chiefs priorities,
our nation's history, and the warrior ethos. How does having
a boiler named after Harvey Milk affect anything?

Speaker 2 (02:18:27):
And wouldn't he be considered the warrior's Ethos.

Speaker 1 (02:18:30):
He was a navy sailor.

Speaker 8 (02:18:32):
I mean, yeah, I don't like the one that's the
commander in chief because he does that thing.

Speaker 1 (02:18:40):
That's right, Yeah, mister Bonesbur's. Maybe they'll rename it the
Bonesburg that'd be funny. One of the things also that
that I don't know how many people know this, but
there is this like crazy superstition about changing the name
of a ship that you shouldn't do. That you should
never change the name once it's christened. It's called Chris
in that name. That is the ship's name, and if

(02:19:03):
you change it, you could invite all kinds of disaster.
So here we have Pete Head said literally fucking with
America's boats, and the last time anybody did that went
bad for him. Don't fuck with our boats.

Speaker 2 (02:19:22):
Domestic.

Speaker 1 (02:19:24):
Yeah, all right, this one's called Trump beastays eating their own. Now,
initially this story was about how Steven Miller is all
pissed off and punched Elon in the face because he
Elon stole his wife. Essentially, Steven Miller's.

Speaker 2 (02:19:42):
Wife left the White House to go.

Speaker 1 (02:19:44):
That's not in this part of the story. Steven Miller's
wife left her job in the White House to go
work directly for Elon, and then Elon showed up with
a black eye on his right eye and Steven Miller's left,
So you put that together. Elon said that he told
his son to punch him in the face, which sounds
totally likely.

Speaker 2 (02:20:05):
Of course or whatever.

Speaker 3 (02:20:07):
We're Africanic tradition, right, yes, naturally, it's part of their heritage,
not hate.

Speaker 2 (02:20:15):
So but here's what happened.

Speaker 1 (02:20:17):
Steven Miller called all of the regional heads of ICE
to Washington and then dressed them down for not arresting
enough people and deporting them. And he's like, you guys
are aren't touching enough brown people. Quote, they've been threatened,
told they're watching their emails and texting signals. I bet
they're watching their signals. Of course, they're worried. They're all

(02:20:40):
getting get fired. There's no morale. Well good, I'm sure.
I was like, I don't want Ice down morale. Miller
came in there and eviscerated everyone. You guys aren't doing
a good job. You're horrible leaders. He just ripped into everybody.
He had nothing positive to say about anybody. Shot morale down,
said an official who spoke on condition of abandonemit. He
went on to say, Steven Miller, once everybody arrested, why

(02:21:03):
aren't you at home?

Speaker 2 (02:21:04):
People?

Speaker 1 (02:21:04):
Why aren't you at seven eleven? The official recited. So
one of them spoke up and was like, because we're
going after the criminals. And he's like, I don't even
a fuck about the criminals, and like every time we
see home In on TV says we're only going after
the criminals. So that's what we've been doing. And Miller's like,
I don't even a fuck about that. And then Christy

(02:21:25):
Num came in and it's like, you guys are doing
an okay job, but you could be doing a better
job because they're not deporting enough people. Meanwhile, just so
everybody's clear, the reason that ICE can't move more people
is because they don't have enough budget for that. Because
there's like beds, there's deportation that stuff. There's a limit,

(02:21:46):
and they could have had more money to deport more
people if data gone along with the bill that Langford wrote,
but they voted it down because they wanted to juice
the election. I mean, it's like, hooray, good money.

Speaker 2 (02:22:00):
There's money in the big beautiful bill for it.

Speaker 1 (02:22:02):
That's right, sure that hasn't passed yet, which apparently Marge
was all upset because she didn't read any of it. Uh.
And now we've got to to the big fight, which
is that. Oh well, quick aside. The head of FEMA
was like, there's an Atlantic hurricane season.

Speaker 2 (02:22:18):
He didn't know that.

Speaker 13 (02:22:19):
It's pretty funny. Then he said it was a joke.
Wasn't a joke, So that's good, Okay. Elon and Trump
they're fighting. Elon says that the big beautiful bill not beautiful,
not not good.

Speaker 1 (02:22:33):
He says that it is.

Speaker 2 (02:22:36):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (02:22:38):
He says that it's all kinds of terrible and he
wants everybody to destroy it. And then Trump was like,
you just don't like it because it takes away the
subsidies for your electric cars. Well yes, and then Elon
was like, that's not it, but I'm gonna ground all
my rockets that you need for all your satellites and

(02:23:00):
the military and all that. And then Trump was like,
we're going to cancel all your government space contracts and
everything else. And then he was like, well, you're in
the Epstein report and he's like whoa.

Speaker 2 (02:23:10):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:23:11):
So they're in a pull on like Twitter battle, right,
now it's delicious.

Speaker 8 (02:23:16):
So have you been Yeah, I've read, I read, Yeah,
there's I'm trying to bring him up now because it's
some of the I swear it's it's almost like the
CARDI b An offset type of scenario, because those.

Speaker 2 (02:23:34):
Two just do.

Speaker 8 (02:23:35):
Ever since this whole thing came out, so one of
them was this, uh so a report says, I'm like
you said, I'm very disappointed with Elon. It's from Trump.
I've I've helped him a lot. He knew the inner
workings of the bill better than anybody sitting here. He
had no problem with it. All of a sudden he
had a problem, and he only developed the problem. Blah

(02:23:57):
blah blah, must tweeted on his or excuse me on
his platform X false. This bill was never shown to
me even once, and was passed in the dead of night,
so fast that almost no one in Congress could ever
read it. And then another one from Trump's social truth bullshit.

(02:24:17):
He posted, the easiest way to save money in our budget,
billions and billions of dollars, is to terminate Elon's government
subsidies and contracts. I always I was always surprised that
Biden didn't do it, Elon replied, Yes, yeah, Elon replied,

(02:24:38):
in light of the President's statement about cancelation of my
government contracts, space X will begin decommissioning its Dragon spacecraft immediately.

Speaker 2 (02:24:49):
So this thing can bring everybody home from the ISS, right.

Speaker 8 (02:24:56):
So two, all it is to me is just two
big babies. You have a cavative and since you know,
you know, he's out of doge and and all that stuff.
So it's again, these are incompetent people are doing incompetent
jobs and they don't know what the hell are doing.
And all they're doing is fighting over something they don't understand.

Speaker 2 (02:25:18):
So it took this long for them to Yeah, this
is I mean. And it's also.

Speaker 3 (02:25:27):
I guess the really the culture wars are stronger than
I guess. As you're already the richest man in the world,
you don't really care about money. But it does seem
that he would have more care for his companies. And
if you had did the same investment in Kamala Harris,
I think you're talking.

Speaker 2 (02:25:47):
I mean, you could be.

Speaker 3 (02:25:48):
Up another forty billion dollars because you could basically dictate
and let's just say it was.

Speaker 1 (02:25:56):
The same, it would have been positioned to be way
more profitable in a democratic administration.

Speaker 2 (02:26:02):
Yeah, and it's clear he's realized this now.

Speaker 3 (02:26:07):
Yeah, but the problem is going to be is I
don't think there's anything he can do now to regain like.

Speaker 2 (02:26:16):
The liberal the liberal and like I there's been a lot.

Speaker 3 (02:26:19):
Of commentary online about like, well just because he's doing
this shit now I don't like it, it doesn't change
what he's done.

Speaker 2 (02:26:26):
And I think that's going to stick to him. I mean,
the test the price just today was in so.

Speaker 1 (02:26:31):
Tessa stock loss like fifteen percent or something like that,
which is crazy. You know, there's there's already Elon's in
trouble for with shareholders for doing crazy shit and tanking
their investments. You know, here's another example where like his
behavior has harmed like he should.

Speaker 2 (02:26:51):
Be removed, Like you would argue he could be removed
from these Well there was a move to do.

Speaker 1 (02:26:55):
That and he beat it, but you could see that resurfacing.

Speaker 2 (02:26:59):
Yeah, you know he's not holding done with at the
fiduciary responsibility.

Speaker 1 (02:27:04):
Right, yeah, exactly right, So he you know, the board
could could easily cite that as a reason to remove
him and get a vote, but he's so far that
hasn't happened.

Speaker 2 (02:27:13):
It could.

Speaker 1 (02:27:15):
The whole thing is just I mean, it's delicious, right,
It's it's fun watch this, enjoy this, watching them eat
their own you know, we we saw this the whole
first administration, and they were able to kind of keep
it out of the papers until now. Yeah, you know,
for one hundred and fifty days or something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:27:35):
But it is eventually going to break.

Speaker 1 (02:27:37):
Yeah, there's too many We talked about that on this
show several times, that these people are too self interested
and too greedy, and they're eventually going to get into
their own personal stuff and they're gonna fight.

Speaker 2 (02:27:48):
With each other.

Speaker 1 (02:27:49):
Elon and Rubio had it out, you know, Elon and
Vivek had it out in the beginning of Doge. Like,
Elon's pretty toxic. Nobody likes the guy. He's weird, he
does all the drugs, he's he's meaning shitty's or racist.
You know, there's a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (02:28:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:28:03):
Nobody likes Trump. Even the people who say they like
him or work with him, they don't actually like him.
Trump burns everybody that he ever gets close. He uses
everybody up. I thought he was immune to that, and
now he's now he's realizing that he got used and
he's pissed off about it. I don't know what else
to say about it. It's just great.

Speaker 8 (02:28:22):
Yeah, and well, before you get into test, I'm kind
of concerned about the poor South Africans that just got here.
I mean, are they going to be sticking sticking around.

Speaker 2 (02:28:30):
And you know, els of compound in Texas.

Speaker 1 (02:28:35):
There's there's also some chatter about Trump trying to denaturalize
Elon and deport him.

Speaker 2 (02:28:44):
Yeah. Steve Bannon was out today this afternoon with that. Yeah,
he's to nationalize SpaceX uh, which is like.

Speaker 1 (02:28:57):
What that sounds like communism? Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:29:01):
I was like what, okay, yeah, okay, all right, kind
of yeh. But I mean it's.

Speaker 3 (02:29:09):
It's actually kind of scary, right because if Trump decides
to weaponize the government against Elon Musk talk about throwing
a lot of shit in the blender like that. I mean,
there's like, unfortunately, right, the United States government since two
thousand and eight has really allowed a lot of his companies. Right,

(02:29:32):
taxpayers are financed his companies. Right, And again I feel
you want about the man, but he popularized electrical electric vehicles, right,
he made it what it is today, and a lot
of people behind him.

Speaker 2 (02:29:45):
That helps with the charging infrastructure.

Speaker 3 (02:29:47):
Charging this I mean space X the ability for them,
I mean it did just retrieve people from the International
Space Station.

Speaker 2 (02:29:54):
It also I mean these rockets being able to rear. Yeah,
it's very efficient and it works really well. It's I mean,
the SpaceX stuff is monumental for mankind, it is true.

Speaker 3 (02:30:07):
Yeah, And he's gonna shoot himself in the foot by again,
like because you made a very bad bet.

Speaker 1 (02:30:15):
Like, well, he's kind of running into this thing that
like we've talked about with the bundees and the you know,
the gun nuts, and they think that they're somehow going
to fight off the US government. And the problem is
that even Elon, even somebody with that much money, is
a tiny little pawn in the way of the federal government.

Speaker 2 (02:30:34):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:30:35):
And so if Trump wants to use the apparatus a
government for a personal vengeance against Elon Musk, he can
do that pretty easily. And even Elon can't fight back, right. So,
and I think he's coming to terms with that. I mean,
he's we're watching this happen in real time. Last week,
the story was about how depressed he looked in these

(02:30:55):
interviews talking about like Doge was harder than he thought
and all of this now it's it's like, oh man,
you're realizing that you like stirt up a hornet's nest
and you don't have any control over it, and you're
you're like grieving that loss in front of all of
us while you're peeing your pants over all the ketamine

(02:31:15):
that you did. It's like, man, what are we? And
I'm supposed to have joy in like the fall of
my enemies and stuff, but this is very funny, very funny.

Speaker 3 (02:31:30):
It's gonna be economical impacts of this as well too,
Like like his his his fingerprints are all over the
all over this.

Speaker 1 (02:31:39):
And we are we are I want to say entering,
but we're not entering. We're deep in the the f
o part of the the faffo equation and it's gonna
get deeper and it's gonna be devastating. We're gonna find
out tomorrow. It's first Friday tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:31:56):
Yeah, I mean I know that they're not going to
be good.

Speaker 1 (02:32:02):
Well, first time on employments were today and they were
sort of in line with where they have been, so
maybe not.

Speaker 2 (02:32:08):
I don't know. If it's not this one, it'll be
the next one.

Speaker 1 (02:32:12):
It'll be the next one.

Speaker 2 (02:32:13):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (02:32:15):
Well, there you go, So stay tuned to Twitter. You're
gonna have to tune in to watch there, or just
get on Blue Sky and wait for people to the hits.

Speaker 2 (02:32:23):
They'll put the hits. That's what I get with my tiktoks.
I went for people to look at the to send
me the greatest hits. Right.

Speaker 1 (02:32:29):
They might they might screenshot you the choice stuff, right
and put it on on on the Blue Sky. But
one way or the other, stay tuned. It's going to
be great, which means we've come to the end of
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Speaker 2 (02:32:55):
Yes, great interview, great interview.

Speaker 1 (02:32:57):
Yeah, he talked to Boot a lot of things and
I mean, look he did at the accent. It was
cool and we learned a lot so and I feel
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Speaker 2 (02:33:11):
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