October 30, 2025 • 60 mins
Save The Persecuted Christians sponsirs an X Space with Ambassador Morse Tan and Chance Son to discuss the imprisonment of Pastor Son Hyun-bo for speaking out against criminalization of pastoral speech.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Then Moon administration, which is a leftist administration, had banned
church services other than small numbers from being able to gather,
and they kept on meeting in larger, large numbers until
literally the government shut down the building and so they
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kept meeting in the middle of the winter time out
in the yard area outside of the church, and Pastor
Sun was determined to keep meeting throughout that time, which
he and the church did. And Pastor Son was also
the leader who led the fight against the Comprehensive Anti
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Discrimination Bill which included LGBTQ plus sorts of things, and
he literally rallied millions of Korean Christians to oppose that bill,
which was defeated. And when there was a whop in
South Korea through the impeachment and removal of the conservative
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President Yun, Pastor Sun was leading the Save Korea movement
that was fighting to keep President Yun, the duly elected
president of South Korea, in the office to which he
was elected the presidency, but instead and he gathered huge
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numbers of people you can find it online, as they
went to many cities in South Korea. There were these
huge rallies and I was able to join on March first,
at a rally in Judel Plaza where there was an
estimated three hundred and fifty thousand people there gathered. And
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so Pastor Sun has been such a brave leader. I
would describe them as christ Like. I've had the opportunity
to speak several times at his church Chance and I
spent a lot of time together during that span, and
I got to see the whole family up close and personally,
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and I genuinely believe that Pastor's son is a really
christ Like pastor who is so bold in standing up
for the Lord. Just before he was taken in and arrested,
he preached about David. And there was a speaker today
at the event at the Kennedy Center who talked about
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Saul seeing Goliath and saw a giant that was too
big to fight, and David saw Goliath, and he saw
a giant that was too big to miss. And so
here you have Pastor's son, just before he was taken in,
preaching on David and Goliath, and he is truly a
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David standing up to the rising Goliath that is increasingly
oppressing and repressing Korea and its best Christian leaders, whether
in the political realm or whether in the churches, and
he is in jail right now because of that. And
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he if you see the footage of him going to jail,
he is so brave. He's there's not a tinge of
fear in him as he is standing up. And indeed,
he said that if this is what it takes to
let the world know that South Korea is not free,
that he is willing to go to prison. And that's
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where he is right now. And it's you know, Chance
is using his last you know, he has a full
time job like with a tech company, Chance does, and
he's come all the way over from Korea, using the
very last days of his vacation time to be able
to speak out on behalf of his father and also
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for the broader situation that is going on in South Korea.
And you know, my mom was able to join me
on that trip, and gosh, my mom just adores Chance
and thinks that Chances is just marvelous. And so I'm
really glad that Chance is here to join as well.
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And you know, he is gone with the blessing of
the elders of the church and they are keenly looking
for Chance to be able to really have an impact
and make a difference here, and so I'm really glad
that Chance is able to join. And he was there
today in the Kennedy Center as well. He was with
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me at the White House round table yesterday as well.
And you know, this is this is a beautiful Christian family.
And you know, I'll just mention this as an example
of what I saw firsthand. You know, Pastor's son does
not own the car that he drives, he does not
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own the home that he lives in. He has them
owned by the church that he serves in. And he
does this to just be utterly above reproach and clean
and pure. And that is the sort of christ Like
man that Pastor's son is. And so you know, he
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was Special Forces for several years in South Korea. He
is brave as all get out, and he is truly
a godly leader. And so it is it is an
honor to speak out about his situation. And I'm looking
forward to hearing Chance share as his son who grew
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up in that household and is here to speak out
on the opposite of his father and the larger situation
as well.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Amen. And I'm so glad that you brought up that
reference to Saul seeing the giant Goliath as.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Too big to take on, and.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
David saying, oh, he's too big not to take down.
And we are all called to step around the fear.
And what was being said is that fear is an
invitation for each of us to enter in and have victory.
See that Christ himself will bring about the victory. When
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Charlie was killed, we all heard, you know, we instantly
in America. You could hear people turning and saying, but
God will bring good out of this. And now he
is bringing a revival in the United States of America,
and the fire for Christ is amazing. We need that
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same fire for Korea. We need Americans to rally around
Pastor Son and all those Christians in South Korea who's
who are now surveyed and being shadowed by their own government. Chance.
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I had the opportunity to meet you in person today
at the Kennedy Senator and it truly is the providence
of God. His timing could not be better. And you
had a meeting that was canceled and rearranged so that
you could be with us here tonight. And we are
all celebrating with joy, with we're singing with the angels
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that you are able to be with us tonight. Chance,
we lift up your father Hyunbo from the depths of
our heart. We know that you, as his son, are
in agony, knowing that your father is kept from his family,
kept from his congregation, kept from the work that God
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has called him to. But even now God has him
in a place where he will serve the Living Lord
and the Kingdom. Chance, welcome to our space tonight. Know
that you are loved, Know that we are all here
to pray for you, and more than that, we are
going to activate for Korea in America. Chance. Welcome.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Wow, thank you so much. I'm so overwhelmed by this welcome.
Of course, thank you, Ambassador ten. Ever since I first
met you this March, it has been amazing to getting
to know you and also be following up with you
and for the last few days spending more time with you.
You uh yeah, just reminded me of the days that
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we spend in Busan and Isoul as well. And thank
you did and Pastor Greg and also Marty as well.
I am again, I'm so flittered to be able to
share my father's story and also what's going on in
Korea as well. I appreciate this platform.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Thank you. Chance. Tell us about your father, tell us
about the kind of man he is, how he raised
you to be, and and and what it means for
for you to to have your father now as as
this poster child for South Korea's persecution of Christians.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, so, honestly, I don't much.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I don't remember much from my very young age because
the only the one of very few memories that I
have when I was six seven eight years old is
me waking up at ten pm eleven pm every day
with my brother and sister. That's when my parents would
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come back from evangelizing. The village is nearby, and that's
been basically their whole life. And my father has been
serving Sacred Church for the last last thirty three years
and he hasn't even taken a Sebbath year, so he
has been just basically keeping his life to Christ and
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throughout the whole my lifetime being able to witness that.
Of course, my father is a sinner, even though he's
a consider as one of the most prominent Korean Christian
evangelical leader, he is still a human being.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
However, I have never, never, I have not seen a
pastor like my father and my mother as well. So
my mother is not a pastor, but she's basically been
helping out with my father just like a full just
like a full time job, and just being able to
even though they weren't able to spend too much time
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with us day to day, just being able to see
witness what kind of life a faithful Christian and disciples
should be living. That has been basically my testimony and
uh just my desire and my my whole family, including
my older brother and my sister as well, just you know,
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being dedicated to uh be be available and to to
basically sacrifice your life for Christ and also for the
community and for the people around you and also if anything,
for Korean Church as well. So that has been our callings.
And to be honest, so my my older brother is
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a full time professor in a university in Busan. However
he's been helping with my father's ministry a lot. And
also my sister, uh is a vice principal in a school.
And me, to be honest, I was more of a
selfish person, selfish son, just working a corporate you know,
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getting good money in Seoul of course, going back and
forth helping out in my father's ministry, I wasn't as
dedicated to spend time in Busan, even though I was
serving at a very very new founded, newly founded church
UH in Seoul. However, Ever, since the rest of my father,
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I have realized, I've realized the identity as a son
of my father who has been living a faithful life,
giving his life to Christ and as Ambassador Tate briefly
mentioned how my father is living very selfless, selfless, selfless life.
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When I read through the whole forty nine page of
the arrest warrant, one of them stood out to me,
which was because there's nothing to his name, a house,
scar or any asset that he might escape to another
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country or whatever.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So I guess that's something that maybe we can't really.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Say that this is not right, because that is true,
and that's that has been basically my whole family's life.
And yeah, he's just he's just very very talented earth
and he's known and he's known for taking not any
honorarium outside of Pecho Church, which is very rare in
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Korea because yeah, because that's one of the ways to
respect the pastors, the lead pastors, time and resources and everything.
But yes, so he wrote a few books and all
the books revenue has been going to the ministry such
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as a thousand peoples providing a thousand people uh the
cataract surgery every year. So so even if you're not
a Christian, if if even if you're not a church member,
as secular church, you can just send in the receipt
and get it, get the get the money reimbursed and
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providing unlimited rights to whoever they need.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And there are a lot.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Of factories nearby the church, so there are a lot
of workers from other countries like Banglades, Sri Lanka and
other countries. And whenever the church members from other countries
families are visiting, the church would also provide the round
trip tickets and things like that. So my father has
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been very dedicated to serve for the community and for
the people. And until COVID time, he was just known
as a special Forces pastor because to little to give
little more details about you know, how his serving time
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was as special forces. It was under the President Chun
which was a government, a military government, so and he
was in a unit that was dedicated to assassinate king
and so there was no weekend, no free time, also
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it's basically a Monday to Sunday, no free time, and
of course on Sunday there was no freedom of worship. However,
for the first six months, even though he was being
he was getting almost beat to death. Uh, he just
went up to the front whenever there was training on
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Sunday and just just report to them that he's going
to church. And and the first six months he was
getting beat every single day. He wasn't even able to sleep,
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and it was to an extent where he was stolen himself.
So he's not embarrassed to say this during his testimony
because that's why where his heart was regarding the worship
and also fighting against you know, and people that would
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restrict his freedom. And I think that's where he has
been building up his foundation of the roots, you know,
to stand for faith and stand for God. So in
COVID in twenty twenty December, after a few months of
the COVID lockdown, there was COVID nineteen restrictions on worship services,
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deeming that worship is non essential. So there was a
suppression of freedom of religion, speech and assembly to assemble
as well. That was imposed by the left wing administration
of Munjane koreas Obama. Basically, however, Segorary Church continued to
await God's commandment to assemble weekly for worship instead of
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submitting you know, the unconstitutional, illegal, and unsigned fit government
orders framed as guidelines that treated Christian worship as non essential. However,
because Secreto Church were still was still conducting offline service,
of course social distancing. Because the church size itself is
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very big, it can hold up to six thousand and
seven thousand people in the sanctuary, there was a social
distancing wearing masks. However, there are still they could still
hold up to two thousand members. But because there was
that time, during that time the government only allowed five
worshipers in a sanctuary, Secreo Church was literally physically locked down.
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It was there was a rope that was around the church,
so that would prevent even the members to enter. And however,
it was when her time in December January, and even
though the church was shut down, Secret Church still worshiped
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worshiped God outside of the church when it was freezing cold.
I don't know if any of any of any one
of you has been in Korea in the wintertime, but
it gets really, really really cold and six of the
sixteen lawsuits that he's going through right now has been
filed and charged during this time because of worshiping when
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the government told you not to do. And last year
in July, the Supreme Court in Korea allowed the same
sex same sex couple to get benefit of the healthcare
that wasn't that wasn't presented prison precedented and as Koreans
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am I, my father saw what has happened in Taiwan
and the US, he really really felt like he had
to oppose this and mobilize people to oppose this bill.
To This bill is called the comprehensive Anti discrimination Law.
Although in Korea there are over twenty individual anti discriminational law,
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let's say something like you're not allowed to discriminate because
of the disabilities or gender, things like that, and this
comprehensive anti discrimination law is called the walk homosexually the
law because it would restrict pastors and people to say
whether this is simple or not. So that's why my
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father went to the denominational assemblies tearfully asking for help.
And three months later, after the case of the Supreme
Court in October twenty seventh, on October twenty seven, you
guys can go ahead google maybe ten twenty seven United
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Worship and there were a million people gathered in Center
of Soul and also another million online. And many said
that the reason he was able to mobilize that many
people and also United denominations in Korea was because even
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though he started that and he was working really really
hard to unite all the denominations, he wasn't even near
the stage. So I mean, he didn't even try to
get any glory from that event because there were millions
of people participating, and if you're a pastor, you want
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to be there, right, You want to be on the stage.
You want to be in the pulpit being able to
even maybe say a prayer or you know, serve a message. However,
because my father showed the humility and also he really
felt like he wasn't needed there, I think that's the
spirit of secreta Church and that has been the unity,
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the source of the unity and also solidarity as well.
And as many of you might know, last December, the
President Yun had to declare martial law and which ended
in just like a few hours, and my father led
Safe Career movement, mobilizing tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands.
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And to give you more context, the approval rate around
the time was eleven percent for the President un who
was conservative from the Conservative Party. However, in February, the
approval rate went up to fifty one percent. So for
the Democratic government and the Democratic Party, one of the
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biggest threat was my father, so they had to find
any way to shut him down and so that he
couldn't maybe say a word or have any any more
influence over the Korean peninsula or over the Conservatives or
the Christian current Christians. So that's why we believe that
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he has been locked up even though there's no reason
for him to escape or flee because I mentioned earlier,
he's been in the same area for the last thirty
three years without even taking savathier and as I mentioned
earlier as well, he's going through another fifteen lawsuits and
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he's been very cooperative to all the investigations or you know,
he was also very cooperative with answering all the questions
even from the for the journalists that are from very
far left media as well. And so the judicial system
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right now is basically mocking my father and secretary Church
and Korean Korean Church leaders, because you know, as Ambassador shared,
there has.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Been rates to really do a full gospel.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Church in July, far as Far East Broadcast Company in
July as well, and Secretary Church and our home in
May as well. And this is unpresented because you know,
even during the dictatorial government thirty years ago, when there
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are a lot of demonstrations thirty four years ago, sanctuary
were sanctuaries were respected as sanctuaries.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
So even even.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
The demonstrators there were maybe getting violent or whatever when
they hid, when they hid it in the sanctuary, they
would not raid or they would not you know, invade
or get into the century drag him out. Like even
during that time that didn't happen. But this is where
South Korea is heading to. And this is why we
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have to raise our voices. It's been very long me
just you know, chronologically I'm giving you, giving you more contact,
but that's basically what's been happening in Korea.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Chance pastor Greg here, I thank you first of all
for giving us all of that incredible background to understand
your father, to understand his ministry. South Korea has been
a bastion of conservative values. I remember a family friend
that lives over there, writing to me back when we
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were going through some of our more woke moments back
in twenty twenty and saying, you know, we're not experiencing
that over here in South Korea, and it there's the
question to me, how quickly did things shift and was
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there any warning in your mind that there was an
eminent incarceration for your father coming.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It was so.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Pastor Rob McCoy that preached that Saga Church and also
spoke a Bill of Career with Charlie Kirk where my
father met Charlie Kirk. He always says, he always quotes Hemingway,
which is gradually but suddenly, so.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
There there there.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Of course, there are more contexts in terms of how
the letters have been trying really really hard to basically
shift the paradigm for the last decades. But however, I
really believe that Korean church leaders were it was like
it was their duties to speak out in COVID because
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here church was the only uh, you know, so called
megachurch that's that's study stood against the government. However, a
lot of Korean Christian uh, a lot of churches in
Korea were silent.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
And also.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
There when there are very important school boards. UH school
school board elections were superintendent of education in major cities
Korean UH. The Christians are the ones that are there.
Are there were supposed to speak out against the LGBT
agenda that are affecting the education and the curriculum that
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are our children and the next generation will be directly affected. However,
not enough of the church leaders or Christians were speaking out,
I guess, and there were theocrats. UH have been very
successful in framing Korean church as a far right extremist
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if they speak out and if not, they're the good ones,
and also framing the US and Japan as the bad people,
and also frame how when when? While they were framing
North Korea and China are the ones.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
To be loved. Of course they have to love. They
have to be loved.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
But loving doesn't mean accept like letting, letting letting them
do whatever they want. They Loving also means that you
have to UH correct them. And I think that's that's
what's been happening. I believe UH and you know, basically
change the whole atmosphere in Korea.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Thank you, Chance Ambassador Tan. What can we do here
in America to help Pastor Son and his family and others.
What can we be doing here in America? And what
are you doing? I know you had the roundtable yesterday.
Maybe you can tell us a little bit about that
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and how things are going in terms of advocacy here
in Washington, d C. How are you being received by
members of Congress, the administration, and where do you see
pushback coming from in the United States?
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Ambassador Tim Yep, Yeah, So what you all are doing
and others are doing, Praying, I would say, first and
foremost is the most important, because we are crying out
to the King of kings.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And to the Lord of lords, to the one who
is truly almighty and sovereign over it all, and so
prayer is central and foremost in all this. It was
good to hear from people yesterday about how much the
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word is getting through to the White House in regards
to South Korea and China as well for that matter,
and that was really encouraging to hear about that. And
so you know, of course, President Trump called out these
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church raids on August twenty fifth, when the fake, illegitimate
president T J. Jung was coming to meet him. Multiple
times Trump signaled that and he also said that's not acceptable.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
But he also just received a crown from the South
Korean president.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
That's true, reduced to their tariffs.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yes, that is that is also true, and so yeah,
I saw that, like like you all saw that, and so,
but does that mean he's forgotten about these other issues?
I mean this was a trade conference, right APEC is
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a is an economic conference, a trade conference, and so
you know that was his focal point. I suspect that
he is not done addressing these other issues like the
church raids and things along those lines. Secretary of State
Rubio was calling this out and so I think that
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was that was really good to hear and to see.
And I don't think the administration has forgotten This is
an initial step. I don't think that EGM Young is
a reliable or trustworthy partner that at the same time,
I think the administration sees and knows more than what
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it's saying. And at this time around, it was Rubio
who was the main one calling out even as I
understand it, called out what's happening to pastor Sun specifically,
and so that is something that concurrently has been going
on even as Trump came for the trade and economic deal,
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and he has also shown a willingness to use tariffs,
to use trade, to use these economic vast economic power
of the United States for purposes that are beyond merely pecuniary,
merely mercenary sorts of things. For example, in Brazil, he
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jacked up the tariffs to fifty percent because of what
happened to Eduardo Bosonaro, who have thrown into prison, who
was ousted through election fraud. And I don't know if
he knows to what extent the South Korean situation is
parallel to the Brazilian one. And if you see what's
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going on with respect to Maburo and company in Venezuela,
I don't know to what extent he sees the parallels
of how South Korea is moving in a Venezuelan type
of direction. But I think the more he sees that,
the better representative Young Kim in Congress is surprised, and
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is where I think Chance had an opportunity to meet
with represent Kim. I had a chance to do so
as well. Chance was in the State Department a couple
of days ago as well, talking to keep people there.
And I happen to know that the things that I've
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been speaking and the things that I've been sharing publicly
in speeches and through media, has been going through multiple
channels to the White House. And so I should not
name names of who those people are, but there are
multiple lines that are getting to the White House, and
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you know, one of them, for example, said, he literally
is hearing every speech that I give, every media appearance
that I do. And that's kind of a lot to
keep up with. And yet somehow he's doing that, and
is these people are meeting with the Trump White House,
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and so things are getting through. So so I think
communicating to the American people, communicating with our elected leaders
in Congress as well as in the executive branch, trying
to get the word out both for prayer purposes as
well as for action purposes. I think all of these
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things are valuable things that can be done. But first
and foremost is approaching the throne of grace, to find
grace in this time of need where we have people
like Pastor Son in prison right now, as I believe
the Book of Hebrews tells us to care for them
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as if we were in prison with them, and so
we have an opportunity to do that with Pastor Son, who,
by the way, let me also just mention that when
he was beaten within an inch of his life, he
actually ended up leading practically the whole group of soldiers
he was serving with to Christ. That ended up happening. So, uh,
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you know, I do want to I do want to
note that that.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Was thank you so much for revery.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I forgot to.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I forgot to.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, go ahead, Chance tell us the story real quick.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah, that's basically it. And yeah, he was able to
at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Uh yeah, he was able to evangelize the whole unit.
And uh so apparently after six months, one Sunday they
called my father and they told him to get the
uniform ready, uh, to be unique to wear the uniform.
And apparently that's the first Sunday that allowed for him
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to worship uh in special Forces. And the following Sunday
he brought one person behind him one by one. Uh
and that's when people got to enjoy freedom on Sunday.
And also when at the drink. By the end of
the service, Uh yeah, as Massa's and uh yeah said
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he was able to evangelize to whoyt it.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Oh glory be to go ahead.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yes. Let me also mention that one of his books
is called Pastor Evangelism is Easy. Now, a lot of
Christians find evangelism to be hard, but not Pastor's Son.
And I've I've started to read the book and I
haven't gotten through the whole thing. Yet apparently it's easy
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for him and this church. Let me also mention this.
The church started from nothing and no one there was.
And this church started in a place in Busan where
it was not a population center. It was like in
the middle of nowhere. And uh. And yet God has
built this church through evangelism and discipleship and all the
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rest faithful preaching of the Word, et cetera, from nothing
to the thousands who gather there. And so apparently for
Pastor's Son, even getting beaten to within an into his life,
he can write a book called Pastor Evangelism is Easy.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Very true. You know, I wanted to tell you Chance
that save the persecuted Christians. We've we're a US nonprofit
since twenty eighteen, and what we do is we gather
together all of those leaders who are providing aid and
reporting on the plight of persecuted Christians and communities around
the world. Three hundred and eighty million heavily persecuted Christians
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in the top fifty countries according to the World Watch
list put out by Open Doors US each year. And
it's we at save the persecuted Christians pushed return to
worship during COVID. Return to worship, Go back to worship,
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Stand outside of your church doors and pray and be
together and gather in the parking lots. And because during
COVID what we needed most, what we needed most was
our church community and the Gospel, you know, helping us
move through those days of fear that were perpetrated upon
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the world by the CCP and others. We stand with
your Father, truly. We we called to the world and
especially to Christians in America to return to worship. So
I feel such great affinity to your Father who is
now behind bars, suffering for the Gospel. And when we
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are with him there, we hope that our prayers will
reach him even tonight, that he will feel the warmth,
the glow, the presence of Christ with him in his
prison cell. Tonight, I wanted to let everybody know on
the call that up in the nest above all the
pictures of everybody who's on this call tonight, there is
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a document that Chance provided to us, and they don't
have the money for a website right now, so we
put it up on Save the Persecuted Christians. And this
is a timeline and a info sheet on what's happening
in Korea and specifically the case of Pastor hunbunt Son.
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So please do take a look at that link, read that,
share it out, share it out to all of your
family and your communities, to your office pals, and at
the water cooler, talk about this, because what is happening
in South Korea right now is what we would have
faced if President Trump hadn't been a life and we
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didn't have a strong champion for religious freedom in the
White House. What we had in the last administration truly
was the opposite of religious freedom, and so many Christians
and Conservatives in the United States were targeted as Christians
and Conservatives are being targeted now in South Korea. Well,
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thank you so much, Ambassador Tan and Chance for being
here tonight with us. We want to give the opportunity
to our audience to step up onto the stage and
pray for you Chance and Ambassador Tan, the work that
you were about, and most specifically Pastor Hyan boso a
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Son and all of the Christians in South Korea. So
if you want to join the stage and offer a prayer,
We're going to let Pastor Greg Young ask a question
and say a prayer first, but please do go ahead
and let us know that you'd like to speak by
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pressing on the mike at the bottom of your phone
or requesting to speak on your computer, and will know
that you would like to pray with us tonight. Pastor
Greg Young, back over to you.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Thank you, DEDI.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
My question is for Ambassador Tan and just a quick statement.
We are so grateful to President Trump for his emphasis
on religious freedom and his stated purpose of wanting to
make that happen. A number of years ago, a good
friend of mine, Mike Boylan, wrote a book called Circle
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of Influence, talking about how people around influence makers help
them in moving decisions. Who would you suggest are the
greatest circle of influence for this cause that we can
reach out to make contact with and perhaps kind of
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try to help move this to a higher priority.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, thank you for that question. I think the White
House Faith Office has been championing this and so they've
been playing an important role. I think Secretary Rubio and
people in the State Department have been stepping in. You know,
when I was there in May and June leading the
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international election monitoring team, there was my right arm who
was there, John Mills. And John Mills is currently the
Deputy Assistant Secretary dealing with cybersecurity matters, and he is
so convinced and has seen directly what is going on
in South Korea, and he cares deeply about it. And
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I know that behind the scenes that John Mills is
quietly doing a bunch of things that he is not
even at liberty to talk about all the things, but
I know enough from him without being specific, that he
is very actively working behind the scenes along these lines.
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And so there are various people in the administration in
Congress as well. I mentioned Young Kim is one, you know.
Chris Smith has been a champion for a lot of
these sorts of issues for a long time. And there
are others. Mike Johnson was at the reception, Speaker of
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the House. Mike Johnson was at the reception at the
Museum of the Bible just last night. And he's another
one who has basically pledged to help this movement that
is seeking to address persecuted Christians around the world. The
most persecuted group in the world by far. And so
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this is this is something where i've I've I know
some people in the Department of War as well. I
may be meeting with one of them this coming Monday.
And uh, he is playing a key role in the
Department of War two to re christianize the department, if
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you can believe that. And amen, Yeah, and so.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
What was Chris's last name again, Ambassador, who's Chris?
Speaker 1 (45:43):
You mentioned a Chris, which which Chris.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
When you were mentioning young Kim and Chris and Michael
Smith Smith. I just I want to pray for them
specifically when and in here in just a minute, but
I'd like to pray for them specifically, just that the
Lord give them a louder voice and greater opportunity to speak.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yes, maybe so, And if I might just mention as well,
chances mom is not even going home. She's on a
prayer vigil at the church and she is like praying
day night. So you know that's the sort of person
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that she is.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
So of course, can I speak to that for just
a second, just very quickly, just as a word of comfort,
chance for you to share with your mom many years ago.
I had a severe case of epstein bar virus, to
the point that they weren't sure I was going to
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pull out of it. And my wife, a woman of
great faith, we've been married thirty nine years, was praying
night and day and day and night, and the Holy
Spirit came to her and spoke to her, not in
a in a in a a in a comforting way,
and he said, just know I love him more than
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you do. I've got this, and I just want to
encourage you with that.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Thank you so much for encouragement.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
And I'll share that story to my mom and yep,
thank you.
Speaker 5 (47:36):
Let let me let me pray as as as Dedie
asked me to, uh, and and then let us open
the floor for others to pray as well. Father, we
are grateful again to be here tonight. I thank you
for the the courage of Pastor's son who has, as
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has been so clearly evident through the testimony shared tonight,
he has said to Goliath, my God is bigger than you. Lord.
We thank you for that kind of faith. We know, Lord,
that you are able to do exceedingly and abundantly above
all that we can ask or think. According Father God
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to the power that works in us, the Holy Spirit.
We thank you, Father, God Lord, for the opportunity to
call out this evil and this darkness to bring reproof.
I pray, Father God Lord, for Young Kim, for Chris Smith,
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for Mike Johnson, for President Trump, for Chances Mom, for
those in the Department of Faith and the Department of State,
for all of those, for Ambassador to hand and for chance.
Elevate their voices. Elevate their voices, and give those who
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need to have eyes to see and ears to hear,
the eyes to see and the ears to hear. We
come against the power of the enemy and the power
of darkness now by the power of the Holy Blood, Cross,
Resurrection and ascension of the True Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth,
who came in the flesh, And we pull down the
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strongholds in Jesus' name. Amen.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Amen, you know, and we are told in the Word
and Phesians five eleven, take no part in the fruitless
works of darkness. Rather expose them, Lord God, Almighty Jesus,
we are here tonight, your faithful servants. We are here
because you called a You have put South Korea on
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our hearts. You have brought to US Ambassador Morse Tan,
a champion of liberty in the United States, and Chance Son,
who is a family member, the very son of a
pastor imprisoned for his faith in South Korea. Lord, we
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come before you now, and the work of save the
persecuted Christians is to expose this darkness. We thank you
for the opportunity to be with Ambassador Tan and chance
Son tonight, and we ask you, Lord to cover them
with your blood, grant them your mercy, encourage them in
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their struggles, and confirm for them that the victory has
already been one. There is nothing anyone can do to
separate us from your love. Lord Jesus. We are yours
and you are ours, and there is nothing that can
ever come between us. We thank you for this conversation tonight.
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We're sorry that your people suffer, but not sorry that
we suffer for you. Lord God Jesus, you are worthy.
We thank you for this night. And Marty. I don't
know if anybody has asked to speak and pray, but
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I welcome you to open up the stage.
Speaker 7 (51:40):
Yes, we have someone on the stage. Brian p is there.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Would you like to offer a prayer?
Speaker 8 (51:49):
Sure, I would like to pray for everything that's going
on with Chance his Father, and everything going on Korea
as well. Lord, Man, this gathering just through an app
called X where people can get connected. Lord, I'm always
amazed whenever we go overseas or even state to state
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meeting other Christians, and how just the commonality of faith,
the belief that Jesus you are our Lord, and say
you're the one who was the ultimate sacrifice for us.
That goes beyond countries, that goes beyond any race. And Father,
I just want to lift up prayer for Chance his Father,
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the kind of persecution they've gone through and we'll probably
go through in the future as well, Lord, the same
kind of persecution that we're going to go through.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
As just as believers.
Speaker 8 (52:46):
Lord, just for believing that you sent your son to
dineing the cross for us. We've had so many martyrs
in the past dying for the faith. Lord, and yet
you tell us that it's not going to be an
easy in life.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
It's not going to get any easier. But at least, Father,
we can rely.
Speaker 8 (53:07):
On the fact that you gave us the promise of
just being next to you once we pass on from
this earth. And I pray that and I know just
from the stories that Pastor's son also has that confidence
in you, Lord, And I'm sure even right now, despite
all the tough situations that might be going on, Father Lord,
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he can still rejoice in your name. And I'm also
reminded of the passage in Matthew of how even if
you even feed the birds in the skies, but Lord,
you love your children beyond that and that verse. Just daily,
I just have to remind myself that God, no matter
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what happens in the States and Korea, America might fall,
Korea might fall, but still, regardless of that kind of situation,
that we can trust that you love us more than
any creation that you've created on the serve Lord. So
I also pray for everyone in Korea, regardless of politics,
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that those who need to be saved, Lord, that they
are saved through the Holy Spirit. They don't clean onto man.
It's so easy to cling on to what people say
and follow the man rather than the message.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Father.
Speaker 8 (54:29):
I pray that the Holy Spirit comes and through this
situation and the other situations, that there is a revival,
just like how there is a revival going on in America.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
I pray for revival in Korea. And just throughout the world.
Speaker 8 (54:41):
Lord, So I'll end it on their father, everything, everyone
on the stage, and also the leaders that we have
in politics in the church. Lord, guide their steps because
their decisions do are important, and also guide our steps
because our decisions affect everyone close to us as well. Still,
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so yeah, with that being said, I'll Father, I lift
everything in your name, in your son's name, Jesus Christ, Ama, Amen.
Speaker 5 (55:13):
Beautiful, Amen, thank you Brian. That was lovely, Yes, so.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Beautiful, hidd if.
Speaker 7 (55:20):
I just want to take a second to let everybody
know about November fourth, It's an International Day of Prayer
and we will be hosting another Space cry Out International
Day of Prayer with our co host d D. Pastor
Young and our wonderful Faith McDonald and people from around
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the globe coming together to pray. So please join us
November fourth at twelve o'clock Eastern time. And Ambassador Chance,
thank you so much for the honor of hosting you
all this evening. You will remain in our prayers as
we cry out for South Korea.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
Our voices will be louder.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Amen.
Speaker 6 (56:10):
Thank you so much, Thank you, thank you all for
being here tonight.
Speaker 5 (56:13):
Thank you Chance, God bless you.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
We're praying for you. God bless and good night, God
bless everyone. Thank you for joining. Bye, good night, good night.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Eight.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
Hey hey, well that was weird. It just suddenly
Speaker 7 (59:51):
Dropped four
Then Moon administration, which is a leftist administration, had banned
church services other than small numbers from being able to gather,
and they kept on meeting in larger, large numbers until
literally the government shut down the building and so they
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kept meeting in the middle of the winter time out
in the yard area outside of the church, and Pastor
Sun was determined to keep meeting throughout that time, which
he and the church did. And Pastor Son was also
the leader who led the fight against the Comprehensive Anti
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Discrimination Bill which included LGBTQ plus sorts of things, and
he literally rallied millions of Korean Christians to oppose that bill,
which was defeated. And when there was a whop in
South Korea through the impeachment and removal of the conservative
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President Yun, Pastor Sun was leading the Save Korea movement
that was fighting to keep President Yun, the duly elected
president of South Korea, in the office to which he
was elected the presidency, but instead and he gathered huge
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numbers of people you can find it online, as they
went to many cities in South Korea. There were these
huge rallies and I was able to join on March first,
at a rally in Judel Plaza where there was an
estimated three hundred and fifty thousand people there gathered. And
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so Pastor Sun has been such a brave leader. I
would describe them as christ Like. I've had the opportunity
to speak several times at his church Chance and I
spent a lot of time together during that span, and
I got to see the whole family up close and personally,
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and I genuinely believe that Pastor's son is a really
christ Like pastor who is so bold in standing up
for the Lord. Just before he was taken in and arrested,
he preached about David. And there was a speaker today
at the event at the Kennedy Center who talked about
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Saul seeing Goliath and saw a giant that was too
big to fight, and David saw Goliath, and he saw
a giant that was too big to miss. And so
here you have Pastor's son, just before he was taken in,
preaching on David and Goliath, and he is truly a
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David standing up to the rising Goliath that is increasingly
oppressing and repressing Korea and its best Christian leaders, whether
in the political realm or whether in the churches, and
he is in jail right now because of that. And
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he if you see the footage of him going to jail,
he is so brave. He's there's not a tinge of
fear in him as he is standing up. And indeed,
he said that if this is what it takes to
let the world know that South Korea is not free,
that he is willing to go to prison. And that's
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where he is right now. And it's you know, Chance
is using his last you know, he has a full
time job like with a tech company, Chance does, and
he's come all the way over from Korea, using the
very last days of his vacation time to be able
to speak out on behalf of his father and also
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for the broader situation that is going on in South Korea.
And you know, my mom was able to join me
on that trip, and gosh, my mom just adores Chance
and thinks that Chances is just marvelous. And so I'm
really glad that Chance is here to join as well.
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And you know, he is gone with the blessing of
the elders of the church and they are keenly looking
for Chance to be able to really have an impact
and make a difference here, and so I'm really glad
that Chance is able to join. And he was there
today in the Kennedy Center as well. He was with
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me at the White House round table yesterday as well.
And you know, this is this is a beautiful Christian family.
And you know, I'll just mention this as an example
of what I saw firsthand. You know, Pastor's son does
not own the car that he drives, he does not
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own the home that he lives in. He has them
owned by the church that he serves in. And he
does this to just be utterly above reproach and clean
and pure. And that is the sort of christ Like
man that Pastor's son is. And so you know, he
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was Special Forces for several years in South Korea. He
is brave as all get out, and he is truly
a godly leader. And so it is it is an
honor to speak out about his situation. And I'm looking
forward to hearing Chance share as his son who grew
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up in that household and is here to speak out
on the opposite of his father and the larger situation
as well.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Amen. And I'm so glad that you brought up that
reference to Saul seeing the giant Goliath as.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Too big to take on, and.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
David saying, oh, he's too big not to take down.
And we are all called to step around the fear.
And what was being said is that fear is an
invitation for each of us to enter in and have victory.
See that Christ himself will bring about the victory. When
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Charlie was killed, we all heard, you know, we instantly
in America. You could hear people turning and saying, but
God will bring good out of this. And now he
is bringing a revival in the United States of America,
and the fire for Christ is amazing. We need that
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same fire for Korea. We need Americans to rally around
Pastor Son and all those Christians in South Korea who's
who are now surveyed and being shadowed by their own government. Chance.
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I had the opportunity to meet you in person today
at the Kennedy Senator and it truly is the providence
of God. His timing could not be better. And you
had a meeting that was canceled and rearranged so that
you could be with us here tonight. And we are
all celebrating with joy, with we're singing with the angels
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that you are able to be with us tonight. Chance,
we lift up your father Hyunbo from the depths of
our heart. We know that you, as his son, are
in agony, knowing that your father is kept from his family,
kept from his congregation, kept from the work that God
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has called him to. But even now God has him
in a place where he will serve the Living Lord
and the Kingdom. Chance, welcome to our space tonight. Know
that you are loved, Know that we are all here
to pray for you, and more than that, we are
going to activate for Korea in America. Chance. Welcome.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Wow, thank you so much. I'm so overwhelmed by this welcome.
Of course, thank you, Ambassador ten. Ever since I first
met you this March, it has been amazing to getting
to know you and also be following up with you
and for the last few days spending more time with you.
You uh yeah, just reminded me of the days that
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we spend in Busan and Isoul as well. And thank
you did and Pastor Greg and also Marty as well.
I am again, I'm so flittered to be able to
share my father's story and also what's going on in
Korea as well. I appreciate this platform.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Thank you. Chance. Tell us about your father, tell us
about the kind of man he is, how he raised
you to be, and and and what it means for
for you to to have your father now as as
this poster child for South Korea's persecution of Christians.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, so, honestly, I don't much.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I don't remember much from my very young age because
the only the one of very few memories that I
have when I was six seven eight years old is
me waking up at ten pm eleven pm every day
with my brother and sister. That's when my parents would
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come back from evangelizing. The village is nearby, and that's
been basically their whole life. And my father has been
serving Sacred Church for the last last thirty three years
and he hasn't even taken a Sebbath year, so he
has been just basically keeping his life to Christ and
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throughout the whole my lifetime being able to witness that.
Of course, my father is a sinner, even though he's
a consider as one of the most prominent Korean Christian
evangelical leader, he is still a human being.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Right.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
However, I have never, never, I have not seen a
pastor like my father and my mother as well. So
my mother is not a pastor, but she's basically been
helping out with my father just like a full just
like a full time job, and just being able to
even though they weren't able to spend too much time
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with us day to day, just being able to see
witness what kind of life a faithful Christian and disciples
should be living. That has been basically my testimony and
uh just my desire and my my whole family, including
my older brother and my sister as well, just you know,
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being dedicated to uh be be available and to to
basically sacrifice your life for Christ and also for the
community and for the people around you and also if anything,
for Korean Church as well. So that has been our callings.
And to be honest, so my my older brother is
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a full time professor in a university in Busan. However
he's been helping with my father's ministry a lot. And
also my sister, uh is a vice principal in a school.
And me, to be honest, I was more of a
selfish person, selfish son, just working a corporate you know,
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getting good money in Seoul of course, going back and
forth helping out in my father's ministry, I wasn't as
dedicated to spend time in Busan, even though I was
serving at a very very new founded, newly founded church
UH in Seoul. However, Ever, since the rest of my father,
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I have realized, I've realized the identity as a son
of my father who has been living a faithful life,
giving his life to Christ and as Ambassador Tate briefly
mentioned how my father is living very selfless, selfless, selfless life.
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When I read through the whole forty nine page of
the arrest warrant, one of them stood out to me,
which was because there's nothing to his name, a house,
scar or any asset that he might escape to another
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country or whatever.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So I guess that's something that maybe we can't really.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Say that this is not right, because that is true,
and that's that has been basically my whole family's life.
And yeah, he's just he's just very very talented earth
and he's known and he's known for taking not any
honorarium outside of Pecho Church, which is very rare in
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Korea because yeah, because that's one of the ways to
respect the pastors, the lead pastors, time and resources and everything.
But yes, so he wrote a few books and all
the books revenue has been going to the ministry such
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as a thousand peoples providing a thousand people uh the
cataract surgery every year. So so even if you're not
a Christian, if if even if you're not a church member,
as secular church, you can just send in the receipt
and get it, get the get the money reimbursed and
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providing unlimited rights to whoever they need.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And there are a lot.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Of factories nearby the church, so there are a lot
of workers from other countries like Banglades, Sri Lanka and
other countries. And whenever the church members from other countries
families are visiting, the church would also provide the round
trip tickets and things like that. So my father has
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been very dedicated to serve for the community and for
the people. And until COVID time, he was just known
as a special Forces pastor because to little to give
little more details about you know, how his serving time
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was as special forces. It was under the President Chun
which was a government, a military government, so and he
was in a unit that was dedicated to assassinate king
and so there was no weekend, no free time, also
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it's basically a Monday to Sunday, no free time, and
of course on Sunday there was no freedom of worship. However,
for the first six months, even though he was being
he was getting almost beat to death. Uh, he just
went up to the front whenever there was training on
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Sunday and just just report to them that he's going
to church. And and the first six months he was
getting beat every single day. He wasn't even able to sleep,
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and it was to an extent where he was stolen himself.
So he's not embarrassed to say this during his testimony
because that's why where his heart was regarding the worship
and also fighting against you know, and people that would
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restrict his freedom. And I think that's where he has
been building up his foundation of the roots, you know,
to stand for faith and stand for God. So in
COVID in twenty twenty December, after a few months of
the COVID lockdown, there was COVID nineteen restrictions on worship services,
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deeming that worship is non essential. So there was a
suppression of freedom of religion, speech and assembly to assemble
as well. That was imposed by the left wing administration
of Munjane koreas Obama. Basically, however, Segorary Church continued to
await God's commandment to assemble weekly for worship instead of
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submitting you know, the unconstitutional, illegal, and unsigned fit government
orders framed as guidelines that treated Christian worship as non essential. However,
because Secreto Church were still was still conducting offline service,
of course social distancing. Because the church size itself is
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very big, it can hold up to six thousand and
seven thousand people in the sanctuary, there was a social
distancing wearing masks. However, there are still they could still
hold up to two thousand members. But because there was
that time, during that time the government only allowed five
worshipers in a sanctuary, Secreo Church was literally physically locked down.
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It was there was a rope that was around the church,
so that would prevent even the members to enter. And however,
it was when her time in December January, and even
though the church was shut down, Secret Church still worshiped
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worshiped God outside of the church when it was freezing cold.
I don't know if any of any of any one
of you has been in Korea in the wintertime, but
it gets really, really really cold and six of the
sixteen lawsuits that he's going through right now has been
filed and charged during this time because of worshiping when
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the government told you not to do. And last year
in July, the Supreme Court in Korea allowed the same
sex same sex couple to get benefit of the healthcare
that wasn't that wasn't presented prison precedented and as Koreans
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am I, my father saw what has happened in Taiwan
and the US, he really really felt like he had
to oppose this and mobilize people to oppose this bill.
To This bill is called the comprehensive Anti discrimination Law.
Although in Korea there are over twenty individual anti discriminational law,
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let's say something like you're not allowed to discriminate because
of the disabilities or gender, things like that, and this
comprehensive anti discrimination law is called the walk homosexually the
law because it would restrict pastors and people to say
whether this is simple or not. So that's why my
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father went to the denominational assemblies tearfully asking for help.
And three months later, after the case of the Supreme
Court in October twenty seventh, on October twenty seven, you
guys can go ahead google maybe ten twenty seven United
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Worship and there were a million people gathered in Center
of Soul and also another million online. And many said
that the reason he was able to mobilize that many
people and also United denominations in Korea was because even
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though he started that and he was working really really
hard to unite all the denominations, he wasn't even near
the stage. So I mean, he didn't even try to
get any glory from that event because there were millions
of people participating, and if you're a pastor, you want
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to be there, right, You want to be on the stage.
You want to be in the pulpit being able to
even maybe say a prayer or you know, serve a message. However,
because my father showed the humility and also he really
felt like he wasn't needed there, I think that's the
spirit of secreta Church and that has been the unity,
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the source of the unity and also solidarity as well.
And as many of you might know, last December, the
President Yun had to declare martial law and which ended
in just like a few hours, and my father led
Safe Career movement, mobilizing tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands.
(22:42):
And to give you more context, the approval rate around
the time was eleven percent for the President un who
was conservative from the Conservative Party. However, in February, the
approval rate went up to fifty one percent. So for
the Democratic government and the Democratic Party, one of the
(23:03):
biggest threat was my father, so they had to find
any way to shut him down and so that he
couldn't maybe say a word or have any any more
influence over the Korean peninsula or over the Conservatives or
the Christian current Christians. So that's why we believe that
(23:24):
he has been locked up even though there's no reason
for him to escape or flee because I mentioned earlier,
he's been in the same area for the last thirty
three years without even taking savathier and as I mentioned
earlier as well, he's going through another fifteen lawsuits and
(23:47):
he's been very cooperative to all the investigations or you know,
he was also very cooperative with answering all the questions
even from the for the journalists that are from very
far left media as well. And so the judicial system
(24:07):
right now is basically mocking my father and secretary Church
and Korean Korean Church leaders, because you know, as Ambassador shared,
there has.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Been rates to really do a full gospel.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Church in July, far as Far East Broadcast Company in
July as well, and Secretary Church and our home in
May as well. And this is unpresented because you know,
even during the dictatorial government thirty years ago, when there
(24:41):
are a lot of demonstrations thirty four years ago, sanctuary
were sanctuaries were respected as sanctuaries.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
So even even.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
The demonstrators there were maybe getting violent or whatever when
they hid, when they hid it in the sanctuary, they
would not raid or they would not you know, invade
or get into the century drag him out. Like even
during that time that didn't happen. But this is where
South Korea is heading to. And this is why we
(25:13):
have to raise our voices. It's been very long me
just you know, chronologically I'm giving you, giving you more contact,
but that's basically what's been happening in Korea.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Chance pastor Greg here, I thank you first of all
for giving us all of that incredible background to understand
your father, to understand his ministry. South Korea has been
a bastion of conservative values. I remember a family friend
that lives over there, writing to me back when we
(25:49):
were going through some of our more woke moments back
in twenty twenty and saying, you know, we're not experiencing
that over here in South Korea, and it there's the
question to me, how quickly did things shift and was
(26:10):
there any warning in your mind that there was an
eminent incarceration for your father coming.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It was so.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Pastor Rob McCoy that preached that Saga Church and also
spoke a Bill of Career with Charlie Kirk where my
father met Charlie Kirk. He always says, he always quotes Hemingway,
which is gradually but suddenly, so.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
There there there.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Of course, there are more contexts in terms of how
the letters have been trying really really hard to basically
shift the paradigm for the last decades. But however, I
really believe that Korean church leaders were it was like
it was their duties to speak out in COVID because
(27:08):
here church was the only uh, you know, so called
megachurch that's that's study stood against the government. However, a
lot of Korean Christian uh, a lot of churches in
Korea were silent.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
And also.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
There when there are very important school boards. UH school
school board elections were superintendent of education in major cities
Korean UH. The Christians are the ones that are there.
Are there were supposed to speak out against the LGBT
agenda that are affecting the education and the curriculum that
(27:46):
are our children and the next generation will be directly affected. However,
not enough of the church leaders or Christians were speaking out,
I guess, and there were theocrats. UH have been very
successful in framing Korean church as a far right extremist
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if they speak out and if not, they're the good ones,
and also framing the US and Japan as the bad people,
and also frame how when when? While they were framing
North Korea and China are the ones.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
To be loved. Of course they have to love. They
have to be loved.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
But loving doesn't mean accept like letting, letting letting them
do whatever they want. They Loving also means that you
have to UH correct them. And I think that's that's
what's been happening. I believe UH and you know, basically
change the whole atmosphere in Korea.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Thank you, Chance Ambassador Tan. What can we do here
in America to help Pastor Son and his family and others.
What can we be doing here in America? And what
are you doing? I know you had the roundtable yesterday.
Maybe you can tell us a little bit about that
(29:15):
and how things are going in terms of advocacy here
in Washington, d C. How are you being received by
members of Congress, the administration, and where do you see
pushback coming from in the United States?
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Ambassador Tim Yep, Yeah, So what you all are doing
and others are doing, Praying, I would say, first and
foremost is the most important, because we are crying out
to the King of kings.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And to the Lord of lords, to the one who
is truly almighty and sovereign over it all, and so
prayer is central and foremost in all this. It was
good to hear from people yesterday about how much the
(30:12):
word is getting through to the White House in regards
to South Korea and China as well for that matter,
and that was really encouraging to hear about that. And
so you know, of course, President Trump called out these
(30:32):
church raids on August twenty fifth, when the fake, illegitimate
president T J. Jung was coming to meet him. Multiple
times Trump signaled that and he also said that's not acceptable.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
But he also just received a crown from the South
Korean president.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
That's true, reduced to their tariffs.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yes, that is that is also true, and so yeah,
I saw that, like like you all saw that, and so,
but does that mean he's forgotten about these other issues?
I mean this was a trade conference, right APEC is
(31:24):
a is an economic conference, a trade conference, and so
you know that was his focal point. I suspect that
he is not done addressing these other issues like the
church raids and things along those lines. Secretary of State
Rubio was calling this out and so I think that
(31:50):
was that was really good to hear and to see.
And I don't think the administration has forgotten This is
an initial step. I don't think that EGM Young is
a reliable or trustworthy partner that at the same time,
I think the administration sees and knows more than what
(32:14):
it's saying. And at this time around, it was Rubio
who was the main one calling out even as I
understand it, called out what's happening to pastor Sun specifically,
and so that is something that concurrently has been going
on even as Trump came for the trade and economic deal,
(32:39):
and he has also shown a willingness to use tariffs,
to use trade, to use these economic vast economic power
of the United States for purposes that are beyond merely pecuniary,
merely mercenary sorts of things. For example, in Brazil, he
(33:01):
jacked up the tariffs to fifty percent because of what
happened to Eduardo Bosonaro, who have thrown into prison, who
was ousted through election fraud. And I don't know if
he knows to what extent the South Korean situation is
parallel to the Brazilian one. And if you see what's
(33:22):
going on with respect to Maburo and company in Venezuela,
I don't know to what extent he sees the parallels
of how South Korea is moving in a Venezuelan type
of direction. But I think the more he sees that,
the better representative Young Kim in Congress is surprised, and
(33:49):
is where I think Chance had an opportunity to meet
with represent Kim. I had a chance to do so
as well. Chance was in the State Department a couple
of days ago as well, talking to keep people there.
And I happen to know that the things that I've
(34:12):
been speaking and the things that I've been sharing publicly
in speeches and through media, has been going through multiple
channels to the White House. And so I should not
name names of who those people are, but there are
multiple lines that are getting to the White House, and
(34:35):
you know, one of them, for example, said, he literally
is hearing every speech that I give, every media appearance
that I do. And that's kind of a lot to
keep up with. And yet somehow he's doing that, and
is these people are meeting with the Trump White House,
(34:57):
and so things are getting through. So so I think
communicating to the American people, communicating with our elected leaders
in Congress as well as in the executive branch, trying
to get the word out both for prayer purposes as
well as for action purposes. I think all of these
(35:19):
things are valuable things that can be done. But first
and foremost is approaching the throne of grace, to find
grace in this time of need where we have people
like Pastor Son in prison right now, as I believe
the Book of Hebrews tells us to care for them
(35:43):
as if we were in prison with them, and so
we have an opportunity to do that with Pastor Son, who,
by the way, let me also just mention that when
he was beaten within an inch of his life, he
actually ended up leading practically the whole group of soldiers
he was serving with to Christ. That ended up happening. So, uh,
(36:07):
you know, I do want to I do want to
note that that.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Was thank you so much for revery.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I forgot to.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
I forgot to.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, go ahead, Chance tell us the story real quick.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah, that's basically it. And yeah, he was able to
at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Uh yeah, he was able to evangelize the whole unit.
And uh so apparently after six months, one Sunday they
called my father and they told him to get the
uniform ready, uh, to be unique to wear the uniform.
And apparently that's the first Sunday that allowed for him
(36:51):
to worship uh in special Forces. And the following Sunday
he brought one person behind him one by one. Uh
and that's when people got to enjoy freedom on Sunday.
And also when at the drink. By the end of
the service, Uh yeah, as Massa's and uh yeah said
(37:15):
he was able to evangelize to whoyt it.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Oh glory be to go ahead.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yes. Let me also mention that one of his books
is called Pastor Evangelism is Easy. Now, a lot of
Christians find evangelism to be hard, but not Pastor's Son.
And I've I've started to read the book and I
haven't gotten through the whole thing. Yet apparently it's easy
(37:42):
for him and this church. Let me also mention this.
The church started from nothing and no one there was.
And this church started in a place in Busan where
it was not a population center. It was like in
the middle of nowhere. And uh. And yet God has
built this church through evangelism and discipleship and all the
(38:05):
rest faithful preaching of the Word, et cetera, from nothing
to the thousands who gather there. And so apparently for
Pastor's Son, even getting beaten to within an into his life,
he can write a book called Pastor Evangelism is Easy.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Very true. You know, I wanted to tell you Chance
that save the persecuted Christians. We've we're a US nonprofit
since twenty eighteen, and what we do is we gather
together all of those leaders who are providing aid and
reporting on the plight of persecuted Christians and communities around
the world. Three hundred and eighty million heavily persecuted Christians
(38:53):
in the top fifty countries according to the World Watch
list put out by Open Doors US each year. And
it's we at save the persecuted Christians pushed return to
worship during COVID. Return to worship, Go back to worship,
(39:13):
Stand outside of your church doors and pray and be
together and gather in the parking lots. And because during
COVID what we needed most, what we needed most was
our church community and the Gospel, you know, helping us
move through those days of fear that were perpetrated upon
(39:34):
the world by the CCP and others. We stand with
your Father, truly. We we called to the world and
especially to Christians in America to return to worship. So
I feel such great affinity to your Father who is
now behind bars, suffering for the Gospel. And when we
(39:56):
are with him there, we hope that our prayers will
reach him even tonight, that he will feel the warmth,
the glow, the presence of Christ with him in his
prison cell. Tonight, I wanted to let everybody know on
the call that up in the nest above all the
pictures of everybody who's on this call tonight, there is
(40:16):
a document that Chance provided to us, and they don't
have the money for a website right now, so we
put it up on Save the Persecuted Christians. And this
is a timeline and a info sheet on what's happening
in Korea and specifically the case of Pastor hunbunt Son.
(40:38):
So please do take a look at that link, read that,
share it out, share it out to all of your
family and your communities, to your office pals, and at
the water cooler, talk about this, because what is happening
in South Korea right now is what we would have
faced if President Trump hadn't been a life and we
(41:00):
didn't have a strong champion for religious freedom in the
White House. What we had in the last administration truly
was the opposite of religious freedom, and so many Christians
and Conservatives in the United States were targeted as Christians
and Conservatives are being targeted now in South Korea. Well,
(41:23):
thank you so much, Ambassador Tan and Chance for being
here tonight with us. We want to give the opportunity
to our audience to step up onto the stage and
pray for you Chance and Ambassador Tan, the work that
you were about, and most specifically Pastor Hyan boso a
(41:45):
Son and all of the Christians in South Korea. So
if you want to join the stage and offer a prayer,
We're going to let Pastor Greg Young ask a question
and say a prayer first, but please do go ahead
and let us know that you'd like to speak by
(42:06):
pressing on the mike at the bottom of your phone
or requesting to speak on your computer, and will know
that you would like to pray with us tonight. Pastor
Greg Young, back over to you.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Thank you, DEDI.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
My question is for Ambassador Tan and just a quick statement.
We are so grateful to President Trump for his emphasis
on religious freedom and his stated purpose of wanting to
make that happen. A number of years ago, a good
friend of mine, Mike Boylan, wrote a book called Circle
(42:42):
of Influence, talking about how people around influence makers help
them in moving decisions. Who would you suggest are the
greatest circle of influence for this cause that we can
reach out to make contact with and perhaps kind of
(43:07):
try to help move this to a higher priority.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, thank you for that question. I think the White
House Faith Office has been championing this and so they've
been playing an important role. I think Secretary Rubio and
people in the State Department have been stepping in. You know,
when I was there in May and June leading the
(43:37):
international election monitoring team, there was my right arm who
was there, John Mills. And John Mills is currently the
Deputy Assistant Secretary dealing with cybersecurity matters, and he is
so convinced and has seen directly what is going on
in South Korea, and he cares deeply about it. And
(44:01):
I know that behind the scenes that John Mills is
quietly doing a bunch of things that he is not
even at liberty to talk about all the things, but
I know enough from him without being specific, that he
is very actively working behind the scenes along these lines.
(44:23):
And so there are various people in the administration in
Congress as well. I mentioned Young Kim is one, you know.
Chris Smith has been a champion for a lot of
these sorts of issues for a long time. And there
are others. Mike Johnson was at the reception, Speaker of
(44:45):
the House. Mike Johnson was at the reception at the
Museum of the Bible just last night. And he's another
one who has basically pledged to help this movement that
is seeking to address persecuted Christians around the world. The
most persecuted group in the world by far. And so
(45:06):
this is this is something where i've I've I know
some people in the Department of War as well. I
may be meeting with one of them this coming Monday.
And uh, he is playing a key role in the
Department of War two to re christianize the department, if
(45:32):
you can believe that. And amen, Yeah, and so.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
What was Chris's last name again, Ambassador, who's Chris?
Speaker 1 (45:43):
You mentioned a Chris, which which Chris.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
When you were mentioning young Kim and Chris and Michael
Smith Smith. I just I want to pray for them
specifically when and in here in just a minute, but
I'd like to pray for them specifically, just that the
Lord give them a louder voice and greater opportunity to speak.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yes, maybe so, And if I might just mention as well,
chances mom is not even going home. She's on a
prayer vigil at the church and she is like praying
day night. So you know that's the sort of person
(46:30):
that she is.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
So of course, can I speak to that for just
a second, just very quickly, just as a word of comfort,
chance for you to share with your mom many years ago.
I had a severe case of epstein bar virus, to
the point that they weren't sure I was going to
(46:52):
pull out of it. And my wife, a woman of
great faith, we've been married thirty nine years, was praying
night and day and day and night, and the Holy
Spirit came to her and spoke to her, not in
a in a in a a in a comforting way,
and he said, just know I love him more than
(47:18):
you do. I've got this, and I just want to
encourage you with that.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Thank you so much for encouragement.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
And I'll share that story to my mom and yep,
thank you.
Speaker 5 (47:36):
Let let me let me pray as as as Dedie
asked me to, uh, and and then let us open
the floor for others to pray as well. Father, we
are grateful again to be here tonight. I thank you
for the the courage of Pastor's son who has, as
(48:01):
has been so clearly evident through the testimony shared tonight,
he has said to Goliath, my God is bigger than you. Lord.
We thank you for that kind of faith. We know, Lord,
that you are able to do exceedingly and abundantly above
all that we can ask or think. According Father God
(48:25):
to the power that works in us, the Holy Spirit.
We thank you, Father, God Lord, for the opportunity to
call out this evil and this darkness to bring reproof.
I pray, Father God Lord, for Young Kim, for Chris Smith,
(48:46):
for Mike Johnson, for President Trump, for Chances Mom, for
those in the Department of Faith and the Department of State,
for all of those, for Ambassador to hand and for chance.
Elevate their voices. Elevate their voices, and give those who
(49:11):
need to have eyes to see and ears to hear,
the eyes to see and the ears to hear. We
come against the power of the enemy and the power
of darkness now by the power of the Holy Blood, Cross,
Resurrection and ascension of the True Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth,
who came in the flesh, And we pull down the
(49:35):
strongholds in Jesus' name. Amen.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Amen, you know, and we are told in the Word
and Phesians five eleven, take no part in the fruitless
works of darkness. Rather expose them, Lord God, Almighty Jesus,
we are here tonight, your faithful servants. We are here
because you called a You have put South Korea on
(50:03):
our hearts. You have brought to US Ambassador Morse Tan,
a champion of liberty in the United States, and Chance Son,
who is a family member, the very son of a
pastor imprisoned for his faith in South Korea. Lord, we
(50:24):
come before you now, and the work of save the
persecuted Christians is to expose this darkness. We thank you
for the opportunity to be with Ambassador Tan and chance
Son tonight, and we ask you, Lord to cover them
with your blood, grant them your mercy, encourage them in
(50:50):
their struggles, and confirm for them that the victory has
already been one. There is nothing anyone can do to
separate us from your love. Lord Jesus. We are yours
and you are ours, and there is nothing that can
ever come between us. We thank you for this conversation tonight.
(51:15):
We're sorry that your people suffer, but not sorry that
we suffer for you. Lord God Jesus, you are worthy.
We thank you for this night. And Marty. I don't
know if anybody has asked to speak and pray, but
(51:38):
I welcome you to open up the stage.
Speaker 7 (51:40):
Yes, we have someone on the stage. Brian p is there.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Would you like to offer a prayer?
Speaker 8 (51:49):
Sure, I would like to pray for everything that's going
on with Chance his Father, and everything going on Korea
as well. Lord, Man, this gathering just through an app
called X where people can get connected. Lord, I'm always
amazed whenever we go overseas or even state to state
(52:11):
meeting other Christians, and how just the commonality of faith,
the belief that Jesus you are our Lord, and say
you're the one who was the ultimate sacrifice for us.
That goes beyond countries, that goes beyond any race. And Father,
I just want to lift up prayer for Chance his Father,
(52:37):
the kind of persecution they've gone through and we'll probably
go through in the future as well, Lord, the same
kind of persecution that we're going to go through.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
As just as believers.
Speaker 8 (52:46):
Lord, just for believing that you sent your son to
dineing the cross for us. We've had so many martyrs
in the past dying for the faith. Lord, and yet
you tell us that it's not going to be an
easy in life.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
It's not going to get any easier. But at least, Father,
we can rely.
Speaker 8 (53:07):
On the fact that you gave us the promise of
just being next to you once we pass on from
this earth. And I pray that and I know just
from the stories that Pastor's son also has that confidence
in you, Lord, And I'm sure even right now, despite
all the tough situations that might be going on, Father Lord,
(53:30):
he can still rejoice in your name. And I'm also
reminded of the passage in Matthew of how even if
you even feed the birds in the skies, but Lord,
you love your children beyond that and that verse. Just daily,
I just have to remind myself that God, no matter
(53:51):
what happens in the States and Korea, America might fall,
Korea might fall, but still, regardless of that kind of situation,
that we can trust that you love us more than
any creation that you've created on the serve Lord. So
I also pray for everyone in Korea, regardless of politics,
(54:16):
that those who need to be saved, Lord, that they
are saved through the Holy Spirit. They don't clean onto man.
It's so easy to cling on to what people say
and follow the man rather than the message.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Father.
Speaker 8 (54:29):
I pray that the Holy Spirit comes and through this
situation and the other situations, that there is a revival,
just like how there is a revival going on in America.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
I pray for revival in Korea. And just throughout the world.
Speaker 8 (54:41):
Lord, So I'll end it on their father, everything, everyone
on the stage, and also the leaders that we have
in politics in the church. Lord, guide their steps because
their decisions do are important, and also guide our steps
because our decisions affect everyone close to us as well. Still,
(55:05):
so yeah, with that being said, I'll Father, I lift
everything in your name, in your son's name, Jesus Christ, Ama, Amen.
Speaker 5 (55:13):
Beautiful, Amen, thank you Brian. That was lovely, Yes, so.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Beautiful, hidd if.
Speaker 7 (55:20):
I just want to take a second to let everybody
know about November fourth, It's an International Day of Prayer
and we will be hosting another Space cry Out International
Day of Prayer with our co host d D. Pastor
Young and our wonderful Faith McDonald and people from around
(55:43):
the globe coming together to pray. So please join us
November fourth at twelve o'clock Eastern time. And Ambassador Chance,
thank you so much for the honor of hosting you
all this evening. You will remain in our prayers as
we cry out for South Korea.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
Our voices will be louder.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Amen.
Speaker 6 (56:10):
Thank you so much, Thank you, thank you all for
being here tonight.
Speaker 5 (56:13):
Thank you Chance, God bless you.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
We're praying for you. God bless and good night, God
bless everyone. Thank you for joining. Bye, good night, good night.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Eight.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
Hey hey, well that was weird. It just suddenly
Speaker 7 (59:51):
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