January 23, 2025 • 35 mins
Join us on Voices of Legacy as we sit down with Bishop Larry G. Mack, Jr., a dynamic leader, trailblazer, and Senior Pastor of Greater Dreams Church in Wayne, Michigan. With a ministry that spans the globe, Bishop Mack shares his journey of faith, his passion for global humanitarian outreach, and his mission to inspire through conferences, media, and thought leadership forums.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Welcome to the Voices of the Legacy. I'm Pastor Carl
and my guest today, which I'm very excited about having
him none other than the Venerable Bishop Larry G.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Mac. What's the G four gene gene? Okay? And he's
a junior.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
He's a dynamic leader and trailblazer entrepreneur who serves as
senior pastor of Greater Dreams Church in Wayne, Michigan.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Is that right, Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
He's well a thoughtful leader who carries out the mission
throughout a range of channels in ministry, both global humanitarian outreach,
inspirational conference series, media and entertainment venues across the world.
Through his leadership forms, he's been able to effect effectively
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rather carry the message of Jesus Christ in love to
many many people. With his influence felled across the globe,
Bishop Mac has dedicated his life to spreading the Gospel
of Jesus Christ. He's a reflected figure in the Christian
community and has shared his message of numerous over numerous
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platforms including global conferences, university campus and so forth. Bishop
mac has also hosted multiple television shows on TCT network.
What does TCT stand for?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Again on Total Christian Television. That's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
With a reach that spans over seventy three million viewers
in one hundred and seventy two nations. Bishop Mac's academic
credentials are well unequaled and impressive, having earned a doctorate
in theology from Harvard International in Finley.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Harvest. I said Harvard, Lord, my grandmother was bragging on
me one time, said my baby went to Harvard. I
didn't say that. I just let him say it. We're
correcting that today. UH.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
And a master's and Christian counseling from the School of
the Bible of Theology Seminary University. Bishop mac is a
member of Trigga t r i g A, The Redeemed
International Gospel Assembly, an organization that covers hundreds of churches globally.
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His current residence in Michigan with his wife, beautiful wife,
Miss Regina, Pastor Regina, Minister of Regina Regina, their two daughters, UH,
and their son.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Ethan, which we're gonna talk about that a little bit today.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Bishop Mack's dedication to family, ministry and community has been
evident over the years of his service. Good morning, mister
Larry Max.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Thank you so much. Good morning, sir. Yeah, tell us
a little bit about yourself that I didn't Well, I'm
finishing my PhD in life coaching. Oh wow, I'm working
on probably about five books right now. At the same time,
trying to really just leave a legacy, you know, leave
a deposit in the earth, so when you put something
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in print, generally is there forever. So that's one thing
we're doing. And then just trying to enjoy being fifty
five and the father of a young man that's three
years old. Now we had him since he was two
days old. Wow, And this morning he just was running
around the house. He said, Daddy, we boys, you know,
And I said, yeah, man, because I had two girls,
so now having a son, it's just fun, you know.
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So now your girls they're twenty three and twenty six.
Oh yeah, wow, you're strutting all over. How does that feel? Oh,
it's really wonderful. It's challenging at times, but I wouldn't
trade it for the world. You know. Well, since we're there,
could you share some of the challenges of your son.
You know, he was you know, he was adopted at two.
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We were foster parents, or our foster parents, so we
had about two or three young men before, but their
family got their lives together. And then they gave us
a call about a young man that was abandoned by
his mother.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And so we went to the hospital when he was
two days old and we just said boy, and my
son is blond and blue eyes, you know, and I
remember when we brought when we brought them home. Well, really,
let me tell you this, though, the situation was really
grim for him. They said that he can't come home
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with us for like two months. But he was able
to come home with us in less than fourteen days
because every day we held them and we prayed for him,
and you know, just gave him kinesthetic tactile stimulation just
a fancy word to say, a hug and touching him
and loving him for four to six hours every day,
and he came home with us in less than fourteen days.
So he's been with us at home since, and you know,
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it's just been really wonderful just watching him grow and
being a father all over again. Carrying diaper bags and
I'm glad the diaper bag is almost over because you know,
he's three. So still every once in a while we
got to pack something for him. But it's amazing. It's
it's one of the greatest feelings. Like like a person
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that never adopted wouldn't know this. But I'm not for
sure how it is if you have adopted a child
that's a teenager or something like that. But when you
adopt the child, especially young like this, I can't tell
no difference of the love that I have for him.
You know, he's a Mac now, you know when I
take him to school. I took him to school this morning.
I was like, Hey, who's daddy's favorite guy in the world.
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He says, Ethan Nicholas Mac, you know. And so it's
such a wonderful, filling, awesome, awesome. He looks like he
has a lot of energy. Oh, how do you know
he does? Yeah, he does. He just he just he
gets up happy, smiling. You know, Daddy, you want to
play with me? You know. I'm like, man, I'm tired
right now. And then so I usually I said, you
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got fifteen minutes because we got to go to school.
So I usually set the alarm. He hears it goes off.
Then he's mad, I don't want to go to cool,
you know, and so and then in the morning a
nighttime he only wants to be with his mother period.
You know, he don't even say good night to me.
He just mama's boy right in the daytime, is daddy, daddy, daddy?
You know? Awesome?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So what would be your suggestion to someone that's looking
to adoptor foster.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I think, you know, you have an opportunity to change
the course of someone's life, and it's a sacrifice, but
it's worth a sacrifice because I can see where Ethan
would have been had not he been with us, you know. So,
but then we're you know, when you're older, you're a
better parent. Sometimes you wish you could be a grandparent
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before you are a parent. So you only have by
two years, so you're still relatively young. Yeah, and younger. Yeah, Okay,
what I'm saying is, you know, right now we parent
better than we did. Yes, that's true. So so my
son I know where he should be and so, like
I could be hard on him in some areas because
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I wanted them to be disciplined. I want them to
be a preacher. I want them to be president. So
I'm trying to train him early and so, you know,
and then his little mind be thinking. And his teachers
even said he has a good vocabulary, he said, Ethan's vocabulary.
You know, when you got older parents, you kind of
talk different to your child when you do. So it's
just it's one of those things that you should embrace
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the moment and do it. You know. Like I was,
I was in Paris and and this lady had a
Caucasian child. She's she was from Nigeria something like that,
and I said, hey, is that your child? I said,
because my son is Caucasian. You know. She said, why
did you do that? You know whatever, she said, I'm
just babysitting, you know. So sometimes people can be ugly.
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You know. My wife has you know, Regina mac she
has a I don't know what you call it, but
it's on Instagram. She has almost a million hits on
videos of our son. And so people say certain things,
you know, because it's pretty consistent when you see a family,
a Caucasian family that has a black baby, so you
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just kind of get used to that. But when you
see a black family having a white baby, you get
a lot of looks, right, you know, so you know,
I had to share with my wife. Don't even let
it bother you. Hey, it's not normal really, you know,
so just you know, just live it out, you know,
and so I embrace it all, you know, absolutely, I
think you should do it though. I think people should
do it because there's a lot of kids out there
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that need a parent, that need somebody. You know. All
it is is a little love and discipline. It sounds
like a huge teachable moment from your family to the
world of the blessing of humanity and caring for people
outside of the expectations of others. You know, it does.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It doesn't matter what you look like, matters that you're
a human being and that child, that baby needed care
and you guys supplied it. That's an awesome, awesome blessing.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You know. I'm trying to find a language to tell
him he's adopted. You don't know what that means, but
I know it's not time yet. But because of his race,
he's going to know earlier, you know, then a child
that you know that that's of the same race. So
it I worry about that. I think about it because
I love this guy with all my heart and he's
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my guy. He's blood of my blood, bone of my bone,
spirit of my spirit. I mean, he's everything to me.
And I would become anything he needed to make him comfortable.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Wow, Well, I don't have to get the clean ex
for me today. Can you share the inspiration as we
switch gears a little bit? And thank you so much
for sharing that, the inspiration behind the founding of Greater
Dreams Church and how it has a involved in the
last fifteen years or so.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Amen. Well, when I was I believe in prayer. I
believe in praying in the spirit a lot of hours.
That the Scripture says he that speaks in an unknown
tongue speaks not unto man, but to God. How be
it in the spirit he speaks mysteries. So when you're
praying that those mysteries, you're actually praying your future. My
mentor Dave Roberson had taught me those principles early on.
So I was nineteen twenty twenty one, doctor Sam you
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know a great friend of mine. We've been known each
other about thirty five years now, something like that, And
so I used to take his lunch money in high school,
even though he was older. But that's a whole nother story.
So in the midst of prayer, I had woke up,
fell asleep praying, and then I woke up and I
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fell back to sleep again, and I saw a book
that said greater than Dreams dot Com, you know, right,
So when I saw that it was a motivational type
of book, you know. Thus, one of my classes I
had in you know, working on my PhD in life
coaching was it. Really It's kind of like God taught
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me all the principles of life coaching because it was like,
like education means actually to draw out. It's not the
putting on. You're drawing out of something that's someone that's
already in them. So this literally was like something drawing
out of me. And I really begin to cry because
there was like a harmonic resonance with this book. And
I didn't know I am in the right direction because
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I love seeing people win. I love people. I love
seeing dreams come the pass in the lives of people.
That's that's my real passion right there. And so in
the midst of all this, when it came time for
me to start a church because I had to obey God,
I was in disobedience for like ten years, running sir.
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You know, I really wasn't running. It's just that I
just wanted to do things decently in order, and you know,
I was with a church for many years and I
had to do something different. And you know, I was
preaching in Mexico. When I got back from Mexico, it
had been ten years later since God told me to
start Greater Dreams. And I said, you know, I'm going
to start it. I'm going to do it. I'm almosbay you.
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I'm not going to fast, not going to pray. I'm
just gonna simply obey you, you know. And it was
difficult because I didn't have a plan. B you know,
I have been in the ministry full time, and then
when I started it, it was scary, you know, but
God showed up for me. But this is a kicker though.
Now I'm seeing the fruit of what Greater Dreams is.
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It's helping people reach their God given dreams. So when
you come to our church, every message is going to
be some type of inspiration toward you becoming everything CHRISTI
is in you, to you and through you. So I
believe in you know, this is a belief that I
believe is clearly written in the scripture. When Jesus says
he says go into all nations. Isaiah says that all
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nations are going to come into the mountain of the Lord,
meaning that the church is supposed to have influence in
the world. See, the world has influence, but I believe
God came to redeem his man and his land, and
to me, that's the seven spheres of influence. Also, I'm
talking about, you know, the family. We're supposed to have
influence in the family that you can see in today's
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day the family is turning different because the Church is
not in a place is supposed to be. The second
thing is not just family, but religion, you know, not religion,
but a relationship with God. And so we're supposed to
lead when it comes to that type of thing. And
then you have media. Were supposed to media. We have
art and entertainment, we have sports, politics, in every sphere
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of influence, we should be in those moments. Because the
earth is the Lord's. He didn't give it to Satan
at all. It belongs to the Lord. The greatest influence
in the earth is supposed to be us. That's why
Jesus says, occupy until I come, Let Thy Kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven.
So we're supposed to dominate the world, not the world
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dominate us. And so my heart's passion is to help
people reach not just their dream, but the dream that's
given to them by God. And so in serving humanity
with it doesn't necessarily mean that everybody become a multi millionaire.
But I do believe that we should put kingdom first.
And so whether that lays it lays A good example
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is you know, like when you got George Washington Carver,
many people don't know that he was a man of God.
He prayed four hours a day and all his ideas
he had gotten from God. But then yet at the
same time, he didn't allow his color, his race to
hinder him. He didn't care what you thought about him,
is what he thought about himself. So he didn't get
into those type of altercations when it came to race situations.
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But so he had so much influence that Edison Ford
asked him to work for him, but he said, I
got to help the poor people that are in the South.
If he was all about me, myself and I the
Unholy Trimity Trinity, then he would have took that money
and took that job. But he was about helping people.
And I believe when you put the kingdom first, God
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supplies all your needs all the time, and so he
uses gifts to help people, and of course he had
benefit from it, and of course he ate from the
crumbs to the table. There was a time when Booker T.
Washington was nervous because they had stored up so many
peanuts and now we're starting to smell in the area,
and the powers that be were saying, we're gonna do
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something really bad. You're gonna kick you off this campus
whatever unless you do something about it. And George Washington
Carver ended up coming to work today because at that
time he started working for him at the University Tuscadee Institute.
And this is what he said. He said, George, we're
in a situation. You got to help us, you know,
He said, Man, what is it? He said, we got
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all these peanuts? He said, you know, you know, speaking
of that, God spoke to me this morning about peanuts.
He said, God, talk to you. Because he thought he
was going cuckoo because of hearing voices. Then he's like,
what did he say? He said, well, he had showed
me about different things that you can do with a peanut.
I asked them for the secrets of the universe. He
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said today, George, I'm gonna tell you the secrets are
inside of a peanut. And so he had over three
hundred inventions as a result of that conversation that he
had with God, and then he caused a brand new industry.
I mean, remember Fourst. Gump in the movie when he
said shrimp and potatoes, gumbo shrimp. But you know it
was like peanut butter, peanut oil, you know. So it
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was all types of inventions that came out from one
man's relationship with God. And I'm saying that to say
he had influence, yes.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Or that influence brings out the potential in people and
he helped them be what they're created to be.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Everybody has a bliss, that thing that's in you that
you desire to do, and I want to help bring
that out. I want to help you realize an actual
actualize your God given dreams. That's greater dreams. Yes, awesome.
I guess that was a long way to say that's
why I started the church.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I believe that's inspirational, and in that, I guess the
economy of different means of getting that message across. You've
put your pinky toe into television and multimedia is that?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
So it is?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Your television show on TCT network has reached an audience
of about one hundred and seventy two nations.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Ninety three million people. Wow. Actually, in that I never
had my own show. I have did hosting, hosting, hosted
shows on TCT, hosted shows for Doctor Garth, hosted shows
called as the Pastor. I still do Ask the Pastor
now because they love yeah and so yeah, I had
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a great time doing it. I started doing it as
an a a co host, and then I started Then
an opportunity came up for me to host. Then I
started hosting. And how's that global platform affected your ministry? Well, TCT,
you know, like some places I go, people recognize me,
you know, because it's a TCT reaches a different genre
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of people, you know, so it's not necessarily reaching you see,
My ministry is mixed, you know, like I believe in
the Kingdom, So it's not black or white. It's all races,
all ages, all social economic backgrounds. So TCT did me good,
but maybe other people that have more of an Afro
centric type of flair, it wouldn't be that influential for them.
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So because I operate the way I do I think
it caused doors to open up for me. But then
at the same time people recognize me. But like when
it comes to me in Africa. You know, I just
got back from Pretoria, Africa. I was in Pertorio, Africa. You'nesburg,
then Zombie we did conference. There was in Ethiopia, and
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then I came back, had to go do some ministery
in Mexico. So this month was November was a very
busy month for me. But those doors started about maybe
fifteen years ago. Just one visit, you know, and then
you know, you could be waxing on and waxing off.
You know what I mean when I say that you're
going through this process that you don't know that you
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don't even know that it has significance. And I'm in
this series called Can I Have My Coat Back? And
it's really dealing with the Three Coats of Joseph. But
then this part of process, when I looked at the coats,
you got the dream, the dream coat, the favorite coat.
But then they's taken from you and now you can't
get your favorite from outward exterior circumstance. Now you have
to get your favor from God. Now, So it pushed
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him to go inward and he lost everything because God
wants to get all the glory right. So like you
can be in that place with your servants robe, which
is a very important learning, how to serve before you lead,
and you're waxing on, waxing off. And so I did
that for years. Then a young man or older guy
came to my church who was from Africa, Apostle uch
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Into BC, who was the president of the redeem in
the International Gospel of Sentatry where I am a bishop
in that organization. I never saw him from Adam, but
I gave him a prophetic word and it spoke to
his dream and it spoke he said, man, you don't
even know me, you know. And then so he said,
want you to come to Africa with me? So he
went to Africa. That opened up that door. Then I
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noticed that people were preachers and five foul ministry gifts
was follow me everywhere I preach, and I'm like, what's
going on? You know, I didn't know why they were
doing it. And so the last meeting, this older bishop
named Bishop Nelson, he introduced me. He said, this guy,
he says, I've been preaching the gospel for over forty
five years and studying his Bible every time he preaches.
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I learned something that I've never known before, and I
might have read that scripture a thousand times, and I
got scared. I was like, oh, man, I can't make
this magic happen, you know. So I'm trying the Holy ghosts.
And so I remember getting behind the pull pit. The
Holy Spirit came upon me and gave me something fresh
and new. And then I realized that I was waxing on,
waxing off being a servant in my cave, in my pit,
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not understanding the revelation and insight that got was given
me and preparing it, preparing me. And then in that
moment it exploded, how do you balance your your entrepreneurial
ventures and your pastoral duties and family. That's you know,
it's difficult to balance that, you know, really because something
you just got to go through. Seasons. To me, for me,
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seasons work. But like even in Africa, this last time
with my son, we FaceTime a lot. So it's twenty
in the morning. I still got to get up at
six in the morning, but I'm talking to him at
twenty morning because it's important to me, and we're playing
and I'm acting, you know, with him, you know, and
then you know you got to sacrifice some sleep sometime,
you know, and then you trust the Holy Spirit, you know,
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to do what he needs to do in those conferences
and those meetings, you know. But and then you know
when it comes time to spend time with my wife.
I try to be in the moment. I didn't used
to be, but now I learned to be in the moment.
And that how moments are precious, you know. Like for example,
I had went through a season like in twenty twenty three,
I said, I'm turning pro, you know, And so I
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don't want to be an amateur with my life anymore.
Amateur the Latin word where amateur comes from. It means
to do it for love, and love is fickled. It's
up and down. I feel love, I don't feel love,
you know whatever. But when you turn pro, you show
up every day. Yeah, And so twenty twenty three was
my year, said I said I'm turning pro. So I
was wearhing two o seven, I went down one seventy eight.
I started studying masculinity and feminicity. I wanted to know
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the dynamic between chemistry and how come two people cannot
love each other the whole life long. So I start studying.
I spent probably that year about ten thousand dollars on
my body and my mind as it retains to being
a man, being a father, being a husband. And so
in those classes, I became very affective. Begin to teach
our men that to at a church however, like for example,
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you know, a female, excuse me if you're offended, but
a female will argue, you know, yeah, real high, right,
And so me not having a father in my life,
because if you don't have a father, you don't have discipline.
They know how many prisons to build based upon how
many children grow up in a household without a male
influence by the time they're eighteen. So at the same time,
because of that, you've got people in prison because they're emotional.
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When you don't have a father in your life, you
are more emotional, right, You make emotional decisions. And so
when my wife would maybe raise a voice or something,
I'll raise my voice too. And so then when I
do that, I'm not going to like the feminine. And
so what I have to learn to do through those
classes is try to keep it in my masculine. The
masculine stays calm even though the feminine goes high. And
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always tell my men when they go hi, we go low. Right,
just cheap it there because you feel safe, you know,
she feels like you can handle me. She feels like
she's covered. And so I learn how to spend time
with her and allow her to vent right, and then
be in the moment with her, and then just still
be calm and don't even argue back, but just talk
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to her right, And then you know when I usually
be on my phone or something, so with her, I
can't even be on my phone. If we're driving in
a car, I can't be on the phone. If she's driving,
I can't be on the phone, right, But if I'm driving,
she can be on the phone. If she can be
on the phone anytimes you want to, which I don't
think is fair. But let me tell you something. I've
been around the world, and all women are the same, right,
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everybody cracks up, right, you know. So because I study
the female species when it comes to my wife, I'm
getting better at being in the moment and making her
feel important. Because I may think I'm spending time with her,
but if she don't feel like I am, then I'm not.
And so when it comes to my son, I know
the importance of being with him, so I give them
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those moments when we wrestle, you know. And I got Matt.
We were pretending. I said, you beat the daddy, I'd
be this, and then he's being a daddy. He said,
I said, Daddy, can we play with me? He says, no, son,
are going to go to work, you know, And so
that hurt me. Yeah. So now when he wants to play, said,
I'm gonna give you ten minutes a day or I'm
gonna give you thirty minutes, you know. So I'll set
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the timer and we go wrestle. Because I learned through
study that when you wrestle with your son, he feels
loved right. So I don't know why, but he acts
like he's t Rex. He knows all the dinosaurs too,
and he wrestles with me and then we're like going,
He's cracking up, laughing, and so I try to be
in those fun moments just like that, taking advantage of
every moment. Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So that would actually answer the other question as well
as balance. What advice would you offer young leaders aspiring
to make a global impact in their uh, through their
faith and through their work, through whatever God's called them
to do.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
You know this is important to me. If I had
to do it over again, I would. If you could,
if you could, if you could not be needy emotionally
needing someone to love you. See, my mother had when
she was fourteen, and she wanted me to be independent
because her mother died when she was twelve, and her
grandmother died she was twelve, so she had no influence,
and so she had me at fourteen. But she thought
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she's going to die early because the two matrixes in
her life died early. So she didn't want me to
be dependent upon anybody. So she raised me very independent,
but in that she didn't show me much affection. So
when I grew up, I needed it, I wanted it.
And then when you need something, you're you're not attractive,
so you got to learn how to balance that. So
my advice to someone young is do things in the
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right season. Don't rush to get married. Learn who you
are because you choose the wrong person because you don't
even know who you are. You don't even know your
gifts you're telling you don't know even where you fit,
and you want somebody in your life that compliments that. Right,
and then so and then don't marry your luss. Marry
someone that will help you with the objectives that you have.
And then learn at Scoregate and how to grow love
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in friendship. So this is the final thing. We get
my education. First, I would I would if I could
go to Harvard. I go to Harvard. I can go
to Cambridge. I go to Cambridge. I'll pay that price
and sacrifice because the more effective you are, the more
stable you are. As you begin to grow, the more
attractive you'll become, and you'll be able to choose at
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a higher level. And I just happen to choose good,
you know, But still I would, I would work on
me first. You know, a guy can live in a
car and go to college. I mean, you don't have
to take care of a family and try to pursue purpose. Hmm.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
You hit on a lot of points, and I almost
I feel like I need to buy your book before
it's written.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Now you said you had a book. That's well, you know,
I got some smaller books. One's called inches is talking
about really I call it ace. You know, your awareness
of yourself, then confidence, and then then you want to
learn how to grow as a leader and faith and expectancy.
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And so it's really called inch and it's really dealing
with self awareness, is dealing with confidence, and it's dealing
with I forget the E because I did it, wrote
this book a long time ago. But it has to
do with developing you personally in these areas and then
if you do this, it'll affect everything out here. And
so it's simple, but it's called inches. Just do a
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little bit at a time, right, But I'm working on
the reason why everything is on hold because I have
to finish this book that I promised God I do.
And it's really dealing with I know it's a popular subject,
but it's called the it's not called the Power of
Confession because I didn't name it that, but it's dealing
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with when I had a crisis in my life and
I needed God to show up, I had nobody to
turn to but him. And then I learned that you
don't give from God what you believe. You get from God.
You don't give from God what you deserve. You give
from God what you believe. Right. And then so like
when I was in Haitia, I was preaching this on
the secular radio station, and I dealt with how to
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woman issue. Blood had touched him of his garment, and
Jesus said, a woman, your faith has made you hole right,
So you got to develop your faith. And so and
I learned through the power of confession that you're not
twisting guard God's hand. You're doing the John six twenty
nine thing when he says, this is the work of
God that you believe. So you got to do the
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work to believe what Jesus Christ did for you on
the cross. So I began to confess it over and
over again, twenty to thirty minutes, three times a day,
every day. And as far as getting out of debt
and stuff like that. My God supplies all my needs
according to in Glory Christ Jesus. For I know the
grace of Jesus Christ. He dirict for me became poor.
That Methro was poverty. My buery just memorized it and
used it as a weapon. And I didn't know my
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mind was being renewed to it and opened up brand
new channels in my brain to really because as a
man thinks in his heart, so is he. So it
took that long from the drop twelve inches from my
mind to my heart, and when it dropped, I felt
faith come around me, and I knew what has been
was not what shall be. My situation about to change right.
And so one of the first things that happened is
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this guy was selling a car for four thy five
hundred dollars. Because I've been confessing that word like that,
the words are speaking to you, the locost turns into
a rama, a right now word, and the Holy Spirit
spoke out of that. And he said to me, he said,
this guy, take four hundred dollars for that car. I
didn't have the guts to tell him that I had
eight hundred bucks. I said, eight hundred dollars for his car.
The guy said the cars wereth sixty five hundred dollars.
I'm telling you for forty five hundred, and you're getting
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a good deal. I said, well, if you change your mind,
here's my number. I walked away and says, see God,
I told you. If he didn't take eight hundred, he
want to go take four hundred. Right. He called me
the next day he said, I'll take the eight hundred dollars.
After I bought the car, he says to me, I
says to him, Why are you selling a car? He said,
I just graduated with my PhD In medicine. I'm from India.
My playing leaves today at three o'clock. You're the only
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person that offered me anything for my car. Wow. Then
I took that car and sold it for thirty five
hundred and I put pressure toward my problem. I tithe
said an offering. I was helping Rick Renner build a
church in Russia. And then I bust my men of
God and I put the rest to court my bills
in Within eighteen months, I was debt free. That's why
it's important for me to write this book to teach
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people exactly how it works. I can give you testimony,
the testimony how God may things manifest in my life.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Wow. Sound was like faith to me a well. The
final question of today. We've covered a lot of ground,
a lot of information looking ahead as well as looking
to the past. What do you think your legacy is?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Part one? And what would you like for it to be?
You know, I would like if I could choose it.
I would love to see my son pastor in Greater
Dreams Church. Wow. And I have other spiritual sons pastoring
other churches that we plant and seeing my girls really blossom.
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My daughter wants to be a veterinarian, and my daughter's
a businesswman, but she's a speaker, so she probably end
up pastoring one day. I would love to. I would
love to impart as a legacy to get people to
not just know about God, but to know Him in
that prayer life and what it really means to have
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a real relationship with God and not a religious experience,
you know. So that's my biggest heart, that you can
know him and he's available and you can have much
of him as you want. But the enemy fights that.
You know. You got to pay that every day. You
got to seek after him. You go through seasons where
you don't feel like you prayed in a while, and
you get back at it. You know, God sits in
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heaven Psalms fourteen to two, looks down upon the children
of men to see if there's anybody that seeks after him.
So just teaching people how to seek after God for
real and knowing his voice and how to be led
by him, how to be guided by him, that's a
major legacy. Sounds like experiencing the benefits for you. The benefits, Yes,
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that's it and the major benefit is him. Yes, he
will stoop down to our level and he will connect
to our self engrandizement, or if you are flesh. He said, Abraham,
follow me, man, I'm gonna make you great. I'm gonna
make you famous. Come on, that's that's colonel right. But
then he started walking with him, and then the question
came up. He's like, God, all I want is you,
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you know. So he knows how good he is, and
so he'll appeal to our lower nature to bring us
to a higher place. Awesome, awesome, Thank you so much
for being with us today. It's been amazing. Thank you
for being with me too. Thank you so much. I
appreciate that. Man. And how can they follow you? Just
you can go to mygdc dot org and that's our
website and then you can follow Larry G. Mac Jr.
(33:39):
On Larry G. Mac Jr. On Facebook and YouTube look
up doctor Larry Mack and it's easy to find us
all over the world. Well, you know, we're missing Germany
a little bit. I've been to Germany. We're not in
Germany yet, been to Dubai. Were not like we don't
have the influence, but Brazil yet in the continent of Africa. Awesome, awesome, awesome, Thank.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
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Welcome to the Voices of the Legacy. I'm Pastor Carl
and my guest today, which I'm very excited about having
him none other than the Venerable Bishop Larry G.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Mac. What's the G four gene gene? Okay? And he's
a junior.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
He's a dynamic leader and trailblazer entrepreneur who serves as
senior pastor of Greater Dreams Church in Wayne, Michigan.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Is that right, Yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
He's well a thoughtful leader who carries out the mission
throughout a range of channels in ministry, both global humanitarian outreach,
inspirational conference series, media and entertainment venues across the world.
Through his leadership forms, he's been able to effect effectively
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rather carry the message of Jesus Christ in love to
many many people. With his influence felled across the globe,
Bishop Mac has dedicated his life to spreading the Gospel
of Jesus Christ. He's a reflected figure in the Christian
community and has shared his message of numerous over numerous
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platforms including global conferences, university campus and so forth. Bishop
mac has also hosted multiple television shows on TCT network.
What does TCT stand for?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Again on Total Christian Television. That's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
With a reach that spans over seventy three million viewers
in one hundred and seventy two nations. Bishop Mac's academic
credentials are well unequaled and impressive, having earned a doctorate
in theology from Harvard International in Finley.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Harvest. I said Harvard, Lord, my grandmother was bragging on
me one time, said my baby went to Harvard. I
didn't say that. I just let him say it. We're
correcting that today. UH.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
And a master's and Christian counseling from the School of
the Bible of Theology Seminary University. Bishop mac is a
member of Trigga t r i g A, The Redeemed
International Gospel Assembly, an organization that covers hundreds of churches globally.
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His current residence in Michigan with his wife, beautiful wife,
Miss Regina, Pastor Regina, Minister of Regina Regina, their two daughters, UH,
and their son.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Ethan, which we're gonna talk about that a little bit today.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Bishop Mack's dedication to family, ministry and community has been
evident over the years of his service. Good morning, mister
Larry Max.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Thank you so much. Good morning, sir. Yeah, tell us
a little bit about yourself that I didn't Well, I'm
finishing my PhD in life coaching. Oh wow, I'm working
on probably about five books right now. At the same time,
trying to really just leave a legacy, you know, leave
a deposit in the earth, so when you put something
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in print, generally is there forever. So that's one thing
we're doing. And then just trying to enjoy being fifty
five and the father of a young man that's three
years old. Now we had him since he was two
days old. Wow, And this morning he just was running
around the house. He said, Daddy, we boys, you know,
And I said, yeah, man, because I had two girls,
so now having a son, it's just fun, you know.
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So now your girls they're twenty three and twenty six.
Oh yeah, wow, you're strutting all over. How does that feel? Oh,
it's really wonderful. It's challenging at times, but I wouldn't
trade it for the world. You know. Well, since we're there,
could you share some of the challenges of your son.
You know, he was you know, he was adopted at two.
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We were foster parents, or our foster parents, so we
had about two or three young men before, but their
family got their lives together. And then they gave us
a call about a young man that was abandoned by
his mother.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And so we went to the hospital when he was
two days old and we just said boy, and my
son is blond and blue eyes, you know, and I
remember when we brought when we brought them home. Well, really,
let me tell you this, though, the situation was really
grim for him. They said that he can't come home
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with us for like two months. But he was able
to come home with us in less than fourteen days
because every day we held them and we prayed for him,
and you know, just gave him kinesthetic tactile stimulation just
a fancy word to say, a hug and touching him
and loving him for four to six hours every day,
and he came home with us in less than fourteen days.
So he's been with us at home since, and you know,
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it's just been really wonderful just watching him grow and
being a father all over again. Carrying diaper bags and
I'm glad the diaper bag is almost over because you know,
he's three. So still every once in a while we
got to pack something for him. But it's amazing. It's
it's one of the greatest feelings. Like like a person
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that never adopted wouldn't know this. But I'm not for
sure how it is if you have adopted a child
that's a teenager or something like that. But when you
adopt the child, especially young like this, I can't tell
no difference of the love that I have for him.
You know, he's a Mac now, you know when I
take him to school. I took him to school this morning.
I was like, Hey, who's daddy's favorite guy in the world.
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He says, Ethan Nicholas Mac, you know. And so it's
such a wonderful, filling, awesome, awesome. He looks like he
has a lot of energy. Oh, how do you know
he does? Yeah, he does. He just he just he
gets up happy, smiling. You know, Daddy, you want to
play with me? You know. I'm like, man, I'm tired
right now. And then so I usually I said, you
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got fifteen minutes because we got to go to school.
So I usually set the alarm. He hears it goes off.
Then he's mad, I don't want to go to cool,
you know, and so and then in the morning a
nighttime he only wants to be with his mother period.
You know, he don't even say good night to me.
He just mama's boy right in the daytime, is daddy, daddy, daddy?
You know? Awesome?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So what would be your suggestion to someone that's looking
to adoptor foster.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I think, you know, you have an opportunity to change
the course of someone's life, and it's a sacrifice, but
it's worth a sacrifice because I can see where Ethan
would have been had not he been with us, you know. So,
but then we're you know, when you're older, you're a
better parent. Sometimes you wish you could be a grandparent
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before you are a parent. So you only have by
two years, so you're still relatively young. Yeah, and younger. Yeah, Okay,
what I'm saying is, you know, right now we parent
better than we did. Yes, that's true. So so my
son I know where he should be and so, like
I could be hard on him in some areas because
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I wanted them to be disciplined. I want them to
be a preacher. I want them to be president. So
I'm trying to train him early and so, you know,
and then his little mind be thinking. And his teachers
even said he has a good vocabulary, he said, Ethan's vocabulary.
You know, when you got older parents, you kind of
talk different to your child when you do. So it's
just it's one of those things that you should embrace
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the moment and do it. You know. Like I was,
I was in Paris and and this lady had a
Caucasian child. She's she was from Nigeria something like that,
and I said, hey, is that your child? I said,
because my son is Caucasian. You know. She said, why
did you do that? You know whatever, she said, I'm
just babysitting, you know. So sometimes people can be ugly.
(08:05):
You know. My wife has you know, Regina mac she
has a I don't know what you call it, but
it's on Instagram. She has almost a million hits on
videos of our son. And so people say certain things,
you know, because it's pretty consistent when you see a family,
a Caucasian family that has a black baby, so you
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just kind of get used to that. But when you
see a black family having a white baby, you get
a lot of looks, right, you know, so you know,
I had to share with my wife. Don't even let
it bother you. Hey, it's not normal really, you know,
so just you know, just live it out, you know,
and so I embrace it all, you know, absolutely, I
think you should do it though. I think people should
do it because there's a lot of kids out there
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that need a parent, that need somebody. You know. All
it is is a little love and discipline. It sounds
like a huge teachable moment from your family to the
world of the blessing of humanity and caring for people
outside of the expectations of others. You know, it does.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It doesn't matter what you look like, matters that you're
a human being and that child, that baby needed care
and you guys supplied it. That's an awesome, awesome blessing.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You know. I'm trying to find a language to tell
him he's adopted. You don't know what that means, but
I know it's not time yet. But because of his race,
he's going to know earlier, you know, then a child
that you know that that's of the same race. So
it I worry about that. I think about it because
I love this guy with all my heart and he's
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my guy. He's blood of my blood, bone of my bone,
spirit of my spirit. I mean, he's everything to me.
And I would become anything he needed to make him comfortable.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Wow, Well, I don't have to get the clean ex
for me today. Can you share the inspiration as we
switch gears a little bit? And thank you so much
for sharing that, the inspiration behind the founding of Greater
Dreams Church and how it has a involved in the
last fifteen years or so.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Amen. Well, when I was I believe in prayer. I
believe in praying in the spirit a lot of hours.
That the Scripture says he that speaks in an unknown
tongue speaks not unto man, but to God. How be
it in the spirit he speaks mysteries. So when you're
praying that those mysteries, you're actually praying your future. My
mentor Dave Roberson had taught me those principles early on.
So I was nineteen twenty twenty one, doctor Sam you
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know a great friend of mine. We've been known each
other about thirty five years now, something like that, And
so I used to take his lunch money in high school,
even though he was older. But that's a whole nother story.
So in the midst of prayer, I had woke up,
fell asleep praying, and then I woke up and I
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fell back to sleep again, and I saw a book
that said greater than Dreams dot Com, you know, right,
So when I saw that it was a motivational type
of book, you know. Thus, one of my classes I
had in you know, working on my PhD in life
coaching was it. Really It's kind of like God taught
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me all the principles of life coaching because it was like,
like education means actually to draw out. It's not the
putting on. You're drawing out of something that's someone that's
already in them. So this literally was like something drawing
out of me. And I really begin to cry because
there was like a harmonic resonance with this book. And
I didn't know I am in the right direction because
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I love seeing people win. I love people. I love
seeing dreams come the pass in the lives of people.
That's that's my real passion right there. And so in
the midst of all this, when it came time for
me to start a church because I had to obey God,
I was in disobedience for like ten years, running sir.
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You know, I really wasn't running. It's just that I
just wanted to do things decently in order, and you know,
I was with a church for many years and I
had to do something different. And you know, I was
preaching in Mexico. When I got back from Mexico, it
had been ten years later since God told me to
start Greater Dreams. And I said, you know, I'm going
to start it. I'm going to do it. I'm almosbay you.
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I'm not going to fast, not going to pray. I'm
just gonna simply obey you, you know. And it was
difficult because I didn't have a plan. B you know,
I have been in the ministry full time, and then
when I started it, it was scary, you know, but
God showed up for me. But this is a kicker though.
Now I'm seeing the fruit of what Greater Dreams is.
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It's helping people reach their God given dreams. So when
you come to our church, every message is going to
be some type of inspiration toward you becoming everything CHRISTI
is in you, to you and through you. So I
believe in you know, this is a belief that I
believe is clearly written in the scripture. When Jesus says
he says go into all nations. Isaiah says that all
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nations are going to come into the mountain of the Lord,
meaning that the church is supposed to have influence in
the world. See, the world has influence, but I believe
God came to redeem his man and his land, and
to me, that's the seven spheres of influence. Also, I'm
talking about, you know, the family. We're supposed to have
influence in the family that you can see in today's
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day the family is turning different because the Church is
not in a place is supposed to be. The second
thing is not just family, but religion, you know, not religion,
but a relationship with God. And so we're supposed to
lead when it comes to that type of thing. And
then you have media. Were supposed to media. We have
art and entertainment, we have sports, politics, in every sphere
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of influence, we should be in those moments. Because the
earth is the Lord's. He didn't give it to Satan
at all. It belongs to the Lord. The greatest influence
in the earth is supposed to be us. That's why
Jesus says, occupy until I come, Let Thy Kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven.
So we're supposed to dominate the world, not the world
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dominate us. And so my heart's passion is to help
people reach not just their dream, but the dream that's
given to them by God. And so in serving humanity
with it doesn't necessarily mean that everybody become a multi millionaire.
But I do believe that we should put kingdom first.
And so whether that lays it lays A good example
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is you know, like when you got George Washington Carver,
many people don't know that he was a man of God.
He prayed four hours a day and all his ideas
he had gotten from God. But then yet at the
same time, he didn't allow his color, his race to
hinder him. He didn't care what you thought about him,
is what he thought about himself. So he didn't get
into those type of altercations when it came to race situations.
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But so he had so much influence that Edison Ford
asked him to work for him, but he said, I
got to help the poor people that are in the South.
If he was all about me, myself and I the
Unholy Trimity Trinity, then he would have took that money
and took that job. But he was about helping people.
And I believe when you put the kingdom first, God
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supplies all your needs all the time, and so he
uses gifts to help people, and of course he had
benefit from it, and of course he ate from the
crumbs to the table. There was a time when Booker T.
Washington was nervous because they had stored up so many
peanuts and now we're starting to smell in the area,
and the powers that be were saying, we're gonna do
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something really bad. You're gonna kick you off this campus
whatever unless you do something about it. And George Washington
Carver ended up coming to work today because at that
time he started working for him at the University Tuscadee Institute.
And this is what he said. He said, George, we're
in a situation. You got to help us, you know,
He said, Man, what is it? He said, we got
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all these peanuts? He said, you know, you know, speaking
of that, God spoke to me this morning about peanuts.
He said, God, talk to you. Because he thought he
was going cuckoo because of hearing voices. Then he's like,
what did he say? He said, well, he had showed
me about different things that you can do with a peanut.
I asked them for the secrets of the universe. He
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said today, George, I'm gonna tell you the secrets are
inside of a peanut. And so he had over three
hundred inventions as a result of that conversation that he
had with God, and then he caused a brand new industry.
I mean, remember Fourst. Gump in the movie when he
said shrimp and potatoes, gumbo shrimp. But you know it
was like peanut butter, peanut oil, you know. So it
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was all types of inventions that came out from one
man's relationship with God. And I'm saying that to say
he had influence, yes.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Or that influence brings out the potential in people and
he helped them be what they're created to be.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Everybody has a bliss, that thing that's in you that
you desire to do, and I want to help bring
that out. I want to help you realize an actual
actualize your God given dreams. That's greater dreams. Yes, awesome.
I guess that was a long way to say that's
why I started the church.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I believe that's inspirational, and in that, I guess the
economy of different means of getting that message across. You've
put your pinky toe into television and multimedia is that?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
So it is?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Your television show on TCT network has reached an audience
of about one hundred and seventy two nations.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Ninety three million people. Wow. Actually, in that I never
had my own show. I have did hosting, hosting, hosted
shows on TCT, hosted shows for Doctor Garth, hosted shows
called as the Pastor. I still do Ask the Pastor
now because they love yeah and so yeah, I had
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a great time doing it. I started doing it as
an a a co host, and then I started Then
an opportunity came up for me to host. Then I
started hosting. And how's that global platform affected your ministry? Well, TCT,
you know, like some places I go, people recognize me,
you know, because it's a TCT reaches a different genre
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of people, you know, so it's not necessarily reaching you see,
My ministry is mixed, you know, like I believe in
the Kingdom, So it's not black or white. It's all races,
all ages, all social economic backgrounds. So TCT did me good,
but maybe other people that have more of an Afro
centric type of flair, it wouldn't be that influential for them.
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So because I operate the way I do I think
it caused doors to open up for me. But then
at the same time people recognize me. But like when
it comes to me in Africa. You know, I just
got back from Pretoria, Africa. I was in Pertorio, Africa. You'nesburg,
then Zombie we did conference. There was in Ethiopia, and
(19:04):
then I came back, had to go do some ministery
in Mexico. So this month was November was a very
busy month for me. But those doors started about maybe
fifteen years ago. Just one visit, you know, and then
you know, you could be waxing on and waxing off.
You know what I mean when I say that you're
going through this process that you don't know that you
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don't even know that it has significance. And I'm in
this series called Can I Have My Coat Back? And
it's really dealing with the Three Coats of Joseph. But
then this part of process, when I looked at the coats,
you got the dream, the dream coat, the favorite coat.
But then they's taken from you and now you can't
get your favorite from outward exterior circumstance. Now you have
to get your favor from God. Now, So it pushed
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him to go inward and he lost everything because God
wants to get all the glory right. So like you
can be in that place with your servants robe, which
is a very important learning, how to serve before you lead,
and you're waxing on, waxing off. And so I did
that for years. Then a young man or older guy
came to my church who was from Africa, Apostle uch
(20:09):
Into BC, who was the president of the redeem in
the International Gospel of Sentatry where I am a bishop
in that organization. I never saw him from Adam, but
I gave him a prophetic word and it spoke to
his dream and it spoke he said, man, you don't
even know me, you know. And then so he said,
want you to come to Africa with me? So he
went to Africa. That opened up that door. Then I
(20:30):
noticed that people were preachers and five foul ministry gifts
was follow me everywhere I preach, and I'm like, what's
going on? You know, I didn't know why they were
doing it. And so the last meeting, this older bishop
named Bishop Nelson, he introduced me. He said, this guy,
he says, I've been preaching the gospel for over forty
five years and studying his Bible every time he preaches.
(20:51):
I learned something that I've never known before, and I
might have read that scripture a thousand times, and I
got scared. I was like, oh, man, I can't make
this magic happen, you know. So I'm trying the Holy ghosts.
And so I remember getting behind the pull pit. The
Holy Spirit came upon me and gave me something fresh
and new. And then I realized that I was waxing on,
waxing off being a servant in my cave, in my pit,
(21:12):
not understanding the revelation and insight that got was given
me and preparing it, preparing me. And then in that
moment it exploded, how do you balance your your entrepreneurial
ventures and your pastoral duties and family. That's you know,
it's difficult to balance that, you know, really because something
you just got to go through. Seasons. To me, for me,
(21:35):
seasons work. But like even in Africa, this last time
with my son, we FaceTime a lot. So it's twenty
in the morning. I still got to get up at
six in the morning, but I'm talking to him at
twenty morning because it's important to me, and we're playing
and I'm acting, you know, with him, you know, and
then you know you got to sacrifice some sleep sometime,
you know, and then you trust the Holy Spirit, you know,
(21:56):
to do what he needs to do in those conferences
and those meetings, you know. But and then you know
when it comes time to spend time with my wife.
I try to be in the moment. I didn't used
to be, but now I learned to be in the moment.
And that how moments are precious, you know. Like for example,
I had went through a season like in twenty twenty three,
I said, I'm turning pro, you know, And so I
(22:17):
don't want to be an amateur with my life anymore.
Amateur the Latin word where amateur comes from. It means
to do it for love, and love is fickled. It's
up and down. I feel love, I don't feel love,
you know whatever. But when you turn pro, you show
up every day. Yeah, And so twenty twenty three was
my year, said I said I'm turning pro. So I
was wearhing two o seven, I went down one seventy eight.
I started studying masculinity and feminicity. I wanted to know
(22:40):
the dynamic between chemistry and how come two people cannot
love each other the whole life long. So I start studying.
I spent probably that year about ten thousand dollars on
my body and my mind as it retains to being
a man, being a father, being a husband. And so
in those classes, I became very affective. Begin to teach
our men that to at a church however, like for example,
(23:03):
you know, a female, excuse me if you're offended, but
a female will argue, you know, yeah, real high, right,
And so me not having a father in my life,
because if you don't have a father, you don't have discipline.
They know how many prisons to build based upon how
many children grow up in a household without a male
influence by the time they're eighteen. So at the same time,
because of that, you've got people in prison because they're emotional.
(23:26):
When you don't have a father in your life, you
are more emotional, right, You make emotional decisions. And so
when my wife would maybe raise a voice or something,
I'll raise my voice too. And so then when I
do that, I'm not going to like the feminine. And
so what I have to learn to do through those
classes is try to keep it in my masculine. The
masculine stays calm even though the feminine goes high. And
(23:48):
always tell my men when they go hi, we go low. Right,
just cheap it there because you feel safe, you know,
she feels like you can handle me. She feels like
she's covered. And so I learn how to spend time
with her and allow her to vent right, and then
be in the moment with her, and then just still
be calm and don't even argue back, but just talk
(24:10):
to her right, And then you know when I usually
be on my phone or something, so with her, I
can't even be on my phone. If we're driving in
a car, I can't be on the phone. If she's driving,
I can't be on the phone, right, But if I'm driving,
she can be on the phone. If she can be
on the phone anytimes you want to, which I don't
think is fair. But let me tell you something. I've
been around the world, and all women are the same, right,
(24:33):
everybody cracks up, right, you know. So because I study
the female species when it comes to my wife, I'm
getting better at being in the moment and making her
feel important. Because I may think I'm spending time with her,
but if she don't feel like I am, then I'm not.
And so when it comes to my son, I know
the importance of being with him, so I give them
(24:54):
those moments when we wrestle, you know. And I got Matt.
We were pretending. I said, you beat the daddy, I'd
be this, and then he's being a daddy. He said,
I said, Daddy, can we play with me? He says, no, son,
are going to go to work, you know, And so
that hurt me. Yeah. So now when he wants to play, said,
I'm gonna give you ten minutes a day or I'm
gonna give you thirty minutes, you know. So I'll set
(25:15):
the timer and we go wrestle. Because I learned through
study that when you wrestle with your son, he feels
loved right. So I don't know why, but he acts
like he's t Rex. He knows all the dinosaurs too,
and he wrestles with me and then we're like going,
He's cracking up, laughing, and so I try to be
in those fun moments just like that, taking advantage of
every moment. Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So that would actually answer the other question as well
as balance. What advice would you offer young leaders aspiring
to make a global impact in their uh, through their
faith and through their work, through whatever God's called them
to do.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
You know this is important to me. If I had
to do it over again, I would. If you could,
if you could, if you could not be needy emotionally
needing someone to love you. See, my mother had when
she was fourteen, and she wanted me to be independent
because her mother died when she was twelve, and her
grandmother died she was twelve, so she had no influence,
and so she had me at fourteen. But she thought
(26:14):
she's going to die early because the two matrixes in
her life died early. So she didn't want me to
be dependent upon anybody. So she raised me very independent,
but in that she didn't show me much affection. So
when I grew up, I needed it, I wanted it.
And then when you need something, you're you're not attractive,
so you got to learn how to balance that. So
my advice to someone young is do things in the
(26:35):
right season. Don't rush to get married. Learn who you
are because you choose the wrong person because you don't
even know who you are. You don't even know your
gifts you're telling you don't know even where you fit,
and you want somebody in your life that compliments that. Right,
and then so and then don't marry your luss. Marry
someone that will help you with the objectives that you have.
And then learn at Scoregate and how to grow love
(26:57):
in friendship. So this is the final thing. We get
my education. First, I would I would if I could
go to Harvard. I go to Harvard. I can go
to Cambridge. I go to Cambridge. I'll pay that price
and sacrifice because the more effective you are, the more
stable you are. As you begin to grow, the more
attractive you'll become, and you'll be able to choose at
(27:18):
a higher level. And I just happen to choose good,
you know, But still I would, I would work on
me first. You know, a guy can live in a
car and go to college. I mean, you don't have
to take care of a family and try to pursue purpose. Hmm.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
You hit on a lot of points, and I almost
I feel like I need to buy your book before
it's written.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Now you said you had a book. That's well, you know,
I got some smaller books. One's called inches is talking
about really I call it ace. You know, your awareness
of yourself, then confidence, and then then you want to
learn how to grow as a leader and faith and expectancy.
(27:58):
And so it's really called inch and it's really dealing
with self awareness, is dealing with confidence, and it's dealing
with I forget the E because I did it, wrote
this book a long time ago. But it has to
do with developing you personally in these areas and then
if you do this, it'll affect everything out here. And
so it's simple, but it's called inches. Just do a
(28:19):
little bit at a time, right, But I'm working on
the reason why everything is on hold because I have
to finish this book that I promised God I do.
And it's really dealing with I know it's a popular subject,
but it's called the it's not called the Power of
Confession because I didn't name it that, but it's dealing
(28:40):
with when I had a crisis in my life and
I needed God to show up, I had nobody to
turn to but him. And then I learned that you
don't give from God what you believe. You get from God.
You don't give from God what you deserve. You give
from God what you believe. Right. And then so like
when I was in Haitia, I was preaching this on
the secular radio station, and I dealt with how to
(29:02):
woman issue. Blood had touched him of his garment, and
Jesus said, a woman, your faith has made you hole right,
So you got to develop your faith. And so and
I learned through the power of confession that you're not
twisting guard God's hand. You're doing the John six twenty
nine thing when he says, this is the work of
God that you believe. So you got to do the
(29:22):
work to believe what Jesus Christ did for you on
the cross. So I began to confess it over and
over again, twenty to thirty minutes, three times a day,
every day. And as far as getting out of debt
and stuff like that. My God supplies all my needs
according to in Glory Christ Jesus. For I know the
grace of Jesus Christ. He dirict for me became poor.
That Methro was poverty. My buery just memorized it and
used it as a weapon. And I didn't know my
(29:43):
mind was being renewed to it and opened up brand
new channels in my brain to really because as a
man thinks in his heart, so is he. So it
took that long from the drop twelve inches from my
mind to my heart, and when it dropped, I felt
faith come around me, and I knew what has been
was not what shall be. My situation about to change right.
And so one of the first things that happened is
(30:04):
this guy was selling a car for four thy five
hundred dollars. Because I've been confessing that word like that,
the words are speaking to you, the locost turns into
a rama, a right now word, and the Holy Spirit
spoke out of that. And he said to me, he said,
this guy, take four hundred dollars for that car. I
didn't have the guts to tell him that I had
eight hundred bucks. I said, eight hundred dollars for his car.
The guy said the cars wereth sixty five hundred dollars.
I'm telling you for forty five hundred, and you're getting
(30:25):
a good deal. I said, well, if you change your mind,
here's my number. I walked away and says, see God,
I told you. If he didn't take eight hundred, he
want to go take four hundred. Right. He called me
the next day he said, I'll take the eight hundred dollars.
After I bought the car, he says to me, I
says to him, Why are you selling a car? He said,
I just graduated with my PhD In medicine. I'm from India.
My playing leaves today at three o'clock. You're the only
(30:46):
person that offered me anything for my car. Wow. Then
I took that car and sold it for thirty five
hundred and I put pressure toward my problem. I tithe
said an offering. I was helping Rick Renner build a
church in Russia. And then I bust my men of
God and I put the rest to court my bills
in Within eighteen months, I was debt free. That's why
it's important for me to write this book to teach
(31:08):
people exactly how it works. I can give you testimony,
the testimony how God may things manifest in my life.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Wow. Sound was like faith to me a well. The
final question of today. We've covered a lot of ground,
a lot of information looking ahead as well as looking
to the past. What do you think your legacy is?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Part one? And what would you like for it to be?
You know, I would like if I could choose it.
I would love to see my son pastor in Greater
Dreams Church. Wow. And I have other spiritual sons pastoring
other churches that we plant and seeing my girls really blossom.
(31:50):
My daughter wants to be a veterinarian, and my daughter's
a businesswman, but she's a speaker, so she probably end
up pastoring one day. I would love to. I would
love to impart as a legacy to get people to
not just know about God, but to know Him in
that prayer life and what it really means to have
(32:11):
a real relationship with God and not a religious experience,
you know. So that's my biggest heart, that you can
know him and he's available and you can have much
of him as you want. But the enemy fights that.
You know. You got to pay that every day. You
got to seek after him. You go through seasons where
you don't feel like you prayed in a while, and
you get back at it. You know, God sits in
(32:32):
heaven Psalms fourteen to two, looks down upon the children
of men to see if there's anybody that seeks after him.
So just teaching people how to seek after God for
real and knowing his voice and how to be led
by him, how to be guided by him, that's a
major legacy. Sounds like experiencing the benefits for you. The benefits, Yes,
(32:53):
that's it and the major benefit is him. Yes, he
will stoop down to our level and he will connect
to our self engrandizement, or if you are flesh. He said, Abraham,
follow me, man, I'm gonna make you great. I'm gonna
make you famous. Come on, that's that's colonel right. But
then he started walking with him, and then the question
came up. He's like, God, all I want is you,
(33:15):
you know. So he knows how good he is, and
so he'll appeal to our lower nature to bring us
to a higher place. Awesome, awesome, Thank you so much
for being with us today. It's been amazing. Thank you
for being with me too. Thank you so much. I
appreciate that. Man. And how can they follow you? Just
you can go to mygdc dot org and that's our
website and then you can follow Larry G. Mac Jr.
(33:39):
On Larry G. Mac Jr. On Facebook and YouTube look
up doctor Larry Mack and it's easy to find us
all over the world. Well, you know, we're missing Germany
a little bit. I've been to Germany. We're not in
Germany yet, been to Dubai. Were not like we don't
have the influence, but Brazil yet in the continent of Africa. Awesome, awesome, awesome, Thank.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
You again, thank you, thank you for listening to the
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