Be Careful What You Wish For – A Deep Dive into the Wishmaster Franchise - Class Horror Cast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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enjoy the show.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Welcome everybody to another episode of Class Horror Cast. Make
sure to be careful what you wish for, because in
this episode we open an ancient tomb to one of
horror's most sinister and overlooked villains, the Gin from carst
artifacts to wishful victims, and a franchise dripping with nineties
era charm. We're summoning every twisted tale the Wishmaster series

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has to offer, but no dark ritual is complete without
a partner in crime. So before we speak the final words,
I'll let my co host introduce himself.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Welcome back, everybody, Class Forror Cast. I am Tom kat
aka the Raptilian, A Tom Thom, whatever hell my name it,
but yes I am here. We are here, and and
also like probably think out your wishes because what we'll
talk about on this episode is not a lot of
people in these films actually like think out their wishes fully.

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They're just like outlandish, like over encompassing things, and then
it doesn't really go right for them. And I will say,
these movies are pretty ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
So I'm we're probably not. I wouldn't say we're gonna
have majorly opposing opinions, but.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Especially the three.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
No, I will defend the first two movies, I think,
and then from there and then we'll we'll really be
going scorch to art. I think after that point.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I hope you have an image of him from the
third one where he looks like some weird genie.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
But yes, so we're covering the wish Master franchise. So
we'll start off obviously with the original movie, which is
a nineteen ninety seven dark fantasy horror film director by
Robert Kurtzman.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
They slap Wes Craven's name on it, just to.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
You know what what Robert Kurtzman is famous for. Do
you recognize that name at all?

Speaker 1 (02:14):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
I do not.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Robert Kurtzman is a really famous special effects makeup artist.
He co founded KMB with Greg Nicotero. So like they've
done the makeup for see if you've heard of some
of these movies from Beyond the Knight of Creeps, Nightmare three, three, Predator,

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Evil Dead, Phantasm, Halloween, Let's have a look see what else, Briided, Reanimator,
The Exosus three, dark Man, Misery, Doctor Giggles, People Under
the Stairs, Texas, Chainsaw, Massacre, Army of Darkness, Pumpkinhead, New
Nightmare Mania Cop I've seen like those movies pretty much

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every say yeah, House on hotled Hill, thirteen Ghosts, Cabin Fever,
ghost Ship, Tremor's Identity, Hostile, Devil's Rejects two thousand and one, Maniacs.
Like they've pretty much done any horror, like decent horror
film for the last fucking thirty years.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Some of these films, some of those films will be
good to cover because I've had never seen them. There's
one you said where I was like, I've always wanted
to watch that one.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
But yeah, it was directed by him, was executive produced
by Wes Craven and is the only film in the
wish Masters series with his name attached. This was a
bad idea, but you see they've done a lot of that,
like where it was like Wes Craven presents and stuff
and nothing to do with it. You just check mark
the blocks. So yeah, the plot surrounds a Gin, a

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wish granting evil genie who was released from a jewel
to seek and seeks to capture the soul of a
woman who discovered him, thereby opening a portal and freeing
his fellow Gin to inhabit an enslaved art.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
So if you want to know more about the actual Gin,
you could visit Strange Brew podcast. For me and Billy
covered it a long time ago. It was more at
the beginning of the show, so we're probably fairly drunk.
But the idea is that it's almost like they connected
to to the Reptilians type of stuff of that folklore

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that's us. It's made of smokeless fire, they claim, and
it's like a demonic entity that actually looks kind of
Reptilian in form and it's why you get the depiction
that we do in these movies too. And it's like Muslims,
they'd actually believe that this thing could be, could exist.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, yeah, I have definitely heard of like some of
this folklore before in different things. This was shot on
a budget of five million dollars approximately. I just had
a total domestic growth of sixteen million, which is decent,
I guess for like you know, retired on it. During
its opening weekend in theaters, it made six million, putt

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an entire place at the box office behind In and
Out and the Game. It was written by Peter Atkins,
who I actually had on the show a while back.
He's also known for his work on the Hell Razor films.
He intentionally made some surnames of characters in the film Beaumont,
Finny Clegg, Merris Ackman matched the names of writers of

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horror and fantasy fiction, so he he's worked on. I
can't remember which Hell Raisers he was, which I know
he'd done a Lord of Illusions as well.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
I want to say Lord of Illusions, Sword Caused Contusions, Alight,
that's a mister high Knox. That's why I know a
lot of these like por movies, because you think about
ex certain hip hop ours, which at some point I
think it'd be kind of fun to talk about like
some horrorcore cut a rap or whatever. But I actually
I think I've seen bits and pieces of Lord of Illusion.

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But I saw pop up my Prime and I was like, I.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Kind of want to watch I'd like to cover it.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Up.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Okay, I have all the Fantasmas on DVD. Also, that's
what I was thinking too, that at some point we
should cover that I watched the thing one or two
outside of the projector So that's fine.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
The wife not, Yeah, I wouldn't imagine. So let's get
the taglines out. Actually, okay, if three wishes are granted,
hell will be unleashed on earth. It's not be careful
what you wish for.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Of course, that's like a given. I think that's a
good still tagline for this.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, yeah, you know, don't make a sound, don't make
a move, and above all else, don't make a wish.
Kind of damn sounds like AI. You to be honest,
beg for your life, pray for your soul. But whatever
you do, don't make a wish.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
But you wouldn't meet him. Unless you didn't meet make
a wish.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Your next wish could be your last.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
That's like not terrible.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Actually, here's my fucking favorite worst one ever. Magically powerful,
supernaturally evil, magically delicious. That's just awful. Whoever him over
that needs to just like do something to themselves, going
to say off themselves, I'm not allowed to say it
on the internet, so definitely, I'll take that back. Yeah.

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So funny you mentioned the Phantasm movies because this is
actually narrated by Anger scrim who plays the Tall Man
in Phantasm series, but that's his voice to.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Both like that one and two. I have the whole
box because I like the film premise. It's interesting and weird.
I have the actually love the first one after we
watch it though.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Right there there's the sphere. Yeah, but when you lift
the ball up, the movies are inside of it.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
That's sick. I love that ship.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
I can't justify wasting my money on that anymore.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
I bought that secondhand somewhere now the box, that's why
I took it out in the box. I have the
box in storage, but the box was literally kicked today
and I think the dude was like, oh, you can
have that for like five books. I don't. He's a
garbage And I was like you then, motherfucker. The thing
inside was perfect.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Ah, that's sweet. So you got deals for that. Even
with collecting my movies, I said, I gotta go the
I usually go to the thrift stores or like stuff
like that and just try to find them where I said,
there's a good place not far from me that he
goes because he doesn't have the internet. Someone who's friend
that's been on my show, and so he just collects.
Like I'll come over to his place and there'll be

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like a stack of like DVDs, like and he's like,
I paid ten dollars for all that and it was
his massive stack of like tons. So I'm like, he's like, yeah,
you should go there. It's like a record called record
Works something like that where I sell records and stuff too.
But I'm like, it's probably a good idea because I
can get like dollar movies and that's how I would
probably build up my collection rather than that's.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
What I don't knew. That's what I don't. People think like,
oh my god, man, you're crazy. You've spent hous in
some mo and I'm like, no, not really, because yeah,
well it's that thing where you like you can go
and it's like, you know, buy one movie, get ten
free because they just want to get rid of them.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, I know. Because now nobody uses DVDs anymore, especially
I'll get it will become more like that.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
And it was like you said, media when the whole
world When the whole world becomes like North Korea, we're
gonna need DVDs again.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
You know, and we'll have as long as you have
the inn or the essentially the power source, right, even
a generator. You can still watch movies. That's all like,
and you know that it happened in Canada recently, right
where there's all these storms, these weird ice storms. Seems
like the government should maybe stop sucking with the weather.
But and you just realize that the digital currency does

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nothing that like everyone needs to use cash and all
that stuff. And I'm like, hmm, so strange or gold.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, real currency. This movie actually has a lot of
people in it who we would bolt know from readings
of different movies. Yeah, like ted ramis in there.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
I said, ted so Amy always get some horrible.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Right Roberts in here you get.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Squished by like the Oh my god, is this is
that I'm trying think? Is this the premise at the
end where she just wishes for like the guy not
to be drunk or is that the second one?

Speaker 2 (10:17):
I can't remember. I can't remember. As I go through Denolds,
I'll probably remember, but oh my god.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
So why I'm so ridiculous? Like if the crate never
burst open and the guy was never drunk moving the crane.
That all of it went back to, Yes, absurd, it's
so crazy. Third first movie. Who liked, all right, this
guy just wasn't drunk around meth or some shit, you know,
while he's driving the crane, everything would be okay because
he wouldn't crash the box on top of ted Ramie.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
This actually though, it has like all the kind of
heavy hitters in horror when you think about it. So
Angus Grim who played the tall Man in Phantasm, Robert
England is in here, ted Ramy is in here. Cane
Hodder who played Jason Boorr obviously is in here. Tony Todd,
who played Candy Man, is in here. We also have
a two lesser known ones. But you'll like this as well.

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And but I think a lot of people won't notice.
So there's a guy in this by the name of
Jay Jake McKinnon who plays which side is it on?
You know that character? Is there? The Professor from House
of a Thousand corpses that the Satan that the same. Yeah,
that's funny, right, So not only is the Professor this
guy here in it, but Walter Feelon, who plays doctor

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Satan is also in this movie, ye chasing them, and
then doctor Satan is like the like, yeah, the doctory
guy and that's the guy with the big weird was cool.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, I don't have that.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah. You should listen to Rob Zombi's director's commentary of
House of a Thousand Corpses. It's on YouTube, the full track,
and it's so good to listen to because it's like
sitting in the room with like a friend and it's
just like talking about movies. It's actually really cool.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
It's I know we've covered Rob Zombie, but I probably
would just do a deep dive on House a Thousand Corpses.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Again, you know what I would love to do. And
I taught. I taught this and I was like, Tom,
it's probably gonna be like, oh man, that's all overkill
I wanted to do. I watched three from Hattieatern and
I was like, you know what, I actually fucking love
this movie. And then I was like, you know what.
I listened to both commentary tracks for Devil's Rejex is
one and then the one with the cast, and I
was like, fuck, I love Devil's Rejex. And I was like,

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you know what we could do a Firefly family like
Deep Dive where we watched the three movies and covered in.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, I like, you know, real we covered all of
rob' zombie and his films.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
You know, but like we could do that, like at
the end of the episode, done really well for me,
by the way, Well we.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Can I enjoy all of those films, So you never know, right,
that's like the what we do on Strange Group Party
at some point, Like we've covered Black Eyed Children, you know,
at some point you might cover them again, you know.
Time actually have a Halloween episode about that. So it's
like not bad to reach back into some of those
is anals annals of horror history. Uh and then kind

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of because I love all those movies and I don't
think I don't know if we touched really upon some
of the other like the details of like Three from Hell.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
So good, dude, it's so good. I forgot how good.
That was the only thing that disappoint Actually, no, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
We're not talking with We're talking about wish Master We
trust on top.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, I did write down it. I love the opening
saying for this first one, I thought that was incredible.
I love the special effects on the skeletons, slender barsting
out of the skin, like, I know, what's a nineties movie?

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Like?

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Well, I can still appreciate like practical stuff and things
like that. I think it was great.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
I said, it starts with an emperor making a dumb wish.
Why would you wish to show me all the wonders
that could be twisted easily?

Speaker 2 (13:41):
I know. Yeah, it's just like you have to have interpretation.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Mean, you know, the wonders could be looking inside of
a guy's butthole. You know those are wonders, wonders that
you've never seen.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
But sure, you're always gonna have to have some generic
like shit reason like start the whole thing. I do
love the look of the of the gin a wish
master if you want to call him. Yeah, I think
he looks cool with the like the hold up or whatever.
He does definitely feed like a classic kind of like
nineties horror Like He's definitely in like the tier down

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from obviously the big guys, but I think he kind
of fits in there with the like seleprech On and stuff.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
I told you I still want I still want to
do it. I still want to do a tier list.
There's definitely one with this motherfuck on it, and then
we can actually do like I really want to do
some of those live streams and I do it for
my show and set one up because it would just
be fun. I do think it would translate well the audio,
but then it's like it'd be interesting to get our
takes and who we would fight over of like who
gets the ranks. And then if we do it live,

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we can get you know, all you fans out there
there definitely subscribed on YouTube and and rumble, we can
get them to like opt out options so they'll get
like a card or whatever it's called where they get
to do things out because I'm like, you know, I
don't know where I would put this guy, but he's
he's not up there, but he's still classify to me
as one of those horror villains from slasher films. Like

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even though I probably I definitely have seen the cover
of this when I was a kid, I'm sure I
watched bits of it. I'm sure I've seen this when
I was like pretty young, but it was nothing that
I liked that much. It wasn't like a Nightmare on
Elm Street or Friday thirteenth or Halloween or whatever. Right,
But I definitely do think I visited. But when I
rewatched it recently a couple of years ago, I was like,

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especially as a grown man, I was like, this is
fucking ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Oh yeah, some of it's like a tough watch. But
it hasn't been a nostalgia for me, at least the
first two. The first one more so Manning, But I said,
very cheesy, it fun, and I love the look of
the character. I feel like you could make I think
that that concept and the look of that character, you
could actually make a really really good film that.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
It is well with the amount of CGI that we
have and stuff like that, you could. And if you
had a writer like come on, we've done like like
even you know, we talked about this before, but the
Death is a unicorn and you didn't like it. I
thought it was okay for a movie about a unicorn
killing people, right, they did that. Why not create a
real life story about the gin And because they everything's

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woke and progressive, you can put a bunch of Muslims
in there, and like, you know that's true, you could
make it. Write a really crazy, compelling story where it's
like even if then people's maybe wishes were more thought out,
but he twists them in a very like intelligent way.
The amount of deaths you could have too, that's like
surprises hasn't been like taken up by somebody.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
I know.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, I'm actually shocked that this hasn't been remade or
rebooted or something I did write down. I love the
scene where the carrago falls on top of ted Ramie's character.
I love the fact that they hold on the shots
so we get to see his body squashed underneath. I
do love it when it calms down and you can
clearly tell obviously it's some sort of a dummy. But
that always like disturbed me when I was younger, when

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you see a body like crumpled, and I was like,
that's fucking grave.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah, I know, uh. I Also I also like it
was the idea of like the shape shifting and putting
a face on it is interesting of like we've always
heard the story secial of your conspiracy minded of like
the shape shifting reptilians, right, the idea is that they're
actually just casting an image on your mind, where this
is like using magic. But the idea that when I've

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gotten to this stuff, is like, if the reptilians exist,
they human brains are malleable and easy to pretty much
brainwash and manipulate. You can see this with mass media, right,
so they just like make you think that you're seeing
the sexy blonde girl and then she's on top, and
then it wears off and then all of a sudden,
it's a lizard man fucking you in the ass. But like,
it's an interesting take to like where he gives his

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ability to shape shift, because that's where it comes back
to the reptilian idea is a shape shifting lizard like
entity that consumes people. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (17:53):
No, I mean yeah, it definitely has that nineties field
or so it does. It's yeah, it has like that
nineties fail. I actually found out as well that this
has the same director of photography as the original Nightmare
on the Street, which I thought was kind of interesting.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah, and for how like it's it was pretty low
budget and especially like the soundtrack was very nineties TV drama.
I wrote because like, oh yeah, the soundtrack was, like
it reminds me of like a creepy movie they would
have on the Family Channel or whatever, right, the Disney
Family Channel it's like, dude, it was like so nineties

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but like not a lot of effort put into it,
but sounds like some guy said as computer and was
like just like typing it into a computer to do.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
You know the scene where he escapes from the gym.
This is the one, isn't it where they're like analyzing
it in like the lab or whatever. Isn't it?

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, I remember it.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Like it's so funny that like they have the isn't
it Like there's like a computer and they're like laser
in it or something that's and there's all like these
graphics coming up on the screen and it's like analyzing
and like decoding and all this ship. But I didn't
know that them. You know, he comes out and he's
like he's like a small he's like a small version
of himself when he first comes out, and he's all slight,

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he's all slimy and ship.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, like Freddie when he like smokes the bot images.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
I'm not sure what image now exactly or if the
image will be in this, but I am I didn't
know that. That's Uh, it's the actor's name again, the
small guy, Varne Troyer. No way really r that's yeah,
that's him as little slimy little dude. That's before he

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likes before he like grows into the harp.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
It is interesting right there. It is interesting that the
even bring up Like when I start, I was like, oh,
look a Samerian statue. That's supposed to be like the Anunaki,
which is cool. They they put that in there. Man,
there's so many like dumb, yeah, dumb, dumb kill scenes,
Like even for the first one, I thought there would

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be a little more thought out, but it's now it's
equally as dumb.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
But I think I really think the statue that's so cool.
It was like, this is just what it is, and
d the story look, which I supposed Look, I don't
mind as much when a movie just kind of yeah
there that that those scenes there where they're in like
the lab and that he's like analyzing it whatever. But
that's I didn't realize that that was Varne Schreyer as

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like miniature version of the gym. The practical effects there
of him growing and transforming stuff I thought were actually
quite good because it was all practical and it was
like really slimy and like horrible. I thought they pulled
that off quite well.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
And I mentioned, right, if like just just as like
a premphasis, right, if you know, if I was more
into this, like I remember watching it when I was younger, Right,
But if I if it was the nineties, right, if
it was even the early two thousands, like two thousand
and five or four, and I was watching that even
at this age, then I probably would have slightly more

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positive things to say about it. It's just looking back
at it now as a grown man into twenty twenty five. Right.
And then obviously it wasn't it wasn't. It was there,
it was in in my horror heart, but it wasn't
like it was a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny
little fraction, right, So like it would have been different

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if it was a different time.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Right.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
It's just interesting looking back at it and analyzing it now,
you know, just the graphics, the wishes, the kills, you.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Know, oh yeah, for sure, for sure. And like I
mentioned about Robert Kartsman, he was actually the guy who
gets killed by the piano. And I mentioned about some
of the movies he was involved with. So many people
don't know that he actually he wrote from Us till
Dawn and then he done the special effects or makeup

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effects on and I wrote all these out, so I'm
going to read them all super quickly so people get
an idea for the pedigree of this guy's work within horror.
Obviously this is makeup work, but it just kind of
shows you that he's been involved with basically everything. So
we have Terror Vision from Beyond, Predator, Dream Child, Tremors,

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Jason goes to Hell, Little Nikki, Evolution, Jay and Silent Bob, Reboot,
Knight of the Creeps, Evil Dead two, Phantasm two, Halloween five,
Texas Chang Saw three, Misery, People Down the Stairs, Doctor Giggles, Mania,
Cop Body Bags, Pulp Fiction, New Nightmare, Lord of Illusioned,
Scream Men in Black, Spawn House on Haunted Hill, thirteen, Ghosts,
Cabin Fever, Texas Change, Saw three, d It follows Tusk,

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Haunting of Hill, was Doctor Sleep, Fear Street, And that's
like only a handful of Like, the dude has so
many credits that idea.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Can we please soon? Can we do Little Nikki and
Bring Billion I've seen that be like thirty times. I've
seen it like five times recently. Release the Power or whatever.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
He says, such a good movie.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Release the Evil Come on. That's a horror movie. Technical
it's a horror comedy. We gotta cover. That's so funny.
I'm gonna tell Billy go watch that film now.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, I love the same where the jin smokes the
cigarettes he's outside there's like there's like a bomb outside
the pharmacy or whatever, and get.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Oh yeah yeah yeah. Isn't that bum complaining about the
guy and wishing he would like die or whatever?

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah, there he is.
There's a clip actually for anyone viewing the video aspect
of this. I think that's supposed to be like the
magnific cation of the gem or whatever. It is just
like wow, wow, terrible.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
So it's interesting too. Like I did say, the voice
of the guy suited up that's supposed to be like
the shape shifter of like the Gin or whatever. There's
the bump now his voice is goofy. I'm not gonna lie,
it's pretty goofy.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Andrew Diva, Yeah, I'm the Gin.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Well, it's how we say.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
It's just the cal of ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
He has to this like low monotone voice.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well, you know what, right, I'm gonna defend him here
now because when do you get when we get to
the later movies in the franchise, very quickly we realize, Wow,
that guy is an Oscar winning performer. But do you
compare it to what happens afterwards? Cartsman Robert Kartsman also
got the job directing this on a recommendation from Sam Raimi,
which I thought was kind of interesting. And they have

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to have the whole thing shot and done in thirty
three days.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
I would be interested to see Sam Ramy do this, honestly, ye,
especially it would be bad.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
And there's there's actually a little funny strike you mentioned that,
like some of the horrible, like terrible looking dead scenes,
the scene where Kane Hudder as the security guy gets
like pixelated and frolls and whatever. That's probably the worst
part of the whole movie for me. But fun factor
if you pause that right on that scene where he's
frolls and his name Badge actually says Jay or he's oh,

(25:23):
that's cool. I thought it was a funny.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
I do think this was definitely cringey. I do think it.
It made me cringe numerous times.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, I want to
look for it.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
But hey, as I said, this would be a fun
movie if if me and you were just sitting around
smoking some ganja, you know, having a beer, like this
would be hilarious for us to just sit there, Like
at some point, it just sucks that we're so far
because I would love to just like if we could
ever set up some place in a studio and just
have a couch where we record ourselves watching a film
and then just having a real time, it would be awesome,

(26:01):
because like it's that's one of the worst, especially one
of these movies that you would go see with your
boys or you know, you see that, like yeah, Wishmaster
movie just came out. You should go see that and
smoke up a joint or something like that, and then
it's ridiculous, but it's also a fun watch. Some of these,
like what made horror what it is today is because
of some of the fun elements of it and and

(26:21):
because you could push the boundaries and kind of be
ridiculous and it would still make mostly sometimes the money
back what they put into it. You know, thinking about
all the horror movies that you know, like I think
all of them, most of that there's like forty percent
of them are pretty goofy and weird, fun but fun.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
There is a so I'm gonna go outd them here.
And I know you'll probably disagree with this, but some
of the dialogue they gave the gin I thought it
was actually really like clever. I'm gonna I'm gonna try
one of his more iconic little quotes here in my
word warn't.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Or well yes, just make sure you pronunciate.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Or shower. I don't know if this is going to work.
Actually can be able to understand anything I'm saying. Okay,
So this is one of the pieces of dialogue in
the movie that I thought was really clever, and I'm
going to attempt to do it now in this really
bad monster voice on the broadcaster.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
No Bush Temple oiluel oil oil short one. Though I
have not work bushed fresh and stroche, but shu shamfably
out here.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
H sounds pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I feel like I think I can play with that
sound pad actually and like change so it doesn't sound
just like the stored.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
That's kind of cool. I man, I want one. I
want the new version because like I would use that obnoxiously.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I know you would. You would get so much good
do so.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Just like we did on our Myra Hindley episode that
my brother was like, it was he's pretty he just
did that. I was like, well, we pushed the boundaries
on things is kind of what we do. But it
does work well with what he's saying some of the lines. Yeah,
it's kind of clever. I just like, I always watch

(28:34):
these movies. I know it's their late nineties, and you know,
there was probably there's probably so many people. There's so
much chatter of like how they're gonna make it. So
many different people be like, we need to do it
this way. We gotta, you know, take away this on
the budget, we have to do whatever it may be.
But it's a good concept. But I just felt like
I was like, I don't know, I could be a

(28:55):
little more clever if you sat there and thought about
the wishes and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, well, they became very formulaic. I mean, I think
they were just the concept came up and they were
just sort of trying to follow the beats of like
what audiences were enjoying at the time. The Blu Ray
collection for this is actually a really nice cover that's
cool narily and there's like a shit ton of extras

(29:21):
on it. Not that I wanted any of the extras,
bar the first two. I didn't realize, like, how if
you think it's bad, now, just give it another few
minutes till we get further down the franchise, and now
it's just fucking awful. The dream sequence when Alex is
sitting on the bench at the tennis court, I did
like that jump scare when she picks up the ball.

(29:42):
I thought that was quite good. There's a scene in
the Room of Gods. I thought that was great. There's actually,
if you look closely, there's a Pazuzu statue in the room.
I thought that was cool. Like you said before, I
did kind of like the idea that they actually showd
some things that.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Are just kind of cool, Like that's it.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, I like a lot of times these I feel
like creatures. They really could have leaned into that, and
you could have made it like even more interesting. Now. Look,
I know, obviously it's a ninety minute kind of like
shlocky nineties horror movie, so they didn't want to lean
too much into that. But you could make a really
good movie there if you leaned into it.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Premise Wise, you could go back in time and show
them like in the desert by the pyramids or some shit,
and have like these gin controlling like them the Anaki
or whatever, right, and controlling some of the emperors and
influencing them and all that type of stuff. It could
like imagine like The Mummy, you know, meets like some

(30:46):
sort of like like Jupiter ascending like this, like kind
of like sci fi horror kind of type film.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
It could like if they did that, now, it could
be awesome.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
I did write something down and I can't remember remember
specifically what I was talking about. Now, Oh, that's it here.
Let me I'll bring this up for if you are
if you are viewing it on video, you'll be able
to see it. But if you're not, you can check that.
You can just check out an image of it. It's
a scene in the lab. So after he spawns out

(31:19):
and he's not Varne Treyer anymore, and he's like a
full sized human. Remember he's taking the dude's face. He
does that thing where he like takes their face so
he can like assume the role of like human or whatever.
And a kid comes in to as he's doing that,
and like he's like, oh, ship or whatever he's holding.

(31:42):
I literally wrote when I say a kid like he's
like a teenager or whatever he is, he's like a
you know he's in like high school or college or whatever.
And all I wrote down was sideshow bob. And I
want people to tell me if you agree here that's like,
that's like side your mom and actually does kind of
look like billy.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
You know what's funny. When we're doing an episode about
Alistair Crowley and shot stuff, people will bring up how
he looked like that guy from People Under the Stairs.
Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Oh god, I would take anything on her neck because
that guy is horrific. Christ Almighty. I do like Andrew
dave Off as the Gin. To be honest with you,
I don't think he plays quite a good See does.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
He play the costume and the shape ship thinks?

Speaker 1 (32:30):
So?

Speaker 3 (32:31):
I think so he does it like I think it
could be a little better, but it's it's a goofy
late nineties horror movie.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, he uses I'm like some yeah, and some of
the stuff when he's the when he's the Gin, and
he's going like choose yo, wishes done all this and
like as if they fucking much snow. I don't know
about that it's a little bit weird. I was like,
you're getting a little bit parvy and weird there.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
I don't know if I like that or not very
cheap just why I say it's it's cheesy or.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Might get it like they were trying to probably make
him seem like kind of sneaky and like creepy. I'm like,
all right, we'll get relaxed. Though it's a bit like
so some of the way he pronounces some of the stuff, and.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Like, I guess, see this wass to be like a
snake like creature.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I don't know what. Oh yeah, remember when he gets
the new suit and the chick is like helping him
fit it on, and then he just turns it into
a manequin kind of funny. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
I just wrote him when he gets his new suit
and he changes the woman into annequin. I thought that
was a funny touch. Again, a classic nineties like kind
of thing. You wouldn't see that nowadays. That's weird stuff,
kind of fun.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, the one with Elijah what even Yeah, I love mannequins.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
And I don't know what this is. Oh yeah, in
the police station when he takes over that guy, I
thought the effects there amazing. I don't know if I
can get the images of he rips the guy's jaws,
like some of the special effects on this, and obviously
it being Robert Cartson, you know, that's what he's noted for.

(34:12):
So I mean, he's not he's not going to he's
not going to slump or whatever on on a showing
that stuff.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
There. I thought that was great. Like, I love ship
like that man, even though, like you know, you could
look at it and say, oh, it kind of looks
a bit fake or whatever, I don't care. I love it.
I love it.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
I looking his.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Tongue is like flopping out and shit, I I I am.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
On board with you. I love practical effects, special like
what the fuck? You know what I mean. That's why
I say it was a different time though, because when
I saw this stuff when I was a kid, I
was like, WHOA, that's fucked up. Nowadays, I'm like, you know,
you can clearly tell how like animatronic and like, uh,
practical it is. But I like that about those movies

(35:01):
in the nineties for that reason. Right, It's just always
interesting for me to watch movies and there's something that
I'll like really like and enjoy. Like a long time ago,
me and Anton did a did we covered House? Yeah,
And it's a I think I can remember watched House
one or two. I think it was the more absurd one,

(35:23):
and it was just like I watched it House by
myself the first and I actually really liked it. It
was kind of goofy and fun, and I like some
of those, especially those eighties movies that I haven't seen,
like when I I've never seen already we covered this
for the people that don't know, definitely go back. I
think it's a really fun episode. It's like Sleepway Camp.
I only ever saw that when I was younger, but

(35:44):
then I was able to watch it as I got older,
and I absolutely loved it. Of like a slasher film,
especially from like how low budget it is. It's such
a fun and weird, fun like perspective of like the Killer,
Like I actually really like that. And there's some movies
that I watch and nowadays as an adult that I've
never seen. I'm like, Okay, I give it credence for

(36:05):
what it was at the time, right, and like how
it paved the way for weird movies like this. You know,
It's like Okay, we've done Freddy Krueger, We've done Jason
voorh He's a hockey mask wielding maniac, a shaddy wielding maniac.
Now let's make a reptilian type creature that kills you

(36:25):
with wishes. You know, without them, this never comes to be.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, Like, I did love it. I love the plot
device that he can pretty much be anybody. I thought
that was very clever.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Can we get it? Con versus wish Master.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Something I'm going to talk about shortly, but yeah, I
did like the idea of that. I thought it was
unique and it kind of makes for interest and back
and forth between characters. You could keep the audience guess
and I definitely think you could utilize that if you
were to remake this, and it could be very clever.
I do absolutely love the look of the gin, to
be honest. The face and the face the first Yeah,

(37:04):
the teeth, the red and yellow wise, those like tent
If you look, they actually spend time his like tentacle hair. Shit,
they actually spend time day. They made those robotic so
somebody was able to actually control them. If you look
at their certain scenes, his tentacles are moving as he's.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Talking, like a snake like meducer.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, so they built that into it. I do think that.
Like the I like the armor as well, like his
his outfit or whatever you call it. I did like
his armor. I don't know. I just think it's a
cool looking character. I don't care what anybody says. I
love nineties shlock and this is like the picle of that.
To be honest, When we get into His Layer, I

(37:47):
love that as well. The visuals there of all the
trapped bodies and like he's sitting on the throne and
he has those like dog creatures or whatever. You like
that as well. There's like there's a lot of cool
imagery here. I think. Considering that it's you know, it's
like you said, like always nineties movie or whatever, I

(38:10):
still did enjoy a lot of the visuals I brought up.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Let's put it like wish master full monster tattoos. He
looks cross eyed this image.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Some of the some of the images I don't know
if they're from the first movie or not. I found
out a lot, like they say in the first movie
and they're.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Not remember this which one I think that's the second one?
So weird man.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, I did love his Layer. It looks like Tony. Actually,
it was like, there's the guy.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
The guy in the background looks like he's from Mortal Combat.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Oh yeah, I know. I love those movies as well.
There's another time.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Full Body. I guess it really doesn't show you too much.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
But yeah, I like I I really do like those
scenes where he's in his like his layer. Yeah. I
I absolutely like love. Like, for example, let me just
like like that ship there. I don't care anyone says

(39:33):
that's cool with me.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
I think that's cool.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, you're sitting on that throne.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Man boy is coming out.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, when he's sitting on that throne and like all
I do actually all that stuff around him, that's all
the black spandex that stretched out and they just cut
holes in it and put red lights behind it.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Oh well, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
I was like, you know what, it actually works because
obviously you don't sit there staring at it. It's all
done like really quick. You don't actually see that much
of it. Yeah, I I I do love no matter
what form, whether it's like the human or the monster form,
he's like pretty menacing, like he seems kind of can
I even no matter what way he's in that form,

(40:15):
or he's like the human form, he kind of always
smirking always because it has that shitt eat and grin.
I do think it was clever as well to have
the same actor like do the human form.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Because I feel like it'd be weird if they didn't
not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Because like robotic like well, as we get further along
in the franchise, we have two people playing but pay Att, Yeah,
one plays the human, one plays the monster or whatever.
I thought the effects in this movie or for me,
what were the best part? I thought they were unique,
they were unreal. Obviously, Robert Cartsman is not gonna allow

(40:53):
the effects to look ship when he's like at the
pinnacle of horror makeup. I was looking up some of
the stuff that you were saying about, like gins and
things like that for people who are interested. So they're
supernatural beings found in pre Islamic Arabian mythology. I knew

(41:14):
you were going to do that. As a created from
smokeless fire, and they're said to be sentient, they have
free will and can be good or bad. They exist
in a parallel world invisible unless they choose to reveal themselves.
That's supposed to be like the actual lore. They're the

(41:34):
diverse with their abilities and personalities. So there's some well
known types of gins as well. I'm sure you probably
know about a lot of these.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
ME and Billy Caver three years ago. I think at this.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Point, I would imagine that a lot of this is
probably covered in a Strange Grew episode. If you do
want to check that out, I can put it in
the description down below. So we have the the married Gin,
which is the most powerful and rebellious. It is considered
the classic version of the Gin, a wish granting genie.

(42:08):
There's the Iffrit, which is fiery, often associated with trickery
and destruction. There is the Ghoul, which is shape shifting
known for preying on travelers and eating human flesh, which
I thought was quite interesting. And I do know there
is another one. I didn't write down a name for

(42:29):
some reason. I have wicked Gin related to demons and satan.
I don't know why I didn't get them.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Well, all their stories are just the same stories.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Essentially, they were believed to inhabit deserts, ruins, and abandoned places,
avoiding humans. Some folklore suggested they could fall in love
with humans for impacts and take revenge if wronged. Here's
an interesting one, right, you know the way we were
always like we kind of love the idea of like

(43:00):
Leprechaun in the Hood and stuff like that. Right, So
here's something I think you'll appreciate this now. And I
had to actually to give the guy I.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Was gonna say, right, it's it's because I've grew up
watching Leprechaun that it's like in my heart more than
miss Is right where I'm like, I love those like, hey,
listen to the episode. I had so many fun times
to me and my friends just laughing at those fucking movies.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
So here's something that I want to see if you're
gonna yay or nay this idea. So on Reddus there's
a huwe a user called Nimble Patriots, right, I want
to give him or horror a shout out. They had
a fantastic idea, right for another movie in the franchise
now in the elaborate on like what the story would involve,

(43:46):
but they just called it wish Master in the Hood
gin as in Dji n And and Juice.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
That's awesome. Why couldn't we have that one? I would
have watched that one.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I will say this movie does sit atop my list
of potential rebood ideas. If Lord of Illusions would be
another one for me. I would love to see Andrew
Devaff return as wish Master, but told to be more serious,
I'd not do the goofy kind of like you wishes
and do all that all be a bit more serious.

(44:22):
I can see what that would look like. I know
Robert Kurtzman done an interview a few years ago a
Bloody Disgusting, and they talked about different concepts for the
original that were kind of taken out or changed. So
like he was going to have all this tribe like
the actual character was going to have all this tribal
scarring on him, and like all these body modifications. He

(44:44):
was going to have a head gear made of skull bondes.
I was looking at some of the drawns. One of
them actually looks like Vekna from Stranger Things. To be honest,
this was another thing that I thought was this is
the last thing I wrote down for the movie. Towards
the very end, there is some absolutely bizarre dialogue from

(45:07):
the Gene and all of a sudden he says something
along the lines of fuck it. I say, if you
can't beat them, burn them, baby. I remember thinking, like,
I know, the movie as a whole is quite goof goofy,
but it's weird. There's there's like a part there that
we hit like over three quarters through the movie where

(45:30):
his dialogue just takes a complete nose dive, and I'm like, Okay,
we're leaning into the goofiness, but now you've gone like
it's not even self aware anymore. It's like, what is this?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
That's why I'm like, it's so cringey. Some of the
parts of the dialogue, like that kills it is like
for what it is, it is what it is, but
it's still a pretty cringey horror movie on face value. Right,
if I were to like show someone now aday, like,
if I were to show Billy this movie, he would

(46:00):
just laugh at it. He'd think it's ridiculous. Right, I'm like, yo,
check out this movie. He sat there, he had a
beer and watched it. He was like what He'd be like,
what the fuck am I watching?

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I could understand that. I would
definitely like, I know, I'll definitely watch this again at
some point, so.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
I'll give it, you know. We'll start off out of.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
I don't even know, man.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Out of ten Aladdin Lamps.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Nice?

Speaker 3 (46:33):
How many rubs would you give it.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Out of ten?

Speaker 3 (46:39):
I'll let me say mine first. I'll give it a
fucking four.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Half, maybe seven and a half just.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Because I will watch it again.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
That's yeah. Maybe it's maybe a six if I was
really really really going to push it for like nostalgia.
But I would say somewhere around five five point five. Okay,
so we've covered the original. So then somebody thought it
would be a great idea in nineteen ninety nine to

(47:12):
release a direct video sequel called wish Master two Evil
Never Dies, which is also a dark fantasy horror film
and a sequel to the nineteen ninety seven film wish Master.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Go Look up mister Hyde. Evil Never Dies. It is
a great song.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
It was released on March twelfth on TV, and then
it was released on DVD on August seventeenth, nineteen ninety nine,
and it was bundled with the first movie. It had
a budget of half of what the original had, a
two point five million, so I can clearly tell not

(47:51):
so Grace. I guess you could say, yeah, I don't know.
So this story the Evil Gin is awakened by a
female Tieth Morgana during a botched robbery. He takes credit
for the crime, letting himself be put into prison so
that he can offer twisted wishes to prisoners in return

(48:12):
for their souls in his quest to collect one thousand
and one souls and begin the apocalypse. I mean, again,
quite generic, campy tongue in cheek. It is entertaining to
a degree if you know what you're getting into. Like,
it's very very.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
He was like, I wish I was never That guy's
got some fucking issues. And then he's like he like
just he goes into like I thought that was interesting,
but so dumb how he's like it's like he's like
I think it gets shot or something like that, and
then trying like the thieves or trying to steal some
stuff from whatever that museum, and he's like, I wish
I was never born. And then you see him like

(48:56):
goes like to a teenager to like a baby, and
then he like disc and it's like that guy clearly
has some fucking issues.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah, I don't know. It's so this was directed by
a guy called Jack Shoulder, who I thought this was
quite interesting from listening to the commentary, he was offered
the original and turned the original down. So then for
some reason he thought it'd be a good idea to
fucking make the sequel. So I didn't like the idea

(49:29):
of the original so much that I didn't direct it.
So I thought it'd be a great idea to wait
till someone else makes it and then make a sequel
to that movie. I didn't want to direct in the
first less, why like, is it because he wasn't getting
any well. He did actually say that then he was like, well,
you know what, the well was drying up, so I
gotta make to make some money, honey, you know what

(49:50):
I do like when someone says that. He also had
written and directed Alone in the Dark, that nineteen eighties
movie slasher movie that's quite good. He directed Nightmare on
three two, and he also directed a Racknid that spider
movie from two thousand and one?

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Is that with David Riquette? Now that was that?

Speaker 2 (50:10):
That was a reckon for it was not. Yeah, there's
there's like ship Lodge the same movie. There's a cool collection.
So that that kind of tells you the kind of
realm we're putting this into you. How Pumpkinhead two, Leprecha
on wish Master one on wish Master two.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Yes, this movie was.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Yeah, yeah, well said that, Yeah yeah, Evil never dies.
Evil has been summoned again. Not as clever as the
first one, but okay. This was originally due to go
theatrical and a change of management caused it to go
direct the video, So originally this was going to come
out togethers.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
I'm not gonna lie. I don't have it. I just
haven't much to get things to say about this. There
is some very memorable scenes. Do you want to get
into one of them? Sure, the jail kill is weird.
Some of the kills in these movies are creative. But
when the lawyer is fucking himself stupidest, I know. I've

(51:13):
never seen something so dumb, But it also made me laugh.
Where he's like he's sitting there and he's like, yo,
I wish my lawyer just go fuck himself, and he's like,
wish granted or whatever, right, and then he goes in.
He's sitting there, he's like, your lawyer's here, and then
his legs break backwards and then he's like literally fucking himself.

(51:33):
It is the weirdest, like clever shore, creative shore fucking weird. Absolutely,
Like that is the craziest scene to put in a
movie of Like, I've never seen something like it where
they make it like literal of the guy fucking himself.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yeah, the only thing I would say, right, So I
did actually have that though, And I said the scene
with the prisoner and the lawyer or whatever when he
wished him to go fuck himself and then he literally
goes and fucks himself. I was like, the one thing
I'll appreciate about this is you will never see that
in the movie ever again.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
No, never like that too, where he's like, oh.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Remember and did the prisoner was like, dude, dude, what
the are you doing?

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Man? I think I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
I wouldn't mind if you look at that scene that
the prison guard is that you standard it is. He's
not even like he's not doing anything. He's not saying
and he's not making any expression. He's just he doesnt
behind that. Yeah, kind of weird.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Strange.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Also another thing that I forgot to mention about the
first movie, so every time Andrew deve Off is on screen,
he doesn't blink. Ever, is he a.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Reptility in himself? Look at his ears he has, like
like Elfie.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
I know he's quite and his face is quite weird, right,
I know it's not just me. It feels like his.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Face is odd. Oh I was gonna say about that.
I was like, the guy crucified his.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
So I can deal with it only for the fact
that the green screening on it is dreadful.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Okay, Like, the only reason why I think these movies
are even worth watching is because it is a fun movie. Like,
at some point, if we could ever do a watch
long even for Patreon, I think it just be worth
it for the aspect of they are fun and they
are ridiculous, and that's these are the movies you watch
with your homies. This is it's for fun. Like oh yeah,
when the chicks like shipping out.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
Coins because she's like a slot machine, I will say,
like they are these first two movies, like I I
have to say, I do kind of enjoy I thought
the practical effects again were grace Yeah, and the practice
efects were great.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
The shot when the the guy who wishes he was
out of a cell and the gin grants it by
literally pulling him through the bars and he's been like
torn to shreds. I missed.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, no one. I also realized, dude, technically
the guy saying you wish he was never born would
have undone the heist, and the movies wouldn't have been there.
Wouldn't have been a movie, right because technically he wouldn't
have been part of the heist, so it wouldn't have
gone on. These movies are fat through I put there.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
No, I did write down something about that, though I
can't remember exactly where in my notes that I wrote
this down. But so I've seen people bringing that upright,
And so technically there's some sort of lore that they

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explain at some point around the gin where if you
make a wish that directly tries to like undo whatever
causes harm to the gene or something I learned.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
From the first one don't let the drunk guy drive
there the crane.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, but it's something to do with that, where your
wish can directly affect the gene. So that's how he's
able to twist your wish back on you again. Can't
like you can't go like, well I wish you were
fucking dead, I wish you weren't here, and all that
stuff that doesn't work. He's able to like twist it
back on you.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
He definitely plays no rules when it comes to his wishes.
There is no rules.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
He kind of like he just makes up whatever. Yeah,
he just does whatever.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
He's like so many wishes do not make sense, and
he just twists them, like when when he does the
casino thing, it just twisted out of like nothing. And
then I did write the old Lady pissed out gold coins.
It's funny. Oh yeah, and he's like freeze and he
freezes the cop it.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Freezes them jesus. Yeah, it's it has that like nineties
style again as well, like I could feel the nostalgia
of the time. I do love watching movies from this
time period. Balanced I've I've recently been rewatching Tails in
the dark Side and I'm halfway through the Tales from
the Dark Side movie. Dude, we have to cover that
at some point. That it's so fucking good. I just

(55:55):
interviewed the director today. That movie is so much fun
from Yeah, it's from nineteen ninety Georgia Meyro and all
them guys, so good Man. Definitely the practical effects I've
ever seen these, Oh fantastic, the practical effects. And Andrew

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Dave off the best part of this movie for me.
It's a show and it was a movie made as well.
It's as well seeing this the morgana the chick or whatever,
the main chicken. When she's I know, yes, when when

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she's looking up like the Persian mythology, I thought it
was really funny. Again, yeah, probably, And again when they
bring up like the screen of her computer or whatever
and it has like that really weird web browser thing.
It's like webs app service is incorporated as like the
browsers she's using. She's researching something called Ahura Mazda, which

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is a divine This is based on a real thing.
Supposedly it's a divine being from old Iranian religion. In
the film lore, it says that his shadow contains all
that was dark, symbolizing the duality of good and evil,
and is known as the keeper of the Stone of
the Secret Fire, which is the red jewel that the

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Wishmaster is trapped in or whatever. So there was like
little kernels of like cool ideas about lower and backstory,
and then they just kind of glass over and go, yeah,
let's go back to the weird goofy thing again.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
This.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
They these movies are just kind of a ridiculous right,
like even in they, especially of the further we get
along down this road, they keep pushing it more and
more and it becomes more and more ridiculous and more
and more low budget.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
And oh yeah, well they're just having them and having
them and have them. I did like the idea of
horror doing the rituals to like Clenser soul, because someone
that's only pure if heart can like banish him back
to his eternal prison.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Of course.

Speaker 5 (58:09):
I do.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I wrote down his smirk. I do like his smark
throughout the movie. I'll be honest, I cannot lie.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
That's that guy. Like he's in a ton of movies
and shows and he looks just like Dave Chappelle. I
didn't see him in this way.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
That guy's name is.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
He was our show where me and my wife literally.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Yeah, because I used to always like look at him
and be like, oh stick keeping Chris guy.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
That's that's true.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
So he's a character the same he's known as boulkeem Woodbine.
I couldn't figure out where I knew him from, right,
I was like, that's that dude that's like in ship
that I know him What have I see him in
most recently? You know what you saw him in most
recently if you've seen this If you haven't, obviously haven't
he played Shocker and Spider Man Homecoming. Oh yeah, yeah,

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definitely with Michael Keaton. Remember Michael Keaton's Vulture.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
That's definitely that's where I detective or something.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Oh yeah, he's been. Yeah, he's been in a lot
of stuff. I think he's in like all those weird
like n C I S and D S I and
he's been like he's literally been in everything. Fair play,
fair Play.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
I do like that the.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
I did like the where am I going now this time?
I do like the dynamic of the Gin in the
sense that he only really oh yeah, this was something
they talked about in the commentary, which again I feel
like doesn't come across in the movie, but clever. So
the dynamic of the Gin in the sense that he
only really hurts you if you allow it, so to speak,

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So if you're a weak person, he uses who you
really are against you, so like getting you to make
a wish and whatever and known that like you're weak minded,
he's able to like twist it in to allowing him
to hurchase, so he doesn't actively just do things just
like you just walk up to people and go, hey,
I'm just gonna like stab you on that head for
no reason. It's like he's like using their personality against

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them and like the worst parts of them. But I
feel like it's just obviously because it's so goofy, it
doesn't translate at all interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
I think Billy would drown in a bad of beer
or something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
The shower jump scare, I thought that was good as well,
where she's like this real old school scare like but
when she's like in the shower and then she looks
and it's like the blurred shower Curta and he's just
like on the other side of us. I saw dumb,
like but it was like a classic, a classic horror
trop I love it. The production design is really nice.
I thought her left apartment, the prison, the casino.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Yeah, yeah, I guess you could. Yeah, yeah, I guess
you could say that. Like the scenes, like the settings
in the film were like I think, kind of clever,
Like they were yeah, interesting and at least they were
trying to put some into doing that aspect of it.
But like, I don't know the way it's filmed, and
the way it looks and all of it kind of

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reminds me it should be like a like it's like
it like it's like a TV show movie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Yeah, yeah, kind of yeah, that's a weird like lifetime
kind of yes movie kind of feeling the weird the
way they shot it. The I did look up actually,
because when I thought the production design was quite good
for considering how low budget it was, I was like,
let me find out who done the production design. So
it was done by a guy named Alfred Soul who

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actually directed a pretty famous cult horror movie called Alice,
Sweet Alice, and he also wrote that far. If you
look up the cover the artwork, instantly, I'll go, oh
that movie Alice Sweet Alice is the name of the movie.
But yeah, he wrote and directed that movie. And he's
also the production designer for you remember Halloween Town. Yeah, yeah,

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he was. He was the production designer for those movies.
If we could do it, even if we do yeah
yeah yeah yeah, Perc this Halloween that's gonna be our thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
It would be kind of cool. I just like it's
so nostalgic and it is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
I don't know, people won't be able to see this,
But there's the the cover for Alice, Sweet Alice.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
I couldn't just bring it up on screen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
I know, I'm just too lazy to type. I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
You can see the chick is like the killer looks
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember. I feel like I've
seen bits and pieces of it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Yeah, he wrote and directed that movie. I just thought
that was kind of an interesting easter egg there. It's
funny actually to see the inmates and like the the
jean jackets like denim. They're not jumps or whatever, they're
like the jeene jacket things. I thought that was kind
of like a thing, you know, It's like, I mean,

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I guess there's another character. There's another character actor in
this as well. This guy here who is a man
by the name of Tom Lister Junior, who plays the
prison officer Tiny. A very good character actor as well.
Some of you may know him. Some of you may

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know him as deebo In. He plays Winston and Jackie Brown.
And he was also the w w F superstar Zeus.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Huge in the sho or whatever. It's him and the
brother remember.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Oh I didn't even put two together. Wow, Little Nikki.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
And then he's one of the brothers for some strange reason.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Oh yeah he is too yeah weird? Yeah, like, oh
yeah there look well I actually never realized that that
was the costume.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Yeah, he is definitely a cross eyed too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
He embraces that ship as well. He had some big
match with Colvin years ago that was like the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
And then shaved head. Yeah, like his eyes mad like
he looks like Ford. I guess I have to embrace it.
Ess actually, like yeah, I mean I guess Friday, why
not he's gonna to brow? Why is it like so weird?

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Oh yeah, he also we look ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
He's he's dead. That's sad.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Yep. Five years ago I had to test looking great.
Oh my god, that was all the time of the arts.
Oh my god, what the fuck? Yeah, I don't think

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the director of this, Jack Shoulder, I don't think he
got offered the sequels, but he did say that they
had planned to make two sequels. So this was the
funny thing. So he found out while they were making
the film that they had already planned They didn't know
what the stories were going to be, but they had
planned to Why do they do this shit? And right
the studio, Wait, here, this, wait, here, this now right?
They did not from the job, I don't think, but

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they said to them, oh yeah, we're going to make
two more sequels after this. And they said that they're
going to make two more sequels back to back or
half for half the budgets of what they gave this
one movie. They were going to make two movies for
half of that, so they were going to get seven
hundred and fifty thousand each. So number one had five

(01:05:38):
Now make me my money, bitch, Like what Number one
had five million?

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Didn't do so well? Number two had two and a
half million, done less well. So they thought the best
thing to do was give the next two movies seven
hundred grand each and somehow they'll make money. So crazy,
terrible idea.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
I don't know, Like I don't have I think all
these movies are kind of ridiculous. But the second one
is the least matter than the third one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent. The makeup design again, and
this one was decent, was underrated. I think it's up
there with some of the best harror makeups. I think
the casino was actually a department store that was turned
into casino. Interesting, smaller than I guess so, yeah, well,
supposedly if you look at the shots, which is not
something you do when you're watching a movie normally, but
if you watch that scene over and over again, you

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see the same like four slot machines and the same
blackjack table and the same thing over and over again.
They just shot it from different so it looks like
they're walking through and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
I guess it makes sense to you like that you're
being I mean, it's clever, smart.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Yeah, well they have fucking no money. It's crazy as
well to think that. In nineteen ninety nine, the CGI
shots in this were considered good, and even the director
says that he said, like, when we put the CG
shots in this, the this was considered like you know,
cottone and shit that we were doing. And he was like,
it's crazy now because it was like a sixteen year

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old with a laptop in his bedroom, like would literally
create better graphics.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Is That's why I like thinking it earlier? How much
technology has changed in like those computers. It's like beeboop
bee boop translating seven hours later you get like the
translation of some Arabic texts from back in the day
or whatever, right, and then the's like you have like
the ability to literally ask like AI anything not that's
going to tell you the truth. But I'm able to
create any image or whatever and be like create this

(01:07:29):
image for me. You know, it'll do it. And it's
just like imagine what the I always say is imagine
what the technology they are hiding from us?

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
I know, righte.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
I saw another thing I noticed while I was watching this,
and I don't know if you'll agree with me here, right,
but the scene where uh, I don't know if this
is a sign of like the time period or the era,
but the scene where Morgana and the priest dude facing
off with the gin in the casino, and remember, doesn't

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she say something like get away from me, and then
she goes like, oh, go to hell. And then he's like, oh,
go to hell your wishes and then he brings her
to hell, which is clever, right, half funny, cool, right,
But before that point, before that point, they're in like

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some weird casino room thing, remember, and like horror, and
the priest on one side of the room and the
gin is on the other and they're having this weird
like nothing's happened and he's not attacking them. They're not
trying to do anything. They're just like talking at each other.
And it felt very like I wrote down like Buffy
the Vampire Slayer and all nineties TV shows I feel like,

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had this scene in every episode where Buffy would like
square up to like whatever villain from that episode, but
they wouldn't actually be fighting yet. They'd be just like
talking about, like, well, buddy, if you don't go back
to the shadow realm, I'm gonna have to roundhouse kick you.
And then he'd go ha haaa, roundhouse kicks can't do
anything to me. And then she'd be like, yeah, but
I'll craddy chop you, and he go hah ha craddy chops.

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I don't care about that, And like, if you actually
watched that scene, I'm like what.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
That's why I said it looks like a nineties like show.
It isn't a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Just go straight to hell. Don't have that conversation where
are you talking?

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Just fight?

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Just do something else.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
If not like that, they want you to get right
into that fighting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
The hell scene was I mean, not badly shocked considering
how old budget it was. It was super cheesy, like,
but I mean it could have been a million times worse.
I feel like I didn't like when he was crucified.
I thought this the greens being on that just looked
like do it made me laugh so hard, and he's
like he's going he's not even accident.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Well, it's just man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Do you know what That's the worst part about putting
people in those early days of green screen. I think
actors had no context as to how CG was actually
going to work at the time, So when they were
told to you know that dude was probably told to
get right. You're on a crucifix and you're burning and
you're being stabbed and you're being tortured and whatever, so
just act that way, and like in nineteen ninety eight,

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you probably have no fucking concept. You're like, what, so
you're going like and then when they when they superimpose
you onto this, it just looks fucking trandful.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
It's terrible. Man. I thought it was funny though it
made me. It gave me a good chuckle, So that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
I causeino scene was fun when he locked all the
people in and they were getting attacked by like coins
and like the balls off the coins, and then I
literally just I ended my notes as abruptly as the
movie ends. I just went ending was all right, I
suppose for a subparwer movie, fairly unremarkable, to be honest,

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don't even really remember what just happened. Seems to end abruptly.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
It's pretty awful. Sounds like I don't really know what
to say about this movie, and it's gonna get worse
as we go. Oh yes, it gets fucking horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
How many many gold coins are you gonna give this one?
Out of ten?

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
I'm gonna give it one shekel.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Wow, I'm gonna give it a.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
I'm gonna rip it off the corners though. Hence why
we have those ridges on coins is because certain people
of tiny will hatch to shave off the sides of it.
So I'm gonna give it one of those coins the
shaped off. Oh god, so it's not even a one.
It's like half of one because I stole the.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
So yeah, I'll give it like a four point five
or five. It's like, okay, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
You're that It's okay, I'll give it. I'll give it
like a three three point five.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
The reason I'm given to that now, I'm including like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Because if you watch it with your homiees that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Like, yeah, because I like we would watch this and
laugh and that that that's enough for me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
That chick piss out coins and maybe flat pretty hard.
She's like, I'm rich, bitch Chappelle, you know I do
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
So then right after the raving success of those two movies,
because they went so well, we get wish Master three
Beyond the Gates of Hell also known as Wishmaster three
devil Stone in the United Kingdom. This is a two
thousand and one American fantasy horror for them directed by
Chris Angel No Not who You're thinking of Well, Starring

(01:12:37):
Jason Connery and aj Cook. It is the third installment
in the franchise, although John Novak replaces Andrew deeve Off
as the gin in the movie. It was the second
director video sequel in the franchise, and it was filmed
in Winnipeg, Manitoba.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Canada with a peg no wonder, It's garbage, doesn't care Anymore.
Both films three and four were shot in sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Days, which is you Can You Can Tell Though you
can Tell Yeah, directed by Chris Angel. He also directed
the Fear Freak Sorry Mister October. He's best known probably
as an editor for many different documentaries. Bad Andrew Novak

(01:13:29):
replaces the amazing Andrew Devoff, as it seems as the gene.
Andrew Novak is also in Dark Man three, Phantom of
the Megaplex, which I would fucking love to cover on
the show Look up Phantom and the Megaplex. You love
that shit?

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Is that that Disney movie? It's like a white movie.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Love it? And he was also most recently in Home
Sweet Home Alone, Yeah, Go Away, Dart. So I'm gonna
start off by saying, if you even watched the trailer
for this movie, you can tell straight away that the

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production value is considerably considerably lower, like unbelievably low, Like
to the point where when I watched the trailer, I went,
I'm not sure I can sit through this movie?

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Can I be honest?

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
You didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
I watched the whole thing about both three and four
because I couldn't stomach. I tried to watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
I watched this twice.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Wow, I watched it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
We have some of the images. Let me show you
some with the commentary track and without the commentary track.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
It looks frightening, doesn't it? Very scary? Very scary horror movie?
Totally not low budget.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
This movie is fucking now right. I try, right, I
try right a lot to like see the good in things. Right,
I don't like stuff because I've never made a movie.
So it's very hard for me to sit here on
a high horse and say, whoad garbage. You didn't do

(01:15:07):
this because I haven't a clue. Right. But when I
say this movie is fucking garbage, I mean this movie
is absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
I literally wrote, Wow, definitely more low budget wish masters
like garbage. Look at those ears?

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Oh what are dolls? What are dolls? Man? Have those
big goofy ear lobes that are hanging on I know
that's my grand fired.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
You look stupid man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
He goes to hell on the small bust.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Dude, Yeah he does. I tried to. I think I
tried to watch the third one and I was like,
I can't. This is so dumb. I was literally I
think I was skimming through it. Well, I'm like, okay,
where does this go? Okay, where does he come up?
And I said, this is awful. The wishes are out
of control and ridiculous. The movie contradictions. Talking to Drakes
yourself so cheesy. IP, see this trash fight scene the

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Demon and the douchebag angel.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Oh oh oh, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to
go a scart start.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
It's so bad, dude, it's like he gets sword like like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
So, not only did they recast the gin, obviously he
doesn't look anything the same.

Speaker 6 (01:16:24):
Look picture, look at the picture even on the cover
of the DVD. It looks terrible, doesn't look menacing at all,
just looks goofy. And then even the guy, the guy
that they used. If you go there where they're tending
to his wounds, it's up in the top or the
two guys they're talking.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Look, he's like talking to him. And so the blonde guy,
the English guy with the English accent, yeah, him, like
he's supposed to be like the human form or whatever
of the Gin. Okay, it doesn't look anything as like
creepy run set and as Andrew Deveoff has an English
accent which just doesn't fit either. And it's just goofy.

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You know, I actually wrote this down. The dude who
was supposed to be taken over by the Gin and
playing the human version, the professor or whatever he is,
he plays like a really bad and goofy ass doctor
who episode from the early two thousands. This is what
this movie felt like to me. I was like, this
is like some weird doctor who like BBC.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
It seems like, you know, a shitty Buffy episode. I like,
there are so many how many episodes of Buffy were there?
And this is just like with low budget terrible makeup, Like, like,
what is he looks like?

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
So he looks like that right now? I did write
down that the practical effects were still quite good in parts,
but his makeup.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Is just what's with the giant eeers?

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
It just makes it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Don't like off. I can't. I can't keep looking at him.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
That's so bad. I have nothing. I said, Oh my god,
the blow me wish is corny as fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
The shot at the start of the university and the
opening when she goes up on the roof, that's the
University of manitob But I did actually like that shot.
It kind of made the the setting feel quite like
big the professor flirting with the lead actress was creepy.
Was there a reason that this troupe got used so

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much in movies at that time? Weird?

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Yeah, I know, probably because it was actually happening.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Yeah, that's literally when I wrote that down instantly, I
thought of you saying that that's like weird DejaVu.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
We just did cry Wolf and that was like literally
part of that entire movie.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Shit.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
And then you know, I told you about the stories
of the people I knew.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Do you know what he reminds me of as well?
And his voice, I said, the voice and the look
of the Gin was like some bad villain character from
Dirogate TV show.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
You know what reminded me of? Like it did? It
reminded me of like like a y TV of people
who know with that is like kind of family channel,
like scary movie they would make around Halloween where they
just had like maybe a couple thousand bucks to throw
at it. And it's it's terrible. I don't have many
things to say about this film. The ending when the

(01:19:25):
demon and the Dangel warrior fighting is literally one of
the worst scenes I've ever seen in a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Yeah, John Connery, I think it is his name who
played the professor and then he was like taken over
by the Gin. I just had to write down. Heat
is fucking garbage, like just outright garbage. And I don't
even know if I can say it's just a material
he's garbage. The two women roubing the professor down while
they were topless and then they attack him. That scene

(01:19:55):
was actually actually like that. See, yeah, I did actually
like that. There's a lot of titties in this movie actually,
which I did quite enjoy. That's not a nice one,
so that was good. The scene of the gin caught
in the professor's face off with his nail.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Actually, I have to watch this whole movie.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
He like he gets his big, long, darty nail and
he like peels it around his face and then peels
it off and puts it on him.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
It's probably because I breezed through this one that I
watched the YouTube think about it. So that's probably why
I didn't get to see. There the titties.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Yeah, there's a lot of titties.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
It's this why we're terrible. But it's just to bring
it back to the first one. This is the picture, Like,
how terrible this looks. That's the cane hodder.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Yeah, that's just got awful that that's like the worst
thing in the old franchise Nerdy for me, I'm like,
get that away.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
It looks terrible. It's so crazy. How like they're like,
we need to keep making these and make another one,
make two in sixteen sixteen days. That's not like a
smart idea.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
I put down. I'll be honest, the only redeeming quality
is the makeup of practical effects on the kills. Other
than that, this movie is god awful. Shot sixteen days
back to back with number four I missed, Okay, nice, yeah,
like you said, Shot in sixteen days back to back
with number four just terrible. Here's another thing right, which

(01:21:15):
has been a long time, I've listened to a lot
of commentary tracks, and I always enjoyed them. I wrote down,
commentary track is fucking unbearable, not funny at all. The
director and the actors try to be funny throughout the
whole commentary track with all these cringey in jokes and

(01:21:36):
sexual innuendos. That just doesn't come off funny. It comes
off creepy, which is exactly like I had a hard
time getting through the commentary track. I was like, you know,
because I want to find out like maybe the least
dregs or shit that people never heard of before, and
like I was having a hard time listen to it.
So here's something interesting, right that people might not know

(01:21:56):
about this so Andrew Devoff, who played Jane obviously in
the first two movies, he was supposed to come back
for number three. He had even written a script for
the movie called wish Master the Third Millennium. The story
would have revolved around the panic surrounding Why two.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
K that's kind of interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
The script opened with an American warship getting Now this
sounds really weird, bizarre to me. The script His script
opened with an American warship getting struck by a missile
in Asia, while the meeting at the un had been
interrupted by creatures coming to life and tearing the crowd apart.

(01:22:39):
He said in an interview he put a lot of
time and care into it. The studio hated the idea,
saying it was too expensive and too ambitious. When they
showed him the script that they chose, he just walked
off the project. He was like, I'm not this is garbage.
I'm not doing this. If you think my idea is garbage,
this is just god awful. I'm gone.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
In the third one and was like fuck this.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Yeah. When they showed him to the thing, he was like, wow, garbage,
I'm not doing that. I wrote down the church and
religion setting is old and tired at this point to
be hound like doing that thing, and like, stop doing that,
stop copying every other movie that does the fucking church
alter and religious thing, Like you've done that number two
as well with the Priest. I don't want to be

(01:23:24):
back doing that again. Too many again.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
I love titties, right, I love women. Women any women
listening love youse are great, but there is way too
many pointless and useless sexually induendos.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
The reason why they're like, oh, we can afford this
a little bit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
It's just boring though, Like I'm all for titties and
nudity and stuff, but like this was just boring. I
was like, wow, why does this keep happening?

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
That's why I said. I tried to watch the third
one and then it really was boring me. So I
was like, you know what, I'll watch on YouTube and
let it explain it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
There is the same when a chick pukes up her
own guts, which is quite good. You actually get to
see her puke her own insides out all over the
floor and into her hands, which is quite interesting. So right, okay,
so here's something interesting. Right, So she wishes for Archangel
Michael to come and help her, and with the Wishmaster

(01:24:23):
grants it. Now, am I right in saying isn't that
against the lower I thought that he wouldn't grant anything
that directly put him in danger. Yeah, So if he
wouldn't grant anything to put him in danger, why would
he allow her to have help from Archangel Michael? I know, right,
that makes no sense.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
So that's why I said the movie contradicts itself.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
The church fight is fucking garbage. Oh my god. The
editing is off, Like they didn't even try to edit out.
There's parts where they're swinging right, He's like swinging that
stick thing or whatever he has, and I'm like he
is literally like fifteen feet away from the dude, but
the dude is ducking like I know, like jumping back

(01:25:07):
and stuff, and like he's not even near you. You
don't you don't actually have to move because he's not
anywhere near you. It just looks and then like they
get the gin to run. There's one part where he
like he runs up the fucking middle of the church
and he like does he like spear the guy or something,
and the Preestchols like, oh, he's like flying like this,
Oh my god, how bad is that?

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
I saw most of that scene and it's got awful.
Hence why like I wrote how bad it was, so
I'm like, this is like the cringey and the guy
like the guy's playing the archangel is so douchey. Oh,
I don't beg any of the actors in this movie.
It's so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
I really hate the professor guy, the blonde guy. I
hate him so much. And he even sounds like a
dick as well on the commentary, like the actual actor
and like, why you're annoying? We get a scene with
a girl getting her head bitten by labrats the cage.
Wow Gray, Oh look another Gin versus Michael fight. Car

(01:26:07):
crashes similar to the lead chicks parents or something replicating
got parents died in the car crash. No one gives
a fuck. That happens right in the end for people
that just summed thething to watch this literally right in
the end. Diana's attempt to commit suicide by jumping off

(01:26:30):
a building gives her the ability to use Saint Michael's sword, right,
which I don't understand. I don't know why her committing
suicide would have anything to would be able to use
the sword against kills the Gin, but is fatally injured
by the fall Saint Michael. This is now. This is
word for word, everybody. This is word for work. So

(01:26:53):
she impales him on the sword and they both fall
and like she's like fatally injured, it's Saint Michael reappears
and heals her and then returns to heaven. Diana can
finally tell her boyfriend she loves him and move on
with her life. Oh ye, garbage, I'm gonna get.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Literally is zero.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
I'm given this a zero. I think it's the first
movie on the show that we've ever given a zero.
This is getting a zero.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
This is like I feel that I gave something a
minus three ones and you were like, I'll get it
like a two. I can't remember what that was. I
was like, there was terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
I don't know what this is. Oh my good lord,
this is I don't even know what.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
To say about, like a wishmaster for even because I
was like, this looks so awful, terrible, low budget, Why
even make it the same big eared, terrible looking Genie. God,
it looks like a terrible nineties mini series. The Gin
looks like my Grandpa before he died. Oh nice, Oh
my god, the hunter awful. And I wrote that last bottom,

(01:28:01):
I'll never watch these again.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
I'll never watch three and four it ever again in
my entire life, ever ever.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
So terrible. It's not it was not even worth like, oh,
it's not a joke and a fun It does look
like a terrible mini series, like, like I said, something
you would see on like y TV, something that you
just watch because the TV's on or whatever, and it's
like so fucking terrible. Yeah, like it's I don't know,
I don't even know what to say.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Yes, so what we're talking about everybody is wish Master
for the prophecy fulfilled his name but again it's directed
by Chris aye Jeb was filmed back to back with
the number three. There is a special feature.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Right, the cover looks so cool and that like the
one cover that they try to like. The other covers
look trash. I'll bring them up, but it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Them. There's a special feature, right, I have just two
movies in sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
Days on the like, this looks cool, like the cover cool?
This one does? This one does not so absolutely weird,
like it looks like you know when they had fat
Hel Raiser. I actually didn't watch that movie, but I
kind of want to just for fun. But you know
when they had fat Hel Raiser, it's like the same thing,
like what happened to it?

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Yeah, this is not good. It's not good. But yeah,
like I was saying, right, So there's a special feature
on the the Vestern video Blue re read that I have, right,
and the special feature let me see you can I
find it here? Yeah? So there is a special feature
on the Blue rear for Pared four called wish Masterpiece,

(01:29:40):
right mm hmm. And it is the This is literally
what I wrote down word for word. It is the
weirdest shit I have ever seen, pure garbage, maybe even
worse than the movie. So it's a behind the scenes
thing right where they're showing how they made the movie.
It's shot like someone shot on like a fucking like

(01:30:01):
a camcorder, and there's this weird ass voice, this weird
like kind of English accent dude going like hello again,
and here are our special features for And then they're
like and they're trying to be like funny about it,
and I'm like, this isn't even coming across funny, know,
this is coming across like some dumb ass like this
is like if you were trying to torture me, you
would strap me down and like make me watch or

(01:30:25):
listen to this. So I'm gonna give everybody just for
so you get a little bit of backstory here. This
is the plot of the movie, right, So if you're
not you're not really engrossed yet, I'm gonna make sure
to really sell this movie to you. Lisa Barnley owns
a boutique and lives with her beloved boyfriend Sam, who

(01:30:45):
becomes crippled and very bitter after a motorbike accidents. Sam's lawyer,
Stephen Verdel, has a crush on Lisa. The wish Master
possesses Stephen and attempts to grant three which just release
it to release the gin and start the armageddon on Art. However,

(01:31:06):
upon telling Steven, I wish I could love you for
who you really are, her wish creates a paradox since
it depends on horror to be granted. Garbage.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
Garbage, dude, it's so bad, even for the pits and
bits and pieces that I watched a bit, it looked
like one of those movies you know when you're a
kid and you would watch at like one am just
to get like a nipple shot or something like that.
When you're like nine, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Like, oh, yeah, well I put that in it. This
is more action fantasy than it is horror. Look at cheesy,
cheesy acting. You look at that's like those people doing
that like role play ship and it looks like warping.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
It looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
That's what it reminds me of when I seen it.
What's the movie where you know mke loven? Yeah, oh
role models, Yes, and they bring him to the It
literally reminded me that I was like, wow, this is terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
I wrote down the force that they probably can afford.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Possible, it's this crap in everywhere possible. I wrote down
a action fantasy and bad action fantasy more than horror,
cheesy and terrible acting, soft core type nudity, low budget
feel the GIN. So this is another thing that I
didn't like either, And I was like, who who thought
this was a good idea? So the GIN is attempting

(01:32:36):
to understand human love. This is fucking awful and downright
cringe concept. If I'm honest, who would ever want an
evil genie to be figuring out about human love? So
that's like supposed to be part of the story where
he's like figuring out like about human love. Lisa has
sex with the Gin while he is possessing Stephen that yikes,

(01:33:01):
fuck me, this is terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
You probably you probably sat through the whole movie, didn't you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
I did.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
I did it on purpose, just out of pure ignorance.
I was like, I'm gonna sit through the whole thing
just to see she Oh, yeah, this is hilarious. Right,
So she has sex with the Wishmaster while he's pretending
to be the lawyer, right, And she's all into it,
and it's all this weird like softcore like porn sort
of shit, and and there's all this music and all playing.
I'm like what and it and it lingers way too

(01:33:29):
long on like the the sex part. I'm like, what
the fuck? This is weird?

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Like and.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
She realizes then that she missed sex, but she doesn't
actually love Steven, which angers the Gin. I'm like, what
why is this even the thing?

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Then after that he gets angry. He reveals his true
form to her and offers the deal of being his
second in command when the Gin come to Art to
take over. I remember that that I literally this is
I'm summing up the entire movie now. In the next
like minute, the boyfriend Sam returns with an angel sword.

(01:34:09):
Whoa an angel sword?

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
Again?

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Again angel sword? How many fucking angel swords do we have, guys?
And why? The boyfriend Sam returns with an angel sword
that he wished for, and he ends up in the fight.
He ends up getting paled on this sword, right, and
then he says, like, oh, baby, fucking stab the gin

(01:34:33):
onto my stabbed body with my sword, so like the
sword is sticking out of him, and like he tells
the chick like, or push the fucking wishmaster onto me
and into the sword. And she's like, no, I can't know.
I love you even though you're in a wheelchair and
I hate you as well and whatever. And supposedly the
reason she says that she missed sex is because he's

(01:34:54):
in a wheelchair, and sex because he's and it's just
add the whole thing is just plays as cringe. So
she stabs the gin through the sword, and Sam and
the gin die and she is able to now move
on with her life and find new love. Wow. This
may be worse than the third movie and potentially the
Watching movie. I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
It probably is from what I saw of it in
the things I gathered from researching. This is probably one
of the worst movies I've seen. And I want to
once you're finished, I just want to quickly bring up something.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Yeah, sure, I only have. I just wanted to show
everybody some of my notes, right, So normally I got
quite in depth, like with like crazy amounts of notes, right,
which I like to do when i'm doing something. This
is the whole thing I have for number four, and
it just says half page, wow, garbage. And then I
wrote down at the very end. I don't know why,
but the taglines were leave no Soul unturned, which if

(01:35:52):
the movie hadn't been good, might have worked. The other
one that they used on a lot of the market
was evil has never been so seductive?

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
That's I literally wrote down what the fuck at the
bottom of the page and circled it a million times.
I was literally just sitting there going, that's fucking ninety
minutes of my life. I can never get back. The
commentary tracks, right, I love commentary tracks. I don't care
what director it is, what writer, what filmmaker. These are
some of the worst commentaries I've ever mised.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Well, it's a terrible movie. I'll give it a minus
fucking five.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
Man, it's not even Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
So I just watched this quickly just because I thought
about it talking about an equally garbage movie that I
thought was really good when I was a kid, and
I rewatched it a couple of years ago. Just bring
this up before you even say anything. Have you ever
watched The Warriors of Virtue?

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
I have not.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
What You've never seen this movie?

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
I've never even heard of it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
Wow, that's crazy. So I thought I loved this movie.
I had my friends had the action figures of it
that looks like something my love. Dude, it's like these
kangaroo ninja warrior creatures, and they.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Do how do they never see this?

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
Dude? It's it's one of those films as like three
Ninja's Page Master, same type of style. All right, Well,
now I know what we're doing for Patreon. Is I
gonna make you watch this movie because I loved it
as a kid, rewatched it years and years, like maybe
three four years ago, and I was like, man, why
do I like this so much? This is fucking gone awful.

(01:37:32):
I'm gonna make you watch this now.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
I don't know how I've never seen that, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
This ship was the when I was a kid. This
was the ship, like we all like I remember going
seeing it or something like that, or watching it on DVD,
and and all me my friends were like pretending to
be these like ninja kangaroo creatures or whatever they are.
I'm sure there's gonna be fans of the show though,
but I remember that movie and they had all these
cool action figures at the time, and they looked way
better when I was a kid. I felt they looked

(01:37:57):
a little better than this.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
I haven't how this is after. I mean, I'm gonna
have to look that up. No, just to see what
it is.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
We have to watch the trailer and maybe, uh, I
would like to cover.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
This for a watch along. That's hilarious because I don't
really remember it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
That's how memorable it was, even though I watched it
maybe like yeah, don't know, three four years ago or
something like that. I loved it as a kid though.
It was like this movie was the Ship when I
was a kid. But it's one of those movies you
look back on it you're like.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Oh, oh, it's not it's not great. Yeah, happens to
me way too much. Now I have to stop watching well,
I have to stop watching movies I loved as a kid,
because every time I watched them, I'm like, wow, this
is good.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
It's so interesting because like I knowing you, I really
thought you would have known what this movie is.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Maybe when I watched the trailer. It bring back some
weird I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
And they all have like different like they have different
like abilities and stuff like there's the see the kind
of like fire looking one, and there's one like Earth
and stuff like that, and the different virtues one has
like this hula hoop weapon. It's so weird.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
That ship looks goofy as fuck and I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
Well, i'm gonna put that in my notes and we're
gonna we're gonna cover at some point. But a movie
that like has like terrible effects and practical effects that
as a kid like, people love this stuff. There's tons
of action figures. That's why I remember it the most,
is playing with the actually, wow, I can't believe we
don't know what this movie is. Wow, Well I'll have
to show you. It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
That's actually kind of blow in my mind now that
that happens not very often, especially when it's trash stuff
in the nineties.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
I think you may like it, though, if we watch
it over a couple of beers.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
I don't know, you mighty, I probably will, I'll be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:39:38):
All right, well yeah I should ulish.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
That's yeah, that's our wish master deep all.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Right, guys, but it's pretty awful. The first one is okay,
and I'll give it that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
I like the first two. I'll tell the truth. I
do like the first two movie.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
I like the first one, the second one. The only
scene I really appreciate is the lawyer fucking himself because.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
You'll never you know what, like if I would have
even been happy if they had have just given the
same guys the ability to make all four like the
time and put the effort in, you know, like we
didn't need all four. But if you had to make four.

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
Just let think we needed to, why is enough? In
my opinion, Hey you did it, you try it out.
It was fucking weird.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
Yeah, but it's just like if you have to make
four work and you know, just but again, I suppose
that comes with not wanting to spend money, so then
you can't get any kind of quality people you just
have to take whatever garbage.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
How they do that though, they're like, all right, this
didn't work the first time, didn't work the second time,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
Like, and I'll be honest, right, someone contacted me right
now and said, hey, we're rebooting uh wish Master. If
someone contact me right now and said we want you
to make wish Master, f you, dude, I'd make that ship.
I'd embrace it. I'd be like, yeah, I may make
us for garbage whatever she cares.

Speaker 3 (01:40:56):
Well and realistically, right, especially if like I don't really
know much about the director or whatever. Right, but if
I was like, oh, yeah, like you know I made
you know, if you especially the third and fourth, but
if you didn't really make anything else, you're like, look
at this shitty film I made once.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
Just just be self aware of don't don't be talking
about it like it's some you know, Academy Award winning like, well,
we've done this with the visual and over here I
use the overhead shot to try and the accent with
like how the characters in direct like this looks like
this looks like something Lifetime wouldn't take the trash Hallmark
hall amerk Car movie.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
I told you. I was like, we need to get
I want to get this over with because I don't
have anything very nice to say.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
But dude, I spent like two and a half days
in my life watching these movies four times each because
I watched all all of the special features and there's
a lot of the money.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
See check this out. Everybody, Aaron is dedicated, you should
be giving our show five stars a good review, buying
some merch which we have more merch designs coming. I'm
very excited for our merchers. Both of our shows are
gonna look pretty awesome if Aaron is up for it.
We're probably gonna change the logo too.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, we have ideas.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
We've have stuff. I've created stuff, so we have things
in the works. But on Aaron's dedication alone to watching
four of the probably most garbage horror movies to ever exist.
In the first one, I'll say three. The first one
is still I think if there was a horror Hall
of Fame, you know, it'd be back in the corner.
You'd have to go searching for it, but you'd find it,

(01:42:31):
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
I could know how I picture them. They're like in
the janitor's closet all covered in cob webs and stuff
like that, and he just doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
I tell you, We're going to say it covered and
something else. I'll take that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
Well, maybe the third one with all those those certain shots.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
All those ditties.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Yeah, so do that in whatever that means in the
horror space. I don't know what the equivalent is to
that in the horror for the Yeah, so that's like
fuck wishbaster three or forms. And I'll say, yes, I agree,
And so yeah, we love you guys, almost see you again.
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