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May 14, 2025 75 mins
In this episode, Aran and Tom return to the blood-soaked woods of Camp Crystal Lake to revisit one of the most talked-about horror reboots of the 2000s — Friday the 13th (2009).

We explore the long and winding road that led to Jason Voorhees' return to the big screen, including the many false starts, abandoned concepts, and bold script ideas that shaped the final film. With Platinum Dunes behind the wheel, this reboot became one of the rare horror franchise revivals that actually got a lot right — giving longtime fans some gory fan service while introducing a new generation to the hockey-masked icon.

We dig into behind-the-scenes details, including production challenges, the casting choices, and why this Jason was leaner, meaner, and faster than ever. Plus, we uncover the hidden easter eggs and nods to previous entries in the franchise that hardcore fans will appreciate.

We also discuss the sequels that were planned but never came to be, and how this reboot stands in the legacy of horror reimaginings. Does Friday the 13th (2009) still hold up? Was it the start of a new era or a missed opportunity?

Join us as we reflect on its impact and how fans — including us — view it today. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:22):
Enjoy the show cam.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Crystal Lake a place of legend of terror, of bloodsok nightmares,
and in two thousand and nine, Jason Vorhes was reborn, bigger,
faster and deadlier than ever.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's right tonight we're diving into the brutal and relentless
and controversial remake of Friar thirteenth. Was it a worthy
rival of the whrors most infamous slasher or is it
just another masked man crashing into nostalgia?

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Crashing in on nostalgia from the.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Kills of the characters, the controversy of the carnage were
breaking it all down. So grab your machetes, stay out
of the woods, and whatever you do, don't run because
Jason always catches up.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Welcome to Class Horror Cast, and welcome back to get blood.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. I feel like you know that that
you're reading that works better when you're kind of naisily
sounds more like a trailer horror movie trailer voice.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, we're going back to the quim gruesoln Yeah, can't
blood h it's yeah, of course, yeah, I'm this.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
It's the February in Canada, and at some point I
predicted I would probably start getting something, but everyone outside
and I was like, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine.
And then you drink too much and then your your
whole like immune system goes down, and then I feel
like it ramps up whatever is kind of laying dormant, and.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Then nice for once not to be a person who's sick.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
I know, I'm a My plan is to quit drinking,
but I still have a couple more left in me.
But once the once the child comes, there's like I'm
probably gonna quit drinking for like a year or something
like you know what I mean. There's not gonna be
a point of maybe one or having like a glass
of wine at a dinner or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
But really it's gonna be it's gonna be go time.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, it's gonna be pretty hectic, all right.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Yeah, I'm sure it is.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Just have them just watch horror movies. With them in
your arms, So there's just accustomed to all that. I
like zero, I know.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Even Chelsea's like, you guys are covering this again, didn't
you just do it? Like, didn't you do a deep
dive in this? And I was like, yeah, we did
a whole deep dive in the summer. There's a lot
of movies to cover, and I had to explain, like
how many.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
You know what? This is one of the better ones
in my opinion, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Agree rewatching it. It is a fun time and that
Ondnesday's or not early two thousands, but just that vibe
of like I've like everything was good up until like
twenty fifteen sixteen, then it started going downhill, Like cinema,
the world, just a lot of different factors kind of
came in comedy, you know that there was like they're

(02:47):
pushing boundaries on comedy movies, and then everyone got offended
by everything and then it kind of went downhill. But
this is one of those ones where I actually do
really enjoy it. And our hope is that we're going
to cover the remake of a Nightmare at Elmstreet next,
which I don't think favors as well as this one.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
No, but I also have some controversial things to say.
I think in that episode that I didn't think I'd
ever hear my stuff saying. But the more i've I've
kind of I dove into that movie this week as
well when I had a chance, and like, I have
some differing opinions compared to what I used to say
about it.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Okay, I want to I want to rewatch it because
I remember when I first watched it, I didn't.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
I didn't really I didn't mind it.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
It was very different, but I don't know, just even
and I like, it's not the same without Robert England
of course, and we'll get to that stuff, but it's
still kind of it still felt like a Freddie movie
to some extent, you know, just there's some moments around
like Cringey.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
That got obliterated as well by the studio. Like that
movie had so much interference from like the studio and
different things. I think it was just bound to be
a disaster. It had no whole lots.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
Of this one though, Like I don't know, it's one
I go back to. Though.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
I remember when I first watched it, I was like
decently impressed, and I didn't know if I like the
underground tunnel thing, but it made a lot of sense.
I was watching some docs and just kind of like
behind the scenes footage of the film, and I do
feel like it made sense because they wanted to kind
of have him more not supernatural, but like realistic, and

(04:22):
so they had to figure out how is he getting
everywhere right?

Speaker 4 (04:24):
And that the underground tonel thing was interest.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
And that was one of the first things I had
written down. Was like obviously coming into this movie when
they were writing the scripts and trying to come up
with ideas, the first question that they put on paper
was is he going to be supernatural or yeah, and
that the answer to that question was kind of what
led to the decision to bring the tunnels. And like
Jason's Layer or whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, it's interesting, but it shows that he's kind of
like living off the land, right and then kind of
being a woodsman. But then it would have take those tunnels.
It would have taken him a long time to build
all that. You know, he's driving a bulldozer for sure.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
I had written down. I actually realize now upon watching
this current day, that it's something that I really enjoy
because we've never seen anything like this for him. It's
interesting to see kind of how he works and where
he goes afterwards, because I still that's always the thing
that's left obscure with like killers and stuff, even Michael
Myers and shit like that. I always, you know, in

(05:23):
some of the movies, like he's like driving a car
and stuff, and I'm like, oh God, that makes me cringe.
And then I start to like my brain starts to
take over, and it's like then I start to picture
him like you know, sitting somewhere and like eating food
and stuff, and like, no, he doesn't eat, he doesn't
do anything normal.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well, and especially with him that he only comes around
around Halloween.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
So then what is he doing?

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Like there's that meme where it's like him like checking
off like the days waiting for Halloween. It's like what
is he doing in his spare time? He's just sitting there. Yeah,
he's like noo, He's like he's like a monk, right,
he can just go into this dorm and state where
he's like just reach full like Claire and just like
it's kind of like inhuman where he's just connected to

(06:03):
the ether. And then as soon as Halloween hits, like
the first day of October. He's like awakens from his
like meditative slumber.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
We don't know, but he's at Guru.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
It's weird, right because I don't know actually what I
expect from any of these movies in that sense, Like
if you ever give any like behind the cart and
like show the audience what they do, I'm like, I
don't like the idea of like, you know, some killers
like this eating rats and shit. Yeah, then I like,
but then I kind of want to know what they do.
But then I also don't because it's like so you

(06:35):
just hang out like here for like like what.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
We talked about the Rob Zombie, right, it's like Rob Zomby,
I feel like showed a little too much. I don't
think he needed to go that route. It's definitely not
his style. A lot of people the second one is terrible.
The first one I don't mind, but like it's still
he showed too much of what was going on and
like the backstory and all these things, and you know
I did.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
What I did like about this one as well is
the decision to make Jason kind of smart. Yeah, sometimes
the kids were kind of smart as well.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
In parts.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
I thought that was really unique that they were like
kind of trying to like one off each other. He
wasn't just like a big, like seven foot mongoloid, like
has no brain whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah, because there's definitely moved.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
There was a couple of movies where he's just like
this giant with where's my where's my bleek button?

Speaker 4 (07:25):
With the strength?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Like it's essentially what they made him in a lot
of the movies. One thing that I like just looked
up that I didn't know is originally they were gonna
this is offered for Quentin Tarantino. I couldn't imagine what
I fried thirteenth Quentin Tarantino movie would have been.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I know, right, And I actually thought that some Marcus Nispell,
who ended up directing this movie. I don't know if
a lot of people will notice, but.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
It was a rumor.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
I love him as a director because he doesn't the
Texas Chansaw remake before this, and I thought that they
purposely wanted him to do another horror ip remake because
Texas chan Saw two thousand and three was soul sex.
So he actually wasn't the first choice. They picked somebody else,
I think, and the guy turned it down. And they

(08:16):
were like, yeah, okay, yeah, we'll do what you can do.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
And it's interesting because the internet went crazy over the
announcement of like Quentin Tarantino doing it. Ultimately, a few
days later, Tarantino publicly he publicly debunked the rumor, claiming
that he wasn't It was the meeting that happened, but
he didn't want to do the project or whatever. But
I still thought, like I couldn't. I think Quentin Tarantino
was kind of a creep, but like his movies are

(08:42):
really well done, so like who I couldn't imagine him
taking on a slasher film. It would be so interesting
just to see it, like for.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
A long time, say his tenth and final movie was
going to be a horror movie.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Like even Billy Billy loved the movie on my coast
on Strange Brew, one of the coasts once upon time
in Hollywood or whatever. It wasn't, Madam, I don't like
I like the last half an hour when Manson and
the family came in, That's about it. And uh, it
was just it just like dragged on. It was kind
of boring. I know, that's like, but he loved it.

(09:17):
And like, remember we talked about even on my show,
and I just said, it's just like it was. It
just was it was pulling teeth, like it was kind
of drawn out and boring. And and in the end,
I was like to.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Watch it again to see do I feel differently about
it now?

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:32):
I think I kind of into it being like boring.
And I love Quentin Tarantino stuff, Like there's very little
that he has made that I don't like. Yeah, do
you ever see that video? And it's such like a
classic video now where he comes out of a Starbucks
and I can't remember where he is. It's somewhere that
like there's like a shit on of snow and think
gets like some of the obscure players, maybe up in Canada,
and he walks out of the Starbucks and like there's

(09:54):
some guy recording him because obviously the guy's after figuring
out like Quintin Tarantino is in my local Starbucks or whatever.
And I don't know if he's like a paparazzi or
he's just a guy who's trying to do like a
freelance thing and maybe sell the video to TMZ or
some shit. Yeah, and like he walks outside the coffee
shop and he's like, excuse me, what's going on here?
And man's like, oh hey man whatever. He's like no, no, no,

(10:14):
what's going on here? And like the guy is like
trying to like I kind of gold him, I think,
like into doing something, and he's like he says something
to him. He was like something about beating his ass
or something. Your man's like do it, then do it
and he's like, no, I'm not going to do that
because you're recording. Put the phone down. They'll be kicking
your ass up and down the street. And like your

(10:35):
man starts following him, and like he lunges at him
at once stage, I think he tries to hit the
thing out of his hand. Yeah, but like it kind
of shows you a little bit of his like i'd
say he's a little bit tapped, like a little bit psychotic.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
He has probably been around the Epstein stuff. There is
a there is a photo out of there, out of
him and he like loves feet.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Supposedly, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I have heard that.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yes, we've talked about on my shoulders like they're for
all the people listen, it's it's it's weird man, like
they're essentially there's a picture of him he's like holding
like this foot or whatever a woman. But people have
like looked at it and analyzed it and they said
it looks like like a lag or a foot of
like a preteen that dude, because the size stuff like that,

(11:22):
so people like, this doesn't look like a full grown
woman's body.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
So that's what people point to it.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
And like he's definitely a creep man, you know stuff that.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, I just hope he's like a like a you know,
above the law or whatever way you want to call that,
like a lawful creep. I don't mind if he's into
like some controls and stuff, so long as they're not
from kids.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
You know. We just talked about like I always.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
I brought this up recently to my wife and I'm like,
I miss James Franco. I'm like, at this point, I
don't even care what he did.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, like get.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Like he's probably did some crazy stuff. That's why he's hiding,
like he must have been. But like he I just
loved him in so many things and he was just
such a good actor and funny like pineapple expresses gold,
same with uh, what's that uh.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
In the End or whatever was that that movie?

Speaker 2 (12:09):
This is the end, This is the end.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
It's like some of them.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
The first time I saw that movie.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
It's just sad.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
It's just sad, Like obviously these people are creep like
Danny McMaster and it got He's done, but like crazy
crazy would.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
You say that this is the scariest version of Jayson ever?

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Pretty close.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
For me, it's a toss up between this and Freddy
versus Jason, but I think this one.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, there's some parts in Fredi's Jason where it's kind
of a little goofy or.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Cringey, and they kind of still make him like that,
like kind of mongoloity, like he has no brain thing,
which is what I like about this one.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
He's smart, he's fast, he's brutal.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, he runs as well, I know, he's ran. It
doesn't love movies, yeah, but he doesn't look dumb doing it,
and they don't give him that like look, there is
a little bit of it, but it doesn't give it
that like doom doom, doom doom doom, like you know,
like that overdone, like where really sounds like every step
to take is like they don't make a goofy.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, and it is interesting that he is like a
little like I don't know, you can it's more realistic,
like I do think that like the third uh, part
three and four is pretty brutal. I even like roy
As Jason. I think roy As Jason was pretty creepy.
You know, I don't even care Skinny Jason. I do
like him, but like and brutality wise, like it's especially

(13:38):
like I even wrote like I took some notes and
there were some notes because I started watching it when
I was drinking on that Friday night where my sickness
kind of kicked in, and there were some notes I
wrote where I was like, I don't even know what
I was talking about, because I put like some weird
note like why was one was just like uh ew,
that's gross or something like I don't even know what
I was referencing, but I just wrote that instant brutality,

(14:01):
like right at the beginning, as soon as it starts
with the camp crew coming in or whatever, like the
the essentially the first group of friends, and then just
how it kicks off, like you love the characters almost instantly.
The guy in the glasses like the kind of stoner
dude and then it's just like it goes right into it,
which I actually do enjoy.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I do like this is what i'd written down, This
version of the bag Mask or whatever I thought was
quite cy, and it reminds me of them. It reminds
me of the town that dreaded Sundown.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, I've seen bits and pieces of that. I've always
like kind of gone back, like I have to. I'd
like to watch it in one full thing because I've
seen bits and pieces of it.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
The difference. Yeah, it's like astronomical alert.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Or like what's that with the Collector? Which I would
eventually like to rewatch and recover. But it's kind of
like that same kind of that Movie's both those movies
freak me out.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
And yeah, I had these seems much more aggressive throughout
this movie, and I feel like the soundtrack as well.
He helps it. Yeah, the soundtrack to this is really good,
and it makes the whole thing seem a little bit.
When he does come on screen, it makes it seem
like the steaks are much higher than usual, like they
don't do it and like, I don't know, I just
like this serious tone of us when he shows up,

(15:16):
Like it's not like, oh, here's this big, like dumb goofy. Yeah, guy,
you would a machete, Like it's actually supposed to be
a serious like oh no, this guy is like a
serious treat and he's not an idiot.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
The soundtrack is pretty good, and I just like how
they they get right into it. They almost like show
you characters that could be developed but into the final story,
but they kind of just like like get you right
into it and then like violence as soon as it starts, right,
just like I liked even the beginning characters right of
like the kind of like stoner hanging out, going out camping,

(15:52):
and then the guy like finds weed and he's like,
oh man, he's like sniffing it, And then you find
out it's that one guy's, isn't it. So it's the
one guy's the he originally gets the mask from. And
they said they wanted to like figure out how they're
gonna give it, give him the iconic hockey mask, and
they use the kind of inbred, weird guy that's like
just whacking off to like porno magazines and stuff. But

(16:15):
it's I think it's his field of weed that they find,
don't they. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, I like that bad do
you like the beginning and the sleeping bag scene is
messed up and they go right into it or instantly
it's like drugs and sex, which that's what the original
movies were about, right, even like our intro song, right,
you know, like don't don't do drugs and have sex, man,

(16:37):
because it usually ends bad. And that's that one scene
is like pretty wild, like they're in and that you
have to keep it iconic, and that instant into like
just violence is is I feel like very good, catches
your catches your eye.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Supposedly there was a lot more nudity and like sex
and titties and stuff in this as well done. It
got caught out.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah, the one actress didn't want to do it at
the beg she got replaced, the one whether supposed to
be in the sleeping bag or like it's just in
the tent and they're like do a dog, you know,
all that stuff they were they were supposed to, Like,
I guess there's another actress that was supposed to do
it and then she dropped out. But I'm like, it's
a it's a Friday thirteenth movie, right, there's gonna be
tits and I speaking of tits. I was watching it,

(17:23):
like finishing it today, and I was laughing when Trent
is like, your tits are stupendous.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Oh god, that's so cringey, stupendous.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Man, you're like some weird like rich boy who says stupendous.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
I love as well. When they show before that guy
picks up the hockey mask and puts it on him.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, you can see it in on the shelf And
how how I couldn't find an image of it, but
how it's lit on the shelf is so fucking good
because it doesn't look like it's lit with an actual
like a bulber of light. It looks like there's like
someone the roof maybe or some of the wall is
broken and there's just a tiny like like beam of
like just barely shining it up.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
One of the most iconic masks ever, right, even the
one actor the kind of what's his name, the nerdy
Stoner You can pull up the cast.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
The guy who he takes the mask off.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Of No No Wade Jonathan Sidusky or whatever he Yeah,
he taught in an interview I heard him talking about
how his like grandfather used to chase his nephews around
with the hockey mask on how it's kind of like,

(18:36):
it's like so cool now that we're doing this movie together.
And there's some good characters like Derek Mayors that plays Jason.
Yeah on point man, he did the Swamp thing. I
never watched that. I don't know if that was any good.
Oh yeah, and he was in the Hills Have Eyes
because we brought him up when we talked about that.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
There he is there.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, it's wild. He's like a big dude. Man iss
a ton of stuff, man.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, he is. He's in a lot of things that
it was talks of him doing. Fuck, I can't remember
what it is now it's something coming up.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Did you ever watch the Swamp Thing? Was that any good?

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (19:15):
It's disappointing. It looks kind of so.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Is there an argument that this is the best horror
remix or rebuilt ever? So for me, I'm trying to
think of well, I want to say textas Chain Saw
two thousand and three is number one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
this is a very close second for me. And then
like for people maybe who have seen things like those
lesser properties like the Hatcher and stuff like that, has
a really good remake, would.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
You say Slasher remix Slasher?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, yeah, right, because there is some I'm trying to think,
but I know there is remix that you're like, they
they did decent, but.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I definitely like, I think that's a good accolade as
well to have for Marcus and the Spell to be
able to say I potentially directed the two best horror
Slasher remakes ever.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
No, I agree, especially Slasher, right, Like Don the Dead
remake was pretty great. Yeah, you know, even the Ring,
which it's kind of different because you could you could
you know, the Ring is something different because it's like
it was a Japanese thing that they remain House of Wax.
That's something, dude, that I really want to cover. We
we're like, we're being on what we're gonna do next

(20:24):
and all that stuff. But even how Raser that new
how Raser calling it.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Now, I'm calling it now. On this episode, I want
to do a series of Dark Castle Entertainment movies. So
starting with House on Haunted Hill from.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Oh, that movie is fucked up, that movie Scared the Ship,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
House on Haunted Hill remake. Then from that we go
to Tardian Ghost's remake. Oh yeah, yeah, let's do it
from that, we go to House of Wax and go
through like all the that's.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Such a plan, dude, that movie, like, you know, this
is what happens in episodes. We're talking about horror in
general and like the iconic remakes, but even you know
some of those movies. House on a Hill, that movie,
like what is fucked up? And I like, yeah, it's
one of them. I at that time it was one
of the scariest movies I've seen. I remember watching it
again with that buddy Austin. We watched everything together.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
That's like kind of intrigued surveillance footage where you see
doctor Vanicot and he's moving all freaking.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Oh man, it's scared. It literally scared me. I think
I had nightmares. That pencil is seen at the beginning
where all the pencils go through the guy's neck and
then that like where they're looking through like the.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
He puts them in that like deprivational thing or whatever
it's called. I can't remember. That's an actual thing that scares.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
That movie scared the shit at me.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
It would be interesting to rewatch and write some notes
because I haven't seen it a bit. It's always stuck
in my head though. It's one of those movies that
you see as a kid and you're like, oh man,
this is like really like actually scary and messed up
and it's stuck in your head. I probably watched when
I was like twelve, like twenty nineteen. When I was eighteen,
I would have been like all for this coming out too,
Like when the Friday thirteenth. Yeah, I would have been

(21:54):
so stoked for this to come out. And that's why
it was interesting when they when they did do a
name of Elm Street.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
I'm a huge fan.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Then when you find out that it's not Robint England,
it was like, very disappointing. But this one just the.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Time I had to blame that movie being shaite on
the fact that Robert England didn't play Freddy and it
was Jackie RL Haley, And upon rewatching that, I've changed
my mind completely.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
That's what I When I rewatched it.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
There wasn't long ago, A couple like two years ago whatever,
and I was like, and I like, I bought it
on my PlayStation, like I spent I've told I probably
spent I don't know how many hundreds of dollars on
so dumb on and I should have been doing it physically,
but just like because they were cheap or whatever on
the PlayStation and then they got rid of that, but
they still have My collection of movies were on the
PlayStation four or five or whatever.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
I can still access them.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
But I was like a spending spree of digital movies
that I couldn't find anywhere, and I was like, oh,
all the thirteenth movies, all of these different and I
remember buying like an Emmer elm Street and I was like,
I haven't seen this in a bit. I remember like,
I didn't mind it too much and then rewatched.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
I was like, it's the acting that is the is
the acting that really.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Is the original idea actually that was being flowed around
for this movie was they were going to bring Tommy
Jarvis's character into it.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
I heard about that, which and they kind of they
kind of put his essence, you could say, into some
of the characters.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Like Jared that his character's name, I can't remember who
he is, but they definitely said that.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
They play Clay Miller.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, they kind of sprinkled in a little bit of
like Tommy Jarvis vibes. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
I don't know if they needed to redo, it would
have been interesting, I would say, but like, I don't know,
it's I don't think they needed to do that.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
I think we had enough.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Tommy Jarvis, Yeah, maybe so, but I mean, if they
had it, done it interestingly. So. The screenplay was written
by Damian Shannon and Mark Swift. They're like a writing team.
They've done like the bay Watch movie. They've done a
few other things together that you could probably have heard of.
They've done Freddy Versus Jason, and they had written a

(23:59):
script for Freddie Versus Jayson obviously before this. They're actually
there's a new Sam Raimi movie coming out that they've
written called Send Help. Is supposed to come out in
January next year from twentieth Century. It has Rachel McAdams
in it, and it's a story about horn or boss
who struggled to stay alive on a remote island after

(24:20):
a plane crash. But it's like it's hard. Yeah, it's
a Sam Raimi movie. But yeah, when they went to
write the screenplay for this movie, they set themselves out
like a set of rules that they tried to stick by.
Now somebody's ended up I think being changed by the
stewardy owned producers and stuff added bits in that they
just couldn't help. Rule one, no meta dialogue, so they

(24:44):
wanted the characters to speak more realistic and not have
any of that like self referential like doing that whole
like you know, break the fourth wall kind of thing.
They wanted Jason to be very territorial, so they wanted
them quick fast, living off the land and kind of killing. Okay,
you could say for revenge, but more like anybody who

(25:05):
shows up to this place is kind of his target.
He's not going out of his way to like you.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Can see he's he's like, get the fuck off my
property essentially, like when you see it, like when he
starts to kind of especially the first and it's very fast,
you know what.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
I mean, And like they wanted to avoid a big
like origin backstory explanation, so they tried to avoid like
the childhood aspects and kind of keep it mysterious about
exactly what and why.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, and that's why I did that that black and
white kind of scene right at the beginning, which is
smart to just be like, hey, this is for the
new audiences that maybe I've never seen it.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
This is part of why he is the way that
he is right.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
As funny as well, Like it's another one I had seen.
I was just kind of diving into some of the
backstory and I listened to a it was one of
those like fan convention panels that they had like all
them like back up again, like ten years later some shit,
and they had Marcus and a spell there the director
and he said, like it's another one of those classic

(26:07):
fucking stories that happens where he was like, oh, yeah,
I had so many like clashes with the producers on
this because there was constant rewrites while we were shooting. Yeah,
and like I'd come in and like, shit, it'd be
different the next day and I'm like wait what, no,
we're doing We've set up to do it this way
yesterday and they're like no, no, we got to like
do this now.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Sorry, this is my problem. It's like there should be
essentially like a dictator. You know, everyone thinks dictators are bad.
If you pick a good dictator though, you know realistically
and he's he is for the people, you might say, right,
and he actually wants to benefit the people and not himself.
Say that you take that into like a movie set

(26:47):
and you have one person that's the domineering force that
controls it, especially someone that has the chops in the
merit to be able to do so, and then everyone
else needs to shut up and listen. And and because
we've seen this time and again with the producer's like, no,
I want to see more of this. I want to
see more of this. Can you put me in the
movie for a second? Like, and it's like crazy, how
often we see this with all the franchises of like

(27:10):
slasher films. And then they like turn this weird garbage pile,
Like I'll always reference number on Elm Street five where
he has the baby. It's so bad, and they were
flip flopping and with the idea they want to do,
they did it really quickly. They filmed everything quickly and
then look at that garbage pile.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
And like, you know what the worst part about it is? Right,
So Damian Shannon and Mark Swift wrote the screenplay who
were kind of fresh off I guess Freddy Versus Jason,
which was extremely successful and like from a fan standpoint,
a lot of people were happy with that. Right, So
you've got two guys who were obviously quite competent at
being able to write a movie like this. So leave

(27:45):
them alone. Then you brought in a director who essentially
directed the best horror remake ever or slasher remake ever
with Texas chains Ouw two thousand three. Leave him alone.
Stop trying to step in and be like, well, I'm
gonna tell the guys who I hired because they're the best,
something different. Just leave alone. Just let it be what

(28:08):
it is. Like, just like the people who do it,
do what they need to do.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
I know. And that's why it's knowing when they end
up muddying the water, so to speak, they can they
can see a clear vision, and then somebody walks their
muddy boots through it, and then somebody else does, and
then it's like, you know, at least they didn't go
some of the route that other movies took, or it
is just like awful. Like they have some pretty good
actors in, Like I like the one guy Aaron Yo,

(28:36):
He's been a ton of stuff. He's a pretty actually
consider him kind of a funny actor. Like the Disturbia,
his as the friend is a great Actually now they're like,
we get these things from Mane. I would love to
cover Disturbia. I love Shi lah Booth, such a good movie.
Such and creepy, and it is war technically, it's like
a thriller war movie.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
But I like Aaron. I like him in this movie.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
And I think he was also one person that was
cast like kind of late, but his like kind of
like stoner like smart Asian guy was like fun like
he was kind of the funny wild.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Man, like drinking the beer out of the shoe and
stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Like there's some and this is what I've said, like
if you watch it, we'll compare them at points. But
a nightmreare up Street the remake, it's just like the
acting needs to be on point at least for this one.
Like the guy that plays Trent, what's his name, I'll
find him, Yeah, Travis van Winkle.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
He's been in a ton of stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
He has the chops, you know, like what they should
have done actually, no, I think of it, and I
know a look, this nightmarewn Street was probably been filmed
while this was released, and whatever, why didn't they just
bring on the writing team from this and bring on
Marcus Nispell and all them and just go right, Okay,
you've had two like between between the three of you
as you've had like two or three really successful like

(29:50):
Slasher remix. So we're just gonna give you Nightmare Own
Street now as well.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
I know, because even Aaron Yo is in a Nightmare out.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, just like, let it be what it is, like,
I mean, I don't have to over complicated. There's actually
a couple of fun Easter eggs in this as well.
I noticed I was counting up like the deaths. So
there's Thurdneen kills in it, which I thought was kind
of fun. And they released on a Friday, the thirteen,
which was kind of fun as well.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
But if you look when you go to his Layer,
when the scenes of his Layer there, so there's a
wheel chair in the background that people think is Mark's
wheelchair from part two. There is Pamela's sweater is hanging there,
Ralph's bike from part one when they're Crazy Ralph or whatever,

(30:39):
there's a bike. There's a bicycle there that looks like
like a decrepit old version of the bike he had
in the first movie. Now, I don't think. I don't
know if they were overly trying to imply like all
this is the same Jason or anything, but like I
think it was just like a little fan thing like
put some stuff in the background just to make it
fans appreciate it. Victor Miller, who was the original screenwriter,

(31:02):
who's the one at the center of all this, like
between him and Sean Cunningham, this big lawsuit whatever.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
I was just gonna say, so real, but can this
guy has died?

Speaker 3 (31:10):
He's known there really the game and shit, you know
what I mean, I don't even care.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
The game was a lot of fun and now it's
like gone.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
You can probably find it in like like like some
backdoor like website or something Steam or whatever. But like
that game could have done something really well and.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Fun and built on that whole world.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
And it was because I mostly because of him, because
I think Sean Cunningham wasn't he the one that wanted
to keep it going? And then Victor Miller was the
writer of the original and then he didn't want to
keep it going.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, I don't know why exactly, like because it's tired
to know, because one blames the other. And but I
will say that Victor Miller's name seems to be a
common denominator when there's trouble with the franchise. His name
always seems to be at the center of it also,
I guess that probably tells you everything you need to know.
But he actually said that the script was written, So
this is his conspiracy or whatever, that the script was

(32:01):
written in such a way that it could be deemed
as a sequel as opposed to a remix, because that
way they could pay him less money. And what did
he do. He took them to court, of course he did,
and what happened he lost and he had to take
a lower contract.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
He sounds like a kind of greedy guy from what
I've heard, because i've I'm pretty sure i've heard like
Sean cutting him talk about this stuff where it's like
Victor Miller wrote the very first one. The idea of
Jason was like added in later. I don't even think
it was necessarily his idea. Then Sean Cunningham takes the
franchise and creates something new, focuses on the Jason character,

(32:41):
actually creates the what we know as Jason today, and
then Victor Miller's like, nah, uh, you know, I wrote
the first one, even though like I didn't really add
in the Jason character as far as I knew, as
like like I've seen I've watched like the Memories of Crystal.
Like I've watched all the Docks and stuff like hours
hours long, right, but this is like it is interesting.

(33:03):
You know, I won't want to do this with all movies,
but movies I really love obviously. And then we're on
Elm Street and Fria thirteenth some of the Halloween ss
if like watching those like docs of breaking down all
the movies do interest me. But some other movies I
like that I'll just watch them in fifteen minutes to
kind of break down the basics of it. But it's
just interesting to see because it's such a well known character.

(33:24):
Like if if we survive past World War three, if
that's what's coming, you know this while character will always
be such in the forefront, like my kids will I
have masks of it, you know what I mean, Like
so they'll it's gonna stay in the Yeah, it's like
it's Sozeitgeist for like ever Man, especially that mask too.
Even if you didn't watch the movie, you'll know of

(33:45):
the mask, which is such a crazy thing.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Right, And like this movie done pretty well, Like I
think the budget was less than twenty million, and it
made nearly one hundred million of the box office, So
like it done really well. And I think initially the
idea was they were going to follow it up with
a sequel, and that was said to come out, and
then Paramount pulled the plug on that. And they had

(34:07):
this great idea that they were going to pull the
plug on it and they were gonna go ahead with
that fucking Darren Aronofsky's movie Mother. Yeah, and that came out,
and that was a box office flop.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
Is that the one with the chick from the Hunger Game?
Isn't it?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
It could be, but it was an absolute flop and
everybody just forgot about it. But you know, it's funny.
They were going to bring out a sequel to this movie, right.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, it was it's that one, and I heard things
about it and I was I was gonna watch it,
and I just never did because I watched the trailer
and I was like, I don't know if.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
This looked like my thing.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, they so the sequel to this or whatever, it
was going to be, the sequel, prequel, whatever you want
to call it. It's funny because they were classing it
again as a reboot. So that does kind of lend
some credence to what Victor Miller said about they constantly
keep classing the script as like a remaker about on
purpose so they don't have to play. They don't have
to pay any of the original people. Supposedly if it's

(35:05):
if it's considered a reboot or remic, you have to
pay the original writer. You have to get a something
like an original works like payment or something like that.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
So the way around that then is to not to
not say it's a sequel or anything. You say it's
a reboot, and then you can get away from that.
I think there was an idea to have a movie
come out and being treaty. That was like I suppose yeah,
that was around the whole, like my bloody Valentine kind
of treaty movie shit that was going on.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
All these movies do remind me of this, Like it's okay,
you can take the movies from the eighties. A lot
of them, especially slash films, have similar vibes, like there's
just a feeling behind them. All of these movies also
have that in a new age feeling of like a
new generation.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
It's like when they attempted to do which I would
love to talk about on my show sometime, but like
when they attempted to do Woodstock again, and it's like
the music's not the same. Man, they're not doing a
bunch of acid and they're all drinking alcohol and doing
like fucking gotten cocaine and all sorts of shit, and
they're like, oh, let's have limb biscuit play and all
sorts of like, you know, and then it gets chaos. Right,
It's just like it's not the same. It's not the

(36:22):
same vibe. It's not the same thing. It's a lot different.
It's a different generation that's angry about everything, you know.
So even with these movies, it's kind of that same vibe.
Like My Bloody Valentine was kind of the same. It
just and they all kind of felt the same, Like
there were just different puzzle pieces to make a the
of the error and the generation, especially our generation and
who we were, you know, and who we are.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah. Yeah, I I went Swift and True Damian Shannon
and Mark Swift. They like a lot of their pages
and all their stuff is kind of done together. It's
like Shannon and Swift Productions or something like that. So
like they obvious write all their projects together. Yeah, And
they had released some stuff on Twitter a while back,
maybe two years ago, a year ago, and it was

(37:06):
like some script pages and stuff from this alleged sequel
that they had written and everything had been greenlit and
then it all got sucked up. But the title was
on the front of the script was Friday at Tardined
Camp Blood the Death of Jason Vorhees was there. That
was the title, which I thought was kind of strange
if they wanted to make it a trilogy. So I

(37:28):
started to like search a bit more and I actually
found some of the script pages. So there's an opening
scene that starts and it's like it's around like dusk,
it's getting to like nighttime, but it's not quite there yet.
And there's this chick and she's obviously in it's obviously
Crystal Lake, but you know you can tell. She's like
there's a tree and she's like walking around and whatever,

(37:51):
and she's climbing up this ladder and she gets up
onto a platform and you see a zip line and
the camera then pans out all oss Crystal Lake. So
then obviously you get an idea like, okay, we're we're
in Crystal Lake. That's where we are, and so she
grabs onto the the zipline thing steps off the platform
and she's like flying across the lake, so from one

(38:13):
side to the other on the zip line, and she's
like looking around the landscape and she's like screaming. She's
like all happy, you know, like that kind of shit, like, oh,
I'm free and it's great and everything is perfect, and
they're showing all the landscape and everything looks like beautiful
and calm and nice. And then she it pans back
to her like field of vision or whatever, and she
looks towards the end of the zipline and you just

(38:33):
see Jason standing at the end of it like that,
you know, like the image of him at the start
of this movie actually where the chick is in the water. Yeah, yeah,
and she looks out to the shore and he's just
standing in between all the trees.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Well, I was gonna reference that too.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
When she gets her head gets hit with the boat
and then that that is kind of like a brutal
scene of the guy getting the arrow through the neck
and then.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
She's like stop, stops, and then that crack of her.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Head like and then you know that's all CG.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
I know.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
I was just reading something about that where it's like
a lot of the deaths are like CG, which.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
I'm like, the like that boat was completely CG because
they couldn't get clearance to like even put a They
couldn't even put a dummy in the water.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
They hit it.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah, they couldn't get clear on something to do with
the boat. So that boat is entirely CG. She's actually
in the water, but the boat was put in afterwards,
which I never noticed, you know, sometimes like you'll know
you've got a yag garbage.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Yeah, I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
I never noticed that before.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Yeah, a lot of it.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
I'm like, there's so many, Like Richie's death by machete
to the head was also augmented by the use of
post production of CG.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Weird.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
But just to go back to this for a second.
So she looks where she's headed, she sees Jason machete
in hand, waiting at the end of the zip line.
She puts her hand up in the zooms in. She
tries to grab the cable stop herself, and it like
shreds her hand and all her skin and all. It's
like all shredding. She considers trying to like jump off

(40:01):
the like let I think, let go of the zipline
or unhook herself or whatever it is, and before she
realizes like she's already at the end of the zipline
at the stage, Jason steps forward. The lunges that her
swings through her mid section like he's going this is
exactly now from the script page, swings through her mid
section as as if he's going for the fucking fences

(40:22):
at the World Series, sending her lower half flying. Her
upper half passes Jason and hits the end of the
line with a sickening bounce as her inards spill out
and onto the wooden platform. Then there was also another
few pages they're released. There's another one. It shows the
lake and it's frozen, and there's two characters, two kind

(40:43):
of teen characters, and they're playing hockey. That's cool, right,
and one of them discovers the whatever they're hitting. I
don't know if it's a hockey poker or something. It
like goes really far away and the guy skates out
to it, and as he's picking it up, he looks
down in to the into the ice and he's like, wait,
that's a fucking person's face and it's the chick from

(41:07):
the previous like from this movie Whitney and he's like screaming.
He's like, dude, there's a fucking there's a a person
or something down here, frozen under the ice. And as
he's shouting to his friend, and his friend is kind
of over at the very edge of the lake like
by the show kind of, he starts shouting back to
him something. He's like pointing and shouting, and he's like,

(41:28):
what what are you talking about? And eventually he clicks.
He's like, oh, behind me, and he turns around and
Jason is watching him from the edge on the other side,
and he tells Jason. He's like, hey, man, we're leaving. Sorry,
we don't we don't have another hockey stick. Kind of
like a little kind of joke because he's wearing a

(41:48):
hockey mask, but we're leaving now. We didn't meant to this,
darbyer or whatever. I don't think he like clicks to
the fucking murder or whatever. And as he says like,
we don't have another hockey stick, then Jason pulls out
his Michelle mm so the guy yeah. Jason steps onto
the lake for the first time ever. In frit of
the thirteenth History, the kid turns the skate away, but

(42:11):
in panic, can't get his foot and continually falls, with
Jason closing in on him. Jason slams the machete into
his back, so we're seeing it from The kid falls
onto the ice and Jason like stabs the machete into
his back. We see a shot from underneath the ice
as the machede goes through the kid through the ice,
cracking it, and then red blood blooming into the icy water.

(42:33):
We switched to the other team watching from the shore.
Suddenly Jason's head snaps up to focus on him. The
team falls over and continues to try and unless his skates.
Now Jason is coming for him. Jason lunges at him,
missing and sticking the machede in a tree, knocking off
all the snow. So we're in a snow setting.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
That would be awesome. That's what I want to watch.
I've never watched never hike alone or whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, we should do a watch along like a Patreon
or something from that. From here, we get shots of
the team racing through the trees. As he looks behind him,
he doesn't realize that he's at the top of a ridge,
loses his footing and tumbles down an icy hill, and
then I think it kind of cuts them there. The
original openum was supposed to see, Oh yeah, for this movie,

(43:17):
that chick that you were talking about that gets the
hit by the boat and whatever. She was originally I
think supposed to drown from exhaustion.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Oh yeah, I saw that too.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah, she's supposed to like see him or whatever. And
then naturally, as we all probably would be like, well,
I'm not going to fucking swim to shore and he's
not going to come out. But then it was supposed
to be like he's quite happy to just wait her
out and just stand there and not move. So at
some point it's like, well, I'm either gonna have to
swim in or I'm gonna have to fucking drowned because
I can't continually tried water forever. No, Yeah, which would

(43:52):
have been weird, But I don't know how you How
would you have played that aft though? Like what would
you do? Caught forward and be like, Okay, it's twelve
hours later.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
I know right like that that the drowning scene would
have been, how do you play that?

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Like?

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Essentially, it'd have to be she gets her like she
just is unconscious and then she slowly fades into the water.
That'd be like the only way because it would be
because she did get hit her head pretty hard where
eventually she just like comes to her injuries and just
like slowly goes into the water.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
That would be I do like the idea as well,
you know that the little clip you see him when
he's standing up on top of the house kind of yeah,
the on the second, I do like that.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
I love the idea of Jason in winter Man, Like
I know it's like camp Crystal like, but it would
have been so cool to see that. But you see
some of these things within the film where he's you
see his smarts as intelligence, the idea of like he
creates these traps and in the underground you you hear
the bells ringing, and they actually make him pretty gnarly,
like he's just like and they said they wanted to

(44:48):
make him like a hulking figure with muscles and that
you know, he's just kind of like a backcountry you know,
it's pretty wild. But even some of the scenes where
I was joking about like the boy Yeah, the you
shouldn't be here boy routine and the boy Toy drama
where the Clay shows up and then it's just like

(45:08):
you know, they try to play into that and that's
such I feel like a early twenty nineties thing. But yeah,
there's so many I feel like it's it's it is
uh for a remake. It is done very well. It
could have gone horribly wrong.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Well that's it. Like I think it's that that image
on screen at them, and it actually is a previously
unreleased image. I think it was Derek Mirror's put it
out on his Facebook page. It was like, I don't
know if it's a shot from the movie or it's
like an unused scene or something, but it's a never
before scene image apparently. But yeah, like I really think

(45:43):
they've done well with this, Like I I genuinely can't
hate on it.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
No, me neither.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
And there's like a lot of they have some like
icon of kills. It is surprising that they use CGI
because you can't really tell. The acting was pretty well done.
Even I wrote down that the reactions of some of
the especially at the beginning with the campers and stuff
like that, their reactions of fear are pretty actually pretty
well done and they're pretty good, like they're on point.

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Their acting is done well and you can see the
fear and a lot of them, and then the reactions
even of the stoner guy realizing what's happening, Like some
of those WHI I was watching, I was like, that's
actually pretty good, Like they're they're doing a good job
at like how you would react. You see that in
some of these movies where some slash movies whereas not
believable you know in some regard of like their.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Reactions, it's like really fake, Like look, I know, when
you're going into a movie you kind of have to
like you know, there's a certain amount of like suspend
your disbelief whatever. But like this got it pretty right,
I think, And the same with Texas Chainsaw two thousand three.

(46:54):
Nobody's reactions felt like already goofy or like domerin ing
that movie.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
If you guys have not into our deep dive of
that that movie is it's so fucked Like what might
I love that one?

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Jonathan what's his name? Where his man? When he's getting
his mouth like in the car.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
So good and yeah, and there's some like crazy pretty
crazy kills and like isn't okay? Isn't the truck driver
or the guy in the pickup truck that Trent sees.
Isn't that the guy from the network are the text
chance of massacre?

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Isn't that the guy? It's like brilliant. It looked like him.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
I was like, I don't know if it was actually him,
but I didn't notice that. Now that's interesting. May have
to look up the cast set. That's interesting because I
was like, that looks just like that guy. And then
because it's the same writers I would like, I.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Was curious one of those like douchey.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Oh, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
He's such a like classic like kind of douchey jock
looking guy.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
I know, well, they kind of cast it a lot
of it perfectly. I don't know what you'd call this
guy your uncle or some ship.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Would be.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
What's that guy's name? It's Marcus mis Spell.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah, now that he is actually okay, isn't he like
Swedish or something? Because I remember watching it talk about
he's an interesting guy.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yeah, he's a bit crazy. I think they go, I sippo,
it was all creative. People are probably a little bit mad.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
I don't think it was that guy. I just looked
it up. It just looked like him a lot. Terrence
Evans old Monty. He's only been in a couple of things,
but it looked like him in the car, and I
don't know if it's just like it was two seconds,
so maybe they just didn't add him in the credits
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
But I would say I did enjoy one once you
kind of allowed in your mind. I did enjoy the
idea of the inclusion of the tunnels.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
Yeah, yeah, I remember I first saw it. I don't
know what camera liked.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
I wasn't impressed it was the same, I think because
I was like, no, this is not it is. Yeah,
but I think if you kind of allow yourself to
go okay in this world and this interpretation of Jason,
this is the way it is, it makes it a
little bit better.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Yeah, And it makes sense because it realistically it's just
like he is a deformed a deformed boy who survived
an accident or something like that, right, and then he
grows strong and it's kind of seeking revenge, but also
is just living off of the land and then probably

(49:32):
the one memory of his mother or whatever. So it
kind of I don't know, I like that idea that
he's more realistic and that maybe he can die, you know.
Even I said when I was watching this morning, I
was like, he's need like a shotgun, you know what
I mean. And then when they put him in the water,
I'm always like, there's so many movies like this where
I'm like, I would cut off his head and then
both of his arms and then his legs, and I

(49:53):
would just make sure that you can ever come back,
especially in those movies where they he does come back
and they're aware that he can and has the ability
to re emerge, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Good Old West Craven With the premiere.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
I know I want to do a crossover episode for
about Wes Craven for like the Famous Dead, because like
you know, I was in I see it doesn't look.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Like, oh yeah, Jesus Christ, that looks the very same
as him.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
I know that's I was like, that looks just like him,
but I don't think it is. But it's like so close,
and then he just drives away and you gotta explain
why I have a body on.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
The back of your like truck.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Some I do like that opening scene. That's very good.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Yeah, the opening scene is great, and some of the
part of me wanted some of them to survive, just
because some of the characters are good and kind of
like funny I like to do with the started with
the glasses.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
He was like a good character of it.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
I do actually like like even like the kind of
dickheady like that Travis van Winkle guy. Yeah, like his character.
And I do actually like all the characters in this
as like as who they are, Like there're some of
were unlikable, but I they were done well.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
It was kind of like and it was at that
time where there was that kind of that there was
that kind of douchebag guy that you know, slicks his
hair or whatever, and like the characters, okay, are like
somewhat believable, you know what I mean, obviously a little
over the top, but it's mostly pretty believable.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, like that that sex scene or whatever, it's a
bit like it's a bit over the top, like but yeah,
I know that was way longer.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Yeah, they said that they it was like one of
the best scenes that the were. The one thing I
was watching the guy was like if this was done
in the eighties, there would have been worn out VHS's
of that scene.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Yeah. Yeah, I seen that, which which kind of makes
me want to see.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
It, I know. And uh, like there's iconic scenes. It's
just funny.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Even the ones who the black guys is gonna like
jerk off. People hate when I say that we got
in trouble. It's like I'm just like called him out
by like it's just the guy, Like I'll find his character.
But when he's about to like whack off or whatever,
and then it's like, you're gonna do this while like
everybody is still in the house and people are still gone,
and you're just gonna do it in the living room.
You're not gonna go to like a room or something.

(52:09):
And then obviously they bust in and he's like, you
messing with me? Man, He's like when he's like, I'm
I just smoked, like you messing with me? And then
uh and then obviously like it gags cells from there.
But like I'm like I watching this morning, I'm like,
why why are you whacking.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Off in the middle of the thing.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
I know. Yeah, I do like the setting as well.
I like that house.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Yeah, me too, but it's like the rich boy vibe. Yeah,
like he they just they just go to this house
sometimes and it says like literally a house, it's not
like a cabin. It's like the you know, hoity tony,
and that's why you see the parallel between the two
group of friends. Ones are like just kind of backpack
and camping, and then you have like the rich boy
type of yeah, even.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Like the way he treats uh Jared Padideki's character, Yeah,
when he's looking for his sister, even, but he treats
him at the at the start of a kind of
and then it's that where is like his girlfriends like
I'll help you.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
I know, and then you see it all comes full circle.
One thing that is kind of shocking is the end
when she does die, and it's like surprisingly right that
they took that route instead of trying to maybe keep
her alive for another movie. You know, the sister I
feel like needs to survive. She's went through all this stuff.
But when they're escaping the tunnel and then the machete

(53:22):
comes like through her chest and then she yeah right
there and then she dies, it was like, oh shit,
like really they're gonna kill off her character. We're at
the end and it's like, you know, pretty it was surprising,
you could say, because I could have killed off the
sister after he's like helped her and all that stuff, right, But.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
You know it's it was true.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Actually it is kind of a weird decision, Like it
makes me interested to see, like what did they actually
have planned out for like a potential sequel or whatever.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
I know.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
And they obviously have the jump scare at the end
of him coming out of like so many it's often
they do this, and it was fun for them to
do that.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Fuck Christmas weird. I never noticed that on a shirt.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
You're I kind of thin get the character's.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Name, but like the I hate that guy. He bothered
the kind of the hillbilly he bought. When I watched it,
he legitimately bothered me. He made me feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Such a weird character.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
That's a good it's a good movie. Like I don't
know I would honestly, Wow, I'm surprised. Man, the that's
so crazy to me when you see like the ratings,
like it's twenty six percent of Rotten Tomatoes. I don't
trust Rotten Tomatoes whatsoever. I think they're kind of I
don't think this one got a fair show at all. No,
even like the audience rating review is three point eight

(54:38):
and a lot of like a lot of people half
of the audience seem to go five stars, but then
there's like a decent amount of ones and twos, a
lot of fours. But I'm like almost surprised just because,
like I think it was fairly good, you know, once
you actually scroll through, there is a lot of four
and five stars.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
But huh, but yeah, like overall, I don't think this
was like very well received. To be honest, this like
a list of review absolutely useless movie. There are certain
horror movies that are excellent scriptwriting where the audience is
left in suspense to what will happen. I am hand stuck,
hard stuck, trying to remember when I last watched a

(55:19):
movie that was so infuriating. Oh yeah, so infuriating. Furiating, okay, Lee,
infuriating Lee, predictable and yet inconsistent. It's absolutely stupid that
I was forced to write this review.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Well, don't dude, I'm just gonna I'm just angry at
this movie, so I'm gonna write write a review.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
There's a lot of a lot of good reviews, right.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
I have seen this movie a few times, but I
love this version of Jason Voorhees as an intelligent and
smart killer. But I'm not a big fan of the
non Jason characters. This is my first third favorite Jason design,
including Part seven and Part nine, which was dumb that
Part nine Jason is not even Jason, but I guess
the look the look of Jason right and the two
thousand and nine Jason voorhees. If they're re making another

(56:06):
Jason movie or another movie after Victor Miller's lawsuit, I
would love to play Jason voies. It's like, dude, what
you're like a faceless guy named Daniel Jokum?

Speaker 2 (56:17):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (56:18):
So weird man?

Speaker 3 (56:19):
People are very Yeah, buddy, they're not gonna make They're
not gonna it's just some fourteen year old boy.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Yeah, that sounds like a great idea. Let's do that.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
I know, it's like a fourteen year old boy like
I would love to play Jason. It would be a
lot of fun, you know.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
It's just like, that's so weirdo boobs, boos and bogs
trying to say that three times after using a bong.
This gruesome death caused by the Hockey mass killer for
our audience must root for do The lack of interesting
victims feels dismantledly recycled. Even the level of body realism
has been amplified today's improved special effects.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
This is a really long review.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
After the huge success of Freddy Versus Jason horror film,
fans expected an immediate sequel, but they got this instead.
We're both Fria thirteenth and Namonum Shoot franchise is given
a reboot. For the Fria thirteenth reboot, it was decided
to condense the first three five thirteenth movies into one.
Missus var He's the killer in the original Fria thirteenth
is given a quick cameo before we settle down to

(57:18):
business with Jason war He's picking up the now legendary
hockey mask and dispatching his victims with sadistic pleasure. The
truth is that despite when many people say there isn't
anything wrong with this movie, it is fun and enjoyable
horror movie. It does exactly what it promises. It is not.
It is an Oscar winner no, but is enjoyable romp
and it's a it's all that you really need to

(57:40):
be definitely underrated.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
I agree with that. That's like a really.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Good pretty much exactly how I feel like. I mean,
what else do you I expect from?

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:49):
I know, like a movie like this, I would.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Love that box set so expensive though I have that, Yeah,
I want it, but I'm like, I already have I have.
I think I have two different versions of it, the
Blu ray one and then the DVD one, and I'm like.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
I don't need that.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
And that was the only reason I bought it originally
when it came out was because I at at that
point I didn't have any like other collection of it,
so I was like, oh, let me get this one. Then.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
I honestly, out of out of ten stupendous hits I
will gets, is stupendous. I will give it or whatever.
Let's say the machetes. I just thought that was funny.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
I'll give it.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Uh, I'll give it a seven point nine machetes like
almost an eight, like it's almost there, or or like lit'sten.
I'll just give it a clean eight. Fuck it, I'll
give it a clean eight. It is very enjoyable in
this movie. I will go back to you know, there's
things that maybe could have been done better. Uh, the
ending maybe could have been more ramped up.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
There's there's things I guess could have been done better,
but it was it was pretty good. I really did
enjoy it, So yeah, I'll give it a clean, clean eight,
even an A point five.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
I feel like it could hit.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with an A point five and
maybe even a nine on this scale of like slasher
movies or whatever I'm not talking about, like for people
that are gonna come from me when they hear this,
like being like, well, it's not gonna win any oscars.
I think we know that. That's not how we're gauging
these movies now. But like if I if I think
about rewatchability, how fun it is. You know, you could

(59:28):
watch it with friends, you could watch it alone, you
could watch it with a chick, yeah, or your boyfriend
or yeah yeah you're they them friend preferly you know.
So I feel like it and it still has that
and it doesn't feel dated. I mean, the movie is
what fucking what fifteen years old? Sixteen years old? Doesn't it? Yeah,

(59:53):
it doesn't feel like that though. I don't look at
it and go, oh, yeah, this is like a kind
of an older movie that feels real dated now, Like
it's it's fine, everything works the same, everything seems perfect.
I wouldn't have been mad if we had have gotten
a sequel to this, To be honest with you, of
a similar like style of movie, I actually wouldn't have
minded that, to be totally honest.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Yeah, I would have liked that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Like hearing about the idea of like the snow and
like hockey and and there's that reference to that kind
of I think would have been would have been interesting.
Like I I like that idea. That's why I've never
seen never Hike alone, mate, Like, I think it would
be interesting. We could always do, you know, for all
all the people listening definitely support class forecasts on Rumble.
I know a lot of people are not really aware

(01:00:33):
of it, but Rumble is a to me, a superior
platform to YouTube. I think YouTube it suppresses a lot
of content, uh if you're not towing a certain line
or doing a certain thing that they think needs to
be done.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
And like it's for sure for sure for my show,
Like there's some of the episodes we've covered they should
be getting, Like we get hundreds of views on stuff
like the John bin A Ramsey stuff that has done
well and some of the true crime that we've covered.
But I'm like, I don't know, man, Like you should
have an open platform, allow people to speak and have
these open thoughts about movies or our conspiracy stuff and
not be this like very serious condensed thing. So Rumble

(01:01:06):
allows people. It's a I think it's a great platform.
So support the show on there because with Rumble we're
able to stretch it out a little bit more and
do some of those watch alongs and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
But never Hike alone.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Considering it's on YouTube, we should be okay to even
go live on YouTube. But stuff like that would be
pretty fun. I've never seen it. I've only seen like
eclipse of the kind of thing of it being in
the snow. I don't know if that was the first
or second one, but I like that idea. It's a
different take. It's it's interesting they've never really done that
with Jason Voorhees really right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Yeah, like and it's it's I thought that was going
to be distarted of maybe getting shits ordered with the
franchise again when people, when those people involved in all
these lawsuits maybe saw how popular they Never Hike Alone
series was getting and the different ideas and if you'd like,
the snow sentence has always been something that the fans
have always brought up, and then obviously it must be
in the minds of writers and filmmakers as well, because

(01:02:01):
if they wrote that that movie to be mainly set
in the winter, it's obviously in their minds like this
is something people want to see, and this is like
a really cool different lens we can put on like
the generic like summer camp. You know, this is where
you go. If we change it and make it a
winter setting, yeah, it opens up like another world kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Yeah, I agree, and it would be kind of cool
and different and unique, right, But hopefully that shit gets
sorted out and somebody could get their gets their hands
on it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Like it's you know, it is hard to say.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I just hope what every way it's tangled up, it
doesn't end up being one of those things where I'm
not actually so don't nobody quote me on this, but
I'm not sure where like the rights sit now and
howeverything works out. But I hope we don't get one
of those things where, you know, when companies have to
make a movie just to hold the rights. Yeah, yeah,
I hope we don't end up getting that where you
get something like Speed without garbage just because like some

(01:02:57):
company wants to keep their rights and they're going to
revert back if they don't make something. So they just
do a quick turnaround. They take a script off the
shelf that was there for like twenty years and be like,
just make this ship fine.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
I know, because that's definitely what could happen. We're seeing that.
It seems like with Blumbhouse, hoes, I wouldn't want to go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Don't whatever, whatever anybody does, do not give it the
fucking Blumhouse unless you want it buried forever. Unless you
want your franchise complete. It's already in tatters. But if
you want it literally buried at the bottom of Crystal
liked to never return.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Imagine like creating a horror universe or whatever, right, like
having your brand is horror. And at the beginning you met,
you have a lot of success, and then you just
overdo everything and you try to get your hands on everything,
and then you ruin everything, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Know, you've literally gone like full circle. You've gone from
like kind of reinvent and horror and like I remember
being like Blumhouse is the ship. Yeah, that they're trying
new things. I love that they're you know, they're giving.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
Cool for a lot of the movies and stuff like that,
and like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
They were, they were coming out with fresh ideas, they
were bringing new filmmakers on board, they were coming up
with different things, and they were making them feel like
these huge blockbuster movies and then just slowly over time.
I never thought I'd be saying this like on a
podcast where anybody could listen to it. That like Blumhouse
has for the most part, Okay, I'm not going to
say it completely because there's probably some little gems in

(01:04:16):
there that I've liked from time to time. For the
most part, the minute I hear their name mentioned alongside
of an existing IP, I cringe.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Yeah, and I it was like cheap. So I bought
the Exorcist movie. I still haven't seen it yet, believe
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
I talk about that when you watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
This is what I This is what I think we
need to do at some points. So she like, we're
trying not to like do many watch alongs, because it's
it's hard.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
It doesn't it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Sometimes it translates well to audio, like I think those
Faratu that we did I put it out on my
side did translate pretty well. But there's some movies that's
hard to especially if it But I think that the
access the believer, because I've never seen it, would be
interesting to see how much I'll shit on it. And
then I really want to do a watch along near
Hall Halloween of the Halloween Michael, when Halloween kills now

(01:05:05):
how Halloween ends or whatever, because I've I turned it
off right so I only saw like maybe a little
more than half of it. But because you've never really
seen it, I think it would be an interesting to
do live and have everybody, especially on Rumble, and have
everyone kind of come in and watch it with us,
and like, because it's I should finish it at some
point just so I can really make a fullest opinion

(01:05:26):
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
It's just every time I hear them mentioned though, that
is literally the graveyard. If you want to bury your
IP or your idea, just bring it to Blumhouse and
they'll make sure to put the last nail in the
coffin and that will be the end. You will never
be able to well you can. You'll probably end up
on fucking that Stires TV channel or something like that
and you'll be doing like Stires Original TV series or

(01:05:49):
something forwards.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
It is sad because they had big potential, But yeah,
I like this. I thought this is enjoyable. I'm glad
that we kind of covered this. I do think that
I'll figure it out. But next stuff and never helps
you would be a good idea. And we obviously have
many many things that we want to get into on
your show. On my show, I have so many ideas
that I want to cover and do, and I have
episodes written out for all sorts of crazy conspiracies and

(01:06:12):
paranormal stuff. And every time we talk, I was like, Oh,
we could do this, we could do that. There's a
lot of stuff right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
One hundred percent, Like there's so many things in the
bibleline just for this year alone that I thinking of.
And as we're talking about other stuff, I'm like, oh, yeah,
what about this? What about that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
And I like your idea of that that we'reever doing,
like House on Haunted Hill and like the Dark Yeah, yeah,
I think ghosts also movie and Watch when I was
really young.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Also supposedly getting a thirteen episode TV show, each episode
to feature a different ghost.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Oh that's cool. I'd be down for that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Yeah. I hope that actually gets made and it doesn't
get made like a piece of shit. YEA but yeah,
we appreciate everyone for listening. Make sure to check out
our socials. All the links will be down below the
description wherever listen or watching this for both Class horror
casts and Strange group podcasts, so I'll make sure to
keep in touch with this. Theatories a lot of crossover

(01:07:07):
stuff and there's probably stuff that you guys will enjoy
on that side as well. I think if you're into horror,
if you're into stuff like this, it kind of works
both ways. You're probably gonna be into conspiracies and some
other like true crime stuff and paranormal and shit like that.
So there's a lot of crossover stuff there, and we're
gonna do some crossover episodes and things as well. Yeah,
coming up this year.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
I'm excited. You know, this is doing the show is
you know, for everyone that supports. Without you guys, we
wouldn't really have a show. So we really do appreciate it.
And you know, I I this is like highlights, It's
it's it's I've been doing this for so long now.
It's just like this is just part of my life
and it's something I really enjoy doing. And without the

(01:07:50):
people that listen and watch, we don't really have anything,
so make sure like like subscribe, share it, tell your
friends if they're into horror. But like, you know, I
know this like really good horror podcast. It's interesting that
you're in Ireland. I'm in Canada. We have these different
it's a it's interesting just how we've made this bridge
across the ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
It's weird because it doesn't feel like we're not fire away.
At the same time, I know we are, so it
feels like we're closer from there. But yeah, like Tom said,
I think the goal here is probably to build the
community around the two shows. I think there's a lot
of crossover there. And look again, it's fine if you're
a fan of Strange Brew and you're not a fan
of horror or anything like that, that's fine. If you're
a fan of horror movies and you're not a fan
of conspiracies or true crime or maybe that stuff's too serious,

(01:08:28):
then that's fine too. Yeah, there's there's definitely a community there.
I think overall that can be kind of building overlaps.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
I do feel like there's a lot of people that
are interested in both because they're watching scary stuff and
especially more at least more of the paranormal aspects, right,
And like I've said on so many shows, you don't
have to agree with everything that we say or the
opinions that we have on either show for you to
enjoy the show. The idea in the world is like
we've we've kind of put everyone's putting this box of

(01:08:58):
like especially in some reguards, almost like a of like
you can't if you don't believe everything that I believe,
that I don't want anything to do with you. And
I think that's like a kind of crazy statement. We
never used to be like this, so I even recently
that everything's been polarized and people have been shoved into
corners for every opinion and political topic or you know,
even cinema and all. Everyone's been pushing these corners and

(01:09:20):
then they're all like swinging their fists at anybody that
slightly has a different opinion in them. And I just
think that like people need to realize that, like we're
all different, we all have different opinions, but we can
find common ground with the love for horror, conspiracies, comedy,
paranormal all that stuff. We can kind of you know,
everyone put their hand into the huddle. Even though if
we don't all agree and we can all go yay, you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Know, and but but that is true. Like there's a lot
of shows that I listened to it that I watch
that like the hosts or people that come on the
show mightn't have the same opinion to me, And you know,
that's fine. I still enjoy it. It's still it's still
fun to me. I like to watch it. I like
to listen and hear different opinions and stuff. And like
even even horror movies has become like kind of a
thing like that as well. Like, for example, I don't

(01:10:00):
know if I was to come on the show and
be like, oh, I like I actually kind of liked
Halloween Ends and what they tried to do, then everybody,
jes fucking Halloween Ends is fine, And shit, you said
you you said you hate Blumhouse, so you have to
hit It's like no, like everybody's entitled. You just think whatever.
Like I mean, if you like a movie that's regarded
the shittest movie of all time, that's fine. Yeah, that's
actually okay to do.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Yeah, and even like I hate sharing other shows, but
we were called the with a VHS version or like
the dime store version of like last podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
I don't listen to keep up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
With their show anymore on audio, but I watched last
year on the Left. I just think it's funny because
they show videos. It's a good time while you're just
sitting around smoking weed or just taking out having a
drink or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Like it's just easy to put on the background.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
It's kind of laugh some of the dumb shit I
don't agree with, like maybe like I don't know forty
thirty percent of what they say, but I can still
enjoy it that taw I'm Mike. Even with stuff that
like Joe Rogan does or some of these really big names,
I can listen to it and not agree with everything,
but still watch and enjoy the show. Like Jake Shields
Podcast Stupid or some of these more really more controversial people,

(01:11:02):
I can still like it but not agree with.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
Everything their guest says or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Right, Like, so we need to realize that, like people are,
stop being so polarized and just enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
And that that's the whole point. Like you know, it's
a bit of escapism, it's a bit of entertainment, and
that's something I think we really both want to do.
Yes for twenty twenty five is building that community, like,
we want to hear from you, guys, We want comments,
we want but again, right, let me preface all this
with don't do that dickhead thing and just common bullshit
for the sake of common bullshit, because I will block
you from everything. I will delete you. I'm literally I can't, like,

(01:11:33):
I can't even I'm not even doing that thing anymore
where I'm not going back and forth with some fucking
nerd on the internet. And again, somebody will probably clip
this out of context and they'll probably be comments going,
oh my god, I can't have said that. Take it
into the full context of how I'm saying it. We
want to hear from people who enjoy the stuff, enjoy
the show. Yeah, yeah, I don't need like garbage criticism.
That's not even constructive. If you have something constructive to say,

(01:11:56):
I'm all ears like about oh well you could do this,
or maybe if you switch your audio where you switch
your video it look better or this or that. When
people just come on and go like garbage, garbage, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
I know, like when we did the screen thing, it
was it was an Aaron's opinion. I was I just
said that like it didn't make sense with the the
the Twins, the Meek Twins being black or whatever they
agreed with.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
That that at me and I was like, it's just
my opinion, man, you have to like it. Who cares?

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Right, And That's what I've learned, especially after doing like
going I've gone viral on TikTok for my opinions or
whatever like that, and it's it's like I just don't care.
If you don't like what I have to say, you
just scroll past or don't listen whatever. Right, It's about
like if you do enjoy the show, like and if
there's something that like all like I don't necessarily agree
on this, definitely like comment and we can have conversations,
but to like full blown go like like ree and

(01:12:43):
freak out like I don't think it's like that's not
a good look for you. And a lot of people
do that on the Internet. And it's a lot of
like people hiding behind profiles.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
With like the fo of the internet, so you can
just say and behave whoever you want with like no
real word consequences. It's that thing like that Mike Tyson
always talks about, you know, He's like, it's fine to
say all that stuff and do all that stuff when
you know you're into bed with your garfriend and you're
on your phone. But it's like if I'm standing in
front of you or you're getting punched in them out, Yeah,
like the real world consequences then very quickly make you go, ah, okay,

(01:13:11):
I will not do.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
That, make bullying them great again.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
It's actually but yeah, we kind of d off on
a tangent there. But marl of the story is I
want to build a community. Yeah, I want to hear
from you guys. I want more feedback. I want people
to jump into live streams and comment and and share
and let me know your opinions. Even if you disagree
with everything I say about movies or about my opinion
on filmmakers or whatever. We can have a back and forth.
Like it doesn't have to be a toxic Yeah, you
can at somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Might I think it'd be a good idea to maybe
create like a telegram channel.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
I know a lot of black people do.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Use it, like I just it's it's hard trying to
keep up with all the social media people have people
they pay to do that stuff. So that's why the
best support of the shows and and even just reviews
and stuff like that. The free things do actually help
a lot. But like if we can bring people together
in a community or a group chat on Instagram or whatever,
because you can do those channels on Instagram, I think
it'd be a good idea at some point once you
build up a big community to.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
Do that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
I did. I did have a discord at one time.
Maybe some people will remember this. I had a discord
server for kind of the show and then like horror
movie watch alongs, we used to do movie nights and
stuff and it just became now. Don't get me wrong, there
was a lot of good people out there who did
actually help out when I came in and like moderated
and like help me build it out and stuff, but
it was it was a lot of extra work that

(01:14:22):
I wasn't able to keep up. At the time, there
been like nine thousand people on us. That's crazy, and
it was just wild and I just wasn't able to
keep up with Like there was like a million different
like chat room things and like a million different things.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
I never understood discording anyway, so I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Know, like, and I love the idea because I was like, oh,
I can build out like an audience. I'm here and
like a core group of people, but like it's just
it's so like all over the place. I was like,
I don't know how to I'm gonna have to bow out. Guys,
you can just take this over because I can't deal
with this.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
Yeah, and that's how it goes.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
But yeah, it's just you know, we love all the
fans out there, and we'll just keep rambling.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
On like yes we will. So we're gonna go now.
I hope you enjoyed this episode. If you did, let
us know. If you didn't, don't bother let me know.
I only want positive feedback. I have low self esteem,
so I don't need any activity. Thanks and yeah, we'll
see you in the next episode, where we'll be chatting
about the remake of a Nightmare on Street Peace.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Thanks for listening to another episode of Class Horror Cast.
Stop the CHC podcast at classharror cast dot com at
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Twitter at Class Underscore Horror. The CC podcast is hosted
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