Midnight Meat Train (2008) – Clive Barker’s Lost Horror Gem - Class Horror Cast

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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hi, welcome back everybody to another episode of Class Horror Cast.
I'm one of your hosts, Aaron, and I'm joined by
my co host Thomas as I like to call him.
He doesn't like that, so I'll allow him to introduce
himself at all his coolast nicknames.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm Tom kat aka Tom Thompson though Raptilian. You can
find out my music on all music platforms. I'm working
on a new album. I just gotta finish recording like
four songs and essentially it's done, and it's gonna be
a little different but still kind of the same subject
matter but a little different if you if you're easily offended,
I don't know, if you're.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Like my music, probably won't like any of them. Pushing
just ahead of the.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Name of the game. Yes, so you want to talk
about something?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, Actually, so before we get into we're going to
talk about in this episode. We just wanted to talk
for him and I guess about neither of us had
this conversation yet, so it's not something that's been like
pre planned about the recent movie Death of a Unicorn,
which Tom, I let you go first because you've seen
it before I did.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, So, like we had we had movie tickets right
that like buy one, get one free, whatever some like
a deal or whatever, and it was done in April,
so we wanted to go see a movie and it
was that or Woke White, you know, Snow White, and
like I heard that was awful. So uh so we're like, oh,

(01:47):
Chelsea is like that that unicorn movie just came out
and I was like, let's go see that. That looked fun,
like I remember seeing the trailer and then so we
saw it. She thought it was okay, you know, for
what it was like. She's like, she didn't like it
too much, but I liked it. For a horror movie
about a unicorn. I thought that it was fairly good.

(02:09):
And I like that one like that one bald guy,
the servant guy.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
He's very good. And I will say, gets his name.
I used to love Paul Road. Now I can't look
at him every movies and I'm like, I would just
want him to die. Yeah, Anthony Carrigan is that guy's name?
A very good actor and you recognized him instantly because
he played Victor z As in the Gotham TV show.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I didn't know that, I know, dude, he was fantastic,
Wow from Barry. Have you seen Barry?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I haven't, but I know I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
He's like a hit man and it's like his body,
it's like really his buddies kind of after him. But
like it's a very funny. Like if you never have
seen Barry with what's that? Give me a sec. What's
that guy's name?

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Hin a scary looking dude though, right, oh yeah, what's
that guy's name?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
That's uh Bill Hatter Hater Hatter Hitter. He's in it,
Stephen or Yeah, Stephen Root, Anthony Kerrigan, Yeah, he's he's
gold in that show, Like Barry is actually a very
good show. Yeah, that's funny, but he's kind of he's

(03:28):
kind of comical too though. He's like you can play
that Psycho is the Gotham Show any good?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Fantastic? Really, dude, it's I guarantee you they get. It
has like a bit of everything. It's like it's got
its action, it's got whatever, but it's also got like
kind of horror elements. The storytelling is really good.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
I don't know if I can convinced the wife to
watch that, But do you want to watch? You a
whole series about Batman? Trying to get her to watch Technically.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
It's not, though, that's the good thing. What it's technically
not about Batman.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I've been trying to get her to watch Daredevil and
he was like bored by it, like the news.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, yeah, this is completely different. I didn't think because
I've watched some of those kind of shows, and I
was like, like I used to love Arrow. And then
I was like, I don't know if I can get
into another show like that, but this is completely different
than what I was expecting.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
So I like Death of a Unicorn. I thought it
was like fun and it kept my attention the whole time.
And I also went, I was I think I was
pretty high when I went. I did smoke some weed.
I smoked a joint, so like I was like in
a good mood and you didn't like it at all.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Not so for people who don't know, Like I'm assuming
that everybody's probably gonna listen to the show and I
will know most of the things we talk about. But
basically the story is a father daughter duo Elliott and Ridley,
hit a unicorn with their car and bring it to
a wilderness retreat of a mega wealthy pharmaceutical CEO. So
from what I could kind of gather from like half

(04:52):
watching the movie, was he some sort of like attorney
lawyer kind of dude, and he's like trying to take over,
like this guy who's dying.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
And whatever, and yeah, so you fell asleep or no.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
But I was just like, looking at my phone, I
was like, it's just fucking I was the only person
in there.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
I was like, Wow, this is absolutely just dreadful. I
don't know what it was about it. I just couldn't
fucking I couldn't do it, eh, I just could not
get into it. I like, like, what did you What
was it about it that you enjoyed?

Speaker 3 (05:30):
I just I don't know, Like I thought it was
kind of comical, like the the deaths and the kills
were kind of funny, you know, for like a for
a you know, comedy kind of horror about a unicorn
killing people. I thought that the story for what it
was like it was decent. I thought it could have
been a way worse.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
That's how if someone said to you, I have fifteen
million dollars and this is the movie I'm gonna make,
what would.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
You say, like if the death of the Unicorn? I
but like that sounds weird, I guess.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
But if someone said, like, I want to spend fifty
million dollars on a movie and this is number one
on my list, I think this is the best idea.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Oh no, yeah, it's definitely could have been used for
something else. It is weird that it got approved for
what it is, but as a whole, like you know,
I would probably watch it again, Like I.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Think, Christ, I don't know if I could ever make
it true that ever again.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I thought, I don't know, this is the first time
we've really disagreed on something. But I thought it was
for what it is, for entertainment purposes, it was an
enjoyable movie, like it was decently. It was fun for
what it was and what it was about.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
It had elements that I was like, I could see
like the bones of a really good movie. But I
kind of wish it had it went one way or
the other. Like I've seen people like there's people on
fucking IMDb before I went like, I'll always just have
a quick look on like reviews and stuff, but I
won't spoil it, but I'll just get a general feel
for like, okare how are people feeling about this? And
like I've seen people saying things like, you know, it

(07:06):
won't make anyone's best horror movie list or anything like that,
but well, for sure, this mixing the social satire of
Knives Out with monster movie thrilled such as Drastic park
and Aliens Death of a Unicorn is a gleefully unsubtled
bit of fun. I'm like, right, I didn't now. I
could see right how you could tie it to stuff

(07:26):
like Drastic Parking, but I just wish it had it
just went one way or the other. I didn't really
like the way it was like haha, comedy, haha. It's
supposed to be kind of serious and we're supposed to
care about the relationships. Now, it's supposed to be scary. Now,
it's supposed to be kind of gory funny, and I
just picked one and stick to it because they don't.
I just felt like they'd done none of those things
well enough. And then when you've done a bit of

(07:48):
everything and done none of it well, I was like, wow,
this just feels like four different movies pretty much. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know. Like there was parrots, but I was like, okay,
that's pretty cool, and I like the idea of like
a scary unicorn. It was something that never really occurred

(08:09):
to make it.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Do an episode on my show about unicorns, because there
is a fair amount of like cryptid stuff about them.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
The other thing I really had an issue with was
why you so much CGI?

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Please start? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Now, I will say that when it when it came
to nighttime in the story, the CGI was infinitely better.
And I think that's because they had like the darkness
to kind of hide some of maybe the imperfections. But
when you first start to see them and it's like
broad daylight, I'm like, wow, that is so jarringly like
clearly obvious that it's CG.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I just can't I'm surprised they chose that, But who knows.
If I watched it again at home, I could be
a little more critical. Like I just thought, for a
movie about a unicorn horn, you know, in a horror movie.
I thought it could have been worse. That's how I
thought of it.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, I just wish, like part of me when they
were doing the scary parts, like where it was meant
to be kind of scary and some of the kills,
I was like, I want that movie just for the
entire hour forty minutes.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Well, it's also like there. It's also because some of
the people that were in it, like I love William
Poulter or whatever that.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yes found though I like, I like Paul Rudd and stuff,
but like I just found like in this he was
just like trying really hard funny and I was like, wow,
you're embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, I didn't. I'm actually not gonna lie. I didn't
like Paul Rudd's performance that much, but they like there
was there's a fair amount of like decent actors and actors. Yeah,
that is so funny. Like some of the stuff that
he's been in, especially when he was like younger, and
he's been able to do like a more serious take
like he's been in Midnight. Some are midsom which I

(10:00):
do definitely want to cover. He kind of grew as
an actor because I mostly think of him as we're
in the Miller's right, it's going on brows. You know.
It's a weird face, man.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
He does, right, he does. I was like, is it
only mean that thinks that?

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, No, he definitely has a weird face, and he's
coming up in a war movie soon.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
But yeah, I don't know. So if we get onto
what we actually came here to talk about, then now
the opinions could flip again because I'm not sure. Me
and Tom haven't talked about how either of us feel
about this movie that we're going to cover, so this
could change. Now, this could go from Me loving this
movie and Tom hating us. So I don't know. Yeah,
but yeah, So today we're hopping aboard the Midnight Metriin

(10:47):
as we take a deep dive into two thousand and
eight horror Trigler. Based on a short story by Clive Barker,
this dark, grizzly and visually striking film was directed by
Ryu Kitamura. Has gained the cult following over the years
for its unique mix of gore, psychological horror, and bizarre mystery.
That it wasn't a major commercial success at the time

(11:08):
of its release. Midnight Me Train has stood out as
a prime example of brutality and surreal storytelling that Clive
Barker has become known for.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
My wife but I was like, we're gonna watch Midnight
Me Train, and I'm like, she's like, I don't want
to watch that. I'm like, Bradley Cooper's in it, Like
it's not that bad at least, it's not like She's
like that last one that you made me watch was
horrible and I was like, the.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Last broadcast, no, no.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
No, what we just covered kness fault, Like that was awful.
I was like it was fun, you know, it's like
nostalgic to me and Aaron, so we both like it.
And she was like, no, it was like the acting
was trash. It looked like trash. It just poorly written,
so rude, just shit around it. I know she enjoyed

(11:58):
this a little more, but she's like, I don't want
to watch. It's just the name, how.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Like, yeah, yeah, a very weird choice of name as well.
And I see lots of people make jokes about that
because obviously like.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Barker's homosexual, so yeah, I didn't know that is he
really They.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Were like, of course it's called Me Trained, but he
didn't name the movie.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
So I didn't know he was a home A.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, I think that's why all his stuff for sexy
he talks about it. I'm like someone saying, no, you
can't like him anymore.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
He's gay.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
But I was literally taking that. I was like this, now, no,
because I was like, I feel like he knows that
he's gay. He'll be like I hate all this work.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, No, I got nothing against gay people. Man, at
least he hides it well, I guess, but I've read
his I've read a couple like I've read one of
his books. I liked it. It was.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Actually I don't know if he's No, I think he
is gay. I don't know if he's gay or he's
bisexual or something. Heart but A, he's a very like
because I'll get into a little bit later, like some
of the special features. So for people listening or watching,
I watched the extreme edition or like the unrated cut. Yeah,

(13:11):
so there was a theatrical cut that was like cut
to pieces, but I watched the one with all the
like where they left in all the full gore scenes
and stuff. And there's a couple of special features on
it that were quite good and it like talks to
Clive quite a bit and it was actually really interesting listen.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
So you want to so Clive Barker has started. He
identifies as a gay man who had relationships with women
and considers women a central part of his life. So
it says that he had several relationships with older women
during his teenage years, but realized he was gay when
he was around eighteen, So he probably got molested by women,
it sounds like, and then it maybe switched him because

(13:50):
like how young were you? And you know, because if
you're realized you were you had relationships with older women,
but you realize you're gay around eighteen or nineteen, So
how young were you when these im and we're maybe
taking advantage of you?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
And he's also I wonder, like I don't want to
speak for him because that's fucking I don't know if
that is the case, Like, but he's like a hyper
sexual guy as far as I can tell, and I
don't even I don't know if I mean that in
like the physical terms, Like he doesn't seem like a
you know, a guy who's trying to be all like
creepy and like ha, let me like sex. Everybody up
but like, if you look at a lot of his work,

(14:22):
it's very like sexualized. There's a lot of like bondagey
kind of stuff and like.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
So he's like I think you can be physically homosexual
and spiritually bisexual.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Okay, interesting, I never knew that.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, yeah, okay, despite.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
So what did what did you just said in Euro's
spiritual homo?

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's like whatever. I'm a big fan
of hal Raiser. I've read what was that one book
that I read? I read most of it, like I
think I didn't finish it, but it was it was editing.
He is a good writer. But yeah, his works are
very like I don't know, maybe he is diving into

(15:05):
a little bit of a of a fetish like even.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
If you look at things like hr Geiger, gig or
howeveryone I'll pronounce it. I have a book downstairs like
this big, like fucking six or seven hundred page book
of all his different artwork and stuff. The amount of
like weird like sexy like dicks and titties and like
vaginas and stuff that are in his work is like

(15:29):
kind of unsettling. I'm like, what is that about?

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Or something deep inside of them? You know, so you
never you never know, but like I can't where the
hell's that tray for that book? Then I can't find But.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
This movie actually really got like pulverized though, like I
actually feel kind of bad. Yeah, so like what we
can talk about. I'll give you my opinions and stuff
once where you really get into it. But I like
Clyde so this reminded me of a Clyde Barker film really,
so yeah, like no, I will say right it was.
In my opinion, it's definitely one of the better outcomes

(16:04):
for his adapted works, and he himself even says it
that I had written down here so like some of
the notes from like the commentary track. So it's him
and the director like they watched the movie together, and
to be honest with you, like they're quite frank in
everything they say, like they're not doing that thing where
it's like, oh, this movie is so good, everything is

(16:25):
so great, everything's so perfect, Like they're just really honest
about it, and like straight away Barker's like, yeah, we've
been working on getting this movie made for a long time.
The script was the hardest part. Slash elements are fine,
but nobody could really convey any of the bigger things
that he felt like were a play, which we'll get into,
like the that like backstory, well.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
I heard that the book it was only a short story,
right that they had to add certain adaptations in the
film of like making more of a background of Leon
or whatever, because it wasn't in the book. He was
just like a what like a worker or like a
service worker at the trains to or something like that.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
He see you again in the he was in a
was he an accountant or something like.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
That, something like that where he's just like a base
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
He's just like and yeah, And I think the whole
point was, like I think why they chose photographers because
they kind of wanted to bring in that kind of
night crawlery.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
There was times in this film though, that I'm like,
what are you doing? What you like, I'm freaking out,
like why are you going that way? Why are you
following him? Are you fucking retarded? Like why would you
go that direction? Why would you like? Do that drives
me insane horror movies and people like purposely put themselves
into very dangerous situations where I'm like, man, how why,

(17:45):
Like I know you're like you're being fueled by curiosity,
but like, if you know this man is, I'm not
gonna follow Jeffrey Dahmer into his apartment and then like
bend over and be like all right, sir, I'm ready.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Was the So from listening, I'm trying to find out
exactly where I had written this down.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
But if you knew Ted Bonny was a serial killer,
would you follow him into his house? Oh?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
No, no, not at all. Yeah, that was it I
wrote down. I do like the idea of Leon slowly
descending into madness. That sex scene is intended to like
seem like it's more rough than like she was expecting,
or he's kind of like turned into something. The fact
that he has all these visions and nightmares, And I
didn't realize until I listened to the commentary Trek. The

(18:33):
whole idea is supposed to be why he does all that.
Remember when he first meets Mahogany or whatever, and like
he grabs them and he like looks at him or whatever.
So the whole idea is supposed to be from that
point they have this weird connection connection and that's why
he's That's why he's doing all the dumb shit of
like like you just said, I think now it doesn't

(18:54):
come across very well when you're watching it, but it's
supposed to be. Like it's like he can't help himself
but make all the wrong choices and like go all
the wrong ways and do all the wrong things.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I know what. I'm like, why are you doing this? Man?
It's so so it's a dumb I'll tell you a
little secret about myself, you know. Uh, sex scenes and
movies and shows, I will fast forward through them, especially
if they're obnoxiously long. I feel like we've talked about this,
maybe I feel like maybe me and Billy did. But
it's just I just I don't. I don't care. Like

(19:24):
if I want to watch a sex scene, I'll put
on some porno or some shit. You know.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
It's like, yeah, like I don't, don't. It's not something
that necessarily interests me, to be honest, and like whatever.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Sometimes they're so long that even like even on shows,
me and like what the fuck And we'll skip through
it and it's like ten minutes and we're like, why
is this like important? Like you even there was Uh,
there's been a couple of movies that we've watched where
we're like they could have just shown them go into
the room, like if you're gonna show nudity, show nudity
or whatever, right, but don't make it this little thing
where you just see like half of a nipple or

(19:54):
whatever and there's rolling around the sheets. I do it
or not do it. But there's definitely been some sex
scenes in like movie and shows. They're like very obnoxiously long,
and I don't know what the purpose is. It's not telling,
it's not like is that benefiting the story. So I
was like, I don't need like whatever. I'm just gonna
skip through this because like it's fucking boring me.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, And even from listening to what I think, the
only reason that I think that was put in was
to convey that, you know, the way she's trying to
be like the support of partner and stuff like that,
and she's trying to be like quite loving, and then
like I think that scene is supposed to convey like
instead of like them making love, he's just fucking hard. Yeah,
and she's just kind of there, like you can even

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see in her face express she's kind of like, huh,
that's like I thought we were making love, but now
I'm getting fucked to death and like supposed to be like,
you know, he's turning into something that he wasn't.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
To be honest, most men, would you rather make love
or fuck?

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Be honest with your stuff, fuck'll be a bitch.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Che you know, like that's what the man wants to do,
Like you gotta be sensual a bit and stuff like that,
but most men just want to get to it. That's
an honest take, and it's probably true for most people,
unless you're an effeminate bitch.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Clive says as well, two or three times. I think
that he's quite aware that most of the stuff, most
of his work that's been adapted for screen is pure garbage.
He and I upon like more investigation. He's probably the
number one guy who speaks out against his own stuff

(21:30):
being adapted for screen. That like projects start, he's really
excited about, like, oh, this short story or this book
or whatever is going to be adapted into a movie.
You know, that's the natural progression. He thinks it's a
great idea. Yeah, and he's like and then just overtime
between studios, producers, distribution companies, all these different people get
involved and by the end of it, you're just sitting

(21:50):
there going, I know, because.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
When we I want to cover Howard's at some point,
But honestly, I want to do like one, two, and
three and then save the mess up ones for either
watch alongs and commentaries or just like a forty five,
like you know what I mean, I do, I don't.
I do not want to cover all whatever, how many
they are in one sitting, like so I like even
like I would do the first three, but like it's

(22:13):
some of them I've had to turn off. But like
when he goes to space and all stuff like those
are fun commentaries for everybody. Like make sure if you're
listening to this or watching this, go subscribe on Rumble
because we're able to do a little more things on Rumble,
especially like watchalongs and stuff like that. So it's definitely
worth subscribing to. Like I keep shouting that out, but
Rumble is a great platform that is a little more

(22:35):
lenient when it comes to things, So uh, definitely go
check that out. But yeah, I can't, I couldn't do like,
but I honestly think that hell Raiser one and two
are pretty phenomenal when it comes to a horror movie
especially the first one, like just the set up, the
way that carries on, you know what I mean, it's
it's still uh still holds up and it's just because

(22:55):
of uh yeah. I do like the the guy plays
Pinhead Bradley some something, Doug Bradley Bradley. He does a
good job without him, It's not really There.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Was a there's a couple of feature things on the
the unrated version of the movie and have Clive Barker
the Man behind the Myth, the Anatomy of Murder, Mahogany's Tail,
and then like the audio commentary with the two guys.
But the bid on Clive it goes it's actually really good.
I might see if I can find it on YouTube
and send it you because it's actually a really good,

(23:26):
like fifteen minute watch. It's like a mini documentary. But
they go to his house in Hollywood and he has
this fucking it's like an underground bunker he goes down into,
but it's his art studio where he does all his
paintings and stuff, and like, dude, it's like gamme goosebumps.
Because I was like, this is kind of spooky, like
it's like kind of seems like a character from a
movie as well, how he works and like how his

(23:48):
mind works. And he was talking about, like they ask
him about, you know, why do not you really direct
anything or like really have much involvement. It's more like,
you know, people option his stories and then somebody else
makes them and he kind of, you know, it's just
like an executive producer. And he says it on the
documentary thing, He's like, because I don't have full control,
and then everybody messes up and it's a pile of

(24:09):
shit that I don't like. So the only thing I
can control is if I write a story or write
a book, it's only me holding the pen. And if
I paint a painting, it's only me holding the paintbrush.
So that's the reason that I love that more than
I love filmmaking.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Makes sense, I would we could cover him as a
person at some point.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, fascinating guy, I mean crazy, Yeah, I guess you know,
he's kind of a weird.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Covering some of these more obscure like artists would be interesting.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
I am. I did write down as well that one
of the biggest issues that I probably have with the
movie I like, so I enjoy this movie A good
bit to be honest with you, but one of my
glaring issues that I didn't really like that much, and
maybe it's just me. I tried to like kind of
not notice as much, but it does bother me in
parts was the fucking use of CGI.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Man. I know, okay, there was some kills where I
was like, oh that that like that's cool for what
it is, but then you can, like the beginning of
the CGI, it looks pretty decent and then it goes
too far, like the eyeballs popping out. I was like, cool,
but like I would have liked it to be practical

(25:20):
because I think it would have looked it would have
looked a little better, Like there was parts around my
game that looks cool, cool, cool cool cool. No, like
you know what I mean, where it looked kind of
it looked decent at first, and then it just goes to.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Like a dress, there's things they don't like. And it
started to remind me of like you know, some of
those later Resident Evil movies where it became just like
a tree d even the techno music awful, but like
even even as the CG got better, like when Wesker
and stuff comes into it, and like there's a scene.
I don't know if it's Resident Evil Afterlife one of

(25:52):
those anyway, where uh, Wesker is in some big lab
room thing and Alice is it is that the character? Yes,
so she walks in and she's like, oh, Wesker. She
does like the cringey like Wesker ran back and this
time I brought some friends. And then he turns around
and goes, well you should have brought more, and he

(26:14):
takes his sunglasses off and he throws them and like
it does this treaty and then she has to like
dodge the glasses for some reason. I don't know why,
because what are the glass is going to do? And
then while she's dodging the glasses, he's like spinning in
slow motion in CG like flying. It was parts of

(26:35):
this movie that reminded me of like that weird like
why did we have to use CGI here? Because it's
really taking me out of it. Like there's a few
scenes where he hits people with that meat hammer thing
and the blood spatter is CG on the windows or
he smashes is it rampage Jackson? Did he smash his
head off the glass window and the cracks in the
fucking glass window are cg Yeah, and I'm like.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Jacks did not like doing this movie, he said. I
watched a clip of him talking about how he would
they did. I don't think they did hang him up
by the meat hook or did they? I can't remember, No,
I don't think because he complained about that, they wanted
him to wear a thong and he was like, and
they wanted to plast because they had to plaster him up.
But he's like, I'm supposed to be out of a meat hook.
And he was like, this is the most degrading film

(27:21):
I've ever done. And he was like, and it plastered
me up, and they wanted me to wear a thogs like,
I ain't wear a thong. I don't know you people.
And then so he's like, I'll wear a jockstrap. I'm
an athlete, Like, ill, sure, I'll wear that. And then
he was like I almost had to fight one of
these motherfuckers because one of them slapped my ass cheeks
when they were like plastering it. And he was like,
I don't know these people. And it just seemed like

(27:41):
he had a terrible time to this film.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
He can be a bit of a like I'm a
huge UFC guy have been for like probably last like
twenty years. But he can be a bit of a
money bitch as well. Though he's kind of annoying sometimes.
I'm like, for a guy who's a professional fighter, he
doesn't offload him on them.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, I mean my way, you know.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
But look, maybe that's the way when you get to
like the top levels and ending, I think you have
to be a little bit fucking a little bit gone.
I did enjoy though, like the visual style and like
the direction, Like the art direction I thought was quite good.
Like and that Ryu Kimura guy who directed this movie,
like this was his first feature as well, which I

(28:21):
thought was really good considering like if this was your
first movie, I'd be quite happy with that. Like I'd
stand over that and say, you know what, like I
gave that my best shot, considering I've never done it before.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it visually looks good. Like
I enjoyed the movie, right, I thought it was pretty decent,
you know, some of the some of the like That's
why I said some of the CGI, I'm like, I
wish you could have you know.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, yeah, I actually wrote that down you you. Yeah,
I knew you'd feel the same I was like, can
you imagine how perfect this movie could have been if
they had to use practical effects my CG just to
clean up some shots.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, I know, because like practical would have looked way better.
But you know, but there through some of the film,
like I said, I was like, what do you do it? Why?
I know he's being pulled in? They should have made
that a little more obvious or.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Like, yeah, it's really not. It doesn't translate. I don't
think unless you're listening to it with the guys talking
over it. I think it's very hard because like even
as I was listening to the commentary check, I was like, oh,
now I get it, but like some of that now
as well could boil down to this movie got like
shredded to pieces between rod tomatoes.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
That's better than the Death of the Unicorn.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
No, I mean in the sense of between the MPa
or whatever. They took out like half the movie. And
then on top of that, like the producers and stuff
kept coming back and going no, get rid of this,
put more of this in, get rid of that, get
rid of this, And supposedly it's cheaper for them to
use CGI than it is to do practical. So they
were very like, I know, we won't bother. We're practical,

(30:01):
and like the guys were kind of fighting on some
of the stuff, being like no, no, but this has
to be practical. Though, we're doing close ups of like
a dead body or whatever, like no, we just do
CG bodies hanging on the hooks, Like no, we have
to buy some bodies and hang them up like it's
gonna look garbage.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah. And I'm I'm not gonna say I'm gonna say it.
I'm not a fan of public transit. I never want
to go on a subway again. I hate subways. I
hate public hate buses. I hate the people on them.
They can all be hooked on meat trains and traveled
into the depths of.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Her for the most part, Like they're a certain type
of person.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
It's true.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
It's yeah. And and so when this came out in theaters,
did it make a lot of money? Oh?

Speaker 2 (30:42):
It made like ship money. So that was what I
was going to say. Yeah, so I didn't notice, Actually
that's this random somewhere this was I found this, Like
I was like, what so in its North America can release?
It opened in one hundred and two theaters only right, Yeah,

(31:06):
and they weren't. The theaters that it opened in were
a specific type of theater that I have never heard
of before. They're known as dollar theaters, known for their
extremely low admission prices. This was apparently a decision that
was made by a newly hired executive at lines Gate
known as Joseph Drake, who greatly disliked the film and

(31:26):
was doing anything to actively bury it. And even Clive
Barker spends about fifteen minutes on the commentary where he's like,
I want to address all the issues that I have,
which Drake and all the stuff he'd done to try
and and like Live was like I rang his office constantly,
and eventually he got on the phone with me and
he was like, he was like, I'll be honest. He
was like, I can be quite difficult. And when I

(31:48):
get annoyed, like I'm like screaming shout and I'll call
you anything and everything. I'll say shit about you that
like people wouldn't say. And the dude just went, no,
Live is just not gonna work at scarbage movie.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Wow, I'd be pissed just because some new guy and
the thing is not giving the film a chance to
do well in the major theaters and stuff like that, like.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Like supposedly this this was supposed to be like a
big theater released. There was supposed to be loads of
like promo put into it. They wanted it raided r
and all that stuff was slowly but surely, just like
back step back.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
I feel like it could have done well they put
in major theaters because people be like, oh, this sounds
fucked up, you know, go with your buddies or something
like that. Like I do think there was there could
have been.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
He had written a trilogy. Yeah, what he had written
a trilogy?

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (32:35):
And so they were gonna they were gonna have Bradley
Cooper come back again and we were gonna it was
gonna pick up and see how his story continued. And
then the hard one I think was gonna go back
to the start and you were going to see how
Vinnie Jones's character ended up. Oh that would have been interesting, yeah,
but it was like obviously after it came out, like.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
And like it's so like annoying sometimes, you know, even the.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Worst power is though it's like you say, every time,
the part that kills me is when the things are
lost and ruined by people who I feel like don't care.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
No, I know, they just want to make their money,
all the record execs and there. I would say anything
I'll say from my show, but you know they're always yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, I know who they are. It's a three letter
words you're going to use.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
That's so true, and then they ruin everything. Yeah, I
want you to carry on with your notes, Like I
want to talk about the end near the end, so
we can because that's the interesting part.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah. Yeah, I was trying to save it, Like as
normally we kind of go all over the plus, but
this one, I feel like the end is a bit wild,
so I was trying to save it. I do actually
like the idea from having to get into like the
underabelity of the city and like you know, showing the
reality of like what a city can be like after
the sun goes down. I feel like it's only like

(33:47):
if we go into reality it's on, it's it's day
and night now, and like it's probably it's much worse
than what we're seeing in the movie. But I do
kind of like that. I don't know if you've ever
seen Night Crawler.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
With a thin I think I watched. Yeah, it's the
guy who was in Roadhouse econom McGregor. Yeah, yeah, and
you know that kind of idea, And I do feel
like it kind of they done a good job.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
I think of like kind of portraying like how spooky
the city could be if you were like creeping around
like that trying to get like shots of crimes or
like scary shit.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Yeah, And like there was a doc I'm trying to
Dark Days, I think is that it. Uh, there's a documentary.
I watched this like really drunk and a trippy out
when I was younger. Ye had Dark Days And it's
a documentary indie film and it's about like people living
in the underground subways I think in New York and

(34:39):
how they live literally underneath.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
These I've seen it.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, it's so wild man. Yeah, and like literally they
have electricity and all that type of stuff, like they're
stealing power from like the I think the subway trains
above them. I actually would like to maybe do it
a watch along. It's actually really well and run to
me and stuff a lot of places. It's a it's

(35:02):
a bizarre thing. Yeah, maybe we'll look at doing this
because it's on my side. It's it's bizarre and weird
and just kind of creepy, and it'd be Finney see
Billies Take It's only an hour and a half, but
like it's just weird to see how people live like
that and how you know, it is like Futurama or
something where there's like an underground, not necessarily mutant people,
but like legit people living far off and yeah, in

(35:25):
like the depths of the underground. You know, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
I know, imagine they're scary. That'd be though, like if
you were let's say you were just ripped out of
your life right now, because I know that's probably how
some of these people ended up there. Like I don't
think anybody ever went you know what I want to do.
I want to live in the so by like a rat. Yeah,
I know, but it's like, you know, it's just true circumstances.
Some people just end up. But imagine if you were
just ripped from your life right now, everything got fucked

(35:51):
up on you. You lost everything, and it was like
my only option is like I'm gonna have to like
venture down into the Soaby or whatever and just like
and like to go down there, and then you have
all these like pre Yeah, you have all these like
pre established people who were most of them are probably
at this point like completely psychotic.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, I know, you know, and then like you find
like essentially like there's friends and different characters and it's
just like it is wild man. Yeah, I'll actually look
at doing that sometimes soon. It would be interesting to
cover on my show because I do. I do have
an episode about the it's about more people essentially people
that live in the underground. I espentially gonna maybe do

(36:28):
it for Patreon, but I'm like it may be too
it might be like too good to just hide away
because it's so weird the amount of people that do
live in the undergrounds of some of these like subway systems,
and it's pretty weird. But hey, if I would, I
would rather be living on the street corner or in
some of the depths of the underground where they have
a little bit of electricity and you can build shelters

(36:49):
and stuff like that. Not gonna. I'd probably rather be
a sewer red.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Oh I see him on dude like a computer.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
I know.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
I like it's crazy. I was like I was like
living down in this little hole. It's like down in
like a.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
It's like the local like jerk Off Center, like they
have like like you know, oh god, you know what
I mean, that's where all the homeless people go if
they need to get the rocks off.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Like I did actually write down several times that I
love how this movie was late, like the kind of
spooky like kind of gothic colors and the city. I
felt like they kind of captured New York in like
a different way. They made it feel really isolated, like
at night when he goes out or when he's first
following Mahogany, it feels like the streets are like almost empty,

(37:37):
like when he becomes fixated on him. Yeah, but like
when he becomes fixated on him, it's like it feels
like there's nobody else around. So it's like if something
happens to you, like you're fucked.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Well. And in those scenes where he's like sitting there
with his briefcase, even Chelsea was like why would you
go up to this guy? And he's like holding it tightly,
like and you're saying weird. But in some of those
shots where he's just he's watching him for god knows
how long and it's like all the people are I
thought that was kind of a cool shot.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Also, way is his name Mahugany?

Speaker 3 (38:04):
He really likes the smell of wood, you know.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
You know it's like because instantly I had to double
take on it. I was like, wait a second, what
his name is?

Speaker 3 (38:12):
And some of the parts I'm like, I just hate
stupid people in horror movies, like when the girlfriend Leslie
Bibb or whatever her name is, like when she's like, uh,
and when they're searching the apartment and then she sees
a bag all of a sudden on the table, but
it wasn't there before, and then so you go through
the bag. Whenn't you clue in that he's in the
apartment now and that and like yeah, and how she

(38:33):
she doesn't hear what happens to Jurgons or whatever that
guy's weird name is, Like why is your name Jurgens?
Assuming that's his last name, but Jurgens is literally a
jerk off cream, you know, Jurgons cream. Aaron knows about it.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
He's yeah, but like that what that guy's name was?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Something weird?

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Like I'm pretty sure, yeah, did you have the thing
pulled up? I'm pretty sure his name is Jurgins. Midnight
me train, I did.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I definitely haven't written down somewhere, but I have a
million pages of notes.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
You always do me, uh, I know.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, it was like something wrong with me.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah, his name is Jurgis. Oh, Jurgis. I thought it
was Jurgins. I swearers. Jurgis. What a weird name. Everyone's
got names.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
I did like as well, like there is a bit
of a mix of genres, like there's like a slasher
kind of crime trailer mystery.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
I didn't know where it's going because for the fans,
I didn't know. I've never seen this. I've heard about
this film since I was like probably ten years old.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Oh so this is the first time you saw this?
Yeah yeah, Oh I thought you had already seen this.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Wait eight, So maybe I'm not that that young. Actually,
so I was like seventeen. I weird. I feel like
this movie was a little older. I remember hearing about
this a lot when I was younger, and then like
the Midnight mea train always want to watch it and
remember the cover. So I probably remember like seeing it

(40:04):
at the video store or something like that, maybe Blockbuster.
We actually thought I was a little older, but I
distinctly remember seeing this and and then I never watched it, Like,
I didn't even know that. I was surprised they didn't
do the Clive Barker's Midnight Meat Train on it. Because
they don't. It's not on the cover or anything like that.
I would have maybe been more inclined, like maybe on

(40:27):
some of the later posters. But the posters that I see,
there's one where it says Clive Barker's and most of them.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Just have even on the DVD. It doesn't have a
look on the cover of Davidators the cover that I wonder.
I wonder is that though a conscious thing, looked like going,
don't put my fucking name on this garbage. Yeah, like
he felt quite happy. I think about how this one
turned out overall. The director's caught now, not the theatrical.
He was really annoyed about the theatrical.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
But the hell that I watched on Plex probably the
the theatrical right.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Because there's like all the extended gore scenes. There's more
practical effects and stuff that are into on redded version.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Oh, I wish I watched that version. That would have
been nice.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, because they caught like twenty something minutes. I think, Wow,
that's yeah, and a lot of it is the Gore
and the Kills is what they called it.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
How long is the the because I watched the one
that was like an hour and forty three minutes or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Oh, no, that's probably that's probably it. Then weird because
there was one that went to theaters and it was
like an hour or twenty.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Of course, ted Ramie gets his eyes bashed out, too, right,
It seems like that one. Something's always happening. But yeah,
this is the first time I saw it. But I
I it's so funny. How long that I went knowing
and hearing about this movie, thinking the name sound weird,
thinking oh, I should watch this, And then when you're like, oh,
we're gonna do Midnight Metre, I was like, all right,
finally I'll finally watch this. I've literally been putting this off,

(41:47):
like three years to watch this because I was going
to a long time ago too.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Was I assumed this was in it? Then if that's
the case, because I don't know. I didn't write down
all the differences between the different cuts, but I wrote
down the scene with him pulling out the tee nails eyes.
I thought it was like really horrific, and I thought, yeah,
I thought it was shot really well, and I kind
of had like a weird like eighties vibe.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Chelsea couldn't look at it. She was like, oh no, no, no,
no no, and obviously she's pregnant right now he's even
worse and him yanking it out, but like you're you're
getting rid of the identifiable records, right, that's essentially what
he's doing. So if the bodies were discovered, I'm guessing,
or when we get to who is consuming the bodies,
maybe they didn't. They didn't like the hard pieces, you know.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
That was also like a kind of a bit of
a left turn, like when he gets knocked out after
that part and he wakes up and he's tied up
and there's like something attacking him and like I.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Remember devil, some sort of deep I don't know what
it was. Fuck.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
I was like, that's another element you've added now as well.
I thought we were looking at like some sort of
slasher movie. Now there's like some kind of demon or
something as well, and.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Walking into that because I have my theories.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
You know, I did write down. I thought the Vinnie
Jones was fantastic as Mahogany.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
I don't know who else could have played that, to
be honest, Yeah, who else would have like done it
like he did it where he was just like quiet
and stoic and very like ominous and does look like
a serial killer, you know in.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Some red face he has like face a.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Serial killer is just your average human, right, Like That's
the thing is, like you never know because it could
be anybody. But if you think about like some of
these people, like what's that I'm thinking of a specific one,
but there's there's been some serial killers where they're like
kind of big dudes that have the like overpowering advantage.

(43:41):
It's gonna it's.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Gonna be And I mean, if I was going to
do something like that, I'd want to be somebody like
Vinnie Jones, probably who's like I don't know, like he's
what like, uh, he's probably six foot something.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
I would imagine macarthurth I'm sucking up. I was like,
what's that guy's name? Is gonna bother me? S? Yeah,
I just keep talking. I'll think of it. I do.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Actually, I'll bring this up now. I feel like it's
a perfect time considering we're talking about Viny Jones and
I actually have a kind of funny story so I
met Vinnie Jones.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Did you really isn't he off of Way? Isn't he
off of euro Trip? Yes? And when he's when they're
in the like sing the whatever national anthem and do
you remember that? Have you seen You've seen euro Trip? Right,
And he's like one of the soccer hooligans and they're
all scared of him because he's like they're for he's

(44:38):
forcing him to like sing that song of the Manchester
United whatever. It's like, it's actually a great movie in
his character.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
He's a very he's a very good actor. He's a
very underrated actor. I mean he used to be a
professional soccer player as well.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Really that makes kind of say, that's so fun why
they put him a euro Trip as a soccer hooligan.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
As a football he was. He played for Wilmledon, Leeds United,
Sheffield United, Chelsea and Queens Park Rangers. So for people
over this side or like, those are all quite notable teams.
But yeah, he So he's in Wexford quite a bit,
which is the town I live in, and he's big

(45:20):
into horse racing, dog race and stuff like that, and
so he comes over here and has like relationships with
people have horses and different animals and stuff to go
to races and stuff like that. So he goes and
bets on it and just something he's into. So he
spends like a good bit of time in Wexford. And
there's a hotel where I go to the gym. It's
literally a two minute drive from my house. Yeah, but

(45:43):
we were we were there one time having dinner or something.
It was like some sort of a family dinner and
I was taking a piss in the toilet and I
like just barely like like tip elbows with whoever's next
to me. And then I look over and it's Vinnie
Jones looking at me with that just like stone look.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Like you're peeing with him.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah, like we're pissling at the Ornolds weird and like
but I look when I look right, it was literally
something of a movie. He does that stone cold face
where he just goes like and just look straight at me,
and I'm like, whoa, that's that And he just goes
all right, Matt, and I'm like hello, and I go over.
I'm like washing my hands and I'm like I feel
like I can't I can't realy can I approach him

(46:29):
in the bathroom. But now I can't let him walk
out of here eier though I might never meet him
as a famous person. Yeah, I couldn't help. But I
waited till he was like washing his hands, and I
was like, you're Vinnie Johnes right, and was like so
I'm told, and I'm like wow, and like, dude, this
was a long time ago, so I don't even know
if I had like a fucking camera phone running. Yeah,

(46:51):
and I'm like, uh, and we Ireland wasn't in Europe
at the time. We were in pounds, we were in
Irish pounds. So I'm like, I'm like, what the fuck
can I And I'm like, oh, I have to get
your signature. So I take out a five pound note
and he signs the five pound note in the toilet.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
That's funny, that's yes, so weird. I would have been like, Yo,
what the fuck, that's awesome, Like.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
It was so weird because like when I looked at him,
and like he looked he's a super nice guy, but
like obviously he has that look. Yeah, but like his
face always kind of looks quite like You're like, well,
this dude's going to kill me. And that's why I
was like should. I I was like, is I don't
know what he's like in real life? So like if
I ask him, like are you Vnnie John's, is he
gonna like smash my head through the mirror and like

(47:32):
kick the head off me? Because there's did you ever
see the videos of him, like a dude tries to
fight him in a bar?

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Really? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, and he like tries to punch that off him.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
I don't know, Yes, I supposedly like he doesn't take
no ship off people.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
I probably wouldn't, right, He's a very big dude. And
if you yeah, so that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
He's a good actor though, he's a very good actor.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
That's gonna bug me. I keep looking.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
I'm surprised he hasn't been in more horror movies, to be.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Honest, Yeah, because he could play that character. It's funny
when he is, like he's done comedy whos and then
mostly obviously like a lot of like serious rot gangster
stuff because that's what he kind of looks like, right.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
And he was like notoriously violent as well when he
used to play soccer.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Oh that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Oh yeah, no, dude, he would do like these crazy
tackles and like try and break people's legs and stuff.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Oh man, I'm still looking for that specific serial killer whatever.
I don't there's so many zero kills that would come.
When I was going through this list, I was like, wow, yeah, weird.
It's just like, you know, it's just formiliar, like it's
just cool, like how oh yeah, well that does not
look fun with that lag.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yeah, I know, right. The dude is just like he
was manic when he was a soccer.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
That guy's balls look that black and white one.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
On.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Yeah, it doesn't care.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Just like the first thing I told him when I
got near him that I wouldn't be playing any football
and neither would he. Weird, he grabbed his nuts, He's definitely.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Grab he a little kid.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
What the fuck is that?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Oh yeah, he was notorious for that, man weird.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Then he became an actor.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, like he was notorious.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Like people so like fucking drop kick that guy.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Like they would call it, like when you know when
somebody's marking you, so like if I'm a midfielder and
you're a midfielder, you're American my position or whatever. Yeah,
And like I've seen so many interviews over the years
with dudes who were like they go out on the
pitch and then they realized that they're like matched up
with Vinie and they're like, oh fucking hell, we're not
even going to play fucking soccer. He's just yeah, he's
literally going to kick me in the head with studs.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
That's so funny, weird. There's one picture where he looks
like he's kicking a kid like a child. Weird.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Scary dude though, the grab that.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Guy's nuts ship to me is that from Lockstuck? What
move is that from?

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (50:00):
I can't remember lock Stock.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
I think yeah, because he's in a couple of movies
like that, right.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I love Lockstock to Smoker Barrels. I think it's that
one of the other one that's so weird. They grabbed
that guy's nuts. I'm not gonna like a girl guy's face.
He looks pissed, and the guy's.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Like, oh, that would be awful though, right.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
There's no way he could shoot those shotguns off in
his hands like he has them in that movie. Ah,
not at all, especially a double barrel. I think they
where There's no way your fucking wrist.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Would even I'm actually working on trying to get any
on the show by the.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Way, Oh, that'd be awesome. You gotta keep pushing because
there's definitely some people I would like to talk to you,
I would talk to him. That'd be fine. I jump
on for some of those ones. If people actually know
some of the writers and directors, that obviously other people
be very interested. I'm like, I don't know them. You know,
I'm not like a horror I'm not. I'm not a
completely horr nerd like you, but I am a nerd.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
But when I was talking ear you're about to release
and like all the shit that went wrong with this movie,
so on on Detract live and and the director they
talk about what happened. So there was pretty much no advertising,
none whatsoever, Like nothing, no advertising at all. They had
no website for the movie. The closest showing to like

(51:15):
Central Los Angeles, it was seventy miles away.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Weird, they really want that, I really wanted to suppress
this film.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
That's fine, I know, right, And then the closest showing
to New York City was a three and a half
hour drive to the closest theater to New York City.
So it was like he literally just picked places and went,
where's the furthest most like desolate areas like fight in
the movie theater.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
I really wonder how well it would do if he
didn't do that, Like if they put in theaters, I'm
sure they would have gotten audience because people be like, yo, like,
you know, if I was even that eight, like so whatever,
this came out when I was seventeen. You know, if
I was at the theaters and I saw the poster,
I'd be like, Yo, that looks sick. I gotta go
see that. No wonder why I didn't hear about it
until it was on like DVD.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
I think it really well on DVD as well. Those
the only thing so they were kind of they were
talking about that. They were like, it done really, really
really well on DVD.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
I wonder if they would have got money from the
theatrical releases too, if it would have helped, because that's
not really fair.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
I hate when they do that because they basically got
fucking nothing. Clive said that the executive that I mentioned before,
Joseph Drake. He eventually called Clive back and said, sorry,
my friend, the movie just doesn't work at all for me.
We can't get a good trader from any of the footage.
You guys shot, it's just not going to happen. Just

(52:33):
forget about it, and that's it. Move on. And then
the director comes on and says, well, funny you found
that out, Clive, because I was told absolutely nothing as
far as I knew. When I finished shooting. We were
getting a huge theatrical release, we were getting a website,
we were getting merchandise, we were getting advertised, we were
getting everything. And then the day the movie comes out
is when he found out that it was in one

(52:54):
hundred teters.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Dogar guy got a beef with Clive or something like
maybe that's it.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
I don't know. He must have been just like a dick.
And then that's when Clive says, you know, I do
want to direct a lot of my own projects, but
I just don't do it anymore because the studio interference
has just been crazy. And when I write my own
stories and paint my own paintings, it's the only way
that I have full control, which is a fair point.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
That's so crazy, man, I'd be fucking pissed. That's not
really fair. Wow, that's as sad because it could have
done a way better.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
You know, I did like the shot, you know when
Leon has his his photo exhibit or whatever, and remember
he goes up and I actually I.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Was looking eyes or whatever.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, but I was looking at that photo of Annie Johnson.
I was like, fuck, man, that'd be such a cool
photo to have because it looks so scary looking. I'm like,
that's actually quite a cool But I did like that part.
It was kind of weird how like, you know, he's
like looking at the image but then it nearly feels
real and.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Staring back at you.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Yeah, that was actually a good shot.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah. Clive had written this as a trilogy and he
expanded the lower and he was going to explain how
deep the conspiracy truly went.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Sounds like he knows something that.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Now here's something. Another thing that I had a gripe
with the scene when Leon gets ready to fight Mahogany
on the train, So I didn't you know, he's like
putting on the shit and all these like it just
felt a bit like something like out the A Team.
I was like, this is a bit comical. What I
didn't what I didn't realize was right, And this is

(54:33):
going to kind of spoil because we're getting towards like
the ending parts. This will kind of spoil in a
way about so the whole idea of that, right, I
was like, that's kind of like for a want a
better term, I was like, fucking gay looking like that
he's putting on this shit and he's like, yeah, I'm
gonna go fight him on the train with my tools.
What was kind of supposed to be happening there is
inadvertently you were supposed to see his slow descent into

(54:58):
becoming Mahogany's successor without even realizing he was putting the
ship on and didn't realize that like, oh, I'm already
like assuming this role basically.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Psychically, they're already controlling him, maybe because even when he
started to snap pictures of them, it is weird. It's like,
you know, it's almost like this like a theorical type
like I'm trying to think of the word I want
to use, but like how it's like it's kind of
like like a haunting. Actually there's a word I'm looking for.
But like he snaps the picture and then it almost

(55:30):
it almost kind of looks like he's connected to him now,
like they were kind of explaining Yeah, but psychically, man,
that's the word I want. They're there. He's kind of
in that world now right where he's he's breaking He's
broken the threshold between our reality and then the reality
of this underground of these like creatures that we'll get

(55:53):
to or whatever. It is interesting because then it's kind
of like we only see the physical world. But even
Chelsea was like, oh, the weird Like she was putting
pieces together before I was about the weird train conductor
and how he allowed it to happen, and they're all
kind of connected, and it's almost like he broke that
threshold of like this reality and then the reality they

(56:16):
exist in that are supposed to kind of stay hidden,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Mm hmm, Yeah. I think there was a lot of
from listening to them talk like, there was obviously way
deeper meanings, but it's just it probably didn't really come
across that well, yeah, if you know what I mean,
Like from the page to like and this is what
life was talking about. It's like it's one thing to
write a story and have all the stuff that like
you feel should be part of it or you want

(56:41):
it to be part of us, and then it's like,
you know when so many people get involved in them
and goes, yeah, but maybe we should do this, maybe
we should do that, and then eventually it's like, oh,
so this is not my story anymore, and this is
just some other fucking thing.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
It's garbage. I hate how they do that. Hollywood man
make money, get their shekels, and get the fuck out
of there as long as they're can. Yeah, and then
it doesn't matter if it even does well, as long
as they've made their money back and stuff and artist
art was dying. It's starting to slowly come back. But
what he actually I.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Wrote this down and it has nothing to really do
with ending, but I was like, you know what, I
kind of want to meet a chick like fucking Maya
like she would she would literally do anning for him.
She puts up with all his bullshit for the whole movie,
and then she's like, yeah, I'm going to like go
to this place and get on this train and ill
like follow them. I'm like, wow, It's like I can't

(57:36):
even get a fucking text back.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
I know that's a real woman, you know, that's what
you want. You want that is going to like, you know,
die for you, essentially the same way that you should
want to die for.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
What was it the way Clive put it was like
you want the woman who will follow you into the
depths of hell and something. He put it actually like
it sounded like a poem. I was like, wow, that's true.
But that's why you're a Clivee Parker.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
That's kind of it's kind of what you want to
look for. You don't want to look for, like, oh, no,
you did one thing wrong. Now I'm onto the next guy.
And only fans or whatever, not only fans.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right though, yeah, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Though I can't even I don't even know what it's called.
Whatever you swipe, you know.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
The way Tom Tom has them all on his son. Really,
I did like when she discovers all the bodies hanging
in the train and that like white angle shot and
like then you see like it goes to like the
tools and his tool bag and the naked chicken. He's
like just how he seems like he's just at work.
It's very like just clinical to him. He's not really

(58:37):
like he doesn't make any faces. He's not he's just
stone face. He's like, oh, I'm just doing a job.
I thought that was a really good scene.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Yeah, and some of the gross body scenes, especially during
the fight scene, you know, when they're like they battle
or whatever, like some of that's actually a really good Yeah,
it was pretty gnarly. And the sounds that they like,
the hits and stuff like that, get they did. Whoever

(59:04):
does that, whoever did the sound effects did a pretty
good job. I like the sound of meat hitting when
they were like slicing up the bodies because they were
all like they're hitting against them and stuff like that.
And then good old the fucking Jurgen's cream is get
gets sliced up and he's like, you think he's gonna survive?

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah, that's pretty grim. That was pretty grim. I'm actually, uh,
you know, like they're hacking the bodies up, the cord blood,
they're like the way the cameras like moving around the
train car kind of And I did say when the
knife stabs into Jargis and he essentially gets golded white
hanging upside down, I thought that was cool touch.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Ye actually, oh shit, going to save him and now
he's gone.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Forever, you know. And then we're kind of getting into
a lot of the stuff that you probably want to
talk about as well. When when the train stops and
the creatures enter, it had me rethinking what is happening.
The creature design I felt like was great on these
two and how they were list the idea of the
creatures feeding on the bodies, pulling the legs off and
the body's hanging on the meat hooks. Yeah, you know

(01:00:04):
that scene where they pull on the body and like
you see where the hook the hook is kind of
going through like the heel and it just like starts
to tear. I was like, wow, that's fucking horrific.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Yeah, it's definitely pointing towards the idea of the reptilians,
Like they literally look like reptilian creatures, same kind of jaw,
Like Foreshore, they're diving into a conspiracy, like the I
don't know, like in my conspiracy mind, it's like I

(01:00:40):
think these people get even like cly someone like Clive Barker,
you know, is he is he are these thoughts coming
from his head right? Or is something dropping them in
his head? Yeah? People might not understand that if you've
never listened to my show, but like, is that what's
happening is is these thoughts being dropped in his head
by something beyond our reality? Because that whole thing is

(01:01:04):
supposed to be a very real conspiracy theory about why
so many children go missing a year, and there was
there's theories about that that. Okay, there was. I start
getting into the alien aspect of things and diving pretty
deep into the reptilians. And if you're not aware of
who like David Iiki is, you should probably go listen
to his talks because it's still fascinating even if maybe

(01:01:24):
it's not true, it's still pretty fascinating. And this kind
of idea that there is some sort of ancient reptilian
type creatures that either physically exist here or they exist
in an alternate dimension that we just can't see, that
are feeding off our energy. That's just one theory, right,
but there's been theory of going down that UFO in

(01:01:46):
gray alien and reptilian rabbit hole. This idea I've heard
from people that supposedly were in the military that there
is underground bases dumbs that this is what they call them,
and deep underground bases, and that there is some sort
of reptilian creatures like you have the Dulcy Bass and
they're actually feeding them in the underground and then that's

(01:02:08):
why all these children go missing, because they want a
certain type of pubescent child because it's a pure energy source.
And then they do things like what people classify adrenochrome
is and stuff like that, and like we'll be covering
on my show eventually where I do think you can
think this is all conspiracy theory and jargon or whatever,
but uh, there is a lot of things that point

(01:02:29):
like the Wier laptop supposed to be was real. Why
did sixteen cops mysteriously die at the hands of Hillary Clinton?
And then I've seen the images from the Wier laptop.
I've literally seen them where it looks like a young
girl is missing her face. And then guess what it
connects to Tom Hanks and Castaway and Ellen and all
these things because the the you know, Wilson Will said,

(01:02:52):
you know, that's supposed to be the look of a
face that has been torn off. And conveniently, Ellen also
is on a video when she has a sw wether
that has that exact same like that face on it,
and there's been other videos. So this idea of being
drip fed into our head about the fact that there
is maybe some sort of creatures in the underground that

(01:03:12):
are feeding on human beings and that's why all these
people go missing, and yes, it could be sex trafficking
and all sorts of things, right, but the ad read
through rate of the amount of children that go missing
should disturb a lot more people than it does. Most
peop are living their everyday life not thinking about it.
We covered this recently on like our The Dark Side
of Hollywood episode is like, it is more prevalent than

(01:03:35):
people understand, and most people in the world that we
exist and don't want to look at that stuff because
it frightens them that, wow, this is actually going on,
and maybe the governments or something like that are facilitating
it or at least know about it because they must.
Then life gets a little more scary. It becomes like
a horror movie, and most people don't want to look

(01:03:55):
at that. They want to look at the fake thing
on a screen. Right. But sorry for my little ramt,
But like it is the ties to this, you know
what I mean? When I saw that, I was like,
of course, of course this leads back to this whole
idea of like the reptilians, and I'm like, that makes
kind of sense. I feel like Clive Barker was either
looking into conspiracy theories or heard about something to do

(01:04:15):
with this, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Was I was just gonna say, like he doesn't mention
anything obviously, like both.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Absolutely must Why are they reptilian looking creatures?

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Why is it very.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
You know what I mean, it's very convenient when you
bring it up like that. It is actually quite convenient
to the of course they're that yeah, it's it's and
it's that closely kind of tied in a way.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
That weird though when I saw it, I was like, hmmm,
kind of makes sense. And they had to feed them
or they'll come out of the underground, you know what
I mean, Like it's there. There's legitimate conspiracy theories, and
you have people like Phil Schneider who was a military
personnel and his father was in the military and he
died mysteriously of a heart attack at a weird random time,

(01:05:01):
just like you know, we got William Cooper and some
of these other characters, and he supposedly went to underground base,
was very credible, how it was sane, and said that
he saw creatures and they killed one of his friends
and the military. I think the military didn't know, but
the government knew that they were. What they were digging
on onto was like they're all were creating these underground
bases for the military, but they were actually digging into

(01:05:22):
an alien underground base and there was creatures down there
that he saw that like psychically like shot his friend
with this laser beam thing and he was missing fingers
because one of them hit his hand and like stuff
like that. Like you cannot people cannot believe it. But
there's been a lot of people on this earth that
have had weird experiences like that. So if you're interested
by that strangely podcast, but I don't know the uptill

(01:05:45):
anything was Like I was like, of course, man, that's
a weird connection that. You know, if at some point
we could cover this on my show, because there is
this if we wanted to at some point go towards
breaking down symbolism movies, I bet you I could find
a time to do with this movie of the occult
kind of symbolism and rituals and stuff like that that

(01:06:06):
they do throughout Hollywood. You know, a little a little
what they call that we go look a little tinfoil hattie.
But you know, it's quite possible.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
You know, I did right tong as well. Actually that
the final battle between them I thought was really gory
and quite good. And I did like the way then
he had one line and just said welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Yeah, finally he talks and they cut out his tongue,
so he's I guess, like you're a servant of these creatures.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
When it seems like it's over, the train driver appears,
rips out his tongue, explains the backstory of what was
truly going on here, stabbing mya and ripping out her
beating heart, telling Leon now serve as we all do
without question. Yeah, I thought was kind of another cool touch.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
The conductor as his as she would be called, the
character was pretty good and like kind of like creepy
and just like eating mysterious, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
And then I did like, actually that tie back so
like at the very end, and it shows us that
the open kill at the very start of the movie
was actually Leon all along. Yeah, and then he turns
and faces the camera and has a really cool soundtrack,
a really cool song that comes on. So that was supposed
to be the whole point. That clip you see at the
start was actually him doing his first kill, which is

(01:07:36):
why it was supposed to be so sloppy and whatever. Yeah,
Clive and and the director said that they were really
proud of the movie, and they were more thankful for
the horror community afterwards supporting it because like all that
other shit that went on with it. They were like,
if we didn't have the horror community, like nobody would
have ever even heard of this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Like ever, which is disappointing, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Yeah. Like I said that the special features on the
DVD were good as well. There was that thing about
Clive Barker was just inside his house his painting studio.
I thought that was quite fascinating and interesting. There's a
feature right on Mahogany's character. You have the prop master
talking about his weapons and like the design of the
bag and all that stuff, Like they really taught out
a lot of stuff that didn't really come across on screen.

(01:08:24):
Then they have the anatomy of a murder scene, which
is ted Raimi's death, and there's like interviews with him,
and then they have like the the director, the screenwriter
and stuff, and they're just like general kind of behind
the scenes stuff. Man I did also write down as
well that the soundtrack for this movie is really good.
If you haven't listened to it, it's actually like a
really I do you have.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Carpel title, Man, I have like pretty bad carple title
like at times, and like you write out all your
notes where I did at the beginning of Strange.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Print, I print of stuff right, and then I have
blank pages and as I'm watching it, I'm like trying
to scribble down. But I definitely I suffer big time.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Yeah with that, So I can't do that anymore. At
the beginning of Strange Brew, I would write in a
notebook and I would like look up like mysteries and
write it. And it was just like the sloppy writing
when we're like, you know, and then we're drinking talking
about it, I'm like, I can't do this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
But like there's sometimes when I'm trying to read this
that I can't read it back because I'm like it's
hardened me. So I'm literally just going like it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Dude, you should like when I was doing like you know,
when I like, I've been doing music for a long time,
but a lot of the songs, especially years ago, I
wrote when I was drunk, because like when I when
I'm drinking, I don't know, like it can it sounds weird,
but if I find that good medium. A lot of
artists can like you can't be too drunk, you gotta
be buzzed. Me and Billy have done it where we
would do freestyles. I could actually be better at freestyling

(01:09:46):
and like having things come up top of my head
when I'm just a little buzzed, not too drunk, but
not too sober. So I wrote a lot of my
songs like intoxicated or close to it, and even I
wrote one I had a couple beers last night because
I'm like, this is coming to the end of the
road of me being able to do that. And I
finished the song and I actually really like it. But
a lot of those, like beginning songs I was doing,

(01:10:09):
it was just scribbled on the page and I have
to like try to like, Okay, this is what I
was writing, because it's just so like I can read
my own writing, because I was so used to writing
like that and having to read it back for doing
like music. But if I gave that book to anybody else,
they would not be able to read it. And it's
interesting that like when I was I dropped that at school,

(01:10:29):
started working and then went back to finish. I actually
applied myself and did fairly well, but it was funny
that one of the buddies there was me and this
dude to Miko, and he was he was a hip
hop artist too, a little more like Gangstraby's Black and Shit,
and so I was a little more like conscious rap
whatever they call that. And the teacher was like talking

(01:10:51):
about how me and his writing were difficult to read,
and my buddy Lee was like, it's hilarious that that
both of them are and you can't read the writing.
It's like typical, right, but like it's so funny to
see like some of my old books or I'm like,
how the fuck did I even read this?

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
I know, That's how I feel like I i'd say
if I was to look because I keep all the
notes just in like a like a folder thing, and
I'm like, maybe in years to on my look back
on them and like be able to remember things and
be like, oh I remember that, And I'm like, I
don't even know if I'll be able to read that
ship in like ten years.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
It was so funny, like are kids reading Like what
the fuck was wrong with them? You know that? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Because I was thinking about this and I was like yeah,
and I'm there going like my kid will probably look
at that goal you read her.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Are you mentally sound right now? Like you know, maybe
horror movies don't even exist. Maybe we live in a
totally different world. Were things under a digital lockdown? You have?
Just like, look at these notes about these things we
used to watch called horror movies.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
I seen something today actually before we before we finish
this episode, just like talking about what you're talking about,
like a digital prison kind of thing. I remember where
it was, but I seen something. I don't know if
I was on TikTok or somewhere. It was obviously just
like a not an AI clip, but like some fake thing.
But it was like some woman who gets on like
the like the subway or something she must have to

(01:12:11):
take the train to work every day, is like the
premise of this advertisement or whatever it was supposed to be.
And she's like it kind of is like an infomercial thing.
She's like, oh, I used to hate my two hour
daily train commute to work every day, but now with
my fucking I don't know what she called it, she
was like, now with my fucking whatever, I just plug
it into my head and I love my two hour journey.

(01:12:31):
And she puts this thing on the side of her head, right,
and her eyes just like glades over and turn white.
And she's just like sitting on the train like this,
and like I'm assuming there's like obviously something going on
in her brain, like she thinks she's doing something else.
And then when it turns off, like she's at her
destination and it pans out and like everybody else on
the train is also going and like like that, and

(01:12:53):
I'm like, wow, that's fucking scary.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Look at like sever it like I'm dying. So if
you ever want to talk about that stuff, like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Oh yeah, I'm already finished.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
There's a lot of cult symbolism and that stuff accult similar.
It's weird, man, is that where we're like headed? You know?
That's I'm like, all these things were stepping stones for
where we're going, but that's for my show. So I
enjoyed this, like it was fun to do. We have
a lot of ideas. We need to finish up some
of the stuff that I already watched because it's gonna
fly out of my head with the amount of research

(01:13:21):
that we do. So but this was I, you know,
out of ten meat hooks, I'll give it like a
good like seven point five.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Yeah, I think that's a fairly I was going to
say around to seven. I think it's a fairly uh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
Yeah, six point five seven, Like you know, based on
like how often you watch it or whatever, but like, uh,
it's it's kind of like a kind of artsy movie
in my opinion, you know, it's kind of like that,
like worse.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
But yeah, it wasn't the worst. But yeah, if you
did enjoy to everybody, make sure to always leave a
like rate, follow share anything like that. It helps us
more than you can imagine. Yeah, and you can check
out all my stuff on classharrorcast dot com or find
me on Class horror Cast. On Instagram is probably where
I'm most active on social media, And like Tom said,

(01:14:10):
I follow about our rumblets more so mine because for
some reason people just don't like to follow me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Well we're getting we talk about controversial stuff online. That's
where our our one episode that we did has gotten
has done very well. There's some very controversial topics that
we've covered that people are like really enjoying on there.
So that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
I have to this point, I have made two cent
on rumble that's quite good.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Yeah, it's fine. I've only made like forty year bucks
or something like that. And let's sit there. You know,
that's why I gotta support the show is because you realize,
like this, this costs us to make and produce and
stuff like that more than you think it does. A
lot of people like, oh, they're just like recording and
now it's you have to spend money to do these things.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Yep, be sure to do.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
And I can't be monetized on fucking YouTube because it's
dangerous and common controversial according to them. Fuck yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
I won't say that, Tom, just nice people. I haven't
been banged jest.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Yeah, I haven't been compared to the stuff that I
don't crossing fingers, all the stuff that we've covered, I'm
surprised what they've allowed. But you know, let's just keep
it that at least they're keeping it up too much.
At least keeping it up. Thank you YouTube for being
so fucking censored.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Thank you YouTube for being so great. We love YouTube
so much. YouTube. Do not demanetize my channel or my videos. Please,
I love you so much. Yes, please us, Please help me.
I can't afford to run the show anymore. Please help me.
But yeah, we appreciate everybody. We hope you enjoyed this episode.
Let us know if you've seen the movie, what you

(01:15:45):
thought about it, and if you have any suggestions for
future episodes, we would love to hear them as well.
And yeah, we'll see everybody real soon in the next one. Peace.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Thanks for listening to another episode of Class Horrorcast. Stop
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