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June 18, 2025 140 mins
In this intense episode, Aran and Tom sink their teeth into the gritty, blood-soaked world of 28 Days Later and 28 Weeks Later.

From the franchise’s groundbreaking origins to its lasting influence on modern horror, we break down unforgettable scenes, explore the terrifying science behind rage-infected "zombies," and unpack the infection lore that made these films legendary.

Expect insider trivia, behind-the-scenes revelations, and a look at real-life virus outbreaks that eerily parallel the fictional chaos. We share our own thoughts on the emotional and visual impact of both films — and where they stand in horror history two decades later.

Plus, we build toward what’s next: the long-awaited 28 Years Later directed by the returning legends Danny Boyle and Alex Garland (Writer), the already-shot sequel The Bone Temple, and speculation on a potential third chapter featuring the return of Cillian Murphy’s Jim.

Where has he been? What might he face?

Strap in — the sirens are wailing, the streets are empty, and rage is about to be unleashed.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You can run, but you can't guide from the class
hard cast haunting you from the Emerald Ile, your host
Aaron Doyle takes you on a journey to the depths
of horror with exclusive interviews, horror news, reviews, and more. Tickets.
Please you were about you uner the Theater of the Man.

(00:22):
Enjoy the show.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
The Raid, Gyrus, empty streets, a world collapsing in real time.
Today we're diving into one of the most influential and
haunting horror EPs of the two thousands, twenty eight days
later and its brutal follow up twenty eight weeks later.
From the terrifying speed of the Infected to the emotional
gut punches that hit just as hard as the gore,
these films have redefined the genre and I'm not facing

(00:47):
the apocalypse alone. Joining me, as always is the man
who would absolutely probably abandon me if I twisted my ankle. Tom,
why don't introduce yourself?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
I am Tom kat Ak, Tom Thompson, the Raptilian. I
am the host and creator of Strange Brew Podcast. I'm
also a controversial, outspoken hip hop artist. So yeah, welcome
back to the show. I think you I think you
would be wrong. I think I probably I probably would
have risked my life to save you and we both died.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
That's probably what would happen.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Actually, do you know what I was thinking about this
as I was rewatching these movies, and I was like,
you know what, I'd probably be dumb enough to think
that I could like be the hero and end up
getting everybody killed.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Well, we'll see when we talk about the twenty eight
weeks later. My wife had stuff to say because she
was like, look pretty much, why well so many times
like well why why would you?

Speaker 4 (01:38):
You know, Well, we'll get to that when we get
to that, but.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
You need to record her sometime and we'll like put
an overlay on it so it sounds like she's like
calling in on a phone, like old school Howard Starn.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah why why Like yeah, because it's just funny, because
you know she'll give her straight up opinion about certain things,
that's for sure, you know. But it was enjoyed watching both.
We both like Killian Murphy, you know, because we both liked.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Peaky Blinders, right waiting for Aaron's sound effects.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, I was sorry. The reason I have the applause
there for people who don't get it is so many
people pronounce the name Cillian.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
That's what I do.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, But you know it is interesting, right because like
I think on strange who we should cover zombies at
some point. Again, me and Billy did like essentially talk
about the zombie apocalypse back when we never did videos
on audio, right, and this idea of like how.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Could it happen? You know, in what ways? How would
you survive?

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Like there's so many different different attributes to how you
would survive a zombie apocalypse and it all depends on
actually really a lot of times, like where the virus
come from and how like it came from and how
it formed, and like what are they are they? You know,
are they like these zombies where they're fast or the
Georgia Ramiro slow zombies. You know, it's like there's all

(02:57):
these different questions of what what kind of zombie were
talking about.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Before we get into that. Actually, I'm just going to
get some of the formalities out of the way from
people who don't know. So we're starting obviously with twenty
eight days later, so just to give people a little
bit of background. Now, there will be spoilers in this regardless,
but it's just to kind of set the scene. I
guess for everybody. So this is the plot I suppose
we're following. So it has been twenty eight days since Jim,

(03:24):
a young bicycle courier, was knocked off his bike and injured.
When he wakes up from his coma, the world has changed.
London has deserted, litters strown and grim, and the entire
world seems to have vanished. The truth, however, is even
more horrifying. A devastating psychological virus has been unleashed, turning
everyone exposed into a blood crazed psycho, driven only to

(03:44):
kill and destroy all the uninfected. A bitter struggle to
get out of the city with fellow survivors to a
military encampment in Manchester follows, but once here, their troubles
are just beginning.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, it's funny, some people might like this kind of
sounds like the Left, like a psychological virus that destroys
everything in its way, and anyone that is not infected
by the virus must be destroyed.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
You know, I never picked up on that, I don't
think before when I was a psycholological it was more like, yeah, yeah,
like I've watched these lost both of these movies, and
I don't know why it never like dawned. I mean
I was like, wait a second, it's actually not like
like it's not like something they get infected by, and
like they started like you know, rotten away and stuff.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
It goes right to their brain.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
They Like I said, even the second one shows it
more I think in depth of like how it like
instantly just goes and then all of a sudden you're
in like a crazed mode of like a visceral like
zombie like creature.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
But it is interesting.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Do you remember like the first time you watched this, because,
like I one thing that was stuck on obviously is
that that clip of him on the bridge where it's empty,
which I guess they tried to film it where it
was completely empty, but they only had like two hours
or something like that. And uh, there's if you pay
attention very closely, they probably edited out now. But I'm
sure on the VHS you can probably catch like cars

(05:10):
and stuff like that that weren't kind of supposed to
be in the background that we're moving, because I guess
the police were trying to really okay, they had two
hours to redirecting traffic and all that stuff, But it
is interesting because I remember the music stood out to me.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Uh you know, I'll I remember watching this fairly young.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I kind of remember when it did come out and
probably watching it, you know that Austin Kid or some
some one of my friends and then you know where
it was. I maybe have seen this maybe like five times,
four times, like not that often. The second one definitely not.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I've seen this way too much. Also, actually, one of
the few DVDs that I don't have a copy of
was the first one, and you.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Should probably get it before it's yea constant.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, so upon looking it's like pretty much out of
print ever, and that's like really hard to guys, Like
I've seen DVD copies for hundred and twenty five dollars.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah, so I saw that. I hurt about that. You
couldn't really find it anywhere. How did we watch it?
We needed to rent it on something.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
But you can get it on some of the streamers,
and like I know it's on like PlayStation ship. But
apparently like physical copies, if you ever come across one
in the world, it's like a really good thing to
pick up.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
I probably could find it at some at some vintage
antique store and I'm surprised I didn't clewe in right
until we started looking at it. We're weird, like can
weirdly actually strangely, where's my wife?

Speaker 4 (06:31):
That kind of pointed that. She's like, yeah, I don't
know if you can get it, like buy it or whatever.
And I was like, weird, like physical copy.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
But I feel like I want to be on the
hunt for dot know, just in case, because it's like
we always say about it could tie you into the
potential end of the world that we won't have movies
if they just take them off the streaming platforms.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
I know, well Klaus Schwab or whoever. I guess someone's
taken over for him. But they'll tell you what you
can watch, you know. And Aaron's like, no way, I
got me DVDs.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, I'll be sitting up with like Pirate Radio. Yeah.
Like you mentioned about the scenes being shot in London
where it looks barren and there's nobody there. So the
Danny Boyle credits all of this to it was shot
before nine to eleven, and he talks about it in
the commentary. He's like, yeah, we probably would have never

(07:20):
been able to make this movie the way we did
if it had been post nine to eleven. Yeah, yeah,
those scenes in particular. I know there's certain scenes. We'll
get to it in a couple of minutes, but there's
a scene where the Brendan Gleason character and his daughter
bring Jim and Selena up to their apartment. They were
shooting that scene I think on nine to eleven.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah, there were the scene when Jim and Selena celebrate
with Frank and Hannah. This film on September eleven, two
thousand and one, a Wish director do any boil Boil
found strangely. Yeah, it was just strange and that this
is a whole scene and how creepy it was.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, interest he talks about that. He's like, it was
weird to have to like film like a little celebration
kind of set in an apocalypse while outside, from what
we were hearing, it seemed like the world was ending
because of all these attacks and like you know, you'd
never seen anything on that scale before, and nobody really
knew what was happening, and there was talking about London
being next and all this shit, and like they're in

(08:18):
London filming.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Of course, look at the dancing Israel is everybody So
the film was shot in order of the script, which
is very rare, but I think that's kind of cool
because it was able for people to keep in character
especially and be like connected to the story more than
where it's like, Okay, we're shooting the ending. Now we're

(08:40):
shooting the beginning. Okay, now we're shooting almost the ending,
like you know what I mean. Okay, now we're back
to the beginning again, and there's like a shot by shot.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Of all these different scenes.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
I'm sure as an actor would be hard to stay
in character on character, but in like hey, where are
we in the film right now, and trying to like
you know, have a residency with the emotions of that
time of the film.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Where I feel like it.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Would be like if I were to shoot a film,
I know it would be hard or whatever, but I
would like to try.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
I would try to do it like in order.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, the whole time, I was like, I feel like,
especially if you were shooting on like super low budget,
like indeed, surely it would make more sense to try
and do it linear.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Yeah, because people like you're, especially the actors and stuff
like that, especially, they're like, you know, like you just
be honest, like low budget like you know, just your
friends or people you know or whatever, and it make
more sense because then they would be kind of more
tied and in focus of where the story is headed
and where they are in the current filming, right, So
I thought I was cool if they do that with

(09:42):
like minimal reshoots or pickups, which was kind of a
lot of films don't do that, but I'm sure that
it probably helped to some extent, especially being this little budget.
So a lot of the you know that church scene
right where they have like all the bodies, they were
like a lot of the actors like paid nothing.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah. I think they gave him like a comptee or something. Yeah,
something like that was like coffee and tea and which look,
I mean that would probably be a cool bit of
claim to fame now, Like I don't be able to
tell people, Oh yeah, I was like an extra and
that's seeing him whatever.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
You know, I peed next to what's the same?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah pretty much. No, I didn't get a chance. I'd
say he probably had a hammer on him. And that's
what I just when I when I see his face,
I was like, weird. I'll just stare at the wall.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
So for people that.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Don't we're talking about Midnight Meat Train when Annie Jones
Aaron Aaron met him in a wash, just like, do.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
You know what's wild? That's not the first time that's
happened to me. That's that was the first time, but but,
but it's happened a second time. With Lee Cronan, who
directed Evil Dead Rights. He's an Irish guy and I
went to the Irish premiere and I'm pissing and then
I looked to my right or left or whatever, and
he's pissing next to me, and I'm like, I can't

(11:02):
say hello right now, really kind, So I waited. I
was like washing my hands, and I could tell that
he was looking at me. Yeah, and not because he
was like, oh my god, it's Aaron. I can't believe it.
I think it was more he was waiting for me
movie to look at him so he could ask what
did you think? Yeah, and like we walk outside and
he was like, oh, did you see the movie and
I was like yeah, yeah. He was like I just

(11:23):
think I was like enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Now.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
In my head there was a glaring shoe that I
was like, please get that out of the movie. But
I was like, yeah, I enjoyed it, like the Gore
was fun, and the scars.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
And you do the Harald and Kumar Nice Pubes, you know,
like that's where our favorite sees.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
That entire movie is.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Wait, Jamie is like standing next to him and he's
like he just goes to pe in the middle of
the jungle and Jame's like, nice pubes.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
And the guy's like, what are you doing here? It's
like he's just your bush. You're the king of the forest.
He's like, why was this being here by myself? And then.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
I haven't seen that in so long. The movie was
released on November first, two thousand and two, on a
budget of eight million dollars box office return of eighty
four million, runtime of one hour fifty three minutes. Written
by Alex Garland, who also wrote the novel The Beach,
which was then turned into the movie with DiCaprio called

(12:17):
The Beach, which was also directed by Danny Boyle.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
I haven't seen that so long.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
I remember such a good movie. Yea, I love that movie. Yeah.
I was thinking about what'sn't that to night? Actually?

Speaker 4 (12:26):
From me off weird, Probably that'd be a movie I
could probably convince the wife to.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, I'm sure, she'd probably like that. Yeah, that's a
decent movie, Alex. Alex Garland also wrote the twenty twelve
Dread movie the twenty twenty two movie That I Love Men,
but that weird in England. Yeah, that's gonna be That's
gonna be taken out of context, isn't it. What the

(12:51):
hell war? Oh dude, I think you dig that. I
don't know. I don't even know how to explain it,
even though this has nothing to do with this episode.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Bring it up.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
It's like Harper retreats to the countryside to be alone
in the wake of a tragedy, but her unease at
the town's leering and uncannily similar men grows into a
fully fledged nightmare as her arrival awakens something primal in
the forest.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Okay, I'll check it out.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
So like she gets there after something happens with her partner,
and all the dudes in the town seem to all
look the same, like the face, like the priests, and
like the cop and no, and yeah, it's weird. There's
like weird, Like it's like.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
A kind of folk creepy cult, like you know, like
everyone's wearing those black suits and ties and you can't
really and they all have the black home over here.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
You can't help this is even weirder say it. Most
recently he done that Civil War MO and.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
I didn't watch that. I don't want to participate in there.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's just okay, it's whatever. And then he
has a movie with a minute called Warfare, which is
another one of those war movies.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Oh, I've heard that's actually fairly good.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Jeremy McKenzie, who was a veteran, he went and saw it,
and you know, he's not a guy that's really into
cinema because it's a lot of you know, programming and
stuff like that, to some extent or predictive programming. And
he said it was pretty good considering he was in Warfare.
I think it's supposed to be take place in Iraq.
He was in Afghanistan and Kandahar, so like he's like,
it's very close to like how you would feel in

(14:36):
those moments. And I couldn't imagine being someone that has
went to that type of warfare and seen what happens,
especially of what like Afghanistan was like at the time.
And then you're watching a movie that just.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Like and all of it.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
A lot of his friends died and stuff like that,
and like, imagine you're like, and you watch a movie
that looks that's vividly real into what experience that you had,
and then having to like, I'm sure that's a heroic experience.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Man, it's gotta be crazy. But I think that says
a lot maybe as well about the filmmaker that they
actually maybe put some effort into making sure it was like,
for the most part, factually correct. And I see that's
been getting pretty good reviews across the border.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
I'd like to check.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
The movie is directed by Danny Boyle, who also directed
the movie adaptation The Beach Train Spotting, Train Spotting two,
slom Dog Made Dinner Hours.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
Movie's weird.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, have you ever seen one hundred and twenty seven hours?
But the dude it's based on that real life story.
The dude that's he's like out hiking or something like that,
and he's a rock.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
It's my boy that they've shoved to the side. Now
he can't James Franco. Nobody knows where he's. Where he's at.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, he's just gone off the face.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
I've said to their wife, I was like, I don't
even care what he did. I just miss It asn't it?

Speaker 2 (15:48):
That's a good movie.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Actually, yeah, I like James Franco as an actor, right,
I think everyone in Hollywood is a freak, so it
doesn't really matter. They're all involved with like Diddy parties
and stuff like that. Despite what they tell you, a
lot of them are on Epstein's list and shit. But like,
I like James Franco and Dave Franco as actors, both funny,
like charismatic, and it's just sad that, Like, I'm sure

(16:09):
he did some fun, messed up stuff, but like we
haven't heard of James Franco in like what years now.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, he's just kind of disappeared.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Obviously he did something bad. And what's that guy's name
from that seventies show? So I mean it's tired of
some stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Who knows, right, it has some big stars now, but
at the time, I think a lot of these people
there was one or two that were like movie stars
at the time. Book.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
The guy from Harry Potter that plays Moody.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, he's Irish as well. Brendan Gleason. Yeah, Brendan Gleeson's
in it. Killian Murphy, Naomi Harris, Alex Palmer, David Snyder,
what's that movie that he's.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
In Gleason or whatever with, Oh, it's that movie is
so good.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
If we can ever do an off brand for that
that Like I remember seeing that like stone out my
mind with a buddy that like literally watching probably not
on VHS and his like poor little house. The guy
was fairly poor and it was just like I was
like shocked how like good it was, and like how
the just.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
The ending and there it's a good movie.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
It's it's a good movie. I like some of the
taglines for this one. Actually there's I only picked out
for you. There's like a million, but they're all kind
of just variations of each other. The first one is
the days are Numbered, which I thought was kind of simple. Yeah,
it's just one of the simple be thankful for everything,
for soon there will be nothing.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
That's actually I'm that bad.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
And then the final one is his fear began when
he woke up alone, his terror began when he realized
he wasn't.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
All of those are actually pretty decent.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Actually, ever, it's like this day, I'm like, oh, all
those are actions not that bad, But that scene where
he does wake up and it's like even rewatching it.
It's been years, honestly, because I don't think, yeah, you
could really find it, you know, And if I will
find out the DVD, I'm definitely gonna buy it.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
I'm sure if I look hard enough, I'll find it somewhere.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
And you know that just that scene when he comes
out and he like then even in the hospital where
they were gonna they were gonna put bodies in the hospital,
but they decided not to. They shot some scenes with bodies,
but they're like, no, it's it's they want to kind
of show how like the eerie element of being just
totally alone, and then when he goes onto the streets
and there's just like kind of garbage everywhere. But you know,

(18:25):
obviously at the time, they were moving bodies to the
church and other places to kind of keep them, probably
away from the people that were still surviving, especially when
I first have but imagine that, like realistically, you wake
up from a coma and then you go outside and
then it's like a bear and wasteland dead, quiet, no cars,
like it would just feel so eerie, especially if they

(18:48):
ever developed this where they could make like a theme
park kind of like that, or just the dead silence.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
I don't know how they would do it, but it
would be creepy.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Dude. I love the decision as well to take the
bodies out, Yeah, as much as as much as like,
you know, it's like, oh, why wouldn't it be bodies?
Ever in a zombie apocalypse, I actually prefer the decision
for them not to be there, because it starts to
build that tension straight away, because you'd be wondering. You're like, Okay, first,
I don't know what's going on. And then even if

(19:18):
your mind, like let's say people like us, even if
your mind went to like, oh, it's a zombie apocalypse,
the first thing you're gonna expect is there's gonna be
bodies or zombies everywhere. And then like the fact that
you're walking around, you're like, wait, there's actually nobody. That's
like worse again because I'm like, now where is that thing?
And everyone couldn't have just disappeared?

Speaker 3 (19:36):
I know, well could have been the rapture ie being
you like the last guy. Everyone else got picked up
by Jesus. And then like you're like the last person
on earth. Maybe there's a few other just degenerates, but
like imagine you're like I was in a coma, Jesus please,
and everyone would got raptured. So it looked like that
where there's like nothing.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
You mentioned him, you know, when he wakes up in
the hospital, And I thought this was interesting. It was
something that again never dawned on me till I what
rewatched it, like with the lens of over we're going
to record a show. When I wrote this down word
for it, I was like, when Jim wakes up in
the hospital, he was locked in the room from the outside.

(20:19):
So you see he picks up a key that's obviously
been pushed underneath the door from the outside. So obviously
somebody knew, whether it was a nurse or a doctor,
must have known that he might wake up at some
point or he might be okay, But obviously they couldn't
move him because he was in a fucking coma. So
they locked the door from the outside, put the key underneath,

(20:40):
so that if he did wake up before he died
of starvation or dehydration, that he could actually have a
chance to escape. And I feel like all them little
choices that you don't realize maybe or make it feel
more realistic.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Yeah, yeah, I agree for his zombie movie. This is
up there, probably one of the best.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
I like, we we're having we should, especially you done
the Debt at some point then remake in the Mall
because it's pretty messed up. Did you know that they
casted athletes as deinfected because they were like they needed
people that were physically you know, prowess. They had this
physical prowess, but also like it translates to the infected movements,
how fast they were, and especially when we get to

(21:19):
the second one too, just that certain scene where he's running,
it's just like it makes a lot of sense, like
you just have.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
To book it, and like if you didn't, you're done.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
But it was interesting, and because the amount of people
that you see running in both of these films, it
makes sense you'd want people that were physically fit. You
wouldn't want to like shift the scene and it's like
a five minute running scene and then you see like
there's like twenty people going.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
And it's all that's brought up. I can't wait to
see twenty eight years later just for and we're not
going to talk about that too much book, I know,
and I can't wait to see it because if you
look at some of the clips that have been put
out there already. We see different body types, but they
still seem to have the same attributes. So like there's
a guy who's like soul, like fucking bane, but he's

(22:09):
like super silent and as obviously can move super fast still,
which is kind of freakish as well. To think like
that even if you had, you know, like an overweight
person or really tall and big muscular person that they
could potentially just from this virus alone still be able
to like outpace you and stuff, which is horrifying.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, right, because the infect it wouldn't matter, right, it
would probably especially if this infection is what we kind
of think it is, is this like psychological virus to destroy, kill, eat, uh,
you know, main main people and all that stuff, You
would think that, like it probably would because even like
certain parasites and there's actual real viruses that do like
some horrible things to your body and mind and can

(22:50):
push you beyond Like the billy is probably a tapeworm
or something, but like you would you think it would
like run down your body until there's nothing left, So
it would almost like because your mind is more powerful,
like David Goggins and some of these other people where
can you can push it to such a limit where
if you ignore it being like no, you're in pain,
and you're like no, no, no, I'm gonna keep going.

(23:11):
Your body can withstand a lot of things. So imagine
if your brain is literally wired to be like pit
all and then all it knows is that eventually it
would just go until your body is no more, till
everything your bone and start breaking apart. You're like muscles deteriorate, right,
So you think that's kind of what this virus would
have done to people.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
And that's the thing I love about the concept of
I know, they don't call them zombies and this they
call them infected. And they said, this is never supposed
to be a zombie movie per se, But I love
the idea of I love the idea of that. And
you always see that every time the infected show up
on screen, it's so frantic and like wild. No. I know,

(23:50):
zombie attacks in general are always seen as quite a
graphic thing, but for some reason, how this is shot
is like every time they show up unseen, it's so
all frantic and all over the place, the camera work,
everything goes crazy. They kind of don't know what goes
on I've seen it. He said that they they they
had shot the zombie sequences in a different frame rate

(24:12):
so they could when they edited the movie together, all
the scenes that feature Infected were played back I think
in like one point two five times the speed, so
it gave it that like everything seemed like they were
kind of moving to the weird frame rate, like not
like stop motion, but you know what I mean. Every

(24:34):
time the Infected show, but it has this weird camera
work like makes it freakish.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I did like as well, that little opening scene at
the start with all the news footage of all like
the civil unrest around the world, and I feel like
nowadays especially it's it seems even more relevant. But I
think that was based on like stuff that went on
in Sierra Leone and like there were necklace and people
in the street and stuff like that, and they were
going to use actual footage, but then they felt like,
maybe we'll start to involve too many complaints and too

(25:02):
much issue, so they just shot Like I think a
lot of that stuff was just shot like in their
like back gardens and like random places that just like
shot that new footage.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, because there's no traditional opening credits it's with the
title appearing as the description sometime after, like the Fox
search Light logo. So I'm all different.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
And that's what like, especially movies like I see the
seventies and eighties and somewhere in the nineties when you
had that like long intro credit and you're like, can
we get to the fucking movie?

Speaker 5 (25:29):
Man?

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Especially remember saying in theaters it's not like that any more.
Luckily they've learned, but you would sit for like five
probably ten minutes waiting for the movie to start because
they have to like add all these stupid credits.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
It's like, just do it at the end, save everybody.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, he pay attest to it anyway. Yeah, that's kind
of gone. Yeah, to be fair, I do like as
well that the idea of the active is breaking into
the lab to kind of release the animals or whatever.
I feel like that's within the context of like something
that's you know, seems so unbelievable. I feel like it's
quite a believable remis for how you know, something may escape,

(26:03):
because we see that all the time now, Like I've
seen here recently, I think Shannon Airport in the West
of Ireland during the week they had to close the
airport because there's something to do with I don't know
if it's like Palestinian protesters or something like that, and
they ran out on their own way and then they
got into some big hotel in Dublin and like the cops.
It was like this big thing and it just there's

(26:23):
loads of little things that happen in this movie that
remind me of stuff that's somewhat relevant. I don't want
to get into all like the politics and all of it,
but it kind of it was definitely ahead of its
time for some of the things it was trying to
say about, like society and like us as a human race,
like how fickle we are.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
People are easily too, very easily radicalized, especially recently.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
It's so crazy.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
I'm sure there's like people out there, especially younger kids
that haven't fully developed their brain in any way maybe
never will, where they see one TikTok video and then
they're like oppression and then they're like freaking out, like
throwing like paint at buildings and all sorts of things
that people do or like, or like some of those
people that are doing that to like famous art museums
and then just like throwing paint on like these like

(27:10):
ancient paintings and or like you know, a couple hundred
years old, these beautiful paintings to make a point about
some stupid thing that they've been radicalized on the internet
to believe.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
And I'm like, our world's lost. Man.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
People don't have the ability to rationalize and think things
through anymore because of their attention span. Is like like
onto the next thing. What else can I feel angry
about or oppressed about her or whatever?

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Right, it's quite clear. Yeah, And like there's a there's
definitely a lot of like I subols, undertones of that
indue to a degree, you know, maybe not so much
specifics or whatever, but there's definitely a lot of I
don't know, I don't know how to say it, Like,

(27:54):
there's a lot of things that I suppose if you
really dig into the movie.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
That reflect like human behavior during these kind of yeah times.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, And I don't like I didn't think at the time.
I was like I never thought of it like that.
I was like, it was just a really cool kind
of freaky zombie movies essentially what I looked out. But
then when you listen to any other interviews, did it
actually think a lot about like all the little subconscious
things that are in the movie that's supposed to kind
of reflect us as a human race, and like how

(28:26):
you know, how we can turn on each other, Like
I was looking at I'd written down as like the
whole concept actually scares me now more than it probably
did when I seen it when I was young, because
I had no context. It was just a scary movie.
But like, you know, over here at least we had
like the outbreak of foot Mount disease, there was mad
cow disease that could be past the humans and stuff, and.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Like you know, not gonna say anything.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
All the inquiries into that afterwards, Like and then you
see like the government and all these like different places
that were supposed to be in charge of all this,
all the mistakes they made, the kind of tell that
didn't know what to do when the outbreak happened. They
didn't really do whatever, you know, whatever protocols and stuff
just kind of went out the window, and it just

(29:13):
kind of shows it's fear. It's fear mongering a lot
of times too. If the government says for your safety,
you're not safe.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
That's from one of my songs called Conspiracy Theory. Part two.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
But you know, even over here with measles, you're like,
oh my god, the measles breakout, and I'm like, you're
if you got vaccinated from measles, you should be fine.
That's the whole point of why you got it, So
you shouldn't probably worry too much about that.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Last time somebody died of measles was in the nineties.
So yeah, and like it's just i' like to I
supposed to double up on that if because I don't,
I don't like to. This isn't a political thing I
mean or whatever. I just I just mentioned this stuff like,
and there's I'm sure there's people that don't have the
same beliefs that.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
We don't have to agree with me.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, it's like let's talk horror movie and have different
thoughts of opinions and meet in the middle, rather than
this idea of like, oh, if you don't radically think
the exact same ways that I do, that I hate you,
or because that's where our society is right now.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
I am.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
And it's just like, let's say if you you know,
you have all your trust in the government I think,
and let's just say for example that they are trying
their best to do the right thing. At the end
of the day, it's just it's yeah, it's just other
humans that think, oh, yeah, this is the best way
to do that thing. And then when shit hits the fan,

(30:33):
you can see really quickly how like you said, fear
comes in even from their point of view, like for example,
the fear of say the common man overthrown the government
is like a no can do pension, you know, and
it's like something like that happens, and then they start
to behave irrationally based off of the fact of like, well,
we can't be overshrown, so now we have to do

(30:54):
something absolutely wild to try and like rain back in.
And there's a lot of stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
I think they control everyone through fear. Most people should
realize that, no matter who you are, that fear is
the best. As I say in Dune, fear.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Is the mindkiller.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Here's something else as well that I didn't really think
of until this time around. That's how scary the idea is,
right that the government or whatever you know, section of
whoever is supposed to be like trying to figure out
this rage virus thing, and let's say that it didn't

(31:32):
go bad, so they were running test and to basically
figure out rage and be able to kind of dull
it down and stop in their term, stop violence. I
think about how scary that would have been, right, So
if they were able to exploit that, they could basically
just control the entire human race to have no opposition,

(31:54):
Like they could just dull everybody down to That's what
they're doing now, you know what I mean, Like, if
you think think about it, when in the confines of
the story, it never really comes up, but if you
actually think about it, they were trying to figure out
like how rage human rage works. So why would you
need to figure that out on the shore going to
try and exploit it?

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
They're developing microchips right now that can go into people's
brain essentially make them like autonomous robots. Like they've openly
discussed this. There's video footage of them promoting this stuff
in the world that can perform amongst other places of
like well, if we put this you, we could shut
down the receptors to this and that and this, uh,
and then they can literally control your brain, how you think,
how you feel, you know, what makes you angry, what

(32:37):
makes you sad.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
That's pretty dangerous.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
The people in power shouldn't have access to any of
that stuff, but you know, we've let them. You know,
I'm I'm a believer everybody out there, the least government
involvement in your life is possible. I think that if we,
you know, people believe in you can't survive that the
government is like believing animals can't survive at a farm.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
It's the same thing. We've been taught that, like, oh,
they're looking out for us. I don't, don't. I think
you should look a little deeper and see what the hell.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, and and like, you know, one way or the other,
it seems to be fucked because if okay, so let's
put it in the context of this movie. You know,
everyone says, oh, well, everything went bad because those activists
let the chimp out and then he infected the thing
in its bread, and you know, England was just fucked.
And I'm like, yeah, but we also don't get to

(33:20):
see the other side of the coin, which is, okay,
that was never that never happened, that was never discovered,
and the government managed to eventually figure out how to
control rage, and then somehow we all get all down
without even realizing and like you never have the energy
or like that violence streak in you to ever like

(33:40):
uprise against anything, because if you think about it, right
throughout human history, rage has been a key part in
like warfare people. Yeah, like people rebet and I don't
always like, I'm not saying warfare is always a good thing,
but I mean, okay, so let's take the English occupation
of Ireland. If the Irish people hadn't have been able

(34:02):
to use their rage and like have that kind of
revenge streak, we wouldn't have taken our country back. And
I'd still be I'd still be saluting the king or
the queen or whatever.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yeah, that's why I hate when people are like, we
need to get rid of hate and intolerance and all
that other stuff, and it's like, you know, realize that
hate can be You should hate the people that are
actively trying to erase you, like that's or kill you
or hurt you. You can use these emotions for actually
good for good things, you know, not maybe communist revolutions,

(34:31):
because that's what most revolutions were, but revolutions to spark
new change and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
You know.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Remember that's member the movie The Network. I don't know
what to do about the Russians or the inflation or
the crime. But all I know is, first you have
to get mad that these things are happening to you,
that there's people out there that are allowing these to
happen to every day people while they enrich themselves at
the back of the people that they're supposed to represent. Okay,
let's carry on, but you know, people need to realize that.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Like I love the control human emotion in that way.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, I and I love that. I don't know if
it's ever really put like this within the movie, but essentially,
all the virus does, really it is just make us
more of something that we already are.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
I'm not saying it's a good thing. Like I'm not saying, oh,
let's develop a virus that does this and let it
out or anything like that, but I'm just saying it Essentially,
all it's doing is just intensifying that emotion that you've
already got.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
I already doing that. Is that.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Like I'm not a fan of Elon musk Trump, despite
when people think that if you're on one side, they think,
all of a sudden, you like it the other side,
and it's like na's not what happens. But the woke
mind virus, as they call it, eyes to think is
a very real thing. If you see how a lot
of people act. You know, you can say one thing
to someone and they're like, well, but let me turned
to like you know, goku or something like that, where

(35:46):
they like flame up.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
That's why I yeah, that's why I try not to
say anything because I don't I just don't have the desire.
I don't care. Not that I don't care enough. I
don't care about things. I don't care enough to like
argue with someone who I already can tell there's no
point in argument with.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
I'm like, oh no, our opinion on my show and
stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
But when this stuff comes up, you know this, this
is supposed to be an escape, this show and stuff
in horror movies in general and cinema in general. But
when these things do come up, I want people to
realize that's like I care for everybody. I want everybody
to just get along and stop this madness because there's
obviously people orchestrating it.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
So and this this actually that ties into what you
just said, because this should the story of this film
as well, the emotional story of this film, which is
vastly underrated as well, shows I think, the power of
humanity and like how people who probably had no business
ever crossing paths, you know, in your everyday life when

(36:46):
you've got to go into your cubicle and you know
you've got a mortgage in two cars and kids and
all this, and you're just in your own head and
you're trying to live in your own little like prison,
and everyone's doing the same thing. There's a lot of
maybe relationships conversations, crossing paths with people that maybe we're
not even actively but we just don't realize they're just
passing by, you know. We don't look at that person

(37:07):
and smile at them, we don't offer help, they don't
offer us help. Everyone's afraid to like connect with anybody.
Nobody really knows what to do. And I feel like
this shows that when shit really hits the fan to
the point where you like all these characters obviously think
that there's maybe potentially not left that very quickly those
relationships are like intensified and everything speeds up. Like there's

(37:30):
a scene where and I had actually written this down
and I don't know why it it caught me as
quick as it did. But the scene when they're having
the picnic, I was like, it really shows the simple
nature of life and how many of the things that
we think are important don't really matter very much at all.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
The relationship between Jim and Selena progressing so fast shows
the nature of humans when all distractions are removed and
we live for a more simple and genuine time. Like
they're just sitting there like eating sam which is whatever,
in a field in the middle of nowhere, like in
a castle room or something, and like erring is fucked.
But it kind of shows that, like ultimately, when you

(38:10):
remove all this crap, all this technology, all this garbage,
like all we really have is each other.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
It's true, and that's why I've commented on my show.
But there's stuff of radical individualism, this idea that we're
all individuals and you need to be your truth and
all the other stuff that they feed people. It's like, no,
we need, you know, we need collectivism. A lot of people,
when I've done videos speaking out against some of the
stuff that's going on in the world, they're like, well,

(38:35):
what do we do? And I'm like, a good start
is collectivism. Realize that we need each other as humans,
as different people. You see this in different ethnic groups
all around the world. Is they stick together. Man, and we,
especially in the West, have been taught like not to
really do that, that you're an individual, you need to
individually be yourself, which is true. You need to embrace that,
but also you need to embrace that.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
I was talking about this the other day, if she'd
ever hit the fan like this or some sort of
thing that reverts us back to a time without all
this technology and convenience, because convenience is a prison in itself.
Because everyone's so consumed with their glass prison, they don't
realize they're even in a prison to begin with. The
best way to control people and control prisoners is to
convince them if they're not in a prison to begin with.
But you used to have this thing. I was like, so,

(39:16):
if I have chickens, I have especially for food. You know,
say I have chickens that la eggs, you know that
you can eat. Then you have next door someone has
meat birds, and then down the street someone has cows,
and then on the other side someone has pigs, and
then someone has vegetables, and someone has weeds.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Someone has that yeah, and at some point true necessity,
you're gonna have to craft those relationships there and maybe
maybe even you, like maybe there's a guy down the
street that right now in the circumstances you're like, oh,
fucking dick, Like I wouldn't spit on him for him,
And then when things like this happen, you kind of
have to go, Okay, well, we've both got to drop

(39:54):
that now and figure out like the best foot forward here,
and that all kind of has to go away. And
there's something that somebody commented on a video that I watched,
and I thought this was and again I feel like
I'm tying in like nowadays so much, but like there's
a lot of social commentary in this. I think the
comment was and I actually forgot to get the the

(40:14):
commenter's name, but he said that. So the idea is
always conveyed to us that hell is other people. However,
in the story of this movie, they have turned it
on its head and we are shown that actual hell
is no other people. And when you were left all alone,
that is true hell.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Right, you think about it, like, like why do you
do anything you do? Really, like if you didn't have
a wife or a girlfriend or a partner, a boyfriend
or whatever, you had no kids, you had no friends
or not, like would anything be worth anything?

Speaker 1 (40:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (40:45):
And that's and that's like I said, why you kind
of revert back to this idea of tribalism where people
don't really have a tribe, especially in the West of
the way that we used to have taking care of
each other. And then you wonder why they're going towards
these certain groups I think are very unhealthy and very
dangerous ways of thinking and people you know that I'm

(41:05):
not going to get into them. I think everybody that
knows me should know what I'm talking about. But right,
and then they're and then they're drawn into these very
dangerous tribes that you know, and end up self harm
and conflicting self harm on each other because of their
radicalized views of whoever who taught them that.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Right. So, and then you see this.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Throughout like history in the Soviet Union and some of
these places where yeah, if you can condition people this in,
you know, and then they will all like start banning together.
Where it's like the the hundredth monkey theory could work
good and bad, right, that you could have the ideas
like these monkeys on another side of the world, on
another island, figured out how to like whatever came or

(41:48):
the whole sort of crack open a coconut and get
like stuff on the inside and build or create this
food source, and then another island that they're totally isolated,
the exact same.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Breed or whatever breed.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
But this is the exactly monkeys did the exact same thing,
even though there was no connection. It's like this this
social subconscious thing that's out in the ether somehow. And
then you have that in good and bad in humans,
everyone starts to realize, oh, what's being done to them,
and then you have this conscious shift, Oh we need
to go a different direction. But you can also have

(42:21):
it in a negative way where too many people are
starting to think these crazy radicalized views, and then it
forms it bigger, and then it gets bigger and bigger
and bigger, and like, look where you're as a society.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Right, Yeah, it's like everyone's.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Each other's throats man. Literally.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yeah, I never I never taught about movies like this,
these two specifically in that context before. But there's a
lot of that, and I'm not saying that was the intention.
I don't think they were trying to make some sort
of political stance thrending. I think it was more trying
to show the human nature side of it, rather than
being like, oh, the government is bad or the government
is good, or this is good or that's bad. I

(42:56):
think it was more about the human relationships of like
all the things that you might think are the important things.
So when that all goes to shit then and that
none of that's left anymore, and then what happens and
like even even more so in this I think, Okay,
so we're twenty eight days later, right, and the reality
of it is and that this was something else that

(43:18):
I had written down at some point, was you know,
we all like to think, we all like to think that, oh,
if this will happen, you know, I would like being
mcguver and I would craft all these weapons, and I
would like be out like and you know, plant and stuff,

(43:38):
and i'd have farms and i'd have this and that.
But reality that for a while at least anyway, like
we'd be living off of junk food and stuff like
you see when they got into that underground store and
like they're eating all garbage and it's like you know,
pepsi and shit and like that. Realistically, for as long
as probably necessary, we'd probably be living like that that

(43:59):
we figure out like wait a sec most of us
don't know how to farm. Most of us don't know
how to fucking you know, plan?

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, and you see, you see why why, like everybody
just think about that in general. You see why they're
making that so dependent on the state and not on
each other, because, like I said, if we did that
were everyone had the means of producing something that would
benefit the community. Guess what, you don't really need a government.
You essentially one or like maybe five people in your

(44:25):
own as I believe in localization of things, you need
maybe five men, two women or something like that. Like
that are like controlling and everyone agrees, and then there's
conversations that you had on a small level.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Governments.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
The government means if you alone know, government means control,
meant means mind.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
It's mind control.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
But like once that goes, man, you're gonna have to
Like what happened in Europe recently, everybody their power went out,
all conveniently, all at the same time.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
And that was something I had written down. When the
heighten that shop in the underground, it really shows the
reality of something like this, it's daytime, but the lack
of electricity, et cetera, would make any and all times
of day and night just completely miserable. Yeah, and like
it would. Yeah, and you might like, look, we all might.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
Like Belgian it was at Belgium.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
It was like there was like six different European countries
that all they're all their power structure ended at the
same time.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
So I'm like, it's a.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Weird, but like, but my point is, right, let's just
even if you remove like the governmental aspect of that,
let's just say something happens and the government can't get
a hold on it. Let's just say, right, something like
that was just a complete coincidence where all these power
stations just happened to blow up or whatever. Right, and
let's let's just I don't believe this. Let's just say
it was a big, massive coincidence, right, Yeah, And like

(45:44):
you really think, like the governments are just going to
be able to go and fix that, because I don't
believe that. I think if stuff went wild, like our
world would fall apart really quick. And I've seen it
on like a very small not even comparable I was
getting a flight from Orlando back to Dublin in twenty sixteen,

(46:04):
and there was a hurricane I can't remember the hurricane
that year that hit Florida and we got stuck in Orlando.
We were the last flight to leave the airport. There
was a like a government issued curfew, and US and
British areas were the last flights to leave Orlando International

(46:27):
and of course we were the very last one. They
do a turnaround, so they dropped the passengers off that
have just come from Ireland. They turned around the plane
to clean it, to do everything, they refuel it, and
then they put us back on and we fly home.
And I'm sitting like looking out this big, huge glass window.
You know, it's like all the seats in the airport
blah blah, and I just happened and all this I

(46:47):
was talking to the guy I was with and like
over his shoulder, I'm like I could see it for
a minute while I was talking about it didn't really
registers like this black smoke. And then I'm like looking
at I'm like, what the fuck is that? And he's
like what And the two of us stand up and
walk over to the glass and the plane is on fire,
and I'm like, right, that plane is literally, you know,

(47:10):
two three hundred feet away from the glass, and it's
like it's a transatlantic plane. Like so it's massive, and
I'm like, I don't know why, but I was like instantly,
I was like, well, I don't want to get belonged
to pieces. I don't know how it works, but I
just assume a plane is on fire, it's full of
jet fuel. I don't really fancy getting in cinereata like
final destination. So then other people start to notice, and

(47:34):
everyone just starts to fucking run away and we're in
this like it's a pretty big cardor but when you
put a couple of hundred people in US and it
was like something out of twenty eight days later, everybody's
trying to run at the same time, and I'm I'm
not going to stand here and go I was, you know,
morally correct, and I was like pushing women out of way.
I didn't give a fuck. I'll be honest, I literally

(47:55):
didn't care. When I've seen everyone screaming running as like
a motherfucker, I'll tackle kids. I don't care, and I'm
not And that's not the sound cooler trying to be funny.
I'm being genuine and I think that's human nature when
you're putt in that position. Like if somebody had have
walked down in front of me with an AK forty
seven and said, right, who wants to get shot and
be don't want to sacrifice another evone else goal, not

(48:15):
very many of us are going to stand up and say, yeah,
shoot me.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
No, I know, right, So it is interesting because, like
I said, like the we had an ice storm not
too long ago and not near me, but still up
and up up north.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Is'sh in Ontario.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Some people don't have power, fact two weeks and I'm like,
and then you when you're you have to pay with cash,
and I'm like, all that shit fails.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Who's keeping all the infrastructure together? Not really a lot
of people. I can point a lot of many examples
of why it's not. But I'm not going to do
that because people probably ammadt of me.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
But like even if they were having your best interest
at heart, Like I think there's there's things out there
that could happen that what happens then, like I mean.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Oh, fake it, Oh they're going to keep the infrastructure going.
I'm like, most people don't even know how even the
world works. Or how how we even get power? Why
there's power?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
You know what I mean, like if something like even
even other things. Let's just say, you know, Okay, I
live in Ireland, a really small, up until now neutral
country which I don't believe we are in a lot ways.
But like if we were to get invaded again, dude,
like do I read or does anybody that lives in

(49:26):
this country really think that our government would even be
able to protect us even if they were, even if
they wanted to think that they're not.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Going to be the purposely doing it now I think you.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Are, yeah, but like you know what I mean. It's like,
you know, if another if another military from another country
came here and and wanted to take over Ireland, Like
even if our government wanted to resist, number one, it
wouldn't happen. But number two, do you not think they'll
be on the first plane out of here and we'll
all be just left to fucking ross.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
They care more about themselves anybody. That's why it's funny
you think these uh and.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Again human nature everyone.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Sure, we'll get off the topics for a second, but
like I's whant to say one last thing, essentially right,
is that they are more selfish and more focused on
the riching themselves than anybody else in our entire society. Right, Like,
if you're in the government, why are these people not
qualified to a of join the military, have been a
firefighter or a police officer. You should at least show

(50:26):
that you are willing to sacrifice your life for your
own people.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
But none of the politicians do that.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
They're like bankers and lawyers and like some of the
worst literally worst corporate jobs in the entire world. And
then somehow conveniently they all become politicians because that whole
machine runs off of bankers and lawyers and politicians. It's
a whole structure. So they all work within the confines
and the means of the system. Where that's why it's

(50:53):
like it once you become if you want to go
inside the system to change, it's not you who change
the system.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
It's eventually the system who change, just you. Right.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
So like some of those people, especially politicians, like they
wouldn't save you, they don't care, like they've never even worked.
Like we said, whether the conservative they're not conservative, they're
they're they're center leftists. But the conservative guy lost his seat,
so another guy from Alberta gave it his seat up
so then Pierre could still keep his seat, and people
were joking. The guy who's been in politics and been

(51:23):
a politician for his entire life, he's never had a
real job. So if he doesn't do that job all
of a sudden, what the hell is that guy gonna do.
He's obviously rich, he's made tons of money, but all
he knows is how to play political theater and play pretend.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Right.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
So I'm like, if those people all of a sudden,
say got because they're all rich, but if they were
just poor all of a sudden and had their work
with that common people as they call us, they'd all
be doomed because they've never really done anything significant in
their life or even worth it. Like for everyone is
I hate politicians. I think they're the worst to corrupt
people in the entire world. But they wouldn't save anybody.

(51:59):
They wouldn't, eve say, their own family. They'd probably just
like give family.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Man, That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I think that's human nature. That's that's the biggest problem
we haveving the biggest thing they have to overcome. I
will say this is definitely one of the most haunting
parrots of the movie. I always remember this sticking out
to me when he calls out in the church and
them two dudes look up with like the big wide
like open, but they don't do anything. They just look

(52:24):
up like they're shocked, and I'm like, what in the
fuck is that?

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Like I cannot know what's going on either.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, so it's like they're like that bit where they
just pop up and just like look at them, dude.
That shit is freaky. And like this movie always reminds
me of like I don't like a video game or
remember being in school and I'd be like daydreaming about
like surviving the zombie apocalypse. And every time I watch
this it makes me feel like a kid again in
that sense of being like how wild would it be, though,

(52:53):
to end up in a world like that where you've
got no idea what's happening, because it will be very
hard to I know, they call them infected, they're not zombies,
blah blah blah, but like it would be very hard
to come to terms with, like, you know, waking up
from a coma or whatever, someone saying oh, yeah, by
the way, why they've been in a coma. There's essentially
zombies out there now.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah, so why And then I remember that they had
the Preacher or whatever, and it's like he's walking towards
him and it's like you think he's like a normal
guy and then nope.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yeah, it's there's a lot of like really freaky shits.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Yeah, I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
In this movie. I will say, what else did I
have here?

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I just I love that scene with the church. I
don't know what it is about it. It just freaks
me out. The all the little choices as well, Like
like I said about living off the junk food and stuff,
which again would probably be more realistic for most people.
That's what's gonna end up happening.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
I was joking about stock paring seeds the way he
can research had a stockpile seeds because I was.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Like, I don't know what's gonna happen, man, I know
like people that do that and stuff. The way he
can't accept, you know, what he's being told and he
still has to like visit home to try and like clarify.
He's like that, and I can kind of it's I
think it's a real again, that's probably like a human

(54:20):
like a real, realistic reaction. Is to god, that's not
there's something else going on. So I'm just gonna see
my parents and like it'll be all. I'll figure it
out from there. And then like when he gets there
and he sees them dead, and then the music in
that scene, like it changes completely again. So like we
have this weird, like emotional like it's kind of haunting

(54:40):
when you look at it. And then the little poem
on the back of it. I didn't actually get what
it says, but it's something. Let me pull it up here,
because I felt like this was one of those things
that again was just quite i don't know, like kind

(55:00):
of scary in a different context. Okay, yes, So, like
he takes the picture that his parents are holding in
their hands and they're dead in the bed, and obviously
I'm assuming they've killed themselves because of what's gone on,
and it just says, Jim with endless love, we left

(55:23):
you sleeping, now we're sleeping with you. Don't wake up.
Oh that's fucked, And I just think that, yeah, I
just think that's grim because obviously they knew he was
in a coma when all this went on, so they
went and done away with themselves and that was like
their little like, please don't wake up so you don't
have to come back to this world.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Would you do that?

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Oh fuck, I don't know would you. Would you try
to survive or would you expect fucking.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
I think the initial reaction would probably to try and
survive by any means necessary. And I do think that's
where you know, people will start to figure out who
they really are, I think when put in this situation.
And I do think I had written this down at
some point where I do think as well, it would
probably play out in this sense where and I know

(56:09):
it's kind of the generic movie thing to be like,
oh well, the guy who's the weakling is always the hero.
I do think that more often than not, though, the
more unassuming people would end up being the ones that
last versus you know, you get those people to have
that big bravado where they're like, well, if those zombie apocalypse,
I'd just like chop all their heads off and I'd like, ye,
save everybody into I think they'd be the first people

(56:31):
to die. You because you're so naive to think that
it would be just as simple as that. And I
think I'll see red bro I'll just see yeah, that
doesn't work like and I think I'm not saying me
or you, but I think all people like us, who
were unassuming to most people, may have a better chance
of survival than those kinds of people.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
I said that once to Billy. I was like, I
think I would survive apocalypse and he's like, do you,
And I was like, I don't know. I was like,
I've been like meant prepared about some of the stuff
that's going on in the world for a long time.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
And he's like, yeah, that'd be the problem. You would
just be losing your mind.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
It's just like these are just old ladies out on
uh for groceries or something. I'd be like, here's the
apocalypse and the shaking old ladies thinking their zombies or
something like that, some like scary movie shit where I
just started like, I think everyone looks like a corpse
or something.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
I start knocking out old people.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
I will say as well, some of my favorite shots
in all cinema are probably in this movie. It's the
shots of the city and stuff. Man, Oh yeah, I know,
you're so well done.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
And it's like even the buckets and the hampers that
really be collecting water with.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
I know yeah, it's just like and again, I think
it shows a real human like naive side where you
just think you're doing your best and you have no idea,
Like he's using the plastic to try and get the condensation,
not realizing that that doesn't work. You can't collect condensation
if it's concrete underneath. You would have to have art.
It's the conversation would have to come up. But again,

(58:02):
that's probably a thing that maybe someone might have heard
somewhere and went, oh, yeah, I'm not realizing, like I
have no idea about how it actually works.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Yeah, here I can bring this up like this, I
i'd have. It's just like, why are these scenes right
where it's just like he I guess they saw there
was like they were like, okay, get me like a
hundred buckets, and then it didn't look good and he's like, hey,
give me a thousand buckets because they wanted this scene,
which is.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
And again I think it seems like a really simple
like why what's the point? But I think it has
a big place in it in the sense of we
get to follow normal people just like us who were
trying to survive. There's no real heroics, it's just all
being done from necessity and like what you think is best,
and a lot of times what you think is best

(58:46):
isn't the right thing. Like when when Jim and Selena
are running from the infected and they're going up the
tower block. I love the fact that Jim is begging
her the entire way to please wait for me, Please
wait for me, stop running, come back for me, don't
don't leave me, because I think that it shows the
humanity of like the dude doesn't always have to be like, well,

(59:07):
I'll run back down the stairs towards them and I'll
kill them all and I'll be back soon. No chances
are most of us if we saw all those covered
in blood, screaming, running a one hundred mile an hour,
I'd probably shait my pants if I was injured, dude, Like,
I'd probably be begging for whoever's with me, please don't
leave me behind?

Speaker 4 (59:25):
Yeah, or just or just put me on my misery.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yeah, like something, yeah, something has to again. Like Brendan Gleeson,
I love him in this movie as well, and it's that, like,
you know, he's a dad just protecting his daughter by
whatever he thinks is his best.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
I shouldn't have gave up their guns. Think about it.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Think about every a realistic zombie apocalypse like this happened
in America. There's a lot of people that have a
soft rifle, so that would just like you post up
with like a hundred dudes and you would be fine
for a bit, Like you know what I mean, if
you if you had the weaponry and the power were
like is essentially just keep walk keeping it, watching your
six everybody kind of collectivizing together and then using that

(01:00:07):
you know what I mean. There's some wild stuff that
they have in America that they could have used now.
So I would just like find a tank and just
like in its tanks sealed shot man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
But it does change the dynamic. And I think having
grown up in Ireland and spending a lot of time
in the UK, I think that's why these movies kind
of still kind of give me the creeps a little
bit when I look at them, because.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
I'm like, well, the Bobby's gonna do what they're like
and I'm like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
And I'm like that that could like I can see
that happening like in here, like here or in the
UK very easily because we don't have anything really to protectors. As,
so we don't have weapons. We don't and like even
our police force in Ireland don't have weapons like they
have tasers. So it's like, you know, I can't even

(01:00:51):
it's not I can't even expect like the local police
to be able to know. I don't think they I
don't think they would because I think everyone would just
be for themselves. But I couldn't even expect them to
be able to protect me anyway, like a right police
have sticks.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
So it's like, okay, well, what are you going to do?
Like nothing, You're going to get overrun instantly.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
And then I'm sure stated, I'm sure the politicians have
what I'm garage though.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
That's what I'm saying. They'll all be gone. They'll they'll
long begun. They'll either be in a some sort of
underground base in a mountain or something, or they'll be
gone off the comp.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
That's dude, people, You don't think they they're not aware
of that. Some of the stuff maybe not like this,
but could happen. Like Mark Zuckerberg spend millions upon millions
dollars building a bunker. There's there's tons of bunkers out
there that must people don't even know where they.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Are everywhere, which is a little bit unset. And the
scene where they're going to the supermarket and they're getting
all their groceries or whatever and it kind of goes
happy for a few minutes, which again I guess you
would probably take some of those things that would Yeah,
it would seem like such a big exciting thing in
that situation. I was looking into that. So supposedly that's

(01:01:57):
an actual like Marcus and they just they found out
that the store manager was like a huge film fan.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
So he was like, I'll let you in here once
we close and you can use it all night. So
long as you sign a couple of posters for me,
that's all. That's Yeah, that's all he asked for.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
That would be awesome, up my ship.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Yeah, I think that was the only thing that was like,
you know, whatever you do, can you just put the
stuff back or like not damage the whole store.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
But like all them little things like you talked about
there a minute ago, you know, stuff we don't think about,
like you know, any form of like gas or anything
like that, food, water, supplies, heat, shelter, electricity, transport, all
that stuff. Gets taken away. I do like where it's
not readily available, like I can't. I can walk down

(01:02:46):
the stairs when we finished this, and I can go
to the store and I can get whatever I like.
I can drive to a gas station and fill up
my tank if I need to. I can you know,
if my tire blows up, I can just call the
guy who I trained with that. Yeah, But then it's
like if all that stuff gets removed, and like, how
how long would I have asked? Whatever?

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
There's a this is why I'm like, dude, there's a
report from the Canadian government that said in twenty forty
that Canadians will be living off the land, hunting and
foraging for food. A government detailed document said this, So
what are they expecting to happen?

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
It's yeah, freaky. Do you think you know the scene
where they stop to get gas for the taxi cab
and remember she says to Jim, She's like, oh, we
have enough food, and he's going to walk into that
building and he's like, oh, we don't have cheeseburgers though,
and she's like, what the fuck are you doing? Like
and then he walks in. He starts calling out and
you can hear something. I've seen a lot of people

(01:03:48):
online who think so, Remember, he turns around, the kid
runs at him, and he beats the kid. He steps
on him, and he beats him with the baseball. There's
a lot of people that feel like he he done
that on purpose, that he wanted to, like, I don't know,
come up against one of them or whatever, to like
overcome it or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
Maybe just to face the fear. I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Yeah, And that sort of little hint will get into
it very shortly about like towards the end of the
film and his character arc where you're seeing the little
bits of his rage coming out in a different way.
So it's like his rage against what's happening to him.
So it's like, yeah, I'm just kind of whatever's in here.
I don't think he knew it was a kid, but

(01:04:32):
like whatever version, man, woman, whatever, that he was just
going to smash their head in with a fucking what
a betata?

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
I feel like you do that, you like, I've had enough.
I just want to hit one of.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
These, especially if it was a kid, I probably would.
I might be getting away with that, Yeah, I don't know.
I do like the human element though mixed in with
the efect that it kind of brings on a weird
like emotional journey as well. Yeah, that roadblock scene is
quite scary. And when you see like Manchester's all barn

(01:05:04):
and remember they think they're gonna get there and it's
gonna be like this oasis, and then they get there
and the camera pans up and like the city's on fire.
You can see all these big explosions and shit, and
they get to that roadblock that that shit always scared me.
And when the dude, Brendan Gleason's character he's called Frank,
when he looks up and the drop of blood goes in,

(01:05:25):
Oh yeah, I hate that's me And like instantly though
the way he goes like and then he starts to
like move around a bit weird, I'm like, oh, that's
fucking scary. And he's a big dude as well, I.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Know, not cool because then you're like, ah, especially once
you get like where you get. That's the way obviously every.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Movie does this where they build up the characters and
you get to know them and then something happens and
you're like, of course, right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Like yeah, and he's like they made him such like
a likable older guy, I think, And that was another
thing I liked about this. I like zombie movies in general.
But yeah, the thing I appreciate about something like this
is they've really made the stakes feel high because like
they kind of show that, like even one infected can

(01:06:09):
just like just ravage everything. It's not as simple as like, oh, well,
you know, like say a movie like World War Z
where you have brad past and there's like eight million
people in Jerusalem and they're going around with like gatling
guns like shooting, like it's an action movie. It's like
fun to look at. It seems like a big spectacle,
but the reality of it is that would probably never

(01:06:31):
happen because if you had one of these infected, like
I guarantee, if there was one infected person in my
like area where all these houses are, chances are it
would probably kill all of us. It's just being realistic,
like it would probably kill everybody in the street. Like
I can't I can't imagine too many people are going
to be able to handle that. And then how do

(01:06:52):
you handle it? It's like, what, like how do you
go about it? I don't know, just also lose your mind.
But the whole thing feels really surreal and like video
game like when when the military year posted up in
that big like manner or whatever, that big like I
don't know what you would call it, like a mansion
kind of country house, Like you would really feel as

(01:07:15):
going into that situation. I know if I was the
survivors and like these military guys picked me up in
like a military jeep and they bring me to this
place and I see like barbed wire and barricades and
roadblocks and oh yeah, literally I wrote down. They must
be driving in there thinking this is the safest place
in England, like you would be like you'd be like, wow,
we're in a big game.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
I don't like where it goes from there, with like
all the men getting very rapy and stuff like that,
because they had to think about like realisticly actually also
human nature. They have to be like we have to
keep the population going. Here's this young girl and this
other woman, you know, and then I don't like that
whole thing. And it's like I never liked that type
of stuff in movies because it was like, yeah, I

(01:07:55):
don't like that, but I feel like it was a yeah,
I love it, I don't like it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
It was a very another real choice, I think because
as much as I always felt like I was like
I already like that about the movie, the way it
takes that weird shift. I was watching it again, I
was like, you know what those chances are, and especially
if like, look, I don't know, I'm not saying I'm
never in the military, but like you've got all these
military dudes that are probably half like cracked after being

(01:08:24):
like brandshit, and then on the sailor boats broy and like, yeah,
I haven't seen a woman in a fucking month, and
like now they're in this situation and it's like, you know,
you see this young girl and this fucking shake and
you're like, well, I guess needs must here.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
It never it's never a fun thing to like see
in movie, especially when we did uh The Hills of
Ives too, that like the whole premise of that movie
is based around that idea of like, oh, well, we
have to keep our inbred family going, so we're gonna
kidnap you and impregnant you with our inbread blood.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
It's like, oh fuck, I did, Like, it's just well,
the way some of the soldiers tried to be like nah,
this is right now, I'm not because I think that
would probably happen as well. You might have somebody who
goes I'm not really I know we're in like some
sort of apocalypse side, but I'm not really into like
the whole rape thing, even though at the end of
the world here and the fact that they're like, well
fuck you as well, we don't care, like they'll just

(01:09:18):
turn on anybody. Yeah, that shot, you know, where Jim
gets out and he he breaks away, Remember they're bringing
him to like the execution place or whatever, and he
breaks away from them, and at one point he's lying
down on the ground and there's a fucking shot man.
It's so like I don't know why, but like visually,

(01:09:38):
I'm like, wow, that's like really surreal and bizarre looking
where we're looking between branches of a three of a
tree and you see a plane going across the sky
and like just the soundtrack the score right there and
that visual that was actually shot in Danny Boyle's back
guard and I think he spent two days. He just
set the camera out and just set it to record

(01:10:01):
and just recorded a bunch of different planes going over
his house and then just picked that shot out. But
it looks so real. It kind of looks like a documentary,
like somebody's like recordinger for real. And I always love
that shot because you can kind of tell he's he's
lying there and he's in the situation he's in and
he can't necessarily get out of it. But then he

(01:10:23):
kind of realizes that maybe maybe the rest of the
world is actually all right. If there's people flying planes,
there's obviously got to be more than what I'm thinking.
The world can't be over. And it's like he's there
and he's like im ae Way is so hopeful, but
then he's extremely helpless as well. It's like, well, I'm
all the way down here, so I'm still fucked, regardless
of whether the entire world and it's only England, like

(01:10:44):
let's say only England is infected, It's like, well, I
still can't do anything, Like how am I supposed to
get off of England? I don't. I can't fly a plane.
I can't drive a fucking boat across the ocean, so
I'm fucked. I'm stuck here. I can't even drive a
boat to Ireland, so I'm just fucked.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Yeah, it was essentially right. You'd be like Okay, I'm doomed.
I don't even like you're like he said that it
would be more of a survival of each day. That's it, right,
that's you kind of are like that it'd be so
grim though. Might and another big takeaw I had from
this as well, the way they use rage in this
movie more than just like, oh, the infected are rage

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driven blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
But then at the end, you see how Jim kind
of shows everybody like the truest form of human rage
where he comes back to take revenge on the soldiers.
He lets them all like he draws all the infected there,
he's letting them get killed by the infected. Then he's
killing them at the same time yea and griping and

(01:11:48):
like the scenery, he like drives his tombs into the
dude's eyeballs and like you can tell he's just kind
of like snapped a little bit. He's had enough. And
you know then when she sees him again and she's
like looking at them for a second, you don't know
whether he's infected or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good scene.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
And like, I just like the way they kind of
flipped it and like he he ends up using like
the infected's only weapon and kind of humans only weapon,
which is rig which leads into what I said before
about if the government were looking to exploit rage and
be able to tone everybody down, they're taken away basically
the only weapon we have.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Oh well, look at what's happening with all these protests right.
People are mad because of what they're seeing happening across
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Even if you were able to take away that emotion,
if you could take away that emotion from the start,
then you wouldn't have to deal with any of that
as a government like you would be able to say, well,
everyone is docile, nobody's going to say anything, everyone's all good.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
What do you think they're trying to do with the food,
the water, everything, This fucking chemtrails all the soft people.
I don't want to believe this stuff. It is, there's
patents for all this stuff. It's well documented. But what
do you think they're doing by trying to dull us out?
Or well, you know, when they're putting all these kids
on riddling and stuff back in the.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Day, it was for a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Yeah, it's scary. The there was several I don't know
if you looked intend of this, but there was a
lot of different endings that were.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
Shots I heard about that I heard about that back
of the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Day too, Yeah, for this movie. So there's one that because.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Originally when they were just hitting they it ends when
they drive off and like hit the gate or whatever.
But then I guess what Fox saw and they're like,
you know, we want to we want to put an
ending to.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
This, so they gave them money to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Yeah, So several endings filmed, the few in which Jim
is taken to a hospital where he dies from his
gunshot wound. Selena and Hannah would leave together, and it
was meant to be an open ending that would suggests
that they make it. However, upontesting it with audiences, everybody
voted that they felt like it showed that they're certain
the debt was certain for them, so they changed it

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afterwards that it didn't give off like the feeling that
like people want to hop yeah, Jim was dead and
then they were going to be okay. It more so
seemed like, well, Jim is dead and he's just saved
you guys, and now you're gone out back into the
world and you're probably dead as well, yes, and I
think Danny Boyle wanted to keep it like that, but

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I think the studio were like, we don't want something
as bleak. It's a bit. It's a bit much like
for a studio film. There was there was a version
where the mansion at the end actually housed the lab
underneath it where the virus was being made. Of course,
and now I thought this was really this was a
bit of a stretch for me. I'll be honest with you.

(01:14:35):
It was a bit too movie like what would happen
is when Frank turns when the blood gets in his eye,
Jim and I'm assuming the soldiers or whatever would like
strap him down or something. They bring him to the mansion.
They tell Jim like all the lab is actually underneath
this this house, and they bring him down and whatever.
And then I don't know how Jim just discovers all

(01:14:57):
of this, but he's like, what I'm gonna do is
I'm gonna drain all of his blood out of his
body and I'm going to replace all of his blood
with all of my blood, and I'm going to save
him and in turn give my life.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
Weird. I don't like that either.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
No, it's a bit it's a bit too movie like yeah,
you know, I think that really takes the reality of it,
like how is some dude just gonna And then also why.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
Movie this is one of the more realistic ones to
be in with.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Yeah, which I like. And how it's shot as well
is really weird, like the way some of the shots
look like a movie VHS movie yep, like.

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
Like a cam quorder.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Yeah, like even there, like you can see in some
of those shots, like it's quite it's quite blurry and
like the handheld kind of ye I see there and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
That's why I remember when I watched it on VH
because I guarantee I didn't watch this on DVD.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
I watched this on VHS. I guarantee it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Dude, if you were to show that to someone who
had no context of anything, like you, you would actually
probably believe.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
That, Like, you know, what happened in the early two
thousands there was a zombie.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Which is actually yeah, which is actually quite fucking scary
to be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
And you know what I always want for some reason,
you know, when you get up in the morning, I
want like one of those torture chamber fucking stretchers, and
it just I feel like that would feel so good
for like two minutes and then.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
Yeah, out of the sockets.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
I used to have an inversion table.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
They put you upside down. Did you like it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Yeah? And alys just get me nose bleades all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Well, I did another different way to do that stuff, Like,
I actually want to do that on strange brew for
all the fans.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
I would. I've been wanting to do this for so
long as do like the most messed up torture methods.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Actually, so many messed up ones, like putting your They
would put your balls into a thing and then squish
them to their pop.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
That's what am Before we move on to the sequel,
what are you giving this out of.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
Ten dirty infected monkeys?

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
Yeah, how many monkeys.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Out of out of ten chimps? What are you giving it?

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
Considering what it is?

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
And I don't know, I would say good eight point
five ish kind of thing, because this is like one
of the better zombie movies. You know, it is nostalgic.
There is a lot of good elements to this movie.
The fact that it's low budget and I feel like
they pull off, you know, I would say an eightish
kind of thing, like it is a fairly good movie,

(01:17:30):
and it it's just also one.

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
Of those things that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Is nostalgic, Like a lot of people may not even
watch horror movies, know what twenty eight Days Later is? Right,
So just based on that and how much like and
as long as I based on how many times I'd
watch it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
But I've seen this movie a good couple times. But
I do think it is a movie I would go
back to and watch and show my kids when they're
like teenagers or whatever like that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
It's it's a it's a decent movie. I think it's
well done. I like Killian Murphy. The acting's well done
for what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
And you know, some of those low budget movies are
way better than any of the garbage they produce now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
So yeah, eight And I think I think as well,
when you're putting that position, you kind of have to
have that more gorilla style where you really have to
like figure out and like, you know, think about things
in a different process than you would if you were
given like one hundred million to make a movie. You
just like, oh, just make everything CG so it looks
real garbage.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
At the end product, I'm gonna go and give this
I had originally written down. The first thing I wrote.

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
Down was.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Tell you know exactly word for word. I wrote that
I'm going to start by saying I'm giving this movie
a nine or maybe a nine point five, and say
that it is one of the best zombie movies of
all time, even though it's not a zombie movie technically. Yeah, yeah,
I'm going to go within a nine out of ten.

(01:19:02):
I think that's fine. Okay, So then we we get
our follow up a couple of years later. I think
it's like four or five years after the original. We
get twenty eight weeks later in two thousand and seven,
so this is six months after the rage virus was
inflicted on the population of Great Britain. The US Army

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helps to secure a small area of London for the
survivors to repopulate and start again, but not everything goes
according to plan. Released on May eleven, two and seven
budget of fifteen million, which is around double what the
original was, and box office of sixty five million, so
it made twenty million less than the first one runtime
of an hour and forty minutes. Boyle and Garland were

(01:19:48):
behind the scenes on this one. Danny Boyle did help
to direct some of that opening sequence, which I think
you can see like it stylistically feels very much like
the first one. They were executive producers. I think they
helped with some of the script ideas and things like that,
but they took a complete backstep, reason being supposedly because

(01:20:09):
I was interested by that. Why so supposedly they were like,
we just feel like we'd make the same movie again
with more money. So we were like, we actually decided ourselves.
It wasn't something that we were taking off the project
or we sold the writers and thing. We literally just
felt like, maybe if you bring in some other people,
they can make their movie in our universe, because it

(01:20:32):
needs to be different. We can't make that same movie again.
It can't look the way it looks. It needs to
be maybe bigger or more, or show something different in
a different way. It needs to be shot differently. We
need to have different characters. They just felt like it
would have been quite stale to just bring Jim back
and Selena and be like, oh, here's Jim and Selena again.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
I maybe would have liked that a little bit more.
Knocknna lie.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
I think the original plan was probably for them to
not bring them back so they could bring them back
in a hard movie.

Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
And now we see as weird corpse, where the fuck
that is just like coming out of the grass.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
So that's not him, it's not But why does it
look like him? I think that was done on purpose.
They said it wasn't intended to be done a purpose,
but it's actually not him.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
Weird.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Yeah, they've even come out and said that that's not him,
and they said the actor it is, and they showed
like they put his credentials and all online for Evan see,
So why do they do that? I think I personally
think they've done it for clickbait for sure. I'm sure
they're not going to say that, like, but I think
they've done it for clickbait. And I don't know if
you've been looking much into twenty eight years later, but

(01:21:38):
uh oh dude, they're doing a lot of like cool American.
There's like a I'll have to send it to you.
I don't know what it's called, like the virus leaks
or something. I think it's called. There's like a website
and like you put there's a password, and you have
to figure out what the password is. You put the

(01:21:59):
password in gives you these files that's like about some
of the stuff that's going on in the world now.
Weird as it's sat in twenty eight years later. Strange,
but yeah, you can definitely feel all the shifts of
tone I think in this movie from the first one,
like that that opening scene. I live fucking love that

(01:22:19):
opening scene.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
Though it is pretty good. There is issues I have
with this movie that the same issues my wife has,
and we'll get into when we get further down the road,
but the opening scene is pretty gnarly of them, kind
of just we obviously are aware that something's gone on.
All the windows are boarded up.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
And they're kind of just eating over dinner and you
kind of just like get right into the movie, which
I do enjoy in that aspect of it. They're kind
of talking, you have the kid come to the door,
and then it more or less all hell kind of
breaks loose.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
But that opening scene is pretty great. And then obviously
you have like the dad, like that scene.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Where he like looks at his wife as she's like
what the fuck, Like you know, he's leaves through the
door and leaves his wife behind. During the whole big
opening scene of the attack of they've let in the
boy now, and then obviously the boys brought probably all
the zombies with him, all the infected, and then it

(01:23:18):
kind of just like ramps up from there and you
just see, like obviously the beginning the people within the
movie kind of get destroyed in the matter of like
five ten minutes, right, It's like they're showing these characters
and then they die instantly pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
So, how do you feel about don in that moment?
Do you agree or disagree?

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
I think he could have done more to save her,
But even my wife was like, leave that stupid kid
behind me. I'm just why do you try to look
for the kid? Like you don't owe him anything? But
it shows that she has that. The woman in the
movie has like a good heart, right, she's trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Like, yeah, but how did your wife feel about him
leaving her behind or how did you feel about it?

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
Interestingly enough, Chelsea was like she should have just left
the kid and went with the husband and stopped doing
this dumb thing of like like you know, is your
you have you either survive or you don't, right kind
of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
I don't think. I think he didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
I think he didn't necessarily need to leave her behind.
I feel like he could have went and grabbed him
really quick and then shoved them in through the door.
Who knows, given sacrifice himself. But realistically, like we even
we both said we were like, if he would have stayed,
he probably wouldn't have survived anyway, he would have been
killed with his wife. And then so once again, then

(01:24:40):
you find out that he has kids, right, and it's like,
does he sacrifice himself for his wife that is running
around trying to find this little boy she has no
connection to and probably and couldn't save. Obviously anyway, maybe
if the dad intervened, maybe, just maybe they could have
all survived. But the fact is what we see in
sects session of what happens when he runs away and

(01:25:02):
then she gets killed like in the window, it would
have been pretty hard for him to save all three
of them, like himself, his wife, and the kid, and
she kind of damned herself.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely, I definitely feel that. For a
long time when I used to watch this, I used
to go, fucking scumbag, I hate him, He's a fucking
happ believe he done that. But then if you think
about it realistically, like you know, it seems like a
scummy move. It seems like a scummy move, but you know,
put in that circumstance, most of us would probably react

(01:25:34):
that way if you really think about it. You know,
he wasn't that much of a coward. Really, He's the
first one to swing with a crawlbar while the others
just run away. Yeah, he really gets put between a
rock and harpliss by his wife to be fair, which
doesn't help. And then I suppose he has that, like
you just said, that initial choice between potentially dying in

(01:25:55):
a somewhat inescapable situation over some random kid, or choose
to live for a own kids, which is what I
think the wife should have also readized that meant like
we need to live for our kids. So as you know,
as horrible as I'm sure she has that maternal instinct,
you have to decide to hold on the what's more
important my maternal instinct in the moment for this poor

(01:26:16):
random kid. Yes, it's shit, but like I've also got
two kids that I don't know. They're in a different
country now, and like I need to make sure that
I can see them again right now.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
That's like the choice that you're gonna have to make
right in some of these uh these situations right. And
even that scene where he's running is pretty gnarly, Like, honestly,
I've probably dude, I probably have seen this movie years
and years ago. I don't really remember it. I probably
watched it when I first came out. I probably haven't
seen it. If I even have in like a decade

(01:26:45):
or something like that. Maybe more so I want watched
this not remembering really anything at all.

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
And there is that scene where he's running.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
It is pretty gnarly and scary that he's like they're
they're pretty fast and he just booking it and you
see him coming over the hill like you're adrenaline would be.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
Through the fucking roof.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
But the thing is too with recently, like you bring
him up again, Like I was listening to listen to Jeremy.
He's like the only podcast I really keep trying to
keep up with. It can be kind of depressing because
he really shows you how bad the world really is.
And he's just talking about like those the people I
think they'll survive some of these events, like like a
big revolution or a civil war. He's like, you don't

(01:27:28):
realize how much that stuff takes out of you. Those
spurts of adrenaline tire you out, especially if like he's like,
you think you will be able to survive when you
have an eight you know what I mean, You have
like barely any sustenance and food, you know what I mean.
And then like those spurts of adrenaline actually tire your
body yet worse. And then so you're on that boat,

(01:27:49):
he'd probably have to like lay there for a second
catch his breath.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
And as he's like even the way he's like when
he first gets in the boat and he kind of
they're jumping on it and stuff, and the other guy
to trace he tries to pull him in and he
gets ripped away and as he kind of gets a
little bit away from the zombies or whatever he's gonna get. Yeah,
like it would I can't imagine what that would feel
like with all them, And like.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
That's a really good job, not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
His acting is Robert carl Is. Yeah, he's he's a
great actor. Yeah. It's fucking scary though, man, to see
how fast they are running behind him. And then like
you said, it switches to that that shot where not
only are they behind him now we see all the
ones coming over the crestal hill and it's like all

(01:28:37):
my fucking Like, that's like the stuff you know when
you have a nightmare as a kid or maybe even
as an adult, where you've got stuff like I've definitely
dreamt of things like that, being chased by like these
things that never stop. Or I'm punching somebody like my
punches aren't affected him, and things like that. Check that
like surreal feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Yeah, check out everybody. We did Me and Marie that
we keep I keep pushing Aaron to bring on the
show because she does her own kind of movie podcast
is We did a two part about dreams and like
the creepy facts behind dreams, and then we talked about
nightmares and like the kind of hidden meanings behind a
certain nightmares, like being chased and all that stuff. And

(01:29:18):
I I dream very vividly a lot, even last night,
Like all my dreams are pretty vivid. And dreams are
a weird thing, dude, to begin, because you can dream
scary like you could watch this movie before bed and
then I've done that. Me and my wife have watched
a horror movie before bed and we both literally are
dreaming about the horror movie and like what we like,
what would happen if we were there? Stuff like that,

(01:29:40):
And it's crazy how like cinema can program that into
your head like that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I would love to have
a dream about like a concept like this. I'm not
gonna like I've always I've always been fascinated by writing
a script for a movie that's based around a kind
of a unif first like this.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
I'll be honest, Yeah, yeah, look at when they're like
it's like they're looking it. It would be cool to
be a zombie actor in this stuff and be like,
look there I am.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Another thing as well, I think that's vastly underrated is
the cinematography that shot where the camera pans over him
so we see him at the edge of the frame,
but you don't see what he's running from yet, and
then it goes completely around him so you can see
what's behind him, and then it tracks back again so
you can see the stuff coming over the side of

(01:30:32):
the hill and it's all following in like one swooping shot.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
Yeah, it's great, even though when he's in the boat
in the water, like how the cameras like sitting base
level with the water and stuff like that, and it's scary.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Dude, that's wild. Yeah, I always love that open I'll
be honest. I can't say it just it feels as well.
Really in the vein of the first movie.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
Yes, I'll let you carry on before I give me
him in my wife's opinion about certain things that like
this movie didn't really need to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
I did also want to shout out, actually, so the
director is a guy is I'm going to butcher these names.
Let me pull it up here so people can if
you are watching this, you can also try along with me.
One Carlos Fresend Freshenadillo.

Speaker 4 (01:31:31):
A dildo.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Yeah, give a shout out to him. I think he
done quite well.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
And there was one other person, Jeremy Reiner in this,
which is cool, like that's before he was really famous.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Yeah, I see those people like comment going like, oh
Hawkey is in this man?

Speaker 4 (01:31:51):
Yeah yeah, I know, of course, because that's what he
is known for now, address ilbar whatever the hell that
guy's name is.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Yes, even the score, he's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
There's some uh, there's some pretty big names and and
and some I feel like Jerry Ryner wasn't even that
famous at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
He was a biggish name, but not like but not
like today. Yeah, amazingly bigger.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
And even Harold what's his name, the guy that plays
one of the military dudes, he's he's he's been growing
as an actor and he did that them or they
whatever the hell that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
Show is that horror show? They them skiddy but uh
that whatever that that horror.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Sho oh the guy who yeah, yeah, the guy who
plays Flint in the yeah, in the something like that
in the helicopter.

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
So initially there was an idea to have this movie
called twenty nine Days Later, and it would have been
set in the same timeline, and that would have picked off,
it would have picked up after the end of the
first movie, and it would have had.

Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
I wanted to see that just because of killing right,
That's why I know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Yeah. There was another idea that was set in the
twenty eight days of the Outbreak.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
So oh yeah, yeah, saw a different storyline in that, So.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
We go back the twenty eight days where Jim is
asleep or in a coma. Oh, that would be cool too,
And I would have seen that, and it was going
to be set around Yeah, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
They could have had like a shot of him in
the coma bed and then end it like at the
end of one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Yeah, they could have actually brought it right up to that.
They were going to make it about a team of
marines who were sent into London to either save an
extract the Queen or the Prime Minister, and then you
were going to see how it wasn't just going to
be like an action movie, Like they weren't just going
to go in and shoot everything, and everything was going
to be perfect with explosions. It was going to be

(01:33:45):
you know, these four or five guys get sent in
and very quickly they realize, oh, we're like disposable here,
and this is not the way we thought this was
going to work.

Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
And the queen shapeshifts into a reptility it and bites
the heads out.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
They realize, yeah, they get into the they get it
to a Buckingham palace and she bursts out of her
suits into regreat tile just flies away. I did think
as well, the concept of repopular and somewhere in London
was still quite eerie to me, Like it's that would
be very hant and I think having to come back

(01:34:18):
and try and pretend like ever, ring's all right after
something like that, and then, I mean, we've seen how
people were after after the big sea word. I don't
want to bring it up. I don't want to say
the word, but like after that thing that happened in
recent years, how scared a lot of people genuinely were when.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
You for not rocking this right direction?

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Yeah, but do you know what I mean? Like, and
it's and it's not some people. I don't even blame
them because like you know, the like, yeah, the likes
of my grandparents and stuff like were for a long time.
Now they've gone the other way and they're completely on
the opposite side.

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
But they talked like you're gonna kill your grid.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
Yeah, and like they felt like that. I remember bringing
them out like when things started like ease down, and
like they were just like, I just can you just
bring us back home.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
I'm just and I got I got segregated from my
own family because of this stuffy My grandma's like you.
I was like, I'm healthy, I'm young or whatever. My
Grandma's like you're the ones that are spreading it, And
I'm like, no, no, no, that's not how this is working.
I have I know, I have my own thoughts about
that whole thing. Aaron knows, but I don't think it's
what they think. I don't think it's what most people

(01:35:24):
think actually was going on, not a lot of regard.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
I do think Robert carl Is is fantastic in this movie.
He plays Don actually the.

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
Little boy, know the dad.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, I love him. And Jeremy Renner is
quite good as well well.

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
And you see the shift of characters, like you see
the saying about like the shift of when he gets
infected by by the mom or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
Once we'll get to that, but like how it is
just this thing of like snap, okay, it's not like
you die and then come back like in other zombie
movies where they're dead.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Yes virus when The thing I liked about it as
well is is there's no like emotional like, oh my god,
he's been bitten. We have to like cry over his
body and then kill and do all that and I'll
kill me, escape and save yours. There's none of that.
It's that she just he kisses her, the spickeetts in

(01:36:19):
his mouth and then instantly he's like smashing his head
off the fucking wall. And that you bleeding. That scene
man is fucking scary, and he plays that so well.
He looks so scary.

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
Can we talk about this? My wife's like the whole
thing in mind too.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
It's like this movie didn't need to happen because if
the kids weren't stupid enough to leave like the quarantine
center and then to like go home, and it shows
obviously this idea of human nature or whatever. But if
they didn't go to that house, right, and they didn't
go looking to find like and go back home to
their own house, and all the dangerous things they did,
including yes, going to get the moped, all those things

(01:36:58):
that they shouldn't have done, you don't know who's affected
out there, just because because they claim that it's you
know that the affection has been gone, but they don't
know that for sure. And then essentially all those lives
of all those people in that quarantine center that the
military set up, you killed because of your own stupidity.
Even when the movie ended, Chelsea was like, that didn't

(01:37:18):
need to happen. None of that needed to happen. It
was those stupid kids' fault. And there's numerous times in
the movie where the kids were just fucking stupid and
they weren't like, they weren't doing what they should have
been doing. They ran the wrong direction, they go another place,
they go looking for their mom. All the things that
these kids did to essentially destroy the lives of probably

(01:37:40):
hundreds of other people because of their own stupidity. Even
in the like ending where they're like, you know they're
in the soccer field and football field whatever, it is,
like all of those scenes, there's so many times where
I'm like, it's your fault. You did this, and now
you're crying over it. You literally did this to yourselves
because of your stupidity.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Yeah, yeah, there's true or something like.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
That's the whole movie, is their dumb, stupid decisions destroys
everybody's lives.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
There's parts of it you kind of have to just
like kind of just I don't know, I hate.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
Movies like that, Like even horror movies. It's fucking slasher killers.
I'm like, that's not the way you want to go.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
What are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
Like, I know, people panic, and it's like in the moment,
you know how you're gonna react with this like wholesome
loving scene there, you know, I were showing you right now,
them driving through the desolate city and there's no nothing
there and then.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
They go, I don't know if i'd, like, I'll be
honest with you, I don't know if i'd do that either,
Like even though I know they say and like the
US military have said, like, oh, you know, the last
infected died six months ago or whatever. If I was
a kid, I would ship that time.

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
I wouldn't be wanting to like leave and go and
then just.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Go just in that tower block, I just chill out.
It's fine. I'm up nice and high. Hopefully not and
gets up here.

Speaker 4 (01:38:59):
Yeah, I know ing around the city.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
The shots of the city and stuff, and the rail
line that they had built that's like raised up so
like nothing can get to it. That brings them in.
And like the idea that they're going to live in
tower blocks, so it's all like protected and everything is
kind of up high. We're not at ground level because
ground level is dangerus if things go wrong. Now, the
flip side of that is when things do go wrong,

(01:39:21):
being up high didn't really mean anything because if ground
level as fucked, you can't stay up forever. No, So
essentially that's not always going to work either. I did see.
Lots of people as well brought up that like, well,
how does don have access to get into her when
she gets brought back to the lab and whatever? And
she should have been under armed guards and she should
have been this, and she should have been that. I

(01:39:42):
do agree with all that, like, but I think there
has to be unfortunately a way in. So the only
way to do that was like, obviously there's not very
many survivors that were brought back yet, and he happened
to be one of them, and this is how he
got this job as like the caretaker of the whole building. Yeah,
you know, you have to make some way for him
to be able to get into here. And I think, look,
if you kind of I suppose suspend someone at disbelief

(01:40:05):
there a little bit, you can make the the argument
as well that like he's probably panicing, going ship. The
kids are gonna find out that I fucking ran.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
Yeah, you find out the mom is alive, and then
you're like, they're gonna it's gonna come out.

Speaker 4 (01:40:23):
That he just like dipped out. He's like, what you
said mom was dead? And he's like, well, I saw
like window.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
I get like that he was lying to them to
protect them and whatever, and he didn't, I.

Speaker 4 (01:40:35):
Wouldn't kiss her about it, nothing happened.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
It's yeah, it's a weird one. And he obviously doesn't
realize yet that she has anything or can pass anything
to him.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
And this is why, oh damn man, the whole thing
of him going to like see her and then he's like,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and this is like I.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
Don't know if I would, I would that would might.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Be they're trying to push the human nature thing again,
I think where it's like he completely disregards any safety
protocols because he's like, well, that's my wife, and now
my kids are gonna hate me because I said that
she was dead and she wasn't dead. And now I
feel and he's probably been dealing with that guilt all
along of being like maybe I could have fucking saved her.
Maybe if I had done this, Maybe if I had

(01:41:21):
a double back, maybe if I had done something else,
maybe if.

Speaker 3 (01:41:23):
I every Yeah, you try to rationalize and also blame yourself.
This happened so often with people in everyday life of
like I could have done this, I could have done that, and.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Like it's like I think, especially as well as as
a dude, and as like the dad and the man
of the house, you're kind of expected to like know
what to do when everything goes wrong, and then when
you're kind of like, I'll be honest, right, I could
probably see myself making the decision he makes to run
like that, and then I would probably feel or for
the rest of my life I would be thinking like

(01:41:55):
I'm some ship bag coward, like I should have been
able to, like as a man, I should have been
able to like fucking fucked those zombies up and like
save my wife and like everything will be great.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
Realistically, he probably would have died to feeling.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Yeah, well, what would have happened there is she probably
would have gotten infected or whatever, but she's asymptomatic, and
then he would have been ripped the fucking shreds, so.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
She survived anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
I do love as well when he when he when
he kisses or whatever, and like how vicious he becomes,
how how quick and just like smashing her the pieces
and punching the head offer and stuff. I think it
was like it showed like the level of rage and
it doesn't. It switches instantly like there's his wife who
he was willing to kiss and risk everything for and
now he's like punching her head in and that switches

(01:42:46):
well from like the calm kind of oasis to complete
frenzy when he gets free. I love that scene. And
when we see is a Drea's character Stone, he gives
the order. He's like, abandoned the target and just shoot
anyone at ground level. We're going code red and like
the snipe. The sniper dudes are like what and he's like,

(01:43:06):
just shoot, shoot everybody at the ground level, just kill
and again. Right. That always reminded me of the video game.
Every time I was looking at I was like, wouldn't
it be so bad? Asked to be a sniper up there?
And you're like shooting zombies? Wouldn't that be cool? And
that'd be fun? How about would it be ought to
be terrible? Yeah? I knowing that, like at some point
I have to come off this roof.

Speaker 4 (01:43:25):
Yeah, I know, because if and you run an am
all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
That would be grim. Yeah. The Code red thing it
shows as well, like how disposable we really are, and
that like you know, characters like Captain Stone or whatever
he is, he's just kind of like a product of
the time where he doesn't care. He's just like, yeah,
code red, kill everyone. I just there's no like all
those there's some people that are not infected. It's like no, no, no,

(01:43:51):
when shit hits the fan, we're just gonna kill everybody,
doesn't matter. I don't care. And then looking at how
they panic as well, because you can kind of sense
that as well, that those military guys that are in
like that what do they call that when you're in
when they're in a room barracks, Yeah, but they call
it something where they have like those like kind of

(01:44:12):
impromptu like set up. I can't think it'll come to
me at some point, but how you can tell like
a lot of the room we're kind of panic and going, well,
my man, that didn't work. Shooting them all is not
working either. It's spreading way quicker than we thought. They're
killing our men. They're turning into infected.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
And it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
Yeah, yeah, like it is pretty like how fast paced
it goes from like everyone's in full panic mode and
then you're just like it's just.

Speaker 4 (01:44:42):
Like boom boom boom, boom boom, Like you see.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
Soldiers on the ground, everyone slaughtered. You're running past all
these dead bodies, like and eventually, I'm sure they will.
They were gonna wake up with this virus and then
it's like you're pretty and like I said, these stupid kids,
it's their fault.

Speaker 4 (01:44:57):
And then when they're like your fault, you did this,
your fault, take ownership.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
And again, like there is there's definitely undertones there as well,
Like I mean, the virus not only destroys the individuals,
but it also kind of you can see they tried
to like rebuild society and like just in one fell Swoop,
it's destroyed that society again and it kind of shines
l like on like I suppose our arrogance as like
as people to think that we can control nature in

(01:45:29):
a way, you know, control and rage. It's like not
actually possible.

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
Look, they tried to do They're gonna like even the
stuff with the weather, right, Like people might not believe this,
but there's one hundred percent patterns of this and and
it's called geo engineering.

Speaker 4 (01:45:44):
Look it up where they've like you know, do Bai
admitted to it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
They put all this like you put burium aluminum oxide
into the sky and other heavy metals and it produces rain.
Dubai admitted that they did this and then it caused
a massive pretty much like hurricane, and they were like, oops,
we fucked up. And it's like, yeah, stop fucking with nature.
Stop trying to control gods. Whoever developed this simulation or

(01:46:12):
whatever the hell it is, stop trying to fuck with it,
because eventually it's going to fuck back up. Always said
that you fuck with Mother Nature enough, eventually she's gonna
be like, no, no, this is my playing field. I'm
just gonna erase you off of my body because you're
nothing more than a virus on Mother Earth, right, mother.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Guy, as the indigenous would say. Right, And that's the
thing I think I we are the real virus. Just
as scary, to be honest, is the fact that you know,
if something like this was to happen, or like you're
saying about controlling the weather and stuff, it may not
always be their intention to have some big, huge disaster,
but then they don't know what they're fucking with either,

(01:46:48):
and then if something happens, you actually don't know how
to like contain it. So like this, they were fucking
around with a virus.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
God.

Speaker 4 (01:46:57):
Yeah, but I don't believe.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
I believe in a different But like let's say, let's
say that's the story. Let's say that's the actual effect,
and that happens, and then very quickly you see like
it's like, oh, we don't actually our contingency plans don't work.
We actually can't contain any stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
Gain a function should not be a real fucking thing.
That's absurd that you're like, Okay, we have this virus.
Let's see how much we can weaponize this virus, because
for the people that don't know, gain a function is
a actual, real thing that should be banned across the planet.
You shouldn't be able to like mess with a virus
and just see, oh we have to see because it's

(01:47:31):
usually done for by a warfare and stuff like that
of okay, well China is doing it, we need to
all do it too, or whatever. And it's like, how
deadly can we make this virus for buy a warfare
because the other side of the world, some other country
is doing it, so we need to do it faster
than they can do it. And then you're like, you're
a fucking innot You're going to destroy the world with
your inetitude to actually realize what you're doing, you know

(01:47:51):
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Like it's so crazy, man, Yeah, and that's that's probably
the scariest part for me, to be honest with you,
humans be be inhuman, yeah, pretty much, and like them
the fact that they go code read like pretty much
instantly as well. It's another like, look at the whole
human nature thing that I don't know, being right or

(01:48:13):
winning at all costs, and you know, it's it's that
thing again. What I like about this is we're watching,
for the most partly normal everyday people just being crushed
under the way of something that they can't overcome. Versus
in a lot of these movies, we're watching heroes overcome

(01:48:36):
insurmountable odds, if you know what I mean. Like you'll know,
like you'll be introduced, say to a character like Doyle,
and it's like, you know, he's going to be the
guy that's gonna kill like five hundred zombies on his own,
and at the end he's gonna like fly away in
a helicopter on some and say everybody Whereas what I
kind of liked about these is he didn't really know.
I'm like, I don't know who's going to live or
die here, to be honest, because it just seems like

(01:48:56):
the thing is fucked.

Speaker 4 (01:48:58):
Jeremy Ryner's character.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
I know, right like that, and that was something actually
that I never it never clicked with me either. But
you know when he says to them, I'll meet you
guys there, and he gives himself up or what he
goes out to like push the car. So I did
never picked this up till I was listening to something
about this. And if you look at that, supposedly when

(01:49:22):
he says when he turns the scarlet and he says
to her, I'll meet you guys there, he does just
like kind of his eyes kind of open a little
bit wide as much to say, like, just agree with me.
And then when he gets out, he leaves his rifle
and his guns inside the car, which makes no sense
because if he's gonna run somewhere, he's obviously gonna need
a fucking weapon sacrificed himself. Yeah, so he obviously knew

(01:49:46):
that he was completely fucked when he was getting out anyway,
Like there was no point where he was like, yeah,
I will actually be meeting the kids.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
This is your fucking fault. Don't forget it. Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
I literally just turned around with the with the fucking
rifle and put at their heads and you're gonna do.
You're gonna get out and you're gonna push me in
her and then you're going to get burned to death. Yeah,
fuck you.

Speaker 3 (01:50:07):
I think is their fault. There's so there's a couple
of movies there like this. I can't think of another one,
but I feel like we've even talked about Rube like
this round, Mike. If these people didn't do a B
and C, this movie would not exist. It's because of
like the stupidity of like obviously humans, and that's like
part of these stories is like human nature and what
people will do and get involved with out of their

(01:50:30):
own stupidity and ignorance, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
Mm hmm. I think as well scared it is going
to be the one. She was going to be the
one actually to get out and get burned to that.
Originally in the script, really there's going to be the
woman and then they were going to leave the kids
with with Doyle and then he was going to get
club to death by the dad. But suppose when they
looked at the scene back they were like, the audience
probably won't be well, yeah, they felt like the audience

(01:50:55):
wouldn't be as scared for the kids if they were
going underground with a fucking yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
That's another scene, pretty gnarly when they're underground and they
only have the night vision.

Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
Pretty pretty cool, pretty bold choice, but it worked out
and it was creepy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
I just love a lot of like the aesthetics of this,
like how they were able to shoot some of these
scenes and genuinely make it look like, yeah, the place
was abandoned and like they were trying to rebuild it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
For for all intensive purposes or whatever. That's where I
want to phrase that. I do think at some point
maybe I'll write something out for Strange Broom. We'll do
like a big fun live stream about zombies now, because
that would be a fun live stream thing, even if
we said basic breakdowns, just because like it is interesting
to ponder about how it would happen.

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
What would you just survive? What type of viruses could
it be? Would it be a kind of virus like
we think it would be, you know, me and Billy
kind of alluded to this stuff. Would it be like
a a shot or something, right, a needle? Would it
be this that? Would it be a virus that breaks
out when they're mutating things?

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:51:58):
Like this idea? Like you know the AIDS was creating
in a laboratory. People don't want to believe that that's
a fact. You can easily look into this stuff. People
say the fifties, but even ill Bill as a Library's
like ninety seventy five. They create aid and sign a laboratory, and.

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
Like all that stuff is probably true, Like Fauci had
something to do with it, supposedly, and they just like
take a virus mutate it. You know, like this idea
that oh, somebody fucked a monkey and then it Now
it's probably a lot like this movie where they're messing
around with things they shouldn't be and then all of
a sudden it breaks out and you're like, ah, pretty strange.

Speaker 4 (01:52:31):
There's a lot of coincidences not.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
Yeah, And you're never going to take the fall, that's
the thing. You're never They're never going to double down
and go you know what, guys, hour fuck up. You're
just gonna try and do whatever, and you'll just kill whoever,
You'll just remove and whatever you think is the best
course of Actually what's happened.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
Throughout the last couple of years, even around the world, right,
no no government official has been held accountable.

Speaker 4 (01:52:51):
You're kidding me, it's never gonna happen. They don't believe
the accountability.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Even in this movie when when they go Code Red
and they starts shooting Livy and Stone, relizs, shit, that's
not really what akin either, and then he's like, right,
let's just fucking napm everything, Yeah, this whole area, let's
just the section here, let's yeah, let's just bomb everything.

Speaker 4 (01:53:10):
And oh yeah that was wild too.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
I'm like that's probably what would happen though, to just
keep going. Scar starts and just go, I don't know,
let's fucking just blow everything up. I don't know, nuke whatever,
and you're not really coming up with a solution.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Like it's true, that's like the Samson option Israel. If
Israel's existence is threatened, Uh, they plan to nuke the world.
That is in their own writing people, So like that's
how far they'll take stuff if if people choose to
push the same way. You know, people don't know what
these governments are really doing. When it's like messing around
the Russia and all this stuff, like if somebody, one
person gets nuke, they're gonna press the nuke and everybody

(01:53:45):
gets nuked, and that we're all done because of our
own like the especially the government's self interesting greed and control.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
And stuff, and they have all the ego and everything
comes into it. Then I was, I don't know if
it was Danny Boyle or someone. Then we're talking about,
like you know, people talking about the decisions made within
the movie, about character choices being stupid and things like that.
They we're like, look, there's a certain amount of like
we have to just create situations for the story to progress,

(01:54:12):
or there's no possible way to be able to expand.
But he was like we did. There was a lot
of talk about like trying to make you know, people
being incompetent and like preventable disasters, like another horror of this,
and like how the human mind works, you know, he
was he said, humanity is selfish and willing to jeopardize

(01:54:34):
the well being of the entire population for their own
personal whims emotional comfort and individual survival. And like they
tried to use this. Now I don't know if they
convade it as well as that, but that was kind
of like the top process they had was, well, when
people are put in a position where they can get
instant gratification or it's something that's really personal to them.

(01:54:57):
They tend to not in that moment, not tend to
think or care about anybody else or repercussions. You just
it's like when people cheat or whatever and you go, well,
I'm not going to really think about the other person
right now. I'm just going to cheat. And then as
soon as I'm finished, then it may dawn on me
that oh, whoops, that was a really bad idea.

Speaker 4 (01:55:15):
I know, right, And that's when we see this all
in real life, where like maybe we shouldn't, you shouldn't, Yeah, yep,
and then it's it's it's too late then and then
what happens? I know? Then it's like a doom and
like and that's why it's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
It's like all these people, it's like wow, like and
putting their faith into like government structures in general, whether
it be a movie or real life that they're like, oh, yeah,
they're gonna help and save us. No, no, no, they're
gonna save themselves. They have bunkers, billions of dollars, they
have planes, jets, black helicopters, all this stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:55:48):
If they think, if they think their existence is threatened.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
They will nuke everybody and then save themselves and come
up in fifty years when and then rebuild the little
population that they have left using fucking goddamn robots.

Speaker 4 (01:56:01):
Right, that's the apocalypse that we're really heading into for people.
That's like that robots.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
I don't know if you've seen that thing where I
don't know if it's in China or somewhere where they
have that factory now that runs twenty four to seven
and it's in complete darkness. They're making they're able to
make a phone a phone per second, and it's this
giant factory that's in complete darkness because it's all it's

(01:56:26):
all automated, so it doesn't need lights, and it runs
twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. And
like obviously they have you know, a skeleton crew to
go in and like maintain machines and stuff and make
sure everything is working or whatever, but like there's basically
no workers.

Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
They're gonna face this out of existence. It doesn't matter.
Like Trump and Elon are on board with this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
Do you know what's mad? Though? Like we used to
laugh at things like when you used to look at like,
you know, terminator and stuffing like that, and like you
look at like cyber dying and Scotty in it and
go haha, that's so fake and it's so ridiculous, ha
ha James Cameron. And now it's like the more I
look at that, the more I'm like, wow, it could
actually end up like big scars start or we're getting
like shot with this or beams and stuff we don't complay.

Speaker 4 (01:57:07):
Well, it's kind of like a Hawaii man not gonna lie.
It's already kind of happening.

Speaker 3 (01:57:11):
But like, you know, they're making fucking dog robots with
like machine guns on their backs and stuff like that.
Like people, you realize that what they're developing now is
only gonna be used against us as the only reason
they want to control the mass population.

Speaker 4 (01:57:24):
These people are that crazy if people don't want like
you think movies are scary, and you think movies are
like you know, oh, that could never happen. Bro, that
can never happen. It's gonna happen. We're gonna allow it
to happen. You're gonna watch it happen. I've said this
for years. Don't worry all these people. I think that's
just fake and conspiracy theory stuff. No, No, you'll watch
some of these movies that we've watched come very very realistic.

(01:57:47):
There's crazier things going on in the world right now
than some of.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
These movies, which is fucking scary. Well, why did you
think towards the end, you know, when you see, uh,
we see Flynn's helicopter again and then it's like in
Paris and you see like the infected running.

Speaker 4 (01:58:03):
By helicopter tower.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
No, right at the end where you see like that,
obviously the infection is after spreading to Paris. Oh what
do you think of that? I thought that was a
really good, like kind of open ended ending in a
way because it was like, now, not only have they
fucked up those kids, not only have the kids fucked
up what happened in London a second time. Now they've

(01:58:29):
gotten in the helicopter with the dude and he's brought
them to Paris, and now they've fucking infected Paris as well.

Speaker 4 (01:58:35):
Yeah, it's all their fault right now.

Speaker 3 (01:58:36):
But that scene with the helicopter coming down with cutting
up all the zombies, that was pretty narly actually.

Speaker 4 (01:58:42):
I like that. I like as well.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
What I liked about that as well was he didn't
just straight up go oh, I'm going to use this
helicopter with chap people up. He made that decision because
the dude jumped on the fucking and with a guy.
He's like, no, I'm taking I'm taking Doyle, but I
can't take passengers. I've been told not to, like we
won't be allowed back. And he's like, oh, I don't
know what to do. And the dude just jumps on
the side of the helic after he just brings him off.

Speaker 4 (01:59:08):
Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, And like I said, this whole
movie is these fat kids. This is the thought of
the kids. And then they like not to destroy everything
because of these damn kids. There's a lot of these
kids didn't exist or they died, this movie wouldn't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
Yeah, I know, right, and everyone to be fine. There's
there is a lot of like subtle choices and this
is well. I listened to the director's commentary with the
two guys. I think they're Spanish. And so the scene
where Don is sitting with the kids and he's explaining
what happened, you know with the mother, remember before she's

(01:59:45):
found member He's like, oh, you know, I saw her
die or whatever. So they I didn't realize it, but
they thought about this a lot more so. Up until
that point, we're seeing a lot of the camera angles
were done in the handheld kind of it's very like
jerky and like the cameras can moving freely. And in
that scene it changes if you look at it, two
completely static shots, so it's looking directly at the two

(02:00:08):
kids and then it's looking over their shoulder directly at
the dad's face. And then after that, when like you
can tell they're a bit like, what what do you mean?
The camera goes above and we're looking down and he's
sitting on the on one chair and he's like pretty
far away from the kids, and they're both sitting in
the same chair beside each other, and they're like we

(02:00:28):
wanted to kind of convey that, you know, how how
far apart they're drifting, and the fact that the kids
maybe don't truly believe what he said or felt like
maybe they felt like maybe he should have maybe died
in the process of trying to save her, which I
did never I would have never ever picked up on that.

Speaker 4 (02:00:48):
Yeah, that's cool though, little things that they would have done. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
I do like the way they at least try to
do that. I love the change of pace, but a
lot of people like didn't like the lack of character
exploration from the first one. Like, I mean, Donn and
Alice get brought back together and then he's infected and
she's dead two seconds later, and that's like around the

(02:01:14):
forty minute mark, and like there's two very appealing and
deep characters that are just kind of gone because he's
infected now and she's like, well, she's dead, so she's
not important anymore. Him gouging her eyes out as well,
I think might have been like an undertone of him
not being able to like take like her eyes looking

(02:01:34):
at him, or not being able to look her in
the eye after that.

Speaker 3 (02:01:37):
In fact, that's kind of true because it shows that
scene where she's like looking at him.

Speaker 2 (02:01:41):
Like what the fuck? Yeah, yeah, And I do think
it's probably two vastly different movies.

Speaker 4 (02:01:52):
Yeah, I think this.

Speaker 2 (02:01:54):
Yeah, But answering the same quest or the same problem
with two different answers kind of that makes sense. Well,
here's a random piece of information, right that nobody's going
to give a shit about. But I just thought i'd
bring up and let everybody know. So joined the containment
breach where the sniper's on the rooftops. One of them

(02:02:16):
on the radio if you listen mentions foo bar right
f you b a ar radio.

Speaker 4 (02:02:23):
You know what that means, fucked up beyond all recognition.

Speaker 2 (02:02:27):
M I didn't notice.

Speaker 4 (02:02:29):
I was like weird.

Speaker 2 (02:02:33):
I had Yeah, I had no idea about this that
it was coined by the US military during World War
Two and it only became popular because it was used
in a saving private line.

Speaker 3 (02:02:42):
I would like at some point to do an off
brand episode about There's a movie called food Bar one
and two and it's like a Canadian comedy movie. If
you've not seen it, it's actually pretty funny. The first
one is shot like a documentary style of these two
like kind of all Burton Canadians, and it's very it's
pretty funny. If you've never seen a look up. Food

(02:03:04):
Bar is a lot more funny, a lot funnier fun
whatever the phrase is, uh, but it's uh. They're good
comedy movies because it's just about these like drunken Canadian
dudes that don't really give a fucking or poor and
and then there's like a there's a twist at the
end of the first one how it's filming a doc
and you just see this twist happen, and it's like
kind of dark.

Speaker 4 (02:03:24):
It's a dark comedy. You you would probably respect it.
You probably like it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:28):
I'll look it up after this. That's fun. Did you
you know when there's the nighttime scenes in this when
the movie gets going and not at the start afterwards
like halfway true, Let's say, did you ever find that
the nighttime scenes were a bit weird?

Speaker 4 (02:03:44):
Yeah? It looked kind of weird. Yeah, so, and I always.

Speaker 2 (02:03:48):
Remember that being a thing. When I first seen this movie.
I was always like not that I didn't like it,
but I was like, nighttime scenes always feel a bit
weird to me, Like I can't see it improperly, or
I really have to, like kind of like follt.

Speaker 4 (02:04:01):
Movies, especially like watching in the daytime, decide.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
Yeah, that's like it impossible to see. So I think
I figured out why that is. All the nighttime scenes
were shot in the daytime, because so they had to
come up with some process that they created to do
this because the kid was only like fifteen or something,
and they weren't to have a film with him at night,

(02:04:25):
and they needed it to look like London. The rest
of London was still like you know, isolated or whatever,
so they couldn't have any lights on in any of
the buildings or street lights. Weird, So if they had
a film at night, obviously they had not, Like they
couldn't just go to the English Council and like turn
off all the power for the city till we're ready.

(02:04:46):
So yeah, so suppose they shot all that stuff. Now
I don't I'm actually kind of fascinated to see how
it works. But all of that was shot in the daytime,
and then they must do something with the image or
something to make it look like night.

Speaker 4 (02:05:00):
Dell it, that'd be hard. And then you one can't
see in some of the scenes because you're bringing down
the brightness and stuff in the contrast.

Speaker 2 (02:05:06):
Yeah, like there must be a difficult task. I would
have thought that would have been more work, yeah, be honest.
But yeah, like some of my final thoughts, this was
actually this morning, I was listening to the commentary in
the roll Down. Growing up in Ireland and spending so
much time in the UK too, there's a real scariness
that I can really relate to when seeing a lot

(02:05:27):
of these places, streets and locations void of people. Even
still watching the clips of it this morning, there's that
shot I was talking about earlier with the kids.

Speaker 4 (02:05:38):
I don't know, there's still.

Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
Something about these for me, man, every time I watch
them and I see scenes like that, but in particular
some of the like the countryside scene at the start
with the house and stuff, I think growing up in
a place like this, you can really it's really unsettling
to see that because you're like, I feel like that's like,
you know, just down the road, or that looks like

(02:06:02):
where I grow up, and it makes me really uncomfortable
every time I see it. And then, like you know,
obviously a lot of what we've talked about things that
are going on in the world and people are becoming
more aware of things. It kind of scares me about,
like someday, will I be looking at that for real?
If that makes sense. Like some of the shots were careful,
you know, like some of those shots where you were

(02:06:23):
talking about, well, you know, where the kids go out
to like find their old house or whatever, and we're
seeing them. I'm trying to pull them up here for
people who were watching them.

Speaker 3 (02:06:32):
But well, I think about fifteen minute cities all that stuff,
people think it's that convenience that they can can control
us through convenience, Right, that's the idea, more convenient than
you can get by a robot for twenty five thousand
dollars and it will fucking wipe your ass for you
and do your laundry and suck you off, and it's
just like yeah, until it fucking bites your dick off
and then slaughters you and then goes down in the

(02:06:53):
neighborhood and starts killing every human in its path.

Speaker 4 (02:06:55):
Like yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:06:56):
I don't think people realize the direction that we're headed
because now I think the elites, the parasite, whatever the
fuck that people in charge. I think they want AI
to solve all the problems. They're like, We're like, we
don't know what to do. We're just gonna plug some
things into AI. See if it comes up with a
solution that we can take a dominance and control over
the population. I think they're reliant there. They want to

(02:07:17):
create a prison controlled by AI. They want to create
a world that they can be gods and rule over
through like a simulation type you know, VR goggle headset,
like already plan were.

Speaker 2 (02:07:29):
Those are the things the concepts that scare me because
what happens is, though if we continue to go down
paths like this is that the people that were should
be fearing and like not trusting of right now will
potentially potentially are not potentially definitely get removed from the equation.

(02:07:49):
And like you know, with something like AI, for example,
if AI gets to a point where I really hope
it never does, but it gets so intelligent that like
some than like Tarminate or doesn't seem as ridiculous anymore,
where you know, something like cyber nine decides, oh, I
don't actually need my creator now, so I can just
kill everybody.

Speaker 4 (02:08:10):
Like some sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (02:08:11):
Like It's not the same thing you know in Dune
where the guy gets brought up when he's like on
that like thing hooked to him or whatever. It's like that,
But imagine if the AI is controlling all the like
shadow Elites, the roth Childs and all these other like families,
it goes to a point where the they're just plugged
in to the cyber or whatever it is, right Skynet,

(02:08:31):
and then they're just controlled by the AI and they're
nothing more than puppets and there's no real humans in
charge anymore. Yeah, that's the matrix type thing, right, Like
we're you have ready player one is like just before
you think about the matrix happens where everyone's going in
too like plug into their pods and eat their bugs,
and then all of a sudden, the machines take over

(02:08:52):
at some point and they don't need you anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:08:54):
They don't need you to be convenient in your like
little pod because they'll just take control and they don't
need human anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:09:01):
And yeah, it's quite scary. And I have one really
quick thing I want to bring up and talk about
really quick before we finished this. But what would you
rate this movie out of ten rage viruses or whatever?

Speaker 3 (02:09:15):
Like I seven It's that the kids shouldn't have done
what they did. It's like there's some plot holes that
could be readdressed, and there's different ways they could have
taken the direction.

Speaker 4 (02:09:24):
Of this movie.

Speaker 3 (02:09:25):
Overall, it's a decent movie. It's a fun horror movie.
It's fast paced. There's some pretty cool scenes within the movie.
I'd say a seven point five is kind of thing
like it's for a horror movie. Overall, in a zombie movie,
it's pretty decent, but there's obviously like, man, this didn't
need to happen.

Speaker 4 (02:09:39):
These stupid kids.

Speaker 2 (02:09:41):
Yeah, if I can remove the fact that that glaring
plot hole. Other than that, I'd probably give this an
eighth or a night point five just for me personally
true rewatchability, and like, like I said, there's something I
don't know if it's living in Ireland and haven't spent
so much time in London, there's a sort of an
eeriness or every time I put it on, I'm like, oh,

(02:10:02):
that makes me like really uncomfortable. I don't know what
it is, you know, And I suppose it's like that
thing that like I can't relate to. You know, if
I watched a movie and it's Toronto or whatever's closest
to you. Yeah, it's like getting blown to pieces. I
can't relate because I haven't lived there. No, I know,
you see somewhere near me here.

Speaker 3 (02:10:22):
I'm like, it's kind of we kind of look similar,
but we don't have Our countrysides look.

Speaker 4 (02:10:26):
Kind of different. It's just it looks. It just looks different,
how to explain it. But our farm land looks different.

Speaker 3 (02:10:31):
There's a lot of different elements of like what our
cities and stuff look like, but similar because Cana is
at eurocentric same of the United States used to be
a Eurocentric society and civilization that was built am out
of wilderness pretty much right, So like, uh, there is
reflections in some of the architecture and buildings and stuff
like that, but it is a lot different. See the

(02:10:53):
look of Ireland, especially in your closed off little towns,
it is, uh, it's different. We're starting to become more
like that, but because they need to house everybody in
a small little spot, right, But similar but not same,
same with different.

Speaker 2 (02:11:07):
So yeah, a lot of why we decided to do
this now and why this will release in the same
week as the new movie is because of that. I
suppose it's become somewhat relevant again in the zeitgeist. We
have twenty eight years later coming out and things like that,
and I think it's probably the perfect time to revisit
these and talk about some of those subtexts and the
things that people don't talk about. And then hopefully we'll

(02:11:28):
be able to the new movie comes.

Speaker 4 (02:11:32):
Out, I will not be able to get out to
a theater.

Speaker 2 (02:11:34):
I'll have to pirate June June twentieth. I think it
is ll be like.

Speaker 4 (02:11:41):
Maybe twelve days old, thirteen days fifteen.

Speaker 2 (02:11:43):
So hopefully sometime in July went back one of the
first things we might be able to record is like
maybe a forty five minute like chat about the new
one or whatever and how we feel about how it
fits in, because they've obviously announced that this new one
has been announced as a trilogy, so we've already got

(02:12:04):
this one is coming out, So it's twenty eight years later,
is coming out on June twentieth, twenty twenty five, and
they've already said I think that February twenty twenty six
is going to be twenty eight days later. Yeah, twenty
eight days later. The Bone Temple weird, that is what
it's going to be called. So there's a cult element
in this, I think, and I think it's something to

(02:12:24):
do with survivors, people who have managed to survive.

Speaker 4 (02:12:27):
This Mcbrian Charing Tatum in.

Speaker 2 (02:12:30):
And it's come I don't know, I don't know, Yeah,
I don't know what way this is going to work out.
But there's this website that's called rage leagues dot net
and you could only find out about it if you
watch the trailer. There's a flash of something that comes
up in the trailer and it's literally like a millisecond.
But obviously people who love this shit, like someone Freeze

(02:12:52):
was after Freeze framing it, and they saw this, so
they found a website and then you had to solve
some fucking thing.

Speaker 4 (02:12:58):
Late nineties early two thousand, Yeah, used.

Speaker 2 (02:13:00):
To really leaning back into that stuff, like and so
then you have to figure out, like what the password was.
So the password is Memento moriy I think. So I'm
going to just try and submit this and see does
it actually work? Oh so it Oh weird, Wow, it
must be wrong.

Speaker 4 (02:13:21):
Make sure you type it right. Weird valid credentials.

Speaker 2 (02:13:31):
So that was the supposed So I thought we were
going to get Yeah, I thought we were going to
get to see something coolder.

Speaker 4 (02:13:40):
Aaron fucked up.

Speaker 2 (02:13:44):
Yeah I did. Now I've ruined it all for everybody.
Page's password protected with Adam and hardcourt. It's us her name,
blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (02:13:54):
Wow, Aaron didnto your due diligence. I'm cooking a ham
for everybody, big old go grease of ham covered mustard, mawma,
and I gonna go make the bass a little bit
brown sugar word.

Speaker 4 (02:14:08):
Yes, Shash, did you get it?

Speaker 2 (02:14:11):
Okay? So it was that I must have been typing around.
So we have there's some sort of a countdown clock
thing that says twenty seven years, forty six weeks, three days,
seventeen hours, twenty five minutes and twenty six seconds. What
is really happening behind the blackade?

Speaker 4 (02:14:28):
And then we have.

Speaker 2 (02:14:31):
I assume these are click on one click on images weird. Okay,
so life on patrol Sammy X love X, and so
it's gonna.

Speaker 4 (02:14:42):
Get some of the character development.

Speaker 2 (02:14:44):
I'm guessing weird for fox seconds in a different language.
Is this in finish because wasn't the plane at the
end of twenty eight days later? Remember they hear somebody talking, yeah,
and it's a finish pilot. Probably it Okay, it's trying
to put on that surveillance report. Comedy on threat level,

(02:15:07):
low emergent activity load tidal Island provides increased security and
long range view of threats, stable social order, keeps community secure,
zero attempts of breaking quarantine. Also, this is the island
I think that the story of this new movie is
gonna be based on. So it's an island like out
in the middle of the water, and there's like this
weird land bridge that like appears and disappears when the

(02:15:29):
tide goes in and out. Weird and this is how
they're keeping themselves safe. So you can see there, you
can like there's an image and you can see the
land bridge that goes into the mainland. I don't know
how this will all fit in. I'm actually really interested
to see how, like what they come up with this.
So there's a message here as well. It says the
virus brought us more than rage, sorrow for our last home,

(02:15:52):
the guilt for the ones we left behind, the righteous
indignation for the secrets being kept from us. It's been
almost twenty eight years since the outbreak and still not
a single shred of truth about what's really going on.
They say it's to protect us, it's for our own good.
After all this time, water it is still hiding. They
classify satellitees, They forbid any communication with the survivor communities.

(02:16:14):
They suppress rumors and discredit reports that somehow the infected
have adapted. They don't want us to see, but we
must bear witness all of us done. Dun dude. It
seems really on point though, like like, yeah, life now
it's kind of scary.

Speaker 4 (02:16:32):
Yep, yep, yep. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what
it's like.

Speaker 3 (02:16:35):
Man, I'm glad we did this and stuff, and you
know it's uh, I think it's appropriate considering the world
the time, the movie that's coming out, so it should
be uh, you know, obviously support the show to everybody
out there, you like, like subscribe all that good stuff,
like you're little things that you guys can do.

Speaker 4 (02:16:52):
It means more to us than.

Speaker 2 (02:16:53):
You know, man, yes, please do you know, like share support,
let us know your thoughts, agree, disagree with us or whatever,
but do it in the normal. We don't have to
like fight and argue. We can just do it.

Speaker 4 (02:17:02):
We have to heads off each other for little inscrepancies
or different points of views. Right.

Speaker 3 (02:17:09):
The whole idea is like what we've lost a lot
of times is this connectiveness where people have been so
polarized by political propaganda they can't have a conversation anymore.
A lot of times, like I've openly try asked people
that debate me, nobody will, But like, yeah, if you
want to have a conversation, want a debate about this
stuff and why you think the ways you do and
why I think the ways I think I do. Is

(02:17:30):
like it's about having a conversation. Nobody can rationalize anymore,
and have a conversation because they.

Speaker 4 (02:17:35):
All have been brainwashed. That's the real apocalypse.

Speaker 2 (02:17:39):
Yeah, yes, he said, Like I said, if you've gotten
this fire, guys, we do appreciate you as always, you know,
like a share or subscribe, but whatever, it goes a
long way. Eventually, hope to live off the show. But yeah,
keep an eye out. We will continue to have episodes

(02:18:00):
out and Tom will be on a little bit of
a hiatus for a while, but you won't. You guys
won't notice any difference. And hopefully here with my show too.
In mid July, we'll be able to reconvene and we'll
get a we'll get a stream out there or an
episode out there review and twenty eight.

Speaker 4 (02:18:15):
Years later I might have to pirate it.

Speaker 2 (02:18:18):
Yeah, well we'll figure something out. We don't. We don't
condone pirate. We don't.

Speaker 4 (02:18:22):
I actually say we should.

Speaker 3 (02:18:24):
You should support the movies and leg the cinema if
you enjoy it, right, some especially horror.

Speaker 2 (02:18:29):
By that I'll go to see it and I'll I'll
call you the whole movie just.

Speaker 4 (02:18:34):
Like be uh you are getting a camera you know
from scary movie. You're just like so and then spoiling
the movie. I heard what she says A saying about
like I heard Romeo kills Juliet or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:18:45):
Get I remember when, like when that used to be
the thing. Though. I remember being in Chinatown in New
York and I would get pirated DVDs or video taps
actually at the time, and I remember getting Spider Man,
the Sam Raimi Spider Man, and like it didn't That
was back in the time where movie came out like
literally weeks if not months later in Ireland. I came home,
dude with this Spider Man tape. Right, I had no

(02:19:07):
idea if it looked like garbage or what it looked like.
And like I was like hot shit in town. Everyone
was like, oh my god, you have fucking Spider Man. Now,
I won't lie and say it. In two thousand and two,
I wore that shit out and like I watched them
a million times. Everybody I knew watched them a million times.
It was the biggest pile of trash. Like it was

(02:19:29):
like someone filmed that like on like the first phone
ever invented, and they put like vasline across the camera
and like it was just the blurriiest crooked like the
cameras like sideways I could see like dudes heads. I
could hear people talking in the background, and.

Speaker 4 (02:19:44):
I was like, wait for that stuff. They're like, oh,
this was I'll watch this. But we all had tiny
little TVs and stuff too.

Speaker 2 (02:19:51):
It just seems so cool. But anyway, we're in the
modern age now and we're all gonna be ruled by
robots and years to come. But yeah, for now, I
appreciate every We appreciate the audience, like share, subscribe, and
we'll see you really soon. Peace everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:20:10):
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