Rebooted Nightmares: Revisiting Elm Street 2010

In this episode, Aran and Tom dive deep into the foggy dreamscape of 2010’s A Nightmare on Elm Street reboot — a film that dared to recast horror icon Freddy Krueger and reimagine the franchise for a new generation.

With Robert Englund stepping aside for Jackie Earle Haley’s darker, more sinister take on Freddy, the reboot introduced updated visual effects, modern horror sensibilities, and a much more controversial origin story that split fans down the middle.

We explore the production choices, the tonal shift, and the legacy (or lack thereof) of this infamous remake. Was it a misunderstood update or a soulless clone?

Tune in as we dissect the dream logic, the backlash, and the future of Freddy’s nightmares. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
One two Freddy's comment, But in twenty ten he came
back with a new face on a darker edge. Tonight,
we're looking back at a Nightmare and Non Street remix.
Was it a dream come true? Or a nightmare best
left forgotten? From the controversial new Freddy to the film's
brutal reimagining, we're diving deep into this divisive rebooks. So

(00:46):
don't fall asleep because Class Horror Cast starts now.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
You think you could hurt me?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Do you think you could turn back to him? Do
you think you could to life?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Are you? I'm your nightmare?

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Night Mayre on Elm Street starts April thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
And he is coming for you, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, that's a that's a weird one that we're gonna
have to I was thinking about this actually earlier, like
how to kind of gloss over that or like how
to like say it or not say.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
It, that they really opened the door to that he
was like a pedo and like, yeah, before it was
just kind of hinted at it, but in this one,
they really want to open the door. And as much
as I wanted to see a movie of explaining what
happened to him and is the background, uh, we'll get
into it. Actually I'm not gonna say anything. I I
won't we'll get into But I did not like how

(01:55):
they're like kind of went towards like it wasn't his fault.
He just like love children. It's like, Okay, let's not
to go that direction.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
You know what's weird? Right from like, uh kind of
diving into this movie again, I definitely have some different
thoughts that I originally had, some better, some worse. But
I see a lot of people who kind of have
done the same thing that we're probably about to do
and try to give it another chance and like maybe
you know, maybe pull some positives that like you could

(02:29):
have gotten from the movie that maybe didn't see the
first time. But everyone seems to really hinge on the
whole like pedophile thing.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
They didn't need to like go into that explanation of it,
like with the amount of like like the CGI and
the graphics that they I think they did overdo a bit.
Are you having a heiny? Yeah, I'm having a just
pure scotch.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
But what do you what do you always call that.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Hi heiny kin heine?

Speaker 3 (03:01):
No, but you always call me like Bill Gates or something,
isn't it? Oh?

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Yeah, because your moves because he sponsored that company and
put god knows what into it.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
All microplastics, just two balls full of microplastics.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
It's old or not supposedly, which is crazy, man.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah it was. There's that weird guy. I don't know,
I can't remember his name. Everyone's probably knows what I'm
talking about. He's like on TikTok and YouTube and every right. Now,
he's that guy who's trying to like age backwards. Oh
I heard about that age resurface and so it kind
of looks like Michael Jackson but he does all this stuff.
He's like some sort of billionaire millionnier guy. But now
he's dedicated like his whole existence to try to age. Yeah. Like,

(03:38):
and he tries all these different protocols and then like
they do all testing on his body to see like
what's better for people what's not. And I actually seen
a TikTok this morning where he was talking about, oh,
you know, most guys want balls to steal, but unfortunately
most of us have balls of plastic. And they started
talking about like something about like there's like eight to
ten percent, like one hundred percent of men have like

(04:02):
eight to ten percent of like their fucking ball something
has like microplastics in it. And in the last like
fifty years, the increase in like the brain or something
is like a sixty percent increase of like plastics.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
And shit, dude, it's not good. Uh, there's gonna be,
there will be. I'm not gonna say it, but that's
like stuff saved for my show. But like there is
a lot of stuff that they've done to like poisonous.
We need to go back to glass because realistically, glass
like you can melt down and you can make something
new out of it no matter what, like mostly what
type of glass it is, because it's mostly all the

(04:35):
same where you just kind of you can melt it
down or whatever. But it is interesting because even like
people are like you got a recycle, you know, like
eighty to ninety percent of the recycling just goes into
the trash, like it just goes into a landfill. They
found this as the biggest scam ever, like if you
just do this, it'll help the planet. And it's like
they're like, here it can. We have to pay a

(04:55):
carbon tax. We have to pay a tax on the
carbon emission quotation that we use, which is some authoritarian
Orwellian nightmare like, and it's going up twenty percent. Essentially,
it's just used to cripple us and make sure that
all of us stay poor and happy and own nothing
like they want. But it is crazy when you still
look at that. Like a kid at work was like

(05:16):
we'd I was joking about him. He's like twenty. He's like,
my nuts are full of plastic man. I was like,
we used to drink like out of copper. Copper cups
are really good for you. Stuff like that. Great, my
duck's freaking out.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
One that's huge. It's usually malastic balls.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yeah, yeah, I already got those second away, which I
didn't even really want to do in the first place.
This is a class forecast. We go off topic, much
like my show about weird things that at the beginning,
but it is like crazy. We live in a crazy world.
And this is also kind of a crazy movie that
they tried to pull off in general, and it's just like,
I have so much stuff to say, but like.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, like I said, it was first, I'll probably start
with just some general housekeeping. Maybe this for some reason
you don't know any of this or like I've never
seen it, but it's a twenty ten American supernatural slasher
film directed by Samuel Bayer. This was his feature directorial debut,

(06:14):
which is kind of mad that they give him this franchise.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
That did you do anything else memorable?

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Let me see, that's something I probably checked beforehand. So
so he's done write a shit ton of music videos
before that, like he he's done the music video for
smells like teen Spirits. He's worked with Ozzy Osbourne, He's worked.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
With Spirit is not that hard man. They're just on
a stage in a high school.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
And it's not a lot of Green Day stuff. Offspring,
Pearl Jam, The Cranberries, Good Charlotte, Mike, Chemical.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Bombs and the Guns and the Bombs.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
David Bowie done a lot of commercials.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Cranberry's is irish, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (07:01):
The only Yeah, the only movie he ever done was
On the Street and then he's been attached to several
other projects. Get Character About two thousand, remake of starring
Sylvester Sallone, a remake of Vanishing Point, a cancel remake
of Near Dark for Platinum Dunes, which I think might

(07:22):
have gotten canceled after this whole thing with this, I
think the Platinn's like, I think we're going to get
out of the business of rebuilding things now.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yeah it's terrible, but yeah, like it is, one great
thing is not a great thing. But you know, Hollywood
literally is known for recycling stuff. That's all they do.
If they know, like, well these people spend money on
this before, we'll just do it again. That's all they
do all the time.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, I know. Yeah. And and this kind of what
I was going to say next kind of ties into that.
It was originally to follow the same design Platinum Dunes
on the remake Friday at Thirteenth, where the writers took
the best elements from each of the films in the
original series and created a single storyline with them. Eventually,
they decided to use Craven's original storyline, but tried to

(08:11):
create a scarier film. To that end, they decided to
remove the online, equipping Freddy, who would become less scary
and more comical over the years and bring back his
darker nature. They developed the character to be a child molester,
something that Craven wanted to do originally in nineteen eighty four,
but changed to a child killer instead. His physical appearance
was changed with the use of computer generated imagery to

(08:32):
be closer that of a Burns victim. Because of the
positive experience as Platinum Dunes producers had in the area
and Nightmam Street was filmed primarily in Illinois, Craven express
his displeasure with this when he was consulted on the project.
Robert England, who portrayed Freddy in the previous eight films,
voiced his support of the remake and the casting of
Hayley in the role of Freddy Krueger.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
So f Wes Craves like, I fucking hate Illinois, I
don't want to fucking film there.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
It had its word premiere in Hollywood on April twenty seven,
twenty ten, and was theatrically released in North America on
April Tardie it by Warner Brothers Pictures in New Line Cinema.
Despite mostly negative reviews, the film grossed sixty three million
domestically and one hundred and seventeen point seven million worldwide,

(09:21):
makes me itsest grossing film in the franchise.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
That's crazy. It's because people wanted it. They like people
wanted it to be good.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
And I always say this, they already have your money.
Than at that point, you've already like once they get
over that initial like, they've got one hundred and twenty millions,
so don't give a fuck.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
When was this twenty eleven, twenty ten ten, so right
after the Friday thirteen to remake, which I think was
like we said, we're gonna harken back to that that
because it was around the exact same time they rebooted
both at the same time. The two thousand and nine
was pretty gnarly, like it was a pretty decent movie,
not like I hate when they go, oh, they just oh,

(10:00):
they do so many things with CGI and it bothers me.
And I've been watching stuff for The Dark Castle Deep
Dive that we'll be getting into and they do that
with those movies. So it's like as soon as we
have the CGI in in, like you know, computer graphics,
they like overdo it a lot. And it is interesting.
It made so much money because people wanted it right
and they want like people love the Member Napsue franchise,

(10:23):
and there's it's a loyal fan base like I was
excited for I remember hearing about it. Uh, and I
had high hopes because I like jack Healy raised his name.
I liked, Yeah, Jackie Earl Haley, he's amazing as Rorshak. Yeah,

(10:44):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Trapped in here with you, You're trapped in here with me, like.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
It's that movie is so sick, Like I think he
got this role off the back of his performance.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
As it was so good. And I will say one
of the notes I did write was, I will say
the voice is fine with me for Freddy it was
fine with me.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
I was like, okay, so it's funny, right, it's funny
you say that. So I had written down my literal.
First thing I written down was so I'm gonna say
something potentially controversial. Jackie Earl Haley was actually really good
as Freddie Bard. A strange choice for his voice, which
I am pretty sure is out of his control, as
it was altered in post to make it sound more supernatural,

(11:25):
which is not my found out afterwards that the producers
are like, no, we want the voice to sound more supernatural.
I actually don't have an issue with the voice at all,
only for and I was only rewatching like key scenes
that really about an hour ago. I don't understand. There's
times like there's a part where he has Nancy on
the bed and he's that whole like sexy creepy thing,

(11:45):
but he's all like, I know, I don't like it.
But then even like there's times like where the chick
falls asleep in the classroom and he's likely then I'm like,
why is it you?

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Oh yeah, I know. I agree the way they kind
of I.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Feel like they've altered the audio so much to the
times he's literally just going, oh, I'm like, I don't
know what you're saying. Really embarrassing.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
It is funny because like I and I wrote this
in like succession of like when I was watching it,
so at first I'm like, the voice isn't like it's
not terrible, and well, I want to get to the
makeup later. I hope you have some photos of it.
You're fucking better. But like even in the right when
you get into the film, I would it's kind of

(12:33):
this instantly starts out cringey of him, just like sitting
at the diner. Of course, is at a diner. Always
gotta be at a diner at the beginning of a
movie for some fucking reason. And then it's just like
he's like, oh, I'm falling asleep with the diner. It's
like trying to stay away drinking the coffee. Like I
get that.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
It's like, man, coffee, I'm at the diner, Get me
a coffee roll.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Why wouldn't you just, to be honest, why wouldn't you
just do drugs? Why would you just do cocaine till
your heart explodes. You're gonna die anyway by some supernatural
child molesting freak? Why not just do coke until you're
like on a bendor and you're like, you don't sleep.
I knew dudes that wouldn't sleep for fucking weeks. Man.
I know dude that didn't have sleep for two weeks
pretty much because of cocaine. Why does do that? You know?

(13:14):
It's like promoting times if you're in a horror movie
and you're chased by some child bluster, and it's true
that like Wes Craven made him a child murderer, right,
and the idea is there's very far in between. We
know this when we cover stuff on Strange Group podcast
is that it's a lot of times it's a both. Right.
It's like they're only they're getting to the kids to

(13:35):
molest them and then they get rid of the evidence.
And realistically, if your evidence is a little smaller than
a full sized human body, it's a little easier to
get rid of. Ask Chris Watts, you know what I mean,
until you like somebody traces it back to you. But like, realistically, right,
we just did uh which probably should be getting close
to out, but it's on audio, but to be on

(13:56):
videos the Ian Brady and Myra Hindley episode, like they
were their purpose was to have the sexy time with them.
It was too malessed.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Rightly, You mentioned Wes Craven there, and I had written
this down specifically because we talked about this in the
previous Friday the Thirteenth reboot kind of and I found out.
So Wes Craven signed the sequel to franchise right away
when he made the original, just under the agreement that

(14:28):
he could get the original even financed in the first pass.
So that's how he kind of was able to get
the first movie made. Was he just signed away the
rights any future sequels or a franchise if you see.
I think he didn't know. He was like, I don't
know if this is just like going to disappear or
will it be just a one hit wonder? And I'm
willing to I have no other way to get it
made other than to sign away any potential ip. So

(14:52):
he does that, right, and I'd written down much like
the story we heard about the Friday the Thirteenth movie
from two thousand and nine. You line called the movie
a sequel rather than a remix, so they didn't have
to pay Craven money for having story credit on the
original script. So remember we were given, and me specifically,
I was given a Victor Miller a lot of shit

(15:13):
about like complaining. And remember he tried to sue the
producers of that reboot in two thousand and nine. Yeah,
I remember, I was saying, like, oh, that's gone back.
He just seems to suit anybody that mentions for the thirteenth.
But then reading this about Wes Craven, I mean, it's
not out of the realm of possibility that this was
the thing that like the lawyers come in and went
right away. There's a loophole if you just call it

(15:33):
a sequel, even though it's a remix, we don't actually
have to pay the original writers.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
Any money, which I think is wrong.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Scummy.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yeah, it is scummy there, But what do you expect
from Hollywood? And who controls Hollywood? But like this, this,
I you know that. I like Wes Craven. I like
what he's done. I don't like necessarily sometimes where he
just put his name on something and he would be
garbage because it's just his name. He just puts some
money behind present. Yeah, yeah, which I really want to do.

(16:02):
We're gon do like I think I should. It should
be more of a crossover, but I would like to
do a whole like essentially like on Strange. We would
call it Famous Dead, which we haven't done a long time.
There's a couple of things I want to do going
forward that we should actually go back to the Famous
Dead series. But like I like to like I when
I was a kid, we talked to this. I loved
Wes Craven. I wanted to be a director like that

(16:23):
was in my that was my thoughts of like when
I grew up. God knows, I didn't know i'd be
doing this ship. I didn't know what podcasts were at
the time, but I wanted to create something. I wanted
to create. That was the idea, right, whether it be
through music or directing. That was what I was like,
I can be I want to be a director, and
then I found drugs and women and that didn't.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Really go whe but like anys like, maybe maybe I
could have been myce Craven had I have not done that.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
I know, but who knows what the future holds. There's
like stand up comedians, I get famous when they're fifty.
So maybe me and you will just be like this
like crazy directorial duo when we filmed The Apocalypse what Happened?

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Dream? That might actually work out even better though, because
you've lived a good portion of life, You've gotten over
some of those things that might be holding you back,
and then you can just like live out your dream. Yeah,
it's this movie as well. Basically, I think Ruined like
any further like twenty and tens remakes or whatever. It's

(17:27):
just kind of I think this movie just put a
big like.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
Well and the things you want to why Wes Crave's
got pissed and like Robert England kind of you know,
like promoting it and like being fine with it. I'm like, no,
like we should be able to get his money from the.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah, I don't think Robert never really said like I
think before he came out he was like, oh, yeah,
I don't mind it. And the only thing he really
ever said seemed to be I'm quite happy with the
idea of Jackie Earl Haley being Freddie.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
And the thing is, if you I don't think I'll
ever listened to it, but I would love to talk
to roberting on one day while he's still alive. But guy,
have a signed poster back there. It's all fallen over.
But uh, he could have done it one more time,
especially at this time, you had one more in you,
one more and it could have been like incredible. And

(18:20):
I do think there is like now I think about it,
there is this problematic story where they really do focus
on the child moles station shit a little too much,
like it is a weird like even like the I
like when he's like running over and he's like and
it shows like him with the kids in like this
very like like false background in like very green grass,

(18:44):
like everything's happy and wonderful and you know what I mean, like, uh,
you should bring it up on screen because it is
like a weird thing, because even watching it, I'm like,
it is weird, and like you see him, it was
Freddy Krueger. He loved you guys. And then it shows
like the janitor or something. I think he was the janitor,
but the other guy like taking the picture and he

(19:04):
was behind it all happy and gleeful, and I'm like,
I don't know. I think that was part of the
problem of the film, was really trying to like accentuate
on this idea of like, yeah he was, that's what
he was. Sure, do a movie all about that, but
don't like bring it. Didn't they didn't necessarily need to
bring it into this movie as much as they did

(19:25):
of this like almost trying to make it a twist,
you know what I mean. Yeah, look, he's a nice
child that far.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
I was like, I don't know, man, I am he
was looking at this as well, and you can definitely
see I think when you when you kind of look
at the movie and it's nor of those things like
you I think when you watch so many movies, especially horror,
you can kind of tap the straight away. What's that
for happening in the sense of like, I'm sure you
watch a movie now and instantly you'll go I know,

(19:55):
it was loads of studio interference here. There was probably
lots of executives that were going like, well, I think
and he should do this. Well, I think Freddie should go.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
I think Freddy should be a black guy.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's that thing like I'm like, I think we should
make Freddy trans But yeah, Like, there was fifteen drafts
of this movie, and the final movie supposedly is a
of four different scripts. So they got four of their
favorite scripts and went right, let's mash all these into
one script. And that sounds like a really good idea.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Why they need to do that to all these movies money?

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Actually, there was a sequel planned because it's done so well.
At first they were like, I think before like the
audience really went to town on it. I think initially they
were looking at the numbers, going, okay, what we meant
thirty five million and we made like one hundred and twenty.
So this is it's the most money any Nightmare onund

(20:52):
Street film has ever made, and it was the most
expensive budget for any NIGHTMAREUD straight movie. So I think
they were like, Okay, let's make a sequel, and they
were going to focus on I think it was kind
of going to go back in time. It was him
going after like the parents mm hmmm, yeah, which but
then that didn't make sense because then we've seen it

(21:13):
in the future and they then parents were still alive,
so it was like, I don't know how that was
gonna make sense. The opening sequence of the sequel would
have expanded on the flashback when Krueger died, which would
reveal that he was taking a hospital where he would
have succumbed to his wounds. It was originally planned as

(21:33):
a trilogy, and supposedly two other people who were considered
for the role of Freddie pretty closely were Billy Bob Thornton.
Can you guess who the other one is? I'll give
you I'll give you three guesses.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Where is that? Uh, what's that guy from nos Faratu?
The new one? William William Dafoe. Nope, because I think
he could definitely play if ready.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
This is a guy now who looks really fucking odd, really.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Odd, John Travolta.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
I'll give you, okay, I'll give you a clue. I'll
really narrow it down. He's in mister.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Deed's Oh that weird, like that weird butler guy.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
No, anyone that looks even weirder than him than mister Deeds.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
Okay, it's not one of Adam Saylor's friends. There'll be
no way. Okay, the guy plays.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Cecil fucking crazy eyes. Oh why yo?

Speaker 4 (22:41):
I will pay to see Steve as Freddy Krueger.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
I'm like weird?

Speaker 4 (22:48):
Ai, Oh man, can we I can create that? That
would be so funny. I'm I can fight it. Oh man, that's.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Scary, right I I personally think if they were to
make Steve By as Freddy Krueger, it probably would have
ended up looking like that anyway.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
So terrible man, so terrible, like so bad. Oh man,
there's no there's none, but it would have been so funny.
I'm gonna I can, I gotta a I think I
can use. I'm gonna try to make it. Show me
Steve as Freddy Krueger. Uh, Like that is wild? Dude,

(23:28):
was gonna play Freddy Krueger? That's so cool.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Heaven's Bacon, Kevin Kevin Bacon. His name has been like
floated around for a long time as like Freddy Krueger. No,
I don't think he's ever said anying about it, but
just other people, like audiences and like other actors and
filmmakers have always mentioned his name. Another cool thing, Warner
Brothers tried to get the film converted into treaty three

(23:53):
weeks before its release.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
Well that was a bad idea.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Yeah, and like supposedly, like I don't know whoever it
was when that came back and went, are you like,
are you retirded? You Like that's not even possible.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
W I don't understand that. They're just like I hate Hollywood.
They're just greedy, greedy. Yeah, they just want to push
out like as much and get as much money as
they can for it, rather make anything worth any substance.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
A lot of times, here's a question for you, right,
So we might have differing opinions on this because I'm
not sure where I stand. I feel like I keep
flip flopping. Jesus yo, how many for anybody wondering. Tom's
gonna send me those or he's gonna put him up

(24:45):
at some point and we'll collab on the post's weird? Yeah,
some of them are really weird, man. Yeah, that's kind
of free. It's like they live mixed with Freddy Krueger.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Steve Bush Emmy in mister Deed's is very funny. It's
like some sort of witch or something like cast a
spell on me.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, he's saying somebody's like no, I was talking to
him over there, and it's like a fucking deer or something. Yeah, yeah,
I wrote down. So the suggestion that Freddie was innocent
all along actually kind of interested me on these more
recent rewatches, but it also felt like they didn't have
the balls to say it true and then try to

(25:31):
like backtrack and go, oh, he's actually a pedophile. So like, yeah,
I kind of wonder what that story would have looked
like if you had a went Actually, Freddy is just
like a scorned like like somebody who wants revenge for
these people that thought they were doing the right thing,
like these like and I think there would have been

(25:51):
some social commentary there as well, in a sense of
like all these do gooders stepping up and being like,
I'm going to do the lord's work and then it
turns out, oh wait, we're actually wrong and we're full
of shit, and that we're going to try and cover
own tracks.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Honestly, that wouldn't have been a bad movie if they
were able to do it properly of the idea of
like this has happened so often, well probably we could
cover at some point on Strange Brewer. Anyway, it was
like the wrongly convicted because like that, uh, that's a
big thing, and there's a lot of people that have

(26:24):
been wrongly convicted and they say like something like crazy,
like I was like whatever wasn't it was something like
I'm not going to bring up this stition, but it's
like forty percent of people on death Rail were innocent,
some like someone crazy like that, Like it might be
even more a little less and uh, it would be
a good story if we're able to pull it off

(26:45):
with this idea that he is doing this out of
revenge because he because like a vengeful spirit, Like we
see this all the time, even like as as goofy
as it is and as annoying as Zach Beggins is.
We've been watching ghost adventures that like before bed and
stuff sometimes and there's stuff that they catch Around'm like
it's pretty convincing. And then the thing that always bugs

(27:07):
me is when Zach does do the thing we say,
oh I can feel it in me. It's attacking me,
and he just over dramatic.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
It's just every time he does that, though, I feel
like it discredits any of the like the potentially good
work the whole, like, oh my god, I'm getting emotional
feeling and.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Emotional and like they've caught some cool stuff and like
a lot of times there is this weird thing about
like this person wants to come out and like and
even in paranormal events of something that happens to people
like legit ones that people can pretty much prove of,
Like there was sometimes listening to a reading of like
a uh, this guy was has done a lot of

(27:43):
paranormal research followed the like a ghost essentially tell him
to go to this place. They found this open plot
they dug and there, and they dug it up and
there was bones there and then so essentially these spirits
were leading these paranormal when Vescar's to find this and
their's stories of stuff like that where it would be

(28:04):
interesting if you could do it that way and well
enough to make it where it makes sense. But they
danced around that line too much. It was like when
they do show him where he's the good guy and
he cares for the kids. He loved you guys, and
then no, he actually was like touching you inappropriately. That's
where I'm like, no, no, you guys didn't need to

(28:25):
show that. You guys didn't need to do that. I
didn't need to be you didn't need to bring that
to the forefront of the film. It didn't need to
happen that way.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
And I kind of get the more I think about it,
I kind of get what they were trying to do.
So at first they were having like wanting you to
have that emotional feeling where you're like, wait a second.
So all along I thought Freddy was this like dart
bag that was justified being like burned alive and whatever.
And then it turns out that the actual story is
the parents got it wrong and wrongly accused him, and
this is why he won't stop coming back. And I

(28:53):
was like kind of getting I was going, actually, you
know what, that's that's a pretty good like angle. And
then I think probably what they don't was somebody probably
sat there, and you know what would make it even
better if ten minutes later we went back on all
that and we were like, actually he thought he was
a child murder, but he's actually been molested in all
the kids as well. So it's like, so then you're
supposed to like double go.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
Like it wasn't portrayed well not really. It's just felt
all the ideas but like half baked ideas. I even
wrote down I love the idea of micron apps. I
looked into that someone like, that's an actual thing that
like when you stay away from a certain amount of
time that your body, your brain basically does this like

(29:35):
short circuit reset thing where it like goes it like
forces you into sleep while like you're still kind of awake.
And like people that suffer from chronic insomnia and things
like that actually like suffer from this thing.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
It's an actual condition. And I was like, but again,
it just feels like that it's way underplayed. They kind
of use it. It could have been a really cool
like plot device, and then they just like veer away
from go ah, just move on to something else.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
That's what is that My problem. The biggest problem with
this film, I do believe is uh, the the plot
and the misdirection stuff like that. Uh, but also it's
the acting. I wrote this out, I really think they

(30:23):
Oh some of the lines are super cringey. Like like
just not thought out in the way they direct them.
You have no idea what I've seen. It's just like
in the way they like it's it would be good
if they actually did it well. But then one is
like he's like the camera leaves or whatever, and the
person leaves, and it's just like, you have no idea.
What I've seen is that the beginning it was a

(30:43):
burned man with the stripe sweater.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
He keeps trying to kill me.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
It's so bad. It's just like, yeah, utilize your soundboard man,
you have the better one. And everyone's like I'm the
soundboard king because I was like, in fucking it's sometimes,
but I can do it on the fly, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (31:02):
I am. Could you make the argument right that this
is the scariest movie in the entire franchise despite all
the flaws that were obviously gonna pick up on more
stuff as we I like about dialogue that you don't
think it's the scariest one our friends close.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
I find the original way scary in this because I
watched that as a kid and it freaked me out,
especially that Nancy when he's in like the garden and
stuff like that, like and the kill scene is way
more dramatic. When what's your name dies? The blonde, it's
gonna call it a whore. That's inappropriate. What is her name?

(31:45):
The fucking her friend? Why can't Why can't I think
of this? Her stupid her stupid friend? What is her name?
I can guess.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, I can't remember the name, but I know who
you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
We're gonna find out. I'm gonna if I don't. I
really think they should have thought out the face and
made it look better. It's pretty bad, and this is
why we went down. I know it's supposed to look
like a real burn victim, but it doesn't look that great.
Can we bring it up? Because it's like, just like
I understand what they're going for and it could have

(32:23):
been better. Tina, I was like, it's some sort of
like wrror name which something's gonna get so bad as
my name's Tina, Like like when Tina's Kelsey in the
original is fucked up, she's like grabbing everything and like.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
It's just yeah, it's I don't know what the hell
that is. That's I think that's someone else's interpretation, like me.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Kate the Kate show okay, show you receive that, right,
the mass thing that they probably created or whatever. Even
his face it does remind me of, uh, what we're
hopefully gonna get into at some point. It sounds of
the lambs of like the yeah of like the burned
victim look, and it's just like, I don't know, you
should just kept to the original, like skin ripping Freddy,

(33:04):
where it's like it looks like his skin's all ripped apart. Yeah,
look at that when he smiles. It's just so bad.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Man, when he smiles always like. The problem I have
with it is because this is supposed to be a
more serious Freddy he looks when he smiles. I'm like,
that's ready goofy to me.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
I just have a problem with it. I don't think
it looks that great. Not gonna lie. Number five that
we're showing, and that's the one from Freddy when he
they stepped further and further away from the makeup because
Robert England didn't like being suffocated by the makeup.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Oh that one is terrible.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
It's so bad. But when I buy that mask, yeah,
for fun, I would, I would buy it. Yeah, But
like the scene, like the original will always creep me out.
And always I always will think that it's like it
was well done for the time especially and it did
me as a kid. And look at that. Look at
the look at the Freddy versus Jason make up compared

(34:06):
to his and it just doesn't look like Freddy Krueger.
It it looks like there's a layer of plastic on
his face or like like like silicone or like some
prosthetic you can clearly see. Yeah, I hate it. It
bothers me a lot.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
And it is sort of weird. I will give you that,
it's very strange.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
I just wish they didn't do it that way. Like here,
take yours off screen, let me show you mine.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
There's my Like that image of all is just the
goofiest looking I don't even know what that's supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Like when he's in the hallway, and why is he
laughing like that? See look at and look at this one.
It is so different from the original film in the
eighties compared to like twenty ten when how much makeup
effects you guys have, And like, yeah, this is so terrible.
I don't want to showcase other people's shit, but like
it is, I don't know it just doesn't look like

(35:07):
Freddy Krueger. We've established this character. I don't know where
the hell Aaron went, but I guess I'm still here,
Am I here? I don't know where you went.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Weird.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Oh that was weird. I heard. Oh maybe, oh you
probably changed the screen setting so it overlaid everything. But
here it just I don't know. I just want to
bring this up again, just like it is. So there's
just we've established this character, right, we know who he is,
we know what he looks like, and there's just a

(35:45):
problem with the type of makeup and what they used
is just not Freddy Krueger to me, because it is
the idea, especially with these characters like this, like they
like look at this scene, like it doesn't look good.
It does not look good.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Mmm, well, it.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Doesn't look like Freddy to me. There's just something like
he looks very scrawny and look at his his weird hat,
and like there's just something about it. Even like in
the you know, you know, I'm Dead by Daylight, Yeah,
they use that Freddy yeah licensing or something that has
to be it's really weird, and it's like, why are.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
You cheaper maybe to get him?

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Yeah, So such bullshit nobody wants that. I just want
to finish off with. I do hate it and it
does bother me. And I tried to like it, and
I tried to like even the New Glove. Don't like
the Glove either, Sorry, but.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
This time around, it's definitely grown on me. The movie
has now more. I think Jackie Arl Haley attempting to
play Freddy. I think I'm never gonna like it if
it's not Robert England. But I remember before I completely
like slated him and I was like, he's garbage, he's terrible,
way to pick him, blah blah blah. But I think
he's probably the best thing about the movie, id of

(37:04):
like the makeup and whatever other problems you might have
with it, I think him as Freddie is probably the
best thing about it. And I kept going, I wrote down,
I keep going back to how good the idea of
making him some kind of weird say this two gets
off on gas lighting and torturing the same people that
he abused, Like either lean into it or don't mention
it at all, Like you're either going to have to

(37:25):
go full fledged on the whole like weird molester. Like
he's like having a laugh by making you think, oh, wait,
we accused him wrongly, and then him being like ha ha,
no joke, I actually molested everybody. It's a big joke.
Like either say that and make it like it is,
or just don't say any of that at all. The
cinematography was really good, I'll give it that.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
I did write that down, Like some of the scenes
are cool with the newer technology, is what I wrote,
like in the snow and the stuff like that, like
even in the jail, But like I said, the acting
is something that really was lacking to me. And and
if the acting was more on point, like even just
a little more like the remake of Friday thirteenth, like

(38:09):
the at least the acting like was there, like there
was actors that you knew of, even in this one
it was kind of slightly that way, but not even
close to the same way as like the two thousand
and nine version of of Fria thirteenth. There was just
something else there, something else was lacking. Even the scene
that that you're showing of him coming through the wall was.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Very much like the original, like that's the cool, and
then you have that weird CG thing that I just
don't like it at all.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
This is my problem with when they like indulged yeah yeah,
or even done it like that way, but like not
so much like as soon as like CGI came out,
and like you can see this with like obviously Fan
and Menace and some of these movies that really indulged
into like I just make everything out of like these

(39:00):
computer genera generated images. You can see such a difference
of the quality. Even and me and you have stated
numerous times that we do like the practical effects more.
There was cool things that they chose to do, Like
I as the jail scene is interesting and different from
the original I wrote down, but I even wrote, like

(39:21):
showing the behind character of Freddy as kind of this
nice level pedophile is a little weird. It just I
even said, I don't mind Jack is Freddy, it's just
the face that just looks weird. And these are the
things I'm writing down as I'm watching it. I wouldn't
even mind doing a watchalog for Patreon at some point.
I'm just maybe me and you really like critiquing the film.

(39:43):
I do think we have a good eye for what
like is good horror and which like people can dispute
that whatever they like but I've been a horror fan
since I was ten ten years eight years old, so
watching Franks, I've been like this my entire life, right,
so it.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Is written down. Another huge, huge problem that I have
with the movie upon subsequent rewatches, like at this stage
was Rooney Mara, who plays Nancy. So all right, okay, yeah, right,
so yeah, yeah, I agree that I found out right

(40:20):
that she publicly stated that she self sabotaged her audition
and was upset when she found out she got the
role of Nancy. She even said she felt above the
role and if this was what was what her opportunities
were going to look like in the acting world, she
wasn't interested in acting at all anymore.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Well, you didn't prove you had chops to do it
in any regard to begin with, So why would you, like,
you're you're throwing away an opportunity to be in the
one of the most recognized horror franchises in the entire
fucking world. Like people in Japan, people in Pakistan, people
in all these like third world countries would know what

(41:04):
the hell Freddy Krueger is. So like, that's crazy that
you'll just like throw away like your opportunity to show
your chops, you know what I mean. I'm sure the director.
I mean some people had some input and stuff like that,
but like that's kind of like I hate people like that,
Like Jennifer Aniston when it comes to Leprechaun. We've talked
about this. I'm like, fuck, this was your first opportunities,

(41:26):
would like show people who you were, and you're gonna
like shit, I.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Like that, and like you can feel it as well
when when they rewatched it. With that in mind, I
was kind of trying to focus on her a bit
more and like I'd seen people before say like she
doesn't even feel like a final guard really, and like
you can definitely feel when you when you know that
about her, when she said something like that and then
you rewatch the movie, you can tell that she's like
phoning in the entire performance. Now, the other hing I

(41:51):
will say is, now, look, I don't like obviously there's
a lot of logistics and there's a lot of issues there,
But like I can't help but feel like if I
was the director like that, I would Now again, this
is the others, right, I'm gonna say something, So I
was gonna say, I can't help but feel like that
if I was the director, I wouldn't sit her down
and go, Okay, you have twenty four hours to sort

(42:12):
your shit out, because if you don't, I'm gonna fuck
you off the set. Like after the first day I
would have been like, I'm not shooting any more material
you in it, So I'm gonna fuck you off the
set and we're gonna get someone different, and we're gonna
have to start day two brand Is.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
He gonna fuck her or is he gonna kick her
off the set?

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Just grab her and just fucking the street and go
now which get a fucking job.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Wait, I realized she was an Urban Legends Bloody Mary,
which is also a trash war film.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Lot she she's been in other movies and like she's
been really like at a really good performances, which is
kind of a revolt.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
That movie is great actually.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
And I do think then that Michael Sierra, Sorry, I
don't know what happened. There'll be both cut out.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Yeah, is me searching this up.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
I'm looking through all the stupid movies the you know,
we were saying about the director, like why did they
get a first time Like, guy, I know he'd done
lots of work in commercials and the music videos and
all that shit, but like why did they get and
now do I think about it? Yeah? And I also
think that sometimes when studios want a certain type of
movie made, they don't want somebody like Wes Crave and

(43:26):
Running to step in, because I'm not saying Wes would
have even done it, but like I don't think he
would have, but they don't want somebody like that because
he'll go, no, fuck you, I'm not doing that. Whereas
like if you get this first time director in, you
can bring him in. He has a decent style, he
knows how to use the camera, he knows how to direct,
but the studio can basically just go, this is the
way you're going to do it, and that's it. Lick

(43:47):
my boot basically, And like you see this time and
time again. It's actual really unfortunate they bring in first
time directors to these big eyeps, just as like I
think they're just like if fucking they bring him in,
there's like we're going to tell you what to do
when you're gonna be glad to be here, so you're
just gonna do whatever we have.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Yeah, and you and you see this even like actors,
actresses I don't know. They don't like that anymore. It's
just all actors or whatever. Like you see this with
even like the chick that plays Nancy is like she's
only a couple of things, and then she was like, uh,
the Girl with the Dragon with the Girl with the
Dragon tattoo, that I'd never watched any of those films,
but that like she only did a couple other smaller things,

(44:29):
and then it kind of brought her into the folds
of things and then you're gonna like shit on it
in some way, right, So, like it is interesting me.
I hate when people do that. I'm like, you're giving
an opportunity, and it's like if you then don't take it,
if you think it's below you and beneath you, then
don't do it. Maybe it would have been better if

(44:50):
they cast somebody else, right, Uh, And like it is,
this is what my problem is. And We've said this
numerous times when it comes to like any horror any
movie in general. It's especially horror movies, because I feel
like it's just something different that like, uh, they're like whatever,
it's just it's not like an it's not gonna win
Oscars or whatever, and they just like like have so

(45:11):
many people have different inputs, and then the movie ends
up turning out way different than when it could have
originally been, especially as like a reboot remake, And there's
so many disappointing things.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
I did write down as well as CGI have. Freddy
coming out in Nancy's Wall was just incredibly awful to
me and looked so out of place and so obviously
cg that I was literally like, like I couldn't even
look at us Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
And it's so funny that like I'm not gonna like,
I'm gonna be critical when it comes to especially movies
that I really do enjoy, and like I would rather
not gonna lie watch Fry thirteenth Part five, the one
that I do low the most. Then this at least
you get that scene where you like force feeds that
chick to like blows up or whatever, like he just
keeps your feet her food Like that Shit's fine to me, right,

(46:04):
And it is interesting because like I don't know, I
try to give things a fair chance, and then as
soon as it starts to like kind of sway in
certain different were there's so many problems with this film.
There's screenshots of the film. Yeah, it's a it's a
needed scene.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
So there's deleted scenes on the Blu Ray, and then
supposedly there's others that only appeared in like like as
little clips in like trailers or like certain TV spots
or commercials.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Do you own the Blu Ray?

Speaker 3 (46:35):
I don't think so actually, which is funny because I
only like most everything, like I take them up like
really cheap, and I actually don't think I have that movie. Yeah,
Like there was like Freddy making his glove, Freddy dying
in a hospital after being burnt, which is that image
on screen right now, Freddy using Chris's body to taunt Nancy,

(46:57):
Freddie unzipping Quintin during a nightmare and coming out to
his face. Alternate ending with Nancy, Quinton and Freddy at
a church.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
There was I thought there were some weak week moments though,
to do with like the ending, and I don't know there's.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Do you know what as well? It really felt like
they were kind of kicking Freddy when he was down
his eye because like he gets brought out of the
dream world and then basically just gets killed in like
two seconds. There's like a little bit of a cool
fight for literally twenty seconds, and it's like, oh, he's dead.
Done easy.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Yeah, do you think about like even Freddy Freddy's dead,
which people like, I think his makeup is one of
the worst. That's when they're like Roberting was over doing
the whole makeup. He always was, especially after the first couple.
But when when they're doing that fight scene, he kind
of gets brought back into there. It was cool, man, Like,

(47:54):
it was like a cool thing. Like I actually like
Freddy's dead. We talked about that during our deep dives,
so you guess have not listened to watch that. Definitely
do that, but like even that scene where he's coming
out of the fire, I was like, oh, I cringey,
and I'm a cringy guy, so it's fine. But when
he's like yeah, it's like so much CG. I hate

(48:15):
that man. It's over use of that ship.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
There was an alternate ending where Freddie traps Nancy on
the bed. He reverts back to his regular non burn form,
which scares her even more and brings back memories of
her abuse.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
That's a great grand d.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
And Quintin wakes her up and Freddy is brought to reality. Laughing,
He tells Nancy he will always be her nightmare. But
before he can kill her, she hits him with a
bat and starts setting the place on fire, leaving him
to burn as he has now become the victim.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Yeah, not like I. I think I could have thought
of that when I was twelve and I was pretending
to write a whole booklet of like movie ideas I had,
and I actually put down like who I would star as,
what role was? All my friends, Oh, Zoe will play this,
Ryan will play this, Becky will play this. I actually,

(49:15):
if I can find it, that'd be very funny to
show on the show, such for a patriot thing. It's
gotta be somewhere. And I used to write down all
these ideas. I would just write out a name, like
I had one about like a Nightmare at dawn or
something like that, and I would like write down the
idea of what the film would be. And this is
when I was eleven. I think I could think of
a better idea at that age.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Than It's unfortunate because the whole thing just reeks of
like studio interference. Way too many executives that want to
be filmmakers to just on the balls, And it's like
I just I want to say, I don't understand that
I do because this happens again, like it's just like
why though, why funny? Actually, I think it is growing

(49:58):
on people more immortal. Like I looked up some of
the reviews on like IMDb and stuff like that, and
a lot of people seem to have given it like
a six seven out of ten, saying like funny enough.
I did actually really enjoy it. I had a feeling
this movie was going to be slated, and some of
the criticism is definitely justified. But in all honesty, I
kind of dug with the opening scene was fun. It's

(50:19):
a very smart looking movie. The cinematography looks great, The
content of the film is decent. It's a shame that
Robert England didn't reprise the role, but I can imagine
he feels that it's well and truly in the past.
That fact, for me, was definitely a nail in the
coffin for the film. I'm not sure what many were expecting.
Some of the care some of the scares are a
little on the same side by today's standards, but the

(50:41):
story was okay. Bar the obvious pedofile pedophile thing. It
definitely deserved a little bit more loving than it got.
But I can understand one way or the other. It's
definitely like it might either kind of like it or
you just hate it.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
You're messing with something that is already a beloved movie,
a beloved character as weird as that is. Right. And
then and the problem is, I was gonna say earlier
with things like Friday the Thirteenth, Uh, and and Jason,
it's not based on who plays Jason. Really. There's obviously
movements and things that you know, make Jason who he is.

(51:20):
But you can pretty much throw some big dude in
the costume as long as he's pretty decent at walking
around and stalking people and uh, you know, being kind
of ominous. It's fine. But with Freddy Krueger, as much
as I don't did mind Jack's performance to some extent,
it is someone who is a beloved character. Even Michael Myers.

(51:41):
You can put throw anyone in that mask as long
as I do a decent job it's stalking around. Uh.
It is the problem when it's something that people do
you know, have recognized as a character that already exists, right,
like if they just came out of nowhere, right, and
it was something that they just did for that movie,

(52:03):
and Freddy didn't exist beforehand, it might have been received
a little better. But because it is that that he's
a recognized character, a lot of people that have a
problem with it, you know, And I will I'm gonna
rate it right now, and I'm gonna give it a
fucking three. I'll give it a three point five. That's
as much as I'm gonna give it. Consider I love

(52:24):
Robert E Glenn, Frank Kruger.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
I'll give it a five, which I'm kind of shocked by.
Before I rewatched it a couple of times recently and
kind of took into it a bit more, I would
have probably given this like a one or a point.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I'm the trash man. I come out, I throw trash
all over all over.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
The ring, and then I start eating garbage, and then
I pick up the track can and I that's so good.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
You have to add that in the audio?

Speaker 3 (52:54):
No, why don't you just fucking.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
G Yeah, I agree kind of with the void say.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Yeah, there's just certain scenes were really and I just thought,
I'm like, well, I don't even know what that's supposed
to be, you know what I was just thinking as well.
So I was reading something here before we finished this episode.
Producer Brad Fuller has stated that while the film was
definitely a financial success, the backlash from fans, critics, and

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industry professionals alike was so great that the phones of
Platinum Dunes didn't ring for nearly two years. It would
not make another film until The Purge in twenty thirteen.
He admits that this film was handled poorly and a
huge step back for the company. It was decided that
this would be their last Heart remake, and I was
just looking here, right, How could a company to get

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so many things right in a way make such a
huge misstep. So they'd done Texas Chainsaw on two thousand
and three, the Amityville Horror in two thousand and five,
which wasn't bad, Bad Chainsaw the Beginning, which was okay.
They'd on THEE remake, which was good. They've done The Unborn,

(54:06):
which was good. They've done Friday at thirteen reboot, which
was good. Then they do Nartmann Street. I mean, they
don't make a movie for early three years. They make
The Porridge, The powerge Anarchy.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Decent.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
They made Ouiji that was quite good, right.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
I didn't mind it. There's some movies like that where
I'm like, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Mind it, Parge, Election Year, the sequel to Wigi, Origin
of Evil, A Quiet Place, Quite Place two, The Forever Purge,
Quiet Place Day one, and their most recent movie was
Apartment seven A this movie you tell me to watch?

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Right, Yeah, it's actually they did that. That was actually
really good.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
I thought it's like, how did they make? But is
it that thing? Though? Right? Where they've done Texas Chainsaw,
They've done Amleyville Horror, They've done the prequel to Texas Chainsaw,
They've done The Hitcher, they've done the Orne Friday, the Tartines.
Is it the case? Then at that point, like they're
going like, oh Billie, big balls. So everybody's like, yeah,
I have a cool idea. Remember I had that cool

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idea for the Hitcher. Well, now I have a cool
idea for Freddy. Oh yeah, I have a cool idea.
Let's all sit around and all have cool ideas.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Yeah, and that's uh. That is a big problem is
if too many chef was that was that christ? Too
many chefs, not enough cooks, too many Indians, non are
too many chiefs? Not enough Indians could be canceled for
saying that now they're Native Americans. You know what's funny
speaking about being canceled. I when I was looking at

(55:38):
I just put up like a nightmare. Uh and look
at this, uh just just as a as a weird thing.
I was like, what the fuck did Yeah, sure a
nightmare has a school. What you created that art man?

(55:58):
Obviously some person is that weird. Let's do that movie.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Let's this movie. But yeah, I mean, look, I wanted.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
To like it. I wanted to. I didn't. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
I enjoy some aspects of it, but overall it's just
not so great for me, which is unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
But looking through some of the images, and man, he
just not does not look good. His eyes look like
little hamster eyes. Look at this ship, like, let me
show like, look at this. He looks like a hamster.
He looks like some like weird creature like that was
like a hamster.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Yeah, it's strange. It's like the bridge of his nose
and stuff they like widened.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
How much mad that they like caked on it. It
looks like to me and prop CG. I like compared
to like you know this and then you have or
even this you know and then you have like it
doesn't look good man his beady little eyes.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Like, yeah, it's weird. It's unfortunate looks eyes. It's it
is unfortunate. But I would I would love to know
everybody's thoughts. If you've gotten to the end of this episode,
I'd like to know, you know, do you like this movie?
Do you not like this movie? And if so, wir or
why not? Because I do think there's definitely a cult
following I heard for this movie. Now, I don't think
people think it's the best movie ever or anything like that,

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but there's definitely I kind of I wouldn't say I
have been converted, but I was trying to give it
a little bit more allowances and go, okay, that was cool.
And like you said, there was parts where I was like, Okay,
I have to kind of admit that scene was kind
of cool or that looked good, or if they had
done this a little bit differently, that could have been
really really cool the making of a good movie. But

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it just didn't come across like that.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
There's too many problematic things with when I'm like, before
we even did this, before we even rewatched it, I
remember my biggest guff you could say, my biggest problem
was the acting with there wasn't even the storyline or
the way they put together. And I think I liked
it more when I first saw it than I do
now after like trying to analyze it and really give

(58:05):
it an honest opinion. And I know there's people out
there that probably really like it, like And the thing is,
there's movies that we're going to talk about that I
really like or Aaron realied that the other people don't.
As weird as it sounds, though ME and Aaron mostly
agree on like what we think is good and bad.
Uh And and this was Aaron was pretty honest. I

(58:26):
was like, it's I it's a movie I will watch again. Realistically,
I end up I will watch this in a couple
of years, So REALI is it that bad? There's some
movies that I'll never watch again.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. The one thing I would say
is I find myself rewatching this movie every couple of
years because I know it's shit, but I actually forget
nearly everything that happens, and I don't think that's a
good thing. As much as I wish I could do.
That's sometimes the movies I wish I could erase my
memory of them and watch them for the first time again.

(58:58):
Mm hmm, Like I don't know how many times I've
rewatched this movie in the last couple of years and
been like, I have no fucking idea. If you were
to asked me right now what happens, I actually have
no idea. Like I can remember little things where I'm like,
he gets like he's supposed to be like Malester, but
then he's not, and then then he is something bit
of school and then I like, I remember the opening scene,
and then I'm like, I couldn't really tell you. I

(59:19):
need the rest of the kills, and like I don't actually.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Remember, and being forgettable is not really.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Not really, And I remember there's a couple of filmmakers
that I've had on like interviewing and stuff, and they've
told me, like, behind the scenes, you you either you
want to be memorable either for the fact that you
made an amazing movie that I've on loves, or it's
that really divisive thing where people are like, oh, it's
fucking so bad or it was so grotesque, or it
was so this, or it was so that, or it

(59:46):
was too aggressive, or it was too you know, like
You never really want to be in that middle ground,
as weird as that might sound. You never want to
be in that middle ground of like what movie who
what happened? Which makes sense? You know, which makes sense?
You want to kind of be controversial either way.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
I know, And I was looking at that. This kid
just came up. I was like, brand new, fully immersive Halloween,
whoor night. This isn't in and Mary old uh well
near Whitechapel, London, England, which is not really English anymore.
But there's like some it's nightmare at the Priory. I
guess you could call it Priory. It looks kind of cool.

(01:00:26):
It's a scare maze, uk scariest maze. It's inspired by
like a nightmare in Alms Street. That's kind of cool.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
I'd love to do something like that, to be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
I love to do that stuff together. Wh I just
go to come move to Canada, a little communism to go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
But you always always telling me it's time below it
or something like it is anyway after a while, I
actually no, I'm going to show up because we're gonna
go complete.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Yeah, we're gonna go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Yeah. If you've gotten to the end of the episode,
let us know on social media or in the commons
down below, orhever you're listening or watching this. You know
what you thought about this movie? Is there parts that
we didn't like that you did or vice versa, and
maybe suggestions for other movies you might like us to cover.
I have said all years I would like to cover
the Hitcher remake, and there's a couple of others there.
I wouldn't even mind covering the Maybe do something like

(01:01:13):
do the original Amityville hor versus the remake.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
That's actually a good idea for that might.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Be an interesting episode if we watch both of them
and then kind of try and compare the two differences.
That might be. I like that. But yeah, this is
this has been fun. I do like talking about the stuff,
even sometimes when I don't like them. It's nice to
go back and revisit and see what I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
I agree. It's still nightmare awm strewe to me at
the end of the day, as much as I do
have a lot of problems with it, it is still
it still feels somewhat not all the way, but it's
like it's there. There is that bridge where it is
a nightmare. Now it's just not the bridge is not
formed properly.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Yeah, yeah, like cake Tuesday so I can smell my
wife making pancakes.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
She was like, you're not going to be there for
it's this important day, and I was like, it's a
fucking made up day, man, it's pancake Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Yeah, pancake Tuesday, man, made up? But yeah. Reach out
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Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Hopeful that time we're forty five, we'll be able to
live off with Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Hopefully by the time I'm collecting the old Edge pension,
if the world hasn't blown up, I'll be able to
make a few books off of this. But yeah, we
love you all and I will see you really soon.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
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