Revisiting Darkness Falls (2003) The Tooth Fairy's Terrifying Curse

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Indeed, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to another I suppose mini deep dive,
if you want to call it that what I would
consider an underrated two thousands horror movie. Today we're revisiting
the film that took childhood legend and turned it into
pure nightmarefield. We're talking about two thousand trees or two
thousand and one.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'm not sure what.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Year there's Like, I've seen multiple different years put up
for this. Yeah, we're talking about Darkness Falls, a film
gave the Tooth Fairy a terrifying twist, blended supernatural horror
with slashy elements, and left a lasting impact on horror
fans the early two thousands. For Better or for Worse,
whom I joined with today And can you remember the

(01:54):
first time you saw this movie?

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I am the Raptilian. My name is Tom kay I
like how you're Irish action you said tooth Fairy, Like
you're like tooth tooth Fairy. But you say because you
said quickly, it kind of sounded like Mike Tyson come
on to its fairy. I'm I'm the host of Strange
Roop podcast along with my co host of Strange Roop Podcast.

(02:17):
But we also do class horor casts, and that's who
we are, That's what we are, what we do. Uh
you know, I'm also a hip hop artist for those
of you that don't know, Uh so you can look
up the raptili and yes, kind of a ridiculous name,
but it's stuck, so uh check it out and uh yeah,
interestingly enough, I was like kind of excited to watch
this because I haven't seen it and oh God, like

(02:40):
I don't even maybe I saw it like I would
think three maybe two or three times when I was
a kid. Uh, but I probably haven't seen it in
I don't know, like seventeen years or something like that,
like a long time. And again it is such a
strange thing just because it's the time era. But I've
mentioned this friend all the time. Austin is like, this
is I'd hang out with, right, one of my best

(03:01):
friends I was growing up that me and him definitely
like rented this. I'm for sure. I feel like I
can remember, especially the cover of it. Yeah, not that
cover like the original with the lighthouse one. I can
remember like going to the convenience store, I feel like,
and it was kind of like in the just slightly
came out. Yeah, it's exactly like that. And it had

(03:23):
the sticker, you know, like the little like velcrow sticker
thing that you'd pull. Do you imagine did you have
those where it's like and then you could see they
have it on display so you could see which ones
were in and which ones were out and if you could.
It's such a different time and I almost miss that,
you know. I was making a video about like Canada,
what it means to be Canadian stuff recently, and it

(03:45):
was just like an old footage of like Canada, and
I most rather live in the nineties or even further back,
Like I couldn't do this show to some extent, Like
I obviously love doing podcasting, but there's a probably that
looks back at that nostalgic time. And my buddy sent
me a video of like the uh, like a kind
of montage of the early two thousands where it's like

(04:06):
Limb Biscuit and like you know, Blockbuster and all these
and it's just I kind of miss it, you know,
And I don't know, I didn't have to worry about
all these things are going on in the world, and
the world doesn't seem.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
To we probably would have had a pirate radio show
or something like that, I know, and.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Like, it just was a different time, and you go
to the like, you know, this movie came out on
VHS and or DVD, but I mostly for me, it
was VHS for the beginning, and then DVD start coming
in a little later on and you go and you're like, oh, no,
like this, the new movie's not out, so you have
to go pick another one. This has maybe been one

(04:44):
of those choices. Like I remember the one time like
we were like we're going to get the most popular
movie or whatever, and and then I can't read the
time whatever it was, and then another thing I would
like to cover, and I think we like chose hollow Man,
and then like the parents my friend were like like
I don't know if this is a good choice. Uh,

(05:05):
you know, but like that would be a weird conversation
and it's the same kind of feel and time is
this I just remembering like going there and then that
sound of on'm taking the velcro a little sticky like
a little little stop side off and then giving it
to them and then getting it and then then going
back home and.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Then yeah, I missed that investment like pop and hip
Night movie. Yeah, like getting a movie and stuff was
as like a real event and like you were invested
for better or for worse. Like even if you picked
a movie like this and uh, you know, some people
would love it, some people would hate it, but you
were still invested. You committed to it. It was like, well,
that's the movie we've got and.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Now and even like I I we would go red
movies some convenience stores before I ever saw like a Blockbuster,
and a Blockbuster was like, I don't know. Later on,
like we started going to convenience store and how all
the movies on dispelled like half of the convenience store.
What is just movies? It's not like that any more,
you know, it's a lot different. It's just a lot
of like unhealthy food and cigarettes. There's always cigarettes there,

(06:05):
but it was most like like you know that you
had your snacks and your food, but half of the
store was literally a movie store. And we did that
for a long time. Then I feel like a brown
like look, I don't know why that does. That's the
weirdest thing I hear.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
That not anymore.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
So weird. I hope it's just my like just me.
It's only started recently. That is so weird. I don't
know why I would do that, And I need to
get a new Mike Cord. I might have to do it.
And then like I remember like kind of just uh,
I also try the thought.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Then by the time I was like ten or eleven.
I think when I started going to Blockbuster and when
eventually we get in like Scooby Do, Like I distinctly
remember renting Scooby Do You and Blair Witch, and I
just remember being so scared in my basement. Uh, and
I'll save that for that episode. But that was like
when I first experienced Blockbuster, I was like, wow, just movies.
They like obviously popcorn and stuff, but it just had

(07:01):
a different feel and there's so much more. Like they
only had a couple of shelves when it came to
the convenience store, but you just like walk along and
they would be like the complete horror section with like
every horror movie you can imagine. It's just a different
time and I I want to I want to go
back there same.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
I always say to myself, like I'd love to be
in a position to make money and from stuff like
this and buy like a property or a unit and
be able to have like a kind of like a
bar slash like movie store.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Like but old podcastle for Kevin Smith Podcastle, which he
just like plays for every movies he wants to and
then people he sells tickets.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Right, And I'd love to just have a place like that,
because I feel like there's there's a lot of people
that feel like us that just want those places to
come back and those things to come back. And so
before we dive into this, then everybody needs to make
sure to turn on every life because obviously we'll find
out in the lore in this that for some reason
she is like scared of light. But then also she's

(08:04):
in the light all the time as well, which is
a bit another weird thing. Flashlights stay out of the dark.
And let's get ready to talk about the tooth Fairy,
like you've never heard her before.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Whenever one of them lost a tooth, they would bring
it to her in exchange for a gold coin, earning
her the name the Tooth Fairy. But when two children
didn't come home, they blamed Matilda and they.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Hanged her in the light, hung her. Billy would say,
it's hung, but it's actually hanged because it's past dance something.
Why I find this joke inappropriate, But you know, you
could classify as the jew Fairy, you know, but they
would take the gold coins from Unney through Pillow and
give you back too.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
For people that don't know, the story focuses on a
vengeful spirit that has taken taken the form of the
Tooth Fairy to exact revenge on the town that lynch
her one hundred and fifty years earlier. Her only opposition
is the is the only child now growing up who
has survived her before. That's a really terrible way of
explained the movie. So yeah, for me, I feel like

(09:14):
this movie has so much potential, a lot of clever things.
There's a lot of stuff I didn't know from listening
to the commentaries and looking at someone behind the scenes,
and I guarantee you you'll be like, ah, of course,
of course this had to happen. We'll start to realize
pretty quick what actually went wrong here, and a lot
of it wasn't to do with the filmmakers. This had

(09:37):
five other titles before it became Darkness Falls. Actually, so
originally it was going to be called The Tooth Fairy
based on a short by let Me Get the Guy's Name.
Joe Harris made a short called The Tooth Fairy. I

(09:57):
don't know how many years with twenty.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Somethings, that awful movie with the rocket is it? No?

Speaker 3 (10:02):
And that basically for people who haven't seen it or
have no intentions of every watch or ever watching it.
It's I'll just give you like a quick rundown of
what it is. I did have it in my notes.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Or somebody getting that ready asked why I tell you
that I didn't see this for like, you know whatever,
seventeen years or some shit, and then watching it my wife,
I can say that she was thoroughly disappointed in the movie,
but I was enjoying it. I was like, wow, I
remember this.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
There's like I couldn't remember a lot of it, but
there were certain scenes that I was like, oh man,
I remember this weird like and it would just like popping.
Like there would be like I always remember the ending
something about a lighthouse. It were at the same time
as like the Ring, you know, they also go to
a lighthouse or some shit, or she's like in a lighthouse. Uh.

(10:57):
But it was just like there was moments where I'm like,
oh man, I forgot about this, and they're like, oh,
this like kind of popped in my head. But I
was remembered, like the ending was a lighthouse. But yeah, yeah,
she she needs something a little more substance. I like,
I like my trash, right, I like to like dig
through the trash and trash man out. Do I have

(11:19):
that anywhere? I might actually give me, give me a
sec Do I have it? Just keep talking, I'll find it.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
So yeah, the short film not bad actually. So it's
just like your bed kid going to beds. He's waiting
for the two for Aid the comedies lost the two.
Something appears. You can't see it. He's like, it's like shown.
We're looking at the kid and something lights kind of
looks like a bright like kind of a gold color

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like something going in front of them, and this coin
lands on the bed and then out of nowhere, like
all these gold coins start falling onto the bed and
the kid is all like, oh, everything is great. The
tooth and then you see this weird like kind kind
of looks like the the close of like the Dementa
or something in Harry Potter. Kind of just goes like

(12:09):
pass the screen and then you hear the kid scream
and it pans to downstairs. The mother's like calling his name,
whatever his name is. She runs up to the bedroom,
and when it pans across to the kid again, he's
on the bed and his eyes have been sawn together.
It's actually a pretty freaky looking effect. His eyes have
been sawn together and there's a there's a note into

(12:32):
his chest and not good enough. I don't know what
the relevance that is, but supposedly that was enough.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
He wasn't very good in bed for.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Sony to be like, yeah, we want to like this
is like a really good idea for a feat film.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
I'm the track man.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
I come out, I throw all over.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
All over the ring and then I started eating garbage.
Yes you do.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
That's my wife would probably think it's like.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
But yeah they did. The original working title was two Fairy.
Then they had don't Copyright issues. Was another one, don't Peak. Yeah,
just don't peak.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Well that's how lazy they're getting, like the move Don't Breathe.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
And we had Dark pretty mediocre, The Ghost of Matilda Dixon.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
No, no sounds it sounds like a nineteen like nineteen
thirties like actually would be like maybe like an eighteen
sixties like ghost Tail. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (13:37):
This is my least favorite and absolute like trash like
garbage bag. Name is the tooth Fairy. Every legend has
its dark side?

Speaker 1 (13:49):
No wow, why dark side of legends or something.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
That sounds like a fucking a tagline for like a
WWE pay per view or something. So yeah, it was
made off the back of this this short film. They
got the guy to write like a feature length script,
which is pretty cool, I guess for him. He made
a short movie and it got turned into a fucking
a big motion picture. The guy that they got to

(14:17):
direct this Jonathan Leebsman, who has gone on since to
do some notable stuff in there. He has done the
twenty fourteen Teenage Mutant Ninja titles movie, he'd done that movie,
Rath of the Titans Battle Los Angeles, he'd done Rings,

(14:40):
and probably most notable what he'd done and I actually
enjoyed it was he directed The Texas Change Master at
the beginning.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, I enjoy that movie for what it's worth. We
talked about it. It's it's it's better than some stuff, now,
that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
You know what's funny. He hated her and didn't want
to direct this movie, right, and he directed it because
his agent or whatever said like, this is your way
into Hollywood. He wanted to do drama movies only, which
is kind of funny considering that he made this movie
under those pretenses. His next movie was Rings, then The
Texas Chance I'm asker. Then Battle Los Angeles was just

(15:14):
about Aliens Rath of the Titans, which is kind of
like a Harry adjacent kind of thing. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,
and most recent he directed four episodes of the Halo TV.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Show What What Teenage New? Ninjaaw? What did he Do?

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Twenty fourteen?

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Was that like the remake? Right that? But there wasn't
it the other guy, the famous guy, Michael Bay or something?
Do wasn't it him?

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Or he's produced he's the producer. I think he was
the director.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
I'm not gonna lie. I know that Megan Fox is
most likely a man. But I did actually really enjoy
the Ninja Turtle movies for what it's worth. It, I
don't know like I enjoyed. I think because they did
two of them, right, I enjoyed it for what it is.
I thought they were fairly entertaining, and I've always kind
of liked the in controls, even when they were just

(16:09):
goofy suits. I think that's like kind of what made
it at some point that you know, maybe you know,
we might need to do like a off off brand
episode on that because it because I you know, it's
I feel like it's something that we a lot of
us grew up on, especially if you're like nineties kids
like us.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
And I'm just going to get the taglines out of
the way and just see which ones you rate and
which ones you hate. The first one is every legend
has its dark side.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Typical.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
It's not terrible, right, Evil rises h stay in the light.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
It's too simple to.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
My personal favorite is the last one. I think it
was actually used on a lot of the DVD covers
over here. At least an eye for an eye, your
life for a tooth. No, that's so bad, But imagine

(17:11):
like some executive probably sat in the boardroom went for
an eye your life for a tooth. Wow, I'm so clever.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
I'm a genius.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
I fucking came up with that. That's on the front
of my DVD down here at the pond.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
For an eye two flood tests. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Actually, let's hear let me read what the back of
the the DVD says. So this is where it has
like like multiple like synopsis on the back of it.
So it says as a young boy Kyle named to
have seen the tooth very he also claims she tried
to kill him when Evil emerges again. Kyle must return

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home to confront his trouble past and save his childhood
Sweethart Caitlin and her younger brother Michael. Kyle must do
a battle with a wind creature of doom that he's
all that night many years ago, which is plagued the
town of Darkness falls for over one hundred and fifty years,
even as backward a vengines, and it's not leaving Lo
Caitlin's brother.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
It could be worse, you know, Okay, I guess yeah,
I know this, Uh this movie, I don't know. There's
I I I it's funny because we like trash. As
I said, I'm the trash man. But you know, it's
there's so many similarities, like the early two thousands nineties
movies of like the Boyfriend sneaking in the bedroom another

(18:35):
thing that was done. And I was like, I never
had that happen. And Chelsea's like, well, you were too
young or whatever, and I'm.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Like, what do you mean, man, We're just up in
the bedroom already.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Christ was sneaking into my room. I'm just kidding. I
was not religious, but uh my uncle kept sneaking for
some strange reason. But he just came through the door.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
That's like that. I don't know if you ever heard that.
Joey d as Jokie tells on Sagoras podcast where he's
talking about rim and a chick and Tom's wife is like,
oh yeah, something about blacking out, and he's like, oh yeah,
I'll tell you a dog. When I stick my tongue
in your asshole, you black out. It's like you're fourteen
again in your uncle's molested.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
So bad. We have a dark sense of humor. We've
said some dark things on my show especially, but it's
you know you guys like you say, you know, if
you're not laughing, you're crying.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
So I literally was just about to say that, and.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Uh, it is like that, that's just nostlid. You think
a scream this movie the same thing, but I think
it's I guess the girl that breaks into his room, right,
And this is what you that's the chick from Lemony Snickets.
You know when she's younger, remember Snickets? A kid at
the start a series of unfortunate events. Yeah, kid, the

(19:52):
kid that shows up and the start the movie. And
you know what else she's in Emily Browning or something.
Oh yeah, she's in ghost Ship as a little girl.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
She's the kid there.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
She don't want to survive because she's short.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
I literally didn't realize that, and I heard something to
commentary and I was like, wait, what it's like? How
do I not recognize that I've seen that movie.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
I don't wanna. I don't want to. I don't want
to do uh a talk about ghost Ship, but I
wanted to. I would do a commentary.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
One of those movies I love, but it's so fucking bad,
like I would.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
I watched them that recently, dude, and it's.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Overall, this movie for me is better than go Ship.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
I agree, But GHOSTI is saying that was like like
a memorable from the obviously opening scenes and stuff like that, you.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Know what I've seen people online. Actually I get his point,
and I would say there's I guess there's a case
for it. People were saying that give me another average
movie other than goals Ship that has an incredible opening
scene and then just has a pretty mediocre average movie afterwards.
And obviously they were mentioned in ghost Ship. And you

(21:03):
know what, the most answered movie was order than goss Ship.
Darkness Falls.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Huh. The The intro.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Is pretty liked I love that that was made by
a company called so the Prolog. It's made by a
company called Imaginary Forces, who also done the opening for
that movie seven with Brad Pitt and a couple of others.
I I love like all the old photos and stuff

(21:34):
and like how they kind of explained the backstory a
little bit about Matilda Dixon. I did really like that.
And I also liked that opening scene with the with
Kyle Lejong at home and like the whole two for
every thing and he's like in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, but it's like it's so funny because like I
liked it, but like you know, the wife's reaction was
like this, like how it's like it's just because he's
in the light. But if she even my wife made
the point that like if if she's this like etherical
like paranormal powerful ghost creature, like she can't just like

(22:13):
knock out the lights, like cut the power. And then
like I liked it the scene where she's like above
the door kind of just like in her dress is
like flowing, uh, And it's just kind of a like
you know, if you were some powerful witch type creature, uh,
you think that you would be have the power to
like go into the light. It's just like a fun trope.

(22:34):
I guess they, you know, to have something every every
monster needs, it needs its weakness. Frankenstein's was a little
girl until he choked her to death. Didn't he kill
the little girl in frank Stein? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:48):
I think so. It's funny, right that there's a lot
of stuff that they had planned to put in this
to explain a lot of this shit, and like it
just gradually got caught out or they weren't allowed to
shoot it, or they weren't allowed to film it or whatever.
And you know, it's crazy because the end credits of

(23:09):
this movie are eleven and a half minutes long. That
was like, I don't know, that's like super long. And
the reason that they're like eleven and a half minutes
long is because the runtime was so short. They had
cut away so much of the movie that it wasn't
actually deemed long enough to release. Wow, they had to.

(23:30):
If you look at some of them, there's like ten
twelve seconds between names, which they had to do on
purpose to make the runtime whatever eighty six minutes, which
is crazy to me. It's like you you allowed them
to film footage and then to them to take it
out of the movie, and then the movie ended up
being too short, so you have to make the credits

(23:52):
longer to make it so I hate producers. Yeah, and
like this movie got royal Lee, like doggy style, like
straight in, no kissing by executives in the studio. I
think originally this was written as a rated ror movie,
way more graphic. The creature was completely different, by the way.
I don't know if you notice, but the creature in

(24:12):
this movie was completely different. Did not look like oh
yeah at all. It looked like some big angel of death.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Oh that's cool, that'd be way better.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
And oh, let's just put it in dress in a
porcelain mask. That's fun.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
The story was way different. This was all had been
designed like these are all actual images of wow.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
And then all that money that they waste all the.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Time and so much so right, it got changed that
late in the game that McFarland Toys were doing like
a monster Maniac line that year, and the toy they
released was to coincide with the movie ended up being
they had already made the old design, which they didn't
realize the afterwards. The studio had changed, so then they

(24:58):
couldn't put darkness falls.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
I didn't know that. That's just so disappointing. I've been
watching Comic Book Man again, uh, and I'm enjoying it
because it's very nostalgic to me. I watched it like, oh,
like it's been around for years, right, and looking through
some of the toy designs and stuff, like they're just
one guy wanted to buy the tortured souls, and the
guys are so cool, and the guys are like joking,

(25:22):
like did you really his girlfriend broke up with him
and he had to sell them at some point or whatever,
and now that his girlfriend was broken up with him,
he had to like he's like, I'm gonna buy them
all back, and he's like they're gonna You're gonna take
your manhood back. And it's like that show was very nostalgic.
I watched it at a I think it more of
a rough time in my life, and it was just
like very mindless and like, you know, just nerds being nerds,

(25:44):
and we're nerds to some extent when it comes to
like this podcast right where or nerds. If anything, I'm
kind of an overall nerd in some aspects of things.
I enjoyed and stuff, But it's cool to see some
of those toy designs that like Farlotte and McFarlane did.
It's fucking gnarly. Some of them were so cool looking.
And I'm like, I love Spawn and I wish I
kept my Like you know, you wish you keep those things?

(26:07):
And you did never realize it, right you?

Speaker 3 (26:10):
It looks pretty cool, I know, yeah, like yeah, like
even you can see uh.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
That kind of like reptilian esque, like yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
And like it had this weird thing where like its
body was made up of like it was obviously all children.
They were supposed to be like kid's teeth. She would
take them into her and it was supposed to be
really grotesque and like bloody, and she would also when
it got to the stage where it was like your
final toot fell out, she wouldn't just take the toot
and kill you. She would actually rip your lower jaw off.

(26:43):
That's cool, Like it was supposedly in the script there
was scenes of like young kids that had like their
whole face ripped apart.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Why is things like the combine shooters and stuff, Because
I like what it shifted things at this time with
stuff like that that was going on. I think it
looks gnarly. It looks it kind of looks like the
guy from the Wax movie, which I absolutely want to cover,
Like I'm to do that, that's something that we should

(27:14):
do for Shizzy. But like it's it's it's way like,
I think it looks way better. Like it's just sad
that I don't know, man, everything has to be toyed
with for so long. It also reminds me very much
of Japanese legend. I think it's like that I'll never
remember the name, but there's this Japanese legend about a

(27:35):
similar kind of creature who has like a slit mouth
and then the mouth opens up and stuff like that.
And it all the time and effort that these special
effects and makeup artists and designers and everything that they
did to put work into this and to make the
prosthetics for everything, and it's just like a wasted money

(27:55):
and time. And that's what it seems like Hollywood love
to do is waste everybody's time. I'm like this new
snow White movie. You know, it's got terrible reviews. Like
everything they do and they're pumping out is mostly garbage
just to make the try to draw money for people
and like and it's always the people that the producers
that back it. You understand something, there's people out there

(28:16):
that are creative and and want to put out art
so to speak, right, especially in the the element of
like cinema and and and and even music. This happens
to too. I let it be. And if you're gonna
put money behind it, trust the directors, the writers, the actors,
Trust the people that are creating the art, rather than

(28:37):
you want to be like, well, we could make some
cats hair and we could cut this, and then you're
wasting your own money anyway of the stuff they've already developed,
because this sounds like it would be way better. And
I was just gonna I was gonna say that, like
they should redo this now then you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
I was good. There's there's a good backstory, there's good lorder.
I think, really good movie and like the So the
original version of the script, the creature actually was only
going to be seen properly at the end of the movie.
And what was going to happen was if you look
at the movie and you can see it in parts

(29:12):
where so you know that the scene where he's in
the bar with Larry the lawyer guy or whatever he is,
and he's looking around all sketchy and whatever. And remember
there's two guys at the bar, and it's like, Oh,
that's that dude that killed his mother or whatever. So
there was supposed to be a little bit more that
that was cut away where he had said.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
So.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Originally, the opening was supposed to be a kid in
a classroom and he was telling this story about the
two ferry and like it was like the legend or whatever,
and then it would show Kyle as a kid and
he got into an altercation with another kid and he
ends up stabbing him with a pencil or something like
that or a pen and then when it cuts forward
to those later scenes, that's the guy that he stabs

(29:57):
in the classroom for making fun of him. And the
guy is like, oh, he stabbed me in the back
or something. The other guy's like, oh, yeah, whatever, and
he's like, no, no, he literally stabbed me in the
back when we were kids. And then they talk about
when he says about all, that's the guy who killed
his mother. The whole idea is supposed to be the
audience wouldn't find out until the last act of the
movie that the tooth theory is actually real. You're led

(30:19):
to believe that Kyle is like some psychotic like it's
like a slasher movie and he's having these like visions,
so he's actually killing the people and he thinks in
his head he's having all these word visions about some creature,
but it doesn't exist. And then at the very end
he actually find that.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Sounds way better. Even even Chelsea said she's like it's
showing too much. There's like it showed too much. So
if they would have want the original idea, it would
have fared out better for like audiences and stuff like that.
Is it's more clever to be on the psychological aspect
of things rather than what you've seen with some of
these movies, like in all like Retrospect, I don't know,

(30:57):
like the Ring could have been better, or the gry
in some of these movies where they're like, I don't know,
they they're like, oh, we got scared, we gotta have
jump scares and do that. Like the producers are always
there in the ear of the people because they control
it through the money system. Right, It's like how realistic.
It's like the way the governments are like, well, we

(31:18):
have all your money because we stole it from you,
and now we're gonna tell you how you should live,
even though you elect us to represent you, but we
don't really, We're just representing the people that paid us
and the lobbyist groups or whatever. Right, And it's the
same thing with cinema where they're like, well, we paid
you the money, and so you have to do it
the way we do it. That's why I'm like, it's

(31:38):
just a weird offshoots. The politicians, right, they're like we
the lobbyist groups and that the people that fund their
campaigns are the people that really tell them what to do.
And it's the same way with movies. Is the people
that producers that fund the movie to be made, like
I have this great idea, like I have it all
worked out, it's gonna be awesome, like audience is gonna
love it, and then producers like, no, it's my money,

(32:00):
so you'll do what I say. And then you see
these movies come out and it's like we still enjoy
them for what they're worth, but they could be a
lot better considering I didn't know any of this stuff
about what the film could have been, and it sounds
better than what we the final product that we got.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
And you know what's crazy when I listened to so
there's two commentary tracks on the on the DVD you have.
There's the writer's commentary, which is a bit more I
wouldn't say serious, but like they're kind of talking about
a lot of this stuff, and then the filmmaker commentaries.
It has like one of the producers, one of the
guys I think that's on the script rewrite. I think

(32:38):
he might have actually written the script for Scream seven
as well, something Vanderbilt, James Vanderbilt or something.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I saw some things about snow and stuff, so.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
And a couple of other guys, the director and a
few other people, and like, I have to say, it
was it was actually a hard listen for me. They
basically just made fun of the entire thing for the
whole commentary, but not in like a funny way. It
was more in like a kind of a cringey like
sad way.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
I was like, this is not even like funny what
you're doing, but they were. He kind of shows you
or how much interference there was and how many different
people had different ideas and that the movie ended up
just being a lot of little ideas just mashed into
like an eighty six minute movie.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
See if I had a full proof script and say
I wrote out that I was passionate about and then
I saw the final product of like you know and
just like like trust the process, you know, you'll get
your name into Hollywood or whatever, and it turned out
something completely different than what I wrote. You know, I
would I would command God to set Hollywood on fire.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
He's one of the writers, one of the writers was commissioned.
He'd done twenty six different drafts, just one writer, and
then there was a guy brought into when they picked
one of his scripts, they brought another guy in to
like rewrite that, and then they brought another guy in
to rewrite his rewrite.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
We've seen this time and time again all the time,
where it's just like, you know, like like this guy
comes out like especially like when you think about some
of the Nember and Oustream movies that we cover for
The Deep Dive, is that that always harkened back to
that because those are movies that like somebody had an idea,
a full proof idea, a script was written out, and
then someone was like, oh, we need six other people involved.

(34:21):
To write the script doesn't make sense. And then and
you know what, this is why you kind of got
to give it to like people like Rob Zombie. You
know whatever. He did it the way that he fucking
wanted it to go. And that's it. He made it
the way he wanted it to There's no one telling
him to do it this way or that way. He
made even though Hollywood or Hollywood hallyween Halloween two is

(34:47):
Halloween is absolutely garbage. I would rather watch. I think
Halloween two is terrible, but I'd rather watch that than
Halloween ends. And don't worry. This year coming up in
near Halloween, me and a aright are gonna do Watch along.
We'll do it on Rumble and we'll really try to
promote it maybe and get people into to watch. So
just just again for people that are listening, watching whatever,

(35:08):
please support us on Rumble because there's more stuff we
can do on there on class forecasts. But you know,
you have too many too many chiefs, not enough Indians,
you know, chief enough Cooks.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
That's definitely what happened here. And and then it's really
weird because when they decided to completely change it, not
make it, or raided to make it, PG, Tardine and
whatever like more appealing to like the teenage group. It
brought stan Winston. Now, I don't know if you know
stan Winston, but like he done like Jurassic Park. He's

(35:43):
basically done any big special effects, literally any any big
movie that you could possibly think of. His studio was
involved in, like Terminator two, Fucking the Thing, Aliens, Drassic Park, Predators,

(36:10):
Inspector Gadget, iron Man, Edwards Hands.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Spector Gadget is back Ana Lie movie. I'd left to
cover off Bread because like I really enjoy it as
a kid.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
He has a serious, serious like filmography. Batman Returns, Avatar
and Let's See the Relic.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
I actually really enjoyed the Avatar. Both of them were
like the same story whatever, but very enjoyable movies that
keep you entertained the whole time.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Dude, there's a lot of movies there that we all
love us well, Lake Placid, Small Soldiers.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I haven't seen like Plastics, that's.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Kid wrong turn he done. He done Theodol, skin Walkers,
Shutter Island, and orham d I Joe like.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
He I bought that DVD. You wrong turned all of them.
So I'm gonna have to watch all of them at
some point, well what's cover? I know you want to,
but getting what I've never seen the third one, and
man aarone was like, we gotta we're gonna do a
wrong turn deep dive. So I started watching them on.
I was like by the third when I was like,
what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Watch? Yeah, they're they're hard work. But they brought Winston
and then the design changed completely to you know, all right,
So I don't necessarily hate it.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
It looks like Freddy Krueger's girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, but right, spare me for sec right. It's like
a mix between Freddy Kruger's girlfriend and email type from
The Mummy. I don't necessarily hate it. I just think
I hate it after I know what the kind of
original idea may have been. I know, I kind of
I'm like, oh, I don't know if I can buy

(37:52):
this anymore. No, considering that, I.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Don't mind it, Like I don't mind the idea of
the porcelain mask and uh, you know, having her be
like this, this disfigured I know. So I'm like, they
kind of went lazy with it and just like stole
designs from other things, it seems like, but I get
the idea of her being like a deformed burnt creature

(38:21):
or whatever, like especially she's a witch. They turned her
into a witch by because she cursed the idea. She
she put a curse on them. So like, realistically, she
turned into a witch even though she wasn't meant to
be a witch. And now she's essentially the sign. The
design that they made was just her as a burnt witch.

(38:42):
It is very similar to like Freddy Krueger Crip keeper
Emo tap is that is how you say his name,
Chemo Tep. He's like an Emo kid. He got long
black hair.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
But again, right, even with this new design, there was
lots of others if I didn't realize. So like there's
a there's a feature on the DVV that I never
heard of, did anything about it called the Legend of
Matilda Dixon, which explains the real life story behind the movie. Right,
and so according to this documentary, it's shot like a documentary.

(39:17):
It kind of reminds you like blair Witch kind of
remember they had like the blair Witch Project movie, but
then they had a documentary they came out called The
Curse of the blair Witch, which was meant to kind
of give you the lore of the Blair Witch make
you think that the movie was actually real or based
on a real thing. So in the documentary, Matilda and
her husband Sonny arrived at Port Fairy in Australia as

(39:40):
newly weds. She was a baker, he was a local
fisherman and he ended up dying at sea in some
bad storm in eighteen thirty six. It was known around
the town that she would make treats for children who
would lost their baby teeth. She was injured in an
accident which disfigured her face and oven blew up and
it burnt all her face and left her all fucked

(40:01):
up looking. So this is where the she became really
reclusive because of this, and she would only bring the
treats at night and kind of started to become a
bit of a weird though, and like she would wear
this personal mask because she didn't want anyone to like
be freaked out by her, and like, obviously that started
to kind of I don't know, many people tease the
fact that, Okay, she doesn't come out anymore, she delivers

(40:22):
treats onto kids' doorsteps in the middle of the night
wearing a personal mask.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
So then it imagined that in like the eighteen hundreds, dude,
Like it would be a little weird if it were
already a little weird stinky back then, but like that
would be like freaky man.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
So then one day in eighteen forty one, two children
who were said to be visiting her never returned home.
The town blamed her, and an angry mob lynched her
before they were later found unharmed, and it had nothing
to do with her.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, yeah, I remember that from the beginning. Like it's
a like I love the premise, I love the concept
of the idea. I'm not saying I necessarily don't like
this movie. Weirdly, it will always hold a special place
in my heart because I remember when I first watched it.
There's these movies that honestly the audience if you don't understand,

(41:14):
you never like if you're a younger kids. Some of
these young kids I work with, it's funny like they're
like living in the old days sometimes now no concept
was like especially movies. They listen to a lot of
older music. I find like we have two like pretty
younger kids that are working there, pretty smart kids or whatever,
and they like they're like they're they'll listen to like

(41:36):
gay cy DC and like Zeppelin and stuff like that.
But when I'm like, oh, yeah, you've seen this movie
or whatever, like no, but my people understand too, like
like I don't really watch a lot of movies, and
they're like they're they're like crafty kids working they're working
on Barry's truck or whatever, which I think is really good.
But like people don't understand why cinema was important to

(41:56):
people like you and me, and even like people like Brett,
my buddy that's been on my podcast, is because like
he didn't have the internet. He still doesn't have the internet,
and then where he like lives in the back of
his property and stuff like that, so he watches a
lot of like movies that he buys for cheap, especially nowadays.
But that people don't understand, Like cinema wasn't this thing
that you just had instant access to and you could
just choose. Oh, I'll just watch a podcast on YouTube

(42:19):
instead of watching a movie, which, like I do. I
enjoy doing that stuff, Like I love a podcast. I
mostly do my own shows. It's hard to keep up
with everything, but like kill Tony is something that I'll
watch right, Like I'd rather watch that than watch really
a movie some nights because I can just laugh at
like comics because I love comedy and humor. But like,
people don't understand what it was like back in the

(42:41):
day where like that was like you go to the
movies on you know, it'd be like once a month
mostly because you can really like it was pretty cheap
or like you're like when you're twelve thirteen, that's where
you go see like go to movies and it's this
very immersive experience and then you would like really looking
forward to because you only had shitty cable television that

(43:02):
we replaying garbage movies or stupid television shows like we
had y TVs all this stuff in Canada, fun kids shows.
But that that thing where you're like, yeah, let's go
with the comedian store like a Blockbuster and we'll grab
like like we'll find the good new movie if it's there,
and you got it. It was a different feeling for
people that don't understand what it was like. It was

(43:24):
a different feeling. That's why movies like this have always
stuck with me. Of like, and we recently talked about
this where I was like, man, I haven't seen that
in so long, like I'm actually kind of excited to
watch it, and I was, and there was like parts
of it where I was like, wow, man.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, that's probably why maybe sometimes people might say, oh,
white does aroon always seem to love everything or whatever,
but it's like I'd probably give them a pass because
of darkness. Yeah, that feeling. And so there's definitely a
degree of death. But like that that whole backstory that

(43:58):
that that featurette thing, the legend of Untila Dixon. She yeah,
so the town had killed her or whatever, and it
was like by mistake, she didn't actually do anything to
the kids. They find that out afterwards, but they're just
kind of like, just like the Freddie Krueger thing, kind
of it's like I don't say anything about it, just
don't talk about her ever again. And the town I

(44:18):
think that's some little memorial thing made out to her
kind of I suppose it's like an apology or whatever.
It was like, you know, yeah, Mattilda Dixon, like in
memory of blah blah blah all this shit, and okay,
come on, I think they might have even put on it,
like you know, the tooth fairy thing or whatever. And
this is how like her connection with like you said,

(44:39):
she was kind of a witch, but then kind of
took on this like tooth, very lower thing, and supposedly
over sixty years past, there wasn't an issue until some
local kids broke the plaque and stole it and vandalized
the area where they had garden for her. And then
the teens who carried this out are saying to have disappeared,
and there was a course brought onto the town, and

(45:00):
it kind of what.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Does that remind me of? That movie?

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Definitely see though how these guys, the creative guys involved,
definitely had their finger on the pulse of like we're
onto something here. If we could be left alone, we
could have probably had a pretty good movie and like
a pretty good backstory. And I was reading more into it's.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Based on like real witch folklore. There's one I'll never
remember her any but like where she was a witch
that would curse the town. And then you could see
her imprint, like her the hand of her imprint like
on the weird Yeah I'm not touching it on the
stone and like she like died there and then her

(45:42):
her hand is like imprinted on the stone. A real story.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Yeah, So according to John. I think it's Hegeman who
was the producer. I think of Darkness Falls. So they
were already filming the movie in Melbourne at this point,
and he decided that he wanted to make a backstory,
saying that every good movie needs a mythology. Funny enough, Actually,
John was the American executive behind Blair Witch in nineteen

(46:10):
ninety nine. He understood how important it was to create
a timeline mixed with real events, so upon finding a
book about the history of Port Fairy in the production office,
it seemed a good fit, saying, why not a tooth
fairy in a town called Port Fairy. So he mixed
actual folklore from the place that it was supposed to

(46:31):
be with like their mythology and kind of crossed all up.
So I think if there had a bit more push
put on that, it definitely would have.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Do you think they called it Port Fairy because a
bunch of seamen we're at the port.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
The guy actually who plays Kyl and this change.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Is like nothing, you know. I looked him up, dude.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Yeah, because he's fucking dead since yeah, he died in
two thousand and seven, right, and his dad.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Didn't read that. I was looking at what he was
in because I was like, oh.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
He's like in Like I literally thought the same thing.
I was like, how did he like because this was
a like this was a really popular movie and done
really well at the box office.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
And I was like, yeah, well I remember for the time.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Yeah, everyone want to and you see. I think what
happened was then the studio kind of looked at the
creatives and went, hay, we told you to do well
with the teens. We told you it was a good
to do the dow pgs our team because there's al
so many tickets. And I was looking I was like,
how did this guy just disappear into obscurity? Seems like
a you know, an okay actor, a good looking guy.
He'd fit all those kind of roles for that time period.

(47:38):
And then I look up and I find out that
he had died in two thousand and seven, and his
dad had said he had a breeding issue, he suffered
with sleep apnea, but then apparently when his autopsy was performed,
he was after having a drug overdose. So that's really yeah,
bit grim. I literally thought the exact same thing. I
was like, why isn't this dude ever ate anything?

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:02):
And I went to was IMDb and it was like
Died two thousand and seven, and I was like, what.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
I'm so weird. I didn't catch that because I was
like looking up like the actors and stuff while I
was watching it. That's like, actually that's sad, man, and
that's what happens. They get Hollywood, get money, and it
takes one wrong turn into drugs and you're gone forever. Man.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Also actually speaking of actors and actresses, So Emma Coffee Forward,
who plays Caitlin, the adult version of Caitlin, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Your actor was that bad. I think everyone subpar, but
like still it was like believe the bull.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
You won't like after this, I hope. So she has
actually publicly disowned the movie and says that the only
thing she remembers fondly is the paycheck she got because
it was very large.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
These people are garbage humans, man, Like, come on these
things that give you like access into like Hollywood, and
you got a So there could have been another female
that wanted the part and it could have used it,
but you just wanted to be just like Jennifer Aniston.

(49:11):
I'll never forget that where she's on like whatever for Leprechaun,
fuck yous gave you like your start into like the
the the world of cinema and movies and.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeah, like this she was actors man, this chick was
in so she was in Darkness Falls? Then after that
that got her role eighty five episodes of Buffet the Vampires.
Lare she done after Darkness Falls?

Speaker 1 (49:38):
I'm really trying to make the wife watch that, and
she's not going for it, and I'm.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Like, come on, ah, so good? But like, yeah, well,
I would say this movie probably made her career in
a way, and it just it really pisses me off.
Had a decent career where like they're like and she
and that's literally a quote from her where she said
that she disowns the movie but the only thing she
remembers from is the very large paycheck.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
And that's like kind of despicable to me in some
regard of like this is kind of what helped build
your career and open doors for you. Uh, And then
you're like no, I then then you know what if
you think that take that money that you were paid
to do this movie and give it to something important
instead being uh, instead of being like a like.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
A yeah, this on the money.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, like ungrateful for its ungrateful.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
The word was ungrateful grateful I think I.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Want to say ingrade, but like that's like just like
savage to be like, no, this is like I would
never if I was an actor. I was always would
have loved to have been an actor in some regard.
I'm a creative type, they say, And you know, I
would never like be like I shouldn't have done this.
It's it's things that like help you grow as a

(50:57):
person and develop your character in your career and stuff
like that. Right, So, like, you know, as much as
I hated the older episodes of Strange, we're podcast and
we're drunk and wasted and doing dumb stuff and saying
dumb jokes. Like without that, I don't we wouldn't be
a show, right, So kind of have to like embrace
what it is.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
There's so many little things in this movie as well
that I love, like to have a I don't know
if it's in the movie, if it was in one
of those special features where they talk about Matilda's dying
words or whatever she says, and it reminds me of
things like dead Side. I didn't kill those kids, but

(51:38):
it reminds me of like Dead Silence and a few
other kind of movies that give made that similar vibe
where she says, what I took before in kindness, I
will take forever in revenge. I don't know why, Okay,
it's like a really good line.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
For Garily, I can't remember who I was I was
talking to recently. I've never seen.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
He was.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
That's never seeing Dead Sounds. I was like, one of
the best, one of the best of the best. That
movie is quite good. If you haven't checked out our
deep dive, definitely check it out. But I even wrote
down like, you know, it's a good old nineties there's
rock in it, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I kind
of like that aspect of it. I'm like it was
like early two thousands, late nineties rock that was in

(52:20):
a fair amount of scenes within the movie, which and
like I said, if you don't understand it was like
to grow up in the nineties and a lot of
like eighties and even seventies, Like people from the seventies
and eighties will appreciate that too because they were maybe
taking the kids to this or you know, there's always
been diehard horror movie fans, especially like after what the

(52:40):
eighties produced, and then like seeing you know some of
these like it's kind of fun with that like that
rock that they bring into it. I was like, essentially,
this kid's just living with trauma and like nobody, nobody
really cared. They're like all making fun of him. He's
the kid that killed his mom, and it's just like
even though he's like been completely traumatized by this, and

(53:03):
then you know, everyone's like he's a terrible person, you
know what I mean. He left for a reason. He's
been traumatized in like hospitals his entire life because he
saw some sort of demonic like entity kill his mother,
you know what I mean. That would be frightening. And
the opening scene I think is pretty good. Like there's

(53:24):
like things that they could have changed that better or whatever.
Like I've said at numerous times, we got what we
got for what this is. It's still a fun film.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Yeah, Like I do think there's a lot of those
things like that. Barrasscene, I actually enjoyed that. I love
the idea that even though he's in a place like
that's really crowded, you can still kind of feel the
likeness of like the darkness. How important it is for
him to not be in the dark in his head
or like the idea that he has like this fucking
this bag full of flashlits all the time, and he's like,

(53:54):
I just like psychotic to the point of like and
I could see. Yeah, they read he wanted to play
on And it doesn't come across in the movie at all. Now, wait,
if you listen to the commentary while you're watching it,
then you kind of pick up on all the little
things when they pointed out. But if you just watch
it as just a general audience, it doesn't come across
at all. But like there was all those little things

(54:14):
in it where the audience as well as the characters
in the movie were supposed to be kind of looking
at him as like like even the scene where they
explained to Kalin, they're like, yeah, he spent like all
of his life in like mental hospitals and stuff. You're
supposed to be looking at him going, oh, I get it.
Now he's like somethings like schizophrenic, lunatic. That's like suffering,
like you said, from a traumatic experience, and he's now

(54:36):
he's manifesting that and maybe he's actually carrying out the murders,
but in his head it's it's that.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Would have been that would have played off way better,
Like my wife would have enjoyed that more because the
fact that it's like more of a psychological thriller aspect
to it, right, and even like the kid, the signing
that will always stick with me is the kid that
what's his name wants to save or whatever. He was
fairly creepy.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
He was very good. I actually wrote that down. I
said the performance of Lee Harmy, who plays Michael in
the movie, was very underrated and remind me an awful
lot of something like the sixth Sense.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
I thought it was that kid at one point when
I first started watching, is it that kid? And it's like, no,
it's not. But like he did a fairly good job
of just like it was believable for what like a
kid would It could have been way worse for him,
especially his age and his acting ability. For some reason,

(55:31):
I wrote down Larry Larry because like at one point,
I think he's like screaming for his like Jewish lawyer
friend or whatever. He's like like people, like he's freaking
out about his friend. There's like that there's some kind
of goofy scenes in this for sure, like even the
the idea of why they always do this thing of

(55:53):
like and they're like suck somebody off. That sounds real gay, but.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Like off of this as well, off.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
The camera where it's like when the guys that are
looking for him, I'm gonna beat you up, I'm gonfind
you Yeah, and then all of a sudden, he's like
he's like God, the the scene of her in the
tree is kind of creepy when yeah, if you would
have kept it kind of like that throughout the entire

(56:23):
film of just having it kind of semi show her
like just like like all of a sudden, she's a
little bit there. She's a little bit there, and it's
like up to the audience. Like my grandfather was like
into like horror and stuff like to some extent, uh,
the Rest in Peace or whatever. Right, He he liked
the things like Hitchcock and stuff like that because you

(56:45):
show enough where you can play psychologically with the person's
mind throughout the film, but exactly, but you're not showing
enough like he loved like House and Hot Hail, the
original stuff like that, and and like you know, ab
and Castelle, I've told you this before. And and that's
what kind of like then my mom even like she
was in the Friar thirteen, she like she's not even

(57:06):
in the horror anymore at all, But she's like someone
who went and saw fire at thirteen and theaters loved
horror movies as a youth. But I don't think I'll
ever lose that like she did, where I'm always of
like these movies and will continue to watch them. But
like you got to leave it someone up to the imagination,
like even like one of your favorite movies of all

(57:27):
time that we're definitely gonna do it, like like we'll
do a big maybe deep dive two hour live special
or something like that, but like the Blair Witch like
because I'd like to even do a watch along and
then do its own episode because I know how much
you love it, and that movie like did leave it
up to the audience a lot to like to figure
out what was going on and you and you can
do that in a really intelligent way rather than some

(57:49):
of the stuff that they've been doing.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Now, this had potential for that, and that thing actually
just before I forget that I think you're talking about
it just gets that same kill of like they just
stucked off scene. So what happened there was originally make
all the depths graphic, and they wanted to show like
Gore and like how better yeah, like how kind of

(58:11):
serious and scary she was. But then what happened, obviously
is when the studio said, nah, I think what we're
gonna do is I know that scripture is rated R,
but we're looking for audience.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
We want money.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
We want PG carden. So what you're gonna do when
it was all those kill sees, those really cool set pieces,
you have ready get rid of all them, right, and
everybody is just gonna die like this, Yeah, I know
that's that's literally just everybody's just gonna die like that.
You're gonna fly through window, you're gonna fly up into
a tree, you're gonna fly behind a bush, whatever, and
that's it done.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
It's so disappointing because like this thing, it just it
could be better, but for some reason, they always want
to do this thing of like, well, we need to
reach larger audiences and not gonna lie without this. Like
I don't even know, maybe I saw this in theaters.
I can't really pinpoint when I actually saw this movie,
because I was one of those kids that would go
to the movie theaters, uh to hit on chicks and

(59:05):
stuff like that. Our movie theater was in a mall,
so you could like go to like what they call
the Balkbarn, and then you'd like be able to get
candy and stuff like that, and you'd sneak it in
to the theaters because everything's kind of expensive. You can
get the candy you want to eat, and then you
and it was a lot cheaper, so you kind of
like hide in your coat or your bag or whatever
like that, and what are you looking at? Some sort
of Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
No, I was literally just thinking I heard that was
the weirdest thing ever. I literally just thought I seen
like what looked like smoke go across the top of
the toe screens. That's what's old Bazar. I was just thinking,
because you were just a few minutes ago, we're looking
at the green screen behind you, going I didn't touch that,
and I was literally just maybe it was my eyes,
but I was like, wow, that really spooked me out

(59:47):
to the point where I have goosewumps.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Weird. Maybe there's something to do with it. This movie's cursed.
Just letting nobody knows matter because it's like now like
I've been forgotten forever. Uh, you know, there's like there
are some memorable moments like I just there's no way
they sent the search party out for a grown man
missing for a couple of minutes. I know, all right, Yeah,
it's just like all of a sudden, it's two minutes

(01:00:10):
later and there's a bunch of cops and a bunch
of people from the bar or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Yeah, the original you're gonna waste.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Your time, I'd be like, fuck that guy. Man, I'm drinking,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Like the original point therey is he is we as
the audience, were supposed to know that everybody there suspected
that it was some sort of serial killer.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
So then all of a sudden, we're looking for the
one person that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
But then then it's like when you don't have any
of that explanation, it just looks like it's like, Okay,
a guy walks out of a bar and now there's
twenty five cops and I look down. Actually, the doctor
scene when they're talking about the sensory deprivation tank and
like the idea of the kid confronting the sphere of
the direk. I thought that was kind of interesting, but

(01:00:54):
I couldn't help but notice that the machine that they
were putting him in was actually an MRI machine, which,
upon further research, which was the original script, the kid
was going into an MRI machine, and the whole idea
was they were putting him into an MRI machine to
see did he have any sort of like crazy brain
damage or tumors or anything like that. And for some reason,

(01:01:15):
I don't know if it was like a studio executive
or someone was like, nah, make it a sensory deprivation
thing and make up a thing about like inject and
die into him or something as well, Yeah, just make
that up for some reason. Also for that has nothing
to do with anything, because the guys talking about it,

(01:01:36):
like we we actually really had no idea why that
was all changed, but we already had the m R
machine and also we just had to pretend that that
was else weird.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Man, I'm kind of disappointed with you things that they
did change. If there was another movie like that where
they put him in an m R I machine or
like something like that, like, is it is there a
new nightmare saying We're.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Like in the we've definitely uncovered so much of this though,
It's definitely a big trend in horror where like movies
that have the potential to be fucking brilliant just get ripped.
The power play executives, I did write down that I
like the scene where Kyla's in the cell and the
power to the town cuts out and like all the

(01:02:19):
thunder and lightning starts, and I thought that had a
really like classic kind of horror vibe.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
And just one of the scenes of like her, I'm
like they could have been better, Like it is rememorable
the porcelain mask to some extent, just because I remember
watching it when I was a kid, you know, and
how it was that PG thirteen vibe. Now if it
was R rated, it would have been a lot different.

(01:02:47):
And how she's kind of just like like like just
flailing through the screens. I don't know what the word,
but you know what I mean, Like she's kind of
just like why all of a sudden show up and
then you just see bits and pieces which they could
have done better than they kind of did.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Yeah, it's it's a weird one. This is a screen
tests things like their future effect or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
It's kind of crazy to think that all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Too much fun.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
You know what what, I kind of think you could
have used a real person though, I know right, that's
what I was in the check and there, like like
a bunch of makeup.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
I don't understand why they need to spend the money on.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
The like the idea for those things, while as they
wanted them suspended on wires over here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Yeah, it's lighter, I think that was the idea. But
what it would because it's lighter and it would be
able to like carry across the screen quicker faster. I
just like, there's part of me. It's like, I'm like,
even watching that was like, is that a real person?
I realized, Oh, it's a puppet, And I'm like, but
why and then why not stick with the original design?

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
A lot of money?

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
The amount of minded they just waste.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Oh yeah, I can't imagine how much money they wasted
on this, I had written down. I do think this
movie suffered severely from studio involvement, and it looks like
they were trying to play it right down the middle
and didn't go too much to either side, and it
just made it seem not overly creative in many ways, unfortunately,
which is really unfortunate. Considering a lot of the people
that were involved from an early stage seemed quite passionate

(01:04:52):
about the idea, Like, I mean, it's got a darkness
falls dark Horse Comics on a like a full prequel
comic about Matilda Dixon, and like the whole legend of
Matilda Dixon. One of the original scripts and the monster designs,
there were scenes shown the creature was like in another

(01:05:14):
dimension and she was in this like weird house that
was made of baby's teeth, and it was like, you know,
but it was all like bloody and shit that was
supposed to be really graphic. It wasn't just like teeth.
It was like, you know, like the root of the
fucking two and like all the scummy, rotten stuff, like
the dentists. So no, no, but yeah, look there's I

(01:05:42):
had written this down and something I think we've talked
about a lot already. Many people think that there's big
plot holes in the movie, But when I listened to
the writer's commentary, I found out that ninety nine percent
of these all actually made sense at one point in
the process, until multiple rewrites, multiple reshoots. I think they
actually went back like six or eight months after they

(01:06:04):
shot the initial movie and re shot scenes again and
like inserted them in so like they went back and
done reshoots like way after.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
That's where wherever. It's like, it's so crazy because then
the mixing up a lot of the the original product,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
I guess that's annoying anyone though that's like into movies
or maybe likes this movie as much as I do,
just for nostalgia or whatever. If you haven't got the
DVD or whatever, it's actually worth picking up, you'll probably
pick it up for a dollar. Like, there's ship tons
of extras. There's all the deleted scenes. There are two commentaries,
one with the writers and one with the filmmakers. There's

(01:06:46):
a seventeen minute making of documentary. There's the Legend of
Matilda Dixon documentary. There's storyboard comparisons, there's trailers, like there's
a ship ton of stuff in the extras, which is
something my love about them old school releases, And I
think that's why I'll always pick up cheap movies when
I see them in like a a second story.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
That's why I was trying to build up my collection again,
was going to like antique stores because I can get
like you know, like ten movies for like you know,
thirty bucks or something like that. Yes, right, And that's
why I do that. You have a huge collection and
I'm trying to.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Do and all that has come from like I see
people put stuff on the Facebook marketplace and like, oh,
I have a box of horror movies and I'm selling
for like twenty yours. I'll take them. And the reason
being was because I think it was something you said
a long time ago, where like what happens if they
just decide that a particular movie or whatever, or a

(01:07:41):
version of a movie, or a commentary track that they
don't like anymore or whatever, they just decide, oh, that's
just unavailable anywhere I know. So unless you have the
physical release, then that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Then think about something that we covered, which more got
released to my side of things, was No s Faratu, right, Like,
think about at one point they wanted to get rid
of that Bram Stoker's wife wanted it gone, and without
the people that already had it released in America, it

(01:08:13):
might have never seen the light of day. People wouldn't
even know really what it was or uh, you know
how infamous that movie really is as a silent one
of the first horror films really uh, to grace the
movie screens into freak audiences out and bring us into
the world of horror that we were in today. Uh,
they wanted to shut down. So I don't know, it's

(01:08:35):
so freaky, but there's some scene like some God, you're like,
Freddy Krueger, what the fuck is going on with that
shipway the the design that they originally wanted was way
more unique, especially at that time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Mm hmm, you know. And it's such a it's such
a change as well from you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Know that Japanese legend.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Now yeah, yeah, it does very much so, but it's
it's literally somebody must have sat down with stan Winston
Studios the and said, Okay, here's what we've already got done.
Now I want you to do the complete opposite. I
don't want to do any which you just don't. Don't
don't make that at all, make something completely different. And
you know what the craziest part is, they obviously got
so far along in the development process that they already

(01:09:25):
had like the stuff much half built, and the fact
that they signed contracts for McFarland Toys to make toy
and that's why when when McFarland released it. People couldn't
understand because it released in the line let's say it right,
and it had let's say it had like a Texas
chainsaw figure, a Freddy Krueger figure, and a Chucky figure,

(01:09:48):
and then it had this random figure of the tooth theory,
and people like, why is this in movie manixtra because
there's no movie called the too Orry that looks like that,
not realizing that it was supposed to be a darkness
falls the original type very.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
And already spreentd the time to make it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
He already had them molds done, and I think that
the studio just went, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
It makes more sense to make it like some sort
of you know, paranormal creature of like a tooth fairy
and that's what she embodies because of her death, right,
Like it kind of makes more sense than oh, well,
it's her into a witch. Man, it's making a witch.
Everyone loves witches, you know. That just seems like they
kind of did.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Yeah, which is strange.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Yeah, I enjoyed this. This is I thought we did
a good job. Like it's for what it is. It's
it's people will probably enjoy this, but it's only nostalgic.
If you remember what it was like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
To see that, you're probably definitely going to enjoy it
infinitely more if you have a memory of seeing it
back at the time or around the time. Just written down,
a movie definitely has a really really cool premise. It
feels like it has a high glass production value at
times and a really interesting villain. But it's just like
there's something always missing where I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Oh, my wife even said that the acting is subpar.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Very stranges. We they cast all Australian actors and ask
them to do American accents. The only two actors hire
the two leads, Kyle and Caitlin. They're the only two Americans.
The rest of them are all Australian.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Let's give the Aussie something, Just give him something.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
How many out of ten baby tooths? How many baby
tooths are you giving it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Okay, so I will say this is my first viewing,
I'll give you two. If this is my first viewing,
like I've never seen it, I would say like a
four and a half. Well, because I have a fond
memory of this movie and kind of remember when it
came out, and there was at the time when I
was really starting to get into horror movies. I was

(01:11:55):
either like, you know, ten eleven or a preteen kind
of thing like that. I would have been twelve when
this came out in theaters, so it's about a pre
like I'll give it. I'll give it a six point five.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
That's literally the score I was going to give it
based on like I already do, like stalgic. Yeah, like,
and I have to be somewhat Look, I could go, oh,
what nostalgia. I'll give it a fucking nine point five,
which is what my brain knowledge wants to do, because
every time I have nostalgia for horror or anything like that,
whether you know it could be teenage mutant, Ninja Turtles

(01:12:28):
or something that I know technically is not that good,
I instantly go ten out of ten because I remember
that when I was a kid and I watched my granddad.
I remember my dad brought me to the video store.
So I have to give it a ten out of ten.
But if I'm being realistic, probably a six point five
with nostalgia had I have never seen it before and
I'm watching it twenty two years. Yeah, I'm probably giving

(01:12:50):
it like a three or four because it's not very good. Overall,
and it just doesn't without maybe listening to something like
this or the commentary tracks on the DV, you're gonna
have no context as to what it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Could have been.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Yeah, And I feel like you'll sit there for the
entire thing, go why why maybe why does he have
scars or cuts on his face? And then doesn't? Why
does he do it? Why did they just leave the bar?
And now there's a search party? Why is why is
every looking at him?

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Word?

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Why did he go over and punch him in the
head or choke him or whatever he done? There's no context.
We don't know what any of that's about now.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
And that's like, you know, I don't know, maybe it
is it is, uh, always things could be. At a point,
I was gonna make Camory things. The things always be made,
you know that if they followed through with the original ideas,
and then we get these a lot. I can't remember.
I was gonna say something else, but I can't. It's

(01:13:47):
not I can't think of it now, but it is
the only reason some of these movies stick out to
me is because I remember, you know, there's those p
peak times when you're like a pre teen you kind
of remember seeing these elms and theaters, like I know
eventually you want to do that. What's that what we
call the last call or whatever, the or that you
have you checked the children or whatever. I remember seeing

(01:14:09):
that theaters that will stick with me and I haven't
seen that because I told you I'm not gonna watch
it until we cover it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
But I just have so much.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
I know, and it's like now you're like, it's terrible,
but it's like, I don't know, it's it's it's it's
not what you like when you're watching that stuff as
a young kid. It's it sits differently, like you know,
you show like a you show like a fifteen year
old kid and they've never seen Fast Thirteenth, like part three,
this is stupid. It's like I no, it was. It
was quite something. It's quite something when you were a kid,

(01:14:41):
you know. But yeah, I enjoyed this. I enjoy doing
some of these, especially movies that I either haven't seen
a long time or well it's kind of a special
place in my heart or like a memory, you know,
especially at this time, like you know, I was I
was born in nice ninety one, right, So like a
lot of these movies that you know, like late nineties,

(01:15:02):
early two thousands. They stuck out to me around that
time because there was movies even for like ninety two
or the eighties, like like like teeth or whatever, right,
but they would they were still in the public consciousness
of like horror, so you would search out these movie
franchises to some extent or things that just came out
just because you watched you know, maybe you like, you

(01:15:26):
watch three or four horror movies. You're like, man, I
like this as a young kid. You know, you're interested
by it, and then uh, and then it kind of
like leads into the passion aspect where you're like, oh,
I need to watch everything that has to do with horror.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Right, Yeah, there's just I don't know that It's like
you said earlier, I don't think that let ever go
away from me. I don't know if I'll ever lose
that flair for like leardy shit, nostalgic shit, not even
just with horror obviously horrors like my first book.

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
Yeah, yeah, like there's a.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Toise all that that I just remember. But yeah, we
appreciate everyone for listening. If you did make it to
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Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Whatever, I'm gonna try to see that Unicorn movie this week,
and I'm hoping.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
Oh yeah, Sam, actually I've seen.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Hoping. I want to. We have we have free tickets
that we need to get rid of or they're done
in April, so like we have to do them now
or it's over, and uh so I want my We're
we're like, oh, we could go see snow White for free,
and I'm I don't want to do that. No, thank you.
Oh man. I try to watch that movie Wicked and

(01:16:38):
I wanted to throw up. It's terrible. It's god awful.
So like you know, I'm gonna go. Hopefully we can
see the Unicorn movie. Look kind of fun, so I'm
I'm kind of excited for that, hopefully when you like
I wanted to a Mattinee earlier show. It will be
kind of fun to do and eats some popcorn. But
I'm excited. And uh, I have we have like for
all the fans out there, there's we're never not gonna
have ideas. I have a mill ideas. Even when we're

(01:17:01):
doing episodes you hear where I'm like, oh man, I
really want like I have so many ideas for stuff,
So just subscribe, like, and share it, and make sure
that you pay attention, you know, to what we're doing,
because if.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
You and definitely let us know what you think. Do
you think Darkness Fall deserves a spot among I guess
the cult Lost supernatural horrors of the early two thousands,
or do you think it's a Steven Pilot garbage. Let
us know in the comments below or reach out to
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