March 22, 2025 • 15 mins
Everyone is a leader. Perhaps, the leader is in the wrong position. Is this a possible reason the employee-employer doesn't align with each other?
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Time to take a coding break.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hi, and welcome back to the Coming Break podcast with
Tam Talk.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Here we're talking about all.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Things, the good, the bad, as well as the ugly
as it relates to the medical coding industry. So on
today's episode, I'm going to focus on leadership. Yes, the good,
the bad, as well as the ugly as it relates
or as it pertains to medical coding leadership. So I
am going to use my trusted friend, the Google AI to.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Kind of help help me get through this.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And so the question that was supposed is can anyone
be a leader?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Or can anyone be a medical coding leader?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Is there a certain or is there a specific educational
gr background or experience someone should have to become a leader.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
To To answer your question, is a yes as well
as a no.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And it also really depends on that particular organization or
that department and what their.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Needs and objectives are. But can anyone be a leader? Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Everyone is a leader? And I repeat that, yes, everyone
is a leader. There are different leadership styles and we
as followers may or may not align with a particular
leadership style. And again I rely on my trusted friend
and Google A. I just to kind of touch on
some of the leadership styles. And you know, so again
(01:35):
we all are leaders, but we just need to know
what type of leader or what type of leadership style
that we are portraying and what and as followers do
we fall in fall in line or are we aligned
with that particular leadership style.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You can have more than one leader foreign organization or
department or whatever the goal is or the or the
objective is for for that department or the organization, it
may require more.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Than one leadership leadership style.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And so the reason for that because again the leadership
styles they do very one style may be your strength,
but it may also be your weakness when it comes
to another aspect of being a leader. And so again
I just want to share some of the different styles
with you that may make or break a particular department
(02:33):
or medical cling department. So you may have a leader
who is very authoritary, excuse me, authoritarian or autocratic, which
means these are leaders who makes decisions independently with minimal
input from others, as in minimal input from their employees,
their staffs, their teammates or colleagues. So they're more so
(02:57):
focused on having control and having direct supers vision. Then
you may have the lives a fair leaders which again
they provide minimal guidance, allow on team members to make
their own decisions and take ownership as in they putting
the ball in your court. You are a leader again,
because everyone is a leader. I'm letting you lead yourself
(03:18):
and I'll just you know, step in it as necessary.
Then you have your transactional leader again, where this leader
is focusing on short term goals. They're using rewards and
punishments to motivate the performance. So for example, they say, okay,
I may give you some time off, or you may
get a bonus if you reach the productivity goal for
(03:39):
this particular.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Month or a quarter.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And then you have the servant leader, where their objective
is okay, they want to make sure that their team
members are and they're focused on excuse me. Leaders they
prioritize the needs of their team members and focus on
servant others to achieve the goals. And then you have
someone with the coaching leadership style.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So these leaders they.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Focused on developing individuals through guidance, mentoring, and feedback. So
again everyone is a leader and depending on your leadership
style will dictate how good of a leader you are.
And I'm going to go and record and say I'm
assuming that everyone.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Is a good leader, but they may be misplaced leaders.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Misplaced leaders like you may be a leader, or I
would say an authoritarian leader, but you may be placed
in a coaching position or a position that requires coaching
leadership style. And so again that's where your leadership and
your teammates or your employees or your coders that don't
(04:48):
align because you're placed in the wrong leadership capacity.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
And it doesn't mean that you shouldn't be in leadership.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It's just that you're we need you to be a
coaching leader, but you are more so of an autocratic
authoritarian leader, where you are direct and don't require a
lot of input from others. You're just there to supervise,
You're there to oversee, and we do need that because
there are some people who actually require someone to hold
(05:18):
their hands to ensure that they're getting the job, then
that they're meeting their goals, that they that they're there
like they need someone to I almost say I would
say direct or.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Give command or demand. I want to say demanding.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Demand is such a strong bad word, but you need
someone there to ensure that you're that you're going to
reach the goal, whereas coaching may be one where you
can kind of help develop and coach them through providing
guidance and feedback, mentoring, and and you know, you know,
getting that teammate or that coding employee.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
There to the goal. So it very it depends on
whether or not.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Again, if the individual is in the right capacity. And
again I keep saying everyone is a leader. Everyone is
a leader, and so sometimes that leadership may come through
like say, for example, if you're learning a new system, right,
or you're learning a new way of doing I don't
say a new way of doing coding, but you're adopting
(06:23):
the new coding, right.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So you may have.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Someone who's not even in a leadership capacity who may
step up and and provide culturing and provide training to
their fellow team members, and that again they're exhibiting their.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Leadership style their leadership traits, right. And then you may
have someone who is direct like we need to reach
this goal. Let's reach this goal. I'm gonna on your
neck up. But this is a good thing too.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
So it really depends again on what is required to
reach the goal or the objective of that particular organization
or of that particular coding department at that particular time.
So again, so to answer your question, can anyone be
a leader?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
What's required? I would say the requirement is knowing what your.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Leadership style is and are you in the right position
or the right leadership position to perform that style or
to succeed or excel at that particular leadership style. So yeah,
So as far as educational background, again, it's really going
to depend on the organization or the department than their
(07:40):
needs and what they're looking for.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I like, I'm going to use myself as an example.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So back in the day when I was in leadership,
I only had an associate's degree. I only had an
associates degree. When I was a leader, I was I
was like, I had employees that I oversaw. I you know,
I was in the leadership meetings and all that. So
(08:08):
and I just had an associates degree.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Or maybe I had a bachelor's I had an associates degree.
I had an associates degree, I remember. So it was
so I had an.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Associates degree, but I also had experience.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So that's the other thing I had.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It had the experience and the particular thing that I
was managing. So what what what I guess amount or
years of experience should you have. Again, it all depends
on the organization or the coding department in which you
are trying to become a leader or just trying to
become a colder, And it really depends on that. And
(08:47):
with I would say now that that.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Was like years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Now we're here, and so were those requirements may or
may have changed.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I know they changed, and so it depends. But definitely.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Educational background, experience.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And then it also has a l somewhat to do
with who you know. Do you know people right you?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Sometimes you may know someone who can put in a
good word for you. They know your character, they can
speak to your character, they can speak to your experience,
they can speak to your leadership style, and so they
put that word into you and for you, and then
you're there because I know that today there are individuals
who are in leadership who don't hold the educational background,
(09:32):
who don't hold the experience. And then I also know
some uh people who's will make great leaders because they
do hold the educational i as well as the experience
experience in background to become a really good leader.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
But they may not know I would.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Say the person that they should know other people they
should know because they may have they may light the
networking skills to you know, communicate with the individual who
may decide to hire them.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
They may have some other issues or other things.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
That are lacking that will keep them from being a
success as a leader.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
But again, everyone is a leader.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It just takes the right person to I would say,
to pull it out of you or to put you
in the right position so that you can succeed as
a leader. I'm trying not to go with the whole
you know, race thing or whatever, because I mean, we
(10:33):
you know, I've heard gossip talk like, okay, individuals were
promoted because of their ethnicity, or they were promoted because of.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Who they know or whatever and so, and this is true.
We do have.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Situations and scenarios such as that. Yes, we do have that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And is it fair.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
No, it is not fair, because again, there are some
great individuals who do exhibit great leadership. They will be
made great leaders for their team, for their teammates. Again,
and it really depends on the style and then what again,
what that particular organization is looking.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
For to lead a particular task or to reach your goal.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Now, I'm gonna go and flip the coin and look
at it on the other side. Right, sometimes that could
be God trying to block you from leading. Right, Sometimes
that that may be God trying to block you from leading.
And I say this like, we may vent. We may
get frustrated because maybe we don't like our leader or
(11:42):
there we don't like their leadership style. And it could
be you don't know what that individual is doing or
what they have what they did to become a leader,
and they may be doing some unethical things to hold
a position. They may lack integrity, they may do a
lot of things that that may not align to your character,
(12:02):
that may not align to your energy, your spirit, and
what you stand for as a leader. And so we
don't know what they are doing or what they have
done to get that position.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
And so that could be God's blocking you or protecting
you and your energy and.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Your character from unethical behavior on ethical practices. Because at
the end of the day, when things do fault I
guess come to light or fall down, it's not on you.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Because you're not in the position as a leader. It's
going to go to the leaders.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You are an employee, and as an employee, you're being
guided by that leader. So technically that won't be your fault.
You know, again that is God protecting you from something.
And yes, you may hold the educational background, you may
hold the experience, you may hold a lot of things
(12:57):
that that automatically qualifies you to be a leader. But
again it goes back to what that organization or that
department requires to reach their particular goal, such as productivity goal.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
They may need someone.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
To be a direct or authoritarian leader because they're trying
to reach a goals. Again, we're into this productivity phase era,
and not just.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
In coding, but just in general. So you need someone who's.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Gonna push you, push and prought you to reach the goal, right,
productivity goal.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And yeah, you know we don't like it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
You know, as an employee, we may not you know,
our leadership style kicks in and that may not be
our leadership style. So we take issue or we aren't
aligned with that particular styles as for us, and so
we constantly we're looking for roles where we can become
(13:56):
a leader or where we can have peace or align
with the leadership style that that that works for us.
And I mean, that's okay if that's what you do.
So these are things that you will need to look
at one, you know, look at the leadership style to
look at it from an an ethicore or unethical or
(14:18):
integrity pers uh perspective. Perhaps that individual is doing or
has done something to get that role or that title
and that's and may be unethical or or they may
lack integrity for that role, and that is God's way
of protecting you from being in that position when the
dost settles right, or it could be you know, you
(14:42):
just again you have to find the correct leadership style
that works for you so that you can become a success.
So again the question was can anyone be a leader
any way? Yes, anyone can become a leader. Everyone is
a leader. We just have a different leadership style and
those styles are are are gonna transform based on our experience,
(15:04):
our journey, our knowledge, our education and therefore and and
let's say therefore and much more so again, don't be discouraged.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Again. You're gonna find your your role, whether.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
That's gonna be a leader in an organization or you
may be a leader in your own organization. But again,
we all have leadership styles and we all are leaders.
So that's all that I have for this coding break.
So again, as always, code on. So until next time,
I'll see you the next coding break.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Thanks
Time to take a coding break.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hi, and welcome back to the Coming Break podcast with
Tam Talk.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Here we're talking about all.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Things, the good, the bad, as well as the ugly
as it relates to the medical coding industry. So on
today's episode, I'm going to focus on leadership. Yes, the good,
the bad, as well as the ugly as it relates
or as it pertains to medical coding leadership. So I
am going to use my trusted friend, the Google AI to.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Kind of help help me get through this.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And so the question that was supposed is can anyone
be a leader?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Or can anyone be a medical coding leader?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Is there a certain or is there a specific educational
gr background or experience someone should have to become a leader.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
To To answer your question, is a yes as well
as a no.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And it also really depends on that particular organization or
that department and what their.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Needs and objectives are. But can anyone be a leader? Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Everyone is a leader? And I repeat that, yes, everyone
is a leader. There are different leadership styles and we
as followers may or may not align with a particular
leadership style. And again I rely on my trusted friend
and Google A. I just to kind of touch on
some of the leadership styles. And you know, so again
(01:35):
we all are leaders, but we just need to know
what type of leader or what type of leadership style
that we are portraying and what and as followers do
we fall in fall in line or are we aligned
with that particular leadership style.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You can have more than one leader foreign organization or
department or whatever the goal is or the or the
objective is for for that department or the organization, it
may require more.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Than one leadership leadership style.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And so the reason for that because again the leadership
styles they do very one style may be your strength,
but it may also be your weakness when it comes
to another aspect of being a leader. And so again
I just want to share some of the different styles
with you that may make or break a particular department
(02:33):
or medical cling department. So you may have a leader
who is very authoritary, excuse me, authoritarian or autocratic, which
means these are leaders who makes decisions independently with minimal
input from others, as in minimal input from their employees,
their staffs, their teammates or colleagues. So they're more so
(02:57):
focused on having control and having direct supers vision. Then
you may have the lives a fair leaders which again
they provide minimal guidance, allow on team members to make
their own decisions and take ownership as in they putting
the ball in your court. You are a leader again,
because everyone is a leader. I'm letting you lead yourself
(03:18):
and I'll just you know, step in it as necessary.
Then you have your transactional leader again, where this leader
is focusing on short term goals. They're using rewards and
punishments to motivate the performance. So for example, they say, okay,
I may give you some time off, or you may
get a bonus if you reach the productivity goal for
(03:39):
this particular.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Month or a quarter.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
And then you have the servant leader, where their objective
is okay, they want to make sure that their team
members are and they're focused on excuse me. Leaders they
prioritize the needs of their team members and focus on
servant others to achieve the goals. And then you have
someone with the coaching leadership style.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So these leaders they.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Focused on developing individuals through guidance, mentoring, and feedback. So
again everyone is a leader and depending on your leadership
style will dictate how good of a leader you are.
And I'm going to go and record and say I'm
assuming that everyone.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Is a good leader, but they may be misplaced leaders.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Misplaced leaders like you may be a leader, or I
would say an authoritarian leader, but you may be placed
in a coaching position or a position that requires coaching
leadership style. And so again that's where your leadership and
your teammates or your employees or your coders that don't
(04:48):
align because you're placed in the wrong leadership capacity.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
And it doesn't mean that you shouldn't be in leadership.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It's just that you're we need you to be a
coaching leader, but you are more so of an autocratic
authoritarian leader, where you are direct and don't require a
lot of input from others. You're just there to supervise,
You're there to oversee, and we do need that because
there are some people who actually require someone to hold
(05:18):
their hands to ensure that they're getting the job, then
that they're meeting their goals, that they that they're there
like they need someone to I almost say I would
say direct or.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Give command or demand. I want to say demanding.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Demand is such a strong bad word, but you need
someone there to ensure that you're that you're going to
reach the goal, whereas coaching may be one where you
can kind of help develop and coach them through providing
guidance and feedback, mentoring, and and you know, you know,
getting that teammate or that coding employee.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
There to the goal. So it very it depends on
whether or not.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Again, if the individual is in the right capacity. And
again I keep saying everyone is a leader. Everyone is
a leader, and so sometimes that leadership may come through
like say, for example, if you're learning a new system, right,
or you're learning a new way of doing I don't
say a new way of doing coding, but you're adopting
(06:23):
the new coding, right.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So you may have.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Someone who's not even in a leadership capacity who may
step up and and provide culturing and provide training to
their fellow team members, and that again they're exhibiting their.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Leadership style their leadership traits, right. And then you may
have someone who is direct like we need to reach
this goal. Let's reach this goal. I'm gonna on your
neck up. But this is a good thing too.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
So it really depends again on what is required to
reach the goal or the objective of that particular organization
or of that particular coding department at that particular time.
So again, so to answer your question, can anyone be
a leader?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
What's required? I would say the requirement is knowing what your.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Leadership style is and are you in the right position
or the right leadership position to perform that style or
to succeed or excel at that particular leadership style. So yeah,
So as far as educational background, again, it's really going
to depend on the organization or the department than their
(07:40):
needs and what they're looking for.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I like, I'm going to use myself as an example.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
So back in the day when I was in leadership,
I only had an associate's degree. I only had an
associates degree. When I was a leader, I was I
was like, I had employees that I oversaw. I you know,
I was in the leadership meetings and all that. So
(08:08):
and I just had an associates degree.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Or maybe I had a bachelor's I had an associates degree.
I had an associates degree, I remember. So it was
so I had an.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Associates degree, but I also had experience.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So that's the other thing I had.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It had the experience and the particular thing that I
was managing. So what what what I guess amount or
years of experience should you have. Again, it all depends
on the organization or the coding department in which you
are trying to become a leader or just trying to
become a colder, And it really depends on that. And
(08:47):
with I would say now that that.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Was like years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Now we're here, and so were those requirements may or
may have changed.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I know they changed, and so it depends. But definitely.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Educational background, experience.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And then it also has a l somewhat to do
with who you know. Do you know people right you?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Sometimes you may know someone who can put in a
good word for you. They know your character, they can
speak to your character, they can speak to your experience,
they can speak to your leadership style, and so they
put that word into you and for you, and then
you're there because I know that today there are individuals
who are in leadership who don't hold the educational background,
(09:32):
who don't hold the experience. And then I also know
some uh people who's will make great leaders because they
do hold the educational i as well as the experience
experience in background to become a really good leader.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
But they may not know I would.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Say the person that they should know other people they
should know because they may have they may light the
networking skills to you know, communicate with the individual who
may decide to hire them.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
They may have some other issues or other things.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
That are lacking that will keep them from being a
success as a leader.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
But again, everyone is a leader.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It just takes the right person to I would say,
to pull it out of you or to put you
in the right position so that you can succeed as
a leader. I'm trying not to go with the whole
you know, race thing or whatever, because I mean, we
(10:33):
you know, I've heard gossip talk like, okay, individuals were
promoted because of their ethnicity, or they were promoted because of.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Who they know or whatever and so, and this is true.
We do have.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Situations and scenarios such as that. Yes, we do have that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And is it fair.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
No, it is not fair, because again, there are some
great individuals who do exhibit great leadership. They will be
made great leaders for their team, for their teammates. Again,
and it really depends on the style and then what again,
what that particular organization is looking.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
For to lead a particular task or to reach your goal.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Now, I'm gonna go and flip the coin and look
at it on the other side. Right, sometimes that could
be God trying to block you from leading. Right, Sometimes
that that may be God trying to block you from leading.
And I say this like, we may vent. We may
get frustrated because maybe we don't like our leader or
(11:42):
there we don't like their leadership style. And it could
be you don't know what that individual is doing or
what they have what they did to become a leader,
and they may be doing some unethical things to hold
a position. They may lack integrity, they may do a
lot of things that that may not align to your character,
(12:02):
that may not align to your energy, your spirit, and
what you stand for as a leader. And so we
don't know what they are doing or what they have
done to get that position.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
And so that could be God's blocking you or protecting
you and your energy and.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Your character from unethical behavior on ethical practices. Because at
the end of the day, when things do fault I
guess come to light or fall down, it's not on you.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Because you're not in the position as a leader. It's
going to go to the leaders.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You are an employee, and as an employee, you're being
guided by that leader. So technically that won't be your fault.
You know, again that is God protecting you from something.
And yes, you may hold the educational background, you may
hold the experience, you may hold a lot of things
(12:57):
that that automatically qualifies you to be a leader. But
again it goes back to what that organization or that
department requires to reach their particular goal, such as productivity goal.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
They may need someone.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
To be a direct or authoritarian leader because they're trying
to reach a goals. Again, we're into this productivity phase era,
and not just.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
In coding, but just in general. So you need someone who's.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Gonna push you, push and prought you to reach the goal, right,
productivity goal.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And yeah, you know we don't like it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
You know, as an employee, we may not you know,
our leadership style kicks in and that may not be
our leadership style. So we take issue or we aren't
aligned with that particular styles as for us, and so
we constantly we're looking for roles where we can become
(13:56):
a leader or where we can have peace or align
with the leadership style that that that works for us.
And I mean, that's okay if that's what you do.
So these are things that you will need to look
at one, you know, look at the leadership style to
look at it from an an ethicore or unethical or
(14:18):
integrity pers uh perspective. Perhaps that individual is doing or
has done something to get that role or that title
and that's and may be unethical or or they may
lack integrity for that role, and that is God's way
of protecting you from being in that position when the
dost settles right, or it could be you know, you
(14:42):
just again you have to find the correct leadership style
that works for you so that you can become a success.
So again the question was can anyone be a leader
any way? Yes, anyone can become a leader. Everyone is
a leader. We just have a different leadership style and
those styles are are are gonna transform based on our experience,
(15:04):
our journey, our knowledge, our education and therefore and and
let's say therefore and much more so again, don't be discouraged.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Again. You're gonna find your your role, whether.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
That's gonna be a leader in an organization or you
may be a leader in your own organization. But again,
we all have leadership styles and we all are leaders.
So that's all that I have for this coding break.
So again, as always, code on. So until next time,
I'll see you the next coding break.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Thanks
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